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Mar 21 06:37:15 <djshotglass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/260978920665?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 probably as cheap as it gets eh?
Mar 21 08:16:20 <Riddell> is there really no mailing list to discuss arm issues on?
Mar 21 09:46:28 <lilstevie> Riddell, there is launchpad
Mar 21 09:47:12 <Riddell> lilstevie: mm I know, is there a part of launchpad to discuss arm issues?
Mar 21 09:48:02 <lilstevie> arm issues?
Mar 21 09:48:13 <lilstevie> normally it would be issues with x package
Mar 21 09:48:18 <lilstevie> for any supported arch
Mar 21 09:48:39 <Riddell> well that's not the case I have and there are plenty of other instances where it won't be the case
Mar 21 09:48:53 <Riddell> the existance of an ubuntu server arm list proves that
Mar 21 09:48:56 <lilstevie> so say you had an issue with chromium-browser you would comment against that
Mar 21 09:49:03 <Riddell> I don't have an issue with a package
Mar 21 09:49:30 <lilstevie> what kind of issue is it?
Mar 21 09:51:45 <Riddell> one with arm
Mar 21 09:52:11 <Riddell> really I've tried debugging it on irc more than once before, now I need a mailing list
Mar 21 09:52:21 <suihkulokki> ubuntu-server-arm lists appears to have no traffic
Mar 21 09:52:55 <Riddell> two dysfunctional communities does not a functional community make :)
Mar 21 09:53:31 <suihkulokki> I wonder why anyone bothered opening such a limited-scope mailing lsit
Mar 21 10:07:28 <Riddell> suihkulokki: because of people like me who have questions about arm
Mar 21 10:09:17 <suihkulokki> Riddell: seems like you have got off on the wrong foot today
Mar 21 10:09:39 <suihkulokki> I was just wondering why ubuntu-server-arm rather than say ubuntu-arm
Mar 21 10:10:05 <Riddell> suihkulokki: oh I've been battling arm for two or three weeks now :)
Mar 21 10:10:18 <Riddell> suihkulokki: yes renaming it would be very sensible
Mar 21 10:12:33 <suihkulokki> Riddell: meanwhile, I suspect the list doesn't have many readers so I guess your best bet (if indeed you can't pin your problem to a package) is to blog about it :P
Mar 21 10:12:52 <Riddell> done that already :)
Mar 21 10:13:14 <suihkulokki> oh
Mar 21 15:01:05 <prpplague> GrueMaster: is there a recent "non-unity" ubuntu release for panda?
Mar 21 15:01:18 <ogra_> ubuntu-server
Mar 21 15:01:21 <GrueMaster> Ubuntu-server.
Mar 21 15:01:54 <prpplague> that uses the gnome2 desktop?
Mar 21 15:02:11 <ogra_> gnome2 is dead upstream
Mar 21 15:02:36 <ogra_> ubuntu-server offers you a task selection at the end of the install
Mar 21 15:02:40 <prpplague> ogra_: what does the ubuntu-server edition use instead of unity?
Mar 21 15:02:43 <ogra_> you can pick other desktops there
Mar 21 15:02:46 <prpplague> ahh
Mar 21 15:02:54 <ogra_> server by default doesnt us a desktop
Mar 21 15:03:07 <prpplague> ahhh
Mar 21 15:03:12 <ogra_> but it lets you select one....
Mar 21 15:03:26 <prpplague> ogra_: ahh ok, i'll have a look
Mar 21 15:03:28 <ogra_> alternatively install desktop and install another desktop on it
Mar 21 15:03:39 <ogra_> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
Mar 21 15:03:45 <ogra_> or xubuntu-desktop
Mar 21 15:04:00 <prpplague> yea
Mar 21 15:04:14 <prpplague> probably stick to an 11 install.... bummer
Mar 21 15:04:17 <ogra_> (note, the server install completely runs on serial)
Mar 21 15:04:56 <prpplague> no worries there for me
Mar 21 15:05:23 <ogra_> sure, just wanted to mention it ... since the desktop one doesnt enable serial at all (after u-boot)
Mar 21 15:05:24 <prpplague> ogra_: are the x86 installs the same?
Mar 21 15:05:28 <ogra_> no
Mar 21 15:05:38 <ogra_> well, content wise they are
Mar 21 15:05:47 <ogra_> the installation is completely different
Mar 21 15:05:52 <prpplague> ogra_: right, that was my vague question, hehe
Mar 21 15:06:07 <ogra_> right, with 12.04 there is only unity on the desktop images
Mar 21 15:06:22 <ogra_> though for x86 there are xubuntu,kubuntu and lubuntu images
Mar 21 15:06:28 <prpplague> thats a real shame
Mar 21 15:06:44 <ogra_> as well as ubuntu-studio and mythbuntu
Mar 21 15:06:59 <ogra_> why is that a shame ? we always only shipped the default desktop
Mar 21 15:07:29 <prpplague> yea, just unity and i don't get along
Mar 21 15:07:32 <ogra_> its not like ubuntu changed that much in this regard
Mar 21 15:07:56 <ogra_> (since CDs didnt magically grow over 800M... )
Mar 21 15:08:14 <suihkulokki> CDs are a lame excuse on arm where nobody uses CDs :)
Mar 21 15:08:24 <prpplague> ogra_: yea, just the choice of unity is my issue. but that is just me
Mar 21 15:08:28 <ogra_> suihkulokki, i didnt refer to arm above :)
Mar 21 15:08:38 <ogra_> prpplague, nah. not just you
Mar 21 15:08:57 * ogra_ gets along pretty well with unity2d but really bad with unity
Mar 21 15:10:00 * prpplague needs to clean his work area
Mar 21 18:28:59 <rsalveti> ogra_: did you have time to look at the sgx packages?
Mar 21 18:29:30 <ogra_> rsalveti, no, still busy getting oem-config preseeding to work, they are next on the list though
Mar 21 18:29:48 <rsalveti> ogra_: great, meanwhile I'm trying to fix clutter
Mar 21 18:29:53 <rsalveti> to unblock the arm images
Mar 21 18:30:03 <ogra_> heh, yeah, i saw
Mar 21 18:32:04 <pbuckley> *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'
Mar 21 18:32:13 <pbuckley> after this mornings apt-get dist-upgrade
Mar 21 19:27:50 <gildean> pbuckley: close down open terminals and open them up again
Mar 21 19:30:12 <gildean> iirc the error comes from an updated link and is corrected when open terminals are closed and the new version is started
Mar 21 20:06:29 <highvoltage> hi! ubuntu-12.04-beta1-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap4.img should work on a pandaboard right?
Mar 21 20:07:16 <ogra_> img.gz ... but yeah
Mar 21 20:07:21 <highvoltage> (I just get a black screen, where it works fine with a 11.10 armel desktop image)
Mar 21 20:08:09 <ogra_> do you know what board revision you have there ?
Mar 21 20:08:34 <ogra_> we deinitely tested on panda ES and panda A1 and A2
Mar 21 20:08:34 <highvoltage> Pandaboard ES
Mar 21 20:09:06 <ogra_> did you try the "other" HDMI port ? :)
Mar 21 20:09:26 <ogra_> iirc the graphics driver changed, might be that you need to use the DVI port now
Mar 21 20:09:33 <highvoltage> it's on the one marked DVI (since I'm susing it with a DVI adaptor)
Mar 21 20:09:37 <highvoltage> let me try the other one...
Mar 21 20:10:00 <GrueMaster> ogra_: No, hdmi port (closest to the USB/Mic ports) should be fine.
Mar 21 20:10:11 <GrueMaster> That would be it.  Switch ports.
Mar 21 20:10:45 <GrueMaster> Only diff is that the HDMI port is dvi-0 and has digital audio signals.
Mar 21 20:10:47 <highvoltage> indeed, I switched to the other one and it works :)
Mar 21 20:11:09 <GrueMaster> Excellent.
Mar 21 20:11:46 <highvoltage> with 11.10 it only worked on the other one.
Mar 21 20:12:17 * highvoltage wonders if update-manager can plug out a cable and plug it into another port :p
Mar 21 20:13:16 <ogra_> highvoltage, sure, but you need to buy the HW extension in the canonical shop
Mar 21 20:14:07 <highvoltage> I'll look out for it! I hope it has unnecessaryly elaborate robotic arms
Mar 21 20:14:12 <ogra_> it comes with a free bumper sticker even !
Mar 21 20:14:37 * highvoltage is afraid to ask what it says
Mar 21 20:15:14 * ogra_ isnt that creative anymore after a 11h day (that still has 2h to go)
Mar 21 20:16:09 <highvoltage> (same here, I was close to getting to a "I ♥..." something about sabdfl but my brain can't formulate funny anymore
Mar 21 20:16:30 <highvoltage> (at least it can still do unicode)
Mar 21 20:16:51 <ogra_> heh, more than i can :)
Mar 21 20:33:04 <highvoltage> what's in the server image that makes it so much bigger than the desktop one?
Mar 21 20:34:30 <GrueMaster> Lots of preseeded packages for server installation.
Mar 21 20:34:49 <GrueMaster> So that you don't need to install them from the net.
Mar 21 20:35:01 <GrueMaster> (in theory)
Mar 21 20:36:02 <highvoltage> ah
Mar 21 20:42:25 <pbuckley> its to bad in unity when you click the ubuntu logo in the upper left hand corner and you get that black search box pop up that when i type in a url like afp://bobs_fileshare/jokes or smb://janes/pics it doesnt take me to the network file share..
Mar 21 20:57:09 <highvoltage> ogra_: when I do an apt-get autoremove after my pandaboard is installed, it removes dpkg-repack, apt-clone, libdebian-installer4 and a few other things that doesn't quite seem like they belong in the final installation
Mar 21 20:57:18 <highvoltage> ogra_: am I mistaken or should I file a bug for that?
Mar 21 20:57:34 <ogra_> yeah, file a bug
Mar 21 23:00:12 <dannf> infinity: my f-k branch is now updated w/ f-k-i changes for highbank
Mar 21 23:25:48 <zma> How to get usb networking on Ubuntu 11.10? If I try ordinary steps, I get error that there is no such interface as usb0.
Mar 21 23:27:22 <zma> By ordinary I mean I make sure modules cdc_ether and usbnet are loaded, make entry to /etc/network/interfaces for usb0 and then /etc/init.d/networking restart
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