**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 26 02:59:58 2012 Mar 26 03:02:32 when is memory blacklisting done? Mar 26 03:03:36 actually I guess I should find the routine that parses the command line Mar 26 03:20:07 infinity, this may be viable Mar 26 03:21:48 infinity, it looks like the command line is parsed before mtype is processed Mar 26 03:22:10 so using that you could add something like mtype= and patch it Mar 26 04:00:18 infinity, I guess the biggest question right now is how many tegra devices do we have Mar 26 04:00:27 and how many mtypes Mar 26 04:01:10 cause ac100 is harmony mtype, tf101 is ventana, and tf201 is cardhu Mar 26 04:15:02 can someone help me get ubuntu to boot on my beaglebone? i make an sdcard with the premade 11.10 image and looking at screen i am stuck on "PHY 0:01 not found" and it won't go any farther Mar 26 04:28:44 lilstevie: As long as they don't have any mutually exclusive drivers, then, this may be entirely viable. Mar 26 04:29:19 infinity, well thats where we could probably hack around a bit Mar 26 04:29:23 student_needing_: You might want to try a 12.04 omap image. Mar 26 04:29:40 student_needing_: Though I don't have a Beaglebone, so I can't be much help. Mar 26 04:29:52 try to make it a little more modular Mar 26 04:30:15 i can try out the new image, didn't know how stable it is though Mar 26 04:31:10 student_needing_: In general, I'm happier with precise than with oneiric. And this is a good time to avoid churn, as we're in a beta freeze, so the most recent dailies are fairly sane. Mar 26 04:31:46 sounds good, downloading that image right now Mar 26 04:45:20 one other question about ubuntu on the beaglebone, does it have access to the gpio pins like angstrom would, being able to read and set values on them? is it the same process as angstrom? Mar 26 04:58:45 student_needing_: here's my notes on the BeagleBone: http://juju.net.nz/michaelh/notes/bone.html Mar 26 05:36:05 I have a PHP weenie who is currently running PHP lucene and OOMing the resources he has been allocated. Mar 26 05:36:33 He wants to migrate to "solr", but AFAICT that needs a full JVM *and* tomcat on top of that, so I'm not convinced it'll be much of a win. Mar 26 05:36:39 Oops, this isn't #ubuntu-server Mar 26 05:36:46 lol' Mar 26 05:52:52 so im still trying to boot my beaglebone into ubuntu and im running into a lot of trouble Mar 26 05:53:46 right now on /dev/ttyUSB0 when i press a key it tries to start up ubuntu on /dev/ttyUSB1 (i'm using screen into both) but always fails, gets stuck at "PHY 0:01 not found" Mar 26 05:54:35 now my /dev/ttyUSB1 has a login prompt for Ubuntu precise but doesn't respond to keystrokes, only /dev/ttyUSB0 responds to keystrokes Mar 26 05:56:29 i also just saw on /dev/ttyUSB1 that i get this error a little before the other error - "init: ureadahead main process (176) terminated with status 5" Mar 26 10:32:08 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/03/26/ubuntu-12-04-precise-and-cross-compilation-of-arm-kernels/ - refreshed instructions for precise Mar 26 10:36:17 hrw: ah nice Mar 26 10:37:35 hrw: does dpkg-buildpackage in this context accept a local .config, or does it have to be added to some patchset before? Mar 26 10:39:07 hrw, you should add a step "make your changes here" or some such, i doubt anyone will just rtebuild the kernel package for fun without making any changes Mar 26 10:39:55 ogra_: thats the consequence ;) Mar 26 10:39:57 ogra_: that part is left for reader. I do not remember when last time I understood how ubuntu kernels are maintained Mar 26 10:40:18 I prefer 'make uImage modules -j44' Mar 26 10:40:19 LetoThe2nd, fakeroot debian/rules editconfigs; dpkg-builpackage -b -aarmhf Mar 26 10:40:31 ogra_: *note* Mar 26 10:40:46 ogra_: feel free to add comment ;) Mar 26 10:40:57 (that brings up menuconfig with the configs from the debian dir) Mar 26 10:41:05 * suihkulokki finds it annoying how debian/ubuntu kernels make a simple kernel build process very complicated Mar 26 10:41:15 although I understand why it ends up being so complex Mar 26 10:41:19 suihkulokki, how is that complicated ? Mar 26 10:42:27 ogra_: providing own kernel config needs more work then it is worth? Mar 26 10:42:28 same here, given the addition from ogra i see no more complexity than in a manual biuld. Mar 26 10:42:33 fakeroot debian/rules editconfigs; dpkg-builpackage -b -aarmhf .... vs. .... make menuconfig; make ... i dont see much difference apart from the convenience of having a package with the first one (which also brongs the proper postinst handling for flash-kernel etc) Mar 26 10:43:00 *brings Mar 26 10:43:04 flash-kernel... I hope that it will die ugly death sooner the later Mar 26 10:43:13 it never will (sadly) Mar 26 10:43:21 but it will get better in 12.10 Mar 26 10:44:04 well, fsvo never ... once we have arm support in grub it wont be flash-kernel but update-grub ;) Mar 26 10:44:12 finally rewrite? Mar 26 10:44:16 yeah Mar 26 10:44:32 its already in debian testing ... but needs some massive changes for ubuntu Mar 26 10:44:35 ogra_: for me it can be ubmaumba even as long as it works the same on each machine Mar 26 10:44:53 thats why i say grub ;) Mar 26 10:45:22 and that on mx53 it cares of uImage/uInitrd but not boot.scr which it cares of on omap3 with saying 'not supported' on pandaboard at same time Mar 26 10:45:46 well, get the venros on UEFI and you wont have these probs ;) Mar 26 10:45:51 *vendors Mar 26 10:46:16 then we'll have all the problems we can read about in matthew garrets blog Mar 26 10:46:17 ya! Mar 26 10:46:41 indeed, a new system introduces new issues Mar 26 10:47:07 but it wont differ that much from x86 anymore, will be easier to adapt for people Mar 26 10:56:34 is there any new documentation on building packages for kernel Mar 26 15:11:18 janimo`: Question on mongodb. There is no arm build, and I don't see in launchpad where arm is even enabled for it. Can you check that? Mar 26 15:17:14 GrueMaster, I have been working on mongo/arm on and off for the past weeks Mar 26 15:17:23 trying to make and send patches upstream Mar 26 15:17:35 ok. Mar 26 15:18:01 at the moment there's no ARM pkg enabled - although I consider adding my WIP to Precise to get the arm binaries rolling at least, and maybe the finishing touches as SRU Mar 26 15:18:09 GrueMaster, has it come up in server talks? Mar 26 15:18:35 Yes. Some of the tests we are working on run on mongodb apparently. Mar 26 15:19:00 ok, I'll upload my changes these days - but mongo on ARM will FTBFS due to failed tests Mar 26 15:19:11 anyway good to know there is interest I'll boost the prio Mar 26 15:20:45 Yea, I just double-checked. There is interest, but no rush. Mar 26 15:34:02 how... how do you change font settings in 12.04? Mar 26 15:34:52 specifically, need to see if subpixel AA is on, and if so, disable it. Mar 26 15:56:47 steev, i dont think you easily can switch that around anymore (gnome upstream dropped it), you can switch the fontsize in the acceesibility settings though Mar 26 16:11:22 ogra_: hm, okay Mar 26 16:12:36 ogra_: well in gnome3, you can use gnome-tweak-tool, would the same work in unity? Mar 26 16:12:55 no idea, try it :) Mar 26 17:47:26 ogra_: nope, gnome-tweak-tool requires gnome-shell 3.3.2 which won't be installed Mar 26 18:02:06 blargh Mar 26 18:02:15 no gnome-tweak-tool, and no dconf-editor Mar 26 18:17:03 ogra_: okay, looks like i can do it manually with gsettings, would be nice to have dconf-editor or gnome-tweak-tool for a pretty gui though Mar 26 18:18:05 well, nothing stops you from installing it :) Mar 26 19:50:32 ogra_: gnome-tweak-tool requires gnome-shell but gnome shell can't be installed. dconf-editor doesn't seem to exist Mar 26 20:25:46 steev: wfm, is your mirror and apt-cache up to date? Mar 26 20:40:29 micahg: which one works? Mar 26 20:41:07 oh, arm, sorry :) Mar 26 20:41:10 yeah, it's broke ATM Mar 26 20:48:07 micahg: no, not arch, i meant which? g-t-t or d-e Mar 26 20:48:46 gnome-tweak-tool, but I"m on amd64 (this and the ubuntu+1 channel are right next to each other in my IRC client :)) Mar 26 20:51:29 i'm on precise on the arm box Mar 26 20:53:34 steev: you want dconf-tools Mar 26 20:53:49 micahg: ah, okay Mar 26 20:53:58 command-not-found didn't suggest it Mar 26 20:54:07 and apt-cache search dconf-editor didn't show anything either Mar 26 21:37:28 steev: I see the package on launchpadlibrarian https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/0.11.7-0ubuntu1/+build/3300937 Not sure why it isn't in the pool. Mar 26 21:40:21 steev: I just ran apt-get update && apt-cache search dconf-tools and it shows up now. Mar 26 21:53:18 GrueMaster right, i searched for dconf-editor Mar 26 21:53:28 i should have just searched for dconf Mar 26 21:53:29 Ah. Mar 26 21:54:05 That's ok. We'll probably rename it in a couple of cycles, just to keep users guessing. :P Mar 26 21:54:22 heh Mar 26 21:57:59 * ogra_ votes for calling it "frank" Mar 26 22:00:17 Considering it was called gconf-editor last cycle... Mar 26 22:01:51 no, that was another app Mar 26 22:01:56 (still exists) Mar 26 22:02:20 Different app, same function (configuring unity crap). Mar 26 22:02:59 * GrueMaster needs a break. Mar 26 22:12:09 GrueMaster: true, but they serve different purposes (upstream at least, dconf is for stuff that's done converted to the new dconf, gconf is for legacy ish) Mar 27 00:47:16 Hm. who here looks after the panda kernel tree for ubuntu? Mar 27 00:48:35 ojn: You want ppisati (or to file a bug). Mar 27 00:59:17 infinity, thanks Mar 27 01:05:10 christ, I forgot just how horrible launchpad is to use. Mar 27 01:08:15 ojn: the BTS part? Mar 27 01:10:08 twb: well, all of it. But in general it's hard to find how to do whatever you came to it to do. In this case, how to file a bug against the panda kernel. I had to find the package name by doing some random searches that happened to hit on bugs for it, go to the package, and there open the bug Mar 27 01:10:21 btw, it's open at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/965840 Mar 27 01:10:22 I use https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface when I have to deal with Ubuntu-specific problems; everything else I reproduce and deal with upstream so as to avoid launchpad Mar 27 01:10:23 Launchpad bug 965840 in linux-ti-omap4 "Need to apply patch: "ARM: Do not call flush_cache_user_range with mmap_sem held"" [Undecided,New] Mar 27 01:10:27 (Sorry, it took a while to find the URL) Mar 27 01:10:33 ah there it is. :) Mar 27 01:11:40 As you can see from http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.reportbugrc I was not in a good mood Mar 27 01:14:28 I'm not sure pasting that was entirely necessary, but "thanks". Mar 27 01:14:57 * twb looks briefly embarrased; goes back to lurking Mar 27 01:15:28 ojn: Thanks for the report, I added a task for linux-ac100 as well, the only other ARM SMP kernel we currently ship. Mar 27 01:15:30 why do i need an rc file to report a bug? If i'm not native on the system it's completely useless to have native tools for bug reporting Mar 27 01:15:49 infinity, you're basing that on the chromeos branch though, right? I have added the patch there already Mar 27 01:15:52 ojn: I assume this has no effect on non-smp (your description implies as much), and doesn't need applying to our omap3 and mx53 kernels? Mar 27 01:16:22 infinity, given that it's a semaphore it can still happen (if you go to sleep across the call, then another thread comes in), but the scope is much much smaller Mar 27 01:16:23 ojn: The ac100 task is just to make sure we already have the patch but, yeah, we may already. Mar 27 01:16:50 ojn: Well, if it's theoretically triggerable on UP machines, I'll add tasks across the board. Mar 27 01:25:56 infinity, thanks. it'd be awesome if that could go out as an update to current release instead of just into next release as well. not sure how to flag that on the report (if i even can do that) Mar 27 01:26:30 ojn: We can do SRU tasks for it, though, with an LTS coming up, I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. Mar 27 01:33:42 infinity, i guess you assume everybody always updates. far from always the case Mar 27 01:34:38 ojn: No, I make no such assumption. But we do sort of assume that people might prefer to move to an LTS (and armhf) at some point soon, rather than one of the less-than-stellar releases leading up to it. Mar 27 01:35:10 ojn: We do backport changes to old release kernels, though. But not every change is as critical as the reporter thinks, etc. Mar 27 01:36:15 ojn: Which release in particular were you interested in? Mar 27 01:36:40 ojn: maverick is EOL in a month, but I can add natty and oneiric tasks and see about getting it pulled into the next SRU round. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 27 02:59:57 2012