**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 17 03:00:00 2012
Apr 17 03:01:20 <twb> are you serious?  They're up to 13 now?
Apr 17 03:01:46 <twb> micahg: well I was running it over X so I didn't have to pay the footprint penalty on my local netbook
Apr 17 03:02:03 <twb> TBH the video stuff annoys me because now I can't opt out by not installing flash
Apr 17 03:02:28 <micahg> noscript should help there
Apr 17 03:02:34 <twb> If I want a video I'll fucking well fun mplayer, I don't want it loading without asking inside a browser, any more than I want geocities "background music" in a web page
Apr 17 03:02:49 <twb> micahg: so instead of taking stuff out, I have to add more stuff to stop the first stuff from doing anything?  Yuk
Apr 17 03:03:05 <micahg> 13 is current in the aurora channel which is ~7 weeks from release (1 week till beta migration + 6 week migration cycle)
Apr 17 03:03:35 * micahg thinks noscript is sensible in any event for browsing
Apr 17 03:04:07 <twb> IMO if you have js in a browser it should be off by default
Apr 17 03:04:21 <twb> It's absurd to me that you need a third-party module to make that the case
Apr 17 03:04:47 <micahg> twb: if you saw how many bugs we get because people disable stuff, you'd understand why :) (Mozilla probably gets more)
Apr 17 03:04:50 <twb> But then, that's why I use w3m and I'm not an arsebook weenie
Apr 17 03:04:51 <scientes> twb, you can in firefox settings
Apr 17 03:05:09 <twb> micahg: yeah I grant you moco has to deal with a lot of fuckwits
Apr 17 03:05:10 <scientes> noscript just lets you set it on a per-domain basis
Apr 17 03:05:14 <scientes> whic is more useful
Apr 17 03:05:25 <scientes> same with cslite
Apr 17 03:05:38 * micahg loves permablocking the ad sites
Apr 17 03:05:51 <twb> scientes: I think if I was building it, I'd just have a keychord that said "toggle js in this tab"
Apr 17 03:06:01 <twb> micahg: I do that in hosts(5) ;-)
Apr 17 03:06:29 <scientes> twb, yeah i was looking for a way to only have ajvascript run in current
Apr 17 03:06:38 <scientes> but firefox actually does that by default now
Apr 17 03:08:48 <twb> infinity: btw with both oneiric and precise enabled, apt-get whinges because it can't find oneiric/armhf
Apr 17 03:08:58 <twb> http://paste.debian.net/163476/
Apr 17 03:09:44 <infinity> twb: Yeah, cosmetic bug worth fixing at some point, but it's not exactly a common use-case.
Apr 17 03:09:47 <scientes> twb, infinity already said, oneric doesnbt have armhf
Apr 17 03:09:59 <infinity> (ie: how often do we add ports, and have people attempt cross-series multiarch?)
Apr 17 03:10:53 <twb> infinity: okey dokey
Apr 17 03:11:03 <pnphi> make[1]: *** [stamp-conf-lite] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ty/LuanVan/icewm/icewm-1.3.7~pre2' make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
Apr 17 03:11:05 <twb> I am ninja enough to ignore an error from apt-get ::P
Apr 17 03:11:11 <pnphi> i can't fix this err
Apr 17 03:11:22 <twb> pnphi: pastebin full transcript please
Apr 17 03:11:34 <pnphi> make[1]: *** [stamp-conf-lite] Error 1
Apr 17 03:11:41 <pnphi> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
Apr 17 03:11:48 <pnphi> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
Apr 17 03:11:59 <pnphi> 2 days , i can't  fix this err
Apr 17 03:12:14 <twb> ubot2: pastebin
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Apr 17 03:12:33 <twb> pnphi: put the whole transcript, all those 100s of lines, into a pastebin
Apr 17 03:12:48 <pnphi> ok
Apr 17 03:13:13 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933470/
Apr 17 03:14:26 <twb> pnphi: what is the version (first line) reported by iconv --version?
Apr 17 03:15:02 <pnphi> must install iconv ?
Apr 17 03:15:22 <twb> If iconv is not installed, that is probably the problem.
Apr 17 03:15:38 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933473/
Apr 17 03:15:48 <pnphi> iconv --version
Apr 17 03:17:52 <pnphi> have iconv
Apr 17 03:20:20 <twb> There is something wrong with your system, because an earlier version of iconv (2.11, from lucid) passes that test:
Apr 17 03:20:25 <twb> echo foo | iconv --from iso-8859-1 --to UCS4//translit ==> foo
Apr 17 03:21:06 <pnphi> yes
Apr 17 03:21:08 <infinity> pnphi: Are you developing on maverick?
Apr 17 03:21:14 <pnphi> yes
Apr 17 03:21:23 <infinity> You realise it's EOL, right?
Apr 17 03:21:50 <pnphi> yse
Apr 17 03:21:51 <pnphi> yes
Apr 17 03:22:00 <infinity> Of course, maverick's iconv *does* work, so I'm sure your problem is local.  But still.  You might want to use a newer release.
Apr 17 03:23:02 <pnphi> newer...ok
Apr 17 03:23:02 <scientes> yeah iconv works...
Apr 17 03:23:47 <pnphi> must upgrade
Apr 17 03:25:57 <pnphi> i'm very tried, 2 days with the err
Apr 17 03:26:52 <pnphi> build by "dpkg-buildpackage -a<arch>" and "xdeb" , the same err
Apr 17 03:31:03 <pnphi> i must upgrade into 11.04
Apr 17 03:34:32 <pnphi> 11.04 is natty
Apr 17 03:44:06 <pnphi> how using dpkg-cross
Apr 17 04:13:48 <rsalveti> infinity: wooot, jockey worked fine from first boot :-)
Apr 17 04:14:00 <infinity> rsalveti: Crazy talk.  You must have done it wrong.
Apr 17 04:14:11 <rsalveti> ;-)
Apr 17 04:14:22 <infinity> Also: \o/
Apr 17 04:14:41 <infinity> I mean, it would be more "\o/" if the drivers were just free, but whatever. :/
Apr 17 04:14:47 <rsalveti> yeah
Apr 17 04:15:28 <rsalveti> hopefully some crazy dudes will reverse engineer it soon ;-)
Apr 17 04:15:35 <infinity> I'm still waiting for some clever young kid with too much free time to make nouvea work on Tegra.
Apr 17 04:15:39 <twb> Or you know, the vendor gets a fucking clue
Apr 17 04:15:40 <rsalveti> would be awesome if robclark would be allowed to do that
Apr 17 04:15:57 <infinity> rsalveti: That might represent a SLIGHT conflict of interest for him.
Apr 17 04:16:08 <rsalveti> robclark: did you look at the tegra support before doing the work for the other driver?
Apr 17 04:17:58 <infinity>  - ARM Fast Models as builders
Apr 17 04:18:04 <infinity> rsalveti: ^-- You hate me, right?
Apr 17 04:18:28 <rsalveti> infinity: oh yeah :-)
Apr 17 04:18:34 <rsalveti> start crying ;-)
Apr 17 04:18:38 <infinity> On it.
Apr 17 04:19:17 <infinity> On the one hand, it would be nice to have the port ready before there's any GA hardware.  On the other hand, OH GOD NO.
Apr 17 04:19:34 <rsalveti> lol
Apr 17 04:20:00 <rsalveti> we're using it for big.little, and yeah, it's a pain
Apr 17 04:20:05 <robclark> rsalveti, I didn't really look at tegra.. although that was more to do w/ hw I have access to.. :-P
Apr 17 04:20:25 <rsalveti> infinity: ^ just need to get a tegra board to robclark ;-)
Apr 17 04:20:27 <infinity> robclark: I'll mail you some Tegra kit.
Apr 17 04:20:46 <robclark> heheh, well, I think I'll be busy for a while ;-)
Apr 17 04:20:57 <infinity> Actually, in all seriousness, we might have some spare ac100s floating around the company, I could ask around.
Apr 17 04:20:59 <robclark> although find some nouveau folks, send 'em tegras :-P
Apr 17 04:21:34 <infinity> I just have a gut feeling that making nouveau do tegraish things would be dangerously close to "trivial" for someone who understands the architecture.
Apr 17 04:21:48 <infinity> Since the Tegra GPU is, by all account, just a slightly crippled Geforce.
Apr 17 04:22:11 <infinity> Sadly, once it's made to work "just like the desktop GPUs", then someone needs to make it do GLES instead. :/
Apr 17 04:22:47 <robclark> I'd heard somewhere that some nouveau folks thought it would need a different driver, but I'm not sure how much that has to do w/ command stream and shader ISA's, vs UMA vs vram..
Apr 17 04:23:30 <robclark> I'd have to guess there is at least some family resemblance ;-)
Apr 17 04:23:44 <infinity> It's the nose.  It's always the nose.
Apr 17 04:23:51 <robclark> heheh
Apr 17 04:24:33 <infinity> Honestly, we suffer along fine with ati/nvidia binary drivers on the desktop, and I think I've mostly come to terms with it.
Apr 17 04:24:53 <infinity> It's the part where ARM SoC vendors are a bit less organised that makes it more painful.
Apr 17 04:24:55 <twb> I don't suffer
Apr 17 04:24:57 * robclark used nouveau on old laptop (now have intel gfx)
Apr 17 04:25:03 <infinity> (So, the omap4 + jockey thing is great news)
Apr 17 04:25:05 <twb> I outright refuse to use anything but intel GPUs on the desktop
Apr 17 04:25:12 <robclark> nouveau supported gles nicely thx to gallium
Apr 17 04:25:50 <robclark> (gles also works well on new laptop)
Apr 17 04:25:57 <infinity> twb: If Intel ever caught up in 3D performance, I may take that stand, but I still like my fancy video games.
Apr 17 04:26:26 <twb> I have never once had a proprietary video game work properly under wine
Apr 17 04:26:40 <infinity> (I hear that this year's crop of Intel GPUs are at least "not crap", compared to one generation removed for ati/nvidia)
Apr 17 04:26:44 <twb> Even with non-intel (ATI) GPUs
Apr 17 04:26:49 <infinity> twb: I used to play WoW in wine, worked fine.
Apr 17 04:27:03 <infinity> On both ATI and nvidia.
Apr 17 04:27:08 <twb> cube and tremulous worked OK tho
Apr 17 04:27:29 <twb> infinity: the two I can remember are KOTOR and SMAC
Apr 17 04:38:28 <rsalveti> infinity: and after reboot, unity 3d running :-)
Apr 17 04:38:55 <rsalveti> janimo`: with today's image unity-3d is working after installing the pvr driver
Apr 17 04:39:02 <rsalveti> janimo`: what issue did you get exactly?
Apr 17 04:39:28 <rsalveti> can you also start just X and call unity by hand to see if you get any useful logs?
Apr 17 04:49:17 <infinity> rsalveti: Huzzah!
Apr 17 04:49:33 <infinity> I really need to test all of this on my Panda and see it in action.
Apr 17 04:49:48 <infinity> The poor thing's been on fire with toolchain builds all week instead of playing with shiny things.
Apr 17 04:50:16 <infinity> But, once this gcc-4.6/eglibc upload for Debian is done building, it's free again.  Finally.
Apr 17 04:50:20 <rsalveti> hm, seems a bunch of gnome-related changes just landed, running dist-upgrade now
Apr 17 04:50:24 <rsalveti> yeah
Apr 17 04:50:37 <scientes> twb, i've had games work
Apr 17 04:50:55 <scientes> infinity, i couldn't get a framerate over about 3 with ati
Apr 17 04:51:08 <scientes> i also got a nasty corruption issue (which i managed to fix)
Apr 17 04:51:09 <infinity> scientes: Ow.
Apr 17 04:51:34 <scientes> nvidia +wow always worked fine however
Apr 17 04:58:20 <twb> I know it seems to be JUST me
Apr 17 04:58:28 <twb> everyone else seems to have wine work fine for everything
Apr 17 04:58:52 <twb> Although I suspect that's mainly nvidia customers, not the ATI r250 I was using at the time
Apr 17 05:00:48 <scientes> nvidia certainly is the strongest 3d driver for linux
Apr 17 05:00:59 <scientes> but nouveau and radeon are certainly coming along
Apr 17 05:01:14 <scientes> ..however nvidia just broke for me is some way on precise...
Apr 17 05:01:22 <scientes> since last few kernels
Apr 17 07:40:15 <ogra_> bug 983555
Apr 17 07:40:15 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 983555 in compiz-plugins-extra "compiz-plugins-extra FTBFS on ARM" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/983555
Apr 17 08:14:39 <nimesh_accenture> has anyone tried running the ubuntu Oneric 11.10 rootfs over android kernel 3.01 in ICS?
Apr 17 08:29:17 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, there is no such this as "android kernel 3.01"
Apr 17 08:29:30 <scientes> AFAIK
Apr 17 08:29:49 <scientes> each device has a differn't kernel, which is part of the way ARM currently works
Apr 17 08:32:07 <twb> or doesn't work, as the case may be :P
Apr 17 08:35:37 <suihkulokki> tsk, tsk, CONFIG_INIT_PASS_ALL_PARAMS is still not merged mainline?
Apr 17 08:37:14 <nimesh_accenture> scientes: Android has its own patches over the standard linux kernel , which had not recently been upmerged , until 3.3
Apr 17 08:37:37 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, indeed, however most embedded devices use more than just android patches
Apr 17 08:38:20 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, and as 3.3 doesn't have wakelocks booting android on it will eat your battery alive
Apr 17 08:38:42 <scientes> only a select few boards work with upstream kernels, even with non-android
Apr 17 08:39:25 <twb> nimesh_accenture: are they all/mostly in, in 3.3. then?
Apr 17 08:39:36 <twb> Last I heard was "RSN, honest"
Apr 17 08:40:49 <nimesh_accenture> twb: i'm not sure , but I read an article a few weeks back that android patches have been ypmerged into the std linux kernel , not sure if all had been merged
Apr 17 08:41:03 <twb> shiiiiiiny
Apr 17 08:43:06 <nimesh_accenture> scientes: what i'm basically trying to do is create a new rootfs using chrooot in android ICS and then include ubyntu packages and the glibc and the std libc in that root to run applications like g-streamer
Apr 17 08:43:32 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, that should work just fine, however what does uname -a say
Apr 17 08:43:45 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, also, see if you have /proc/config.gz
Apr 17 08:44:13 <scientes> also, bind mount /dev
Apr 17 08:44:16 <nimesh_accenture> i'm currently on my desktop
Apr 17 08:44:35 <nimesh_accenture> panda hasn't been booted yet
Apr 17 08:45:14 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.galoula.LinuxInstall&hl=en
Apr 17 08:45:17 <scientes> thats debian
Apr 17 08:45:52 <scientes> oh if you have a pandaboard just use the ubuntu pandaboard images
Apr 17 08:46:20 <scientes> should have said you have a more open device
Apr 17 08:48:44 <nimesh_accenture> ya but the ubuntu panda board images contain the kernel et. all , i'll have to separate that out from the image and create a new rootfs
Apr 17 08:49:07 <nimesh_accenture> i mean i've not done it before
Apr 17 08:49:12 <nimesh_accenture> that is waht i assume
Apr 17 08:51:10 <scientes> nimesh_accenture, are you trying to dual boot?
Apr 17 08:51:15 <scientes> whats wrong with the ubuntu kernel?
Apr 17 08:52:35 <janimo`> rsalveti, wat I tested was an x86 wit pvr not panda, so likely oter issues
Apr 17 08:52:48 * janimo` needs to fix te h key
Apr 17 08:52:54 <nimesh_accenture> nothing is wrong. I want the Android front end , but the ubuntu back end for apps like g-streamer , which dont run on android root
Apr 17 08:54:07 <nimesh_accenture> so both will coexist. not dual boot.
Apr 17 08:54:23 <twb> gstreamer isn't an app
Apr 17 08:54:35 <nimesh_accenture> an engine i ment
Apr 17 08:54:54 <twb> I wonder if anyone has filed an ITP for dalvik
Apr 17 08:55:02 <twb> That would be one of the obvious prerequisites
Apr 17 08:55:59 <nimesh_accenture> not bothered much abt ITP's at the moment ...
Apr 17 10:34:16 <nimesh_accenture> guys ... I have a question about rootstock.... does rootstock download packages from the web or does it include it from the local machine?
Apr 17 10:46:49 <janimo`> nimesh_accenture, from the archives. not the local machine
Apr 17 10:47:51 <nimesh_accenture> so what do I do if i want to crreate a root fs from my local machine root files?
Apr 17 10:48:27 <nimesh_accenture> i basically have the server image of oneric and i want all the packages that are included in that package
Apr 17 10:52:07 <janimo`> nimesh_accenture, I don't think you can reuse your serer image iso from rootstock
Apr 17 10:52:24 <spych102> i am having package problems with enabling my pandaboard, in 11.10 and 12.04
Apr 17 10:53:21 <nimesh_accenture> ok...
Apr 17 10:53:36 <nimesh_accenture> one more thing , what does "--seed linux-image-omap" actually do?
Apr 17 10:53:49 <nimesh_accenture> and do we actually need to give that option?
Apr 17 10:54:27 <spych102> what is the best sdcard image to start with and is there a version of omap extras to use
Apr 17 10:54:29 <janimo`> nimesh_accenture, I think with --seed you specify extra packages to be added to the image which otherwise are not in the default rootstock image
Apr 17 10:54:45 <janimo`> kernel must be seeded as that is specific to the platform you are building for
Apr 17 10:55:34 <janimo`> if you add --seed ubuntu-server it may add all dependencies of that metapackage too. I am not sure though I rarely used rootstock and een then I did not understand exactly how it worked
Apr 17 10:55:52 <LetoThe2nd> isn't rootstock largely outdated? there was even talk about removing it.
Apr 17 10:56:12 <nimesh_accenture> i dont need the kernel, as i'm trying to chroot on top of Android kernel
Apr 17 10:56:38 <janimo`> LetoThe2nd, yes it is. I don't know if there's a similarly easy way to build custom images though
Apr 17 10:56:52 <janimo`> live-build is less straightforward
Apr 17 10:57:12 <LetoThe2nd> janimo`: no idea, i usually just use debootstrap
Apr 17 10:57:56 <nimesh_accenture> i basically need to chroot as i need libc and glibc .. so does --seed linux-image-omap , include the kernel in the rootfs tarball?
Apr 17 10:58:22 <LetoThe2nd> well then whats the matter with debootstrap? set arch, pick the ports mirror, done.
Apr 17 10:58:56 <nimesh_accenture> i didn't know abt debbootstrap ... i'll check it out
Apr 17 10:58:59 <nimesh_accenture> thx guys!
Apr 17 11:02:52 <janimo`> LetoThe2nd, rootstock is debootstrap + adding kernel + initrd basically I think
Apr 17 11:03:19 <LetoThe2nd> janimo`: me thinks the same.
Apr 17 11:05:57 <LetoThe2nd> quit
Apr 17 11:06:27 <nimesh_accenture> so then rootstock "is" debootstrap
Apr 17 11:06:52 <janimo`> nimesh_accenture, yes, a wrapper around it
Apr 17 11:09:29 <ogra_> rootstock didnt (yes its dead and gone from the archive) do anysthing wrt kernel or initrd
Apr 17 11:10:43 <ogra_> its essentially debootstrap+apt-get install $seed+a lot of initial setup for the rootfs (creating users, groups and all default configs the installer would normally doetc)
Apr 17 11:11:58 <ogra_> and also rootstock was more a wrapper around qemu than around debootstrap (it indeed used debootstrap but that was only a minor part of it)
Apr 17 11:12:37 <LetoThe2nd> not an adult part? *SCNR*
Apr 17 11:13:04 <ogra_> heh
Apr 17 11:15:02 <nimesh_accenture> ok...
Apr 17 11:15:35 <nimesh_accenture> so if i dont need the kernel in rootstock , what do i do?
Apr 17 11:15:56 <nimesh_accenture> or is it included by default?
Apr 17 11:16:13 <ogra_> what kernel ?
Apr 17 11:16:30 <ogra_> for which target arch
Apr 17 11:16:47 <ogra_> s/arch/board/
Apr 17 11:16:50 <nimesh_accenture> i'm going to do a chroot from the android kernel , but the ubuntu server oneric rootfs
Apr 17 11:17:00 <nimesh_accenture> pandaboard
Apr 17 11:17:11 <ogra_> why do you do that ?
Apr 17 11:17:47 <ogra_> you will have to apply very heavy hacks to userspace to even get networking to work with an android kernel using it in a normal linux distro
Apr 17 11:17:50 <nimesh_accenture> i want to run gstreamer on the chrooted rootfs, i cant run it on android
Apr 17 11:18:17 <ogra_> ah, so you will run a full android and only chroot into the ubuntu rootfs ?
Apr 17 11:18:26 <nimesh_accenture> yup
Apr 17 11:18:57 <ogra_> good luck with that then
Apr 17 11:19:10 <ogra_> for a chroot you can easily just use ubuntu-core as a base
Apr 17 11:19:35 <nimesh_accenture> thx! but will rootstock include the kernel by default?
Apr 17 11:21:16 <ogra_> no and i wouldnt count on it to work properly at all, its unmaintained since over a year
Apr 17 11:21:37 <ogra_> and has never gotten support for noewer distros ... so its a matter of luck
Apr 17 11:21:44 <ogra_> *newer
Apr 17 11:21:57 <ogra_> use ubuntu-core instaed
Apr 17 11:22:44 <ogra_> and if you want to transfer package selections from oeniric-server to it, use dpkg --get-selections on the server install and dpkg --set-selections in the chroot
Apr 17 11:23:03 <ogra_> (and apt-get dselect-upgrade iirc)
Apr 17 11:27:02 <nimesh_accenture> ah! ok... so no root stocking! thx ogra_!
Apr 17 11:58:12 <sveinse> For how long will the armel Natty repos live? I don't mean how long its supported, but when will the deb repos disappear?
Apr 17 11:58:42 <ogra_> they move with the EOL announcement
Apr 17 11:59:54 <sveinse> Oct 12 I suppose then?
Apr 17 12:00:01 <ogra_> likely
Apr 17 12:00:06 <sveinse> thanks
Apr 17 12:00:08 <ogra_> dunno whats the exact date
Apr 17 12:00:18 <ogra_> but around that timeframe should be right
Apr 17 12:12:33 <sveinse> I'm collecting license/copyright info for a Natty system. I find some packages without any copyright file, e.g. debconf-i18n, fuse-utils, klibc-utils, libgcc1. Do I have to fetch the sources to get their respective licenses? I thought it wasn't possible to publish a deb without copyright.
Apr 17 12:13:00 <ogra_> it isnt, there must be one
Apr 17 12:13:37 <sveinse> Well these don't
Apr 17 12:13:42 <janimo`> sveinse, dpkg -L fuse-utils show that is has a copytight file
Apr 17 12:13:49 <janimo`> not much else actually. This is on precise
Apr 17 12:14:18 <sveinse> I'm reading none in fuse-utils_2.8.4-1.1ubuntu4_armel.deb
Apr 17 12:14:42 <sveinse> which is the latest in Natty I believe
Apr 17 12:16:29 <ogra_> libgcc1 is indeed weird
Apr 17 12:16:48 <sveinse> Neither in amd64 nor i386. Neither in oneiric either
Apr 17 12:20:37 <sveinse> The complete list of packages missing copyright is: debconf-i18n, fuse-utils, klibc-utils, libgcc1, libnih-dbus1, libpython2.7, libstdc++6, ntfs-3g, openssh-server, openssl, vim-tiny
Apr 17 12:20:52 <sveinse> This is from our small embedded system without any GUI
Apr 17 12:30:10 <ogra_> sveinse, check /usr/share/doc, some dirs are symlinks ;)
Apr 17 12:30:15 <ogra_> (to save space)
Apr 17 12:32:49 <sveinse> Yeah ok. That's good that they aren't missing
Apr 17 12:32:55 <sveinse> Sorry for the confusion
Apr 17 12:33:44 <ogra_> well, i knew it was a symlink somehow, thanks for asking else i handt looked :)
Apr 17 13:20:58 <ogra_> oh !
Apr 17 13:21:03 <ogra_> cute !
Apr 17 13:21:06 <ogra_> http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
Apr 17 13:30:17 <lilstevie> ogra_: that thing is nice
Apr 17 13:30:25 <ogra_> it is !
Apr 17 13:30:31 <ogra_> and it has eSATA ...
Apr 17 13:30:39 <lilstevie> great step on the developer support by offering bootrom level recovery
Apr 17 13:30:57 <lilstevie> and more to the point offering it as a feature
Apr 17 13:47:09 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933970/
Apr 17 13:47:10 <pnphi> help me
Apr 17 13:48:32 <LetoThe2nd> pnphi: then try to start with a meaningful error description instead of coughing up random output snippets, maybe? ;)
Apr 17 13:50:21 <ogra_> looks like you dont have all dependencies your build needs
Apr 17 13:50:36 <LetoThe2nd> yeah, but whatever that build is/needs...
Apr 17 14:06:22 <pnphi> so..i have full deps
Apr 17 14:18:37 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933970/   help me
Apr 17 14:18:47 <pnphi> i can't fix this err
Apr 17 14:19:39 <LetoThe2nd> no new information, hence no new help is possible.
Apr 17 14:53:20 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/934066/
Apr 17 14:53:31 <pnphi> the err , i can't fix
Apr 17 14:54:44 <ogra_> what error ?
Apr 17 14:54:56 <ogra_> (there is none in that log, its a successfull build)
Apr 17 14:55:20 <pnphi> so,i don't see result
Apr 17 14:56:00 <ogra_> it isnt in the pbuilder output dir ?
Apr 17 14:56:36 <pnphi> where is the pbuilder output ?
Apr 17 14:56:52 <pnphi> \var/cache/pbuilder/results
Apr 17 14:57:06 * ogra_ has no idea, i dont use pbuilder
Apr 17 14:57:39 <pnphi> var/cache/pbuilder/results --> i don't see the resulr
Apr 17 14:57:39 <pnphi> var/cache/pbuilder/results --> i don't see the result
Apr 17 14:57:51 <pnphi> what do you use ?
Apr 17 14:58:55 <ogra_> just a clean chroot
Apr 17 14:59:12 <rsalveti> ogra_: suihkulokki got one cubox at connect
Apr 17 14:59:16 <rsalveti> quite nice indeed
Apr 17 14:59:29 <pnphi> detail ?
Apr 17 15:00:21 <ogra_> pnphi, google :)
Apr 17 15:00:38 <pnphi> chroot
Apr 17 15:00:47 <pnphi> xdeb ?
Apr 17 15:01:27 <ogra_> i'm using a chroot on a pandaboard or on a toshiba ac100
Apr 17 15:04:37 <pnphi> how to build package armel from source ubuntu ?
Apr 17 15:04:56 <pnphi> i use pdebuild
Apr 17 15:05:04 <ogra_> yes, thats fine
Apr 17 15:05:38 <pnphi> what the way to good ?
Apr 17 15:18:05 <nimesh_accenture> i'm trying to follow instructions at: http://omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core , specifically "Chroot configuration on the Linux PC " . However when I try to chroot , it crashes out giving this error : qemu: fatal: cp15 insn ee1d7f70
Apr 17 15:18:37 <ogra_> make sure to have the proper qemu-lianro package installed
Apr 17 15:18:41 <ogra_> *linaro
Apr 17 15:18:57 <ogra_> (and ask in linaro if you run into issues with that, they maintain it)
Apr 17 15:20:03 <nimesh_accenture> im not using an sdcard, but I have the rootfs on a seperate folder... will that make a diff?
Apr 17 15:20:27 <ogra_> shouldnt
Apr 17 15:21:07 <nimesh_accenture> the instruction asks me to copy qemu-arm-static to my new rootfs's usr/bin
Apr 17 15:22:03 <ogra_> yes
Apr 17 15:22:15 <nimesh_accenture> so i did that step
Apr 17 15:22:33 <ogra_> thats fine
Apr 17 15:22:52 <nimesh_accenture> so what additional linaro package do i have to install?
Apr 17 15:23:03 <ogra_> make sure to have the proper qemu-lianro package installed
Apr 17 15:23:08 <ogra_> *linaro
Apr 17 15:23:23 <ogra_> bah, using history doesnt help if there is a typo :P
Apr 17 15:24:04 <nimesh_accenture> so how do i know which is the proper package ? apt-get install qemu-linaro ?
Apr 17 15:24:50 <ogra_> ask in #linaro
Apr 17 15:25:08 <ogra_> i cant answer that ... i dont use any cross tools
Apr 17 15:25:08 <nimesh_accenture> oki
Apr 17 16:18:52 <ogra_> infinity, hmm, seems also ac100 users see the /init not found issue
Apr 17 16:19:04 <infinity> Everyone would, yes.
Apr 17 16:19:07 <infinity> I'm working on it.
Apr 17 16:19:09 <infinity> Shh. :P
Apr 17 16:19:23 <ogra_> heh
Apr 17 16:21:23 <GrueMaster> The "/init" issue affects all arm as far as I can tell.  I am able to reproduce it on Panda with a preseeded netboot install and we are seeing it on armadaxp.
Apr 17 16:22:31 <GrueMaster> The initial bug is lp:984007
Apr 17 16:22:39 <ogra_> right, i just didnt see it mysefl since i didnt generate any initrd recently
Apr 17 16:23:08 <ogra_> but there are plenty people in #ac100 since yesterday that have fallen over systems
Apr 17 16:24:04 <GrueMaster> So, what package should that bug be filed against for tracking?
Apr 17 16:24:21 <ogra_> eglibc i think
Apr 17 16:24:29 <ogra_> but it should be fixed today
Apr 17 16:24:44 <ogra_> i wouldnt bother with bugs
Apr 17 16:25:10 <GrueMaster> Bug is already filed, just not against the right package.
Apr 17 16:25:31 <ogra_> yes, we discussed it in #arm for the last two hours
Apr 17 16:25:47 <GrueMaster> elibc in LP brings up purelibc.  Is this correct?
Apr 17 16:25:57 <ogra_> eglibc
Apr 17 16:26:18 <ogra_> or search for "infinitys home" in LP :P
Apr 17 16:29:35 <ogra_> GrueMaster, looks to me like bug 984007 has all the packages right already
Apr 17 16:29:35 <GrueMaster> Not sure why it was targeted at d-i.  Not sure how they correlate, as the install works, just post install boot that doesn't.
Apr 17 16:29:36 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984007 in initramfs-tools "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984007
Apr 17 16:31:06 <GrueMaster> When I first cracked it open, only "The Eilt Project" was listed.  Which is why I asked about the package.
Apr 17 16:31:16 <ogra_> ah
Apr 17 16:31:29 <GrueMaster> Multiple fingers in the pie.
Apr 17 16:31:38 <ogra_> well, as i said, the eilt team kept us busy discussiong it for the last 2h :)
Apr 17 16:31:58 <GrueMaster> Yes, I know.  I saw the scrollback.
Apr 17 16:32:04 <ogra_> (until infinity showed up and said "yeah, i broke it" ) ;)
Apr 17 16:32:10 <GrueMaster> And was also asked to reproduce it here.
Apr 17 16:32:17 <ogra_> oh my
Apr 17 16:32:47 <ogra_> howb about they start discussions in the right place so it doesnt need someone to carry over the transcription :P
Apr 17 16:34:12 <GrueMaster> This issue appears to have been discussed in 4 separate channels then.  2 on our servers, #ac100, and here.
Apr 17 16:34:23 <GrueMaster> So, define "The Right Place".
Apr 17 16:34:27 <ogra_> here
Apr 17 16:35:01 <ogra_> unless there is highly confidential info to be tossed around :P
Apr 17 17:07:17 <spych102> i can't install omap extras because the graphics and multimedia packages don't install properly, is there another way to install the omap extras manually?
Apr 17 17:35:55 <pnphi> pbuilder-satisfydepends failed
Apr 17 17:36:00 <pnphi> what the err ?
Apr 17 17:41:01 <djszapi> ogra_: hey
Apr 17 17:41:23 <djszapi> for some reasons, my binary is not executed after reboot even after installing the relevant upstart job. :/
Apr 17 17:46:55 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/\\
Apr 17 17:46:57 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/\
Apr 17 17:47:03 <pnphi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/934294/
Apr 17 17:47:03 <pnphi> i cant fix this err
Apr 17 18:06:54 <ogra_> LetoThe2nd, bug 984007
Apr 17 18:06:55 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984007 in initramfs-tools "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/984007
Apr 17 20:16:35 <LetoThe2nd> hm, after netinstalling on the panda, how to fixup the locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales regenerates things, but does not offer me to change them
Apr 17 20:21:50 <rcn-ee> LetoThe2nd, i usually "sudo update-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8"" or whatever you want..
Apr 17 20:22:52 <LetoThe2nd> rcn-ee: basically i just want to change the encoding to something sane. for messages and everything else, "C" is totally fine.
Apr 17 21:12:37 <scientes> FUUUUUUUU
Apr 17 21:12:49 <scientes> "Thatīs the case of the FlexCAN interface, the i.MX53 Support it, but the QSB Board does not have access to this interface. I apologize for this inconvenience.
Apr 17 21:12:50 <scientes> "
Apr 17 21:12:58 <scientes> -freescale email
Apr 17 21:14:39 <jimerickson> just did an update and rebooted pandaboard and all i get is a kernel panic. going to re-image card with todays image and try again.
Apr 17 21:15:57 <LetoThe2nd> jimerickson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/984007
Apr 17 21:15:58 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 984007 in eglibc "netinst d-i fails on armhf" [Critical,In progress]
Apr 17 21:16:32 <jimerickson> ok thanks at least they know about it.
Apr 17 21:16:40 <LetoThe2nd> jimerickson: looks like initramfs-tools is/was broken
Apr 17 21:30:09 <jimerickson> so i should wait on any updates after i re-image the card
Apr 17 21:31:04 <LetoThe2nd> jimerickson: bugtracker says fix released...
Apr 17 21:32:04 <jimerickson> ok thanks LetoThe2nd
Apr 17 22:07:03 <GrueMaster> jimerickson: I would wait until tomorrow's images are built.  The current ones are broken.
Apr 17 22:10:29 <scientes> jimerickson, or you could fix it up with qemu-arm-static and the specific fixed versin
Apr 17 22:58:08 <avinashhm> Hi , has any one used alsamixer in linaro-nano OR linaro-developer .. after installing alsamixer, when i launch, i get strange characters on the screen .. may be something related to color packages .. but not exactly sure .. has anyone tried alsa mixer on -nano OR -developer .. pls do give any pointers
Apr 17 22:59:38 <avinashhm> I am getting o/p like - http://paste.ubuntu.com/934710/
Apr 17 23:09:43 <jimerickson> GrueMaster: yes. broken. waiting...
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Apr 18 02:21:06 <ncharles> anybody know the default username/password on the 11.10 omap install?
Apr 18 02:22:37 <infinity> ncharles: There isn't one until you install it.
Apr 18 02:22:46 <infinity> ncharles: At which point, it's the one you set up.
Apr 18 02:25:03 <ncharles> this is with the armel minimal image
Apr 18 02:25:15 <ncharles> I found it, it was ubuntu/temppwd
Apr 18 02:25:36 <twb> You're probably still in the oem phase then
Apr 18 02:27:03 <infinity> Err.
Apr 18 02:27:16 <infinity> Or not an actual ubuntu image at all.
Apr 18 02:27:30 <ncharles> it was the r0 image I had floating around
Apr 18 02:27:55 <infinity> "r0"?
Apr 18 02:28:17 <ncharles> ubuntu-11.10-r0-minimal-armel
Apr 18 02:28:39 <infinity> Yeah, that's not an ubuntu image.
Apr 18 02:28:44 <infinity> Not an official one.
Apr 18 02:28:55 <infinity> As in, not built by us.
Apr 18 02:29:38 <ncharles> oh ok, it was the one i could get the ethernet working with
Apr 18 02:29:49 * infinity isn't sure how much he trusts rcn-ee.net
Apr 18 02:29:57 <infinity> But okay.
Apr 18 02:31:31 <ncharles> what is the prefered image for a beagleboard-xm?
Apr 18 02:31:49 <infinity> desktop or server?
Apr 18 02:31:54 <ncharles> server
Apr 18 02:32:29 <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/
Apr 18 02:36:07 <ncharles> ok well maybe I'll try that image then
Apr 18 02:36:52 <ncharles> does that work well with the beaglebone?
Apr 18 02:37:34 <infinity> Not sure, don't have one.
Apr 18 02:37:43 <infinity> I haven't heard excessive complaints, though.
Apr 18 02:38:28 <ncharles> i have one coming tomorrow so i'll have to give it a shot
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