**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 02 02:59:58 2012 May 02 07:27:27 what's the arm porting tag? May 02 07:29:36 micahg, ? May 02 07:29:42 oh to launchpad, idk May 02 08:24:05 Hi ubuntu-arm gurus May 02 08:25:12 i'm trying to run 12.04 on my beagle xm and followed wiki install instructions... so far so good, everything installs correctly and I can boot into my fresh installed pangolin May 02 08:26:15 but the performance/reactivity is not so good.. is it an expected behavior ? I have no point of comparison so it's difficult to make an idea May 02 08:30:58 bornet, it won't run well on the beagle xm i imagine May 02 08:33:56 thanks for feedback brendand. Did you personally try it ? May 02 08:34:37 bornet, no - i've only tried on the pandaboard, which has 1GB of RAM May 02 08:35:08 it should run fine but dont forget what you are running from ;) May 02 08:35:13 bornet, it can also be slow because it is running off of the SD card May 02 08:35:28 even the panda feels slow due to running from SD May 02 08:35:46 OK it's what I feared... May 02 08:35:59 i will first try with a better SD card May 02 08:36:04 there are netinstall images that allow you to install to USB HDD May 02 08:36:32 bornet, it doesn't really depend on the quality of the card. flash is just slow May 02 08:36:33 not top class SD card at the moment... what I had under hand... May 02 08:36:37 while USB isnt great either (limited to 24MB/s) its still a big improvement over SD card May 02 08:36:48 bornet, if you have a usb media it will work better May 02 08:37:14 yes i'll try with USB May 02 08:38:16 Of course if you add enough RAM it won't matter because the SD card will only be read from / written to at boot / halt time, right? ;-) May 02 08:39:00 twb, no - the os frequently needs to access the filesystem May 02 08:39:22 brendand: depends how high you crank the settings in /proc May 02 08:39:29 twb - and adding ram to a beagleboard is going to be an interesting trick May 02 08:39:34 And on the filesystem design of course May 02 08:39:38 But I was being flippant May 02 08:39:51 you still need certain directories writable May 02 08:40:00 Sure sure May 02 08:40:02 and indeed you need to read a lot May 02 08:40:15 But you can just say "hey ext4 please buffer writes for up to 24 hours" May 02 08:40:26 And hope you don't crash :-) May 02 08:40:39 >> the os frequently needs to access the filesystem May 02 08:40:39 not the OS (Linux) directly but the userspace May 02 08:40:44 (look at the source of casper to see which dirs btw, it actually runs / completely from ram (on top of an overlayfs) May 02 08:40:49 It works especially well if you have more RAM than SD card capcity May 02 08:41:19 ogra_: well, aufs of ro rootfs + tmpfs May 02 08:41:19 and Ubuntu is perhaps not the best in this case (frequent FS access) May 02 08:41:32 twb, right May 02 08:41:47 Have they switched away from aufs? Or did you mean overlayfs as a generic term May 02 08:42:06 bornet, i doubt its any worse or better than any other modern linux distro May 02 08:42:22 bornet: yeah, it's not Ubuntu it's gnome doing that May 02 08:42:37 if you have the same SW^ selection you should have roughly the same amount of IO May 02 08:43:23 yes for sure, we'll try some other "lightweight" WM and distro May 02 08:43:40 X is for wimps May 02 08:43:42 any experience with XFCE ? does it perform better on panda/beagle ? May 02 08:43:57 lubuntu-desktop is pretty nice and seems to run in under 80M when idling May 02 08:44:14 thanks, i'll try this one May 02 08:44:14 (teh default unity-2d desktop uses about 120M btw) May 02 08:44:37 xubuntu should be somewhere between these two May 02 08:44:54 never been fan of unity even for my Core i7 desktop... May 02 08:45:08 OK I'll first try with lubuntu May 02 08:45:16 * ogra_ likes it in 12.04 ... all former releases were still pretty buggy) May 02 08:45:37 and will give you feedback here when done :-) May 02 08:46:04 http://paste.debian.net/166959/ May 02 08:46:24 I should probably replace rsyslogd with busybox-syslogd May 02 09:01:37 I have to say I like unity for touchscreen environments May 02 09:02:08 and yeah, unity is much more stable in 12.04 like ogra said May 02 09:02:28 I struggle to achieve anything with touchscreens. At least, anything that requires more input than "follow link" and "scroll down" May 02 09:02:54 My fingers must simply be too fat May 02 09:49:25 * ppisati -> brb May 02 11:20:41 * ppisati -> out for lunch May 02 11:27:59 hmpf May 02 11:28:07 * ogra_ just tries out the tegra armhf driver ... May 02 11:28:16 not particulary stable :( May 02 11:46:50 ogra_: really? I am finding that it is stable May 02 11:49:55 lilstevie, what kernel version do you use ? May 02 11:50:15 might be that the ac100 precise kernel is to old or misses patches May 02 11:51:03 3.1.10 May 02 11:51:21 yeah, we are at 3.0 May 02 11:55:14 hm May 02 11:55:37 maybe you are missing something May 02 12:56:56 Ih everyone ! I'm wondering if ubuntu ARM would work on a Acer tab a510 (tegra 3 tablet) May 02 12:57:23 if someone ported kernel and bootloader ... May 02 12:57:37 userspace (rootfs) should just run May 02 12:57:46 if they would release their kernel bits... May 02 12:59:03 narcotic: well yeah, as long as you can replace the kernel May 02 12:59:21 narcotic: I am running ubuntu on my transformer prime (tegra 3) May 02 12:59:37 and does it work well with touch ? May 02 12:59:55 well is a subjective term May 02 13:00:11 it works as bout as well as you could hope May 02 13:00:33 the transformer prime has a lot of "noise" when it comes to the touchscreen May 02 13:02:08 ok, sounds nice ! I don't have my tablet yet but when I will have it, I will try installing it. May 02 13:02:54 it will require some work May 02 13:03:42 that's what I'm a bit scared of... I'm quite new to all the ubuntu stuff, I don't even know what kernel means so... May 02 13:06:10 (sorry if my english is not good :p ) May 02 13:06:27 good enough to understand you :) May 02 13:06:51 (at least for this german here :) ) May 02 13:08:21 ok :) May 02 13:08:55 i assume its you who just mailed me about the same device ? May 02 13:09:10 yes May 02 13:09:14 k May 02 13:11:06 Then i tought about the IRC channel... May 02 13:11:47 getting everything working takes a bit of work, but just getting it to the point of booting isnt too difficult May 02 13:11:48 yup. thats usually the quicker way of getting answers May 02 13:19:20 and apparently, the bootloader of the acer tab a510 isn't locked like the prime (I think) May 02 13:20:51 lilstevie : do you still have android on the prime (dual boot) or not ? May 02 13:21:10 no May 02 13:21:31 do you think it would be possible ? May 02 15:02:41 hi@all May 02 15:04:40 i have a problem on pandaboard es running ubuntu 12.04 arm omap4. if audio output device is set to hdmi-audio the video and audio player like slow motion. Is there someone here who has the same problems? thx May 02 15:08:06 ubuntu 11.10 shows the same problem. if audio output device is set to pandaES audio everything is fine May 02 17:50:39 ogra_: ping May 02 17:51:04 the second run of "rtcwake -s 5 -m mem" does not work on my pandaboard with the ubuntu (linaro) image for some reasons. :( May 02 21:01:34 hello, I installed ubuntu on a beaglebone using http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu tutorial, I now need to compile a kernel driver, and I can not find the kernel source package, I did 'apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r)' and that comes up blank, any Ideas as to where to find the kernel source package for my system? May 02 21:01:56 this is the output of uname -a, Linux omap 3.2.0-psp6 #1 Thu Mar 22 04:30:37 UTC 2012 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux May 02 21:09:26 timholum, it's external.. May 02 21:09:48 it's hosted as a script here: https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/tree/am33x-v3.2 May 02 21:10:31 fingers crossed, it'll be mainline 3.5/3.6 May 02 22:17:13 hmm... does someone know, where i could get a flashbinary for the arm-architecture? May 02 22:18:00 android-one does not work, because of too many android-specific libraries May 02 22:19:04 you stuck with gnash or lightspark May 02 22:21:05 if your on omap, ti has one you can register/download.. haven't tried it but i know it's there.. May 02 22:22:30 how do i check if it is an omap? May 02 22:22:41 what processor are you running on? May 02 22:22:46 * XorA sees 12.04 LTS spash on beagleXM May 02 22:23:01 or even what board? May 02 22:23:54 rcn-ee, http://paste.ubuntu.com/963425/ May 02 22:24:10 it is an ti evalboard May 02 22:24:24 well, you can't tel from that paste.. May 02 22:24:39 i thought so too =) May 02 22:24:40 if it's an ti eval board, it would fall under the omap family/subfmaily May 02 22:25:06 what does omap mean? May 02 22:25:18 OMAP is TI's family of ARM SoCs. May 02 22:25:43 omap and whatever catalogue call theres this week :-D May 02 22:25:50 for us, run under the "mach-omap2" kernel. ;) May 02 22:25:53 ok, it is an omap-board May 02 22:25:57 OMAP3 is what one finds on the Beagleboard, and in many phones and tablets out there, OMAP4 is on the Panda, and some other shiny hardware (like the Kindle Fire), OMAP5 is their new Cortex-A15 SoC... May 02 22:26:52 my board is a ti8148evm May 02 22:26:56 mythos, found it.. http://www.ti.com/tool/adobeflash-a8 good luck, there's an x11 bin, haven't ever tried it.. May 02 22:26:58 im going to look in the specs May 02 22:27:22 ah, with the reorg, that is now in the 'omap buisiness unit'. ;) May 02 22:27:28 omg, thank you rcn-ee =D May 02 22:29:06 rcn-ee: I love that TI has been re-orging for at least 5 years now :-D May 02 22:29:36 XorA, when i was at the ti summit last week, for the sitara group, it's like the 3rd time this year already. ;) May 02 22:29:37 kinda like put all their staff in a giant tombola and see where they fall out May 02 22:29:56 * XorA feels lucky MIS is pretty stable May 02 22:30:42 side note, the reason for the mess of the am335x upstream status makes perfect sense.. there's no dev in that team yet. ;) May 02 22:32:33 * XorA has a login screen woo woo May 02 23:17:11 has anyone used perf on 12.04/omap4 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:01 2012