**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:59 2012 May 07 07:47:04 hi guys, q quick question, where is rootstock for precise? there is something I missed? May 07 07:50:12 angeloc: rootstock is deprecated May 07 07:50:40 great! cannot find any documentation, can you point me in the right direction? thanks! May 07 07:51:08 angeloc: the various ancestors/successors are debootstrap, the linaro tools and live-build May 07 07:51:38 angeloc: after all, rootstock was mostly debootstrap+qemu+magic May 07 07:52:33 http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/twb-bootstrap is what I'm doing May 07 07:52:45 I can't remember if I got cross-arch building working May 07 07:53:07 multistrap claims to be better than debootstrap for that, I'm not 100% convinced May 07 07:57:20 LetoThe2nd, twb: sorry for not understanding. I used rootstock so many that I cannot live without it, you are saying me that from precise on, I have to fight with three different tools and crying all day? May 07 07:58:02 "magic" isn't a tool, it's unicorn tears May 07 07:59:36 angeloc: no, thats not what i said. May 07 08:00:19 LetoThe2nd: so what is the best approach to emulate rootstock simplicity? May 07 08:00:39 angeloc: to read the very first sentence in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock May 07 08:01:54 LetoThe2nd: live-build isnot nearly as simple as rootstock May 07 08:02:44 angeloc: then either use a) ubuntu-core or b) continue to use rootstock and ignore deprecation. May 07 08:02:47 LetoThe2nd: with rootstock i squeezed really small and functional images for some of my jobs May 07 08:03:00 angeloc: or c) make your way and script live-build May 07 08:04:13 live-build is definitely hard to get started with May 07 08:04:49 #debian-live have been talking about writing a replacement in Python to clean up the mess, but I don't think that effort will start until Debian 7 is released May 07 08:05:57 I cannot comment on rootstock, but if you study my minimalist script it should give you an idea of the techniques that all of these software employ; you can then roll your own script to do exactly what you want, and no more May 07 08:06:17 ...or use rootstock, or suck it up and learn live-build. I don't care either way. May 07 08:08:28 LetoThe2nd, twb: i think that deprecating rootstock was a wicked choice, i will use ubuntu-core, but i will have to write an amount of scripts to automatically installe required software into the image May 07 08:09:00 angeloc: if you don't like it, you can adopt rootstock yourself May 07 08:09:21 Personally I've never had any involvement in rootstock and I don't care to May 07 08:09:28 angeloc: too bad the person worth addressing is not here at the moment. but as usual - its open source, go do whatever you like. just don't copmlain if other people don't do your work for free. May 07 08:09:50 LetoThe2nd, twb: rootstock was unmaintained? i want to help for sure! May 07 08:10:37 angeloc: rootstock has been marked deprecated for at least one year. i guess the person who did it had good reasons. May 07 08:10:49 rsalveti: ping, can you maybe comment? May 07 08:10:52 LetoThe2nd, twb: i don't want to complaing anything, simply rootstock was really helpfull and a great valuable tool May 07 08:11:05 In this case deprecated = unmaintained May 07 08:11:49 The actual job of bootstrap+qemu is not really that hard May 07 08:12:10 it's just because we're not using anymore for any reason, we're using live-build with qemu May 07 08:12:15 to cross assemble the images May 07 08:12:28 LetoThe2nd, twb: i'm really curios on the why rootstock was deprecated, i'll try to contact salveti May 07 08:12:55 angeloc: probably because nobody gave a shit anymore and was what they had switched to May 07 08:13:01 it goes more with the "ubuntu way" May 07 08:14:11 and nowadays we also have the ubuntu-core tarball May 07 08:14:17 depending on how you're planning to use it May 07 08:14:24 angeloc: no need to, he's here, alive and klicking already :) May 07 08:17:10 http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/fboudra/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=tree;f=precise-armhf-ubuntu-desktop;hb=HEAD May 07 08:17:20 here's how we're building our linaro ubuntu desktop based image May 07 08:17:32 it's not that hard, you just need to write down the scripts correctly May 07 08:18:02 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: thanks, i'll give a look May 07 08:20:49 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: more complicated than rootstock, but feasible May 07 08:21:26 I think we could create a simple interface for live-build if necessary, at least to be as easy as rootstock May 07 08:22:55 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i will be glad to help! why rootstock was deprecated? May 07 08:23:38 angeloc: simply because we started using live-build and I personally didn't have time to keep it uptodated May 07 08:24:09 and we had a few bugs with it, mostly related with qemu + mono before mono was dropped from the desktop May 07 08:24:24 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i can keep on with rootstock if there is intrest May 07 08:25:36 while I'd prefer moving to a live-build based solution, I'm not against someone else to maintain it, if we have people interested on it still May 07 08:27:00 angeloc: you can simply create your own bzr branch of it, and make it work again May 07 08:27:00 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: i'm using it on lucid for long time and i know of people and companies using it May 07 08:27:14 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: for me, it works really well! May 07 08:27:28 then I can try to have a look to merge all the code, and then add you to the maintainers group May 07 08:27:48 there are a few bugs and merge proposals to be reviewed as well May 07 08:31:48 LetoThe2nd, twb, rsalveti: well, fantastic, i'm active in other ubuntu projects, but not as a maintainer, really happy! Can I look at these works before accepting (to see if it's feasible)? May 07 08:32:33 angeloc: you can find the project at https://launchpad.net/project-rootstock May 07 08:32:39 angeloc: please stop addressing me by name; I've stopped caring about your issue. May 07 08:32:45 the are questions, merge proposals, bugs, everything :-) May 07 08:32:55 rsalveti: ok, simply the rootstock page on launchpad May 07 08:39:35 rsalveti: ok, i think it feasible! honestly, do you think it's better to continue rootstock development or switch to a more userfriendly frontend for live build? May 07 08:40:02 rsalveti: i'm really intresting help ubuntu! May 07 08:40:52 angeloc: it's a lot easier to fix rootstock, fixing or creating something based on live build seems to be better for long term, but would require more time to invest on it May 07 08:51:36 rsalveti: ok, I think that it's better starting with something done, on the way when i 'll learn something more, i'll start a new project May 07 08:57:43 rsalveti: linaro has linaro-media-create May 07 09:27:47 rsalveti: rootstock is a bash script, maybe could better to start a python live-build interface for the near future ... May 07 13:39:30 i'm new to embedded world and i have a mx52 freescale board with their image with uboot and ubuntu 10.04. this image boot into x by default and i needed it to boot into command line. can someone help me? May 07 13:39:55 s/mx52/mx53 May 07 13:40:52 coelhao: "x" in ubuntu 10.04 is started by the /etc/init.d/gdm script May 07 13:41:45 coelhao: if you want to prevent gdm from starting you can a) uninstall it May 07 13:44:12 xranby, i already tried it but i get a black screen. and i would prefer not to. how can i change the runlevel? May 07 13:49:36 coelhao: the console are mostly a black screen... you can change runlevel using telinit May 07 13:50:13 telinit 3 switched to runlevel 3 May 07 13:50:16 switches May 07 13:51:52 xranby, yes, but the prompt didn't appear. but i would like to boot it into text mode. not change the runlevel after i boot into graphical mode May 07 13:53:40 coelhao: to get a prompt check that your system starts a getty (login) on your tty May 07 13:53:51 coelhao: /etc/init/tty1.conf May 07 13:54:40 coelhao: http://paste.ubuntu.com/973578/ May 07 13:55:41 xranby, it's equal to mine May 07 13:57:07 coelhao: can you try press ctrl+alt+f1 and check if you arrive at the tty1 login prompt on your mx52 board May 07 13:58:58 xranby, sure. yes, i go to the tty1 May 07 14:02:38 coelhao: unless gdm starts you should arrive at this tty1 on bootup.. sorry i am not sure why your system presents you at a different tty on bootup May 07 14:04:01 xranby, thank you very much anyway! May 07 14:23:47 rsalveti: is there a tutorial or somthing like that to build an arm image with ? May 07 14:23:58 rsalveti: live-build? May 07 16:09:54 cooloney: hey bud May 07 16:10:03 fyi, for anyone interested in lcd panels for beagle and panda, tincantools now has lvds lcd kits in stock - http://tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16165&cat=0&page=1&featured May 07 16:10:40 prpplague: hey, man, why not come to Oakland for Ubuntu developer summit May 07 16:11:00 when is it? May 07 16:11:07 yeah, jump on your bocycle and come over :P May 07 16:11:12 * prpplague isn't really a ubuntu developer May 07 16:11:14 *bicycle May 07 16:11:38 prpplague, it just starts May 07 16:11:43 ahh May 07 16:11:50 * prpplague has too much to do right now May 07 16:12:04 pfft, excuses, excuses May 07 16:12:11 := May 07 16:12:12 * GrueMaster wishes he was in Oakland right now. May 07 16:12:12 :) May 07 16:12:34 you are missed here May 07 16:23:34 GrueMaster: miss you, man May 07 16:23:54 cooloney: I miss me too. May 07 19:46:52 prpplague: go to HongKong for Linaro Connect than ;D May 07 19:47:22 hrw: yea i wanted to May 07 19:47:29 hrw: couldnt swing it on the budget May 07 19:49:30 understood May 07 19:54:40 hrw: would be a good trip too May 07 21:13:45 ndec, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-drop-preinst-images in case you are intrested May 07 21:17:25 ogra_: Why? Because they can't test them? May 07 21:20:50 * GrueMaster remembers he no longer cares, wanders off again. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 08 03:00:01 2012