**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 22 02:59:59 2012 May 22 12:08:09 ogra_: is 12.04 ubuntu arm reliable on the pandaboard ? May 22 12:08:32 why would we release an unreliable product ? :) May 22 12:08:52 happened in the past few times... May 22 12:08:58 ?? May 22 12:09:13 what makes you think this May 22 12:09:37 all of the ubuntu archive is built on pandas ... running an ubuntu image as the ones we release May 22 12:09:55 if that would be unstable we would surely notice May 22 12:10:58 and all ubuntu devs use the recent images for development as well .... May 22 12:11:02 sorry for that opinion, but that is based on technically broken experiences. May 22 12:11:16 what was broken ? May 22 12:11:26 ogra_: seems you've run out of them, so here's one: ><)))'> May 22 12:11:38 lol May 22 12:11:57 now i know why we invented MaaS specifically to please LetoTheII May 22 12:12:00 :) May 22 12:12:16 ogra_: must be a typo, its usually called a maß. May 22 12:12:38 ogra_: where can I find an ubuntu arm build ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM May 22 12:12:39 LetoTheII, MaaS ... -> Metal as a Service May 22 12:12:42 ;) May 22 12:12:51 ogra_: ah that one ;) May 22 12:13:14 djszapi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP May 22 12:15:06 ogra_: for making sure: this one, right ? 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD May 22 12:15:15 ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/116342914382999178679/116342914382999178679/posts/P2FSSisAeo5 May 22 12:15:36 hmm, nope... May 22 12:15:38 djszapi, after you soldered the additional registers ontp your panda SoC, yes :P May 22 12:15:43 *onto May 22 12:15:52 perhaps Preinstalled desktop image May 22 12:16:01 ogra_: sorry ?? May 22 12:16:17 well, amd64 wont run on 32 bit arm :) May 22 12:16:46 LetoTheII, LOL May 22 12:16:52 Texas Instruments OMAP4 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image -> Perhaps, this is what I need. May 22 12:17:17 right May 22 12:17:33 or the server version, depends how and what you want to install May 22 12:18:14 just a business specific daemon May 22 12:18:27 that is run from an upstart job after the boot. May 22 12:18:46 nothing else, really. May 22 12:18:54 daemon listens to the serial port. May 22 12:18:56 then take the server install May 22 12:19:12 smaller footprint .... unless you actually need a desktop May 22 12:19:40 note though that the server install completely runs on the serial console, you need a serial cable May 22 12:19:58 then it is a big no go May 22 12:20:11 I occasionally need to have an access through the ethernet May 22 12:20:23 during the install ? May 22 12:20:26 why ? May 22 12:20:36 I do not need install at all May 22 12:20:41 ?? May 22 12:20:48 I mentioned "preinstalled" stuff above May 22 12:20:57 that still runs the installer May 22 12:21:01 huh ? May 22 12:21:11 how else would you get a proper setup of the system May 22 12:21:29 you need a user, timezone, kbd, language etc configured May 22 12:21:40 obviously default could work May 22 12:21:48 and no, that is not install, but mostly setup May 22 12:22:07 well, however you want to call it, it is set up by the installer May 22 12:22:22 which runs on the serial console May 22 12:22:25 why would be installer on a preinstalled image ? Sounds very scary. May 22 12:22:41 preinstalled just means you have a preinstalled rootfs May 22 12:22:52 setup manager, ok, but installer on a preinstalled stuff makes no sense May 22 12:22:54 it is completely unconfigured without the installer bits being run May 22 12:23:28 well, the app doing the configuration is called debian-installer/ubiquity ... May 22 12:23:54 well I definitely do not wanna have installer on my system May 22 12:24:01 so I need an image which does not /not/ ship that. May 22 12:24:03 its exactly the same as every other ubuntu installer, it just doesnt partition anything nor does copy any packages May 22 12:24:20 you *need* the installer May 22 12:24:30 then it is broken by design (TM) May 22 12:24:33 else you end up with a brokenly configured system May 22 12:24:35 no May 22 12:24:43 that *is* the desigbn May 22 12:25:06 I need a configuration or setup manager, but I do not know why I would need an installer on a preinstalled system May 22 12:25:10 that is a brain damaged idea. May 22 12:25:15 a system needs a certain amount of configuration to run properlay May 22 12:25:47 that configuartion is part of debian-installer in all debian and ubuntu systems May 22 12:26:01 configuration != install May 22 12:26:21 configuration is *part* of the installation May 22 12:26:34 that is a broken design IMO May 22 12:26:41 I can configure my system *anytime* after installing that May 22 12:26:42 and it would be braindead to not use the existing, tested and proven tools for it May 22 12:26:45 without having an installer. May 22 12:27:15 that would be as brain dead as much it is to hard wire into the installer without *clear* separation May 22 12:27:28 how are you sure you configurede it right without reading tons of source code to see you have all the necessary bits enabled in your manual config ? May 22 12:28:02 every bit in the installer chnages and gets adjusted to the new requirements of a new release May 22 12:28:30 so how do you know what to configure and how if you dont look at the source of the tools doing that initial setup May 22 12:29:16 (or by using the tools in an initial setup app that makes use of teh instzaller bits in question) May 22 12:30:34 all preinstalled images always used the installer to do this initial setup ... and there is no sane way around this if you want a properly configured install in the end May 22 12:31:17 the only difference to a normal install is that the unconfigured rootfs is preinstalled instead of being copied in place by the installer May 22 12:31:30 thus the name May 22 12:32:01 I dislike this design, sorry. May 22 12:32:15 well, its the only possible design May 22 12:32:23 eevrything else would be nonsense May 22 12:32:33 no, it is of course not May 22 12:32:44 ? May 22 12:32:46 the configuration manager should be a totally separate project from the installer May 22 12:32:54 why ? May 22 12:32:56 and ofc the "live install stuff" could use that. May 22 12:33:03 it does May 22 12:33:08 so could anything else. May 22 12:33:20 90% of the installer is the configuration part May 22 12:33:30 10% are partitioning and copying May 22 12:33:35 so ?? May 22 12:33:52 peinstalled images just omit the partitioning and copying ... May 22 12:33:57 say, an application frontend is 10% May 22 12:34:00 and the library is 90% May 22 12:34:07 would you pay a fulltime person to maintain a separate config tool ? May 22 12:34:09 you are essentially saying they should not be decoupled. May 22 12:34:18 just *because* ? May 22 12:34:54 instead of just making use of the existing, proven and well maintained configuration tool that exists since 15 years ? May 22 12:35:20 why would they need to be decoupled ? May 22 12:35:29 you can omit the parts you dont need May 22 12:35:38 ok, you lost me May 22 12:35:48 they dont eat any space and dotn do any harm May 22 12:38:07 anyway, since you dont like the design, you will be pleased to hear that we drop preinstalled images this cycle May 22 12:40:35 not sure what that means... May 22 12:40:53 that there wont be any preinstalled images anymore for Q May 22 12:41:35 you will have to d a full install like on x86/amd64/powerpc May 22 12:42:26 I would need to do the install over serial console anyway May 22 12:42:32 I am just not sure the server edition is good fit May 22 12:42:39 Ubuntu was not meant for server purposes May 22 12:42:52 and is not used widely like other specialized server distributions May 22 12:43:00 so I would trust the quality of the desktop version MUCH more even if I do not need UI May 22 12:43:13 WHAT ?!? May 22 12:43:29 ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world May 22 12:43:48 *cloud May 22 12:44:13 I am not sure what to take this comment for...perhaps biasment. May 22 12:44:28 and the difference between the preinstalled server and desktop images is simply the omission of xorg and ubuntu-desktop on server May 22 12:45:17 well, the desktop edition should fit for 4 GB Kingston usb pendrive I guess... May 22 12:45:25 or even for 4 GB Kingston SD card... May 22 12:45:47 right, server will fit into 2G ... and even less if you remove the included repo May 22 12:46:09 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ -> this is a mess May 22 12:46:16 very hard to find which usb iso I need in few seconds May 22 12:46:56 I do have 4 GB stuff, so should not be a biggy anyway... May 22 12:47:01 * ogra_ thinks he has fed the troll enough for today May 22 12:48:53 there is no other way than grabbing the preinstalled images anyway... May 22 12:49:24 you can use a netboot install image May 22 12:49:41 meh May 22 12:49:59 but anyway... i'll go and do some actual work May 22 12:54:14 have fun May 22 12:54:46 more than being ranted at for sure :P May 22 12:55:03 huh ? May 22 12:55:35 I told my sincere opinion about the modularization issue, that is all. May 22 12:55:46 you do not need to think the same. May 22 12:56:31 things like "ubuntu is the #1 could server distro in the world" would not just make me laugh btw =] May 22 13:07:55 Booting the image... Open a terminal on your host system and launch a serial console monitor with the port set for 115200,n,8,1 May 22 13:07:58 Screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 May 22 13:07:59 this does not work for me. May 22 13:08:09 I see no relevant things inside the screen session, really. May 22 13:09:51 works fine here, is your serial device actually ttyUSB0 ? May 22 13:09:55 (check dmesg) May 22 13:10:37 yep May 22 13:11:09 I am getting a root console May 22 13:13:27 http://paste.kde.org/484262/ -> and even this behind minicom... May 22 13:13:38 I can only configure this stuff over gui ? :( May 22 13:14:10 is that the server image ? May 22 13:14:19 no May 22 13:14:41 well, then get a monitor, mouse and kbd, the desktop installer is fully graphical May 22 13:15:06 meh May 22 13:15:20 thing is, I need qt core anyway which depends on X anyway May 22 13:15:24 thats why i told you to get the server image in the beginniong May 22 13:15:47 well, then just use a monitor and input devices May 22 13:16:14 this is a shame ubuntu-arm desktop cannot be configured over serial console. May 22 13:16:27 thats a design decision May 22 13:16:58 a bad one May 22 13:17:31 well, it makes sure your monitor and input devices work before even bothering to run the installation May 22 13:17:48 and we provide -server for eaxactly that gap May 22 13:18:07 ogra_: makes no sense May 22 13:18:14 qt core depends on X. May 22 13:18:26 djszapi, why do you use ubuntu at all if all you can do is rant ? May 22 13:18:27 and you can run a daemon fired up without using keyboard or mouse May 22 13:18:28 or whatever May 22 13:19:04 go and use angstrom, or linaro, there are fine images for it on the panda May 22 13:19:14 or debian May 22 13:19:28 ogra_: but thats not so shiny hf. May 22 13:19:37 debian is :) May 22 13:19:58 oh cool, lets go on ranting there then! May 22 13:20:22 they dont have a desktop image that uses mouse and monitor ! May 22 13:20:23 ogra_: I do not really understand why your turn my opinion into "ranting". May 22 13:20:31 I cannot say what I honestly think about certain things ? May 22 13:20:38 you* May 22 13:20:44 djszapi, because i have to defned all my work all day since you showed up here May 22 13:21:27 that does not translate here. May 22 13:21:31 its getting tiring to be told that everything me and my team worked on for the last three years is crap, bad design or that i'm telling lies May 22 13:21:32 defend May 22 13:21:52 ogra_: and usually its me telling you this! :)( May 22 13:22:13 av500, yeah, but your rants i'm used to, thats different :P May 22 13:22:18 ogra_: do you seriously think we discussed all the things ? May 22 13:22:27 you worked on the last three years ? May 22 13:22:35 no modularization, yes bad design, many people think that including me May 22 13:22:39 obviously he does not work much... May 22 13:22:46 not having serial port setup opportunity is bad design as well May 22 13:22:49 how could he, spending all the time on irc May 22 13:22:51 *plop* prost. May 22 13:22:54 many people would think t hat way including me. May 22 13:23:08 having to handle people like you... May 22 13:23:50 djszapi, you have no clue what yuo are ranting about either it seems, debian-installer is fully modular (else we wouldnt be able to only use the configuration bits of it) May 22 13:24:16 *you* told that it is hard wired to the installer May 22 13:24:57 i just said preinstalled uses the installer and omits the bits it doesnt need for maintenance reasons May 22 13:25:42 my crystal-spice-ball thinks he wants a fancy tool to automagically create the ubuntu thing he'd like. like some schimaera of narcissus, live-build and some me(n)tal brain interface. May 22 13:26:20 ogra_: yes, it is: I need A, but add A+B because I do not have time to maintain. May 22 13:26:32 even that, it does not make B necessary for me. May 22 13:26:32 LetoTheII, no, he just doesnt listen after asking what image he should take and then rants if the image he cose against good advice doesnt do what he wants May 22 13:26:48 *chose May 22 13:26:56 that is another borked idea May 22 13:27:10 ogra_: oh come on, you are not actually telling me that my crystal ball is lying to me? May 22 13:27:13 to not be able to *configure* a preinstall desktop image over serial console. May 22 13:27:26 preinstalled* May 22 13:27:36 djszapi, i told you how May 22 13:28:09 but then you accused me of lying which somehwat killed my enthusiasm of wanting to help you May 22 13:28:52 I think you take my opinion too personal. May 22 13:29:45 well, its my work you are constantly citicizing and there are very good reasons for every single decision you called wrong May 22 13:30:52 yes, *you* like that way. May 22 13:31:00 no May 22 13:31:09 ok, you do not like that way :D May 22 13:31:32 i just implemented what was discussed at lenght at several UDSes with the community, vendors and other devs May 22 13:32:14 so if I think differently I am not part of the community ? May 22 13:32:32 I am sure there are people thinking that in the "community" it is suboptimal this way. May 22 13:32:44 so you perhaps agreed upon with part of the community. May 22 13:33:07 up to you ... UDS is open for everyone to participate in each single session May 22 13:33:30 nobody sponsores my expensive flight tickets, so I cannot, sorry. May 22 13:34:01 ?? May 22 13:34:31 there is no neede to attend in person to participate, we have 1000s of users participating remotely May 22 13:35:29 anyway, everything you ranted about will be gone with quantal May 22 13:35:56 if you think my opinion is "ranting", what can I do :D May 22 13:36:04 rant less May 22 13:36:08 :) May 22 13:36:30 av500: well you apparently agreed upon the "bad one" May 22 13:36:32 with me. May 22 13:36:40 so I do not understand why you changed your mind in a second :) May 22 13:39:58 ogra_: good advice for the future: do not take opinions that hard :) May 22 14:07:57 howdy. does the oneiric installer image have accounts enabled for console login? May 22 14:08:12 i would like to interrupt the installer and fiddle with things myself May 22 14:08:40 no, there are no accounts until the installer did its job of creating them May 22 14:08:54 Guess I'll wait. May 22 14:08:58 oh well :) May 22 14:08:59 what exacrtly are you trying to do ? May 22 14:09:18 ogra_: i have an existing ubuntu installation on an external drive May 22 14:09:23 my boot media got screwed up May 22 14:09:29 ah May 22 14:09:48 so i booted the installer and now I want to get back to my old install without waiting another hour :) May 22 14:10:06 so your rootfs is on different media ? May 22 14:10:20 yes May 22 14:10:50 you can take the installer, edit boot.scr on teh first partition and add break=premount to the kernel cmdline May 22 14:11:10 yeah that would require a machine i could do that from, heh... May 22 14:11:17 then mount your rootfs, chroot into it, adjust /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel May 22 14:11:21 we'll see May 22 14:11:24 ogra_: right May 22 14:11:27 the latter will update the vfat on the SD card May 22 14:11:47 with kernel, initrd and boot.scr from /boot of your rootfs May 22 14:12:27 http://paste.kde.org/484298/ -> is this output normal in minicom while configuring ? May 22 14:12:52 funky that, how many countries are missing in there. May 22 14:13:13 Finland, UK, Hungary, what not... May 22 14:14:20 hey, all, is there any ubuntu support A8 CPU, like samsung s5pc110? May 22 14:15:41 jackh, can you be more specific ? ubuntu has images for omap3, omap4, freescale mx5, the toshiba ac100 netbook and a bunch of arm server architectures May 22 14:16:50 ogra_: its the samsung A8, s5pc110 May 22 14:17:11 not sure, it might be that #linaro has images for that May 22 14:17:18 ubuntu definitely doesnt May 22 14:18:56 ogra_: linaro supports some A9 systems May 22 14:19:11 and a8 too May 22 14:19:26 not sure the s5pc110 is among them though May 22 14:19:45 ogra_: you sure? i will go to check May 22 14:19:58 yeah, ask in #linaro May 22 14:20:15 i'm sure ubuntu and linaro both support everything thats ARMv7 May 22 14:20:36 which inclused cortex-a8 and -a9 May 22 14:21:15 *includes May 22 14:22:35 ogra_: if i want to build a ubuntu from scratch, how to? May 22 14:22:53 any ideas why I am getting the one fourth size of the fullscreen in minicom for controlling my pandaboard with this ubuntu image ? May 22 14:23:43 jackh, define "built from scratch" you mean assembling your own image from ubuntu binaries from the archive ? or do you mean "build completely from source" May 22 14:24:51 ogra_: hmm...i think i need to do the collecting images of binaries first, then i will thinking of builing from source May 22 14:25:17 give up on the latter ... May 22 14:25:30 thats a huge task and you need a lot of infrastructure May 22 14:26:06 ubuntu is a binary distro, its not designed to be rolled from source like i.e. gentoo or angstrom May 22 14:26:28 well, certain parts can be built from source May 22 14:26:39 sometimes, there is not even another solution around, if something is not packaged. May 22 14:26:41 for the image stuff you can start from ubuntu-core, note though that there is nothing configured in this tarball May 22 14:26:53 you should know exaxctly what you are doing if you want to use it May 22 14:27:16 (it is designed essentially as a base for IVI images) May 22 14:28:32 ogra_: what's IVI means? May 22 14:29:06 jackh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-vehicle_infotainment May 22 14:29:06 ogra_: is there a wiki to show me how to build a customized distro? May 22 14:29:10 in vehicle infotainment May 22 14:29:19 ogra_: thx! May 22 14:29:31 they usually use very special rootfses that dont have a user etc May 22 14:30:05 jackh: what do you need to customize ? May 22 14:31:06 djszapi, ogra_, what comes to me is if i want to get a distro for s5pc110, then 90% of the images are the same with other A8 systems May 22 14:31:34 yes May 22 14:31:42 djszapi: ogra_, the only different is graffics and maybe some other perfics May 22 14:32:22 yes, but cannot you just install the relevant packages and load the relevant modules ? May 22 14:32:22 jackh, well, its usually bootloader and kernel thats different, yes May 22 14:32:31 I mean, why do you need a customized distribution for that ? May 22 14:34:11 djszapi: the customized here is just means the graffic and some perfics, not mean the software modules May 22 14:34:37 right. May 22 14:35:15 I would check out the site of the custom periferia vendor. May 22 14:35:48 djszapi: could you share me the link? May 22 14:35:52 that is what I also did with my toughbook, and I were able the touchscreen and digitizer drivers in there almost properly. May 22 14:36:10 I do not know what periferia you are interested in, but just type the stuff to google :) May 22 14:36:29 djszapi: ok... May 22 14:36:31 (if it is not supported out of the box) May 22 14:37:07 djszapi: someone did a 9.0.4 distro for this cpu May 22 14:37:22 djszapi: now i want some 11.10 for it May 22 14:38:13 I see. May 22 14:39:10 I would base the customized image on the top of the ubuntu image. May 22 14:39:11 djszapi: so which cpu are you working on now? May 22 14:39:16 that is what I also do with my product. May 22 14:39:31 I use pandaboard at the moment. May 22 14:40:41 that is using A9 cortex. May 22 14:42:15 djszapi: you lucky, panda is just supported by linaro May 22 14:43:02 I do not use the linary support. May 22 14:43:38 djszapi: why?? May 22 14:43:53 I like sticking with vanilla things as much as possible. May 22 14:44:33 djszapi: vanilla? seems like some version name? May 22 14:44:52 I mean upstream without modification May 22 14:45:11 jackh: vanilla as in the most basic ice cream flavor May 22 14:45:53 av500: ya, it tastes just wonderful May 22 14:47:09 djszapi: so i guess what you do is: first get the upstream ubuntu distro of omap4, then do some driver and udev modification? May 22 14:47:34 jackh: I just install qt core and then my daemon May 22 14:47:56 as for the toughbook, I have had a patch against the wacom driver to get the touch and digitizer work, and then I add my UI application in there. May 22 14:48:28 djszapi: got it May 22 14:48:47 and then I make a dd for the sdcard into a custom img May 22 14:48:56 and then I can replicate that to any sdcard, and I have a backup May 22 14:49:50 djszapi: seems like some product level stuff May 22 14:50:17 yep May 22 15:02:54 ogra_: do you have any ideas for this packaging issue ? http://paste.kde.org/484334/ May 22 15:03:17 trying to package the project on the pandaboard itself. May 22 15:03:48 ogra_: the control file is simply this: http://paste.kde.org/484340/ May 22 15:04:33 you miss a comma in your build deps May 22 15:04:52 oh I am blind, thanks :D May 22 15:16:06 ogra_: it hands always here, but not sure why :o May 22 15:16:08 http://paste.kde.org/484352/ May 22 15:17:08 find out why that space is missing on the last two lines May 22 15:18:29 what space ? May 22 15:18:58 -O--parallel misses a space May 22 15:19:39 I use the stock debhelper from ubuntu 12.04 May 22 15:21:02 it seems to be a bug then in the tool. My rules file is quite simple and do not touch those. May 22 15:21:48 http://paste.kde.org/484364/ May 22 15:22:42 * ogra_ would try dropping the --parallel May 22 15:23:08 I have just tried that May 22 15:23:12 but it is still hanging there May 22 15:23:18 so probably missing space is a no issue May 22 15:24:27 so I was initially getting this: http://paste.kde.org/484376/ May 22 15:25:02 perhaps it is because of the timezone May 22 15:25:09 I was not able to select Helsinki during the server configuration. May 22 15:25:21 simply, there was no such an item. May 22 15:26:44 set to Helsinki with /etc/timezone May 22 15:26:52 how can I set this to human readable ? date May 22 15:26:54 ג' מאי 22 19:56:19 AFT 2012 May 22 15:26:57 I mean to ascii :) May 22 16:45:28 that's better :) May 22 16:45:35 ogra_: seen one of these yet? http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/via-launch-a-49-android-pc-20120522/ May 22 16:45:56 wow thats like the 10th post about that in 20 minutes May 22 16:46:06 or this http://olimex.com/dev/imx233-olinuxino-micro.html May 22 16:46:21 highvoltage, oh my, another ARM11 May 22 16:46:42 nothing for ubuntu May 22 16:48:04 ogra_: ah May 22 16:48:17 * highvoltage gets horribly confused with the arm versions May 22 16:48:33 I need to read the wikipedia page on arm versions every few weeks to refresh :) May 22 16:48:34 see topic ;) May 22 16:48:44 thats why we have it there May 22 16:50:14 * prpplague throws old arm boards at ogra_ like ninja throwing stars May 22 16:50:34 * ogra_ ducks behind a boxed ubuntu May 22 16:51:02 ogra_: gave up on getting ubuntu running on that toshiba satelite, had to return it May 22 16:51:10 oh May 22 16:51:12 ogra_: gotta find another laptop this weekend though :( May 22 16:51:14 sad May 22 16:51:34 ogra_: yea apparently there is some serious bios issues that make it totally unusable for linux May 22 16:51:53 * prpplague has to troll the support channels to find a good laptop for ubuntu May 22 16:51:54 https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ May 22 16:52:17 ogra_: dandy! May 22 16:52:39 there is also an older laptop project page somewhere on the ubuntu wiki May 22 16:55:45 ogra_: hehe i still have my panda netbook, i ment to give it away ages ago May 22 16:56:07 ogra_: my daughter has been using it May 22 16:56:11 heh May 22 16:56:22 * ogra_ still works on a stack of ac100 netbooks May 22 16:56:27 * prpplague needs to build another May 22 16:56:48 i guess i could build one with the pixel qi display May 22 16:56:55 ++ May 22 16:57:00 ogra_: wasnt friendly being canned? May 22 16:57:09 prpplague: get a thinkpad May 22 16:57:22 av500, i dont think so, but i'm not sure May 22 16:57:37 av500: i'll have a look at the prices May 22 16:57:44 there were some discussions at UDS but i cant attend all sessions :) May 22 16:57:48 av500: i need something cheap, as it will be dedicated for a specific use May 22 16:58:13 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTI May 22 16:58:20 inb4: yes, moronix :) May 22 16:59:06 * highvoltage is kind of eyeing the new thinkpad X1 May 22 17:00:00 ogra_: well i would suspect the number of visitors is low because people didn't know about it May 22 17:00:04 i certainly didn't May 22 17:00:22 (it even contains an arm core along with the intel ones: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Hybrid/ ) May 22 17:00:41 (and it looks pretty sweet too: http://www.engadget.com/photos/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-carbon/#5020648 ) May 22 17:01:46 av500, aha, yeah, seems they look for community people to take over May 22 17:02:16 community will fix it :) May 22 17:02:20 prpplague, yeah, well, the lead dev did some blogposts when they started but it wasnt really made popular May 22 17:02:50 and she (being teh biggest driver) had to move to another team May 22 17:03:22 i dont think they actively want to tear it down though May 22 17:04:31 * ogra_ wrote the initial version of checkbox 7 years ago btw ... when i haded it over to someone else we threw away 7 mio datasets it had collected May 22 17:05:07 we would be far beyond smolt if we had actually had a backend for these huge masses of data we didnt expect May 22 23:32:38 how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 23 02:59:59 2012