**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 19 02:59:59 2012 Jun 19 12:17:56 infinity, I'll make some time this week for arm/mono, not sure I can get to the bottom of it though Jun 19 13:17:49 janimo, you mean you wont have it finished before the weekend ?!?! Jun 19 13:18:33 ogra_, yes. Poor users waiting to run banshee on raspberry pi will not have their pony Jun 19 13:19:08 * ogra_ shakes head .... Jun 19 13:19:19 especially the Pi people ! Jun 19 13:19:24 ogra_, how's dejasperification progressing? Still on track for 12.10? Jun 19 13:19:56 sure, livecd switch (apart from ac100 i think) is still in the plan Jun 19 13:20:09 that makes jasper obsolete Jun 19 13:20:13 ok Jun 19 13:20:15 hm Jun 19 13:20:36 is there a blueprint on this change? Jun 19 13:20:40 though infinity would liek to keep preinstalled functional ... not sure he wants to keep jaspüer around for that though Jun 19 13:20:42 why not for ac100? Makes even more sense there than on panda & co. Although it is extra work Jun 19 13:21:03 right, its a matter of "does ogra find the time to work on it" :) Jun 19 13:21:13 it works as is atm Jun 19 13:21:28 ogra_, btw any luck with the new ac100 3.1 kernel in quantal? Jun 19 13:21:43 hmm, i might be running it, one sec, let me check Jun 19 13:21:44 I did not test with the armhf nvidia blobs Jun 19 13:22:16 hmm, no i dont Jun 19 13:22:25 * ogra_ will test that later today Jun 19 13:22:25 I only ask about the dejasperfication cause I have just started working on hacking up d-i for the tf201 Jun 19 13:22:48 lilstevie, there are like ten specs for it for the last 4 releases or so :) Jun 19 13:22:56 hah Jun 19 13:23:09 the current plan is to just switch to live images though Jun 19 13:23:15 * lilstevie has to admit that he doesn't go searching through launchpad very often Jun 19 13:23:24 since we do that for everything (alternate is gone) Jun 19 13:23:42 even server is a live image now Jun 19 13:24:03 ah Jun 19 13:25:04 well I was looking at live images, but from what I hear ubiquity does not support LVM yet Jun 19 13:25:30 right, xnox is working on that Jun 19 13:25:47 yeah, I heard that is planned for 12.10 Jun 19 13:25:52 thats the prereq. for dropping alternate (and the reason they still existed for A1) Jun 19 13:26:02 fair enough Jun 19 13:26:08 cause I rely on it Jun 19 13:26:28 I split the partition that normally contains /data to retain the ability to boot android Jun 19 13:26:52 right, if you have special setups or so, help xnox with testing his changes ;) Jun 19 13:26:57 works quite well Jun 19 13:27:00 but sure :) Jun 19 13:27:11 he is usually in #ubuntu-devel Jun 19 13:28:02 just joined Jun 19 13:31:59 lilstevie, how do you boot both android and ubuntu? Jun 19 13:32:08 did you not repartition anything on the tf101 for ubuntu? Jun 19 13:32:59 on the tf101 I had the ability to repartition the whole device safely because of using nvflash Jun 19 13:33:38 we do not have the same luxuries on the tf201 Jun 19 13:35:01 lilstevie, I thought the tf201 was the less restricted one? Jun 19 13:35:23 unlockable and all that Jun 19 13:35:53 unlockable but not unbrickable Jun 19 13:36:02 the bootloader unlock is nothing more than that Jun 19 14:23:19 can I dist-upgrade my shiny new panda from precise to quantal and expect it to still work afterwards? :-) Jun 19 14:54:24 Laney, you tell us ;) Jun 19 14:54:34 i doubt anyone has actively tested upgrading yet Jun 19 14:54:58 heh, might as well Jun 19 15:15:48 * ogra_ needs to clean a fan and will be offline for a while, disassembling HW Jun 19 15:44:17 ogra_: no good. hangs when booting the kernel :( Jun 19 15:44:33 ah, sad, probably fallout of the new flash-kernel Jun 19 15:44:47 how does it hang ? do you have a serial cable attached ? Jun 19 15:46:13 (so you can see if the kernel gets loaded at all etc) Jun 19 16:17:59 I am trying to make a 12.04 armel, I used qemu-debootstrap method, I get this , init: Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job Jun 19 16:18:23 ogra_: if you can tell me how to make it more verbose I will Jun 19 16:18:38 the last message I get is "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." Jun 19 16:20:40 this is on a gumstix Overo Jun 19 16:41:04 Laney: You will need to edit your boot.scr file. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/EditBootscr Jun 19 16:42:01 GrueMaster: thanks, what do I need to add? Jun 19 16:42:02 Add the "console=ttyO2" line, and remove the "quiet" part from the kernel boot parameters. Jun 19 16:42:30 ttyO2? Even if I already have serial working? Jun 19 16:42:56 This tells the kernel to spew console messages to the serial console. Jun 19 16:43:02 ah Jun 19 16:43:09 What you see now is from u-boot. Jun 19 16:43:19 also we were just talking in #ubuntu-desktop about DVI output on the desktop preinstalled image — do you know if that is supported and how to enable it if so? Jun 19 16:43:43 What board? Jun 19 16:43:49 panda es Jun 19 16:44:39 May need to muck with the kernel parameters. I think there is info on the pandaboard wiki (non-Ubuntu). See http://pandaboard.org Jun 19 16:44:54 OK I found something there. You think it will work? Jun 19 16:45:03 http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#How_do_I_enable_DVI_output.3F Jun 19 16:45:19 By default, the HDMI port should work. And if you use a DVI<>HDMI cable, you shouldn't have any problem. Jun 19 16:45:57 I haven't tried using the dvi port. Since I am no longer working on the project, I can only add help where I know how. Jun 19 16:46:32 I have HDMI<>DVI but there was no output Jun 19 16:46:44 nm, one problem at a time :-) Jun 19 16:47:04 (and I think Intel is blocking that web link for some reason) Jun 19 16:47:21 "add this to your bootargs: Jun 19 16:47:21 omapdss.def_disp=dvi " Jun 19 16:48:21 From what I know, the HDMI poirt is enabled by default in the 12.04 images, and should display on a DVI monitor just fine. But I haven't tested it since ~Beta 1. Jun 19 16:48:40 Beyond that, I can't help much. Sorry. Jun 19 16:48:43 np Jun 19 16:49:11 I have a panda ES at home, but I am not there, and when I am, I have little time for arm stuff anymore. Jun 19 16:59:59 Laney, different board (overo), different setup, but we had trouble with anything other than 1024*768, don't know if that helps at all Jun 19 17:00:17 ogra_, I got 6/1 odds, so I thought it was worth it... Jun 19 17:01:12 hey, quantal is working now! Jun 19 17:06:02 janimo: I may have the solution for mono/armel, I have my crack team of +1 guys implementing and testing it for me, so I don't have to. :P Jun 19 17:06:21 cvanvliet: It helps me feel less alone :P Jun 19 17:06:21 infinity, oh thanks :) Jun 19 17:06:27 janimo: (Looks like it's turning on ARMv6+ bits unconditionally because it's testing ASM on the buildd) Jun 19 17:06:37 Laneu lol Jun 19 17:06:40 grr Jun 19 17:06:47 janimo: Hence why it works in Debian (their buildds are armv5) Jun 19 17:07:45 infinity, good catch. So yet another case of assuming build arch = target arch Jun 19 17:08:47 janimo: Indeed. Jun 19 17:09:28 infinity, so I guess I can stop bootstraping armel chroots on armadaxp :) I was loath to dig out my panda from the drawer, the ac100 needs to be installed, scheat is down. Only after a while did I realise I have quad-cores at my disposal :) Jun 19 17:09:47 janimo: Some day, I would like you to look into VFP and HF on mono (remember that we're still building with vfp=none, wich is ridiculous), but that's less urgent than us just making it build at all. :P Jun 19 17:10:31 infinity, isn't VFP covered by upstream well? Or is this a "works for us (xamarin/android) and ubuntu has quirks" case too? Jun 19 17:10:55 janimo: I figure that'll be just enough distro work for you to remember you hate us, and go crying to Chris to never let me borrow you again. ;) Jun 19 17:11:14 I am not at all sad though we do not have mono in the default images anyomore :) Jun 19 17:11:31 janimo: And I'm not sure what the current state is. I know Debian and Ubuntu both disable the VFP bits on both armel and armhf, and there must have been a reason... Jun 19 17:12:15 I am trying to do distro work (armadaxp kernel maint should qualify as that at this point), I just hate fixing the same type of bugs over and over again :( Jun 19 17:12:46 Well, I could find you new and exciting bugs. Jun 19 17:12:46 RAOF said he was going to look at HF on mono Jun 19 17:13:05 because it's currently terribly broken (no p/invoke) even though it does build Jun 19 17:13:19 Laney: THat's different. Jun 19 17:13:32 Laney: That's that it's broken in its current state, even without VFP/HF. Jun 19 17:13:48 yes Jun 19 17:13:56 I am saying that he might care to look at this too. Jun 19 17:14:13 Though, if he plans to turn on some HF ABI madness while sorting out popen, sure. Jun 19 17:26:27 infinity: Is VFP supported by all SOC's? iirc, either Marvel or Tegra didn't support it, so it was kept disabled. I could be wrong. Jun 19 17:27:22 (or are we only talking about mono?) Jun 19 17:28:06 GrueMaster: Every V7 SoC supports VPV3-D16, you're thinking of NEON, which Tegra2 doesn't have. Jun 19 17:28:32 Ah, yea. That was it. Jun 19 18:06:13 Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ? Jun 19 18:14:49 Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ? Jun 19 18:25:18 Salut, vorbeste cineva limba romana ? Jun 19 18:30:48 Mihai00, yeah! you, silly ;) Jun 19 18:31:47 u are funny... Jun 19 18:32:23 u know how to install ubuntu to android tablet? Jun 19 18:32:43 Mihai00, nope Jun 19 18:32:51 ok, thx Jun 19 18:32:57 no problem ;) Jun 19 18:34:02 Mihai00, but if you asked that question from the start, maybe someone read it earlier... Jun 19 18:34:15 Mihai00: Depends on the tablet. First, is it armv7 capable. Second, do you have a way of installing a new kernel or modifying the boot sequence? Best place to look for help on this is probably XDA Developers. Jun 19 18:34:23 Mihai00, see ;) Jun 19 18:35:32 mythos is right. Best to ask the question outright, than to pop into a room and say "I have a question". Jun 19 18:36:02 sorry .. my english is bad :| Jun 19 18:36:20 The room's complex mind-reading AI is currently down, so you have to revert to manual typing. :P Jun 19 18:36:39 No problem. So is mine (and I'm American). :D Jun 19 18:36:59 Mihai00, do as best as you can. as long as it is in a way understandable, no one cares really Jun 19 18:37:49 tablet processor is Cortex a8 Jun 19 18:38:13 Tablet : Allview Alldro speed Jun 19 18:41:53 Well, out of the box, Ubuntu doesn't have an image that will boot on it. But since it is Cortex A8, the Ubuntu packages will run on it. If you are up for the challenge, you can work on creating an image for it, or at least instructions for installing on it. Jun 19 18:42:59 I haven't read the detailed specs on the system, so I can't tell you how hard it will be. Booting and video out will be your biggest hurdles. Jun 19 18:44:29 ok thx Jun 19 18:45:24 Looks like http://forum.xda-developers.com has some interest in it. Jun 19 18:45:37 Google might turn up more results. Jun 19 18:46:02 Neat little unit though. Jun 19 18:46:07 i looking here right now .. thx man Jun 19 19:58:52 ah crud Jun 19 19:59:22 GrueMaster: if he shows back up asking, point him to #arm-netbook, that's an Allwinner A10 chip, which is pretty much what the guys in there focus on (iirc, someone got ubuntu running on it) Jun 19 19:59:52 (i actually have that tablet too, but i'm fine with running CM9 on it) Jun 19 20:17:24 steev: Cool, will do. Jun 19 20:17:34 they are pretty decent machines for the price Jun 19 20:20:24 Meh. I personally prefer the Nook Color/Tablet, but then this one does have HDMI out (Nook doesn't). Jun 20 02:17:26 Are beagles armv7? Jun 20 02:18:05 (f17 arm was released recently and I was idly wondering what their minimum hw target was.) Jun 20 02:23:00 twb: Beagles are v7. Jun 20 02:23:25 twb: Their armhf port is v7-vfp-d16, same as ours. Jun 20 02:23:51 twb: However, theirs is binary incompatible, because they didn't sort out the cross-distro liker mess in time. :/ Jun 20 02:24:13 Hehe Jun 20 02:24:36 Fortunately I can be idly curious because I don't have to babysit FC boxes anymore :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 20 02:59:59 2012