**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 02:59:58 2012
Jun 21 05:49:21 <heathkid> trying firefox
Jun 21 05:49:24 <heathkid> just a sec
Jun 21 05:49:46 <heathkid> win explorer completely crashed
Jun 21 05:49:51 <heathkid> had to end process
Jun 21 06:42:09 <cvanvliet> infinity, I heard in #beagle, that there is talk at TI re SGX, omap3 armhf
Jun 21 06:42:25 <cvanvliet> they have it a copy internally
Jun 21 07:57:24 <infinity> cvanvliet: Snazzy.
Jun 21 07:57:50 <cvanvliet> who do we poke ;)
Jun 21 07:58:22 * cvanvliet wants an LTS version of ubuntu, just as much as any speed increase
Jun 21 08:00:50 <infinity> cvanvliet: The poking would go to ndec and robclark, I assume, to get it released in the wild.  From there, we can probably hand-wavingly SRU it to precise.
Jun 21 08:02:08 <cvanvliet> s/poke/beg
Jun 21 08:07:08 <cvanvliet> if they are in the UK, I would certainly by them a beer ;)
Jun 21 08:14:28 <ndec> infinity: neither robclark nor me are doing any work on OMAP3.
Jun 21 08:15:42 <infinity> ndec: Fair enough.  Figured maybe that if there were shiny internal omap3 sgx builds, you guys might still be more in the know than, say, me.
Jun 21 08:15:58 <ndec> nope.
Jun 21 08:16:04 <infinity> Kay. :)
Jun 21 08:16:09 <ndec> i think #beagle is the better place to ask.
Jun 21 08:20:36 <cvanvliet> ndec, well for me it is about getting omap3 sgx into an ubuntu LTS, not just SGX
Jun 21 08:20:47 <cvanvliet> but thanks, I will pursue there
Jun 21 08:21:13 <ndec> the problem is armhf right? TI is doing SGX releases publicly for OMAP3, iirc.
Jun 21 08:21:25 <cvanvliet> yes
Jun 21 08:22:02 <cvanvliet> there is no roadblock here for me, it is just not how I want things :)
Jun 21 08:22:44 <cvanvliet> everyone is moving towards armhf, and we will be stuck on armel
Jun 21 09:07:51 <infinity> cvanvliet: If you can give me pointers to public omap3 sgx builds that will work on precise/armhf, I can drive getting them included in an SRU.
Jun 21 09:09:22 <cvanvliet> thanks
Jun 21 10:04:32 <ogra_> ndec, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1052388/ do you have any nice cpuinfo lines for me for omap4460 based blazes etc ?
Jun 21 10:15:16 <ndec> ogra_: I don't have it, but the source code says this: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=landing-teams/working/ti/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-4430sdp.c;h=b61d0ed718a013557c4c5affd555be7b01729447;hb=2c963fa702cb8bcc4eb3a580e05e3304df4911b2#l997
Jun 21 11:16:43 <lilstevie> ogra_: hardware line cardhu for tf201, and ofc cardhu development platform
Jun 21 11:16:49 <lilstevie> ogra_: nvidia-tegra ofc
Jun 21 11:17:08 <lilstevie> if you would like to add that one
Jun 21 11:17:12 <ogra_> lilstevie, i need the exact copy/paste please
Jun 21 11:18:02 <lilstevie> k sec
Jun 21 11:18:14 <ogra_> ndec, hmm, so there is no 4460 blaze ?
Jun 21 11:19:26 <lilstevie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1052478
Jun 21 11:20:12 <ogra_> uuh, ok
Jun 21 11:20:33 <lilstevie> is there something you are looking for there that is missing?
Jun 21 11:20:37 * ogra_ has never seen such a short HW string on arm yet
Jun 21 11:20:45 <lilstevie> heh
Jun 21 11:21:00 <lilstevie> tf101 is the same
Jun 21 11:21:06 <lilstevie> tf101 is ventana
Jun 21 11:21:11 <lilstevie> nothing extra
Jun 21 11:22:17 <ogra_> added both
Jun 21 11:22:26 <lilstevie> thanks :)
Jun 21 11:32:36 <ndec> ogra_: there are 4460 blaze, but they will use the same 'machine', so same output.
Jun 21 11:32:39 <ndec> like panda btw.
Jun 21 11:32:47 <ogra_> ok
Jun 21 11:33:21 <ogra_> yeah, well, if someone is insane enough to use a lucid kernel on his install or so, the old values would still match
Jun 21 11:33:30 <ogra_> (not that the driver would work though :P)
Jun 21 11:33:32 <ndec> ogra_: that said... if you want to be doing something with some forward thinking... you need to handle device tree as well.
Jun 21 11:33:51 <ndec> for DT, you will have 1 generic name for each CPU family. iirc
Jun 21 11:34:00 <ogra_> well, 80% of our HW detection tools on arm use cpuinfo
Jun 21 11:34:24 <ogra_> i wont have to care how it is populated
Jun 21 11:35:28 <ndec> ogra_: but the cpuinfo/machine info will be different on a panda which is booted with DT
Jun 21 11:35:39 <ogra_> oh, yeah, indeed
Jun 21 11:35:47 <hrw> ogra_: so now we have one rfc822 database in flash-kernel?
Jun 21 11:36:10 <ogra_> hrw, not sure if its rfc conform, but yeah, we have a DB
Jun 21 11:36:31 <ogra_> i think infinity planned to actually split out a -data package that has only the DB
Jun 21 11:36:32 <ndec> ogra_: if you look at that: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-generic.c;h=20293465786701f8650e1377ea070c6eee536673;hb=bc259adc9b76f625fff0423df3ffb80a03802927
Jun 21 11:36:52 <ndec> you see that all OMAP4 will show up as "Generic OMAP4 (Flattened Device Tree)"
Jun 21 11:37:10 <ndec> and all OMAP5 will be "Generic OMAP5 (Flattened Device Tree)"
Jun 21 11:37:12 <ndec> etc...
Jun 21 11:37:18 <ogra_> right, but "OMAP4" would match all oamp4 devices still
Jun 21 11:37:32 <ogra_> even if i would have typed it right :P
Jun 21 11:37:37 <ndec> note that it will be a problem ... since not all OMAP4 will use the same pvr-omap4 ;-)
Jun 21 11:37:58 <ndec> 4430 and 4460 have the same GPU, 4470 have a different GPU.
Jun 21 11:38:05 <ogra_> for these we need a more specific matching then
Jun 21 11:38:08 <ndec> with conflicting libs in the user space
Jun 21 11:38:28 <hrw> 4470 got MP2 powervr?
Jun 21 11:38:39 <ndec> 4470 544, single core
Jun 21 11:38:39 <ogra_> for now the concept of having a line per supported SoC should be fine
Jun 21 11:38:41 <lilstevie> is that exported somewhere though
Jun 21 11:38:45 <ndec> OMAP5 is 544 MP2
Jun 21 11:39:05 <lilstevie> or visible from sysfs
Jun 21 11:39:20 <ndec> lilstevie: i don't know for now. we manage it 'by hand' for now, and don't have a clean solution yet.
Jun 21 11:39:59 <lilstevie> sure
Jun 21 11:43:36 * XorA|gone wonders when PVR will catch up with the 1990s and have runtime detection
Jun 21 11:52:01 <lilstevie> heh
Jun 21 11:52:07 <lilstevie> the tegra driver does it
Jun 21 11:53:08 <ndec> lilstevie: how is it done on the tegra? 1 set of user space binary blobs that work on multiple h/w? or is it doing some symlinks tricks?
Jun 21 11:56:38 <lilstevie> 1 binary
Jun 21 11:57:33 <lilstevie> they have released platform tarballs for each development device, but the binaries work across devices just fine
Jun 21 12:04:04 <ndec> lilstevie: ok... we aren't there yet with PVR.
Jun 21 12:04:15 <lilstevie> fair enough
Jun 21 12:04:41 <lilstevie> it is all good having one binary, but five binaries that work would be better :p
Jun 21 12:05:47 <ndec> well, we have the binaries that work ;-)
Jun 21 12:07:29 <lilstevie> heh
Jun 21 12:07:39 <lilstevie> tegra ones are horrible
Jun 21 12:07:56 <lilstevie> the latest release is probably the best yet though
Jun 21 12:07:57 <lilstevie> :p
Jun 21 13:19:22 <janimo> ogra_, so did you test with current 3.1 kernel and graphics work with the latest nvidia drivers?
Jun 21 13:19:49 <janimo> if so the ac100-meta can also be bumped to make the 3.1 version the default
Jun 21 13:20:04 <ogra_> janimo, i think infinity did right after your upload anyway :)
Jun 21 13:20:21 <ogra_> and yes, a smoketest worked
Jun 21 13:20:30 <janimo> ogra_,  I thought so too, but I tried the installer yesterday and got 3.0,27
Jun 21 13:20:30 <ogra_> i havet used it for long though
Jun 21 13:20:36 <janimo> the installer crashed though
Jun 21 13:20:50 <ogra_> i dont think we have recent ac100 images for quantal yet
Jun 21 13:21:14 <janimo> ogra_, ah I missed they were dated May 30
Jun 21 13:21:18 <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ has images from may 30
Jun 21 13:21:27 <janimo> just saw they're under jun 18 or such
Jun 21 13:21:41 <ogra_> i fixed flash-kernel though, the next successfull build should have them
Jun 21 13:21:44 <janimo> ogra_, is this because the kernel will likely not boot?
Jun 21 13:21:48 <janimo> ogra_, good to know then
Jun 21 13:22:05 <ogra_> the kernel will likely need a console statement or so
Jun 21 13:22:11 <ogra_> in the bootargs
Jun 21 13:22:25 <ogra_> but i first want working images before i look into details
Jun 21 14:52:29 * satellit_ testing TrimSlice -h 250 
Jun 21 22:18:53 <robclark> rsalveti, ogra_, we need precise on http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/21/hp-passport-1912nm-internet-monitor/  :-)
Jun 21 22:19:54 <robclark> actually you might even just be able to take an o4/panda image and boot it.. not sure, maybe there is a new board file, etc..
Jun 22 01:49:23 <Tinti> hello, I am following the rootsock documentation in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch is there  a new documentation? It is not working for precise 12.04 but I finally have succeed in building an image
Jun 22 01:49:34 <Tinti> if I could help anyone
Jun 22 02:44:39 <lilstevie> robclark: that is pretty awesome
Jun 22 02:46:28 <infinity> robclark: Only $259?  That makes it more cost-effective than a Panda with a monitor.  Not bad.
Jun 22 02:50:49 <TheMuso> Sounds cool./
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