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Jun 26 06:03:28 <ShapeShifter499> hi
Jun 26 06:04:18 <ShapeShifter499> so I have an iPhone.....  I can't chroot ubuntu arm on it can I?
Jun 26 06:04:38 <ShapeShifter499> it's jailbroken
Jun 26 06:09:50 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: as it isn't running a linux kernel, you certainly can't chroot.
Jun 26 06:11:11 <ShapeShifter499> I blame folks om #idroid-dev   they seemed to act like it would be possible, never told me chroot didn't run the linux kernel in its own space....  I had to research to find that out
Jun 26 06:11:37 <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, Chroot is basically the sandbox that has to be jailbroken on iOS right?
Jun 26 06:11:49 <ShapeShifter499> to achive a jailbroken  device
Jun 26 06:11:53 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: no. there's no one to blame for you.
Jun 26 06:12:02 <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, I would have to recompile everything
Jun 26 06:12:18 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: chroot is exatly what the name says: it gives th existing session a new root filesystem.
Jun 26 06:12:41 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: hence, of course the existing session already has to be a linux one.
Jun 26 06:12:46 <lilstevie> idroid-dev would get the idea that it would work, cause idroid is all about running android on the iPhone
Jun 26 06:12:54 <lilstevie> thus having a linux kernel
Jun 26 06:13:07 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: besides the fact that ubuntu only supports cortex-a8 devices and upwards.
Jun 26 06:13:22 <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: but thats not chrooting.
Jun 26 06:13:34 <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: but you could chroot from idroid
Jun 26 06:14:02 <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: from their perspective it can be
Jun 26 06:14:34 <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: sure, if its already running some linux derivative it *might* be doable with hoops and jumps. but not from ios.
Jun 26 06:14:57 <lilstevie> I know most of the idroid guys, they would have assumed he meant from within idroid
Jun 26 06:15:16 <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: probably.
Jun 26 06:16:00 <ShapeShifter499> well I made sure they knew I had a iPhone 4s, a uncompletely unsupported device
Jun 26 06:16:44 <ShapeShifter499> anyways I have to remake, recompile, and edit everything to get ubuntu stuff to chroot on a iphone right?
Jun 26 06:16:58 <ShapeShifter499> * I would have to
Jun 26 06:17:00 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: sorry, but if you run into them and say "can i chroot" like here, then they probably assume that you know what you are talking about. and that you are not unaware of the basics like that its *not* a full virtualization etc.
Jun 26 06:17:12 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: no.
Jun 26 06:17:31 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: just pressing some recompile button does not make things work automagically.
Jun 26 06:18:09 <ShapeShifter499> "remake, recompile, and edit"   I know recompiling everything wouldn't work now
Jun 26 06:18:25 <ShapeShifter499> some of it could though right?
Jun 26 06:18:42 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: plus, ubuntu is not recompiled easily for new architectures (don't know what the iphone runs besides fancy buzzwords.)
Jun 26 06:18:57 <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, it runs arm stuff
Jun 26 06:19:01 <ShapeShifter499> I know that for sure
Jun 26 06:19:24 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: great. thats about as precise like telling me that *most* cars tend to have an engine.
Jun 26 06:19:38 <ShapeShifter499> I think armv7
Jun 26 06:20:24 <ShapeShifter499> LetoThe2nd, well that's pretty much all I'm sure of now
Jun 26 06:20:38 <ShapeShifter499> xD
Jun 26 06:20:43 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: if its fully armv7-compatible, you *might* get away with *only* make somehow run the linux kernel, be it native or inside some virtualization.
Jun 26 06:21:04 <lilstevie> LetoThe2nd: it is armv7
Jun 26 06:21:08 <lilstevie> cortex-a9
Jun 26 06:21:41 <LetoThe2nd> lilstevie: ok. like i said, i'm not particularly interested in hardware with old, bitten fruit on it.
Jun 26 06:21:50 <lilstevie> heh
Jun 26 06:22:00 <ShapeShifter499> lol
Jun 26 06:23:08 <lilstevie> well anyway, it wouldn't be easy
Jun 26 06:23:18 <LetoThe2nd> certainly not, thats for sure.
Jun 26 06:25:39 <ShapeShifter499> well at the beginning I had a idea, run ubuntu on a iPhone and I feel kind of stupid.... I took a head first tackle at the idea without fully understanding what I was attempting
Jun 26 06:28:42 <LetoThe2nd> ShapeShifter499: hehe, there's nothing bad about having ideas and starting them head first. but like i said, if you do that, in most cases there's noone for you to blame if things dont work out. thats the risk of that procedure :)
Jun 26 06:37:48 <lilstevie> ShapeShifter499: I had the same idea a few years ago
Jun 26 06:37:52 <lilstevie> when openiboot first started
Jun 26 06:38:16 <lilstevie> but ubuntu, even the armv6 version was just too heavy for the 3G
Jun 26 06:48:14 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, someone did create a working x11 window manager, does that mean I could recompile some of the linux apps I wanted to run?
Jun 26 06:48:48 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, compile from source code
Jun 26 06:49:14 <lilstevie> ShapeShifter499: kind of
Jun 26 06:49:19 <lilstevie> it is a bit more involved than that
Jun 26 06:49:36 <lilstevie> the X11 libs cydia offers are only libs
Jun 26 06:50:51 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, its called windowmaker, some lightweight window manager like gnome
Jun 26 06:51:53 <lilstevie> hm not heard of it
Jun 26 06:52:05 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, http://ihackmyi.com/topic/100323-so-who-wanted-window-maker/
Jun 26 06:52:24 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, its found on the ininja repo   ininja.com/repo
Jun 26 06:52:35 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, I mean ininjas.com/repo
Jun 26 06:53:21 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, I just found it and I'm about to install it
Jun 26 06:54:26 <ShapeShifter499> I have to use a client like issh which views x11 sessions
Jun 26 06:56:35 <ShapeShifter499> lilstevie, well I guess it's more like xfce
Jun 26 07:09:39 <lilstevie> hm
Jun 26 11:28:18 <janimo> marvin24, is your 3.1 kernel no longer based on chromeos ?
Jun 26 11:28:29 <marvin24> janimo: no
Jun 26 11:28:31 * ogra_ thought it was
Jun 26 11:28:31 <marvin24> never was
Jun 26 11:28:34 <ogra_> oh
Jun 26 11:28:44 <marvin24> based on nvidia downstream
Jun 26 11:28:54 <marvin24> 3.0 was based on chromeos
Jun 26 11:28:57 <janimo> marvin24, huh? I thought it was based on chrome kernels before, as it had a lot of chrome specific patche sno?
Jun 26 11:29:12 <janimo> ah by never was you mean 3.1 not any of your kernels :)
Jun 26 11:29:32 <janimo> good, I assume nvidia's is much closer to mainline
Jun 26 11:29:33 <marvin24> the nvidia kernel is more android'isch
Jun 26 11:29:42 <marvin24> janimo: in no way
Jun 26 11:29:44 <janimo> ah, forgot that indeed
Jun 26 11:30:08 <janimo> although they have at least branches which do not have android in their names
Jun 26 11:30:11 <marvin24> 3.1 has about 6000 patches
Jun 26 11:30:15 <janimo> I though they have some more vanilla patches too
Jun 26 11:30:17 <marvin24> while 3.0 "only" 600
Jun 26 11:30:19 <marvin24> or so
Jun 26 11:30:46 <marvin24> the main problem is also that 3.1 is not maintained upstream (while 3.0 and 3.2 is)
Jun 26 11:30:54 <marvin24> 3.1.10 was the latest release
Jun 26 11:31:33 <marvin24> the difference to the "real" android kernel is minimal only
Jun 26 11:31:43 <marvin24> (I guess just some android specific drivers)
Jun 26 11:52:03 <angs> Hi, I have beagleboard-xM rev C. where can I find the officially supported ubuntu image for it?
Jun 26 11:52:11 <angs> is it http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu ?
Jun 26 12:01:00 <ogra_> angs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
Jun 26 12:01:23 <ogra_> the elinux images are built by a community member, not related to the official ones
Jun 26 12:03:56 <angs> ogra_: thank you for the link and information.
Jun 26 12:12:51 <angs> I am new to embedded boards. Do I Texas Instruments OMAP3 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image or OMAP4 image for beagleboard-xM rev C?
Jun 26 12:13:17 <ogra_> the beagleboard has an omap3 chip
Jun 26 12:14:12 <angs> On the system manual it says DM3730 processor for beagleboard-xM.
Jun 26 12:14:50 <ogra_> yes, thats an omap3 variant
Jun 26 12:15:06 <angs> ok good, I was doubting if it is different
Jun 26 12:15:12 <angs> thank you :)
Jun 26 14:06:10 <angs> I followed the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall to install the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap.img.gz to beagleboard-xM, here is the command and its output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1060786/ , I can not find the beagleboard on the net (I tried all IPs ssh root@.../ nmap). Also, I can not connect to the board by screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 and USB0/2/3/4/..
Jun 26 14:06:57 <angs> when I power the beagleboard, no user led is blinking. did I miss something on the installation command?
Jun 26 14:08:02 <angs> the sumcheck of the image that I downloaded is correct
Jun 26 14:09:07 <ogra_> you dont have a monitor attached ?
Jun 26 14:09:14 <angs> no
Jun 26 14:09:22 <ogra_> ah, then use the server image
Jun 26 14:09:39 <ogra_> the desktop image runs all of the installer on the display
Jun 26 14:09:44 <ogra_> server runs it on serial
Jun 26 14:09:54 <angs> ah ok, thank you
Jun 26 14:10:22 <ogra_> server only installs a minimal filesystem, but also offers you to install the ubuntu-desktop if you want
Jun 26 14:11:28 <angs> is there any difference between them in terms of reliability and performance?
Jun 26 14:11:43 <ogra_> nope, they use the same packages and the same installer
Jun 26 14:12:00 <ogra_> just different installer setups
Jun 26 14:12:52 <angs> I ordered the video cable and will have it couple days. how can I upgrade the server version to the desktop environment?
Jun 26 14:15:43 <angs> is there any instruction for it, or should I just load the new image for the ubuntu-desktop?
Jun 26 14:42:24 <tedg> Hey ogra_, I'd like to be able to run a ARM VM on my system.  Is there a way to do that?  If so, which image should I download to do it?
Jun 26 14:47:54 <janimo> ogra_, do the new ac100 images work with the 3.1 kernel and tegra armhf drivers?
Jun 26 15:01:13 <satellit> FYI  I have a TrimSlicePRO running KDE Desktop from a SDXC Card...
Jun 26 15:37:28 <RoyK> us armel == armv7l?
Jun 26 15:37:37 <RoyK> s/us/is/
Jun 26 15:38:55 <GrueMaster> RoyK: Yes.  It is armv7 w/o hard float.
Jun 26 15:39:58 <RoyK> ok
Jun 26 15:40:28 <RoyK> 'soft float' being software fpu emulation in kernel?
Jun 26 15:50:33 <GrueMaster> In all apps.  The kernel is actually fairly benign in this.
Jun 26 15:51:49 <RoyK> so it's just a lib?
Jun 26 15:53:14 <GrueMaster> No, it is a compiler setting.  Granted, some apps won't take advantage of the hard float, but apps that do use floating point are built to either use soft float, or hard float at build time.
Jun 26 15:53:41 <GrueMaster> So, libraries, and apps are all affected by this.
Jun 26 15:56:59 <angs>  TFTP Server link on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall is broken
Jun 26 16:00:50 <angs> the link address https://wiki.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot, should it be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot ?
Jun 26 16:13:52 <GrueMaster> Wouldn't be a first time someone broke the wiki links for arm.
Jun 26 16:18:25 <angs> I am trying to install omap3 server image to beagleboard-xM. what am I doing wrong with that command "sudo sh -c 'zcat ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz > /dev/mmcblk0' "?
Jun 26 16:19:26 <GrueMaster> Nothing.  Looks fine to me.  What are you seeing?
Jun 26 16:19:49 <angs> it does not show any output
Jun 26 16:19:55 <GrueMaster> mahmoh: You need to fix the links on the above wiki.
Jun 26 16:20:28 <angs> when I power the beagleboard, no user led is blinking and it is not on the network.
Jun 26 16:20:41 <GrueMaster> angs: are you looking at the serial console or a monitor?  The headless server images are only going to give output through the serial console.
Jun 26 16:20:52 <angs> Moreover, screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 does not work
Jun 26 16:21:44 <GrueMaster> First, is ttyUSB1 the correct usb serial port?  ttyUSB0 is the default (unless you have more than one usb serial cable).
Jun 26 16:21:51 <angs> I inserted the SD card then loaded on my main computer. Then I inserted the SD card into the beagleboard
Jun 26 16:21:55 <jhobbs> check stty -f /dev/ttyUSB1
Jun 26 16:22:02 <jhobbs> -F too
Jun 26 16:23:30 <angs> stty: /dev/ttyUSB4: No such file or directory > shows the same output for USB0/1/2/3/4
Jun 26 16:23:54 <jhobbs> did you do -F
Jun 26 16:23:55 <angs> am I loading the wrong image? I use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz
Jun 26 16:24:16 <angs> yes, I did -F
Jun 26 16:24:16 <GrueMaster> angs: Unplug your usb serial cable, run "sudo dmesg -c", then plug it in and type dmesg to see what it gets assigned to.
Jun 26 16:24:47 <GrueMaster> The image should be ok.  Let's get your serial port working first.
Jun 26 16:24:53 <mahmoh> GrueMaster: which link and where's it linked from?
Jun 26 16:25:18 <GrueMaster> mahmoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install?action=show&redirect=ARM%2FOMAPHeadlessInstall
Jun 26 16:25:46 <GrueMaster> THe tftp boot links are broken.
Jun 26 16:25:49 <angs> dmesg -c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061019/
Jun 26 16:25:50 <GrueMaster> (read backscroll)
Jun 26 16:25:59 <angs> some usb errors :S
Jun 26 16:27:14 <GrueMaster> Yes, I see that.  what do you get when you plug in the usb-serial cable?
Jun 26 16:28:03 <angs> it is very weird that it does not show anything now
Jun 26 16:28:10 <angs> it does not give any output
Jun 26 16:28:33 <angs> I am using ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop, I installed it recently
Jun 26 16:28:33 <GrueMaster> Did you unplug and plug in the serial cable?
Jun 26 16:29:06 <GrueMaster> You may have a bad/unsupported (rare) usb serial cable.
Jun 26 16:29:48 <angs> this is what I get now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061024/
Jun 26 16:30:15 <angs> maybe something wrong with my pc, dmesg has been just working, now it does not output
Jun 26 16:30:24 <GrueMaster> "dmesg -c" just clears the dmesg log.
Jun 26 16:30:42 <angs> ah ok:)
Jun 26 16:31:08 <GrueMaster> But it should show the usb device if you unplug it and then plug it back in to the pc.  It doesn't need to be connected to the beagle for this.
Jun 26 16:31:37 <mahmoh> GrueMaster: angs: fixed the ftp server links, thx
Jun 26 16:32:03 <angs> mahmoh: thank you
Jun 26 16:32:25 <angs> I plugged the usb cable, dmesg does not show anything http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061027/
Jun 26 16:32:44 <mahmoh> np
Jun 26 16:33:12 <angs> the beagleboard is powered, no user led blinks
Jun 26 16:34:09 <GrueMaster> Ignore the beagle for the moment.  When you plug the usb-serial cable into your laptop, it should show up.  Try a different usb port.
Jun 26 16:35:53 <angs> after I unplug the cable to try different usb port, it showed [17940.266066] usb 2-1.5: USB disconnect, device number 16
Jun 26 16:36:18 <angs> I am plugging the cable into other usb ports, but it does not show any another output
Jun 26 16:37:18 <GrueMaster> Very strainge.  Try rebooting your laptop.  Something may have corrupted the usb stack.  Unplug the usb-serial cable first.
Jun 26 16:37:43 <angs> I plugged my other board ( beaglebone) dmesg shows output [18107.156334] hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
Jun 26 16:37:43 <angs> [18107.511649] hub 2-1:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
Jun 26 16:37:55 <angs> but it does not output for beagleboard
Jun 26 16:39:08 <angs> I will reboot the laptop
Jun 26 16:39:11 <angs> thank you
Jun 26 16:44:51 <angs> I guess it is obvious that I did something wrong in the process of loading the ubuntu image
Jun 26 16:45:32 <angs> dmesg did not show anything for the board that I loaded ubuntu image. However, when I plug a new beagleboard that has the default OS and settings, it shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/1061044/
Jun 26 16:46:19 <angs> I don't know why I have error for my usb port
Jun 26 16:50:05 <GrueMaster> Wait, what?  Are you using a usb to mini-usb to plug into your beagle?  Not sure if that will work for serial console.
Jun 26 16:52:26 <angs> Yes, I am using usb to mini usb cable.  sorry that I am new to embedded boards.
Jun 26 16:53:04 <angs> can't I load the ubuntu image without need of serial console? I do not have serial cable for it
Jun 26 16:53:25 <angs> I only have have usb-to-mini usb and ethernet cable
Jun 26 16:54:34 <GrueMaster> Sigh.  Yes, you need a usb->serial cable.
Jun 26 16:57:14 <GrueMaster> The omap image is set to output to ttyO2, which is the external serial port on the beagleboard.  Using the mini-usb port is untested/unsupported.
Jun 26 16:59:39 <angs> I will try to find the cable. Is there any image file that I can just load it to the SD card then I can immediately use as I power the beagleboard?
Jun 26 17:01:53 <GrueMaster> The desktop image, but it will require a keyboard, mouse and monitor on the beagleboard.
Jun 26 17:02:19 <GrueMaster> It should give you a nearly identical image as you are using on your laptop.
Jun 26 17:04:05 <angs> I ordered the video cable for the beagleboard. Then I will try to install the ubuntu when I have the cable. Thank you very much GrueMaster for your help
Jun 26 17:06:11 <GrueMaster> No problem.  Good luck.
Jun 26 17:09:00 <angs> thank you
Jun 26 17:12:16 <RoyK> angs: guess it'll work just as my pandaboard
Jun 26 17:14:58 <angs> do you mean the image file?
Jun 26 17:17:40 <RoyK> I just dd'ed the image to the ssd and the installer did the rest
Jun 26 17:18:16 <RoyK> the 11.10 installation restarted after it was finished, and there was a package I had to remove to finish it off (can't remember the name atm)
Jun 26 18:09:44 <marvin24_DT> ogra_: some guy from nv seems to think the plymouth problem could be related to wrong permissions
Jun 26 18:09:52 <marvin24_DT> http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/devforum/discussion/6296/console-broken-on-linux-tegra-nv-3-1
Jun 26 18:10:18 <marvin24_DT> I'm not sure what he means with "rootfs is not owned by root"
Jun 26 18:18:21 <infinity> marvin24_DT: Our installer kinda runs as root, and it also reformats the target partition, so I'm not sure how that could relate for us.
Jun 26 18:18:45 <infinity> marvin24_DT: (It's also a weird failure mode for the guy running from SD, mind you)
Jun 26 18:23:02 <marvin24_DT> well, I installed it on a SD ...
Jun 26 18:23:13 <marvin24_DT> infinity: but you are right, installer runs a root
Jun 26 18:23:20 <marvin24_DT> so it cannot be such a problem
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