**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 05 02:59:58 2012
Jul 05 10:49:25 <Aks> is it possible to load ubuntu on tablets
Jul 05 10:50:12 <Aks> it has processor cortex A8
Jul 05 10:50:22 <ogra_> thats a pretty vague question
Jul 05 10:52:26 <Aks> i have tablet pc which runs on android
Jul 05 10:53:06 <Aks> i want it to works with ubuntu
Jul 05 10:53:43 <Aks> is it possible to remove android and load ubuntu on it
Jul 05 10:53:58 <ogra_> well, if you have access to the bootloader , have the kernel source and know how to set both of these up, installing ubuntu is usually possible
Jul 05 10:54:33 <ogra_> first get the two first bits resolved, then come back
Jul 05 10:57:17 <Aks> i have kernel source but i don't know to how to access bootloader
Jul 05 10:58:05 <morphis> Aks: it's usually fastboot you can use for this
Jul 05 10:59:00 <morphis> with fastboot support you can boot a different kernel than the flashed one shipping a special init-script to boot from an ext2 image on the internal flash disk
Jul 05 10:59:20 <ogra_> if your bootloader isnt locked down by the vendor
Jul 05 10:59:22 <morphis> thats the best (and safest) way to get this done
Jul 05 10:59:36 <ogra_> (which it is on many tablets)
Jul 05 10:59:39 <morphis> ogra_: yes, thats the condition to be able to do this
Jul 05 11:00:16 <LetoThe2nd> i'd suggest rephrasing - it is usually doable under these preconditions, but still requires considerable knowledge and is no click here, click there process.
Jul 05 11:00:23 <Aks> i have 2.6.36-8-omap3 kernel m i be able to boot it using fast boot?
Jul 05 11:00:47 <morphis> you need the kernel source special for the tablet you have
Jul 05 11:00:49 <ogra_> is your tablet an omap3 device ?
Jul 05 11:01:13 <morphis> Aks: look at this http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=meta-smartphone.git;a=blob;f=meta-samsung/recipes-bsp/chroot-script/chroot-script/init.sh;h=4ad32a66258bd1163efe908608e65f37dc5b4c09;hb=HEAD
Jul 05 11:01:15 <Aks> yes its on omap and i have kernels source .
Jul 05 11:01:19 <morphis> for a suitable init script
Jul 05 11:02:52 <Aks> can you give me step by step description of installing ubuntu on any tablet ?
Jul 05 11:03:08 <LetoThe2nd> now thats exactly what i meant.
Jul 05 11:03:35 <morphis> Aks: thats not possible
Jul 05 11:03:52 <morphis> Aks: a tablet is no PC as you know it where you can install everything
Jul 05 11:04:02 <morphis> it's build for a very special case, to run android
Jul 05 11:04:25 <Aks> is there any hardware limitation ?
Jul 05 11:05:04 <LetoThe2nd> Aks: there are bits and pieces of information available, and solving the puzzle will eventually enable you to install ubuntu on a platform. but there's not step by step guide, nor does anyone want to give that.
Jul 05 11:06:31 <morphis> Aks: and you can't expect anything to work after you have ubuntu on the tablet
Jul 05 11:07:26 <LetoThe2nd> so its sad but true: if you have to ask, it is not for you.
Jul 05 11:07:55 <morphis> LetoThe2nd: :)
Jul 05 11:08:11 <LetoThe2nd> am i sounding too pseudo-31337?
Jul 05 11:09:49 <ogra_> no
Jul 05 11:09:55 <ogra_> since you are right :)
Jul 05 11:10:15 <ogra_> its technically possible to do what he wants but you need quite some skills that go beyond basics
Jul 05 11:10:43 <LetoThe2nd> i know, i wouldn't be able to do it myself without a lot of effort.
Jul 05 11:11:15 <ogra_> right, same here, and i do it as a day to day job
Jul 05 11:11:24 <morphis> LetoThe2nd: it's which is not worth you spend it on this
Jul 05 11:11:29 <Aks> ya i am new to this so we want your help?
Jul 05 11:11:45 <LetoThe2nd> morphis: exactly, hence i do not even try.
Jul 05 11:11:56 <morphis> LetoThe2nd: I did this for years now
Jul 05 11:12:06 <morphis> started with the Palm Pre ended with the Nexus S
Jul 05 11:12:09 <morphis> not ubuntu
Jul 05 11:12:12 <morphis> but something else
Jul 05 11:12:18 <morphis> it makes fun
Jul 05 11:12:32 <morphis> but you spend too much time on it and never really get usable results
Jul 05 11:12:53 <LetoThe2nd> i think i got some good skills on arm linux, but in another direction. and i admit, exchanging android on a probably underdocumented device is not what i'd call fun to me.
Jul 05 11:13:11 <morphis> :)
Jul 05 11:13:37 <morphis> you learn a lot
Jul 05 11:13:41 <LetoThe2nd> but i guess i can judge the skillset needed - and i do not sense this kind of schwartz in our young padawan here.
Jul 05 11:13:57 <morphis> :)
Jul 05 11:14:27 <ogra_> getting a working image for the toshiba ac100 took me several months ... and thats not even a tablet where you have to fight with the input setup too
Jul 05 11:15:05 <morphis> it's bad but things are getting better with the years
Jul 05 11:16:16 <ogra_> definitely ... mostly thanks to linaor who work on  unifying things like kernel and bootloader
Jul 05 11:16:20 <ogra_> *linaro
Jul 05 11:16:56 <morphis> yes, linaro is a great effort
Jul 05 13:10:00 <ogra_> ppisati, hmm, could it be that you forgot to close bug 1010009 in the last changelog of ti-omap4 ?
Jul 05 13:10:02 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010009 in linux-ti-omap4 "omapdss only works on some monitors in quantal" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010009
Jul 05 13:16:13 <ppisati> ogra_: thanks, closed
Jul 05 13:16:50 <ogra_> :)
Jul 05 13:20:00 <ppisati> ogra_: by any chance, did you try your beagle xm?
Jul 05 13:20:30 <ogra_> no, i havent managed to get a properly working install still, will do a netboot server install now
Jul 05 13:23:20 <ppisati> ogra_: what you mean?
Jul 05 13:23:37 <ogra_> i only tested the desktop images dirung A2
Jul 05 13:23:52 <ogra_> and these all failed ... since then i havent touched my XM
Jul 05 13:24:01 <ppisati> even the omap3 desktop?
Jul 05 13:24:10 <ogra_> yes
Jul 05 13:24:21 <ogra_> the only working image we had during A2 was panda
Jul 05 13:24:22 <ppisati> so you saw the same problems i mentioned in the email?
Jul 05 13:24:35 <ogra_> no, i couldnt get it booting iirc
Jul 05 13:25:00 <ppisati> i had errors during bootup (on xm rev a)
Jul 05 13:25:07 <ppisati> squashfs errors&c
Jul 05 13:25:10 <ppisati> which rev do you have?
Jul 05 13:25:50 <ogra_> also a rev a
Jul 05 13:25:58 <ppisati> ah
Jul 05 13:26:16 <ogra_> and i had seen the squashfs errors before but that was back when there were also USB and display issues
Jul 05 13:26:37 <ppisati> anyone with a beagle xm, an empty sd card and willing to do some tests?
Jul 05 13:26:56 <ogra_> i am, i just need to do an install first :)
Jul 05 13:31:23 <ppisati> ogra_: why don't you try daily?
Jul 05 13:34:08 <ogra_> because i was to lazy to zsync :P
Jul 05 13:34:22 <ogra_> but yeah, i should probably do that to make sure they work
Jul 05 13:43:21 <ppisati> ogra_: it seems to work on my rev c
Jul 05 13:43:26 <ppisati> ogra_: but doesn't on rev q
Jul 05 13:43:28 <ppisati> *a
Jul 05 13:43:39 <ppisati> ogra_: if you have another rev a, and we reproduce the same problem
Jul 05 13:43:39 <ogra_> hmm
Jul 05 13:43:47 <ppisati> that's a good hint
Jul 05 13:43:52 <ogra_> right
Jul 05 13:44:01 <_william_> do you know if there are any pla to release ARM repositories with the upcoming 12.10 ?
Jul 05 13:44:03 <ogra_> well, i can surely say i saw the squashfs errors before
Jul 05 13:44:23 <ogra_> _william_, ?? we release arm repos since 3 years
Jul 05 13:44:23 <ppisati> ogra_: ok, as soon as you can do another reinstall, that would be nice
Jul 05 13:44:34 <ppisati> ogra_: moreover, do you know who has another xm?
Jul 05 13:44:40 <_william_> ogra_: hu... what is the URL please ?
Jul 05 13:44:41 <ogra_> ppisati, 3:21 to go for zsync ;)
Jul 05 13:44:47 * _william_ feeling stupid ;)
Jul 05 13:45:02 <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/
Jul 05 13:46:38 <_william_> excellent ogra_ ! i've been looking for this along time until i came to this chan
Jul 05 13:47:03 <_william_> even a few people from Canonical (i won't name ;) ) were not able to given me this url
Jul 05 13:47:07 <_william_> thanks a lot
Jul 05 13:49:39 <ogra_> welcome :)
Jul 05 13:49:55 <ogra_> we also roll installable images for some architectures
Jul 05 13:57:33 <ogra_> ppisati, hmm, apart from the fact that the spalsh is missing, the current daily looks fine to me
Jul 05 13:57:43 <ogra_> no squashfs erros on boot this time
Jul 05 13:58:20 <ogra_> (lets see how it behaves during copying)
Jul 05 13:58:53 <ogra_> argh
Jul 05 13:59:05 <ogra_> thats really messed up, it runs a live session !
Jul 05 14:01:59 <ppisati> except for the last comment, i assume it's working for you
Jul 05 14:02:00 <ppisati> right?
Jul 05 14:03:22 <ogra_> right, i get into a fully functional live session
Jul 05 14:04:14 <ppisati> ogra_: this one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
Jul 05 14:04:22 <ogra_> yes
Jul 05 14:04:35 * ppisati tries again
Jul 05 14:05:10 <_william_> ogra_: so far i had only found images. Anyways... i'm going to try it over the next days. I'm trying to build a custom environnement based upon Armada chip
Jul 05 14:05:35 <ogra_> armadaxp ?
Jul 05 14:06:29 <_william_> armada 510
Jul 05 14:06:51 <_william_> have you already tested with this processor ?
Jul 05 14:07:39 <ogra_> isnt that armv6 ?
Jul 05 14:08:28 <ogra_> (ubuntu only supports v7 and above)
Jul 05 14:09:29 <_william_> according to marvell it is ARM v6/v7-compliant
Jul 05 14:09:42 <ogra_> well, if its v7 it should work
Jul 05 14:09:52 <_william_> http://www.marvell.com/application-processors/armada-500/
Jul 05 14:09:54 <ogra_> (if you can force that mode somehow)
Jul 05 14:10:03 <_william_> i'll get the answer soon ;)
Jul 05 14:10:55 <ogra_> well, that page only say v7
Jul 05 14:11:05 <ogra_> they should make their mind up :P
Jul 05 14:11:33 <ogra_> i guess you are good
Jul 05 14:12:08 <_william_> 500 is v7 only, 510 seems to be v6/v7
Jul 05 14:12:22 <_william_> let's test, i'll know it
Jul 05 14:33:15 <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ~]$ md5sum Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
Jul 05 14:33:16 <ppisati> 6907b9027e355ea599935a8e268834e6  Downloads/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap.img
Jul 05 14:33:31 <ppisati> ogra_: with this img i still get tons of squashfs errors
Jul 05 14:33:42 <ppisati> ogra_: at this point i can only assume that my rev a is dying
Jul 05 15:16:21 <ogra_> ppisati, well, dont throw it away :)
Jul 05 15:20:20 <RoyK> hrmf! seems my network doesn't work after updating my pandaboard ubuntu 11.10 to latest (not 12.04). iwconfig/ifconfig looks good, but no ping/arp/nothing works. no firewall setup. any idea how to reboot with an old kernel on this thing?
Jul 05 15:23:32 <ppisati> RoyK: ls -al /boot
Jul 05 15:23:42 <ppisati> RoyK: choose the preferred version/kernel
Jul 05 15:23:56 <ppisati> RoyK: sudo flash-kernel 3.2.0-omap4
Jul 05 15:24:10 <ppisati> RoyK: if, for example, you want to use that kernel
Jul 05 15:24:21 <ppisati> RoyK: btw, which kernel are you using now?
Jul 05 15:25:12 <RoyK> 3.0.0-1211-omap4
Jul 05 15:25:55 <RoyK> erm... seems 3.1.0-1282 is installed, but not in use
Jul 05 15:26:37 <RoyK> so "flash-kernel vmlinuz-3.1.0-1282-omap4" ?
Jul 05 15:28:54 <ogra_> drop vmlinuz-
Jul 05 15:29:02 <RoyK> got it
Jul 05 15:29:06 <RoyK> thanks again
Jul 05 15:29:07 <ogra_> "sudo flash-kernel 3.1.0-1282-omap4"
Jul 05 15:33:18 <ppisati> no wait
Jul 05 15:33:39 <ppisati> if you are using 3.1.0-1282 it's not our kernel
Jul 05 15:34:00 <ogra_> no, thats from some TI PPA
Jul 05 15:34:09 <ogra_> still, if it worked before ...
Jul 05 15:34:14 <RoyK> tried it, and didn't work too well
Jul 05 15:37:51 <RoyK> found the error - PEBKAC
Jul 05 15:38:09 <ogra_> remove it !
Jul 05 15:42:20 <ogra_> ppisati, Snd_omap_soc_beagle ... geez !!
Jul 05 15:42:26 <ogra_> what a mess
Jul 05 15:42:57 * ogra_ just saw the mails
Jul 05 16:40:26 <ogra_> ppisati, so even my netinstall has issues here ... i see lots of oopses and the NIC just hangs after a while (smsc95xx i think)
Jul 05 16:41:00 * ogra_ will file a bug if this installation ever ends
Jul 05 16:47:02 <ppisati> ogra_: omap4 or omap3?
Jul 05 16:47:27 <ogra_> 3
Jul 05 16:47:43 <ogra_> havent touched any pandas today ... i keep my bamboo for mself :)
Jul 05 16:47:50 <ogra_> *myself
Jul 05 16:48:06 <ppisati> LOL :)
Jul 05 16:48:58 <ppisati> is it a server or desktop installation?
Jul 05 16:49:05 * ppisati never ever tried netinstall
Jul 05 16:49:10 <ogra_> netinst .... its neither
Jul 05 16:49:26 <ppisati> do i need a working video out? or i can everything from console?
Jul 05 16:49:35 <ppisati> *can i do
Jul 05 16:49:40 <ogra_> it drops you into tasksel ... if you dont select anything you get pretty much the same as deboostrap gets you ... but properly configured
Jul 05 16:49:54 <ogra_> we have serial and framebuffer netinst images
Jul 05 16:50:00 <ogra_> you can pick :)
Jul 05 16:50:25 <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap/netboot/
Jul 05 16:50:34 <ogra_> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/
Jul 05 16:50:43 <ppisati> cool
Jul 05 16:50:51 <ppisati> any doc how to use it?
Jul 05 16:50:54 <ppisati> i mean
Jul 05 16:50:55 <ogra_> boot.img-fat-fb is what i currently use
Jul 05 16:51:03 <ogra_> just dd it to the SD and boot
Jul 05 16:51:37 <ppisati> i throw all the stuff in a vfat partition on my sd and btoo from there
Jul 05 16:51:39 <ppisati> after that?
Jul 05 16:51:44 <ppisati> wait
Jul 05 16:52:12 <ppisati> ok
Jul 05 16:52:15 <ppisati> i'll try
Jul 05 16:52:19 <ogra_> just dd
Jul 05 16:52:30 <ogra_> nothing else ...
Jul 05 16:53:15 <ppisati> you mean cp
Jul 05 16:53:52 <ogra_> no
Jul 05 16:53:54 <ogra_> dd
Jul 05 16:54:06 <ppisati> i see
Jul 05 16:54:13 <ogra_> you download the file and dd it to the sd card
Jul 05 16:54:21 <ppisati> it's a boot.img
Jul 05 16:54:22 <ogra_> then you plug it into the board and boot
Jul 05 16:54:25 <ogra_> right
Jul 05 16:54:29 <ogra_> the installer is the initrd
Jul 05 16:54:33 <ppisati> ack
Jul 05 16:54:36 <ppisati> i'll try
Jul 05 16:55:00 <ogra_> take -serial though since you want serial output i guess
Jul 05 16:55:35 <ppisati> yep
Jul 05 16:55:38 * ogra_ finds it intresting that the gzipped versions of the omap4 image are 9M while the omap3 ones are 16M
Jul 05 16:56:01 <ogra_> seems omap3 has a lot more content in it
Jul 05 16:57:29 <ppisati> ogra_: in master we probably compile more modules
Jul 05 16:57:38 <ogra_> ah, that might be
Jul 05 16:57:51 <ogra_> more udebs and udeb content
Jul 05 16:57:59 <ppisati> yep
Jul 05 16:58:47 <ppisati> where does it hang for you?
Jul 05 16:59:38 <ogra_> well, i left it alone, but it was stuck at "selecting software" where it tried to access the net to pull down Packages.gz
Jul 05 17:00:08 <ogra_> manually unloading the smsc driver and running dhclient eth0 fixed it ... but dmesg is full of oopses
Jul 05 17:00:41 <ppisati> here is at
Jul 05 17:00:50 <ppisati> "Loading additional components"
Jul 05 17:00:56 <ppisati> and it's downloading stuff
Jul 05 17:01:00 <ppisati> xm rev c
Jul 05 17:01:40 <ogra_> right, "selecting and installing software" is pretty much at the end of the install
Jul 05 17:02:05 <ppisati> ok
Jul 05 17:02:10 <ppisati> i'll go till the end then
Jul 05 17:02:38 <ppisati> it's partitioning
Jul 05 17:02:45 <ogra_> yeah, just let it run ... might also be cause by idling ... i left it for like 45min before i checked again
Jul 05 17:02:53 <ogra_> *caused
Jul 05 17:03:33 * ogra_ has the beagle on a spare input of one of his desktop monitors ... i only occasionally switch to the other input to check
Jul 05 17:06:44 <ppisati> "Installing the base system"
Jul 05 17:22:11 <ogra_> grrr *sigh*
Jul 05 17:22:23 <ogra_> crashed again while downloading packages
Jul 05 17:41:50 <TypoNAM> is anybody else having a problem where when I move my mouse pointer to the far right hand side edge in Unity desktop on Ubuntu 12.04 on pandaboard the mouse pointer completely disappears? I did ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 to find just a completely white background canvas with my mouse pointer and nothing else is there as if my mouse got trapped in a second blank X11 session
Jul 05 17:42:24 <TypoNAM> the only way to get back into unity is to restart lightdm without rebooting :/
Jul 05 17:45:11 <ppisati> ogra_: btw, it's still installing
Jul 05 17:46:03 <ogra_> for me it failed again ...
Jul 05 17:46:14 <ppisati> "Finishing the installation"
Jul 05 17:46:34 <infinity> TypoNAM: I've never seen that with the default kernel and X drivers, no.  Are you using something fancy, like TI's PPA?
Jul 05 17:46:34 <ogra_> lucky you
Jul 05 17:46:44 <ppisati> done
Jul 05 17:46:55 <ogra_> to me it looks like the traffic on the USB hub makes it fall over
Jul 05 17:47:43 <ppisati> but it doesn't boot
Jul 05 17:47:55 <ogra_> hooray, i made it past the point
Jul 05 17:47:56 <ppisati> it created an ext2 /.boot partition
Jul 05 17:48:05 <ogra_> yeah, thats fine
Jul 05 17:48:08 <ppisati> and anoither ext3 for the rest
Jul 05 17:48:14 <ogra_> ext3 ?
Jul 05 17:48:16 <ogra_> sigh
Jul 05 17:48:21 <ogra_> should be ext4
Jul 05 17:48:22 <ppisati> ext4
Jul 05 17:48:35 <ogra_> i think thats all NCommander's parted-uboot stuff
Jul 05 17:48:41 <ppisati> so it's a kamikaze instyallation
Jul 05 17:48:41 <ogra_> which we seriously dont need
Jul 05 17:48:53 <ppisati> it does all the stuff it needs to do
Jul 05 17:48:59 <TypoNAM> infinity: just using powervr sgx graphics package, but nothing developmental
Jul 05 17:49:01 <ppisati> but it doesn't create the vfat boot partition
Jul 05 17:49:07 <ogra_> well, we dont need an ext2 /boot
Jul 05 17:49:11 <ppisati> yep
Jul 05 17:49:14 <ppisati> it's so x86
Jul 05 17:49:17 <ppisati> and so old
Jul 05 17:49:19 <ogra_> yep
Jul 05 17:49:27 <ogra_> and we dont use it for anything :)
Jul 05 17:49:43 <ogra_> all we use /boot for is to read kernel and initrd from there
Jul 05 17:49:49 <TypoNAM> infinity: I'm specifically using unity-2d (Ubuntu-2D option) since regular unity has rendering problems with pvr sgx enabled
Jul 05 17:49:52 <ogra_> to put them into the vfat
Jul 05 17:49:54 <infinity> ogra_: Weeeeeell...
Jul 05 17:50:01 <ogra_> or into flash
Jul 05 17:50:07 <infinity> ogra_: We don't need it if we use flash-kernel and stuff everything on the SD.
Jul 05 17:50:15 <ogra_> or other presistant storage the board needs to boot
Jul 05 17:50:19 <infinity> ogra_: It becomes useful if you use bootz instead of bootm.
Jul 05 17:50:36 <ogra_> why would that differ ?
Jul 05 17:50:36 <infinity> (Like we do on the highbank machines)
Jul 05 17:51:02 <ogra_> i mean, does bootz make any special use of /boot ?
Jul 05 17:51:10 <infinity> Yes.
Jul 05 17:51:20 <ppisati> anyway, it freak me out that you have so many problems with your beagle
Jul 05 17:51:20 <infinity> We don't load from a vfat, we load from /boot
Jul 05 17:51:21 <ogra_> oh, i thought its just a different bootm
Jul 05 17:51:23 <infinity> Which is sane and reasonable.
Jul 05 17:51:24 <ppisati> ogra_: ^
Jul 05 17:51:31 <ppisati> ogra_: have you tried serial installation?
Jul 05 17:51:31 <ogra_> infinity, depends
Jul 05 17:51:48 <ogra_> ppisati, not yet, and i seem to get through this time
Jul 05 17:51:57 <ppisati> ogra_: but still
Jul 05 17:52:04 <ppisati> ogra_: even if it fails just once
Jul 05 17:52:13 <ogra_> infinity, if your uboot cant support something else than vfat you cant use /boot
Jul 05 17:52:14 <ppisati> ogra_: it's something we should look at
Jul 05 17:52:33 <ogra_> yes, i will file bugs and all ... once i have a proper system
Jul 05 17:52:35 <infinity> ogra_: extload is enabled in every uboot we ship.
Jul 05 17:52:40 <ogra_> my dmesg if full of errors
Jul 05 17:52:57 <ogra_> infinity, that does say nothing about OEM projects :)
Jul 05 17:53:25 <ogra_> and i had my share of boot issues thanks to vfat /boot
Jul 05 17:53:34 <ogra_> or rather dpkg issues
Jul 05 17:54:40 <ogra_> if we once have a grub like bootloader (or even grub itself) i would go for /boot  ... as long as we go with uboot and flash-kernel, i wouldnt ... just adds the need for special casing again
Jul 05 17:55:22 <infinity> ogra_: vfat /boot is never the right answer.
Jul 05 17:55:29 <ogra_> heh, no
Jul 05 17:55:45 <ogra_> i learned that the hard way, years ago with my first classmatePC image
Jul 05 17:56:01 <ogra_> GEEZ !
Jul 05 17:56:26 * ogra_ bilt himself a new desktop machine last weekend ...
Jul 05 17:56:45 <ogra_> and i cloned and merged the contents of several old /home dirs on the new install
Jul 05 17:57:25 <ogra_> ... and i just stumbled over a loki install of unreal tournament GOTY in my homedir !
Jul 05 17:57:51 * ogra_ wonders if that still runs after all these years and on such new hardware
Jul 05 17:58:12 <infinity> Most of the old Loki ports still run, though the sound is suboptimal on a lot of systems.
Jul 05 17:58:13 <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ./ut
Jul 05 17:58:13 <ogra_> ./ut-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jul 05 17:58:17 <ogra_> sad :(
Jul 05 17:58:36 <infinity> Oh, and you might need some LD_PRELOADs. :P
Jul 05 17:58:53 <ogra_> well, its also an x86 game i guess i would need chroot fiddling
Jul 05 17:58:53 <infinity> I'm still annoyed with the Linux community in general that we didn't throw enough money at Loki to keep them afloat.
Jul 05 17:59:01 <ogra_> ++
Jul 05 17:59:10 <infinity> ogra_: Multi-arch libs should fix it.
Jul 05 17:59:16 <ogra_> i think i even paid for this version
Jul 05 17:59:36 <infinity> But yeah, hearing Linux gamers complain about the lack of top-shelf games on Linux when we had people actively porting, and no one bought their games.  Bleh.
Jul 05 17:59:39 <ogra_> well, multi arch might not bring me back old libs that are not existing anymore
Jul 05 17:59:58 <infinity> libx11.so.6 still exists.
Jul 05 18:00:05 <infinity> Not sure what else UT might want.
Jul 05 18:00:08 <infinity> ldd will tell you.
Jul 05 18:00:22 <ogra_> oh, sure, but i expect things like libstc++ etc to show up too
Jul 05 18:00:38 <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Games/ut$ ldd ut
Jul 05 18:00:38 <ogra_> 	\tdas Programm ist nicht dynamisch gelinkt
Jul 05 18:00:42 <infinity> ut-bin
Jul 05 18:00:45 <ogra_> lets see how well your german is ;)
Jul 05 18:01:00 <infinity> Programm isn't dyanmically linked, of course.
Jul 05 18:01:05 <ogra_> yep
Jul 05 18:01:07 <infinity> That one was a bit too easy.
Jul 05 18:01:11 <ogra_> haha
Jul 05 18:01:14 <infinity> Technical German and English are too close.
Jul 05 18:01:56 <ogra_> they are
Jul 05 18:02:35 <ogra_> we just took what you already had and just pronounced it differently
Jul 05 18:03:00 <infinity> To be fair, that's all English is, is German and French, poorly-pronounced.
Jul 05 18:03:04 <infinity> So, it seems fair. :P
Jul 05 18:03:20 <ogra_> heh
Jul 05 18:03:55 * ogra_ sighs ... with a 5760x1920 resolution i always lose track of where my mouse focus is
Jul 05 18:04:13 <infinity> Get a bigger pointer?
Jul 05 18:04:22 <infinity> Don't we have a "tap to hilight" option?
Jul 05 18:04:44 <ogra_> i usually use focus-follows-mouse ... but that suddenly exposes other issues *and* is really hard to enable nowadays
Jul 05 18:05:03 <ogra_> no, gnome dropped that "crtl to show mouse" feature
Jul 05 18:05:05 <ppisati> i still use focus-follow-mouse
Jul 05 18:05:23 <ogra_> well, try to play a flash movie fullscreen with FFM
Jul 05 18:05:37 <ppisati> whenever you move the mouse it exits full screen
Jul 05 18:05:39 <ppisati> i know :)
Jul 05 18:05:52 <ogra_> if you can eneter it at all
Jul 05 18:05:54 <scientes> yeah but that flash
Jul 05 18:05:56 <ogra_> *enter
Jul 05 18:05:58 <ppisati> it's verbotten! :)
Jul 05 18:06:02 <ogra_> hehe
Jul 05 18:06:02 <scientes> one of the buggiest commonly used pieces of software
Jul 05 18:06:12 <scientes> (on linux_
Jul 05 18:06:19 <ogra_> thats why adobe gave it to google now
Jul 05 18:06:35 <ogra_> at least the linux one
Jul 05 18:07:01 <scientes> lets see: audio problems, blue video tint with vdpau, stores big files in /tmp, drains battery, memcpy() where memmove() should be used
Jul 05 18:07:27 <ogra_> i guess they will fix that
Jul 05 18:07:41 <ogra_> given they plan to have it built into chromium
Jul 05 18:08:27 <ogra_> anyway ... time to find some dinner
Jul 05 18:08:31 * ogra_ is off
Jul 05 18:11:31 <scientes> https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/restricted-boots.jpg
Jul 05 18:15:52 <GrueMaster> Blue tint with vdpau?  Ok, so it isn't just me.  And here I thought youtube was invaded by aliens.
Jul 05 23:16:11 <TypoNAM> has anybody figured out a way to get ddd to stop hanging on "opening session" in Ubuntu 12.04?
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