**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 06 02:59:58 2012 Jul 06 03:22:56 I'm interested in obtaining a cortex a8 (or a9) tablet... can anyone confirm that Ubuntu will work on one or the other and to what satisfaction? Jul 06 03:30:07 Gnea: Other than us probably not having a kernel or bootloader that supports the specific hardware you're buying, the userspace will be just fine. Jul 06 03:41:22 as for satisfaction, that depends on a number of factors, including but not limited to availability of xorg drivers Jul 06 03:46:20 well, I'm looking specifically at the Eken line of tablets... it looks like their new line has done any extensive market saturation yet, so it may take some time Jul 06 03:46:36 s/has/hasn't/g Jul 06 03:47:39 infinity: being a kernel-configuring/compiling guru myself, I could probably get a kernel together for it at some point Jul 06 03:47:59 bootloader, OTOH, is a bit out of my league :) Jul 06 03:49:13 I'm just amazed that someone is making a tablet with ethernet *and* a usb 2.0 port built in Jul 06 03:55:25 Gnea: It may be less about configuring and compiling and more about hacking. Jul 06 03:55:51 Gnea: Unless the thing ships with linux anyway, then you can just cheat and use the kernel (and bootloader setup) it came with. Ish. Jul 06 03:56:53 infinity: they claim it's got android 4.0 Jul 06 03:58:28 Well, that's sort of Linux. ;) Jul 06 03:58:44 Desktop Linux can run under an Android kernel, generally, with a few potential hiccups. Jul 06 03:58:51 But it's good enough to fiddle with, at any rate. Jul 06 04:00:16 I've got an x-server running on my droid x, and that can be interesting at times, but not too useful :) Jul 06 04:31:32 Gnea: unless you get it for an amazing price the A10 is going to be a nightmare Jul 06 08:56:09 ppisati, urgh ... Jul 06 08:56:24 ogra_: that doesn't sound gut... Jul 06 08:56:48 ppisati, so i got my install to finish (funnily there is no beagleboard entry in the flash-kernel hardware DB, i had to add it) .... Jul 06 08:57:08 that bootloader bit didnt go so well and i now end up in the initrd shell ... Jul 06 08:57:24 (where i could fix the issue if ..... ) Jul 06 08:57:39 ... sadly i have no kbd or mouse now ... Jul 06 08:57:44 but what i found strange is that you had all these problems with netinst... Jul 06 08:57:52 could we compile the HID stuff in or some such ? Jul 06 08:58:24 well, it were only two problems actually Jul 06 08:58:38 dead usb? uhm... Jul 06 08:58:41 one is the NIC driver randomly commiting suicide under load Jul 06 08:58:57 and the other is flash-kernel actually not knowing about beagleboards Jul 06 08:59:15 once i worked around both i had a proper install Jul 06 08:59:32 (flash-kernel will be fixed in a minute) Jul 06 08:59:56 what *I* find intresting is, how could *you* finish your install with flash-kernel being completely broken Jul 06 09:00:06 but you never had any problem with smsc95xx in the other install, right? Jul 06 09:00:11 i mean Jul 06 09:00:15 the live or preinstalled Jul 06 09:00:28 no, but they dont have to work under load Jul 06 09:00:42 in preinstalled server the network only gets used to update apt once Jul 06 09:00:49 and to find the TZ Jul 06 09:01:07 uhm Jul 06 09:01:09 right Jul 06 09:01:16 in preinstalled/live desktop its similar but there also NM gets into the game Jul 06 09:01:43 In no case is a network required, however. Jul 06 09:01:51 but my current prob is the missing usb support in initrd Jul 06 09:02:00 missing? why? Jul 06 09:02:13 no idea, by my kbd definitely doesnt work :) Jul 06 09:02:16 Is initramfs-tools not giving you hid stuff? Jul 06 09:02:26 seems like Jul 06 09:02:35 at least something down the stack is missing Jul 06 09:02:56 without kbd thats hard to check :) Jul 06 09:03:13 might be USB completely missing or just HID bits Jul 06 09:03:19 We specifically add a bunch of hid_* modules. Jul 06 09:03:27 It's possible that ARM has differently-named ones. Jul 06 09:03:30 Which would be lame. Jul 06 09:03:36 right, its more likely the HUB isnt initialized or so Jul 06 09:03:49 do you have lights on the nic? Jul 06 09:04:05 is the mouse/keyb powered? Jul 06 09:04:05 Well, if you can get the system fully-booted at some point, I'd love an lsmod and such. Jul 06 09:04:06 * ogra_ is still *massively* surprised that flash-kernel has no trace of beagle support Jul 06 09:04:12 To compare against initramfs-tools. Jul 06 09:04:23 I'm not shocked about the lack of support. Jul 06 09:04:34 ppisati, neither num- nor capslock show any sight of life Jul 06 09:04:36 Loic did tell us the new DB didn't have many entries. Jul 06 09:04:45 * ppisati yesterday tried but was unable to get an installation at all Jul 06 09:04:47 Luckily, omap3 and omap4 support are a sed job away. Jul 06 09:05:01 ogra_: so IMO usb is dead Jul 06 09:05:02 infinity, heh, be careful ... Jul 06 09:05:07 ogra_: kernel version? Jul 06 09:05:25 took me a while to find out that it is "OMAP3 Beagle Board" but "OMAP4 Panda board" Jul 06 09:05:33 (note the capitalization) Jul 06 09:05:40 ogra_: Hah, yeah, I've noticed that before. :) Jul 06 09:05:51 ppisati, ugh, whtever is the the most current d-i image ... Jul 06 09:06:04 ogra_: Arguably, it's a "bug" with the Pandas, but one they get to live with. Jul 06 09:06:16 I wonder if they'll fix it with the Panda5, just to keep confusing you. Jul 06 09:06:26 so my sed replacing "OMAP4 PAnda" with "OMAP3 Beagle" didnt work somehow :P Jul 06 09:06:29 Or maybe go "OMAP5 panda Board" just for you. Jul 06 09:06:36 haha Jul 06 09:06:48 or probably Omap5 :) Jul 06 09:07:37 Anyhow, after a night of chasing kernel SRU buggery, I think I should find a pillow and get to know it better. Jul 06 09:07:42 Have fun with your Beagle madness. Jul 06 09:07:47 yeah, get some sleep Jul 06 09:07:54 heh, i will Jul 06 09:08:10 If anyone wants to send me an xM to replace the piece of &^%!$ on my desk, I'll suddenly feel more excited about helping out with omap3. :P Jul 06 09:08:23 talk to steve ? Jul 06 09:08:31 we should have some spare XMs in the DC Jul 06 09:08:32 He's the one who gave me this one. :P Jul 06 09:08:41 Oh, were the buildds xM? Jul 06 09:08:45 If so, we have a ton of them. Jul 06 09:08:51 right, i think they were Jul 06 09:08:57 not sure which rev Jul 06 09:08:58 I'll ask elmo's crew what we can do about getting those in the hands of developers. Jul 06 09:09:09 i *think* linaro owns them though Jul 06 09:09:17 we might need to ask there Jul 06 09:09:27 oh Jul 06 09:09:36 this boot has a lot more info ! Jul 06 09:09:44 Well, rev is less exciting. All xMs are 1GHz/512MB, right? Jul 06 09:09:54 udevd segfauilting doesnt help much with having input devices i guess Jul 06 09:09:56 ja Jul 06 09:10:10 Which sure beats the C4 I have. Jul 06 09:10:20 wow Jul 06 09:10:39 "mounting /dev on /dev/root failed: no such file or directory" Jul 06 09:10:46 err /root/dev indeed Jul 06 09:11:09 I assume root isn't mounted? Jul 06 09:11:14 that somehow smells like i dont even end up in the initrd Jul 06 09:11:15 Or not populated yet? Jul 06 09:11:47 shouldnt matter for mount if its empty or not Jul 06 09:12:00 its either /dev missing completely or /root/dev Jul 06 09:12:34 at the top of the screen i see the end of an oops, something went seriously wrong here Jul 06 09:13:41 aha, this time /dev is there but it cant find fstab (which the new flash-kernel needs to read the rootfs UUID from) Jul 06 09:14:24 ogra_: but why you don't have any problem with live images then? Jul 06 09:15:20 no idea Jul 06 09:15:42 i mean Jul 06 09:15:47 i havent had a successfull install, i cant really say if i would have probs Jul 06 09:15:49 i'm ok if errors are coherent Jul 06 09:15:54 but this way... Jul 06 09:16:05 no wait Jul 06 09:16:08 the installer worked in both Jul 06 09:16:11 didn't you say live image was ok? Jul 06 09:16:18 apart from the NIC issues which dont matter in live Jul 06 09:16:37 no, live image got me into a live session instead of the installer Jul 06 09:16:46 and the bioard doesnt have enough ram to run both Jul 06 09:16:57 and that's ok, right? Jul 06 09:17:01 i mean Jul 06 09:17:01 so i didnt bother at all to attempt an install Jul 06 09:17:06 ah ok Jul 06 09:17:15 the live session itself didnt have any issues Jul 06 09:17:17 ok we need a way to bisect this Jul 06 09:17:28 both, live and d-i run from SD Jul 06 09:17:35 the final install has root on USB Jul 06 09:17:48 i'm pretty sure we have some USB issues here Jul 06 09:18:01 which the missing kbd in initzrd points to as well Jul 06 09:18:02 i thin kwe have more than usb problems here Jul 06 09:18:13 see my email with you and Ming Jul 06 09:18:21 yes, that too Jul 06 09:18:24 ok Jul 06 09:18:28 we need to bisect this Jul 06 09:18:29 USB might just be a fallout Jul 06 09:18:32 right Jul 06 09:18:46 how can i recreate the netinst image? Jul 06 09:18:57 recreate ? Jul 06 09:19:03 i want to recreate one with pure vanilla kernel and omap2plus_defconfig Jul 06 09:19:15 so to see if upstream has it too Jul 06 09:19:18 thats quite effortful, you need to build d-i Jul 06 09:19:39 any way i can "open" the img and replace uImage&c? Jul 06 09:19:48 i would suggest trying with the preinstalled server image instead Jul 06 09:19:54 no Jul 06 09:20:32 uhm Jul 06 09:20:34 ogra_: Hrm? A netboot image? You can just write it to an SD, and then replace the bits you don't like. Jul 06 09:20:39 It's just a vfat. Jul 06 09:20:43 well, the installer *is* your initrd ... thats the prob here, you couold indeed replace the kernel in there but all your udebs wouldnt work and the installer would look for different versions all over the place Jul 06 09:21:01 (Assuming all you want to replace is the kernel) Jul 06 09:21:01 infinity, and the hardcoded versions ? Jul 06 09:21:09 modules etc Jul 06 09:21:11 If you're replacing the initrd, yeah, that's harder. Jul 06 09:21:31 well, just replacing the kernel will make the initrd contents incompatible Jul 06 09:21:40 at least all that contain modules Jul 06 09:21:43 Unless you replace it with a monolithic kernel ;) Jul 06 09:21:50 indeed :) Jul 06 09:23:38 * ppisati is thinking... Jul 06 09:25:33 so, problem crops up *only* after the installation, right? Jul 06 09:25:43 i never tried netinst in my rev a actually Jul 06 09:27:46 yes, on the installed system Jul 06 09:29:53 ogra_: so you should encounter it with the preinstalled image too, right? Jul 06 09:30:05 ppisati, hmm, so not finding / is my fault Jul 06 09:30:18 i messed up the partition when fiddling with flash-kernel Jul 06 09:30:31 err, or not Jul 06 09:30:37 ignore that Jul 06 09:30:46 (i looked at the wrong device) Jul 06 09:31:41 ogra_: ok, i'll finish with an O/omap4 kernel release Jul 06 09:31:47 k Jul 06 09:31:50 ogra_: and then i'll try with my rev c and rev a Jul 06 09:31:53 the preinstalled image Jul 06 09:31:54 * ogra_ will dig further Jul 06 09:32:20 bah, no installer logs were saved Jul 06 09:32:31 it looks like a mess Jul 06 09:32:49 no, thats normal if the installer cant do its things in the right order Jul 06 09:33:00 and if i hack stuff in inbetween Jul 06 09:34:25 i know it's a pain, but i'll have to ask you to retry with preinstalled then Jul 06 09:34:40 we don't what's going on with this netinst Jul 06 09:35:19 *don't know Jul 06 09:35:58 i do and want to fix these issues (thats why i picked netinst ) ... but yeah, no prob in testing preinstalled too Jul 06 09:37:17 ppisati, we should wait for rcn-ee to show up, he isially works with the bleeding edge kernels for his elinux ubuntu beagle images Jul 06 09:37:23 *usually Jul 06 09:37:33 yep Jul 06 09:37:42 he might know about any issues Jul 06 09:37:46 we can check with him if he knows anything is broken upstream Jul 06 09:38:15 thats what i mean :) Jul 06 09:42:16 * ogra_ sees musb_hdrc.fifo_mode=5 in rcn's boot.scr ... but that seems to be for beagle A-C Jul 06 09:43:12 ogra_: where is it? Jul 06 09:43:19 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#boot.scr_-.3E_uEnv.txt Jul 06 10:14:40 ogra_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ has only ac100, no omap3 Jul 06 10:19:29 ppisati, ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled Jul 06 10:20:18 ogra_: ok, found Jul 06 12:53:45 ogra_: perhaps i'm crazy but, my preinstalled omap3 here Jul 06 12:53:52 ogra_: i mean, the installation process Jul 06 12:53:55 ogra_: it never ends Jul 06 12:54:01 ogra_: it keeps restarting Jul 06 12:58:13 i'm not kidding, it never edns Jul 06 13:07:01 and it restarted again Jul 06 13:07:08 ... Jul 06 13:10:13 weird Jul 06 13:11:02 is there an emergency console available? Jul 06 13:12:41 not on preinstalled, no Jul 06 13:12:59 live has auto-logged-in tty's Jul 06 13:13:04 but not on serial Jul 06 13:16:24 uhm :( Jul 06 13:16:45 then i can't even complete the installation and see what's wrong... Jul 06 13:16:59 where does it restart ? Jul 06 13:17:04 somewhere in the middle ? Jul 06 13:17:11 after installing all the packages Jul 06 13:17:18 it goes back to the first screen Jul 06 13:17:21 installing packages ? Jul 06 13:17:24 on preinstalled ? Jul 06 13:17:25 (Choose the language for the installation) Jul 06 13:17:36 wait Jul 06 13:17:39 let me try again Jul 06 13:18:02 so i can tell you exactlty what's the title of the last dialog Jul 06 13:18:06 if the installer gets thorugh far enough you should be able to log in on a tty with the user you created Jul 06 13:18:24 i'm back to "Selecy a language" now Jul 06 13:19:08 it kept all my settings (Full user name, user name, hostname, etcetc) except for the pwd Jul 06 13:19:28 if you are sure it went far enough, put the SD into your desktop and remove /var/lib/oem-config/run Jul 06 13:19:29 ok Jul 06 13:19:39 now i'm at "Software selection" Jul 06 13:19:48 then boot it again and apt-get purge ubiquity Jul 06 13:19:49 i select "Basic Ubuntu server" + "OpenSSH server" Jul 06 13:19:54 right Jul 06 13:20:10 Installing system Jul 06 13:20:23 check if you can log in with that user... if debconf did set it up already you should eb able to do something with that system Jul 06 13:20:37 Configuring keyboard Jul 06 13:21:22 Configuring ah! Jul 06 13:21:26 ERROR: The OEM installer failed. Jul 06 13:21:29 first time Jul 06 13:21:33 after 7/8 restarts Jul 06 13:21:39 at least i've a console now Jul 06 13:21:44 great Jul 06 13:21:50 check if the user works Jul 06 13:21:57 i'm # Jul 06 13:22:03 if so, remove the file and the ubiquity package Jul 06 13:22:13 nope Jul 06 13:22:17 being in # should pretty much enable you to check for the user ;) Jul 06 13:22:20 /etc/passwd doesn't have my user Jul 06 13:22:25 crap Jul 06 13:22:50 well, for debugging you should be able to just use adduser (still remove the file and the ubiquity package) Jul 06 13:22:52 dmesg doesn't show anything Jul 06 13:22:58 i mean, no oopses Jul 06 13:23:01 or other crap Jul 06 13:23:19 /proc, /sys, /dev, etcetc Jul 06 13:23:21 are all mounted Jul 06 13:23:24 and are ok Jul 06 13:23:48 ah! Jul 06 13:23:57 /var/log/oem-instaler Jul 06 13:25:07 also syslog should have info Jul 06 13:25:30 might simply be ubiquity being broken ... there were some bugs that were only recently fixed Jul 06 13:25:36 http://paste.ubuntu.com/1078029/ Jul 06 13:25:40 most likely the fixes arent on this image Jul 06 13:33:23 http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/Jul062012_omap3_preinstall_brk/ Jul 06 13:33:26 ogra_: ^ Jul 06 13:33:47 permission denied for syslog Jul 06 13:34:00 retry Jul 06 13:34:19 well, console-setup seems pretty unhappy Jul 06 13:34:53 right Jul 06 13:34:54 ubiquity.install_misc.InstallStepError: Plugin console_setup failed with code 1 Jul 06 13:35:04 right Jul 06 13:35:08 in the oem-config log there more warns/errors Jul 06 13:35:12 i guess thats an old bug Jul 06 13:43:42 but still relevant Jul 06 13:43:48 who is the ubiquity guy? Jul 06 13:43:50 ogra_: ^ Jul 06 13:44:07 #ubuntu-installer ;) Jul 06 13:57:07 ogra_: ok so, i'll restart omap3 testiong on monday when the flash-install fixes hopefully landed Jul 06 14:02:22 just uploaded them Jul 06 14:02:30 they should be in the next build Jul 06 14:07:59 ppisati, have a look at the last comment of bug 709245 Jul 06 14:08:00 Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-linaro "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245 Jul 06 14:08:34 i wonder if thats related to the smsc95xx issues i see on omap3 Jul 06 14:09:03 (it has clearly nothing to do with the scheduler i think) Jul 06 14:18:34 ogra_: i agree there's something rotten in omap3 ATM Jul 06 14:18:43 well, thats omap4 though Jul 06 14:19:33 i thik there is either a general usb prob on the omaps or smsc95xx has an issue Jul 06 14:19:53 definitely could be Jul 06 14:20:01 as soon as we have a preinstalled working Jul 06 14:20:09 i want to try omap2plus_defconfig + vanilla Jul 06 14:22:19 sounds good Jul 06 15:27:38 helloo all Jul 06 15:28:09 I am trying to get perf tool to work on any ubuntu release Jul 06 15:28:39 I installed the linux tools but perf tool returns with error "open_counter" returned with error 19 Jul 06 15:28:53 did any one get the perf to work on any ubuntu release or daily builds? Jul 06 17:39:42 GrueMaster, ogra_, I have built the 3.2.14 kernel with snd-soc-overo builtin, and it does seem to work. Thanks very much! I'm getting an odd delay on playback.. Jul 06 18:20:58 tim__: Excellent! Jul 06 18:21:05 Not sure what to tell you on the delay/ Jul 06 18:21:43 its an issue with puredata- Jul 06 21:38:25 Hi, I have a question about Robert C Nelson's Ubuntu images on Beagle, sorry if this is the wrong channel Jul 06 21:39:17 I booted the latest pre-build Oneiric MMC card from here http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/oneiric/ Jul 06 21:39:41 go for it. ;) Jul 06 21:40:26 Thanks! Then I built replacement kernel .debs from https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev.git Jul 06 21:40:37 ah, 3.5-rc ? Jul 06 21:40:50 display is broken... Jul 06 21:40:53 3.2.0 Jul 06 21:41:15 I did a git checkout of a previous version Jul 06 21:41:22 use head of https://github.com/RobertCNelson/stable-kernel latest 3.2.x Jul 06 21:41:32 OK I will Jul 06 21:41:41 linux-dev is more experimental, and stabilized when moved to stable-kernel Jul 06 21:41:53 Anyway I copied the .debs onto the Beagle and installed them with dpkg -i Jul 06 21:42:07 (worked fine except for one file conflict in linux-firmware) Jul 06 21:42:22 but when I reboot, I am still using the old kernel Jul 06 21:42:23 don't bother with that firmware packg.. ;) Jul 06 21:42:45 OK cool. Do I need to update UBoot somehow? Jul 06 21:43:00 use the "./tools/install_image.sh" Jul 06 21:44:41 OK I have tools/load_uImage.sh Jul 06 21:44:50 it'll install directly to the sd card.. ;) Jul 06 21:45:57 Looks like I need to run ./build_kernel.sh instead of ./build_debs.sh then. Trying that now. Jul 06 21:46:06 Thanks for your help! Jul 06 21:46:12 deb is only useful if you don't have access to the machine. ;) Jul 06 21:47:10 Oh I see... if you want to install into a prebuilt image Jul 06 21:48:26 ./tools/rebuild.sh running now... on my powerful Atom CPU ;-) Jul 06 22:04:33 just a note, that only rebuilds the tree, so if you do a checkout another tag or something, that doesn't udpate the kernel/patachset to the specific checkout.. Jul 06 22:09:31 OK... so I should do build_kernel.sh instead of rebuild.sh? Jul 06 22:10:39 to give you an idea.. when i'm making small patches/tweaking the config i use the "rebuild.sh"... when starting from scratch with a new checkout use the full "build_kernel.sh"... Jul 06 22:11:47 otherwise, the "KERNEL" directory isn't going to be updated with your actual checkout, it'll still contain the old patch/config setup.. Jul 07 02:24:00 http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ Jul 07 02:24:18 holy shit, i386 has 3.5X the number as amd64 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 07 02:59:58 2012