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Jul 12 06:41:21 <janimo> lilstevie, I don't know whom you are referning to anymore, I saw about 3 3.1 based kernel trees on xda :(
Jul 12 07:14:03 <lilstevie> <janimo> lilstevie, do you know anything about the status of the 3.1 jhinta kernel for tf101? It sort of boots here, but hangs on starting network manager
Jul 12 07:14:07 <lilstevie> ^^ that one
Jul 12 07:20:19 <janimo> lilstevie, ah ok. INdeed that's the last one I tried. It boots but touchpad at least does not work
Jul 12 07:22:35 <lilstevie> janimo: I have had serious problems with him in the past
Jul 12 07:24:20 <janimo> lilstevie, it baffles me that in such a large community there's no 'blessed' git tree where everyone tries to build from an improve on. Instead there are from scratch ports and people posting binaries and zips around on megaupload for others to test
Jul 12 07:25:07 <lilstevie> janimo: welcome to the world of donation hustling
Jul 12 10:26:43 <sveinse> I'm running qemu-debootstrap to fetch natty armel. However, often than not, it fails with could not download package, or failed to get release file. The server it's using is a local mirror on our lan (and its working fine). Have anyone else had any experience with this issue?
Jul 12 12:26:00 <tinti> sveinse: which error?
Jul 12 13:17:27 <Just-in> so running into a issue when trying to unpack the 12.04 image for Beagleboard XM. Im running the comand md5sum ubuntu-12.04-r3-minimal-armhf.tar.xz and it gives me errors.
Jul 12 13:19:04 <Just-in> tar: xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory I checked and the file is in home. Did the md5sum check and it picked the file right up.
Jul 12 13:21:45 <ogra_> unpacking ?
Jul 12 13:21:46 <ogra_> where did you get that image from ? thats definitely not an official one
Jul 12 13:21:47 <ogra_> (there is nothing to unpack with the official ubuntu images)
Jul 12 13:22:03 <Just-in> got it from here http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Demo_Image
Jul 12 13:23:15 <ogra_> right, not an ubuntu image,  ask the creator
Jul 12 13:23:41 <ogra_> (which is likely robert c. nelson (rcn-ee), judging by the url)
Jul 12 13:24:12 <Just-in> is there a better image for the beagle board xm you may know of?
Jul 12 13:24:34 <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP that links to the official images
Jul 12 13:25:31 <Just-in> sweet got it.
Jul 12 13:44:16 <smplman> xranby_ac100: yea i looked at linaro stuff
Jul 12 13:50:35 <Just-in> WOO sd card is written and set up. Thanks for the help!
Jul 12 13:51:02 <ogra_> note that the desktop install requires a monitor for the initial setup
Jul 12 13:51:22 <ogra_> if you want to use serial you need to use the server image
Jul 12 13:53:12 <Just-in> Im useing the desktop one so ill grab a monitor with dvi.
Jul 12 13:53:25 * ogra_ sighs, still no sign of life with the ac100 images
Jul 12 13:53:44 <Just-in> thats not good
Jul 12 13:54:07 <ogra_> janimo, did you ever look into why we cant use more than 2M for the ac100 initrds ?
Jul 12 13:54:28 <ogra_> seems the quantal one is 2.6M ... and quantal images hang at the toshiba splash
Jul 12 14:57:35 <janimo> ogra_, never looked at that, only knew - from you - that there is a limit
Jul 12 14:58:19 <janimo> ogra_, is this a know limitation of the bootloader, known by the whole ac100 community?
Jul 12 15:33:59 <ogra_> janimo, well, i dont know if its known by anyone, i just see it exploding if i pass a certain size
Jul 12 15:34:24 <janimo> ogra_, O
Jul 12 15:34:38 <janimo> I mean I'll have a look too :)
Jul 12 15:36:13 <janimo> ogra_, what did quantal add that increased the initramfs size? I recall you saying that's the reason we should not add Ubuntu SAUCE as cryptsetup would increase the size too much
Jul 12 15:36:49 <ogra_> well, i tink binaries just got bigger
Jul 12 15:36:54 <ogra_> though ...
Jul 12 15:37:06 <ogra_> it seems dropping the cmdline makes it boot ?!?
Jul 12 15:39:47 <ogra_> (which is indeed bad since i cant get a working tty without console=tty1)
Jul 12 15:52:25 <janimo> ogra_, so droppping the cmdline entirely lets it boot but any cmdline options causes hangs? that is indeed weird
Jul 12 15:52:56 <janimo> ogra_, is console=tty1 needed as a workaround for plymouth + 3.1 kernel issues?
Jul 12 15:53:16 <ogra_> no, its needed for the broken kernel
Jul 12 15:53:32 <ogra_> afaik marvin24 still waits for a fix from nvidia for that one
Jul 12 15:53:42 <janimo> ogra_, but the same thing that chmod -x plymouthd works around?
Jul 12 15:53:46 <ogra_> you dont get any tty output without it
Jul 12 15:53:57 <ogra_> so i got it booting but have a black screen
Jul 12 15:57:39 <janimo> ogra_, even X does not show?
Jul 12 15:58:36 <ogra_> no X in the installer :)
Jul 12 16:07:33 * ogra_ tries with only console=tty1 added
Jul 12 16:16:00 <ogra_> janimo, hmm, ok, seems i got it up to a point where i get output and dont hang in the bootloader, but now it panics
Jul 12 16:16:32 <janimo> ogra_, ah the tarball installer. But good, progress :)
Jul 12 16:16:32 <ogra_> "stack-protector: Kernel stack is corrupted in: c06a594c"
Jul 12 16:16:55 <ogra_> no idea what to do with that ... especially since i cant scroll back now
Jul 12 16:17:25 <janimo> your own zImage or quantal deb?
Jul 12 16:17:34 <ogra_> quantal deb
Jul 12 16:17:40 <janimo> a cusotm kernel built is likely needed to debug it
Jul 12 16:17:51 <janimo> I can try debugging it
Jul 12 16:17:52 <ogra_> sigh, i feared that
Jul 12 16:18:37 <ogra_> well, i have a shiny new fast desktop workstation here ... just finished building it ... i guess i should start trying a cross build one day ;)
Jul 12 16:18:56 <janimo> ogra_, it's an excellent time to start cross compiling :)
Jul 12 16:19:03 <ogra_> haha
Jul 12 16:19:19 <janimo> if it is shiny new and fast you may get 2-3 minute kenrel builds
Jul 12 16:19:19 <ogra_> not really, once we have the calxeda HW cross building will so be last century
Jul 12 16:19:48 <janimo> my oldish core duo takes 20 min for a deb, and mucxh less for a barebones zImage
Jul 12 16:19:53 <ogra_> you will just build with -j2048 and get 30sec kernel builds :)
Jul 12 16:20:06 <janimo> you mean in 2015 :) ?
Jul 12 16:20:16 <janimo> or do you know somethig I don't
Jul 12 16:20:23 <ogra_> well, once we have the calxeda HW accessible for devs in the DC
Jul 12 16:20:40 <janimo> by that time 32 core Core i9 will kick any ARM server's butt anyway :)
Jul 12 16:20:52 <ogra_> lol
Jul 12 16:21:40 <ogra_> well, we worked with Martyn for two years to make sure we dont need to do any bringup work, so we had a guarantee that we can immediately put the HW into the london DC ...
Jul 12 16:21:57 <janimo> I used quad armadaxp for some builds and it is fast, but not quite as my laptop. is calxeda supposed to be much faster?
Jul 12 16:22:21 * ogra_ still doesnt get why that stuff went to lex ... but hey ... no more arm team, ...
Jul 12 16:22:52 <ogra_> calxeda is supüposed to be much *more* ... not much *faster* :)
Jul 12 16:23:27 <ogra_> you will simply drown in spare cores ;)
Jul 12 16:23:54 <janimo> leave it to libreoffice builds to shame any hardware
Jul 12 16:26:24 <ogra_> pfft
Jul 12 16:26:46 <ogra_> if you build a kernel you can have a job for every .c file ... that should be really speedy ...
Jul 12 16:27:04 <ogra_> for LibO its indeed bound to the slowest step of the build
Jul 12 16:27:17 <janimo> memory will be a bottleneck for large c++ builds
Jul 12 16:27:25 <janimo> I am not sure how much RAM calxeda hw has
Jul 12 16:27:36 <ogra_> they have DIMM sockets afaik
Jul 12 16:28:01 <janimo> it may not make sense to have more than -j8 if that fills up 2-3Gigs
Jul 12 16:28:03 <ogra_> like the armadaxp you should be able to just pulg in ram ... though i think it can only address up to two G
Jul 12 16:28:20 <janimo> well 32bit still, so limited indeed
Jul 12 16:28:26 <ogra_> right
Jul 12 16:29:05 <ogra_> the big advantage of claxeda is that you simply can throw cores at  a task if you need them ...
Jul 12 16:29:13 <ogra_> s/cores/machines/
Jul 12 16:29:40 <ogra_> would be good if the kernel could just merge the ram of these into one big chunk ;)
Jul 12 16:41:44 <robher_> 4G RAM on calxeda
Jul 12 16:45:05 <Just-in> Does the 12/04 arm image come with SGX video acceleration on it?
Jul 12 16:49:44 <marvin24> janimo, ogra_: if you give me something to test, I can try it here
Jul 12 16:50:20 <ogra_> well, i doubt you would see much more than i on your screen :)
Jul 12 16:50:25 <marvin24> btw, we could try with a 2 MB zero file in the initrd to check if it is a loader or and expander problem
Jul 12 16:50:35 <marvin24> ogra_: but I have a serial interface
Jul 12 16:50:37 <janimo> Just-in, try the linaro panda images, those have sgx by default
Jul 12 16:50:58 <janimo> make sure you pick the right flavour, only some have x11+sgx enabled
Jul 12 16:51:14 <Just-in> will that work on a Beagle board xm?
Jul 12 16:51:14 <ogra_> 12.04 has full SGX support
Jul 12 16:51:22 <ogra_> oh, not on omap3
Jul 12 16:51:32 <ogra_> and linaro wont have that either
Jul 12 16:51:48 <Just-in> thats what i was afraid of.
Jul 12 16:51:51 <ogra_> TI doesnt release the omap3 SGX drivers built for hardfloat
Jul 12 16:52:05 <Just-in> should i back down to 11.10 then
Jul 12 16:52:24 <ogra_> robher_, oh, how do you address the last GiG then ? PAE ?
Jul 12 16:52:48 <Just-in> not sure how smooth it will run with out SGX
Jul 12 16:53:00 <ogra_> what do you want to run ?
Jul 12 16:53:27 <Just-in> so far all it will be is a pc for people to use during breaks till i get a tower in.
Jul 12 16:53:28 <ogra_> the framebuffer driver is fine for all 2D stuff, its pretty usable even without SGX for normal desktop bits
Jul 12 16:53:36 <Just-in> im sure they will want to watch youtube and all that.
Jul 12 16:53:42 <ogra_> LOL
Jul 12 16:53:49 <ogra_> you surely picked the wrong arch
Jul 12 16:54:03 <Just-in> im starting to agree
Jul 12 16:54:04 <ogra_> (no flash for arm linux ...)
Jul 12 16:54:16 <Just-in> then they have no youtube
Jul 12 16:54:19 <Just-in> they can live
Jul 12 16:54:20 <ogra_> right
Jul 12 16:54:27 <robher_> ogra_:  1G kernel, 3G user
Jul 12 16:54:32 <janimo> Just-in, listen to ogra, I am not uptodate with panda/sgx
Jul 12 16:54:49 <ogra_> janimo, not panda, beagle :)
Jul 12 16:55:08 <Just-in> i wonder if Zsnes will run ok.
Jul 12 16:55:25 <ogra_> i dont think that needs 3D support in any way
Jul 12 16:55:49 <Just-in> shouldnt
Jul 12 16:55:54 * ogra_ has to run out and pick up his GF from a 50km away dentist appointment ... 
Jul 12 16:56:04 <Just-in> ouch
Jul 12 16:56:13 <ogra_> i wonder if other peoples GFs pick their dentist in the town they live in :P
Jul 12 16:56:21 <Just-in> mine didnt
Jul 12 16:56:34 <ogra_> heh, so i'm not alone
Jul 12 16:56:35 <Just-in> i think it so we have to go and get them
Jul 12 16:56:58 <Just-in> and listen to the drugged up convos on the drive home.
Jul 12 16:57:30 <ogra_> haha
Jul 12 16:58:27 <Just-in> aww man i just remebered i have some old usb game pads for the old cable set top boxes i could use for zsnes...
Jul 12 16:58:35 <Just-in> today is a great day
Jul 12 17:13:25 <marvin24> ogra_: I've put a 10MB file (full of zeros) into the initrd and it still boots
Jul 12 17:20:45 <marvin24> a 3MB file full of "randoms" gives an oops on boot ;-)
Jul 12 17:27:09 <janimo> marvin24, does a 10Mb initrd fit in the boot partition?
Jul 12 17:27:35 <marvin24> sure, if it's full of zeros it will be compress very well :-)
Jul 12 17:27:48 <marvin24> oops -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1088351/
Jul 12 17:28:18 <janimo> marvin24, ah uncompressed 10M
Jul 12 17:28:35 <Just-in> what hardwar eyou running that on?
Jul 12 17:29:14 <marvin24> Just-in: ac100
Jul 12 17:29:48 <marvin24> the oops looks like it cannot find the root fs
Jul 12 17:29:52 <Just-in> well isnt that a neat looking netbook
Jul 12 17:30:24 <Just-in> dear god that came with 2.1 on it
Jul 12 17:30:31 <marvin24> sure my dear
Jul 12 17:30:43 <marvin24> yes, that was an epic fail
Jul 12 17:30:53 <marvin24> but a nice hw ;-)
Jul 12 17:30:55 <Just-in> man
Jul 12 17:31:36 <Just-in> would have liked to see 1gb ram matched with the tegra
Jul 12 17:32:05 <marvin24> given that most other have 1GB ...
Jul 12 17:33:04 <marvin24> chromeos would have been better on it
Jul 12 17:33:23 <marvin24> but linux desktop also works nice with zram enabled
Jul 12 17:33:30 <janimo> indeed, a new toshiba with tegra3 and 2Gb of RAM would be an awesome netbook. Too bad there's no market for it
Jul 12 17:33:38 <Just-in> yeah
Jul 12 17:33:50 <Just-in> i like my little netbook
Jul 12 17:34:05 <Just-in> best 700 i ever spent
Jul 12 17:34:20 * marvin24 only spend 120 ...
Jul 12 17:34:28 <marvin24> for his 2nd one
Jul 12 17:34:41 * Just-in has a I7 and nvidia 335m
Jul 12 17:34:54 <Just-in> nothign better then gaming on a plane ride
Jul 12 17:35:44 <marvin24> and you call this a netbook?
Jul 12 17:35:59 <marvin24> time has passes sooo fast ...
Jul 12 17:36:04 <Just-in> it has a 11 inch screen and no cd drive so..
Jul 12 17:36:12 <Just-in> a uber netbook?
Jul 12 17:36:27 <marvin24> or a heater
Jul 12 17:36:36 <Just-in> lol
Jul 12 17:37:15 <Just-in> Shockley doesnt get to hot
Jul 12 17:39:55 <marvin24> ah, "Initramfs unpacking failed: uncompression error"
Jul 12 17:40:05 <marvin24> so likely a kernel thing
Jul 12 18:05:42 <janimo> ogra_, git clone -b packaging-3.1  git://kernel.ubuntu.com/jani/ubuntu-ac100.git
Jul 12 18:05:52 <janimo> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf-  ARCH=arm make paz00_defconfig
Jul 12 18:06:20 <janimo> CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf-  ARCH=arm make  -j 16 zImage
Jul 12 18:06:31 <janimo> or whatever, depending how many cores you have :)
Jul 12 18:06:50 <janimo> you probably get a zImage in 1 minute
Jul 12 18:11:21 <stgraber> ogra_: are today's omap4 images working for you?
Jul 12 18:17:22 <ogra_> stgraber, i havent tested omap4 since the alpha release
Jul 12 18:17:28 <ogra_> but they should
Jul 12 18:21:45 <stgraber> ogra_: it's failing with "oem-config/enable doesn't exist" here... I haven't been able to install for a reason or another for over a week now :) (testing with edubuntu though, but shouldn't make a difference)
Jul 12 18:22:06 <stgraber> starting an install with -d now, hopefully I can figure out what's going on
Jul 12 18:56:53 <marvin24> ogra_: I think the compressed initrd is either not loaded completely, or the end is overwritten after load
Jul 12 18:57:14 <marvin24> I tried to increase initrd_phys, but no change
Jul 12 19:04:15 <infinity> marvin24: With which bootloader?
Jul 12 19:04:53 <infinity> marvin24: If this is under uBoot, try setting "setenv initrd_high 0xffffffff"
Jul 12 19:05:29 <infinity> marvin24: If fastboot, no idea.
Jul 12 19:06:00 <marvin24> fastboot ...
Jul 12 19:06:20 <marvin24> I ask a u-boot user to try on #ac100
Jul 12 19:06:44 <infinity> If it's just too big, it could be getting truncated in the boot partition?
Jul 12 19:18:56 <marvin24> no, nvflash would fail
Jul 12 19:19:12 <marvin24> infinity: but if the kernel uncompresseds the initrd over the compressed initrd, we have a problem
Jul 12 19:19:35 <marvin24> AFAIK, the mem layout is kernel, compressed initrd, uncompressed initrd
Jul 12 19:19:53 <marvin24> there is also something tiny before the kernel
Jul 12 19:24:03 <ogra_> stgraber, erm ... are you sure you are testing a live image ? we dont roll preinstalleds anymore apart from ac100
Jul 12 19:24:24 <ogra_> (i dont think live does anything with oem-config by default)
Jul 12 19:27:28 <stgraber> ogra_: it's definitely a live image ;)
Jul 12 19:27:47 <ogra_> weird
Jul 12 19:27:53 <stgraber> ogra_: it's crashing right after hw-detect so I'm testing the new ubiquity as Colin added some debugging in that area of the code
Jul 12 19:28:11 <ogra_> i wonder where that comes from then ... we used to use oem-config indeed on the preinstalleds
Jul 12 19:28:36 <stgraber> based on some other bug reports on LP, the error might be completely unrelated to the problem ;)
Jul 12 19:29:58 <ogra_> heh, hopefully
Jul 12 19:32:58 <stgraber> well, maybe for you, but I'm not looking forward to debug something where the only error message has nothing to do with the problem :)
Jul 12 19:33:37 <stgraber> though it's pretty rare to get an "obvious" ubiquity bug these days, they're all weird race conditions triggering a crash 5 minutes after the actual problem happened
Jul 12 19:41:41 <Inoperable> hi
Jul 12 19:41:46 <Inoperable> anybody alive in here?
Jul 12 19:42:40 <ogra_> stgraber, i'll test omap4 tomorrow, in case you didnt get to the issue yet, i'll take a look as well
Jul 12 19:43:02 <ogra_> omap4 was simply out of my focus for a few days ... fighting with debian-cd and the ac100 issues
Jul 12 19:47:08 <Inoperable> ogra_, ac100 is a tegra2 thing, right?
Jul 12 19:47:25 <Inoperable> im trying to get debian on eee pad transformer
Jul 12 19:47:42 <Inoperable> is working pretty well as far as you use the console ;)
Jul 12 19:49:23 <ogra_> Inoperable, lilstevie does the same with ubuntu :)
Jul 12 19:54:32 <Inoperable> ogra_, yeah i know - just got his OLife opened on the console ;)
Jul 12 19:54:45 <Inoperable> and flashing it like 234 time
Jul 12 19:55:07 <Inoperable> i guess i'm gonna fry that flash ram sooner or later
Jul 12 19:56:01 <Inoperable> lilstevie, what is this tegra 2 flash thing? i wanted to beta test ;)
Jul 12 20:07:15 <marvin24> btw, will ubuntu pack http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=tools/tegrarcm.git;a=summary ?
Jul 12 20:07:53 <marvin24> it is an open-source nvflash replacement
Jul 12 20:08:29 <infinity> Oo.
Jul 12 20:08:38 <infinity> Works on all the same devices?
Jul 12 20:08:42 <infinity> And does the same thing?
Jul 12 20:08:58 <marvin24> works on all tegra devices
Jul 12 20:09:15 <marvin24> only for flashing via usb
Jul 12 20:09:16 <ogra_> marvin24, i'm on it but it moved down on my TODO
Jul 12 20:09:27 <ogra_> srwarren pointed me to is two weeks ago
Jul 12 20:09:33 <ogra_> s/is/it/
Jul 12 20:09:38 <marvin24> ogra_: cool, thanks!
Jul 12 20:11:14 <infinity> ogra_: Do you maintain anything in Debian?
Jul 12 20:11:24 <ogra_> infinity, its the free nvflash that exists way longer than nvflash already (internally at nvidia)
Jul 12 20:11:25 <infinity> ogra_: I'd either (a) sponsor that for you, or (b) do the Debian maintenance.
Jul 12 20:11:45 <ogra_> infinity, well, i was wondering about DD :)
Jul 12 20:12:01 <infinity> Right, well, you maintaining and me sponsoring it for you is a good step on the road to DDship.
Jul 12 20:12:08 <ogra_> but essentially i'm doing that since i started at canonical ...
Jul 12 20:13:09 <ogra_> though being flash-kernel uploader in debian would massively help, stuff starts piling up again already ...
Jul 12 20:58:22 <Inoperable> marvin24, any docs for tegra-rcm?
Jul 12 20:58:37 <Inoperable> i just compiled it and it runs - but i dont know how to use it hehe
Jul 12 21:00:33 <Inoperable> the readme does not says a lot ;)
Jul 12 21:08:14 <Inoperable> well nevermind
Jul 12 21:08:23 <Inoperable> does anybody got a working 3.1 kernel on tegra2?
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