**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 23 02:59:58 2012 Jul 23 09:19:33 marvin24, so did you try rebasing on the l4t-r15 nvidia branch? Jul 23 09:22:03 ogra_: willing to test an omap3 kernel on your xm? Jul 23 09:23:25 ppisati, sure, but i have to check if i have a working install, i think i trashed the last one with a broken netinst Jul 23 09:23:51 (so it might take a little to roll a new one) Jul 23 09:24:41 ack Jul 23 09:24:56 i'll prepare the kernel, put it somewhere and point you to it Jul 23 09:24:59 ogra_: ^ Jul 23 09:25:30 k Jul 23 09:25:42 oh wow, this is neat ! http://www.arm.com/community/partners/display_product/rw/ProductId/6951/ Jul 23 09:26:38 "OpenBlocks AX3", " SO-DIMM (4 GbE ports model, up to 2 GB can be added), " ... "1 SATA port and 1 eSATA port" .... "dual core Marvell(R) 1.33 GHz (based on ARM v7 instruction set architecture)" Jul 23 09:26:55 janimo: yes Jul 23 09:27:06 but usb fails to resume now :-( Jul 23 09:27:30 http://openblocks.plathome.com/products/obs_a/ ... "Only Available in Japan " Jul 23 09:27:33 *sniff* Jul 23 09:27:42 ogra_: If our Armada kernel will boot that out of the box, I'll take two. Jul 23 09:27:45 marvin24, you mean any usb device Jul 23 09:28:09 infinity, that would need some emmiting *gg* Jul 23 09:28:15 no, only devices connected to ehci2 (wifi) Jul 23 09:28:37 janimo: should be fixable though Jul 23 09:29:10 ogra_: The slightly beefier version there, if I could get a decent WiFi PCIe card for it, and an antenna that doesn't suck, would handily replace my G3 tower for my core router at home. Jul 23 09:29:17 ogra_: Well, the 4-port version would. Jul 23 09:30:03 you would do builds on a router ? or use a router as buildserver ? Jul 23 09:30:05 marvin24, I'll check out that kernel. The one we have now in Ubuntu is based on same nvidia but without your latest patches since the last ubuntu package Jul 23 09:30:17 and this one causes X to not come back well after resume Jul 23 09:30:49 ogra_: No, I'd use it as a router. :P Jul 23 09:30:57 janimo: oh, bad Jul 23 09:30:59 heh, what a waste Jul 23 09:31:19 it could replace all your pandas in one go Jul 23 09:31:30 ogra_: Nah, it's not THAT fast. Jul 23 09:31:37 ogra_: (Though, the expandable RAM is a huge win) Jul 23 09:31:45 sata as well Jul 23 09:32:09 that togetzher will make it as fast as the armada board Jul 23 09:32:17 I have an mx53 and mx6 with SATA, that's less exciting. Jul 23 09:32:32 oh, you have an mx6 ? Jul 23 09:32:33 But man, I'd love some RAM. Jul 23 09:32:35 *envy* Jul 23 09:32:51 Not much to envy, since it seems like the Freescale Landing Team has all but disappeared. Jul 23 09:32:57 I need to hunt down WTF is going on there. Jul 23 09:33:02 oh, bad Jul 23 09:33:29 infinity, btw, do you have an idea why ubuntu-server daily doesnt build armhf+omap4 ? Jul 23 09:33:49 according to default-arches it should Jul 23 09:33:59 I wasn't aware that it didn't. Haven't you taken over ownership of images this cycle, so I can pretend I don't care? :) Jul 23 09:34:14 (works awesome now, i fiddled with it over the weekend) Jul 23 09:34:51 infinity, i did, but you know cdimage as well and i cant find the cause ... Jul 23 09:35:11 ogra_: Are you talking daily-preinstalled (which hasn't built since June...) or some new-fangled thing? Jul 23 09:35:35 alternate ubuntu-server for arm Jul 23 09:35:43 ubuntu-server daily Jul 23 09:36:15 +ubuntu-server * * amd64 amd64+mac i386 powerpc armhf+omap4 Jul 23 09:36:28 (since last week) Jul 23 09:36:43 but there is also: Jul 23 09:36:47 ubuntu-server daily-preinstalled quantal armhf+omap armhf+omap4 Jul 23 09:37:59 ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ CDIMAGE_ROOT=. ALL_DISTS="quantal precise" bin/default-arches ubuntu-server daily quantal Jul 23 09:37:59 amd64 amd64+mac i386 powerpc armhf+omap4 Jul 23 09:38:17 ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ CDIMAGE_ROOT=. ALL_DISTS="quantal precise" bin/default-arches ubuntu-server daily-preinstalled quantal Jul 23 09:38:18 armhf+omap armhf+omap4 Jul 23 09:38:35 but ubuntu-server armhf+omap4 is never attempted Jul 23 09:38:43 (for daily) Jul 23 09:39:06 building it manually with ARCHES= set works fine Jul 23 09:39:20 (and only takes 10 min !) Jul 23 09:40:54 Can we actually install meaningfully from altrenateish media now? Keen. Jul 23 09:41:06 yep, works flawless Jul 23 09:41:42 and i started shipping a boot.scr-serial file that you can just cp in place if you want serial enabled Jul 23 09:45:16 ogra_: Was there much point in dropping the server preinstalled in favour of alternates, if server will (some day) change format again anyway? Jul 23 09:45:30 it wont chanage format Jul 23 09:45:37 ? Jul 23 09:45:43 Has Daviey given up on that? Jul 23 09:45:55 the install is still d-i usinf live-installer to copy a squashfs in place as i understood that Jul 23 09:46:05 Well, yes. Which is a format change. :P Jul 23 09:46:39 well, i want arm images to be in sync with what x86 does Jul 23 09:46:51 i would have to do that in any case Jul 23 09:47:04 if i do it before or after the switch doesnt matter Jul 23 09:47:27 Fair enough. Jul 23 09:48:11 i doubt colin will invent a new imagetype for it but just change "daily" Jul 23 09:48:36 (he implements it in his spare time as i understood) Jul 23 09:52:43 ogra_: Alright, well. I fixed the default-arches syntax (and committed). Jul 23 09:52:56 ogra_: If that doesn't make it magically happy, I'm not sure what the breakage might be. Jul 23 09:52:56 * ogra_ pulls and takes a look Jul 23 09:53:26 I'm also not sure how bin/default-arches was "working" with the previous copy... Jul 23 09:53:41 well, see above Jul 23 09:53:52 Yes, I see it working. I'm not sure why. :P Jul 23 09:53:58 it even gave me the expected output Jul 23 09:55:23 ah, drat ... Jul 23 09:55:32 so just removing the dash would have been enough Jul 23 09:55:53 (form precise-) Jul 23 09:56:48 infinity, thanks so much ! Jul 23 09:57:12 ogra_: Well, I make no promises that it's working until you test it. :P Jul 23 09:57:15 ogra_: But it should. Jul 23 10:00:49 * ogra_ moves on to finbally fix netboot images Jul 23 10:01:19 ogra_: \o/ Jul 23 10:01:44 sorry that it took so long to get there, the alternates were more broken than i thought Jul 23 10:02:09 ogra_: np, i'm just glad you find time now :) Jul 23 10:02:21 :) Jul 23 10:42:02 bug #721147 Jul 23 10:42:04 Launchpad bug 721147 in flash-kernel "flash-kernel subarch check fails with Linaro OMAP kernels" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721147 Jul 23 10:42:23 ogra_: is ping from #pandaboard above bug? Jul 23 10:48:35 LetoThe2nd, yep, though in your case the bug is in the way you packaged it i think Jul 23 10:49:05 ogra_: seems like nop-ing check_subarch() in /ust/sbin/flash-kernel does the trick.... Jul 23 10:49:18 (even the linaro kernels use the subarch in tehir name) Jul 23 10:53:49 ok, it *did* claim to flash this time, but it still boots the old kernel Jul 23 11:00:35 lilstevie, do you know what the 'kinteractiveup task blocked for more than 120 seconds' could be caused by? Most references on the net are in pastebins Jul 23 11:00:44 even changing the inird.img and vmlinuz links in /boot does not seem to effect the selected kernel :( Jul 23 11:09:38 janimo: interactive task scheduler literally grepping 'kinteractiveup' would have shown you that Jul 23 11:10:08 lilstevie, right I see that but I don't know what the actual bug is Jul 23 11:10:29 I saw your fix is disabling that config option Jul 23 11:11:41 yep, no need for interactive scheduling IMO Jul 23 11:21:21 How is the uboot files updated in precise? I't cant find how mkimage is run on the kernel and the initramfs in precise. It seems the method have been changed... Jul 23 11:28:02 I think I found it. I missed calling /etc/kernel/* hooks from my kernel pre/postinst scripts. Jul 23 12:22:05 ogra_: 600$ for that thing?!?! (i mean the openblock embedded board) Jul 23 12:22:25 yeah, its not a cheapo, but its pretty powerful Jul 23 12:22:30 should shorten your builds a lot Jul 23 12:22:40 ogra_: ok, but with 600$ you can buy an i7 maybe Jul 23 12:22:41 well, not yours, wont indeed be as fast as cross Jul 23 12:23:02 burt ofr everything that cant use cross it would be great Jul 23 12:23:05 *for Jul 23 12:23:49 ogra_: bryan is looking after a marvell(?!?!) board quad-core + sata Jul 23 12:24:42 yeah, next gen Jul 23 12:25:02 * ogra_ needs to reboot, brb Jul 23 12:35:14 I observe that update-initramfs is being called twice when installing a new kernel. The first time with the -c option (which does not run any hooks) and the second with -u that does. Is this expected behaviour? Jul 23 12:45:12 ogra_: when you want to test omap3, here it is: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.5.0-6-omap_3.5.0-6.6~next_armhf.deb Jul 23 16:50:51 infinity, are the cdv packages icky? Jul 23 16:50:58 cedarview Jul 23 16:51:51 janimo: Probably. I haven't had the time to delve deeply into them. :/ Jul 23 16:52:29 np, thanks Jul 23 18:39:45 just fyi, if anyone has some wish list items for an omap5 community board, now is the time to discuss them Jul 23 18:40:56 please give us the ability to attach a RTC backup battery? ;) Jul 23 18:41:09 don't even have to provide a battery holder, just a few pins would be nice Jul 23 18:42:44 prpplague: SODIMM slot, SODIMM slot, and SODIMM slot. Jul 23 18:42:55 infinity: ?? Jul 23 18:43:18 prpplague: The limited RAM on these boards is the one thing that kills their usefulness in many situations. Jul 23 18:43:40 they're embedded SoCs, not desktop processors :P Jul 23 18:43:44 infinity: give me an example Jul 23 18:43:55 TypoNAM: There's no distinction anymore. Jul 23 18:44:03 infinity: i have never even come close to using all the ram on panda Jul 23 18:44:14 prpplague: Then you don't use yours to build software natively. Jul 23 18:44:19 prpplague: Many of us do. :P Jul 23 18:44:33 infinity: which makes no sense at all, imho Jul 23 18:45:02 You can carry on having that HO, but you're just as "wrong" as I am. :P Jul 23 18:45:18 prpplague: I really do like the pandaboard ES PCB layout, but there's been some complaints about the tall audio and USB+ethernet ports though for trying to fit the boards into thin enclosures such as purposing laptop cases, hehe Jul 23 18:45:25 infinity: "that HO" ? Jul 23 18:45:36 prpplague: "humble opinion". Jul 23 18:46:20 infinity: there is a place and time for doing native complies, but one that requires massive amount of memory simply implies that it would be better done on a workstation Jul 23 18:46:35 prpplague: OMAP5 is the first A15 I'll be able to get my hands on (probably), being able to use it as a solid test bed (and build environment) for Xen and KVM will be lovely. Limiting the RAM will make it much less useful (as the Pandas are much less useful to me than they could be) Jul 23 18:46:37 TypoNAM: yea got that one down already Jul 23 18:47:01 prpplague: Yes, well. You're not building a distribution on/for them. I am. Just sayin'. Jul 23 18:47:06 infinity: and what "amount" of ram would you want? Jul 23 18:47:24 Cross-compiling entire distros is actually much more effort than people claim it is, and really not worth it. Jul 23 18:47:41 I'll be happy with the 1GByte minimum as we currently have the pandaboard ES :P Jul 23 18:48:00 infinity: and you? Jul 23 18:48:02 TypoNAM: Yes, but you also don't build on them, I'm assuming. Jul 23 18:48:27 infinity: I'm doing native build with software yes, but not entire distributions Jul 23 18:48:28 prpplague: If it must be hard-wired, 4G would be a nice start. Jul 23 18:48:54 But heck, even if we discount building, it's a quad-core A15, supports virtualisation, etc. 1G is... not much. Jul 23 18:48:55 infinity: even if the price was much more expensive? Jul 23 18:49:15 infinity: omap5 is dual core Jul 23 18:49:19 prpplague: It wouldn't be "much" more expensive, unless someone puts a premium on it to increase margins. Maybe 20-50$ at the most. Jul 23 18:49:51 infinity: it adds more than you think to the cost Jul 23 18:49:53 prpplague: Is it? Why was I under the impression it was 4? Anyhow. The A15 and virt bits stand. It's not a "slow" CPU. Jul 23 18:51:09 I believe the PowerVR graphics is quad-core in OMAP5 Jul 23 18:51:19 infinity: don't know why you thought it was quad A15 Jul 23 18:51:30 infinity: there are four cores, but only two of them are A15 Jul 23 18:51:58 infinity: http://focus.ti.com/en/graphics/wtbu/omap5/OMAP5430-SoC_tn.gif Jul 23 18:52:16 * suihkulokki would also like a SODIMM but is also a distro builder :P Jul 23 18:52:52 http://focus.ti.com/en/graphics/wtbu/omap5/OMAP5430-SoC_large.gif Jul 23 18:53:02 prpplague: Yeah, so I see. No idea where I got the 4 from. Doesn't much matter. Jul 23 18:53:17 TypoNAM: thanks thats the one i meant to post Jul 23 18:54:09 And I suppose using the 5432 part is out of the question? :) Jul 23 18:54:23 (Which would make the use of normal laptop RAM much simpler) Jul 23 18:55:42 infinity: the board you want will probably cost the same as an iPad 3 Jul 23 18:55:49 infinity: well, most "laptop" sodims are designed for a 64-bit data bus. since the OMAP5 is designed around 32-bit operations, you would only get 1/2 of the memory of a general sodimm memory device Jul 23 18:56:37 TypoNAM: The 5432 is cheaper than the 5430... Jul 23 18:58:53 prpplague: Maybe I'm misreading "dual-channel DDR3" on the larger/cheaper part? *shrug* Jul 23 18:59:22 infinity: yea you are Jul 23 18:59:58 Anyhow. More RAM, either hardwired or expandable, would make me (and many people I know) a happy camper. Beyond that, I have no laundry list. Jul 23 19:00:15 I assume the board will have a SATA header? But if not, I can live without it. Jul 23 19:01:00 just asking for input on a possible board right now Jul 23 19:03:06 * infinity thought the Panda5 already more or less existed, just not in GA production. Or are you working on a competing product? Jul 23 19:04:05 infinity, do you even have specs for the panda 5? Jul 23 19:04:36 scientes: Other than hallway conversations with robclark about the one on his desk, no. :P Jul 23 19:08:27 prpplague, and building kernel or other big packages is actually a good stability test for the platform.. just fyi Jul 23 19:09:23 robclark: i am not totally against native builds, it has it's place Jul 23 19:11:50 true.. but keep in mind ARM is closing the desktop gap.. if it were cost effective SODIMM slot would be nice so people could put in whatever amount of memory.. (that said, going beyond 2GiB we start leaning on LPAE which should make for fun kernel bugs at the beginning) Jul 23 19:12:10 infinity: what kind of builds are you doing that uses up all the RAM? are you running parallel builds or something? Jul 23 19:12:21 TypoNAM, ever build chromium? Jul 23 19:12:39 (to be fair.. that one I've only cross compiled, but it even struggles with the 4GiB on my laptop) Jul 23 19:12:42 TypoNAM: Try webkit. Jul 23 19:12:54 TypoNAM: Or *anything* C++/boost. Jul 23 19:13:00 Or.. Well... Lots of things. Jul 23 19:13:19 my projects are C++ with boost libraries, but they're only about 50 .cpp source files though :P Jul 23 19:13:22 TypoNAM: When I said "an entire distro", I meant it. There's no "what kind of builds here", it's "everything in the Debian and Ubuntu archives". Jul 23 19:13:49 s/ here"/" here/ Jul 23 19:13:55 yeah, but it does matter if you're building each package at a time or trying to build multiple of them at once ;) Jul 23 19:13:59 robclark, i've compiled chromium on armv5t Jul 23 19:14:01 an o5 panda w/ 4+GiB RAM would be worth it's weight in unobtanium for someone who had to build chromium Jul 23 19:14:04 TypoNAM: One at a time. Jul 23 19:14:09 with 1.5GB ram Jul 23 19:14:23 and no swap! Jul 23 19:14:37 Don't get me started on the joys of swapping to USB. ;) Jul 23 19:14:40 (thats with NaCl disabled) Jul 23 19:15:15 robclark, chromium actually built with 1.5GB ram and no swap, so its not insane Jul 23 19:15:18 about the same as firefox Jul 23 19:15:35 scientes, well, ok.. when I was cross compiling, i had debug syms enabled. Jul 23 19:15:45 yes i am unable to build firefox with debug symbols Jul 23 19:15:49 i don't have enough ram Jul 23 19:15:49 I assume there is no dbg package for firefox or chromium on arm Jul 23 19:15:53 webkit generally hits just shy of the 3G-per-process limit when linking. Jul 23 19:16:00 infinity: don't suppose you've picked up one of those odroid-x boards yet? Jul 23 19:16:04 Which is a laugh riot when you're swapping 2G of that to disk. Jul 23 19:16:04 but actually this built the chromium debug symbols in 1.5gb, but it did have optimization on Jul 23 19:16:11 the debug symbols themselves are 500MB Jul 23 19:16:44 http://packages.debian.org/sid/chromium-dbg Jul 23 19:16:52 hmm, last time I built (r20 or so), the executable w/ debug symbols was itself about 1.5GiB.. and dropped to maybe around 60MiB if you strip debug syms Jul 23 19:17:20 so > 1GiB of debug symbols Jul 23 19:17:36 prpplague: Nope, though I'd end up with the same complaint (or worse, given the two more cores, and the urge to eat all the RAM twice as fast with -j4 instead of -j2) Jul 23 19:17:43 it took a few hours to link on my core i7 laptop w/ 4GB Jul 23 19:17:48 robclark, yeah the diff might be that ubuntu+debian dynamically link alot of stuff, instead of statically link Jul 23 19:17:57 ahh, yeah, for sure Jul 23 19:18:06 default chromium build statically links the world Jul 23 19:18:08 however its still a mess how much is statically linked Jul 23 19:18:20 yeah, tell me about it Jul 23 19:18:38 like chromium makes one incompatible change to protobufs (their own upstream!) which means you can't dynamically link Jul 23 19:18:57 heheh, yeah, it's insane **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 24 02:59:58 2012