**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2012
Oct 22 06:28:03 <ojn> Alright, getting ubuntu onto the arm chromebook wasn't hard at all (I went the conservative way and installed it on an SD card though). It's a bit janky though, so I'm looking forward to what those who have patient to fix up those kind of things will do to it. :-)
Oct 22 06:31:36 <SoulShadow> wow
Oct 22 06:31:39 <SoulShadow> you got one already?
Oct 22 06:31:59 <SoulShadow> ojn: did you pull the mali drivers from chromeos and use the chromeos kernel?
Oct 22 06:32:15 <ojn> SoulShadow, I work on Chrome OS, I've had these devices for quite a while by now. :-)
Oct 22 06:32:25 <ojn> SoulShadow, Sticking to Xfb for now.
Oct 22 06:32:47 <SoulShadow> you do?
Oct 22 06:32:50 <ojn> https://plus.google.com/109993695638569781190/posts/b2fazijJppZ for what I did, it wasn't hard.
Oct 22 06:33:00 <SoulShadow> OH THATS YOU?
Oct 22 06:33:05 <SoulShadow> Hi, I'm Nick.
Oct 22 06:33:40 <ojn> Ah, hey.
Oct 22 06:34:00 <SoulShadow> I really am impressed and floored with how open your team is
Oct 22 06:35:16 <ojn> It comes and goes a bit, but since most of the work we do is in the open in the first place, taking the final step and actually talking a bit about it in public isn't a huge one. It tends to come and go with workload and how much time we have to deal with it though. :)
Oct 22 06:35:37 <SoulShadow> Yeah, I'm sure your workload has lightened significantly with the launch?
Oct 22 06:35:52 <ojn> It's a few days of quiet before we start getting bug reports from people receiving devices. :-)
Oct 22 06:36:01 <SoulShadow> haha
Oct 22 06:36:35 <ojn> Alright, I have to go get sleep. Later.
Oct 22 06:36:57 <SoulShadow> hope to have a chance to speak with you later, i am glad I found you
Oct 22 06:51:23 <lilstevie> ojn, to be honest it is a shame that the arm chromebook isn't available in more countries
Oct 22 06:51:42 <SoulShadow> lilstevie: is it only available in NA and EU?
Oct 22 06:51:52 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, seems that way
Oct 22 06:52:06 <lilstevie> I was looking on amazon and they don't ship outside of the US for the chromebook
Oct 22 06:52:16 <SoulShadow> amazon never ships out of the US
Oct 22 06:52:23 <SoulShadow> unless you mean you can't find it on amazon uk
Oct 22 06:52:27 <lilstevie> and I haven't seen any of the listed resellers that will ship to here
Oct 22 06:52:36 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, amazon ship to AU for a lot of items
Oct 22 06:52:49 <SoulShadow> hm
Oct 22 06:52:52 <SoulShadow> it's not on amazon uk
Oct 22 06:52:55 <lilstevie> cause we don't have our own amazon
Oct 22 06:53:13 <suihkulokki> books etc are easy to ship abroad, consumer electronics is trickier
Oct 22 06:53:24 <SoulShadow> i'm sure you could still acquire it, lilstevie
Oct 22 06:53:30 <lilstevie> suihkulokki, they are who we are meant to get our kindles from :p
Oct 22 06:53:55 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, yeah, but it will involve using people in NA/EU to order it then ship
Oct 22 06:54:03 <lilstevie> I am not fond of that idea
Oct 22 06:54:27 <SoulShadow> ebay?
Oct 22 06:55:08 <lilstevie> it is probably a good thing that it is out of reach anyway tbh, I have my hands full with the transformer stuff
Oct 22 06:55:14 <SoulShadow> lol
Oct 22 06:55:30 <SoulShadow> i'm always afraid of buying asus stuff anymore
Oct 22 06:55:36 <SoulShadow> their repair centers in the US are atrocious
Oct 22 06:55:43 <lilstevie> they aren't bad here
Oct 22 06:56:06 <SoulShadow> tons of horror stories about the US ones
Oct 22 06:56:10 <lilstevie> yeah
Oct 22 06:56:12 <SoulShadow> which is sad, because their ultrabooks are fantastic
Oct 22 06:56:15 <lilstevie> I've seen
Oct 22 06:56:19 <SoulShadow> just not worth the hassle
Oct 22 06:56:50 <lilstevie> tbh asus has been hit pretty bad with the transformer series, users picking apart every little issue
Oct 22 06:57:13 <lilstevie> you know things like "they should recall this garbage" etc.
Oct 22 06:57:21 <SoulShadow> well, some of the issues are warranted
Oct 22 06:57:23 <SoulShadow> like the wifi/gps issue
Oct 22 06:57:32 <lilstevie> wifi isn't as bad as people make out
Oct 22 06:57:40 <lilstevie> I have one of the ones where the wifi is "bad"
Oct 22 06:57:58 <lilstevie> and it is the same as my HP AIO
Oct 22 06:58:11 * SoulShadow shrugs
Oct 22 06:58:23 <SoulShadow> until asus starts using synaptics or someone better for their trackpads
Oct 22 06:58:23 <lilstevie> sure most of my devices get better signal, but others get far worse, and nobody complains about them
Oct 22 06:58:26 <SoulShadow> i'll probably still pass
Oct 22 06:58:36 <lilstevie> well the trackpad is elantech
Oct 22 06:58:46 <lilstevie> same trackpad as the ones in their netbooks
Oct 22 06:58:49 <SoulShadow> elantech drivers are lulz
Oct 22 06:58:57 <lilstevie> tell me about it
Oct 22 06:59:04 <SoulShadow> my dream notebook at this point
Oct 22 06:59:21 <SoulShadow> 13.3" 10w ULT haswell, tablet+docking keyboard
Oct 22 06:59:26 <SoulShadow> that provides more power somehow
Oct 22 06:59:30 <SoulShadow> like, discrete graphics
Oct 22 07:00:24 <lilstevie> what is fun is the fact that the trackpad is identical to the netbook one, except it is i2c, and the normal driver for it doesn't work because of it being i2c
Oct 22 07:00:32 <SoulShadow> lol
Oct 22 07:00:38 <lilstevie> so under ubuntu you are stuck with using mtrack
Oct 22 07:00:53 <lilstevie> and losing the ability to 2finger scroll, or 2finger click
Oct 22 07:00:53 <SoulShadow> lol
Oct 22 07:01:41 <lilstevie> I tried bringing the full interface from the x86 driver across and that just failed abysmally cause it is tied into ps/2
Oct 22 07:01:50 <SoulShadow> i wonder if they can passively cool a 10w cpu
Oct 22 07:01:53 <SoulShadow> in a 13.3" chassis
Oct 22 07:02:20 <lilstevie> they should
Oct 22 07:02:22 <lilstevie> I hate fans
Oct 22 07:02:37 <lilstevie> which is why I love my arm computers
Oct 22 07:02:47 <SoulShadow> but seriously, is that not a great idea for a tablet/ultrabook hybrid?
Oct 22 07:03:13 <lilstevie> it is
Oct 22 07:03:17 <SoulShadow> 13.3" 10w haswell, 2560x1600 display, with a thunderbolt-type keyboard dock that has a battery and dGPU
Oct 22 07:03:20 <SoulShadow> that's perfect
Oct 22 07:03:26 <SoulShadow> someone just has to MAKE IT
Oct 22 07:03:28 <SoulShadow> and TAKE MY MONEY
Oct 22 07:03:44 <lilstevie> heh
Oct 22 07:03:46 <SoulShadow> i'd pay 1.5k for that
Oct 22 07:04:19 <SoulShadow> assuming 256GB SSD
Oct 22 07:04:21 <SoulShadow> ofc
Oct 22 07:07:25 <lilstevie> I am at least 1 generation behind with all my intel stuff as it is though so meh :p
Oct 22 07:07:35 <SoulShadow> i'm upgrading to a haswell desktop and laptop
Oct 22 07:07:36 <SoulShadow> lol
Oct 22 07:08:42 <SoulShadow> right now there's just a debate for me between the new chromebook
Oct 22 07:08:45 <SoulShadow> and the new nexus 7 32GB
Oct 22 07:08:57 <SoulShadow> and possibly the new nexus 10
Oct 22 07:08:59 <SoulShadow> depending on price
Oct 22 07:09:03 <lilstevie> I have one machine with westmere and one with sandy bridge so I probably will not be upgrading until the end of haswell or start of broadwell
Oct 22 07:09:19 <SoulShadow> i have a machine with bloomfield/nehalem
Oct 22 07:09:46 <lilstevie> ah so you are due for an upgrade anyway
Oct 22 07:09:58 <SoulShadow> yup
Oct 22 07:10:11 <SoulShadow> and my other machine is a core 2 mobile laptop
Oct 22 07:10:33 <SoulShadow> the chromebook would be nice for note-taking
Oct 22 07:10:36 <lilstevie> yeah, the laptop is core2 but thats the gfs, and she doesn't care
Oct 22 07:10:50 <SoulShadow> i have 6 hours of classes on tuesdays
Oct 22 07:10:53 <lilstevie> I personally use my tf201 as a netbook for uni and stuff so eh
Oct 22 07:11:08 <SoulShadow> and i feel like the 6.5 hours of the chromebook
Oct 22 07:11:13 <SoulShadow> is being extremely conservative
Oct 22 07:11:25 <SoulShadow> MBA11" gets that long, with a more power hungry soc
Oct 22 07:11:28 <lilstevie> what size battery does it have
Oct 22 07:11:29 <SoulShadow> s/soc/chip
Oct 22 07:11:32 <SoulShadow> 30whr, 2 cell
Oct 22 07:12:21 <lilstevie> ah
Oct 22 07:12:56 <lilstevie> my tf201 has a 25whr battery in the tablet and a 22whr one in the dock, no idea how many cell though
Oct 22 07:13:08 <SoulShadow> shouldn't matter
Oct 22 07:13:16 <lilstevie> but that is with the tegra3, which should be a little more power hungry than the exynos5
Oct 22 07:13:25 <SoulShadow> i really dislike tegra 3
Oct 22 07:13:31 <SoulShadow> i played with a winrt tab today
Oct 22 07:13:37 <SoulShadow> was so goddamn laggy with that tegra 3 chip inside
Oct 22 07:13:43 <lilstevie> I like the tegra3 more than the tegra2 though
Oct 22 07:13:47 <lilstevie> which rt tab
Oct 22 07:13:51 <SoulShadow> asus vivo
Oct 22 07:13:57 <lilstevie> there you go
Oct 22 07:14:04 <lilstevie> problem is probably not the tegra3 at all
Oct 22 07:14:23 <lilstevie> asus have a horrible habbit of crippling their tablets io wise
Oct 22 07:14:34 <lilstevie> they use horrible mmcs with really bad latency
Oct 22 07:14:41 <lilstevie> and the ram isn't much better
Oct 22 07:14:44 <SoulShadow> could be
Oct 22 07:15:03 <SoulShadow> the experience wasn't very cohesive
Oct 22 07:15:08 <SoulShadow> to get into word you go to desktop
Oct 22 07:15:11 <SoulShadow> which is dumb
Oct 22 07:15:41 <lilstevie> the nexus 7 has a lot less io issues than the rest of asus' tablets, and I hear that thing is a much nicer experience
Oct 22 07:15:50 <SoulShadow> because google
Oct 22 07:15:50 <SoulShadow> lol
Oct 22 07:15:55 <lilstevie> yep
Oct 22 07:16:31 <lilstevie> my tf201 has the same, if not a little worse read/write than a class10 sd card
Oct 22 07:16:50 <lilstevie> *when doing 8MB writes
Oct 22 07:17:01 <lilstevie> do less, and it drops closer to a class2
Oct 22 07:17:56 <SoulShadow> nice
Oct 22 07:18:41 <lilstevie> I hope that is sarcastic :p
Oct 22 07:19:14 <lilstevie> that said though, mainline kernel has quirks for this card, due to some bug with blocksize
Oct 22 07:19:26 <lilstevie> speed quirk that is
Oct 22 07:32:05 <SoulShadow> personally i feel like ARM will never really compete with intel
Oct 22 07:58:09 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, I feel it will
Oct 22 07:58:26 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions :)
Oct 22 07:58:49 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, over the past 10 years arm has made leaps and bounds improvements
Oct 22 07:59:20 <lilstevie> if you told me in 2001 that microsoft would release an arm version of windows I would have slapped you silly for talking such nonsense
Oct 22 07:59:21 <lilstevie> :p
Oct 22 07:59:34 <SoulShadow> lilstevie: over the past 10 years intel has made leaps and bounds improvements :P
Oct 22 08:00:09 <SoulShadow> for every large 'step' that arm has made intel has answered pretty well
Oct 22 08:01:08 <SoulShadow> I think what's more amazing is that Intel is entering the mobile marketspace from a top-down approach
Oct 22 08:01:17 <SoulShadow> that they're actually finally being able to get that low in tdp
Oct 22 08:02:45 <SoulShadow> what can you equate a tegra 3 to
Oct 22 08:02:50 <SoulShadow> in terms of processing power
Oct 22 08:02:53 <SoulShadow> x86-wise
Oct 22 08:03:36 <lilstevie> SoulShadow, I never said arm would replace intel, both have there place
Oct 22 08:04:00 <lilstevie> intel own the performance sector, and I don't think and RISC system will have a chance on catching them
Oct 22 08:06:07 <SoulShadow> uh
Oct 22 08:06:11 <SoulShadow> intel chips are RISC.
Oct 22 08:07:38 <SoulShadow> they just hide it, and use the CISC overlay because it's always been that way and when they changed it with p4 there was no reason to try to force everything to RISC
Oct 22 08:15:56 <SoulShadow> bed.
Oct 22 19:49:12 <scientes> How do I use android libflashplayer.so on u UN
Oct 22 19:49:18 <scientes> Uninhibited
Oct 22 19:49:56 <scientes> Ubuntu Firefox
Oct 22 23:34:07 <litenite> Hello all
Oct 22 23:36:04 <litenite> Anybody have ideas on how to install 12.10 server on panda ES?
Oct 22 23:36:23 <litenite> I'm having trouble booting it through serial console seeing as there is no preinstalled image
Oct 23 00:46:41 <bastion> Hello all
Oct 23 00:47:52 <bastion> I'm looking for instructions regarding installing Ubuntu server 12.10 on a pandaboard ES
Oct 23 00:49:04 <bastion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install shows instructions for 12.04.1 preinstalled image
Oct 23 00:49:39 <bastion> Since 12.10 no longer comes preinstalled for arm, can somebody point me in the right direction for installation
Oct 23 01:19:12 <wookey> what's the package name of the thing that truncates changelogs on builds?
Oct 23 01:19:25 * wookey has forgotten since discovering it 2 weeks ago
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