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Nov 15 07:51:40 <Guest94180> oh yes
Nov 15 08:29:57 <dholbach> good morning
Nov 15 08:36:38 <elfy> morning dholbach
Nov 15 10:46:19 <ruslan_> hello! Can anybody help me with Lucid 10.04 LTS for freescale?
Nov 15 10:49:00 <hrw> ruslan_: can you elaborate?
Nov 15 10:51:10 <hrw> chromebook works fine as mobile terminal - waiting at car service while they change tires in my car
Nov 15 10:52:23 <xranby> ruslan_: which board are you using? the babbage, the quickstart ?
Nov 15 10:53:05 <ruslan_> quickstart
Nov 15 10:53:36 <xranby> ruslan_: do you have 10.04 running?
Nov 15 10:53:43 <ruslan_> yes
Nov 15 10:53:50 <xranby> is it working?
Nov 15 10:53:54 <ruslan_> yes
Nov 15 10:54:47 <xranby> ok, can you specify what you need help with?
Nov 15 10:56:07 <ruslan_> I needed to get working USB-serial and 3G USB-modem, I downloaded git kernel version from freescale  and added such support, but..
Nov 15 10:56:45 <xranby> ruslan_: USB serial is most likely already included
Nov 15 10:57:29 <xranby> ruslan_: 3G USB-modem can be tricky because if you update the kernel then you will loose GPU hardware acceleration
Nov 15 10:57:50 <xranby> ruslan_: freescale have not been able to release the sourcecode for the GPU driver
Nov 15 10:58:13 <xranby> ruslan_: the GPU is an araneo created originally by BitBoys and AMD
Nov 15 10:58:25 <ruslan_> I downloaded kernel source from FREESCALE GIt
Nov 15 10:58:34 <xranby> ruslan_: so Freescale themself do not own the sourcecode for the GPU
Nov 15 10:58:44 <xranby> and thus it is not included in the Freescale git
Nov 15 10:59:06 <xranby> and this servely limits out ability to update the kernel for the board
Nov 15 11:00:57 <ruslan_> but graphics works well and demo videos too. I used the simular to existed kernel version 2.6.35.3, so existed version was 2.6.35.3-xxxx
Nov 15 11:01:16 <xranby> ruslan_: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/medfield-krait-smartphone-mobile-soc,3117-7.html
Nov 15 11:02:00 <orik> do you guys know of anything better than Gnash for Flash support on Arm?
Nov 15 11:02:01 <xranby> ruslan_: is your 3G USB-modem supported by this 2.6.35.3 kernel?
Nov 15 11:02:36 <xranby> orik: no,    you may experiment by switching renderer in gnash
Nov 15 11:03:12 <orik> interesting... okay :)
Nov 15 11:03:22 <hrw> ruslan_: so check does kernel see your modem first
Nov 15 11:05:02 <orik> xranby: I thought this might also work as a solution :P http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-run-chromeos-in-ubuntu
Nov 15 11:05:43 <hrw> orik: you can do same with arm one
Nov 15 11:05:59 <hrw> orik: or similar at least
Nov 15 11:06:25 <orik> I really wouldn't mind if someone brought Aura out of the sandbox
Nov 15 11:06:32 <orik> It grew on me fast
Nov 15 11:07:16 <ruslan_> I tryed several models: huavei e1550, huawei e620 and Simcom2516E, all of them are defined by the system and they are in the list of ttyUSB devices, so NetworkManager suggests to me edit connection. I created it, tryed to connect, but network manager drops the connection with message:"You disconnected from GSM network"''
Nov 15 11:08:31 <orik> ruslan_: What device do you have?
Nov 15 11:09:41 <hrw> I do not have experience with usb modems other then cellphones (which just works)
Nov 15 11:09:43 <ruslan_> All mentioned above, but it had better to get work with Simcom 2615e
Nov 15 11:14:04 <orik> would uh; sacrificing graphical support in order to gain networking be an option?
Nov 15 11:14:19 <orik> :P
Nov 15 11:15:11 <ruslan_> no I need to work graphics too
Nov 15 11:18:43 <ruslan_> I don't know how to let any usb modem to establish the connection to the network
Nov 15 11:19:03 <xranby> ruslan_: have you specified your providers APN?
Nov 15 11:19:11 <ruslan_> yes
Nov 15 11:19:41 <ruslan_> APN, username,password too
Nov 15 11:20:49 <ruslan_> NM-applet drops the connection immediately when i try to connect
Nov 15 11:23:02 <xranby> ruslan_: you may try use http://www.sakis3g.org/     to help setup the modem
Nov 15 11:23:29 <orik_> oh man
Nov 15 11:23:33 <orik_> xranby I had just found that
Nov 15 11:23:48 <orik_> from archbang forums xD
Nov 15 11:24:18 <ruslan_> I visited there, but it is not clear how to use it
Nov 15 11:24:53 <xranby> its a one file script
Nov 15 11:25:11 <orik_> http://wiki.sakis3g.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sakis3G_installation; http://wiki.sakis3g.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sakis3G_UI
Nov 15 11:25:17 <orik_> do you feel comfortable around the command line?
Nov 15 11:25:36 <ruslan_> orik_, ok
Nov 15 11:26:45 <ruslan_> ok, orik_, I do
Nov 15 11:28:00 <orik_> ahh okay
Nov 15 11:29:07 <orik_> so basically, just plug in the modem
Nov 15 11:29:12 <orik_> run the script
Nov 15 11:29:20 <orik_> wait for it to figure things out and ask you things
Nov 15 11:29:29 <orik_> if that doesnt work we can try troubleshooting with Sakis3g
Nov 15 11:30:38 <ruslan_> orik_,what version of the script is suitable for armv7?
Nov 15 11:32:24 <orik_> either All architects - Binary free version or All architects - Binary free version's source
Nov 15 11:32:58 <xranby> ruslan_: you can use the armv4t & armv5t version   its compatible with the 10.04 LTS system armel
Nov 15 11:33:03 <orik_> but you should really ask xranby or someone else about building on your arm device; sometime's I've had trouble building arm packages on my pi-
Nov 15 11:33:15 <orik_> disregard; use armv4t/5t
Nov 15 11:37:05 <orik_> p.s. if it segfaults you might need Usb-ModemSwitch
Nov 15 11:38:51 <ruslan_> i have usb-modeswitch. I downloaded version for arm4, unpacked pacckage  and run, but nothing happend
Nov 15 11:39:23 <orik_> how long has it been since you ran?
Nov 15 11:39:28 <orik_> did you chmod it?
Nov 15 11:40:52 <ruslan_> i forgot about interractive option)
Nov 15 11:46:34 <orik_> anything?
Nov 15 11:49:26 <ruslan_> i get failed to coonect message
Nov 15 11:49:52 <orik_> ._.
Nov 15 11:54:06 <ruslan_> does sakis3g use wvdial?
Nov 15 12:05:17 <ruslan_> i even don't know what to do, all modems are defined by sakis3g but noone can connect to the network, i always get message that "failed to connect"
Nov 15 12:06:27 <orik> netsplit :/
Nov 15 12:06:37 <ruslan_> if sakis3g uses wvdial the reason is clear
Nov 15 12:08:01 <ruslan_> there is such command "netsplit :/"
Nov 15 12:08:20 <ruslan_> there is no such command "netsplit :/"
Nov 15 12:08:37 <orik> Hahahaha
Nov 15 12:08:47 <orik> you cheer me up ruslan
Nov 15 12:09:11 <orik> I disconnected for a moment
Nov 15 12:09:15 <orik> is what I meant to say
Nov 15 12:09:51 <ruslan_> ubuntu terminal dives me such info
Nov 15 12:11:08 <orik> hrw: is this what I'm supposed to do with your with your tarball? http://www.x.org/wiki/CompileXserverManually
Nov 15 12:12:14 <hrw> orik: use https://launchpad.net/~hrw/+archive/my-own-packages ppa
Nov 15 12:13:17 <orik> It relies on 1.13.0
Nov 15 12:13:24 <orik> can I update to that without bricking my system? :P
Nov 15 12:14:25 <hrw> orik: as long as you have raring it will work
Nov 15 12:14:57 <orik> hrw: Okay, so last night I installed ubuntu three times. The first time I got the Plymouth issue didn't know what to do with it
Nov 15 12:15:17 <orik> the second time I got to 12.10 but I couldnt launch unity and had yet to install another interface
Nov 15 12:15:26 <orik> if I just like, install openbox-session or something
Nov 15 12:15:38 <orik> then get to 13.04, then apply the patch
Nov 15 12:15:42 <orik> that should all work I hope ;_;
Nov 15 12:16:51 <hrw> orik: do you read what is written on that channel in last days?
Nov 15 12:17:12 <hrw> orik: ogra already gave solution for plymouth
Nov 15 12:17:23 <hrw> and I do not care about unity - I use xfce
Nov 15 12:17:38 <orik> yeah I ended up fixing plymouth
Nov 15 12:17:45 <orik> I don't care too much for unity either; I like Openbox and tint2
Nov 15 12:18:17 <orik> okay, I think I can make this happen
Nov 15 12:18:55 <orik> I think I asked this yesterday, but I'll ask again. What's the best way to get from 12.04 to 13.04?
Nov 15 12:20:06 <hrw> orik: scroll -24h and read
Nov 15 12:21:11 <ruslan_> orik, may the problem be connected with networkmanager/modemmanager or policykit for them?
Nov 15 12:27:04 <orik> O: I'm not too sure
Nov 15 12:30:10 <orik> hrw: I figured out how to change my sources from precise to raring; silly me. Thank's for your help.
Nov 15 12:37:43 <hrw> ogra_: armsoc uploaded into raring
Nov 15 12:38:27 <ogra-cb_> yay, thanks
Nov 15 12:38:53 <ogra-cb_> hrw, how anout a kernel, do we know where the source is ?
Nov 15 12:38:56 <ogra-cb_> *about
Nov 15 12:39:54 <hrw> ogra-cb_: sure
Nov 15 12:40:16 <ogra-cb_> so someone should package it i guess
Nov 15 12:40:27 <hrw> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/third_party/kernel.git;a=summary iirc
Nov 15 12:40:50 <hrw> ogra-cb_: I heard that you already did that
Nov 15 12:40:54 <ogra-cb_> lol
Nov 15 12:40:59 <ogra-cb_> liars
Nov 15 12:41:05 <ogra-cb_> dont belive them
Nov 15 12:41:22 <ogra-cb_> once i understood the bootloader i will probably do it
Nov 15 12:41:31 <suihkulokki> s/package it/mainline it/ :P
Nov 15 12:41:55 <ogra-cb_> nah, i dont touch kwernel code apart from rolling packages
Nov 15 12:42:01 <ogra-cb_> thats up to someone else
Nov 15 12:42:12 <hrw> ogra-cb_: you need vboot stuff: http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/vboot_reference.git;a=summary
Nov 15 12:42:36 <ogra-cb_> right, still i want to dig into the bootloasder and fully understand how to replace it etc
Nov 15 12:42:56 <ogra-cb_> so we could possibly have ubuntu images ;)
Nov 15 12:43:10 <ogra-cb_> plain ones
Nov 15 12:44:18 <hrw> ;)
Nov 15 12:45:30 <orik> some days I just wish everyone would use bios
Nov 15 12:45:36 <ogra-cb_> eek
Nov 15 12:45:53 * ogra-cb_ is so happy we are not boud to such crap on arm
Nov 15 12:46:31 <hrw> orik: and we will have to wait 10s on each boot?
Nov 15 12:46:44 <ogra-cb_> heh, if only
Nov 15 12:46:53 <ogra-cb_> often it is so much more
Nov 15 12:47:19 <hrw> when I got rid of Award bios on alix.1c in favour of coreboot it booted to getty in shorter time then bios itself took
Nov 15 12:47:40 <ogra-cb_> hehe, yeah
Nov 15 12:47:42 <hrw> and this was not optimal build as I had coreboot->seabios->grub->linux
Nov 15 12:48:05 * ogra-cb_ wouldnt mind having grub on arm thouhg
Nov 15 12:48:17 <ogra-cb_> but a BIOS ?!? nah, please dont
Nov 15 12:48:25 <hrw> on my desktop it is sick. bios -> sata controller rom finding devices -> grub
Nov 15 12:48:31 <orik> I've always sorta lived in uh
Nov 15 12:48:33 <hrw> and I disabled one controller
Nov 15 12:48:34 <orik> tech poverty
Nov 15 12:48:51 <orik> but uh; Bios seems, to me at least
Nov 15 12:48:54 <orik> better than UEFI
Nov 15 12:48:55 <hrw> orik: you can get arm board boot in 1-2s
Nov 15 12:49:09 <orik> coreboot sounds interesting though
Nov 15 12:49:12 <hrw> orik: from power on to getty or gdm
Nov 15 12:49:22 <orik> O:
Nov 15 12:49:38 <hrw> there are tricks for it ;)
Nov 15 12:49:47 <ogra-cb_> well, i would say 5 sec for gdm/lightdm
Nov 15 12:50:01 <ogra-cb_> bringing up X has some penalty
Nov 15 12:50:31 <ogra-cb_> anyway, back to other stuff
Nov 15 12:51:38 <orik> So I swapped all mentions of precise with raring; and now I'm dist-upgrading... if I run your .deb before I reboot, can I skip the whole "Unity 3D is not supported" thing?
Nov 15 12:54:31 <ruslan_> Is anybody here who can help with modem or somebody who knows anybody which can help?
Nov 15 13:41:17 <ogra-cb_> hrw, so looking at the ram consumption on my chromebook after 1.5 days uptime, i see the irqbalance daemon eat 25% of my ram, do you see the same ?
Nov 15 13:41:19 <kulve> ruslan_: generelly is better to ask the actual question instead of something vague
Nov 15 13:41:52 <hrw> ogra-cb_: I do not run irqbalance
Nov 15 13:42:00 <ogra-cb_> i wonder if we miss kernel features here
Nov 15 13:42:09 <ogra-cb_> hrw, well, ubuntu does by default
Nov 15 13:42:38 <hrw> ogra-cb_: I started with linaro-alip image so I do not have many of 'ubuntu has it' probably
Nov 15 13:43:14 <hrw> ogra-cb_: I have ubuntu-minimal installed but rather no other ubuntu-*
Nov 15 13:43:29 <ogra-cb_> ah, it is in -standard
Nov 15 13:44:12 <ogra-cb_> an i think it is used by default on all ubuntu SMP installs
Nov 15 13:46:04 <ogra-cb_> k, setting ONESHOT=1 will not keep it running after it balanced the IRQ allocation once
Nov 15 13:46:09 <ogra-cb_> way better
Nov 15 13:49:09 <ogra-cb_> heh, seems we're not the only ones with BT issues on the nexus
Nov 15 13:49:12 <ogra-cb_> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39633
Nov 15 13:50:51 <ruslan_> The problem is: i have running tis device on this distro. According to my project i have to let work on it 3g modem, that doesn't suppoty by stock kerenl. I recompiled the kernel to support it. And now I see the devices as modems in my system, but networkmanager, doesn't establish connection when i create it: NM-applet fails with the mistake:"failed to connect to GSM network"
Nov 15 13:54:17 <ruslan_> may be anybody knows where i can get the distro that fully makes device Freescale iMx53 Quick Start Board workable
Nov 15 13:55:12 <orik> so I managed to log into 13.04,
Nov 15 13:55:12 <ruslan_> standard distro is not a good idea
Nov 15 13:55:23 <orik> and I have no desktop or window manager O:
Nov 15 13:55:48 <orik> can't open a terminal so I gotta mount /dev/mmcblk0 from chrome and fix that
Nov 15 13:57:18 <ruslan_> no, my company develops software not suitable for android, linux only
Nov 15 13:57:48 <ruslan_> chrome os is not suitable
Nov 15 14:01:17 <ogra_> orik, ctrl-alt+t
Nov 15 14:01:28 <ogra_> that will open a terminal
Nov 15 14:05:58 <ogra_> orik, did you see my last comment ?
Nov 15 14:06:05 <ogra_> <ogra_> orik, ctrl-alt+t
Nov 15 14:06:06 <ogra_> <ogra_> that will open a terminal
Nov 15 14:06:14 <ogra_> no need to go back to cros
Nov 15 14:06:15 <orik> even without gnome or anything?
Nov 15 14:06:30 <ogra_> well, unity and compiz are running even though teher is nothing displayed
Nov 15 14:06:31 <orik> all I get is a mouse and then the top right is connected to wifi
Nov 15 14:06:39 <ogra_> so your key combo will still be respected
Nov 15 14:06:41 <orik> I hope they are
Nov 15 14:06:51 <orik> okay, let me swap back into ubuntu
Nov 15 14:07:01 <ogra_> your GLES setup doesnt seem to work at all though, thats why you only get the desktop
Nov 15 14:07:03 <orik> I was getting lots of uh
Nov 15 14:07:12 <orik> cannot find locals
Nov 15 14:07:17 <orik> durring the upgrade to 13.04
Nov 15 14:07:23 <ogra_> fix that ;)
Nov 15 14:07:59 <ogra_>  /etc/default/locale has the defaults ... set it there and then run locale-gen for the respective locale
Nov 15 14:15:32 <orik> just got out of ubuntu
Nov 15 14:15:41 <orik> so, crlt-alt-t
Nov 15 14:15:42 <orik> did nothing
Nov 15 14:16:00 <orik> I also noticed that the animation for Wifi Connected has no transpancy or blur,
Nov 15 14:16:21 <orik> and when mashing buttons I pressed crlt-alt-f2 or something that got me into a terminal
Nov 15 14:16:48 <orik> nautilus is also went poof from upgrading to 13.04
Nov 15 14:17:23 <kulve> make_ext4fs seems to make my /home/username directory owned by root, is there a way to prevent that?
Nov 15 15:36:15 <ogra_> kulve, how would it do that if you dont run the app as root ?
Nov 15 15:38:27 <achiang> ssweeny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1070760 for you
Nov 15 15:38:28 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070760 in ubuntu-nexus7 "1st time running onboard with default theme is painfully slow" [Medium,Confirmed]
Nov 15 15:38:55 <ssweeny> achiang, ack
Nov 15 15:39:26 <kulve> ogra_: I did run it as root
Nov 15 15:39:40 <ogra_> well, don't then ;)
Nov 15 15:42:10 <kulve> hmm.. I thought I got errors when running as normal user, but I tried to reproduce and now it succeeds.. So thanks, I'll try to flash that :)
Nov 15 15:43:19 <kulve> no, I just made a mistake now. Ofc it will fail when not run as root as there are directories in a rootfs that are not readable by the normal user
Nov 15 15:43:24 <kulve> so it must be run as root
Nov 15 15:43:59 <kulve> I am creating an image of a full blown rootfs directory
Nov 15 16:52:07 <shPikachu> hi ppl.i downloaded ubuntu 12.04 image using the quickstart guide in omappedia
Nov 15 16:52:07 <shPikachu> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Pre-built_Binaries_Guide
Nov 15 16:52:07 <shPikachu> to my pandaboard ES.it seems to boot, but there is no image on the DVI-D port
Nov 15 16:52:07 <shPikachu> in the serial console i got OK  Starting kernel ...  Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
Nov 15 16:52:07 <shPikachu> i accidentally pressed print scr key , and when i checked the SD there was print screen of ubuntu installation. So i guess the problem is my display. Im using the dvi-d port
Nov 15 16:52:42 <shPikachu> btw. im using a pandaboard
Nov 15 16:52:56 <ogra-cb_> did you try the other port yet ?
Nov 15 16:53:41 <shPikachu> i dont have any device that uses hdmi
Nov 15 16:53:51 <shPikachu> my monitor is just dvi-d
Nov 15 16:54:03 <ogra-cb_> doesnt matter
Nov 15 16:54:10 <ogra-cb_> try the other port
Nov 15 16:54:14 <shPikachu> ok
Nov 15 16:55:03 <shPikachu> it worked
Nov 15 16:55:06 <shPikachu> i feel stupid
Nov 15 16:55:07 <shPikachu> xD
Nov 15 16:55:08 <ogra-cb_> dvi is just a subset of hdmi, both ports function the same wrt graphics (hdmi just adds some lockdown capabilities and sound)
Nov 15 16:57:26 <shPikachu> thanks
Nov 15 22:12:22 <flightscope> davidm
Nov 15 22:16:56 <davidm> hello flightscope
Nov 15 22:17:04 <flightscope> PRIVMSG davidm Hello David
Nov 15 22:17:17 <davidm> nope that went public
Nov 15 22:17:25 * infinity giggles.
Nov 15 22:18:20 <davidm> flightscope, you can't use private messages unless you join freenode (I think)
Nov 15 22:18:35 <davidm> infinity, is that correct?
Nov 15 22:19:02 <infinity> davidm: Depends on your own settings with nickserv.  If you're registered, you can opt to receive messages from unregistered users (though most don't)
Nov 15 22:19:20 <davidm> Ah OK was unsure
Nov 15 22:19:59 <flightscope> I am rusty on IRC.... its been a long time
Nov 15 22:20:14 <davidm> no problem it will come back fast
Nov 15 22:21:52 <flightscope> We are going to use VAR-SOM-OM44 that uses TI OMAP4460 it seems
Nov 15 22:33:33 <davidm> Nice
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