**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 27 02:59:59 2012
Nov 27 04:45:11 <Awk9000> Hey guys, anyone installed the compat-wireless drivers on ubuntu for Nexus7 ?
Nov 27 04:45:28 <Awk9000> I've got source and headers installed
Nov 27 04:45:50 <Awk9000> i see that in the kernel config file MAC80211 and CFG80211 are set to Y
Nov 27 04:46:43 <Awk9000> do i just have to change the config file to M for modules and then recompile the kernel?
Nov 27 04:47:04 <Awk9000> and then I can just compile the compat-wireless drivers from source riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
Nov 27 04:47:30 <Awk9000> meep?
Nov 27 04:50:52 <Awk9000> anybody....
Nov 27 04:51:04 <Awk9000> ...up?
Nov 27 08:03:34 <dholbach> good morning
Nov 27 08:45:45 <dholbach> ogra: good morning - how is the raring image looking? :)
Nov 27 09:15:01 <janimo> dholbach,  I have just installed the raring image. It needed an external keyboard here to get throught the installer
Nov 27 09:15:25 <janimo> artifacts in X, but I use it via ssh now do do non-X stuff so it's fine for me
Nov 27 09:15:43 <janimo> but the nux/unity bugfix is not yet in the image
Nov 27 09:16:45 <dholbach> really? the nux/unity thing is waiting for ages now :-/
Nov 27 09:51:26 <ogra_> dholbach, well, waiting for a nux patch
Nov 27 09:51:38 <ogra_> oh, jani said that already :)
Nov 27 09:52:00 <dholbach> <sil2100> dholbach: it's still being tested, this branch
Nov 27 09:52:01 <dholbach>  dholbach: currently it diverged from trunk anyway, so I think Jay needs to re-merge it with lp:nux
Nov 27 09:52:01 <ogra_> onboard is usable in the installer
Nov 27 09:52:11 <dholbach> <sil2100> dholbach: since anyway it cannot be approved, as there are text conflicts ;)
Nov 27 09:52:18 <ogra_> you just need to switch it on and switch off orca
Nov 27 09:52:19 <dholbach> <sil2100> dholbach: I have no nexus7, but I was able to test-build it on my pandaboard and send the whole re-built unity stack it to people responsible
Nov 27 09:52:19 <dholbach>  dholbach: so I think we might have it reviewed soon
Nov 27 09:52:29 <ogra_> (planning to research today why it comes up that way)
Nov 27 09:53:23 <ogra_> generally the images are fine though, apart from the unity/nux breakage
Nov 27 09:53:41 <ogra_> the "black bar instead of panel shadow" bug is also back
Nov 27 09:57:02 <dholbach> ogra_, but I see that in regular quantal too sometimes
Nov 27 09:57:30 <ogra_> well, it was supposed to be fixed with the PPA packages
Nov 27 09:57:37 <ogra_> (for quantal that is)
Nov 27 09:58:01 <ogra_> you didnt upgrade your device with -security or -updates, did you ?
Nov 27 09:59:37 <dholbach> ogra_, sorry I meant on, my regular laptop installation
Nov 27 09:59:50 <ogra_> oh
Nov 27 09:59:59 <ogra_> that surely shouldnt happen
Nov 27 10:20:33 <ogra_> xnox, can you add the PPA URL to bug 1082364 ?
Nov 27 10:20:34 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1082364 in ubuntu-nexus7 "android debugger bridge cant be install on ubuntu on nexus 7" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082364
Nov 27 10:20:47 * ogra_ forgot which PPA that was in
Nov 27 10:21:13 <xnox> ogra_: why is the PPA relevant to that bug?
Nov 27 10:22:27 <ogra_> xnox, well, because i doubt anyone wants to SRU the package :)
Nov 27 10:22:46 <xnox> ogra_: I only uploaded backported android-fs-tools into the virtualised PPA which has the installer which does not build for armhf. So you won't get adb on quantal through that.
Nov 27 10:23:07 <ogra_> oh, ok
Nov 27 10:23:37 <xnox> ogra_: or are you after mk_ext4fs for the automated cdimage? then you are free to pull source/binaries for lucid from the installer ppa.
Nov 27 10:23:52 <ogra_> no, i'm after adb for that bug :)
Nov 27 10:24:07 <xnox> ogra_: I could backport adb to the ppa, but I'd rather people switch to raring to get that =)))))
Nov 27 10:24:09 <ogra_> if the user has an opportunity to get it for his release i can close it
Nov 27 10:24:23 <ogra_> oh, indeed
Nov 27 10:24:45 <xnox> currently there is no "easy" opportunity to get that package on quantal.
Nov 27 11:07:55 <ogra_> xnox, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+archive/ppa/+packages
Nov 27 11:07:57 <ogra_> ;)
Nov 27 11:09:02 <xnox> ogra_: phhhh..... I wonder who you bribe to get arm builders =)
Nov 27 11:09:18 <ogra_> i use the canonical-arm-dev PPA to build them
Nov 27 11:09:27 <ogra_> and then copy over binaries and source
Nov 27 11:12:28 <xnox> cheat
Nov 27 11:12:53 <ogra_> want access ?
Nov 27 11:13:08 <xnox> not really needed so far =)
Nov 27 11:14:43 <hrw> xnox: which package?
Nov 27 11:20:23 <xnox> hrw: the android-tools, since the one in raring builds all of them for armhf as well, while in previous releases it was only built for x86.
Nov 27 11:20:34 <xnox> hrw: bug ogra now built the backport in a ppa.
Nov 27 11:20:39 <xnox> s/bug/but/
Nov 27 11:20:43 <xnox> ^^^^
Nov 27 11:35:43 <hrw> xnox: SRU it
Nov 27 11:40:50 <xnox> hrw: in my opinion this change does not qualify for an SRU, but rather a backport. As it introduces new binary packges post-release. One could say it's "hardware enablement SRU" but it is pushing it, since it's hardly secure boot.
Nov 27 11:41:04 <xnox> hrw: I'd rather encourage people to run raring and focus on raring development.
Nov 27 11:41:43 <xnox> hrw: feel free to file SRU request if you want it in quantal/precise =) I just don't have time to work on that.
Nov 27 11:44:46 <hrw> xnox: I use only raring for development and when someone says "I am running latest ubuntu" meaning 'last release' I laugh ;D
Nov 27 11:45:16 <xnox> ;-)
Nov 27 11:45:43 <xnox> hrw: but then I have to write lucid compatible code to be deployed in the DC *sigh* .....
Nov 27 11:47:06 <hrw> augh
Nov 27 11:47:18 <hrw> I do have 2 precise boxes - my server and router
Nov 27 11:47:53 * xnox bets $0.02 they were running precise before the precise release date.
Nov 27 11:53:11 <hrw> server was natty->overic->precise in 3 days
Nov 27 11:53:26 <hrw> build precise iirc before release
Nov 27 12:04:38 <brendand> xnox, a whole 2c! i want in
Nov 27 12:11:39 <xnox> brendand: well when I bet $0.07 you know I'm bluffing. It's a fine art betting multiples of small blind bets.
Nov 27 12:36:19 <ogra_> ah, great
Nov 27 12:36:36 <ogra_> i found the issue why orca shows up in ubiquity-dm instead of onboard
Nov 27 12:42:28 <xnox> ogra_: share the news =)
Nov 27 12:42:36 <xnox> bootargs?
Nov 27 12:42:44 <ogra_> yeah, sadly
Nov 27 12:43:03 <ogra_> (means i need to update them after install)
Nov 27 12:43:18 <xnox> ogra_: do you need a new accessibility setting? or like a way to detect a missing keyboard?
Nov 27 12:43:55 <ogra_> i think we have a bug open for the latter
Nov 27 12:44:02 <ogra_> not related to ubiquity though
Nov 27 12:44:11 <xnox> ack.
Nov 27 12:44:16 <ogra_> no, i dont need a new function, i think the way it works is fine
Nov 27 12:44:44 <ogra_> just need to adapt to it in my code, we need to update the cmdline anyway for UUID stuff
Nov 27 13:43:53 <brendand> ogra-cb, what's the difference between pkexec and gksu
Nov 27 13:44:33 <ogra_> pkexec is part of policykit and uses the policykit ACLs for access
Nov 27 13:44:51 <ogra_> gksu is just a sudo UI
Nov 27 13:47:09 <brendand> ogra_ - i'm not au fait with policykit
Nov 27 13:47:40 <ogra_> well, its the default authentication technique we use for desktop apps
Nov 27 13:47:47 <brendand> ogra_ - it looks like we'd lose the ability to customise the message shown to the user - unless that was added to pkexec
Nov 27 13:47:50 <ogra_> since a few releases already
Nov 27 13:48:34 <ogra_> it uses consolekit to determine your permissions
Nov 27 13:49:50 <ogra_> gksu isnt vanishing from the archive in case you ant to use it in your app (to be able to set the shown message)
Nov 27 13:50:02 <ogra_> but it will be removed from the default install
Nov 27 13:51:43 <ogra_> brendand, oh, and according to the manpage you can actually set the message
Nov 27 13:52:06 <brendand> ogra_ - speaking of problems with gksu. is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1078696 gone in the raring image?
Nov 27 13:52:06 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078696 in ubuntu-nexus7 "gksu does not accept sudo password on the Nexus7" [Low,Confirmed]
Nov 27 13:52:23 <ogra_> (a bit more complex than just using a cmdline option indeed)
Nov 27 13:52:51 <ogra_> brendand, it will be gone once gksu is gone from the image ... the bug will still be in gksu
Nov 27 13:53:10 <ogra_> unless upstream cares to fix it i guess
Nov 27 13:53:41 <brendand> ogra_ - oh i see, we have to create a config file to do it
Nov 27 13:53:50 <brendand> ogra_ - at least it's possible
Nov 27 13:53:51 <ogra_> yeah, some xml crap
Nov 27 13:54:01 <brendand> hurray, xml :/
Nov 27 13:54:09 <ogra_> heh
Nov 27 13:54:40 <ogra_> awesome !
Nov 27 13:54:55 <ogra_> my onboard fix for oem-config works just fine
Nov 27 13:54:58 <brendand> ogra_ - so even now on the quantal preinstall image if i run my app using pkexec it will accept the password?
Nov 27 13:55:18 <ogra_> to sad it didnt make the daily build that just started :(
Nov 27 13:55:28 <ogra_> yes
Nov 27 13:58:58 * ogra_ ponders to add the slideshow back to the image ... 
Nov 27 13:59:31 <ogra_> we're size wise on the edge so i'm not sure i shoudl do that until we have found a better compression method
Nov 27 13:59:45 <ogra_> but the installer looks so ugly
Nov 27 15:37:48 <xnox> ogra_: new ubiquity uploaded which should allow to install from sd-card to the remaining space of the sd-card without partitioning it first on a panda.
Nov 27 15:38:25 <ogra-cb> yeah. i saw the commits pasing by the last days already, awesome !!!!
Nov 27 15:38:38 <xnox> ;-)
Nov 27 15:51:13 <dholbach> mfisch, achiang: I mentioned your blog posts in one of mine - if you're not on planet ubuntu we should really get you on there :)
Nov 27 15:51:27 <mfisch> dholbach: I'm on planet ubuntu
Nov 27 15:51:31 <dholbach> ah great
Nov 27 15:51:33 <dholbach> and as I mentioned earlier: some of the content could also go to ubuntu-devel@ :)
Nov 27 15:51:51 <dholbach> and then there's the hangouts :)
Nov 27 15:52:31 <achiang> dholbach: i'm not an ubuntu member. :(
Nov 27 15:52:33 <dholbach> mfisch, thanks a lot for keeping everyone updated!
Nov 27 15:52:35 <dholbach> achiang, ... yet :)
Nov 27 15:52:41 <achiang> dholbach: want to write a testimonial for me? :)
Nov 27 15:52:48 <dholbach> achiang, sure :)
Nov 27 15:52:52 <dholbach> did you set up a wiki page already?
Nov 27 15:53:06 <achiang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexChiang
Nov 27 15:53:10 <dholbach> sweet
Nov 27 15:53:16 * achiang has been trying to become motu for like 18 months now
Nov 27 15:53:31 <ogra-cb> wow
Nov 27 15:53:44 <mfisch> you can be a member w/o being a motu
Nov 27 15:54:46 <achiang> i was told by some people that i didn't have enough contributions to be a member either
Nov 27 15:55:06 <dholbach> achiang, done
Nov 27 15:55:49 * achiang hugs dholbach 
Nov 27 15:55:52 <dholbach> achiang, the CC updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership to also include other forms of contributions - I think you should be well-covered now
Nov 27 15:55:54 * dholbach hugs achiang
Nov 27 15:58:43 <dholbach> ok, time for the hangout
Nov 27 16:02:58 * lilstevie wonders if his contributions would be considered significant enough
Nov 27 16:06:13 <achiang> dholbach: what's the url?
Nov 27 16:08:10 <dholbach> ubuntuonair.com
Nov 27 16:27:10 <ogra-cb> ssweeny, fyi http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/
Nov 27 16:28:08 <ssweeny> ogra-cb, awesome! when did that start happening?
Nov 27 16:28:17 <ogra-cb> early last week
Nov 27 16:28:31 <ssweeny> oh nice
Nov 27 16:28:39 <ogra-cb> we're still waiting for the nux fix ... so the desktop stuff is pretty broken
Nov 27 16:28:47 <xnox> ogra-cb: wow, it built today \0/ well done =))))
Nov 27 16:28:52 <xnox> ah.
Nov 27 16:28:55 <ogra-cb> but you can run apps and blindly tap on the UI
Nov 27 16:29:11 <ogra-cb> its enough for testing ...
Nov 27 16:29:26 <ogra-cb> (as long as its not unity itself)
Nov 27 18:26:38 <Tassadar> ogra-cb: by the way, is initrd in Raring using different compression?
Nov 27 18:29:48 <ogra-cb> nop
Nov 27 18:31:17 <ogra-cb> just ubuntu defaults everywhere
Nov 27 18:31:33 <Tassadar> that is weird, i downloaded the boot.img for raring to see what is different, but gzip says it cannot extract initrd.img
Nov 27 18:31:35 <Tassadar> gzip: initrd.cpio.gz: not in gzip format
Nov 27 18:32:00 <ogra-cb> how did you pull it out of the bootimg ?
Nov 27 18:32:05 <Tassadar> abootimg -x
Nov 27 18:32:16 <ogra-cb> hmm, that should work
Nov 27 18:33:38 <ogra-cb> oh, apparently is lzma
Nov 27 18:33:47 <ogra-cb> must be a change in the build system
Nov 27 18:34:07 <ogra-cb> the installed initrd is definitely gzip
Nov 27 18:34:46 <Tassadar> yeah, it is lzma
Nov 27 18:35:01 <Tassadar> (well, cpio.lzma)
Nov 27 18:35:09 <ogra-cb> yes
Nov 27 18:35:31 <ogra-cb> sorry for telling you wrong, i wasnt aware, seems to be a change in live-vuild
Nov 27 18:35:38 <ogra-cb> *build
Nov 27 18:39:01 <Tassadar> hmm, looks like I'm gonna have to do the same ugly thing as I did with 12.10 to multi-boot it. Well, at least I probably won't have to edit the root images
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 28 02:59:59 2012