**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 10 02:59:58 2012
Dec 10 07:55:17 <dholbach> good morning
Dec 10 07:58:46 <gurgalof> morning
Dec 10 09:49:47 <Laney> so! Does raring's nux now have The Bug fixed?
Dec 10 09:49:51 <Laney> i.e. can I remove the pinning?
Dec 10 09:55:50 * Laney tries it anyway
Dec 10 10:09:34 <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/12/10/how-to-fry-speakers-in-your-chromebook/ - for all chromebook users
Dec 10 10:10:01 <infinity> hrw: I'm not sure I need to know how to destroy my hardware.
Dec 10 10:10:10 <infinity> hrw: Perhaps "how not to fry..." would be more helpful? :P
Dec 10 10:14:33 <suihkulokki> iirc you can break n900 speaker with alsamixer settings as well
Dec 10 10:14:38 <Laney> heat oil. remove speakers. batter speakers. lower speakers into oil. wait five minutes. remove. eat. enjoy.
Dec 10 10:21:36 <gurgalof> mm tasty speakers...
Dec 10 10:22:05 <hrw> infinity: read post. you will understand title
Dec 10 10:22:18 <davecheney> i'll have my chromebook medium rare, hold the onions
Dec 10 10:22:30 <hrw> suihkulokki: do not have n900 anymore
Dec 10 10:43:05 <suihkulokki> hrw: just pointing out that chromebook is not unique in providing a so raw interface for audio that you can physically overpower the speaker
Dec 10 10:48:30 <gurgalof> i just got a system problem detected dialog while running sudo reboot on the nexus7
Dec 10 10:49:43 <hrw> suihkulokki: understood
Dec 10 15:46:21 <plars> ogra_: fwiw, I prefer manual flashing :)
Dec 10 15:46:55 <plars> ogra_: but I already need to extract the bootimg, so if I have to do one more extraction step, it's not really a problem
Dec 10 15:48:08 <plars> ogra_, xnox: also, not sure if either of you saw my question about this last week.  I was trying to get preseeding working on the nexus7 image and not having much luck.  Is there something special I'm likely missing here? I tried putting it both in the initrd as well as in the rootfs, but neither seemed to work for me
Dec 10 15:48:59 * xnox is yet to preseed oem-config on nexus7 images. and ogra is on holidays =)
Dec 10 15:49:37 <xnox> plars: i am currently digging a hang in ubiquity, but getting pre-seeding to work is on my list. I have a few requests for various preseeds =/
Dec 10 15:50:35 <plars> xnox: gotcha, hang is clearly more important :) Ping me if you have some information later on maybe?
Dec 10 15:50:50 <xnox> plars: ack.
Dec 10 15:50:53 <plars> thanks!
Dec 10 15:51:19 <xnox> plars: there is automated test for oem-config preseeding, but I'm not sure if it preseeds the user-setup bit as well or not.
Dec 10 15:55:28 <plars> xnox: it's *in* the preseed for oem tests currently, but I'm not sure that it really goes through the oem-config portion of the setup currently
Dec 10 15:59:15 <dholbach> do we know if someone is working on the bluetooth upgrade issue?
Dec 10 16:03:04 <sfeole> dholbach: i have no heard anything dholbach
Dec 10 16:03:10 <sfeole>  /s/no/not
Dec 10 16:03:20 <dholbach> ok
Dec 10 16:38:27 <gurgalof> can i resize the 6gb partition to a size suitable for a 32GB nexus7 in raring? since there is only a image for the 8GB one
Dec 10 17:02:58 <xnox> gurgalof: you can download the userdata image -> ungzip -> run sim2img -> then run make_ext4fs with options to make a bigger filesystem.
Dec 10 17:03:18 <xnox> gurgalof: but the resulting image might end up to big to be flashable =/
Dec 10 17:03:54 <gurgalof> how did the quantal images do it?
Dec 10 17:07:52 <xnox> gurgalof: we generated three images for quantal. but essentially all images are generated using make_ext4fs
Dec 10 17:08:10 <xnox> gurgalof: but it's a lot of time & space to build three.
Dec 10 17:49:15 <Quintasan> ogra_: Is it possible to get ubuntu-core i.MX53 image that I can just dd to a card and expect it to boot?
Dec 10 17:52:05 <gurgalof> xnox, you don't know which parameters they used for the quantal images?
Dec 10 17:53:38 <vanhoof> gurgalof: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/ubuntu-nexus7/build_script
Dec 10 17:53:41 <vanhoof> nothing fancy
Dec 10 17:53:42 <vanhoof> :)
Dec 10 17:54:19 <vanhoof> gurgalof: you on 32G+3G?
Dec 10 17:54:28 <vanhoof> if so, factor in partition 10 vs 9 for UDA
Dec 10 17:54:36 <gurgalof> nope, just the normal 32GB
Dec 10 17:55:26 <vanhoof> yeah that'll work w/ -t -x then
Dec 10 17:55:57 <xnox> Quintasan: ubuntu core inherently comes without a kernel =)
Dec 10 17:56:04 <Quintasan> uh
Dec 10 17:56:05 <gurgalof> sweet, i need the extra space...
Dec 10 17:56:22 <xnox> Quintasan: do you not like desktop image linked from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MX5 ?
Dec 10 17:56:23 <Quintasan> xnox: What I want is a basic install, kernel + things that make apt work :P
Dec 10 17:57:03 <Quintasan> xnox: Uh, no. Because I don't have any monitor to connect it to proceed with the installation nor I'm particulary inclined to remove a crapton of packages
Dec 10 17:57:15 <infinity> Quintasan: We don't produce any mx5 images anymore, and for precise, it was only the desktop image.
Dec 10 17:57:35 <Quintasan> infinity: I see, I'll just try installing the Linaro one then
Dec 10 17:57:46 <infinity> Quintasan: You could use linaro's image tools to combine a Linaro hwpack with the ubuntu-core rootfs.
Dec 10 18:52:00 <dxdemetriou> hello, I have the same question every time I'm thinking to flashing my smartphone or tablet, is there a possibility the device to go in unrecoverable mode and nothing can be do about it?
Dec 10 18:54:53 <prpplague> dxdemetriou: there is always that possibility
Dec 10 19:01:11 <dxdemetriou> are there devices for avoiding that (some place for checking about)? for example with jtag or with some recovery mode? I'm asking because I didn't tried anything yet, actually I'm waiting for x86 devices..
Dec 10 19:02:19 <Tassadar> it also depends on the device, eg. chances of hard-bricking nexus 7 are very low, you can mess up "only" the bootloader
Dec 10 19:02:43 <Tassadar> and you don't even touch bootloader if you just want to flash ubuntu
Dec 10 19:03:13 <Snark> waiting for x86 devices!? Strange idea
Dec 10 19:10:27 <Tassadar> and, as for the jtag - search for "unbrickable mod" - it also depends on the device
Dec 10 19:19:33 <Tassadar> Somebody knows if kernel command line can handle parameters with spaces? Is it like bash, do I have to put it into quotes, like name="value with spaces"?
Dec 10 22:25:30 <mjrosenb> are there directions for installing 12.10 on a pandaboard?
Dec 10 22:25:39 <mjrosenb> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries only mentions through 12.04
Dec 10 23:03:52 <micahg> mjrosenb: is that an omap4 board?
Dec 10 23:04:12 <micahg> (sorry I'm still not so clear on what's what with ARM)
Dec 10 23:04:55 <mjrosenb> yes.
Dec 10 23:05:11 <micahg> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ has a link for the arm desktop image
Dec 10 23:07:15 <Tassadar> Ooh, 13.04 on Nexus7 has this nice "setup wizard"
Dec 10 23:07:18 <Tassadar> do like)
Dec 10 23:07:22 <davecheney> micahg: i'd stick with 12.04
Dec 10 23:07:34 <davecheney> you can use the 12.04 installer, then dist-upgrade to 12.10
Dec 10 23:07:46 <davecheney> but I have found that the 12.10 kernel is not as stable as 12.04
Dec 10 23:07:47 <micahg> davecheney: heh, the question was about 12.10 :)
Dec 10 23:08:02 <davecheney> that is to say, 12.04 -- rock solid, 12.10 -- not rock solid
Dec 10 23:09:03 <Tassadar> hmm, but unity crashed after selecting text field, well, that is unfortunate)
Dec 10 23:11:48 <mjrosenb> davecheney: I tried that once, and it was disastorous.
Dec 10 23:12:02 <davecheney> mjrosenb: yeah, didn't work during the 12.10 alpha
Dec 10 23:12:06 <davecheney> but worked well last time I tried
Dec 10 23:12:29 <mjrosenb> davecheney: I tried last week
Dec 10 23:12:37 <mjrosenb> now X doesn't start.
Dec 10 23:12:50 <davecheney> mjrosenb: to be fair, I tried from a fresh 12.04 install
Dec 10 23:12:58 <davecheney> not one that had been used
Dec 10 23:13:05 <mjrosenb> davecheney: someone recommended that I shold just install 12.10 outright.
Dec 10 23:13:11 <mjrosenb> rather than attempting to upgrade
Dec 10 23:13:24 * davecheney is sticking with 12.04
Dec 10 23:14:51 <mjrosenb> it is funny because the installation directions on the 12.10 page make no mention of 12.10.
Dec 10 23:16:40 <Ethernin> dannf, hey i've looked for the 12.04 arm version of ubuntu and not been able to find it?
Dec 10 23:16:47 <Ethernin> davecheney,
Dec 10 23:17:08 <Ethernin> davecheney, I could only find 12.10 and 13.04, can u link me to 12.04 for arm?
Dec 10 23:17:53 <Ethernin> davecheney, I've got 2 nexus7's that i've been installing everything ubuntu I can on, playing with a lot of different desktop environments trying to find something freakin usable
Dec 10 23:18:18 <Ethernin> XCFE and LXDE have been the most promising so far, but XFCE doesn't let you grab windows with your finger!
Dec 10 23:18:38 <Ethernin> also the close and maximize icons in the window pane don't work either
Dec 10 23:18:46 <davecheney> Ethernin: did you look here ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
Dec 10 23:19:02 <Ethernin> davecheney, I think so but lemme check, thank you sir!
Dec 10 23:19:17 <davecheney> Ethernin: you didn't say which host you are looking for ?
Dec 10 23:19:46 <Ethernin> davecheney, I assume Texas Instruments OMAP3 (Hard-Float) preinstalled desktop image is the correct one?
Dec 10 23:19:54 <davecheney> Ethernin: for what host ?
Dec 10 23:19:56 <Ethernin> Nexus 7
Dec 10 23:20:10 <Ethernin> I would like to run 12.04 for the obviously stability reasons you just mentioned
Dec 10 23:20:12 <davecheney> Ethernin: the nexus 7 images are 12.10 and 13.04 alpha
Dec 10 23:20:16 <Ethernin> yeah
Dec 10 23:20:20 <davecheney> there is no 12.04 available for nexus 7
Dec 10 23:20:23 <Ethernin> got both those installed right now
Dec 10 23:20:28 <Ethernin> RATS
Dec 10 23:20:29 <davecheney> nobody has invented a time machine
Dec 10 23:20:32 <Ethernin> yeah that's what i thought
Dec 10 23:20:38 <davecheney> wrt stability, i was talking about the pandaboard, only
Dec 10 23:20:42 <Ethernin> appreciate your input, was trying to get to the bottom of that
Dec 10 23:20:47 <Ethernin> ah right on
Dec 10 23:20:58 <Ethernin> how is the pandaboard?
Dec 10 23:21:08 <davecheney> pretty good
Dec 10 23:21:13 <davecheney> but not the king of the hill anymore
Dec 10 23:21:16 <Ethernin> ya
Dec 10 23:21:25 <davecheney> nexus 7 blows the doors off it for a dev platform
Dec 10 23:21:28 <Ethernin> it's crazy how many quad core arm boards there are for devs now!
Dec 10 23:21:41 <davecheney> got a friend with the samsung quad core
Dec 10 23:21:44 <davecheney> which is also very good
Dec 10 23:21:45 <Tassadar> hmm, I've installed today's 13.04 for nexus 7, but I can't finish the "setup wizard", because the on-screen keyboard does not show up - is this known issue?
Dec 10 23:21:46 <Ethernin> yeah, i've been trying to basically turn it into a pentest platform
Dec 10 23:22:00 <Ethernin> Tassadar,
Dec 10 23:22:22 <Ethernin> Tassadar, yeah I had the same problem, u can either try to keep clicking the input fields or plug in a keyboard with OTG cable
Dec 10 23:22:25 <Ethernin> that's what i did
Dec 10 23:22:29 <Ethernin> but i had the same problem
Dec 10 23:22:35 <Ethernin> u just have to keep tapping it
Dec 10 23:22:42 <Ethernin> T t t tappp it in!
Dec 10 23:22:43 <Tassadar> well...mine's kinda running from USB fladh drive now, so OTG is not really an option)
Dec 10 23:22:51 <Ethernin> ah
Dec 10 23:23:01 <Ethernin> u booted off a usb flash on the Nexus???
Dec 10 23:23:04 * Tassadar is tappin' it
Dec 10 23:23:07 <Ethernin> lolz
Dec 10 23:23:20 <Ethernin> I used fastboot to install myself
Dec 10 23:23:36 <Ethernin> which is key when you need to recompile the kernel to do other things later
Dec 10 23:23:37 <Ethernin> omg
Dec 10 23:23:48 <Ethernin> installing the kernel is kind of a silly process on those things
Dec 10 23:24:07 <Tassadar> yeah, grub would be handy in here)
Dec 10 23:24:16 <Ethernin> for realz
Dec 10 23:24:38 <Ethernin> so how did u get the nexus to boot off usb?  did you put the machine is fastboot mode?
Dec 10 23:24:45 <Tassadar> guys at linaro are working on it, but I think it will not happen for n7 - locked/signed bootloader
Dec 10 23:24:56 <Tassadar> kexec and magic, wait
Dec 10 23:25:07 <Tassadar> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35279976
Dec 10 23:25:11 <Ethernin> nice!  First time I've heard this is even POSSIBLE!
Dec 10 23:25:13 <Ethernin> KICKASS
Dec 10 23:25:26 <Tassadar> dammit)
Dec 10 23:25:28 <Tassadar> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
Dec 10 23:25:29 <Tassadar> this one
Dec 10 23:25:51 <Ethernin> oh man this is AWESOME
Dec 10 23:26:57 <Ethernin> so there is definitely potential for dual booting android and ubuntu...
Dec 10 23:26:58 <Ethernin> wicked
Dec 10 23:27:57 <Ethernin> Tassadar yo man, so I've been working on 2 Nexus7s quite a bit, and right now I'm trying to make the touchscreen actually usuable
Dec 10 23:28:20 <Ethernin> I would also really like to get magick-rotation and multitouch working
Dec 10 23:28:28 <Ethernin> so u can do all the cool stuff
Dec 10 23:28:34 <Tassadar> What is wrong with it now?
Dec 10 23:28:53 <Tassadar> oh, I think I've read that it stops working after a while...?
Dec 10 23:29:06 <Ethernin> well, the touch screen desperately needs to be calibrated better, gnome-classic and unity are faily limmited and slow on it
Dec 10 23:29:52 <Ethernin> actually with LXDE and XFCE it's pretty good (cept for the window panel problem in XFCE) but by default there is no multitouch support ect
Dec 10 23:30:22 <Tassadar> one guy on XDA said that even KDE is faster than unity)
Dec 10 23:30:33 <Ethernin> yeah KDE is the only one I haven't tried yet
Dec 10 23:30:37 <Ethernin> I think ill try that right now
Dec 10 23:30:52 <Ethernin> but im doubtful as KDE will definitely be a resource hog
Dec 10 23:31:15 <Tassadar> yeah, I just find it...interesting..?
Dec 10 23:31:43 <Ethernin> for sure
Dec 10 23:31:52 <Ethernin> yeah I'll install kde right now and let u know
Dec 11 00:03:28 <mjrosenb> while we're on the topic of 13.04, is there a reasonable upgrade path to 13.04 from the haked-sh-script installation for the chromebook?
Dec 11 00:31:14 <Ethernin> KDE-plasma on the Nexus7....here we go!
Dec 11 00:31:24 <Tassadar> oooh, craaap
Dec 11 00:31:33 <Tassadar> i missclicked and started eclipse
Dec 11 00:31:47 <Tassadar> it will take ages to launch and ages to shutdown again :(
Dec 11 00:31:55 <Ethernin> hahaha
Dec 11 00:32:58 <Ethernin> fuck booted me back into unity
Dec 11 00:33:00 <Ethernin> standby
Dec 11 00:33:07 <Ethernin> kdm is nice tho ^_^
Dec 11 00:35:08 <Ethernin> not bad....not bad
Dec 11 00:36:25 <Ethernin> yeah just like i thought
Dec 11 00:36:33 <Ethernin> it's too much for it to handle off the bat
Dec 11 00:36:35 <Ethernin> needs some tweaking
Dec 11 00:36:39 <Tassadar> KDE had some project to bring plasma to mobile devices too, hadn't it?
Dec 11 00:36:43 <Ethernin> some of the gestures are working at least
Dec 11 00:36:53 <Ethernin> yeah i think it was plasma 3?
Dec 11 00:42:15 <Ethernin> good god kde-plasma is buggy on this
Dec 11 00:42:17 <Ethernin> RATS
Dec 11 00:43:08 <Ethernin> looks nice tho...
Dec 11 00:43:32 <Tassadar> yeah, that's KDE ^^
Dec 11 00:43:49 <Ethernin> kinda figured as much....
Dec 11 00:43:55 <Ethernin> i guess ill try kubuntu now
Dec 11 00:44:01 <Ethernin> i just want something that works....
Dec 11 00:44:03 <Ethernin> or can work...
Dec 11 00:44:47 <Ethernin> i hate how normal hotkeys dont work in kde...
Dec 11 00:44:54 <Ethernin> crtl alt T for instance...
Dec 11 00:46:53 <Tassadar> what should that do?
Dec 11 01:33:49 <Ethernin> Tassadar, open a terminal
Dec 11 01:43:08 <Daughain> Has there been any work porting ubuntu to the Qualcomm chipsets?
Dec 11 01:44:08 <infinity> We don't ship any Qualcomm kernels, no.
Dec 11 01:44:18 <infinity> If you happen to have one handy, the userspace will all Just Work.
Dec 11 01:45:40 <Daughain> Thanks, is there a link for editing kernels?
Dec 11 01:45:44 <Daughain> Existing
Dec 11 01:45:48 <infinity> No idea.
Dec 11 01:46:00 <infinity> See above, re: we don't ship any.
Dec 11 01:46:39 <infinity> If your device ships with an Android kernel, our userspace would work with that.  Or if the device or SoC manufacturer offer a BSP, or if Linaro has a kernel for that SoC, etc...
Dec 11 01:48:21 <Daughain> Ok, I'm trying to find a way to run ubuntu as a dual boot, rather than a chroot. Any ideas here I should look to accomplish this?
Dec 11 01:49:02 <infinity> I honestly have no clue.  Every device is (very) different, and I have no QC-based devices.
Dec 11 01:49:03 <Daughain> Here==where
Dec 11 01:50:13 <Ethernin> Daughain, i've been interested in the same thing for sure, have you tried recompiling the android kernel with more options for linux?
Dec 11 01:50:29 <Daughain> Actually, I don't care if it dual boots, or just boots ubuntu. Either will work.
Dec 11 01:50:56 <Daughain> Ethernin: can't compile anything right mow.
Dec 11 01:51:31 <Ethernin> Daughain, yeah i was trying to get a desktop environment to boot instead of using vnc, doesn't work very well
Dec 11 01:51:53 <Daughain> I'm trying to learn what has been done, and how much work I need to do to get cli
Dec 11 01:52:11 <Ethernin> infinity, do you know if Ubuntu is being developed for android phones?  sorry if that's already been asked
Dec 11 01:52:33 <Ethernin> Daughain, right, running full linux kernel and not chroot
Dec 11 01:52:50 <Ethernin> I've been trying to figure out the same thing, haven't had much luck
Dec 11 01:53:39 <infinity> Ethernin: Same answer as above.  We don't currently ship any kernels for any Android phones, but the userspace works fine with the Android kernels (and works better if you recompile with some extra bits turned on, as you've noted).
Dec 11 01:54:06 <infinity> The closest we come is the Nexus7 tablet, which there's been much ado about us using as a reference platform for slate devices.
Dec 11 01:54:53 <Ethernin> infinity, cool thanks, as far as recompiling the kernel for android, have you been able to get the proper sources and headers that match the android 3.0.8 kernel?
Dec 11 01:55:04 <Ethernin> infinity, or just get as close as you can?
Dec 11 01:55:37 <Daughain> Ok, thanks a lot guys, I need to do some more research....
Dec 11 01:55:53 <Ethernin> good luck, report back!
Dec 11 01:56:00 <infinity> The two Android kernel sources we ship are both at 3.1.10
Dec 11 01:56:06 <Ethernin> ok roger
Dec 11 01:56:08 <infinity> (ac100 and nexus7)
Dec 11 01:56:21 <infinity> Both based on NVIDIA Tegra BSPs.
Dec 11 01:56:29 <infinity> Every SoC vendor has their own blessed tree, sadle.
Dec 11 01:56:34 <infinity> s/sadle/sadly/
Dec 11 01:56:35 <Ethernin> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Dec 11 01:56:36 <Ethernin> ok
Dec 11 01:57:18 <Ethernin> so for instance trying to recompile the kernel on a samsung galaxy S3 wouldn't really work unless the kernel version was 3.1.10?
Dec 11 01:57:28 <infinity> I'm kinda hoping (though not holding my breath) that the combination of more Android patches being mainlined, and Arnd's work toward single zImage in mainline might mean that the BSP madness can eventually come to an end.
Dec 11 01:57:37 <infinity> But, y'know, that'll still be years in the making. :/
Dec 11 01:57:45 <Ethernin> infinity, :(
Dec 11 01:57:59 <Ethernin> infinity, it's too bad, yet another reason why the N900 kicked so much ass
Dec 11 01:58:06 <infinity> Ethernin: Hrm?  No, what you'd need is a kernel tree that actually supports the S3, version is less relevant.
Dec 11 01:58:14 <Ethernin> infinity, really hope the guys at jolla come out with the next version
Dec 11 01:58:26 <Ethernin> infinity, ok hmm
Dec 11 01:58:36 <infinity> I mean, we're shipping nexus7 sources at 3.1.10, but our mainline kernels are 3.7... Clearly, we don't care much about versions. :P
Dec 11 01:59:04 <Ethernin> infinity, last time i looked at recompiling the android kernel on the SGS3 I ran into problems trying to find the headers and source that matched the kernel version, but I think I see what youre saying
Dec 11 01:59:12 <Ethernin> lol right on
Dec 11 02:02:05 <Ethernin> infinity, so any advice to get gestures working on the Nexus7 ?  I'm looking into utouch / multitouch and magick-rotation - I'm finding unity is deathly slow, XFCE and LXDE work pretty darn fast tho
Dec 11 02:03:02 <Ethernin> infinity, gnome-fallback (classic) works pretty awesome but trying to make icons bigger and get single touch to open icons has been next to impossible with whats on there to begin with
Dec 11 02:04:01 <Ethernin> infinity, anyway any advice in that direction would be greatly appreciated!
Dec 11 02:04:58 <Ethernin> I also just tried kde-plasma but all kinds of problems there
Dec 11 02:05:12 <infinity> Ethernin: I'm more of a low-level guy.  Asking me for advice with GUIs is like asking a physicist to perform neurosurgery.  I kinda know how it all works, but you don't want me mucking around in there.
Dec 11 02:05:43 <Ethernin> infinity, hahaha lol fair enough, im the same way that's why I'm looking for help!  :P
Dec 11 02:06:13 <Ethernin> I've got all the CLI tools and everything I need installed, it's just making it point and click now...
Dec 11 02:27:10 <achiang> Ethernin: we support some gestures today, the non-working gestures are either bugs or unimplemented
Dec 11 02:27:49 <achiang> Ethernin: for instance, 3-finger tap works (to display unity drag handles). 4-finger tap to display dash works too
Dec 11 02:28:46 <Ethernin> AWESOME!
Dec 11 02:29:06 <Ethernin> achiang, thank u!  I found the 3-finger, but like no desktop switching??
Dec 11 02:29:34 <achiang> Ethernin: i don't know what that gesture is (but could find out tomorrow)
Dec 11 02:29:51 <achiang> Ethernin: if you're into hacking multitouch, we'd love to see such patches
Dec 11 02:30:31 <Ethernin> omg hell yes
Dec 11 02:31:09 <Ethernin> achiang, that's my plan, I've recompiled the kernel with a wizard friend and have all the usb host mode packet injection support i need, plus ubertooth!  but really it's just making the desktop usable
Dec 11 02:31:36 <Ethernin> onboard is pretty frustrating as well, I compiled florence keyboard which is pretty nice, but they're all super buggy and hard to use well
Dec 11 02:31:51 <achiang> Ethernin: are you on the quantal image or raring image?
Dec 11 02:32:13 <Ethernin> both - I have a 16GB nexus 7 running 12.10 and a 32GB with 3G running the latest Raring
Dec 11 02:32:25 <Ethernin> reverse shells over the 3g was also in the plans
Dec 11 02:32:51 <achiang> Ethernin: onboard in the raring image is not so bad
Dec 11 02:32:52 <Ethernin> my goal is to create a nice easy-to-use pentesting platform and release it to the public after completed
Dec 11 02:33:08 <Ethernin> yeah it's definitely better than on quantal
Dec 11 02:33:29 <Ethernin> achiang, I really APPRECIATE all the work you guys have done getting Ubuntu working on the device
Dec 11 02:34:02 <Ethernin> honestly I was going for an android phone but no one has really made full linux available for android phones that isn't some kind of chroot env ect
Dec 11 02:34:39 <achiang> Ethernin: well, the rest of the team isn't here to accept the kudos but i'll certainly be happy to pass them on. :)
Dec 11 02:35:03 <Ethernin> achiang, haha thanks man, it's really awesome to see ubuntu running on these small devices!
Dec 11 02:35:47 <Ethernin> achiang, I will be mainly working on selecting the right desktop environment for the Nexus7 (probably LXDE or XFCE because they run the fastest) and getting all the multitouch stuff to work
Dec 11 02:36:05 <Ethernin> I have a few people helping me, and would be happy to share/upload my results at the end of the week
Dec 11 02:36:32 <achiang> Ethernin: i'm mostly a paperpusher, but if you want need help getting people to pay attention to your work, give me a poke
Dec 11 02:36:35 <Ethernin> don't know where to send that stuff but maybe I'll just throw it in dropbox or something
Dec 11 02:36:44 <Ethernin> for sure man!
Dec 11 02:37:56 <achiang> Ethernin: fwiw, lxde/xfce will respond differently to multitouch than default compiz+unity
Dec 11 02:39:10 <Ethernin> achiang, word thanks for that info,
Dec 11 02:39:13 <achiang> Ethernin: not sure how those desktop environments respond to MT and/or gestures... also for unity, we at least have a spec for what *should* happen
Dec 11 02:39:25 <achiang> (but everyone is of course free to choose their own desktop environment)
Dec 11 02:39:29 <Ethernin> is there any documentation for that available?
Dec 11 02:39:41 <achiang> let me go digging
Dec 11 02:40:35 <Ethernin> achiang, well honestly I would love to use unity if it was faster, 2d was at least a little quicker and one of the main issues I've had is not being able to open desktop icons with one tap!!  and there's nowhere to change the mouse option to "1 click to open"
Dec 11 02:40:47 <Ethernin> achiang, awesome thanks man!
Dec 11 02:41:41 <achiang>  Ethernin send me an email, i can't find it atm
Dec 11 02:42:13 <Ethernin> achiang, k roger, thanks a lot man!
Dec 11 02:43:17 <achiang> Ethernin: cool, look what i found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch
Dec 11 02:43:28 <achiang> i'll try and find a list of the unimplemented ones tomorrow
Dec 11 02:45:21 * achiang goes to dinner
Dec 11 02:45:42 <Ethernin> achiang, awesome thanks again!
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