**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 02 02:59:59 2013 Jan 02 04:38:44 i keep getting error: failed to load 'image-nakasi-jop40d.zip' Jan 02 04:38:44 what do i do? im using Nexus 7 Jan 02 04:41:21 <^Phantom^> paste your pastie Deathspawn Jan 02 06:33:10 Hello. Jan 02 06:33:54 ivotkl, welcome to "here" Jan 02 06:34:14 Hahaha. Ok, what does ARM mean? =P Jan 02 06:34:23 and how do I setup a Raspberry? Jan 02 06:34:31 Do I connect things just like in a regular machine? Jan 02 06:37:32 first Jan 02 06:37:43 !raspbian | ivotkl Jan 02 06:37:44 Factoid 'raspbian' not found Jan 02 06:37:59 !raspberrypi Jan 02 06:37:59 Factoid 'raspberrypi' not found Jan 02 06:38:29 !arm Jan 02 06:38:30 ARM is a specific (RISC) processor architecture used in a variety of applications such as handhelds and networkdevices. For more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM . For ARM specific support, stop by the #ubuntu-arm channel. Jan 02 06:39:13 arm is there companies. apple, the bbc micro company and one other. they licence cpu designs cheaply Jan 02 06:40:47 ivotkl, sinc you seem to like arm stuff, have a look at this http://www.hiapad.com/?p=2018 Jan 02 06:40:57 quad core 1.2ghz Jan 02 06:43:17 That's a full computer? =S Jan 02 06:43:19 Darn. Jan 02 06:43:40 Price? Jan 02 06:43:48 ivotkl, yep, there are cheap, slower ones too. mine arives next week. $90 Jan 02 06:48:37 Noskcaj: Too bad I'm not where you're at. =P Jan 02 06:48:43 Where do I order one? Jan 02 06:50:14 ivotkl, http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hi802-Android-Mini-PC-HDMI-Dongle-Freescale-imx6-Quad-Core-1-2Ghz-1G-RAM-8GB-Bluetooth/707427957.html Jan 02 06:52:31 It does not deliver to Argentina. =P Jan 02 07:00:18 I should leave now. Thank you for the help and the chat. Jan 02 19:18:21 just a reminder, the Call for Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference 2013 ends friday! https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference/cfp Jan 02 20:31:09 hi all, I was looking at the exciting news of Ubuntu on mobile phones. Anybody knows what is the relation with Ubuntu for Android? And if the code is available? Ubuntu for Android was announced last Feb but it is still not available for download. Jan 02 20:36:05 rhm: U4A is essentially an Ubuntu desktop chroot (and a bit of glue) running on an existing Android installation. Ubuntu Phone is Ubuntu running directly as the phone OS, rather than a chroot. Jan 02 20:36:29 rhm: So, no relation, really. Jan 02 20:37:53 infinity: the ubuntu phone looks really like the one I am holding in my hands :) Jan 02 20:38:08 well, the video says it uses (or it can use) Android kernels and drivers so I'm guessing some of the work on UfA went into this UfP (I just made this up :) Jan 02 20:38:29 morphis: it is probably some dummy device for the renders Jan 02 20:39:12 rhm: Reusing the kernel isn't really the same as reusing the entire userspace. Jan 02 20:39:28 agreed Jan 02 20:39:47 rhm: The obvious difference here being that on a phone with U4A, you're still running Android, Android makes your phone calls, etc. With Ubuntu Phone, there's no Android anywhere (except, as you note, a kernel in some cases). Jan 02 20:40:47 rhm: take a look at libhybris (https://github.com/morphis/libhybris), it's one way to access android drivers within a eglibc based userspace Jan 02 20:40:58 and it's what we're using over in webOS ports Jan 02 20:41:11 what is ubuntu doing by the way? Jan 02 20:41:23 using proper linux drivers? Jan 02 20:41:30 infinity: makes you wonder if it will support Android apps natively. I didn't see any of that announced tho Jan 02 20:43:24 morphis: thanks for the link. Will take a look at it. I have ubuntu running chrooted on my HTC Thunderbolt but accessing it via vnc which is pretty slow. I was looking for something like libhybris or any other solution to run the graphics natively Jan 02 20:43:54 rhm: don't expect this to be an easy task Jan 02 20:44:27 morphis: ha! who said using Linux was ever easy? Jan 02 20:44:45 :) Jan 02 20:53:53 any idea if the code is going to be released soon as part of any of the regular Ubuntu releases? Jan 02 20:54:29 tassadar: I guess we won't know till we can take a look at the code Jan 02 20:55:07 I mean the nexus 7 port Jan 02 21:07:21 how can i get ubuntu on a hiapad hi802 / zealz gk802? ideally some instructions or an iso Jan 02 21:43:48 hi folks Jan 02 21:44:17 so... is this new Ubuntu Phone UI going to work with the Nexus7 installer? Jan 02 21:45:57 thebishop: are you asking if the phone UI will be available on the Nexus7? if so, no, at least it isn't a goal now Jan 02 21:46:18 robin-gloster, correct, and ... bummer Jan 02 21:47:02 so what's the vision for ubuntu on nexus7? Jan 02 21:47:24 thebishop: i'm sure it will be possible as soon the code is open, probably someone will look into it Jan 02 21:47:56 There's no reason the same packages won't work just fine on the Nexus7 as well, once they're in the archive. Jan 02 21:47:58 as far as i have heard at first getting performance and battery lifetime up Jan 02 21:48:09 We probably won't switch the Nexus7 images over to it, however. Jan 02 21:49:08 interesting, i have to say i'm a little surprised to hear this. some of the issues interacting with standard ubuntu through touch seem difficult to solve Jan 02 21:49:32 You're not wrong. We just don't plan to switch the N7 image over right away, that's all. Jan 02 21:50:12 Ultimately, all slate devices should be using the shiny new hotness, but that's not an immediate goal for Canonical. If some enterprising community folk want to make it happen, we can't stand in their way. Jan 02 21:50:24 so the ubuntu phone will be basically the same thing as nexus 7 (full linux distro) with different UI? That is just great Oo Jan 02 21:50:27 infinity: are there plans to modify Unity to be more touch friendly? Jan 02 21:50:40 robin-gloster: This is Unity. Jan 02 21:51:43 infinity: hmm ok didn't realize it was unity, thought it was something different using the Unity APIs Jan 02 21:57:16 infinity, so the unity interface on ubuntu phone will be cleanly packaged in the archive? that's pretty awesome Jan 02 21:57:40 infinity, no big need to change the n7 image in that case i suppose Jan 02 21:59:09 thebishop: This is the plan, yes. Jan 02 22:00:04 infinity, works on standard laptops/desktops too? Jan 02 22:00:15 The phone in the video kind of looks like a galaxy nexus Jan 02 22:00:49 Xavierdarkness: it is Jan 02 22:00:52 Xavierdarkness: That could be because it is. Jan 02 22:01:45 Figured it was either that or the nexus 4; given that they look similar. But that's cool, I'd definitely run Ubuntu on mine. Jan 02 22:04:52 They wanna to release their own devices, the gnex is just "dummy device" to show Ubuntu phone UI, isn't that right? Jan 02 22:35:47 Has anyone gotten the nexus7 install to work with cellular data? I can't seem to get it to work. Just curious if this is a known problem. Jan 02 22:52:09 Sorry, I now see that 1091663 seems to address this. I'll see if I can capture the logs needed. Jan 02 23:20:32 Does this Ubuntu Phone thing have any connection to the Ubuntu build seen for the Nexus 7? Jan 02 23:21:08 SailorMoon: no Jan 02 23:21:31 Darn, then what is the Nexus 7 ubuntu build for? Jan 02 23:21:55 Theres nothing written about it anywhere, from what ive seen. Jan 02 23:22:13 the nexus 7 ubuntu build is ubuntu on the nexus 7? Jan 02 23:22:29 The N7 build is a full ubuntu OS on the N7 Jan 02 23:22:45 The ubuntu for phones OS is quite different Jan 02 23:24:38 while nice, I don't think it would be as nice on a tablet Jan 02 23:33:54 the point of the n7 build is to make the core of Ubuntu work better on mobile devices Jan 02 23:34:07 i.e., get RAM usage down, and get a speedier core system overall Jan 02 23:34:42 yip, they have still not said anything about UI changes Jan 02 23:36:10 there aren't any planned for the nexus 7 build Jan 02 23:36:16 it's all about the core :) Jan 02 23:39:57 but if the core is right, then others can make functioning usable distro's from it Jan 02 23:51:25 ubuntubhoy: of course Jan 03 01:11:42 Will the ubuntu phone be just another OS? Will it have its own apps, or will anything open source from the Ubuntu Software Center run on it, such as OpenJDK (Minecraft?) or Gnome? Jan 03 01:22:01 SailorMoon: It's still Ubuntu under the hood. Jan 03 01:29:38 infinity, gestures that work? Jan 03 01:35:02 Any plan to use the System partition of an Android device? Jan 03 01:50:05 SailorMoon: what would you use it for? Jan 03 02:05:49 I wouldnt know, im a noob. But it seems like wasted space, expecially on a device like the Nexus 7 where its like 700MB Jan 03 02:06:44 maybe some sort of backup or install partition to recover from if ubuntu explodes :3 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 03 02:59:59 2013