**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 04 02:59:59 2013 Feb 04 05:10:15 hello Feb 04 05:14:55 anybody here? Feb 04 05:25:01 [ 32.533843] omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST on channel tv, restarting the output with video overlays disabled Feb 04 05:25:02 [ 32.627380] omapdss DISPC error: timeout waiting for digit out to stop Feb 04 07:48:16 good morning Feb 04 08:09:45 morning all. Feb 04 08:11:18 I have the new(ish) ARM chromebook, i'd like to put the 13.04 prerelease on there, is this remotely possible yet? Feb 04 08:26:14 mjrosenb: there's several way to do that. the easiest (imo) is to use http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.fi/ then enable https://launchpad.net/~chromebook-arm/+archive/ppa and dist-upgrade to 13.04. Feb 04 08:28:16 ikepanhc: arndale kernel oops is fixed. you can pick up latest arndale kernel. Feb 04 08:28:29 fabo: so I've used the first part before Feb 04 08:28:40 fabo: and upgrading has bricked it before Feb 04 08:28:49 fabo: although I was attempting to upgrade to 12.10 Feb 04 08:29:15 fabo: I take it this doesn't brick the machine with high probability.? Feb 04 08:29:41 fabo: many thanks, the fix on linux-linaro-tracking.git tree? Feb 04 08:30:34 ikepanhc: yes Feb 04 08:31:54 mjrosenb: it can't brick it. you're using a separate sdcard. Feb 04 08:32:34 fabo: at the time the shell script installed to the main sd card Feb 04 08:32:42 and it certainly rendered ubuntu unbootable. Feb 04 08:33:34 mjrosenb: though it could be tricky because of an issue with plymouth. you shouldn't reboot in the process until you get 13.04 dist-upgrade done Feb 04 08:34:00 fabo: yeah, I think my pandaboard ran into that one recently. Feb 04 08:34:19 fabo: is it possible to just disable plymouth, and use the textual boot? Feb 04 08:34:36 fabo: thanks again. I see it and I will give it a try. Feb 04 08:34:46 mjrosenb: if you have an usb ethernet dongle, you're safe as you could still restore graphics driver if it goes wrong with plymouth. Feb 04 08:35:40 mjrosenb: it doesn't brick, it's just that you're stuck at plymouth stage and X doesn't start Feb 04 08:37:19 ikepanhc: you're welcome. it works like a charm. now I'm looking for a guid on arndale to resolve random mac address issue. Feb 04 08:37:35 ikepanhc: is that the reason you use an usb ethernet dongle on arndale? Feb 04 08:40:04 fabo: I have no idea, I am far away from the board and it is setup in a lab with remote power control and serial. Feb 04 08:40:48 I can check with my colleague why they choose a usb-ethernet dongle Feb 04 08:41:35 ikepanhc: arndale has onboard ethernet (asix driver) but the driver assign random mac address because the chip doesn't have a valid one Feb 04 08:41:50 fabo: thanks, I'll try it out in the next few hours hopefully. Feb 04 08:42:45 ikepanhc: if you use dhcpd, dhcpd lease will be full at some point... Feb 04 08:42:59 fabo: the ethernet is asix indeed, its on usb bus right? Feb 04 08:43:20 ikepanhc: I used an udev rule to work around but assign a specific address Feb 04 08:43:27 ikepanhc: yes Feb 04 08:43:29 fabo: I can see it on lsusb Feb 04 08:43:58 fabo: oh, then its not dongle, what we use is on board ethernet Feb 04 08:44:02 ikepanhc: it's problematic if you have several boards in the lab... so I'm looking for a guid Feb 04 08:44:20 fabo: that's alright, we assign static ip for them Feb 04 08:44:33 ok Feb 04 08:45:06 mjrosenb: feel free to ping, I'm around Feb 04 09:27:25 ogra, hi, tried flashing my Nexus7 using the GUI tool to have another stab at the audio, but it hung on "Erasing boot partition" Feb 04 09:30:29 * diwic cancels and tries again Feb 04 09:32:33 ok, worked after restarting the bootloader Feb 04 09:54:28 diwic, I had problems with the setup of ubuntu after starting the nexus installer Feb 04 09:54:57 the window of the language selection was to far at the right side and it was difficult to continue. Feb 04 09:55:03 can you confirm that? Feb 04 10:10:28 nils_, I wonder if I got the latest image, I thought I did, but it looks old Feb 04 10:20:05 uname -a shows: 3.1.10-9-nexus7 ... Thu Jan 31 12:23:44 Feb 04 10:21:18 nils_, yeah, mine showed 3.1.10-7 something, so I'm reflashing it now Feb 04 10:39:39 nils_, hrm, it still says 3.1.10-7-nexus7 after a reflash! I guess I have to download the image manually or something Feb 04 10:40:40 ...or why not download the latest ubuntu-nexus7-installer first, argh Feb 04 10:40:58 good idea Feb 04 11:15:26 fabo: ok, I tried that script for an external drive Feb 04 11:15:53 fabo: it did not work, it looks like it made a filesystem that was too big for the partition that it made Feb 04 11:15:59 then failed to do anything after that Feb 04 11:16:05 and just rebooted the laptop instead. Feb 04 11:19:28 mjrosenb: external drive or sdcard? the script expect a sdcard Feb 04 11:20:28 sdcard Feb 04 11:20:36 sorry, Feb 04 11:20:54 diwic, if your PC is on raring, usb-creator will offer you the installation, no need for the extra installer Feb 04 11:21:36 diwic, and i would just do a manual install, it's just three four commands to flash manually (see the wiki) Feb 04 11:21:44 -three Feb 04 11:22:17 nils_, btw, did you notice that we have usbnet on by default now ? Feb 04 11:37:36 ogra, yes I was excited. I am studying about networking, ifconfig and so forth. I am already pinging a lot back and forth. Feb 04 11:37:54 thanks again for the suggestion :) Feb 04 11:38:32 I first tried out to set up the network manually with ifconfig but the two systems forgot their ip-addresses after a while. Feb 04 11:39:14 then I took the easy way and configured manually ip-addresses through the gnome interface. Feb 04 11:39:24 now it's stable. Feb 04 11:39:42 next what I have to understand is routing ;-) Feb 04 11:42:24 ogra, I tried to understand where I can see the changes of the build. Feb 04 11:42:43 fabo: any idea? Feb 04 11:42:44 I thought I should find the changes here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-nexus7.git;a=summary Feb 04 11:42:50 For an ARMv7 chroot, should I use an armhf or an armel core rootfs? Feb 04 11:43:12 in /usr/chare/doc//changelog.gz if you have the package installed, and on launchpad in the changelog indeed Feb 04 11:43:20 */usr/share Feb 04 11:47:03 sorry ;-) where on launchpad? I tried to search for the latest changes here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7 Feb 04 11:48:40 hrm, now I got the latest image (I hope), but the "who are you?" section in the installer does not accept input Feb 04 11:49:00 tried both the onboard and keyboard over OTG cable Feb 04 11:49:18 diwic, reboot, there is a race between onboard and compiz, it doesnt seem to happen after a reboot Feb 04 11:49:43 that and the corrupt wallpaper are known issues Feb 04 11:50:45 * diwic hopes that doesn't corrupt the sound Feb 04 11:51:26 does pulse have a new bling-test module that looks if your desktop is beautiful ? :) Feb 04 11:52:15 ogra, I was referring to the reboot :-) Feb 04 11:52:39 ah Feb 04 11:52:54 ogra, did you see my latest comment in bug 1068804 ? Feb 04 11:52:55 Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068804 Feb 04 11:53:03 did you see mine ? Feb 04 11:53:57 ogra, ok, now I saw it Feb 04 11:55:19 nils_, yeah, the "system configuration" screen is far to the right after a reboot, but it wasn't before the reboot Feb 04 11:55:41 nils_, and if you rotate it to "portrait" there is no "system configuration" screen at all Feb 04 11:58:18 diwic, I had the same. Then I managed to show Onboard and could press Enter in order to proceed. Feb 04 11:58:54 This for a few more screens and after the installation everything fine. Feb 04 12:00:05 file a bug please, i know xnox loves them :P Feb 04 12:00:06 nils_, hrm, I have a keyboard connected to it, but pressing Enter does nothing Feb 04 12:02:27 ogra, btw, does the installer run things differently than the install? I see the installer has a sound indicator but no device in sound settings Feb 04 12:02:41 the installer uns as root Feb 04 12:02:44 *runs Feb 04 12:03:36 i think pulse or teh indicator have some prevention builtin Feb 04 12:03:44 so you cant use it as root Feb 04 12:04:05 ok Feb 04 12:04:28 anyway, this stuff isn't working; I can't proceed in the installer Feb 04 12:04:30 (i would actually like to hide that stuff from the panel .... Feb 04 12:04:48 i diont see a reason to play with sound settings during install (if sound works at least) Feb 04 12:05:10 diwic, try without kbd attached Feb 04 12:05:31 i know it works after a reboot for me ... and i stopped using mice or kbds a while ago on the nexus Feb 04 12:06:06 ogra, right, but I can't reboot it, because the "ok" for the reboot is off the screen too Feb 04 12:06:16 heh Feb 04 12:06:23 just hold down the power button Feb 04 12:06:28 it auto-reboots Feb 04 12:07:12 ok Feb 04 12:07:51 ogra, found it now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux-nexus7 Feb 04 12:08:33 right, clicking the version numbers gets you the changelog details on that page Feb 04 12:09:01 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-nexus7/3.1.10-9.24 Feb 04 12:09:11 thats the change that added g_composite Feb 04 12:09:57 nils_, ogra ok, now I was able to complete the dialogs in portrait mode Feb 04 12:10:03 great Feb 04 12:10:15 we should probably disable auto-rotation during install Feb 04 12:10:28 and force it to portrait Feb 04 12:10:39 or simply switch back to metacity Feb 04 12:10:46 which didnt have any of these probs Feb 04 12:11:00 though thats xnox' decision Feb 04 12:19:26 ogra, sound works after reboot if removing /etc/init/alsa-store.conf and /var/lib/alsa/asound.state Feb 04 12:19:41 funny Feb 04 12:19:47 ogra, would be nice if you or someone else could verify Feb 04 12:19:53 i triesd the latter several times Feb 04 12:20:05 you need to remove both Feb 04 12:21:31 rebooting Feb 04 12:21:55 we shouldnt need to remove the state file if we override the upstart job from the beggingin Feb 04 12:22:00 -in Feb 04 12:22:04 ogra, correct Feb 04 12:22:29 though i /me hugs diwic Feb 04 12:22:34 err Feb 04 12:22:46 - though i indeed :) Feb 04 12:22:57 works fine ! Feb 04 12:23:20 ogra, TheMuso deserves a hug too Feb 04 12:23:30 * ogra hugs TheMuso Feb 04 12:23:35 twice ! Feb 04 12:23:59 so what if i copy the upstart job back ? Feb 04 12:24:03 would that work ? Feb 04 12:24:31 i assume we still want to store the volume and states on shutdown Feb 04 12:25:10 * ogra does it and reboots Feb 04 12:33:33 ogra, so assuming this actually is the culprit, is there an easy way to remove /etc/init/alsa-store.conf from the nexus7 image without removing it from the entire distro? Feb 04 12:33:59 sure Feb 04 12:34:16 its a simple .override file i need to put in place Feb 04 12:34:40 though it would still be good to know why using a state file doesnt work (and fix the root cause) Feb 04 12:34:54 btw, copying back the upstart job leaves me without sound again Feb 04 12:35:20 ogra, and that creates the asound.state file so you must again remove both to have sound back I assume Feb 04 12:35:51 well, bot upstart jobs then Feb 04 12:35:55 *both Feb 04 12:36:09 but that means that volume settings wont persist over reboots Feb 04 12:36:30 ogra, no I don't think so - PulseAudio should have its own store/restore system Feb 04 12:36:38 ah, k Feb 04 12:38:05 ogra, that said, because we always run both, I guess we haven't tested PulseAudio alone much Feb 04 12:55:37 diwic, workaround uploaded Feb 04 12:57:50 ogra, thanks, could you write that in the bug and point to the workaround?= Feb 04 12:58:04 the bug should auto-close Feb 04 12:58:06 ogra, let's hope this is the one :-) Feb 04 12:58:15 oh, wait, needs a task for the defaults package Feb 04 12:58:29 we've had too many red herrings for this bug already Feb 04 12:58:38 well, it works just fine here Feb 04 12:58:46 just the muted state is left for me Feb 04 13:30:52 ogra, did you confirm it was still working even though you override *both* alsa-store and alsa-restore? Feb 04 13:31:23 ogra, alsa-restore falls back to some default values if it finds no asound.state Feb 04 13:31:27 yes, indeed, i tend to test uploads before i send them upwards :) Feb 04 13:31:49 it isnt executed at all Feb 04 13:32:01 thanks to the override file Feb 04 13:33:01 ogra, there are two different calls to "alsactl restore", one in alsa-restore.conf and one in /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.conf Feb 04 13:33:41 ah, well, the udev rule is indeed still executed, i didnt do anything to prevent that Feb 04 13:33:43 ogra, which one that gets executed, if I understand things correctly, depend on what comes up first of file system and sound device, or something like that Feb 04 13:34:14 in any case it works here atm Feb 04 13:34:22 ogra, so, what is the reason for overriding alsa-restore.conf too? Feb 04 13:34:25 if i hear complaints from users i will look again Feb 04 13:35:01 well, i didnt think about the udev rule, but essentially to prevent users that actually have the state file from having it restored Feb 04 13:35:19 and instead leave the initilization to the kernel Feb 04 13:35:29 ogra, hmm ok Feb 04 13:35:53 though if the udev rule kicks in thats indeed moot Feb 04 13:36:11 ogra, it just feels inconsistent to disable one but not the other Feb 04 13:36:33 it seemed like a better way than having to do postinst hackery to remove the state file Feb 04 14:38:21 janimo, ogra https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068804/comments/31 Feb 04 14:38:22 Ubuntu bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,In progress] Feb 04 14:39:49 diwic, will test later today (havent got the latest kernel source here atm) Feb 04 14:40:51 ogra, thanks Feb 04 14:41:43 ogra, I did my own test: I took the asound.state file, removed the "Register Control" entry, and let alsa-restore run as normal after a reboot, and audio still worked Feb 04 14:41:56 ogra, so I'm hopeful Feb 04 14:41:58 awesome ! Feb 04 16:05:25 ogra: inhibitting autorotation seems fine. Feb 04 16:05:44 is the portrait mode intended as the "default" while configuring these days? Feb 04 16:06:07 (we used to be landscape only, but that's before autorotation worked) Feb 04 16:06:18 xnox, yeah Feb 04 16:06:39 the bootloader sets portrait as default, we dropped all hacks that change this Feb 04 16:07:10 ogra: so how does one "inhibit" autorotation? stop the daemon? Feb 04 16:07:31 xnox, i'm really wondering if we shouldnt go back to metacity though Feb 04 16:07:58 you can stop the upstart job, but make sure to start it again when stopping ubiquity Feb 04 16:08:29 though better talk to janimo, not sure if we will keep the upstart bits in the long run Feb 04 16:08:43 he ports everything over to gnome-settings-daemon Feb 04 16:09:08 (so we'll probably have a dconf key thats better suited for the task) Feb 04 16:11:43 let me upload with more compiz plugins enabled and then I'll maybe will have an opinion about it. Feb 04 16:12:08 (e.g. keep compiz vs switch back to metacity) Feb 04 16:12:54 yeah Feb 04 16:13:03 the focus thing is really bad Feb 04 16:13:18 and that a simple reboot fixes it is irritating Feb 04 18:01:33 lool, ping Feb 04 18:03:45 scottb: in a call, but please leave a msg Feb 04 18:21:03 fabo: still around? Feb 04 18:36:10 alternately, has anyone succeeded in installing ubuntu on the sdcard of a chromebook? Feb 04 18:36:24 it seems to die after partitioning because it made the filesystem too large Feb 04 18:55:52 xnox, good point. We probably need some user visible settings to disable rotation Feb 04 18:56:32 janimo, i think there is a setting in gsettings already for the xrandr module Feb 04 18:56:48 (for g-s-d) Feb 04 18:57:06 hmm, or was that just for the touchscreen input rotation ... i forgot Feb 04 19:28:47 ogra, maybe if you disable the g-s-d orientation plugin entirely Feb 04 19:29:05 but that's not enough as it needs a restart to take effect Feb 04 19:29:22 I think a toggle in the current Display Panel would be most appropriate Feb 04 19:29:29 yeah Feb 04 20:59:03 howdy everyone Feb 04 21:08:01 diwic: Good find. Feb 04 21:08:14 I suspected there might be something along those lines as well. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 05 02:59:59 2013