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Feb 05 04:42:29 <sim590> Anyone here using the TF101 under ubuntu or any linux distro? I'm wondering if you get in/out errors with file system on the micro SD card
Feb 05 04:48:59 <infinity> sim590: That's going to be an issue with the card, not the OS.
Feb 05 04:55:13 <sim590> infinity: I know. I'm presently runnin Debian on my tf101 with the SD card (in the keyboard). I'm having input/output errors and I suspect the reason would be the use of the SDcard port in the keyboard.. the connection could be interrupted sometimes because of the lack of stability between the keyboard and the tablet
Feb 05 04:56:17 <sim590> so, I wanted to verify this hypotesis by asking people if they're having problem with the micro SD card (not in the keyboard) so that would solve my problem if I would use the micro SD card instead
Feb 05 04:56:21 <infinity> sim590: Oh, yeah, I've heard bad things about the keyboard SD slot.
Feb 05 04:56:49 <infinity> (Second-hand, since I don't own a transformer, but you wouldn't be the first to complain about it)
Feb 05 04:57:21 <sim590> ok. I guess I'll try the micro SD card and pray for no problems.
Feb 05 04:58:02 <sim590> Thanks for your time to think about my problem!
Feb 05 04:58:48 <lilstevie> sim590, only if you ever let the device sleep
Feb 05 05:02:15 <sim590> lilstevie: ok.. I thought that I have experienced that kind of problem too with my configuration
Feb 05 05:02:45 <sim590> may be I can program something to make it shutdown instead of sleeping each time it wants to sleep
Feb 05 05:03:03 <lilstevie> or tell it not to sleep :p
Feb 05 05:03:21 <sim590> yeah, but if it runs out of battery..
Feb 05 05:03:32 <sim590> it's going to hibernation
Feb 05 05:03:37 <sim590> and I guess that would be bad too
Feb 05 05:03:57 <lilstevie> it won't hibernate
Feb 05 05:04:04 <lilstevie> it will shutdown
Feb 05 05:05:24 <sim590> oh yeah right I remember.. it happenned to me once.. It shuts down but not in a kind way if I remember
Feb 05 05:06:06 <sim590> like if there was no protection configured so that it would just run out of batery and shutting down without writing to the filesystem and journal
Feb 05 05:06:12 <sim590> so we gotta e2fsck afterwards
Feb 05 05:09:33 <sim590> Ok, so I guess I'll buy a micro sd card tommorrow wishing that everything goes well then. Thanks everyone! I hope not to see you again for that matter but other projects may be! ;)
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Feb 05 08:12:43 <dholbach> good morning
Feb 05 08:19:25 <nils_> good morning
Feb 05 08:21:59 <nils_> I have tried the nexus installer again. It works now ok in portrait mode. I only had to restart as the keyboard didn't work at the first go.
Feb 05 08:23:43 <nils_> also I have noticed there are two bluetooth icons in the top notification bar. I don't remember seeing two before.
Feb 05 09:48:51 <ogra> nils_, yeah, we are moving to a new bluetooth indicator, the old one wasnt removed yet
Feb 05 09:49:08 <ogra> (the other bugs with the installer are known and being worked on)
Feb 05 12:01:39 <phlipped> Hello
Feb 05 12:11:15 <phlipped> I have a BeagleBoard-XM
Feb 05 12:11:18 <phlipped> I've downloaded 12.04 Server image for OMAP3 - ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap.img.gz
Feb 05 12:11:40 <phlipped> unzipped and dd'd it to a 4Gb MMC card
Feb 05 12:11:50 <phlipped> But it doesn't boot
Feb 05 12:12:34 <phlipped> get's stuck at ...
Feb 05 12:12:35 <phlipped> Loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:2 (xxa2)
Feb 05 12:13:06 <phlipped> This isn't too surprising, because there is no /boot/uImage on the second partition of the MMC
Feb 05 12:13:12 <phlipped> So I'm wondering ...
Feb 05 12:13:19 <phlipped> Is this a bug?
Feb 05 12:14:06 <ogra> this is definitely not something the ubuntu images do print
Feb 05 12:14:07 <phlipped> Also, uboot tries to read uEnv.txt, not boot.scr
Feb 05 12:14:27 <ogra> thats the default, yeah
Feb 05 12:15:14 <phlipped> yet there's a boot.scr in the FAT partition
Feb 05 12:15:29 <phlipped> I don't think uboot is even reading it
Feb 05 12:16:06 <ogra> yes, it shouldnt
Feb 05 12:16:31 <phlipped> oh ... so why is it there?
Feb 05 12:16:41 <ogra> the "Loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:2 (xxa2)" is simply not something an ubuntu image would print though
Feb 05 12:17:26 <phlipped> no, it's not
Feb 05 12:17:32 <ogra> so check if you accidentially dd'ed to the device (not to a partition) so that an old bootloader partition is around
Feb 05 12:17:35 <phlipped> it's uboot pringint it
Feb 05 12:17:55 <ogra> err, if you accidentially *not* dd'ed to the device
Feb 05 12:18:07 <phlipped> definitely dd'd to the device
Feb 05 12:18:45 <ogra> well, the ubuntu uboot setup doesnt load anything from a /boot dir and doesnt print such stuff
Feb 05 12:19:06 <ogra> so there is something wrong with your SD
Feb 05 12:19:41 <ogra> (did you change uEnv.txt, preEnv.txt or boot.scr from the defaults ?
Feb 05 12:19:46 <ogra> )
Feb 05 12:20:22 <phlipped> I've checked the img file I downloaded from Ubuntu (and checked the hash too), and inspected the partitions in the image file
Feb 05 12:20:54 <ogra> right, but did you change anything ?
Feb 05 12:20:54 <phlipped> They are the same files inside the image
Feb 05 12:21:00 <phlipped> no didn't change anything
Feb 05 12:21:25 <ogra> weird ... these images get tested before release ... quite a lot actually
Feb 05 12:21:38 <phlipped> yeah, that's what I'm confused about
Feb 05 12:21:50 <phlipped> I've downloaded it a second time just to be sure
Feb 05 12:21:56 <ogra> it could indeed be that your XM is to new for the shipped kernel ...
Feb 05 12:22:08 <ogra> but that still wouldnt explain why uboot prints such stuff
Feb 05 12:22:23 <phlipped> Perhaps, but it's actually pretty old - a year or two
Feb 05 12:22:23 <ogra> and it would then rather hang after the kernel was loaded
Feb 05 12:22:39 <ogra> instead of searching in a non std place for it
Feb 05 12:22:55 <phlipped> It seems to me that the problem is the default boot script is trying to load a file form /boot/uImage
Feb 05 12:23:03 <phlipped> from*
Feb 05 12:23:41 <phlipped> the boot script would get modified if uboot would read boot.scr
Feb 05 12:23:45 <phlipped> but it doesn't
Feb 05 12:24:52 <phlipped> This guy http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#boot.scr_-.3E_uEnv.txt shows a way where you can point uboot back to boot.scr by dropping in a small uEnv.txt
Feb 05 12:25:12 <phlipped> I tried this and it looks like everything works again
Feb 05 12:25:39 <ogra> thats wrong
Feb 05 15:15:24 <turbo_ac100> janimo, what's the status of ac100 daily-preinstalled? Are there still changes to the image like newer kernels or similar?
Feb 05 15:15:42 <janimo> turbo_ac100, no work done on newer kernels
Feb 05 15:15:56 <janimo> the changes are from regular package updates only
Feb 05 15:16:19 <turbo_ac100> so same version as 12.10 then? Is this the newest one?
Feb 05 15:19:16 <janimo> turbo_ac100, yes
Feb 05 15:19:37 <janimo> turbo_ac100, do you need a newer kernel for some specific reason?
Feb 05 15:21:21 <turbo_ac100> janimo, well, I asked this on #ac100 some time ago. But my problem with the 12.10 kernel compared to the 12.04 one is that I couldn't set the amount of RAM used for graphics.
Feb 05 15:22:23 <turbo_ac100> I reduced the mem to ~8-12 Mb in 12.04 and it was 64 or similar in 12.10. I downgraded.
Feb 05 15:23:17 <turbo_ac100> And in 12.04 cdc_ether doesn't work.
Feb 05 15:23:44 <ogra> did you file bugs ?
Feb 05 15:24:01 <turbo_ac100> Lemme check
Feb 05 15:25:48 <turbo_ac100> about cdc_ether definitely no, because #ac100 said it wouldn't build so i didn't bother
Feb 05 15:27:25 <turbo_ac100> mem neither. It was common sense in #ac100 that the "old way" of using kernel-cli doesn't work anymore, nobody knew about an alternative
Feb 05 15:44:03 <turbo_ac100> filed a bug about the memory now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ac100/+bug/1116380
Feb 05 15:44:04 <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1116380 in linux-ac100 (Ubuntu) "Video Mem too much and not changeable trivially" [Undecided,New]
Feb 05 15:44:12 <turbo_ac100> hehe
Feb 05 16:04:36 <ogra> hrw!!!
Feb 05 16:04:39 <ogra> armsoc !!!!
Feb 05 16:04:44 <hrw> yes
Feb 05 16:04:54 <hrw> someone digged it out of NEW
Feb 05 16:15:29 <hrw> ogra: time to pdebuild new kernel and send to NEW as well
Feb 05 16:15:38 <ogra> ++
Feb 05 16:15:51 <ogra> i'll have to move to a sane install at some point
Feb 05 16:16:02 * ogra is still on the upgraded chrubuntu
Feb 05 16:16:10 <mcurran> What's the difference between project and "ubuntu for ARM"?  Was this project built from the beginning with an intention of running in a chroot env.?
Feb 05 16:16:33 <ogra> parse error ?
Feb 05 16:16:42 <hrw> mcurran: rephrase?
Feb 05 16:16:54 <hrw> ogra: never used chrubuntu
Feb 05 16:17:02 <mcurran> I believe there would be huge market for handheld devices if ubuntu could be dual/multi-booted.
Feb 05 16:17:07 <mcurran> ie. run natively
Feb 05 16:17:19 <ogra> well, it was the variant that was around when i got my chromebook :)
Feb 05 16:17:23 <hrw> mcurran: I never used ubuntu in chroot on arm devices
Feb 05 16:17:42 * ogra does all the time for building for different releases
Feb 05 16:17:52 <ogra> but that doesnt differ from what i do on x86
Feb 05 16:18:02 <hrw> ogra: but you do ubuntu-in-chroot under ubuntu so it does not count
Feb 05 16:18:14 <ogra> mcurran, all official ubuntu arm images are native
Feb 05 16:18:39 <ogra> hrw, ah, yeah, i didnt think about android crap setups that people might do
Feb 05 16:18:43 <ogra> :)
Feb 05 16:18:50 <hrw> mcurran: most of customer devices have crazy bootloader setups
Feb 05 16:18:53 * ogra doesnt touch such stuff
Feb 05 16:19:01 <hrw> neither do I
Feb 05 16:19:29 <hrw> mcurran: which device you want to run ubuntu on?
Feb 05 16:20:06 <Tassadar> I have ubuntu chroot in Android, but it is the same installation which I also dual-boot, which is kinda great :)
Feb 05 16:20:42 <ogra> yeah, but doesnt help the purpose of the n7 image much :)
Feb 05 16:20:53 <ogra> it heps endusers to get a crappy UI though ;)+
Feb 05 16:21:01 <ogra> *helps
Feb 05 16:21:54 <Tassadar> not really, but I had debian in there before because native ssh in terminal emulator is often better than those android apps, now I at least don't have two installations
Feb 05 16:21:58 <ogra> (alongside android)
Feb 05 16:22:41 <ogra> did you fix the kernel upgrade issues btw ?
Feb 05 16:22:46 <Tassadar> yes
Feb 05 16:22:52 <ogra> awesome, how ?
Feb 05 16:23:57 <Tassadar> I just create the initrd symlink during installation so the first boot works, and after the setup it is managed by Ubuntu, so it's okay.
Feb 05 16:24:31 <ogra> you dont just set FLASH_KERNEL_SKIP ?
Feb 05 16:24:40 <ogra> that wouldnt need any additional changes at all
Feb 05 16:25:24 <Tassadar> I also had to disable flash-kernel by "export SKIP_FLASH_KERNEL=1"(or whatever is the right export), because if I do "hold" on uninstalled flash-kernel, it is removed during the setup wizard for whatever reason
Feb 05 16:26:00 <ogra> yeah, you should be able to just add it to /etc/environment
Feb 05 16:26:16 <Tassadar> that's what you said before, and that's what I did, thanks :)
Feb 05 16:26:26 <ogra> (doesnt need "export" i thinnk)
Feb 05 16:26:35 <Tassadar> yeah
Feb 05 16:26:41 <Tassadar> ogra: I was talking about initrd, because the symlink is not created in the daily image, so I searched for "initrd-*" file instead of using the symlink
Feb 05 16:26:46 <Tassadar> which was kinda dumb :/
Feb 05 16:26:53 <ogra> great, so we can at least rely on the fact that people filing bugs have the right kernel
Feb 05 16:31:32 <Tassadar> well, I can't be sure everybody properly updated
Feb 05 16:31:33 <Tassadar>  but I think they did
Feb 05 16:31:41 <hrw> ok, kernel sent to pbuilder
Feb 05 16:32:07 <Tassadar> otherwise flash-kernel would overwrite their Android, which is kinda good reason to check the XDA thread
Feb 05 16:32:34 <Tassadar> and the problem was only if they had older installation and new kernel was installed via apt-get dist-upgrade
Feb 05 16:32:54 <Tassadar> if they got newer image, it should be okay
Feb 05 16:33:10 <Tassadar> but anyway, sorry if it causes any false bugs :(
Feb 05 16:33:54 <ogra> well, it causes bug noise for bugs that have been long fixed, not more
Feb 05 16:57:41 <hrw> ogra, infinity, janimo: linux-chromebook sent to NEW
Feb 05 16:58:02 <ogra> \o/
Feb 05 16:58:16 <janimo>  /\
Feb 05 16:58:26 <diwic> hrw, hey, have you bothered verifying your chromebook ucm stuff? I e flipping the SRU to verification done
Feb 05 17:02:33 <diwic> hrw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1085392
Feb 05 17:02:34 <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1085392 in Cross distro support for Samsung Chromebook (ARM based) "Merge Chromebook UCM profiles into ALSA packages" [Critical,Triaged]
Feb 05 17:05:55 <hrw> diwic: was overloaded with other stuff. And I lost any hope on 'ubuntu on chromebook' lusers
Feb 05 17:06:57 <diwic> hrw, fair enough. I have nothing else in the pipeline for SRUing alsa-lib/alsa-utils right now, but if I do, it would be stupid to already have a pending SRU for it
Feb 05 17:07:03 <diwic> so it's not urgent
Feb 05 17:07:14 <diwic> hrw, just mildly annoying :-)
Feb 05 17:07:16 <hrw> diwic: good point.
Feb 05 17:07:45 <hrw> diwic: good thing is that my changes do not affect other devices
Feb 05 17:11:01 <diwic> all right, have a good evening
Feb 05 17:40:29 <infinity> hrw: How much scary code on top of a 3.4.0 vanilla is in that chromebook, and how carefully am I going to have to review it for licensing oopses? :P
Feb 05 19:06:23 <mjrosenb> can anyone help me get ubuntu on an sd card on my chromebook?
Feb 05 19:38:02 <purezen> Hey guys..!! If I install Ubuntu on the samsung ARM chromebook.. will I be able to carry on my usual compilation tasks..? such as Android development, python scripting, C++...?
Feb 05 19:38:37 <infinity> Sure.
Feb 05 19:40:59 <purezen> infinity: You mean.. all of them..?
Feb 05 19:41:22 <infinity> purezen: Well, Android development could depend on how you currently do it, and things might change.
Feb 05 19:41:33 <infinity> As in, you can't use an x86 SDK on an ARM machine (obviously).
Feb 05 19:41:58 <infinity> But python, C++, whatever, Ubuntu is self-hosting, so it can clearly build for any language.
Feb 05 19:42:17 <purezen> infinity: Yeah..:) so the ARM version available on the site will do the job..?
Feb 05 19:42:41 <infinity> purezen: Don't see why not.  I don't do Android development, though.
Feb 05 19:42:49 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. didn't know that..:) never tried Linux on ARM yet..
Feb 05 19:43:01 <purezen> infinity: Ok..
Feb 05 19:43:16 <infinity> Well, stop calling it "Linux on ARM", and just call it "Linux", and you'll be doing well.
Feb 05 19:43:31 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. even better..:)
Feb 05 19:43:35 <infinity> The underlying architecture should make almost zero difference, unless you're trying to run precompiler binaries for the wrong CPU. :P
Feb 05 19:43:43 <infinity> precompiled*
Feb 05 19:45:31 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. that's great.. cause I am planning to get it.. and it'd be a big decision for me..
Feb 05 19:46:32 <drizzy> i wish there was flash support for arm
Feb 05 19:46:52 <drizzy> i have 32gb and i don't wanna use it all on music
Feb 05 19:47:01 <drizzy> 32gb of storage
Feb 05 19:47:05 <drizzy> actually like 20gb
Feb 05 19:47:11 <drizzy> cause it's used up already
Feb 05 19:47:16 <drizzy> on apps on the other partition
Feb 05 19:47:48 <purezen> So anything I'd loose on Linux on one.. from a developers viewpoint..?
Feb 05 19:48:13 <infinity> purezen: Compared to...?
Feb 05 19:48:23 <infinity> purezen: You mean compared to running ChromeOS?
Feb 05 19:48:31 <purezen> No.. no..
Feb 05 19:48:34 <drizzy> heh
Feb 05 19:48:43 <purezen> I mean the usual x64 processors..?
Feb 05 19:49:01 <infinity> Speed, and proprietary software.
Feb 05 19:49:17 <infinity> (See above with drizzy complaining about Flash)
Feb 05 19:49:33 <drizzy> that's my only complaint
Feb 05 19:49:36 <drizzy> no flash
Feb 05 19:49:42 <drizzy> i use google play music
Feb 05 19:49:47 <drizzy> it has like 20,000 songs
Feb 05 19:49:57 <drizzy> if i put 20,000 songs on my nexus 7
Feb 05 19:49:59 <drizzy> i'll be fucked
Feb 05 19:50:06 <drizzy> with storage problems
Feb 05 19:50:16 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. didn't know that..
Feb 05 19:50:19 <drizzy> i guess i can use my external hdd
Feb 05 19:50:27 <purezen> drizzy: Hey.. get it..:)
Feb 05 19:50:28 <drizzy> for music
Feb 05 19:50:57 <drizzy> i wonder if there's a html5 streaming service for cloud stuff?
Feb 05 19:51:00 <drizzy> other then youtube
Feb 05 19:51:24 <drizzy> and not mega.co.nz
Feb 05 19:51:30 <drizzy> i'm so against kim dotcom
Feb 05 19:57:25 <purezen> Hey.. I can't get any info. on the Chromebook being used for android development.. can anyone confirm here..?
Feb 05 19:59:19 <infinity> purezen: If they offer an ARM SDK (ie: something that isn't an x86 cross-compiler), it should work.
Feb 05 20:01:45 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. java shows an installer for ARM (there' one there right..?).. but I can't figure out if Android does the same..
Feb 05 20:02:03 <purezen> infinty: can you tell from this: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html..?
Feb 05 20:06:55 <infinity> purezen: The Sun Java on ARM isn't armhf.
Feb 05 20:07:10 <infinity> purezen: But openjdk is in Ubuntu, most people who think they need Sun Java are wrong.
Feb 05 20:07:47 <drizzy> there's not a android sdk for arm on that page purezen
Feb 05 20:07:55 <drizzy> especially for the adt
Feb 05 20:08:05 <purezen> infinity: Ok.. that'll do for the Java compilation part..:)
Feb 05 20:08:05 <drizzy> adt bundle*
Feb 05 20:08:14 <purezen> drizzy: Ok..
Feb 05 20:08:26 <drizzy> although
Feb 05 20:08:41 <drizzy> i wonder if you could run a vm on top of linux...
Feb 05 20:08:51 <drizzy> wait, no it's stiill not x86
Feb 05 20:09:00 <drizzy> i was gonna say run windows in a vm
Feb 05 20:09:02 <drizzy> but no go
Feb 05 20:10:31 <purezen> drizzy: so eclipse and stuff (android development image..?) is dependent on the platform..?
Feb 05 20:10:46 <purezen> drizzy: or which part is..?
Feb 05 20:11:59 <drizzy> i think you can use eclipse ide on arm
Feb 05 20:12:05 <drizzy> let me see if i can install it
Feb 05 20:12:48 <drizzy> i'm having problems with repos 404'ing
Feb 05 20:13:02 <drizzy> anyone else on ubuntu-arm platform having these issues currently?
Feb 05 20:13:16 <drizzy> i was trying to install audacious earlier
Feb 05 20:13:26 <Tassadar> apt-get update is not helping?
Feb 05 20:13:28 <drizzy> cause i fucked up my last ubuntu
Feb 05 20:13:33 <drizzy> nope
Feb 05 20:13:41 <drizzy> Tassadar: i did that earlier
Feb 05 20:13:46 <drizzy> as soon as i finished installing
Feb 05 20:13:56 <drizzy> i thought it was the wifi host
Feb 05 20:13:59 <drizzy> so i switched networks
Feb 05 20:14:12 <drizzy> i thought they were getting tired of me using up all their bandwidth
Feb 05 20:14:19 <drizzy> but i'm getting the same from this wifi network
Feb 05 20:14:43 <drizzy> purezen: eclipse is installing
Feb 05 20:15:00 <purezen> drizzy: K..:)
Feb 05 20:15:28 <Tassadar> android SDK is not only java, it uses native tools too
Feb 05 20:15:47 <Tassadar> maybe it can be built for arm? dunno
Feb 05 20:15:50 <drizzy> nexus7 32gb + otr usb + 4 port hub + usb keyboard + usb mouse = $300 awesome laptop
Feb 05 20:16:22 <drizzy> just reminded myself to join a channel
Feb 05 20:16:23 <drizzy> lolz
Feb 05 20:20:28 <purezen> drizzy: so, the thing stopping here is the.. Platform image..?
Feb 05 20:21:17 <drizzy> platform image for ubuntu ?
Feb 05 20:22:26 <Tassadar> purezen: Android SDK does not use just java
Feb 05 20:24:21 <purezen> drizzy: I meant.. corresponding to which the compilation takes place.. (maybe poorly expressing though..).. just guessing.. or what's stopping the ADK from being used then..?
Feb 05 20:24:49 <purezen> Tassadar: ok..
Feb 05 20:28:33 <purezen> Ok.. thanks guys for all the info.. Gotta go now..
Feb 05 20:28:37 <purezen> BBye..:)
Feb 05 20:28:50 <hrw> infinity: all new files have gpl headers in them
Feb 05 20:29:08 <infinity> hrw: That's comforting.
Feb 05 20:30:18 <hrw> patch against 3.4 is 9.8MB but looks strange as it removes 7MB
Feb 05 20:30:49 <hrw>  1230 files changed, 13567 insertions(+), 257356 deletions(-)
Feb 05 20:31:31 <hrw> have to check did I did it proper side
Feb 05 20:32:30 <hrw> yep.
Feb 05 20:32:38 <hrw> will read whole patch to confirm
Feb 05 20:48:43 <drizzy> brb ditching xchat
Feb 05 20:50:13 <hrw> infinity: ok. went though that 7MB - gpl headers in 99% of files
Feb 05 20:50:34 <hrw> some had bsd like headers (atheros driver)
Feb 06 00:40:57 <infinity> hrw: I can haz a linux-meta-chromebook to go with this kernel?
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