**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 19 02:59:58 2013 Feb 19 03:00:09 and currently gnash doesn;t work there anymore either Feb 19 03:00:45 or maybe lightspark. Either way it's broke unles syou use youtube-dl (clive is bust too) Feb 19 03:01:23 what's aprticularly annoying is there there is no way to tell without trying each vid, nor a way to tell YT to only show me the HTMl5 stuff Feb 19 03:03:30 vimeo seems to be broken this month too. OTOH the beeb started working. Feb 19 03:04:13 * xnox likes radio Feb 19 03:04:47 that does work a whole pile better :-) Feb 19 03:05:26 althouh the beeb still manage to F it up with their iplayer nonsense. I just use get-iplayer for everything beeby Feb 19 03:06:34 I do resent being forced to use someone else's broken player when I have piles of my own good players that actually work Feb 19 03:08:57 so... Feb 19 05:16:25 Can I get the ubuntu phone interface and use that on the nexus7? It just seems as though anything appropriate for a phone would work well on the nexus7 screen instead of the standard desktop ubuntu gui. Feb 19 06:40:53 Good Morning. Feb 19 06:41:16 Any ideas what this is: "Tick, tock, tablet time!" http://www.ubuntu.com/ Feb 19 06:54:23 Oh, and btw. htc has a similar countdown. http://www.htc.com/www/ Same event? Feb 19 07:36:19 hi Feb 19 08:01:09 good morning Feb 19 09:16:30 hello Feb 19 12:01:00 4 Hours left: http://www.ubuntu.com/ Feb 19 12:01:41 true ... http://www.htc.com/us/ Feb 19 12:02:29 (dont ask me, i have no clue if they are related ... not even internal canonical rumours about that ... :) ) Feb 19 12:06:39 I can say that they are related Feb 19 12:06:52 both are for today and the time is same Feb 19 12:06:57 heh Feb 19 12:07:03 true Feb 19 12:07:05 ogra_ you can check the htc page with firebug and you will see that their event is probably related to their new M7 Feb 19 12:07:05 that's when it comes to relations Feb 19 13:43:26 htc is showing it's new hardware flagship, german page: http://live.techstage.de/Event/Live-Event_HTC_OneM7. no offense! But I cannot seriously imagine that htc would link their event to ubuntu. I would love to see that - but they will want to keep control on their own. Feb 19 13:49:29 you mean like not using foreign OSes Feb 19 13:49:34 like android .... :P Feb 19 13:54:57 the chatter here is that htc is stealing thunder. Feb 19 13:55:04 and is not related. Feb 19 13:57:14 * ogra_ guesses we'll see in ~2h Feb 19 13:57:19 ogra_ you have a point. But I still do believe it's just a coincidence. Feb 19 13:58:26 anyways M7 is not a tablet. Ubuntu.com announces a tablet. Feb 19 13:59:07 https://plus.google.com/communities/107299007624972266094 Feb 19 13:59:30 there is a tablet on the table among a huge set of phones Feb 19 14:00:13 oh, and thats originally from http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-to-possibly-unveil-a-tablet-at-its-big-event-tomorrow-will-it-run-the-ubuntu-os-157131/ Feb 19 14:00:48 in any case it adds up popularity for both, HTC and ubuntu Feb 19 15:17:00 tablet time! ... ubuntu touch UI coming to nexus7 or something else entirely? Feb 19 15:18:03 you will see in 45min Feb 19 15:18:13 or 40 or so Feb 19 15:18:41 I think it's just IS trying to reproduce the bug that caused the lack of responsiveness at the last launch. Feb 19 15:18:50 :) Feb 19 15:19:09 * diwic runs away and hides ;-) Feb 19 15:20:10 haha Feb 19 15:27:26 ogra_: w00t Feb 19 15:27:36 ogra_: I missed the status meeting for N7 last friday Feb 19 15:27:40 ogra_: how are things in general? Feb 19 15:27:48 ogra_: I wonder whether we have updated our kernel for 4.2.2 Feb 19 15:27:54 there might be good fixes in there Feb 19 15:28:03 lool, quite ok, the kernel team didnt update yet Feb 19 15:28:33 we had massive breakage over the weekend so on monday we didnt have a single working image Feb 19 15:28:42 there are 3 new commits in 4.2.2 kernel, don't get too exicited) Feb 19 15:28:45 since we dont do milestones anymore Feb 19 15:29:06 Tassadar, there is new BT firmware ... thats likely intresting for us Feb 19 15:29:33 that's not part of kernel, but I agree, that is interesting Oo Feb 19 15:29:56 lool, beyond that we still have the input bug that makes the device unusable ... without that fixed we wont really be able to move towards something funtional Feb 19 15:30:22 but beyond tjaalton poking in the dark, there is nobody working on it Feb 19 15:31:02 lool, oh, and the rotation stuff now moved properly into gnome-settings-daemon Feb 19 15:34:02 lool, ram usage didnt see much impact the last week ... we're all waiting for upstart user session support for the next big hit on that Feb 19 15:34:05 ogra_: thanks for the updates Feb 19 15:34:24 ogra_: who's usually handling the N7 kernels in ubuntu kenrel team? Feb 19 15:34:24 (and the rewrite of the lenses in vala) Feb 19 15:34:39 lool, i dealt with apw and rtg for them Feb 19 15:34:51 ok, will poke them! Feb 19 15:35:29 i poked rtg already but there was no released source at that point Feb 19 15:35:46 (a while ago when the first announcement came out from google) Feb 19 15:36:21 ogra_: do i need a "special" android xz? Feb 19 15:36:34 input was encoded with settings that are not supported by this XZ decored Feb 19 15:36:42 s/decored/decoder/ Feb 19 15:37:46 where exactly do you use it in the stack ? Feb 19 15:40:33 initrd. I guess I should have used xz --check=crc32 --lzma2=dict=512KiB instead of just xz. Feb 19 15:40:57 ogra_: where is the code that generated nexus7 initrd and bootimg? Feb 19 15:41:23 the device doesnt care about initrd Feb 19 15:41:29 only the kernel does Feb 19 15:41:38 so its our own (well, the kernels) xz Feb 19 15:43:08 well, I'm repacking. And the kernel docs say that only lzma2 and bcj filters are supported with small dictionary and it asks to prefferably add crc checking Feb 19 15:43:13 boots now \o/ Feb 19 15:43:25 * xnox waits for tarball to unpack and automatic-oem-config to finish Feb 19 15:52:26 and it so totally self-provision =) Feb 19 15:52:28 * xnox rocks. Feb 19 15:54:14 * ogra_ applauds Feb 19 15:54:37 do you get completely through to the desktop ? Feb 19 15:55:02 yes. Feb 19 15:55:59 wow ! Feb 19 15:56:02 you rock ! Feb 19 15:56:16 it asks me for a password, but i can't remember it.... so where is that preseed file... Feb 19 15:56:27 i guess plars will have a party now Feb 19 15:56:39 uh, autologin should be preseeded Feb 19 15:59:00 it logged in fine, my password was !ubuntu123 and i couldn't login into pkexec. Feb 19 15:59:18 autologin is default, so no need to preseed it. Feb 19 15:59:35 well, thats what i meant above :) Feb 19 15:59:47 it should be set by default, sorry, wrong term Feb 19 16:00:22 just need to copy name, login, ssh pub id, network manager wifi and add it to usb-creator as "gift vs use my data" Feb 19 16:01:13 gah Feb 19 16:01:16 we could do wifi from the tarball-installer btw ... Feb 19 16:01:32 so you could wget that stuff before running oem-config Feb 19 16:01:52 ogra_: That has accessibility implications... :) Feb 19 16:02:02 Although on the nexus7 it doesn't really matter. Feb 19 16:02:11 wouldn't early command that drop it into oem hooks dir be sufficiently early enough? Feb 19 16:02:36 (rigth before the ac100-tarball-installer package gets removed we are chrooted and could set up the nework, use wget and pull a preseed file) Feb 19 16:02:40 TheMuso: these settings are copied from already configured ubuntu desktop for auto-preseeding. Feb 19 16:02:58 which is accesible (lets pretend usb-creator is fully accessible) Feb 19 16:03:04 TheMuso, nothing interactive that would need a11y here Feb 19 16:03:27 xnox: Point, usb-creator is accessible at least in quantal. Feb 19 16:05:19 geez, ubuntu.com is slow right now Feb 19 16:05:31 yeah Feb 19 16:06:10 woot, tablet-optimized unity) Feb 19 16:06:28 damn tablet folks Feb 19 16:06:31 this does look pretty hot Feb 19 16:06:40 obviously similar to the phone, but i think it's more compelling on the tablet Feb 19 16:09:37 * Tassadar saw "sidestage" somewhere before :) Feb 19 16:10:43 so... do i need to buy a nexus10 to use this? Feb 19 16:11:09 it's probably just "showcase dummy device" Feb 19 16:11:39 although he didn't say anything about actual devices Feb 19 16:15:40 Tassadar, yeah, but that's what was said about the Nexus phone, and it is actually the reference device Feb 19 16:16:09 even if it won't be the flagship device in stores (obviously) Feb 19 16:16:13 well, it's developement phone, not something users should have Feb 19 16:16:46 right, but it's a good phone, and it's the primary target. if the same is true of the nexus10 (which is a sexy tablet imo), it's tempting Feb 19 16:17:02 well, sexy and expensive Feb 19 16:17:04 truthfully i'd probably rather have the nexus10 than any other non-apple tablet Feb 19 16:17:54 well, theres nexus 7 Feb 19 16:18:50 yeah i have one of those Feb 19 16:19:05 if the new ubuntu tablet software runs on there, i'll definitely try that before i do anything else Feb 19 16:19:06 * Tassadar just realized he begun three sentences in a row with "well," Feb 19 16:19:09 :) Feb 19 16:21:33 there's a hell of a lot to like about this. i'm not sure if it can actually compete with Android, but suddenly the tablet (with flexible UI switching) makes total sense to me. whlie the phone just looked nice but ultimately doomed to fail Feb 19 16:22:20 having flexible language support could prove very important Feb 19 16:22:25 yeah, it looks good Feb 19 16:22:48 i wouldn't be surprised to see google copy some of that Feb 19 16:23:01 thebishop: I think further polish and convergence between phone and tablet will make the phone make more sense. Feb 19 16:23:09 not sure if they can actually get Android to convert to Chrome OS, but Android touch to Android TV is probably doable Feb 19 16:23:25 current tablet UI is just "normal UI" streched out to fill the screen -.- Feb 19 16:23:29 thebishop: Much like Android 2.x was great for phones, 3.x was great for tablets, but it wasn't until 4.x that there was a decent convergence story. Feb 19 16:23:52 infinity, exactly. that's the thing that impressed me. I already run Ubuntu on my laptop. I'm basically sold on Ubuntu Tablet. Integration with the phone makes it possible worth switching Feb 19 16:25:00 the biggest hurdle to widespread usage will be the same as Ubuntu desktop: getting OEM support Feb 19 16:25:17 but thanks to google's success and MS' blunders that may be more feasible now than ever Feb 19 16:27:54 Tassadar, Ars says it's coming to Nexus7 http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/ Feb 19 16:28:35 I wonder where did they get such information Feb 19 16:29:30 ah, wonderful, daily nexus 7 image is working again, thank you :) Feb 19 16:29:38 the sucky thing about Nexus7 is no sexy Ubuntu TV switching Feb 19 16:29:49 yeah, doesn't have hdmi Feb 19 16:29:53 unless Ubuntu has a miracast-alike tech (which would be awesome BTW) Feb 19 16:30:11 * Tassadar angrily shakes his hand at Asus Feb 19 16:30:20 haha Feb 19 16:30:32 the SoC has has hdmi pinout! Feb 19 16:30:37 kernel support is in there Feb 19 16:30:49 yeah? should i break out some flux and solder? Feb 19 16:30:54 hell, the dev versions of n7 even has hdmi connector Feb 19 16:30:58 yep Feb 19 16:31:03 i blame google, actually Feb 19 16:31:28 i think it was a combination of cost-savings and google maybe not actually wanting you to use nexus7 that way Feb 19 16:31:29 meh, probably some expensive license or something like that is needed for hdmi output Feb 19 16:31:36 similar to the no-MicroSD headscratcher Feb 19 16:31:51 Google seemed to have a narrow idea of how nexus7 would/should be used Feb 19 16:32:59 yeah, they want user to buy content from google play Feb 19 16:33:08 exactly Feb 19 16:33:18 shame that it is not available in here) Feb 19 16:33:22 nexus7 was a very strategically-minded product Feb 19 16:33:57 much like kindle fire Feb 19 16:34:04 except with real android Feb 19 16:34:33 yep Feb 19 16:35:33 but on the streaming possibilities... are there any? i read that miracast needs dualband radio, but iOS achieves a similar feat without it. Feb 19 16:35:59 http://www.google.cz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fesrlabs.com%2Fandroid-transporter-for-the-nexus-7-and-the-raspberry-pi%2F&ei=6qkjUbLTIITk4QSrw4CACQ&usg=AFQjCNFPcDgHVZuN9P5P1OxW0I2CN4Avgg&sig2=qNA1mY5WT-th8widcw3PMg&bvm=bv.42553238,d.bGE Feb 19 16:36:10 ah, sorry, google link, but anyway Feb 19 16:36:13 Android transporter Feb 19 16:36:16 and anyway, my understanding on the dualband limitation was that it needed one band for streaming to output, and another to stay online. what if you don't need to be online? Feb 19 16:37:11 not sure, but streaming needs quite fast connection Feb 19 16:37:26 it's not wifi-direct? Feb 19 16:37:37 yes, it is Feb 19 16:37:39 but even then Feb 19 16:45:30 ogra_: so to push WiFi settings we just need to copy one file across into /etc/ although that requires root =( Feb 19 16:46:00 so you could do it from the tarball installer Feb 19 16:46:31 but you need to pull it somewhere ... hmm, catch 22 Feb 19 16:47:31 ogra_: that's fine, since i'm rebuilding initramfs anyway.... Feb 19 16:47:38 so same as preseed =) Feb 19 16:47:44 well, yeah, then its easy Feb 19 16:48:13 just add some cp before the removal of the ac100-tarball-installer package Feb 19 16:48:41 or even earlier if you want Feb 19 17:39:26 how do i enable html5 on firefox? i cant watch videos on youtube Feb 19 17:40:03 have you enabled it here http://www.youtube.com/html5 ? Feb 19 17:44:47 I have a quick question... Once the "new" mobile and tablet software hit on thursday... will the current images of unity on the Nexus be replaced with that? Feb 19 17:44:59 Darkwing: No I don't think so. Feb 19 17:45:18 Okay. just wondering how that was going to work. Feb 19 18:10:19 ogra_: hmm.. so it ran out of battery but it's just flashed. it died at unpacking tarball. Feb 19 18:10:41 it's on ac charge now, but the screen flickers from time to time when (i guess) it's still trying to boot. Feb 19 18:10:48 charge it a bit first Feb 19 18:10:50 any tips on recovering from that? Feb 19 18:10:57 hmm, nope Feb 19 18:11:14 but i can't seem to force to be off and stop trying to poweron on power. Feb 19 18:11:30 the device is built in a way that it will always reboot if you HW reset it with the power button Feb 19 18:13:24 have you tried to force it to bootloader? Feb 19 18:13:43 if it has enough power yet Feb 19 18:13:59 but yeah, that would at least stop the loop Feb 19 18:14:14 or into that useless nvflash mode (pwr+volup) Feb 19 18:14:19 dunno, was there a shutdown option in the menu \? Feb 19 18:14:24 yes, it is there Feb 19 18:14:36 Is it possible that this list isn't up to date? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList Feb 19 18:14:39 yeah, then it will definitely help Feb 19 18:14:56 mainerror, heh, i didnt even know it existed :) Feb 19 18:15:07 :D Feb 19 18:15:46 I'll start by adding a Tegra 3 section and at least the Nexus 7 since it is the reference device for Ubuntu. Feb 19 18:16:23 yeah, good idea Feb 19 18:21:28 meh Feb 19 18:21:41 * xnox off to volleyball. will leave the tablet charging over night. Feb 19 18:23:26 xnox: If it's stuck on a flickering screen, it's not charging. You need to boot into recovery, arrow down to "power off", then turn it back on and you'll get the friendly battery meter. Feb 19 18:23:41 xnox: If it shuts off hard, it never gets itself into the right state to recharge. Feb 19 18:23:49 xnox: (I had this problem just a week ago) Feb 19 18:24:16 * ogra_ just listens to his battery applet Feb 19 18:24:50 and if i work in console its usually plugged in ... Feb 19 18:39:34 Done. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TabletList Feb 19 18:39:45 Now we have a Tegra 3 section and the Nexus 7. Feb 19 18:39:50 thanks a lot ! Feb 19 18:40:13 The section needs a description (or maybe not, I don't know). Feb 19 19:26:34 xnox, bug 1093050 btw Feb 19 19:26:35 Launchpad bug 1093050 in ubuntu-nexus7 "compiz dies during oem-config and steals the focus so that input fields are unusable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093050 Feb 19 20:37:46 does arm-linux-gnueabi- toolchain support cpu arm926ej-s? Feb 19 20:49:40 angs: Sort of. Feb 19 20:50:38 angs: You can target it with GCC (it's an armv5te), but our entire distro is built for armv7, including the libc and gcc stubs, so you'd need to probably start with crossing a new toolchain that's armv5-clean. Feb 19 20:53:33 thank you infinity Feb 19 20:54:16 do you know any prebuild arm-none-eabi toolchain that works on ubuntu 12.10? Feb 19 20:55:02 I saw somewhere to type "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:germia/archive3 " the apt-get update, but it outputs such errors Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com quantal-backports/universe Translation-en_US Feb 19 20:55:03 Fetched 4,240 B in 11s (375 B/s) Feb 19 20:55:03 W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/germia/archive3/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found Feb 20 00:55:06 infinity: ogra_ thanks. I came home and plugged it into the duracell battery pack and it managed to boot and install while i was making tea =) Feb 20 00:58:54 I wonder if we actually want an adb bridge running on ubuntu and allow to execute those commands (some of) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 20 02:59:58 2013