**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 16 02:59:58 2013 Apr 16 07:55:56 hi, i'm experimenting with ubuntu 13.04 on a nexus7 and was wondering what's used in order to check battery state. acpi is not installed. any hints? Apr 16 07:58:38 While using OLife my Eee Pad transformer was crashed. Apr 16 07:59:03 I have found the ROM from ASUS http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#support_Download_32 Apr 16 07:59:22 But how can i transfer it to my Eee Pad using OLife? Apr 16 08:07:44 Where do i put those files? http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#support_Download_32 Apr 16 08:07:56 i have downloaded the http://lilstevie.geek.nz/downloads/OLiFE-Prime-Edition.tar.gz_1.2a_TF101_767779ccfa200e5e00b2f1e33a3d73a9 Apr 16 08:57:05 dbus on org.freedesktop.UPower does the trick... Apr 16 08:59:03 right, we're using upower which attaches to the platform battery device Apr 16 09:08:30 another question, any idea to fix screen orientation to landscape? first time i tried 12.10 on n7, orientation was landscape, this changed with 13.04 to portrait Apr 16 09:11:24 it should actualy autorotate Apr 16 09:11:39 shake it ;) Apr 16 09:12:17 sudo service acceld stop Apr 16 09:12:23 Why the Asus Eee pad after installing OLife always in Black screen? Apr 16 09:12:25 use that to stop auto rotation Apr 16 09:12:37 then use xrandr to rotate Apr 16 09:13:53 ogra_: thx Apr 16 09:19:25 ogra_, where? Apr 16 09:21:14 IamTrying, ? Apr 16 09:21:17 where what ? Apr 16 11:22:17 ok, xrandr works, now i need to transform xinput as well in order to correct touch input... Apr 16 12:26:40 ogra_, no its ok thanks, i thought you answered me Apr 16 12:26:56 ah, sorry ... i didnt prefix the answer Apr 16 13:59:54 hrw, the nexus has usb host ... Apr 16 14:00:06 (just reading your blohg post) Apr 16 14:02:04 (not sure if android offers it in userspace though, but the ubuntu desktop nexus7 image heavily relies on usb host (and we use the android kernel)) Apr 16 14:06:00 ogra_: it has OTG Apr 16 14:06:21 well, it runs in host mode if you attach an OTG cable Apr 16 14:06:32 i'm using it with a HUB here Apr 16 14:06:42 with a bunch of devices attached Apr 16 14:07:29 sure but it is still otg Apr 16 14:07:53 and I have had bad experiences with such Apr 16 14:07:55 you want a big socket you mean ?= Apr 16 14:08:03 yep Apr 16 14:08:06 ah Apr 16 14:08:10 with ehci signalling Apr 16 14:08:22 i thought it was a complaint about function, not form :) Apr 16 14:08:28 both Apr 16 14:08:31 it uses ehci Apr 16 14:08:36 afaik Apr 16 14:09:47 updated post Apr 16 14:10:03 +And by USB Host port I mean normal EHCI host port. Not an OTG one present in Nexus 7. Apr 16 14:10:18 Archos has EHCI + OTG Apr 16 14:10:24 ah Apr 16 14:10:39 i never had an archos ... they never sent me one Apr 16 14:10:48 * ogra_ blames av500 :) Apr 16 14:10:50 I bought mine Apr 16 14:11:09 crazy talk :) Apr 16 14:11:09 never again Apr 16 14:11:26 omap4430 suxx too much with 512MB ram Apr 16 14:11:41 well, there were times when that was awesome :) Apr 16 14:11:52 4 years ago or so Apr 16 14:11:53 I had to skip those Apr 16 14:12:24 note that ubuntu touch actually focuses on 512M now :) Apr 16 14:12:57 arm926 512MB -> arm1136 128MB -> 1136 256MB -> omap3 128MB -> omap3 256MB -> omap4430 1GB Apr 16 14:13:09 s/(arm)?1136/i.mx31 Apr 16 14:13:15 tell that to the manufacturers Apr 16 14:14:29 the average non-highend phones still ship with 512M Apr 16 14:14:52 and 128MB of that is reserved for graphics :D Apr 16 14:23:39 ogra_: ICS was fine with 512MB Apr 16 14:23:52 UTouch will be too :) Apr 16 14:24:11 ogra_: where are apps for utouch? Apr 16 14:24:17 likely not shiny, but it will be ok Apr 16 14:24:27 in the apps PPAs Apr 16 14:24:42 michael hall blogs about them all the time Apr 16 14:24:51 see planet :) Apr 16 14:26:00 so far did not saw anything breath taking Apr 16 14:26:25 what woudl you expect ? there wasnt even a release of UTouch Apr 16 14:27:02 and for not having a stable api yet i think over 40 apps is a good number already Apr 16 14:27:16 (and for not having any sensors access) Apr 16 14:30:11 hrw, *and* Ubuntu Touch is the *only* OS that has a Jono Head app ! Apr 16 14:30:56 ;D Apr 16 14:31:13 ogra_: anyway I do not have device for ubuntu phone/tablet testing Apr 16 14:31:27 really ? Apr 16 14:31:34 we support over 50 Apr 16 14:32:20 ogra_: neither my nexus 4 or 7 are free to be reflashed Apr 16 14:32:35 I know that they are supported but I use them Apr 16 14:32:39 yeah, i dont run it on these either Apr 16 14:32:52 my test device is my old galaxy S2 Apr 16 14:32:55 heh the age old issue of needing actual working devices :-D Apr 16 14:33:14 i think thats solved brilliantly for UTouch Apr 16 14:33:25 thanks to the android core porting is super easy Apr 16 14:33:32 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices Apr 16 14:34:02 ogra_: I noticed that UbuntuTouchCore is other name for CyanogenMod ;D Apr 16 14:34:17 hmm, i dont think so ... Apr 16 14:34:31 core defines the plumbing layer on the ubuntu side afaik Apr 16 14:34:47 (libhybris and Mir) Apr 16 14:35:06 Building the Android pieces Apr 16 14:35:07 You can find all the needed Android git repositories at http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb. This is basically a mirror of CyanogenMod 10.1, but containing only the needed low level services used by Android (e.g. no Dalvik at all). Apr 16 14:35:15 porting guide Apr 16 14:35:20 yeah Apr 16 14:35:44 but i dont think thats what we calkl ubuntu touch core Apr 16 14:35:46 And: "To support a wide range of devices, we decided to use CyanogenMod as a base for the Android system. You could safely use AOSP, as we don't use a lot of the customizations and improvements done at the App/Java side, but it's easier with CyanogenMod due the scripts and build procedures available for it. " Apr 16 14:36:15 would be silly to upset the CM devs by renaming their stuff :) Apr 16 14:41:12 ;) Apr 16 14:41:38 will be intresting once we have the first preinstalled devices ... Apr 16 14:42:01 i dont think it is decided yet if that will keep the android layer or not Apr 16 14:44:22 It would certainly be better for the whole ecosystem if canonical put engineers into reverse engineering graphics drivers rather than working on wrapping propiertary android drivers Apr 16 14:44:52 well, that would take a lot longer Apr 16 14:45:15 which means they'd do cool stuff and go bankrupt ;) Apr 16 14:45:29 :) Apr 16 14:45:42 a cool but buggy solution Apr 16 14:46:09 like ndiswrapper was quick to come but ended up cringing users with cornercase bugs Apr 16 14:46:13 its a quick shot to get as many devices supported as possible so devs can work Apr 16 14:46:45 with 13.10 you will see the first preinstalled devices ... or shortly after Apr 16 14:47:18 and if canonical actually gains some market share there is the possibility to actually push for more opened drivers Apr 16 14:48:34 (i'm pretty sure it wont be hard to surpass BB or Win8 sales for one for the free OSes like FFos or UTouch ... the question is how close either of them comes to anbdroid or iOS in sales to make some actual impact) Apr 16 14:49:37 ogra_: preinstalled drivers, do you think there's a chance of gps and 3g drivers? Apr 16 14:49:52 i know the touch / graphics are much harder on people who use their n7 as a tablet Apr 16 14:50:02 but mine is wallmounted ;) Apr 16 14:50:35 the preinstalled ubuntu touch device will definitely support all builtin sensors, yes Apr 16 17:43:45 yeah someone needs to employ luc to get on with the mali drivers Apr 16 17:46:08 s'funny how we used to suffer with hardware only coming with windows binary driver support. Now it's the same with android binary driver support, which is slightly better but still quite annoying. Apr 16 17:47:01 I'm sure this isn;t where we supposed to end up. something went wrong somewhere along the way Apr 16 17:51:12 ogra_: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101339419642360856354/posts/MFc5mJKUAys Apr 16 17:51:59 heh, just popped up in my stream Apr 16 17:52:16 thanks :) Apr 16 17:52:27 (got you in my circles) Apr 16 17:53:04 ogra_: hehe Apr 16 17:53:14 ogra_: ahh right Apr 16 17:54:25 gma600 is PVR ? Apr 16 18:15:56 wookey: The Android binary driver situation isn't even remotely better. It's just *lucky* that Android happens to be Linux, and we can fudge the situation to our advantage and toss a free userspace on top. Apr 16 18:16:35 wookey: But I don't see that as progress, or even "a little better". We could have done the same thing with a free userspace on top of the NT kernel if we'd wanted to. Apr 16 21:55:01 * xnox ponders if Android used HURD kernel..... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 17 02:59:58 2013