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Jun 04 12:16:14 <shadeslayer> ogra: can you spin one more Nexus 7 Kubuntu Active image? or give me the scripts to do that?
Jun 04 12:16:54 <ogra> a) the scripts wont help you and b) there is no desktop kernel for the nexus7 anymore in saucy
Jun 04 12:16:54 <shadeslayer> I have access to a N7 now and can investigate why things are going wrong on the desktop image
Jun 04 12:17:01 <shadeslayer> bah
Jun 04 12:17:37 <ogra> you could change your seeds to use the ubuntu touch kernel, but would then end up without touchscreen support
Jun 04 12:17:38 <shadeslayer> ogra: mostly it seems like the OEM thingy doesn't run post boot
Jun 04 12:18:09 <shadeslayer> wait, isn't the kernel image separate from the one that's flashed to the data partition?
Jun 04 12:18:21 <shadeslayer> so why can't we use the kernel image that's already there + a different rootfs
Jun 04 12:18:22 <ogra> no
Jun 04 12:18:28 <shadeslayer> uhhh
Jun 04 12:18:51 <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg < isn't that the kernel + initramfs?
Jun 04 12:18:54 <ogra> well, the kernel would be, but the installl updates the initrd which in turn updates the kernel from /boot
Jun 04 12:19:01 <ogra> yes
Jun 04 12:19:06 <shadeslayer> ah
Jun 04 12:19:12 <ogra> but you need to re-roll the initrd after first boot
Jun 04 12:19:19 <shadeslayer> I see
Jun 04 12:21:19 <shadeslayer> ogra: can we bring the desktop kernel back? How much of a headache would it be to maintain it?
Jun 04 12:22:08 <shadeslayer> since the one in raring already works, would it need much work to get it to boot saucy?
Jun 04 12:22:26 <ogra> you could use the linux-grouper tree with a different config and patches added to make touch input work
Jun 04 12:23:02 <ogra> ask the kernel team, i dont know how much work it is ...
Jun 04 12:23:16 <shadeslayer> oh okay
Jun 04 12:25:32 <shadeslayer> ogra: oh, one more question, why would the touch not work with the ubuntu touch kernel?
Jun 04 12:26:01 <ogra> because it needs a hack to the touchscreen driver (which breaks it on touch)
Jun 04 12:26:16 <ogra> and indeed a completely different config
Jun 04 12:26:23 <ogra> touch uses all the android bits
Jun 04 12:27:15 <shadeslayer> I see
Jun 04 13:14:49 <hrw> ogra: does Ubuntu has working installer for any ARM device?
Jun 04 13:14:59 <ogra> ac100
Jun 04 13:15:12 <ogra> and if you want d-i/ubiquity ... pandaboard
Jun 04 13:15:15 <hrw> ogra: where I can read about it?
Jun 04 13:16:22 <xnox> wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity ?!
Jun 04 13:16:36 <ogra> hrw, about what specifically ?
Jun 04 13:16:43 <hrw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100 found
Jun 04 13:16:45 <ogra> d-i or preinstalled ?
Jun 04 13:16:54 <xnox> for pandaboard it's bog-standard ubiquity just like on the desktop. For ac100, it's pre-installed system running in oem-config mode.
Jun 04 13:17:16 <hrw> ogra: thinking of a way to get more usable installer for chromebook than JayLee script
Jun 04 13:17:19 <ogra> preinstalled uses the ac100-tarball-nstaller package ... i guess yu need to read the source, it doesnt have any additional docu
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Jun 04 23:16:49 <doomlord_> Does ubuntu arm run on the MK908 quadcore
Jun 04 23:35:33 <FreezingCold> Would you say Ubuntu ARM is suitable for a production system or not yet?
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Jun 05 00:00:28 <infinity> FreezingCold: What sort of production system?  (But, yes, we run it in production all the time)
Jun 05 00:01:03 <FreezingCold> infinity: actually I was just referring in general. In my case, payment/record keeping
Jun 05 00:04:24 <infinity> FreezingCold: If you can find hardware you think is decent/stable, I assure you that our software is fine.
Jun 05 00:06:19 <doomlord_> does it run on the mk908, or to ask another question, whats the most powerful device that can run ubuntu-arm
Jun 05 00:07:05 <FreezingCold> doomlord_: I'd like to know too
Jun 05 00:07:29 <FreezingCold> the MK908 would more or less be stable enough (probably)
Jun 05 00:08:11 <FreezingCold> the problem I see with MK's is that Ubuntu has to normally do some kind of funky flash/update, no?
Jun 05 00:09:06 <infinity> Well, there are differences between "will it run on", "do we have an installer for", and "do we have a kernel for".
Jun 05 00:09:47 <infinity> We don't provide a kernel or installer for the MK908, but our userspace would run just fine on it.
Jun 05 00:10:18 <infinity> Which is true of any armv7 device.
Jun 05 00:10:33 <infinity> As for ones we provide kernels for, the Calxeda stuff's probably the "most powerful".
Jun 05 00:10:37 <infinity> But also pricy. :P
Jun 05 00:10:43 <doomlord_> oh the servers?
Jun 05 00:11:48 <doomlord_> i still haven't got round to trying it on my N7 .. last i heard there were some problems
Jun 05 00:12:27 <infinity> Ubuntu Touch is still a work in progress, for sure.
Jun 05 00:44:20 <lilstevie> the funky flash-kernel stuff is only a convenience thing, you can still run perfectly fine without it
Jun 05 00:44:31 <lilstevie> just updating kernels is a bit more manual
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