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Jun 29 07:38:25 <daniel3> Anyone successfully gotten the Kubuntu-Live preinstall images for Nexus 7 to work?
Jun 29 11:35:10 <doomlord> does ubuntu run on Ouya :)
Jun 29 11:35:49 <ogra_> not yet ... there might be an ubuntu touch build some day
Jun 29 11:47:13 <doomlord> do you know if there are any linux distros installable on it ;
Jun 29 11:47:30 <doomlord> i realise there's similar hardware in the mk908, maybe thats more likely
Jun 29 11:48:13 <ogra_> well, ubuntu userspace should just work
Jun 29 11:49:12 <ogra_> you will have to replace the initrd in the boot.img with an ubuntu one and probably rebuild the kernel without android options enabled
Jun 29 11:49:23 <ogra_> then ubuntu should just run
Jun 29 11:49:32 <doomlord> was just thinking of an ouya impulse purchase.. not sure if it would just be junk.
Jun 29 11:49:37 <ogra_> or you just wait until someone does an ubuntu touch port :)
Jun 29 11:50:06 <doomlord> i'm sure someone will put a linux on it
Jun 29 11:50:18 <doomlord> a GNU linux
Jun 29 11:50:29 <doomlord> whatever the distinction is.. desktop environment etc (how do i word this)
Jun 29 11:50:33 <ogra_> aer there others ?
Jun 29 11:50:50 * ogra_ has never head of non GNU Linux :P
Jun 29 11:50:58 <doomlord> android
Jun 29 11:51:08 <doomlord> android is linux.. just not ....
Jun 29 11:51:30 <ogra_> the linux android uses is still compiled using gcc
Jun 29 11:51:42 <doomlord> Whats the key difference between Android-(linux) and Ubuntu-(linux) ...
Jun 29 11:51:42 <tassadar_> ...not good enough..? :P
Jun 29 11:51:45 <ogra_> so even that is GNU Linux ;)
Jun 29 11:52:02 <doomlord> i mean they're both 'linux', but there's a lot ubuntu does that android doesn't
Jun 29 11:52:24 <doomlord> gnu userland ? what is the precise description of what android doesn't have that a linux desktop os does
Jun 29 11:52:26 <ogra_> doomlord, android uses a java based userspace all over the place
Jun 29 11:52:46 <ogra_> ubuntu uses a native ine
Jun 29 11:52:48 <ogra_> *one
Jun 29 11:54:07 <ogra_> android also applies a big set of patches to the kernel
Jun 29 12:14:00 <fly-away> and jvm-based android works much faster
Jun 29 12:14:10 <fly-away> native so native
Jun 29 12:55:38 <ogra_> fly-away, hmm ? did you test ubuntu touch on a nexus4 yet ?
Jun 29 12:56:03 <fly-away> havent nexus4
Jun 29 12:56:13 <fly-away> its about ac100)
Jun 29 12:56:35 <ogra_> well, how can you claim that android under java is faster if you havent compared ?
Jun 29 12:57:06 * ogra_ guesses ubuntu touch is definitely faster than android on the ac100 too
Jun 29 13:16:23 <fly-away> talking about ac100 and ubuntu 12.04 vs android
Jun 29 13:16:37 <fly-away> afaik there is no ubuntu touch for ac100
Jun 29 13:17:07 <fly-away> anyway is ubuntu touch usable without touchscreen?
Jun 29 13:31:14 <ogra_> there was an early port of ubuntu touch to ac100 but yeah, before unity8 is ready for desktops and gets a cursor it wont be any fun
Jun 29 13:32:41 <ogra_> but you can assume that it will always be faster ... it uses the android HAL and its binary blobs but no java ... after all you get the best of both worlds
Jun 29 13:40:27 <fly-away> afaik main ubuntu 12.04 problem is very high memory monsumption
Jun 29 13:40:32 <fly-away> consumption*
Jun 29 13:40:55 <fly-away> so 3-4 tabs in browser put system to swap
Jun 29 13:41:02 <fly-away> and thats all
Jun 29 13:41:29 <fly-away> in android I could open 10 tabs and its ok
Jun 29 13:41:36 <ogra_> yeah, thats better in 13.04
Jun 29 13:41:59 <ogra_> it saw a lot of ram consumption improvements (especislly on arm as preparation for ubuntu touch)
Jun 29 13:42:03 <fly-away> yeah, only one is worser with 13.04 - no firefox, only chromium
Jun 29 13:42:11 <ogra_> ??
Jun 29 13:42:13 <fly-away> that eats even more))
Jun 29 13:42:17 <ogra_> i'm using firefox here
Jun 29 13:42:20 <ogra_> oh
Jun 29 13:42:21 <fly-away> oh)
Jun 29 13:42:27 <ogra_> i thought it would be not available :)
Jun 29 13:42:44 <ogra_> *i thought you mean
Jun 29 13:43:46 <fly-away> so is armhf firefox packages available in 13.04?
Jun 29 13:44:07 <ogra_> sure
Jun 29 13:44:10 <fly-away> nice
Jun 29 13:44:16 <ogra_> as is chromium
Jun 29 13:44:27 <fly-away> and what  ram consumption improvements  did you mean?
Jun 29 13:44:39 <ogra_> or idori ... epiphany ... name your preferred browser :)
Jun 29 13:45:13 <ogra_> the whole cycle the whole team was foused on im[proving the app footprint of ubuntu desktop on arm devices
Jun 29 13:45:57 <fly-away> so is this work already done?
Jun 29 13:46:39 <ogra_> (thats why we had the nexus7 desktop images during that cycle ... ram consumption on these went from ~650M at the beginning down to about 350M by release day with the same apps
Jun 29 13:46:47 <ogra_> )
Jun 29 13:47:45 <fly-away> hm
Jun 29 13:48:15 <fly-away> nexus7 uses typical armhf packages?
Jun 29 13:48:27 <ogra_> nexus7 did use ubuntu-desktop
Jun 29 13:48:47 <ogra_> completely identical to a PC install on x86
Jun 29 13:52:21 <fly-away> so
Jun 29 13:52:38 <fly-away> what exactly did crew do?
Jun 29 13:52:58 <fly-away> patches for apps or what?
Jun 29 13:55:05 <ogra_> right, inspecting all apps, finding the memory hogs and fixing them ... alls all long running python processes were ripped out and services that can run on demand only get started when needed
Jun 29 13:55:20 <ogra_> s/alls/also/
Jun 29 13:56:05 <ogra_> with the change to uniy8 and Mir the memory frootprint is currently around 150M
Jun 29 13:56:05 <fly-away> thats nice))
Jun 29 13:56:32 <ogra_> (though ubuntu-touch/unity8 obviously isnt a full desktop yet)
Jun 29 19:48:03 <marcothis> hi
Jun 29 19:50:34 <marcothis> help me install http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/38070-ubuntu-1210-quantal-armhf-for-elf-ii/
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