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Aug 24 15:59:12 <teeks99> I've got an Allwinner A10 chip (in a HDMI dongle), which is a Cortex A8 (ARMv7). The image I see on releases.ubuntu.com says it's an armhf+omap4....does that mean the omap part is optional and it will work with any armhf?
Aug 24 16:09:51 <infinity> teeks99: Our userspace will work with any ARMv7, but you'll need to bring your own kernel, we don't ship an A10 kernel.
Aug 24 16:15:38 <teeks99> i see
Aug 24 16:16:00 <teeks99> so kernels are specific to manufacturers?
Aug 24 16:30:31 <infinity> teeks99: Sadly, at this point, yes.  And often specific to device, not just SoC.
Aug 24 16:30:59 <infinity> teeks99: Work is ongoing to make that not true, but some OEMs play better on the generic multiplatform kernel front than others.
Aug 24 16:31:07 <teeks99> i see
Aug 24 16:32:07 <teeks99> so TI's omap4 is the only one that is officially supported?
Aug 24 16:32:17 <teeks99> with 13.04
Aug 24 16:33:13 <infinity> And via the generic kernel, a few others (Calxeda highbank, Freescale i.MX6, TI OMAP3, ARM vexpress...)
Aug 24 16:33:23 <infinity> But not the A10, sorry.
Aug 24 16:36:26 <teeks99> so what's currently the cheapest one I could get to try out?
Aug 24 16:38:17 <infinity> A Beagleboard-xM (OMAP3) or Pandaboard (OMAP4) might still be your best bets, if you don't feel comfortably rolling your own kernel.
Aug 24 16:39:15 <infinity> The iMX6 SabreLite will outperform both, but installing to one isn't foolproof.  I should probably fix that when I find some Spare Time(tm).
Aug 24 16:39:55 <teeks99> cool, thanks for the tips
Aug 24 17:16:41 <das_plague> no recommendation for beaglebone black?
Aug 24 17:26:22 <infinity> prpplague: I'd happily recommend it if I knew we shipped a kernel/installer that worked out of the box with it, since the above user wasn't comfy with fiddling with his own kernels.
Aug 24 17:27:30 <prpplague> infinity: which brings me to the point.... why can't get a out of the box installation for black?
Aug 24 17:27:35 <infinity> prpplague: In fact, if someone can tell us what we need to do to make the generic multiplatform kernel happy on the Black, I'd be happy to get it going and add installer support for it.  Though, it might help if I had a device. :/
Aug 24 17:27:53 * prpplague bangs head on desk
Aug 24 17:28:12 <prpplague> infinity: i've been emailing and calling for two weeks to canonical trying to get this done
Aug 24 17:28:20 <infinity> prpplague: SRSLY?  To whom?
Aug 24 17:28:24 <infinity> (Clearly not me)
Aug 24 17:54:38 <armin76> lol
Aug 24 17:54:54 <armin76> bureaucracy
Aug 25 00:23:28 <lilstevie> <teeks99> so kernels are specific to manufacturers? <-- they can be specific all the way down to a device level depending on SoC and whether they use device trees
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