**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 22 03:00:00 2013 Sep 22 03:16:52 Any Tegra 2 porter assistans available? Sep 22 03:17:40 *assistants Sep 22 03:28:30 AmEv, I don't think you'll find anybody here that talks :( Sep 22 03:28:54 I'm still wondering how Ubuntu gets installed on an Arm device Sep 22 03:29:11 Tablet? Sep 22 03:29:24 I'm still trying to get it on my Toshiba Thrive. Sep 22 03:30:06 Found lots of guides, but every time I try applying it to the Thrive, all I get is..... About that much. Sep 22 03:31:08 AmEv, It's not a tablet I'm looking to put Ubuntu on, it's a tiny PC like the Raspberry Pi. Sep 22 03:31:12 But powerful Sep 22 03:31:20 Oh..... Sep 22 03:31:29 What model is it? Sep 22 03:31:29 Odroid is what it's called Sep 22 03:31:51 OK. Sep 22 03:32:16 Is that a "zero" or an "O"? Sep 22 03:32:27 an O as in oreo Sep 22 03:32:56 Never mind; found ti. Sep 22 03:32:57 *i Sep 22 03:33:00 *it Sep 22 03:33:56 http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/main.php right? Sep 22 03:35:48 What'd I miss? Sep 22 03:36:34 Still here. Think I found something. Sep 22 03:37:19 Which model do you specifically have, Nothing_Much_? Sep 22 03:38:25 AmEv, I'm looking to get the U2 one Sep 22 03:38:32 It's half the size of a credit card :O Sep 22 03:40:40 Heh. No kidding. Sep 22 03:41:11 I really really need something like that, but I'd also like to know if there's a repository for Ubuntu's Arm build Sep 22 03:41:19 I'd like to do some video editing, if possible. Sep 22 03:41:26 With Kdenlive preferably. Sep 22 03:42:16 Did you take a look at http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12 ? Sep 22 03:43:45 AmEv, That looks outdated Sep 22 03:45:06 Well, I'm no ARM expert (obviously), but it looks like you might be able to update. Sep 22 03:45:23 I've never heard of Linaro before Sep 22 03:45:25 Lemme check it out Sep 22 03:45:57 Also, Kdenlive does have an ARM build. Can't attest to how good it is (let alone on ARM), though. Sep 22 03:46:07 I'm really confused about it Sep 22 03:46:21 It SHOULD be as easy as just installing on an x86 cpu! Sep 22 03:46:36 Welcome to the world of ARM. Sep 22 03:46:56 I also wish it was that easy, too. Sep 22 03:46:58 Though. Sep 22 03:47:15 I'm open to trying something new Sep 22 03:47:27 But c'mon, where's the instructions on the Ubuntu website?? D: Sep 22 03:48:52 Looks like the Ubuntu website doesn't have links; guess it's jsut the odroid link I posted. Sep 22 03:48:53 If you want it to be as easy as x86, get the hundreds of ARM SoC/board vendors to get their kernels functional upstream. Sep 22 03:49:18 Our userspace works fine on all of them, but we can't give you nice hassle-free installers without sane and functional kernels. Sep 22 03:50:05 infinity, I'm not sure what you mean by that. Sep 22 03:50:16 The hardware kernels or firmware? Sep 22 03:51:33 The kernel sources merged upstream, right? Sep 22 03:52:00 I'm confused, what kernels? Sep 22 03:52:02 Yes, that. They need to get their patches merged upstream, and they need to make them function with the new generic/multiplatform world order. Sep 22 03:52:30 Sadly, most vendors don't put much effort into that, and then just blame distros for being "lazy" and not maintaining 75 out-of-tree kernels. Sep 22 03:52:32 Well, prepare for literally hundreds of gnu_linux__defconfig.... haha Sep 22 03:52:36 It's improving, though. Slowly. Sep 22 03:53:00 I'd give anything that I can afford to get rid of this heater right next to me :/ Sep 22 03:53:03 Yeah... Still frustrated at the fact that Tegra foo support is spotty. Sep 22 03:53:19 foo? Sep 22 03:53:29 AmEv: Tegra's actually better than most now. srwarren and friends have been putting a lot of effort in. Sep 22 03:53:37 Oh... Sep 22 03:53:43 (which reminds me, I need to review a patch from him to debian-installer...) Sep 22 03:54:06 It's just that my Tegra 2 device has never booted anything other than Android. Sep 22 03:54:14 Ugh, Android Sep 22 03:54:31 I'd take iOS over that mess of an OS Sep 22 03:54:32 Heck, I couln't even get Ubuntu Touch to properly boot, either. Sep 22 03:54:52 (Toshiba Thrive, if you missed it at all). Sep 22 03:55:10 I can't wait for Ubuntu Touch to come out though, on a phone I can buy. Sep 22 03:55:25 Got a kernel. Got a rootfs. Got a boot.img. Then got.... Stuck at "Toshiba" screen. Sep 22 03:55:50 Then got frustrated and walked away for several months. Sep 22 03:56:17 Can I get a translation as to why there's so many different out of tree kernels for 1 CPU? Sep 22 03:56:27 Or arch, I should say? Sep 22 03:56:58 Still, infinity, anything specific you know of that you can point me to, to help me out? Sep 22 03:57:21 Well, "arch" is short for "architecture". It's literally how the CPU is designed. Sep 22 03:57:39 Exactly Sep 22 03:57:56 So I would assume there shouldn't be more than 1 kernel for Arm... right? What am I missing? Sep 22 03:58:02 x86 uses what is known as "self-describing hardware". Sep 22 03:59:30 ARM, however, each and every piece of hardware *needs* to be explained in the kernel. Sep 22 04:00:35 So.. why aren't the firmware devs giving out anything to the main kernel or the arm version of the Linux kernel? Sep 22 04:02:00 Most companies are just doing the bare minimum because they don't see the point in doing more with a product with "minimal market share". Sep 22 04:02:15 Plain english? "We're just plain lazy". Sep 22 04:02:39 Wait, so Android has an installer easily? Sep 22 04:02:50 Nothing_Much: ARM doesn't have a standard for device discovery (like openfirmware on PPC/Sparc, or ACPI on x86/ia64), so booting a "generic" kernel that could discover devices on the fly and function well wasn't an option. Sep 22 04:03:14 Nothing_Much: That led to fragmentation as everyone just did their own thing in their own little playground to have kernels that could only boot on one very specific and narrow devic definition. Sep 22 04:03:38 Also, each and every device has very different GPIO pinouts. Even MOAR fragmentation. Sep 22 04:03:50 Nothing_Much: We're fixing that with device tree and a slow consolodation of code back into the generic/multiplatform kernel, but it's slow going to fix an old unfriendly tree to play well with others. Sep 22 04:04:39 So, hopefully, in the future, we can get ARM kernels in the repos, right? Sep 22 04:04:48 Oh please god make it so. Sep 22 04:04:51 AmEv: The future is now? :P Sep 22 04:05:13 AmEv: We *have* a generic kernel in the archive that boots several platforms. What we don't have is dozens of platform-specific kernels. Sep 22 04:05:57 I thought it went "the past is history, the future is history, but right now is a gift; that's why it's called the 'present'"? Sep 22 04:06:16 *future is a mystery Sep 22 04:06:52 Still, that's one reason why manufacturers are required to push kernel sources, right? Sep 22 04:07:56 They're required by the GPL to publish their sources if they give you a device with a Linux kernel binary on it, yes. Not that that helps much when their source is some hacked up fork of a fork of a fork of a tree from three years ago, unless you want to spend countless man-months fixing up their stuff to work the Right Way. Sep 22 04:10:15 I'm still curious if there's a way to inject the ADB server into Android-to-native-Ubuntu devices..... Sep 22 04:10:28 If so, that would make debugging a crapton easier. Sep 22 04:13:43 Still, if any Tegra guru wants to give me pointers, I'm on XDA, same handle. Sep 22 04:14:15 (Not that you haven't given me any help at all right now, guys! Humor always is a GREAT help!) Sep 22 16:42:51 Hi, how can I add TIOMAP PPA to the apt repositories list in Ubuntu 13.04?? Sep 23 00:53:51 Hi again. Sep 23 01:08:11 How do I install Mali 400 graphics drivers on Ubuntu 13.10 armel? Sep 23 01:11:43 Hey again NM! Sep 23 01:19:28 Hey AmEv Sep 23 01:22:04 I need to figure out what these Mali 400 graphics do Sep 23 01:27:05 Or rather how to install the drivers themselves! Sep 23 01:28:07 Anybody? Sep 23 01:44:48 Hm. Sep 23 01:52:28 Uh Sep 23 01:52:35 Can I get a status on XMir on Arm? Sep 23 02:06:24 Try taking a look at http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/02/19/ubuntu-linaro-12-11-with-2d3d-mali-400-gpu-acceleration-on-odroid-x-development-board/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 23 02:59:59 2013