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Sep 24 12:38:40 <Vanfanel> hi there,
Sep 24 12:39:37 <Vanfanel> after adding ppa:tiomap-dev/release repository on Ubuntu 12.04, I wanted to install kernel package: linux-image-3.5.0-223-omap4
Sep 24 12:40:10 <Vanfanel> however, running update & upgrade will only install OMAP4 kernel 3.4
Sep 24 12:40:22 <Vanfanel> do you know what's the problem, please?
Sep 24 12:44:53 <ndec> Vanfanel: where is this kernel supposed to come from?
Sep 24 12:45:39 <Vanfanel> The one I want to install? From this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
Sep 24 12:45:53 <ndec> the 12.04 TI PPA only has 3.4, not 3.5
Sep 24 12:46:31 <Vanfanel> but in that page it says it's supported in 12.04, or am I reading/interpreting it wrong?
Sep 24 12:47:29 <ndec> 12.04 is 'precise'
Sep 24 12:48:20 <ndec> i don't see 3.5 mentioned as supported in 12.04.
Sep 24 12:48:33 <ndec> 12.04 'official' kernel is 3.2, and the TI PPA comes with 3.4
Sep 24 13:22:59 <Vanfanel> ndec: sorry to insist but, what does this line mean then??
Sep 24 13:23:01 <Vanfanel> 3.5.0-233.49 proposed (main) 2013-09-16
Sep 24 13:23:27 <Vanfanel> It's under The Quantal Quetzal
Sep 24 13:23:34 <Vanfanel> here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
Sep 24 13:23:49 <Vanfanel> My understanding on that line is that 3.5 IS supported on QQ
Sep 24 13:24:00 <Vanfanel> Obviously I'm wring
Sep 24 13:24:01 <ndec> QQ is 12.04
Sep 24 13:24:02 <Vanfanel> wrong
Sep 24 13:24:05 <ndec> QQ is 12.10, i meant
Sep 24 13:24:20 <Vanfanel> ahh!
Sep 24 13:24:25 <ndec> ;-)
Sep 24 13:24:37 <Vanfanel> Precisse Pangolin is 12.04 then...
Sep 24 13:24:39 <Vanfanel> I see
Sep 24 13:24:47 <Vanfanel> haha, now it's clear :D
Sep 24 13:24:56 <Vanfanel> Let me add a last question
Sep 24 13:25:03 <Vanfanel> Let's see I have that page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4
Sep 24 13:25:22 <Vanfanel> how could I add that PPA to 13.04, for example?
Sep 24 13:25:33 <ndec> this page is not a PPA
Sep 24 13:25:39 <Vanfanel> would it be the same? ie: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
Sep 24 13:25:51 <ndec> this web page is the 'official' archive content
Sep 24 13:25:55 <Vanfanel> but that page is.. ehmm..  info about a PPA, right?
Sep 24 13:26:20 <ndec> no. it's info about a specific package from the ubuntu archive
Sep 24 13:26:28 <Vanfanel> ok
Sep 24 13:26:46 <Vanfanel> well, ppa:tiomap-dev/release IS a PPA, then
Sep 24 13:27:07 <Vanfanel> so I should be able to do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release
Sep 24 13:27:13 <Vanfanel> in 13.04 too
Sep 24 13:27:15 <Vanfanel> right?
Sep 24 13:28:02 <ogra_> no
Sep 24 13:28:09 <ogra_> there are no packages for 13.04 in the PPA
Sep 24 13:28:26 <ogra_> would be pointless to add it
Sep 24 13:28:51 <Vanfanel> but OMAP4 special packages ARE installable in desktop 13.04, as if the PPA would come already installed
Sep 24 13:29:21 <ogra_> in the ubuntu desktop images all latest packages for GLES support are preinstalled
Sep 24 13:29:21 <Vanfanel> so.. where do these packages come from in 13.04?
Sep 24 13:29:30 <ogra_> from the archive
Sep 24 13:29:59 <Vanfanel> they can't be "retrieved" from a repository in 13.04 then?
Sep 24 13:30:12 <ogra_> from the ubuntu archive
Sep 24 13:30:29 <ogra_> but they are already installed if yoou use the desktop image, there is nothing to add
Sep 24 13:30:34 <Vanfanel> ogra_: you mean from the official Ubuntu repositories, don't you?
Sep 24 13:30:47 <ogra_> (we dont have codecs for any later release than 12.10)
Sep 24 13:30:51 <ogra_> yes
Sep 24 13:31:08 <ogra_> the PPA only offers yoou codecs fro video playback that only work in 12.10
Sep 24 13:31:17 <ogra_> there is nothing else in that PPA anymore afaik
Sep 24 13:31:53 <Vanfanel> ogra_: I am using 12.04 "core". I got to install from PPA every needed OMAP4 package (kernel, EGL/GLES/libgbm)
Sep 24 13:32:07 <Vanfanel> and tried 13.04 ·desktop"
Sep 24 13:32:08 <ogra_> ugh
Sep 24 13:32:11 <ogra_> dont use core
Sep 24 13:32:22 <ogra_> it is not for being used, it is for image builders
Sep 24 13:32:34 <Vanfanel> you told me so, ogra_ .. and believe me, I tried the desktop option
Sep 24 13:32:40 <Vanfanel> but it's SO slow it's unusable
Sep 24 13:32:43 <ogra_> (if you want to design an image for a car manufacturer for example)
Sep 24 13:32:45 <Vanfanel> totally utterly unusable
Sep 24 13:32:55 <Vanfanel> And CORE is fast and light
Sep 24 13:33:02 <Vanfanel> I don't need Xorg stuff at all
Sep 24 13:33:06 <ogra_> sure, then go ahead if you feel like
Sep 24 13:33:19 <ogra_> why do you fiddle with the PPA then
Sep 24 13:33:20 <Vanfanel> so building from core is way easier for me...
Sep 24 13:33:26 <ogra_> if you dont need graphical stuff
Sep 24 13:33:32 <Vanfanel> Because I need EGL/GLES on KMS
Sep 24 13:33:35 <Vanfanel> not X
Sep 24 13:33:43 <Vanfanel> I do need graphics, but not X
Sep 24 13:33:49 <ogra_> yes, then you want the pvr driver from the ubuntu archive
Sep 24 13:33:54 <ogra_> *dont* use the PPA
Sep 24 13:34:05 <Vanfanel> I already have everything working on 12.04 core
Sep 24 13:34:07 <Vanfanel> ah
Sep 24 13:34:11 <Vanfanel> ok,ok
Sep 24 13:34:25 <Vanfanel> so, in 13.04, I just don't need to add the PPA!
Sep 24 13:34:25 <Vanfanel> :D
Sep 24 13:34:51 <Vanfanel> I just need to install the OMAP4 stuff from the default Ubuntu repos, right??
Sep 24 13:34:56 <Vanfanel> on 13.04, that's it
Sep 24 13:36:35 <ndec> Vanfanel: ogra_: right, iirc, we released the PVR drivers for 13.04 and they were uploaded in the archive. i forgot about that...
Sep 24 13:37:02 <ndec> i don't remember if what we released at that time had a working EGL/KMS though.
Sep 24 13:37:16 <ndec> also, that wouldn't get you any Gstreamer codec stuff.
Sep 24 13:37:16 <ogra_> ndec, i dont think we changed anything for 13.04
Sep 24 13:37:35 <Vanfanel> I don't need any gstreamer stuff, don't worry
Sep 24 13:37:42 <ogra_> i know Laney and mlankhorst took quite some effort to keep the quantal stack actually
Sep 24 13:37:54 <Vanfanel> it's for an "embedded" project that uses GLES/EGL/KMS only
Sep 24 13:38:10 <ndec> ogra_: still, we don't know what the status of EGL/KMS (e.g. PVR without X11) is with that is in the archive. we might have updaded our drivers in the PPA after we released that to you.
Sep 24 13:38:59 <Vanfanel> ndec: I would need updated drivers as some libgbm functions this project uses aren't implemented in the libdrm in 12.04
Sep 24 13:39:21 <Vanfanel> ndec: so I could use the latest pvr libgbm if available..
Sep 24 13:39:35 <ndec> well, the most 'up-to-date' version would be in the 12.04 PPA.
Sep 24 13:40:10 <ndec> but i am not sure if that would work with 13.04 or not.
Sep 24 13:40:19 <Vanfanel> particularly, this function is unimplemented: gbm_surface_has_free_buffers()
Sep 24 13:40:32 <ndec> for sure it wouldn't work with 13.04 if you were using X11 (X11 ABI changed), but for X-less, i don't know
Sep 24 13:41:06 <Vanfanel> X-less only. But if I won't get any new version in 13.04, I'll stay with 12.04 I guess
Sep 24 13:43:20 <ndec> well, TI has supported 12.04 until March/April this year. so that's your best bet.
Sep 24 13:43:54 <ndec> there has never been any official support on 13.04 or beyond. we only made one code drop to canonical for the PVR drivers to be included in 13.04
Sep 24 13:47:42 <Vanfanel> I feeld sad for the Pandaboard, it's such a great product :(
Sep 24 13:49:45 <ndec> Vanfanel: indeed... most people from TI found new jobs... only panda was left alone ;-)
Sep 24 13:50:59 <Vanfanel> ndec: how hard is it for the PVR on the Panda to get FOSS drivers? For x-less EGL/GLES/KMS stuff without TI involvement
Sep 24 13:51:23 <Vanfanel> no binaries, in the same manner as Intel chipsets get
Sep 24 13:51:51 <ndec> well, i would say that if the scale is 1 to 10 (from trivial to complex), i would say 100 ;-)
Sep 24 13:52:15 <ndec> you realize that you are asking for reverse engineering the PVR GPU, right?
Sep 24 13:52:54 <Vanfanel> ndec: well, I was thinking about some ex-IT guy doing it by knowing the chip's inners
Sep 24 13:53:15 <ndec> hehe... i wonder who you might be thinking about ;-)
Sep 24 13:53:20 <Vanfanel> but according to robclark, you're under DNA
Sep 24 13:53:34 <Vanfanel> you / him
Sep 24 13:53:58 <ndec> yeah, i believe so. that would be very complex anyways to write from scratch., very complex.
Sep 24 13:55:04 <Vanfanel> well, I value a good opinion, so I'm really thankful for your effort in clearing this out for me :)
Sep 24 13:56:14 <ndec> np.
Sep 24 19:53:12 <Vanfanel> hi there,
Sep 24 19:53:23 <Vanfanel> on an OMAP dev board
Sep 24 19:53:26 <Vanfanel> is it possible to boot using omapfb instead of omapdrm using TI's kernel?
Sep 24 19:53:40 <Vanfanel> it boots, by default, with omapdrm
Sep 24 19:54:00 <Vanfanel> and I need omapfb's specific features
Sep 24 20:33:59 <Vanfanel> ok... let's see
Sep 24 20:34:14 <Vanfanel> do you know where can I find the sources for linux-image-3.4.0-1490-omap4 ?
Sep 24 20:34:32 <Vanfanel> how can I install these sources or where is the git repo to get them?
Sep 24 23:26:48 <AmEv> Hey again.
Sep 24 23:31:16 <AmEv> Same question as always: Getting Ubuntu on the Toshiba Thrive.
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