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Nov 20 19:27:55 <ogra_> bug 1237160
Nov 20 19:27:56 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1237160 in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch (Ubuntu) "initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch interferes with update-initramfs on amd64" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237160
Nov 20 20:04:44 <infinity> ogra_: Looks like it shouldn't be hardcoding those library paths, since I suspect we want that to work on x86 touch devices too, if they existed.
Nov 20 20:04:53 <infinity> ogra_: (Or, say, x86 images for goldfish)
Nov 20 20:05:08 <ogra_> yeah, thats why i'm looking at it
Nov 20 20:05:23 <ogra_> it should also have a properly restricted Arch: field
Nov 20 20:05:29 <ogra_> we dont want it on amd64
Nov 20 20:05:41 <ogra_> but thats independent from the general bug
Nov 20 20:05:43 <infinity> ogra_: I see no reason it needs to be artificially arch-restricted.
Nov 20 20:06:09 <ogra_> we only want it on armhf and i386 ... and in a year or two on arm64
Nov 20 20:06:47 <infinity> ogra_: Only because that's all you have devices for right now.  I still see it as an artificial restriction.
Nov 20 20:07:02 <infinity> Oh, it's already arch-restricted anyway. :P
Nov 20 20:07:28 <ogra_> it definitely is an artificial restriction
Nov 20 20:07:44 <ogra_> but a wanted one
Nov 20 20:09:01 <ogra_> infinity, i dont hardcode any lib paths btw, it just uses copy_exec
Nov 20 20:09:09 <ogra_> but it expects armhf
Nov 20 20:09:14 <infinity> ogra_: You totally hardcode library paths, I'm looking right at it.
Nov 20 20:09:19 <infinity> hooks/touch:copy_exec /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
Nov 20 20:09:20 <ogra_> oh ?
Nov 20 20:09:25 <ogra_> oh !
Nov 20 20:09:31 <ogra_> ok
Nov 20 20:09:51 <infinity> ogra_: See plymouth, which does a sed in debian/rules to get DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH into its hooks file.
Nov 20 20:10:01 <ogra_> will do
Nov 20 20:10:52 <ogra_> btw, did you ever get to make plymouth not pull in the x86 graphics libs ?
Nov 20 20:10:58 <ogra_> we'll need that fix soon
Nov 20 20:11:21 <infinity> Wasn't that fixed ages ago?
Nov 20 20:11:37 <ogra_> nope
Nov 20 20:11:54 <ogra_> i think that fell off the table
Nov 20 20:12:03 <ogra_> and had no importance anymore
Nov 20 20:12:12 <infinity> Pretty sure you're wrong.
Nov 20 20:12:25 <ogra_> (last time i bothered with it was the N7 desktop image... long before the denmark UDS)
Nov 20 20:12:29 <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/trusty-core-armhf.manifest
Nov 20 20:12:44 <infinity> ogra_: ^-- plymouth is in there, but no intel/nouveau/radeon stuff.
Nov 20 20:13:17 <ogra_> hmm, it definitely wasnt like that nback then
Nov 20 20:13:37 <ogra_> but then we ripped plymouth out on the N7 ... so it became a non issue
Nov 20 20:13:38 <infinity> libdrm2 no longer pulls in the card-specific plugins at all.
Nov 20 20:13:43 <ogra_> ok
Nov 20 20:13:45 <infinity> Which, in effect, leaves you with genric kms.
Nov 20 20:14:12 <ogra_> well, plymouth will get a Mir backend ...
Nov 20 20:14:22 <ogra_> which should add an abstraction layer
Nov 20 21:57:50 <sveinse> Anyone with experience with odroid-xu?
Nov 20 21:58:28 <sveinse> I'm REALLY looking forward to having a native buildserver with some decent performance
Nov 20 21:59:04 <sveinse> So question is if I can run 12.04 on it. <-- This all depends on having a kernel which is compatible with precise, I guess
Nov 20 22:12:47 <infinity> sveinse: Any reasonably modern kernel should do with the precise userspace.
Nov 20 22:13:50 <sveinse> infinity: Yeah, that is what I thought as well. Esp when 3.11.0 is available on precise
Nov 20 22:14:23 <sveinse> They support 13.04 Ubuntu AFAIK, so there should be no problems using it on precise as well
Nov 20 22:14:58 <sveinse> I.e. they have a kernel which works for 13.04 Ubuntu (that is how I read it)
Nov 20 22:15:30 <sveinse> But there are some ubuntuisms in the kernel, aren't there? Like ureadahead
Nov 20 22:30:02 <infinity> sveinse: The only interesting Ubuntuism is probably apparmor, but you can live without it.
Nov 20 22:31:34 <sveinse> infinity: but are there some overview or patchset of all the ubuntuisms? We have a product running on precise on omap3, but the kernel is fully custom so we have no ubntuisms in there. And ureadahead is sorely missed many times
Nov 20 22:42:14 <infinity> sveinse: Probably a better question for #ubuntu-kernel, but the short answer is "check git".
Nov 20 22:42:20 <infinity> sveinse: You may also find this informative: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/TrustyKernelDeltaReview
Nov 20 22:42:33 <sveinse> infinity: heh, thanks
Nov 20 22:57:01 <sveinse> Does canonical still use tegras for buildds?
Nov 20 23:34:18 <infinity> sveinse: Canonical never used tegras for buildds.
Nov 21 00:26:16 <sveinse> infinity: ah, sorry no tegras, I ment pandas. The ones dmtech built
Nov 21 00:30:57 <infinity> sveinse: Ahh.  No, we decomissioned the Pandas over the summer, and I installed a shiny 24-node Highbank chassis to replace them.
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