**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 08 02:59:59 2014
Jan 08 13:59:10 <sgo11> hi, I haven't installed ubuntu arm yet. I would like to know what packages and which versions are supported by current ubuntu arm release. can anyone tell me where I can check? what is the repo url? thanks.
Jan 08 14:04:26 <ogra_> the same packages that are on x86
Jan 08 14:04:44 <ogra_> the archive is at ports.ubuntu.com
Jan 08 14:10:38 <sgo11> ogra_, thanks. the latest arm release is 12.04. when you say the same packages to x86, do you mean the same packages(version) as 12.04 x86? or latest 13.10 x86? thanks.
Jan 08 14:11:00 <ogra_> the latest arm release is 13.10
Jan 08 14:11:44 <ogra_> arm is built in parallel since 9.04, since then you have the identical package versions to x86
Jan 08 14:12:33 <sgo11> ogra_, thanks. I come from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM. it shows 12.04 release. what is the official site for ubuntu arm? where to get 13.10? thanks a lot.
Jan 08 14:12:56 <ogra_> oh, dont trust the wiki ... it is always outdated :)
Jan 08 14:13:22 <sgo11> ogra_, thanks. but where to get the latest arm release? thanks.
Jan 08 14:13:23 <ogra_> there is no official site specific for arm anymore ... it is just another architecture
Jan 08 14:14:16 <sgo11> ogra_, ok. so how can I install 13.10 to my board? can you show me some guideline/tutorial? thanks.
Jan 08 14:14:24 <ogra_> which board is that ?
Jan 08 14:15:07 <sgo11> ogra_, cubieboard (cubieboard3 also named cubietruck)
Jan 08 14:15:10 <ogra_> installation images are very device specific since kernels and bootloaders vary massively on arm ... there are only images for a few devices/boards
Jan 08 14:15:56 <ogra_> ah, well, there is definitely no official cubieboard image, so google is your friend ... i'm sure there are some third party howtos to get ubuntu running on that device though
Jan 08 14:16:01 <sgo11> ogra_, yeah. I am a newbie to arm. I am very confused on how to install them.
Jan 08 14:17:21 <sgo11> ogra_, the official cubieboard team release ubuntu 12.04. I just want to get latest packages. maybe I should think switching to archlinux-arm even if I never use archlinux before. but archlinux-arm provides official release to cubieboard.
Jan 08 14:17:54 <sgo11> installation to arm world becomes very different. installation in archlinux becomes much easier than ubuntu.
Jan 08 14:17:59 <ogra_> just use theirt image then, you can always just upgrade to 13.10
Jan 08 14:18:06 <ogra_> huh ?
Jan 08 14:18:14 <ogra_> i highly doubt that
Jan 08 14:18:41 <ogra_> if there is an existing ubuntu image, just install it ... most likely you just need to dump the image onto an sd card and are good to go
Jan 08 14:19:28 <ogra_> arch means you will have to know how to build your own stuff from scratch etc ... it will definitely be a lot harder than using a binary distro like ubuntu debian or fedora
Jan 08 14:19:51 <sgo11> ogra_, archlinux-arm provides a specific image to my cubieboard. that's why I thought that might be easier. haven't tried it yet. I can use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in ubuntu arm to upgrade to 13.10? thanks.
Jan 08 14:19:55 <ogra_> unless you are already good at linux in general and in arch specifically
Jan 08 14:20:45 <ogra_> sgo11, http://cubieboard.org/download/
Jan 08 14:20:55 <ogra_> just grab the lubuntu image from there and be happy
Jan 08 14:21:10 <ogra_> (first hit on google btw)
Jan 08 14:21:56 <sgo11> ogra_, sorry about my bad memory. that is 12.10 instead of 12.04. but the team does not provide 13.10. how to uprgrade to 13.10 once I have 12.10? thanks.
Jan 08 14:22:21 <ogra_> sudo update-manager-core
Jan 08 14:22:30 <ogra_> that will upgrade you to the next ubuntu version
Jan 08 14:22:50 <sgo11> ogra_, cool. I will do that and stick with ubuntu. thanks a lot for your help.
Jan 08 14:22:57 <ogra_> err, sorry
Jan 08 14:23:04 <ogra_> update-manager-core is the package
Jan 08 14:23:23 <ogra_> it is sudo do-release-upgrade
Jan 08 14:23:33 <sgo11> ogra_, no problem. what is the command? if you can tell me, it will save my time to google. :) thanks.
Jan 08 14:23:49 <ogra_> sudo do-release-upgrade
Jan 08 14:24:17 <sgo11> ogra_, oh. it's always that command. never really use it in x86 world. I always did fresh install in x86. but arm is different. thanks a lot.
Jan 08 14:24:37 <ogra_> arm is the same :)
Jan 08 14:24:55 <ogra_> the only things that usually differ on arm are the bootloader and kernel which are board specific
Jan 08 14:24:55 <sgo11> ogra_, that's very cool. thank you very much! ^_^
Jan 08 14:27:33 <sgo11> ogra_, since you are here, may I ask another question related to kernel rebuilding? can I use the same new way (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel) to compile the kernel in arm? "fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic" thanks.
Jan 08 14:28:28 <ogra_> only if your kernel source has a package dir (which it is unlikely to have)
Jan 08 14:29:22 <ogra_> the guys in #ubuntu-kernel might be able to give you more hints, but generally if you have a non official board you just build the kernel without packaging and maintain it separately
Jan 08 14:30:17 <sgo11> ogra_, i have a driver which requires rebuild the kernel to work. that's why I asked this question in advance.
Jan 08 14:30:35 <ogra_> well, best to ask in a cubieboard forum tzhen
Jan 08 14:31:16 <sgo11> ogra_, sure. I will do that. thank you very much. ^_^
Jan 09 00:29:13 <twb> lilstevie: hey, I'm finally losing patience with my TF101 -- got any recommendations for good netbooks (or tablets w/docks) to run Ubuntu/Debian on?
Jan 09 00:32:03 <lilstevie> twb, at present? nope
Jan 09 00:32:31 <lilstevie> maybe an arm chromebook if you are still into arm
Jan 09 00:32:48 <twb> I'm actually a bit sick of arm's wackiness.
Jan 09 00:32:57 <twb> But most of all I want a real SSD
Jan 09 00:34:25 <twb> But the 10" x86 netbooks are all pretty sucky for battery life, so I figured I'd at least ask what was around in the ARM space
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