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Jan 16 03:24:07 <duoi> how usable is gnash?
Jan 16 03:40:36 <mrdavid> anyone here have experience installing ubuntu on a seagate goflex home?
Jan 16 10:02:07 <oliv3r> Hi; i'm playing around with a few things and want to do a debootstrap for an arm based board. is there a semi-official repository for thhis that has the main-arm(hf) package stuff?
Jan 16 10:25:25 <oliv3r> ah, ports.ubuntu.com
Jan 16 10:33:03 <oliv3r> yep that's what i was looking for; guess there's no mirrors for that, but that's ok; thanks all
Jan 16 13:41:02 <wookey> duoi: gnash is very useable but because it only implements older actionscript variant it only works on a limited number of flash files/sites
Jan 16 21:05:53 <mjrosenb> so... is it possible to get a non-armhf libc with debug symbols?
Jan 16 21:45:00 <infinity> mjrosenb: non-armhf, as in...?
Jan 16 21:46:41 <mjrosenb> softfp
Jan 16 21:47:53 <infinity> mjrosenb: libc6-armel-dbgsym from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/e/eglibc/
Jan 16 21:47:56 <mjrosenb> possibly called armel, I've had conflicting report about what exactly armel is.
Jan 16 21:48:41 <mjrosenb> so add that url to my sources.list, then apt-get install libc6-armel-dbgsym ?
Jan 16 21:50:31 <infinity> mjrosenb: echo "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com $(lsb_release -cs) main restricted universe multiverse" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get install libc6-armel-dbgsym
Jan 16 21:51:03 <infinity> Might also want: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 428D7C01
Jan 16 21:51:40 <infinity> (Don't forget to add lines for -updates/-security if you're running a stable release)
Jan 16 21:55:17 <mjrosenb> *nod*
Jan 16 21:55:17 <mjrosenb> thanks!
Jan 16 21:56:23 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555299/ :-/
Jan 16 21:58:50 <infinity> mjrosenb: Like I said, don't forget to add sources.list lines for -security and -updates.
Jan 16 21:59:12 <infinity> $(lsb_release -cs)-updates and $(lsb_release -cs)-security
Jan 16 22:00:09 <infinity> I guess that's precise-updates and precise-security in your case.
Jan 16 22:02:46 <mjrosenb> I added those two.  same error.
Jan 16 22:05:01 <infinity> Did you run apt-get update afterward?
Jan 16 22:10:05 <infinity> mjrosenb: FWIW, works fine here for me.
Jan 16 22:13:00 <mjrosenb> yeah, but apt-get update failed to pull in a couple of files.  I can't imagine they'd affect anything though.
Jan 16 22:13:23 <mjrosenb> oh, nevermind.  some of them look important
Jan 16 22:13:27 <mjrosenb> Err http://ddebs.ubuntu.com precise/precise-updates armel Packages 404  Not Found
Jan 16 22:14:44 <infinity> mjrosenb: Uhm, armel?
Jan 16 22:14:52 <infinity> mjrosenb: I thought you were running armhf.
Jan 16 22:15:19 <infinity> mjrosenb: If your base system is armel, then you don't need any of this libc6-armel business.  Just apt-get install libc6-dbg
Jan 16 22:15:34 <mjrosenb> I'm pretty sure this is an armhf system.
Jan 16 22:15:40 <infinity> (And why, oh god why, are you running armel?)
Jan 16 22:15:54 <infinity> mjrosenb: If it's an armhf system, apt wouldn't be looking for armel sources...
Jan 16 22:15:58 <infinity> Unless you're running multiarch.
Jan 16 22:16:04 <infinity> Which I guess you might be.
Jan 16 22:16:35 <mjrosenb> I set this system up a year and a half ago, I honestly don't remember anymore :-(
Jan 16 22:16:47 <infinity> dpkg --print-architecture
Jan 16 22:18:06 <mjrosenb> waiting for apt-get to complete...
Jan 16 22:18:41 <mjrosenb>  dpkg --print-architecture
Jan 16 22:18:41 <mjrosenb> armhf
Jan 16 22:18:51 <mjrosenb> ok, it *is* an armhf system
Jan 16 22:18:59 <mjrosenb> pretty sure I tried to set up multiarch on here.
Jan 16 22:19:14 <infinity> Okay, then apt is looking for armel bits because you set up multiarch.
Jan 16 22:19:28 <mjrosenb> and I have an el libc6, just not debug symbols
Jan 16 22:19:36 <mjrosenb> which valgrind *really* wants.
Jan 16 22:19:53 <infinity> You have libc6:armel, or libc6-armel:armhf?
Jan 16 22:20:01 <infinity> dpkg -l libc6\* | grep ^i
Jan 16 22:21:36 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555316/
Jan 16 22:22:34 <infinity> Oh, those cross ones are useless to you.
Jan 16 22:23:09 <infinity> So, just "apt-get install libc6-armel-dbgsym" as we were attempting before.  Assuming apt's grumpiness about your broken multiarch setup doesn't annoy it.
Jan 16 22:25:22 <mjrosenb> what's the difference between -dbg and -dbgsym?
Jan 16 22:26:48 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555317/ -- so it says I have held broken packages, I'm guessing 'held' is different from 'pinned', since I'm pretty sure I've never pinned a package on this system.
Jan 16 22:29:35 <infinity> mjrosenb: That means that it's *not* getting ddebs for precise-updates.
Jan 16 22:29:39 <infinity> What's your sources.list?
Jan 16 22:32:29 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555332/
Jan 16 22:32:46 <mjrosenb> oh right, so like I said, there were some 404's when running apt-get update
Jan 16 22:33:20 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555337/ I initially thought they were all armhf.
Jan 16 22:34:52 <infinity> mjrosenb: I only see a single line there for precise-security.  Nothing for precise or precise-updates.
Jan 16 22:35:28 <infinity> OH!  No, you've added it all on one line.  You can't do that.
Jan 16 22:36:30 <infinity> mjrosenb: That last line should be three lines, like so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764567/
Jan 16 22:38:12 <mjrosenb> c.c whoops.
Jan 16 22:38:45 <mjrosenb> I want to say that I'm new to debian/ubuntu
Jan 16 22:38:52 <mjrosenb> but that would be a lie.
Jan 16 22:39:43 <mjrosenb> need to pick someone up
Jan 16 22:39:45 <infinity> mjrosenb: I usually use excuses like "I haven't slept much lately" or "I'm scatterbrained and overworked" or "I'm testing a new strain of superheroine".
Jan 16 22:39:50 <mjrosenb> i'll report on it later.
Jan 16 22:40:08 <infinity> superheroin, even.
Jan 16 23:28:10 <lilstevie> infinity, heh I tend to go for "I'm tired"
Jan 16 23:56:53 <mjrosenb> lilstevie: the thing was, it was 1740, and I'd woken up at 1400, after sleeping for 14 hours
Jan 16 23:57:05 <lilstevie> mjrosenb, heh
Jan 16 23:57:20 <lilstevie> you aren't meant to admit that
Jan 16 23:57:23 <mjrosenb> I guess, 'I got a reasonable amount of sleep too recently' is as good an excuse as any.
Jan 16 23:58:31 <mjrosenb> http://dpaste.com/1555453/
Jan 16 23:58:38 <mjrosenb> well, that's a different error...
Jan 16 23:58:54 <mjrosenb> oh, I guess I need to go nuke my multilib glibc?
Jan 17 00:00:28 <mjrosenb> any operation that matches '^apt-get remove.*libc' is probably a bad idea.
Jan 17 00:01:35 <mjrosenb> uh-oh
Jan 17 00:02:18 <mjrosenb> so installing libc6-armel-dbgsym failed because libc6:armel was already on the system
Jan 17 00:02:37 <mjrosenb> but now apt is kind of stuck because it won't uninstall libc6:armel since another operation is pending
Jan 17 00:03:45 <infinity> mjrosenb: Oh, didn't realise you had libc6:armel installed.  Whee.
Jan 17 00:04:08 <infinity> mjrosenb: You should be able to just "dpkg -P libc6:armel" unless other things depend on it.
Jan 17 00:04:23 <mjrosenb> infinity: yeah, armel programs ran just fine, but I couldn't debug them without the debug symbols.
Jan 17 00:04:50 <mjrosenb> infinity: a few things do, I'll nuke them with apt after libc6-armel-dbgsym is installed
Jan 17 00:04:56 <infinity> While I normally recommend multiarch as the way and the light, it doesn't make much sense for armhf/armel, since we dropped armel more recently.
Jan 17 00:05:13 <mjrosenb> infinity: I'm assuming this repo also has a libstdc++-armel-debugsym as well?
Jan 17 00:05:47 <mjrosenb> infinity: incredibly annoying is the fact that on arch linux, an armel binary will load just fine
Jan 17 00:06:04 <mjrosenb> and run great, unless you happen to be making library calls involving floats.
Jan 17 00:06:15 <infinity> Well, I assume arch isn't armhg.
Jan 17 00:06:17 <infinity> armhf*
Jan 17 00:06:27 <mjrosenb> infinity: it is only armhf.
Jan 17 00:06:43 <infinity> Then I call bullshit on armel binaries running.
Jan 17 00:06:49 <infinity> Unless they install a full multilib setup.
Jan 17 00:06:54 <mjrosenb> anyhow.  dpkg failed because things depend on libc, I'm assuming I can just add those to the command line?
Jan 17 00:06:55 <infinity> Which isn't "only armhf".
Jan 17 00:07:40 <infinity> Or, you could not install libc6-armel, if you had things depending on libc6:armel
Jan 17 00:08:44 <infinity> And instead install libc6-dbgsym:armel
Jan 17 00:08:47 * infinity shrugs.
Jan 17 00:09:20 <duoi> wookey, is it hardware accelerated?
Jan 17 00:13:47 <wookey> infinity: 'testing a new strain of superheroine' sounds entertaining
Jan 17 00:14:05 <infinity> wookey: With or without the spelling error?
Jan 17 00:14:27 <wookey> well, either I guess but with is more wholesome
Jan 17 00:14:43 <infinity> That depends on the testing...
Jan 17 00:15:41 <wookey> we'd better stop this before someone points out that our project is full of casual sexism and bans us :-/
Jan 17 00:16:24 <infinity> wookey: I blame you.  I was all about the hard drugs before you came along.
Jan 17 00:17:30 <wookey> I've been to the pub. I blame drugs too
Jan 17 00:17:54 <wookey> And now I need to write my talk for paris debconf
Jan 17 00:18:34 <infinity> In French?
Jan 17 00:26:11 <wookey> no
Jan 17 00:52:23 <mjrosenb> libhfstdc++6-4.6-dbg-armel-cross
Jan 17 00:52:24 <mjrosenb> what.
Jan 17 02:38:45 <mjrosenb> infinity: is there a similar package for libstdc++, since I had to remove libstdc++ when I pulled out the old libc :-/
Jan 17 02:39:28 <infinity> mjrosenb: Erm, no.  Like I said up there, if you have a bunch of stuff depending on that libc, maybe removing it isn't the sanest option.,
Jan 17 02:39:40 <infinity> mjrosenb: Though, really, why do you have so many armel binaries you care about?
Jan 17 02:40:24 <mjrosenb> I have one.
Jan 17 02:41:26 <mjrosenb> I'm debugging our javascript shell, and it is supposed to run on android, so in order to avoid the pain of debugging on android, I'm getting a linux enviroment as close as I can to android
Jan 17 02:41:30 <mjrosenb> which is armel.
Jan 17 02:41:50 <infinity> Might I suggest an armel chroot would be much less painful?
Jan 17 02:41:59 <infinity> And perhaps a distro that still supports armel, like Debian.
Jan 17 02:42:32 <infinity> debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=buildd sid my-sid-armel-chroot
Jan 17 02:42:45 <mjrosenb> maybe I should just investigate installing debian fulltime on my boards :-/
Jan 17 02:43:52 <mjrosenb> I installed ubuntu on here *shortly* before ubuntu made the switch to armhf.
Jan 17 02:44:43 <mjrosenb> https://wiki.debian.org/PandaBoard
Jan 17 02:44:44 <mjrosenb> hahah
Jan 17 02:44:51 <mjrosenb> Install instructions
Jan 17 02:44:53 <mjrosenb> missing
Jan 17 02:45:06 <infinity> Yeah, you're better off running an Ubuntu base on a Pandaboard.
Jan 17 02:45:33 <infinity> But chroots are how I do all my development, using the base system to muck around in is usually asking for trouble anyway.
Jan 17 02:45:47 <infinity> So, a Debian armel chroot on an Ubuntu armhf base is perfectly reasonable.
Jan 17 02:46:15 <mjrosenb> yeah. I did this on a tegra already
Jan 17 02:46:25 <mjrosenb> but that machine is just a *royal* pain to work with.
Jan 17 02:47:14 <mjrosenb> if I can set up sshd to run inside the chroot, I *probably* don't care
Jan 17 02:47:45 <mjrosenb> although, I think the thing that I like the least about it is the set of things that randomly don't work in the chroot
Jan 17 02:47:59 <mjrosenb> iirc, oprofile works outside of the chroot, not inside of it.
Jan 17 02:48:18 * mjrosenb tries a chroot on the pandaboard
Jan 17 02:49:14 <infinity> There shouldn't be much of anything that doesn't work in the chroot, unless you miss mounting some filesystems.
Jan 17 02:49:27 <infinity> (you'll want devpts, dev, sysfs, and proc)
Jan 17 02:49:34 <mjrosenb> infinity: things that modprobe kernel modules are finnicky.
Jan 17 02:49:46 <mjrosenb> since the host and target don't share the same kernel usually.
Jan 17 02:49:54 <infinity> mjrosenb: Not if you install the same kernel deb in the chroot. ;)
Jan 17 02:50:09 <infinity> mjrosenb: Or bindmount /lib/modules/$version into the chroot.
Jan 17 02:50:46 <mjrosenb> yeah, I think one problem was it was a custom ubuntu from nvidia, and they had some packages that debian just did not know about.
Jan 17 02:52:20 <mjrosenb> The program 'debootstrap' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
Jan 17 02:52:24 <mjrosenb> :-o
Jan 17 02:52:43 <mjrosenb> I can't remember the last time I had to install debootstrap
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