**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 02:59:56 2009 Jun 12 03:00:16 255 71 17 for class/subclass/protocol Jun 12 03:00:23 zinge, enter at 3 on his instructions, can skip creating user if you have one. Jun 12 03:00:36 I mean to say you should be able to find novacom endpoints no matter which altsetting if dev mode is enabled Jun 12 03:00:51 ok Jun 12 03:00:55 zinge, you'll need to leave / rw Jun 12 03:00:57 your code shouldn't have a fixed interface number Jun 12 03:01:01 yeha, i know Jun 12 03:01:05 yeah, i've never done any usb programming before ... Jun 12 03:01:13 PRODUCT_VERSION_STRING=Palm webOS 1.0.2 BUILDNAME=Nova-Sprint-Castle BUILDNUMBER=118 BUILDSET=base BUILDTIME=20090522140049 Jun 12 03:01:22 should have known... 1.0.2 was right there. Jun 12 03:01:25 i don't know how to iterate through and ask for a specific class/subclass/protocol Jun 12 03:01:30 lol all I know is that on the iPhone the number is constant Jun 12 03:01:37 I'm not a usb programmer either Jun 12 03:01:49 look at the libusb info docs if that's what your using Jun 12 03:01:56 it is indeed Jun 12 03:03:25 done Jun 12 03:03:35 ssh'd in over wifi via putty, no problems Jun 12 03:03:58 does turning off developer mode disable novaproxy? Jun 12 03:03:59 cool, thank you much...new instructions up with merged dropbear via upstart. Jun 12 03:04:03 refresh Jun 12 03:04:13 getting close to scriptable. Jun 12 03:04:52 altinterface should be zero Jun 12 03:04:52 on dkelson's dropbear page, we should add the iptables line that lets you close off ssh via evdo as optional, no? Jun 12 03:05:23 is the whole ipk needed? Jun 12 03:05:24 rwhitby, there we go...converted from ipkg to ipkg-opt + loop, well done zinge. Jun 12 03:05:44 probably should Jun 12 03:05:46 brb, going to do some dishes and clear my mind before jumping into this usb shenanigans Jun 12 03:06:09 bbl (lunch) Jun 12 03:06:10 cyanidepoison: have you looked at the protocol? Jun 12 03:06:19 also, on the loopback instructions, should probably take out the shell prompt at the beginning of each line Jun 12 03:06:30 might be confusing since the rest of that instruction set doesn't have it Jun 12 03:06:32 yeah, agreed...people are going to copy/paste. Jun 12 03:06:42 all I'm doing is going into the libusb docs and checking what information from lsusb is needed in those function calls Jun 12 03:06:51 so no? Jun 12 03:07:01 ok Jun 12 03:07:12 the example in there is ok Jun 12 03:07:37 for enum, the docs themselves don't help unless you know the spec Jun 12 03:08:01 well I just want to open the device file and not have it crash Jun 12 03:08:02 and everything is split up into pages by concepts so you jump around a lot Jun 12 03:08:03 done Jun 12 03:08:33 dreadchicken: for step 13, can we use the sudo setup that was posted in the precentral thread? Jun 12 03:08:44 hello Jun 12 03:09:31 Also, possibly comment out the system responses in 4a, in case people are copy/pasting, like you said Jun 12 03:10:20 rwhitby, i don't know what it is...linky? Jun 12 03:10:26 cyanidepoison: i'm reading through the api too .. Jun 12 03:10:30 we'll get this working .. don't worry Jun 12 03:10:38 any success in getting read/write access through winscp, or a similar program in linux? Jun 12 03:10:51 zinge: just get rid of them, i just put them in to expect what kind of a response Jun 12 03:11:07 dmr: install openssh-sft-server Jun 12 03:11:11 dmr: install openssh-sftp-server Jun 12 03:11:22 disk-image is not a block special device. Proceed anyway? (y,n) should be kept in there at least Jun 12 03:11:34 just commented so if people copy/paste they don't get weird errors Jun 12 03:11:51 yes, -f should work maybe Jun 12 03:11:57 has anyone had any luck running WebOS in qemu? Jun 12 03:12:07 yes, also it wouldn't be disk-image if you guys are making a differently named image file Jun 12 03:12:22 some people have tried to get the kernel booting Jun 12 03:12:30 bpadalino: I'm not a reverse-engineer by any means. my involvement with iRecovery was writing a scripting interface on top of it so that it was easier to preform lots of complex commands on the iPhone with it. Like, say you had to dump your exploit payload to 0x9000000 and then jump to it, and then do some other stuff. It was tedious to type out by hand Jun 12 03:12:35 right, forgot about that Jun 12 03:12:47 and that didn't even get merged into the mainline :( Jun 12 03:13:10 tmzt: were theay successful? Jun 12 03:13:19 not sure Jun 12 03:13:23 hmm Jun 12 03:13:32 b-man16: check the chat logs Jun 12 03:13:35 grrr, can't remember my wikidot passwd. time to sift through email Jun 12 03:13:35 the hardware isn't the same as beagle Jun 12 03:14:46 nevermind, i guess dreadchicken got it Jun 12 03:14:52 i was able to get a verry basic system running on my Nokia N800 :) Jun 12 03:14:57 i have openssh-sftp-server installed, and have hostname/port/user/pass set correctly, using sftp in winscp Jun 12 03:14:58 using chroot Jun 12 03:15:11 the ui? Jun 12 03:15:16 nope Jun 12 03:15:17 not sure how to get winscp to recognize openssh-sftp-server though Jun 12 03:15:18 cyanidepoison: understandable Jun 12 03:15:19 unfortunately Jun 12 03:15:22 you've been a good help so far Jun 12 03:15:37 since the N800 is OMAP2 Jun 12 03:15:42 not 3 Jun 12 03:16:04 so i am stuck with read only access in winscp Jun 12 03:16:16 zinge: how big are you guys trying to make the image file? the count you put in makes it around 31 megs Jun 12 03:16:36 dreadchicken was updating the wiki, I was following along on instructions Jun 12 03:16:43 dd defaults the block size as 512 bytes Jun 12 03:18:16 What size should it be? Anything up to about 50 megs probably won't bother anything out of 7-ish gigs... Jun 12 03:18:41 anyone* Jun 12 03:19:30 i was wondering if that's what you guys were aiming for Jun 12 03:19:57 Like I said, no clue. You'd have to as dreadchicken. Jun 12 03:20:15 I was just playing lab rat. Jun 12 03:20:22 ah Jun 12 03:20:25 ShinAli, 32MB or so, increased from 20MB because dropbear done via ipkg-opt takes 8MB. Jun 12 03:20:42 sftp-server is in opt/libexec/, anyone know how to set up winscp to recognize it? Jun 12 03:20:44 gives breathing room without being to large. Jun 12 03:21:01 updated for sudo Jun 12 03:21:01 dreadchicken: alright, i just wanted to make sure Jun 12 03:22:49 is there anything i have to do to get thttpd to work? Jun 12 03:23:33 start it and open 8080 Jun 12 03:23:37 * Sargun ponders writing a podfeeder Jun 12 03:24:14 i don't really know how to configure it though Jun 12 03:24:24 vi /opt/etc/thttpd.conf Jun 12 03:24:41 anything need changing? Jun 12 03:25:02 i don't know, does it? Jun 12 03:26:01 was just wondering if the defaults would work... then i'll change to what i want Jun 12 03:26:59 knowing nothing about how applications interface with the os; is it possible to make an application run a program such as aplay? Jun 12 03:27:20 I usually start with command line options with thttpd Jun 12 03:27:35 you can always switch to a config file later Jun 12 03:27:39 Or do I have to use a javascript/sprint call to play a sound? Jun 12 03:28:12 probably easier if you mean from javascript Jun 12 03:29:32 so, I got openssh-sftp-server installed from the directions in the thread, but how do I start it? Jun 12 03:29:48 * nebula -> bed Jun 12 03:29:55 ttyl Jun 12 03:30:04 Ke: you don't Jun 12 03:30:11 Kaerey: you don't Jun 12 03:30:26 sshd (dropbear) starts it Jun 12 03:30:26 really.. when I try and log in, it says it isn't running Jun 12 03:30:50 you might need to symlink it to /usr/lib Jun 12 03:30:53 it probably needs to be in the path, so a symlink is probably in order. Jun 12 03:30:58 heh Jun 12 03:31:02 Basically, I can use aplay and arecord now to shell script a sort of voice memo app. But it would probably make more sense to find the javascript/webos calls to do it if I wanted to make it into a gui app? Jun 12 03:31:07 can you run ssh with -v Jun 12 03:31:16 dreadchicken: not the same thing Jun 12 03:31:45 dreadchicken: it's not started from the path, the location is in dropbear or the config file Jun 12 03:32:02 oh ic, didn't know Jun 12 03:32:24 so if I followed the post directly then it should be working? Jun 12 03:32:33 Kaerey: you need either pscp from the putty website Jun 12 03:32:43 wait, sorry Jun 12 03:32:47 btw, /opt/bin/dbclient has to be symlinked into /usr/bin/scp to work. /usr/local/bin doesn't work. Jun 12 03:32:53 what program are you using? Jun 12 03:33:03 I'm using PuTTY and winSCP Jun 12 03:33:18 does winscp have a verbose mode? Jun 12 03:33:25 i think i'm in the same position as kaerey Jun 12 03:33:38 zinge, thanks again for all the help. good stuff there. Jun 12 03:34:04 np, glad everything works now so other people can try it Jun 12 03:34:29 do have any ideas as far as my voice memo app things goes? Jun 12 03:35:06 I can fake it now on command line with aplay and arecord, but should I go look up the javascript/webos calls to do it instead if I wanted to write a voice memo gui app? Jun 12 03:35:37 or is there an easy way to make command line calls from the gui apps? Jun 12 03:36:08 i suspect you'll be best served by the sdk...i do not know. Jun 12 03:36:14 ... I guess if there was, we'd have a gui shell by now; never mind Jun 12 03:36:17 ok, thanks Jun 12 03:36:32 I'm out for the night; I may be back on later. Cya. Jun 12 03:36:32 some of the guys here are already doing some mojo apps, but i haven't been following it. Jun 12 03:36:37 later Jun 12 03:37:23 Kaerey: errors/messages when you try to connect Jun 12 03:39:33 for anyone interested, i modified the clock app & added a snooze option when creating an alarm, diff files on the forum Jun 12 03:42:09 yeah it's asking if the server is running Jun 12 03:42:35 Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server? Jun 12 03:43:37 is there a way to check the installation Jun 12 03:45:38 NVM I got it! Jun 12 03:45:45 read access trying write now Jun 12 03:48:28 hmm. no I can't write, but I can copy Jun 12 03:48:52 The alarm app does snooze already Jun 12 03:49:20 anybody know the status on tethering? Jun 12 03:51:08 only 5 minutes...i meant i extended it Jun 12 03:51:16 ah Jun 12 03:51:54 yeah...so you can select how long you want to sleep in...hitting that damn button every 5 minutes is too much Jun 12 03:52:07 jrod1027: if you need it to snooze more than 5 minutes you need to retink the scheduled time ;) Jun 12 03:52:25 s/retink/rethink/ Jun 12 03:52:35 yesterday morning my alarm didn't fire, I went to bed before midnight and there was a all day set for the following day with alarm, it blocked the alarm clock...that can't be right. Jun 12 03:52:37 i like my sleep Jun 12 03:52:59 is it legal for me to make a mirror of webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar on my server? Jun 12 03:53:15 doubtful Jun 12 03:53:16 you can't redistribute it Jun 12 03:53:33 sure, private mirror Jun 12 03:53:41 for anyone that's been taking a look at the mojo framework, did any of you find out where the real PalmServiceBridge would be located at? Jun 12 03:53:43 hmm, ok :( Jun 12 03:53:47 if you're mirroring for anyone else, no Jun 12 03:55:39 what licence does webos use? Jun 12 03:55:56 as far as I know, there is no license Jun 12 03:56:01 lol Jun 12 03:56:06 i'm on the channel tethered through a pre Jun 12 03:56:09 lots of it is GPL Jun 12 03:56:10 or rather, it hasn't bee publicly released, code-wise Jun 12 03:56:15 congrats paul Jun 12 03:56:21 paul__: nice Jun 12 03:56:26 lots of the sub-system is GPL Jun 12 03:56:35 how so paul? Jun 12 03:56:36 the nova portion isn't available Jun 12 03:56:44 the trick is something, and i don't know what, keeps setting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 0 Jun 12 03:56:51 so i am running: Jun 12 03:56:52 root@castle:/proc/sys/net/ipv4# while true; do Jun 12 03:56:52 > echo 1 > ip_forward Jun 12 03:56:52 > sleep 1 Jun 12 03:56:52 > done Jun 12 03:56:54 is luna-webkit open? Jun 12 03:56:55 on an ssh session Jun 12 03:56:56 anyone got a rooting solution for a linux desktop yet or do I need to install windows on this alternate laptop I have? Jun 12 03:56:56 oh i raed about that Jun 12 03:57:03 it keeps forcing it back Jun 12 03:57:09 brikus, i am working on it ... Jun 12 03:57:11 so far i have .. Jun 12 03:57:37 maybe it's easier installing windows on a virtual machine brikus Jun 12 03:57:38 anyway, can't edit the wiki, don't have much more time to play tonight, but I wanted to get that out there Jun 12 03:57:54 ah, guys, I'm not sure what policy on discussion of tethering is, but I'm gonna say let's not discuss how to do it here Jun 12 03:57:54 http://pastie.textmate.org/509298 - precomd.c for linux Jun 12 03:58:17 np Jun 12 03:58:21 "carrier agreements" and all that Jun 12 03:58:27 cool Jun 12 03:58:30 i guess i answered my own question, seems like the luna webkit library creates the PalmServiceBridge object Jun 12 03:58:31 understood Jun 12 03:58:33 anyway, good work guys Jun 12 03:58:35 orim181: does the USB system work correctly in a VM? eg VIrturalBox? Jun 12 03:58:39 see ya Jun 12 03:58:43 brikus, it does Jun 12 03:58:57 i am doing this linux stuff in a VM on my os x machine Jun 12 03:59:03 and it can see the interface fine Jun 12 03:59:27 ^^^ there u go Jun 12 04:00:01 so far the simple program iterates through the USB devices .. i should make sure they're palm devices first Jun 12 04:00:08 I've done virtualization on servers but not much on my desktop Jun 12 04:01:06 what approach r u gonna take brikus Jun 12 04:02:26 looking into setting up VirtualBox right now. I can do some testing with the C solution too if that would be helpful Jun 12 04:06:07 vbox has very good usb support. Jun 12 04:06:28 What are we debating? Whether novacomd works in a vm? Jun 12 04:06:53 chrisa: thats what it sounds like :/ Jun 12 04:07:01 not really a debate, but if you can settle the matter... Jun 12 04:07:20 It should be fine so long as usb is working Jun 12 04:07:55 the only windows CD I have here at home is OEM so I will probably have to do it tommorrow at work with one of their copies Jun 12 04:08:11 chrisa: are you a palm employee? Jun 12 04:08:16 he is. Jun 12 04:08:52 ok, I would just like to say thanks for not writing such a hideous way of interacting with USB devices like MobileDevice is on the iPhone Jun 12 04:09:18 i.e. doesn't work in a VM Jun 12 04:10:59 wheres the nes emulator? :P Jun 12 04:11:50 does nes emulator run on fb? Sargun got there earlier iirc. Jun 12 04:12:04 idk, what NES emulators are there Jun 12 04:21:57 any reason why I wouldn't be able to gain access to pre on a laptop thats connected to wifi, but can with my desktop connected via lan? Jun 12 04:22:35 novacom has been installed on the laptop Jun 12 04:27:09 Why is this happening? Jun 12 04:27:13 root@castle:/# nano /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/global Jun 12 04:27:13 -search-assistant.js Jun 12 04:27:57 cant scroll down Jun 12 04:28:12 bin/sh: nano: not found Jun 12 04:28:33 wow, just opening a few apps and reviewing top, they really didn't give this device much ram :( Jun 12 04:28:33 I could be wrong, but I don't think nano ships with the device Jun 12 04:28:48 as far as I know, it does not Jun 12 04:28:48 psykoz: SysMgr is deceptive Jun 12 04:28:50 no nano Jun 12 04:29:01 what do I edit it with Jun 12 04:29:07 vi Jun 12 04:30:08 chrisa, how so? Jun 12 04:31:13 chrisa, it doesn't. please bundle nano with the device Jun 12 04:31:20 ... why? Jun 12 04:31:37 in VI, it is readonly Jun 12 04:31:51 the fs is ro Jun 12 04:32:05 vi, like the gods intended. Jun 12 04:32:19 what? lol Jun 12 04:32:30 the filesystem is readonly Jun 12 04:32:36 i'm not even sure how you'd use nano on the pre.... has someone come up with an onscreen keyboard with a control key? Jun 12 04:32:37 you have to remount it Jun 12 04:32:42 But....nano! Jun 12 04:32:51 oh, duh, over ssh, sorry, it's late Jun 12 04:33:14 nano would be a bitch without arrow keys Jun 12 04:33:16 vi 4 life Jun 12 04:33:28 ty remounted it Jun 12 04:33:30 anyone can tell me which file is a kernel boot image? Jun 12 04:33:37 vi is in busybox, nano or emacs is not. If you want nano or emacs, just ipkg install them Jun 12 04:33:43 trying to run from qemu Jun 12 04:33:44 looks like vpn is already in some of the code Jun 12 04:34:07 on the iPhone our GUI terminal uses a downward-left swipe for the control key Jun 12 04:34:25 wow. Pidgin froze irc input. Jun 12 04:34:48 is there an sftp server in ipkg? Jun 12 04:35:06 Tydog: dropbear has scp Jun 12 04:35:14 i have toyed with installing openvpn on my pre. Jun 12 04:35:41 dreadchicken: do we have the tun module onboard? Jun 12 04:35:43 if dropbear is running should I be able to connect WinSCP to the pre? Jun 12 04:35:47 or the bridge modules? Jun 12 04:36:02 i do not know Jun 12 04:36:07 Tydog: should be able to, yes Jun 12 04:36:13 thx Jun 12 04:36:14 damn it would be nice to use openvpn to forward ppp0 over a tap Jun 12 04:36:19 * rwhitby points to openssh instead of dropbear ... Jun 12 04:36:21 I guess... Jun 12 04:36:39 rwhitby: oh, didn't realize openssh was available Jun 12 04:36:42 or just run tcpdump on the pre Jun 12 04:37:32 summatusmentis: it's only an ipkg-opt install away ... Jun 12 04:37:56 what is the best way you guys have found to transfer files back and forth? Jun 12 04:38:05 it's hard to keep up without a device :) Jun 12 04:38:11 lol Jun 12 04:38:16 i use scp personally. Jun 12 04:38:21 summatusmentis: tell me about it :-) Jun 12 04:38:33 Tydog: yeah, scp Jun 12 04:38:41 (WinSCP for windows folk) Jun 12 04:38:41 rwhitby: hah, I forgot you didn't have one also Jun 12 04:38:47 hmm gotchya Jun 12 04:39:09 Im trying to use WinSCP but its giving me an error Jun 12 04:39:14 scp isn't installed on pre Jun 12 04:39:16 both dropbear and openssh can do it on the pre. openssh out of the box, dropbear needs a symlink at the moment I think (dunno why that is, and I'll get it fixed at the source) Jun 12 04:39:42 Tydog: can you pastebin "ipkg-opt files dropbear" for me? Jun 12 04:39:45 cool, is the location of the symlink on the wiki anywhere? Jun 12 04:40:03 I think that perhaps the symlink is missing cause a postinst isn't being run Jun 12 04:40:45 rwhitby, i had to make the symlink to /usr/bin/scp...no idea why, i don't know the package. /usr/local/bin did not work. Jun 12 04:40:56 i've installed ipkg Jun 12 04:41:00 no go on your command Jun 12 04:41:06 ipkg-opt Jun 12 04:41:16 Tydog: did you install ipkg-opt? Jun 12 04:41:18 i literally just got this going so i'm way behind Jun 12 04:41:25 /opt/bin/ipkg-opt Jun 12 04:41:42 there's a process for ipkg-opt I believe Jun 12 04:41:43 installing Jun 12 04:42:42 hmm - the symlinks for ssh and scp are commented out of the optware dropbear makefile Jun 12 04:42:57 rwhitby, please review the WARNING section in ipkg setup on the wiki...i think it's the basis of our setup and zinge did a great job of going through it for me. Jun 12 04:43:00 anyone else been playing with qemu-omap to try to get a bootable webos ? Jun 12 04:43:06 ip ipkg-opt files dropbear Jun 12 04:43:06 Successfully terminated. Jun 12 04:43:06 Collected errors: Jun 12 04:43:06 Package dropbear not installed. Jun 12 04:43:15 ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/ssh Jun 12 04:43:17 ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/scp Jun 12 04:43:35 ssrjazz: I don't think anyone's got it booting Jun 12 04:43:56 rwhitby: from what directory ? Jun 12 04:44:03 dreadchicken: I'd like to see that split up into a "start from scratch" recipe and a "get things back to scratch first" recipe, in that order Jun 12 04:44:07 Tydog: doesn't matter Jun 12 04:44:40 Tydog: got a wiki account? Jun 12 04:44:42 been playing with qemu all night I -think- I have a rootfs image that could be usable at some point...can't quite figure out how to get qemu-omap to boot the castle kernel and use it yet tho Jun 12 04:45:07 rwhitby: nope want me to make one? Jun 12 04:45:17 i'm out, bedtime for me and travel day tomorrow so someone else will likely need to update it. dkelson did a good job if he shows up. Jun 12 04:45:18 Tydog: if you'd like to help, yes please. Jun 12 04:46:55 hi all Jun 12 04:47:00 Tydog: http://predev.wikidot.com/system:join and use the pw I /msg'd you Jun 12 04:47:06 great Jun 12 04:47:10 scoutcamper:hi Jun 12 04:47:13 how to i root my pre from ubuntu Jun 12 04:47:13 just creatd account using pw now Jun 12 04:47:40 Tydog: ah, use your own pw for creating account, that pw is for joining your account to predev wiki Jun 12 04:47:47 yea Jun 12 04:47:52 great, now what would you like me to post? Jun 12 04:48:20 Tydog: follow the section under WARNING on http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 12 04:48:36 and I'll get you to edit it as we go Jun 12 04:49:25 * Sargun needs to do real work Jun 12 04:49:31 scoutcamper: look for novaproxy - I don't know the instructions myself Jun 12 04:49:33 I'll add instructions about getting debian on there. Jun 12 04:49:41 ok, thanks Jun 12 04:49:49 and angstrom later Jun 12 04:49:58 * Sargun needs to make an angstrom image Jun 12 04:51:17 scoutcamper: see the code repositories section on the wiki Jun 12 04:51:28 nova proxy is in the github one Jun 12 04:51:49 if we don't have a wiki page on it, contributing one would be appreciated Jun 12 04:52:42 Tydog, all that i can thing that you'll fail on is the mv /etc/ipkg.conf /opt/etc/ipkg.conf cause it doesn't exist if you are fresh. you can grab the content of that file from the above section. Jun 12 04:55:15 anyone able to get the instructions in the forum for sftp to work? I can login, and copy but I can't write to the device. Jun 12 04:55:42 Kaerey: did you do the loopback mount method? Jun 12 04:55:42 ro? Jun 12 04:56:06 I followed what was on the message board Jun 12 04:56:10 for this tutorial - http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons, where should i mv the reddit image to in terminal Jun 12 04:56:30 Kaerey: they're likely to be out of date then Jun 12 04:59:38 I followed the directions in http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/184378-ok-rom-comes-29.html#post1667167 Jun 12 05:00:34 Kaerey: easiest is to: Jun 12 05:00:40 ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/scp Jun 12 05:00:48 anyone play with ifconfig/iwconfig for creating adhoc network? Jun 12 05:01:02 Kaerey: then winscp will use scp instead of sftp Jun 12 05:01:15 Ok I'll try Jun 12 05:01:15 we'll be modifying the dropbear package to put that symlink in by default Jun 12 05:02:31 bbiab Jun 12 05:03:51 ... Jun 12 05:03:58 i cant find nova proxy Jun 12 05:05:02 psykoz: http://ur1.ca/5joa (also if you are on identi.ca -> http://identi.ca/group/pre ) Jun 12 05:05:22 i found a url to download palm apps Jun 12 05:05:39 i just got the classic ipk Jun 12 05:06:27 i'm hoping to find out if classic is a special case for webos, but it probably is Jun 12 05:06:27 djbclark, thanks ;) Jun 12 05:06:59 ShinAli: link? Jun 12 05:07:16 getting back to scratch for reals Jun 12 05:07:20 i dunno the legality of providing the link Jun 12 05:07:20 rwitby: now i get "Cannot execute SCP to start transfer. Please make sure that SCP is installed on the server and path to it is included in PATH. You may also try SFTP instead of SCP. Jun 12 05:07:20 Command failed with return code 127." when I try and write Jun 12 05:07:33 Hello. I know the Pre is knew but was wondering if there is a way to output the EVDO connection from my Pre via the WiFi antenna (I would settle for bluetooth - although it is not ideal) to share with my Macbook Pro or iPod touch. Any help? Jun 12 05:07:46 its always easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission Jun 12 05:07:56 * chrisa facepalms Jun 12 05:08:06 wut Jun 12 05:08:49 OutAndAbout, not so much Jun 12 05:09:11 OutAndAbout, uhm. no Jun 12 05:09:19 chrisa, We're sorry. Jun 12 05:09:26 Sargun: Does there seem to be hope for this in the future? Jun 12 05:09:44 Sargun: it was more of a general irc thing Jun 12 05:09:46 we'd prefer not to touch on that subject right now Jun 12 05:10:03 Sargun: Was that last comment to me? Jun 12 05:11:17 OutAndAbout: we're still sorta on the fence re: tethering, but I think we're leaning towards "don't discuss something that breaks carrier contracts here" Jun 12 05:11:47 How do I move a file thats on my desktop (mac) to my pre, mv pic.png "opt/nova/bin/novaterm" ? Jun 12 05:11:55 so can we not run java on the phone? Jun 12 05:11:55 summatusmentis: I was unaware that tethering was not part of Simply Everything® Jun 12 05:12:08 OutAndAbout, sure. Jun 12 05:12:11 OutAndAbout: as far as i know, Sprint does not allow tethering on the Pre Jun 12 05:12:11 java: error while loading shared libraries: libhyprt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jun 12 05:12:23 PreGame, good job, you broke something Jun 12 05:12:31 O_o Jun 12 05:12:41 summatusmentis: They may not have allowed it Jun 12 05:12:42 OutAndAbout: you may want to look at the info on the wiki which you may find useful Jun 12 05:12:48 what command am I supposed ot use if i want to run a java file? Jun 12 05:13:11 summatusmentis: Rather they may have blocked it. But they do not state that we cannot use it. Jun 12 05:13:11 link for novaproxy? Jun 12 05:13:24 its on the wiki Jun 12 05:13:27 OutAndAbout: have you read ToS thoroughly? Jun 12 05:13:31 http://predev.wikidot.com Jun 12 05:13:43 I'm pretty sure they say you can't tether without a PAM plan Jun 12 05:13:54 summatusmentis: Yes. I read every document I could fins including TOS. Jun 12 05:13:56 http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting Jun 12 05:14:18 I believe someone has already successfully run a java program on the phone. Jun 12 05:14:28 scoutcamper: http://github.com/asedeno Jun 12 05:14:46 I am wanting to run one of the java apps already on there Jun 12 05:14:55 one of the .jar files Jun 12 05:15:09 rwhitby: thanks Jun 12 05:15:12 So then what exactly is this IRC room for? Jun 12 05:15:21 OutAndAbout: as I don't have a device, and am on a grandfathered plan, I don't know for certain. I do know that on my sprint plan which inculdes unlimited data, tethering is not allowed Jun 12 05:15:23 to cyber Jun 12 05:15:38 a/s/l Jun 12 05:16:22 * Sargun should get on the phone with a sprint rep and ask Jun 12 05:16:29 LMAO! Jun 12 05:16:49 OutAndAbout: exactly whats in the /topic Jun 12 05:16:51 Yes, yes it is Jun 12 05:17:14 I'm off to bed, 'night all Jun 12 05:17:32 OutAndAbout: if you can show that tethering is within the Sprint TOS, then it's fine to discuss. Jun 12 05:17:33 rwhitby: I am not asking for how. I am simply asking if anyone here thinks it will be possible to output EVDO over WIFI. Jun 12 05:17:49 conceptually? yes Jun 12 05:18:00 I personally think it's possible Jun 12 05:18:07 summatusmentis: Do you think it will ever come to fruition? Jun 12 05:18:15 probably Jun 12 05:18:20 summatusmentis: Perfect Jun 12 05:18:27 whether or not it's through legitimate means remains to be seen Jun 12 05:18:30 summatusmentis: That is all I needed to know Jun 12 05:18:34 summatusmentis: Thank You Jun 12 05:18:46 sure. Bear in mind, that's my personal opinion Jun 12 05:18:55 summatusmentis: And of course, but either way I am sure someone will do it. Jun 12 05:19:17 OutAndAbout: tethering is a grey area at the moment, so we need to be careful about it until we know where we stand Jun 12 05:19:18 * scoutcamper is not having much luck with nova proxy Jun 12 05:19:52 OutAndAbout: primarily becaues of Sprint's ToS Jun 12 05:20:10 scoutcamper: I can't help more than that - I don't have a Pre. But hopefully someone else here who was rooted from Linux can help you. Jun 12 05:20:11 Everyone including rwhitby: What do other people think? I am not asking HOW but rather asking if you think it is possible that EVDO be broadcast out through the WIFI. Jun 12 05:20:23 OutAndAbout: oh, that's fine. Jun 12 05:20:46 rwhitby: I thought so. Do you personally think it is possible. Jun 12 05:20:58 anyone have a pre thats been rooted from ubunto? Jun 12 05:21:03 ubuntu* Jun 12 05:21:09 OutAndAbout: being in a progressive GSM country, I know nothing about EVDO stuff ;-) Jun 12 05:21:28 Pregame: Jun 11 03:31:00 if you copy over a class file, use javahy to run it Jun 12 05:21:49 hey i said that Jun 12 05:21:52 i have verizon, i just have a pre with no cell service so, im no help either Jun 12 05:21:56 rwhitby: nyah nyah nyah, my country has sane cell carriers Jun 12 05:21:59 lol Jun 12 05:21:59 :-P Jun 12 05:22:03 thanks jvmguy Jun 12 05:22:04 :) Jun 12 05:22:04 rwhitby: Okay let me rephrase. Do you think that we will ever be able to output our cell connection over WIFI? Jun 12 05:22:15 OutAndAbout: it's linux, so yes. Jun 12 05:22:25 one is ppp0, one is eth0 Jun 12 05:22:35 anyone have libusb experience ? Jun 12 05:22:37 there are multiple ways to bridge them Jun 12 05:22:48 anything is possible with you, Jun 12 05:22:52 and linux Jun 12 05:22:54 :D Jun 12 05:22:59 off to bed Jun 12 05:23:10 yeah, me too Jun 12 05:23:13 'night all Jun 12 05:23:14 rwhitby: Great. I hope that some whiz does it. Of course, I am not condoning it! ;-) Jun 12 05:23:24 summatusmentis: 'Night Jun 12 05:23:36 cya pregame Jun 12 05:23:46 collzx: do you have an ssh connection to the pre? Jun 12 05:23:52 and summatusmentis Jun 12 05:23:56 yes Jun 12 05:23:58 i am trying to scan the usb devices for the novacom stuff to get a linux novacomd going ... but i get a bad file descriptor and i don't understand why Jun 12 05:26:02 what about running wine on linux to use the novacom to gain initial root? Jun 12 05:26:57 collzx: can you scp to it? Jun 12 05:27:31 OutAndAbout: as soon as unlocked GSM device is released, tethering talk will be kosher Jun 12 05:27:31 pregame, eh - we should understand the novacom protocol i think ... but silly usb problems are just ... terrible Jun 12 05:28:01 rwhitby. How would I do that? Jun 12 05:28:18 What is the wiki page for all of this? Jun 12 05:30:29 OutAndAbout: wiki is listed in /topic Jun 12 05:31:55 is chron arround? Jun 12 05:32:01 or cyanidepoison? Jun 12 05:32:09 I'm here, why? Jun 12 05:32:44 nvm Jun 12 05:33:21 i'm sorry if this is not the place to do this... but can anyone give me a bit more of an idea regarding rooting of the pre? Jun 12 05:33:39 on windows, mac or linux? Jun 12 05:33:42 windows Jun 12 05:34:00 i've gone to the wiki and gotten through step 5 Jun 12 05:34:01 what do you want to know? Jun 12 05:34:20 basically, how do i "get the rooter from subversion" Jun 12 05:34:21 Has anyone figured out how to manually add wifi networks? Jun 12 05:34:29 Family, look for novaproxy Jun 12 05:34:40 okay guys here's a dose of obviousness in regards of classic Jun 12 05:34:45 i can make a rar file in a second Jun 12 05:34:59 i have downloaded novaproxy from the wiki Jun 12 05:35:04 webOS had the binaries builtin (durrrr) Jun 12 05:35:26 but it appears to be a browser plugin Jun 12 05:35:36 interesting shinali Jun 12 05:35:38 ShinAli: go to the WiFi Preferences and then Join network Jun 12 05:35:41 when i open novaproxy.py it simply tells me what port it is listening to Jun 12 05:35:52 ShinAli: we don't want to put motion apps out of business, right? Jun 12 05:36:21 rwhitby: it still needs to be registered for Jun 12 05:36:32 ShinAli: ah, ok. no probs then. Jun 12 05:36:34 the mojo app directly communicates with it Jun 12 05:36:44 and I suck at sftp apparently I still can't get read/write Jun 12 05:37:35 Kaerey: did you rootfs_open -w first? or use the loopback method for /opt ? Jun 12 05:37:49 but anyways, to load it up, it creates an object element in the html doc and associates a type with it, like 'application/x-pdf-something' Jun 12 05:38:22 I did what you typed above and mount -o remount,rw / in putty Jun 12 05:38:27 and uses event listeners to interact with it Jun 12 05:38:59 so native apps are sort of possible if it's figured out Jun 12 05:39:08 I did the ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/scp Jun 12 05:39:20 not sure if Palm is willing to give more information on that down the road though Jun 12 05:39:29 dreadchicken: Tydog is vetting the new instructions now and fixing as he goes Jun 12 05:41:37 Family: http://www.mediafire.com/?yonmgmxawyj Jun 12 05:42:26 scoutcamper: thanks... downloading now. thanks also for your patience Jun 12 05:42:43 rwhitby, should i post that link on the wiki, it is the rooter in one file, all the files they ned Jun 12 05:42:58 all they have to do is run talk.py Jun 12 05:43:03 scoutcamper: only if it has a reference back to where the source is please Jun 12 05:43:10 ok Jun 12 05:45:33 rwhitby, is that good? Jun 12 05:46:27 scoutcamper: url? Jun 12 05:46:44 scoutcamper: oh, I see. Jun 12 05:46:50 lol Jun 12 05:47:03 I'm not comfortable having a mediafire strings of characters link there Jun 12 05:47:16 please leave the subversion link first Jun 12 05:47:35 k, then the mediafire link? Jun 12 05:47:43 or just no mediafire link? Jun 12 05:47:47 the other problem is what happens when we fix a bug in the svn files? Jun 12 05:47:54 who is going to maintain the mediafire link? Jun 12 05:48:13 I'd prefer just instructions on how to download the appropriate files from svn http Jun 12 05:48:20 ok, can do Jun 12 05:48:28 thx Jun 12 05:49:31 better? Jun 12 05:49:53 puurrfect Jun 12 05:50:01 yay Jun 12 05:50:02 :D Jun 12 05:50:33 now we just need instructions there on how to use novaproxy - someone should be able to get that from these channel logs Jun 12 05:51:02 thanks again... i just ran talk.py from the zip you sent me.... Jun 12 05:51:19 i might can do that, i will put together a file and have sargun review it first Jun 12 05:51:33 u r welcome family Jun 12 05:52:05 good to see new contributors helping other new contributors - that's the type of channel I want this to be. Jun 12 05:52:18 cool Jun 12 05:53:23 due to time constraints, those who just got helped really need to be the ones helping other new folks, and so on. share the load. Jun 12 05:54:03 same with wiki updates - those who just got helped need to update the wiki Jun 12 05:54:20 okay scottcamper, if you don't mind i'll keep going... now i have run talk.py and i found my ip by going to whatismyip ... now what? Jun 12 05:54:46 at the risk of asking a redundant question, do I have to do something special to run the rooter from windows7? I'm getting "[Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it" Jun 12 05:55:00 how do I read ASCII values from /dev/input/keypad0? Jun 12 05:55:14 disc`: I think someone got an answer to that earlier and forgot to update the wiki ... Jun 12 05:55:19 disc - sounds like you have Windows Firewall (or some other firewall) turned on? Jun 12 05:55:53 I have my firewall turned off for both Home/work and Public networks... Jun 12 05:57:56 although I have a goofy network setup (wireless + lan NICs bridged.) Could that be part of it? Jun 12 05:59:50 any suggestions on what to do after running talk.py and locating my ip address? i'm a bit stuck... thanks in advance Jun 12 06:01:33 Family, telnet into your pre Jun 12 06:02:16 Sargun: telnet, or Putty in raw mode? Jun 12 06:02:32 are there any configuration files for the webkit on webos? Jun 12 06:02:34 I thought telnet had problems cause the other end didn't talk telnet? Jun 12 06:02:37 thanks Sargun... care to explain how? yes... i'm really that unfamiliar with this Jun 12 06:02:40 rwhitby, telnet Jun 12 06:02:47 rwhitby, we use raw for novaproxy Jun 12 06:02:57 ah, cool, sorry. Jun 12 06:03:05 Family, start up cmd Jun 12 06:03:13 then type: telnet $YOURPRE'SIP Jun 12 06:03:23 and it should give you something about castle Jun 12 06:03:26 Family: BTW, you've just volunteered to write this up on the wiki, right? Jun 12 06:03:31 disc`: it could certainly be ... the talk.py script is pretty simplistic and assumes that localhost:6968 is listening Jun 12 06:04:48 satch80: thanks, let me try simplifying my network Jun 12 06:05:44 sargun: it is giving me a syntax error when i type telnet my.ip.address.here Jun 12 06:06:17 rwhitby: i hardly think i am qualified though i am flattered Jun 12 06:06:19 can you tell me exactly what you're typing? Jun 12 06:06:34 any linux guys in here ? Jun 12 06:06:39 with my ip and all? Jun 12 06:06:45 sure Jun 12 06:06:49 bpadalino, hehe Jun 12 06:06:50 Sorta Jun 12 06:07:01 I have to find my linux laptop Jun 12 06:07:03 telnet 70.105.64.128 Jun 12 06:07:05 http://pastie.textmate.org/509349 - start of using libusb to read novacom from the pre Jun 12 06:07:12 Family, setup your pre over wifi Jun 12 06:07:18 and run the pandora app Jun 12 06:07:52 okay, i'm running it now Jun 12 06:08:52 i am connected to my wifi and pandora is running Jun 12 06:09:05 ok, telnet to the wifi IP Jun 12 06:09:15 Family: just cutting and pasting the commands you typed as someone else helped you is a sufficient start for a wiki page Jun 12 06:09:31 or even just cutting and pasting the relevant IRC chat Jun 12 06:09:39 someone else will clean it up later Jun 12 06:09:45 (the next person to use it hopefully) Jun 12 06:09:56 so, rooting from ubuntu is not possible ? Jun 12 06:09:56 nope Jun 12 06:09:56 ... Jun 12 06:09:56 that bites Jun 12 06:09:56 hehe Jun 12 06:10:09 lol Jun 12 06:10:39 * scoutcamper is a n00b Jun 12 06:11:50 I'd love to update the wiki on getting sftp to work. but I'm still not having any luck can't get write permissions. rwhitby if you got a sec could you help again explaining the loopback? Jun 12 06:12:13 sargun: am i to get the ip from somewhere in particular... or is whatsmyip.org sufficient Jun 12 06:12:14 was anyone able to find opengl libraries in webos? Jun 12 06:12:23 i did a grep for opengl but got nothing Jun 12 06:12:43 no libGL.so anywhere Jun 12 06:12:57 Family, in the wifi settings Jun 12 06:13:04 whatsmyip.org is fine, unless you are getting an IP from DHCP then you need to get your Local Address Jun 12 06:13:41 zsazs, the device is directfb Jun 12 06:13:49 rwhitby: hi Jun 12 06:14:41 okay, i'm using the ip givin in the wifi settings... i'm typing "telnet 192.168.1.45" into the prompt but it's giving me a syntax error and pointing the 3rd digit of the second set of numbers Jun 12 06:14:47 Sargun, right, but the GPU on the omap is certainly opengl es capable Jun 12 06:15:21 are you sure Jun 12 06:15:26 yes Jun 12 06:15:41 Family, ah, start a new command prompt Jun 12 06:15:45 unless palm performed a lobotomy Jun 12 06:15:55 ShinAli, they could disable it Jun 12 06:16:13 maybe, for power savings Jun 12 06:16:23 i wouldn't know how for sure... Jun 12 06:16:27 i am a royal moron... i've been doing this in the python command line Jun 12 06:16:32 to find out that is Jun 12 06:16:40 Family, yeah... Jun 12 06:16:58 Family, it's ok. Jun 12 06:17:06 thanks for the patience i really appreciate it.... i'm sure i'll need more help sooner than later Jun 12 06:17:16 Family, just curious, how old are you Jun 12 06:17:34 glp: g'day Jun 12 06:17:51 you'll laugh... but i just turned 22. however, i have very minor programming experience **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 06:21:13 2009 Jun 12 06:21:35 Sargun: hmm, I turned 18 many more months and days ago than that. /cry Jun 12 06:22:05 * scoutcamper is off to bed Jun 12 06:22:41 i'm trying to install the dropbear daemon and it's failing "HTTP/1.1 404 not found" Jun 12 06:22:59 heh - I bet eno just updated it with the scp symlink fix Jun 12 06:23:08 Family: check the URL directory for a new version Jun 12 06:24:00 Family: try http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/dropbear_0.52-3_arm.ipk Jun 12 06:24:46 rwhitby... it didn't work Jun 12 06:25:09 Family: you tried the exact URL I just pasted? Jun 12 06:25:12 yes it did Jun 12 06:25:14 sorry Jun 12 06:26:01 Family: which wiki page gives the now-outdated URL ? Jun 12 06:26:07 darn rwhitby still doesnt work Jun 12 06:26:19 same winscp error, make sure scp is installed on the server Jun 12 06:26:29 rwhitby, please disregard what i said... the wiki has it right Jun 12 06:26:37 Tydog: and you can run /opt/sbin/scp on the pre? Jun 12 06:26:40 anyone have any idea what BrowserServer is? Jun 12 06:26:44 oops /opt/bin/scp ... Jun 12 06:27:01 yes i can run Jun 12 06:27:18 but winscp can't? Jun 12 06:27:25 nope Jun 12 06:27:46 can you ssh in fine? Jun 12 06:27:54 im ssh'd in now Jun 12 06:27:56 Tydog: anything in /var/log/messages? Jun 12 06:28:33 nope just battery info Jun 12 06:28:43 not even if i try and transfer a file with winscp Jun 12 06:30:05 I can Copy from the Pre to the my local machine in WinSCP but I cna't write to the pre Jun 12 06:30:17 hmm i cant even copy from pre to local Jun 12 06:30:44 Kaerey and Tydog compare settings and symlinks :-) Jun 12 06:30:57 you using root or another user? Jun 12 06:31:05 to copy in the environment > SFTP SFTP Server: Default not what was listed in the forum Jun 12 06:31:09 cause there might be a permissions problem Jun 12 06:31:27 I'm logging in as my user Jun 12 06:31:30 logged in as the user i created after rooting process Jun 12 06:32:31 Karey and i have both run Jun 12 06:32:32 ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/ssh Jun 12 06:32:32 ln -s ../sbin/dropbearmulti /opt/bin/scp Jun 12 06:33:11 Tydog: can you run "ssh -p user@pre /opt/bin/ssh -v" Jun 12 06:33:24 (or however you do that from windows) Jun 12 06:33:47 yeah I can Jun 12 06:33:47 we want to check that when logged in over ssh, you have perms to run /opt/bin/scp Jun 12 06:33:58 Kaerey: what's the output? Jun 12 06:34:06 gives the usage description Jun 12 06:34:11 if somebody buys me a second pre I will put it online so people can log in and test things. heh Jun 12 06:34:54 if someone ships a pre to .au I can speed this whole wiki thing up :-) Jun 12 06:34:57 "WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-v'" and then goes on to list all the valid arguments Jun 12 06:35:39 i'm using putty for ssh, not sure how to tack on the last part of that command to login process Jun 12 06:36:11 rwhitby: what if someone gave you ssh access to their own pre ? Jun 12 06:36:21 Tydog: that's how you send a command in linux I believe you would just do the last part /opt/bin/ssh -v Jun 12 06:36:32 ahh ok thats what i was figuring Jun 12 06:36:39 same as Karey, list of options Jun 12 06:36:50 bpadalino: that would help when I have a chunk of free time Jun 12 06:36:56 heh Jun 12 06:38:59 sargun, you around ? Jun 12 06:39:19 bpadalino, no Jun 12 06:39:22 oh ok Jun 12 06:39:35 I'm joking Jun 12 06:39:37 what's up Jun 12 06:39:44 permissions on /opt/bin/ssh Jun 12 06:39:55 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Jun 12 01:39 ssh -> ../sbin/dropbearmulti Jun 12 06:40:06 when i gave you those captures of the lo, what did it end up being? just ascii text - nothing extra ? Jun 12 06:43:39 wtf why cant i scroolll... Jun 12 06:43:50 and it works again Jun 12 06:45:20 hmm i'm wondering if winscp wont work b/c everything is owned by root? Jun 12 06:45:56 has anyone put in ssh keys for direct root access yet? Jun 12 06:46:28 here's the compiled instructions from the forum so far Jun 12 06:46:28 http://predev.wikidot.com/sftp-access Jun 12 06:46:49 'lo Jun 12 06:46:57 hey Kaloz :-) Jun 12 06:47:13 hey Rod :) Jun 12 06:47:16 Kaloz: morning ;-) Jun 12 06:47:36 * Kaloz hopes he will be able to get a Pre.. Jun 12 06:48:10 let's hope someone will sell it in the eu, soon ;) Jun 12 06:48:19 * rwhitby notes that glp and Kaloz are from the OpenWrt project Jun 12 06:48:33 Sargun: is that an input device? you have to read structures in binary Jun 12 06:48:42 keypad Jun 12 06:48:53 rwhitby: read into the logs and decided I want a pre more than a g2 ;) Jun 12 06:49:03 i have another question... after following the tutorial for creating a secure backdore using SSH... i'm left wondering what i can do? how do i access everything without using telnet? Jun 12 06:49:09 tmzt, no, directfb does it. Jun 12 06:49:16 Family, via ssh Jun 12 06:49:22 falz, did you get in. Jun 12 06:49:27 bpadalino, no, it had binary headers. Jun 12 06:49:38 tmzt, I got it working, lemme upload a second video. Jun 12 06:49:48 tmzt, I haven't gotten the touch screen working yet, but I don't plan to. Jun 12 06:49:50 sargun, is there an easy hexdump for me to figure out wtf was written ? Jun 12 06:49:55 by using any ssh shell? Jun 12 06:49:59 bpadalino, why? Jun 12 06:50:05 Kaloz, glp: when did we start letting Europeans in here? Jun 12 06:50:10 Sargun: what were you trying to do? Jun 12 06:50:12 i wonder if i can just quickly translate the same stuff over for the libusb stuff Jun 12 06:50:17 and get a linux app working Jun 12 06:50:25 tmzt, in what? Jun 12 06:50:32 Bartman007: since your economy is in a worse situation :P Jun 12 06:50:34 * Kaloz hides Jun 12 06:50:42 with touchscree/keypad Jun 12 06:51:10 bpadalino: translate what? Jun 12 06:51:45 telnetd Jun 12 06:51:45 iptables -I INPUT -j ACCEPT Jun 12 06:51:45 exit Jun 12 06:52:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17jztPq4rc Jun 12 06:52:53 that's cool, eh? Jun 12 06:53:12 Sargun: real cool Jun 12 06:53:47 "An error occurred, please try again later." Jun 12 06:54:04 i was commenting on the first video but the second is messed up yeah Jun 12 06:54:09 but translate it to libusb how? Jun 12 06:54:14 ShinAli, messed up? Jun 12 06:54:24 what Kaloz said Jun 12 06:54:36 I think yourtube just got pre-dotted Jun 12 06:54:40 haha Jun 12 06:54:44 :) Jun 12 06:55:05 Sargun: how'd you get that running? Jun 12 06:55:07 worksforme Jun 12 06:55:09 it does work in HQ Jun 12 06:55:44 ShinAli, Shh, but it's just a video and I'm pretending to hit the buttons. Jun 12 06:55:44 runs surprisingly well Jun 12 06:55:50 ShinAli, I installed debian in a chroot, configured debian's directfb. Jun 12 06:56:26 any suggestions on how to change the password i selected or delete the user i created all together for my ssh? Jun 12 06:56:38 Sargun: so is it really running for you on pre? Jun 12 06:56:38 Family: passwd Jun 12 06:56:42 cdm, yeah. Jun 12 06:56:48 cdm, dude, you are so fucking awesome Jun 12 06:56:52 thanks.. i'll try it Jun 12 06:57:05 A) For letting us hack the thing and not shutting us down B) For making such fucking awesome hardware. Jun 12 06:57:15 oh, and C) For making a fucking awesome OS Jun 12 06:57:23 with all sorts of hackability and stuff Jun 12 06:57:49 D) for being a phone company software director who knows how to use IRC Jun 12 06:57:55 oh, yeah, that too. Jun 12 06:57:56 I'm not sure C was on purpose :)) Jun 12 06:58:03 Sargun: if you can put it in a webkit plugin you might have it running as a webos app Jun 12 06:58:10 rwhitby: touche :) Jun 12 06:58:18 Kaloz: yes, actually, it was. :) Jun 12 06:58:35 hahah Jun 12 06:58:40 though i can't find any sort of docs on developing webkit plugins except in objective-c Jun 12 06:59:11 shinali: it's using at least a subset of the netscape/mozilla plugin api Jun 12 06:59:41 cdm: my bad then :) but if I'm here and be able to deliver another honest sentence - too bad for the death of the Foleo :) I loved the idea, and find it funny how other companies redo it now Jun 12 06:59:42 Sargun: i'm serious :( Jun 12 07:00:07 ShinAli, Uhm, I'm not going to develop anything Jun 12 07:00:09 :-P Jun 12 07:00:25 i'm getting confused Jun 12 07:00:43 and i have a headache. Jun 12 07:00:47 ShinAli, I'm not going to develop a webkit plugin Jun 12 07:01:23 webkit is the rendering engine, I think the plugins would depend on the implementation wouldn't it? Jun 12 07:01:30 even on OSX the way the plugins worked changed Jun 12 07:01:39 its how classic works Jun 12 07:01:47 cdm: so Sargun gets the job then? Jun 12 07:02:14 guess i'm not the only one who isn't sleeping tonight over this, then. Jun 12 07:02:23 if we knew what NPWindow is a wrapper for Jun 12 07:02:25 haha Jun 12 07:03:47 I'm going to write a podcatcher, I have to finish a medium sized project for profit Jun 12 07:06:17 just tried running talk.py Jun 12 07:06:45 oh, god, I regret releasing that script Jun 12 07:06:56 haha, yeah that seems to be hanging up a lot of people. Jun 12 07:07:49 i just skipped that, and used the novaproxy script... worked fine. Jun 12 07:08:02 cdm, why did you guys choose directfb? Jun 12 07:08:34 and got getPort() errors on line 48 Jun 12 07:08:59 Tydog, are you on windows Jun 12 07:09:01 guys, at some point we need to go through the wiki and change ipkg to ipkg-opt so people don't keep touching the palm ipkg database Jun 12 07:09:07 however I am trying to run this again, i was working through the getting back to scratch flow on the wiki and i rebooted my pre, and bam ssh wasn't running again Jun 12 07:09:09 you have to keep trying the script Jun 12 07:09:13 nmap shows port 222 as close Jun 12 07:09:23 Tydog, are you on windows xp? Jun 12 07:09:27 yes Jun 12 07:09:59 Tydog, did you install the novacom drivers Jun 12 07:10:05 you betchya Jun 12 07:10:10 Sargun: we don't use directfb Jun 12 07:10:12 already got into this thing a few times Jun 12 07:10:20 Tydog: after installing novacom, use the novaproxy.py Jun 12 07:10:36 then telnet Jun 12 07:10:44 cdm, ah, I was under the impression you did. you have the drivers installed. You're just using fb then (from luna)? Jun 12 07:10:47 Sargun: Tydog's been helping test and update the new procedure on http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 12 07:11:16 (the from scratch one at the end, which will eventually become the one true procedure) Jun 12 07:11:40 cool. Jun 12 07:12:20 where do i find novaproxy.py? Jun 12 07:12:36 nvm dumb question Jun 12 07:12:38 got it Jun 12 07:12:51 :) Jun 12 07:12:55 good save. Jun 12 07:13:40 is there an updated seds package? Jun 12 07:13:48 novaprox.py gives me the same error Jun 12 07:13:53 are offscreen buffers used at all? Jun 12 07:13:57 hmm... Jun 12 07:13:58 I'm getting error: sed.postinst retunred 127 when installing Jun 12 07:14:02 File "C:\Documents and Settings\Admin\Desktop\asedeno-novaproxy-49abea30d1f52 Jun 12 07:14:02 7e901647fadee0b91b05c0f620\novaproxy.py", line 105, in Jun 12 07:14:02 port = getport() Jun 12 07:14:10 cdm, so, it's just plain old framebuffer with triple buffering? Jun 12 07:14:31 reinstall novacom? Jun 12 07:15:03 k Jun 12 07:15:08 shouldn't require a restart should it? Jun 12 07:15:21 nope, i did it a couple times earlier today without a restart Jun 12 07:16:21 fudge Jun 12 07:16:22 no go Jun 12 07:16:35 strange.. you say it was working fine earlier? Jun 12 07:16:42 yep Jun 12 07:16:51 anything significant that you changed? Jun 12 07:16:54 FYI, optware dropbear package should now have the ssh and scp client symlinks included (done by update-alternatives so openssh will get priority if installed later) Jun 12 07:16:59 i plugged in pre and set to just charge Jun 12 07:17:18 Tydog: I wonder if that unmounts /media/internal or something Jun 12 07:17:29 * rwhitby notes that Tydog is using the loopback method Jun 12 07:17:31 trying something Jun 12 07:17:52 earlier i was not selecting any of the three options when they popped up. Jun 12 07:18:15 i fail at life Jun 12 07:18:21 forgot to turn dev mode on again Jun 12 07:18:25 haha Jun 12 07:18:31 you're fired. Jun 12 07:18:34 So... do we just update dropbear somehow? Jun 12 07:18:53 Kaerey: i was just wondering the same thing... Jun 12 07:19:04 every time i try to delete something while running SSH it says permission denied... any ideas? Jun 12 07:19:11 su - Jun 12 07:19:24 and/or remount root with r/w Jun 12 07:19:44 remounted Jun 12 07:19:49 set it to read/write with "mount -o remount,rw /" and when you are done set it back to read only wtih "mount -o remount,ro /" Jun 12 07:19:54 oops... i remounted with r/w Jun 12 07:20:22 is WinSCP the right ssh shell? Jun 12 07:21:04 phew back in Jun 12 07:21:12 now why isn't ssh always running.... Jun 12 07:21:36 Family: what do you mean is it the right shell? Jun 12 07:21:55 WinSCP is mainly a sftp/scp client... if you just want ssh shell access, use a client like Putty... Jun 12 07:23:11 sorry that was a mix of two thoughts... i was trying to say i'm using winSCP should i use ssh shell access instead Jun 12 07:23:40 Hi, new here. I am havin problems rooting the device. I was wondering if anyone could help. Here is what I have done so far. 1) Enabled dev mode on the Pre, 2) Installed novacom drivers, plugged into computer (shows up in device manager), 3) installed python, run novaproxy Jun 12 07:24:14 Sargun: triple-buffering? Jun 12 07:24:24 I get the error "No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it" Jun 12 07:24:51 tmzt, Jun 12 07:24:52 sargun@lucifer ~/palm/webos_tars/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs $ cat etc/palm/luna.conf |grep -i buf Jun 12 07:24:52 DisplayNumBuffers=3 Jun 12 07:25:55 how is it swapping them? just in userspace? Jun 12 07:26:43 Kaerey: ipkg-opt update, then ipkg-opt upgrade. But do it from telnet so it can upgrade dropbear (another reason to use openssh instead of dropbear) Jun 12 07:27:24 rwhitby: not just "ipkg" Jun 12 07:27:38 Kaerey: depends whether you're using the old or new method Jun 12 07:27:44 dropbear won't stay in memory when unlinked? Jun 12 07:27:59 tmzt: prerm script kills it I think Jun 12 07:28:09 you can ipkg-opt upgrade it using screen Jun 12 07:28:36 tmzt: it's cause dropbear doesn't spawn a separate process for each connection like openssh does Jun 12 07:28:47 yeah Jun 12 07:28:55 need to write a spawn-dropbear shell script Jun 12 07:29:11 and have it start as a daemon. heh Jun 12 07:29:22 joshua: funny enough, there already is a dropbear script in /etc/event.d/... Jun 12 07:29:42 Oh yeah I forgot about that Jun 12 07:30:09 Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong or how to resolve the error message? Jun 12 07:30:15 tmzt: There is a standard ioctl() for page flipping Jun 12 07:30:25 hey guys, catching up on the logs, but is there anyone on who can explain how to do the wiki formatting? I went to add some possible errors to the Rooting windows page and screwed up the numerbing of the steps Jun 12 07:30:46 multiple screens are allocated by the framebuffer driver? Jun 12 07:31:38 yep Jun 12 07:32:04 ok Jun 12 07:32:09 So, is there anyone who can can try out the from-scratch instructions on http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository on an newly rooted pre? Jun 12 07:32:33 nm, fixed it. its not the nicest looking line, but its numbered right now Jun 12 07:32:48 buford: someone asked the exact same question before, but I don't know if it was answered - did you check the channel log? Jun 12 07:33:01 buford: i'm a newb too but they just helped me Jun 12 07:33:17 i'll dig up what was said and hopefuilly it will help you as well Jun 12 07:33:27 I will check the logs, my mistake - thank you Jun 12 07:33:36 the interesting part is google did something similar but depends on a number of custom kernel side mechanisms such as binder and pmem Jun 12 07:34:03 Family: if you can help buford that would be great, thanks. Jun 12 07:34:17 :) i'll do my best Jun 12 07:34:18 Sargun: oh sorry 'bout earlier i didn't know what chroot was Jun 12 07:34:23 I wonder how surfaces are being passed to other processes or is everything really in process Jun 12 07:34:27 the way i figure it is android wrote an os, they just happen to be using a linux kernel as a base Jun 12 07:34:34 buford: what step did you get to again? Jun 12 07:34:44 i'll probably test all that this weekend. I'm at work now working on customers linux boxes instead. heh Jun 12 07:34:52 buford, whats your question? I just loaded the chat Jun 12 07:34:55 ShinAli, it's fine. earlier, I didn't know what novacom was either Jun 12 07:35:00 i wanna put nginx on my phone and serve up my flash filesystem just for kicks Jun 12 07:35:15 haha Jun 12 07:35:21 nginx? Jun 12 07:35:22 joshua, sorry, already done Jun 12 07:35:28 Family: I am trying to connect via USB using novaproxy Jun 12 07:35:32 i saw the package available Jun 12 07:35:40 joshua, I did it via lighttpd Jun 12 07:35:51 ahh that works too Jun 12 07:35:56 joshua, hah Jun 12 07:35:57 unfortunately i didn't use novaproxy, i used the wifi option via telnet Jun 12 07:35:58 I love this Jun 12 07:35:59 wonder which one runs better Jun 12 07:36:17 is wifi an option for you? Jun 12 07:36:38 has anyone tried replacing ffmpeg yet? Jun 12 07:36:46 joshua, why Jun 12 07:36:48 Family: I tried wifi option first , same issues ... when I run the talk.py file, I get the same error: socket.error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the targ Jun 12 07:36:48 ne actively refused it Jun 12 07:36:56 the built in one hardly has any codec support Jun 12 07:37:05 so i am wondering if it was replaced the media player could play more Jun 12 07:37:26 err but actually gstreamer is probably the player Jun 12 07:37:29 buford, just added to the wiki Jun 12 07:37:42 if your getting that error with talk.py, turn off you're firewall and av Jun 12 07:37:47 if we could add divx, that would be hot Jun 12 07:37:47 see if that fixes anything Jun 12 07:37:52 buford: did you download the rooter? or just the talk.py file? Jun 12 07:38:39 Family/Zinge: I will turn off all firewalls and check if this solves the problem Jun 12 07:38:47 well gstreamer is a library but it should be possible to add additional codecs though they will be only on the cpu core not gpu Jun 12 07:38:54 So, the device has support for ad-hoc networks Jun 12 07:39:09 buford: I would also redownload the rooter from here http://www.mediafire.com/?yonmgmxawyj Jun 12 07:39:18 buford; also turn off your antivirus just till you get the wifi/novaproxy connection working Jun 12 07:39:21 thats what I had to do Jun 12 07:39:28 not sure why Jun 12 07:39:30 but itw orked Jun 12 07:40:13 regarding the infrared proximity sensor in the wiki... isn't it for killing the screen when putting the phone to your ear while on a call/ Jun 12 07:40:27 Family, yeah Jun 12 07:41:00 hmm... has the wiki just not been updated or is that insignificant Jun 12 07:41:14 Ok, so can hacked Palm Pres running Doom attract teenage girls? Jun 12 07:41:39 sargum, absolutely.... i'm just not sure if it'll be teenage girls worth attracting Jun 12 07:41:44 sargun * Jun 12 07:42:04 they will be teenage girls that turn out to be 35 year old men Jun 12 07:42:17 how can i handle SSH with a GUI...? Jun 12 07:42:18 Family/Zinge: I will redownload the rooter and turn off firewalls and virus scanners ... I'll let you know if this resolves the issue Jun 12 07:42:27 buford, good luck Jun 12 07:42:27 ok Jun 12 07:42:57 rwhitby, isn't it almost dinner time for you? Just about everytime I've come on irc you've been here :-) it's impressive Jun 12 07:43:06 ShinAli, I think I could make it look like a card Jun 12 07:43:10 zinge: 5:12pm Jun 12 07:43:27 yeah, my gf is in .au atm Jun 12 07:43:35 Sargun: by putting in beveled corners? :p Jun 12 07:44:25 Family: ssh w/ a gui? Jun 12 07:44:30 on the pre? or on your pc?? Jun 12 07:44:33 confused... Jun 12 07:44:34 PuTTY Jun 12 07:44:39 xp Jun 12 07:44:42 ah Jun 12 07:44:49 yes, seconding rwhitby, putty Jun 12 07:44:57 Sargun: thats the only way i could think of, at least Jun 12 07:45:07 i downloaded putty.. and maybe i'm just not seeing it... but i'm looking for something along the lines of a file explorer Jun 12 07:45:16 Family: WinSCP Jun 12 07:45:26 ShinAli, just inlay it Jun 12 07:45:35 tried that and it won't allow read/write... even though i've remounted as r/w Jun 12 07:45:37 oh Jun 12 07:45:39 rwhitby: does he still have to do the symlinks for dropbear? Jun 12 07:46:00 zinge: latest version should do it, but I haven't seen anyone confirm that yet Jun 12 07:46:02 rwhitby: does sftp work then? Jun 12 07:46:29 tmzt: I'm hoping to get that fixed too - then you just install openssh-sftp-server as well Jun 12 07:46:53 scp *should* work out of the box with latest dropbear package in optware, but I can't test it. Jun 12 07:47:10 this would allow you to mount ssh as a filesystem http://dokan-dev.net/en/download/ Jun 12 07:47:19 ill dump my dropbear and reinstall it to test Jun 12 07:47:43 joshua: for windows? Jun 12 07:47:46 Family: you aren't still connected via ssh when you are trying to use WinSCP are you? Jun 12 07:47:59 tmzt: yeah, its like sshfs but bundled all nicely for windows Jun 12 07:48:05 why should that matter? Jun 12 07:48:14 cool, vfs or ifs? Jun 12 07:48:31 because if dropbear only allows one connection and you are already connected then that might be a problem Jun 12 07:48:31 and I assume it can be tunneld? Jun 12 07:48:32 rwhitby: ipkg-opt remove, up, and install, then I should be able to use winscp with no further setup? or do I need to go through the sudo instructions again once I reinstall dropbear? Jun 12 07:48:32 uhh ok.. I think I bricked it Jun 12 07:48:46 joshua, not that i know of... just running winscp and logging in using the ip address and my login creds Jun 12 07:49:02 I wonder if winscp runs more than one connection... one to browse and one to transfer. Can you browse the files OK? Jun 12 07:49:12 Kaerey: doing what? Jun 12 07:49:13 ya for the most part Jun 12 07:49:20 ipkg update Jun 12 07:49:25 zinge: ipkg-opt upgrade should be enough Jun 12 07:49:27 I mean upgrade Jun 12 07:49:34 update and upgrade actually Jun 12 07:49:35 ok Jun 12 07:49:41 if you install cygwin you can get scp command line and grab files that way or use lftp Jun 12 07:50:00 zinge: but do it from telnetd Jun 12 07:50:11 yeah, i was gonna do it from novaproxy Jun 12 07:50:18 even better Jun 12 07:50:32 its a good thing I unhid the developer mode app; I'm using it every 5 min Jun 12 07:50:54 how does WebOS hide it? Jun 12 07:50:55 sigh... resetting now. gonna go grab some water; this reboot takes forever Jun 12 07:51:23 hide dev mod app? Jun 12 07:51:31 They have the certificate manager hidden, have to call it from that other app Jun 12 07:51:39 or are you asking someone else something? Jun 12 07:51:50 http://predev.wikidot.com/unhide-the-developermode-app Jun 12 07:51:52 yeah talkin to you, sorry. heh Jun 12 07:51:54 its up on the wiki Jun 12 07:52:01 rwhitby's link Jun 12 07:52:08 im out of the loop already Jun 12 07:52:08 read through that, its short Jun 12 07:52:21 joshua: keep up! ;-) Jun 12 07:52:24 rwhitby has all th links Jun 12 07:52:30 heh, kk. I'll be back in a min and try upgrading dropbear and scp Jun 12 07:52:58 somebody could easily write a GUI app to show hidden apps and turn them on/off Jun 12 07:53:05 and hide stupid crap like Nascar Jun 12 07:54:05 I think the predev wiki has a critical mass now. Jun 12 07:54:31 it definitely has substance now Jun 12 07:54:33 i wonder if you unhide an app, add it to the launcher and then hide it what happens Jun 12 07:54:52 its goes awau Jun 12 07:54:54 away Jun 12 07:55:06 oh, the wavebar thing you mean? Jun 12 07:55:09 i dont know Jun 12 07:55:10 the quick launch bar thing i mean... yeah Jun 12 07:55:13 BTW, anyone who knows the wiki pw is welcome to give it to anyone else who wants to contribute, just please don't post it in the channel or anywhere else public. Jun 12 07:55:18 i wanna see some good tech info though, like what you guys figured out about novacom Jun 12 07:55:51 geist: I keep telling you, send a pre to .au ;-) Jun 12 07:56:00 if the predev wiki has reached critical mass.... do we have to dump the reactor core? Jun 12 07:56:03 what's the button combo for a reset ? shift and cycle the ringer switch 3 times? Jun 12 07:56:32 rwhitby: send me the money for one, and all send you a pre :-) Jun 12 07:56:34 thought it was power and cycle reset switch Jun 12 07:56:39 rwhitby: can you msg me the pw? i want to give it to people researching the app framework Jun 12 07:56:41 ahh ok Jun 12 07:56:59 teo button combos: hold power and flickj reset 3 times, or orange blob/sym/r Jun 12 07:56:59 two* Jun 12 07:57:00 palm should set up a dev device for us and give some of you guys ssh access :P Jun 12 07:57:45 an emulator would be ideal Jun 12 07:58:13 yeah like... the SDK Jun 12 07:58:20 indeed Jun 12 07:58:22 lol Jun 12 07:58:35 I can only create one directory in my /opt loopback folder... then I get input/output errors. anyone know why? Jun 12 07:58:48 an SDK would be GREAT Jun 12 07:58:58 * rwhitby wonders if the doctor works against the SDK emulator ... Jun 12 07:58:59 wink freaking wink, palm guys Jun 12 07:59:41 rawdr: weird - anything in /var/log/messages or output of dmesg? Jun 12 07:59:51 * zinge facepalms Jun 12 08:00:02 can someone remind me how to add to the PATH? Jun 12 08:00:06 I'm blanking out on things Jun 12 08:00:11 try /etc/profile Jun 12 08:00:36 danke. once I do that I'll try the dropbear update. just got novaproxy connected Jun 12 08:01:38 hmm.... do I need to remount my loopback on /opt after a reboot? Jun 12 08:01:44 there is nothing in my /opt directory anymore Jun 12 08:02:23 zinge: probably unless you add it to /etc/fstab Jun 12 08:02:40 zinge: yeah, we need dkelson to write an upstart script for that Jun 12 08:02:48 could a script on event.d work? Jun 12 08:02:57 that's what we want Jun 12 08:03:22 okay; 'cause without it anyone who reboots after following the ipkg-opt and loopback instructions won't have ssh running anymore, correct? Jun 12 08:03:34 correct Jun 12 08:05:00 what's the difference between "rootfs_open -w" and "mount -o remount,rw /"? Jun 12 08:05:06 nothing Jun 12 08:05:10 we seem to be using them interchangably Jun 12 08:05:22 the former is a convenience script that palm left for us Jun 12 08:05:26 ok, just checking Jun 12 08:05:35 is there a similar version to remount ro Jun 12 08:05:36 ? Jun 12 08:05:40 -r Jun 12 08:05:42 is rootfs_open -r supposed to reboot? Jun 12 08:05:56 dunno, does it? Jun 12 08:06:17 I'm afraid to try it now :-) I don't want to wait for this thing to reboot Jun 12 08:06:21 where are novaproxy instructions? Jun 12 08:06:34 survery says... Jun 12 08:06:35 damn Jun 12 08:06:38 yes, it reboots Jun 12 08:06:43 ok Jun 12 08:06:49 i'm not crazy then Jun 12 08:07:01 probably to reload changes that won't update without a reboot Jun 12 08:07:07 guess we don't want to use those 'convenience' scripts then :-) Jun 12 08:07:16 ;-) that's why I was asking Jun 12 08:09:18 Ok I can't get it to restore my Pre is a brick :( Jun 12 08:09:37 anyone have trouble create folders in their loopbacked /opt? after one folder I get Input/output errors on the mkdir Jun 12 08:09:38 so what's the best way to auto-remount the loopback after a reboot and restart dropbear? or should I just wait for dkelson to write the upstart? Jun 12 08:09:59 Kaerey: seriously? Jun 12 08:10:09 yeah the repair tool won't even recognize it Jun 12 08:10:11 bdumm: novaproxy instructions are in the comments of the novaproxy file Jun 12 08:10:31 Kaerey: tell us what you're doing to restore it, step by step Jun 12 08:10:31 Kaerey: that's new... what did you do? Jun 12 08:10:57 well step one. I'm kind of freakin out! Jun 12 08:11:03 zinge: thx Jun 12 08:12:36 Kaerey: step by step, starting with what host OS you are using, and how the pre is connected, and with the pre battery removed and reinserted. Jun 12 08:12:59 rawdr: just tried creating multiple directories in my looped /opt, no problems Jun 12 08:13:06 how big did you make it? Jun 12 08:13:10 maybe you ran out of space/ Jun 12 08:13:12 ? Jun 12 08:13:18 zinge: thx for the confirmation Jun 12 08:13:20 I fire up the webOS Doctor with teh device off and unplugged, go through the first few steps to where it says plug it in, I plug it in and the palm screen comes up and the webOS Dr. doesn't recognize that it's there Jun 12 08:13:34 Not a space issue... I copied a whole mp3 into it to test Jun 12 08:13:43 I'm on Vista and I've removed/reinserted the battery Jun 12 08:13:52 Kaerey: doesn't it tell you do to something special when you plug it in? Jun 12 08:13:53 rawdr: did you already set up dropbear? Jun 12 08:14:11 geist: nope is there something I can? Jun 12 08:14:23 Kaerey: listen to geist, he's your best hope :-) Jun 12 08:14:27 Kaerey: try this: hold the vol+ key when you plug the it in to usb Jun 12 08:14:31 and put the battery in Jun 12 08:14:33 somebody on the forum mention holding volume up when you turn it on.plug it in Jun 12 08:14:40 what geist said :-) Jun 12 08:14:51 i'm pretty sure that's what the doctor is telling you to do Jun 12 08:14:57 because that's how you get the bootloader into recovery mode Jun 12 08:15:24 rwhitby: i just remounted my looped /opt; trying to update dropbear now Jun 12 08:15:24 you can see it works because you'll get a big USB logo on the screen Jun 12 08:16:02 got the logo Jun 12 08:16:32 did it work? Jun 12 08:16:39 it's going through now Jun 12 08:16:42 good Jun 12 08:18:14 it's pretty hard to brick a pre Jun 12 08:18:22 unless you use a hammer Jun 12 08:18:22 omap is good for that Jun 12 08:18:24 just saying... Jun 12 08:18:24 its like it was made for hacking Jun 12 08:18:43 but i dont think the doctor can handle a bootloader wipe, though it is still feasible to restore that Jun 12 08:18:58 and yeah, the omap is awesome for hacking Jun 12 08:19:08 Do we provide tools to handle a bootloader wipe? I haven't looked Jun 12 08:19:11 I mean to people Jun 12 08:19:19 has anyone tried connecting a usb storage device to the usb port yet Jun 12 08:19:24 i dont think so, problem is it's a total bitch to deal with on windows Jun 12 08:19:30 rwhitby: just reinstalled dropbear, restart webos-sshenabler, can log in over evdo Jun 12 08:19:37 ie, the 'catch the omap while it's booting' stuff would require a whole nother driver, etc Jun 12 08:19:39 Well, the windows usb interface bothers me anyway Jun 12 08:19:41 last I looked Jun 12 08:19:43 rwhitby: now try connecting with winscp? Jun 12 08:19:58 we already had to waste a ton of money and time just getting novacom working on windows Jun 12 08:20:07 whereas it's an afternoon of hacking on linux/mac Jun 12 08:20:13 which is silly, barely any of us use it Jun 12 08:20:18 At least I hope Jun 12 08:20:47 someone remind me to add the instructions to get doom running Jun 12 08:20:53 MSFT made it slightly easier in XP SP2+ by having a userspace usb api Jun 12 08:21:01 you really have doom running on the gui? Jun 12 08:21:04 libusb equivalent? Jun 12 08:21:11 zinge, no, directfb Jun 12 08:21:12 but it still requires that you create and sign a driver and go through whcl Jun 12 08:21:16 you just dont have to write an kernel code Jun 12 08:21:17 so dumb Jun 12 08:21:23 it's all a big racket Jun 12 08:21:27 oh... yeah, i don't know what directfb is :-) Jun 12 08:21:29 if you have doom running, please get a video and post on youtube. heh Jun 12 08:21:34 he did Jun 12 08:21:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g17jztPq4rc Jun 12 08:21:46 oh then i missed that too Jun 12 08:21:53 i had to go and sleep Jun 12 08:21:57 cdm seemed to like it :-) Jun 12 08:22:03 just have to stop sleeping Jun 12 08:22:16 waste of time Jun 12 08:22:19 wow, awesome Jun 12 08:22:24 ^_^ Jun 12 08:22:30 joshua: 1) wake, 2) read webos-internal channel logs, 3) join #webos-internals Jun 12 08:22:33 now it needs ioquake next Jun 12 08:22:46 joshua, ioquake? Jun 12 08:22:49 does it support SDL? Jun 12 08:23:01 Sargun: what did you do, staticly link the directfb port for arm? Jun 12 08:23:18 I could tell you over a lunch interview :-P Jun 12 08:23:22 No, I installed debian.... Jun 12 08:23:33 i want duke nukem forever on pre! Jun 12 08:23:37 There are different ways to do it, just curious which you took Jun 12 08:23:38 hrm theres ioquake2 and ioquake3, i guess theres another quake port i was thinking Jun 12 08:23:45 chrisa, I installed debian Jun 12 08:23:49 rwhitby: I'm getting some errors while winscp logs in, but it does connect. I can't do anything but list directories though Jun 12 08:24:00 quake2 might work, it even had a software renderer Jun 12 08:24:02 chrisa, and then ran prboom in the debian install Jun 12 08:24:23 hah you chrooted debian? Jun 12 08:24:26 that's pretty great Jun 12 08:24:42 and angstrom Jun 12 08:24:51 Could do it pretty easily with debootstrap Jun 12 08:24:54 we need more storage Jun 12 08:24:59 chrisa, yeah, it took like 20 minutes. Jun 12 08:25:08 rwhitby: scp is still not really working with the latest dropbear Jun 12 08:25:10 I had it chrooted over samba earlier, but it was causing problems Jun 12 08:25:22 does the webos-sshenabler script need to be updated maybe? Jun 12 08:25:28 because the WiFi was dropping out Jun 12 08:25:59 Dropping due to sleep, or something else? Jun 12 08:26:10 sleep and something I couldn't figure out Jun 12 08:26:27 I've been working on other stuff today mostly, just a couple hours on the Pre Jun 12 08:26:43 I need to do my day job, and finish up my freelance work Jun 12 08:27:56 man.. i never get tired of aplay and arecord over evdo Jun 12 08:28:20 do you have ti connected to usb at the time? Jun 12 08:28:37 i'm a little surprised wifi goes offline if it's connected to usb or a charger Jun 12 08:28:43 but i'm not entirely sure how that works Jun 12 08:28:48 is there an ipkg prog that can use the camera? Jun 12 08:28:54 geist, touchstone Jun 12 08:29:03 geist, I think it might be my wifi though Jun 12 08:29:13 hmm vlc has frambuffer output support Jun 12 08:29:20 oh, try plugging in usb Jun 12 08:29:30 i'm pretty sure that'll keep it out of suspend Jun 12 08:29:47 its not as classy though Jun 12 08:29:51 think its possible to stream the camera through vlc over evdo? Jun 12 08:30:07 probably Jun 12 08:30:50 in that case... anyone known of a driver that can take a vlc stream and connect it to windows as a webcam Jun 12 08:30:50 ? Jun 12 08:31:26 that ive never heard of Jun 12 08:31:32 hm... seem to have run out of room on my /opt loop trying to install vlc Jun 12 08:32:36 zinge: I'll need access to a pre to debug that scp problem further Jun 12 08:32:45 but need to do other stuff now Jun 12 08:32:48 okay Jun 12 08:33:06 sounds good. I don't need it, I was just trying it out for anyone else who does Jun 12 08:33:17 thx - I'm interested in sorting it out Jun 12 08:33:19 can we play the v4l stream yet? Jun 12 08:33:26 Hello, maybe this has been reported already but the link to Dropbear on the wiki is no longer good Jun 12 08:33:36 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/dropbear_0.52-3_arm.ipk Jun 12 08:33:36 ipkg install dropbear_0.52-3_arm.ipk Jun 12 08:33:36 is not valid Jun 12 08:34:00 it's 52-4 Jun 12 08:34:05 needs changed... Jun 12 08:34:15 I will change it and try again Jun 12 08:34:51 we should use a script like: Jun 12 08:35:08 feed=http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable Jun 12 08:35:21 ipk_name=`wget -qO- $feed/Packages | awk '/^Filename: dropbear/ {print $2}'` Jun 12 08:35:27 wget $feed/$ipk_name Jun 12 08:35:29 yup ... changing the 3 to a 4 in the link works fine, thank you Jun 12 08:36:08 holy crap this customer has a 209GB apache error log Jun 12 08:36:08 as long as its pretty slow in here... can someone tell me how to resize the optware.ext3 file that I'm using for my looped /opt? I know I need to unmount it and probably do something with dd? Jun 12 08:36:15 hopefully the wiki won't have a wget for dropbear much longer. we should install ipkg-opt first, and then use that to install dropbear Jun 12 08:36:41 and the bootstrap script to install ipkg-opt will use the stanza above to track the latest version of ipkg-opt to use Jun 12 08:37:12 repeat the DD command with a higher count=, I believ Jun 12 08:37:20 zinge: there should be ext3 resize tools in the optware feed Jun 12 08:37:24 hmm.. here's another fun piece to be cautious of. If you use the webOS DR. to repair it takes you through the initial setup again. make sure you have a nice cell signal (I"m on an airave and the 1x data is taking forever). Jun 12 08:37:26 ok Jun 12 08:37:34 e2fsprogs Jun 12 08:37:42 or e2tools Jun 12 08:38:01 check in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/Packages.filelist (12M file) Jun 12 08:38:08 rawdr: won't repeating the dd command erase the contents of the file as well though? Jun 12 08:38:13 rwhitby: okay, thanks Jun 12 08:38:55 * rwhitby bbl Jun 12 08:39:06 how long does it take to rm a 209GB file. hmmm Jun 12 08:39:23 joshua, what file system Jun 12 08:39:31 the flash is not particularly fast with writes Jun 12 08:39:50 hes on ext3, just finished Jun 12 08:39:58 guess i'll disable logging. heh Jun 12 08:40:00 geist, how did you guys get around the MTD? Jun 12 08:40:05 MMC flash Jun 12 08:40:09 geist, business didn't clamp down on cost? Jun 12 08:40:17 ? Jun 12 08:40:30 from what we've seen MMC flash is more costly than mtd Jun 12 08:40:38 i dunno Jun 12 08:40:48 i think the industry is moving towards that Jun 12 08:40:50 ~2-3% more costly Jun 12 08:40:56 since it hides all the implementation details from the end user Jun 12 08:41:09 yeah, but there are a lot of crappy implementations that don't write level well Jun 12 08:41:13 and from what i can tell linux MTD is not really ready to deal with massive nands Jun 12 08:41:18 can I view the apps from the ROM, or does one need to scp them from the Pre? Jun 12 08:41:28 especially the new multilevel cell stuff Jun 12 08:41:31 512 != massive Jun 12 08:41:39 ? Jun 12 08:41:51 where did you get 512 from? Jun 12 08:41:57 Could have sworn I've seen much bigger than 512 nands Jun 12 08:42:14 uhy yeah, like the 8GB that's in the pre Jun 12 08:42:47 trouble is with the newer MLC nand flash the geometry gets much more complicated Jun 12 08:42:52 and each vendor does it differently Jun 12 08:43:05 a lot of the old wear levelling algorithms just dont apply anymore Jun 12 08:43:21 geist, I was talking about the rootfs. Jun 12 08:43:33 so, either you spool up an entire team to hack your own wear levelling, spend a ton of time on it, or you just take the hit and use mmc flash Jun 12 08:43:38 Sargun: it's all or nothing Jun 12 08:44:00 geist, yeah, in the industry I'm in, we're pushed to figure out write levelling, but most of our stuff is read only Jun 12 08:44:04 and very little writes Jun 12 08:44:13 MLC flash makes it much more complicated Jun 12 08:44:16 s/and/or/ Jun 12 08:44:27 last i checked the current state of the art in linux kernel isn't quite ready for it, and definitely not in .24 Jun 12 08:44:40 yaffs2, etc doesn't scale to 8GB yet Jun 12 08:44:56 Sometimes I wonder why I bother trying to do so much in chroots Jun 12 08:45:52 chrisa, hehe Jun 12 08:45:55 i got started in file system work years ago at Be, i know better than to dive into hacking full nand wear levelling. it is quite a bit of engineering Jun 12 08:46:15 geist, yeah, it's not fun Jun 12 08:46:46 I think I especially hate chroots when the sole reason I'm making one is for a 32bit sanctuary within a 64bit kernel Jun 12 08:47:12 chrisa, don't most programs have lib32 compat Jun 12 08:47:54 There's always that one thing you need that doesn't Jun 12 08:50:15 how do I kill dropbear so I can umount my /opt loop? Jun 12 08:50:59 i'm assuming thats why is says "device or resource busy" when I try to umount Jun 12 08:51:15 Are you in /opt while trying to umount it? Jun 12 08:51:23 doh Jun 12 08:51:25 dumb mistake Jun 12 08:51:40 nope; still budy Jun 12 08:51:51 busy( Jun 12 08:51:52 * Jun 12 08:51:59 Does anyone know if you can get flash lite as a consumer? Jun 12 08:52:02 yeah happened to me, wasn't sure what to do. ended up rebooting Jun 12 08:52:30 meh; fine. that takes forever, but it does work. Jun 12 08:52:44 someone here must know a command to tell what process is keeping it busy Jun 12 08:53:02 top Jun 12 08:53:04 ? Jun 12 08:53:05 I normally use lsof, but I can't recall if that's on the device Jun 12 08:53:15 its not.. Jun 12 08:53:22 I'm pretty sure it was dropbear; its the only thing I think I would have been running out of .opt Jun 12 08:53:41 in my case I couldn't figure out what it was. dropbear was gone Jun 12 08:53:52 the /opt folder was even empty Jun 12 08:54:40 doesn't look like lsof is included but theres fuser Jun 12 08:55:32 you can perhaps also try `fuser` instead of lsof Jun 12 08:56:01 much more lightweight Jun 12 08:56:32 ah, joshua just said that Jun 12 08:57:14 thanks for the tip Jun 12 08:57:35 geist, are you guys doing green threading in Luna/java between cards? Jun 12 08:57:42 geist, or are they "real" threads? Jun 12 09:00:05 my head hurts. I just restarted to I could resize my /opt mount with resize2fs which I just downloaded.... to my /opt loop. Argghhh Jun 12 09:00:52 move the binary to /tmp after you install it Jun 12 09:00:59 or something Jun 12 09:01:08 thats what I'm doing now Jun 12 09:01:22 hopefully if I don't start dropbear, I can umount without restarting Jun 12 09:02:00 yup, much better Jun 12 09:02:54 error while loading shared libraries Jun 12 09:03:42 bah; I'll just cp the whole /opt/sbin to /tmp for now Jun 12 09:03:49 hehe Jun 12 09:05:31 ok, this is probably a stupid mistake; but why does cp /opt/sbin/ /tmp/sbin/ give me an opmitting directory '.opt/sbin' error? Jun 12 09:06:35 add -r flag Jun 12 09:06:43 for recursive Jun 12 09:06:52 cp will copy files, not folders unless you tell it to Jun 12 09:07:22 thanks. like i said dumb. I'm really forgetting linux stuff I knew 3 months ago Jun 12 09:09:20 aaaannnd that didn't work. I guess its looking for the libraries somewhere in /opt which I have to umount to resize. Jun 12 09:10:03 so now i need to install resize2fs to somewhere thats not in /opt I guess? Jun 12 09:10:21 sorry, I know this isn't really webos stuff. I'll go google things if this is bothering anyone Jun 12 09:10:41 zinge: you don't have a linux system anywhere else do ya? Jun 12 09:10:41 if it were me I think I would just copy /opt to /opt1, recreate the partition, remount opt, and move the contents back Jun 12 09:11:11 if you could get the file off it would be easier to work on outside of the pre. heh Jun 12 09:11:24 joshua: i had a debian vm on my laptop a few months ago for class, but dumped it 'cause it took up too much space Jun 12 09:11:29 i know Jun 12 09:11:50 run openwrt in the vm :P that won't use much space ;) Jun 12 09:11:57 you could make a second larger image and just rsync them Jun 12 09:12:16 no, I mean I dumped vmware :-) Jun 12 09:12:28 yeah, i think I'll just do that Jun 12 09:12:36 make new image with dd, format, mount somewhere, rsync /opt/ /tmp/opt/ Jun 12 09:12:36 thanks Jun 12 09:13:10 /tmp/opt/ being the larger image Jun 12 09:13:16 I would think mmc would make increasing storage much simpler as well Jun 12 09:13:47 zinge: resize2fs didn't work? Jun 12 09:14:02 not while /opt was mounted Jun 12 09:14:25 ah, your doing it on the device Jun 12 09:14:31 yeah Jun 12 09:14:35 i don't have a linux box handy Jun 12 09:14:44 unfortunatley live resize only works with lvm Jun 12 09:15:20 is there a reason we did dropbear instead of openssh? more lightweight? Jun 12 09:15:41 isn't there a way to use dm with files like loop does? Jun 12 09:17:34 if in dd I put "count=100 MB 1000*1000", will that give me a 100mb file? Jun 12 09:17:41 or am I reading the man wrong? Jun 12 09:18:01 zinge: count=100 bs=1M Jun 12 09:18:03 no Jun 12 09:18:12 yeah, like that Jun 12 09:18:18 k, thanks Jun 12 09:18:26 count counts the number of blocks Jun 12 09:18:55 yeah, but on the man page it said "BLOCKS and BYTES may be followed by the following multiplicative suffixes: xM M, c 1, w 2, b 512, kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1000*1000, M 1024*1024, GB 1000*1000*1000, G 1024*1024*1024, and so on for T, P, E, Z, Y." Jun 12 09:18:57 so I figured that might work Jun 12 09:18:59 thanks though Jun 12 09:19:23 count=1 bs=100M hehe Jun 12 09:19:44 if you have enough ram Jun 12 09:20:27 there doesn't seem to be any optimization for empty files (not sparse, zero) Jun 12 09:20:47 I usually use blocks of 8M Jun 12 09:21:54 if there was only some growable image format we could use Jun 12 09:22:08 so if we use ipkg-opt, we have to prefix all commands with /usr/bin? Jun 12 09:22:22 can we add it to the path or something? Jun 12 09:22:26 add /usr/bin or /usr/sbin to path Jun 12 09:22:26 oh but the point of using the disk image in the first place was to not fill up the device. heh Jun 12 09:22:27 yeah Jun 12 09:22:27 that should be in the path Jun 12 09:23:28 export $PATH /opt/bin? Jun 12 09:23:50 hi. Jun 12 09:24:00 am I doing that wrong? says bad variable name Jun 12 09:24:02 Hi Jun 12 09:24:08 Now i'm getting the input/output error when I try to mkdir in the new .opt Jun 12 09:24:14 export PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin i think is what you want Jun 12 09:24:20 thanks Jun 12 09:24:33 that adds /opt/bin onto the end of the current path Jun 12 09:24:45 Perfect. thanks Jun 12 09:25:00 zinge: even if you try to make a random directory? Jun 12 09:25:20 mkdir test1 cannot create director input output error Jun 12 09:25:24 I don't know why I got that before. even recreated the .ext3 file and remounted. didn't work til I rebooted and then recreated again Jun 12 09:25:26 what would happen if /media/internal was ext3? Jun 12 09:25:43 wouldn't be visible to windows right? Jun 12 09:25:49 so just remount and reboot and it should hopefully work? Jun 12 09:25:54 it wouldn't work on windows without an ifs driver but some people might not care Jun 12 09:26:09 I recreated optware.ext3, remounted, and didn't work. so I rebooted and THEN recreated it all again Jun 12 09:26:16 I just wonder what webos would do Jun 12 09:26:16 ok Jun 12 09:26:29 tmzt, yeah... was assuming you meant why didn't palm, but yeah, would probably work Jun 12 09:26:42 tmzt, you'd have to change /etc/fstab Jun 12 09:26:54 ok Jun 12 09:27:03 no I didn't mean Palm Jun 12 09:27:15 yeah I get it now Jun 12 09:27:57 I assume the media mode relies on it as well as linux doesn't have an hfs+ rw driver, and I don't think hfs+ formatted iPods work on windows anyway Jun 12 09:28:33 rawdr: restarted and remounted and it works find now, thanks. Didn't even have to recreate the file Jun 12 09:29:53 it doesn't make any sense that you should have to reboot Jun 12 09:30:12 it could just be fstab or the path or something else Jun 12 09:31:13 should have just been able to remount it Jun 12 09:31:25 wonder if anything was in dmesg when you get that error Jun 12 09:31:36 I'll check if it happens again Jun 12 09:32:10 me forgetting syntax again; why does " cp -r /opt.temp /opt" create /opt/opt.temp instead of copy from /opt.temp to /opt? Jun 12 09:32:29 because you forgot the trailing slash Jun 12 09:32:47 on /opt or /opt.temp? Jun 12 09:32:53 cp -r /opt.temp/ /opt/ Jun 12 09:32:57 might as well do both. heh Jun 12 09:33:05 well Jun 12 09:33:11 cp -r /opt.temp/* /opt/* Jun 12 09:33:20 i was thinking rsync Jun 12 09:33:38 rsync -av /opt.temp/ /opt/ Jun 12 09:33:40 doesn't like the stars Jun 12 09:33:58 cp -R then oops. hah... its been a long light Jun 12 09:34:10 trailing slashes on both still copies into /opt.opt.temp Jun 12 09:34:10 ohhh Jun 12 09:34:21 this isn't bash, maybe it doesn't like * Jun 12 09:34:48 just use rsync, its easier and preserves users and permissions Jun 12 09:34:58 gave up and used rsync Jun 12 09:35:01 thanks Jun 12 09:35:12 rsync rules :) Jun 12 09:35:23 okay, so after an hour of fumbling around..... I should now have a slightly larger /opt :-) Jun 12 09:35:49 hehe Jun 12 09:35:53 asterisk worked for me I thought Jun 12 09:36:12 oh, come on! Jun 12 09:36:19 I no longer have an evdo connection Jun 12 09:36:28 gah Jun 12 09:36:32 what happened? Jun 12 09:36:39 speaking of which, has anyone tried asterisk on the pre yet? it should be in optware Jun 12 09:36:43 thank you all for your help, everything is working is working the way it should be, I look forward to seeing what else uncovered, goodnight Jun 12 09:36:48 nothing. its just not on evdo Jun 12 09:37:11 rwhitby: if phone is asoc that should be fairly simple Jun 12 09:37:15 full sprint signal, just not showing data symbol Jun 12 09:37:31 if you go to the phone app's preferences and choose update network settings, it sometimes finds a good signal again Jun 12 09:37:34 although I don't know what kind of driver it would need Jun 12 09:38:11 trying that now joshua, thanks Jun 12 09:38:20 to dial, receive dtmf, etc. Jun 12 09:38:44 joshua: that fixed it, evdo;s back up Jun 12 09:39:05 i found that last night. I had like 1 or 2 bars and it went up to full strength after that Jun 12 09:39:28 still waiting for lsusb -v -v on the device to find out some more about modem Jun 12 09:39:34 seems like a bug; I had 5 bars, just no data icon. everyone in a while it seems to go away for no good reason Jun 12 09:39:55 maybe it finds a new tower or something, no idea Jun 12 09:40:08 that's what doctor restore is supposed to be for Jun 12 09:40:10 the pre is spaz with its cell connection Jun 12 09:40:23 maybe it dosent switch towers cleanly Jun 12 09:40:28 aggravating. roaming one second then 4 bars sprint signal a minute later Jun 12 09:40:37 this is the sprint server or pmphone? Jun 12 09:40:46 pmphone? Jun 12 09:40:48 hoping thats a software issue they can fix in an update Jun 12 09:40:52 same here Jun 12 09:40:57 rawdr: that sounds like you need prl update Jun 12 09:41:03 eri Jun 12 09:42:04 eri is in the nvfs I think Jun 12 09:42:36 I assume that's internal flash on msm68xx Jun 12 09:43:16 why do I have to re-enable telnet after I reboot my pre? webos-sshenabler script in event.d not good enough? Jun 12 09:43:35 if I had the lsusb I could possibly help troubleshoot this Jun 12 09:44:01 though I'm guessing the logs we need aren't being put on the filesystem Jun 12 09:44:25 in event.d? should be Jun 12 09:44:46 does upstart use runlevels as well? symlinks Jun 12 09:44:49 when I type initctl start webos-sshenabler it opens the port and starts sshd fine.... but isn't happening automatically Jun 12 09:45:11 could developer mode being on bypass start scripts?... doubt it cause the rest of the phone still functions Jun 12 09:45:12 it that the new script? Jun 12 09:45:28 new? don't know. just took one from the web and changed dropbear to sshd Jun 12 09:45:39 rawdr: are you using the loop /opt? Jun 12 09:46:03 oh, the new one should be in wiki now Jun 12 09:46:03 reboot kills the mount Jun 12 09:46:05 does yours loop when telnetd dies? Jun 12 09:46:11 thats right zinge, thanks Jun 12 09:46:41 shouldn't a script be remounting loop? Jun 12 09:46:50 I just need to fstab it Jun 12 09:46:54 I assume... Jun 12 09:47:07 my $PATH additions were wiped out also I think.... Jun 12 09:47:13 not loop Jun 12 09:47:20 doesn't work well Jun 12 09:47:25 what do you mean? Jun 12 09:47:44 yeah mean use loop as an option in fstab? Jun 12 09:47:49 I guess Jun 12 09:48:06 that was my first instinct. Jun 12 09:48:14 thought there would be a probling finding loop device Jun 12 09:48:22 maybe not, sorry Jun 12 09:48:37 what's the name of the wiki page that talks about transfering files Jun 12 09:48:38 we'll see.... Jun 12 09:49:04 that's right, the mount order has to be correct Jun 12 09:50:14 depending on the command initscripts use it could be ignoring failed mounts, without /media/internal being mounted first you can't mount the loopfs on it Jun 12 09:50:17 it'd be nice if someone could write a script and add it to the wiki under the ipkg-opt instructions for remounting /opt after a reboot Jun 12 09:50:35 and restarting the webos-sshendabler script once it mounts Jun 12 09:50:45 upstart is designed for this though, it responds to events Jun 12 09:51:05 and you can have dependencies of sorts Jun 12 09:51:13 i think rwhitby was gonna try and get dkelson to write the upstart script Jun 12 09:51:44 a script with mount -o loop and -e?? check might work better Jun 12 09:51:59 and the optware stuff could depend on it Jun 12 09:52:50 ::shrug:: I think someone was gonna work on it tommorrow. you're welcome to do it if you feel like it, I just don't know how Jun 12 09:53:17 plus I'm trying feverishly to get this vlc thing working before I fall asleep Jun 12 09:53:27 I would just look at ubuntu :) Jun 12 09:53:38 for? Jun 12 09:53:42 vlc? on framebuffer? Jun 12 09:53:48 upstart hints Jun 12 09:53:54 ah Jun 12 09:54:19 I have a line that should work once I play with it a little bit I think "/opt/bin/vlc v4l2:// :v4l2-dev=/dev/video0 :v4l2-adev=/dev/dsp :v4l2-standard=0 :sout="#transcode{vcodec=mp4v,vb=800,scale=1,acodec=mpga,ab=12 8, channels=2}:duplicate{dst=std{access=http,mux=ts,dst=localhost:9091}}"" Jun 12 09:54:37 oy; the smilies and html are killing that code Jun 12 09:54:39 oh well Jun 12 09:54:43 I'll play with it Jun 12 09:54:46 there might not be oss emulation Jun 12 09:55:07 the first error I'm getting is Failed to connect to the D-Bus session daemon Jun 12 09:55:10 not for me, irssi doesn't have graphical smilies Jun 12 09:55:25 mibbit does Jun 12 09:56:40 probably change to alsa or pulseaudio Jun 12 09:56:57 dbus? Jun 12 09:57:19 won't work well without X anymore Jun 12 09:57:20 just interface problems; ignoring all that because I don't care about the interface, afaik Jun 12 09:57:24 it has pulseaudio running Jun 12 09:57:32 main access out error: no sout access module matched "http" Jun 12 09:57:37 if the first one that I need to worry about Jun 12 09:57:41 is* Jun 12 09:57:47 I think it's trying to export a control interface over dbus Jun 12 09:58:00 I'm just ignoring all that because I don;t care about the interface Jun 12 09:58:05 you should be able to use --intf to stop that Jun 12 09:58:09 ok Jun 12 09:58:12 ok Jun 12 09:58:22 seems like i should be able to use cvlc to stop it Jun 12 09:58:28 but it doesn't work Jun 12 09:59:01 I think you use --intf curses or telnet Jun 12 09:59:53 oh yeah, cvlc should work Jun 12 10:00:08 cvlc gives me the error and then says starting dummy interface, so its fine Jun 12 10:00:25 I think you can ignore it Jun 12 10:00:28 yeah Jun 12 10:00:39 first problem is "main access out error: no sout access module matched "http"" Jun 12 10:00:40 but you can't do much with dummy only Jun 12 10:00:49 that's it Jun 12 10:01:01 ? Jun 12 10:01:16 it's either missing the library or doesn't like the codec, packetizer, etc. Jun 12 10:01:22 right Jun 12 10:01:27 probably just missing the library Jun 12 10:01:30 that's the real error I mean Jun 12 10:01:38 no, i know. thers a couple of them Jun 12 10:01:42 I'm working on that one first Jun 12 10:01:54 how do I install the other recommended packages from ipkg-opt? Jun 12 10:02:39 are you trying to bind to localhost only? Jun 12 10:03:12 hmm... i guess I am but I don't want to? Jun 12 10:03:32 I copied the line from a guy who streamed his eeepc webcam over vlc Jun 12 10:03:39 figured i'd start with that and work from there Jun 12 10:03:51 kust use the port then Jun 12 10:04:09 dst=9091? Jun 12 10:04:35 you also have the problem that the combined form doesn't always work and you might do better using the long form of http options Jun 12 10:04:38 :9091 Jun 12 10:05:00 ok Jun 12 10:05:06 I did this trying to get mvpmc to work in the past, also on optware/oe Jun 12 10:05:07 i would try and play a video file with vlc to see if that works before atreaming and transcoding stuff Jun 12 10:05:14 yeah Jun 12 10:05:42 try and play a video to what? Jun 12 10:05:45 vlc -I usually helps Jun 12 10:05:51 null? Jun 12 10:06:37 play it to the framebuffer device, if there is one you can just use. heh Jun 12 10:06:47 actually for what your doing gstreamer might work better Jun 12 10:06:49 howd that guy get doom working on framebuffer Jun 12 10:06:56 not any simpler though Jun 12 10:08:01 prboom/sdl? Jun 12 10:08:45 yeah i think thats what he used Jun 12 10:09:39 sdl should fallback to framebuffer if DISPLAY is unset Jun 12 10:10:44 how do I get the packages that were recommended from ipkg-opt for vlc? I can't even play mp3's yet since I don't think I got any of the codecs Jun 12 10:11:26 depends Print uninstalled package dependencies for Jun 12 10:12:51 i guess it doesn't have a way to automatically install everything Jun 12 10:13:05 ipkg list_available I think Jun 12 10:13:05 yeah, ipkg is not too smart Jun 12 10:13:13 bah Jun 12 10:13:13 ok Jun 12 10:13:15 that shows what's installed Jun 12 10:13:19 this may take a few minutes, thanks Jun 12 10:13:19 rwhitby: is opkg any better? Jun 12 10:13:20 its like halfway between dpkg and apt-get Jun 12 10:13:29 tmzt: same feature set mainly Jun 12 10:13:45 more c code I think Jun 12 10:13:53 angstrom uses it now Jun 12 10:14:34 just checked, opkg doesn't do recommends either Jun 12 10:14:40 Kwi 16 Jun 12 10:15:02 tmzt: openwrt uses opkg now too Jun 12 10:15:16 optware hasn't caught up yet Jun 12 10:15:40 hehe Jun 12 10:15:46 so does angstrom Jun 12 10:15:54 what does the pre use built-in to play video? Jun 12 10:16:06 openmax? Jun 12 10:16:44 i think it has some kinda gstreamer based thing... somebody play a youtube and run top Jun 12 10:16:46 I guess csmi stuff is in the kernel and not exposed to user space Jun 12 10:16:49 how to I at least get the list of recommends to show up again? Jun 12 10:16:54 dsp gateway, etc. Jun 12 10:16:55 it showed up the first time i installed vlc Jun 12 10:17:22 joshua: tcp? why? Jun 12 10:17:27 zinge maybe ipkg info Jun 12 10:17:27 mediaserver... Jun 12 10:17:35 playing an mp4 and running top give me mediaserver Jun 12 10:17:39 and pulseaudi Jun 12 10:17:40 or check the control file in /opt/lib/ipkg/info/vlc... Jun 12 10:17:41 and pulseaudio Jun 12 10:18:04 zinge: try 'ipkg depends vlc' Jun 12 10:18:21 joshua: depends would already be installed - he's talking recommends Jun 12 10:18:25 why would initctl all of a sudden not see the webos-sshenabler script? says not found and doesn't show in list Jun 12 10:18:34 ahhh my bad Jun 12 10:18:39 codecs were not included in depends, only recommends Jun 12 10:18:53 zinge: did evdo start working again for you? Jun 12 10:18:54 and access modules? Jun 12 10:19:00 yeah Jun 12 10:19:08 updating network thing in phone prefs fixed it Jun 12 10:19:26 ipkg-opt info vlc shows me the list of suggests, btw Jun 12 10:20:12 can I do ipkg-opt install thing1 thing2 thing3 etc? Jun 12 10:20:20 or do I have to do each seperately Jun 12 10:20:30 you can list multiple Jun 12 10:21:04 (even though ipkg-opt --help doesn't say that) Jun 12 10:21:30 I'm just gonna install all of the suggests except the dvd stuff. hopefully I have enough space Jun 12 10:21:50 http://predev.wikidot.com/doom Jun 12 10:21:55 what, you aren't gonna hook up a usb dvd player? heh Jun 12 10:22:20 ha. as soon as you get my pre to be a usb host Jun 12 10:22:23 was just thinking of that Jun 12 10:22:39 otg host? Jun 12 10:23:00 just need the right cable and a usb stick Jun 12 10:23:02 nicocin: how is bootloader going? Jun 12 10:23:03 does the chip support it? Jun 12 10:23:04 put extra files on it Jun 12 10:23:14 nite: Jun 12 10:23:18 ah Jun 12 10:24:07 do both ports on beagle support host? Jun 12 10:26:43 Sargun: that'll be the first time a doom on a new device has had full instructions up before the youtube got on the news blogs ... Jun 12 10:26:54 rwhitby, yeah, I did it especially for you. Jun 12 10:27:08 ;-P Jun 12 10:27:16 I'm humbled. Jun 12 10:27:19 (I was being a little sarcastic there, don't be flattered) Jun 12 10:27:20 so, does the ui have to be stopped to play doom? Jun 12 10:27:36 tmzt, good point, forgot that Jun 12 10:27:57 does it overwrite the screen, compete for updates, etc? Jun 12 10:28:05 huh, fbset? Jun 12 10:28:31 zinge: does vlc play through fbdev? Jun 12 10:28:38 or mplayer Jun 12 10:28:40 installed all the suggests and not getting codec warnings anymore... vlc just doesn't show anything after "using dummy interface module" when I try to play an mp3 Jun 12 10:28:43 tmzt, mplayer Jun 12 10:28:49 not sure, how do I try that? Jun 12 10:28:57 just try playing Jun 12 10:29:02 vlc whatever Jun 12 10:29:12 mplayer -o fbdev whatever Jun 12 10:29:26 I can't get it to use fbdev, but I can use directfb Jun 12 10:29:52 it does nothing when using fbdev? Jun 12 10:29:57 Nothing Jun 12 10:30:02 or can't set the reolution? Jun 12 10:30:04 is there a device in /dev/ for fbdev Jun 12 10:30:14 tmzt, kills wifi actually Jun 12 10:30:19 if I use this "su - preuser -c /opt/bin/cvlc "/media/internal/Music/Portal - Sti ll Alive.mp3"" it seems to work, but nothing really happens Jun 12 10:30:44 zinge, output to pulseaudio? Jun 12 10:30:50 what about cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fbdev Jun 12 10:31:03 tmzt, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 Jun 12 10:31:06 yeah, try pa Jun 12 10:31:16 Sargun: learning vlc command line as I do all this Jun 12 10:31:21 what about cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 Jun 12 10:31:22 how do I output to pulseaudio? Jun 12 10:31:24 sorry Jun 12 10:31:26 tmzt, ten I get a random screen Jun 12 10:31:30 zinge, no idea Jun 12 10:31:32 good Jun 12 10:31:34 ok Jun 12 10:31:37 heh, ok Jun 12 10:31:42 I'll go try and look it up Jun 12 10:31:49 ah, vlc --help Jun 12 10:32:00 ya Jun 12 10:32:24 it's not --sout and I don't think it's --aout Jun 12 10:32:33 good night guys... and good luck Jun 12 10:32:35 bah, keep having to sudo vlc Jun 12 10:32:38 it won't run as root Jun 12 10:32:43 i don't know how to do the audio but 'vlc --vout fb --fbdev=/dev/fd0 somemoviefile.mp4' might work Jun 12 10:33:06 maybe it is --aout Jun 12 10:33:35 I don't remember where my video files are because I used itunes and it puts them in the stupid ipod control folders Jun 12 10:33:40 note to people: don't be afraid to run out of space Jun 12 10:33:48 on /, because we can resize Jun 12 10:33:48 i gotta try this crap myself instead of telling people to try stuff that probably doesn't work. heh Jun 12 10:34:01 joshua, do you have a pre? Jun 12 10:34:09 joshua: but that's fun Jun 12 10:34:34 Sargun: yeah, but i'm at work and didn't feel like setting it back up... i didn't put a backdoor on it yet Jun 12 10:34:36 Where is a good, minimalistic site to put a blog? Jun 12 10:34:48 blogspot probably Jun 12 10:34:56 or wordpress Jun 12 10:35:02 how do I get my history to still save once I su to my non-root account? Jun 12 10:36:01 the default shell didn't seem to use a home directory, if you used bash instead that might be easier Jun 12 10:37:21 if I try and use "su -preuser -c /opt/bin/cvlc --help" su gives me an error Jun 12 10:37:39 without the --help parameter it works fine Jun 12 10:38:01 su -u preuser, unless that was a typo Jun 12 10:38:21 try sh -c ' ' Jun 12 10:38:26 or just su - Jun 12 10:38:41 I think -- might also work Jun 12 10:38:46 I would just oh wait su -u preuser... thats sudo I am thinking of Jun 12 10:38:59 su - preuser Jun 12 10:39:02 crap my messages got mixed up... I need to go home and sleep Jun 12 10:39:09 got it; needed single quote after -c Jun 12 10:39:22 ok Jun 12 10:40:51 a storm somehow caused 60 of our servers to lose power. nice. Jun 12 10:41:21 company that runs the datacenter is gonna hear from my boss later. heh Jun 12 10:44:10 okay, so it is --aout for using a differnt audio output module Jun 12 10:44:23 do I just put pulseaudio as the ? Jun 12 10:44:57 joshua, nice. Jun 12 10:45:00 oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) Jun 12 10:46:20 maybe this would help but its from 2007 Jun 12 10:46:23 http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=42999&p=135077 Jun 12 10:47:06 nevermind, get vout working first, then aout Jun 12 10:47:11 alsa should world Jun 12 10:47:12 work Jun 12 10:49:01 su - preuser -c '/opt/bin/cvlc --aout alsa "/media/internal/Music /Portal - Still Alive.mp3"' ? Jun 12 10:49:31 okay, I'll move an mp4 somewhere easy and try vout Jun 12 10:50:59 pulse Jun 12 10:51:02 not alsa Jun 12 10:51:11 I don't get why do you mess with such crap like vlc Jun 12 10:51:19 unless the plugin is in .asoundrc Jun 12 10:51:24 gstreamer ftw Jun 12 10:51:25 pocek: why? Jun 12 10:51:32 me? I'm trying to eventually stream the mic and camera over evdo Jun 12 10:51:44 this is mostly to test framebuffer and camera I think Jun 12 10:52:02 pocek: does gstream support http server yet? Jun 12 10:52:24 or do you have to use icecast or similar Jun 12 10:52:50 tmzt: streaming over http? of course Jun 12 10:53:27 http server? Jun 12 10:53:44 su - preuser -c '/opt/bin/cvlc --vout fb --fbdev=/dev/fd0 "/media/internal/test.mp4"' - fb video output error: cannot get terminal mode (invalid argument) Jun 12 10:54:00 ok Jun 12 10:54:09 probably a permissions issue Jun 12 10:54:15 tmzt: I guess yes, it's only a matter of plugins Jun 12 10:54:40 companies like fluendo use it heavily for streaming Jun 12 10:55:03 permissions issue meaning something I can chmod to fix? Jun 12 10:55:29 yes Jun 12 10:55:44 or add yourself to a group if it exists Jun 12 10:56:12 though I'm not sure the ioctl it really wants is there, but it should be Jun 12 10:56:26 not sure how to do that Jun 12 10:56:40 try chmod then Jun 12 10:56:48 udev will fix it later Jun 12 10:57:00 break it of course Jun 12 10:57:26 wait.... fd0 doesn't exist Jun 12 10:57:38 fb0 Jun 12 10:57:50 fd0 is the first floppy disk Jun 12 10:57:50 I copy/pasted from joshua Jun 12 10:57:51 oops Jun 12 10:58:29 do I chmod fb0? Jun 12 10:58:29 fb video output error: cannot get terminal mode (Invalid argument) Jun 12 10:58:59 yes Jun 12 10:59:10 still getting the error Jun 12 10:59:12 rw for preuser at least Jun 12 10:59:28 fbset Jun 12 10:59:47 mode "320x480-62" # D: 10.667 MHz, H: 30.305 kHz, V: 62.100 Hz geometry 320 480 320 1920 32 timings 93744 16 12 3 3 4 2 rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,8/24 endmode Jun 12 11:00:20 same trick as android it looks like Jun 12 11:00:38 anyway we need to see if certain ioctls are there Jun 12 11:00:45 you are using ssh? Jun 12 11:01:06 novaproxy Jun 12 11:01:19 ok Jun 12 11:01:25 but not terminal Jun 12 11:01:31 chvt 7 Jun 12 11:02:13 now what? Jun 12 11:02:16 its sitting and waiting it looks like Jun 12 11:03:16 ui is gone? Jun 12 11:03:22 try vlc now Jun 12 11:03:24 no Jun 12 11:03:28 ui is still there Jun 12 11:03:33 shell is waiting Jun 12 11:03:38 chvt failed/hang? Jun 12 11:03:41 ah Jun 12 11:03:42 ya Jun 12 11:03:48 strace Jun 12 11:03:51 doesn't give me a prompt unless I ctrlc Jun 12 11:04:36 hangs on "ioctl(3, VIDIOC_S_COMP or VT_WAITACTIVE" Jun 12 11:05:03 yeah Jun 12 11:05:17 cat /proc/cmdline Jun 12 11:05:30 sorry, can't look it up right now Jun 12 11:06:02 what am I looking for in /pro/cmdline? Jun 12 11:06:34 fbcon Jun 12 11:06:42 disable Jun 12 11:06:47 yeah Jun 12 11:07:01 btw, just tell me if you don't feel like doing this. thanks so much for helping me out this far Jun 12 11:08:38 GRR Jun 12 11:08:41 I hate youtube Jun 12 11:09:10 well, the fbcon=disable could be a problem here Jun 12 11:09:11 ... it doesn't like you either? Jun 12 11:09:19 okay Jun 12 11:09:23 or it could be something else Jun 12 11:09:32 can you stop sysmgr? Jun 12 11:09:35 luna Jun 12 11:10:11 yeah Jun 12 11:10:24 me or Sargun ? Jun 12 11:10:29 tmzt, Jun 12 11:10:33 yeah @ tmzt Jun 12 11:10:52 zinge: you Jun 12 11:11:25 just kill it? Jun 12 11:12:00 no Jun 12 11:12:05 initctl Jun 12 11:13:05 someone remind me to write up the original hack as well Jun 12 11:13:35 initctl: (06411/708758544) Unable to send message: Connection refused Jun 12 11:13:38 think i formatted the line wrong Jun 12 11:13:58 initctl stop --pid=3703 Jun 12 11:14:22 initctl stop LunaSysMrg Jun 12 11:14:23 initctl stop LunaSysMgr Jun 12 11:14:30 thanks Jun 12 11:14:38 Sargun: original? Jun 12 11:14:49 ok, stopped Jun 12 11:14:51 Tene! Jun 12 11:14:56 tmzt, how we got root. Jun 12 11:14:58 root stuff is in the logs Jun 12 11:15:03 yeah Jun 12 11:15:24 zinge: okay, vlc again? Jun 12 11:15:26 okay, that def killed luna Jun 12 11:15:31 ok, gimme a sec Jun 12 11:16:05 still same problem Jun 12 11:16:22 su - preuser -c '/opt/bin/cvlc --vout fb --fbdev=/dev/fb0 "/media/internal/test.mp4"' Jun 12 11:16:29 fb video output error: cannot get terminal mode (Invalid argument) Jun 12 11:16:29 wtf Jun 12 11:16:34 zinge, don't you sleep? Jun 12 11:16:47 crap; its 4:15am... Jun 12 11:16:50 I will in a few min Jun 12 11:16:57 I don't start work for another week Jun 12 11:16:57 oh that makes sense Jun 12 11:17:02 i'm east coast Jun 12 11:17:11 i was like...dude it's 7 am Jun 12 11:17:13 ah. I normally am. wc for the summer Jun 12 11:17:42 same thing Jun 12 11:17:57 LarrySteeze: wanna help out? I'm trying to get vlc to play video/audio so eventually I can stream the mic and webcam over evdo Jun 12 11:17:58 so it's missing Jun 12 11:18:47 fbcon=disable still Jun 12 11:19:12 yeah, we can't change that yet Jun 12 11:21:04 make sure you disable a vt Jun 12 11:21:11 Getting directfb working was actually fairly trivial, because palm uses it for their testing. The /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr file, it had the line: exec /var/mft/usr/bin/ted -m --dfb:no-vt --dfb:no-cursor --dfb:bg-color=00000000 --dfb:pixelformat=ARGB. I was able to dervice the directfb options from there. Jun 12 11:21:12 wb LarrySteeze Jun 12 11:21:24 anyways, sleep... 3 hours of sleep, but sleep nonetheles Jun 12 11:21:25 s Jun 12 11:21:37 no-vt Jun 12 11:22:03 ? Jun 12 11:22:31 that's why dfb works and vlc doesn't I think Jun 12 11:23:33 so many android and web os people Jun 12 11:23:33 ok. so what does that mean? Jun 12 11:24:55 Sargun: where are you going to announce DOOM? Jun 12 11:26:46 zinge: it's looking for and ioctl that tests if the current vt is a console or something like that Jun 12 11:26:58 ok Jun 12 11:27:18 the no-vt option apparently prevents directfb from calling that or allocating a new vt Jun 12 11:27:53 would you be able to try mplayer? Jun 12 11:28:01 sure Jun 12 11:28:04 is it on ipkg-opt? Jun 12 11:28:11 i think i checked before and it wasn't Jun 12 11:28:22 there should also be a sdl driver for vlc, weird Jun 12 11:28:34 oh, maybe not Jun 12 11:28:44 try mplayer-arm though Jun 12 11:28:45 that's interesting; I can initctl start LunaSysMgr and the phone now responds again just fine. maybe we can start/stop LunaSysMgr instead of rebooting when making changes? Jun 12 11:28:49 k Jun 12 11:29:08 maybe Jun 12 11:29:16 you mean the evdo thing? Jun 12 11:29:17 no mplayer-arm on ipkg-opt Jun 12 11:29:43 vlc -l Jun 12 11:29:53 evdo thing? no, I mean when PreGame and such were making app and launcher changes and complaining about having to reboot Jun 12 11:30:05 see if sdl is in there Jun 12 11:30:13 yes, that should work Jun 12 11:30:52 uhh... forgot a sing quote and now its giving me a > prompt i can't get out of Jun 12 11:30:55 single* Jun 12 11:31:04 su - preuser -c '/opt/bin/vlc -l Jun 12 11:31:37 ctrl-c won't break out of it Jun 12 11:31:48 ctrl-d Jun 12 11:31:51 or ' Jun 12 11:31:57 thanks Jun 12 11:32:48 what am I looking for? sdl? Jun 12 11:32:57 yes Jun 12 11:35:10 nope, no sld Jun 12 11:35:12 sdl* Jun 12 11:35:28 other plugins? Jun 12 11:35:31 i cant find Drag up to unlock anywhere in the rootfs Jun 12 11:35:32 wtf Jun 12 11:35:47 what other plugins are you looking for? Jun 12 11:35:54 fb is in there Jun 12 11:36:49 outputs look like vmem, image, and fb Jun 12 11:37:20 has anyone disabled the screen lock yet, im looking into it Jun 12 11:37:23 strange Jun 12 11:39:16 alright, I give up for tonight. I gotta get to sleep. Thanks for everything tmzt. Jun 12 11:40:53 im guessing the screen lock is in native code somewhere grrr :( Jun 12 11:42:41 have a good weekend everyone, I'll be around only sporadicly, but will read the channel logs. Jun 12 12:07:18 lalal Jun 12 12:15:40 Sargun's on the top of engadget for getting doom running Jun 12 12:17:18 nice Jun 12 12:18:48 which begs the question, did anyone bother to get bterm or something similar running on the way to getting doom going? Jun 12 12:25:38 hmm Jun 12 12:27:35 lets get wine working on the pre Jun 12 12:27:57 so i can play wow Jun 12 12:31:51 you got an ARM build of WoW? Jun 12 12:41:03 should we expect turn by turn navigation for the pre other than sprint's? Jun 12 12:42:40 once there are other carriers, I'd say so Jun 12 12:42:43 I dont see why not Jun 12 12:43:17 as long as they can access the GPS, probably the SDK's ability would be the only thing that could stop something Jun 12 12:43:20 its up to the big companies right? Jun 12 12:43:30 I used it yesterday for the first time, it seemed fine Jun 12 12:43:41 Given that every (current) phone gets a free (decent) turn by turn navi software, there's not much market I'd guess Jun 12 12:43:53 yea Jun 12 12:43:57 we dont get such things in europe Jun 12 12:43:58 :P Jun 12 12:44:15 you get other stuff Jun 12 12:44:25 like phones that are compatible with any carrier Jun 12 12:44:33 while we get 3 carriers with locked phones and BS Jun 12 12:44:36 so! tradeoffs. Jun 12 12:44:37 any sexier women Jun 12 12:44:43 sure Jun 12 12:45:17 anyone poking around with flash yet or still to early.. Jun 12 12:45:25 I think tomtom already runs on linux, so it should be a trivial port for the euro market Jun 12 12:45:44 but it would be nice to have an OFFLINE gps solution Jun 12 12:46:09 meaning directions not requiring a lock on your current location? Jun 12 12:46:14 wouldnt google maps do that? or a website? Jun 12 12:46:25 naa meaning not needing a data signal Jun 12 12:46:26 meaning not requiring a data connection, I'm guessing Jun 12 12:49:10 yeah, tomtom already runs on arm linux, so I'm guessing that it'd take them the better part of a day to make it work Jun 12 12:49:20 probably not Jun 12 12:49:26 luna and its graphical stuff would be totally new Jun 12 12:49:47 will user apps have access to google maps? Jun 12 12:49:48 and where does tomtom run on linux? only on their embedded devices? Jun 12 12:50:04 http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl Jun 12 12:50:27 red: you can call google maps for directions Jun 12 12:50:49 is that what you are asking Jun 12 12:50:54 I'd like to see an option in google maps to call out to the sprint navi for driving directions Jun 12 12:51:19 i've missed all this week's action... downloading rom and rooting it now.. Jun 12 12:51:28 this.controller.serviceRequest('mojo://com.palm.applicationManager', { Jun 12 12:51:32 jwsh: that would be great! Jun 12 12:51:35 method: 'launch', Jun 12 12:51:35 parameters: { Jun 12 12:51:35 id: "com.palm.app.maps", Jun 12 12:51:35 params: { Jun 12 12:51:35 query: "950 W. Maude Ave, Sunnyvale,CA"} Jun 12 12:51:36 } Jun 12 12:51:38 } Jun 12 12:51:40 }); Jun 12 12:51:42 crap that didnt look like multiple lines when i apsted it Jun 12 12:51:44 sorry Jun 12 12:52:03 :( Jun 12 12:52:13 lol Jun 12 12:52:37 stop flooding the board!! are you a fem-bot? lol kidding Jun 12 12:52:51 the maps app is almost totally remote though, so it might not be easy to hack in there, and I can see google not wanting to add that themselves Jun 12 12:52:57 im trying to figure out if we can eventually have a turn-by-turn solution Jun 12 12:53:08 either by a company like tomtom or by a user Jun 12 12:53:31 you know there is sprint navigation on the phone right? Jun 12 12:53:34 I don't think there's any technical reason that the answer would be no. Jun 12 12:53:39 he's not in the US Jun 12 12:53:44 i tried the sprint tele-nav yesterday and it was great! Jun 12 12:53:44 he's scheming on 2010 solutions for europe Jun 12 12:53:45 ahh Jun 12 12:53:52 ie- he's bored. Jun 12 12:54:10 google maps strictly forbids hackign on turn by turn on it Jun 12 12:54:24 so you probably would get yelled at :) Jun 12 12:54:25 if not worse Jun 12 12:54:29 and data in europe = $$$$ Jun 12 12:54:54 start making a case for turn by turn installed on the phone Jun 12 12:55:00 i like that idea Jun 12 12:55:05 :P Jun 12 12:55:06 i hate having to have a data connection for gps Jun 12 12:55:49 we didnt even have widely available data connections in greece until the iphone came in Jun 12 12:56:48 lol i was just about to say.. i was really lost in athens one time.. my blackberry storm also needed data.. and i was SOL Jun 12 12:58:21 gps over data is great for non smartphones with limited storage Jun 12 12:58:39 but on something with 8 gigs of storage, just give us the maps and download updated directions if needed Jun 12 12:59:17 but with sometimes spotty service... ie mountains and places your not familiar with.. Offline maps would be nice Jun 12 12:59:44 As say made TomTom for the iPhone now I would gess they do it for the pre too when it comes over to europe Jun 12 13:00:31 TomTom is working on my PalmTX and that is a lot slower thaten the pre Jun 12 13:01:03 The Maps for Germany (in my case) are only about 250-300MB, so this should not be the problem Jun 12 13:04:14 yes Jun 12 13:09:06 iGO or Sygic could be nicer than tomtom Jun 12 13:18:09 k Jun 12 13:19:27 debian and doom somewhat running Jun 12 13:24:07 what are faceless apps ? Jun 12 13:24:42 no icons? command line? Jun 12 13:24:50 just a guess Jun 12 13:25:25 memo's apparently is a faceless app Jun 12 13:25:41 i was trying to run it in that "hack" to get the mojo framework up and running on the pc Jun 12 13:26:32 http://newcome.wordpress.com/ Jun 12 13:31:46 I was going to wiki the instructions on unhiding the developer mode icon, but now I can't find anyone remember where it was? Jun 12 13:32:24 kaerey: edit appinfo.json for the developer mode Jun 12 13:32:27 and set visible to true Jun 12 13:32:41 does that help or do you need more detail Jun 12 13:32:58 I should be ok. I just couldn't find the post with that file name Jun 12 13:56:31 This is weird. Has anyone else had an issue where the pre won't stay in usb drive or media sync mode? It shows the logo and black screen for about 10 seconds, then goes back to the home screen. Jun 12 14:00:07 i had that once and a reboot fixed it - not sure what was happening Jun 12 14:00:15 Hi. I saw you spoke about navigation softwares. Jun 12 14:00:43 Take a look on OpenStreetMap, eg. Navit Jun 12 14:02:42 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/OfflineRouters Jun 12 14:04:42 oh doh ! Jun 12 14:04:53 cp -R / /media/internal/backup was a bad idea Jun 12 14:06:04 What happened? Jun 12 14:06:14 it rebooted the phone Jun 12 14:06:15 lol Jun 12 14:06:19 bwhaha Jun 12 14:06:38 so how can i copy everything but /media/internal to /media/internal/backup Jun 12 14:08:31 I'm not sure about just a cp. I usually use tar to backup, but the version of tar on the pre seems different Jun 12 14:08:39 does it have rsync Jun 12 14:10:22 this sucks. I can't mount my pre anymore. A reboot didn't help. I put it in USB Drive mode and it just goes back to the home screen after a few seconds. Jun 12 14:11:01 did you modify anything? Jun 12 14:11:03 run the doctor? Jun 12 14:11:48 hello Jun 12 14:12:03 i just want to say great work on the doom guys!! Jun 12 14:12:27 no, I was wanting to avoid running doctor and wiping everything. The only mods I made were to delete nascar and add the new page buttons. Jun 12 14:13:51 ripper,hmm :( sorry did you try rebooting pc Jun 12 14:13:51 plugging into different usb port, different usb cable? Jun 12 14:14:41 Tried a couple of different computers, both windows and linux. I only have the oem cable that came with it for now. Looking for nay useful info in /var/log/messages on the pre right now. Jun 12 14:14:49 ill just try copying /usr then thats where most of the juicy shit is anyway Jun 12 14:15:58 Anyone wanna work on adding Tag support for apps in unversal search ? Jun 12 14:16:20 so you can tag an app like Spaz or Tweed or both, to respond to a search for Twitter, or T Jun 12 14:16:29 rather than having to type Spaz or Tweed Jun 12 14:17:05 i think we have enough code in usr\lib\luna\system\luna-applauncher\app\controllers to be able to make the mod Jun 12 14:18:05 you mean like variable names for a certain app basicall Jun 12 14:18:20 wtf "Cannot find device 'usb0'" Jun 12 14:18:22 2009-06-12T14:04:09.435150Z [14] castle user.err PmNetConfigManager: {netcfg.mgr}: HandleCmdOutput: Cannot find device "usb0" Jun 12 14:18:23 hmm Jun 12 14:19:12 that should just be /dev/usb0 right? Jun 12 14:19:17 it's not there Jun 12 14:19:47 oh sheesh Jun 12 14:24:49 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/184618/what-is-the-best-comment-in-source-code-you-have-ever-encountered lol Jun 12 14:26:58 bahaha Jun 12 14:27:23 XD Jun 12 14:28:00 that one guy rick roll'd someone in his code Jun 12 14:28:05 and i read it, so i got rick rolld Jun 12 14:28:13 fuck Jun 12 14:29:45 lol Jun 12 14:31:43 anyone know what code actually starts the ssh daemon for dropbear? Jun 12 14:31:51 is that initctl start webos-sshenabler Jun 12 14:32:23 how can i check to see if the daemon is running or not? Jun 12 14:33:17 connect to it? Jun 12 14:33:29 i am telneted in Jun 12 14:34:27 ps -aux | grep drop Jun 12 14:34:29 gives me nothing Jun 12 14:35:12 I'm on engadget Jun 12 14:35:59 no you are on #webos-internals Jun 12 14:37:24 lol Jun 12 14:39:29 good stuff Jun 12 14:39:54 anything interesting come out last night? Jun 12 14:40:22 doom? Jun 12 14:40:36 i'd say that's interesting ;) Jun 12 14:42:41 wtf at the comments on the Engadget article. troll central. Jun 12 14:43:52 lol Jun 12 14:45:50 hax0r the planet Jun 12 14:52:06 what was i, thinking people would be uo this early and in here... i forget this is programmers we're talking about. Jun 12 14:52:09 i need to stop staying up until 3a writing silly code :( Jun 12 14:52:32 ditto Jun 12 14:53:24 what were you writing ? Jun 12 14:55:21 programming makes the world go round Jun 12 14:56:13 here i thought it was physics! :( Jun 12 14:56:26 i'm writing a couple of things... an app for my ringtone site i run, and a small gps app that posts coords to a url at intervals. Jun 12 14:56:38 evanpro, slick Jun 12 14:56:59 yep. how about you? Jun 12 14:58:44 i was re-writing novacomd so those linux guys can use it ... Jun 12 14:58:55 i've got it finding the device and performing the bulk endpoint reads and writes .. Jun 12 14:59:15 now i need to just figure out the protocol Jun 12 14:59:32 oh nice... you're actually doing the useful stuff, haa. Jun 12 14:59:34 haha* Jun 12 14:59:57 the things that everyone else just sits back and waits for, assuming someone else will handle it. Jun 12 14:59:59 well - i don't know anything about html/css/js really .. i can get around and i can read it Jun 12 15:00:21 but i am more of a bottom-up kind of guy anyway Jun 12 15:00:22 ahh, i'm a senior web dev, been in it for 7 years now. Jun 12 15:00:27 wow - that's great Jun 12 15:00:37 what do you think of all this html5 stuff ? Jun 12 15:00:43 embedded video with no need for plugins, etc ? Jun 12 15:00:50 I should learn web dev, it's less difficult than this system dependent stuff I'm doing for GSoC Jun 12 15:01:04 yeah, so i was REALLY excited about the pre.. till i realized i might die of old age before getting the sdk. Jun 12 15:01:18 i have mixed feelings on the video part. Jun 12 15:01:18 "senior" web dev Jun 12 15:01:31 why mixed feelings ? Jun 12 15:01:39 lol... didn't catch the senior pun there. Jun 12 15:01:53 it wasn't worth catching Jun 12 15:02:07 i have a feeling the SDK will be released within a few months Jun 12 15:02:07 database admin here... haven't tinkered with web stuff in year or so Jun 12 15:02:27 yea some people who are running pre dev camp said a few months Jun 12 15:02:35 bpadalino: I would've guessed earlier than that... Jun 12 15:02:37 see, i do completely different everything - i program FPGA's with DSP algorithms for software defined radio Jun 12 15:03:01 well i'm so used to all of the "other things" being actual browser plugins, it almost seems like.. wrong in a way to cut that separation out, you know? i mean i can't think of any negative really, but it just doesn't seem "right" since i'm so used to how it's been my entire time as a web dev. Jun 12 15:03:08 i haven't touched C is such a long time Jun 12 15:03:19 SDK didn't seem all that advanced when I tried it out. Jun 12 15:03:40 Kyusaku, i guess the best part is the emulation aspect - which i think we're still missing ? Jun 12 15:04:02 yeah last i checked late last night, no one had it working yet. Jun 12 15:04:06 so we might be ahead of the game here.. at least we have an API list and a few programs to pick apart we can get some programs together Jun 12 15:04:47 yeah, that's where i sit. Jun 12 15:05:05 bpadalino: true but some functions people have already managed to hack like the camera app wasn't functional in the SDK I tried out. Jun 12 15:05:20 i have to say i find their applications to be pretty well written Jun 12 15:05:29 how did you get to try the camera app? Jun 12 15:05:39 bpadalino: they have a very well defined mvc framework Jun 12 15:05:43 err try the sdk i mean Jun 12 15:06:09 mikedg, absolutely - i think defining that out first was probably the best way to go forward Jun 12 15:06:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAc8E9sFhk Palm pre time lapse camcorder Jun 12 15:06:23 yeah... coming from php i'm so used to the "mvc" being on the server.. it's weird to being it to the js / client side for me. Jun 12 15:06:25 friend got his application accepted Jun 12 15:06:39 all the js/client stuff has always been my "view" Jun 12 15:06:57 from user scm6079 Jun 12 15:07:04 i am amazed how quick the pre is when seeing all the stuff that's going on ... html5/js/css <-> java <-> dbus <-> native code it seems like the stack goes Jun 12 15:10:20 i guess i should get to work before it gets too late... if i had an irc, rdp, or vnc client like on my 700p, i could just stay in here... but nooo. Jun 12 15:10:51 i guess it's good.. forces me to cut down on my phone usage while driving death risk... Jun 12 15:10:54 next is to get pidgen running on the pre Jun 12 15:11:01 anychance of porting linux adobe flash to the pre browser? Jun 12 15:11:09 yea.. i almost crashed into a tree yesterday Jun 12 15:11:17 palm's already working with adobe on it from what i read. Jun 12 15:11:47 well palm is doing the hard work, but adobe basically said "we'll give you whatever you need to make it work" Jun 12 15:11:51 i miss my hulu on skyfire :) Jun 12 15:12:35 hopefully palm will do it Jun 12 15:13:11 we should get deiter to ask what is the status of this! Jun 12 15:13:35 they announced partner with adobe in Jan or Feb Jun 12 15:13:36 yeah.. and from what i read it will be flash 10, full.. not flash "lite" Jun 12 15:13:46 nice Jun 12 15:15:05 i aaw sargun had doom running, so he must have gotten the cross compiling tools installed and just rebuilt .. Jun 12 15:16:43 * ripper breaths a sigh of relief after thinking he bricked his pre Jun 12 15:18:00 battery pull fix the issue ? Jun 12 15:18:43 i'm looking forward to the emulator, my pre is my main business phone so i'm treading lightly...well, kind of lightly. Jun 12 15:19:16 which shield is best? Jun 12 15:19:20 zagg invisible shield? Jun 12 15:19:22 lol yea can't wait for email upgrades Jun 12 15:19:30 yeah. It still won't mount the usb drive, but I rand doctor and doctor said the pre was disconnected shortly after starting and it was stuck with the usb symbol. Pulled the battery after I emotionally reconciled the fact that I bricked it and lo and behold doctor didn't do anything. So I'm back to everything working except mounting media. Jun 12 15:19:42 i wish the notifications were revoked for email if you checked them elsewhere Jun 12 15:19:48 en0x: I'm using ghost armor and am very happy with it. Jun 12 15:19:59 hard to apply? Jun 12 15:20:01 i kept my pre naked Jun 12 15:20:03 lol ripper Jun 12 15:20:09 time consuming, but easy. Jun 12 15:20:26 does all this void any warranty? Jun 12 15:20:37 i had once shield from brando which was easy to apply and no glue Jun 12 15:20:59 i'm going with ghost armor. i understand that it has less orange peel than invsible shield. Jun 12 15:21:12 Orange peel? Jun 12 15:21:18 wtf is orange peel? Jun 12 15:21:57 orange peel texture Jun 12 15:22:22 ^ Jun 12 15:22:26 Oh, yeah. You can feel an ever so slight difference between the cover and the way the pre was naked. Jun 12 15:22:41 I actually like it cause it makes it a bit easier to open the slider. Jun 12 15:22:47 I'm using a Bodyguardz front cover Jun 12 15:22:49 But my finger still glides nicely on the screen. Jun 12 15:23:00 i have invisible shield on my ipod, and you can't really feel the orange peel as much as see it Jun 12 15:23:22 but when the screen is on you can't see it Jun 12 15:24:10 Other than being slightly more reflective when the screen is off, I can't see any difference with the ghost armor Jun 12 15:24:31 hmm, maybe should have bought ghost armor, then Jun 12 15:24:38 on the Bodyguardz my finger does glide better with the cover. my only gripe is the bottom right corner of the cover seems to be cut a little long so you can see a little bit of the cover hang off the slider Jun 12 15:25:32 did anyone else read the foxconn 500k order was only fulfilled to 150k ? Jun 12 15:25:49 I almost want to take an xacto to it. but worried about damaging the device Jun 12 15:26:38 they seemed to allude it was due to complex mechanical design ... so i wonder if they have 350k baseband/rf boards all built up with no homes Jun 12 15:27:01 who knows Jun 12 15:27:04 a lot of rumors Jun 12 15:27:21 from the teardowns, i can imagine the mechanical aspect was the most difficult Jun 12 15:27:32 but looking at the pcb's .. they're beautiful Jun 12 15:27:41 no backside components Jun 12 15:27:46 the pcbs are tiiight Jun 12 15:27:48 0201 or 01005 passives Jun 12 15:27:51 (literally and figuratively) Jun 12 15:28:09 PoP is the only way to go on the OMAP Jun 12 15:29:01 the only part of the design i wasn't too thrilled about was all the shielding/epoxy .. it sounds like it makes rework nearly impossible once those shields are installed Jun 12 15:30:28 EvanPro, any luck getting coords from the GPS yet? Jun 12 15:30:57 dreadchicken, you should be able to just request it in mojo Jun 12 15:31:00 Having trouble getting the Loopback to remount itself on restart Jun 12 15:31:11 bpadalino|work: i think he wasn't to get coords from command line Jun 12 15:31:14 this command in etc/fstab doesnt work /media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt ext3 loop,rw,auto 0 0 Jun 12 15:31:50 Tydog: that looks very similar to what I have. I'll double check when my pre finishes booting. Jun 12 15:32:08 oh, commandline coordinates Jun 12 15:32:11 lets try to figure that out Jun 12 15:32:19 thanks ripper Jun 12 15:32:19 ripper: How long does it take to boot? Jun 12 15:32:22 yes, command line coords would rock. Jun 12 15:32:34 a good long time Jun 12 15:32:36 couple minutes. Haven't timed it. Jun 12 15:32:39 id say 90 seconds? Jun 12 15:32:42 maybe more Jun 12 15:32:44 cron + wget/curl + gps coords, lose my pre...got get it. Jun 12 15:33:23 booting definitely takes a long time on the device Jun 12 15:35:39 Tydog: here's what I have and it's working '/media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt ext3 loop 0 0' Jun 12 15:35:46 i'd like an easy way to call mojo from command line so i can write a cron job to change wallpapers Jun 12 15:36:34 don't suppose anyone has any idea on when the SDK will be available to the public? Jun 12 15:37:34 grrr...debootstrap needed binutils, i installed a new version, and it broke the one that was already there (i didn't know that) ugh. Jun 12 15:37:42 time to restore again! Jun 12 15:37:58 has anyone found a way to trigger the camera flash/torch LED? Because I read about the type of hardware it is (TI TPS61050 combo flash/torch), and I saw that the driver exposes some interfaces in /sys, but I've not been able to do much else with it. Jun 12 15:46:26 flashlight! Jun 12 15:46:37 indeed Jun 12 15:46:47 but according to TI it's called a torch Jun 12 15:46:49 xD Jun 12 15:46:59 obviously developed by ti-uk :) Jun 12 15:47:16 haha maybe xD Jun 12 15:47:25 I'm from LA. Flashlight is the correct term ;) Jun 12 15:47:28 my only concern there is electrical and thermal for extended torch burning. Jun 12 15:47:58 hmm Jun 12 15:48:05 let me link you the specsheet for the thing Jun 12 15:48:09 maybe you can glean something from it Jun 12 15:48:38 someone found the torch info either here or on precentral and posted that when camd is running there was some stuff in /sys about output levels. Jun 12 15:49:05 http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/tps61050 Jun 12 15:49:14 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/184378-ok-rom-comes-16.html#post1662771 Jun 12 15:50:04 oh interesting Jun 12 15:50:10 thanks for that Jun 12 15:51:20 anyone have a wiki for the deb bootstrapping process? Jun 12 15:51:32 i found one somewhere, but it fails to chroot Jun 12 15:53:11 rennerik, i tried echo torch>mode && echo 200(mA)>torch_current, but no go. Jun 12 15:54:36 it works Jun 12 15:54:40 oh? Jun 12 15:54:45 you have to set avin to 1 Jun 12 15:54:49 got it Jun 12 15:54:50 and then echo -n mode torch Jun 12 15:54:55 erm Jun 12 15:54:57 echo -n torch > mode Jun 12 15:56:29 rock on Jun 12 15:56:34 well done Jun 12 15:57:36 thanks Jun 12 15:57:40 there's also /sys/user_hw/pins/camera/flash_sync Jun 12 15:57:43 I dunno what that is Jun 12 15:58:09 cool so rennerik you got the flash to turn on and off from CL? Jun 12 15:58:36 I'm kinda surprised it took so long for people to go through the sysfs nodes Jun 12 15:58:38 just the torch/flashlight part of it. It also has a flash in it, but that requires something else. Jun 12 15:59:05 chrisa: the flash works weirdly. The sysfs entries don't work unless avin is 1 Jun 12 15:59:12 which wasn't what I was expecting Jun 12 15:59:23 I meant more in general Jun 12 15:59:30 I was going through it yesterday evening and all I got was errors Jun 12 15:59:49 chrisa, yeah...we've mostly been messing with the os proper it seems. Jun 12 15:59:49 So, has no one else had the pre refuse to go into usb drive or media sync mode? Jun 12 15:59:54 Tydog: If you echo 1 > avin, then you can echo -n torch > mode and it will work Jun 12 16:00:06 i'm doing a wiki page on it. Jun 12 16:00:23 is there a page that lists all the available appcatalog apps ? Jun 12 16:00:27 you can up the current by catting torch_current and seeing the options and echo -n one of those options to torch_current Jun 12 16:02:16 dreadchicken: cool, thanks. Link it when you're done. Jun 12 16:02:30 Do I need a code for an account there or can I make one, btw? Jun 12 16:06:23 chrisa, it would probably be helpful if people were more well versed with both linux and embedded linux ... i'm not :( Jun 12 16:07:47 http://predev.wikidot.com/torch-flash Jun 12 16:07:48 hey Sargun_screen : you made the engadget roll, =) Jun 12 16:08:15 yeah, he's afk Jun 12 16:08:27 playing doom ? Jun 12 16:08:33 sweet Jun 12 16:08:39 compiling it with directfb, yeah Jun 12 16:08:42 i'm trying it now, can't figure out the chroot process Jun 12 16:08:44 he's looking in the mirror going, "man, am i awesome or what?" Jun 12 16:09:00 http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/palm-pre-runs-doom-smartphone-loving-space-marines-rejoyce/ Jun 12 16:09:20 damn... anyone familiar with services here? I regged this nick a long time ago and I forgot my pass and there seems to be no recovery via email or anything. Jun 12 16:09:32 no - i meant he's afk playing doom Jun 12 16:09:34 right... that was sweet Jun 12 16:09:40 coolest "hack" so far, imho Jun 12 16:09:46 yep Jun 12 16:09:50 pretty neato Jun 12 16:10:29 * nebula isn't getting any real work done today Jun 12 16:10:30 hah Jun 12 16:10:54 me neither, contemplating leaving RIC for the day Jun 12 16:10:55 that's been me for about a week Jun 12 16:11:20 whatever, i got some change controls in yesterday so i've done my part Jun 12 16:11:21 hehe Jun 12 16:11:23 /RIC/IRC/ Jun 12 16:11:44 there's the famous guy now Jun 12 16:11:48 opie_: now all he needs to do is recognize touchscreen inputs for mouse :) Jun 12 16:12:07 2 accelerometers ? Jun 12 16:13:11 flashlight works great..now if there wree just a way to launch it via gui Jun 12 16:13:29 nah, what he needs to do is write up a polygon "hello, world" in opengl with directfb! Jun 12 16:13:37 i'm back. Jun 12 16:13:45 how hard would it be do to a simple app called flashlight that has a button, ON / OFF that calls a script or exectues the commands directly? Jun 12 16:13:45 that's what i want is a way to get my apps into the gui. Jun 12 16:14:10 EvanPro: yeah, did we figure out how to install apps yet? Jun 12 16:14:13 Random question, but has anyone started a project on selectable notification sounds? Otherwise I'll probably start tonight. Heh. Jun 12 16:14:29 i haven't personally. i haven't checked the wiki since last night though. i just got into work. Jun 12 16:14:59 yeah me too Jun 12 16:15:14 jeefy: i think it'd be better just to replace the mp3 with what you want, since you know that'll be in the next update palm pushes. Jun 12 16:15:35 from a business perspective, they have no choice but to push that out really shortly, here. Jun 12 16:16:31 dreadchicken: I was thinking about making one of those, but I don't think you can call the shell straight from Luna Jun 12 16:16:34 EvanPro: Thought about that and came to the same conclusion. But figured it'd be a good way to get my feet wet. Jun 12 16:17:06 it's html/css/javascript... just jump in the pool. Jun 12 16:17:19 :) Jun 12 16:17:20 :) I know Jun 12 16:17:39 is there a hello world pre app? Jun 12 16:18:07 someone made one, but it's better to just check out the apps that are in the webos image. Jun 12 16:18:17 or check out the OS ttwitter client. Jun 12 16:18:38 both are good starting points.. everything is really self explanitory. Jun 12 16:19:05 the missing link is just getting the new apps to display in the launcher without having to sacrifice an existing app. Jun 12 16:19:29 this box rocks Jun 12 16:19:39 I assume you can just put one in the directory where all the other apps are Jun 12 16:19:46 either that or you'll have to edit one of the sqlite dbs Jun 12 16:20:14 those are my guesses. i just haven't had time to test either theory. Jun 12 16:20:23 I suppose you could look though the app store code to see what it does to install apps. Jun 12 16:20:29 hm Jun 12 16:20:31 good point Jun 12 16:21:04 Lurking_Grue: that's exactly what i was going to do. i have the folder open, but minimized.. i'm trying not to get too tempted while i'm at work. Jun 12 16:21:17 this has been a real productivity killer for me the last two days at work, lol. Jun 12 16:21:36 :) Yeah know the feeling, I am just looking and trying not to ssh into my phone and get work done. Jun 12 16:22:01 I bet I will be sshed in by noon. Jun 12 16:22:02 Fortunately, I can toy with it at work and no one minds Jun 12 16:22:05 exactly lol Jun 12 16:23:23 my coworkers see windows full of source code Jun 12 16:23:25 it's all the same to them Jun 12 16:23:32 chrisa, lol...indeed. Jun 12 16:23:33 well, no one would say anything here either.. i'm the manager, and i'm in my own office, etc.. but if the owner walked in... plus i have to have this spider i'm writing done by today so i can run it over the weekend. Jun 12 16:24:12 engadget comments about doom seem largely on the trollish side Jun 12 16:24:12 I'm waiting on a conference call so I get to have some down time right now. Jun 12 16:24:20 and being the manager, if one of my employees walks in and i'm dicking with my phone... then what right do i have to tell them they can't dick with their phones lol. Jun 12 16:24:28 Sargun: i can always wait until we've updated the wiki to do my restore. Lemme go get a cup of coffee too. Jun 12 16:24:42 dreadchicken: are there some default steps that need to be done to get the flashlight stuff on the wiki to work? following your steps as root and rw it wouldn't activate the torch Jun 12 16:24:43 then we'll start Jun 12 16:25:03 nebula, I got my coffee, whenever you're ready, say GO! Jun 12 16:25:04 Kaerey, no..i verifed and it works fine. Jun 12 16:25:13 ok, brb... french vanilla time. Jun 12 16:25:20 Torch is not working for me either Jun 12 16:25:24 i have ~/bin/torchon and ~/bin/torchoff Jun 12 16:25:46 you shouldn't even need rw for the torch activation, the /sys tree is seperate from the filesystem Jun 12 16:26:39 i did fire up the camera app once since last reboot, maybe try that? Jun 12 16:27:08 ripper__: make sure you set avin to 1 Jun 12 16:27:11 otherwise it won't work Jun 12 16:27:30 Sargun: go time Jun 12 16:27:32 getting the flash to fire seems slightly more involved. Jun 12 16:27:37 dreadchicken: I haven't used the camera since reboot. Shouldn't be an issue. Jun 12 16:27:45 cool Jun 12 16:28:05 nebula, ok, on your desktop, what distro do you have? Jun 12 16:28:08 can someone who isn't at work just try making a copy of, say, the camera app, and changing the name to camera2 in the folder/json files/etc, and see if you get a second camera in the launcher? Jun 12 16:28:08 seems like for app installs it calls the Mojo services Jun 12 16:28:12 which is a web service? Jun 12 16:28:18 next is ~/bin/strobeon and ~/bin/strobeoff. we'll have music and a strobelight, it'll be a party. Jun 12 16:28:18 Sargun: winxp, but i can load into ubuntu Jun 12 16:28:26 or someone who is at work, but can mess with it :-p Jun 12 16:28:30 nebula, nah, it's fine Jun 12 16:28:42 ok, lemme get on wireless so i can ssh into it Jun 12 16:28:44 just to let you guys know, optware dropbear has been fixed, no longer the need to sed /opt/libexec/sftp-server Jun 12 16:28:53 nebula, chill. Jun 12 16:28:59 k Jun 12 16:29:27 eno: dumb question, how do we update? Jun 12 16:29:30 the directions are backwards I think dreadchicken Jun 12 16:29:32 Wierd. It worked when I had the camera app up, but as soon as I threw away the camera the torch went off Jun 12 16:29:51 I did the cd 1 >avin the torch > mode 100ma >torch_current and nothing Jun 12 16:29:53 EvanPro: if you've setup the feed, then "ipkg update; ipkg upgrade" Jun 12 16:29:59 I did torch > mode again and it turned on Jun 12 16:30:12 it's more for new ppl Jun 12 16:30:31 someone please update the wiki to use new dropbear ipk URL Jun 12 16:30:40 #nebula, On the device run this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/internal/debian.img bs=1000k count= Jun 12 16:30:47 nebula, how big do you want your rootfs to be Jun 12 16:30:58 whatever you suggest Jun 12 16:31:01 nebula, Don't run that command, I tried to comment it out, but apparently IRC doesn't take comments :-P Jun 12 16:31:03 ah.. ipkg == yum basically... gotcha.. i've been in redhat/centos land my whole linux life. Jun 12 16:31:25 http://gizmodo.com/5288147/palm-pre-lands-hardware+accelerated-doom-courtesy-of-homebrewers Jun 12 16:31:37 not exactly hardware accelerated Jun 12 16:31:55 damn i ran something in /etc/event.d/ and it shut my damn cell connection off Jun 12 16:31:57 zsazs, kind of... Jun 12 16:32:23 bah Jun 12 16:32:31 Would someone tell gizmodo to stop calling it a leak Jun 12 16:32:41 yeah, really. Jun 12 16:33:12 it's a public file from palm. we all know they knew exactly what they were doing. Jun 12 16:34:04 If it were a leak they'd have removed the file from that URL Jun 12 16:34:21 Sargun: ok, just lemme know. Jun 12 16:35:21 can someone run %ipkg list_installed | grep binutil Jun 12 16:35:52 binutils - 2.17.50.0.8-r0 - Jun 12 16:35:55 th Jun 12 16:35:58 thanks Jun 12 16:36:12 wasn't there a binutils-ng in there? Jun 12 16:36:23 i freakin' updated it by mistake Jun 12 16:36:25 i should have brought a router to work... no wifi here, and ssh of evdo hangs bad if you leave it idle for more than 5 seconds. Jun 12 16:36:28 to v 2.19 Jun 12 16:36:35 ssh over evdo* Jun 12 16:36:37 nebula: I did too, haven't noticed any ill effects yet Jun 12 16:36:51 i saw some error messages during postinst Jun 12 16:37:05 yeah, that's because update-alternatives doesn't exist Jun 12 16:37:07 the OE feed and optware feed better be separate Jun 12 16:37:12 I just removed the script trying to call it Jun 12 16:37:15 mdklein_: ok, thats what i saw too Jun 12 16:37:18 so optware ipk only install into /opt Jun 12 16:37:28 nebula, sorry, I walked away Jun 12 16:37:37 np Jun 12 16:37:39 eno and also doesn't mess with the palm supplied ipkg Jun 12 16:37:53 exactly Jun 12 16:37:57 Sargun: binutils update seems to be ok, mdklein_ did it too Jun 12 16:38:18 EvanPro: you could set the ssh ServerAliveInterval to something ridiculously low Jun 12 16:38:25 so the connection is always active Jun 12 16:38:45 okay in the sense of no apparent ill effect, but it should not be done this way Jun 12 16:38:57 ebula, On the device run this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/internal/debian.img bs=1000k count=1000; losetup /dev/loop5 /media/internal/debian.img; mkfs.ext2 /dev/loop5; mount /dev/loop5 /mnt/cf Jun 12 16:39:03 it already removed palm binaries Jun 12 16:39:10 nebula, I'm going to PM you some secret commands Jun 12 16:39:14 ok Jun 12 16:39:45 eno, it isn't if you look at the new ipkg instructions. it's ipkg-opt and how to clean it up if you did it the old way. Jun 12 16:39:54 nebula, tell me when you're all caught up. Jun 12 16:40:07 dreadchicken: great, ipk-opt is the way to go Jun 12 16:42:29 Anyone have any ideas where I could host a ~100M file? Jun 12 16:42:52 Heh, how many times would it be downloaded? ;) Jun 12 16:43:03 who knwos Jun 12 16:43:04 knows Jun 12 16:43:17 how many aspiring pre hackers are there? Jun 12 16:43:30 chroot tarball? Jun 12 16:43:35 chrisa, yup. Jun 12 16:43:35 are you setting up a debian chroot jail or something? Jun 12 16:43:39 mdklein_, yup. Jun 12 16:43:56 any ideas? Jun 12 16:44:29 who has a working loop fstab entry? need it for the wiki Jun 12 16:44:34 Sargun: i can host it tonight Jun 12 16:45:01 i'm going to make ipkg-opt the default and move the old way to the bottom. Jun 12 16:45:03 nebula, ok, can you mirror that URL Jun 12 16:45:08 yup Jun 12 16:45:16 most of the free large file hosters are pretty awful Jun 12 16:45:28 nah, i have business class internet so it should be ok Jun 12 16:45:51 i have a armv7a cortex-a8 bootable gentoo image here: http://gentoo.openpandora.org/ we just need to grab the kernel and modules and figure out how to boot it Jun 12 16:45:57 I could probably throw it up on our debian mirror, just need to clear it with someone first Jun 12 16:46:00 http://vastbrowser.com/file_storage.html Jun 12 16:46:08 hello Jun 12 16:46:30 my friend runs that, and he's too stupid to make it crappy like the other file storage sites. Jun 12 16:46:47 haha Jun 12 16:50:20 are there wiki docs on performing a restore? Jun 12 16:50:32 Sargun: I have fiber/etc. as well if ya still need servers... Jun 12 16:50:43 bdumm, kickass. Jun 12 16:51:00 You know what, let me get an image built for ya'll Jun 12 16:51:06 :) Jun 12 16:52:02 bdumm: fiber? Jun 12 16:52:56 I'm going to make an image, because I'm afraid of people making mistakes and nuking their Pre's Jun 12 16:53:04 Sargun: I'm trying to clear it now too, there was some confusion about what you actually needed, the first response was a little shakey because they thought it would be including palm code (it won't, right?) Jun 12 16:53:20 mdklein_, All debian code Jun 12 16:53:25 Sargun: it's inevitable :-) Jun 12 16:53:54 and before i go messing with mine, i'd like to know how to restore it back to factory defaults Jun 12 16:54:26 * Sargun goes to do real work Jun 12 16:54:39 hmm Jun 12 16:54:49 I found the app install code that calls Mojo Jun 12 16:54:52 I dunno how Mojo does it Jun 12 16:55:01 where Jun 12 16:55:05 but technically you should be able to call Mojo and have it install Jun 12 16:55:37 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps/weave/services/applicationinstaller.js Jun 12 16:56:09 it calls palm://com.palm.appinstaller Jun 12 17:06:50 anyone help with novaproxy? Jun 12 17:07:08 its says it's listening on localhost, but never gets to connecting to novacom? Jun 12 17:07:34 are you trying to telnet or ssh in? Jun 12 17:07:35 Nice: " There is currently no way to programatically uninstall an application" Jun 12 17:07:47 anyone else finding the reception a lot less than their previous phone? Jun 12 17:07:49 Explains why the apps I deleted still have directories. Jun 12 17:07:58 one question. In urope we need a SIM card to get a mobile fone working. It tells the mobile your numer and the provider. Jun 12 17:08:13 djk1: it seems better than my 700p, where i live. Jun 12 17:08:14 Is it right that you do not have this in the US? Jun 12 17:08:32 djk1: seems better than my touch pro :-/ Jun 12 17:08:33 i was following novaproxy comments for putty ie raw/8023/etc Jun 12 17:08:35 bdumm: are you trying to telnet or ssh in? Jun 12 17:08:40 EvanPro: really? It worse than my 700p Jun 12 17:08:40 okay. Jun 12 17:09:01 bdumm: what os? Jun 12 17:09:03 HApE_ we have sim cards from only one provider, cingular Jun 12 17:09:12 sprint and verizon do not Jun 12 17:09:22 djk1, on my (mountain road) commute to work, I get drops in places I didn't use to get drops. Jun 12 17:09:25 it just hangs, vista, turned off winhose firewall, local wifi firewall etc Jun 12 17:09:25 Hape_: depends on provider. The GSM providers (AT&T, TMobile) use SIM cards, sprint,verizon, etc use CDMA and the info is tied to the handset Jun 12 17:09:35 how then dose the pre know how you are what your providfer and number is? Jun 12 17:09:39 djk1: yeah... i couldn't keep a call at my house for more than a minute on my 700p, unless i was upstairs, like standing on my bed with my head tilted all weird. Jun 12 17:09:51 HaPe_: it's programmed in at the time of purchase Jun 12 17:09:51 with the pre, i can keep a call anywhere in my house just fine. Jun 12 17:10:09 thanks Jun 12 17:10:37 bdumm: try just using windows telnet from cmd. Jun 12 17:10:41 k Jun 12 17:11:00 HaPe_: GSM uses SIM cards Jun 12 17:11:06 i got the same connecting thing when trying to use putty on xp. Jun 12 17:11:31 hmmm does vista have telnet? Jun 12 17:11:35 HaPe_: Sprint and Verizon are CDMA Jun 12 17:11:43 bdumm: like i'd know, lol. Jun 12 17:11:44 dj right. So they also need to add a sim card slot for europe Jun 12 17:11:44 * bdumm never uses windows... Jun 12 17:11:48 sigh Jun 12 17:11:49 :) Jun 12 17:11:49 you have to add telnet to visa via add components Jun 12 17:12:19 * EvanPro adds one more thing to the endless "vista negatives" list Jun 12 17:12:29 "Programs and features->turn windows features on or off" Jun 12 17:12:44 add "Telnet client" Jun 12 17:12:47 is this get winhose stuff at their marketplace or turn some winhose feature on or off? Jun 12 17:12:51 lol nm thx Jun 12 17:13:41 so its there just not setup Jun 12 17:13:47 i guess thats a good thing... Jun 12 17:13:55 Yup... Good but annoying. Jun 12 17:14:35 * bdumm waits "several minutes" Jun 12 17:14:42 anyone locate com.palm.appinstaller? Jun 12 17:14:57 isn't that in mojo? Jun 12 17:16:59 i didn't see it. Jun 12 17:17:49 hi Jun 12 17:17:55 grep -R install *....... see what you get Jun 12 17:17:58 :) Jun 12 17:18:25 I didn't install the classic palm environment, but there's still a classic palm ROM on my device... interesting I guess they only wanted to push out minimal data when you downloaded it... Jun 12 17:18:36 it is in mojo Jun 12 17:18:48 it takes an app package file Jun 12 17:18:50 :) Jun 12 17:18:51 as an argument Jun 12 17:18:56 I just don't know how apps are packaged Jun 12 17:19:06 trying to see if I can pull a package from Palm's server Jun 12 17:19:21 ? packaged as in? Jun 12 17:19:26 does anyone know, whether the graphical component of WebOS will be opensourced too? so i could expand the mojo API by some methods for controlling i.e. OpenVPN and install OpenVPN via ipkg? Jun 12 17:19:29 Did you find the url for the store? Jun 12 17:19:33 yes Jun 12 17:19:43 telnet fails same error, could not open connection that putty gives Jun 12 17:20:07 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/services/deviceJ Jun 12 17:20:20 who's doing the logging here? Can someone edit that line out of the public logs? :/ Jun 12 17:20:51 rwhitby? Jun 12 17:20:55 i think so Jun 12 17:21:02 "No operation matching request path /deviceJ/ is found" Jun 12 17:21:03 has anyone figured out how to add a 4th luna display? that'd be nice Jun 12 17:21:13 rennerik: I have a couple /media/internal/downloads/com.splashdata.app.splashid_0.4.6_all_signed.ipk <-- files like that, looks like it's a signed ipkg, unless you're looking for something else Jun 12 17:21:32 yea I think you have to send a command with a proper user agent Jun 12 17:21:35 otherwise it 404s Jun 12 17:21:58 mdklein_: I'll have a look Jun 12 17:22:06 bdumm: -> PM Jun 12 17:22:13 who wants to bet that packages are zip files like jars? Jun 12 17:22:24 Can you force the appstore to go over wifi and sniff the traffice? say get the phone off the cell network but near a wifi? Jun 12 17:22:31 EvanPro: think i should try that other python root setup? Jun 12 17:22:37 i'm pretty sure ipk packages are just debs Jun 12 17:22:41 EvanPro: they appear to be tgzs with a palm certificate Jun 12 17:22:45 oh Jun 12 17:23:05 mdklein_: I don't have anything in downloads. Can you maybe send me that file? Jun 12 17:23:06 nebula, Give me about ~30-60 minutes for a debian image Jun 12 17:23:13 oh, nice. Jun 12 17:23:52 i think the first thing we should all colaboritively do is work towards an "OS App Store" Jun 12 17:24:15 rennerik, just go into app store and download something, it puts it there temporarily it seems Jun 12 17:24:30 I just grabbed sudoku and it's sitting there Jun 12 17:25:03 bdumm: i think you should format and install xp and try again. Jun 12 17:25:12 hm ok giving it a shot Jun 12 17:25:45 Sargun: i'm going through the wiki using /sbin and it's going Jun 12 17:25:54 i can always restore if it fails Jun 12 17:25:55 nebula, ok. Jun 12 17:26:04 nebula, I think you're doing it wrong though Jun 12 17:26:12 ah Jun 12 17:26:30 what's going on ? Jun 12 17:27:10 mdklein_: didn't appear for me there Jun 12 17:27:20 searched the whole / for ipk files; nothin Jun 12 17:28:25 EvanPro: would good would that do??? http://bcpub.com/tux/tux_fsck_image-small.png Jun 12 17:28:59 bdumm: take vista out as a variable that could be causing your problem. :) Jun 12 17:29:15 Sargun: the gz is downloading to /mnt/cf now Jun 12 17:29:24 or, if you're like me, use one of the other 15 computers in your house. Jun 12 17:29:36 no i don't have Novacom running.... :) Jun 12 17:29:38 Vista sucks hard. Jun 12 17:29:50 yea i wouldn't use it but .... Jun 12 17:30:08 rennerik: weird, let me see, I have an idea why it did that for me (I had temporarily broke my ipkg so installs were failing) Jun 12 17:30:37 Or use a vm of xp. I rooted mine on windows 7 using vmware running xp. Jun 12 17:31:24 Lurking_Grue: good call.. they have the free images, too.. for ie6 version testing. Jun 12 17:31:33 err, ie version testing in general. Jun 12 17:34:55 I believe that installApplication can take an http url Jun 12 17:35:05 it would be interesting to see if you can install straight off a web page Jun 12 17:37:29 well, do we have one of the tgz'd packages? Jun 12 17:37:47 hrmm changing DisplayNumBuffers=3 to 4 in /etc/palm/luna.conf doesn't allow Luna to run ;( Jun 12 17:37:59 it'd be nice if you could have 4 launcher windows (or more) Jun 12 17:38:18 psykoz: You can. There are tips on that in the wiki Jun 12 17:38:19 psykoz: i think there's instructions on the wiki. Jun 12 17:38:23 the DisplayNumBuffers is not it Jun 12 17:39:03 mdklein_: Any luck? I suppose I can run a script that will copy something out of there Jun 12 17:39:22 but it would have to run when the dl is complete Jun 12 17:39:56 i think doing it over wifi is one of the better ideas. Jun 12 17:41:01 did anyone remove tge restriction of downloading mp3 over evdo (wifi only)? It looks like it can easily, i just want to know if anyone has done it Jun 12 17:41:07 lame.. is there no way to turn the "phone" off without turning wifi off? Jun 12 17:41:32 rennerik: haven't quite figured it out yet, still working on Jun 12 17:41:45 <|wikka|> go to airplane mode then turn teh wifi on Jun 12 17:41:50 did anyone try to dig deep in mojo and figure out how to copy and paste any text not just text fields? Jun 12 17:41:53 How about ifconfig ppp0 down Jun 12 17:41:58 ohh, i turned on the wifi, then went into airplane mode, lol Jun 12 17:42:11 what, no inflight wifi mode ? Jun 12 17:42:13 bpo2jy: I doubt you can get that low into mojo, but I could be wrong Jun 12 17:42:31 That should kill the evdo network. Jun 12 17:42:37 bpo2jy: it's supposedly possible Jun 12 17:42:43 bpadalinono, what bpo2jy said works fine Jun 12 17:42:55 i mean |wikka| Jun 12 17:43:02 (I mean the MP3 thing) Jun 12 17:43:25 psykoz: you can add moe and theres instructions in the wiki Jun 12 17:43:40 i was late coming in to work today from staying up so late last night with this phone stuff :( Jun 12 17:43:42 terrible Jun 12 17:43:57 bpadalino|work: ditto Jun 12 17:49:02 have you guys notice that when you want to send an mms it filter to only show phone numbers but if you type an email address it sends it tru picture mail Jun 12 17:49:46 that might me an easy fix Jun 12 17:49:59 found them, thanks guys Jun 12 17:50:19 didn't notice that, but i did notice if you have an mms as the last message in a convo, and you're in the conversation list view, it doesn't show the text from the mms in the little "preview" for that convo. Jun 12 17:51:03 probably another easy fix... but i can't really complain sicne this phone actually has an mms client, as the 700p just used sprint's legacy sms link method. Jun 12 17:51:06 hm Jun 12 17:51:16 interestingly, the package list doesn't include user-installed apps Jun 12 17:51:20 only official palm apps Jun 12 17:51:44 so using dbus-util --capture com.palm.audio shows audio telling power to suspend the request to powerdown ALL the time Jun 12 17:51:53 once every 1/2 second or so ? Jun 12 17:52:42 oh, neat. You guys found dbus-util Jun 12 17:52:44 bpadalino|work: yeah i noticed that last night. Jun 12 17:53:04 *sigh* turn off wireless security and firewalls when rooting your pre.... Jun 12 17:53:33 You can learn a lot by just watching the bus like that Jun 12 17:54:15 chrisa, yeah - i figured using the same IPC constructs you guys use is probably best when setting up new/modified services Jun 12 17:54:39 You haven't figured out how to add new services though I presume Jun 12 17:54:42 like i said before, i wish i knew more about embedded linux and dbus .. Jun 12 17:54:44 not quite yet Jun 12 17:55:09 i know i need to add in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services Jun 12 17:55:10 dbus is really pretty straightforward, especially if you use glib Jun 12 17:55:58 i also just found the beagleboard dsp utilities which allowed me to dynamically link in the ping utility .. so i could ping the dsp Jun 12 17:56:13 oh sweet Jun 12 17:56:22 that dbus-util is awesome Jun 12 17:56:30 Found the URL to a package using it :) Jun 12 17:56:40 heh Jun 12 17:57:06 all the dbus utilities should be nice Jun 12 17:58:53 is that a standard utility? Jun 12 17:59:00 or is it pre-specific Jun 12 17:59:17 I believe it's something we wrote to replace dbus-monitor Jun 12 17:59:25 But I could be mistaken Jun 12 17:59:47 chrisa, someone should change powerd so maybe when audio stops the shutdown request, it doesn't ask 0.5s later if it can shutdown Jun 12 17:59:58 catching up on the past half hour or so... novacom works fine in Vista. I use it in Vista 64-bit. Jun 12 18:00:03 it uses 1.5% cpu just whining Jun 12 18:00:53 user.warning powerd: POWERD-SUSPEND: IdleCheck can't sleep clowns will eat me. Jun 12 18:01:15 heh Jun 12 18:01:28 chrisa, i think you're right - dbus-util sits on the dbus as well .. Jun 12 18:01:28 woohoo, i'm going to set a record for number of recoveries Jun 12 18:01:44 chrisa: who do you mean by "we"? Jun 12 18:01:46 nebula: I assure you, I have you beat Jun 12 18:01:50 * pocek wonders if PowerTop can be run on pre Jun 12 18:01:55 hah: nebula, I think I'm about to do my first... Jun 12 18:01:57 what is PowerTop ? Jun 12 18:01:58 oh Jun 12 18:02:03 top that checks for power utilization ? Jun 12 18:02:10 sort of, google it :) Jun 12 18:02:23 EvanPro: wondering the same thing O.o Jun 12 18:02:43 says it's intel platform? is there an arm port ? Jun 12 18:02:48 powertop is a tool that notifies you of events waking the cpu, causing interrupts, etc and tries to estimate mA usage Jun 12 18:02:52 Quite useful for laptops Jun 12 18:03:11 If you use it you'll discover a new dislike of the nvidia module Jun 12 18:03:17 (on laptops I mean Jun 12 18:03:20 heh Jun 12 18:04:07 i feel like i'm missing something about who chrisa is, lol. Jun 12 18:04:23 chrisa: and firefox Jun 12 18:04:27 he works for palm i am pretty sure Jun 12 18:04:33 That he does. Jun 12 18:04:52 that was my guess, but his whois wasn't all obvious like the others, lol. so i didn't want to say anything. Jun 12 18:05:12 hm Jun 12 18:05:16 in terms of signed ipk files Jun 12 18:05:27 http://i42.tinypic.com/1058fbd.png Jun 12 18:05:33 my palm has a nice bootie Jun 12 18:05:35 seems like the cert that signed it is in /etc/ssl/certs Jun 12 18:06:04 can we add our own self-signed cert? Jun 12 18:06:24 * Lurking_Grue watches his palm charge via "tail -f messages" when he should be working. Jun 12 18:06:33 haha Jun 12 18:06:37 It would appear you can Jun 12 18:06:47 in appsigning-bundle.crt Jun 12 18:06:53 i would think you can count the total hours we have all worked this week on one hand Jun 12 18:07:10 oops, i left airplane mode on for the last 30 minutes or so. Jun 12 18:07:34 i keep forgetting to turn roaming data back on when i restore Jun 12 18:07:44 nebula: but not the amount of money it has cost out employers in counter-productivity. Jun 12 18:08:01 EvanPro: nah, you could buy a country with that money Jun 12 18:08:14 our* Jun 12 18:08:18 haha exactly. Jun 12 18:08:27 no thanks, i don't need more debt Jun 12 18:08:29 ;) Jun 12 18:11:18 $ Firmware update from (90) to (90) is forced! Jun 12 18:11:20 good stuff Jun 12 18:11:25 that was productive Jun 12 18:11:49 Who was that nice person from the debian project Jun 12 18:11:53 ahtat was going to mirror something Jun 12 18:12:02 me Jun 12 18:12:12 hm Jun 12 18:12:22 the ipk file is prepended by certificate info Jun 12 18:12:23 i can mirror it tonight when i get home Jun 12 18:12:52 any way to strip certain number of bytes off a binary file without harming it? Jun 12 18:13:21 you can use dd ? Jun 12 18:13:23 define harming it Jun 12 18:13:28 Does that mean all apps have to be blessed by palm? Jun 12 18:13:31 rennerik: what are you trying to do? Jun 12 18:13:33 it was one of the m* Jun 12 18:13:36 or write a little c program to fseek then fread ? Jun 12 18:14:06 the ipk is a tar file with a certificate signature prepended Jun 12 18:14:13 trying to strip the cert info so I can untar it Jun 12 18:14:15 Sargun: I'm not from debian project, but we do run a couple mirrors at my place of employment Jun 12 18:14:28 rennerik, how far into the file does the tar info start ? Jun 12 18:14:52 mdklein_, where is that Jun 12 18:14:59 mdklein_, mind pm Jun 12 18:15:33 how do I tell where my cursor position is in vi? Jun 12 18:15:47 rennerik: ipkg format and stuff should all be documented on handhelds.org / openembedded sites Jun 12 18:15:48 you see the cursor Jun 12 18:15:53 start typing Jun 12 18:15:57 :P Jun 12 18:16:01 ^g maybe ? Jun 12 18:16:03 hit i then start typing Jun 12 18:16:36 ^g gives you line #. Trying to find byte offset Jun 12 18:16:50 i use hexdump -C to get that type of stuff Jun 12 18:16:54 since text editors hide things Jun 12 18:17:55 http://gizmodo.com/5288488/smartphone-buyers-guide-the-best-of-the-best so the pre has voice control? Jun 12 18:18:28 it appears to have some stubs for it.... Jun 12 18:18:43 19fa Jun 12 18:18:48 is where it tarts Jun 12 18:19:57 starts* Jun 12 18:20:00 so you can do something like .. Jun 12 18:20:04 my pre is really lazy. it goes to sleep a lot. Jun 12 18:20:22 it's only supposed to accept 3 lines of code a day~ Jun 12 18:20:26 dd if=input_file of=tar_file.tar skip=6650 bs=1 Jun 12 18:20:28 it will be slow Jun 12 18:20:31 because bs=1 Jun 12 18:20:34 * bdumm happy bdumm@castle:~$.... Jun 12 18:20:35 Just make it stop going to sleep Jun 12 18:21:00 chrisa, can powerd be told to stop polling to go to sleep so much ? Jun 12 18:21:03 chrisa: do you know why ipkg was used over opkg? Jun 12 18:21:05 and make that lazier ? Jun 12 18:21:36 Bartman007: what's wrong with ipkg? Jun 12 18:22:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg#FAQ - that apparently says ipkg is no longer maintained ? Jun 12 18:23:17 ipkg has been abandoned for quite some time Jun 12 18:23:21 wikipedia appears to agree saying that the last stable release was 1108 days ago Jun 12 18:23:33 It seems to be doing its job just fine for us. No reason to switch to something "more maintained" Jun 12 18:24:06 bpadalino|work: Some OE devs say opkg is actually very crappy Jun 12 18:24:06 at least you can count on the bugs showing up to always be there :) Jun 12 18:24:20 then f it .. f opkg in the a Jun 12 18:24:25 and they prefer old ipkg or dpkg Jun 12 18:24:36 ipkg does seem to work pretty well Jun 12 18:24:38 chrisa: do you have a list of what patches are being used in your ipkg version? Jun 12 18:24:48 Bp: I suppose one can fix the bugs themselves if you can. Jun 12 18:24:58 I have no idea, if we made changes I'm sure it'll be in the GPL sources Jun 12 18:24:59 Lurking_Grue, very true Jun 12 18:25:44 chrisa, how do you like working with the OMAP3 processor ? Jun 12 18:25:57 wow you guys weren't lying.. dbus-util is awesome. Jun 12 18:25:59 chrisa, btw whats all the .debug dirs for ??? Jun 12 18:26:07 evanpro, yeah - you can see everything Jun 12 18:27:14 are you guys just installing dbus-util from the ipkg repository in the wiki? Jun 12 18:27:28 ripper, no - it's a program included with the pre Jun 12 18:27:30 ah, OE ipkg contains most of the important patches. Jun 12 18:27:32 it's on the pre Jun 12 18:27:40 it looks loke a palm written executable ? Jun 12 18:27:50 since dbus-util sits on the dbus ... bus Jun 12 18:27:53 so many busses Jun 12 18:28:06 oh, okay. I'm doing a restore right now so I couldn't look. Jun 12 18:28:26 I have to say I would think they could have come up with a better name, considering the quality of other palm names so far Jun 12 18:28:41 how long does a restore usually take? Jun 12 18:28:50 ok it appears I was wrong. the IPK is an ar archive. Blah. Jun 12 18:28:57 bsiegel: like peepingtom? Jun 12 18:29:00 ie trenchcoat for the flasher Jun 12 18:29:06 yeah Jun 12 18:29:10 or at least something like Jun 12 18:29:34 dbusstation Jun 12 18:29:39 heh Jun 12 18:30:24 i wish i could find more info about the JVM they're using, that's for sure ... Jun 12 18:31:17 where do the downloaded apps get stored in the fs? I can't seem to find them Jun 12 18:31:18 a friend of mine is currently using x86 processors for a project they are working on, since it needs a JVM .. and is scared that ARM JVM's aren't going to do so hot Jun 12 18:32:02 I'm not sure what the jvm license is, but would they not potentially have to release any modifications to the jvm as well? Jun 12 18:32:09 bpadalino|work: its not the VM from harmony? Jun 12 18:32:12 there are probably more JVMs running on ARM cpus than any other platform Jun 12 18:32:14 mike, /var/usr/palm/applications Jun 12 18:32:27 bpadalino thanks Jun 12 18:32:48 saurik, i have no idea .. what is harmony ? is that the apache thing ? Jun 12 18:32:56 zsazs, j2se, j2ee or j2me ? Jun 12 18:33:13 bp: admittedly, j2me Jun 12 18:33:23 bpadalino|work: yes, Apache Harmony Jun 12 18:33:40 zsazs, yeah - so that's the problem .. Jun 12 18:33:46 but this java seems to work pretty well Jun 12 18:34:25 All the nokia phones I worked with in the past had a j2me JVM and they were pretty stupid phones Jun 12 18:34:33 I wouldn't be surprised if most generic phones went that route Jun 12 18:34:51 The jvm binaries indicate that it is Harmony Jun 12 18:35:09 http://harmony.apache.org/subcomponents/drlvm/index.html Jun 12 18:35:14 that's the VM Jun 12 18:35:19 i can't find anything on the harmony wiki that says it supports arm7 ? Jun 12 18:35:21 and its definitely DRLVM that's installed on the Pre Jun 12 18:35:58 (such wonderful symbols as Java_org_apache_harmony_drlvm_VMHelperFastPath_getVtableClassOffset) Jun 12 18:36:22 hehe Jun 12 18:36:24 very interesting Jun 12 18:36:51 yup, 'strings' is your friend :p Jun 12 18:37:04 objdump even more. Jun 12 18:37:11 objdump is much better if you can get the tools installed easily Jun 12 18:37:16 nm | c++filt is my friend Jun 12 18:37:16 otool on os x Jun 12 18:38:25 is anyone else still working on application installation? Jun 12 18:39:42 evanpro, for getting your own apps in there ? Jun 12 18:40:00 just webos apps ? Jun 12 18:40:28 right. Jun 12 18:40:45 EvanPro: just thinking about starting Jun 12 18:42:14 ok, I take that back; these are just stubs Jun 12 18:42:29 many of them aren't implemented Jun 12 18:43:01 saurik, ? Jun 12 18:43:14 What is the OasisVM? Jun 12 18:43:25 if we can figure that out, i think it would be really nice to collaboratively make a community "app catalog" app, where we can post our homebrew / open source apps. Jun 12 18:43:33 guys... optware updated the dropbear package Jun 12 18:44:05 nebula, what did they change ? Jun 12 18:44:06 EvanPro: yeah trying to figure out the archive format Jun 12 18:44:07 heh Jun 12 18:44:47 rennerik: try asking #oe guys Jun 12 18:44:58 it's their stuff Jun 12 18:45:52 keep me posted. i'll be glad to write / host the web services for the app catalog. Jun 12 18:45:52 luv torch.... Jun 12 18:46:03 OasisVM Copyright 2005 Iventor, Inc. According to their site (dead - looking at it thru archive.org), "Iventor has developed a high level runtime environment for deployment of advanced, dynamic user interfaces." Jun 12 18:46:03 plus help write the app itself. Jun 12 18:46:22 yeah that's the thing .. Jun 12 18:46:31 what are they really using Jun 12 18:46:39 sounds like a customized JVM, tht Palm added harmony stuff to ? Jun 12 18:46:46 interesting Jun 12 18:46:58 since this company disappeared circa 2006 Jun 12 18:47:09 weird choice Jun 12 18:47:43 it still might be something else Jun 12 18:47:53 Definitely Jun 12 18:48:07 check http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/technology/27mercer.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Jun 12 18:48:19 forged at Iventor Inc. by a small team of programmers led by Paul Mercer, 38, a veteran Apple Macintosh software designer. Jun 12 18:48:30 i hate how i can't find any recent news of a palm sdk release Jun 12 18:48:49 March 8 2007 — Palm Inc., the maker of hand-held computers, has hired a top Silicon Valley software designer as it seeks to respond to the challenge posed by Apple’s new iPhone. The designer, Paul Mercer, a former Apple computer engineer, began work three weeks ago at Palm on a line of new products, a company spokeswoman said, but she declined to comment further on the project. Jun 12 18:50:12 nah Jun 12 18:50:50 Sounds like he brought his OasisVM with him to Palm Jun 12 18:51:33 imvho it's very good to have a jvm nobody ever heard of Jun 12 18:51:41 cp -r /media/internal/HelloWorld/* ./ Jun 12 18:51:42 NOT Jun 12 18:51:44 whops Jun 12 18:52:05 i'm going to kick this wireless routers ass Jun 12 18:53:54 kick it Jun 12 18:56:50 hahah Jun 12 18:56:57 apparently he did Jun 12 18:57:22 i just threaten my routers with linksys stock firmware. they generally fall into line after that Jun 12 18:57:47 hahaha Jun 12 19:00:04 woo my testapp shows up in launcher Jun 12 19:00:17 awesome Jun 12 19:00:19 this is exciting :) Jun 12 19:00:25 wow nice Jun 12 19:00:38 you wouldn't be saying that if you saw what it did Jun 12 19:00:53 bwahah Jun 12 19:00:58 restart your phone? Jun 12 19:01:05 even less useful Jun 12 19:01:06 iFart Jun 12 19:01:10 ROFL Jun 12 19:01:14 i should do that Jun 12 19:01:23 first fart app for pre! we're 100% iphone equal now! Jun 12 19:01:34 :) Jun 12 19:01:45 one more hour to go Jun 12 19:01:46 3pm :S Jun 12 19:01:47 mike_wx: screw iFart, I won't be happy until I can pretend my Pre is a lightsaber. Jun 12 19:01:55 lol Jun 12 19:01:56 ello all Jun 12 19:02:14 hey DarthPooh. welcome back. Jun 12 19:02:24 mikewx, how did you get it to show up ? Jun 12 19:02:26 sargun, if it isn't crysis, next time don't bother taking video Jun 12 19:02:26 so, spill it mike_wx Jun 12 19:02:27 considering i've never written a line of javascript in my life i think iFart would be an ambitious first project for me Jun 12 19:02:29 did anyone get WinSCP working without installing an sftp server? Jun 12 19:02:43 evanpro, nice lil find on the flash eh? :) Jun 12 19:03:19 used one of the existing downloaded apps as a template, copied it to a new folder, gutted it back to a hello world, edited teh appinfo.json and then restarted phone to refresh launcher cache Jun 12 19:03:38 which nice find? jog my memory.. Jun 12 19:03:45 btw, mcguyver battery fix will need to be reapplied fairly often Jun 12 19:03:51 ah, so you needed to reboot to get it to rescan the filesystem ? Jun 12 19:04:05 evanpro, the commands to turn it on/off... Jun 12 19:04:07 looks like, i'm sure tehre is ac ommand for it but i'm a windows guy. when in dobut reboot Jun 12 19:04:17 doubt Jun 12 19:04:21 heh Jun 12 19:04:22 bpadalino, I havent found a way to recache without a reboot Jun 12 19:04:35 that's not bad at all mike_wx.. better than having some sqlite table we have to manually update or something.. now we just need to find the method to refresh the apps without a restart. Jun 12 19:04:39 darthpooh, the findapps stuff does it, though ... Jun 12 19:04:42 What's this about a battery fix? Jun 12 19:05:00 chrisa, turn the phone off and your battery stays charged ? Jun 12 19:05:00 guys could I get acess to the wiki? Jun 12 19:05:06 DarthPooh: ah, yes. nice find indeed.. sorry, my mind is in like 15 places right now. Jun 12 19:05:10 chrisa, you have to wedge a piece of paper in the back of the battery to avoid it turning off when sliding up or down the keyboard Jun 12 19:05:23 the battery life is pretty swell if you have airplane mode on Jun 12 19:05:28 odd, I've never seen that in house Jun 12 19:05:29 mikedg, lol Jun 12 19:05:45 im not being facetious Jun 12 19:05:47 chrisa, yeah, common problem on a lot of devices I've seen Jun 12 19:05:48 I don't need to do that on my Pre, but I've read about it on PreCentral. Jun 12 19:06:05 chrisa, of the 7 people I know who have one... 4 of us do it Jun 12 19:06:07 that should be good news, since it means the processor isnt the power hungry part Jun 12 19:06:10 mine has no mechanical battery problems Jun 12 19:06:13 empirical at best Jun 12 19:06:13 radios and software can be tweaked Jun 12 19:06:26 http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution Jun 12 19:06:40 mikedg, i think they knew it was the radio trying to grab a signal from a tower and getting confused Jun 12 19:06:46 i hope they tweak mine soon. i'm tired of not having a phone that works when i'm at home Jun 12 19:06:49 mikedg, its a matter of when they release the fix Jun 12 19:07:07 mike, airave ? Jun 12 19:07:19 why should i have to do that? my centro works 100% even in my basement Jun 12 19:07:20 airave does nothing good for me either, I have it Jun 12 19:07:47 sprint is sending me a new phone, but i'm doubtful that will fix the issue. it may however fix my stuck on neon green pixels, so i didn't complain Jun 12 19:07:49 mike, oh wow .. Jun 12 19:07:50 interesting Jun 12 19:08:11 i've got a stuck green one too :( Jun 12 19:08:15 just one though.. not too bad. Jun 12 19:08:16 i am surprised they have these radio issues since they are using the canned qualcomm chipset Jun 12 19:08:36 yeah, i have a cluster of 2 and then 1 off by itself. the dot pitch is so nice a single by it self is hardly noticable Jun 12 19:09:12 have you guys tried to unstick it? Jun 12 19:09:18 yeah, my single one hasn't bugged me yet. Jun 12 19:09:43 DarthPooh: when i get a bit better at javascript i'm going to code up a rapid frequency flasher Jun 12 19:09:50 http://www.knoxing.com/iphone-app/#_home Jun 12 19:09:55 go there and run the fix... Jun 12 19:09:58 DarthPooh: naw.. you can hardly even see it, anyways like mike_wx said, so it hasn't been worth my time to play with it. Jun 12 19:10:22 no need to code anything... its been done. :) Jun 12 19:10:43 does the pre have binutils ? Jun 12 19:11:32 it would take 2 seconds with prototype or jquery.. just change a div bg color in a loop, done. Jun 12 19:11:53 hell, even without either... just a few more characters. Jun 12 19:11:59 evanpro, yeah, just make sure you turn brightness all the way up with that link Jun 12 19:12:44 chrisa, no offense, how does Palm not know about the battery keyboard issue yet? Jun 12 19:12:45 doesn't that just change the voltage to the led's behind the crystal goo? Jun 12 19:13:10 DarthPooh: Just because I didn't doesn't mean the company/sprint don't Jun 12 19:13:30 i'll be back in a little bit.. boss is coming down to see what i've been doing today. Jun 12 19:13:34 (crap..) Jun 12 19:13:40 heh Jun 12 19:13:51 i suppose irc doesn't account for much with your boss Jun 12 19:14:00 lol Jun 12 19:14:01 yay for WFH :) Jun 12 19:14:19 chrisa, fair enough... I mean, I am not trying to be a dick about it. just wondering :) Jun 12 19:15:01 chrisa, and I did not intend for it to sound like I was bashing you or palm... trust me, I've been with my palm devices for years. I love you bastids Jun 12 19:17:08 i didnt think this device would need an onscreen keyboard, I was sorely mistaken. Jun 12 19:17:19 hola cyanide Jun 12 19:17:24 Tagging launcher icons for universal search mmmm Jun 12 19:17:37 zsazs and I made a DIY gps gizmo a while ago. the mechanical part around the batteries were the hardest part :( Jun 12 19:17:55 Anyone else think that the webos-sshenabler script should be modified or have an alternative that only opens ssh on eth0? Jun 12 19:17:57 <- very sympathetic Jun 12 19:18:19 It's not hard, but I'm thinking having both options referenced in the wiki would be nice Jun 12 19:18:37 for completeness sake? probably Jun 12 19:18:50 but the wiki is far from complete too Jun 12 19:18:52 ;) Jun 12 19:19:11 Yeah. How many people are sshing over EVDO anyway? Jun 12 19:19:21 I was before i got my pre :( Jun 12 19:19:35 how many people have access to the wiki Jun 12 19:19:36 I guess i have a little since then Jun 12 19:19:38 you can ssh in over evdo?!? WOAH I'm going to go do that right now! Jun 12 19:19:44 id like to be the alarm clock fix in there Jun 12 19:19:47 (AT&T's 3G network is all NAT'd, so you can't connect in) Jun 12 19:20:04 yeah, unless you add '-i eth0' to the iptables lines in the webos-sshenabler script, you can ssh over evdo Jun 12 19:20:20 mikedg, do we have the alarm clock fix anywhere? making it priority notification and the weekday/end fix? Jun 12 19:20:25 I'm in a constant state of astonishment that Sprint isn't also NATed Jun 12 19:20:37 I should change the SSH port to something high so I can get through work's proxy. Jun 12 19:20:42 im talking weekday/end fix, i didnt think i ever saw it in there Jun 12 19:21:02 mikedg, neither have I. I think I just went in and did it Jun 12 19:22:10 hrmm .. Jun 12 19:22:17 com.palm.luna/listApps might refresh ? Jun 12 19:23:14 i ssh over evdo while i'm at work... we don't have any wifi here since we're a medical company and my boss is all paranoid about hippa crap and our "IT" guy being incompetant. Jun 12 19:23:15 just applied for wiki access Jun 12 19:23:46 mikedg: what was the problem with the alarm clock? Jun 12 19:24:02 bsiegel, weekday/end wasnt accurate Jun 12 19:24:08 if you set it on a saturday for weekdays, it went off on sunday Jun 12 19:24:12 turned out my boss just wanted me to order a pizza for us lol. Jun 12 19:24:14 the transition from friday to monday was fine Jun 12 19:24:30 bpadalino: so that code you wrote last night opened the pre's device file without throwing errors? Jun 12 19:24:31 so its just as horrible as it first appeared Jun 12 19:24:40 i think theres an issue with sunday to saturday as well Jun 12 19:24:50 if you have weekdays Jun 12 19:25:17 ya know what would be really swell, an ftp daemon so I could edit files on the pre in a real editor :) Jun 12 19:25:49 looks like WinSCP can't scp things to and from pre b/c /opt/bin/ Jun 12 19:25:54 is not in PATH Jun 12 19:26:36 tydog, change /etc/profile to update your path Jun 12 19:26:55 excellent thanks Jun 12 19:26:59 that should probably be added to wiki Jun 12 19:27:10 bpadalino|work: look at my message a couple lines up Jun 12 19:27:19 mikedg, which file are you in? Jun 12 19:27:23 when trying to update ipkg, i get a no space left on /tmp.... what should be there.... how big should /tmp be? Jun 12 19:27:27 cyanidepoison, yeah - and started writing to the bulk endpoints Jun 12 19:27:29 and reading Jun 12 19:27:52 so now it will scan for a palm device, then the novacom class, subclass and protocol (so future phones should work with it as well?) Jun 12 19:28:16 yeah, probably Jun 12 19:28:16 cheddar314: it should be as big as the package is AFAIK Jun 12 19:28:38 I just passed that on to the guy who wrote iRecovery Jun 12 19:28:48 how would I resize /tmp? Jun 12 19:28:50 im out Jun 12 19:28:53 cya guys Jun 12 19:28:56 oh, he wants to write stuff for the pre as well ? Jun 12 19:29:15 yeah. he already namd it "precovery" Jun 12 19:29:19 ha Jun 12 19:29:20 nice Jun 12 19:29:42 is his stuff public yet ? Jun 12 19:30:27 what do you mean by public? Jun 12 19:30:32 on github ? Jun 12 19:31:18 it isn't like that yet, he's just talking with people about it Jun 12 19:31:30 oh ok Jun 12 19:31:52 how would I move a file that is on my desktop to /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/images in terminal? I can only see opt/nova/bin mounted Jun 12 19:31:57 * cyanidepoison knows that this person were talking about is westbaer Jun 12 19:32:42 collzx, you could scp it over - but are you using usb ? Jun 12 19:32:45 collzx: /media/internal is the usb mountable drive. copy it there first then cp in terminal Jun 12 19:32:56 collzx, you have to copy it when its in USB mode Jun 12 19:33:14 i'd like to actually write a novaftp since it supports getting and putting files .. and running commands Jun 12 19:33:15 ok thanks guys, i'll try that Jun 12 19:33:40 and bpadalino, what is scp? would it be easier the usb way? Jun 12 19:33:59 my /tmp seems to be too small or I've done something wrong... ipkg-opt can't copy the .ipkg to /tmp... any ideas? Jun 12 19:34:04 scp copies over using ssh over wifi Jun 12 19:34:04 s = secure cp = copy Jun 12 19:34:06 I copied all of the /usr files to the media/internal portion and edit all of my stuff in an editor then copy it back via usb then terminal in Jun 12 19:34:19 it's a pain in the ass but i like it for completeness Jun 12 19:34:36 i wonder how big svn is for ipkg .. Jun 12 19:34:43 :P Jun 12 19:51:01 so umm question, anyone using /media/internal to build/install stuffs? Jun 12 19:51:03 who was working on app installation without reboot ? Jun 12 19:51:09 or ya'll just using /? Jun 12 19:52:31 the result of looking at dbus-util when installing an application: http://webos.pastebin.com/f6c531534 Jun 12 19:52:47 it looks like you just need to send a message to com.palm.appinstaller as the json shows Jun 12 19:54:12 bdumm: people are working on using a loopback file stored in /media/internal (I assume that's the vfat partition) to install things. This is in order to minimize loss when an update occurs Jun 12 19:54:49 yeah it's vfat Jun 12 19:57:23 bpadalino, interesting, we should try and have whoever it was that replicated that one app to try this Jun 12 19:58:02 indeed Jun 12 19:58:20 try what? Jun 12 19:58:27 that was mike something right? Jun 12 19:58:28 sorry i was having connecivity issues Jun 12 19:58:32 was me :) Jun 12 19:58:35 ahhh thats why all the dd was about... Jun 12 19:58:38 thx summatusmentis Jun 12 19:58:39 I am betting an os update they will just update the bits that change. It would be costly in terms of bandwidth to send out 100 megs to every palm. There was an update today on there for the where app. Jun 12 19:58:55 and i'm stupid^h^h^h^h^h^h ballsy i'll try anything Jun 12 19:59:04 root@castle:/# cat /sys/bus/w1/devices/32-0008403d5367/getpercent Jun 12 19:59:04 46 Jun 12 19:59:07 oh noes! Jun 12 19:59:30 if we get this installer stuff working, i'm going to have a really busy weekend. Jun 12 19:59:50 Hmm. It'd be spiffy to have it text out an email of the battery percentage every hour or so... Jun 12 20:00:41 Which would actually be it telling my iPhone that its almost dead... Jun 12 20:00:51 lol Jun 12 20:00:58 it could send an email to itself :) Jun 12 20:01:14 my pre could email my centro to tell it it's about to sacrifice it's battery to a worthy cause Jun 12 20:01:36 Well, I have an iPhone as well (work pays for it) so it could let it know. Jun 12 20:01:55 has anyone gotten sound working from CL? Jun 12 20:02:00 has anyone gotten this thing detected as a modem? i'd be interested to see what AT modem commands work on it? Jun 12 20:02:12 be cool to have the pre play some type of whooping alarm when it his 5% Jun 12 20:03:28 tydog, paplay will play a sound from the cl Jun 12 20:04:15 Yo Jun 12 20:04:20 as for acting like a modem ... Jun 12 20:04:21 root 1510 0.0 0.2 2904 544 ttyACM0 Ss+ Jun11 0:00 pppd /dev/tts/modem0 file /etc/ppp/options-cdma mtu 1480 Jun 12 20:04:29 it looks like it's in place / Jun 12 20:04:39 What's cracking on the Hack front? Jun 12 20:05:48 first, everything done here tried to remain within legitimate modification :) Jun 12 20:06:07 second, checkout predev.wikidot.com :) Jun 12 20:06:12 Sounds good homie! Jun 12 20:06:24 s/tried/tries/ Jun 12 20:06:26 ah but being a hacker and being legitimate are not mutually exclusive :p Jun 12 20:06:48 bsiegel: true, just clarifying Jun 12 20:06:49 :-P Jun 12 20:07:23 Does everyone like their Pres? Jun 12 20:07:42 speaking of hacks, please tell me of this paper on battery crap Jun 12 20:08:29 i surmised it was not battery disconnect Jun 12 20:09:46 I know it is early but do you guys think that we will be able to run andriod on the Pre? Jun 12 20:09:55 Homies: Love it. Jun 12 20:10:00 why go backwards? Jun 12 20:10:10 HomiesInHarlem, why would we wanna do that Jun 12 20:10:21 HomiesInHarlem, we could do that, but I don't really want to do it. Jun 12 20:10:29 HomiesInHarlem: I don't think anyone knows yet if we're able to put custom images on the Pre Jun 12 20:10:42 summatusmentis, we determined we could Jun 12 20:10:46 Sargun: Why not? More apps. More choices. More customization. Jun 12 20:10:57 Sargun: did someone do it? Jun 12 20:11:14 summatusmentis, we can load a custom image into ram Jun 12 20:11:19 Sargun: I know it is early and do not want to be yelled at but... How long do YOU THINK it will take for them to get anroid fully up and running on the Pre? Jun 12 20:11:23 HomiesInHarlem, It would take longer to get android than to write our own app. Jun 12 20:11:36 Sargun: I am sure. But how long? Jun 12 20:11:39 HomiesInHarlem, It took about 3 months for 10 guys to port Android to the OpenMoko Jun 12 20:11:42 HomiesInHarlem: we'd have to build a custom android image Jun 12 20:11:56 and I'm guessing it would take about 5 times as long. Jun 12 20:12:07 Sargun: have we flashed anything yet? Jun 12 20:12:18 summatusmentis, I don't think so. Jun 12 20:12:24 I would rather see people making things for WebOs than to spend all that time trying to get Android. Jun 12 20:12:28 The amount of technology involved for me to be SSHed into my phone just now is hilarious Jun 12 20:12:34 Ksilebo, haha Jun 12 20:12:38 summatusmentis: 3 months 10 guys. If a bunch of us chipped in and worked hard it would take A LOT LESS time. Keep in mind that the Pre is more hyped than the OpenMoko Jun 12 20:12:54 HomiesInHarlem, but we don't know as much about the platform. Jun 12 20:13:00 HomiesInHarlem, I'm not interested in ti. Jun 12 20:13:05 HomiesInHarlem: I'm not sure I understand why we'd do Android when we've got WebOS? Jun 12 20:13:18 Desktop > SSH through proxy to webhost > SSH to phone. Jun 12 20:13:18 Sargun: I am not suggesting WE do it. I am sure others will though. Jun 12 20:13:43 Millions of dollars of infrastructure between me and the phone like that, but all of 2 inches physically. Jun 12 20:13:53 Ksilebo: is there a reason you can't just ssh through proxy to phone? Jun 12 20:13:54 summatusmentis: Web OS is great. Amazing! But it does have it limitations. Android fills some of those. Jun 12 20:14:02 bpadalino, hey mike said he change appinfo.js "edited teh appinfo.json and then restarted phone to refresh launcher cache" Jun 12 20:14:07 then he restarted the phone Jun 12 20:14:14 Tydog: yep that's what i did Jun 12 20:14:20 i've replicated the sudoko app, and changed up some stuff Jun 12 20:14:20 summatusmentis: Not anymore, I just changed the port to something the proxy will allow me to SSH through. Jun 12 20:14:29 HomiesInHarlem, I'm sure you could get help about it here, but you aren't gunna get people porting for you Jun 12 20:14:32 what did you change in appinfo.js? Jun 12 20:14:33 Thus the extra hop from my webhost. Jun 12 20:14:43 HomiesInHarlem: limitations like what? I'm kinda of the same mindset, I'd rather see people fixing the limitations of WebOS than working on Android Jun 12 20:15:10 The proxy's endpoint is in Palo alto though, and I'm in Colorado Jun 12 20:15:13 i want to try and replicate the call the installer app makes to com.palm.appinstaller Jun 12 20:15:34 tydog, just giving the app a new name most likely .. Jun 12 20:15:35 Tydog: ditto Jun 12 20:15:42 so we can install without having to restart Jun 12 20:15:43 Sargun: I am not trying to work on it. Nor am I looking for people to do it. I am sure that a group of people will do it on their own. Jun 12 20:15:43 i think the downloadmanager tells teh appinstaller something .. Jun 12 20:15:52 HomiesInHarlem, ok Jun 12 20:16:27 let me see how the downloadmanager calls the appinstaller Jun 12 20:16:38 summatusmentis: Biggest problem that comes to mind... WebOS is a Web based Operating system... Surprise Surprise... We can do more intense things in Android Jun 12 20:16:57 HomiesInHarlem: WebOS is only sort of a Web based Operating System Jun 12 20:17:08 the apps are intended to be web applications stored locally, yes Jun 12 20:17:54 but we've got root on the device in the linux subsystem, people have written "hello world" java apps to run on the Pre's java vm, and all seems to be indicating that we're not limited to web apps Jun 12 20:18:11 Homies: Doom is running on it. Jun 12 20:18:17 there's someone here running a publically accessible web server on his phone Jun 12 20:18:40 Doom as a native application is running on it Jun 12 20:18:50 summatusmentis: Who? How? Jun 12 20:19:08 Hommie: http://predev.wikidot.com/doom Jun 12 20:19:09 HomiesInHarlem: check out the wiki, there's a write-up on how to install native packages Jun 12 20:19:16 HomiesInHarlem: read the wiki.. Jun 12 20:19:16 and that Jun 12 20:19:34 Lurking_Grue, mhmm Jun 12 20:19:52 changed app name and company to be unique Jun 12 20:19:55 oh, btw Sargun, congrats on the media attention :) Jun 12 20:20:04 summatusmentis, haha, thanks. Jun 12 20:20:17 mikewx, cool then all you did is restart and it showed up in app directory? Jun 12 20:20:18 summatusmentis: The wiki shows how to run a publicly accessible web server on the Pre? Jun 12 20:20:20 sorry i'm distracted with work Jun 12 20:20:25 Tydog: correct, on the first page Jun 12 20:20:30 also required a restart to change icon Jun 12 20:20:40 HomiesInHarlem: the wiki shows how to install packages, and in those packages are web servers Jun 12 20:20:50 there also appears to be some caching of code going on, changedi made via terminal did not take effect immediately Jun 12 20:20:52 you have access to lots and lots of packages, go check it out Jun 12 20:21:02 summatusmentis: Could I run a website from it. I mean like an actual site? Jun 12 20:21:12 theoretically, yes Jun 12 20:21:17 hmm cool mikewx Jun 12 20:21:24 we don't know how Sprint is gonna feel about it Jun 12 20:21:28 so we need to replicate the calls to the download manager Jun 12 20:21:53 http://webos.pastebin.com/f338240fd - dbus when installing an application .. Jun 12 20:21:54 very interesting Jun 12 20:21:57 yeah i tried starting/stopping dl manager to force a refresh, but that didn't work Jun 12 20:22:04 i was going to try downloading an app but i got distracted Jun 12 20:22:09 summatusmentis: Got a link? I can't find it. Jun 12 20:22:38 last i checked about a year ago, sprint blocks port 80. Jun 12 20:23:04 you can tell luna to install the ipk's themselves ... Jun 12 20:23:08 EvanPro: you can run webservers on other ports Jun 12 20:23:18 HomiesInHarlem: http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository, you'll need to root the device first Jun 12 20:23:22 hmmm Jun 12 20:23:36 summatusmentis: of course you can. i was just saying. Jun 12 20:23:42 yeah :) Jun 12 20:25:01 I do not have a Pre. I am debating. Jun 12 20:25:19 HomiesInHarlem: I don't either Jun 12 20:25:27 i wish i wasn't at work so i could be helping bpadalino track down the app refresh more. Jun 12 20:25:28 I do not think I will get a Pre until I can share the EVDO from the device to an iPod Touch. Jun 12 20:25:39 So it is like I have an iPhone 3G (which I do now) Jun 12 20:25:53 HomiesInHarlem: there's some evidence to suggest that this is either already possible, or will be soon Jun 12 20:26:01 HomiesInHarlem: i believe someone has ad-hoc tethering figured out on the forums... Jun 12 20:26:20 I got a bunch of stuff going on eBay right now so I can get a Pre Jun 12 20:26:23 EvanPro: Does ad-hoc mean EVDO output over WIFI? Jun 12 20:26:40 yes Jun 12 20:26:44 yeah, it does. Jun 12 20:26:56 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around.html Jun 12 20:27:03 I've tested forcing the wifi adapter into adhoc mode last night and am working on some utilities for that at the moment Jun 12 20:27:11 but maybe someone will beat me to an actual app to trigger it ;) Jun 12 20:27:16 it's a few replies down.. not the first solution with the router. Jun 12 20:27:51 summatusmentis: How would that work? How does it take in data via WiFi (requests) and output data vi WiFi (serving data)? Jun 12 20:28:05 although, given the purpose of the channel, tethering is a bit of a grey area, as we don't want to step on Palm/Sprints toes Jun 12 20:28:18 HomiesInHarlem: it's just like any other network forwarding, theoretically Jun 12 20:29:09 summatusmentis: So you think it will be done? So I can take the EVDO from the Pre and share it with an iPod Touch over WIFI (WIFI ONLY)? Jun 12 20:29:34 I'm not sure how usable it is now, but I'm almost positive it'll happen soon Jun 12 20:29:41 and yes, wifi only Jun 12 20:29:47 or bluetooth if you prefer Jun 12 20:29:48 question Jun 12 20:29:50 you get to decide Jun 12 20:30:09 will someone please try and replicate the first call here Jun 12 20:30:11 HomiesInHarlem: technically, yes... whether you can do this without breaking Sprint's TOS (which Palm is trying to respect, at least during the exclusive), is unlikely. Jun 12 20:30:13 http://webos.pastebin.com/f338240fd Jun 12 20:30:26 EvanPro++ Jun 12 20:30:45 and since Palm is trying to respect it, we're trying to respect it Jun 12 20:31:08 summatusmentis: Wifi. No question. And would this be a setting? Or an app on the launcher? Jun 12 20:31:34 HomiesInHarlem: assuming it's working now, it'll be a series of commands once you root the device Jun 12 20:31:45 I'm sure, once it's shown to work, someone will create an app for it Jun 12 20:32:07 but that's the point, you have the control, currently, to make it whatever you want Jun 12 20:32:18 you want it in a settings pane? put it there Jun 12 20:32:21 summatusmentis++ ... this group is working hard to keep a very good relationship with palm, the idea being that we'll accomplish much more in the end that way. Jun 12 20:32:25 summatusmentis: That is great! Although, to be honest, I do not care about the TOS. Jun 12 20:32:39 HomiesInHarlem: omthat's your decision, we do Jun 12 20:32:54 I should probably read the TOS Jun 12 20:32:59 there is another channel on efnet i believe that gives the finger to the TOS Jun 12 20:33:08 Ok, what other totally bad ass things can I do? Jun 12 20:33:12 How do I transfer png images to /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/images through PuTTY? Jun 12 20:33:16 HomiesInHarlem: our point is, we do.. and we don't want people talking about violating Sprint/Palm terms and such here, in order to keep our good relationship going. Jun 12 20:33:32 I think consensus is that we won't be discussing specifics into how to do it here, and I think we're leaning towards not hosting instructions on our wiki ("our", emkman is running it) Jun 12 20:33:33 ultraBlack: easiest way is copy them to the usb drive and then copy them to the local fs with the putty shell Jun 12 20:33:39 Sargun: get fbterm working :) Jun 12 20:33:47 summatusmentis - EvanPro: And I respect that. I mean no disrespect. Peace from harlem! Peace from harlem! I will not discuss it any longer! Jun 12 20:33:49 mikewx: thanks Jun 12 20:33:59 HomiesInHarlem: if you're lookig for less legit things, check out the other channel listed in the /topic Jun 12 20:34:10 btw usb drive does work at same time as terminal. very handy Jun 12 20:34:25 mikewx: what is the command to copy files? Jun 12 20:34:28 summatusmentis: It is fine. As I said Peace from harlem! I will not discuss it any longer! Jun 12 20:34:33 HomiesInHarlem: no, I'm not trying to come down hard, we just wanna keep Palm (and subsequently Sprint) happy :-D Jun 12 20:34:36 cp Jun 12 20:34:41 mikewx: k Jun 12 20:34:52 summatusmentis: That makes sense I want to do that as well! Jun 12 20:35:24 HomiesInHarlem: in summary, yes, I think it'll happen (if it hasn't already), but we're not going into specifics. :-P Jun 12 20:35:26 whats the DG in in blau-mikeDG stand for? Jun 12 20:35:35 * nebula1 got doom to load on the Pre Jun 12 20:35:36 HomiesInHarlem: how familiar are you with linux? Jun 12 20:35:36 So the Pre's CPU is 6xx MHz? Jun 12 20:35:44 thanks to Sargun Jun 12 20:35:50 summatusmentis: Not too much. A little bit. Jun 12 20:35:59 Who here wants a podcatcher on the Pre? Jun 12 20:36:13 nebula1, :-) Jun 12 20:36:15 yeah, the cpu is 6xx Mhz, but it's underclocked to ~500Mhz Jun 12 20:36:22 Sargun: I have some things I want to do but you need to figure them out first. Get to the mind reading and hop to it Jun 12 20:36:31 fwiw, root@castle:~/.prboom# df: cannot read table of mounted file systems Jun 12 20:36:35 weird Jun 12 20:36:40 Sargun: that'd be cool, but personally I'd want an interface for it :) Jun 12 20:36:40 Sar: Me! Jun 12 20:36:48 also, I have no device, so ignore me Jun 12 20:36:56 bbl Jun 12 20:36:57 blau-mikeDG: whats the DG stand for? Jun 12 20:37:01 chrisa, you're such an interesting person. Jun 12 20:37:17 can someone recommend a good js primer for washed up c coders? Jun 12 20:37:19 Sargun: Why? I can't release things unless someone else figured them out first :p Jun 12 20:37:22 Ok, first question, has anyone figured out how to make the Pre work with WiFi ad-hoc networks? Jun 12 20:37:25 mikewx: My USB drive functionality seems to disable SSH Jun 12 20:37:33 chrisa, haha Jun 12 20:37:46 ultraBlack: not sure about that, i just use usb and novaproxy. i don't like the idea of ssh running :) Jun 12 20:37:52 summatusmentis: Here is something I think you can answer. (If you do not mind). Any chance we can overclock it (or at least bring it back up to the 6xx MHz)? Jun 12 20:37:55 mikewx: Ah. Jun 12 20:38:01 has anyone been able to create their own ipk package? Jun 12 20:38:03 HomiesInHarlem: there be dragons there Jun 12 20:38:26 chrisa: So I would not be the first to do it. Some brave soul will. But is it possible? Jun 12 20:38:36 I know it could not be done on the iPhone. Jun 12 20:38:42 edektor: my last name Jun 12 20:38:43 HomiesInHarlem: someone, I can't remember who, looked into that. Apparently TI (the people who make the cpu) don't actually build their cpu's to withstand that level Jun 12 20:38:48 that's one part of the OMAP that i am disappointed about is the pretty inflexible clocking scheme ... they are all related to each other in strange ways Jun 12 20:38:49 HomiesInHarlem: there's a script in /etc/init.d that sets the speed, you could manually change it too Jun 12 20:39:03 You'd have to look into the omap spec, but I really doubt the chip/board are going to handle additional heat from doing that well Jun 12 20:39:07 lucky i caught that i didnt realise i connected :) Jun 12 20:39:11 HomiesInHarlem: something about how it'll only last for some period of time at that speed, and lasts significantly longer underclocked Jun 12 20:39:20 I changed the status bar color! Jun 12 20:39:21 cool Jun 12 20:39:31 blau-mikeDG: thought it might be Digital Gangster :P Jun 12 20:39:39 ah nahh much more mundane Jun 12 20:39:41 summatusmentis: So maybe scale it down a bit then. And how much RAM? Jun 12 20:40:00 a white status bar makes it hard to read crap, but at least im different :) Jun 12 20:40:04 chrisa, when doing your development, did you care that the shield on the board was soldered down so tight ? Jun 12 20:40:05 HomiesInHarlem: someone was saying last night that TI said overclocking (or even bring it back up to 6xx) will really decrease the life of the CPU. Jun 12 20:40:15 HomiesInHarlem: I think roughly 256mb Jun 12 20:40:55 does anyone know how to make .ipk packages? if we can replicate the download/install process we can install apps without reboot Jun 12 20:40:57 yeah, I think what the TI people said is that 500 is where it shoudl be, anything more will kill the chip Jun 12 20:40:58 EvanPro: Just because TI said it does not make it true. Also, What about decreasing it then? To 4xx MHz for an even longer battery life, device life, and less heat? Jun 12 20:41:03 Evan: Bet it would kill your battery though. Jun 12 20:41:06 i hate the rf cans enough ... i can't imagine something that's soldered and epoxied down Jun 12 20:41:10 HomiesInHarlem: TI made the cpu :) it does make it true Jun 12 20:41:29 How do I use novaproxy? Jun 12 20:41:34 summatusmentis: They may just be sayign that. Better safe than sorry type of thing. Jun 12 20:41:44 but yeah, theoretically clocking the cpu either up or down is possible Jun 12 20:41:52 summatusmentis: Also, What about decreasing it then? To 4xx MHz for an even longer battery life, device life, and less heat? Jun 12 20:41:53 You can trust TI's hardware document. They're not going to lie to their customers Jun 12 20:42:26 i've found the OMAP2420 support is significantly worse than the OMAP3 support so far ... it seems they really want the OMAP3 stuff to take off Jun 12 20:42:26 ultraBlack: connect Pre by usb, ensure novacomd (The Palm Novacom service) is running, run novaproxy, connect to localhost:8023 with settings as described the comments in novaproxy.py Jun 12 20:42:37 HomiesInHarlem: yep, theoretically that should be possible Jun 12 20:42:39 Anyone here gotten into the area of reverse engineering the busses? Jun 12 20:42:41 HomiesInHarlem: someone also already declocked it, and also set linux to auto adjust it, but they said it made the UI too laggy. Jun 12 20:42:57 Ah... I give up Jun 12 20:42:59 LOL Jun 12 20:43:01 hehe Jun 12 20:43:04 sargun, i've started with novacomd re-write so linux nerds can get in on the action Jun 12 20:43:10 bpadalino, excellent Jun 12 20:43:16 bpadalino, btw, you're an FPGA god, right Jun 12 20:43:19 using libusb i am able to get the device and start doing bulk transfers to the proper endpoints Jun 12 20:43:25 god? i dunno about a god Jun 12 20:43:28 but it's what i do all day Jun 12 20:43:33 bpadalino|work: this linux nerd says thanks! Jun 12 20:43:41 well .. what i should do all day :( Jun 12 20:44:02 Man, I wish I could do FPGAs, the second I touch hardware everything goes up in flames Jun 12 20:44:04 i implement wireless comms algorithms in fpga's Jun 12 20:44:12 for sdr Jun 12 20:44:19 Yes, a linux driver would be very much appreciated. Jun 12 20:44:23 Okay so moving on. What cool things are hackers working on for the Pre? Jun 12 20:44:25 bpadalino, like cell, IEEE, or something else? Jun 12 20:44:26 i've become more and more of a signal processing guy over the year Jun 12 20:44:42 sargun, something elsd Jun 12 20:44:43 else Jun 12 20:45:32 asendeno_work: How do I ensure novacomd is running? Thanks Jun 12 20:45:53 Is there Skype for Pre? Could I run Slingbox over the emulator? Jun 12 20:46:08 man google is your friend Homies Jun 12 20:46:19 ultrablack, which os / Jun 12 20:46:36 bpadalino: Win Vista Jun 12 20:46:43 I found this page on novacomd: http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-hacking ?? Jun 12 20:46:46 task manager should show it running ? Jun 12 20:47:03 bpadalino: Yes, it is running Jun 12 20:47:15 so you've ensured it! Jun 12 20:47:19 yay Jun 12 20:47:33 bpadalino: Got it. I was confused when Python froze up Jun 12 20:47:49 ah Jun 12 20:47:51 The Python shell I have turns white (the whole window), as if it were frozen. stupid vista Jun 12 20:47:57 PuTTY works though now. Thank you Jun 12 20:47:58 weaksauce Jun 12 20:48:07 I have rootz! Jun 12 20:49:55 Hey Jun 12 20:50:05 Anyone know of cool things hackers are working on? Jun 12 20:50:12 Homies Jun 12 20:50:17 dude your asking the same thing ove rand over again Jun 12 20:50:27 Homie: The planet. Jun 12 20:51:12 Homie: read a while - http://predev.wikidot.com/system:list-all-pages Jun 12 20:51:20 One last quick question: where are the contents of the root of the USB drive located? Jun 12 20:51:36 /media/internal Jun 12 20:51:38 ultraBlack: /media/internal Jun 12 20:51:47 Thanks Jun 12 20:52:35 Sargun you still wanting to distribute some image??? Jun 12 20:52:46 bdumm, you still wanna mirror stuff Jun 12 20:53:04 I think mdklein_ got it for now, but more mirrors the merrier Jun 12 20:53:08 sure, was thinking of putting it on my pre, I gots ips too so I don't have to worry about TOS :) Jun 12 20:53:26 gotta build me some webservers etc for my pre too but .... Jun 12 20:53:33 http://www.public.iastate.edu/~mdklein/debsmall.img.bz2 Jun 12 20:53:48 muchas garcias, I'll post link when it's ready... Jun 12 20:54:07 i have 5 servers and 256 IP's for my free ringtone site i run... and plenty of bandwidth to go around. Jun 12 20:54:13 "I gots ips too so I don't have to worry about TOS" Jun 12 20:54:17 What does that even mean? Jun 12 20:54:34 who knows? Jun 12 20:54:38 meaning that I am not using Sprint's but my network Jun 12 20:54:39 that I'm not responsible. Jun 12 20:54:46 ie for webserver->downloads of an image Jun 12 20:54:52 Man, palm needs to pump out more Pres Jun 12 20:55:00 Sargun said the image was all gpl/debian ie legal too Jun 12 20:55:05 * asedeno_work refrains from makign a star trek joke. Jun 12 20:55:07 - Jun 12 20:55:08 sargun, i think it's foxconn that is holding them up ? Jun 12 20:55:12 palm needs to pump out an official sdk Jun 12 20:55:14 low yields ? Jun 12 20:55:21 (different department, they can do both) Jun 12 20:55:21 bdumm, I don't know if it's GPL Jun 12 20:55:27 bdumm, but it's debian (legal) Jun 12 20:55:40 oh sorry thought you said gpl as well :) Jun 12 20:56:03 should i start building json web services / a database schema / etc, for a homebrew/open source app catalog? Jun 12 20:56:12 sure Jun 12 20:56:23 * bdumm agrees Jun 12 20:56:29 sweet. will do. Jun 12 20:56:41 The only thing that shows up in /media/internal using ls is 'DCIM' Jun 12 20:56:45 anyone have some random webos domain they bought but aren't using? lol Jun 12 20:57:06 * bdumm does Jun 12 20:57:07 EvanPro: That sound like something I would be interested in, let me know if I can help. Don't have any domains though. Jun 12 20:57:08 lol Jun 12 20:57:22 networkplaces.com Jun 12 20:57:23 EvanPro: just use apt instead of doing all that work Jun 12 20:57:32 someone in here bought webos-dev.org I think Jun 12 20:58:27 i'll just use one of my personal domains for now. Jun 12 20:58:31 I can probably digg up a godaddy gift card somewhere and get a webos-dev.net for 99 cents Jun 12 20:58:37 we can make it whatever. Jun 12 20:58:52 ripper: Would you happen to know why the only thing in /media/internal according to this is DCIM? Jun 12 20:59:04 i tried the pre and thought it was hard to use. i am not used to the gestures and did not know how to navigate. does this get better in time? Jun 12 20:59:04 I bought webos{-,}internals.{com,net,org}, which is being used right now for the subversion repository (svn.webosinternals.org, although people still talk about the svn.saurik.com/repos mapping for the same repository) and has a link for the wiki Jun 12 20:59:08 i don't want to just use apt cause i want to make it almost "competitive" with palms catalog.. screen shots, reviews, etc. Jun 12 20:59:35 we'd need some custom db stuff on the server side for all of that. Jun 12 20:59:55 * saurik (is waiting to see how palm runs their SDK and app catalog policies before bothering to start porting Cydia and any of his existing infrastructure) Jun 12 21:00:01 saurik: tell him about Cydia Jun 12 21:00:09 lol Jun 12 21:00:23 webos-dev.net taken Jun 12 21:00:28 like, there's no point of having a third party catalog if Palm is simply going to be entirely open Jun 12 21:00:51 unless it's a /native/ app catalog or something Jun 12 21:00:57 (wiki.webosinternals.org, btw; someone was supposed to tag eckman or whatever for me, so we could get the wikidot wiki in the hands of someone who is willing to pay for it) Jun 12 21:01:23 saurik: I haven't seen emkman Jun 12 21:01:23 do you really think it's likely they make it totally open though? think about that from a business perspective. Jun 12 21:01:29 bsiegel: and we know they are 100% against native things? android's catalog has all kinds of tings in it that require root ;P Jun 12 21:01:32 Sargun: until I get web services on my pre use this for mirror link http://bcpub.com/debsmall.img.bz2 Jun 12 21:01:37 EvanPro: Android's is Jun 12 21:01:38 saurik you should bring cydia to the pre Jun 12 21:01:41 (google only pulls things down that are illegal) Jun 12 21:01:50 yes but Android is open... Jun 12 21:02:00 we don't know that WebOS won't be Jun 12 21:02:22 Guest95965: as I said: I'm waiting until the SDK is out; in the mean time, however, I'm "preparing" for such Jun 12 21:02:22 i agree... i guess we could wait, but it would be nice to have a little groundwork for if we find out it's not... Jun 12 21:02:42 * saurik (is even working on moving cydia closer to being designed like a webos application on the iphone as he says that) Jun 12 21:02:54 it wouldn't take much to build it... i'll build the whole backend / serverside part if someone else takes on the client. Jun 12 21:02:57 saurik: true, maybe in time they will allow for native apps. For now though, I would guess the only thing they are willing to offer is the plugin model like the classic emulator Jun 12 21:03:00 Cydia is one big webpage already anyway Jun 12 21:03:09 saurik. i say release it. ull make money. itll make it more exciting now. and more importantly (it may force plams hand) Jun 12 21:03:52 saurik: btw thank you so much for what you have done for the iPhone community. ur work is greatly appreciated. Jun 12 21:04:33 EvanPro: you can add custom fields to apt repo entries to point to a URL for reviews or screenshots or something. writing EVERYTHING from scratch (especially the package management part) is just silly Jun 12 21:05:23 cyanidepoison: yeah, i just realized that lol. Jun 12 21:05:33 (the custom fields) Jun 12 21:06:31 that's what Cydia does (the current release of cydia is also mostly mostly compatible with the Maemo extended dpkg control fields, and I'm working on making it more so) Jun 12 21:07:05 nice Jun 12 21:07:37 although i'll admit, i'd like to write the backend / webservices myself... it'd be a fun / quick little project. Jun 12 21:08:04 quick? Jun 12 21:08:07 no one is stopping you... it just seems more logical to use 15+ years of technology and adapt it Jun 12 21:08:13 * saurik goes back to concentrating on his webos'ing-of-cydia project Jun 12 21:08:48 saurik: how do you have time? is someone paying you to do this? Jun 12 21:09:20 well if saurik is already doing it with cydia.. i won't bother making an "alternative" to what he's doing. he seems to have done a very good job with Cydia, although i've never used it. Jun 12 21:09:37 summatusmentis: (you caught me before I task switched entirely away from the IRC client :P) cydia makes money in various ways, one of which being an internal store Jun 12 21:09:48 oh wow, saurik! it didn't click in my head that you might be cydia saurik! Jun 12 21:09:49 my only issue with Cydia is the ads, but it's understandable Jun 12 21:09:58 saurik: so you're living off of cydia? Jun 12 21:10:02 thanks so much for all your work on cydia Jun 12 21:10:12 the annoying ads are from packagers; I spend a lot of time trying to make useful description pages for my own packages Jun 12 21:10:18 granted Jun 12 21:10:19 a lot of ads... nevermind Jun 12 21:10:25 (and the ads on my pages are light and themed with the UI) Jun 12 21:10:25 saurik: is cydia open source? Jun 12 21:10:31 if i made one, i'll do it fully open source and host it for free. my ringtone site is paying for all the servers / bandwidth. Jun 12 21:10:40 Guest95965: yes; it uses APT, which is GPL Jun 12 21:10:52 I can't figure this out. Why are no files showing up in /media/internal?! Jun 12 21:10:59 http://svn.saurik.com/repos/menes/trunk/cydia/ Jun 12 21:11:07 saurik: but the cydia app itself. the source code for it. is open source? Jun 12 21:11:07 (again, not really wanting to compete with cydia though if that's where saurik's going) Jun 12 21:11:09 tiem to go, not sure how much play i'll do this weekend but have fun you guys. i expect a working app store on monday fully populated with iFart clones :) Jun 12 21:11:16 Guest95965: yes; it uses APT, which is /GPL/ ;P Jun 12 21:11:22 saurik: great Jun 12 21:11:36 i say that some of the more skilled members in here change it up to work on webos Jun 12 21:11:39 LOL Jun 12 21:11:43 haha we'll see mikewx Jun 12 21:12:00 I just posted a link to the svn where cydia lives Jun 12 21:12:01 lol Jun 12 21:12:30 one REALLY REALLY long source file :P Jun 12 21:12:47 cyanidepoison: open the file in vim Jun 12 21:12:54 cyanidepoison: I use folds where other people use files (ick) Jun 12 21:12:59 * saurik (doesn't understand why people like having lots of files) Jun 12 21:13:08 * bdumm installs perl... Jun 12 21:13:14 that would simplify writing a makefile, I suppose Jun 12 21:13:29 saurik: you... cydia is one source file? ugh Jun 12 21:13:41 it's called organization dude :) Jun 12 21:14:10 Winterboard is one big source file too Jun 12 21:14:10 summatusmentis: Cydia is heavily organized; "files" and "organization" do not equal each other Jun 12 21:14:16 not, not necessarily Jun 12 21:14:18 summatusmentis: again, open it in vim; I HATE it when people randomly seperate things into files with no truly semantic reason to Jun 12 21:14:24 why dont we get cydia up and running on webos Jun 12 21:14:28 right, not "necessarily" Jun 12 21:14:29 i guess i overlooked update managment as the one piece apt really would kick my ass on, if i wanted to make my own backend. Jun 12 21:14:32 who wants to wait for palm to launch the sdk Jun 12 21:15:08 saurik: no, you're allowed to do whatever you want, I'm just working on OpenAFS as a Summer of Code student, and I'm sitting here imagining it all as one file Jun 12 21:15:11 Guest95965, i thought releasing the pre was releasing the SDK.... Jun 12 21:15:12 :-P Jun 12 21:15:32 i could make one for simple catalog stuff / downloading / etc.. but then managing updates would kind of suck... Jun 12 21:15:36 EvanPro: you really seem into this. go for it. make some cimpetition for cydia. competition is a good thing. besides saurik does not seem willing to launch it till the sdk it out. Jun 12 21:15:41 summatusmentis: what are you doing with openafs? Jun 12 21:15:54 bdumm: nope. the sdk is not out yet. Jun 12 21:16:10 mdklein_: working on re-ordering the cache managers servers lists to account for network conditions instead of outdate architecture assumptions Jun 12 21:16:10 i'm 100% willing to... but we'd have to have a good solution for developers to push out updates with. Jun 12 21:16:13 Guest95965: in practice, it is almost impossible that I'd be done with anything until after the SDK is out anwyay ;P Jun 12 21:16:27 and i would want someone to commit to helping me with the client app for the pre itself. Jun 12 21:16:28 yea i know but there is plenty out there that the sdk seems more the official way, most tidbits seem known now... Jun 12 21:16:32 because there is no point in launching if everything can be in the palm catalog Jun 12 21:16:38 EvanPro: personally, I think you should build the fastest roughest thing possible, as then you'll have something that works Jun 12 21:16:39 saurik. im just curious. and we will not hold u to it. but how long do u think it would take? Jun 12 21:16:59 Saurik: we can only hope it will be out before you are done. Jun 12 21:17:18 Installer was /really useful/ to the iPhone community, even though it sucked; people were just too religious about it once we had a more full solution (which then held things back) Jun 12 21:17:20 EvanPro: what exactly do you need. i know domeone who may be interested. Jun 12 21:17:45 saurik: non commitment eta? Jun 12 21:17:49 saurik: dude Jun 12 21:17:52 (Installer was out almost immediately, as it was a very simple solution that only really relied on some code stuff in Objective-C) Jun 12 21:18:00 http://img268.imageshack.us/i/captureqqo.jpg/ <- Can anyone explain this? Jun 12 21:18:01 there are people that _still_ insist on using it Jun 12 21:18:01 just someone who wants to build the frontend.. i'll build and host the serverside portion and api's... Jun 12 21:18:03 hey guys, new here - saw on the wiki that the irc channel is logged, is that online where i can catch up? Jun 12 21:18:03 :P Jun 12 21:18:06 so annoying Jun 12 21:18:22 sorry here direct link: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4158/captureqqo.jpg Jun 12 21:18:23 and then there came Icy. Jun 12 21:18:25 Guest95965: I was still answering a previous question, but my explicit answer to you was still going to be "don't know" Jun 12 21:18:26 lol Jun 12 21:18:37 ultraBlack: What, the DCIM folder/ Jun 12 21:18:53 chrisa: Why does nothing else show up BUT the DCIM folder? Jun 12 21:19:00 yeah, Icy is just /evil/; it isn't APT: they reimplemented APT, and it doesn't work right :( I now get bug reports from people on any package that uses Depends: on a Provides:, for example, because some users insist on using it Jun 12 21:19:07 ultra: you haven't copied anything to it yet? Jun 12 21:19:12 if they would just implement APT correctly it would be fine :( Jun 12 21:19:15 evanpro: i am not the best coder. what will this person need to know. what languages. what else? i have someone in mind who may b very interested. Jun 12 21:19:17 (although that's really hard) Jun 12 21:19:26 (but they don't seem to believe it's important) Jun 12 21:19:43 Lurking_Grue: How do I copy from the root of the USB drive to /media/internal? Jun 12 21:19:48 libcurl is cool and all, but libapt-dpkg is better Jun 12 21:19:58 for that purpose, that is Jun 12 21:20:12 i'd prefer one of the guys who are already familiar with the webos / mojo / mvc stuff enough to make the client for the pre. Jun 12 21:20:22 err, i keep forgettign to put Guest95965: Jun 12 21:20:32 EvanPro: okay now i see Jun 12 21:20:33 o/ dkirker Jun 12 21:20:48 Ultr: /media/internal is the root of the usb drive. Jun 12 21:20:53 EvanPro private IRC chat. respond please. Jun 12 21:20:57 ok, regardless, I'm off to keep working on factoring out Cydia's webviews better for both this purpose, and a few other random webos related things I'm working on; later all! Jun 12 21:21:05 hi summatusmentis! Jun 12 21:21:14 Lurking_Grue: Then why isn't anything showing up in it? Jun 12 21:21:18 howsit dkirker1? Jun 12 21:21:31 summatusmentis: not too bad Jun 12 21:21:39 good! Jun 12 21:21:42 Lurking_Grue: You can see from the screenshot that I have lots of files in my USB drive (F:) but when I do ls in PuTTY it only shows DCIM. Jun 12 21:22:11 ls -a ? Jun 12 21:22:22 Hello All, anyone came up with a terminal app for rooted Pres yet? Jun 12 21:22:31 DBeta: no. Jun 12 21:23:11 Darn. I really should stop idling in here, so at least it wont seem weird when I greet everyone without joining. Jun 12 21:23:18 ult: how do you have the drive mounted and shelling in? when I mount the drive I get kicked out. Jun 12 21:23:22 summatusmentis: just finishing up finals. Jun 12 21:23:39 Lurking_Grue: I'm using novaproxy Jun 12 21:23:40 dkirker1: that's really really late Jun 12 21:23:47 dkirker1: I was done halfway through may Jun 12 21:23:50 ultraBlack: did you try ls -a? dumb question, i know... Jun 12 21:24:14 summatusmentis: Cal Poly is on the quarter system. Then Monday I start back at work! :) Jun 12 21:24:21 EvanPro: No, not dumb. I don't know how to navigate Linux Jun 12 21:24:28 it is really annoying that sprint does not allow data connections *during* calls Jun 12 21:24:28 EvanPro: Let me try that Jun 12 21:24:54 even though their network could potentially allow such a thing Jun 12 21:25:02 jesus Jun 12 21:25:05 dkirker1: so you're the hold up on the SDK :-P Jun 12 21:25:07 makes the navigator somewhat less useful Jun 12 21:25:09 dbus has some ridiculous syntax ... Jun 12 21:25:13 just so silly ... Jun 12 21:25:19 Ult: if you copy something from the linux partition to /media/internal does it show up on the windows mounted drive? Jun 12 21:25:19 summatusmentis: LOL! >.< Jun 12 21:25:21 dbus is pretty ridiculous Jun 12 21:25:25 EvanPro: ls -a gives ". .. DCIM" Jun 12 21:25:31 but it looks like i cracked the nut! Jun 12 21:25:39 we should be able to send dbus messages now Jun 12 21:25:40 dang... Jun 12 21:25:46 to novacomd? Jun 12 21:25:49 Lurking_Grue: checking.. Jun 12 21:25:51 touch Jun 12 21:26:00 dkirker1: :-P how'd finals go? Jun 12 21:26:24 bpadalino, almost have my own .ipk package going Jun 12 21:26:25 Lurking_Grue: no. Jun 12 21:26:33 http://webos.pastebin.com/f4e313453 - how to use dbus to send a message ... so now we should be able to use the services appropriately Jun 12 21:26:34 its really just copying what the sudoko app does Jun 12 21:26:35 Random question : If you enable developer mode, does it erase your Sprint phone registration (can you still make / receive calls and such) Jun 12 21:26:36 but its PoC Jun 12 21:26:44 now - i just wish i knew how to look at all the dbus interface methods Jun 12 21:26:45 summatusmentis: meh.... I'm getting kicked out, and I get to appeal that. I suppose finals went really well, classes not so much. I still have a 5 page paper due in 2.5 hours. Jun 12 21:26:50 Maxsilver: No. I can make calls in dev mode Jun 12 21:27:11 dkirker1: oh no :( That bites. How likely is it that your appeal will work? Jun 12 21:27:26 ultraBlack : So it just erases stuff on the device (I can still tell it my "palm account" and get contacts and such back) -- just loose photos / music / ect Jun 12 21:27:39 bpadalino: we know where the services actually are? Jun 12 21:27:41 Maxsilver: It doesn't erase anything. Jun 12 21:27:42 summatusmentis: well, unless the budget cuts have created a problem, I am confident. Jun 12 21:27:48 Maxsilver: You just have to reboot the phone. Jun 12 21:27:53 oh, awesome Jun 12 21:28:00 Maxsilver: I know the 'reset' context is confusing Jun 12 21:28:07 I was worried too Jun 12 21:28:12 dkirker1: why would budget cuts affect your appeal process? Jun 12 21:28:59 summatusmentis: They are cutting classes and professors, so that means student enrollment is next. I'm not sure how that will affect appeals. Jun 12 21:29:11 ah, I see Jun 12 21:29:21 Hmm. ls works fine when the device is not mounted in windows. Alright. Jun 12 21:29:42 So novaproxy is no good to me here Jun 12 21:30:06 summatusmentis: wow. this channel has so many members! makes me proud. :) Jun 12 21:30:21 there are a lot of people, it gets hectic sometimes Jun 12 21:31:04 someone may want to take a look at this: http://code.google.com/p/dbus-tools/wiki/DBusCli Jun 12 21:31:13 dkirker1: you'll be prouder when you get your fanny back to work and get the SDK out :-P Jun 12 21:31:41 (I say as I don't have a device, and don't have time to do dev) Jun 12 21:31:57 ah, the dbus-cli is written in python :( Jun 12 21:32:05 summatusmentis: LOL Jun 12 21:32:11 no python on the pre? Jun 12 21:33:44 no Jun 12 21:34:53 dkirker1: but yeah, it's exciting here Jun 12 21:35:09 hi Jun 12 21:35:47 did anyone figure out how to get rid of the sleep and wake up cycle when not connected to power Jun 12 21:35:47 summatusmentis: not nearly exciting as where I'll be. :D Jun 12 21:35:53 Oh funny in my log I see " BATTERY: (1148.900024mAh, 97%, 100%_ui," the device says 100% but it keeps a different value just for the ui. Jun 12 21:36:12 dkirker1: nyah nyah nyah, I get to work on cool things while you guys are here undoing it all Jun 12 21:36:16 >_> Jun 12 21:36:22 lol Jun 12 21:36:31 summatusmentis: doh! Jun 12 21:36:38 :-P Jun 12 21:36:44 summatusmentis, give us some moments there won't be much left.... Jun 12 21:36:59 no, I'm sure it's not as exciting here as where you'll be dkirker1, but still, lots of fun Jun 12 21:37:30 bdumm: well, we don't know what happens with the next software update Jun 12 21:37:34 summatusmentis: Definitely! It is really cool to see how people have run with this, and it hasn't even been a week yet!! Jun 12 21:37:40 beyond "all changes go bye bye" Jun 12 21:37:52 i'm trying to root my pre, but when i run talk.py the command prompt closes before i can read what it said Jun 12 21:37:56 i'm on win 7 x64 Jun 12 21:38:03 dkirker1: I know right? I was all "I can wait, I don't need a pre now, etc. etc." but then I came here, and now I need a Pre NOW Jun 12 21:38:10 Brenner14, unsupported platform :-P Jun 12 21:38:12 dude open a command prompt first dir Jun 12 21:38:14 summatusmentis, do you think Palm is going some other route than what they have already went? Jun 12 21:38:14 Bren: open a command prompt first than then run it from there. Jun 12 21:38:16 summatusmentis: LOL Jun 12 21:38:17 anyway Jun 12 21:38:32 bdumm: I'm optimistic, but next update could kill everything, we don't really know Jun 12 21:38:39 thanks, i'll try that Jun 12 21:38:40 cdm knows. Jun 12 21:38:40 If it makes you feel better, I don't even have a production unit Jun 12 21:38:48 summatusmentis, it says "have fun" doesn't it? Jun 12 21:38:57 chrisa, Ah, don't you love the consumer electronic business? Jun 12 21:39:06 i mean it's the opening video and all that noise... Jun 12 21:39:10 I have a really abused old dev one though Jun 12 21:39:12 chrisa: nope, that doesn't really make me feel better :) Jun 12 21:39:17 I should call it "scratchy' Jun 12 21:39:22 I feel about the same as I did before knowing that Jun 12 21:39:30 If they lock it down, we probably just go back to 1.02 and work from there. Jun 12 21:39:34 chrisa, lol Jun 12 21:39:42 I don't expect that will happen though. Jun 12 21:39:50 bdumm: like I said, I'm optimistic Jun 12 21:39:56 asedeno_work: I hope not, but we'll see Jun 12 21:39:58 i think ya'll are paranoid :) Jun 12 21:40:13 ideally? I'd love to see palm working with us Jun 12 21:40:14 Chris: know how that is... Worked for a company making non-linear edit system and the developers were nearly the last people to get production versions. Jun 12 21:40:22 anyone got some good color schemes for the status bar? Jun 12 21:40:25 you know the pre has alien technologies right? Jun 12 21:40:46 Chris: Heck, people were nearly trying to ship the developer models as well ;) Jun 12 21:40:52 No, that's LISP: http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html :) Jun 12 21:41:18 home time Jun 12 21:42:07 anyone know where to get an arm disassembler? Jun 12 21:42:19 i got 2 phones on me today Jun 12 21:42:21 ShinAli, install arm, and then use objdump. Jun 12 21:42:32 * Sargun should try to get chrisa, cdm, and geist to have lunch with him Jun 12 21:42:45 via opt? thanks Jun 12 21:42:49 my g1 feels like a laptop compared to my pre Jun 12 21:42:57 Sargun did you see my mirror link? Jun 12 21:42:57 I haven't managed to have lunch with geist ever Jun 12 21:43:03 howlsmovie? Jun 12 21:43:23 Hm, apparently if you leave an SSH session open, the phone broadcasts power states Jun 12 21:43:32 i'm getting Errno 10061 (target machine actively refused it) even though both avast! and Windows Firewall are off Jun 12 21:43:37 is it just Win7? Jun 12 21:43:49 "powerd: System woke up." and "powerd: System going to sleep now" but it never dropped the SSH session! Jun 12 21:43:52 bdumm, yeah, thanks Jun 12 21:43:53 try running xp in a vm and doing it? Jun 12 21:43:54 d'you have your iptables right on the Pre Brenner14 ? Jun 12 21:43:56 Probably; I haven't heard anyone get it working with Win7 Jun 12 21:44:15 iptables...? sorry, don't know what those are lol Jun 12 21:44:18 or ship your pre to me and ill set it up H) Jun 12 21:44:38 Brenner14: I'm not really paying attention to what you were trying to do, but iptables are the firewall Jun 12 21:44:50 might be blocking whatever it is you're trying to do Jun 12 21:44:54 Brenner14, do you use wifi security? ie wap etc? Jun 12 21:44:58 no Jun 12 21:45:05 all PC security is off Jun 12 21:45:13 XP VM may be the way to go? Jun 12 21:45:24 seems to be Jun 12 21:45:55 so is anyone installing things "from source" or just packages? Jun 12 21:46:58 bdumm: Sargun had to write code to get Doom working, I think Jun 12 21:47:06 is that "from source" enough? Jun 12 21:47:16 Can anyone upload the file /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/stylesheets/global-search.css for me? Jun 12 21:47:25 no Jun 12 21:47:33 ultra, did u break yours? Jun 12 21:47:38 you should have backed up Jun 12 21:47:39 Yep Jun 12 21:47:39 we really shouldn't be distributing files Jun 12 21:47:45 sorry, i meant just on the simple things ie say openssh when dropping the other Jun 12 21:47:57 Sargun's doom is another story :) Jun 12 21:48:00 ultra, pull it from that doctor jar file Jun 12 21:48:05 you have it right? Jun 12 21:48:06 ok Jun 12 21:48:07 yes Jun 12 21:48:16 much better :) Jun 12 21:48:18 that should work Jun 12 21:48:43 i think u need to unttar/gz the biggest files there twice inside the jar Jun 12 21:48:50 luna-applauncher isn't there :( Jun 12 21:48:56 hmm Jun 12 21:48:57 ok Jun 12 21:49:02 ultraBlack: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185038-develop-pre-apps-safari-without-sdk.html Jun 12 21:49:12 summatusmentis, nope. Jun 12 21:49:29 summatusmentis, well, to figure things out I did Jun 12 21:49:55 h, my mistake Jun 12 21:49:55 i was editing stylesheets from my android phone for my pre Jun 12 21:50:04 got the statusbar to be white with purple txt Jun 12 21:50:06 :) Jun 12 21:50:27 Found it! Jun 12 21:50:44 ultraBlack: yeah, resources/webOS.tar/nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz Jun 12 21:50:47 oh Jun 12 21:51:12 resources\webOS\nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs\usr\lib\luna\system\luna-applauncher\stylesheets\global-search.css Jun 12 21:51:14 actually Jun 12 21:51:24 once unrar'd Jun 12 21:51:39 er, untar'd Jun 12 21:51:42 well, right, nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs is where you want to be looking for the root filesystem stuff Jun 12 21:51:49 is mostly what I was getting at Jun 12 21:51:54 :p Jun 12 21:52:03 Is there a trick to telnet'ing in from Windows? I keep getting "connection refused" Jun 12 21:55:04 Ok, the underlying bus returns ad-hoc networks Jun 12 21:55:08 can someone fix that Jun 12 21:55:21 You know, I'm going to have fun with dbus-util tonight... Jun 12 21:55:44 Sargun: so, hypothetially, we could be running anything directly on the framebuffer Jun 12 21:55:51 right? Jun 12 21:58:17 disc`, firewall etc off? Jun 12 21:58:18 morning Jun 12 21:58:26 moaning rwhitby Jun 12 21:58:27 morning Jun 12 21:58:43 im working on taking what bpadalino found out about dbus calls Jun 12 21:58:52 and invoking the download manager to download my copy of sudoku Jun 12 21:59:03 to install our own apps Jun 12 22:00:14 Tydog: the "web" apps? or like what we're doing with optware? Jun 12 22:00:20 bdumm, firewall is definitely off. The rooter is a local loopback, right? (ie, nothing to do with my WAN router) Jun 12 22:00:33 web apps Jun 12 22:00:46 Tydog: very cool Jun 12 22:01:41 disc`, i had wifi security connection issues unless i did something wrong, ie when i turned that off novaproxy etc worked Jun 12 22:02:20 hrmm.... I'll give it a go and see if it helps **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 22:02:30 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 12 22:03:25 2009 Jun 12 22:06:51 nslu2-log: test Jun 12 22:07:33 summatusmentis, sure Jun 12 22:07:48 dbus-send --system --dest='com.palm.downloadmanager' --type='method_call' --print-reply /download com.palm.app.findapps string:{"target":"http:// Jun 12 22:07:48 tylerbreisch.com/source/com.tyler.first.package.ipk"} Jun 12 22:07:48 Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "findapps" with signature "s" on interface "com.palm.app" doesn't exist Jun 12 22:07:52 getting closer Jun 12 22:09:43 * Sargun looks for what's breaking ad-hoc Jun 12 22:10:07 im breaking ad hoc! Jun 12 22:10:18 i stole the hoc Jun 12 22:10:21 and hid it Jun 12 22:10:41 and forgot where i put it, sorry Jun 12 22:10:50 Check under the sofa cushions. Jun 12 22:10:59 .... Jun 12 22:11:11 Does anyone know where Mojo.Log goes? Jun 12 22:11:29 did you try find log? Jun 12 22:12:23 FYI: latest optware dropbear version should fix the libexec path problem Jun 12 22:12:57 find grep log brings back a shitload Jun 12 22:13:15 not on my pc tho to check yto see if anything is viable Jun 12 22:14:01 For those who want to track Optware updates, the CIA.vc page is http://cia.vc/stats/project/nslu2-linux Jun 12 22:15:01 rwhitby, i used the newer dropbear than what was listed in the wiki and didn't have any libexec problems Jun 12 22:15:39 bdumm: thanks - please update the version number in the wiki Jun 12 22:16:08 ummm forget, it's on my winhose, would have to do later... Jun 12 22:16:30 Random comment: I don't understand why you can't download mp3s from amazon over 3G, but you can use pandora. Jun 12 22:16:50 moin guys Jun 12 22:17:09 it's a licensing thing Jun 12 22:17:35 did one of you took a look in the app store app? Jun 12 22:17:55 jwsh: ? Jun 12 22:17:57 what is the address it is connecting t?o Jun 12 22:18:10 cdn.palm.com Jun 12 22:18:17 or something Jun 12 22:19:06 would it be possible to upload that app somewere? Jun 12 22:19:19 sadly I'm living in europe Jun 12 22:19:23 no pre here Jun 12 22:19:27 hey guys, whats up? just caught up with the logs, looks like mike/other people were trying to figure out how to reload luna without rebooting? last night we found out that initctl stop LunaSysMgr; inictl start LunaSysMgr seems to reload luna without completely rebooting the phone (although it does show the palm animation again. Try that after you load a new a Jun 12 22:19:27 hertzi: fetch it from the webos doctor Jun 12 22:19:36 asedeno_work: my understanding is that isn't licensed to distribute music over cell networks Jun 12 22:20:01 the music industry being as techno-savvy as they are think of that as a different channel Jun 12 22:20:06 asedeno_work: think it's not in there - is it? Jun 12 22:20:08 I see. Jun 12 22:20:21 hertzi: It contains the root image of the Pre, it had better be in there. Jun 12 22:20:57 Jiwsh: *Facepalm* Jun 12 22:21:12 jwsh: Ah, I see. I figured it was a sprint / bandwidth thing rather than a "the music industry is stupid" thing. Jun 12 22:21:43 * Copyright 2008 Palm Inc. Confidential until public release. Jun 12 22:21:46 G1 works the same way, as I understand Jun 12 22:22:06 Well, public release has happened, so the second half is useless now. Jun 12 22:23:04 asedeno_work: never mind - stupid me Jun 12 22:23:27 hertzi: no worries. Jun 12 22:26:50 off to the sprint store to exchange my phone for one with nicer pixels :-P Jun 12 22:29:19 zinge: initctl should be enough Jun 12 22:29:31 oh yeah Jun 12 22:29:54 do you have any news to - how to use webos in Qemu in here? Jun 12 22:31:04 I don't know that anyone hase figured taht out yet Jun 12 22:31:20 s/taht/that/ Jun 12 22:32:56 :| Jun 12 22:33:29 too bad - so I have to go on trying my self :) Jun 12 22:35:15 you can kill lunasysmgr Jun 12 22:35:24 and it restarts luna fairly quickly Jun 12 22:35:32 with palm logo Jun 12 22:36:51 ahh finally to go home from work and do a little pre hacking ... see you all shortly Jun 12 22:37:33 pre Jun 12 22:37:46 zinge, DOH Jun 12 22:38:06 i was trying to initiate the app downloader msg Jun 12 22:38:31 so if i put my own app inside /var/usr/palm/applications then restart luna with inictl it will show up? Jun 12 22:41:06 i dont think so, i think thats what some guys were trying to figure out Jun 12 22:41:26 try it Jun 12 22:41:48 tydog: I've read your working on getting apps in the launcher now, but did you ever figure out sftp or a working scp? Jun 12 22:42:23 oh shrug Jun 12 22:42:28 im not totally here right now Jun 12 22:42:44 Will the rooter python script run in Linux? It's python, so I would assume so, but it's generally bad to assume... Jun 12 22:42:48 yes a working scp i did Jun 12 22:42:56 you have too add /opt/bin Jun 12 22:42:58 to your PATH Jun 12 22:43:23 in your profile Jun 12 22:43:36 JackieRipper: it doesn't work in linux Jun 12 22:43:37 so you can read/write from say winSCP? Jun 12 22:43:49 yep Jun 12 22:43:53 ouch. Thanks zsazs Jun 12 22:47:33 how do you append to a list? Jun 12 22:49:35 Sargun: in javascript? myArray.push("foo"); Jun 12 22:51:19 well guys that worked Jun 12 22:52:29 I copied sudoko to my own folder Jun 12 22:52:34 changed some things Jun 12 22:52:36 and ran Jun 12 22:52:43 initctl stop LuanSysMgr Jun 12 22:52:49 then initctl start LunaSysMgr Jun 12 22:52:58 and bam the app shows up in the app catalog Jun 12 22:53:28 Man, how are they blocking out wifi networks Jun 12 22:55:29 does anyone know what code calls notifications.wav? Jun 12 22:55:38 im so tired of having the same sound for all different notifications Jun 12 22:56:27 LOL no but at least mine is now the sound of the arrow hitting the guy in Monty Python Search for the holy Grail and then he says "message for you sir" Jun 12 22:56:41 oh thats brilliant Jun 12 22:56:46 can you send me that sound byte? Jun 12 22:56:46 :) Jun 12 22:57:18 Is there a way to root the phone from a Linux box? :) Jun 12 22:57:22 http://www.intriguing.com/mp/holygrail.php in the sound section labeled message.wav Jun 12 22:57:48 JackieRipper: None publicly available yet, but people are working on it. Jun 12 22:57:53 ahh Jun 12 22:58:01 I shall be one of those, then Jun 12 22:58:10 * Sargun wishes he knew more about JS Jun 12 22:58:16 I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel Jun 12 22:58:33 Sweet. Jun 12 22:58:35 * rwhitby bbl Jun 12 22:59:47 has anyone done anything useful like say install spam killing tools for say email app usage or other? not that you can't have spam killing tolls elsewhere.... Jun 12 22:59:53 Has anybody fixed the amazon app? Jun 12 23:00:51 here's a better monty python sound http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/events_WAV/email_wavs.html "monty_message.wav" towards the bottom Jun 12 23:00:59 whats wrong with the amazon app Jun 12 23:01:12 Jim: downloading over evdo. Jun 12 23:01:21 oh Jun 12 23:02:57 evenin' all Jun 12 23:05:27 hello Jun 12 23:07:13 *sigh* back Jun 12 23:07:13 so, i'm thinking about an open app catalog app + building the serverside web services for it, as well... i've gotten mixed feelings on the project.. what do you guys think? Jun 12 23:07:38 ok so are any of the 'regulars' active right now? Jun 12 23:08:05 ? Jun 12 23:08:10 LarrySteeze, what's your qeustion Jun 12 23:08:31 lol no question Jun 12 23:08:55 LarrySteeze: i'm... becoming a regular. Jun 12 23:09:09 i was working with a couple of the guys last night on USB PAM and I wanted to see if they had discovered anything more since last night Jun 12 23:09:13 aw my pre crash Jun 12 23:09:28 namely PreGame and Zinge Jun 12 23:09:32 crashed Jun 12 23:11:32 nice Sargun Jun 12 23:11:35 http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/12/palm-pre-runs-doom-smartphone-loving-space-marines-rejoyce/ Jun 12 23:12:11 yeah Jun 12 23:12:18 congrats on the Engadget mention, Sargun Jun 12 23:14:30 oh wait...that was Sargun, wasn't it Jun 12 23:14:46 hahaha Jun 12 23:14:48 :-) Jun 12 23:14:49 thanks Jun 12 23:14:52 I saw it on giz Jun 12 23:14:58 i ditto the congrats ;-) Jun 12 23:15:02 == Jun 12 23:15:24 I was excited enough from my twitter mentions for the hash codes Jun 12 23:15:37 and Sargun gets the highest honor :P Jun 12 23:16:19 http://gizmodo.com/5288147/palm-pre-lands-hardware+accelerated-doom-courtesy-of-homebrewers Jun 12 23:17:03 Hey, look, another post mentioning the "leak"! Jun 12 23:17:55 LarrySteeze: have you got the diag, at ports figured out? Jun 12 23:18:42 Too bad there's still not an offical SDK. Jun 12 23:20:13 tmzt: no Jun 12 23:20:27 tmzt: do you? Jun 12 23:21:18 I'm working from two ends...trying to find also where the checksum is for the tethering verification Jun 12 23:23:41 hello Jun 12 23:23:56 does anyone know of another lcoation for dropbear.. the one on the wiki is 404ing Jun 12 23:25:50 http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html Jun 12 23:26:00 not verified, just a quick google Jun 12 23:26:14 yeah.. id presume I need the ipg build? Jun 12 23:27:36 datafirm: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/dropbear_0.52-5_arm.ipk Jun 12 23:27:44 revision number was increased. Jun 12 23:27:52 Bartman007: thanks Jun 12 23:35:10 THERE'S the man I was looking for Jun 12 23:37:49 has anyone here explored /etc/passthru? Jun 12 23:41:16 w00t Jun 12 23:41:24 doom works perfectly, just don't hit the orange button! Jun 12 23:41:29 it pwns it. Jun 12 23:41:41 Sargun: i'll update the wiki now Jun 12 23:41:42 lol Jun 12 23:45:03 hi guys. back from the sprint store Jun 12 23:45:16 aplm profile doesn't back up preferences or manually linked contacts :-( Jun 12 23:45:22 so...late night last night, huh zinge? Jun 12 23:45:29 zinge: that's lame. Jun 12 23:45:30 yeah...I kind of wish it did. Jun 12 23:45:42 heh, yeah. I was on till about 4:30 Jun 12 23:45:46 well Jun 12 23:45:47 i want palm profile to back up our OS mods. :-p Jun 12 23:45:50 but I can get away with that for now Jun 12 23:45:52 oh wait.... no i don't. Jun 12 23:45:54 no work for another week Jun 12 23:46:04 later than that...when I saw you this morning, it was about 5 your time Jun 12 23:46:15 oy, you're right Jun 12 23:46:18 i frogot I was on that late Jun 12 23:46:23 i have a couple discoveries to show you about the usb stuff from last night Jun 12 23:46:27 I get too caught up in working on things Jun 12 23:46:27 ok Jun 12 23:46:44 maybe some of it is old news Jun 12 23:46:49 hold on let me find it again Jun 12 23:46:53 ok Jun 12 23:47:11 is anyone in here that's working on the app installation stuff? Jun 12 23:47:13 had you looked in /etc/passthru at all? Jun 12 23:47:44 no, not yet Jun 12 23:48:31 well there are files like "modemusb-enter-hook" Jun 12 23:48:42 now, they don't contain really anything but... Jun 12 23:49:02 echo disabled > /sys/devices/platform/modem_activity/enabled Jun 12 23:49:05 whoa Jun 12 23:49:20 did you guys see the open source software disclaimer that is being distributed with Pres now? Jun 12 23:49:24 its on the usb drive root. Jun 12 23:49:36 no Jun 12 23:49:54 its been there Jun 12 23:49:58 DarthPooh, it's always been there Jun 12 23:50:08 ahh.. it was not on my last pre.. Jun 12 23:50:18 sargun, i didnt say it, I knew it was there Jun 12 23:50:35 it's been on every unit i've used, including reviewer and advocate units Jun 12 23:50:44 * Sargun has an idea! Jun 12 23:50:45 LarrySteeze: gimme a few min, I have to rerun the msi and get novaproxy up and working again. just came back from the sprint store with a new pre Jun 12 23:51:11 * zinge breaks the light bulb over sargun's head? Jun 12 23:51:25 I don't wanna discuss it right now Jun 12 23:52:20 @chrisa, find more out about the battery/keyboard issue? Jun 12 23:53:14 sargun, next time, don't bother with the video camera unless it's crysis running at 70 fps... ;) Jun 12 23:53:36 oh man; didn't save my bookmarks either. thats annoying Jun 12 23:53:57 nope, bookmarks and linked contacts... Jun 12 23:54:08 burned Jun 12 23:55:26 anyone here named Derek Kessler Jun 12 23:55:54 that sounds familiar Jun 12 23:56:14 LarrySteeze: so it is usb? can you run lsusb -v -v on the pre? Jun 12 23:56:30 turning dev mode back on... Jun 12 23:57:13 nice; sprint rep gave me extra battery and usb cable Jun 12 23:57:39 DarthPooh, that's my still camera Jun 12 23:57:47 lucky you, zinge. Jun 12 23:57:48 i ste up a meeting for mine to call me at 12 today and she called me at 3 Jun 12 23:57:52 wtf is that Jun 12 23:58:11 zinge, what was the problem with your last pre again? Jun 12 23:58:12 timezones? Jun 12 23:58:15 nope Jun 12 23:58:19 dead pixels Jun 12 23:58:21 it was 5 her time Jun 12 23:58:26 not a big deal, but they were nice about it Jun 12 23:58:27 5:30 to be exact Jun 12 23:58:36 oh, yeah that's right. Jun 12 23:59:17 i have one, but it's not worth it to exchange... you had a couple clusters, and a single though.. i'd probably make the trip for that. Jun 13 00:01:02 okay, I got novaproxy back up and running. you're looking through /etc/passthru/usbmodem stuff? Jun 13 00:02:33 hey cool, the browser is still "tilt" sensitive when it's a card in the background. Jun 13 00:03:09 LarrySteeze: did you follow to sys/bus/platform/drivers? Jun 13 00:03:46 has anyone tried to compile a mythtv or something where you could restream your teevee locally to your pre? Jun 13 00:04:01 tried Orb but it won't play the streams Jun 13 00:04:23 bdumm: mythfrontend has a lot of requirements, prolly easier to use streams from mythweb Jun 13 00:04:42 steviebuns, i'm not lookin for easy :) Jun 13 00:05:36 is /sys/devices/platform/modem_activity the cell modem? Jun 13 00:07:06 has anyone done mythweb though or anything like such? not familiar with Orb... Jun 13 00:08:02 LarrySteeze: does this help at all? http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x332.html Jun 13 00:08:20 I'm assuming we need a driver of some sort to get this working Jun 13 00:09:28 zinge: sorry, i've been in and out Jun 13 00:12:06 its cool. I' gonna go grab some food actually. I'll be back in a little bit. Just to check, we need to A) convince the phone its a usb modem, and B) find/write a driver for Win/Mac/Linux/etc so it can be recognized as a usb modem by the Os? Jun 13 00:12:39 yes Jun 13 00:13:09 nice zinge Jun 13 00:14:37 and at the moment, i'm guessing it's going to be more on the write side Jun 13 00:14:55 i don't doubt that a driver exists currently, i just don't know that we're going to find it in public Jun 13 00:16:09 proof Sargun is the freakin' man... Jun 13 00:16:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOScc80E7Vc Jun 13 00:16:24 i updated the wiki Jun 13 00:17:26 okay, sounds good LarrySteeze . I'll be back in 30/45 min Jun 13 00:17:42 ok Jun 13 00:17:54 i won't be able to work on it a whole lot in that time just a warning Jun 13 00:18:00 i'm prepping dinner then have to eat Jun 13 00:18:20 odd, i don't think winrar version 3.8 can read the rootfs.tar.gz correctly Jun 13 00:18:40 it chokes on reading past the first symbolic link Jun 13 00:19:06 3.9 beta 3 works fine though Jun 13 00:19:47 love the doom Jun 13 00:20:05 opie_: use 7zip instead, it works fine Jun 13 00:20:28 yeah, well i have registered winrar and update fixed the problem Jun 13 00:21:11 which i actually paid for, has to be one of the most pirated software, just behind winzip Jun 13 00:21:25 lol Jun 13 00:23:18 opie_: i always download it from rarsoft and never register for it Jun 13 00:23:21 it always works Jun 13 00:31:08 hey guys Jun 13 00:31:37 \usr\lib\luna\system\luna-systemui\stylesheets\systemui.css if you want to modify the status bar Jun 13 00:34:36 Thank you! Jun 13 00:34:48 i changed the color to grey Jun 13 00:34:58 i wanna do white, but that wont look good until i modify all the icons like wifi etc.. Jun 13 00:35:00 which status bar? Jun 13 00:35:09 the one at the top of the screen Jun 13 00:35:19 with the app menu and device menu Jun 13 00:35:24 ahh Jun 13 00:35:44 i was trying to modify the menus to react to a drag but so far no luck Jun 13 00:35:52 i find it hard to accurately hit them :/ Jun 13 00:35:58 if g_serial is missing we can use gadgets like novacomd does Jun 13 00:36:24 so far i tried modifying the mojo-tap event to be mojo-start-drag and mojo-flick Jun 13 00:36:54 we shouldn't need a driver really, just .inf for windows and nothing for OSX and linux Jun 13 00:37:35 how do i delete a line in vi? Jun 13 00:37:48 :d Jun 13 00:38:03 blau Jun 13 00:38:08 "I" Jun 13 00:38:09 ybotspawn Jun 13 00:38:12 then go to the line Jun 13 00:38:17 and backspace it Jun 13 00:38:19 to end edit mode Jun 13 00:38:21 hit esc Jun 13 00:38:22 ;) Jun 13 00:38:30 not working :/ Jun 13 00:38:31 "I" = capital eye Jun 13 00:38:33 ? Jun 13 00:38:38 "dd" is what i always did Jun 13 00:38:40 whats it doing Jun 13 00:38:43 dd worked Jun 13 00:38:48 it just stopped at beginning of line Jun 13 00:38:50 what r u using putty? Jun 13 00:38:54 yup Jun 13 00:39:17 * nebula is trying to get super mario brothers on the pre Jun 13 00:39:34 emulator? Jun 13 00:39:38 yeah Jun 13 00:39:44 kick ass Jun 13 00:39:49 sdl, hopefully will hit the framebuffer Jun 13 00:40:02 why would an empty line screw up javascript? Jun 13 00:40:16 no reason Jun 13 00:40:30 nebula: amphetamine might be easier Jun 13 00:40:56 huh, nes, mame, snes? Jun 13 00:41:10 i hope im not screwing anything up by constantly killing luna-sys-mgr Jun 13 00:42:02 can't see how Jun 13 00:42:09 cool i got it Jun 13 00:42:13 drag down for the top menus! Jun 13 00:42:31 LunaSysMgr can take being killed like a champ for the most part Jun 13 00:42:56 ? Jun 13 00:42:56 noone approved my wiki yet :( Jun 13 00:42:58 drag down Jun 13 00:43:12 instead of having to click the damn tiny ass menus up top Jun 13 00:43:17 you can just drag them down now :) Jun 13 00:43:33 ? Jun 13 00:43:36 linkie please? Jun 13 00:43:41 or even better screenshot Jun 13 00:43:41 yeah link it Jun 13 00:43:42 :) Jun 13 00:43:46 yeah youtube it =) Jun 13 00:43:51 u can do screen shots on ur pre Jun 13 00:44:00 ooo i was edited Jun 13 00:44:05 looks like javascript is going to be great, can't think how long that would have taken with any other api Jun 13 00:44:09 added i mean Jun 13 00:44:24 im still gonna make a few more tweaks and ill post it to the wiki Jun 13 00:44:38 screenshot is what blob + shift + p? Jun 13 00:45:16 i believe so Jun 13 00:45:21 should appear in screenshots Jun 13 00:45:58 this is why we need tagging for launcher icons Jun 13 00:46:06 lol Jun 13 00:46:07 i typed gallery, then pictures Jun 13 00:46:12 and now realised its photos Jun 13 00:47:17 tmzt: it worked! Jun 13 00:47:27 i'll get mario brothers on the wiki hopefully Jun 13 00:47:31 :) Jun 13 00:47:40 please Jun 13 00:47:49 i think i fiured out how to change the adapter order Jun 13 00:48:59 So what cool things have I missed today? Jun 13 00:49:11 blae changed the status bar Jun 13 00:49:11 chrisa: doom, mame Jun 13 00:49:17 doom was yesterday Jun 13 00:49:21 mame using directfb? Jun 13 00:49:24 mame is now ;) Jun 13 00:49:31 lol Jun 13 00:49:51 just ran amphetamine Jun 13 00:49:53 and how much of this is going on in a debian chroot vs on the linux install? Jun 13 00:49:58 cool Jun 13 00:50:04 chrisa: all of it Jun 13 00:50:21 interesting: Jun 13 00:50:22 # Zaurus 2.4 Lineo net_fd; obsolete Jun 13 00:50:26 in the interfaces file Jun 13 00:50:47 # iPAQ 2.4 mach-sa1100/usb-eth Jun 13 00:50:50 weird Jun 13 00:52:34 damn screenshots dont appear to be taking grrr Jun 13 00:52:53 grrr Jun 13 00:52:59 is there a console feature or command that shows what all is going on with the phone? Jun 13 00:53:02 orange sym and p i thought Jun 13 00:53:12 yea it is Jun 13 00:53:18 OJ + SYM + P Jun 13 00:53:20 i had it work the other day fine Jun 13 00:53:34 have you been playing with your phone via root? Jun 13 00:53:38 yeah Jun 13 00:53:44 maybe i need a reboot Jun 13 00:53:45 you probably messed up the SS file Jun 13 00:53:54 or a library that requires it Jun 13 00:53:56 could be a side effect of killing luna so much? Jun 13 00:54:02 whats SS file? Jun 13 00:54:06 Who made the Global Search Addons tutorial images? Jun 13 00:54:17 deez nuts Jun 13 00:54:24 :P Jun 13 00:54:47 Does he have psd's? Jun 13 00:54:58 ip_forward=no Jun 13 00:55:00 INTERESTING Jun 13 00:55:12 in the /etc/network/options Jun 13 00:55:42 i also found the sprint deamon does some network monitoring. i wonder if that is whats preventing tether ball Jun 13 00:56:17 is there an approval for th ewiki Jun 13 00:56:21 or did I screw something up Jun 13 00:56:32 I love how Engadget's newest story is about something I figured out how to do two days ago :D Jun 13 00:56:41 i made some changes that dont appear to be taking effect Jun 13 00:56:42 omg palm pre + home theater+3.5 to rca adapter+ pandora= infinite music Jun 13 00:56:43 PreGame, take a look at my post Jun 13 00:56:46 i got an sshtunnel working Jun 13 00:57:02 i think if i enable ip forwarding it might permit inet traffic, from the client thru the tunnel Jun 13 00:57:21 of coruse it could also be wishfull thining :) Jun 13 00:57:43 got it Jun 13 00:58:28 blau Jun 13 00:58:38 was it you i was talking to last night about hash codes? Jun 13 00:58:53 i wonder if there is an engadget spy in here right now! Jun 13 00:58:56 i think it was bpadalino but i just want to make sure Jun 13 00:59:10 no such thing as a spy, this is a public room Jun 13 00:59:30 i know, i was just goof'n Jun 13 00:59:31 larry: nope sorry Jun 13 00:59:40 ah Jun 13 00:59:41 I have some things to contribute to the wiki if anyone's interested in accepting my join request Jun 13 00:59:55 ultra, what are you looking to contribute? Jun 13 01:00:23 i'm confused about luna, what is it exactly Jun 13 01:00:23 I would like to do some cgi work and was wondering if I should install thttpd from ipk-opt or debian. What are most people using for serious dev on the phone? Jun 13 01:00:36 the heart of webOS Jun 13 01:00:38 is it os controler? Jun 13 01:00:48 it does a lot of things Jun 13 01:00:53 LarrySteeze: I have a picture for global search addons and I'm willing to clean up some of the pages, grammar wise and orginizationally Jun 13 01:00:54 luna is basically the central nervous system Jun 13 01:00:57 but it's the main controller or something of the sorts Jun 13 01:01:01 it manages services, the webkit browser for apps Jun 13 01:01:04 organizationally Jun 13 01:01:28 a picture? Jun 13 01:01:35 a picture. O.o Jun 13 01:01:38 ack Jun 13 01:01:44 i can't log in to the wiki :S hold on Jun 13 01:01:44 opie_: I think it's something like gecko and the toolkit is for firefox Jun 13 01:01:47 ok Jun 13 01:01:50 i don't do much mvc stuff does it work in an mvc manner or is it just a big manager? Jun 13 01:01:50 i posted my drag through menu tutorial on the wiki Jun 13 01:02:05 Apps work in an mvc manner Jun 13 01:02:08 On top of the big manager Jun 13 01:02:10 evening Jun 13 01:02:12 what picture are you looking to add? Jun 13 01:02:17 chirsa: check Jun 13 01:02:23 oh wow someone else made one. lol Jun 13 01:02:23 its horribly formatted :( Jun 13 01:02:36 better than mine: http://i42.tinypic.com/2hscbas.jpg Jun 13 01:02:59 it hosts the native and java code which in turn hosts interpreted code such as javascript and the webkit html renderer Jun 13 01:03:00 ill clean it up Jun 13 01:03:01 its a blank white page Jun 13 01:03:02 I can clean up the format :P Jun 13 01:03:17 LarrySteeze: it was http://i42.tinypic.com/2hscbas.jpg but I see there's a better one someone made Jun 13 01:04:27 brb folks, hopefuly via pre :) Jun 13 01:04:36 oh, you mean to search imdb Jun 13 01:04:36 SirataXero that is Jun 13 01:04:49 need a standard for code changes Jun 13 01:05:12 Where are people getting the styles for the Global Search Addons images? Jun 13 01:05:16 I'm surprised so many people utilize imdb so much that they'd want it in universal search Jun 13 01:05:32 LarrySteeze: I definitely do Jun 13 01:05:41 Sometimes you really just need to prove someone else is wrong Jun 13 01:05:43 LarrySteeze: you have no idea Jun 13 01:05:44 http://predev.wikidot.com/drag-menus feel free to clean it up for me :) Jun 13 01:06:14 being a janitor sucks Jun 13 01:06:22 i see that I have no idea Jun 13 01:06:27 I'm just surprised lol Jun 13 01:06:40 I'm not that much into the whole celebrity scene Jun 13 01:06:51 wikidot hates me Jun 13 01:06:57 me neither but my parents love the shit out of imdb Jun 13 01:07:03 it's in firefox also Jun 13 01:07:12 i love imdb Jun 13 01:07:13 so no one's gonna give me editing permissions Jun 13 01:07:20 id rather have imdb over twitter Jun 13 01:07:36 I think you need to talk to Sargun Jun 13 01:07:46 blau-mikeDG, nice change...i dig that one. Jun 13 01:07:54 dread: thanks! Jun 13 01:08:05 Is there a way to keep the screen, or at least wifi, from shutting off? Jun 13 01:08:13 ultraBlack: I don't personally have the authority to give anyone editing permissions, but the problem is, when too many people get editing permissions, things have the potential of getting screwed up Jun 13 01:08:14 plug it in Jun 13 01:08:22 plugging it in will keep wifi on Jun 13 01:08:38 thanks! Jun 13 01:08:40 JackieRipper: or if you have a touchstone... Jun 13 01:08:46 not yet Jun 13 01:09:01 mmm, delicious chicken noodle soup Jun 13 01:09:25 blau-mikeDG: what is that wiki for? I don't have a problem scrolling through the menus Jun 13 01:09:30 my wife's touchstone keeps going on/off charge and dinging. seems a fairly common issue, have to reboot to get it to stop. Jun 13 01:09:37 ^ once battery is full. Jun 13 01:09:44 catching up on logs; nice drag menu idea blau-mikeDG , I think I'm gonna add that to mine. Jun 13 01:09:49 dreadchicken: easy fix Jun 13 01:10:09 yeah, it's quite useful. Jun 13 01:10:25 zinge, the meat of our flashlight is done, now to appify it. Jun 13 01:10:25 dreadchicken: make sure the Pre is COMPLETELY centered...if off enough, it can't tell if it's charging or not Jun 13 01:10:42 I always miss the stupid taps for wifi Jun 13 01:10:42 to open up the connection menu Jun 13 01:10:42 big tumbs Jun 13 01:10:47 well, the commands to turn it on and off Jun 13 01:10:49 zinge: I've started tearing apart the android driver Jun 13 01:10:53 LarrySteeze: I just downloaded sprint mobile broadband drivers msi and smartview msi on the off chance that they've updated it with pre usb modem drivers. I'll install and see if I get anything Jun 13 01:10:58 pre: not scrolling through them, its really hard for me to tap the menus to open the menus period Jun 13 01:11:15 if you do, let me know...because I'm about ready to start writing one, and wouldn't mind the saved time Jun 13 01:11:16 i miss them all the time. Jun 13 01:11:18 since the menus are only like 25 pixels high Jun 13 01:11:27 and i think the minimum hit target is supposed to be 48 Jun 13 01:11:32 at the very top? Jun 13 01:11:35 yeah Jun 13 01:11:40 ahh Jun 13 01:11:57 yea Jun 13 01:12:30 I bet you my palm pre that Palm is monitoring this channel taking our idea's and feedback and adding it to the next update Jun 13 01:12:36 .... Jun 13 01:12:39 i hope so Jun 13 01:12:40 why not? Jun 13 01:12:41 haha Jun 13 01:12:42 :) Jun 13 01:12:59 that would mean we contributed something useful. Jun 13 01:13:02 I would like my palm to shoot out a laser beam Jun 13 01:13:04 i get the feeling they are monitoring forums Jun 13 01:13:10 no pre in broadband mobile msi... checking smartview now Jun 13 01:13:16 we are their support, they are ours. Jun 13 01:13:19 i see quite a hanful of people on precentral who basically do nothing but troubleshoot and help Jun 13 01:13:54 honestly, I'm doubting it is there Jun 13 01:14:08 Don't be disheartened, but nearly all the palm emps in here are low level system engineers rather than UI/usability/app designers Jun 13 01:14:09 idea: tethering should work. Jun 13 01:14:15 agreed. just checking anyway, cause I had that happen with an old sprint phone of mine Jun 13 01:14:23 (take it and run, Palm!) Jun 13 01:14:30 it's mutually beneficial if we can help each other...and here there is less of the "OMG, it doesn't do X...I'm returning it for a 1985 brick phone!" Jun 13 01:14:31 so anyone know how to change interface preferences Jun 13 01:14:37 i got it running as a proxy:) Jun 13 01:14:41 chrisa: i find them more interesting anyways Jun 13 01:14:45 but it doesnt pipe stuff through evdo yet Jun 13 01:14:45 i believe palm has it enabled it is sprnt that is blocking it Jun 13 01:14:52 asedeno: tethering works Jun 13 01:14:55 PreGame: I know. Jun 13 01:14:57 here's the problem Jun 13 01:15:07 We don't want the pre to ask sprint if it's allowed Jun 13 01:15:13 dont listen to LarrySteeze he was using his wifi :P Jun 13 01:15:18 hehe Jun 13 01:15:18 so we have to find it and edit it Jun 13 01:15:21 ouch Jun 13 01:15:25 *sigh* Jun 13 01:15:28 rofl Jun 13 01:15:37 try this Jun 13 01:15:43 no, PreGame...seriously, tethering works...on the pre...just not through sprint Jun 13 01:15:47 disable SprintDaemon from events.d and reboot Jun 13 01:15:55 i know it does Jun 13 01:15:58 Yeah, I'm looking into it now. No promise of success, but I'm watching dbus and seeing what is going on. Jun 13 01:16:10 it is my opinion that SprintDaemon is whats blocking it Jun 13 01:16:17 Larry how does it work Jun 13 01:16:19 but we can't completely disable it Jun 13 01:16:37 ? Jun 13 01:16:40 asedeno_home what are you using to watch dbus? i am looking for a console type feature so i can see what is going on as well Jun 13 01:16:59 ybotspawn: there are confirmed cases of people who have phoneasmodem (even though they aren't supposed to have it) tethering through bluetooth Jun 13 01:17:05 as i've said before, palm is our friend here...who we don't want to get on our case if sprint. they'll be ugly to us AND palm and then nobody wins. Jun 13 01:17:12 dbus-util Jun 13 01:17:22 Larry: it comes up as network access point Jun 13 01:17:33 but it immediately indicates that sprint doesnt like u doing it Jun 13 01:17:37 Sprint will not be ugly or they will lose customers yet again Jun 13 01:17:42 through blueman/pre Jun 13 01:17:50 yes, we realize this Jun 13 01:17:55 dbus-monitor Jun 13 01:17:56 they are giving out a bunch of free stuff to keep people on board Jun 13 01:18:04 most likely, Sprint will just kill contracts if they catch people doing something against ToS Jun 13 01:18:05 where r the directions fr these cases? Jun 13 01:18:09 No offense, but sprint isn't going to lose customers due to tethering Jun 13 01:18:10 so what i need to do is disable it CHECKING Jun 13 01:18:14 Name a carrier those customers will go to Jun 13 01:18:18 I got a free battery :-) Jun 13 01:18:20 how and where in the software? Jun 13 01:18:22 None of them give it for free Jun 13 01:18:23 ah, cdma at command aren't a secret Jun 13 01:18:29 summatusmentis: I tethered on my mogul all of the time Jun 13 01:18:36 and i did not have phone as modem on my plan Jun 13 01:18:41 tmzt where is dbus-monitoring? Jun 13 01:18:41 god i wish i've taken my OS class already Jun 13 01:18:49 much of this stuff would come a lot easier to me Jun 13 01:18:51 LarrySteeze: I've done it too, what I mean is that if they decide to start caring, they'll kill contracts Jun 13 01:18:54 Larry: do you have any of the info Jun 13 01:19:00 PreGame: in dbus-utils or whatever optware calls it Jun 13 01:19:06 ShinAli: take a cpu design course, they're much more interesting and you can build os knowledge on top of it Jun 13 01:19:08 if you just wanted to make tethering work it's about trivial...you have ipkg-opt. Jun 13 01:19:13 oh on a mac? Jun 13 01:19:18 dreadchiken? Jun 13 01:19:20 well, we will see what happens Jun 13 01:19:25 what do u mean Jun 13 01:19:39 I doubt they will care...the percentage of users that will actually do it is small Jun 13 01:19:42 look at the packages in ipkg-opt, there is a dead easy way to do it. Jun 13 01:19:50 PreGame: what? you just run it on the pre itself Jun 13 01:19:58 whats the dead easy way i havent looked a the packages yet Jun 13 01:20:03 hah, the description of the Fandango app in the pre store mentions "core location" Jun 13 01:20:05 ??? what? where? Jun 13 01:20:06 is there a specified package Jun 13 01:20:11 chrisa: i would love to take something like that, but i think all we got here is computer organization and computer architecture Jun 13 01:20:23 ive been thetering for the past 5 to 6 years nothing will happen as long as you dont abuse Jun 13 01:20:32 ShinAli: my school only offers a "systems" course Jun 13 01:20:33 comp org i came away with some mips assembly so i can read this arm stuff pretty well Jun 13 01:20:44 I don't consider forwarding via ssh "easy", if that's what you mean. And I'm a heavy user of ssh -D. Jun 13 01:20:48 summatusmentis: i just took that, i loved every bit of it Jun 13 01:20:56 i'm going to setup a filesharing network via tether Jun 13 01:21:00 asedono, direction for pre ssh r on precentral now Jun 13 01:21:09 its a small mod to the webos script Jun 13 01:21:11 mostly because the prof that teaches adv and systems is awesome Jun 13 01:21:32 his graphics class was really hard though Jun 13 01:21:45 and in all honesty, we are the percentage that is creating buzz for the phone/network Jun 13 01:21:46 ybotspawn: Yes, and I'm sure I'll get around to installing ssh later. Once I've built an OpenSSH that handles kerberos, and installed kerberos libraries. :) Jun 13 01:22:09 LarrySteeze: as expected, nothing useful in the sprint packages Jun 13 01:22:26 chrisa: is there anything on mit opencourseware that has some cpu design stuff? Jun 13 01:22:26 information discussed in this very chat room (or from users in this chat room) has been featured numerous times in engadget and gizmodo Jun 13 01:22:35 zinge: unfortunately, i have to say that is what I expected. Jun 13 01:22:37 lovely Jun 13 01:22:39 ShinAli: I'm sure there is Jun 13 01:22:54 tmzt: I am new to linux so please enlighten me on who to enable the monitoring Jun 13 01:23:01 i'd love to find the bluetooth tethering section of webOS Jun 13 01:23:18 because honestly, it would be fairly easy to merge it with the use as disk section Jun 13 01:23:20 summatusmentis: i saw a circuit design course thing for eecs, but that's all i remember Jun 13 01:23:24 i'll take a look again Jun 13 01:23:54 Engadget's latest post is odd Jun 13 01:24:00 Who would ever want to run winmo on this device Jun 13 01:24:01 also mit opencourseware = awesome Jun 13 01:24:18 those guys are on crack Jun 13 01:24:27 not sure... my favorite part is webos, not the pre iteself Jun 13 01:24:28 winmo only supports resistive touch doesn't it? Jun 13 01:24:29 unfortunately, I think the pieces we want are in the compiled part of WebOS...the actual OS Jun 13 01:24:49 I'm guessing winmo 6.5 can do capacitive, since HTC has a bunch of new phones Jun 13 01:25:01 k guys ttyl Jun 13 01:25:09 apparently the WinMo thing was supposed to be a joke... wasn't a very good one. Jun 13 01:25:15 "...and if this ultimately means we're a few solid steps closer to a Pre running WinMo 6.1, sign us up. Way up." Jun 13 01:25:19 wtf is wrong with engadget Jun 13 01:25:51 maybe some sort of dual boot set up would be cool, but winmo alone? Jun 13 01:26:03 is there a way to see the routes on the phone? Jun 13 01:26:31 oh its a joke Jun 13 01:26:33 haha Jun 13 01:27:07 i hoope its a joke Jun 13 01:27:15 chrisa: random question, not sure if you were here yesterday when it was mentioned: any reason to use/not use "rootfs_open -w" over "mount -o remount,rw /"? Jun 13 01:27:17 ... weeeeell everyone's PO'd at that but Jun 13 01:27:22 Honestly not ever using WebOS... Jun 13 01:27:26 I wouldn't mind Windows Mobile Jun 13 01:27:35 missing|No: yes you would Jun 13 01:27:35 i do Jun 13 01:27:51 I'm too used to WinMo 6 Jun 13 01:27:58 when my treo died my friend handed me his old sprint touch Jun 13 01:28:36 and it sucked and so forth and possibly a clever quip on how i wanted to kill myself here Jun 13 01:28:38 custom firmware, root access, native apps... dudes, I don't know if I can wait until I get back from study abroad Jun 13 01:28:42 With Javscript and this doctor program, webos stomped on one of androids big advantages Jun 13 01:28:58 yep Jun 13 01:29:00 less of a hassle Jun 13 01:29:01 its easier to modify the basic programs and os of webos than it is on android right now Jun 13 01:29:19 people will look at javascript as a disadvantage, though, especially those that only have passing knowledge on it Jun 13 01:29:44 i think it's intuitive and perfect for like, a very large percentage of mobile apps Jun 13 01:29:49 i have copied over an app to the /var/usr/palm/applications directory and have been playing around, but changes dont take place until i restart the phone... any ideas? Jun 13 01:30:06 hamoe: you can kill lunasysmgr and have the same effect Jun 13 01:30:10 without losing your ssh sessions Jun 13 01:30:23 i have 2 open usually, one in top, and one in vi Jun 13 01:30:23 oh cool, and it will just restart itself? Jun 13 01:30:30 someone write a terminal app already Jun 13 01:30:34 I'll take Objective-C and Cocoa over Javascript any day Jun 13 01:30:42 i hate obj c :) Jun 13 01:30:45 but I'm obviously biased Jun 13 01:30:47 C forever Jun 13 01:30:51 id prefer java Jun 13 01:30:57 language preferences aside, it is nice to be able to see the source of all the apps Jun 13 01:31:13 hamoe: AND make changes on the fly basically Jun 13 01:31:20 i've used java heavily for the past 4 or 5 years Jun 13 01:31:25 I wish I could see all the source. I want source to some of the binaries in /usr/bin Jun 13 01:32:05 is anyone working on a cydia-like app? Jun 13 01:32:10 at least that you know of... Jun 13 01:32:18 saurik Jun 13 01:32:21 asedeno_home: like what? a lot of them link to busybox Jun 13 01:32:21 i wonder if palm is planning to make the base apps open source Jun 13 01:32:25 the maker of the actual Cydia :P Jun 13 01:32:31 or if the opensource stuff is going to be what they had to open source Jun 13 01:32:34 Like PmConnectionManager and PmWanDaemon Jun 13 01:32:35 oh, cool Jun 13 01:32:35 haha Jun 13 01:33:10 i dunno i'm disasm all the binaries i'm interested in at the mo Jun 13 01:33:13 blau-mikeDG: the open source stuff will be at least what they were legally required to make open Jun 13 01:33:17 hamoe: I think EvanPro wanted to work with someone to create an installed Jun 13 01:33:24 installer* Jun 13 01:33:34 someone wanna help me with wikidot? Jun 13 01:33:41 does that mean lunawebkit will be open sourced? Jun 13 01:34:01 i'm not entirely sure how gpl works Jun 13 01:34:08 has anyone come up with a better way of tethering than proxying through ssh? Jun 13 01:34:13 I'm trying to update the hash codes page, but it tells me i can't edit the page Jun 13 01:34:21 because i need to join Jun 13 01:34:21 ShinAli: I don't know what the license on webkit is Jun 13 01:34:23 LarrySteeze: you logged in? Jun 13 01:34:26 yeah Jun 13 01:34:35 and i'm joined too Jun 13 01:34:36 You can not apply. Jun 13 01:34:36 It seems you already are a member of this site. Jun 13 01:34:42 odd. lemme see if I can edit pages Jun 13 01:35:00 "WebKit is open source software with portions licensed under the LGPL and BSD licenses. Complete license and copyright information can be found within the code." Jun 13 01:35:31 so if Palm only used the BSD portions, they don't have to release anything Jun 13 01:35:43 yup, i can still edit pages Jun 13 01:36:09 let me try again Jun 13 01:36:16 blau-mikeDG: how'd you fix the status bar mod when you rebooted and had no status bar? Jun 13 01:36:20 (I just did that) Jun 13 01:36:25 in most common browsers javascript doesn't have access to write to the file system, anyone seen a way around this? Jun 13 01:36:35 oh Jun 13 01:36:37 I'm not sure what the language of LGPL says, but I think you're allowed to link against it, but keep your source closed Jun 13 01:36:39 never mind, it works now Jun 13 01:36:39 zinge: i put the old file back :) Jun 13 01:36:54 ohh the amazon app does it Jun 13 01:36:55 heh. but I thought you said you had the mod working? Jun 13 01:36:57 i had some issue where i added a line that appeared blank to me Jun 13 01:37:00 oh its working Jun 13 01:37:07 but apparently it wasnt or something Jun 13 01:37:11 once i deleted the line it worked Jun 13 01:37:12 where is that pesky source =) Jun 13 01:37:13 summatismentis: as long as you link dynamically Jun 13 01:37:23 zinge: you tried my instructions and had issues? Jun 13 01:37:26 FINiKK: ah, ok Jun 13 01:37:30 hello everyone, i'm back. Jun 13 01:37:33 any info out there yet regarding tethering? Jun 13 01:37:44 so theoretically, Palm wouldn't need to release anything from nova-webkit Jun 13 01:37:51 yeah; I just figured it out though, when I copy/pasted though lisnes, it didn't copy the whole line Jun 13 01:37:54 any breakthroughs in the last hour or two? Jun 13 01:37:55 or whatever it's called Jun 13 01:38:01 I'm missigng the last 20 chars or so of each line Jun 13 01:38:02 ahh k Jun 13 01:38:08 lemme type them in and that should fix it Jun 13 01:38:14 lunawebkit Jun 13 01:38:19 yeah, that Jun 13 01:38:19 also awwwwww Jun 13 01:38:39 the modifications made to the plugin part would've been interesting to look at Jun 13 01:39:15 ShinAli: that's not to say they won't release source, we don't know. They just aren't legally required to Jun 13 01:40:03 im off to bed Jun 13 01:40:07 later guys Jun 13 01:40:13 tah Jun 13 01:40:38 that fixed it blau-mikeDG Jun 13 01:40:44 zinge: awesome! Jun 13 01:40:50 enjoy Jun 13 01:40:54 danke Jun 13 01:40:58 zinge: are you using vi to edit the file? Jun 13 01:41:01 i have noticed the app menu takes significantly longer to open than the device menu Jun 13 01:41:03 yeah Jun 13 01:41:09 yypp Jun 13 01:41:10 device menu is pretty instant for me Jun 13 01:41:18 no missing characters, that way Jun 13 01:41:40 thanks. I keep forgetting all my vi shortcuts and I don't feel like looking them up Jun 13 01:43:08 I would *love* to set a pager option to the messaging app... basically a nagger. I use my phone as a pager when I'm on call, and that little ding will /not/ wake me up. Jun 13 01:43:39 I want tags Jun 13 01:44:33 btw, anyone that /msgs me and doesn't get a response, its because I didn't notice the little tab opened with another /msg. Just yell at me in the channel and I'll look at it Jun 13 01:44:52 hey, is there a known way to get the IP of the phone from the phone? not sure if its in one of those hash codes. Jun 13 01:45:00 Anybody having problems elevating the sftp server using su -c /opt/libexec/sft-server in WinSCP? Jun 13 01:45:02 versus using novaterm and running ifconfig Jun 13 01:45:16 I can't seem to get it to work... Jun 13 01:45:29 hamoe: you can go to ipchicken.com in the browser Jun 13 01:45:35 or whatismyip.com Jun 13 01:45:39 # !!!This File is for Castle(GSM/UMTS) Modem Firmware releases only !! Jun 13 01:45:39 # Jun 13 01:45:39 # First three lines below are mandatory for FW updater to work properly even if you don't Jun 13 01:45:39 # want to modify any value in NV area. Jun 13 01:45:47 yea good point Jun 13 01:45:51 thanks Jun 13 01:46:05 we already know that GSM is being released in EUROPE Jun 13 01:46:15 I know Jun 13 01:46:21 vodaphone Jun 13 01:46:29 i didn't mean to paste it, sorry Jun 13 01:46:54 yeh, we should be careful about what we're pasting here Jun 13 01:47:39 if i were to paste something purposely, I'd use pastebin Jun 13 01:47:55 yep :) Jun 13 01:48:27 this is too difficult Jun 13 01:48:34 Although, generally, just as good practice, I'd said pointing people to files/lines is better Jun 13 01:49:23 my girlfriend is trying to talk to me about our trip to spain in a week while i try read code and keep up with the chat Jun 13 01:49:39 Spain is awesome, where are you going? Jun 13 01:49:45 zaragoza Jun 13 01:49:53 oh, ok Jun 13 01:50:15 I'm going to be spending fall semester in Sevilla Jun 13 01:50:25 cool Jun 13 01:50:37 I'm excited Jun 13 01:50:46 hmm sftp doesnt work says permission denied Jun 13 01:50:47 AEvening gents Jun 13 01:50:51 i would be too Jun 13 01:51:00 we're going for my sister's wedding Jun 13 01:51:02 anyone have a nice way dev process? Jun 13 01:51:06 my girlfriend is on the other side of the world right now so i dont have those silly problems :-P Jun 13 01:51:18 hamoe: huh? Jun 13 01:51:19 lol Jun 13 01:51:25 i just want to work on an app but its a pain using vi, i have ipkg-opt and dropbear going but i cant seem to sftp in, only ssh Jun 13 01:51:31 mine is on the other side of the room Jun 13 01:51:34 it's funny Jun 13 01:51:35 sorry that first message made no sense Jun 13 01:51:35 zinge: are you guys always that far apart? Jun 13 01:51:40 Guys I'm having a problem with subversion anyone able to give me a hand? Jun 13 01:51:48 i meant, anyone developing an app and have a nice way of doing it Jun 13 01:51:57 no, she's doing a semester abroad Jun 13 01:52:12 would prefer not to edit files on the device over ssh in vi Jun 13 01:52:17 zinge: ah, ok. How does that work? Jun 13 01:52:21 before we started dating, she didn't know a thing about computers...the other day she told me she got tethering working on her iPhone...and I didn't even know she knew what I was talking about when I told her I was trying to get tethering working on my pre. Jun 13 01:52:35 anyone seen source relating to the amazon store app? Jun 13 01:52:41 i'm sure she took the word tethering and researched it Jun 13 01:52:56 sounds hot Jun 13 01:53:04 nice LarrySteeze. summatusmentis . its annoying but not horrible. I went and visited a month ago Jun 13 01:53:20 hamoe: supposedly scp works with the newest version of dropbear Jun 13 01:53:39 zinge: alright will give that a shot Jun 13 01:53:42 thanks Jun 13 01:53:45 zinge: That's reasonable, I ask because I'm worried how it's gonna work out. Jun 13 01:53:50 hamoe: or just dump the whole app folder to your media/internal and copy it off usb to work on it? Jun 13 01:53:55 LarrySteeze how are you monitoring the dbus? Jun 13 01:53:56 I'll stop being all depressey in public though Jun 13 01:54:00 heh Jun 13 01:54:08 If you want an amusing protocol to look at sometime, take a look at how scp actually works Jun 13 01:54:14 zinge: thats what im looking for, someone more clever than me to point out something obvious =) Jun 13 01:54:15 It's both interesting and incredibly stupid Jun 13 01:54:16 PreGame: wasn't me Jun 13 01:54:33 dbus-utils Jun 13 01:54:33 in fact: I'm still combing the code Jun 13 01:55:04 I haven't utilized my root in the last couple days, I'm trying to have a solid answer before I start messing with things again Jun 13 01:55:21 I'm looking for something very specific Jun 13 01:55:48 For what? Jun 13 01:56:00 the tethering checksum Jun 13 01:57:59 where is the mail app? Jun 13 01:58:05 nm Jun 13 01:58:37 called email Jun 13 01:58:42 next to the femail app? Jun 13 01:58:45 nm Jun 13 01:58:53 lol Jun 13 01:59:43 that's the second day in a row I've seen someone use the phrase femail Jun 13 02:01:06 odd Jun 13 02:01:10 i've never heard that before Jun 13 02:01:26 before I waste my time doing it Jun 13 02:01:48 has anyone here rummaged through the bluetooth protocal? Jun 13 02:01:55 protocol Jun 13 02:02:02 hamoe: is it that you don't like vi, or you'd rather use a gui editor? Jun 13 02:02:04 for tethering? Jun 13 02:02:29 JackieRipper: im just used to using textmate and would prefer it Jun 13 02:02:31 i found the reference for the icon, but that's it so far Jun 13 02:02:31 could someone tell me where on the phone the ambient light sensor actually is? Jun 13 02:02:35 like physcially Jun 13 02:02:37 wow, i can attach any music in my library to an email. This is out of the box behavior Jun 13 02:02:45 zinge: I believe the earpiece Jun 13 02:02:50 thanks Jun 13 02:03:00 havent looked through bluetooth yet Jun 13 02:03:07 hamoe: ahh.. I was going to mention that there are a few other editors available in the ipkg repo Jun 13 02:03:36 JackieRipper: ah yea, thanks Jun 13 02:03:44 ok i'll dig deeper Jun 13 02:04:21 Is SirataXero here? Jun 13 02:06:43 Is Asedeno around? Jun 13 02:06:49 nope. Jun 13 02:06:53 :) Jun 13 02:06:58 damn, blew my cover. Jun 13 02:07:10 you're really bad at this Jun 13 02:07:28 summatus: who is bad? Jun 13 02:07:29 novaproxy still never works for me I get to listening on localhost, port 8023 run puTTY for Telnet localhost:8023 and it just shuts down Jun 13 02:07:40 using vista 64bit Jun 13 02:07:43 LarrySteeze: asedeno_home :) Jun 13 02:07:48 ah lol Jun 13 02:07:55 Kaerey: using putty in raw? Jun 13 02:08:00 CRAP Jun 13 02:08:07 was telnet. I missed the raw. Jun 13 02:08:11 Kaerey: i had trouble using putty for telnet.. i ended up just using windows telnet junky client Jun 13 02:08:13 apparently I did the "uh huh, sure, whatever you want" Jun 13 02:08:23 there it is! Jun 13 02:08:23 just in case, try 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost Jun 13 02:08:29 raw worked? Jun 13 02:08:29 and just gave my girlfriend permission to order me clothes online...which she just did. Jun 13 02:08:32 yeah Jun 13 02:08:42 you've also turned off local echo and line editing, right? Jun 13 02:08:50 I'm in Jun 13 02:08:54 good work, LarrySteeze Jun 13 02:08:57 LarrySteeze: also bad at this :) Jun 13 02:09:01 I'll give her permission to order me clothes online anytime. As long as you're paying for them... Jun 13 02:09:05 lol Jun 13 02:09:11 yeah...she used my credit card Jun 13 02:10:07 can any1 give me wiki write access? my wikidot login is bzhou Jun 13 02:10:17 Uh Jun 13 02:10:36 Did I miss something in this whole webkit thing? Jun 13 02:10:51 so far, my girlfriend has asked me to make her like 5 useless apps for her pre... *sigh* Jun 13 02:11:09 I know we're not pasting in this chatroom any more so... Jun 13 02:11:31 EvanPro: she has a Pre? Jun 13 02:12:10 applications\com.palm.app.bluetooth\javascripts\effects.js line 547 mentions that it is using SAFARI Jun 13 02:12:12 is there a way to run novacomd in a virtual machine? Jun 13 02:12:30 is there something I missed? Jun 13 02:13:01 i know they're both based off webkit but i was under the impression it was a different ... build? Jun 13 02:13:21 he... some copy/pasted? Jun 13 02:14:16 huh? Jun 13 02:14:19 wow, can't type Jun 13 02:14:21 I <3 objdump Jun 13 02:14:27 sombody copy and pasted when they were coding things? Jun 13 02:14:36 asedeno_home: found anything interesting? Jun 13 02:14:40 Not yet. Jun 13 02:14:49 you mean on palm's end? Jun 13 02:15:02 ya Jun 13 02:15:11 I've got a disassembled binary in one window, the ARM instruction set in another, and am just getting back into reading assembly. Jun 13 02:15:27 gh Jun 13 02:15:30 ugh* Jun 13 02:15:32 summatusmentis, yes.. she suckered me into buying her one. Jun 13 02:15:47 Hmm.. there seems to be a problem with the wiki for http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 13 02:15:49 EvanPro: so what's it take? will you buy me one? Jun 13 02:15:58 summatusmentis, give him head? Jun 13 02:16:01 I prefer higher level source, but there's something fun about getting my hands dirty in the assembly. Jun 13 02:16:12 psykoz: hrm.. tempting... Jun 13 02:16:17 step 4 command: mount -o loop /media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt is giving invalid argument error Jun 13 02:16:35 did you create both /opt and optware.ext3? Jun 13 02:16:51 following the wiki exactly Jun 13 02:17:02 lol NO. Jun 13 02:17:41 zinge, just msged you Jun 13 02:17:50 ls / Jun 13 02:17:50 is /opt there? Jun 13 02:17:57 it was yeah Jun 13 02:18:03 I'm in USB Mode so I'm going to change that Jun 13 02:18:08 finally, i'm the one with the beer. Jun 13 02:18:16 ... Jun 13 02:18:35 last night, a few people in here were talking abut having beer, but i was stuck working late. Jun 13 02:19:06 someone explain to me why in the bluetooth code theres a ton of things NOT related to bluetooth? Jun 13 02:19:18 it's a decoy Jun 13 02:19:19 for instance...effect.shake Jun 13 02:19:23 :-p Jun 13 02:19:42 and effect.slidedown Jun 13 02:19:47 it's a trick, get an axe. Jun 13 02:20:01 lol Jun 13 02:20:02 EvanPro: I wish I was the one with the beer. Jun 13 02:20:03 seriously Jun 13 02:20:08 whoever wrote those ipkg opt instructions, it's not mounting the opt upon start up Jun 13 02:20:09 someone else needs to look at this with me Jun 13 02:20:27 just so i know i'm not going crazy Jun 13 02:20:52 Okay... one part assembly, one part alcohol. I'll not be paying attention to IRC for a while. Jun 13 02:22:07 isn't fstab supposed to automatically mount something if you put in an entry in there? Jun 13 02:22:20 You guys have success setting up SFTP? Line 2 of step3 in the wiki causes an error for me Jun 13 02:22:34 ShinAli, i copied the fstab entry from here that someone said was working. Jun 13 02:22:38 voodooGod: that's outdated need the new package info Jun 13 02:22:41 i'm available to help with whatever now... i was busy at work all day so i was just spectating and poking a little. Jun 13 02:22:55 dreadchicken: its not with me Jun 13 02:23:05 i'm finding opera comments as well Jun 13 02:23:07 can you give me a good one and i'll update Jun 13 02:23:17 i replaced the spaces in between with tabs and got rid of the first space but nothin Jun 13 02:23:27 yeah I'm stuck on the ipkg-opt too step 4 still not working Jun 13 02:23:31 thats what i'm trying to figure out hah Jun 13 02:23:51 this part "mount -o loop /media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt"??? Jun 13 02:23:54 zinge, what does your fstab look like? Jun 13 02:25:17 Kaerey: are you getting an error? Jun 13 02:25:23 yeah Jun 13 02:25:27 Kaerey, re-do the steps in 4. Jun 13 02:25:29 I don't have one; new pre. I don't even have ipkg back on here yet Jun 13 02:25:32 just using novaproxy Jun 13 02:25:49 I have /opt working Jun 13 02:26:04 i did redo step 4 Jun 13 02:26:14 Kaerey: what is the error you are getting? Jun 13 02:26:33 Kaerey: try something for me. "mkdir /opt/test1" Jun 13 02:26:35 I think I found something Jun 13 02:26:41 ghost armor is here, so i'll be doing that for a while on 2 Pre's Jun 13 02:26:50 then i get mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /opt failed: Invalid argument Jun 13 02:27:02 tell me how that works dreadchicken , my phantomskinz just got here too Jun 13 02:27:14 Kaerey, is / rw? Jun 13 02:27:18 yeah Jun 13 02:27:44 losetup -d /dev/loop0 and try again Jun 13 02:28:12 you destroyed the loop target i'm guessing. no biggie. Jun 13 02:28:26 PreGame, zinge, nebula, rwhitby: any of you active? Jun 13 02:28:32 I may have found a key Jun 13 02:28:45 a key to what? Jun 13 02:28:58 "ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: No such device or address" Jun 13 02:29:07 tethering Jun 13 02:29:20 here; what's up? Jun 13 02:30:07 \applications\com.palm.app.bluetooth\app\controllers\bluetooth-assistant.js Jun 13 02:30:12 Kaerey, losetup -a Jun 13 02:30:28 it shows how the phone handles bluetooth tethering. Jun 13 02:30:36 anything there? if so you will need a reboot. Jun 13 02:31:07 losetup -a brings back nothing Jun 13 02:31:24 do you mean losetup -a /dev/loop0? Jun 13 02:31:36 ok Jun 13 02:31:36 losetup -a should show you all of them. Jun 13 02:31:52 nothin Jun 13 02:31:54 good deal, you should be clean...now try the mount again. Jun 13 02:32:55 dreadchicken: i think it might be because it necessarily doesn't mount them all in order Jun 13 02:33:09 nahh same error Jun 13 02:33:11 but thats a guess Jun 13 02:33:17 ShinAli: actually, it does Jun 13 02:33:22 I'm only seeing one mention of "tether" in bluetooth-assistant.js. Where should I be looking in the file Jun 13 02:33:24 ? Jun 13 02:33:45 JackieRipper: did the fstab work for you? Jun 13 02:33:48 hold on, sorry, i got a bit excited...i spoke before i understood Jun 13 02:33:55 ShinAli: yes Jun 13 02:34:12 mount -o loop /media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt fails with that? Jun 13 02:34:16 on reboot and everything? Jun 13 02:34:19 check out the reorder-controller.js in the luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers folder Jun 13 02:34:20 ShinAli: yes Jun 13 02:34:22 can you pm your fstab to me? Jun 13 02:34:29 sure Jun 13 02:34:47 thanks Jun 13 02:34:51 JackieRipper, yea...just post the line here and if it works for shinali i'll update the wiki...in case the wiki is wrong. Jun 13 02:34:52 me thinks that where the drag up to launch function is for the launcher Jun 13 02:35:11 instead of card view Jun 13 02:35:13 Dreadchicken: yes Jun 13 02:35:35 Kaerey: please just try making a directory in /opt real quick Jun 13 02:35:41 nm Jun 13 02:35:41 wait Jun 13 02:35:59 you do have both optware.ext3 and /opt, correct? Jun 13 02:35:59 df -h /opt Jun 13 02:36:28 dreadchicken: I followed the wiki exactly... unless there's an issue with copy/paste, as I typed out the mount command and edited fstab manually Jun 13 02:36:49 rootfs 441.7M - 399.7m 42.0M 90% Jun 13 02:37:26 Kaerey: ls -l /media/internal/optware.ext3 Jun 13 02:38:05 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 33553920 Jun 12 20:33 /media/internal/optware.ext3 Jun 13 02:38:24 hi guys Jun 13 02:39:10 hi h2d2 Jun 13 02:39:28 just added a couple of screenshots to the rooting wiki page Jun 13 02:39:32 will be adding more throughout Jun 13 02:39:34 you did newfs it...err, that makes me old...mke2fs it? Jun 13 02:39:56 yeah in step 4 the second line then I said y Jun 13 02:40:12 Kaerey: try that again Jun 13 02:40:26 JackieRipper, thx for a success story...was getting a bit worried. Jun 13 02:40:37 mke2fs -t ext3 -q /media/internal/optware.ext3 ; mount -o loop /media/internal/optware.ext3 /opt Jun 13 02:40:40 won't hurt anything, it's broke anyways. Jun 13 02:41:16 all one like? Jun 13 02:41:18 line Jun 13 02:41:31 yeah... the ; is a command separator Jun 13 02:42:13 ok it asks me y or n Jun 13 02:42:18 y Jun 13 02:42:40 mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /opt failed: Invalid argument Jun 13 02:43:46 what if I delete the optware.ext3 and remake that Jun 13 02:44:05 what's the command for delete (wow can you tell I dont' do command line crap) Jun 13 02:44:12 rm Jun 13 02:44:16 rm Jun 13 02:44:16 rm optware.ext3 Jun 13 02:44:51 dreadchicken: I have a few suggestions for additions/modifications to the wiki page on this... mind if I pm you? Jun 13 02:45:08 not at all, be warned i'm gonna go do ghost armor in a few minutes though. Jun 13 02:45:35 it still doesn't work for me Jun 13 02:45:39 hmm, wifes first or mine first...quandry. Jun 13 02:45:40 i'm getting confused Jun 13 02:46:20 i could add a line to the webos-sshenabler script i guess Jun 13 02:47:01 Nope same error Jun 13 02:47:18 anyone here know what bluetooth HFG is? Jun 13 02:47:27 I know HFP is hands free profile Jun 13 02:47:34 but i'm not sure about hfg Jun 13 02:48:12 I'll try option 2 Jun 13 02:50:45 hfg doesn't exist on wikipedia or bluetooth.com's profile pages Jun 13 02:51:02 i also need to find the significance to adil Jun 13 02:52:29 it looks to me like it is supposed to be hfp Jun 13 02:52:39 but it's mislabled throughout the ENTIRE source as hfg Jun 13 02:52:44 my fstab still doesn't work :( Jun 13 02:55:19 stupid novacomd installer hung up. grr. Jun 13 02:57:29 ShinAli I used option 2 and I'm on to installing dropbear Jun 13 02:57:40 ShinAli: can you paste it to me? Jun 13 02:57:43 the mounting works fine Jun 13 02:57:51 just fstab isn't mounting it Jun 13 02:57:54 JackieRipper: k **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 13 02:59:57 2009