**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 15 02:59:57 2009
Jun 15 02:59:58 <Sargun> Kaerey, no, in the two later commands
Jun 15 03:00:02 <Sargun> examancer, touchstone.
Jun 15 03:00:09 <Sargun> examancer, buy yourself a touchstone
Jun 15 03:00:09 <ultraBlack> sargun: yeah
Jun 15 03:00:16 <Sargun> ultraBlack, you see it?
Jun 15 03:00:24 <ultraBlack> sargun: no, i did a find on it. not there
Jun 15 03:00:25 <Orion_PK> you could use the same sort of service that the alarm uses psykoz
Jun 15 03:00:27 <examancer> hmm... i should. i hear the new back itself makes it almost worth it
Jun 15 03:00:45 <Orion_PK> it sits idle until a certain time, then activates
Jun 15 03:00:48 <ultraBlack> uhhhm. wait
Jun 15 03:01:11 <Sargun> ultraBlack, a find on it?
Jun 15 03:01:22 <ultraBlack> well, where am i looking? /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3?
Jun 15 03:01:32 <ultraBlack> do i need to use sqlite3?
Jun 15 03:01:36 <Sargun> oh, god.
Jun 15 03:01:42 <ultraBlack> sargun: linux noob
Jun 15 03:01:46 <Sargun> ultraBlack, grep $SECRETCODE /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3
Jun 15 03:02:02 <Sargun> ultraBlack, does that say matched
Jun 15 03:02:46 <ultraBlack> not the word matched... but it shows my code a couple of times and my email once
Jun 15 03:03:02 <Sargun> ok
Jun 15 03:03:21 <Sargun> ultraBlack, when you ran the sqlite3 commands earlier did you see your code
Jun 15 03:03:29 <Sargun> ultraBlack, did you send your self the code less than 10 minutes ago
Jun 15 03:04:04 <ultraBlack> sargun, agh i really don't remember. don't think so. and yes i would believe so. i can do it again
Jun 15 03:04:12 <Kaerey> Sargun: yes my code is there
Jun 15 03:04:27 <Sargun> Kaerey, did you change your /etc/events.d/crond? move your script?
Jun 15 03:04:47 <ultraBlack> sargun: i don't see my code when i run the sqlite cmd
Jun 15 03:04:56 <Kaerey> the /etc/events.d/crond entry matches my script location
Jun 15 03:05:07 <Sargun> Kaerey, ps aux|grep cron
Jun 15 03:05:24 <Kaerey> 2 entries
Jun 15 03:05:30 <Sargun> o.O
Jun 15 03:05:37 <Kaerey> root      1016  0.0  0.3   3004   800 ?        Ss   20:52   0:00 /usr/sbin/crond -f
Jun 15 03:05:37 <Kaerey> root      1994  0.0  0.2   2696   556 pts/0    S+   21:05   0:00 grep cron
Jun 15 03:05:43 <Sargun> nebula, you're the best beta tester here, mind testing it?
Jun 15 03:05:46 <ultraBlack> root      1021  0.0  0.3   3004   800 ?        Ss   19:52   0:00 /usr/sbin/crond -f
Jun 15 03:05:46 <ultraBlack> root      1751  0.0  0.2   2696   552 pts/0    S+   20:05   0:00 grep cron
Jun 15 03:05:54 <nebula> sure
Jun 15 03:05:59 <nebula> what now
Jun 15 03:06:11 <nebula> lemme just finish copying that db
Jun 15 03:06:20 <Sargun> ultraBlack, do this
Jun 15 03:06:24 <Sargun> SECRET=$YOURSECRET
Jun 15 03:06:26 <Sargun>         echo ".timeout 30000" > /tmp/trackersql
Jun 15 03:06:26 <Sargun>         cmd='SELECT messageText FROM com_palm_pim_FolderEntry WHERE timeStamp > (strftime("%s000", "now")-600000);'
Jun 15 03:06:26 <Sargun> #       output=$(echo $cmd|sqlite3 /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3)
Jun 15 03:06:26 <Sargun>         output=$(echo $cmd|sqlite3 -init /tmp/trackersql /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3)
Jun 15 03:06:26 <Sargun>         echo $output|grep $SECRET 2> /dev/null > /dev/null
Jun 15 03:06:30 <Sargun> echo $?
Jun 15 03:06:32 <Sargun> what does it say
Jun 15 03:06:55 <Sargun> I shoulda probably pastebinned that
Jun 15 03:07:06 <nebula> good call ;)
Jun 15 03:07:10 <ultraBlack> echo $? puts out a 1
Jun 15 03:07:29 <jwm> anyone's pre get really hot while talking?
Jun 15 03:07:29 <Sargun> echo $output|grep $SECRET
Jun 15 03:07:34 <Sargun> ultraBlack, what does that say
Jun 15 03:07:45 <ultraBlack> absolutely nothing
Jun 15 03:07:49 <Stik> This that tracking thing that keeps sending my code from my email to my sms?
Jun 15 03:07:51 <jblebrun> Has anyone here actually talked on their pre yet?
Jun 15 03:07:52 <examancer> jwm: nope, just charging sometimes
Jun 15 03:07:55 <jblebrun> ;-)
Jun 15 03:07:56 <jwm> heh, weird
Jun 15 03:08:00 <jwm> mine doesn't get hot charging
Jun 15 03:08:03 <jwm> just during talking
Jun 15 03:08:06 <jwm> almost burning hot
Jun 15 03:08:12 <ultraBlack> sargun, nothing. doesn't say a thing
Jun 15 03:08:15 <jwm> uses a lot of battery power during talk too
Jun 15 03:08:24 <jwm> ohh well, replacement is coming soon hehe
Jun 15 03:08:28 <Sargun> ultraBlack, 'echo $output' -- do you see your code there?
Jun 15 03:08:33 <Sargun> ultraBlack, when did you send your code there
Jun 15 03:08:49 <ultraBlack> sargun: it gave me a blank line
Jun 15 03:08:58 <ultraBlack> sargun: want me to sms my code to my phone again?
Jun 15 03:09:07 <ultraBlack> sargun: it's probably been more than 10 min now
Jun 15 03:09:50 <ultraBlack> sargun: wait does sms work with this? i should probably email O.O
Jun 15 03:09:58 <Sargun> ultraBlack, uhm, eh?
Jun 15 03:10:08 <ultraBlack> sargun: I had used http://messaging.sprintpcs.com/textmessaging/compose
Jun 15 03:10:18 <Sargun> ultraBlack, meh
Jun 15 03:10:24 <Sargun> ultraBlack, resend it
Jun 15 03:10:31 <ultraBlack> sargun: yeah i'll email it this time
Jun 15 03:10:52 <Stik> Guess it is the same thing :D
Jun 15 03:11:05 <ultraBlack> sargun: email'd
Jun 15 03:11:20 <ultraBlack> sargun: it got to my phone. now what? lol
Jun 15 03:12:13 <opie_> nice, fone is nice and rooted
Jun 15 03:12:31 <nebula> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzLfai2GrKo
Jun 15 03:12:36 <nebula> vnc viewer on the palm pre
Jun 15 03:12:43 <ultraBlack> Sargun: Sorry I don't know what I'm doing
Jun 15 03:12:48 <ultraBlack> nebula: nice! I wanted this
Jun 15 03:12:55 <jwm> anyone know when the sdk will be released/
Jun 15 03:12:56 <jwm> ?
Jun 15 03:12:58 <nebula> ultraBlack: no controls yet, but its a start
Jun 15 03:13:15 <ultraBlack> nebula: need to make it more than just a viewer! ;)
Jun 15 03:13:18 <Sargun> ultraBlack, http://pastebin.com/d55ccdaa8
Jun 15 03:13:24 <Sargun> ultraBlack, run that, and pastebin the output
Jun 15 03:13:24 <nebula> ya, that's the idea
Jun 15 03:13:46 <nebula> a mouse driver needs to be written, though
Jun 15 03:14:08 <Sargun> nebula, why aren't you in QA?
Jun 15 03:14:37 <mib_1y8kny> Evening guys.  I am getting the 10061 error trying to connect the pre with the python command talk.py.  Pre is in Developer mode.  Firewall on my machine has been disabled.  Any other reasons that would cause this not to connect?
Jun 15 03:15:28 <ultraBlack> sargun: http://pastebin.com/m551efa7a
Jun 15 03:15:54 <Sargun> ultraBlack, uhm, what's your DEST?
Jun 15 03:16:09 <Sargun> ls /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:16:26 <Sargun> ultraBlack, post the output of: 'ls /home/scripts/'
Jun 15 03:16:26 <ultraBlack> /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:16:26 <ultraBlack> ?
Jun 15 03:16:36 <ultraBlack> track.sh
Jun 15 03:16:37 <Sargun> ultraBlack, what's your DEST=?
Jun 15 03:16:51 <Sargun> ultraBlack, post your /etc/cron/crontabs/root
Jun 15 03:16:55 <nebula> Sargun: qa? i wish
Jun 15 03:16:59 <opie_> what is busy box?
Jun 15 03:17:25 <ultraBlack> sargun: */5 * * * * /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:17:46 <rwhitby> opie_: www.busybox.net
Jun 15 03:18:06 <jwm> opie_: it's a streamlined program that includes everything all in one binary needed to boot a system to a minimal state during rc processing
Jun 15 03:18:11 <opie_> thanks, reading now
Jun 15 03:18:45 <opie_> this is just something palm decided to use then?
Jun 15 03:18:47 <EvanPro_> any simple gui apps high on the request list besides a terminal (or anything that would require terminal interaction, since we haven't figured out mojo->terminal)?
Jun 15 03:18:55 <rwhitby> opie_: it's common on embedded devices
Jun 15 03:18:57 <jwm> opie_: most linux distros use it
Jun 15 03:19:02 <jwm> in some form
Jun 15 03:19:08 <jwm> especially rescue systems
Jun 15 03:19:11 <rwhitby> and the default for OpenEmbedded, which Palm used to build the linux rootfs
Jun 15 03:19:13 <jwm> yeah, embedded systems too
Jun 15 03:19:24 <Sargun> a ultraBlack what is your DEST=?
Jun 15 03:19:31 <ultraBlack> sargun: i don't know
Jun 15 03:19:50 <Sargun> ultraBlack, post the output of: cat /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:21:20 <ultraBlack> sargun: oh my DEST.. its ultraBlack@yahoo.com
Jun 15 03:21:43 <Kaerey> Sargun, this is going to be newbish, but does the SCRET and DEST entries need to be in " "?
Jun 15 03:21:48 <Sargun> ultraBlack, ok, wtf
Jun 15 03:22:56 <w5mw> Hey.. I got the "Roam Only" mode enabled by modifying one file '/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phoneprefs/app/controllers/preflist-assistant.js'
Jun 15 03:23:11 <w5mw> diff file is here : 'http://www.gadgettrail.com/pre/preflist-assistant.js.roam.patch'
Jun 15 03:23:47 <brikus> you sure about that?
Jun 15 03:23:48 <Sargun> ultraBlack, replace your track.sh http://pastebin.com/d37b5354
Jun 15 03:23:57 <Sargun> ultraBlack, make sure you have DEST, and SECREt
Jun 15 03:24:03 <Sargun> ultraBlack, resend the code
Jun 15 03:24:03 <datafirm> I assume there is no way to protect our js files once a webos system has been rooted?  ie, since there is no compiled js on the device, its going to be easy for commercial products to have their source taken?
Jun 15 03:24:06 <brikus> roam only mode is a almost definitely a modem setting
Jun 15 03:24:19 <opie_> i looks to me like rootfs is still mounted in read-write, can someone confirm that i should expect this with out a call to 'mount -o remout,ro /' before reboot?
Jun 15 03:24:33 <w5mw> I'm sure.. Tested it
Jun 15 03:25:09 <brikus> datafirm: yes but that's not a bad thing for us or them really
Jun 15 03:25:10 <ultraBlack> i have to replace all of them or just the first two?
Jun 15 03:25:34 <Sargun> datafirm, it's all copyrighted
Jun 15 03:25:35 <w5mw> The TelephonyInterfaceLayer for CDMA has roamonly as a parameter. It's just not setup as an option in the jr file.
Jun 15 03:25:51 <brikus> datafirm: guessing some of them will try obfusication which I think I have already heard of a app in the catalog using
Jun 15 03:26:09 <bpadalino> w5mw: how did you figure that out ?
Jun 15 03:26:22 <brikus> w5mw: also, how did you test it?
Jun 15 03:26:43 <oc80z> guess whos back like a heart attack
Jun 15 03:27:36 <w5mw> I listed out all the strings in the '/usr/bin/TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma' binary. homeonly and roamonly we both there.
Jun 15 03:28:08 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 15 03:28:09 <bpadalino> neato
Jun 15 03:28:16 <w5mw> I took a guess that it was only missing from the UI portion of the phone prefs. Tested it on my pre and it works with my patch.
Jun 15 03:28:21 <ultraBlack> sargun: http://pastebin.com/d52e8b1b7
Jun 15 03:28:28 <bpadalino> neato
Jun 15 03:28:46 <Sargun> ultraBlack, Ah, don't put a Space after the = in DEST, and SECRET!!!
Jun 15 03:29:02 <ultraBlack> sargun: ok
Jun 15 03:29:09 <Kaerey> trying the new script now. but I didn't have the spaces
Jun 15 03:30:29 <Sargun> ultraBlack, resend yourself the code
Jun 15 03:30:35 <ultraBlack> ok
Jun 15 03:33:54 <vandi> when you do a partial device reset, it does stuff to /var
Jun 15 03:34:02 <Kaerey> sargun, nothing still.
Jun 15 03:34:02 <vandi> keeps the passwd file.
Jun 15 03:34:12 <ultraBlack> sargun nothing here either
Jun 15 03:34:14 <vandi> but home directory got removed.
Jun 15 03:34:18 <Sargun> ultraBlack, wait 2 minutes
Jun 15 03:34:39 <Sargun> ultraBlack, cat /tmp/lastrun
Jun 15 03:35:26 <ultraBlack> sargun: cat: can't open '/tmp/lastrun': No such file or directory
Jun 15 03:35:33 <Sargun> ultraBlack, ok, try it again
Jun 15 03:35:43 <ultraBlack> sargun: nope
Jun 15 03:35:56 <ultraBlack> sargun you mean resend it. alright...
Jun 15 03:37:24 <Sargun> ultraBlack, no, try the cat again
Jun 15 03:37:33 <ultraBlack> sargun: it doesn't work
Jun 15 03:37:44 <Sargun> ultraBlack, uhm, is cron running?
Jun 15 03:37:54 <ultraBlack> sargun: how do i check?
Jun 15 03:38:06 <Sargun> ultraBlack, ls -l  /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:38:11 <Sargun> ultraBlack, run that
Jun 15 03:38:45 <ripper> Can anybody explain to me why when I try to remove or comment out the div tag for twitter in universal search it breaks universal search?
Jun 15 03:38:48 <ultraBlack> sargun: -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1100 Jun 14 19:29 /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:39:33 <Sargun> ultraBlack, chmod 755 /home/scripts/track.sh
Jun 15 03:39:40 <Sargun> ultraBlack, resend the code to the device
Jun 15 03:39:43 <examancer> after i install debian how do I actually get "in" to the chroot?
Jun 15 03:39:54 <Sargun> examancer, look at "activating"
Jun 15 03:39:59 <examancer> k
Jun 15 03:40:29 <ultraBlack> sargun: genius!
Jun 15 03:40:31 <ultraBlack> sargun: works
Jun 15 03:40:37 <ultraBlack> sargun: but is chmod 755 safe?
Jun 15 03:40:40 <examancer> is that on the wiki?
Jun 15 03:40:43 <Sargun> ultraBlack, sure
Jun 15 03:41:01 <ultraBlack> sargun: what do you think the actual problem is?
Jun 15 03:41:04 <Sargun> Omg, $11 for 4 oz os salmon. This is some fucking awesome salmon.a
Jun 15 03:41:18 <Kaerey> LOL it better be
Jun 15 03:41:24 <Sargun> Darjeeling Tea & Ginger Cured Smoked Salmon
Jun 15 03:41:29 <pyrognome> rwhitby, I have SFTP, SSH working. Should I start over to utilize the optware so i can stay current with any new apps that may come about from all of your guy's hardwork?
Jun 15 03:41:31 <examancer> nvm Sargun ... i AM in the chroot and didn't realize
Jun 15 03:41:36 <Sargun> http://www.charlietrotters.com/store/food/product.asp?catID=4&productID=81
Jun 15 03:41:57 <asedeno_home> I read salmon.a and think, "I haven't heard of that library."
Jun 15 03:44:08 <psykoz> Sargun, is it wild alaskan salmon?
Jun 15 03:44:32 <Sargun> psykoz, nope
Jun 15 03:45:30 <EvanPro_> you know, given what we all make an hour... i bet we've collectively put over $100k worth of work into this phone in the last week...
Jun 15 03:46:18 <jblebrun> ha
Jun 15 03:46:18 <Sargun> yeah
Jun 15 03:46:19 <Sargun> more
Jun 15 03:46:29 <Sargun> rwhitby is some sort of CEO
Jun 15 03:46:31 <Sargun> er, CTO
Jun 15 03:46:52 <summatusmentis> what?
Jun 15 03:47:01 <Sargun> EvanPro_, I think if palm had to hire this community, it'd cost something like a few million
Jun 15 03:47:23 <EvanPro_> sargun, oh yeah, easy.
Jun 15 03:47:47 <EvanPro_> ii should set up a page where we all anonymously put in our salaries and see what it comes out to lol
Jun 15 03:47:54 <Sargun> haha
Jun 15 03:48:00 <vandi> well, mine's 0 :)
Jun 15 03:48:04 <EvanPro_> ....or, i could make an app for it. lol
Jun 15 03:48:13 <mikeDOTd> http://www.rwhitby.net
Jun 15 03:48:27 <ripper> EvanPro_: You should also have it include a section for how much of our employers time we've spent on it too.
Jun 15 03:48:34 <Sargun> ripper, haha
Jun 15 03:48:34 <summatusmentis> vandi: mine's not a "salary", but it's not high
Jun 15 03:48:57 <vandi> actually, that's not really true...
Jun 15 03:49:05 <EvanPro_> i'm on stupid salary.. i hate it.
Jun 15 03:49:17 <summatusmentis> I'm on a "Google pays me for the summer"
Jun 15 03:49:27 <vandi> I get paid what ever unemployment is..
Jun 15 03:49:37 <EvanPro_> google pays me about $1500 / month :)
Jun 15 03:50:00 <bpadalino> wow
Jun 15 03:50:03 <ripper> Yeah, around here the quickest way to get made salary is to work overtime a few hours.  They'll get you off the time clock real quick.
Jun 15 03:50:04 <bpadalino> that's pretty good
Jun 15 03:50:07 <bpadalino> evan, from ads ?
Jun 15 03:50:25 <summatusmentis> EvanPro_: me too, actually
Jun 15 03:50:30 <summatusmentis> but only for 3 montsh
Jun 15 03:50:34 <summatusmentis> months*
Jun 15 03:50:44 <ripper> So, anyone tried to remove twitter from universal search?
Jun 15 03:50:54 <psykoz> ripper, yes
Jun 15 03:50:58 <ripper> It's wierd, whenever I remove that div from the html file it breaks.
Jun 15 03:51:11 <ripper> But I can remove other ones with no problem.  Is there something special about twitter?
Jun 15 03:51:23 <psykoz> I didn't have that problem
Jun 15 03:51:48 <Sargun> I hate twitta
Jun 15 03:51:52 <ripper> Hmm, did you delete twitter from all three files?
Jun 15 03:52:02 <EvanPro_> bpadalino, yes from ads. it was $2700/month but then my site went down for a while and it dropped like a rock.. hasn't climbed back up yet.
Jun 15 03:52:08 <psykoz> it went out pretty smoothly, but I did also put something else in, so I'm unsure of whether your issue is you didn't pull out its div's correctly, or if they're checking for at least 4 search options
Jun 15 03:52:12 <psykoz> sargun, nod
Jun 15 03:52:36 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 15 03:52:39 <psykoz> ripper, I commented it out in all the other files except the divs, the div's wouldn't comment out for some reason, so I just said f' it and deleted
Jun 15 03:52:45 <ripper> Well, I added another one at the same time, so there were 4.
Jun 15 03:53:08 <EvanPro_> sargun, me too... my damn girlfriend tells twitter more about her day than she tells me.. and she only has two people "following" her... *sgh*
Jun 15 03:53:17 <psykoz> I'd relook over your divs, make sure each one that opens has a closing one, sounds like you're having an issue with that then.
Jun 15 03:53:18 <summatusmentis> EvanPro_: so follow her?
Jun 15 03:53:21 <asedeno_home> ==
Jun 15 03:53:40 <EvanPro_> summatusmentis: but... i hate twitter. lol
Jun 15 03:53:53 <psykoz> just call her a twat
Jun 15 03:53:58 <psykoz> and get it over with ;)
Jun 15 03:54:02 <Sargun> EvanPro_, what's her account name
Jun 15 03:54:03 <EvanPro_> psykoz: hahahahaha
Jun 15 03:54:15 <summatusmentis> EvanPro_: I've become addicted
Jun 15 03:54:32 <psykoz> thankfully my gf knows how to SSH/screen irssi to tell people about her day ;)
Jun 15 03:54:53 <ripper> Okay, there's more references to twitter in the global-search-assistant.js file than are mentioned in the wiki.  Did you comment out any of those?
Jun 15 03:55:00 <EvanPro_> psykoz: is your girlfriend the pre?
Jun 15 03:55:18 <psykoz> evanpro_, nope, and trust me there are girls out there who understand how to use terminal! :)
Jun 15 03:55:32 <datafirm> brikus: OK.. its a good and bad thing.
Jun 15 03:56:07 <datafirm> good thing for devs, but may scare some people away from building apps as it could expose secret APIs, algorithms etc. :-/
Jun 15 04:00:12 <nebula> why do people insist on trolling youtube comment sections?
Jun 15 04:00:15 <pyrognome> Sorry to interupt, but I have SFTP, SSH working from the older way with out sudo. Should I start over to utilize the optware so i can stay current with any new apps that may come about from all of your guy's hardwork?
Jun 15 04:00:23 <JackieRipper> Sargun: you may want to add a grep "\"errorCode\":0,"
Jun 15 04:00:34 <EvanPro_> From her twitter: "Got my new phone!!! I love my boyfriend. 12:17 PM Jun 6th from txt "... That tweet cost me $549.00.
Jun 15 04:00:44 <Sargun> JackieRipper, why
Jun 15 04:00:49 <JackieRipper> if gps is off, two of the messages will be blank
Jun 15 04:01:01 <Sargun> psykoz, you should invite her here
Jun 15 04:01:05 <bpadalino> evanpro, expensive tweet
Jun 15 04:01:39 <psykoz> sargun, nah she has no interest in a pre hacking channel ;)  she won't even let me root her pre
Jun 15 04:01:57 <pyrognome> i really only need to get in to play with the js files
Jun 15 04:02:07 <jblebrun> argh
Jun 15 04:02:13 <jblebrun> I've almost got my PDFs rotating
Jun 15 04:02:26 <Sargun> psykoz, bad girl.
Jun 15 04:02:29 <Sargun> psykoz, why not?
Jun 15 04:03:14 <EvanPro_> psykoz: lol i have the opposite problem.. my girlfriend is begging me to root hers and change the alert sound lol. i keep telling her no.
Jun 15 04:03:22 <psykoz> she just likes me not touching her stuff, don't blame her ;)  I hacked up the iPod touch we have and it didn't jive well with her at first, but when she tried out the terminal app and could irssi on the go she lightened up a bit
Jun 15 04:03:38 <bpadalino> she is on irc ?
Jun 15 04:03:48 <psykoz> not on freenode, no
Jun 15 04:03:54 <Sargun> EvanPro_, I'll root her pre.
Jun 15 04:03:59 <psykoz> we're efnetters
Jun 15 04:04:04 <EvanPro_> Sargun, that sounds dirty.
Jun 15 04:04:09 <Sargun> EvanPro_, I know.
Jun 15 04:04:17 <Sargun> EvanPro_, it is
Jun 15 04:04:26 <psykoz> yeesh, I've been on efnet for 16 years now :O
Jun 15 04:04:43 <EvanPro_> Sargun, oh god lol.
Jun 15 04:04:53 <Sargun> psykoz, old man
Jun 15 04:05:05 <Sargun> psykoz, 16 years ago, I couldn't even talk-- probably
Jun 15 04:05:14 <bpadalino> wow, really ?
Jun 15 04:05:18 <psykoz> Sargun, well I was 11 at the time ;)
Jun 15 04:05:19 <bpadalino> how old are you sargun ?
Jun 15 04:05:19 <EvanPro_> sargun, same here.
Jun 15 04:05:48 <bpadalino> yeah, i started around the same time psykoz ... undernet and efnet - now it's efnet and freenode
Jun 15 04:06:09 <bpadalino> brb
Jun 15 04:06:51 <Sargun> haha
Jun 15 04:07:01 <mib_bw32rv> ~
Jun 15 04:07:05 <Sargun> bpadalino, 18.5 and like, 11 days
Jun 15 04:08:05 * EvanPro_ has a year on Sargun
Jun 15 04:08:15 <Sargun> EvanPro_, when is your birthday
Jun 15 04:08:21 <EvanPro_> March
Jun 15 04:08:36 <Sargun> ok, you have less than a year
Jun 15 04:08:56 <EvanPro_> ah, alright then. you keep calling me out on specifics.. dang.
Jun 15 04:09:11 <Sargun> EvanPro_, What can I say, I'm in the computer industry
Jun 15 04:09:39 <Sargun> a byte is a byte. an int is an int.. unless you're talking about endian issues
Jun 15 04:10:13 <EvanPro_> yeah, yeah. lol
Jun 15 04:10:58 * EvanPro_ seems to be unusually "lol" happy tonight...
Jun 15 04:11:06 * EvanPro_ blames it on lack of sleep.
Jun 15 04:13:44 <EvanPro_> anyways... i'm out for the night.. i have to be up early for "work".. i'll try to write up a short "how-to" for mojo apps on the wiki soon, now that i've got it down good.
Jun 15 04:14:05 <bpadalino> evanpro, night
Jun 15 04:14:54 <jblebrun> bye evanpro
Jun 15 04:15:05 <Sargun> night
Jun 15 04:18:34 <jblebrun> YAY rotating PDFs
Jun 15 04:20:06 <mib_d4g7a2> public static LowLevelReturnCode setRoamMode(RoamMode mode)
Jun 15 04:20:24 <mib_d4g7a2> {
Jun 15 04:20:30 <Sargun> ....
Jun 15 04:20:32 <Sargun> }
Jun 15 04:20:59 <mib_d4g7a2> TILReturnCode rc;
Jun 15 04:21:11 <mib_d4g7a2> TelephonyServer.getLog().logMessage(Level.FINEST, "LowLevelTILNetwork::setRoamMode: begin");
Jun 15 04:21:21 <mib_d4g7a2>  if (mode == null) {
Jun 15 04:21:32 <mib_d4g7a2> return LowLevelReturnCode.GENERAL_FAILURE;
Jun 15 04:21:42 <brikus> pastebin, dude
Jun 15 04:21:46 <mib_d4g7a2> }
Jun 15 04:21:47 <mib_d4g7a2> String[] rsp = TelephonyServer.getIpcInstance().sendSync("tel.setroamingmode", new String[] { mode.toString() });
Jun 15 04:21:51 <bpadalino> whoops
Jun 15 04:22:07 <mib_d4g7a2> try
Jun 15 04:22:08 <mib_d4g7a2> }
Jun 15 04:22:22 <mib_d4g7a2> rc = TILReturnCode.valueOf(rsp[1]);
Jun 15 04:22:25 <mib_d4g7a2> }
Jun 15 04:22:31 <nebula> yikes
Jun 15 04:22:33 <nebula> dpaste!
Jun 15 04:22:34 <mib_d4g7a2> } catch (IllegalArgumentException e) {
Jun 15 04:22:53 <mib_d4g7a2> TelephonyServer.getLog().logMessage(Level.SEVERE, "LowLevelTILNetwork::setRoamMode: unexpected return value: " + rsp[1]);
Jun 15 04:23:11 <Sargun> mib_d4g7a2, this will make it so you cannot talk.
Jun 15 04:23:12 <bpadalino> whoops
Jun 15 04:23:20 <Sargun> I will make it so you can talk
Jun 15 04:23:28 <Sargun> Don't flood that channel.
Jun 15 04:23:40 <Sargun> g'boy!
Jun 15 04:23:43 <mib_d4g7a2> your loss
Jun 15 04:24:26 <tmzt> mib_d4g7a2: it's fixed
Jun 15 04:25:33 <njcoffman> im setting up my sftp and modifying they sudoers file, esc+x doesnt seem to save my changes (uses Tera Term, vista)
Jun 15 04:25:47 <tmzt> mib_dfsabc4y: what they are saying is if you want to paste multple lines of text to use a service that allows you to do that
Jun 15 04:25:55 <tmzt> our loss, potentially
Jun 15 04:26:18 <j0sh> [00:24:41] * mib_d4g7a2 was kicked by nebula (Please learn to respect ops!)
Jun 15 04:26:21 <j0sh> gone, baby
Jun 15 04:26:22 <j0sh> gone
Jun 15 04:26:39 <psykoz> should just ban mib_*!*@* ;)
Jun 15 04:26:50 <tmzt> did he do something other than paste text that led to that action?
Jun 15 04:26:52 <j0sh> well we dont want to ban everyone using that client
Jun 15 04:26:53 <j0sh> right?
Jun 15 04:27:01 <j0sh> i mean he wasnt even banned
Jun 15 04:27:06 <j0sh> just kicked
Jun 15 04:27:15 <psykoz> j0sh, no but if they can't fill out a nickname ;)  then they should probably not be here <grin>
Jun 15 04:27:16 <nebula> tmzt: i took the comment as kind of wise, nothing major
Jun 15 04:27:22 <summatusmentis> we shouldn't ban all mibbit users
Jun 15 04:27:25 <nebula> he can come back as he pleases
Jun 15 04:27:25 <j0sh> haha
Jun 15 04:27:47 <bpadalino> it could have been a mis-paste ..
Jun 15 04:27:57 <bpadalino> accidental errant right-click
Jun 15 04:27:58 <bpadalino> etc
Jun 15 04:28:05 <summatusmentis> "your loss" doesn't sound like a mis-paste
Jun 15 04:28:07 <tmzt> nebula: I'm not sure that's the impression he got
Jun 15 04:28:15 <j0sh> yeah that sounds like him being a douche
Jun 15 04:28:16 <j0sh> sry
Jun 15 04:28:22 <nebula> (12:23:37 AM) Sargun: g'boy! (12:23:40 AM) mib_d4g7a2: your loss
Jun 15 04:28:41 <nebula> it may have been a bit sensitive to boot him, but he's not banned!
Jun 15 04:28:48 <summatusmentis> no, he's not banned
Jun 15 04:28:53 <bpadalino> true
Jun 15 04:28:59 <summatusmentis> which is a good thing :0
Jun 15 04:29:09 <j0sh> please
Jun 15 04:29:14 <j0sh> kicks happen
Jun 15 04:29:14 <nebula> banning is only for total jackhats
Jun 15 04:29:17 <j0sh> its not like a big thing
Jun 15 04:29:44 <summatusmentis> absolutely
Jun 15 04:30:14 <summatusmentis> if he wants, he'll come back
Jun 15 04:30:55 <oc80z> hi hi
Jun 15 04:31:02 <oc80z> whats hood!
Jun 15 04:31:56 <oc80z> ..cant believe -why- danger inc. key'd their sidekick2's from developer options..
Jun 15 04:31:59 <psykoz> summatusmentis, notice the ban string I offered was mib_*!*@* which would imply all mibbit users who don't know how to fill out a nickname ;)
Jun 15 04:31:59 <summatusmentis> "whats hood"? what does that mean?
Jun 15 04:32:09 <summatusmentis> psykoz: well, still :)
Jun 15 04:32:17 <JackieRipper> have a good night, everyone
Jun 15 04:32:25 <j0sh> i think he means whats good
Jun 15 04:32:30 <j0sh> since g is next to h
Jun 15 04:32:41 <oc80z> i mean, it kicked ass once it was unlocked, google maps and bar code scanners. i bet cause TMo wanted to make a buck off the ringtones/store
Jun 15 04:32:51 <oc80z> gangstuh gangstuh!
Jun 15 04:32:56 <j0sh> or that
Jun 15 04:33:02 <oc80z> (:
Jun 15 04:33:22 <summatusmentis> haha, oh
Jun 15 04:33:35 <summatusmentis> I wasn't sure if that was slang I was missing or something
Jun 15 04:33:49 <oc80z> :)
Jun 15 04:33:53 <nebula> oh wait, whats mibbit? some kind of web irc?
Jun 15 04:33:56 <oc80z> Glad to see this is the greatest phone alive
Jun 15 04:33:58 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 15 04:33:59 <summatusmentis> yeah
Jun 15 04:34:01 <oc80z> nebula sure is
Jun 15 04:34:02 <j0sh> mibbit is all uh
Jun 15 04:34:10 <j0sh> js or ajaxy
Jun 15 04:34:13 <nebula> oh, so i'm not surprised they were being rude
Jun 15 04:34:14 <j0sh> or something
Jun 15 04:34:15 <j0sh> its nice
Jun 15 04:34:17 <j0sh> rofl.
Jun 15 04:34:21 <tmzt> nebula: yes
Jun 15 04:34:25 <oc80z> its a web front end to IRC
Jun 15 04:34:25 <summatusmentis> j0sh: ajax
Jun 15 04:34:27 <summatusmentis> iirc
Jun 15 04:34:58 <Kyusaku> mibbit sorta works on the Pre
Jun 15 04:35:24 <psykoz> just need a terminal app on my Pre ;(
Jun 15 04:35:37 <tmzt> it's often used by people who are not familiar with irc, proceedure, processes, etc.
Jun 15 04:35:42 <j0sh> didnt we get a web console
Jun 15 04:35:48 <j0sh> i mean its not quite terminal
Jun 15 04:35:48 <summatusmentis> j0sh: sorta
Jun 15 04:35:48 <njcoffman> is there an easy way to test if i get sftp set up correctly?
Jun 15 04:35:53 <j0sh> but it works
Jun 15 04:35:53 <summatusmentis> it's apparently crappy
Jun 15 04:35:57 <j0sh> crappy how
Jun 15 04:36:04 <j0sh> i saw something about high cpu usage
Jun 15 04:36:05 <summatusmentis> not sure, ask whoiswhois
Jun 15 04:36:09 <summatusmentis> he did it
Jun 15 04:36:12 <j0sh> hrm
Jun 15 04:36:15 <j0sh> man
Jun 15 04:36:21 <j0sh> and a terminal app is so simple too
Jun 15 04:36:48 <summatusmentis> so write one ;)
Jun 15 04:36:50 <mikeDOTd> get coding then
Jun 15 04:37:03 <j0sh> just cause i know something is simple doesnt mean i know how to do it
Jun 15 04:37:15 <summatusmentis> haha
Jun 15 04:37:19 <j0sh> and that doesnt change the fact that its simple
Jun 15 04:37:26 <oc80z> hmm?
Jun 15 04:37:27 <oc80z> lost.
Jun 15 04:37:32 <summatusmentis> I was grepping a bit to see if there was an easy way to pass system commands through the js
Jun 15 04:37:46 <jblebrun> Ok, I have added rotation support to the PDFViewer
Jun 15 04:37:55 <summatusmentis> jblebrun: cool :)
Jun 15 04:38:00 <j0sh> sweet
Jun 15 04:38:03 <oc80z> finally heh
Jun 15 04:38:05 <j0sh> what did you have to do
Jun 15 04:38:14 <oc80z> u copy and paste the other jazz over?
Jun 15 04:38:32 <oc80z> i havent toor'd yet
Jun 15 04:38:44 <jblebrun> Apparently 90 degree turns trigger a call the orientationChanged function of a controller
Jun 15 04:38:59 <examancer> are there any solutions for launching directfb apps from the webOS GUI yet?
Jun 15 04:39:08 <oc80z> yeah
Jun 15 04:39:26 <summatusmentis> examancer: not sure, I thought all directfb apps were in a debian chroot
Jun 15 04:39:42 <JohnPro> What does the tracking script on the wiki do?
Jun 15 04:40:00 <examancer> yeah. is there a way to kick off the chroot and a directfb app sans ssh?
Jun 15 04:40:11 <examancer> i'm guessing there isn't, but thought i would ask
Jun 15 04:40:13 <jblebrun> Is Sargun the wiki owner?
Jun 15 04:40:27 <summatusmentis> examancer: there could be, if there was a way to pass native commands through nova
Jun 15 04:40:30 <oc80z> dont ask
Jun 15 04:40:30 <summatusmentis> jblebrun: nope
Jun 15 04:41:11 <summatusmentis> oc80z: ?
Jun 15 04:41:20 <Sargun> jblebrun, not at all
Jun 15 04:41:29 <examancer> guess that could be a useful thing to tackle. i wonder how the youtube app is accessing gstreamer...
Jun 15 04:41:30 <Sargun> jblebrun, why would you think that
Jun 15 04:41:31 <oc80z> lulz
Jun 15 04:42:23 <JohnPro> Repost: What does the tracking script on the wiki do?
Jun 15 04:42:53 <Sargun> It tracks the pre, if it gets lost
Jun 15 04:43:11 <ripper> That's the super happy awesome tracker script!
Jun 15 04:43:11 <JohnPro> How?  Does it send the data to my email?
Jun 15 04:43:20 <jblebrun> Sargun: Because I didn't get past "Contributors" under "Contact" ;-)
Jun 15 04:43:22 <jblebrun> now I see
Jun 15 04:43:38 <summatusmentis> JohnPro: are you reading the page?
Jun 15 04:43:45 <JohnPro> Ye
Jun 15 04:43:46 <JohnPro> s
Jun 15 04:43:52 <Sargun> JohnPro, yeah
Jun 15 04:43:56 <summatusmentis> DEST=put your e-mail address here
Jun 15 04:44:07 <JohnPro> oh okay
Jun 15 04:44:16 <JohnPro> and how accurate is it
Jun 15 04:44:25 <ripper> Was there something difficult preventing you from having it send the location to whatever email address sent the request?
Jun 15 04:45:24 <brikus> ripper: I don't think Sprint sets your email as the from in the msg
Jun 15 04:45:33 <examancer> i love palm's attitude towards the Pre's hacking community. i hope they're rewarded with massive developer support, lots of killer apps, and lots of users.
Jun 15 04:45:37 <brikus> hold on, I can test this
Jun 15 04:48:17 <brikus> it sets 6245 as the from, but it includes the email as the first part of the msg so it should be parsable
Jun 15 04:48:43 <ultraBlack> brikus: it's a random 4 digit #
Jun 15 04:48:58 <brikus> ah
Jun 15 04:53:15 <datafirm> is there a js library that webos is using that I can study.. or are we able to use our own?
Jun 15 04:53:27 <bpadalino> both
Jun 15 04:53:37 <bpadalino> mojo.js and you can import whatever js you want
Jun 15 04:53:56 <datafirm> bpadalino: I have the webos image.. but I could not find these files.. do you know where they are on theima ge?
Jun 15 04:53:59 <Sargun> examancer, hey, it's taking a while
Jun 15 04:54:02 <datafirm> the image
Jun 15 04:54:04 <examancer> how do I transfer files (like ROMs) into the chroot?
Jun 15 04:54:15 <bpadalino> yeah, you need to untar the filesystem
Jun 15 04:54:24 <Sargun> examancer, scp. cat...
Jun 15 04:54:25 <everfine> could someone explain to me what it means to chroot into the pre. I have enabled root, enabled optware, and now in terminal (OSX) it' saying apt-get is not a command
Jun 15 04:54:26 <datafirm> bpadalino: Ive untarred a lot.. haa
Jun 15 04:54:26 <bpadalino> then you can look under /usr/palm/frameworks i think ?
Jun 15 04:54:28 <bpadalino> let me check
Jun 15 04:54:43 <examancer> Sargun: k. i'll do the scp route :-)
Jun 15 04:54:48 <bpadalino> yeah
Jun 15 04:54:51 <summatusmentis> sounds right, I was poking around in their earlier
Jun 15 04:54:54 <bpadalino>  /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo
Jun 15 04:55:28 <summatusmentis> wait, so if you can import your own .js, we can just write something to pass commands to the command line
Jun 15 04:55:35 <jblebrun> everfine: apt-get is a command available if you're running Debian or a Debian-based linux like Ubuntu
Jun 15 04:55:48 <bpadalino> no,because js doesn't know anything about a commandline
Jun 15 04:55:50 <datafirm> bpadalino: thanks
Jun 15 04:55:56 <everfine> jblebrun: is there any way to chroot on mac?
Jun 15 04:56:11 <examancer> everfine: you have to install debian onto the Pre
Jun 15 04:56:12 <datafirm> anyone know if we'll be able to run sctips from applications?
Jun 15 04:56:15 <datafirm> ruby, php, etc?
Jun 15 04:56:17 <examancer> there is a wiki page for doing that
Jun 15 04:56:31 <everfine> examancer: can you direct me to it?
Jun 15 04:56:37 <examancer> everfine: you install it in a chroot so its in a sandbox
Jun 15 04:56:42 <summatusmentis> bpadalino: nothing at all?
Jun 15 04:56:45 <summatusmentis> that's unfortunate
Jun 15 04:56:47 <examancer> http://predev.wikidot.com/debian
Jun 15 04:57:40 <everfine> examancer: what if i only have mac osx right now. this seems like you need linux which is not on this computer.
Jun 15 04:58:00 <examancer> oh. to resize the filesystem you do
Jun 15 04:58:17 <examancer> thats the only step that requires a linux machine, fore resize2fs
Jun 15 04:58:31 <bpadalino> everfine: os x is the best os to have for hacking the pre
Jun 15 04:58:37 <bpadalino> install the Novacom driver from the jar
Jun 15 04:58:43 <bpadalino> navigate to /opt/nova/bin and have fun
Jun 15 04:58:45 <everfine> bpadalino: i did
Jun 15 04:58:53 <everfine> i've rooted and installed optware
Jun 15 04:58:57 <examancer> bpadalino: he's at the debian install step
Jun 15 04:59:02 <everfine> yes.
Jun 15 04:59:07 <bpadalino> oh ok
Jun 15 04:59:25 <datafirm> is there an xml parser in the mojo framework?
Jun 15 04:59:30 <summatusmentis> bpadalino: what about http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/shell.html ? could we take that code?
Jun 15 04:59:35 <examancer> i would imagine there is something that could accomplish what resize2fs does in linux on OSX, but don't know what that would be
Jun 15 04:59:43 <summatusmentis> it's still not "nova-fied" exactly
Jun 15 05:00:09 <bpadalino> summatusmentis: it's just a javascript shell
Jun 15 05:00:10 <bpadalino> so sure ?
Jun 15 05:00:17 <examancer> everfine: you can just use a livecd, pop it in, resize the file, and then reboot back into OSX
Jun 15 05:00:27 <examancer> aye?
Jun 15 05:00:37 <everfine> ok, thanks. that's what i'm going to do.
Jun 15 05:00:55 <summatusmentis> bpadalino: it's using some javascript interpreter to allow you to pass commands directly to cli
Jun 15 05:01:24 <everfine> once i resize the file, do i just run bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2 etc... in terminal
Jun 15 05:01:33 <bpadalino> does webos take file:/// arguments ?
Jun 15 05:02:30 <Kaerey> can someone check the instructions for the Graphical Shell I think step 5 should be ./make_certificate.sh
Jun 15 05:02:39 <JohnPro> What is the most number of apps one can have running on his phone before he experiences a lag?
Jun 15 05:02:57 <everfine> 1
Jun 15 05:03:00 <summatusmentis> bpadalino: usr/lib/luna/luna-media/private/StreamingPlayEngine.js looks like it
Jun 15 05:03:17 <JohnPro> anyone else have any input?
Jun 15 05:03:26 <everfine> sorry...
Jun 15 05:04:00 <bpadalino> i get an error saying "Cannot display local files"
Jun 15 05:04:02 <bpadalino> interesting
Jun 15 05:04:38 <everfine> examancer: do I even need to resize the image or is it just for convenience and space?
Jun 15 05:04:50 <JohnPro> And I know we cannot discuss how... but can anyone tell me if tether is "possible" yet?
Jun 15 05:04:52 <examancer> everfine: you WILL need extra space to install apps
Jun 15 05:05:19 <examancer> you won't make it through the directfb steps or any of the other steps for doom or nes if that is your goal
Jun 15 05:05:52 <everfine> ok thanks. i get it now.
Jun 15 05:06:12 <Ajaxify> I've been trying the bypass activation (I assume this is appropriate since it is on the wiki). Everytime I flash the phone it goes to the palm logo and hangs there. Anyone had success with this?
Jun 15 05:07:24 <chrisa> Which method are you using to bypass activation?
Jun 15 05:07:53 <Ajaxify> Editing the app-assistant.js in com.palm.app.firstuse
Jun 15 05:08:12 <Ajaxify> Is there more than one method?
Jun 15 05:10:24 <summatusmentis> I'm off to bed, 'night all
Jun 15 05:10:56 <deepthoughtsoft> in the graphical shell steps in the create upstart script does it mean to just make the start on stopped finish
Jun 15 05:10:56 <deepthoughtsoft> stop on runlevel [!2]
Jun 15 05:10:56 <deepthoughtsoft> console none
Jun 15 05:10:56 <deepthoughtsoft> respawn
Jun 15 05:10:56 <deepthoughtsoft> exec /opt/bin/python /opt/share/webshell/webshell.py -c "/opt/bin/ssh -p 222 -l preuser localhost" --ssl-disable
Jun 15 05:11:25 <deepthoughtsoft> oops, didnt mean to do that
Jun 15 05:11:37 <deepthoughtsoft> but yeah that contents, just in that file?
Jun 15 05:13:02 <jblebrun> datafirm: DOMParser
Jun 15 05:13:46 <datafirm> jblebrun: I could not find this in the mojo framework..
Jun 15 05:14:14 <datafirm> jblebrun: ahh.. its just part of standard js?
Jun 15 05:14:25 <jblebrun> yes
Jun 15 05:14:35 <jblebrun> well, sort of
Jun 15 05:14:54 <jblebrun> Most browsers have it built in as a host object
Jun 15 05:15:46 <jblebrun> So, it's part of webkit
Jun 15 05:16:02 <Kaerey> chrisa, can you tell who ever made the keyboard with a button for : and not putting it in the "Sym" section like on the 800w that I love them!
Jun 15 05:19:44 <JohnPro> Is tethering possible?  Without saying how?
Jun 15 05:19:56 <bpadalino> yes - the device supports it
Jun 15 05:22:06 <examancer> i love how the music app doesn't skip at all even though i'm doing some pretty heavy compiling in the background
Jun 15 05:22:32 <nebula> i think it buffers quite a bit
Jun 15 05:22:32 <datafirm> jblebrun: perfect..
Jun 15 05:22:43 <nebula> when i'm on the subway, it keeps playing when i go under the city
Jun 15 05:22:49 <Lurking_Grue> John: Yes.
Jun 15 05:22:55 <Lurking_Grue> ls
Jun 15 05:23:11 <datafirm> does webos have the ability to let an app run in the background and listen for system events?  ie.. i want to listen for an sms event and then dispatch a new event?
Jun 15 05:23:21 <examancer> nebula: you're talking about pandora I'm guessing? I've noticed that too. i was referring to just the music/mp3 app
Jun 15 05:23:29 <nebula> examancer: ah
Jun 15 05:23:42 <nebula> good to know
Jun 15 05:23:48 <Sargun> nebula, it buffers up a song
Jun 15 05:23:59 <nebula> yeah, pretty quick i might add
Jun 15 05:24:02 <Sargun> nebula, they don't have cell phone repeaters in the subway
Jun 15 05:24:15 <nebula> not in this particular section
Jun 15 05:24:58 <nebula> ie. right under Boston
Jun 15 05:25:11 <nebula> downtown that is
Jun 15 05:25:24 <nebula> they just added roaming digital
Jun 15 05:25:29 <nebula> but no sprint
Jun 15 05:25:33 <mattickus> i've always wondered why verizon works so well in on the metro and sprint does't when they're both cdma
Jun 15 05:25:58 <nebula> i think verizon lets sprint roam on their network under the city (boston)
Jun 15 05:26:10 <mattickus> they don't in dc
Jun 15 05:26:16 <examancer> has anyone tried to mod the AmazonMP3 app to download songs over EVDO? if thats a TOS violation I'll stop talking about it but I don't think it is.
Jun 15 05:26:29 <mattickus> atleast not when i lived there last yr
Jun 15 05:26:40 <ckent> you cant dl over evdo
Jun 15 05:26:43 <ckent> any mp3
Jun 15 05:26:53 <ckent> only stream
Jun 15 05:26:54 <jblebrun> datafirm: I'm pretty sure, but I haven't figured it out yet. I think the email app might have an example.
Jun 15 05:27:25 <examancer> ckent: is that an OS level thing? if amazon can DL over wifi why couldn't it over EVDO?
Jun 15 05:27:29 <datafirm> jblebrun: nice.. like listening for events from the photo app?
Jun 15 05:27:53 <examancer> or are you talking about the TOS?
Jun 15 05:27:59 <jblebrun> datafirm: Hmmm. In theory it should be possible, but I don't know if an API is exposed for that
Jun 15 05:28:16 <ckent> im not sure exactly..i guess sprint blocked it out. I dont think it violates TOS
Jun 15 05:28:27 <datafirm> jblebrun: any idea if we're able to run cron tasks?
Jun 15 05:28:41 <jblebrun> datafirm: yes. check out the tracker app on the wiki
Jun 15 05:28:41 <examancer> i don't see how they could tell the different between streaming and downloading from the carrier's end
Jun 15 05:29:00 <dreadchicken> seems odd sprint would block dl while allowing streaming, same amount of data either way.
Jun 15 05:29:07 <datafirm> jblebrun: palm supported?
Jun 15 05:29:12 <examancer> exactly. should look the same really
Jun 15 05:29:13 <dreadchicken> and as he said, they are the same thing.
Jun 15 05:29:36 <everfine> what is the file path of the main pre folder when you use as a USB drive (with wallpapers/ringers/etc..)?
Jun 15 05:29:52 <examancer> i can stream quicktime and certain other video formats. the bandwidth demands must be incredible compared to DL'ing MP3s
Jun 15 05:29:53 <Lurking_Grue> Has anybody gotten this "mount: cannot setup loop device: No such file or directory" while following the debian install instructions?
Jun 15 05:29:57 <dreadchicken> ./media/internal everfine
Jun 15 05:29:59 <jblebrun> datafirm: I don't know if it's palm supported. cron is installed on the device at purchase, though.
Jun 15 05:30:40 <Sargun> datafirm, we can cron tasks, just gotta turn on cron
Jun 15 05:30:47 <nebula> Lurking_Grue: are you root?
Jun 15 05:30:48 <datafirm> jblebrun: Yeah.. just wonder how apps install.. where they can place files and if the system is allowed to execute them
Jun 15 05:31:00 <everfine> dreadchicken: when i ls ./media/internal it shows no files. shouldnt it show the files i can see in the finder?
Jun 15 05:31:14 <datafirm> Sargun: and can we turn cron on through an palm installed app?
Jun 15 05:31:15 <Lurking_Grue> Nebula: Ok, i'm an idiot. *Grins*
Jun 15 05:31:21 <nebula> no no, it happens
Jun 15 05:31:30 <mattickus> i just learned you can't type /media/internal in irc
Jun 15 05:31:33 <mattickus> lol
Jun 15 05:31:37 <nebula> do ./
Jun 15 05:31:38 <Sargun> datafirm, uhm, what do you man
Jun 15 05:31:44 <Stik> damn tracker.. if you don't delete the sms message it continues spamming your email.. this how it's supposed to work?
Jun 15 05:31:52 <jblebrun> "installing" an app is easy... you just put an app directory in /var/palm/applications
Jun 15 05:32:11 <datafirm> Sargun: i concepting an app, but need to know if its possible through "A
Jun 15 05:32:19 <datafirm> "App Catalog" apps
Jun 15 05:32:19 <Sargun> datafirm, it is
Jun 15 05:32:24 <everfine> ./: Permission denied
Jun 15 05:32:24 <dreadchicken> Stik, you should 3 emails iirc.
Jun 15 05:32:33 <dreadchicken> you have it in usb mode?
Jun 15 05:32:39 <Stik> yeah
Jun 15 05:32:44 <everfine> yes
Jun 15 05:32:49 <Stik> oops
Jun 15 05:32:51 <dreadchicken> get out of that.
Jun 15 05:33:06 <Lurking_Grue> If you are running the nintendo emulator and a call comes in what does the phone do?
Jun 15 05:33:06 <jblebrun> datafirm: A good starting point for me was copying an existing app into a new directory... like com.palm.app.myapp, and change appinfo.json to reflect the new app ID and name.
Jun 15 05:33:07 * nebula -> bed
Jun 15 05:33:10 <Stik> yeah it sends 3 emails then 5 min later sends 3 more and continues till you delete the sms message
Jun 15 05:33:15 <everfine> i'm trying to get debsmall.img from the main USB finder window into ./media/internal
Jun 15 05:33:16 <dreadchicken> vfat mounted rw in two places is asking for bad juju.
Jun 15 05:33:25 <dreadchicken> or even wishing to.
Jun 15 05:33:35 <datafirm> jblebrun: thanks for the tip
Jun 15 05:35:24 <Sargun> protip!
Jun 15 05:35:41 <everfine> anyone know how to get debsmall.img into ./media/internal using terminal?
Jun 15 05:35:45 <datafirm> anyone got sftp to work on os x?
Jun 15 05:35:53 <datafirm> i wanna create sshfs mount
Jun 15 05:36:13 <dreadchicken> everfine, just put it on the disk in usb mode?
Jun 15 05:36:34 <dreadchicken> un-usb mode it and access from the pre itself.
Jun 15 05:36:38 <everfine> dreadchicken: i did. i drug it in the finder window but i need it in media/internal
Jun 15 05:36:52 <dreadchicken> usb mode = /media/internal
Jun 15 05:37:47 <datafirm> how have you guys been testing your apps, if you do not have an emulator?
Jun 15 05:37:51 <datafirm> safari?
Jun 15 05:37:54 <everfine> dreadchicken: it can't be. when i ls ./media/internal it shows no files even though i see it in the main finder window (along with other folders). plus i tried to mount it and it says no such file or directory
Jun 15 05:38:00 <jblebrun> datafirm: on the device
Jun 15 05:38:07 <JohnPro> Is the Pre's WiFi capable of both taking in a signal and broadcasting out a signal at the same time?
Jun 15 05:38:15 <datafirm> jblebrun: but can you develop in real time.. or do you have to reboot?
Jun 15 05:38:41 <jblebrun> I haven't quite figured out how it works. I've been playing with the PDF app, and I can just flick it away and restart it.
Jun 15 05:38:42 <Sargun> JohnPro, huh
Jun 15 05:38:50 <dreadchicken> take the phone out of usb mode, get a command line and type df -h /media/internal.
Jun 15 05:38:54 <jblebrun> But some things require restart
Jun 15 05:39:25 <dreadchicken> you cannot have the device in usb mode and see media internal from the pre at the same time.
Jun 15 05:39:27 <JohnPro> Can the Pre's WiFi adapted both taking in data and simultaneously broadcast out data?
Jun 15 05:39:48 <everfine> dreadchicken: /dev/mapper/store-media 6.7G mounted on /media/internal
Jun 15 05:40:21 <dreadchicken> ls -al /media/internal
Jun 15 05:40:22 <jblebrun> johnpro: Do you mean, running as a master and a managed node simultaneously?
Jun 15 05:40:53 <everfine> dreadchicken: ok, i see debsmall.img in that.
Jun 15 05:41:04 <JohnPro> jblerun: I mean take in data and send out data?  It is often used for tethering.  I am not asking for that reason but that is what I am talking about.
Jun 15 05:41:12 <dreadchicken> everfine, where were you looking?
Jun 15 05:41:25 <everfine> when i mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf it says no file though
Jun 15 05:41:27 <jblebrun> johnpro: All wifi connections receive and send data...
Jun 15 05:41:46 <dreadchicken> everfine, and does the directory /media/cf exist?
Jun 15 05:41:50 <everfine> yes
Jun 15 05:42:14 <JohnPro> jblerun:  I know but some wifi adapters are able to manage both at the same time like for tethering.  Is the Pre technically capable of this?  Without saying how...
Jun 15 05:42:15 <everfine> got it working
Jun 15 05:42:22 <everfine> must have been a typo. shit sorry
Jun 15 05:42:54 <dreadchicken> pebkac
Jun 15 05:43:12 <everfine> ok...i activated debian rootfs?
Jun 15 05:43:46 <dreadchicken> no idea, i've not played with the deb chroot.
Jun 15 05:43:54 <everfine> thank you all is working dreadchicken
Jun 15 05:44:04 <everfine> its late...
Jun 15 05:45:34 <datafirm> does preos implementation of webkit implement E4X?
Jun 15 05:46:28 <ShinAli> what's E4X?
Jun 15 05:46:55 <jblebrun> datafirm: not sure.
Jun 15 05:48:41 <datafirm> jblebrun: darn.. safari does not support E4X.
Jun 15 05:48:44 <datafirm> so probably not.
Jun 15 06:02:21 <tmzt> ShinAli: ecma for xml, some kind of javascript api
Jun 15 06:02:24 <examancer> getting "Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse." when trying to launch fceux after compiling/installing it. ideas?
Jun 15 06:02:37 <tmzt> fceux?
Jun 15 06:02:43 <examancer> the NES emulator
Jun 15 06:02:47 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 06:03:08 <tmzt> the touch screen is on a entry in /dev right?
Jun 15 06:03:24 <tmzt> it's probably looking for /dev/input something
Jun 15 06:03:39 <tmzt> can you strace? no rom just emu
Jun 15 06:04:26 <examancer> yes, i have /dev/touchscreen
Jun 15 06:04:29 <examancer> don't konw what strace is
Jun 15 06:04:58 <tmzt> strace fceux
Jun 15 06:05:12 <tmzt> are you running this with luna killed?
Jun 15 06:05:24 <examancer> no, haven't killed luna yet
Jun 15 06:05:38 <tmzt> ok, either way
Jun 15 06:05:39 <examancer> that wasn't in the NES instructions :-P saw that in the doom instructions though
Jun 15 06:05:51 <tmzt> instruction? :)
Jun 15 06:05:55 <tmzt> s
Jun 15 06:06:07 <examancer> yes, the instructions on the wiki
Jun 15 06:06:45 <examancer> didn't have strace installed. installing
Jun 15 06:07:00 <examancer> oh jeez thats verbose
Jun 15 06:07:48 <tmzt> yeah
Jun 15 06:08:15 <tmzt> try strace -e open fceux
Jun 15 06:08:46 <examancer> heh. much more managable :-P
Jun 15 06:08:55 <tmzt> yeah
Jun 15 06:09:12 <tmzt> ok, what is failing?
Jun 15 06:09:32 <examancer> a number of places...
Jun 15 06:10:00 <tmzt> related to touchscreen?
Jun 15 06:10:04 <tmzt> in /dev
Jun 15 06:10:20 <examancer> /etc/fb.modes, /dev/vc/2, /dev/input/mice, etc...
Jun 15 06:10:22 <tmzt> some things always fail
Jun 15 06:10:30 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 06:10:33 <examancer> nothing related to touchscreen anywhere in that output, failed or successful
Jun 15 06:10:49 <tmzt> vc is your terminal which shouldn't be involved here
Jun 15 06:10:59 <tmzt> if you're on ssh/novacomd
Jun 15 06:11:04 <examancer> ssh
Jun 15 06:11:14 <examancer> in the chroot
Jun 15 06:11:24 <tmzt> anything else in /dev?
Jun 15 06:11:24 <tmzt> ah
Jun 15 06:11:39 <tmzt> did you mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev ?
Jun 15 06:11:49 <tmzt> do that for dev, sys, proc
Jun 15 06:11:54 <examancer> from within the chroot or outside of it?
Jun 15 06:12:00 <tmzt> add it to any script you use
Jun 15 06:12:02 <tmzt> outside
Jun 15 06:12:22 <examancer> oh, yeah, i believe that was done... i got disconnected from the device and figured it would stay on
Jun 15 06:12:25 <examancer> but maybe not...
Jun 15 06:12:27 <examancer> checking
Jun 15 06:13:50 <tmzt> yeah
Jun 15 06:13:54 <tmzt> it will
Jun 15 06:14:01 <tmzt> until umount/reboot
Jun 15 06:14:19 <tmzt> that's not really the problem though
Jun 15 06:14:23 <examancer> hmm... was going to try to remount but its telling me its in use when i try to umount
Jun 15 06:14:27 <examancer> heh
Jun 15 06:14:46 <tmzt> it's not opening the correct file
Jun 15 06:14:59 <tmzt> do you need mouse/touchscreen?
Jun 15 06:15:13 <examancer> for mario? i don't assume so. i'll need it when i leave mario though
Jun 15 06:15:14 <examancer> heh
Jun 15 06:15:31 <tmzt> I don't know fceux
Jun 15 06:15:38 <examancer> me either
Jun 15 06:15:42 <examancer> heh
Jun 15 06:15:50 <tmzt> what kind of navigation does pre have?
Jun 15 06:16:36 <tmzt> maybe the touch events could be used?
Jun 15 06:16:45 <opie-x> i think /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.amazonstore/app/models/download-manager.js , has an interesting function called download with some even more interesting code aound, //download only if wifi is on
Jun 15 06:17:06 <tmzt> yes
Jun 15 06:17:13 <tmzt> that's been documented
Jun 15 06:17:28 <opie-x> ohh really, on the wiki somewhere?
Jun 15 06:18:01 <examancer> i didn't see it there, but maybe i missed it
Jun 15 06:18:28 <examancer> was thinking about trying to mod that program to do EVDO downloads. not sure how complex it would be. hadn't gotten around to looking at it
Jun 15 06:18:38 <tmzt> in here at least
Jun 15 06:18:45 <DDBKA> @sdk
Jun 15 06:18:54 <tmzt> what?
Jun 15 06:19:04 <tmzt> it's simple
Jun 15 06:19:13 <tmzt> just from knowing javascript
Jun 15 06:19:28 <tmzt> replace what ever it checks with 1
Jun 15 06:19:30 <datafirm> anyone got sftp to work on os x?
Jun 15 06:19:45 <tmzt> with what application?
Jun 15 06:20:11 <tmzt> finder?
Jun 15 06:24:00 <datafirm> no.. im an idiot.. forgot to put the alternate port in.. haha
Jun 15 06:24:55 <examancer> the wiki (http://predev.wikidot.com/nintendo) looks so straight forward... don't know why its finding the wrong file
Jun 15 06:25:09 <examancer> should i kill luna first maybe? i don't know if that would make a difference
Jun 15 06:26:39 <examancer> looking at the DOOM instructions it looks like i would need to and also need to export the SDL settings
Jun 15 06:26:44 <examancer> hmm
Jun 15 06:34:31 <datafirm> ha.. there are a lot of TODO and FIXMEs in these apps.. ;)
Jun 15 06:35:07 * rwhitby returns
Jun 15 06:35:28 <rwhitby> and notices we've had our first ops action :-)
Jun 15 06:35:38 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 15 06:36:00 <rwhitby> what mib_d4g7a2 pasted is Palm copyright code, right?
Jun 15 06:37:25 <examancer> i got it working! brilliant
Jun 15 06:39:44 <examancer> alright, i can sleep now!
Jun 15 06:40:07 <examancer> software reset still works even with luna killed. nice :-)
Jun 15 06:40:36 <Sargun> rwhitby, disassembled java code
Jun 15 06:41:12 <rwhitby> right, Palm's java code
Jun 15 06:41:26 <Sargun> yup
Jun 15 06:43:27 <datafirm> is com.palm.superlog used to store app data in an sqlite db?
Jun 15 06:45:59 <rwhitby> So mib_d4g7a2 is welcome back as long as he is prepared to follow the channel policy.
Jun 15 06:48:16 <jblebrun> rwhitby: and I made my PDFs rotate :-D
Jun 15 07:25:02 <PreNomadBrad> anyone ever run into a Permission denied error when attempting to get the Graphical Shell running?
Jun 15 07:25:16 <PreNomadBrad> in specific when attempting to make the certificate
Jun 15 07:25:27 <zinge> hello
Jun 15 07:25:47 <zinge> just because I use mibbit doesn't make me a bad person, does it? :-)
Jun 15 07:26:12 <zinge> also, somebody mentioned something about gstreamer: fyi, I used that to break my camera app last night, although a reboot fixed it
Jun 15 07:26:35 <rwhitby> zinge: we welcome all people, regardless of IRC client :-)
Jun 15 07:26:47 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 15 07:27:20 <zinge> examancer, you still here? know anything about gstreamer?
Jun 15 07:28:38 * zinge does that thing where people run next to a fence and run a stick along it to make noise
Jun 15 07:46:42 <justintevya_> trying to root my pre and having some issues, any know problems with using windows 7? trying inside of a VM (native linux) and nativly windows as well. consistently getting error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. all firewalls turned off drivers install correctly
Jun 15 07:46:57 <datafirm> anyone know where Mojo.log logs?
Jun 15 07:47:10 <datafirm> Mojo.Log.logProperties
Jun 15 07:47:18 <zinge> native linux doesn't work yet, afaik. Windows 7 doesn't work well, but can work if you have RC1
Jun 15 07:47:43 <zinge> actually, if you have rc1 instead of just beta, use XP compatibility mode
Jun 15 07:47:50 <zinge> and just do it in xp
Jun 15 07:48:21 <zinge> also, make sure your pre is in dev mode, make sure the Palm Novacomm (forgot the actual name) service is running
Jun 15 07:48:23 <justintevya_> run the python script in xp mode?
Jun 15 07:48:28 <zinge> yes
Jun 15 07:48:30 <justintevya_> k
Jun 15 07:48:41 <zinge> are you using talk.py or novaproxy.py?
Jun 15 07:48:51 <justintevya_> have both
Jun 15 07:48:57 <zinge> okay.
Jun 15 07:49:15 <zinge> I recommend novaproxy, since the lat on the usb is much better.
Jun 15 07:49:50 <zinge> geeze, where is everyone tonight?
Jun 15 07:50:46 <zinge> since no one is really here, I'm just gonna type some things so document what I'm working on for the logger or in case someone comes back, I guss
Jun 15 07:51:15 <jblebrun> I'm writing up a how-to based on a little hack I just made
Jun 15 07:51:19 <jblebrun> I'll listen to you ;-)
Jun 15 07:51:26 <zinge> ok
Jun 15 07:51:26 <zinge> :-)
Jun 15 07:51:26 <zinge> still working on my goal of trying to get the mic and camera to stream over evdo to use my pre as a go-anywhere wireless webcam
Jun 15 07:51:35 <jblebrun> oooo
Jun 15 07:51:35 <zinge> switched from trying vlc to gstreamer
Jun 15 07:51:37 <jblebrun> wow
Jun 15 07:51:46 <zinge> as gstreamer is already installed, and vlc was a hassle to try and get to work
Jun 15 07:52:22 <zinge> last night, tried to pipe my camera... elsewhere. and failed, breaking my camera app, as I didn't understand anything about gst-launch.
Jun 15 07:52:31 <zinge> learning it now and taking it slower, starting with audio
Jun 15 07:52:53 <zinge> alsasink is already installed, so alsa support should be good
Jun 15 07:53:33 <jblebrun> and is the mic a normal audio input device?
Jun 15 07:53:53 <zinge> but trying to test gstreamer with the test sine tone from gstreamers docs page "gst-launch audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! alsasink"
Jun 15 07:54:09 <zinge> shows that for some readon audioresample isn't installed
Jun 15 07:54:23 <zinge> jblebrun: I can arecord straight from the mic, so I assume yes
Jun 15 07:54:34 <jblebrun> That's nice news
Jun 15 07:55:15 <justintevya_> still just getting: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it
Jun 15 07:55:27 <zinge> so what I'm doing now is going through gstreamer docs and trying to figure out: why audioresample isn't installed, and how to install it
Jun 15 07:55:34 <zinge> justintevya_: using xp and novaproxy now?
Jun 15 07:55:48 <zinge> did you install the driver in xp mode?
Jun 15 07:56:09 <zinge> also learning what audioresample does and why I even need it
Jun 15 07:56:45 <jblebrun> zinge: are you in a debian chroot?
Jun 15 07:56:53 <zinge> nope
Jun 15 07:57:03 <jblebrun> where'd you install gstreamer from?
Jun 15 07:57:08 <zinge> wiped my pre, don't even have optware set up
Jun 15 07:57:10 <zinge> already on the phone
Jun 15 07:57:15 <jblebrun> oh, it is?
Jun 15 07:57:20 <zinge> used for camera work and youtube I think
Jun 15 07:57:23 <jblebrun> hah
Jun 15 07:57:25 <jblebrun> look at that
Jun 15 07:57:29 <zinge> possibly video and audio as well
Jun 15 07:57:38 <zinge> thats why I switched to gstreamer instead of vlc
Jun 15 07:57:41 <zinge> already installed for me
Jun 15 07:58:57 <justintevya_> i see no service in the services list that say palm. and no option of changing compatibility mode on the python script or the cmd.exe and i did install the driver in both compatibility settings of xp and win7, driver shows as good.
Jun 15 07:59:48 <justintevya_> also tried running pythin.exe in xp mode
Jun 15 07:59:51 <justintevya_> still no dice
Jun 15 07:59:57 <justintevya_> *python
Jun 15 08:00:08 <zinge> justintevya_: gimme a sec, lemme check the name of the service
Jun 15 08:00:26 <zinge> "Palm Novacom", running file: C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\x86\novacomd.exe
Jun 15 08:00:37 <zinge> do you have the program files\Palm, Inc directory?
Jun 15 08:02:54 <zinge> okay, if I try this: "gst-launch audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! alsasink" (sine tone test without audioresample pipe) it hangs
Jun 15 08:03:24 <zinge> hangs on  "New clock: GstAudioSinkClock"
Jun 15 08:03:52 <zinge> on stracing it, it seems to endlessly poll fd3 with gettimeofday
Jun 15 08:03:57 <zinge> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 11)    = 0
Jun 15 08:04:03 <zinge> gettimeofday({1245052765, 96832}, NULL) = 0
Jun 15 08:04:46 <zinge> since I have no idea what that means, I'm going back to the gstreamer documentation to figure out what audioresample is
Jun 15 08:06:11 <zinge> interesting... from their faq:
Jun 15 08:06:12 <zinge> Q: Is GStreamer X independent ?  A: Yes, we have no X dependency in any of our core modules. There are GStreamer applications that run fine without any need for X. However, until our Linux Framebuffer or libsvga plugin is ready, you will not be able to play videos without X. In the future, there will probably be lots of different output plugins for video avai
Jun 15 08:06:31 <zinge> Maybe its old... but we have no x. So how are they using gstreamer for video?
Jun 15 08:07:48 <zinge> justintevya_: do you have the program files\Palm, Inc directory?
Jun 15 08:08:56 <justintevya_> no, there seems to be a hang durring the install, the driver gets installed properly but the client in prog files doesn't get installed
Jun 15 08:09:36 <datafirm> are the palm:// api calls documented anywhere yet?
Jun 15 08:09:54 <zinge> somebody else was having this problem... don't remember how they solved it. Do you have an XP machine handy just to root it? (then you can ssh from anything)
Jun 15 08:09:59 <jblebrun> datafirm: I've had a lot of luck digging around the existing apps
Jun 15 08:10:05 <jblebrun> and also lune systemui
Jun 15 08:10:06 <jblebrun> luna
Jun 15 08:10:22 <justintevya_> i guess i could VM up an xp machine, a pain though, erg
Jun 15 08:10:23 <justintevya_> k
Jun 15 08:10:38 <datafirm> jblebrun: luna systemui is in /usr/lib/luna?
Jun 15 08:10:45 <jblebrun> But I haven't found a good centralized source for the available calls :(
Jun 15 08:10:51 <jblebrun> Is there some way to do introspection on dbus?
Jun 15 08:11:04 <datafirm> dbus?
Jun 15 08:11:04 <jblebrun> datafirm: ya -- you can figure out a lot about connectivity and power management in that one
Jun 15 08:11:30 <datafirm> jblebrun: nice.. thanks!
Jun 15 08:13:11 <zinge> hmm.. palm wrote their own video/audio decoder plugins for gstreamer, "palmvideodecoder" and "palmaudiodecoder"
Jun 15 08:13:27 <zinge> wonder what happens if I try those to play some wavs or mp3s? time to find out
Jun 15 08:14:08 <jblebrun> oooooo
Jun 15 08:14:31 <jblebrun> You can replace the dtmf sounds ;-)
Jun 15 08:15:07 <zinge> reading through available plugins on gstreamer website vs installed plugins on gst-launch on pre.. maybe audiorate is similar to the missing audioresample? have to check that
Jun 15 08:15:26 <zinge> jblebrun: does that just replace them on the phone or the ones that play through the system?
Jun 15 08:15:36 <jblebrun> zinge: My guess is both.
Jun 15 08:15:39 <zinge> or do they not really use dtmf tones anymore on cell phones?
Jun 15 08:15:46 <jblebrun> I don't think they use them on the network
Jun 15 08:15:49 <zinge> if its both... wouldn't that break touch tone support?
Jun 15 08:15:52 <jblebrun> but If you want to press 1 for more options
Jun 15 08:15:57 <zinge> yeah
Jun 15 08:15:58 <jblebrun> riht
Jun 15 08:16:21 <jblebrun> haha
Jun 15 08:16:34 <jblebrun> It makes me think of phreaking
Jun 15 08:16:40 <zinge> heh
Jun 15 08:17:47 <JohnPro> I have a general question.  If a cell phone (not only a pre) creates an Ad-Hoc network and has DHCP turned on... Would the user still have to enter the "proxy's" ip address into the device that would use the EVDO connection?
Jun 15 08:17:49 <zinge> okay, so audiosample resamples raw audio buffers.... why is it required? or does the gst-launch pipe convert to raw audio by that point?
Jun 15 08:18:26 <jblebrun> johnpro: I thought you were going to bed :-P
Jun 15 08:18:37 <JohnPro> Couldn't sleep
Jun 15 08:18:39 <pocek> zinge: just use playbin2 :)
Jun 15 08:18:44 <JohnPro> Too much work
Jun 15 08:18:44 <JohnPro> :-)
Jun 15 08:18:57 <jblebrun> Haha
Jun 15 08:19:03 <jblebrun> yeah I'm going to be hating life tomorrow
Jun 15 08:19:05 <zinge> Yes. DHCP turned on does not make it a DHCP server. But this might be getting a little too close to tether talk. I'd ask rwhitby.
Jun 15 08:19:05 <JohnPro> I thought you were going to as well :-)
Jun 15 08:19:23 <JohnPro> zinge: I am not only talking about a PRe
Jun 15 08:19:44 <zinge> I know, but this is a WebOS irc channel.
Jun 15 08:19:52 <JohnPro> I am simply asking if DHCP is on would one still need to enter the proxies IP Address manually?
Jun 15 08:19:58 <zinge> I could be wrong, just saying, I'd ask rwhitby if he happens to come on.
Jun 15 08:20:09 <JohnPro> Just a yes or no would do
Jun 15 08:20:09 <zinge> dhcp on does not make the phone a dhcp server.
Jun 15 08:20:13 <zinge> you'd need a server
Jun 15 08:20:15 <JohnPro> Okay
Jun 15 08:20:17 <JohnPro> Thank You
Jun 15 08:20:22 <JohnPro> :-)
Jun 15 08:20:46 <JohnPro> member:jblebrun, I thought you were going to go to sleep as well :-)
Jun 15 08:20:47 <pocek> zinge: could you run `gst-inspect palmvideodecoder/palmaudiodecoder` and tell us (people without the pre) what mime types these plugins can handle?
Jun 15 08:20:56 <zinge> sure, gimme a sec
Jun 15 08:21:20 <zinge> what is playbin2, btw? I tried playbin, but it was giving me the same problem with audioresample not being installed
Jun 15 08:21:31 <zinge> as you can see, I've never touched gstreamer before
Jun 15 08:21:36 <jblebrun> It seems that native-code plugins can define callback method names directly in controllers
Jun 15 08:22:03 <pocek> zinge: playbin2 is enhanced version of playbin and will replace it in the future
Jun 15 08:22:16 <jblebrun> I'm so over the Mojo SDK, when do we get the browser plugin SDK? ;-)
Jun 15 08:22:28 <jblebrun> (And I don't even have the Mojo SDK)
Jun 15 08:23:04 <JohnPro> I know we got the browser working as a terminal
Jun 15 08:23:09 <JohnPro> Any luck with a native terminal?
Jun 15 08:23:22 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 15 08:23:31 <JohnPro> Anyone working on it
Jun 15 08:23:35 <JohnPro> Or have people given up
Jun 15 08:23:36 <JohnPro> ?
Jun 15 08:23:37 <jblebrun> No. I don't think anyone's putting much effort into native code dev at the moment.
Jun 15 08:23:43 <zinge> ok. do you want the pastebin of the whole output of the gst-inspect? or just mime types? video does mpeg, h.263 and h.264
Jun 15 08:23:47 <rwhitby> JohnPro: No SDK :-(
Jun 15 08:24:05 <pocek> zinge: pastebin would be best
Jun 15 08:24:06 <JohnPro> rwhitby, I know.  But people still seem to be able to do so
Jun 15 08:24:08 <rwhitby> GUI apps are going to be few and far between until the public SDK comes.
Jun 15 08:24:17 <JohnPro> Like NES and DOOM
Jun 15 08:24:32 <zinge> pocek: video is here: http://webos.pastebin.com/mbb16765
Jun 15 08:24:34 <rwhitby> Those have been done by a Debian chroot directly writing the framebuffer.
Jun 15 08:24:46 <datafirm> where do apps logs js errors etc?
Jun 15 08:24:48 <rwhitby> i.e. completely blatting over webOS.
Jun 15 08:25:01 <datafirm> or do we need the Mojo debugging tools?
Jun 15 08:25:34 <JohnPro> Anyone have an ETA for Mojo?
Jun 15 08:25:35 <zinge> audio is here: http://webos.pastebin.com/m5964c53
Jun 15 08:25:39 <JohnPro> Kinda lame without it
Jun 15 08:26:00 <pocek> zinge: thanks
Jun 15 08:26:20 <jblebrun> I think in /var/log/messages
Jun 15 08:26:31 <JohnPro> What is the Mojo SDK ETA?
Jun 15 08:26:46 <zinge> rwhitby: sorry if I'm being *extra* paranoid, but are we cool with the ad-hoc dhcp convo? (sorry JohnPro, just really don't want to get anyone angry)
Jun 15 08:27:03 <JohnPro> Yeah I hope we are cool about it
Jun 15 08:27:09 <JohnPro> I do not see wy we wouldn't bw
Jun 15 08:27:11 <JohnPro> be
Jun 15 08:27:17 <JohnPro> It is not tethering
Jun 15 08:27:19 <jblebrun> zinge: I think we've already moved on from it :-)
Jun 15 08:27:21 <JohnPro> and not pre exclusive
Jun 15 08:27:22 <jblebrun> shhh ;-)
Jun 15 08:27:37 <zinge> jblebrun: yeah, yeah, I know
Jun 15 08:27:38 <JohnPro> well we could go back to it
Jun 15 08:27:44 <JohnPro> IF it is ok
Jun 15 08:27:46 <jblebrun> datafirm: yes, /var/log/messages
Jun 15 08:27:47 <JohnPro> ;-)
Jun 15 08:27:47 <zinge> like I said, being extra paranoid atm
Jun 15 08:27:49 <jblebrun> johnpro: nope :-)
Jun 15 08:27:53 <JohnPro> haha
Jun 15 08:27:54 <JohnPro> ok
Jun 15 08:27:57 <datafirm> jblebrun: confirmed..
Jun 15 08:27:58 <JohnPro> :-D
Jun 15 08:28:09 <analog1> i have some newbie questions i would like to ask someone in private if anyone is available
Jun 15 08:28:14 <rwhitby> zinge: JohnPro's original question talked about sharing an IP across an ad-hoc network and using an EVDO connection.  Either it's talking about tethering, or it's off-topic in a webos-internals channel :-)
Jun 15 08:28:17 <jblebrun> 2009-06-15T08:27:30.348212Z [15287] castle user.err LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS} Info: Your mom. First draw complete., file:///usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.pdfviewer/index.html:0
Jun 15 08:28:25 <jblebrun> You can tell I should be in bed
Jun 15 08:28:55 <JohnPro> rwhitby, Not Pre exclusive.  Was reading about tethering on a Crackberry and was curious. :-)
Jun 15 08:28:57 <rwhitby> zinge: so whilst nothing problematic was said, you were right to steer the conversation away from tethering.
Jun 15 08:28:59 <jblebrun> analog1: Are you going to ask me how well I got along with my mother as a child?
Jun 15 08:29:04 <zinge> I can try and help analog1; whats up
Jun 15 08:29:05 <jblebrun> I could use a therapist...
Jun 15 08:29:06 <zinge> ?
Jun 15 08:29:17 <rwhitby> JohnPro: fine - we'll point you to a crackberry IRC channel then :-)
Jun 15 08:29:20 <JohnPro> singe good call
Jun 15 08:29:27 <JohnPro> rwhitby, touche
Jun 15 08:29:29 <JohnPro> :-)
Jun 15 08:29:30 <jblebrun> johnpro: It's all very interesting, but this channel has a specific goal atm
Jun 15 08:29:37 <JohnPro> k
Jun 15 08:29:37 <analog1> jblebrun, it wasn't my first question but yeah :)
Jun 15 08:30:06 <JohnPro> So what's our new topic
Jun 15 08:30:21 <JohnPro> Hwo much the nascar app sucks? :-p
Jun 15 08:30:29 <jblebrun> I dunno, I hid it ;-)
Jun 15 08:30:33 <JohnPro> well done
Jun 15 08:30:46 <deepthoughtsoft> sweet! found a hidden streaming mp3 application and got it to work, had to unhide it first, then it is hardcoded to a url, but changing that didnt work, so i had to edit actual method where it runs manual specifying the target mp3 there, and it totaly worked! streamed the mp3
Jun 15 08:30:52 <deepthoughtsoft> com.palm.app.streamingmusicplayer
Jun 15 08:31:17 <zinge> is that being called from pandora?
Jun 15 08:31:32 <zinge> i.e. did you break pandora/amazon app by hardcoding things?
Jun 15 08:31:51 <JohnPro> What timezone r u guys in>
Jun 15 08:32:00 <datafirm> PST
Jun 15 08:32:03 <deepthoughtsoft> i will check
Jun 15 08:32:19 <deepthoughtsoft> nope pandora works still
Jun 15 08:32:49 <deepthoughtsoft> looked more like an unfinished app, there was some comments like , remove this before ships
Jun 15 08:33:07 <jblebrun> deepthoughtsoft: They're all over the place!
Jun 15 08:33:10 <zinge> ok, j/w
Jun 15 08:33:19 <jblebrun> <!--DONTSHIP--> :-)
Jun 15 08:33:25 <zinge> PST too.. I think
Jun 15 08:33:25 <deepthoughtsoft> lol
Jun 15 08:33:32 <zinge> moved here recently for the summer
Jun 15 08:34:10 <jblebrun> Any other San Franciscans in here?
Jun 15 08:34:19 <zinge> I'm only 6 hours away :-)
Jun 15 08:34:36 <zinge> btw, "Franciscans" makes you sound like a monk
Jun 15 08:35:36 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 15 08:35:44 <jblebrun> 6 hours away, so you're still in CA then
Jun 15 08:35:51 <jblebrun> or maybe Nevada
Jun 15 08:36:02 <zinge> still CA
Jun 15 08:36:04 <zinge> LA
Jun 15 08:36:30 <JohnPro> WOW
Jun 15 08:36:30 <zinge> Although I may be up by you at somepoint.. planning on trying to get to the Crucible Fire Arts Festival
Jun 15 08:36:32 <JohnPro> I am EST
Jun 15 08:36:34 <zinge> sounds pretty awesome
Jun 15 08:36:35 <JohnPro> It is almost 5 here
Jun 15 08:36:38 <JohnPro> Didn't sleep
Jun 15 08:36:40 <JohnPro> HAHA
Jun 15 08:36:45 <jblebrun> Johnpro: I was up till 5PST on Friday
Jun 15 08:36:46 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 15 08:36:57 <jblebrun> zinge: I don't know what that is *googles*
Jun 15 08:37:17 <JohnPro> Yeah I'm not big on sleep
Jun 15 08:37:17 <zinge> Know anything about Burning Man? Similar, except smaller, not in the desert, and only fire
Jun 15 08:37:36 <jblebrun> ahhh
Jun 15 08:37:40 <jblebrun> Burning Man lite, ok
Jun 15 08:37:51 <zinge> yeah
Jun 15 08:38:01 <zinge> Since I won't still be around here for burning man
Jun 15 08:38:07 <zinge> I'll be back at school in EST
Jun 15 08:38:52 <jblebrun> where do you go?
Jun 15 08:39:06 <zinge> Umiami. (Florida, not Ohio)
Jun 15 08:39:12 <zinge> pocek: you still here?
Jun 15 08:39:18 <zinge> needing some more gstreamer help
Jun 15 08:39:24 <jblebrun> LL
Jun 15 08:39:32 <jblebrun> there's a Umiami in OH?
Jun 15 08:39:37 <zinge> thatnks with the playbin2, btw. That seems to have fixed my audioresample problem
Jun 15 08:39:46 <zinge> Well, in Ohio, its MiamiU
Jun 15 08:40:14 <zinge> but people get confused
Jun 15 08:40:42 <zinge> pocek: Now I'm having the same problem as when I took audioresample out though; its hanging at New click: GetSystemClock
Jun 15 08:40:51 <jblebrun> are you ugrad there?
Jun 15 08:41:01 <zinge> clock* not click
Jun 15 08:41:06 <zinge> ya
Jun 15 08:41:45 <zinge> know anybody there?
Jun 15 08:41:58 <JohnPro> IDK if my internet works... anyone see this?
Jun 15 08:42:09 <datafirm> yes
Jun 15 08:42:15 <datafirm> JohnPro: ^^
Jun 15 08:42:17 <jblebrun> No
Jun 15 08:42:20 <jblebrun> I'm old
Jun 15 08:43:02 <zinge> fair enough
Jun 15 08:43:22 <jblebrun> I'm still 2? though :-)
Jun 15 08:43:25 <jblebrun> for a bit longer
Jun 15 08:43:36 <zinge> not all that old then
Jun 15 08:43:43 <jblebrun> naw
Jun 15 08:43:56 <pocek> zinge: Hmm.. dunno, maybe setting GST_DEBUG environment variable will give you some clue
Jun 15 08:44:13 <zinge> k
Jun 15 08:44:16 <jblebrun> When *I* was in undergrad,I was just trying get linux working on my desktop PC ;-)
Jun 15 08:44:40 <zinge> I just ran a linux vm on my laptop for classwork
Jun 15 08:45:41 <datafirm> i see references to console.info() were these devs using firebug, or does mojo SDK use the same method?
Jun 15 08:45:50 <jblebrun> I had to etch kernel modules into stone tablets when I was in undergrad
Jun 15 08:46:06 <jblebrun> datafirm: are they causing the app to fail?
Jun 15 08:46:12 <datafirm> no.
Jun 15 08:46:21 <jblebrun> Then they must be in webkit somewhere
Jun 15 08:46:51 <jblebrun> generally trying to apply a call to "undefined" will causes javascript to stop
Jun 15 08:48:59 <datafirm> yeah.. just trying to find a better way to debug this stuff.
Jun 15 08:49:38 <zinge> hey pocek, would it help any if I realized I mistyped the error and it was really GstSystemClock, not GetSystemClock?
Jun 15 08:49:40 <jblebrun> yeah, seriously Palm. Clearly it's time to release some docs and a debugger
Jun 15 08:50:01 <zinge> Does that explain anything, or should I keep googling around/try setting the DEBUg env
Jun 15 08:50:09 <jblebrun> This phone is going to be so ate up.
Jun 15 08:53:07 <pocek> zinge: Sorry, I don't know gstreamer that well, I usually also have problems writing gst pipes which work. BTW, people on #gstreamer tend to be friendly and helpful
Jun 15 08:54:52 <zinge> okay, thanks
Jun 15 08:56:22 <jblebrun> zinge: what year are you?
Jun 15 08:57:16 <zinge> going into senior year
Jun 15 08:57:40 <zinge> I'm one of the young'uns here, although apparently there are at least 3 or 4 others younger
Jun 15 08:57:57 <zinge> but CS is my second major. My main focus is video/film
Jun 15 08:57:59 <jblebrun> are you going to grad school?
Jun 15 08:58:03 <zinge> nope
Jun 15 08:58:07 <zinge> no chance
Jun 15 08:58:11 <jblebrun> really?
Jun 15 08:58:20 <zinge> money + its not needed for what I want to get into in film
Jun 15 08:58:24 <zinge> it might help, but not necessary
Jun 15 08:58:32 <jblebrun> well, fine
Jun 15 08:58:33 <jblebrun> I hate you
Jun 15 08:58:34 <jblebrun> ;-)
Jun 15 08:59:06 <zinge> heh, lol
Jun 15 08:59:58 <zinge> I'm into vfx, editing, and cgi animation stuff, so while grad school might help, its not necessary, and usually teaches more of the tech side, which I have no trouble with
Jun 15 09:00:16 <zinge> I'm a techie dabbling in the creative stuff, as opposed to the other way around for most people
Jun 15 09:00:29 <zinge> and this channel if waaaay off topic :-)
Jun 15 09:00:36 <zinge> back to trying to get gstreamer to like me
Jun 15 09:00:45 <jblebrun> Well
Jun 15 09:01:03 <jblebrun> you should probably go to grad school ;-)
Jun 15 09:01:17 <zinge> wanna pay for it ;-)?
Jun 15 09:01:26 <jblebrun> If you find the right school, they'll pay for it
Jun 15 09:02:28 <jblebrun> You need to work it, dude
Jun 15 09:05:24 <analog1> any windows users?
Jun 15 09:05:38 <zinge> ya
Jun 15 09:05:41 <zinge> What's up?
Jun 15 09:07:37 <jblebrun>  ok wow it's so time for bed like 3 hours ago
Jun 15 09:08:21 <zinge> happy I don't start work till next week
Jun 15 09:08:35 <zinge> another week of time travel hacking
Jun 15 09:08:39 <zinge> (prehacking)
Jun 15 09:08:43 <zinge> bad joke, ignore that
Jun 15 09:09:39 <jblebrun> yeah, that was pretty bad.... ;-)
Jun 15 09:13:39 <zinge> so, eventually I will get around to asking the fun people on #gstreamer, but if anyone happens to come on that knows anything about it, wanna help me out?
Jun 15 09:13:56 <jblebrun> I'm a gstreamer-tard, sorry.
Jun 15 09:14:31 <zinge> getting a "New Clock: GstSystemClock" error with anything that should be working, such as playbin2 on an mp3, or just trying to run the sine wave test throgh alsasink
Jun 15 09:14:40 <zinge> just for the room, in case anyone logged in that knows these things
Jun 15 09:15:09 <jblebrun> There's always the source code..
Jun 15 09:16:35 <zinge> I can print it out and use it as wallpaper? :-) I'll get there eventually.... I figure asking around might help more then digging through things atm, since its not an unknown program
Jun 15 09:17:20 <JohnPro> I see bypassing activation to use outside the US
Jun 15 09:17:33 <JohnPro> Would that mean I could use it on verizon in the US?
Jun 15 09:19:11 <jblebrun> gnight, guys
Jun 15 09:19:17 <jblebrun> and gals, if applicable
Jun 15 09:19:18 <JohnPro> night
Jun 15 09:19:32 <zinge> gnite jblebrun, thanks for the advice
Jun 15 09:24:10 <tmzt> JohnPro: no, this is for using it as a pda and with wifi
Jun 15 09:25:00 <tmzt> unless you have spc and verizon allows you to use a device with Sprint esn on their network you can't
Jun 15 09:25:10 <tmzt> the radio is compatible though
Jun 15 09:25:39 <deepthoughtsoft> cool was able to make my a hellow world app, with icon launched from the app launcher
Jun 15 09:26:10 <zinge> Nice deepthoughtsoft
Jun 15 09:27:07 <deepthoughtsoft> think i have some of the app structure figured out, going to try and write a simple game tomorrow, getting way to late tonight
Jun 15 09:27:55 <zinge> agreed
Jun 15 09:31:42 <oc80z> hi again
Jun 15 09:32:00 <tmzt> hello
Jun 15 09:32:55 <zinge> hi
Jun 15 09:33:08 <oc80z> jusd toord the pre.
Jun 15 09:34:01 <oc80z> and sshd it up
Jun 15 09:34:26 <oc80z> anyone see that playstation/bluetooth controler + Pre youtube?
Jun 15 09:34:28 <zinge> ? like tor? or is toord something else?
Jun 15 09:34:29 <oc80z> he's funny.
Jun 15 09:34:38 <oc80z> Toor'd is root'd
Jun 15 09:34:45 <tmzt> ps3?
Jun 15 09:34:59 <oc80z> playstation original emulator
Jun 15 09:35:08 <tmzt> using hidd?
Jun 15 09:35:18 <zinge> bah, I felt like I was almost getting somewhere with gstreamer.... oh well. stuck again, going to bed. have fun hacking, friends. say hi to the sun for me in EST.
Jun 15 09:35:21 <tmzt> yeah, which bluetooth controller?
Jun 15 09:35:58 <zinge> the fake one? or is this something else?
Jun 15 09:36:02 <oc80z> not sure
Jun 15 09:36:08 <oc80z> what the control was
Jun 15 09:36:25 <tmzt> without gl library most of the games/emulators are not really going to be usable, not even close to what the pre can do
Jun 15 09:36:27 <oc80z> which fake one? Nah looked very legit
Jun 15 09:36:34 <oc80z> it had atleast 40fps
Jun 15 09:36:42 <oc80z> may be wasetn emulating?
Jun 15 09:37:07 <zinge> someone mentioned something earlier about someone faking a ps emulator by just playing a video putting it up on youtube as an emulator
Jun 15 09:37:11 <tmzt> or the cortex is just that fast I guess
Jun 15 09:37:14 <zinge> haven't seen the video yet though, so I don't know for sure
Jun 15 09:37:23 <oc80z> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXKY-xQ9jqU
Jun 15 09:37:34 <oc80z> its w/ sound too :]
Jun 15 09:37:57 <zinge> super slow cable... gimme a sec to load it
Jun 15 09:38:26 <oc80z> likewise.. DSL :X
Jun 15 09:38:33 <oc80z> @home is nice 50mbit :D
Jun 15 09:39:56 <zinge> this is home; but I'm staying with older cousins for the summer who don;t use their internet and cant be bothered to upgrade
Jun 15 09:40:12 <zinge> stupid video won't buffer
Jun 15 09:41:05 <oc80z> yeah same here.
Jun 15 09:41:06 <zinge> after the first 24 secs: does he have ljp running on there or something? where did he get all those emulators hes mentioning?
Jun 15 09:41:09 <oc80z> NET NEUTRALITY
Jun 15 09:41:42 <oc80z> In effect... Hey, i cant SSH back in after after verified over the tubes w/ -i eth0 rm'd
Jun 15 09:41:46 <oc80z> (after reboot)
Jun 15 09:41:56 <tmzt> what?
Jun 15 09:42:03 <zinge> huh?
Jun 15 09:42:06 <tmzt> iptables?
Jun 15 09:42:15 <oc80z> oh nice
Jun 15 09:42:30 <oc80z> yeah thats in the config
Jun 15 09:44:08 <zinge> btw, pocek: guys in gstreamer channel say it shouldn't be GstSystemClock, it should be GstAudioSinkClock. That mean anything to you?
Jun 15 09:45:06 <oc80z> oh nice, wahts up zinge
Jun 15 09:45:38 <zinge> oc80z: you know anything about gstreamer?
Jun 15 09:45:46 <oc80z> i see its alsa
Jun 15 09:46:34 <zinge> this "gst-launch audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! alsasink" should play me a sine wave test tone
Jun 15 09:46:45 <tmzt> zinge: all I know is it's based on how quickly a buffer fills, and with hrt gettimeofday on linux might be better
Jun 15 09:47:00 <tmzt> what are you doing? native media player?
Jun 15 09:47:06 <zinge> instead, it hangs on "New Clock: GstSystemClock"
Jun 15 09:47:25 <oc80z> neat
Jun 15 09:47:27 <zinge> ultimate goal? streaming mic and cam over evdo as a wireless webcam anywhere I can get a cell signal
Jun 15 09:47:30 <tmzt> strace?
Jun 15 09:47:37 <tmzt> oh yeah
Jun 15 09:47:41 <tmzt> I remeber now
Jun 15 09:47:43 <zinge> already found cam as src in gstreamer, and mic is standard audio device since I can arecord from it
Jun 15 09:47:48 <oc80z> strace eek
Jun 15 09:48:37 <oc80z> heavy debuging right there
Jun 15 09:48:39 <zinge> I did strace the gst-launch command... gives me a consistant stream of poll and timeofday stuff
Jun 15 09:48:46 <zinge> I can go find the copy/paste if you want it
Jun 15 09:49:01 <oc80z> i guess we should all look it over on a pastebin
Jun 15 09:49:15 <oc80z> no?
Jun 15 09:49:21 <tmzt> no, just wondered if a ioctl/gtod was failing on omap3 for some reason
Jun 15 09:50:26 <zinge> I asked what that hang meant over in the gstreamer channel, and was told it should be GstAudioSinkClock
Jun 15 09:50:47 <zinge> not really sure where to go from here
Jun 15 09:50:54 <tmzt> you didn't change their code though
Jun 15 09:50:58 <zinge> nope
Jun 15 09:51:04 <tmzt> just used a pipeline
Jun 15 09:51:08 <zinge> came pre-installed
Jun 15 09:51:10 <zinge> correct
Jun 15 09:51:17 <zinge> used their pipeline from the faq, actually
Jun 15 09:51:34 <zinge> took out audioresample, since the plugin isn't isntalled
Jun 15 09:51:41 <zinge> but playbin2 doesn't need it
Jun 15 09:51:45 <zinge> so it should work without it
Jun 15 09:51:50 <tmzt> oh
Jun 15 09:51:57 <tmzt> use pulsesink
Jun 15 09:51:59 <tmzt> pasink
Jun 15 09:52:06 <zinge> instead of alsasink?
Jun 15 09:52:08 <zinge> ok
Jun 15 09:52:17 <tmzt> close your ears
Jun 15 09:52:17 <zinge> gimme a sec to reconnect, I unplugged it to go to bed :-)
Jun 15 09:52:58 <zinge> heh, ok
Jun 15 09:53:12 <zinge> btw, oc80z: that video is bs
Jun 15 09:53:16 <tmzt> for anyone testing a sdl program try with padsp
Jun 15 09:53:43 <oc80z> zinge: i hope it shatters my boys n97 dreams... anyways, whats teh pipe vorb?
Jun 15 09:53:53 <zinge> he can only do it in landscape more cause he doesnt know how to convert the video to play it in portrait :-)
Jun 15 09:54:09 <tmzt> oc80z: n97? is that omap3 based also?
Jun 15 09:54:13 <zinge> i could be wrong... but I'll check his site
Jun 15 09:54:36 <oc80z> eek , dunno.
Jun 15 09:56:12 <zinge> tmzt... how loud is the sine test on pasink? (as in, am I gonna wake the people next room over that I live with?)
Jun 15 09:56:57 <tmzt> you should be able to lower the volume with alsamixer or probably the volume control
Jun 15 09:57:07 <zinge> danke
Jun 15 09:57:08 <tmzt> not sure what that does though
Jun 15 09:57:41 <zinge> I'll find out
Jun 15 09:58:51 <zinge> there is no pasink
Jun 15 09:58:57 <zinge> dun dun duh!!!
Jun 15 09:59:02 <zinge> not in gst-inspect
Jun 15 09:59:17 <tmzt> pulsesink?
Jun 15 09:59:24 <tmzt> is it installed?
Jun 15 09:59:32 <zinge> nope
Jun 15 09:59:48 <zinge> using alsasink because its already isntalled
Jun 15 09:59:57 <zinge> trying to stick with whats on there
Jun 15 09:59:58 <tmzt> ok, check .asoundrc
Jun 15 10:00:19 <zinge> where?
Jun 15 10:00:36 <tmzt> $HOME
Jun 15 10:00:57 <tmzt> also, /usr/lib/alsa
Jun 15 10:01:05 <zinge> doesn't exit in root's home
Jun 15 10:02:06 <tmzt> also, /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound*
Jun 15 10:02:15 <tmzt> aplay works?
Jun 15 10:02:31 <zinge> aplay and arecord both work fine
Jun 15 10:02:36 <zinge> (only on wavs)
Jun 15 10:02:42 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 10:02:55 <zinge> libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so  and  libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
Jun 15 10:03:04 <tmzt> pulse must be correctly freeing the device, so that's not it
Jun 15 10:03:08 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 10:03:55 <zinge> hmm.... thats new
Jun 15 10:04:11 <zinge> now I'm getting it to hang on New clock: GstAudioSinkClock
Jun 15 10:04:13 <tmzt> add -v to launch
Jun 15 10:04:16 <zinge> so at least thats right now
Jun 15 10:04:52 <zinge> with -v still hangs in the same place with no more info ther... doesn't help too much
Jun 15 10:05:20 <tmzt> very strange
Jun 15 10:05:28 <zinge> prerolls pipeline, gets to setting pipeline to play
Jun 15 10:05:30 <zinge> and hangs on that line
Jun 15 10:05:38 <tmzt> did strace tell you where it hung?
Jun 15 10:05:41 <tmzt> on poll?
Jun 15 10:05:54 <zinge> weeee!
Jun 15 10:06:00 <zinge> poll, and gettimeofday
Jun 15 10:06:07 <zinge> streaming by...
Jun 15 10:06:15 <zinge>  poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 47)    = 0 gettimeofday({1245060367, 396209}, NULL) = 0 gettimeofday({1245060367, 396942}, NULL) = 0
Jun 15 10:07:49 <zinge> I'm bascially stuck at this point; since I can't even get the sample ton eto play correctly.
Jun 15 10:08:07 <tmzt> what is fd3?
Jun 15 10:08:17 <zinge> If I can't figure this out, my other option is to skip testing gstreamer and move straight to try to feed the mic or cam to a stream
Jun 15 10:08:18 <zinge> hmm
Jun 15 10:08:18 <tmzt> ls -lh /proc/pid
Jun 15 10:08:24 <zinge> don't know
Jun 15 10:08:47 <zinge> no /proc/pid
Jun 15 10:08:55 <oc80z> replace pid with the #
Jun 15 10:08:59 <oc80z> :/ u know that
Jun 15 10:09:03 <zinge> doh
Jun 15 10:09:10 <oc80z> HEY did i tell you how much of a kickass job your doing.
Jun 15 10:09:17 <oc80z> you kan doo eeet!
Jun 15 10:09:19 <zinge> sorry, I'm just copy pastaing without looking at things
Jun 15 10:09:22 <tmzt> you might try gstream with python or something more powerful than launch, but get this working first
Jun 15 10:09:22 <oc80z> its late
Jun 15 10:09:23 <zinge> lol
Jun 15 10:10:15 <tmzt> got it?
Jun 15 10:10:43 <zinge> this may sound dumb... but what PID am I putting in there?
Jun 15 10:10:57 * oc80z bartisto's zinge a ventie java double nowhip soy carmel alsa pipe stream with room
Jun 15 10:11:01 <tmzt> the gst-launch process
Jun 15 10:12:59 <zinge> fd is not a running process
Jun 15 10:12:59 <zinge> ps -ef | grep fd returns nothing but the grep
Jun 15 10:13:15 <mib_vo67mq> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGwye3mx3E
Jun 15 10:13:46 <zinge> umm... I have to kill gst-launch to get back to a shell prompt
Jun 15 10:13:53 <tmzt> huh?
Jun 15 10:13:57 <zinge> can't open 2 connections over novaproxy
Jun 15 10:14:00 <tmzt> ctrl-z
Jun 15 10:14:18 <tmzt> ps aux |grep gst
Jun 15 10:14:38 <zinge> yeah, thanks. I really am not remembering my linux tonight
Jun 15 10:14:44 <tmzt> fd is file descriptor
Jun 15 10:15:31 <zinge> okay, got the ls -lh /proc/7323
Jun 15 10:15:37 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 10:15:48 <tmzt> do you see a fd dir?
Jun 15 10:15:54 <tmzt> ls -lh that
Jun 15 10:15:54 <zinge> ya
Jun 15 10:16:17 <zinge> k
Jun 15 10:16:25 <zinge> 3 is -> pipe:[13823]
Jun 15 10:16:30 <tmzt> great
Jun 15 10:16:41 <zinge> and so is 4
Jun 15 10:16:45 <tmzt> you need to do one of two things
Jun 15 10:16:50 <tmzt> strace -ff
Jun 15 10:17:08 <tmzt> or find what process that pipe belongs to, maybe lsof will work
Jun 15 10:17:41 <tmzt> I think it's waiting on a different thread of the gst process
Jun 15 10:18:36 <zinge> ok
Jun 15 10:18:55 <oc80z> whacha debuing now
Jun 15 10:19:01 <zinge> lsof doesn't seem to be isntalled
Jun 15 10:19:02 <oc80z> im wicked slick with the un X
Jun 15 10:19:10 <zinge> unless 'm doing something dumb again
Jun 15 10:19:33 <oc80z> u can ps -aux | more
Jun 15 10:19:45 <tmzt> less
Jun 15 10:20:05 <tmzt> we need the open files
Jun 15 10:20:22 <oc80z> ps -aux | grep filename
Jun 15 10:20:43 <tmzt> how will that work?
Jun 15 10:21:06 <oc80z> Ohk
Jun 15 10:21:13 <oc80z> ie: /dev/ stuff?
Jun 15 10:21:36 <tmzt> no
Jun 15 10:23:07 <joshua> pstree or ps axf will let you see the parent process, i don't know if thats what you need
Jun 15 10:24:28 <tmzt> how do you dereference pipes?
Jun 15 10:24:41 <tmzt> I tink you mean -ef
Jun 15 10:24:53 <oc80z> -A (-e) will open all files
Jun 15 10:24:58 <oc80z> ER prinf all files.
Jun 15 10:25:16 <zinge> once you guys figure it out, let me know :-) I'm back to not knowing whats going on
Jun 15 10:25:20 * oc80z showin off new palm to coworker :D
Jun 15 10:25:34 <oc80z> what are we searching for?
Jun 15 10:25:46 <oc80z> like modprobe stuff?
Jun 15 10:25:52 <tmzt> option to what?
Jun 15 10:26:00 <tmzt> the other end of a pipe
Jun 15 10:26:31 <tmzt> zinge: strace -ff
Jun 15 10:26:47 <tmzt> it must be hanging on another thread
Jun 15 10:26:57 <zinge> k
Jun 15 10:28:00 <zinge> getting a whole lot of this: http://webos.pastebin.com/m8715817
Jun 15 10:28:30 <zinge> until I kill it and get the process detached's at the end
Jun 15 10:28:56 <zinge> hmm... if I listen close to my pre its making clicking sounds
Jun 15 10:29:12 <zinge> thats not necessarily a good thing
Jun 15 10:29:23 <tmzt> it never stops?
Jun 15 10:29:29 <tmzt> starce
Jun 15 10:29:43 * oc80z in and out
Jun 15 10:29:49 <zinge> starce?
Jun 15 10:29:57 <oc80z> strace
Jun 15 10:30:00 <oc80z> :]
Jun 15 10:31:13 <tmzt> starce never stops?
Jun 15 10:31:19 <tmzt> strace
Jun 15 10:31:20 <zinge> sonova... i should get a real irc client already
Jun 15 10:31:22 <zinge> correct
Jun 15 10:31:22 <zinge> http://webos.pastebin.com/m5b47e2b8
Jun 15 10:32:17 <tmzt> it shouldn't stop
Jun 15 10:32:28 <zinge> it doesnt stop until I kill it
Jun 15 10:32:34 <tmzt> since the test pipeline keeps going
Jun 15 10:32:45 <tmzt> right
Jun 15 10:32:55 <zinge> is it working then?
Jun 15 10:32:57 <tmzt> that means it's working in a way
Jun 15 10:33:08 <zinge> I'm just not hearing a whole lot...
Jun 15 10:33:20 <tmzt> those weren't errors before?
Jun 15 10:33:21 <zinge> could be cause I'm missing the audioresample?
Jun 15 10:33:22 <oc80z> i cant wait to start compiling on the pre
Jun 15 10:33:38 <zinge> not really errors, just hanging
Jun 15 10:33:43 <zinge> or playing, I guess?
Jun 15 10:33:47 <zinge> I'm not hearing anything
Jun 15 10:34:57 <zinge> my pre started quietly hissing static....
Jun 15 10:35:07 <zinge> I just rebooted, don't think that was doing good things to the speaker
Jun 15 10:35:11 <tmzt> bad pcm
Jun 15 10:35:37 <tmzt> no, it just means the amplifier is on without the codec setup right
Jun 15 10:35:40 <tmzt> or clocks
Jun 15 10:35:52 <tmzt> but it's odd that would happen on pre
Jun 15 10:36:06 <zinge> I think I'm done for the night, gotta wake up eventually
Jun 15 10:36:12 <zinge> thanks for all the help though
Jun 15 10:36:41 * oc80z in and out
Jun 15 10:36:54 <oc80z> i'll follow you tomorow more indepth once im at my usuall desk....
Jun 15 10:37:43 <zinge> g'nite guys, thanks
Jun 15 10:38:01 <tmzt> aplay and paplay worked, the routing is still worng, makes no sense
Jun 15 10:38:04 <tmzt> goodnight
Jun 15 10:39:16 <oc80z> hrm
Jun 15 10:39:27 <oc80z> zinge will be dreaming of code tonight
Jun 15 10:39:53 <oc80z> interesting he is stuck in a mibbit window.. we should donate him a linux shell account :]
Jun 15 10:54:55 <oc80z> tmzt!
Jun 15 10:55:00 <oc80z> wahts hood?
Jun 15 10:55:01 <oc80z> :P
Jun 15 10:55:05 <oc80z> blau-mikeDG hey
Jun 15 10:55:41 <blau-mikeDG> hi
Jun 15 10:55:55 <blau-mikeDG> whats shaking
Jun 15 10:56:35 <oc80z> nada , weak attempt to debug stuff half asleep, now,
Jun 15 10:57:20 <blau-mikeDG> was the sdk released?
Jun 15 10:57:33 <blau-mikeDG> or did i just never notie the topic telling us to discuss it in #webos
Jun 15 10:58:07 <oc80z> Legit discussion about webOS internals. Use #webos for application/sdk discussions. Public logs at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ - Palm monitors these. Honor all NDAs, licenses, carrier agreements and Palm code copyrights when speaking here. No discussion of tethering please. Otherwise please go to efnet/#webosdev. Wiki at http://predev.wikidot.com/ - Pastebin http://webos.pastebin.com/
Jun 15 10:58:25 <oc80z> :D
Jun 15 10:59:02 <oc80z> bbl
Jun 15 11:07:12 <blau-mikeDG> so has anyone found the, presumably, alpha channel for the rounded corners of each app?
Jun 15 11:07:59 <tmzt> directfb or similar? I would be interested in the compositor
Jun 15 11:08:41 <blau-mikeDG> as pretty as rounded corners look, i'd prefer the screen real estate
Jun 15 11:09:08 <blau-mikeDG> especially since it looks ugly as hell since i changed my status bar to grey
Jun 15 11:43:21 * bdumm yawns
Jun 15 11:43:24 <bdumm> any new news?
Jun 15 11:43:43 <bdumm> bpadalino, any progress on driver?
Jun 15 11:45:51 <blau-mikeDG> :/
Jun 15 11:56:50 <blau-mikeDG> gonna try working on swipes to go forward or backward in email!
Jun 15 11:57:09 <blau-mikeDG> even though i should be working shhhhh or help me find a mobile job :)
Jun 15 12:02:43 <bdumm> lol, fsck work
Jun 15 12:02:44 <bdumm> :)
Jun 15 12:03:12 <bdumm> do you have any of your changes to the code posted?
Jun 15 12:05:09 <oc80z> what are you trying to change
Jun 15 12:06:09 <oc80z> i am going to change some things
Jun 15 12:06:19 <oc80z> since i am on my desktop now
Jun 15 12:06:44 <blau-mikeDG> bdumm: on the wiki
Jun 15 12:07:03 <blau-mikeDG> i put up the message history opens in new cards
Jun 15 12:07:12 <blau-mikeDG> and menus that respond to drags
Jun 15 12:07:49 <oc80z> i digg the divine linux hacking and webos programming groups here.
Jun 15 12:07:52 <bdumm> ah i have those opened, just haven't gotten to them yet vs other tech news :)
Jun 15 12:07:59 <oc80z> both equally divine :D
Jun 15 12:08:10 <blau-mikeDG> swipe to go back and forth loos like too much effort without an sdk or quick means of testing
Jun 15 12:08:23 <blau-mikeDG> ill work on making delete goto the next message instead
Jun 15 12:08:34 <bdumm> is there a shake gesture for the pre? anything use it?
Jun 15 12:08:37 <blau-mikeDG> i have no network here so no easy way to test changes
Jun 15 12:08:45 <en0x> hmm
Jun 15 12:08:51 <en0x> it looks like the browser has a bug
Jun 15 12:09:17 <blau-mikeDG> found a lot of info about widgets in the comments in \usr\palm\frameworks\mojo\submissions\175.7\javascripts
Jun 15 12:09:18 <en0x> when you have a link on a website like 06.09.2009 it will open a caller and dial this number rather then opening the link
Jun 15 12:09:38 <bdumm> nice en0x
Jun 15 12:09:39 <blau-mikeDG> en0x: nice, fix it :)
Jun 15 12:10:01 <en0x> i didn't rooted my pre
Jun 15 12:10:09 <blau-mikeDG> j/k, i think theres a place to file bugs for palm
Jun 15 12:10:20 <blau-mikeDG> if this was #android, you'd be told to fix it cause its open source
Jun 15 12:10:21 <en0x> their place to file bugs is a joke
Jun 15 12:10:22 <en0x> :)
Jun 15 12:10:23 <blau-mikeDG> sigh
Jun 15 12:11:18 <blau-mikeDG> can we make our own docs agains tthe javascript files?
Jun 15 12:11:35 <blau-mikeDG> is it just javadoc stuff? i dont work with js at all so I dont really know
Jun 15 12:12:19 * bdumm still waiting for a wikidot account confirmation............
Jun 15 12:13:38 <en0x> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&thread.id=443 lol check out the fix suggestion list
Jun 15 12:13:41 <en0x> :0
Jun 15 12:14:36 <oc80z> memory is not even in there.
Jun 15 12:15:04 * bdumm patpats oc80z
Jun 15 12:15:07 <bdumm> no respect huh
Jun 15 12:15:13 <blau-mikeDG> memory?
Jun 15 12:15:23 <bdumm> all they want is exchange stuffs
Jun 15 12:15:40 <oc80z> ;_;
Jun 15 12:15:56 <blau-mikeDG> i think they have text forwarding a few times
Jun 15 12:15:57 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 12:16:06 <blau-mikeDG> D-Pad? :(
Jun 15 12:16:35 <oc80z> ..you know why its so beta
Jun 15 12:16:50 <oc80z> for when the coders creat somthing better than palm, they get hired.,
Jun 15 12:17:02 <blau-mikeDG> :)
Jun 15 12:18:03 <oc80z> i would like to install openvpn support >:D
Jun 15 12:19:59 <oc80z> ..ntfs mod in the kernel?
Jun 15 12:20:36 <oc80z> i havent really looked at nova that hard
Jun 15 12:20:47 <oc80z> (talk type that loud right now heh)
Jun 15 12:23:18 <oc80z> Jun 11 04:58:13 <Patrick_R_NBR> mount -o ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/Windows?
Jun 15 12:28:09 <oc80z> yea right
Jun 15 12:29:06 <oc80z> thats some via mac
Jun 15 12:31:32 <tmzt> ntfs?
Jun 15 12:33:57 <vlaurenz> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
Jun 15 12:38:32 <oc80z> hmm is that not just mac only
Jun 15 12:38:56 <oc80z> may be i just looked at the darwin platform mod.
Jun 15 12:39:35 <oc80z> wow, its -very- open :P
Jun 15 12:42:54 <bpadalino> bdumm: i pushed my stuff i have up to github .
Jun 15 12:43:00 <bpadalino> so anyone can help out or watch it
Jun 15 12:43:33 <bpadalino> bdumm: http://github.com/bpadalino/precomd/tree/master is where i put it ...
Jun 15 12:46:19 <bpadalino> depending on how busy i am at work .. i think i will just try to document the structures and the communication that happens for both ubl and pmux
Jun 15 12:52:27 <oc80z> +-(root@pre)->
Jun 15 12:52:27 <oc80z> +-(/var/home/box)--> #
Jun 15 12:52:33 <oc80z> unf. heh
Jun 15 12:55:21 <oc80z> you would replace the old with this
Jun 15 12:55:23 <blau-mikeDG> hey guys did anyone try http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods the new cards mod?
Jun 15 12:55:25 <oc80z> PS1='\n\[\e[1;30m\]\[\033)0\016\]\[\]lq\[\017\033(B\](\[\e[1;37m\]\u@pre)\->\n\[\033)0\016\]\[\]mq\[\017\033(B\](\[\e[0;1m\]\w\[\e[1;30m\])--> \[\e[0m\]\$ '
Jun 15 12:55:33 <blau-mikeDG> i feel like somethign was added or i accidentlaly put extra code in there :)
Jun 15 12:57:09 <oc80z> ill check it
Jun 15 12:57:25 <oc80z> er..
Jun 15 12:57:38 <oc80z> i have no q on here
Jun 15 12:57:42 <blau-mikeDG> and since it was moved, it lost revision history
Jun 15 12:57:47 <blau-mikeDG> so i cant see what i actually posted
Jun 15 12:57:56 <blau-mikeDG>   clearListBadgeForChatThreadId: function(chatThreadId) {
Jun 15 12:57:56 <blau-mikeDG>  looks extraneous to me
Jun 15 12:58:41 <blau-mikeDG> im almost positive it is, im gonna delete it
Jun 15 13:00:42 <DDBKA> !list
Jun 15 13:00:43 <Optimo> I syndicate the following:
Jun 15 13:00:43 <Optimo> iPodTVNova_Movies iPodTVNova_Television
Jun 15 13:01:49 <bdumm> bpadalino: groovy thx, I'll see what I can do while I'm workin today....
Jun 15 13:02:03 <flash67> so whats the latest news... where is everyone at
Jun 15 13:05:15 <bdumm> flash67, home lol
Jun 15 13:05:16 <blau-mikeDG> everyone is still bitching about not having the SDK :)
Jun 15 13:05:29 <oc80z> well
Jun 15 13:05:38 <oc80z> is that bad thing?
Jun 15 13:05:39 <blau-mikeDG> they should at least release the sdk to a few cool people in here or from the wiki :)
Jun 15 13:05:45 <oc80z> hmph
Jun 15 13:05:49 <bdumm> i thought the word was "soon" and "no idea why it isn't released" or something like that?
Jun 15 13:05:54 <blau-mikeDG> it would go nicely towards customer relations
Jun 15 13:06:00 <oc80z> use #webos
Jun 15 13:06:04 <oc80z> for sdk disc.
Jun 15 13:06:21 <blau-mikeDG> bdumm: real sdk discussion is still under nda i thought
Jun 15 13:06:25 <bdumm> blau-mikeDG, nah just release it, i know other devels who are not here/wiki and have applied but no word from palm....
Jun 15 13:06:28 <blau-mikeDG> sdk bitching should be allowed anywhere :(
Jun 15 13:06:31 <oc80z> theres nothing we can do but comply for now, same went for danger inc. (sidekick2)
Jun 15 13:06:55 <blau-mikeDG> it was easier for me to get into sidekick dev program than it has for palm
Jun 15 13:07:18 <oc80z> it sure was.
Jun 15 13:07:34 <flash67> someones just needs to present a pretty application to Palm for the SDK
Jun 15 13:07:34 <oc80z> for now,
Jun 15 13:07:37 <flash67> im sure somoene here can do it
Jun 15 13:07:38 <flash67> lol
Jun 15 13:07:38 <oc80z> we should be hacking the OS
Jun 15 13:07:39 <oc80z> !!!!
Jun 15 13:07:48 <oc80z> no flash
Jun 15 13:07:50 <flash67> cant do that without the sdk
Jun 15 13:07:52 <oc80z> thats not how it works
Jun 15 13:07:57 <flash67> ?
Jun 15 13:08:07 <flash67> application as in not a program
Jun 15 13:08:10 <blau-mikeDG> im having horrible horrible issues tyrign to debug without the sdk
Jun 15 13:08:18 <blau-mikeDG> it appears app js is cached
Jun 15 13:08:20 <blau-mikeDG> but not app html
Jun 15 13:08:21 <flash67> an application as a description of what they want to do with the SDK
Jun 15 13:08:24 <oc80z> HEH
Jun 15 13:08:33 <blau-mikeDG> if i modify html it changes immediately upon rerunning the app
Jun 15 13:08:41 <blau-mikeDG> if i change the js, i have to kill lunasysmgr
Jun 15 13:08:59 <blau-mikeDG> not sure if anyone discovered a solution for that yet
Jun 15 13:10:13 <vlaurenz> will lunasysmgr accept any signals (SIGHUP?) to reread the js?
Jun 15 13:10:15 <oc80z> um
Jun 15 13:10:22 <oc80z> /etc/palm/browser.conf?
Jun 15 13:11:06 <jwsh> If you wanna give palm the benefit of the doubt, they're actually listening to the feedback of the beta developers and making core changes to the SDK, and they don't want to release the SDK until they've made those changes
Jun 15 13:11:34 <jwsh> (I just made that up, but it would be a good reason)
Jun 15 13:11:44 <blau-mikeDG> they also probably dont want the android issue, where they tell develoeprs not tto do something
Jun 15 13:11:50 <blau-mikeDG> hen developers release something that does that and it breaks with the next update
Jun 15 13:12:04 <jwsh> the thing that frustrates me (and I'm guessing pretty much everyone else) is the lack of clear communication
Jun 15 13:12:16 <blau-mikeDG> yeah i agree
Jun 15 13:12:22 <blau-mikeDG> same thing with the real reviewers
Jun 15 13:12:23 <oc80z> interesting
Jun 15 13:14:43 <bdumm> my two bits... it seems the winds have shifted... with multi carriers in near future and BIG production of the Pre then it will be hard for Palm not to be more wide open w/o fscking the ecosystem they just created
Jun 15 13:15:33 <en0x> imho there is no ecosystem yet
Jun 15 13:15:48 * bdumm looks around
Jun 15 13:16:04 <bdumm> how many devels in #android-devel atm?
Jun 15 13:16:11 <bdumm> do they have an ecosystem?
Jun 15 13:17:17 <bdumm> are devels the start of such an ecosystem? hasn't most here been somewhat gaga for over a week now etc?
Jun 15 13:17:39 <blau-mikeDG> theres a distinct difference between pre dev and android dev
Jun 15 13:17:41 <blau-mikeDG> on both levels
Jun 15 13:17:48 <blau-mikeDG> platform and app
Jun 15 13:17:55 <bdumm> i know of other devels who were going to buy Iphones, even have Iphone apps but now are considering Pre just cause they can root it etc
Jun 15 13:17:57 <tmzt> bpadalino: nice, I will like to look at that later, but what do you mean history gotblost?
Jun 15 13:18:16 <blau-mikeDG> improving android is a PITA, its a pain to install a new platform build or replace existing apps
Jun 15 13:18:40 <blau-mikeDG> pre you cant really install a new platform since its not open source, but we have enough stuff to modify and it's easier to load
Jun 15 13:18:46 <blau-mikeDG> same thing with the main apps
Jun 15 13:18:52 <tmzt> bdumm: not too many in there, that's mostly api questions, everyone is in #adnroid
Jun 15 13:19:00 <tmzt> #android
Jun 15 13:19:21 <bdumm> tmzt, fine, but still its been how long?
Jun 15 13:19:53 <tmzt> one of the biggest things is pre uses a more common set of userland utils/libraries, allowing for native development
Jun 15 13:19:55 <blau-mikeDG> most of the android hacking is stuck in xda forums
Jun 15 13:20:02 <blau-mikeDG> where a smost of pre hacking seems to be here and the wiki
Jun 15 13:20:04 <tmzt> bdumm: sorry?
Jun 15 13:20:21 <bdumm> for Pre devel vs android devel
Jun 15 13:20:29 <bdumm> a week~?
Jun 15 13:20:48 <tmzt> blau-mikeDG: it's also very diferent kind of development, the goal here seems to be to document everything
Jun 15 13:21:03 <jwsh> on a related note, were my instructions on how to enabling adding/removing pages on the launcher hard to find?
Jun 15 13:21:11 <tmzt> last August I think
Jun 15 13:21:22 <jwsh> because someone seems to have created a duplicate set of instructions
Jun 15 13:21:57 <blau-mikeDG> jwsh: the wiki is hard to navigate and search
Jun 15 13:22:01 <blau-mikeDG> imo
Jun 15 13:22:47 <bdumm> android = aug?
Jun 15 13:23:00 <blau-mikeDG> ill be excited to see some of my changes make it into an official release
Jun 15 13:23:02 <bpadalino> tmzt, history gotblost ?
Jun 15 13:23:13 <bdumm> blau-mikeDG, i think it needs some reorganizing also
Jun 15 13:23:27 <bdumm> ie we need a Commands page with all commands under there
Jun 15 13:23:47 <bdumm> but wikidot won't approve either of my signups :\
Jun 15 13:23:53 <tmzt> bpadalino: lost
Jun 15 13:24:31 <bpadalino> tmzt, not sure what i mean by history got lost :(
Jun 15 13:24:54 <bpadalino> bbl, gotta go to work
Jun 15 13:24:59 <bpadalino> so i don't get fired
Jun 15 13:25:00 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 15 13:25:05 <tmzt> maybe it wasn't you
Jun 15 13:25:07 <tmzt> ok
Jun 15 13:26:16 <blau-mikeDG> anyone play with penindicator-ripple.png?
Jun 15 13:26:23 <blau-mikeDG> it looks like the touch screen indicator
Jun 15 13:26:38 * bdumm waves @ asedeno_home_afk
Jun 15 13:26:38 <blau-mikeDG> i cant get to my file system easily where i am now :(
Jun 15 13:26:43 <jwsh> hey, anyone here done a restore from backup?
Jun 15 13:27:50 <asedeno_home_afk> hello. Power outage last night. Going afk again RSN.
Jun 15 13:28:05 <bdumm> :( anything die?
Jun 15 13:28:39 <asedeno_home_afk> just my restful sleep. Woke up to the silence of my room sans computer noise. All is well.
Jun 15 13:28:54 <bdumm> lol, :) good to read
Jun 15 13:29:04 <bdumm> take a nice nap today then
Jun 15 13:29:23 <tmzt> blau-mikeDG: that's in js?
Jun 15 13:29:30 <blau-mikeDG> found the corner of the screen bitmaps!
Jun 15 13:29:38 <blau-mikeDG> tmzt: ? the image
Jun 15 13:29:49 <blau-mikeDG> usr\palm\sysmgr\images
Jun 15 13:29:59 <blau-mikeDG> figured the deformation happens someone in binary land
Jun 15 13:30:07 <blau-mikeDG> but the base image appears to be there
Jun 15 13:30:27 <blau-mikeDG> carp i forgot my usb cable today
Jun 15 13:30:39 <tmzt> the event/pointer code
Jun 15 13:31:21 <tmzt> I guess it's possible
Jun 15 13:31:56 <blau-mikeDG> i cant really do anything i dont think
Jun 15 13:32:01 <blau-mikeDG> no usb cable, only an adhoc network
Jun 15 13:32:07 <blau-mikeDG> and no evdo
Jun 15 13:33:14 <blau-mikeDG> i found the alphas for the corners!!
Jun 15 13:33:27 <blau-mikeDG> good by rounded corners, hello 30ish free pixels :)
Jun 15 13:34:13 <tmzt> how do you know the window will be filled?
Jun 15 13:35:27 <blau-mikeDG> i suspect it would be
Jun 15 13:35:39 <blau-mikeDG> i think its much harder to decide not to fill that weird shape
Jun 15 13:35:45 <blau-mikeDG> than to fill it and block it out
Jun 15 13:35:56 <tmzt> css?
Jun 15 13:36:04 <blau-mikeDG> i may just recolor them anyway
Jun 15 13:36:08 <blau-mikeDG> cause i changed my status bar to gray
Jun 15 13:36:21 <blau-mikeDG> and it looks awful with black bordery things
Jun 15 13:44:40 <bpadalino|work> someone should make an advanced preferences app that modifies all these small CSS options and other silly options..
Jun 15 13:44:49 <bpadalino|work> i believe the iphone has something called bossprefs that is similar /
Jun 15 13:45:23 <blau-mikeDG> doesnt apepar those files are mentioned in css anywhere
Jun 15 13:47:19 <bandwidthcrunch> hello friends , any figured how to launch a java application from commandline ?
Jun 15 13:50:45 <bpadalino|work> bandwidthcrunch, javahy <javaprogram>
Jun 15 13:51:24 <bandwidthcrunch> i wonder if they can run over X server
Jun 15 13:51:34 <en0x> pre has a full JVM right or is it a some kind of light version?
Jun 15 13:51:44 <bpadalino|work> J2SE 1.5 it seems
Jun 15 13:51:53 <bpadalino|work> so full
Jun 15 13:52:06 <blau-mikeDG> ive been using global search w/o cusotm icons
Jun 15 13:52:10 <blau-mikeDG> looks fine to me :)
Jun 15 13:52:27 <en0x> someone wanna try a java app for me if it will launch?
Jun 15 13:52:37 <oc80z> y
Jun 15 13:53:04 <en0x> http://m.gadu-gadu.pl/getjava.php?cert=yes&v=
Jun 15 13:53:26 <en0x> mgg.jad file it should work with java but idk its a IM client
Jun 15 13:53:34 <en0x> written in java
Jun 15 13:53:53 <bpadalino|work> there is a com.palm.display bus i'd like to see the methods to .. but i don't know how to query the methods available and their arguments
Jun 15 13:53:54 <en0x> and if it run will u post a screen? :>
Jun 15 13:54:14 <bpadalino|work> i don't think java has any way to display anything - just process things ..
Jun 15 13:54:27 <en0x> oh so it wont use gui
Jun 15 13:54:28 <en0x> hm
Jun 15 13:54:34 <bpadalino|work> right
Jun 15 13:54:53 <Sargun> Has anyone written their own Dbus service yet?
Jun 15 13:54:58 <bpadalino|work> sargun, no
Jun 15 13:55:27 <Sargun> Ok.
Jun 15 13:55:35 * Sargun might write one today
Jun 15 13:55:49 <Sargun> and then I can have one of the mojo guys write a front-end later
Jun 15 13:55:51 <bpadalino|work> sargun, if you could figure that out along with getting something like qdbus going to we can see services + methods + arguments
Jun 15 13:55:56 <Sargun> qdbus?
Jun 15 13:56:09 <Sargun> dbus introspection?
Jun 15 13:56:23 <Sargun> well all palm:// services just take JSON it seems
Jun 15 13:56:47 <bpadalino|work> sargun, right - but how do you figure out which methods are exposed to you ?
Jun 15 13:56:54 <bpadalino|work> and what the arguments are ?
Jun 15 13:57:38 <Sargun> the JSON arguments?
Jun 15 13:57:41 <Sargun> dbus-util
Jun 15 13:57:43 <Sargun> sniffing
Jun 15 13:57:56 <blau-mikeDG> sniff my butt
Jun 15 13:58:00 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Jun 15 13:58:08 <bpadalino|work> right - so anything that isn't currently being used isn't going to be found ..
Jun 15 13:58:46 <Sargun> bpadalino|work, uhm...  good point.
Jun 15 13:59:54 <blau-mikeDG> i should make fancy looking corners
Jun 15 14:15:03 <Sargun> blau-mikeDG, you should!
Jun 15 14:17:55 <jwsh> anyone run across font settings for the browser?
Jun 15 14:18:08 <bpadalino|work> i just figured out why libmatthew is used...
Jun 15 14:18:21 <bpadalino|work> i was looking for the dbus java implementation .. and came across: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-java/
Jun 15 14:18:29 <bpadalino|work> which links here: http://www.matthew.ath.cx/projects/java/
Jun 15 14:18:39 <jwsh> whatever font it uses seems to be lacking good international support
Jun 15 14:22:39 <bpadalino|work> you can find the fonts in /usr/share/fonts
Jun 15 14:32:24 * bdumm chuckles
Jun 15 14:32:28 <bdumm> printf( "Not sure wtf to do\n" ) ;
Jun 15 14:33:50 <bpadalino|work> heh
Jun 15 14:33:57 <bpadalino|work> yeah - that is all very fragmented currently
Jun 15 14:34:09 <bpadalino|work> i really need to start with the documentation and finish the reversing of the protocol
Jun 15 14:34:15 <bpadalino|work> then figure out my structures
Jun 15 14:34:20 <bpadalino|work> and then it will write itself
Jun 15 14:34:26 <jwsh> bpadalino|work: yeah, I found the fonts.. it's not the actual fonts that are the problem
Jun 15 14:34:31 <bdumm> i've noticed, i'll see if I can catch up today....
Jun 15 14:35:14 <jwsh> webkit seems to be 1) ignoring fonts specified in css and 2) not displaying characters from many languages
Jun 15 14:36:29 <jerms> finally got my hands on a pre yesterday
Jun 15 14:37:05 <blau-mikeDG> congrats
Jun 15 14:37:09 <bpadalino|work> jerms, congrats! what do you think so far ?
Jun 15 14:37:34 <nebula> does anyone elses back cover creak on the bottom right when they type?
Jun 15 14:38:14 <bdumm> jerms, congrats, happy?
Jun 15 14:38:26 <bdumm> nebula, not with the touchstone cover...
Jun 15 14:38:51 <nebula> looks like i found an excuse to get it
Jun 15 14:39:08 <summatusmentis> nebula: my centro does that
Jun 15 14:39:14 <nebula> pita!
Jun 15 14:39:33 <summatusmentis> the centro people decided it was because the cover needed to be so tight against the body
Jun 15 14:39:35 <nebula> until the touchstone comes, i'll just layer some electrical tape inside the cover
Jun 15 14:39:46 <bdumm> i have my pre wired to normal computer speakers, on a touchstone playing pandroa thru wifi all day...
Jun 15 14:40:03 <nebula> bdumm: niiice
Jun 15 14:40:11 <bdumm> yea it works great
Jun 15 14:40:23 <bdumm> now to install other media stuffs...
Jun 15 14:40:28 <summatusmentis> nebula: :) yeah, that's what cento users did too :) THey used paper though
Jun 15 14:43:06 <nebula> paper didn't seem to work for me
Jun 15 14:43:21 <nebula> was either too thick or too thin
Jun 15 14:43:44 <summatusmentis> well, yeah. I've just gotten used to it on my centro
Jun 15 14:46:20 <jerms> i am completely overjoyed
Jun 15 14:47:26 <jerms> the screen is gorgeous, all the features 'worked the first time' and were very intuitive
Jun 15 14:47:52 <jerms> the screen is gorgeous, the phone is sleek and smaller than the iphone (thank god)
Jun 15 14:47:57 <jerms> did i mention the screen is ridiculous ?
Jun 15 14:47:58 * Sargun_screen needs to get a third charging kit.
Jun 15 14:48:05 <Sargun_screen> o.O
Jun 15 14:48:16 <Sargun_screen> jerms: did you root it yet?
Jun 15 14:48:32 <jerms> nah, but im not sure i want to
Jun 15 14:48:42 <jerms> as long as an ssh client app comes out, i think im good to go
Jun 15 14:48:52 <jerms> i might buy that palmos emulator though to get my older apps going
Jun 15 14:49:04 <vlaurenz> needs a full terminal app to go with the rooting
Jun 15 14:49:20 <jwsh> ssh works under the emulator
Jun 15 14:49:39 <jwsh> there's a webshell hack on the wiki
Jun 15 14:49:41 <jerms> that would be my main goal jwsh, thanks for confirming,...are you using pssh ?
Jun 15 14:49:52 <drnull>  /msg
Jun 15 14:50:05 <drnull> just ignore the idiot. :)
Jun 15 14:50:21 <jwsh> jerms: I actually don't have Classic, but I read a post somewhere that said it worked
Jun 15 14:50:46 <jerms> ill give it a shot maybe later today
Jun 15 14:50:53 <jerms> lemme check out this webshell thing
Jun 15 14:50:53 <Sargun_screen> drnull: eh?
Jun 15 14:51:10 <drnull> I was referring to myself typing /msg in pidgin...
Jun 15 14:51:31 <Sargun_screen> ah...
Jun 15 14:53:15 <josch> hey guys!
Jun 15 14:53:27 <summatusmentis> hi josch
Jun 15 14:53:48 <josch> what modem is used in the pre - is it documented?
Jun 15 14:53:54 <blehz> hey, stupid question i'm in as root how can i edit the text. Like kinda confused since there is no nano or anything like a text editor installed. Or is there something?
Jun 15 14:54:06 <josch> blehz: vim?
Jun 15 14:54:08 <summatusmentis> vi is your text editor
Jun 15 14:54:13 <bdumm> blehz, cat file|less
Jun 15 14:54:17 <summatusmentis> there's a bit of a learning curve, also
Jun 15 14:54:43 <josch> blehz: if you dont know vim: press i to edit and esc, :wq to write and exit
Jun 15 14:54:43 <bdumm> don't listen to them it's a vi conspiracy i tell ya :)
Jun 15 14:54:59 <jwsh> think of it this way, if you can't handle vi, you probably shouldn't be mucking about in there :)
Jun 15 14:55:09 <bdumm> bah
Jun 15 14:55:20 <vlaurenz> http://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/vim_tutorial.html
Jun 15 14:55:29 <bdumm> an editor doth not a developer make
Jun 15 14:55:54 * mikewx keeps quiet about his windows preference for UE32
Jun 15 14:56:26 <josch> so does anybody know about the pre modem?
Jun 15 15:00:19 <josch> the resouces i find only talk about a 3g modem - yeah thx this is like buying a pc and not knowing the ethernet controller used
Jun 15 15:00:32 <bsiegel> mikewx: I love my vim for the terminal but ultraedit is great when i have a GUI. Been trying to use notepad++ instead but its a little light on features in comparison
Jun 15 15:02:30 <mikewx> bsiegel: like missing the now-built in telnet/ssh client? ue _might_ be goign a bit overboard in the feature department :)
Jun 15 15:02:31 <bsiegel> josch: The component diagram is here: http://tinyurl.com/nmbrxv
Jun 15 15:03:12 <bsiegel> mikewx: oh god, the last time I used UE it didn't have that... And it wasn't that many months ago
Jun 15 15:03:36 <mikewx> i really hate to say this, but it's kinda handy
Jun 15 15:03:42 <mikewx> new in v15
Jun 15 15:04:19 <mikewx> it doeos raw too so it works with novaproxy
Jun 15 15:04:41 <josch> f*** it's qualcomm :(
Jun 15 15:04:51 <josch> bsiegel: thx
Jun 15 15:09:13 <bsiegel> josch: what were you hoping for? any problem with the qualcomm?
Jun 15 15:09:13 <bpadalino|work> josch, yeah - it's a qualcomm MSM6800
Jun 15 15:09:31 <bpadalino|work> qualcomm owns most of the patents for CDMA - so you shouldn't be surprised ?
Jun 15 15:09:40 <josch> only know their sparse documentation of their hw
Jun 15 15:10:04 <bpadalino|work> yeah - you need to sign NDA's to get the good stuff
Jun 15 15:10:23 <bpadalino|work> but you probably shouldn't be mucking around much with their radio code
Jun 15 15:10:44 <josch> and i expect the palm sw to be proprietary so than one can not learn about the chip by reading palm code?
Jun 15 15:11:52 <bpadalino|work> i believe the firmware that is loaded is in the OS
Jun 15 15:11:56 <bpadalino|work> you can examine it
Jun 15 15:12:09 <josch> i mean the code - not the binary
Jun 15 15:12:18 <bsiegel> josch: well it's linux so I would presume that most of that would be handled in kernel modules
Jun 15 15:12:30 <josch> sure that's no problem
Jun 15 15:12:36 <bsiegel> The code for the modules is probably not included :(
Jun 15 15:12:45 <josch> i'm interested in the AT specs, timeouts and stuff
Jun 15 15:14:37 <josch> or - does the palm sw even talk to the modem using AT cmds or something else?
Jun 15 15:14:53 <bpadalino|work> i believe it's similar to GSM in that it's AT commands .. over a mcbsp i think ?
Jun 15 15:16:04 <josch> i'm part of the pyneo project - we build a dbus middleware for mobile devices which currently only runs on the openmoko phones
Jun 15 15:16:21 <josch> 'cause they are the only ones running a free gnu/linux
Jun 15 15:16:24 <bpadalino|work> oh - this should be right up your alley then since this uses dbus
Jun 15 15:16:35 <josch> most htc phones are not wnough reversed for full functionality
Jun 15 15:16:51 <bpadalino|work> want to see the dbus listing ?
Jun 15 15:17:07 <bpadalino|work> http://webos.pastebin.com/m10dd044b
Jun 15 15:18:01 <geist> no, it doesn't use AT commands
Jun 15 15:18:34 <bpadalino|work> that's disappointing :(
Jun 15 15:18:46 <josch> geist: aw crap - how it done? documentation anywhere?
Jun 15 15:19:10 <geist> nope. proprietary
Jun 15 15:19:46 <josch> yeah expeceted nothing more from qualcomm...
Jun 15 15:19:55 <geist> good assumption
Jun 15 15:21:17 <josch> well i think then this paltform died for us :(
Jun 15 15:21:24 <bpadalino|work> josch, why is that ?
Jun 15 15:21:34 <josch> with no documentation no modem access
Jun 15 15:21:43 <bpadalino|work> josch, you can reverse what's going on there ?
Jun 15 15:21:53 <josch> dont have time for that
Jun 15 15:22:07 <josch> thats the same situation for a lot of hw
Jun 15 15:22:19 <bpadalino|work> i guess if you wanted it handed to you on a silver platter then, sure ... you're out of luck
Jun 15 15:22:33 <josch> sure you can reverse everything but i rather spend my time in already documented hardware
Jun 15 15:22:34 <bpadalino|work> but this is the most open and hacker friendly phones i've ever played around with
Jun 15 15:22:35 <bpadalino|work> it's insane
Jun 15 15:23:17 <josch> i think the openmoko phones are still a bit more open but much much slower hw wise of course
Jun 15 15:23:40 <josch> teh calypso modem's documentation is also under NDA
Jun 15 15:23:51 <josch> but there is oss code that one can use to see how it works
Jun 15 15:24:18 <josch> also we read about the FLOW project which uses a telit modem which comes fully documented
Jun 15 15:24:31 <geist> yeah, good luck finding documented modem interface
Jun 15 15:24:31 <josch> if we have this option than we rather go the easy way
Jun 15 15:24:50 <geist> in the case of the QC stuff they just did their own interface, and then i think palm customized it a bit as well
Jun 15 15:27:32 <josch> geist: http://www.telit.com/en/products.php?p_id=3&p_ac=show&p=3
Jun 15 15:27:38 <josch> eveyrthing there :)
Jun 15 15:27:52 <josch> the chip used is still qualcomm
Jun 15 15:27:57 <geist> it's probably following 07.10 or something
Jun 15 15:28:00 <josch> but the interface is AT and documented
Jun 15 15:28:03 <josch> yes
Jun 15 15:28:12 <geist> cdma has no such documented interface
Jun 15 15:28:55 <bpadalino|work> did LTE decide to define a standard interface ?
Jun 15 15:29:06 <geist> back in the Danger days we used AT to talk to our modems as well
Jun 15 15:29:19 <geist> we had modems from Enfora, which were Calypso based
Jun 15 15:29:30 <geist> but we never shipped cdma
Jun 15 15:29:46 <geist> i remember us talking to a few cdma modem vendors and they all some some half-assed proprietary interface
Jun 15 15:31:53 <bpadalino|work> there is more than just qualcomm that makes cdma chipsets ?
Jun 15 15:32:42 * Sargun_screen saw the word calypso, and then shuddered slightly...
Jun 15 15:33:58 <bpadalino|work> i've never heard of calypso .. are they really that bad for cellular modems ?
Jun 15 15:34:45 <Sargun_screen> It's not _that_ bad
Jun 15 15:34:54 <Sargun_screen> TI is just bad at supporting it
Jun 15 15:35:02 <Sargun_screen> and it has some other random issues.
Jun 15 15:35:07 <Sargun_screen> that crop up
Jun 15 15:35:13 <Sargun_screen> it's actually pretty bad.
Jun 15 15:35:31 <bpadalino|work> oh it's TI .. interesting
Jun 15 15:35:43 <Sargun_screen> normally TI is a pretty good company
Jun 15 15:35:46 <bpadalino|work> i heard that a lot .. TI makes some interesting stuff, but then can't support it worth a crap
Jun 15 15:38:07 <Sargun_screen> well, the calypso has lots of issues
Jun 15 15:38:25 <Sargun_screen> they discontinued it for a reason
Jun 15 15:38:35 <josch> geist: can you name a source for the QC modem being proprietary, undocumented non-AT ?
Jun 15 15:39:41 <Sargun_screen> It's qualcomm
Jun 15 15:39:41 <geist> i work at palm
Jun 15 15:39:48 <Sargun_screen> HAhaha
Jun 15 15:40:01 <geist> yeah QC nuff said
Jun 15 15:40:23 <Sargun_screen> geist: Though, the data stuff is using pppd
Jun 15 15:40:24 <deadchicken> lol @ geist
Jun 15 15:40:38 <Sargun_screen> root     10488  0.0  0.3   2904   836 ttyACM0  Ss+  08:10   0:00 pppd /dev/tts/modem0 file /etc/ppp/options-cdma mtu 1480
Jun 15 15:40:47 <Sargun_screen> plugin /usr/lib/libPmWanPppPlugin.so
Jun 15 15:41:25 <josch> geist: thx :)
Jun 15 15:41:26 <geist> Sargun_screen: yep
Jun 15 15:41:41 * geist waves at amirf 
Jun 15 15:42:13 <Sargun_screen> amirf: Fellow palm employee?
Jun 15 15:42:28 <deadchicken> avgcurrent doesn't seem to report except in certain circumstances.
Jun 15 15:43:47 <deadchicken> specifically, i have a cron job to report stats from my pre and avgcurrent is always empty when it reports, but done from the command line i get an avgcurrent.
Jun 15 15:44:24 <mtkatwork> sounds like classic unix:  the cron environment isn't the same as the shell environment.
Jun 15 15:44:30 * Sargun_screen has to go
Jun 15 15:44:36 <deadchicken> right
Jun 15 15:44:52 <amirf> gtg to see geist soon :)
Jun 15 15:44:53 <mtkatwork> is there a printenv command on the device?  easy to compare.
Jun 15 15:45:25 <Sargun_screen> So, we've got  4 palm employees
Jun 15 15:45:44 <deadchicken> more like 8 or 9 that talk.
Jun 15 15:45:51 <Sargun_screen> oh, really?
Jun 15 15:46:04 <deadchicken> yes, and who knows how many are silent.
Jun 15 15:46:17 <Sargun_screen> Man, I would love to watch people reverse engineer my work.
Jun 15 15:46:32 <bpadalino|work> sargun, i wouldn't ..
Jun 15 15:46:35 <Sargun_screen> Ok, time to walk to office....
Jun 15 15:46:37 <bpadalino|work> i'd get nervous
Jun 15 15:46:38 <Sargun_screen> bpadalino|work: why not?
Jun 15 15:46:42 <Sargun_screen> eh?
Jun 15 15:46:49 <Sargun_screen> be back in 20.
Jun 15 15:46:52 <bpadalino|work> later
Jun 15 15:47:14 <bpadalino|work> so pastebin doesn't keep a history of old pastes ?
Jun 15 15:47:21 <Davide-NYC> Hello all, quick question. I'm new to Python. How do I "run" talk.py "in" subversion
Jun 15 15:47:36 <mikewx> download it from subversion
Jun 15 15:47:45 <mikewx> then run it like any other executable
Jun 15 15:48:06 <mikewx> it doesn't run in teh subversion environment
Jun 15 15:48:27 <Davide-NYC> the cmd window dissapears so fast I cannot see if it returned errors. Using putty.exe I am not able to connect to my pre
Jun 15 15:48:40 <mikewx> run cmd.exe first
Jun 15 15:48:42 <Davide-NYC> I must be doing something wrong.
Jun 15 15:48:54 <mikewx> then run it manually from the command line so youc an see output
Jun 15 15:49:19 <Davide-NYC> gotcha, I have an error for y'all
Jun 15 15:49:21 <mikewx> also, if you're using putty make sure you're not confusing connecting via local usb with putty and connecting via wifi via telnet
Jun 15 15:49:54 <mikewx> you don't run talk.py if you intend to connect via local usb, you run novaproxy in that instance
Jun 15 15:50:26 <Davide-NYC> here's my error
Jun 15 15:50:32 <Davide-NYC> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 15 15:50:33 <Davide-NYC>   File "C:\Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\rooter\talk.py", line 48, in <mo
Jun 15 15:50:35 <Davide-NYC> dule>
Jun 15 15:50:36 <Davide-NYC>     port = getport()
Jun 15 15:50:38 <Davide-NYC>   File "C:\Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\rooter\talk.py", line 27, in get
Jun 15 15:50:39 <Davide-NYC> port
Jun 15 15:50:42 <Davide-NYC>     return int(portnum)
Jun 15 15:50:43 <Davide-NYC> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 15 15:50:49 <deadchicken> had an idea on the commute this morning, what about a public bug tracker (light weight) so we can track the things people are working on and a place for palm to grab bugfixes/features for inclusion/review.
Jun 15 15:51:01 <mikewx> sounds like you don't have novacomd installed, or it's not working properly and connecting to the pre
Jun 15 15:51:26 <mikewx> i found a reboot was required, not optional, after installing the novacom drivers.
Jun 15 15:51:35 <Davide-NYC> I've run it (twice) does my pre have to be in USB diskmode or something?
Jun 15 15:51:37 <mikewx> also make sure the pre is in dev mode
Jun 15 15:51:44 <mikewx> it has to be in dev mode.
Jun 15 15:51:46 <Davide-NYC> Ah, will reboot!
Jun 15 15:51:53 <Davide-NYC> Pre is in dev mode
Jun 15 15:51:57 <Davide-NYC> BRB
Jun 15 15:52:26 <josch> bye guys
Jun 15 15:53:08 <josch> thx geist , bpadalino|work
Jun 15 15:55:39 <bpadalino|work> interesting guy
Jun 15 15:55:54 <mikewx> sounded like manager :)
Jun 15 15:58:46 <bpadalino|work> heh
Jun 15 16:00:13 <shaya> has anyone investigated putting the phone in "roam only"
Jun 15 16:00:35 <shaya> there is a "roam only" string that gets translated, though the phone app doesn't seem to have that option internally
Jun 15 16:02:40 <bpadalino|work> i think someone was doing that last night
Jun 15 16:02:54 <summatusmentis> why would you put it in roam only? that's not something I've ever understood
Jun 15 16:03:01 <summatusmentis> I suppose if you have crappy sprint service
Jun 15 16:03:06 <shaya> summatusmentis: cause you're in a place with very weak service
Jun 15 16:03:16 <shaya> and you keep going on and off of sprint, and cant maintain the call
Jun 15 16:03:16 <summatusmentis> yeh, but you tend to lose EV-DO that way too
Jun 15 16:03:20 <summatusmentis> mm
Jun 15 16:03:27 <summatusmentis> I guess that's fair
Jun 15 16:03:27 <shaya> summatusmentis: correct, in verizon areas
Jun 15 16:03:31 <shaya> in alltel areas its evdo roaming
Jun 15 16:03:54 <summatusmentis> alltel areas are gonna be vzw areas soon anyway
Jun 15 16:03:58 <shaya> with the merger, who knows, though I know the alltell stuff will remain the same for a bit
Jun 15 16:03:59 <shaya> yes
Jun 15 16:04:12 <shaya> unsure if it will change verizon, probably not, as they are even bigger now
Jun 15 16:04:38 <shaya> sprint should have gone for the all instead of the next
Jun 15 16:04:42 <shaya> would have been better for them
Jun 15 16:04:45 <summatusmentis> if anything I'd bet vzw lets those roaming agreements lapse, and then Sprint is out of luck
Jun 15 16:05:05 <shaya> summatusmentis: agreed, but they wont lapse for a bit
Jun 15 16:05:12 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 15 16:05:26 <shaya> and verizon will need them soon too
Jun 15 16:05:37 <shaya> as they will be doing cdma for the forceable future, but moving to lte
Jun 15 16:05:46 <summatusmentis> will need which soon?
Jun 15 16:05:48 <summatusmentis> alltel?
Jun 15 16:05:50 <shaya> roaming agreements
Jun 15 16:06:04 <acekard> does anyone mind helping me out with my pre, i have a mac
Jun 15 16:06:09 <shaya> i.e. as they invest in LTE, they'll depend more on other's investments in CDMA
Jun 15 16:06:13 <summatusmentis> I supose, verizon has a huge network though
Jun 15 16:06:15 <shaya> for their current customers
Jun 15 16:06:57 <bpadalino|work> acekard, using your mac is great for this stuff
Jun 15 16:07:11 <acekard> yeah i knwo that but im kinda stuck
Jun 15 16:07:19 <acekard> do you mind helping me out?
Jun 15 16:07:19 <bpadalino|work> with what aspect ?
Jun 15 16:07:40 <bpadalino|work> i am going to lunch in about 10 minutes - but i'll help you for those 10 minutes
Jun 15 16:07:49 <acekard> well i rooted my pre and now i want to know how i can explore the filesystem
Jun 15 16:07:57 <bpadalino|work> open up a termina
Jun 15 16:07:57 <bpadalino|work> l
Jun 15 16:08:00 <acekard> like /media folder
Jun 15 16:08:01 <bpadalino|work> cd /opt/nova/bin
Jun 15 16:08:10 <acekard> did that
Jun 15 16:08:12 <bpadalino|work> make sure the phone is in dev mode
Jun 15 16:08:15 <bpadalino|work> ./novaterm
Jun 15 16:08:18 <wmirc> wata shame, i just saw engadget that palm is giving  us the finger, as usual
Jun 15 16:08:20 <bpadalino|work> now type away
Jun 15 16:08:26 <acekard> okay thats done, now im at the castle
Jun 15 16:08:38 <acekard> well is there a way to just drag and drop replace files
Jun 15 16:08:42 <bpadalino|work> now you just have to use it as a shell
Jun 15 16:08:48 <bpadalino|work> what files do you want to replace ?
Jun 15 16:08:55 <acekard> the dialer background
Jun 15 16:09:07 <bpadalino|work> hrmm ..
Jun 15 16:09:13 <blau-mikeDG> setup sftp
Jun 15 16:09:16 <blau-mikeDG> and use winscp
Jun 15 16:09:20 <acekard> i have a mc
Jun 15 16:09:21 <acekard> mac*
Jun 15 16:09:31 <bpadalino|work> blau, i think novacom should be able to send files
Jun 15 16:09:34 <bpadalino|work> i know file receive works
Jun 15 16:09:37 <bpadalino|work> you can type
Jun 15 16:09:39 <blau-mikeDG> bpad: but not drag and drop
Jun 15 16:09:56 <bpadalino|work> novacom file get://<filename> > filename and it will transfer
Jun 15 16:09:58 <wmirc> i guess some will need to tcpdump an update from 1.01 to 1.02 quickly
Jun 15 16:10:10 <bpadalino|work> i think put://<filename> < filename works too ?
Jun 15 16:10:22 <blau-mikeDG> engadget is ass
Jun 15 16:10:27 <bpadalino|work> wmirc, how is palm giving us the finger ?
Jun 15 16:10:29 <Sargun> wmirc, where? link?
Jun 15 16:10:34 <Lurking_Grue> Anybody here get the nintendo emulator running? I followed the wiki and  got "Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse."
Jun 15 16:10:35 <summatusmentis> wmirc: there's nothing there that says anything about palm "giving us the finger"
Jun 15 16:10:50 <acekard> thats bpad
Jun 15 16:10:51 <shaya> I wonder if one would add a "roamonly" choice to the voiceRoamingChoices struct, if that would work
Jun 15 16:10:56 <bpadalino|work> acekard, good luck
Jun 15 16:11:08 <summatusmentis> Palm is requiring forced webOS updates, and Palm doesn't want us to post tethering instructions
Jun 15 16:11:09 <acekard> im kinda new to this linux stuff so its a little confusing
Jun 15 16:11:13 <summatusmentis> that's not "giving us the finger'
Jun 15 16:11:22 <blau-mikeDG> its engadgets overeactive "reporting"
Jun 15 16:11:24 <bpadalino|work> acekard, understandable - it's all very simple!
Jun 15 16:11:26 <bpadalino|work> :)
Jun 15 16:11:38 <Sargun> Oh fuck you engadget.
Jun 15 16:11:40 <summatusmentis> furthermore, optware is designed to be update-proof (or close)
Jun 15 16:11:44 <acekard> it all seems like that but i just dont know how to send a file to the root
Jun 15 16:12:00 <blau-mikeDG> seriously, the fact that palm didnt even have their lawyers draft the friendly letter is nice
Jun 15 16:12:10 <shaya> yes
Jun 15 16:12:14 <Sargun> engadget took that and blew it out of proportion
Jun 15 16:12:18 <bsiegel> Yeah, the tethering is reasonable. I would bet that the same request will be made over activation hacking too in short order
Jun 15 16:12:21 <shaya> anyone want to try something
Jun 15 16:12:27 <shaya> I think I can make the pre do roam only
Jun 15 16:12:35 <shaya> I dont have a pre though :)
Jun 15 16:12:42 <falz> you cant
Jun 15 16:12:52 <shaya> hack the phoneprefs
Jun 15 16:12:55 <falz> actually maybe you can
Jun 15 16:12:55 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: activation hacking is sort of a grey area. Sprint sells these devices without a contract
Jun 15 16:13:12 <summatusmentis> you can walk into a Sprint store, pay full price for it, and not require a contract at all
Jun 15 16:13:16 <asedeno_work_afk> I suspect you could get around forced updates, but until they do something we don't want I will happily take updates.
Jun 15 16:13:16 <shaya> if someone is comfortable hacking the built in palm apps, I can walk them through it
Jun 15 16:13:23 * mikewx has bought many sprint phones that way
Jun 15 16:13:40 * Sargun bought his pre out of contract. 
Jun 15 16:13:44 <summatusmentis> so arguably, there's a legitimate use for hacking around the required activation
Jun 15 16:13:57 <summatusmentis> particularly if you don't have a sprint plan at all
Jun 15 16:15:22 <shaya> anyone want to experiment with me to get roam only working?
Jun 15 16:15:27 <summatusmentis> and just because we're not posting things that Palm requests we not post does not mean they aren't accessible elsewhere
Jun 15 16:15:30 <shaya> I have an idea of how it would work, just need a tester
Jun 15 16:15:44 <bsiegel> True, it's just a bit more of a question mark than say, enabling extra pages on the launcher. I just wouldn't be surprised if Palm wanted it taken down.
Jun 15 16:16:08 <summatusmentis> like I said, it's a bit of a grey area, because clearly it could be used to break ToS
Jun 15 16:16:23 <Lurking_Grue> Summa: Phone unlocking is legal under exceptions added to the DMCA.
Jun 15 16:16:26 <bsiegel> My overall impression so far is that Palm doesn't seem to mind too much, but they need to keep the Sprint beast happy. Anything that changes how the pre works on Sprint's network (ie tethering) is verboten, and things that might be seen as helping break through their exclusivity contract with Sprint could be worrisome too.
Jun 15 16:16:42 <summatusmentis> Lurking_Grue: even cdma phone unlocking?
Jun 15 16:16:53 <Lurking_Grue> Summa: I think so.
Jun 15 16:17:03 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: yeah, I tend to agree
Jun 15 16:17:38 <summatusmentis> Lurking_Grue: I'd be interested to see that, because as far as I was aware, that was considered disallowed under most CDMA carrier ToSs
Jun 15 16:18:36 <Lurking_Grue> Summa: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/dmca-hearings-phone-  Trying to find more in this. but I do remember more on this when it was going on.
Jun 15 16:18:52 <bsiegel> On another note, I totally got bit by the alarm clock bug today. Ended up an hour late for work, damn you Palm!
Jun 15 16:19:28 <Sargun> bsiegel, haha
Jun 15 16:19:31 <summatusmentis> I think that's called setting your alarm clock incorrectly >_>
Jun 15 16:19:44 <shaya> is their a wiki administrator here?
Jun 15 16:19:49 <Sargun> shaya, no
Jun 15 16:19:52 <shaya> I want to add my thoughts on how to get roaming only working
Jun 15 16:19:59 <shaya> but cant create a page myself
Jun 15 16:20:27 <Sargun> ehm, that's flirting with the edges of legality
Jun 15 16:20:50 <shaya> Sargun: why?
Jun 15 16:20:56 <shaya> plenty of sprint phones have roam only options
Jun 15 16:21:17 <blau-mikeDG> bsiegel: the alarm clock will wake you up when you expect it
Jun 15 16:21:18 <blau-mikeDG> and sometimes when you dont expect it
Jun 15 16:21:19 <Sargun> look in PM
Jun 15 16:21:21 <summatusmentis> is it? I can set my centro to roam only by using a built-in setting
Jun 15 16:21:27 <blau-mikeDG> i havent seen any bugs whre it doesnt wake you up
Jun 15 16:22:12 <acekard> can someone do me a huge favor
Jun 15 16:22:39 <bsiegel> I dunno, I reset the phone over the weekend to fix some issues and had to recreate my alarms. Neither went off this morning, even though they were enabled. It's possible it's a problem with the wetware, I'll have to look in to it :p
Jun 15 16:22:43 <acekard> if anyone has a mac can you make a video of how to transfer files to the pre
Jun 15 16:22:53 <bsiegel> Ugh and I hate myself for using that word just now, even if it was appropriate.
Jun 15 16:23:23 <Sargun> dunno?
Jun 15 16:23:27 <blau-mikeDG> qq'
Jun 15 16:23:33 <mikewx> acekard: you're pretty much going to have to drag the files to the usb drive accessable portion and then use the shell to copy them where you want them on the pre's file system.
Jun 15 16:23:38 <Sargun> wetware?
Jun 15 16:23:38 <mikewx> or install sftp
Jun 15 16:23:52 <acekard> ohh okay that makes sense
Jun 15 16:23:55 <summatusmentis> scp works fine
Jun 15 16:23:59 <acekard> how can i use sftp with man
Jun 15 16:23:59 * mikewx should take his own advice and install sftp
Jun 15 16:23:59 <acekard> mac*
Jun 15 16:24:03 <bsiegel> Sargun: aka the user
Jun 15 16:24:07 <bsiegel> blau-mikeDG: Did the alarm patch make it to the wiki? I can't find it.
Jun 15 16:24:18 <mikewx> i don't know i'm not a mac user anymore. perhaps transmit or gogole for sftp mac
Jun 15 16:24:46 <summatusmentis> cyerduck can use stfp
Jun 15 16:24:59 <summatusmentis> or check out mac FUSE + sshfs once you get stfp installed
Jun 15 16:25:07 <summatusmentis> (I think)
Jun 15 16:25:21 <acekard> thanks!
Jun 15 16:25:45 <Davide-NYC> I'm back, I was able to correctly run talk.py but I still cannot ssh into my pre
Jun 15 16:25:49 <summatusmentis> I can't guarantee sshfs works
Jun 15 16:25:50 <Sargun> telnet
Jun 15 16:25:53 <Sargun> Davide-NYC, telnet
Jun 15 16:26:01 <Lurking_Grue> The nintendo article on the wiki is missing steps.
Jun 15 16:26:08 <Sargun> hehe
Jun 15 16:26:12 <Sargun> Lurking_Grue, tell nebula
Jun 15 16:26:26 <Davide-NYC> Sargun, thanks!
Jun 15 16:26:54 <nebula> Lurking_Grue: which ones? i wrote it half asleep ;)
Jun 15 16:27:09 <Davide-NYC> the wiki instructions need to be changes to require a reboot after novacom install and use telnet rather tan ssh
Jun 15 16:27:39 <nebula> Sargun: trying VLC now ;)
Jun 15 16:28:28 <Lurking_Grue> David: It won't run from ssh? ick.
Jun 15 16:29:19 <Lurking_Grue> Neb: If you follow it from scratch you get the error:  "Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse."
Jun 15 16:34:03 <bsiegel> grab mplayer and use the aa output module
Jun 15 16:34:11 <bsiegel> you can watch your videos over the SSH terminal :p
Jun 15 16:34:43 <Binarytech> is anyone working on a terminal app for the phone yet? is it worth the trouble?
Jun 15 16:35:10 <hemna> I'd just like sshd support :P
Jun 15 16:35:17 <EvanPro_> Binarytech: if you know how to pass the teminal i/o up to the mojo level, go for it... that's what the hold up is.
Jun 15 16:35:49 <summatusmentis> Binarytech: I think you'd be held up as a hero if you go through the trouble :-P
Jun 15 16:35:49 <Lurking_Grue> Neb: I get past the mouse error and it's running but I still have luna and no nes.... I assume I was suppose to kill it?
Jun 15 16:35:59 <bsiegel> If my assumptions are correct, it looks like the low level stuff - the code that glues Mojo to the OS - is all written in Java.
Jun 15 16:36:17 <Binarytech> looks that way to me too bsiegal
Jun 15 16:36:47 <summatusmentis> there are ways within java to pass commands to the terminal
Jun 15 16:36:51 <EvanPro_> bsiegel: they seem to be dbus daemons... see dbus-utils
Jun 15 16:36:53 <summatusmentis> but I don't know if j2me has that
Jun 15 16:37:07 <bsiegel> If I have some downtime I may throw some of the classes at jad and see what all they are doing
Jun 15 16:37:27 <Binarytech> whats the best app to decompile the java? i remember an app mentioned but dont recall the name
Jun 15 16:37:55 <bsiegel> I usually just use jad
Jun 15 16:37:58 <Hamzifer> as far as i know, javac has a decompile flag
Jun 15 16:37:59 <Binarytech> ok ty sir
Jun 15 16:38:16 <Hamzifer> (The sun java compiler)
Jun 15 16:38:23 <bsiegel> I dont think it's j2me though, it's a proprietary modification of Apache Harmony called Oasis
Jun 15 16:38:44 <bsiegel> Which seems to be Java SE
Jun 15 16:39:21 <bsiegel> And I haven't tried it, but I just noticed on the Harmony website, that they now ship a tool called javap which is a class disassembler
Jun 15 16:42:33 <bsiegel> EvanPro_: What's on the ends of dbus though? Are the mojo apps sending dbus messages directly, or are they talking to the java code which then does the dbus stuff? And on the other side, what's receiving the dbus messages - java listeners, or native linux utilities or something else?
Jun 15 16:44:03 <bsiegel> Has anyone tried making a hello world app built against Harmony, sending it to the Pre and trying to execute it?
Jun 15 16:44:29 <nebula> Lurking_Grue: did you stop the service for lunasysmgr?
Jun 15 16:44:33 <summatusmentis> someone wrote a java hello world app, yes
Jun 15 16:44:47 <nebula> summatusmentis: i belive it was just a hack of the nascar app
Jun 15 16:44:51 <jblebrun> summatus: Does it write to the screen?
Jun 15 16:45:00 <bsiegel> Okay, just wanted to make sure that worked before going further
Jun 15 16:45:00 <blau-mikeDG> nascar app was js
Jun 15 16:45:04 <jblebrun> a hack of the nascar app is a JavaScript app, not a Java app
Jun 15 16:45:04 <EvanPro_> bsiegel: i didn't really check into that... there's a mojo call that "seems" to send the dbus messages directly... but we know javascript doesn't do that... so there's something.. i'm guessing it's some mod / plugin for the webkit engine they're using perhaps.. i'm not sure. i haven't dug that deep yet.
Jun 15 16:45:04 <summatusmentis> nebula: there were two different hello world apps written
Jun 15 16:45:06 <summatusmentis> iirc
Jun 15 16:45:19 <jblebrun> Can we add a note in the topic that Java != Javascript ? ;-)
Jun 15 16:45:24 <nebula> ah
Jun 15 16:45:30 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 16:45:38 <summatusmentis> nebula: someone wrote something in java, to show that they could, and there was something else that was a "webOS hello world"
Jun 15 16:45:39 <blau-mikeDG> is there a point to trying to throw java on here?
Jun 15 16:45:47 <summatusmentis> java is already on the pre
Jun 15 16:45:53 <blau-mikeDG> oh
Jun 15 16:45:58 <bsiegel> I will investigate when I get home, as I left my USB cable there today >.<
Jun 15 16:46:09 <blau-mikeDG> i left my usb cable home too
Jun 15 16:46:09 <EvanPro_> anyways, i must be off to work now. i'll be on when i get there.
Jun 15 16:46:10 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Jun 15 16:46:20 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: seems to be the backend behind some of mojo's stuff
Jun 15 16:46:37 <mikewx> i can't wait till friday when i can order some cables from monoprice
Jun 15 16:46:37 <shaya> summatusmentis: java is sort of. isn't it apache harmony?
Jun 15 16:46:39 <jblebrun> evanpro: Have you figured out anything about workers/background tasks?
Jun 15 16:46:42 <shaya> i.e. not a complete java?
Jun 15 16:47:05 <shaya> or is harmony more complete than I think it is
Jun 15 16:47:07 <EvanPro_> jblebrun: nope.. the things i have made all have cards / scenes.
Jun 15 16:47:09 <summatusmentis> shaya: well, yes, it's not complete java. Someone above was saying it was lose to java se
Jun 15 16:47:13 <summatusmentis> close*
Jun 15 16:47:22 <summatusmentis> h, it was bsiegel
Jun 15 16:47:26 <shaya> ok, dont know
Jun 15 16:47:31 <bsiegel> Harmony is an implementation of J2SE 1.5. However the VM on the Pre is not pure Harmony.
Jun 15 16:48:02 <chrisa> Anything interesting the last couple of days (most debian chroot stuff doesn't count!)?
Jun 15 16:48:04 <summatusmentis> but the point is, the Pre Java VM isn't full java, correct?
Jun 15 16:48:07 <jblebrun> Also, I've dug around in the PDF and made them rotatable... I can add a howto on the Wiki, which would give some information about handling screen orientation and some basics of communicating with embedded native objects
Jun 15 16:48:30 <summatusmentis> chrisa: nothing wildly exciting that I've seen
Jun 15 16:48:33 <mikewx> jblebrun: have you fixed all teh render error crashes? :)
Jun 15 16:48:40 <bsiegel> It's called Oasis, and it seems to be based on harmony with a bunch of proprietary extensions, designed specifically to run an entire mobile phone interface
Jun 15 16:48:51 <bsiegel> It was developed by one of the guys that Palm lured from Apple
Jun 15 16:48:56 <summatusmentis> chrisa: but I'm not here all the time, so
Jun 15 16:49:00 <jblebrun> mikewx: No, I haven't played with the renderer itself, just the wrapper around it
Jun 15 16:49:37 <shaya> jblebrun: it be interesting if we could put together a source code browser plugin that devs could use to make native apps :)
Jun 15 16:49:45 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: ok, but we can expect roughly J2SE 1.5 equivalency?
Jun 15 16:50:01 <shaya> the npapi would be easy
Jun 15 16:50:09 <shaya> part that is
Jun 15 16:50:17 <shaya> I'm just unsure how it does rendering
Jun 15 16:50:29 <shaya> as all I see in the plugins that come with it are libpng and libjpeg
Jun 15 16:50:48 <Davide-NYC> followed the instructions on the wiki to enable ssh for an underpriviledged user. Can confirm telnet (23) now refuses connections and ssh (222) loves only the user I created (I think). Thanks!
Jun 15 16:51:05 <bsiegel> summatusmentis: It's hard to say exactly. Roughly, I would say yes. Judging from the date that Oasis was created, Harmony was far from complete by the time Oasis was used on a production phone
Jun 15 16:51:27 <bsiegel> So I would bet that they filled in a lot of the holes in the framework with their own code.
Jun 15 16:51:38 <chrisa> Who was contacted about sprint/tethering on the wiki?
Jun 15 16:51:51 <jblebrun> shaya: From what I've seen, I'm not even convinced a webkit plugin fr webOS would have to be compiled against anything Palm-specific
Jun 15 16:52:03 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: and is there a way in J2SE to pass directly to the terminal?
Jun 15 16:52:12 <chrisa> Looks like rwhitby was the one who made the edit
Jun 15 16:52:19 <summatusmentis> chrisa: I believe that stems from a conversation that rwhitby had with cdm
Jun 15 16:52:26 <summatusmentis> but I'm not sure on that
Jun 15 16:52:29 <shaya> jblebrun: but doesn't it have to know some graphics context?
Jun 15 16:52:56 <shaya> have some input context....
Jun 15 16:53:13 <jblebrun> Oh yeah, for the graphics context, i guess so
Jun 15 16:53:17 <nebula> summatusmentis: it was a conversation a bunch of ops had with cdm, etc.
Jun 15 16:53:19 <jblebrun> I think input is handled through the message bus
Jun 15 16:53:22 <nebula> happened the other night
Jun 15 16:53:39 <shaya> jblebrun: but I agree, that a regular npapi plugin should work
Jun 15 16:53:41 <summatusmentis> nebula: ah, missed that then
Jun 15 16:53:50 <nebula> yeah it was only a few of us at the time
Jun 15 16:53:55 <summatusmentis> chrisa: nebula knows what he's talking about
Jun 15 16:53:56 <shaya> it seems I wasn't the first person to figure out this roaming thing
Jun 15 16:54:09 <timboy> anyone know when the next OTA update is coming?
Jun 15 16:54:21 <bsiegel> summatusmentis: Yes, you can exec stuff though I'm not sure if it relies on the shell or what. It's been a while since I've played with that, but I know there were some concerns because that code is not platform-neutral
Jun 15 16:54:29 <chrisa> no, I was in that conversation
Jun 15 16:55:02 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: intriguing, someone with a device should play with that
Jun 15 16:55:06 <chrisa> ok, I misread the wiki entry
Jun 15 16:55:07 <chrisa> Nevermind
Jun 15 16:55:11 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 16:55:28 <nebula> i was like..hmm... is my memory going?
Jun 15 16:55:36 <bsiegel> summatusmentis: I have one, I am going to work a bit on examining the plumbing and how mojo talks to java, and if I have a proof of concept I will try it when I get home today
Jun 15 16:55:47 <chrisa> My initial glance gave the impression that it was considered an official response
Jun 15 16:56:23 <jblebrun> Is anyone docing what they find about the mojo services/dbus/java relationships?
Jun 15 16:56:30 <nebula> oh no no
Jun 15 16:56:32 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: cool
Jun 15 16:56:45 <nebula> just a "strong suggestion" is how i took it
Jun 15 16:56:45 <summatusmentis> jblebrun: sounds like bsiegel will be
Jun 15 16:57:07 <summatusmentis> but it's appreciated that the strong suggestion was not made by lawyers
Jun 15 16:57:22 <nebula> chrisa: someone wrote an article referencing the wiki, and made it sound a bit more harsh
Jun 15 16:57:34 <jblebrun> bsiegel: Are you going to keep notes somewhere publicly viewable
Jun 15 16:57:35 <jblebrun> ?
Jun 15 16:57:42 <jblebrun> That engadget article is bullocks
Jun 15 16:57:53 <chrisa> I'm not clear on how manadatory updates are stiffling for hackers
Jun 15 16:58:04 <chrisa> We don't nuke the full fs, the image would be enormous
Jun 15 16:58:10 <summatusmentis> I don't think they are, unless they break things
Jun 15 16:58:16 <mikewx> engadget is sensationalist bs
Jun 15 16:58:23 <summatusmentis> Engadget seems to have blown things way out of proportion
Jun 15 16:58:31 <chrisa> Eng was pretty neutral/supportive pre-launch
Jun 15 16:58:36 <jblebrun> That's what media does,I guess
Jun 15 16:58:36 <chrisa> Now the articles seem to have a lot more spin
Jun 15 16:58:38 <bsiegel> I will have to learn more about dbus. I have good background with linux but I have only a cursory knowledge of dbus at present.
Jun 15 16:59:04 <summatusmentis> and even if the updates break things, so long as root isn't broken, we should be fine
Jun 15 16:59:09 <jblebrun> bsiegel: That's my problem
Jun 15 16:59:17 <bsiegel> I work with low-level manipulation of managed code though, so the Java part should not be an issue.
Jun 15 16:59:24 <chrisa> bsiegel: it's a straightforward ipc protocol. Bind app methods to callbacks that can be accessed on the bus
Jun 15 16:59:30 <nebula> the engadget article does seem blatently wrong
Jun 15 16:59:43 <summatusmentis> nebula: I don't know if "blatently wrong" is fair,
Jun 15 17:00:03 <summatusmentis> it doesn't show an understanding of the situation, and it's rather sensationalist
Jun 15 17:00:45 <bsiegel> jblebrun: I'll keep some private notes but until I have something useful or interesting I won't bother anyone to get wiki access.
Jun 15 17:00:47 <summatusmentis> but it doesn't say anywhere that updates will break things for hackers, or that Palm is being a huge harda** about tethering
Jun 15 17:01:01 <nebula> summatusmentis: but they do call us talented, so i digress ;)
Jun 15 17:01:06 <bsiegel> I'll write updates here though as I go through it
Jun 15 17:01:11 <summatusmentis> nebula: they're journalists :)
Jun 15 17:01:14 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 17:01:17 <nebula> true
Jun 15 17:01:24 <jblebrun> nebula: All my friends at work are asking me why I'm not running the NES emulator yet :-|
Jun 15 17:01:30 <nebula> there goes that grain of salt!
Jun 15 17:01:34 <nebula> jblebrun: hah
Jun 15 17:01:36 <nebula> nice
Jun 15 17:02:09 <jblebrun> I'm really getting tired of iPhone owners
Jun 15 17:02:15 <|wikka|> is the ps1 emulator video real? anyone got it working ?
Jun 15 17:02:18 <acekard> what can i do by enabling the optware package feed
Jun 15 17:02:36 <bsiegel> I think many of us have actually been extremely pleased with Palm's stance on our work. That is to say, by not going all Apple about it.
Jun 15 17:02:56 <nebula> |wikka|: looks fake to me
Jun 15 17:03:10 <nebula> there's no links to proof or code
Jun 15 17:03:18 <jblebrun> I think Palm's set a new precedent in hacker acceptance :-)
Jun 15 17:03:23 <nebula> and the OP seems to like posing "funny videos"
Jun 15 17:03:24 <jblebrun> At least, in my limited experience
Jun 15 17:03:26 <|wikka|> so i heard, but there were links to downloads and instructions.. was wondering if anyoen bothered to verify it
Jun 15 17:03:32 <blau-mikeDG> until they pee in our butts :(
Jun 15 17:03:51 <nebula> no links or instructions, just silly java references that mean nothing
Jun 15 17:04:16 <|wikka|> oh :/
Jun 15 17:04:25 <nebula> trust me, i looked
Jun 15 17:04:27 <nebula> :)
Jun 15 17:04:42 <nebula> look at the OP's other videos
Jun 15 17:04:52 <nebula> he seems to be "all of the sudden" coding
Jun 15 17:05:12 <blau-mikeDG> i wish someone would send us some cool pre accessories
Jun 15 17:05:23 <nebula> but i don't have evidence it doesn't exist other than the lack of instructions/code
Jun 15 17:05:35 <bsiegel> I dunno about acceptance, but the fact that they've had a full week to pull the webos doctor or to send out cease and desist letters and haven't done anything bodes well. Not to mention the sheer pleasure it is that they dogfooded for all the internal apps, and because of that we can look at the source for something that is annoying or broken and fix it.
Jun 15 17:05:37 <blau-mikeDG> ffor making the pre awesome
Jun 15 17:06:09 <nebula> i believe they will close it more if people abuse it too much
Jun 15 17:06:13 <nebula> and only then
Jun 15 17:06:21 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: I've been wishing some palm employee somewhere would see that I'm being useful, and offer to send me a Pre :-P
Jun 15 17:06:36 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 17:06:37 <summatusmentis> nebula: I'd tend to agree, but they haven't said anything of the sort
Jun 15 17:06:40 <blau-mikeDG> i was hoping for a free job :(
Jun 15 17:07:00 <jblebrun> Yeah, no kidding, where are the head-hunters? ;-)
Jun 15 17:07:02 <nebula> Sargun and I already tried that
Jun 15 17:07:03 <nebula> haha
Jun 15 17:07:24 <Shan-10> Hi
Jun 15 17:07:31 <nebula> yo
Jun 15 17:07:33 <summatusmentis> hi Shan-10
Jun 15 17:07:35 <Shan-10> Do we have any Pre Dev Wiki Administrators online right now?
Jun 15 17:07:42 <bsiegel> On another topic, has there been any headway with qemu?
Jun 15 17:07:57 <summatusmentis> bsiegel: not that I've seen
Jun 15 17:08:03 <summatusmentis> Shan-10: what do you mean by Administrators?
Jun 15 17:08:16 <summatusmentis> owner? people with write acces?
Jun 15 17:08:27 <Shan-10> Owner or people that can edit the wiki
Jun 15 17:08:40 <Sargun> Shan-1, what's up
Jun 15 17:08:44 <summatusmentis> owner is not here, I'm not sure who all has write access
Jun 15 17:09:58 <bpadalino|work> what's going on ?
Jun 15 17:10:02 <nebula> yeah, wth?
Jun 15 17:10:06 <nebula> :)
Jun 15 17:10:20 <summatusmentis> ?
Jun 15 17:10:32 <nebula> is there a problem with the wiki, Shan-10?
Jun 15 17:10:54 <|wikka|> heh
Jun 15 17:11:12 <Shan-10> @nebula no, just an e-mail that I sent to Sargun. I'm talking to him right now. Thanks!
Jun 15 17:11:19 <nebula> ok cool
Jun 15 17:11:26 <bpadalino|work> interesting
Jun 15 17:11:38 <|wikka|> nebula: just looked at the "instructions".. it *is* a bunch of gibberish .. i guess i should have actually read a sentence or two before
Jun 15 17:11:54 <summatusmentis> bpadalino|work: what's interesting?
Jun 15 17:12:03 * jblebrun waits for interesting fact
Jun 15 17:12:06 <nebula> gibberish until someone can write it better :)
Jun 15 17:13:26 <bpadalino|work> interesting fact: i can get a test java dbus app to connect ot the dbus app after i use dbus-send but not by itself :(
Jun 15 17:13:35 <bpadalino|work> not very interesting to other people i think
Jun 15 17:13:54 <jblebrun> It sounds interesting to me
Jun 15 17:14:38 <bpadalino|work> it says it failed to connect to the dbus and say Hello to the system or the session
Jun 15 17:14:48 <Shan-10> Has anyone here developed webOS apps?
Jun 15 17:15:04 <jblebrun> shan-10: evanpro has written a location tracking app
Jun 15 17:15:05 <bpadalino|work> shan-10, evanpro was working with mojo i recall
Jun 15 17:15:12 <Shan-10> @Sargun: I replied to your PM, not sure if you received it or not
Jun 15 17:15:21 <summatusmentis> Shan-10: there's no SDK, most people have just modified existing ones
Jun 15 17:15:23 <jblebrun> I'm working on an app now
Jun 15 17:15:30 <summatusmentis> but as others have said, EvanPro_ has :)
Jun 15 17:15:35 <mdklein_> hrm, I bought a touchstone charger, and I still forgot to charge my phone all weekend... luckily I have spare micro-usb cables at work
Jun 15 17:15:42 <nebula> someone was working on the streaming app... i wish that went public
Jun 15 17:15:51 <Sargun> mdklein, I love the touchstone, don't you
Jun 15 17:15:55 <jblebrun> The SDK will be useful for docs and debugger... actually creating a new app is pretty straightforward
Jun 15 17:16:02 <deepthoughtsoft> i got the streaming app working
Jun 15 17:16:05 <nebula> Sargun: rub it in!
Jun 15 17:16:10 <mdklein_> Sargun: yeah, when I remember to use it :-p
Jun 15 17:16:11 <jblebrun> oh, yeah, zinge was playing with gstreamer
Jun 15 17:16:21 <Shan-10> Ive finally got the SDK and emulator as well. I'm not sure how to submit apps yet though, Palm hasn't posted anything about that in their developer portal.
Jun 15 17:16:26 <Sargun> nebula, get one.
Jun 15 17:16:28 <bpadalino|work> the only mod to the apps i did was to make them all visible ..
Jun 15 17:16:39 <nebula> Sargun: sold out until the 30th :(
Jun 15 17:16:40 <bpadalino|work> so i see the streaming app and the dev mode enabler
Jun 15 17:16:43 <jblebrun> shan-10: What's yoru app idea?
Jun 15 17:16:43 <Sargun> Shan-10, how did you get the SDK?
Jun 15 17:16:45 <nebula> for $49 that is
Jun 15 17:17:02 <mdklein_> I had a sprint premier coupon so got 25% off... I'm not sure it's worth full price, but it's nice
Jun 15 17:17:07 <nebula> Shan-10: remember the NDA, please ;)
Jun 15 17:17:15 <Sargun> nebula, http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3584153
Jun 15 17:17:19 <bpadalino|work> i am thinking of getting another touchstone for the office ...
Jun 15 17:17:28 <mdklein_> I wish it included cables...
Jun 15 17:17:31 <Sargun> bpadalino|work, I have one for the office, and one for work
Jun 15 17:17:43 <mdklein_> it would make it easier to swallow the cost, if it included another wall-wart and cable
Jun 15 17:17:44 <Shan-10> I'm not sharing anything about the SDK and emulator
Jun 15 17:17:54 <bsiegel> Apparently the PalmServiceBridge object materializes out of nowhere ...
Jun 15 17:18:09 <jblebrun> bsiegel: It's probably a host object in webkit
Jun 15 17:18:16 <bsiegel> Yep that's what I am discovering
Jun 15 17:18:45 <bpadalino|work> sargun, do you have 1 microusb cable total with your purchase, or were there 2 in there ?
Jun 15 17:18:50 <bpadalino|work> one with the touchstone and one with the pre ?
Jun 15 17:19:02 <jblebrun> bsiegel: It appears a lot in strings for libWebkit.so
Jun 15 17:19:25 <Lurking_Grue> Bp: My Touchstone didn't include the cable... rather irritating.
Jun 15 17:19:31 <bsiegel> Yeah I got a match in libWebKitLuna.so
Jun 15 17:19:47 <bpadalino|work> yeah, i am wondering if just the charging dock comes with one or not ..
Jun 15 17:19:53 <nebula> http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3671708
Jun 15 17:20:03 <jblebrun> bsiegel: Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry
Jun 15 17:20:09 <Bales> 70 bucks for a touchstone but no cable = lame
Jun 15 17:20:19 <bpadalino|work> bales, it's a touchstone + back cover. .
Jun 15 17:20:19 <Sargun> bpadalino, I bought the touchstone kit @ the store, and then bought: http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3584153
Jun 15 17:20:22 <bpadalino|work> it's $50 for the touchstone
Jun 15 17:20:25 <jblebrun> the things prefixed with WebCore seem worth investigating
Jun 15 17:20:46 <bpadalino|work> ah, the charging expansion kit
Jun 15 17:21:13 <bpadalino|work> i'll have to get that for work
Jun 15 17:21:18 <Bales> http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3671707&cp=3635531&shCMS=1&parentPage=family&catsId=3635531
Jun 15 17:21:56 <bpadalino|work> yep - that's what i got
Jun 15 17:22:13 <bpadalino|work> i need to say, i like the rubberized back of the touchstone cover over the one that comes with it i think
Jun 15 17:22:19 <Bales> definately
Jun 15 17:22:25 <nebula> ok, i'm sold.
Jun 15 17:22:46 <bpadalino|work> buybuybuy
Jun 15 17:22:49 <Bales> get it from precentral...much cheaper
Jun 15 17:22:53 <nebula> coz i hate how the original one creaks
Jun 15 17:23:03 <nebula> Bales: gotta wait until the 30th
Jun 15 17:23:04 <nebula> :(
Jun 15 17:23:05 * ripper hopes a $10 Chinese knock-off touchstone materializes soon.
Jun 15 17:23:15 <Bales> ahh
Jun 15 17:23:18 <Bales> boo
Jun 15 17:23:28 <Sargun> Buy it from Palm.. Worship Palm.
Jun 15 17:23:33 <bpadalino|work> bales, precentral has touchstones for cheaper ?
Jun 15 17:23:40 <nebula> Sargun: i may break
Jun 15 17:23:41 <jblebrun> OMG
Jun 15 17:23:41 <Bales> i'm hoping they make a touchstone vehicle charger
Jun 15 17:23:48 <jblebrun> I love the tethering cartoon on precentral
Jun 15 17:23:54 <Bales> bpadalino|work yes, but not available till the 30th
Jun 15 17:23:56 <bpadalino|work> ah
Jun 15 17:24:05 <Bales> http://store.precentral.net/palm-touchstone-charging-kit-dockback-cover/5A100A5628.htm
Jun 15 17:24:39 <summatusmentis> the whole kit is $50 at precentral
Jun 15 17:25:07 <Hamzifer> from what i read on that page, it's just the stone
Jun 15 17:25:11 <blau-mikeDG> not in stock tho
Jun 15 17:25:17 <Hamzifer> you still need to use your existing power lead to power the stone
Jun 15 17:25:25 <blau-mikeDG> oh yeah thats on them all
Jun 15 17:25:30 <blau-mikeDG> it includes the cover tho
Jun 15 17:25:49 <Hamzifer> thats depressing
Jun 15 17:25:50 <Sargun> Shan-10, Calling me is much more effective
Jun 15 17:26:01 <Bales> yes, but its still 20 bucks cheaper than on palm site
Jun 15 17:26:06 <Bales> and in sprint store
Jun 15 17:26:46 <bsiegel> There's an extended battery at precentral too, might be useful if the issue of the IM client draining the battery doesn't get fixed :p
Jun 15 17:26:55 <bpadalino|work> i'd pay another $50 for a touchstone + usb + wall adapter for the office
Jun 15 17:26:59 <bpadalino|work> but $80 is just a lot of money
Jun 15 17:27:15 <Bales> i'm waiting to see reviews of that battery though
Jun 15 17:27:28 <Bales> just because it has more mah
Jun 15 17:27:37 <Bales> doesn't mean its better :P
Jun 15 17:27:39 <bsiegel> true
Jun 15 17:27:44 <crash_pr> im having an issue with my touchstone and read that others too
Jun 15 17:27:48 <jblebrun> It's only marginally more energy, isn't it?
Jun 15 17:28:32 <crash_pr> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=weboshardware&thread.id=653
Jun 15 17:28:45 <jblebrun> 1350mAh vs. 1150mAh
Jun 15 17:29:10 <Bales> anyone know if the seido is li-ion or li-polymer?
Jun 15 17:30:19 <jblebrun> http://mytreo.net/archives/images/2006/08/seidio-extended-battery001.jpg
Jun 15 17:30:21 <jblebrun> Looks like li-ion
Jun 15 17:30:27 <jblebrun> Oops
Jun 15 17:30:29 <jblebrun> sorry, wrong model
Jun 15 17:30:36 <jblebrun> *drinks more coffee*
Jun 15 17:31:21 <mattwearinghat> heh, our article in the knowledge base is wrong
Jun 15 17:31:24 <mattwearinghat> we don't force updates
Jun 15 17:31:28 <bpadalino|work> whoops!
Jun 15 17:31:47 <bpadalino|work> i was hoping id get to see a 10 minute coundown to destruction
Jun 15 17:31:49 <jblebrun> Someone had better tell engadget ;-)
Jun 15 17:31:50 <Sargun> mattwearinghat, hehe
Jun 15 17:31:54 <Sargun> mattwearinghat, tell 'em
Jun 15 17:31:57 <Bales> lol @ engadget
Jun 15 17:32:06 <bpadalino|work> "..it's the final countdown ... !!"
Jun 15 17:32:52 <mattwearinghat> haha
Jun 15 17:33:12 <blau-mikeDG> engadget sucks lately
Jun 15 17:34:09 <nebula> lets get a video of europe playing that song on the pre
Jun 15 17:34:12 <bpadalino|work> i am wondering how terrible my update will go when the next one get pushed ..
Jun 15 17:34:13 <nebula> send it to them
Jun 15 17:34:19 <bpadalino|work> since i've been playing around so much
Jun 15 17:34:22 <nebula> bpadalino|work: restore!
Jun 15 17:34:24 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 17:34:41 <bpadalino|work> yeah, i suppose that might be what i end up doing - and hope the backup works well
Jun 15 17:34:45 <jblebrun> *releases unverified comment into the twittersphere*
Jun 15 17:35:06 <bpadalino|work> i heard palm wrote a webos app to solve world peace ... but set visible: false
Jun 15 17:35:08 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 15 17:35:20 <jblebrun> bpadalino: LOL
Jun 15 17:35:23 <Binarytech> lol
Jun 15 17:35:50 <mikewx> good morning professor falken
Jun 15 17:36:15 <Binarytech> i invision a day when we have debian running with a full xserver on the pre...ultamate geek machine
Jun 15 17:36:24 <Sargun> blau-mikeDG, hey, I got on there, I didn't suck.
Jun 15 17:36:36 <nebula> Binarytech: if you can figure out directfb with X, sure.
Jun 15 17:36:58 <bpadalino|work> i am still trying to figure out why this small java app can't connect up to the dbus
Jun 15 17:37:03 <Lurking_Grue> Joshua
Jun 15 17:37:04 <nebula> oh, and write a mouse driver for the touchscreen heh
Jun 15 17:37:05 <jblebrun> It would be a cool tech demo, but it doesn't seem like it would be very usable
Jun 15 17:37:35 <Binarytech> nah it kind sucks due toe the touchsceen setup
Jun 15 17:37:40 <bpadalino|work> i keep getting failed to say "Hello" to bus
Jun 15 17:37:40 <Binarytech> stylus does not work
Jun 15 17:37:42 <summatusmentis> nebula: openzaurus had something with directfb/X working
Jun 15 17:37:54 <summatusmentis> wrt to their opie distirbution
Jun 15 17:38:03 <nebula> summatusmentis: details details!
Jun 15 17:38:39 <summatusmentis> it's old, I don't know how usable it is, and I'd have to go look it up, which I can't do right now
Jun 15 17:39:00 <Lurking_Grue> Bpad: The autocorrect changed the app to whirled peas.
Jun 15 17:40:05 <blau-mikeDG> peanuts!
Jun 15 17:40:05 <blau-mikeDG> give me the peanuts!
Jun 15 17:40:32 <blau-mikeDG> shrug
Jun 15 17:41:15 <Sargun> We just need some directfb god to do the touchscreen
Jun 15 17:41:59 <summatusmentis> nebula: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=xqt2 ok, so it was to run X apps on Opie/QT, which was all run on the framebuffer
Jun 15 17:42:09 <jblebrun> Doesn't the pre have a custom render pipeline on it?
Jun 15 17:42:10 <summatusmentis> I don't know much of the technical details, rwhitby might know more
Jun 15 17:43:06 <nebula> hrm, i get page not found
Jun 15 17:43:31 <summatusmentis> uh... ok
Jun 15 17:43:43 <summatusmentis> try angstrom-distribution.org/repo and search for xqt2
Jun 15 17:43:55 <nebula> i did find this: http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19341&hl=xqt
Jun 15 17:44:02 <blau-mikeDG> ohhh i wish i had an sdk
Jun 15 17:44:04 <blau-mikeDG> ohhh i wish i had an sdk
Jun 15 17:44:55 <summatusmentis> yeah, same thing, Angstrom replaced OpenZaurus, so the Angstrom stuff will be more up to date
Jun 15 17:45:03 <summatusmentis> but yeah
Jun 15 17:45:15 <nebula> nice thanks
Jun 15 17:45:57 <summatusmentis> I think the underlying stuff was Xfbdev, but like I said, not sure on the details
Jun 15 17:46:40 <summatusmentis> and actually, if we can get OpenEmbedded setup to cross compile for the Pre (similar to optware, but not), we could probably build that, or get close
Jun 15 17:46:49 * nebula -> brb
Jun 15 17:47:43 <jblebrun> mikedg: Hold it together, man ;-)
Jun 15 17:48:28 <summatusmentis> sort of speaking of SDK, we should be getting a source drop from palm soon
Jun 15 17:48:47 <summatusmentis> within a week, according to various emails to various people, from Palm
Jun 15 17:48:58 <blau-mikeDG> having an emulator or actual documentation
Jun 15 17:49:00 <Hamzifer> public release or limited release?
Jun 15 17:49:05 <blau-mikeDG> would go so far to help me with my apps
Jun 15 17:49:19 <summatusmentis> Hamzifer: well, they have to release anything GPL they used
Jun 15 17:49:39 <Hamzifer> true
Jun 15 17:49:41 <Hamzifer> wayhey
Jun 15 17:49:43 <summatusmentis> so, according to various people, that GPL software release should be happening soon
Jun 15 17:49:53 <blau-mikeDG> like now i sorta have Tags working, but it involves editing the global-search-assistant
Jun 15 17:49:57 <blau-mikeDG> which is excessively lame
Jun 15 17:50:25 <blau-mikeDG> so i can tag spaz or tweed as twitter and then not have to worry about remembering which one i want to use
Jun 15 17:50:39 <blau-mikeDG> and then i can take photos as gallery and pictures so i dont have to remember which it is
Jun 15 17:50:59 <blau-mikeDG> whee
Jun 15 17:51:13 <phb> blau-mikeDG: cool
Jun 15 17:51:28 <blau-mikeDG> but ill be damnd if im gonna trial and error a user interface with no easy way to test changes out
Jun 15 17:51:35 <blau-mikeDG> or debug
Jun 15 17:51:47 <blau-mikeDG> tail /var/log/messages is near useless :(
Jun 15 17:52:00 <jblebrun> mikedg: Have you added Mojo.Log calls?
Jun 15 17:52:41 <mrjcarter> jblebrun: thanks for the add
Jun 15 17:52:47 <jblebrun> Oh hi :-)
Jun 15 17:53:14 <blau-mikeDG> yeah, but for example an exception is getting thrown and im doing         Mojo.Log.logException(e, 'new shortcut tap');
Jun 15 17:53:24 <blau-mikeDG> and im just getting a type error with no line number shown
Jun 15 17:53:36 <jblebrun> oh :(
Jun 15 17:53:51 <mrjcarter> hey, just lurking trying to pick up on little pieces here and there
Jun 15 17:55:46 <deadchicken> i think i've sold half a dozen pre's over the last few days.
Jun 15 17:57:57 <Gadfly> Hello all. Is is possible to 'tether' a laptop's ethernet connection to the pre via wireless or bluetooth? I have my laptop connected to my work LAN, but our wireless LAN requires a cisco vpn client and vpnc won't work. So, I'd like to be able to access my work's internal network through my laptop. Does this make sense?
Jun 15 17:58:25 <blau-mikeDG> you could with a router connected to your pc
Jun 15 17:58:26 <Sargun> Gadfly, We don't talk about that...
Jun 15 17:58:29 <Gadfly> or is this subject too close to traditional tethering?
Jun 15 17:58:35 <aubilenon> that's the opposite of tethering
Jun 15 17:58:41 <blau-mikeDG> but because pre cant connect to a ad hoc network its not gonna work
Jun 15 17:58:43 <Sargun> err, wait, is it?
Jun 15 17:58:58 <en0x> yap
Jun 15 17:58:59 <Gadfly> I want my pre to utilize my laptops ethernet connection
Jun 15 17:59:00 <aubilenon> Sargun: he wants his laptop to provide network access to his pre
Jun 15 17:59:03 <aubilenon> not the other way around
Jun 15 17:59:06 * chrisa watches people squirm
Jun 15 17:59:06 <Sargun> Gadfly, Yum.. Install VPNC on your pre.
Jun 15 17:59:13 <Sargun> chrisa, -_-
Jun 15 17:59:18 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: do you know for sure that the pre can't connect to ad-hoc networks?
Jun 15 17:59:31 <blau-mikeDG> summa: not with the default setup
Jun 15 17:59:36 <blau-mikeDG> maybe its technically possible
Jun 15 17:59:37 <Gadfly> Sargun: I did that, but our wireless network requires Cisco Clean Access and doesn't work with vpnc
Jun 15 17:59:38 <summatusmentis> chrisa: well, there'd be less squirming if you weren't around all the time :-P
Jun 15 17:59:41 <summatusmentis> (not true)
Jun 15 17:59:49 <blau-mikeDG> but in practice its not doable right now
Jun 15 17:59:56 <blau-mikeDG> at least to none of my ad hoc networks
Jun 15 18:00:20 <Sargun> Gadfly, Buy: http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp
Jun 15 18:00:25 <Sargun> Gadfly, run that in your internal network
Jun 15 18:00:37 <alt_23> what is webOS?
Jun 15 18:00:54 <Sargun> alt_23, Something amazing.
Jun 15 18:01:02 <Sargun> Gadfly, then get a box outside, have it VPN to that, and advertise the routes to the internal network
Jun 15 18:01:12 <alt_23> you guys have been talking bout it quite a lottt
Jun 15 18:01:22 <Sargun> Gadfly, then install openvpn on your pre, and have it VPN to the box on the outside, and receive routes from the outside box.
Jun 15 18:01:25 <Sargun> Gadfly, got it?
Jun 15 18:01:28 <summatusmentis> whois alt_23
Jun 15 18:01:38 <summatusmentis> er... I can't type
Jun 15 18:01:45 <Gadfly> Sargun: yes. I've got a meeting to run to, but I'll try that, Thanks!
Jun 15 18:01:55 <summatusmentis> that's all I wanted :)
Jun 15 18:02:14 <en0x> oh iphone dev
Jun 15 18:02:46 <Sargun> iPhone dev?
Jun 15 18:03:05 <Sargun> I wonder how many people have purchased a Pre because of us.
Jun 15 18:03:16 <j0sh> haha
Jun 15 18:03:20 <en0x> Sargun: summatusmentis asked who is alt_23 and i said that he develops for iphone
Jun 15 18:03:26 <j0sh> well i knew i was getting one months before it came out =p
Jun 15 18:03:27 <Sargun> ah.
Jun 15 18:03:32 * Sargun as well
Jun 15 18:03:36 <summatusmentis> en0x: I was trying to hit /whois, and I can't type
Jun 15 18:03:47 <en0x> anyway i answered
Jun 15 18:03:50 <Sargun> It was love at first CES
Jun 15 18:03:52 <summatusmentis> thanks :)
Jun 15 18:03:55 <en0x> does your top of pre is loose?:>
Jun 15 18:04:05 <giff> set novice on
Jun 15 18:04:12 <en0x> i checked like five of them and each is loose
Jun 15 18:04:21 <j0sh> loose?
Jun 15 18:04:22 <Sargun> huh?
Jun 15 18:04:49 <summatusmentis> I assume he's talking about slider defects
Jun 15 18:04:55 <summatusmentis> and the top slider being loose
Jun 15 18:04:58 <j0sh> oh, i have no trouble with mine
Jun 15 18:05:05 <drnull> Anybody mind checking the section at the end of http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository for me about converting to /var/opt?
Jun 15 18:05:05 <en0x> summatusmentis: right
Jun 15 18:05:24 <drnull> I wrote that up this morning based on doing it last night, don't think I missed any steps...
Jun 15 18:05:24 <jblebrun> I've connected to ad-hoc networks on the Pre.
Jun 15 18:05:26 <en0x> i checked few pres at sprint store and they all had that defect
Jun 15 18:07:33 <bsiegel> en0x: I visited a Sprint repair center and the guy indicated that it seemed to be a quality control issue with the Pres. he put me on a waiting list for a new one
Jun 15 18:08:32 <en0x> i spoke to a guy and i told him that i will come back in a week when they get new pres
Jun 15 18:13:58 <Baylink> Aha!  :-)
Jun 15 18:14:11 <nebula> bleh, too many cashews.
Jun 15 18:14:17 <nebula> if there even is such a thing
Jun 15 18:14:21 <jblebrun> mmmmmmm
Jun 15 18:14:29 <Bales> ugh....its been about 21 hrs since i bought my pre....my verizon number still hasn't transfered yet :(
Jun 15 18:14:56 <nebula> yeah porting is awkward
Jun 15 18:15:02 <nebula> depends on both carriers
Jun 15 18:15:19 <Baylink> There's never too many cashews.  Now, if they're honey roasted...
Jun 15 18:15:23 <Sargun> ?
Jun 15 18:15:30 <Sargun> Baylink, are you a ferry
Jun 15 18:15:38 <Baylink> Nope.  :-)
Jun 15 18:15:48 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 15 18:16:02 <jblebrun> That was borderline HR violation ;-)
Jun 15 18:16:31 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 18:16:34 <Baylink> Yeah, it took me a second to figure out what he was asking.
Jun 15 18:16:35 <bsiegel> Interesting... "Could got get an instance of LunaServiceManager. Try running with luna-dbus start; luna-dbus run <executable>."
Jun 15 18:16:42 <tlp> has anyone got a decent ssh client going on the Pre?
Jun 15 18:16:54 <summatusmentis> a "ferry"? what is a ferry?
Jun 15 18:17:05 <Sargun> http://www.google.com/search?q=baylink&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.gentoo:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Jun 15 18:17:08 <summatusmentis> tlp: ssh client, yes. GUI interface for it? no
Jun 15 18:17:12 <Bales> you know...a boat you take to get across small bodies of water
Jun 15 18:17:13 <Baylink> There's a San Francisco Bay ferry service called "Baylink"
Jun 15 18:17:15 <jblebrun> summatus: I'm guessing that some metro area has a ferry across a bay, and calls it "BayLink"
Jun 15 18:17:17 <summatusmentis> (written in vb, to track IPs)
Jun 15 18:17:18 <tlp> summatusmentis: so you'd need the web terminal or wahtever?
Jun 15 18:17:19 <Baylink> which I think I predate.
Jun 15 18:17:21 <jblebrun> Oh that's here in SF?
Jun 15 18:17:25 <summatusmentis> tlp: yeah
Jun 15 18:17:28 <Sargun> jblebrun, you're here in SF?
Jun 15 18:17:32 <jblebrun> Oui
Jun 15 18:17:34 <nebula> and i'm seen in outer space
Jun 15 18:17:34 <Baylink> My domain went up in 93 or 94, IIRC.
Jun 15 18:17:37 <summatusmentis> oh, wow, totally missed that
Jun 15 18:17:38 <Sargun> jblebrun, what city
Jun 15 18:17:43 <jblebrun> I'm at work in RWC at the moment, but I live in SF
Jun 15 18:17:47 <Baylink> 43/M/FL.
Jun 15 18:17:48 <Baylink> :-)
Jun 15 18:17:58 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 15 18:18:07 <nebula> asl!!?!?!oneone111!!?!?!
Jun 15 18:18:12 <jblebrun> CAM?
Jun 15 18:18:18 <mrjcarter> haha
Jun 15 18:18:20 * summatusmentis goes to hack on OpenAFS some more
Jun 15 18:18:23 <nebula> roar.
Jun 15 18:18:27 <Baylink> Hey!  Only one 'one' per line
Jun 15 18:18:38 <Sargun> summatusmentis, OpenAFS is scary.
Jun 15 18:18:38 <Baylink> Wow.  Right crowd in here, I see.  :-)
Jun 15 18:18:55 <jblebrun> We're prel33t
Jun 15 18:19:03 <summatusmentis> Sargun: it is, a bit, but Google pays me to work w/ them, so I do
Jun 15 18:19:18 <Sargun> I wonder what the average age is in this channel.
Jun 15 18:19:27 <Sargun> location, and the breakdown by sex
Jun 15 18:19:30 <nebula> young
Jun 15 18:19:37 <bpadalino|work> early 20's ? late teens ?
Jun 15 18:19:40 <summatusmentis> I'm 20, in the eastern US
Jun 15 18:19:47 <mrjcarter> 21 eastern us
Jun 15 18:19:49 <jblebrun> E[A/S/L]
Jun 15 18:20:03 <nebula> 29
Jun 15 18:20:06 <jblebrun> 29
Jun 15 18:20:13 <summatusmentis> old!
Jun 15 18:20:13 <tlp> 21
Jun 15 18:20:14 <en0x> anyone from boston?
Jun 15 18:20:17 <bsiegel> 24
Jun 15 18:20:19 <Sargun> 18, SJC.
Jun 15 18:20:26 <nebula> en0x: i work in cambridge
Jun 15 18:20:27 <Bales> wow
Jun 15 18:20:38 <en0x> nebula: oh i work close to u
Jun 15 18:20:41 <Bales> did i stumble upon an aol chatroom?
Jun 15 18:20:48 <tlp> hah
Jun 15 18:20:48 <summatusmentis> Bales: wanna cyber?
Jun 15 18:20:49 <nebula> haha
Jun 15 18:21:13 <jblebrun> wow
Jun 15 18:21:16 <MTW> where the hell is the eos
Jun 15 18:21:19 <jblebrun> instead degeneration
Jun 15 18:21:20 <Bales> ....
Jun 15 18:21:22 <jblebrun> *instant
Jun 15 18:21:23 <MTW> i hate the pre's form factor
Jun 15 18:21:29 <summatusmentis> MTW: that's not been announced yet
Jun 15 18:21:37 <summatusmentis> Bales: that was a joke :-P
Jun 15 18:21:54 <Sargun> MTW, the Pre's form factor hates you
Jun 15 18:22:04 <en0x> :)
Jun 15 18:22:10 <MTW> sargun :(
Jun 15 18:22:20 <nebula> wtf... someone just posted a bulletin-board article about collard-greens
Jun 15 18:22:22 <Bales> yeah i know...but the fact you went there left me speachless
Jun 15 18:22:24 * jblebrun_irssi tries a real IRC client
Jun 15 18:22:39 <summatusmentis> Bales: haha, all in good fun
Jun 15 18:22:45 <summatusmentis> jblebrun: there's nothing more real than irssi
Jun 15 18:22:49 <Baylink> Behave, kids.  :-)  So, who's hacking on end-user stuff; anyone?
Jun 15 18:23:07 <jblebrun> baylink: I made PDFs rotatable
Jun 15 18:23:07 <summatusmentis> some people
Jun 15 18:23:07 <Baylink> I saw someone on the forums with per-call duration and multiple launcher pages; what else is going on?
Jun 15 18:23:19 <psykoz> so has anyone written an actual Luna capable app yet?  or we still at the point where we're just loading our own software that we either have to launch via ssh or the web-shell app?
Jun 15 18:23:20 <Baylink> Anyone get the mime-types working for PDF and WAV links?
Jun 15 18:23:25 <Sargun> Baylink, I wrote a program that does emergency tracking
Jun 15 18:23:34 * nebula is pushing the pre to the limits by compiling vlc player
Jun 15 18:23:36 <Baylink> Eek!  Cool, Sargun.
Jun 15 18:23:45 <summatusmentis> someone else wrote an app that tracks himself, and publishes it :)
Jun 15 18:23:53 <jblebrun_irssi> psykoz: evanpro wrote a GUI app with launcher icon
Jun 15 18:23:57 <Baylink> Submitted for your approval: Palm is crazy like a fox, and let that leak on purpose.
Jun 15 18:24:19 <psykoz> jblebrun_irssi, cool ;)  just checking
Jun 15 18:24:35 <jblebrun_irssi> It's quite easy to write new webOS apps.
Jun 15 18:24:38 <summatusmentis> Bales: let what leak?
Jun 15 18:24:44 <summatusmentis> no, Baylink*
Jun 15 18:25:05 <Sargun> Baylink, the "leak" only gave us the novacom drivers
Jun 15 18:25:15 <summatusmentis> oh that, that's not a leak
Jun 15 18:25:17 <Baylink> I thought the entire image came out of the leaked flasher
Jun 15 18:25:24 <nebula> no leak
Jun 15 18:25:31 <summatusmentis> the leaked flasher available at palm.com/rom ?
Jun 15 18:25:34 <summatusmentis> that one? :-P
Jun 15 18:25:36 <Baylink> Yeah
Jun 15 18:25:36 <nebula> it was at palm.com/rom
Jun 15 18:25:41 <Lurking_Grue> Not a leak.
Jun 15 18:25:48 <blau-mikeDG> can anyone find the part of clock that actually plays the alarm sound
Jun 15 18:25:48 <Baylink> Hmmm.
Jun 15 18:25:52 <blau-mikeDG> i wanna tinker with it
Jun 15 18:26:10 <Baylink> Ok, back up a notch, then, and assume that their CLAF was *not requiring a signature on the image*
Jun 15 18:26:20 <Baylink> I still think this was purposeful.
Jun 15 18:26:30 * Sargun slaps Baylink around with a trout
Jun 15 18:26:40 * Baylink ducks, just in time.
Jun 15 18:26:44 <Baylink> Nyahh.  :-P
Jun 15 18:27:06 <summatusmentis> ok, seriously, I'm out
Jun 15 18:27:10 * Baylink hasn't been in a channel full of hackers for far too long.
Jun 15 18:27:18 <jblebrun> mikedg: grep for "Play"
Jun 15 18:27:37 <Baylink> Even if I gotta duck the trout.
Jun 15 18:27:39 <tav> heh!
Jun 15 18:27:54 <tav> so which channel should one hang out in?
Jun 15 18:27:55 <Baylink> It will keep me busy until #ChuckMeMonday tonight, with my spandy new X61 laptop.
Jun 15 18:28:12 <Baylink> What do you want to hack today, tav?
Jun 15 18:28:12 <blau-mikeDG> i did, didnt look like what i wanted ill look again tho
Jun 15 18:29:04 <jblebrun_irssi> Oh, it's all commented out. My bad.
Jun 15 18:30:25 <tav> Baylink: i'm interested in developing/helping-develop libraries which make developer life easier
Jun 15 18:30:48 <tav> useful abstractions make me happy =)
Jun 15 18:31:06 <Baylink> You're familiar with the current layout, right tav?  Have you seen the rough cuts on the Ora book?
Jun 15 18:31:17 <bdumm> Baylink, the video/instructions said "have fun" so well we have been... :)
Jun 15 18:31:29 <tav> yeah, i've bought the book
Jun 15 18:31:40 <jblebrun_irssi> The book is a little on the disappointing side, as a whole
Jun 15 18:31:43 <jblebrun_irssi> but it's got some useful tidbits
Jun 15 18:32:33 <Baylink> Yeah; it was really early, but the block diagram is probably helpful for tav.
Jun 15 18:33:48 <bdumm> just curious, has any tried rooting a pre but not going into dev mode?
Jun 15 18:33:59 <tav> Baylink: talking about figure 1.9 or .... ?
Jun 15 18:34:07 <jblebrun_irssi> mikedg: models/alarm.js has an mp3 file reference
Jun 15 18:34:51 * konsolePre is slowing getting a nice linux environment going on... dyndns + ssh + centerim... lol... thank goodness for that optware repository
Jun 15 18:35:00 <tav> Baylink: this one: http://img.skitch.com/20090615-k96ej2uyf7htapcw742mcs29ye.png
Jun 15 18:35:29 <mikewx> heh, dynadns. that's a good idea
Jun 15 18:35:36 <tav> [private url -- pls do not share]
Jun 15 18:37:46 <Baylink> I believe it was 1.9, yes; I subscribed to Safari for that book, but it's been a busy week.
Jun 15 18:37:47 <nebula> tav: channel is publically logged
Jun 15 18:38:01 <tav> nebula: doh!
Jun 15 18:38:45 <nebula> though i think that was in the slides of the sdk webinar
Jun 15 18:38:47 <tav> nebula: hmz, is there a way of doing off-log messages? in #esp, we use a leading # which the logger respects, in other channels, some loggers respect a leading [off]
Jun 15 18:38:54 <blau-mikeDG> jblebrun:yeah ive been going around in circles tyrign to see exactly where it plays the sound, app-assistant takes a ring parameter then creates a new stage and pushes the ring scene onto it
Jun 15 18:39:00 <nebula> tav: check with rwhitby
Jun 15 18:39:04 <blau-mikeDG> perhaps i jsut dont udnerstand sound yet
Jun 15 18:39:32 <tav> nebula: thanks
Jun 15 18:39:40 <asedeno_work_afk> http://developer.palm.com/webos_book/book8.html works as a link to that image.
Jun 15 18:40:30 <tav> and asedeno_home_afk saves my arse -- thanks man!
Jun 15 18:40:42 <asedeno_work_afk> and now back to being afk. =P
Jun 15 18:40:50 <bsiegel> Interesting URI: palm://com.palm.messaging/sms/sendSMSNoDBSave
Jun 15 18:41:06 <jblebrun_irssi> mikeDG: what are you trying to do exactly? just change the sound?
Jun 15 18:41:08 <tav> having worked in open source projects all the while, it's strange having to be cautious about what you share
Jun 15 18:41:09 <blau-mikeDG> oo
Jun 15 18:41:14 <Sargun> bsiegel, where did you find that
Jun 15 18:41:19 <Sargun> tav, no.
Jun 15 18:41:23 <blau-mikeDG> jble: figure out how to fade in the sound
Jun 15 18:41:31 <Sargun> tav, have you ever worked with phone equipment before?
Jun 15 18:41:36 <bsiegel> I decompiled usr\lib\luna\java\accountservices\com\palm\accountservices\NovaAccountService.class
Jun 15 18:41:41 <mib_c1dznzhf> gfdg
Jun 15 18:41:42 <mib_c1dznzhf> dfgdfgdfg
Jun 15 18:41:43 <mib_c1dznzhf> df
Jun 15 18:41:43 <mib_c1dznzhf> gdf
Jun 15 18:41:44 <mib_c1dznzhf> g
Jun 15 18:41:46 <mib_c1dznzhf> df
Jun 15 18:41:48 <mib_c1dznzhf> gd
Jun 15 18:41:50 <mib_c1dznzhf> fg
Jun 15 18:41:52 <mib_c1dznzhf> dfg
Jun 15 18:41:54 <asedeno_work_afk> stop that
Jun 15 18:41:54 <mib_c1dznzhf> df
Jun 15 18:41:56 <jblebrun_irssi> Oh nice
Jun 15 18:41:56 <mib_c1dznzhf> g
Jun 15 18:41:57 * Bales slaps mib_c1dznzhf around a bit with a large trout
Jun 15 18:41:58 <mib_c1dznzhf> fg
Jun 15 18:42:00 <mib_c1dznzhf> f
Jun 15 18:42:02 <blau-mikeDG> dude wtf
Jun 15 18:42:06 <Sargun> sorry about that guys...
Jun 15 18:42:08 <tav> thanks Sargun
Jun 15 18:42:32 <mikewx> our hero!
Jun 15 18:42:35 <blau-mikeDG> thanks
Jun 15 18:42:36 <en0x> u should write an alias for baning and kicking
Jun 15 18:42:36 <en0x> :)
Jun 15 18:42:47 <tav> Sargun: nope -- a virgin w.r.t NDAs and all that
Jun 15 18:43:20 <Sargun> tav, Alright... Get familiar with the consumer electronics industry, and especially phone networks
Jun 15 18:43:42 <en0x> Sargun: /^msg chanserv op $C $N; /wait 50; /ban $0 $1-; /^msg chanserv op $C -$N;
Jun 15 18:43:45 <en0x> :)
Jun 15 18:44:15 <Sargun> All that shows is that I'm spending too much time on IRC
Jun 15 18:44:37 <bsiegel> Also somewhat interesting:    sendMessage("palm://com.palm.lunabus/signal/registerServerStatus", "{\"serviceName\":\"com.palm.appinstaller\", \"subscribe\":true}", "subscribeToAppDeletions");
Jun 15 18:45:30 <summatusmentis> ok, I lied, I'm back
Jun 15 18:45:52 <summatusmentis> hey, bsiegel, do you mind posting file paths and line numbers, and not direcl code samples?
Jun 15 18:46:02 <summatusmentis> direct*
Jun 15 18:46:07 <bsiegel> I would but this is output from jad
Jun 15 18:46:18 <bsiegel> So other peoples output may be different
Jun 15 18:46:23 <summatusmentis> I see, ok
Jun 15 18:46:31 <summatusmentis> thanks
Jun 15 18:46:32 <blau-mikeDG> oh come on
Jun 15 18:46:34 <bsiegel> sure thing
Jun 15 18:46:41 <blau-mikeDG> its a single line in no context
Jun 15 18:46:56 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: it's still copyrighted (would be)
Jun 15 18:47:13 <blau-mikeDG> i dont know abaout that
Jun 15 18:47:13 <bsiegel> actually it's only part of a line >.>
Jun 15 18:47:20 <blau-mikeDG> i can come up with the same line
Jun 15 18:47:24 <bsiegel> to be all technical
Jun 15 18:47:26 <blau-mikeDG> and im sure thousands of others can
Jun 15 18:47:42 <blau-mikeDG> but eh
Jun 15 18:47:46 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: copyright, doesn't mean patent
Jun 15 18:47:48 <Lurking_Grue> Summ: Think that falls under fair use ;)
Jun 15 18:47:55 <asedeno_work_afk> ==
Jun 15 18:48:13 <summatusmentis> Lurking_Grue: it may, I'm probably a bit anal
Jun 15 18:48:30 <Lurking_Grue> How about adding jokes to the code and calling it parody.
Jun 15 18:48:36 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 18:48:37 <jblebrun_irssi> It's good that people are being extra-careful in here, even if it seems silly sometimes.
Jun 15 18:48:51 <summatusmentis> but still, just good policy to give line numbers instead of code
Jun 15 18:48:56 <blau-mikeDG> sendMessage("palm://com.palm.lunabus/signal/registerServerStatus", "{\"serviceName\":\"com.palm.appinstaller\", \"subscribe\":true}", "subscribeToAppDeletions"); //That's what she said!
Jun 15 18:48:59 <blau-mikeDG> :)
Jun 15 18:49:04 <Baylink> You can't really copyright down to the instruction level; that's not creativity, that's instructions.
Jun 15 18:49:05 <jblebrun_irssi> LOL
Jun 15 18:49:07 <summatusmentis> ha :)
Jun 15 18:49:10 <Baylink> You can't copyright recipies, either.
Jun 15 18:49:21 <Baylink> Hee!
Jun 15 18:49:25 <jblebrun_irssi> Method and Apparatus for baking chocolate chip cookies?
Jun 15 18:49:47 <blau-mikeDG> like lets look at this code sample
Jun 15 18:49:52 <mikewx> infringer! that was my grandmother's recipe!
Jun 15 18:50:07 <blau-mikeDG> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods for the card messaging mod
Jun 15 18:50:13 <jblebrun_irssi> mikewx: You wouldn't believe what I had to do t get it, either
Jun 15 18:50:14 <jblebrun_irssi> ;-)
Jun 15 18:50:23 <blau-mikeDG> the only lilne from the source is launchChatView: function(chatThreadId) {
Jun 15 18:50:43 <blau-mikeDG> but its completely necessary
Jun 15 18:50:54 <blau-mikeDG> eh shrug
Jun 15 18:50:55 <blau-mikeDG> i give up
Jun 15 18:51:00 <blau-mikeDG> theres no point to be made
Jun 15 18:51:13 <summatusmentis> blau-mikeDG: I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, we just want to be careful
Jun 15 18:51:40 <summatusmentis> particularly since the code available to us doesn't really have a license attached to it
Jun 15 18:52:25 <summatusmentis> which means it's not "open source" despite the source being available
Jun 15 18:53:04 <blau-mikeDG> i dont wanna play anymore
Jun 15 18:53:06 <blau-mikeDG> until i get an sdk
Jun 15 18:53:11 <blau-mikeDG> bah
Jun 15 18:54:58 <bsiegel> I think I have discovered how to register a service with luna through Java
Jun 15 18:55:33 <bpadalino|work> please, share it
Jun 15 18:55:51 <jblebrun> indeed
Jun 15 18:56:01 <bpadalino|work> i've been playing with trying to get talking with the dbus using java, and i am hit or miss with actually connecting to the bus
Jun 15 18:56:02 <nebula> share it or it didnt happen!
Jun 15 18:56:04 <bsiegel> if I can write a java app that wraps some console exec code and exposes it through luna, we could write a mojo app that talks to the service to create a terminal
Jun 15 18:56:08 <nebula> :0)
Jun 15 18:56:23 <bsiegel> You can check it out yourself, open up usr/lib/luna/java
Jun 15 18:56:34 <bsiegel> and unzip scheduler.jar
Jun 15 18:57:09 <bsiegel> then in that directory under com/palm/luna, decompoile SchedulerService.class
Jun 15 18:57:22 <bpadalino|work> implements LunaServiceThread ?
Jun 15 18:57:30 <bpadalino|work> then super(com.palm.taskScheduler") ?
Jun 15 18:57:35 <bpadalino|work> whoops
Jun 15 18:57:39 <bpadalino|work> com.palm.yournamehere
Jun 15 18:57:48 <bsiegel> yes, seems to be
Jun 15 18:57:52 <EvanPro_> hey guys, i'm back.. at work now.
Jun 15 18:58:20 <bsiegel> So each service is a LunaServiceThread which has Tasks
Jun 15 18:59:14 <bpadalino|work> oh, extends lunaservicethread
Jun 15 18:59:24 <bpadalino|work> not implements .. i was looking for an interface
Jun 15 18:59:25 <bpadalino|work> heh
Jun 15 18:59:38 <phb> someone reverse liblunaservice.so for me
Jun 15 18:59:45 <phb> and create a nice header
Jun 15 19:00:37 <jblebrun_irssi> mikedg: did you figure out the alarm thing?
Jun 15 19:01:01 <blau-mikeDG> jbl: nope :(
Jun 15 19:01:15 <bsiegel> the only thing I am curious about now is whether the service needs to register itself with the system somehow, or whether the jar will just be loaded automatically at boot time, or what
Jun 15 19:03:38 <bpadalino|work> bsiegel, start where java starts - com.palm.serviceboot.ServiceBoot with argument "start"
Jun 15 19:04:16 <bpadalino|work> i've got a good source line of code to paste...
Jun 15 19:04:17 <bpadalino|work>       System.out.println("THIS SOFTWARE IS CONFIDENTIAL -- Copyright (C) 2000-2008 Palm, Inc.  All rights reserved.");
Jun 15 19:04:19 <bpadalino|work> :)
Jun 15 19:04:30 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 19:04:50 <msw> that's a long (c)
Jun 15 19:04:59 <bpadalino|work> that's what she said!
Jun 15 19:05:03 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 15 19:05:06 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 19:05:11 <Lurking_Grue> Wooo!
Jun 15 19:05:13 <EvanPro_> haha
Jun 15 19:05:29 <nebula> snare snare crash
Jun 15 19:06:43 <bpadalino|work> thanks, i'll be here all week .. try the veal parm!!
Jun 15 19:06:53 <psykoz> ++ to the guy with the name "grue"
Jun 15 19:07:02 <psykoz> you have been eaten by a ...
Jun 15 19:07:55 <bpadalino|work> always make sure there's enough light
Jun 15 19:08:08 <bpadalino|work> you're standing in front of a white house
Jun 15 19:08:33 <jblebrun_irssi> You have been eaten by white house intern.
Jun 15 19:10:47 <nebula> ok this had better work, i've been compiling vlc for 2 hours
Jun 15 19:11:16 <bpadalino|work> it will be dog slow :(
Jun 15 19:11:31 <bpadalino|work> is vlc really that slow to compile on the host ?
Jun 15 19:11:35 * bdumm patpats nebula
Jun 15 19:11:35 <bpadalino|work> or are you using your pre to compile ?
Jun 15 19:11:36 <nebula> not sure
Jun 15 19:11:42 <bdumm> we have faith in your beta testing skillz
Jun 15 19:11:45 <nebula> using the pre to compile
Jun 15 19:11:49 <bpadalino|work> ouch!
Jun 15 19:11:50 <bdumm> good man
Jun 15 19:11:53 <nebula> since it has to use directfb
Jun 15 19:11:57 <bdumm> er nebula
Jun 15 19:12:00 <nebula> yeah i know
Jun 15 19:12:04 <nebula> i know
Jun 15 19:12:07 <nebula> ;)
Jun 15 19:12:16 <blau-mikeDG> so who wants to take the time to develop a text editor on the pre from within the text editor itself!!!
Jun 15 19:12:20 <blau-mikeDG> :)
Jun 15 19:12:22 <bpadalino|work> you can't link into a directfb library when compiling on a cross compiler ?
Jun 15 19:12:40 <nebula> beyond me, my good man.
Jun 15 19:12:50 <bpadalino|work> hrmm ..
Jun 15 19:12:54 <bdumm> bpadalino why all the work?
Jun 15 19:13:14 <bpadalino|work> what do you mean ?
Jun 15 19:13:40 <bdumm> well he knows how to do it on the Pre, and in 2 hrs vs not knowing, cross-compile env may be wrong, etc. etc.
Jun 15 19:14:11 <nebula> keep talking, it's compiling faster
Jun 15 19:14:22 <nebula> (it's near the tail of it, obviously)
Jun 15 19:14:24 <bpadalino|work> figuring out the cross compiling environment in those two hours might be nice
Jun 15 19:14:38 * bdumm chuckles
Jun 15 19:14:49 <bdumm> first thing i installed was gcc....
Jun 15 19:14:50 <bpadalino|work> compiling on the arm has got to be at least an order of magnitude slower than on the host
Jun 15 19:15:03 <bdumm> well couple libs for gcc then gcc but.. :)
Jun 15 19:15:09 <nebula> oh yeah, it's not exactly zooooomy fast
Jun 15 19:15:26 <bdumm> yea so?
Jun 15 19:15:53 <nebula> so how would one compile an app for armel from an i386?
Jun 15 19:16:07 <bdumm> cross-compile
Jun 15 19:16:09 <bpadalino|work> nebula, install a cross compiler
Jun 15 19:16:16 <nebula> cool, i'll look into it
Jun 15 19:16:26 <roxfan> like codesourcery toolchain
Jun 15 19:16:30 <chrisa> I still think most of you are insane for compiling on the device
Jun 15 19:16:35 <opie_> someone who works at engadget loves the palm pre
Jun 15 19:16:48 <roxfan> actually compiling on device gives best compatibility
Jun 15 19:16:49 <chrisa> opie_: really? They must not have been there this morning
Jun 15 19:17:00 <opie_> chrisa: why's that?
Jun 15 19:17:03 <nebula> um
Jun 15 19:17:05 <nebula> heh
Jun 15 19:17:25 <chrisa> roxfan: It's not like cross compiling is some arcane art
Jun 15 19:17:47 <bpadalino|work> chrisa, i agree with the insanity case
Jun 15 19:17:56 <summatusmentis> guys, OpenEmbedded is a pretty easy way to get cross compliing, and it seems as though the Pre used it for building the subsystem
Jun 15 19:18:05 <roxfan> http://landley.net/code/firmware/
Jun 15 19:18:20 <roxfan> palm used codesourcery from what i saw
Jun 15 19:18:41 <summatusmentis> roxfan: I might be wrong
Jun 15 19:19:34 <jblebrun_irssi> can't you just use a standard arm-* toolchain?
Jun 15 19:19:58 <roxfan> afaik there's no "standard arm-* toolchain"
Jun 15 19:20:25 <jblebrun_irssi> Sorry, standard was the wrong word.
Jun 15 19:20:45 <jblebrun_irssi> Let's replace it with "free and readily available"
Jun 15 19:20:52 <roxfan> hmm so it seems they did use OE for package management but codesourcery for compilation
Jun 15 19:21:05 <mdklein_> sweet, I think I sold a coworker on the pre, maybe he'll be in here soon ;-)
Jun 15 19:21:08 <roxfan> jblebrun: which one of the dozen or so? :)_
Jun 15 19:21:26 <roxfan> codesourcery lite is free btw
Jun 15 19:21:34 <jblebrun_irssi> try 'em all :-)
Jun 15 19:21:56 <roxfan> problem with a random toolchain is library compatibility
Jun 15 19:22:19 <roxfan> you need to pick one with matching libc
Jun 15 19:22:20 <jblebrun_irssi> calling conventions differ between them?
Jun 15 19:22:25 <bpadalino|work> no os x codesourcery package, huh ?
Jun 15 19:22:30 <roxfan> oh yes, the ABI too
Jun 15 19:23:55 <jblebrun_irssi> There are a bunch of arm-none-linux-gnueabi tools in the root image.
Jun 15 19:23:56 <benklop> So i havn't go9t a Pre, but have been following this poretty closely - How do you guys feel Palm feels about what's gonig on here?
Jun 15 19:23:58 <jblebrun_irssi> fwtw
Jun 15 19:24:16 <roxfan> yep, they're from coudesourcery
Jun 15 19:24:27 <roxfan> benklop: there's a few of them here
Jun 15 19:24:33 <benklop> I mean, did they purposely open up the device, or did some of the devs just create some very convenient backdoors?
Jun 15 19:24:37 <summatusmentis> benklop: they seem to be mostly ok with it
Jun 15 19:24:43 <jblebrun_irssi> There are no backdoors.
Jun 15 19:24:46 <summatusmentis> it was pretty open
Jun 15 19:25:05 <jblebrun_irssi> It's just standard connectivity.
Jun 15 19:25:10 <benklop> very cool :)
Jun 15 19:25:35 <benklop> i'm excited partly because linux has been my platform of choice for everything since about 2002 or so
Jun 15 19:25:49 <nebula> bpadalino|work: scratchbox?
Jun 15 19:25:55 <nebula> cross compiler?
Jun 15 19:26:03 <JohnPro> Does sprint usually answer the phones (individual stores)
Jun 15 19:26:12 <JohnPro> They are yet to pick up in a week of trying
Jun 15 19:26:14 <summatusmentis> scratchbox is another cross compile environment
Jun 15 19:26:37 <benklop> but i'm curious if this level of openness is going to lead to issues like being able to easily trick users of the phone into flashing firmware that will track their every move?
Jun 15 19:26:48 <j0sh> hahaha
Jun 15 19:26:53 <j0sh> that will be interesting
Jun 15 19:27:23 <summatusmentis> benklop: it may, I hope not, but it may
Jun 15 19:27:32 <summatusmentis> because that might get us shut down
Jun 15 19:28:00 <nebula> s/may/prolly will
Jun 15 19:28:01 <benklop> I mean, I love the idea of this much openness, but I know what i'm doing. i'm just worried for the other 90% of the population that will be using this phone...
Jun 15 19:28:34 <benklop> I guess I just wonder what sort of security is in place?
Jun 15 19:28:55 <bpadalino|work> nebula, it seems like the code sourcery thing is the way to go: http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release858
Jun 15 19:29:04 <nebula> if palm knows what they are doing, we've got nothing to worry about
Jun 15 19:29:12 <nebula> bpadalino|work: cool
Jun 15 19:29:15 <benklop> I mean, ok, yes, linux so we don't need to worry too much about remote exploits over the air, (unless you stupidly leave telnet open and use it over the air or something)
Jun 15 19:29:25 <roxfan> interestingly, it seems palm used 2007q3 release
Jun 15 19:29:42 <bpadalino|work> oh ..
Jun 15 19:29:47 <bpadalino|work> well then maybe that release should be used
Jun 15 19:30:24 <roxfan> "Source: http://subversion.palm.com/main/nova/toolchain/codesourcery-2007q3/submissions/1/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2"
Jun 15 19:30:30 <benklop> nebula: hope they know as much as it looks like, and they aren't just really fumbling behind closed doors because they accidentally left it open
Jun 15 19:30:43 <nebula> oh i doubt that
Jun 15 19:30:54 <nebula> the contra code begs to differ ;)
Jun 15 19:31:08 <benklop> true
Jun 15 19:31:12 <bpadalino|work> benklop, from the presence of palm people in the channel and actually chatting it up instead of just "no comment" or lurking ..
Jun 15 19:31:44 <nebula> i can't get over that
Jun 15 19:31:49 <bdumm> benklop, they said "have fun" so we are....
Jun 15 19:31:55 <nebula> exactly!
Jun 15 19:31:57 <benklop> also, I have heard no mention anywhare about licenses for their software. how legal are any of the mods that don't just build upon the more standard linux stuff installed?
Jun 15 19:32:12 <mikewx> how can .diff files be illegal?
Jun 15 19:32:20 <benklop> hehe
Jun 15 19:32:22 <benklop> nice
Jun 15 19:32:26 <bdumm> benklop, mods to what? all the license info is on each device
Jun 15 19:32:31 <bdumm> what more is needed?
Jun 15 19:32:36 <benklop> so it's pretty much all scripting?
Jun 15 19:32:39 <nebula> open source information . p d f
Jun 15 19:32:56 <bdumm> yea it's all there more/less for the looking or whatever
Jun 15 19:32:56 <benklop> if i had one i'd be reading that right now...
Jun 15 19:33:11 <benklop> that's really incredible :D
Jun 15 19:33:14 <jblebrun> benklop: if you had what?
Jun 15 19:33:18 <benklop> a pre
Jun 15 19:33:21 <roxfan> http://opensource.palm.com/
Jun 15 19:33:26 <benklop> i'm iin the process of saving my pennies
Jun 15 19:33:27 <mordX> benk: palm has asked to not discuss some things (well mostly one thing afaik)
Jun 15 19:33:31 <jblebrun> benklop: you can go read the code in the rootfs already
Jun 15 19:33:54 <roxfan> pdf is available on that site
Jun 15 19:33:57 <jblebrun> benklop: just go get the image mentioned in the rooting instructions on the wiki
Jun 15 19:34:00 <mordX> benk: so it's not a completely open "have fun"
Jun 15 19:34:26 <nebula> thats more carrier though
Jun 15 19:34:37 <benklop> mordX: that's probably okay, probably also shouldn't screw with the radio firmware either
Jun 15 19:34:43 <jblebrun> Man, the palm code is really inconsistent with tabs vs. spaces
Jun 15 19:34:47 <mordX> if it's carrier then sprint should be the one to stop it not palm askin to stop it....
Jun 15 19:34:55 * bdumm rolls eyes
Jun 15 19:34:58 <mordX> shrug
Jun 15 19:34:59 <nebula> palm didn't ask to stop, ugh.
Jun 15 19:35:03 <mordX> doesn't matter at the moment
Jun 15 19:35:21 <nebula> change topic!
Jun 15 19:35:39 <benklop> the "have fun" mentality is probably the best thing I can imagine....
Jun 15 19:36:19 <benklop> Oh, does the GUI / user apps / actual webos stuff run as a restricted user, not as root?
Jun 15 19:36:27 <benklop> i'm really hoping the answer is yes...
Jun 15 19:36:58 <bdumm> there are other users
Jun 15 19:37:24 <bdumm> ie your typical passwd list...
Jun 15 19:37:32 <deadchicken> jblebrun, tabs vs. spaces is in the same vein as vi vs. emacs to me.
Jun 15 19:37:48 <bsiegel> benklop: the UI stuff runs inside Webkit, only interaction with the outside world is via message passing
Jun 15 19:37:49 <deadchicken> i'm a tabs person personally
Jun 15 19:37:52 <bdumm> they have some special users like say luna but otherwise its more/less verbatim linux
Jun 15 19:37:59 <asedeno_work_afk> spaces all the way. Also, emacs. :)
Jun 15 19:38:23 <bsiegel> whether the services that respond to messages are running as root or not, I'm not sure
Jun 15 19:38:37 <drnull> benklop: I show 83 root owned processes and one pulse (pulseaudio)
Jun 15 19:39:30 <deadchicken> palm said that messing with fw and circumventing tos likely cause issues.  that's enough to avoid those here at this point.  we have a very good relationship with palm so far, lets not force them into a bad spot.
Jun 15 19:39:35 <Burnettj> ok, ran talk.py got an error and here I am
Jun 15 19:40:12 <Burnettj> ntropycycle.corp.neospire.net] has joined #noc
Jun 15 19:40:12 <j0sh> usual culprits: usb not connected, drivers not installed, running win7
Jun 15 19:40:21 <Burnettj> wrong paste buffer
Jun 15 19:40:21 <j0sh> firewall enabled
Jun 15 19:40:29 <j0sh> was it any of those
Jun 15 19:40:29 <benklop> .. pulse?? really? that's also rather amazing. that means if i turn playback of rtp streams suddenly I have low latency wifi headphones for my mythtv driven media center....
Jun 15 19:40:30 <bsiegel> also needing to reboot after installing novacom
Jun 15 19:40:48 <Burnettj> usb connected, driver installed, xp64,no firewall enabled
Jun 15 19:40:55 <asedeno_work_afk> FWIW, I never had to reboot after installing novacomd.
Jun 15 19:40:59 <j0sh> you installed the 64 bit drivers i assume
Jun 15 19:41:05 <Burnettj> yes
Jun 15 19:41:06 <j0sh> not the x86 drivers
Jun 15 19:41:12 <j0sh> what errors are you getting?
Jun 15 19:41:12 <Burnettj> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 15 19:41:20 <j0sh> oh, other usual culprit
Jun 15 19:41:24 <j0sh> using python 3.0
Jun 15 19:41:24 <asedeno_work_afk> Is novacomd running?
Jun 15 19:41:26 <j0sh> instead of 2.6
Jun 15 19:41:28 <Burnettj> oh
Jun 15 19:41:30 <benklop> deadchicken: i'm glad you all have that additude
Jun 15 19:41:35 <Burnettj> damn
Jun 15 19:41:36 <job59> again with the "good relationship" how naive can you be? it's neutral at best.
Jun 15 19:41:39 <Burnettj> I can't read
Jun 15 19:41:43 <Burnettj> sorry about that
Jun 15 19:41:43 <j0sh> yeah i had that problem too =p
Jun 15 19:41:47 <benklop> also, I had better buy one soon and start hacking before there's no hacking left to do
Jun 15 19:41:47 <PhrkOnLsh> how does fb contact sync happen on the pre?
Jun 15 19:41:48 * Burnettj retreats
Jun 15 19:41:48 <asedeno_work_afk> python 3.0 breaks it? We should fix that.
Jun 15 19:41:51 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 15 19:41:54 <j0sh> it shouldnt
Jun 15 19:41:54 <j0sh> but it does
Jun 15 19:41:59 <j0sh> i found that out the hard way
Jun 15 19:42:14 <Burnettj> Guess I'll go yank 3 and install 2.6
Jun 15 19:42:18 <jblebrun> Meh: engadget is on fire today: http://tr.im/ozVE
Jun 15 19:42:18 <Burnettj> thanks
Jun 15 19:42:20 <j0sh> yeah that fixed it for me
Jun 15 19:42:39 <Burnettj> I was wrong
Jun 15 19:42:49 <Burnettj> just went to uninstall, python 2.6.2 is what is installed
Jun 15 19:43:11 <asedeno_work_afk> Check the task manager for a novacomd.exe process. If there isn't one, start the Palm Novacom service.
Jun 15 19:43:37 <benklop> so, with what you guys have said about webkit running the gui, it sounds rather difficult to actually port apps to using the webos card interface rather than just taking the device over.
Jun 15 19:43:50 <Sargun> jblebrun, *facepalm*
Jun 15 19:44:15 <Burnettj> the process is running
Jun 15 19:44:23 <zsazs> benklop: to get 'native' code to run within a webos card would involve reverse engineering their browser plugin API
Jun 15 19:44:36 <zsazs> which isn't easy
Jun 15 19:44:38 <Burnettj> phone shoud be in usb mode, not media sync correct?
Jun 15 19:44:43 <asedeno_work_afk> mode doesn't matter.
Jun 15 19:44:49 <Burnettj> well damn
Jun 15 19:44:58 <jblebrun> sargun: that's not someone in here, is it?
Jun 15 19:45:09 <benklop> zsazs: yeah, i'd imagine. But I also imagine when the SDK comes out there will be at least some mention of it
Jun 15 19:45:11 <asedeno_work_afk> Check the device manager; does a Palm Novacom device appear?
Jun 15 19:45:34 <Sargun> jblebrun, if it is, I will personally hunt them down, and smack that.
Jun 15 19:45:35 <asedeno_work_afk> You have enabled dev mode, right?
Jun 15 19:45:36 <Burnettj> asedeno_work_afk: it's there, but says the drivers are not installed
Jun 15 19:45:43 <Sargun> s/that/them/
Jun 15 19:45:44 <Burnettj> dev mode is enabled
Jun 15 19:45:53 <zsazs> benklop: yeah, I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath
Jun 15 19:46:00 <asedeno_work_afk> try updating the drivers and letting it autodetect?
Jun 15 19:46:04 <Burnettj> I'll give it a shot
Jun 15 19:46:06 <bdumm> benklop, depending on the service->design it just may be a frontend redesign and if they have a web interface already then a lot of work is done
Jun 15 19:46:06 <Burnettj> thanks
Jun 15 19:46:38 <asedeno_work_afk> If that doesn't work, remove and rescan. And while it shouldn't be necessary, this is windows so you can try rebooting.
Jun 15 19:46:51 <bdumm> lol
Jun 15 19:46:57 <Burnettj> hehe
Jun 15 19:47:04 <asedeno_work_afk> (I'm failing at this afk thing...)
Jun 15 19:47:16 <jblebrun> _ironicafk
Jun 15 19:47:39 <benklop> hmm.. so interesting.... i can feel the money leaving my pocket already
Jun 15 19:47:44 <mikewx> it took me 15 years of irc to realize setting afk just isnt worth it
Jun 15 19:48:17 <asedeno_work_afk> It reminds me I have work to do. =)
Jun 15 19:48:21 <benklop> bdumm: so you're saying that it might just be a standard webkit plugin they're using to do the entire GUI?
Jun 15 19:48:31 <MTW> does the pre have an irc client yet?
Jun 15 19:48:35 <MTW> if not, someone should get on that shit
Jun 15 19:49:02 <bsiegel> I tried mibbit in the browser but it was pretty broken
Jun 15 19:49:06 <mikewx> client? hell i want ircd :)
Jun 15 19:49:17 <mundra> use irssi
Jun 15 19:49:17 <tlp> a basic IRC client would be pretty easy I'd think
Jun 15 19:49:20 <benklop> MTW: if what i'm hearing here is right, it sort of sounds like porting a javascript irc client to work with synergy wouldn't be hard
Jun 15 19:49:37 <bdumm> benklop, besides the mojo bits everything else has been identified as other open source stuffs i believe, right everyone?
Jun 15 19:49:39 <MTW> nice
Jun 15 19:49:54 <JohnPro> Hey everyone.  I just tracked down a Pre and will probably pick it up tonight... Before I do so any bad things about the Pre I should know?  Anything at all?
Jun 15 19:50:04 <j0sh> yeah, thats the thing, any palm-approved communication app would probably have to work with synergy
Jun 15 19:50:14 <roxfan> there is some dsp code for video decoding and whatnot
Jun 15 19:50:14 <Sargun> JohnPro, It's too sexy
Jun 15 19:50:17 <bsiegel> JohnPro: it does not yet print money
Jun 15 19:50:17 <bdumm> JohnPro, besides the paper battery trick, no
Jun 15 19:50:17 <j0sh> yeah john, battery life blows
Jun 15 19:50:31 <JohnPro> How many hours
Jun 15 19:50:32 <asedeno_work_afk> bsiegel: It might do that for Palm.
Jun 15 19:50:32 <tlp> paper battery trick?
Jun 15 19:50:33 <bdumm> it does have alien technology
Jun 15 19:50:34 <Lurking_Grue> John: It collects figerprints and smudges.  Good for OC cleaning.
Jun 15 19:50:34 <JohnPro> Of real time use?
Jun 15 19:50:35 <MTW> paper battery trick?
Jun 15 19:50:39 <doodums> best thing to do about the battery is to run it down to where it shuts off..
Jun 15 19:50:40 <Sargun> JohnPro, make sure you get a touchstone
Jun 15 19:50:45 <j0sh> prolly 3 hours of talk time
Jun 15 19:50:46 <doodums> then plug it in via usb and let it charge slow
Jun 15 19:50:47 <j0sh> or so
Jun 15 19:50:48 <bdumm> yea touchstone++
Jun 15 19:51:02 <bsiegel> true, battery life is pretty bad if you leave instant messaging signed in
Jun 15 19:51:09 <tlp> :/
Jun 15 19:51:14 <j0sh> i disabled that crap off the bat
Jun 15 19:51:16 <doodums> I did my first charge up via usb, and my pre can go pretty much 48 hours without charging.
Jun 15 19:51:17 <j0sh> screw IM
Jun 15 19:51:18 <j0sh> i can text
Jun 15 19:51:22 <bsiegel> but as I understand, deep-cycling the li-poly battery does nothing
Jun 15 19:51:26 <JohnPro> If I dim screen is it better?
Jun 15 19:51:33 <Sargun> barely
Jun 15 19:51:34 <j0sh> its li-ion
Jun 15 19:51:34 <doodums> dim your screen, turn off gps
Jun 15 19:51:34 <mikewx> a tochstone and 5 or so cabled to leave laying around places you frequent
Jun 15 19:51:35 <j0sh> not li-poly
Jun 15 19:51:35 <bsiegel> Dimming the screen does help a little
Jun 15 19:51:58 <hemna> touchstone for the car would be cool
Jun 15 19:51:59 <doodums> turn off push and opt for 15-30 minute intervals on your email
Jun 15 19:52:09 <bdumm> i look at the touchstone as the same as my power switch on my pc, the pc has a power cord, so why shouldn't the pre have a fancy one?
Jun 15 19:52:12 <Sargun> hemna, already done
Jun 15 19:52:16 <doodums> hemna: wouldn't be too hard. just buy a usb to cig lighter converter
Jun 15 19:52:16 <benklop> bsiegel: does it have cups already installed? basically, how hard would it be to make it print?
Jun 15 19:52:30 <Sargun> benklop, oh, god.
Jun 15 19:52:30 <hemna> ah yah that would work :)
Jun 15 19:52:32 <bdumm> if you could carry around your PC would you expect the battery life to last very long if at all lol
Jun 15 19:52:48 <JohnPro> What is the paper tricj?
Jun 15 19:52:49 <bsiegel> benklop: No I am pretty sure cups is not included. Maybe it is in the optware repo though,
Jun 15 19:52:51 <JohnPro> For the battery?
Jun 15 19:53:06 <doodums> i'm still waiting for my goddamn invisibleshield to come in, though
Jun 15 19:53:06 <doodums> ugh.
Jun 15 19:53:23 <benklop> bsiegel: i guess an app could print to a remote cups server... i'm still thinking about your print money comment
Jun 15 19:53:23 <j0sh> i got my spare battery today actually
Jun 15 19:53:29 <j0sh> im taking the risk
Jun 15 19:53:32 <bdumm> benklop, i didn't see cups stuffs but they have left lots of debian crapolas like irc, mail, news, etc users
Jun 15 19:53:33 <aubilenon> I should get a second touchstone to redo the housing on it so it fits in my car's ash-tray or something
Jun 15 19:53:38 <j0sh> went with the old centro/treo 800w battery
Jun 15 19:53:41 <JohnPro> Battery paper trick?
Jun 15 19:53:49 <asedeno_work_afk> http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution
Jun 15 19:53:59 <j0sh> only 1k mah, but itll provide another 2-3 hours of talk time no problem
Jun 15 19:54:18 <doodums> there's a 1350 mah battery for the pre
Jun 15 19:54:32 <benklop> bdumm: it's debian based? minus apt i assume...
Jun 15 19:54:33 <ogremustcrush> yeah, but its $45
Jun 15 19:54:53 <ogremustcrush> you can get a couple centro batteries and a charger for them for less than $15 on ebay
Jun 15 19:55:00 <en0x> wait for 2800mAh
Jun 15 19:55:00 <en0x> ;)
Jun 15 19:55:08 <ogremustcrush> oooh... drool
Jun 15 19:55:09 <JohnPro> Okay and someone says it gets dirty and needs OC cleaning
Jun 15 19:55:12 <JohnPro> whats OC cleaning
Jun 15 19:55:13 <benklop> dang, once I download that firmware and make it run in qemu, this could be literally anything.
Jun 15 19:55:28 <j0sh> yeah theres a 1350 now that fits in the normal case, and a ~2000 planned that comes with a new back plate
Jun 15 19:55:35 <j0sh> ill prolly just get 2x1350
Jun 15 19:55:39 <j0sh> and be done
Jun 15 19:55:39 <aubilenon> I really wish the touchstone had a place to put spare batteries and charge them like my old treo's cradle did
Jun 15 19:55:45 <doodums> j0sh: i sure hope they got that backplate for the touchstone
Jun 15 19:55:49 <j0sh> you can get a battery charger
Jun 15 19:55:52 <bdumm> benklop, have you seen the wiki? http://predev.wikidot.com/system:list-all-pages
Jun 15 19:56:06 <mdklein_> a new back plate would be awful :-/
Jun 15 19:56:11 <benklop> bdumm: i beleive i read every page on that wiki :)
Jun 15 19:56:22 <ogremustcrush> I really like my current touchstone backplate
Jun 15 19:56:32 <ogremustcrush> extended one wouldn't have that nice feel
Jun 15 19:56:40 <bdumm> :)
Jun 15 19:57:02 <doodums> i'll probably just opt for the 1350, unless the 2000+ one can do like neraly a week
Jun 15 19:57:13 <aubilenon> ogremustcrush: I wish everything were rubberized
Jun 15 19:57:13 <JohnPro> How long to go from no charge to full charge on TouchStone
Jun 15 19:57:16 <j0sh> depends on how much larger it makes the device
Jun 15 19:57:24 <benklop> actually i'm probably gonig to, later tonight, take the line of questioning here and turn it into a blog post... my only problem is how not to get syrup all over my webserver
Jun 15 19:57:30 <bdumm> benklop, even as just a mobile linux box its a lot of fun to play with.....
Jun 15 19:57:33 <ogremustcrush> I'll get a 1350 when you can get one for <$20
Jun 15 19:57:45 <bdumm> much less it has more than one network->services possibility...
Jun 15 19:57:46 <jblebrun> benklop: what's your blog url?
Jun 15 19:58:02 <benklop> jblebrun: intellilinux.info
Jun 15 19:58:29 <benklop> havn't written a whole lot, and i'm not a blog-every-day kinda guy
Jun 15 19:59:13 <benklop> but i'm the man dev of a qemu/kvm frontend and work a little on the kernel if i have an itch, as wel las kde
Jun 15 19:59:40 <benklop> so I like to think there's the potential for writing interesting stuff
Jun 15 19:59:43 <bdumm> make a pre virtualization frontend app...
Jun 15 19:59:46 <bdumm> i'd use it
Jun 15 19:59:48 <bdumm> ....
Jun 15 20:00:13 <benklop> bdumm: i'm actually seriously considering adding other target support to qtemu now, because then it could easily emulate the pre
Jun 15 20:00:32 <JohnPro> AHHHHHH I REALLY DO NOT KNOW
Jun 15 20:00:43 <JohnPro> IPHONE 3GS OR PRE AND TOUCH BOTH
Jun 15 20:01:00 <JohnPro> ADVICE?
Jun 15 20:01:04 <bdumm> just the Pre, buy a touchstone and take your best friend/partner out for nice dinner
Jun 15 20:01:20 <JohnPro> I promise I will take her out anyway
Jun 15 20:01:23 <JohnPro> :-D
Jun 15 20:01:30 <bdumm> and if your new bff is the pre, well you'll save some more $$$ lol
Jun 15 20:01:44 <JohnPro> 3GS or Pre and Touch both?  -  Money factor aside...
Jun 15 20:02:11 <Sargun> JohnPro, Take me out for dinner.
Jun 15 20:02:16 <ogremustcrush> lawl, get a Pre and a Zune
Jun 15 20:02:16 <mikewx> ipods stopped being interesting to me when they started getting worse at their core function, that is, playing music.
Jun 15 20:02:28 <JohnPro> i need the app store
Jun 15 20:02:29 <mikewx> somwhere around the 3g ipod..
Jun 15 20:02:35 <JohnPro> i got hundreds of bucks in apps
Jun 15 20:02:36 <JohnPro> legally
Jun 15 20:02:45 <benklop> JohnPro: just get the pre. with the pace of development and excitement that I'm reading ... the pre seems more limitless in possibilities than the iphone
Jun 15 20:02:57 <Sargun> benklop, Limitless I say!
Jun 15 20:02:58 <JohnPro> i have too much money in iphone apps
Jun 15 20:03:04 <bdumm> lol break the lockin!!!!
Jun 15 20:03:05 <JohnPro> i am getting an idevice
Jun 15 20:03:05 <j0sh> oh, yuck
Jun 15 20:03:12 <ogremustcrush> so get that 32gb ipod touch too
Jun 15 20:03:14 <JohnPro> the question is 3gs or both pre and touch
Jun 15 20:03:17 <ogremustcrush> Pre needs more space
Jun 15 20:03:23 <bdumm> pre and touch
Jun 15 20:03:24 <ogremustcrush> but its better at everything else than the iPhone
Jun 15 20:03:39 <mdklein_> I really like sprint's network so it's not even an option here... no at&t 3g, but great evdo coverage
Jun 15 20:04:01 <benklop> actually, since the processor is apparently the same, would it be possible to build an osx emulator ala wine to run iphone apps i wonder
Jun 15 20:04:04 <ogremustcrush> heh, after my discount, my sprint service is like $50/mo
Jun 15 20:04:05 <bsiegel> we need to try plugging a usb memory stick into the pre and using it for extra storage :p
Jun 15 20:04:10 <aubilenon> ogremustcrush: the 3gs has a hardware compass, which will probably make for some better GPS experience for some things
Jun 15 20:04:11 <JohnPro> So guys...  CHOICE 1: iPhone 3G S...  CHOICE 2: Package of Palm Pre and iPod Touch...  Which Choice?
Jun 15 20:04:15 <bsiegel> if that works, then just tape it on the back :p
Jun 15 20:04:16 <ogremustcrush> on AT&T it would be close to $100
Jun 15 20:04:23 <Bales|> why both pre and touch?
Jun 15 20:04:24 <mdklein_> why do you need an ipod?
Jun 15 20:04:34 <JohnPro> i have too much money in iphone apps
Jun 15 20:04:36 <JohnPro> i wanna use them
Jun 15 20:04:39 <ogremustcrush> Pre and touch, fo sho!
Jun 15 20:04:49 <Bales|> ya i'd say pre and touch
Jun 15 20:04:54 <Bales|> best of both worlds :P
Jun 15 20:04:59 <bdumm> JohnPro, silly question here imho
Jun 15 20:05:01 <JohnPro> good stuff keep answering guys :-)
Jun 15 20:05:04 <mdklein_> you're asking in a pre dev channel :-p you're results are going to be skewed
Jun 15 20:05:10 <bdumm> :)
Jun 15 20:05:14 <JohnPro> Still I want your opinions
Jun 15 20:05:17 <JohnPro> :-)
Jun 15 20:05:18 <mrjcarter> maybe he wants them to be
Jun 15 20:05:22 <aubilenon> I opine you'll be happy either way
Jun 15 20:05:27 <Bales|> no
Jun 15 20:05:30 <bdumm> what does 3GS really offer you?
Jun 15 20:05:32 <ogremustcrush> I have an iPhone, its great for music, but for web and phone... meh
Jun 15 20:05:35 <Bales|> only happy if he gets a pre and touch
Jun 15 20:05:36 <Sargun> EvanPro_, ping
Jun 15 20:05:37 <bdumm> more headaches, promises etc?
Jun 15 20:05:37 <mdklein_> I had an ipod touch, until my gf decided to wash my gym clothes without checking pockets :( that was a sad day
Jun 15 20:05:40 <benklop> he probably tried asking in an iphone channel too, and the banned him
Jun 15 20:05:53 <mikewx> lol
Jun 15 20:05:57 <JohnPro> No
Jun 15 20:06:01 <ogremustcrush> stupid txt message notification drive you insane
Jun 15 20:06:03 <JohnPro> Just here
Jun 15 20:06:04 <JohnPro> :-)
Jun 15 20:06:14 <Sargun> mdklein_, I'll give you an iPod Touch, give me the girlfriend.
Jun 15 20:06:26 <ogremustcrush> nice
Jun 15 20:06:29 <mdklein_> Sargun: lol, I got a zune to replace it
Jun 15 20:06:44 <Sargun> The girlfriend?
Jun 15 20:06:44 <ogremustcrush> Zune HD looks pretty cool
Jun 15 20:06:44 <JohnPro> How is the AIRAVE?  Will it work on a college campus all around?  Or only line of sight?
Jun 15 20:07:10 <benklop> dangit I have so many questions....
Jun 15 20:07:23 <bdumm> 3GS no flash for taking pictures of your better half, pre has blinding flash lol
Jun 15 20:07:25 <aubilenon> If you think you're going to need an Airave to have good reception I would just pick a different network
Jun 15 20:07:29 <roxfan> why are you asking all this here?
Jun 15 20:07:33 <ogremustcrush> so has anyone used lynx on the Pre yet?
Jun 15 20:07:50 <mdklein_> luckily the ipod was something I won at a conference... but yeah, nothing like leaving for a flight and finding out you have no music to play...
Jun 15 20:07:51 <Bales|> jaguar lynx?
Jun 15 20:07:52 <ogremustcrush> to ssh into a WebOS device and run lynx
Jun 15 20:07:55 <ogremustcrush> would be great
Jun 15 20:07:55 <bsiegel> bdumm: Yeah, I think it's a luxeon-type high wattage LED
Jun 15 20:07:57 <JohnPro> The reason I am saying this is that my campus has NO SIGNAL
Jun 15 20:07:57 <Bales|> er atari lynx
Jun 15 20:08:08 <JohnPro> that is why i want a pre so I can get sprint and the airave
Jun 15 20:08:10 <JohnPro> how good is it
Jun 15 20:08:12 <konsoleX> ogremustcrush: i'm running centerim (so lynx should work)
Jun 15 20:08:13 <mdklein_> airave won't really cover a campus... it's not line of sight, but it's also not a full tower
Jun 15 20:08:19 <ogremustcrush> lynx, the text based web browser
Jun 15 20:08:25 <benklop> what sort of kernel mods have they done? anything for device support that could be pushed back up? does the usb port support host as well as guest mode? is it hard to change? (modprobe probably I guess)
Jun 15 20:08:27 <JohnPro> how many square feet will i really get from it?
Jun 15 20:08:40 <JohnPro> ^AIRWAVE
Jun 15 20:09:01 <mdklein_> 5,000 according to the FAQ
Jun 15 20:09:12 <JohnPro> I know it says UP TO
Jun 15 20:09:16 <bdumm> JohnPro, dunno about there, but i am in the middle of the woodz, anywhere in my city etc is just fine, ie like say on the college campus
Jun 15 20:09:16 <bsiegel> The luxeons are awesome, but I would seriously discourage anyone creating a "flashlight" type app for it, since they put out a good bit of heat and you can easily fry the LED if it's not heatsinked well (and since it is for a flash only, I doubt it is)
Jun 15 20:09:20 <JohnPro> ON a college campus how many would I actually get?
Jun 15 20:09:26 <mdklein_> I don't have one, I have a tower near house and work
Jun 15 20:09:35 <bdumm> woods and foothills i'll add...
Jun 15 20:09:46 <aubilenon> JohnPro: Why do you want an airave? Does your campus have bad network coverage?
Jun 15 20:09:53 <ogremustcrush> huh, should look at the tearapart photos to see how well the led is heatsinked
Jun 15 20:09:53 <asedeno_work_afk> Umm, there are a lot of different college campuses.
Jun 15 20:10:06 <bsiegel> ogremustcrush: I'm looking now
Jun 15 20:10:11 <JohnPro> aubilenon, YES.  Not one of the four carriers has any service up there
Jun 15 20:10:17 <aubilenon> hah
Jun 15 20:10:19 <JohnPro> You ocasioanlly get a very weak signal
Jun 15 20:10:34 <JohnPro> So I wanna know how good airave is
Jun 15 20:10:37 <Gadfly> ok, so, vpnc overwrote my /etc/resolv.conf, and didn't change it back, so I can't do any dns lookups on my phone. Can anyone tell me what the default is?
Jun 15 20:10:37 <aubilenon> 5000 square feet is about the size of a house.  So you won't cover the whole campus with the airave
Jun 15 20:10:41 <ogremustcrush> eh, its mounted on a flex cable
Jun 15 20:10:58 <ogremustcrush> so, no the heatsinking probably sucks
Jun 15 20:11:05 <benklop> ok, well I guess i'll be back and try to be more help next time when I actualyl have a device...
Jun 15 20:11:19 <bdumm> benklop, good luck and have fun...
Jun 15 20:11:29 <benklop> thanks :)
Jun 15 20:11:32 <benklop> you too
Jun 15 20:11:34 <Gadfly> 5000 sq ft  is more like 2 houses
Jun 15 20:11:47 <benklop> and try to keep sharing the fun!
Jun 15 20:11:53 <datafirm> Gadfly: just use localhost 127.0.0.1
Jun 15 20:11:56 <bdumm> always
Jun 15 20:11:56 <aubilenon> Gadfly: okay, but it's way less than a dorm
Jun 15 20:12:25 <mdklein_> I think my dorm was 10 square feet, and I had to share it with another guy
Jun 15 20:12:55 <mdklein_> and they blasted the heat so high the windows were open all winter!
Jun 15 20:13:10 <ogremustcrush> If I had any programming chops, I'd try to hack up some thing where  you could sync with iTunes over wifi
Jun 15 20:13:16 <ogremustcrush> I hate that stupid USB cover
Jun 15 20:13:36 <mdklein_> itunes does wifi syncing now? it's been awhile since I had an ipod
Jun 15 20:13:44 <ogremustcrush> nah, it doesnt
Jun 15 20:13:47 <ogremustcrush> the zune does
Jun 15 20:14:07 <aubilenon> mdklein: 10x1? :D
Jun 15 20:14:14 <ogremustcrush> but with enough hackery, one could write some sort of driver that emulated the ipod to itunes, and connected to a remote filesystem on the pre
Jun 15 20:14:17 <mdklein_> aubilenon: felt like it sometimes!
Jun 15 20:16:14 <j0sh> gadfly: its set to "nameserver 127.0.0.1"
Jun 15 20:16:25 <j0sh> thats all
Jun 15 20:17:26 <mdklein_> yeah, it appears to be running dnsmasq
Jun 15 20:17:37 <Burnettj> this is really starting to get annoying
Jun 15 20:17:46 <Burnettj> has anyone been able to root their pre on 64 bit xp
Jun 15 20:17:47 <Burnettj> ?
Jun 15 20:18:17 <mdklein_> just os-x and 64bit vista here :-/
Jun 15 20:18:38 <Gadfly> datafirm, j0sh: Thanks guys! loopback works
Jun 15 20:19:41 <asedeno_work_afk> I have rooted from XP and Vista, both 64-bit.
Jun 15 20:20:06 <Burnettj> damn
Jun 15 20:20:07 <Lurking_Grue> I am having bad luck... trying the graphic shell instructions on the wiki and I get "ImportError: No module named array"
Jun 15 20:20:42 <Sargun> Lurking_Grue, Py2.6?
Jun 15 20:20:54 <Burnettj> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 15 20:21:27 <Lurking_Grue> No idea... I used the command "/opt/bin/ipkg-opt install python" as instructed.
Jun 15 20:21:45 <Lurking_Grue> Great... 2.5
Jun 15 20:37:44 * bdumm blinks
Jun 15 20:38:19 <bsiegel> Can't get cgi:irc or mibbit to work nicely on the Pre's browser :(
Jun 15 20:38:29 <bdumm> so anyone using regular speakers with the Pre? accepting calls w/o picking up the Pre from the touchstone? range you get?
Jun 15 20:40:38 <Lurking_Grue> Anybody know where I can find python 2.6 ipk?  Or at least know why my ipkg is getting 2.5?
Jun 15 20:44:51 <Lurking_Grue> Found it ;)
Jun 15 20:45:36 <datafirm> anyone know how often webos syncs to google? i added an event this am and it still has not shown up. :(
Jun 15 20:46:50 <Hamzifer> datafirm: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188679
Jun 15 20:46:56 <Hamzifer> datafirm: may be relevant to your interests
Jun 15 20:47:34 <hemna> finally got around to rooting my Pre
Jun 15 20:49:08 <datafirm> Hamzifer: thanks.. maybe its my google apps.. account. :-/
Jun 15 20:49:29 <Hamzifer> sounds like there are issues with the pre and gapps
Jun 15 20:49:43 <Hamzifer> workarounds in that thread too though
Jun 15 20:49:56 <datafirm> ok.. i'll keep reading.. I also have a gmail account i can use.
Jun 15 20:50:08 <Hamzifer> remove/readd the gcal account basically
Jun 15 20:50:13 <Hamzifer> steps on how to do that are listed there
Jun 15 20:56:37 <Nick___> Hi everyone! I'm sort of stuck on a step 13b on Enable the Optware package and was hoping to get some help.
Jun 15 20:59:51 <AtOurGates> Has anyone looked at adding Flickr (or another service) to the photo uploads?
Jun 15 20:59:54 <johndbiggs> ahoy
Jun 15 21:00:06 <johndbiggs> so tell me about this tethering thing
Jun 15 21:00:28 <AtOurGates> Facebook & PhotoBucket are great, but it'd be nice to have some other choices.
Jun 15 21:00:52 <datafirm> AtOurGates: not a bad plan..
Jun 15 21:00:52 <mikewx> johndbiggs: check the topic, we don't do teathering here
Jun 15 21:00:55 <doodums> johndbiggs: afaik, we can't discuss it in this channel
Jun 15 21:01:05 <datafirm> I wonder if its build into their java components though.
Jun 15 21:01:08 <johndbiggs> http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/?awesm=tcrn.ch_3rg&utm_campaign=techcrunch&utm_content=techcrunch-autopost&utm_medium=tcrn.ch-twitter&utm_source=direct-tcrn.ch#comment-1037886
Jun 15 21:01:11 <datafirm> i'll take a look later today.
Jun 15 21:01:53 <AtOurGates> datafirm:  I was hoping it'd be simple - on the order of changing the search providers.  But hadn't heard anyone discuss it yet.
Jun 15 21:02:01 <mikewx> i'd like the option to crop an caption facebook uploads
Jun 15 21:02:25 <Binarytech> does anyone know if sprint could be blocking irc on the pre?
Jun 15 21:02:37 <datafirm> AtOurGates: while we'd have to implement the flickr api
Jun 15 21:02:37 <doodums> i don't see why they would, Binarytech
Jun 15 21:02:37 <johndbiggs> grat
Jun 15 21:02:40 <johndbiggs> great
Jun 15 21:02:42 <Binarytech> i got a web based irc ported into a pre app but it wont connect
Jun 15 21:02:42 <doodums> try mibbit.com?
Jun 15 21:02:43 <AtOurGates> mikewx: yeah - not being able to title my upload to Facebook seems to be a miss.
Jun 15 21:02:45 <datafirm> search is just a sting with a wildcard.
Jun 15 21:02:48 <johndbiggs> thanks, guys. good talking to you
Jun 15 21:03:16 <doodums> Binarytech: can you connect through a web-based irc client?
Jun 15 21:03:48 <Binarytech> nope not through web base either. it just sits on connecting on both types of clients. the weeb based an app based
Jun 15 21:03:52 <doodums> Hrm.
Jun 15 21:04:36 <doodums> have you done any testing on the ports?
Jun 15 21:05:24 <Binarytech> no testing yet thats my next move
Jun 15 21:05:36 <Binarytech> it seems like the port the irc client is using wont allow trafffic.
Jun 15 21:05:51 <doodums> good luck on it. i'm looking forward to an irc client
Jun 15 21:05:53 <Binarytech> its using 6667
Jun 15 21:05:56 <doodums> try the whole range
Jun 15 21:05:57 <Binarytech> wont go through
Jun 15 21:05:59 <doodums> 6666-7000
Jun 15 21:06:26 <doodums> to at least see if those are open.
Jun 15 21:06:28 <doodums> bbl.
Jun 15 21:07:36 <Shan> Test
Jun 15 21:07:44 <WDS-Scott> lols
Jun 15 21:09:59 <Shan> I wonder if the recently leaked [censored] guide was leaked from Pre Dev Wiki. Anyone know?
Jun 15 21:11:08 <summatusmentis> what are you talking about?
Jun 15 21:11:30 <WDS-Scott> t e t h e r guide
Jun 15 21:11:34 <WDS-Scott> i assume
Jun 15 21:11:59 <summatusmentis> ugh, I see
Jun 15 21:12:08 <aubilenon> is there some keyword filter here that automatically makes sprint or palm mad if we even say certain words?
Jun 15 21:12:27 <summatusmentis> no keyword
Jun 15 21:12:46 <aubilenon> so what's with all the [censored] and spaces
Jun 15 21:13:25 <aubilenon> I am pretty sure they don't care whether we talk about tethering, so long as we don't provide a way for people to do it.
Jun 15 21:13:31 <summatusmentis> clever ways of getting around topics we generally consider not ok, I assume *rolls eyes*
Jun 15 21:13:37 <Shan> It's the "T" word. Im not allowed to say it otherwise I think I'll get banned.
Jun 15 21:13:46 <asedeno_work_afk> Tomato?
Jun 15 21:13:53 <Nick___> lol
Jun 15 21:13:58 <opie_> tremors, aka the best movie ever made
Jun 15 21:13:58 <jblebrun_irssi> *sigh*
Jun 15 21:14:00 <aubilenon> "the" actually
Jun 15 21:14:22 <summatusmentis> ok, here's the thing. conceptually, talk about abstract tethering all you want
Jun 15 21:14:25 <asedeno_work_afk> Oh, I know, taboo!
Jun 15 21:14:40 <summatusmentis> except, abstract tethering talk usually leads to non-abstract tethering discussion
Jun 15 21:14:43 <jblebrun_irssi> I like to tether in the bedroom.
Jun 15 21:15:06 <xandrake> lol
Jun 15 21:15:08 <MTW> let's talk about tethering
Jun 15 21:15:11 <MTW> i love to hack tethering
Jun 15 21:15:15 <MTW> what about you guys
Jun 15 21:15:25 <Shan> Oh no.. someone said the "t" word.
Jun 15 21:15:26 <liz> can we just call it 'twittering'?
Jun 15 21:15:26 <jblebrun_irssi> I like to play tetherball on the playground.
Jun 15 21:15:38 <xandrake> liz: good idea
Jun 15 21:15:40 <WDS-Scott> where are downloaded apps located?
Jun 15 21:15:47 <xandrake> I'll write a "twittering" app
Jun 15 21:15:48 <liz> i'd really like to know how to twitter on my pre :)
Jun 15 21:15:49 <jblebrun_irssi> WDS-Scott: /var/palm/applications
Jun 15 21:16:05 <Shan> Can anyone program an app that can make it easier to root the Pre? Or even automate it?
Jun 15 21:16:05 <aubilenon> summatusmentis: is that the only subject that palm has asked us to avoid?
Jun 15 21:16:14 <WDS-Scott> jbleburn_irssi: that explains it -_-
Jun 15 21:16:15 <xandrake> It's pretty simple.
Jun 15 21:16:21 <WDS-Scott> jbleburn_irssi: ty
Jun 15 21:16:25 <jblebrun_irssi> np :-)
Jun 15 21:16:36 <liz> i guess we could build a robot that would download the image and load it for you
Jun 15 21:16:37 <summatusmentis> aubilenon: tethering, pasting of copyrighted code, pretty much anything that will break NDA, licenses, or ToS
Jun 15 21:16:39 <Kyusaku> twethering
Jun 15 21:16:41 <xandrake> Shan: did you follow the instructions on the wiki?
Jun 15 21:16:41 <asedeno_work_afk> I mentioned tethering to a co-worker and they thought I was taking about a lack of lanyard on the pre.
Jun 15 21:16:53 <jblebrun_irssi> I would like to tweak the browser to allow image downloads :-)
Jun 15 21:16:59 <Shan> @xandrake: Yes but it would still be nice to have an automated program that does this.
Jun 15 21:17:14 <Shan> iPhones have one that does it, it would be nice for Palm Pre to have one too
Jun 15 21:17:25 <aubilenon> does that mean some people here have signed NDAs?
Jun 15 21:17:31 <xandrake> Aye, good call.
Jun 15 21:17:45 <aubilenon> hmm
Jun 15 21:17:55 <Kyusaku> people here don't want to get locked out of their Pre after the next update
Jun 15 21:17:55 <summatusmentis> aubilenon: there are some palm employees here, and there are some people who probably have the SDK
Jun 15 21:18:06 <aubilenon> oh yeah!
Jun 15 21:18:16 <Shan> Does the SDK prevent developers from rooting?
Jun 15 21:18:32 <Binarytech> what you mean by that shan
Jun 15 21:18:44 <summatusmentis> Shan: even  if it did, that's probably NDAd
Jun 15 21:18:50 <WDS-Scott> jblebrun_irssi: sure it isn't usr/palm/applications?
Jun 15 21:19:05 <jblebrun_irssi> /usr/palm/applications is where the pre-installed apps are
Jun 15 21:19:10 <WDS-Scott> can't seem to cd there
Jun 15 21:19:10 * summatusmentis is off to eat
Jun 15 21:19:11 <WDS-Scott> zz
Jun 15 21:19:13 <Shan> Nevermind @binaytech, I guess I'll have my brother root my pre just in case. ;)
Jun 15 21:19:19 <summatusmentis> be good kids :P
Jun 15 21:19:34 <Kyusaku> I'd imagine the SDK doesn't need a dev mode since it kind of probably already runs in a kind of dev mode.
Jun 15 21:19:37 <Nick___> can anyone help me out with step 13b? stuck at this point
Jun 15 21:19:40 <jblebrun_irssi> Oh, yeah,
Jun 15 21:19:42 <jblebrun_irssi> sorry
Jun 15 21:19:44 <Hamzifer> Shan: iphone's been out a long time, devs have had a long time to develop nice front ends to these tools. pre's not been out all that long, give it time :)
Jun 15 21:19:46 <jblebrun_irssi> it's /var/usr/palm/applications
Jun 15 21:19:53 <WDS-Scott> lols thanks again
Jun 15 21:19:54 <jblebrun_irssi> For the downloaded apps
Jun 15 21:20:08 <aubilenon> I am really curiouswhat the SDK looks like.  I hope it's available soon.
Jun 15 21:20:27 <Binarytech> the people who have the SDK are they allowed to talk about how it works?(i dont have it just wondering if we can get info) or is that NDA?
Jun 15 21:20:54 <bsiegel> Just a document listing the available service URIs and message payloads would be more than enough for most of us.
Jun 15 21:21:12 <dreadchicken> Nick___, what problem are you having with 13b?
Jun 15 21:21:47 <Nick___> it says to create a file named but doesnt say what to name it, it just says "/etc/event.d/openssh"
Jun 15 21:21:54 <jblebrun_irssi> bsiegel: you mean grep "palm://" -r -C4 *
Jun 15 21:21:58 <jblebrun_irssi> isn't enoguh? ;-)
Jun 15 21:21:59 <Nick___> then it has a long script underneath it
Jun 15 21:22:11 <dreadchicken> that is hte name of the file: /etc/event.d/openssh.
Jun 15 21:22:15 <jblebrun_irssi> jeje
Jun 15 21:22:33 <dreadchicken> correctly, that is the name and the path of the file.
Jun 15 21:22:54 <Nick___> ah ok, and the script underneath it is what goes into that file?
Jun 15 21:23:13 <dreadchicken> correct
Jun 15 21:23:25 <bsiegel> jblebrun_irssi: Yep that's how Ive been doing it so far, not exactly ideal or complete
Jun 15 21:23:52 <jblebrun_irssi> Yes, I was just kidding :-)
Jun 15 21:24:36 <Nick___> thx 4 the info will try i tnow
Jun 15 21:25:13 <WDS-Scott> anyone running os x?
Jun 15 21:25:17 <xandrake_> <--
Jun 15 21:25:25 <xandrake_> What you need Scott?
Jun 15 21:26:46 <WDS-Scott> I'm rooted, how would I copy directory to my desktop (/Users/*/Desktop)
Jun 15 21:26:52 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 15 21:27:00 <acekard> is java on the pre the same as on any other os?
Jun 15 21:27:06 <xandrake_> does scp not work?
Jun 15 21:27:23 <acekard> i ask b/c im taking a class on java programming and vbnet but i know vb wont work
Jun 15 21:27:59 <jblebrun_irssi> acekard: If you're talking about programming a normal webOS application, the language you'd be using is JavaScript, not Java.
Jun 15 21:28:17 <rwhitby> Binarytech: even saying whether you have the SDK or not is apparently a breach of the NDA.
Jun 15 21:28:24 <acekard> oh so there is a difference?
Jun 15 21:28:44 <jblebrun_irssi> acekard: A popular quote is: "JavaScript is to Java as carpet is to car"
Jun 15 21:28:54 <Lurking_Grue> Using opt under loopback only causes a problem with media sync?
Jun 15 21:28:55 <WDS-Scott> lol
Jun 15 21:28:57 <acekard> hahah okay
Jun 15 21:29:03 <jblebrun_irssi> i.e., they're essentially completely different languages, other than a few surface syntax similarities.
Jun 15 21:29:21 <acekard> right i know what you mean
Jun 15 21:29:28 <acekard> thanks for the heads up though
Jun 15 21:29:34 <xandrake_> sheesh, is scp not on the pre?
Jun 15 21:29:45 <xandrake_> I just tried...no joy.
Jun 15 21:29:59 <jblebrun_irssi> That said, there is a Java VM installed on the Pre, and a lot of system services are written in Java. But for consumer apps written for webOS, everything is HTML+JavaScript
Jun 15 21:30:02 <liz> is scp even on windows by default yet?
Jun 15 21:30:10 <xandrake_> newp
Jun 15 21:30:15 <jblebrun_irssi> xandrake: did you install dropbear?
Jun 15 21:30:21 <xandrake_> Who uses windows, anyhow?
Jun 15 21:30:31 <xandrake_> I installed it, yes.
Jun 15 21:30:40 <xandrake_> ssh'ed into the pre @root now.
Jun 15 21:31:03 <liz> well if youre testing security flaws you tend to use windows alot...
Jun 15 21:31:12 <xandrake_> @liz: lol
Jun 15 21:31:53 <jblebrun_irssi> You can just initiate the scp from the desktop machine
Jun 15 21:32:10 <xandrake_> ah.
Jun 15 21:33:54 <ryanworl> so I just took a 14 hour coma
Jun 15 21:33:59 <ryanworl> it was very relaxing
Jun 15 21:34:21 <WDS-Scott> i'm in need of my daily coma as well
Jun 15 21:34:33 <acekard_> daily coma?
Jun 15 21:34:43 <acekard_> hahah i think u mean nap
Jun 15 21:34:48 <ryanworl> gotta get some sleep man
Jun 15 21:34:56 <ryanworl> and 14 hours is _not_ a nap ;)
Jun 15 21:35:35 <cyanidepoison> lol how did my nick get changed
Jun 15 21:36:47 <hemna> anyone figured out how to get an image from the camera?
Jun 15 21:37:00 <hemna> I was thinking about writing a webcam type script for the Pre
Jun 15 21:37:10 <hemna> then put my Pre on my r/c airplane :P
Jun 15 21:37:29 <Shan> @ryanworl: you must have had a power nap ;)
Jun 15 21:37:39 <konsoleX> hemna: that's the best use of a cellphone ever.
Jun 15 21:37:46 <rwhitby> So, is John Biggs from the crunchgear article here?  I'm happy to talk to him if he is.
Jun 15 21:37:57 <hemna> I'm going to work on that....
Jun 15 21:37:59 <Shan> I'm happy to talk to him if he's here too!
Jun 15 21:38:08 <WDS-Scott> xandrake_: can i pm you real quick
Jun 15 21:38:18 <xandrake_> You may, yes.
Jun 15 21:40:29 <bpadalino|work> crunchgear wrote an article ?
Jun 15 21:41:15 <summatusmentis> bpadalino|work: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/15/palm-prithee-good-sirs-speak-not-of-palm-pre-tethering/
Jun 15 21:41:24 <AtOurGates> hemna: Ohh!  A spectacular idea.  Though, with my flying skills, I think it'd likely be the end of my pre.
Jun 15 21:41:59 <hemna> heh
Jun 15 21:42:08 <hemna> I'm going to try and write the scripts tonight
Jun 15 21:42:12 <AtOurGates> What aircraft are you planning to mount it on?
Jun 15 21:42:14 <bpadalino|work> oh, i see the article
Jun 15 21:42:25 <hemna> I have a slowstick that already has a gimbal on it for AP
Jun 15 21:42:47 <opie_> is anyone working on programming or refactoring existing apps and looking for help, i'm a rather experienced js programmer
Jun 15 21:43:40 <Ajaxify> Has anyone successfully bypassed the activation?
Jun 15 21:45:37 <bsiegel> Ajaxify: http://predev.wikidot.com/bypassing-activation
Jun 15 21:46:01 <Ajaxify> bsiegel: I've been helping maintain that. It doesn't currently work.
Jun 15 21:46:24 <xandrake_> So when we log in with our custom created user (from rooting) are we chrooted?
Jun 15 21:46:36 <Nick___> woot succesfully rooted through putty
Jun 15 21:46:41 <summatusmentis> xandrake_: no
Jun 15 21:46:46 <Ajaxify> Currently, the phone flashes but never goes past the palm logo screen.
Jun 15 21:46:49 <summatusmentis> you've just logged in using a different user
Jun 15 21:47:07 <xandrake_> Ok, why then -- in theory -- can I not mount an SFTP session?
Jun 15 21:47:19 <summatusmentis> do you have sftp installed?
Jun 15 21:47:49 <bsiegel> Ajaxify: Oh. In that case I have no further information for you, aside from recommending you decompile the class files in usr\lib\luna\java\accountservices\com\palm\accountservices and see what is going on there
Jun 15 21:48:33 <Nick___> finally i can change the dialer background lol
Jun 15 21:48:54 <Ajaxify> bsiegel: given this blog post, I don't think its that difficult. :-\ But I'll have a look. http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2009/06/wwdcpalm-pre-rollercoaster-week.html
Jun 15 21:48:57 <xandrake_> hmm, is sftp a simple install?
Jun 15 21:49:12 <xandrake_> I think having ftp access to the FS would be a great benefit.
Jun 15 21:49:27 <jblebrun_irssi> opei: The next thing I'd like to work on is making images savable from the web browser.
Jun 15 21:49:28 <rwhitby> xandrake_: there's a wiki page on it
Jun 15 21:49:34 <xandrake_> >der<
Jun 15 21:49:40 <xandrake_> search pwnt me
Jun 15 21:49:52 <summatusmentis> xandrake_: yeah, d'you have optware setup?
Jun 15 21:49:55 <Nick___> visual file system is always nice
Jun 15 21:49:55 <summatusmentis> oh, right
Jun 15 21:49:56 <xandrake_> wait...
Jun 15 21:50:00 <xandrake_> I do have optware.
Jun 15 21:50:15 <xandrake_> I followed the rooting process and optware was part of it.
Jun 15 21:50:42 <xandrake_> l2read xandrake   :)
Jun 15 21:50:48 <xandrake_> I found the wiki section
Jun 15 21:50:50 <AtOurGates> hemna: I await your videos with great anticipation.
Jun 15 21:51:04 <hemna> I'm looking through the camera app source
Jun 15 21:51:16 <hemna> trying to figure out how to simply snap a photo
Jun 15 21:51:19 <Nick___> thx btw for everyone that made the instructions and came through on this :P
Jun 15 21:53:14 <blau-mikeDG> got rid of the rounded corners on apps
Jun 15 21:53:18 <bpadalino|work> oh, i see john biggs stopped in around 5p and was here for 3 minutes
Jun 15 21:53:23 <blau-mikeDG> still appear in card view tho :/
Jun 15 21:55:09 <jblebrun_irssi> blau-mikeDG: nice!
Jun 15 21:55:26 <AtOurGates> hemna: baby steps I suppose.
Jun 15 21:55:39 <blau-mikeDG> and i changed the ripple to a black x with a dot
Jun 15 21:55:58 <rwhitby> Is reeder29 from the wiki here?
Jun 15 21:55:58 <hemna> yah
Jun 15 21:56:14 <hemna> anyone try one of the light webservers on the Pre ?
Jun 15 21:56:24 <tmzt> some have
Jun 15 21:57:09 <Sargun> hemna, I got lighttpd running
Jun 15 21:57:24 <hemna> nice ok
Jun 15 21:57:27 <Nick___> is there anything I should do after I successfully rooted the pre? or can i go ahead with dialer background editing
Jun 15 21:57:27 <hemna> I think php works with that
Jun 15 21:58:04 <acekard_> nikc___
Jun 15 21:58:13 <acekard_> go ahead and edit the dialer
Jun 15 21:58:19 <jblebrun_irssi> Someone installed nginx
Jun 15 21:58:22 <acekard_> make sure u make the fs writable first
Jun 15 21:58:24 <kaek> I messed something up when I created my sudoers file. any ideas on how to get back to root?
Jun 15 21:58:28 <Nick___> ok, thx
Jun 15 21:58:42 <tmzt> kaek: novacom?
Jun 15 21:58:49 <Nick___> rootfs_open -w correct?
Jun 15 21:58:51 <jblebrun_irssi> http://mypalmpre.homelinux.com:880/
Jun 15 21:58:56 <asedeno_work_afk> yeah, same way you got it the first time. :)
Jun 15 21:59:00 <Nick___> rgr
Jun 15 21:59:05 <acekard_> yeah
Jun 15 21:59:10 <kaek> thx
Jun 15 21:59:24 <konsoleX> jblebrun_irssi: very cool
Jun 15 21:59:38 <jblebrun_irssi> I'm not sure who that is. I think it's someone in here...
Jun 15 22:01:06 <hemna> doesn't scp normally come w/ openssh ?
Jun 15 22:01:17 <hemna> doesn't look like I have scp...openssh is installed
Jun 15 22:01:22 <tmzt> you have to install it
Jun 15 22:03:48 <rwhitby> hemna: ipkg-opt install openssh should install /opt/bin/ssh
Jun 15 22:03:53 <rwhitby> and /opt/bin/scp
Jun 15 22:04:12 <hemna> ah...duh
Jun 15 22:04:19 <hemna>  /opt/bin isn't in the path by default then
Jun 15 22:04:20 <hemna> cool
Jun 15 22:04:22 <hemna> thnx
Jun 15 22:06:34 <crashx-> this isn't really a webos internal, but has anyone picked up one of those bodyguardz film covers yet
Jun 15 22:07:45 <dreadchicken> crashx-, i went with the ghost armor for my wife and i and have been pleased so far.
Jun 15 22:08:03 <DNIc> yea im using bodyguardz
Jun 15 22:08:14 <DNIc> fubard the front the first time, second one looks much much nicer
Jun 15 22:08:24 <DNIc> just a cpl bubbles im waiting for to dissapear
Jun 15 22:08:28 <mike_w> i ordered ageneric invisibleshield (still the 3m stuff though) but ithasn't arrived yet
Jun 15 22:08:41 <AtOurGates> jblebrun_irssi: Clearly you need to submit that link to Slashdot and see how long it takes for your Pre to melt.
Jun 15 22:09:16 <EvanPro_> i ordered a invisibleshield, but i have a phantomskinz on it now, which isn't too bad. my girlfriend got ghostarmor on her pre.
Jun 15 22:09:17 <mykael> Hello
Jun 15 22:09:24 <AtOurGates> I put a Phantomskinz on mine, and besides the retarded name, it seems to work well.
Jun 15 22:09:48 <EvanPro_> i like the cut of the phantomskinz the best out of the 3.
Jun 15 22:09:50 <mykael> anyone have an issue with SSH through EV-DO connection by any chance?
Jun 15 22:10:01 <konsoleX> mykael: slightly laggy?
Jun 15 22:10:18 <mykael> i was able to connect to it initially
Jun 15 22:10:27 <mykael> but when I rebooted i was not able to again
Jun 15 22:10:38 <mykael> i followed the dropbear package
Jun 15 22:11:22 <psykoz> crashx-, friend of mine just showed me the bodyguardz on his phone, actual screen response seems like it improved with it really
Jun 15 22:11:28 <aewilliamsllc> so i feel silly asking such a newb question, but i'm trying to follow the directions to root my pre and i'm hund up on the part where is says to run talk.py inside subversion.  I installed tortoiseSVN and I 'pulled down' all the files but i don't know how to 'run'
Jun 15 22:11:54 <psykoz> if you installed python (which I'm sure you did)
Jun 15 22:11:58 <psykoz> you just type talk.py in dos
Jun 15 22:11:59 <mykael> i actually ran talk.py inside python
Jun 15 22:12:02 <psykoz> or in explorer right click -> run
Jun 15 22:12:39 <konsoleX> mykael: can you access root via novacom/novaterm? is dropbear running? checked your IP?
Jun 15 22:12:51 <DNIc> i just dbl clicked on talk.py after installing python
Jun 15 22:12:53 <mykael> yeah i can access root
Jun 15 22:13:00 <tmzt> psykoz: it's not dos, it's cmd.exe
Jun 15 22:13:06 <mykael> via novaproxy
Jun 15 22:13:24 <EvanPro_> crashx-: what psykoz said.. the covers seem to make the screen response a bit better.. also i tested the "self healing" on the phantom skinz, and it works. i put a slice in mine with fingernail  clippers, and about 9 hours later i couldn't see where it scratched.
Jun 15 22:13:24 <mykael> hmm let me see
Jun 15 22:13:37 <aewilliamsllc> thx
Jun 15 22:14:25 <jblebrun_irssi> AtOurGates: It's not my Pre ;-)
Jun 15 22:15:00 <AtOurGates> Jblebrun_irssi: So what are you waiting for?
Jun 15 22:16:01 <jblebrun_irssi> mykael: Did you check for an updated EvDO IP address after you rebooted?
Jun 15 22:17:17 <mykael> yeah
Jun 15 22:17:25 <mykael> Ok so i am running dropbear currently
Jun 15 22:17:37 <mykael> and i also modified the event file to remove -i eth0
Jun 15 22:17:45 <mykael> for both of the pre-start commands
Jun 15 22:18:13 <tmzt> what is eth0 for?
Jun 15 22:18:35 <Sargun> WiFui
Jun 15 22:18:37 <DNIc> wifi
Jun 15 22:18:40 <mykael> wifi
Jun 15 22:18:53 <DNIc> im always on wifi @ home so i just ssh iwth that ip
Jun 15 22:19:15 <jblebrun_irssi> Haha... I heard "wifi... Wifi... WIFI" in a major chord arpeggio ;-)
Jun 15 22:19:28 <aewilliamsllc> ok..my next question...running Win 7RC turned off windows firewall, avast, and windows defender...still getting [Errno 10061]
Jun 15 22:19:35 <mykael> yea i actually want to ssh with the EVDO IP
Jun 15 22:20:08 <xandrake_> You using putty?
Jun 15 22:20:16 <mykael> yeah
Jun 15 22:20:16 <DNIc> do we have to stay in dev mode anytime we want to make changes?
Jun 15 22:20:23 <xandrake_> I had no luck sshing with the EVDO ip for some reason
Jun 15 22:20:32 <Hamzifer> what kind of IP are you getting from the EVDO?
Jun 15 22:20:37 <xandrake_> c class
Jun 15 22:20:40 <rwhitby> xandrake_: did you change the default iptables ?
Jun 15 22:20:40 <aewilliamsllc> still trying to run talk.py
Jun 15 22:20:41 <Hamzifer> ie, is it actually a publically routed internet ip?
Jun 15 22:21:02 <mykael> yeah me neither xandrake_ at first i did
Jun 15 22:21:06 <Hamzifer> or part of the private non-internet-routed ranges?
Jun 15 22:21:28 <mykael> i mean its IP4
Jun 15 22:21:37 <mykael> if thats what you mean :(
Jun 15 22:21:46 <mykael> not sure what the ranges are
Jun 15 22:21:51 <Hamzifer> it's not. could you tell me what the ip is? remove the last octet if you're concerned
Jun 15 22:21:52 <xandrake_> yea, a c-class IPV4 addy
Jun 15 22:22:02 <konsoleX> and dropbear is running on port (222 is default)?
Jun 15 22:22:12 <xandrake_> 172.120.84.xx
Jun 15 22:22:18 <mykael> 72.57.146.xxx
Jun 15 22:22:19 <xandrake_> 222 is correct
Jun 15 22:22:29 <mykael> port 222 correct ;-) same
Jun 15 22:23:26 <mykael> i even tried re running the job (webos-sshenabler)
Jun 15 22:23:36 <Hamzifer> public IP at least, but it's possible sprint's filtering new inbound connections
Jun 15 22:24:06 <xandrake_> I'd much rather connect with WIFI for personal h4x things anywho..
Jun 15 22:24:11 <aewilliamsllc> alrighty then...totally iggyd...anyone want to pm with a beginner and help me get talk.py to run?
Jun 15 22:24:23 <xandrake_> the only reason I'd want to ssh with EVDO ip is for a security app I want to write.
Jun 15 22:25:15 <mykael> i am just curious on my end why i can't ssh with EVDO, but i was able to before
Jun 15 22:25:25 <WDS-Scott> dropbear or openssh
Jun 15 22:25:34 <WDS-Scott> any preferences?
Jun 15 22:25:49 <mykael> dropbear is what i am using, haven't tried openssh
Jun 15 22:26:05 <xandrake_> <-- openssh   :D
Jun 15 22:27:04 <xandrake_> member:xandrake_
Jun 15 22:27:09 <xandrake_> ftw
Jun 15 22:29:19 <rwhitby> xandrake_: can you update the wiki page so that the openssh upstart script allows root login with keys only?
Jun 15 22:29:48 <xandrake_> I have no password, good sir.
Jun 15 22:30:59 <xandrake_> Been a lurker thus far. haha
Jun 15 22:31:02 <xandrake_> I'll make an acct.
Jun 15 22:31:19 <jblebrun_irssi> rwhitby: Do you have the ability to grant wiki write access?
Jun 15 22:31:45 <jblebrun_irssi> Oops, meeting time, bbiab
Jun 15 22:32:06 <rwhitby> jblebrun_irssi: just /msg'd you the pw
Jun 15 22:33:29 <xandrake_> eek -- dinner time. catch you all later.
Jun 15 22:33:32 * steviebuns finds that the Pre makes a less than convincing iPod as far as Amarok is concerned....
Jun 15 22:33:46 * xandrake_ is idling.
Jun 15 22:33:54 <hemna> I noticed I'm getting a lot of root system messages from the Pre when I don't have it plugged in to power....
Jun 15 22:34:02 <hemna> it's going to sleep and waking up frequently
Jun 15 22:34:45 <hemna> guess that's it's attempt to save power?
Jun 15 22:36:09 <dreadchicken> the messages are from wall.
Jun 15 22:38:11 <bdumm> is the dataimport program a default option? mine was turned off...
Jun 15 22:38:40 <MyNameIsJon> well, the messages are from powerd via wall
Jun 15 22:38:59 <MyNameIsJon> annoying as poop, too
Jun 15 22:39:23 <rwhitby> chmod ugo-x wall ....
Jun 15 22:40:14 <MyNameIsJon> I tried out w5mw's roam only patch. works well.  found one small display bug when going back into the phone preferences screen,  going to take a look at the code after i eat
Jun 15 22:40:34 <hemna> yah annoying
Jun 15 22:40:40 <MyNameIsJon> there is a "real" way to turn off system messages, I forget what it is, though
Jun 15 22:41:13 <MyNameIsJon> something with ear muffs or something sticks in my head.  used to use it to ignore talk requests back in the day?
Jun 15 22:41:32 <rwhitby> something -n I think
Jun 15 22:42:16 <rwhitby> mesg -n
Jun 15 22:42:29 <MyNameIsJon> DESCRIPTION        Wall  sends  a  message  to everybody logged in with their        mesg(1) permission set to yes.
Jun 15 22:42:32 <MyNameIsJon> bah, too slow
Jun 15 22:42:33 <rwhitby> oops "mesg n" - dunno if it works on pre
Jun 15 22:43:41 <MyNameIsJon> anyone hack together a dynamic dns client overnight?
Jun 15 22:43:59 <WDS-Scott> http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 15 22:44:02 <WDS-Scott> 13b.
Jun 15 22:44:04 <oc80z> umm
Jun 15 22:44:06 <MyNameIsJon> pre pullingj@castle:/var/home/pullingj$ mesg is y
Jun 15 22:44:11 <oc80z> what do you mean
Jun 15 22:44:26 <WDS-Scott> would i cd /etc/even.d
Jun 15 22:44:33 <oc80z> like afraid.org/dyndns/zoneedit?
Jun 15 22:44:53 <WDS-Scott> then pico openssh and drop that code in there?
Jun 15 22:45:11 <dreadchicken> MyNameIsJon, ez-ipupdate works fine and i've been using it for several days without incident.
Jun 15 22:45:18 <dreadchicken> ^in optware
Jun 15 22:45:19 <MyNameIsJon> oc80z: yes.  my evdo IP changes quite frequently
Jun 15 22:45:50 <MyNameIsJon> I'll check that one, was looking for a scipt option after the stories of issues with ddclient from optware
Jun 15 22:46:10 <oc80z> may be we can use INADYN
Jun 15 22:46:19 <MyNameIsJon> I used to have my ppp-up script do that stuff back in the day
Jun 15 22:46:32 <dreadchicken> i tried a couple of them and this one just works, take ~500k for the 2 seconds an update takes, put it into /etc/ppp/ppp-up.d (or some such)
Jun 15 22:46:39 <Nemix> MyNameIsJon: check the logs as yesterday someone indicated they had written one and another person indicated there was command that could easily be altered
Jun 15 22:46:40 <hemna> looks like capturing an image isn't super straight forward
Jun 15 22:47:05 <hemna> lots of hacks even documented in palm's code to suck an image off the camera
Jun 15 22:47:08 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 15 22:47:10 * konsoleX is using ddclient
Jun 15 22:47:23 <JackieRip-AFK> I wrote a script, but as dreadchicken said, ez-ipupdate works, and is far simpler
Jun 15 22:47:48 <MyNameIsJon> I need one keeps some kind of status on the device.  my provider will lock your account if you "update" an ip that didn't change too much
Jun 15 22:47:48 <JackieRipper> I think I've already deleted the script
Jun 15 22:47:59 <MyNameIsJon> I'll check ez-ipudate
Jun 15 22:48:00 <dreadchicken> ezupdate has no deps
Jun 15 22:48:04 <JackieRipper> yeah, that's what my script did
Jun 15 22:48:10 <oc80z> i am syncing now but
Jun 15 22:48:16 <oc80z> may be we can use INADYN??
Jun 15 22:48:23 <oc80z> http://www.inatech.eu/inadyn/
Jun 15 22:48:35 <oc80z> yes ofc we can use that.
Jun 15 22:48:41 <MyNameIsJon> hrmm, now I need a way to keep the pre from shutting down wifi when it sleeps
Jun 15 22:48:41 <dreadchicken> oc80z, haven't tried it...got to ez-ipupdate and had a usable solution and stopped.
Jun 15 22:48:53 <MyNameIsJon> well, i guess not if I get dynamic dns working
Jun 15 22:49:16 <konsoleX> MyNameIsJon: optware perl and ddclient works fine
Jun 15 22:49:18 <oc80z> MyNameIsJon its possible
Jun 15 22:49:32 <dreadchicken> that was it, ddclient needed perl.
Jun 15 22:49:43 <oc80z> bbiab
Jun 15 22:50:02 <MyNameIsJon> konsolex: ddclient caused "heat" and battery life issues for some people I was reading yesterday
Jun 15 22:50:32 <MyNameIsJon> I removed ddclient and perl while looking for another solution, going to give ez-ipudate a try
Jun 15 22:50:35 <konsoleX> i set mine to 3600 seconds instead of 60?
Jun 15 22:50:39 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: Are you sure you got the else_if statement from the patch inputted correctly? I was seeing the same display issue as you until I added the else_if for roamonly.
Jun 15 22:50:49 <dreadchicken> root@@castle:/etc/ppp/ip-up.d$ cat 09updatedns
Jun 15 22:50:50 <dreadchicken> #!/bin/sh
Jun 15 22:50:50 <dreadchicken> /opt/bin/ez-ipupdate -c /opt/etc/ipupdate.conf -f -F /home/root/ez/ezrun --cache-file /home/root/ez/ipcache -q
Jun 15 22:51:05 <MyNameIsJon> w5mw: 95% sure
Jun 15 22:51:12 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: Haven't been able to reproduce your issue using the patch file I posted
Jun 15 22:51:12 <MyNameIsJon> one second
Jun 15 22:51:28 <MyNameIsJon> I didn't install patch
Jun 15 22:51:43 <MyNameIsJon> so I just patched it by hand which could lead to errors
Jun 15 22:52:19 <MyNameIsJon> did you see my screenshot on precentral forums?
Jun 15 22:52:27 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: If it still has that display issue, I'd like to get it sorted out. I just can't reproduce it on my end.
Jun 15 22:52:35 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: Yea
Jun 15 22:52:54 <MyNameIsJon> I'll take a look at it now.  small display/ ui issue
Jun 15 22:53:12 <MyNameIsJon> if i wanted to go to sprint only after roam only, I need to go through automatic first.
Jun 15 22:53:44 <w5mw> let me check again on my pre. So going from Roam only to Sprint only is where the issue is?
Jun 15 22:54:10 <MyNameIsJon> well, when you are in roam only, and then go to the prefences screen, it looks like my second screen shot.
Jun 15 22:54:28 <MyNameIsJon> ie sprint only shown as selected, but it is actually in roam only
Jun 15 22:55:24 <w5mw> ok.. That's what I thought you were saying.. I can't reproduce it. Please check your else_if for roam only against the patch file.. If you don't see any issue with that, let me know.
Jun 15 22:56:31 <MyNameIsJon> w5mw: here is the diff from the orginal file and my version: http://webos.pastebin.com/m5c6123eb
Jun 15 22:57:57 <MyNameIsJon> I had forgot the new comma after $L("AUtomatic) line the first time I tried to implement it and got a white card
Jun 15 22:58:52 <spotter_> w5mw: you beat me by a few hours to the roam only hack :)
Jun 15 22:59:05 <job59> what os will the pre revert to after a #rtn?
Jun 15 22:59:19 <spotter_> though I was at a disadvantage as don't have a pre :)
Jun 15 22:59:34 <job59> 1.0.1 or 1.0.2?
Jun 15 22:59:48 <w5mw> spotter_: didn't know anyone else was working on it.. It was driving me nuts though, so I thought I'd try to figure it out. It ended up being pretty easy as you saw.
Jun 15 23:00:00 <pyrognome> hello all. Has any one played with the PDF rotation on the wiki?
Jun 15 23:00:22 <MyNameIsJon> I think sargun? was working on it
Jun 15 23:00:31 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: I'm looking at your diff now
Jun 15 23:00:33 <MyNameIsJon> check the logs
Jun 15 23:00:51 <spotter_> well, I was thinking about it
Jun 15 23:00:56 <spotter_> wasn't working on it till sunday
Jun 15 23:00:57 <MyNameIsJon> only other instance of homeonly not in your patch is in the dataroaming section
Jun 15 23:01:02 <spotter_> took me about an hour of grepping :)
Jun 15 23:01:05 <spotter_> maybe less
Jun 15 23:01:15 <spotter_> my brain doesn't do javascript
Jun 15 23:01:22 <spotter_> nice clean C code is so much nicer :)
Jun 15 23:02:40 <Lurking_Grue> webshell is fun... pity every command I type gets auto capitalized.
Jun 15 23:02:47 <sebkom> (okay, I hope this doesn't result in a billion of messages containing the word n00b)
Jun 15 23:02:50 <sebkom> is there any chance your hacking can lead to a gsm version or is that something entirely different?
Jun 15 23:03:12 <MyNameIsJon> not unless you have a gsm radio lying around
Jun 15 23:03:13 <dreadchicken> do we know how to detect if the wifi and bt radios are on?  i can query eth0 for an address, but that doesn't tell me if the radio is actually on or off.
Jun 15 23:03:15 <w5mw> MyNameIJon: Typo in you diff
Jun 15 23:03:27 <Ajaxify> sebkom: that would most likely require different hardware. It may be possible to hack it onto Verizon however.
Jun 15 23:03:27 <bpadalino> sebkom, not quite something that can be done with the current hardware in there (i believe) .. i don't think the MSM6800 RF front end will handle fast GSM ..
Jun 15 23:03:31 <bpadalino> it may support GPRS
Jun 15 23:03:38 <w5mw> this.voiceRoaminModel.currentVoiceRoaming = "roamonly";
Jun 15 23:03:40 <MyNameIsJon> w5mw: sweet where?
Jun 15 23:03:46 <w5mw> missing a g
Jun 15 23:03:56 <bpadalino> Roman voice
Jun 15 23:04:00 <bpadalino> sounds manly
Jun 15 23:04:06 <MyNameIsJon> haha I want roman voice
Jun 15 23:04:17 <steviebuns> bpadalino: but will it do shortwave?
Jun 15 23:04:17 <C4colo> so, what's it say when you "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ?
Jun 15 23:04:38 <bpadalino> steviebuns, it's probably giving off a good amount of emi!! i should put it up next to the spectrum analyzer tomorrow
Jun 15 23:04:41 <bpadalino> and see what it's sending out
Jun 15 23:04:53 <bpadalino> in airplane mode - maybe i'll see some spurs
Jun 15 23:05:02 <w5mw> should be: this.voiceRoamingModel.currentVoiceRoaming = "roamonly";
Jun 15 23:05:09 <MyNameIsJon> C4colo: http://webos.pastebin.com/d68fd00fa
Jun 15 23:05:18 <steviebuns> bp: eh, if it's less than a kW, I don't get too nervous.
Jun 15 23:05:21 <bpadalino> maybe they should always have cat output "meow"
Jun 15 23:05:24 <MyNameIsJon> that information is in the wiki under tidbits i think
Jun 15 23:05:28 <C4colo> MyNameIsJon: thank you =)
Jun 15 23:05:41 <bpadalino> steviebuns: really? i get nervous with our 5W radios if i hold them up to my head for long enough
Jun 15 23:05:43 <ryanworl> bpadalino: how goes the USB stuff?
Jun 15 23:05:53 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: Let me know if that fixes the display issue...
Jun 15 23:05:59 <bpadalino> ryanworl: good - i am just about to upload a document describing the pmux stuff i think
Jun 15 23:06:02 <cyanidepoison> grr my nick got changed again
Jun 15 23:06:04 <bpadalino> let me commit and upload, hold it
Jun 15 23:06:45 <MyNameIsJon> Probably a dumb question, but what does enable developer mode actually do? and why are people using rootfs_open -w instead of mount -o remount, rw
Jun 15 23:06:53 <MyNameIsJon> w5mw, checking now
Jun 15 23:07:28 <bpadalino> MyNameIsJon: rootfs_open does the same thing - it was just a handy script
Jun 15 23:07:45 <bpadalino> developer mode adds novacomd to run
Jun 15 23:07:47 <MyNameIsJon> for the root partition?  rootfs_open seems to make it survive reboots?
Jun 15 23:08:10 <d03boy> hi friends
Jun 15 23:09:49 <cyanidepoison> I'm stilly disappointed that no one has tried getting doctor to restore a modified rootfs
Jun 15 23:10:12 <cyanidepoison> that was like the holy grail for the iPhone world
Jun 15 23:10:24 <C4colo> ok, so I'm about 96% convinced to stay with sprint for another 2 years and grab the pre... it's a tough choice because I"m out of my contract in 1 month
Jun 15 23:10:29 <cyanidepoison> getting iTunes to restore modified firmware that is...
Jun 15 23:10:47 <bpadalino> MyNameIsJon: yeah i tlooks like it touches /var/.rootfs_Rw which makes it persistent across reboots
Jun 15 23:11:23 <Binarytech> cyanide that is what i'm thinking we will end up doing if the next update kills any backdoor access
Jun 15 23:11:29 <Binarytech> what is what we did on HTC also
Jun 15 23:11:42 <w5mw> spotter_: Yeah, I did a bunch of recursive find/greps before I figured it out.
Jun 15 23:11:44 <MyNameIsJon> w5mw: that fixed it, thanks
Jun 15 23:12:00 <w5mw> MyNameIsJon: great.
Jun 15 23:12:03 <MyNameIsJon> I'll go update my post on precentral
Jun 15 23:12:36 <ridius> Hey all. Just wanted to say thanks for the information on your site. Got SSH, custom Universal Search, and extra launcher pages up in no time flat!
Jun 15 23:12:54 <MyNameIsJon> I think the white card for syntax errors should be mentioned on the wiki somewhere pretty obvious.  becuase if i hadn't seen previous discussion of it on the irc channel I prbly would have crapped my pants
Jun 15 23:12:59 <dreadchicken> ridius, good to hear, enjoy.
Jun 15 23:13:11 <ridius> dreadchicken: thanks... I already am ;)
Jun 15 23:14:00 <w5mw> Hey FYI on the white cards. It logs sytax errors etc to /var/log/messages
Jun 15 23:14:05 <bpadalino> white card for syntax errors ?
Jun 15 23:14:21 <bpadalino> oh - when there are syntax errors, webkit renders white ?
Jun 15 23:14:37 <hemna> ok folks..heading home
Jun 15 23:14:48 <MyNameIsJon> oh, and btw "mesg n" does not stop the powerd walls.
Jun 15 23:15:29 <dreadchicken> just chmod -x it?
Jun 15 23:15:43 <MyNameIsJon> syntax errors in the code for a card seem to easily cause it to show up as a blank card.  I was missing a comma, and the previous discussion I saw was missing a close brace
Jun 15 23:15:56 <ridius> Interesting. Palm forums say that tethering is supported by the hardware, just Sprint told them to disable it. I wonder what'll happen when the Sprint exclusivity is up :O
Jun 15 23:16:08 <MyNameIsJon> I believe some errors do pop out in messages, though
Jun 15 23:16:46 <MyNameIsJon> I'll probly just use masquerade over wifi if it comes down to it
Jun 15 23:17:21 <MyNameIsJon> err, what w5mw said ;)
Jun 15 23:19:46 <C4colo> ok, I can't find the actual Mhz of the CPU anywhere ... any specs on that?
Jun 15 23:20:20 <ridius> I don't think any are published
Jun 15 23:20:28 <C4colo> hmm
Jun 15 23:20:28 <MyNameIsJon> C4colo: did you look in the wiki?  If it isn't there it is prbly in engadget's review or on precentral somewhere
Jun 15 23:20:29 <job59> 6mo sprint exclusivity in only in the us, many carriers outside the us will have it before the 6mos are up.
Jun 15 23:20:33 <ridius> But you can try to ssh in and cat /proc/cpuinfo (if they're using proc on the Pre)
Jun 15 23:20:42 <C4colo> and cpuinfo doesn't say
Jun 15 23:20:44 <dreadchicken> C4colo, 125 to 600 iirc
Jun 15 23:20:44 <MyNameIsJon> very similar to iphone 3gs from what I understand
Jun 15 23:21:00 <dreadchicken> it is in sys somewhere.
Jun 15 23:21:08 <C4colo> nice
Jun 15 23:21:56 <MyNameIsJon> hah, like apple ][ gs was a souped up ][e, so is the iphone 3gs.  funny apple
Jun 15 23:21:56 <j0sh> so
Jun 15 23:21:58 <bdumm>  @fileOverview Nothing to see here, move along. lol
Jun 15 23:22:02 <job59> 600mhz officially, its underclocked to 500 at startup do to a design issue
Jun 15 23:22:15 <j0sh> battery question
Jun 15 23:22:40 <j0sh> if i set noip to poll my address once a minute, will that severely drain my battery
Jun 15 23:22:50 <j0sh> like, its not a lot of communication
Jun 15 23:22:54 <j0sh> very minimal
Jun 15 23:22:57 <jblebrun_irssi> Hah.... I never thought of the 3gs tie in
Jun 15 23:23:04 <MyNameIsJon> it'll keep the data connection up which is power
Jun 15 23:23:15 <dreadchicken> j0sh, i suspect so.
Jun 15 23:23:22 <j0sh> so the data connection shuts itself down when not in use?
Jun 15 23:23:26 <dreadchicken> j0sh, why would you do that?
Jun 15 23:23:27 <j0sh> whats the timeout
Jun 15 23:23:34 <bpadalino> the evdo will go dormant
Jun 15 23:23:47 <MyNameIsJon> can the network awaken the evdo connection?
Jun 15 23:23:58 <summatusmentis> j0sh: I would figure out how long before Sprint changes your ip
Jun 15 23:24:05 <j0sh> basically when the evdo goes dormant it loses your IP almost immediately
Jun 15 23:24:16 <dreadchicken> j0sh, and?
Jun 15 23:24:18 <summatusmentis> oh, that's annoying
Jun 15 23:24:19 <j0sh> which is why i dont want no-ip to wait 30 minutes
Jun 15 23:24:27 <j0sh> before updating
Jun 15 23:24:32 <j0sh> that would defeat the entire purpose
Jun 15 23:24:34 <MyNameIsJon> just run something on the pre then
Jun 15 23:24:34 <summatusmentis> right
Jun 15 23:24:43 <dreadchicken> use another service?
Jun 15 23:24:46 <MyNameIsJon> cron a ping of yahoo.com
Jun 15 23:24:52 <j0sh> rofl
Jun 15 23:24:57 <j0sh> thats not the problem
Jun 15 23:24:58 <j0sh> like
Jun 15 23:25:06 <steviebuns> j0sh: it should run every time the IP changes then, or every time a network connection is established
Jun 15 23:25:10 <C4colo> j0sh: run your own DNS server ... use dynamic update to push to your own server
Jun 15 23:25:25 <j0sh> C4colo, explain
Jun 15 23:25:36 <C4colo> use a keypair for auth so that you can come in on any ip ... since you can't be sure
Jun 15 23:25:37 <j0sh> oh
Jun 15 23:25:53 <j0sh> my issue is knowing the device's evdo IP
Jun 15 23:25:55 <j0sh> at all times
Jun 15 23:25:57 <MyNameIsJon> you don't need your own dns server, dyndns.org allows you to update like that.
Jun 15 23:25:59 <j0sh> not my own
Jun 15 23:26:03 <j0sh> no-ip does that too
Jun 15 23:26:10 <C4colo> as often as you want?
Jun 15 23:26:11 <dreadchicken> j0sh, instead of eating your battery trying to avoid your ip changing why wouldn't you just report on change via /etc/ppp/ip-up.d?  that's what i do
Jun 15 23:26:24 <j0sh> dreadchicken, thats better
Jun 15 23:26:26 <MyNameIsJon> what dreadchicken said
Jun 15 23:26:27 <C4colo> even better idea
Jun 15 23:26:28 <j0sh> how do i do it
Jun 15 23:26:36 <j0sh> see thats the solution im looking for
Jun 15 23:26:42 <dreadchicken> scroll up
Jun 15 23:26:55 <spotter_> j0sh: any scrip in that dir is called every time ppp interface comes up
Jun 15 23:27:07 <j0sh> ok
Jun 15 23:27:18 <dreadchicken> root@castle:/etc/ppp/ip-up.d# ls
Jun 15 23:27:19 <dreadchicken> 08setupdns   09updatedns
Jun 15 23:27:19 <dreadchicken> root@castle:/etc/ppp/ip-up.d# cat 09updatedns
Jun 15 23:27:19 <dreadchicken> #!/bin/sh
Jun 15 23:27:19 <dreadchicken> /opt/bin/ez-ipupdate -c /opt/etc/ipupdate.conf -f -F /home/root/ez/ezrun --cache-file /home/root/ez/ipcache -q
Jun 15 23:27:29 <donquixoteh> hellow, I'm having trouble rooting my pre
Jun 15 23:27:36 <donquixoteh> hello*
Jun 15 23:27:52 <MyNameIsJon> my problem was windows7, what's yours?
Jun 15 23:28:18 <donquixoteh> just new to linux, and not entirely sure how to do this :
Jun 15 23:28:20 <donquixoteh> # Get the rooter from subversion: http://svn.saurik.com/repos/webos-dev/trunk/rooter/
Jun 15 23:28:20 <donquixoteh> # Run talk.py inside of the rooter in subversion, it'll output a bunch of lines. If you see an error, join the irc (irc.freenode.net #webos-internals)
Jun 15 23:28:31 <j0sh> i dont think no-ip linux client allows for an update-now-then-kill-process operation
Jun 15 23:28:40 <j0sh> so is there another way to do it
Jun 15 23:28:45 <dreadchicken> read above, use another service.
Jun 15 23:28:58 <j0sh> yeah im a bit lost :/
Jun 15 23:29:20 <j0sh> i thought you were telling me to run the no-ip client for an immediate update by using that script
Jun 15 23:29:42 <dreadchicken> no, ez-ipupdate is a multi-service dyn dns updater.
Jun 15 23:29:48 <MyNameIsJon> j0sh try a different updater script like ez-ipupdate
Jun 15 23:29:52 <j0sh> ok
Jun 15 23:29:55 <dmr> anyone know where the webkit files/configuration is stored on the pre?
Jun 15 23:30:21 <MyNameIsJon> and if noip doesn't allow you to update ip that often, pick a different provider. there are tons of them.
Jun 15 23:30:28 <scm6079> dmr: which files are you looking for in particular?
Jun 15 23:30:37 <dmr> well i'm trying to change the default user agent
Jun 15 23:31:07 <dmr> so wherever that would be located
Jun 15 23:31:14 <dreadchicken> pre charges at ~685mA via wall wart.
Jun 15 23:31:29 <j0sh> hm
Jun 15 23:31:44 <j0sh> yeah id have to use a different provider, that script doesnt support no-ip
Jun 15 23:31:50 <scm6079> user agent is in the binary .so. :(
Jun 15 23:31:52 <j0sh> shame, i have all my other dynamic hosts on no-ip
Jun 15 23:32:12 <scm6079> libWebKitLuna.so
Jun 15 23:32:17 <aubilenon> dreadchicken: is that the capacity of the ac adaptor, the current drawn by the pre, or the current drawn by the touchstone?
Jun 15 23:32:22 <MyNameIsJon> j0sh: you could probably make the script work for no-ip, but a different provider will be easier
Jun 15 23:32:38 <aubilenon> I think you're not supposed to pull > 500 mA over USB
Jun 15 23:32:48 <dreadchicken> aubilenon, current reported by the pre.
Jun 15 23:33:06 <dmr> hmm that's unfortunate
Jun 15 23:33:22 <aubilenon> dreadchicken: oh!
Jun 15 23:33:35 <aubilenon> on the touchstone, or plugged in?
Jun 15 23:33:39 <aubilenon> (I wonder if it differs)
Jun 15 23:33:44 <dreadchicken> aubilenon, correct...it's down at ~350mA via usb.
Jun 15 23:33:56 <MyNameIsJon> my touchstone is reporting 530-550mA
Jun 15 23:34:03 <C4colo> the cool thing about running your own DNS server is that you can use standards-compliant mechanisms for updating
Jun 15 23:34:27 <C4colo> run bind and just use a normal dns update utilitly for linux
Jun 15 23:34:36 <C4colo> bind on server, update util on your pre
Jun 15 23:34:41 <MyNameIsJon> having your dns server would require having a domain name, too
Jun 15 23:34:42 <Sargun> C4colo, I run PDNS
Jun 15 23:34:48 <Sargun> MyNameIsJon, costs like $5
Jun 15 23:34:51 <scm6079> Before I start writing a browser plugin for framebuffer access from Luna - has anyone here started writing one yet (I'd hate to duplicate such a big task)?
Jun 15 23:34:55 <MyNameIsJon> Sargun: I know
Jun 15 23:34:55 <C4colo> domain names are cheap
Jun 15 23:35:00 <C4colo> $10/yr
Jun 15 23:35:03 <bpadalino> djbdns is the only dns i use!
Jun 15 23:35:03 <d03boy> hi people. Would you say webOS is better than G android?
Jun 15 23:35:04 <MyNameIsJon> I just renewed mine
Jun 15 23:35:05 <C4colo> I have at least 6 to my name
Jun 15 23:35:13 <Sargun> d03boy, yup.
Jun 15 23:35:14 <scm6079> do3boy: yes.
Jun 15 23:35:15 <C4colo> last time I counted
Jun 15 23:35:20 <Sargun> MyNameIsJon, the expensive part is the internet access
Jun 15 23:35:27 <C4colo> wait, I bought 4 more in the past year
Jun 15 23:35:27 <MyNameIsJon> run bind on the pre?
Jun 15 23:35:28 <d03boy> Sargun scm6079 I sort of got that impressin too
Jun 15 23:35:29 <C4colo> I have about 10
Jun 15 23:35:32 <MyNameIsJon> there's an option
Jun 15 23:35:35 <C4colo> run bind on a server
Jun 15 23:35:41 <MyNameIsJon> ;)
Jun 15 23:35:46 <C4colo> but you could
Jun 15 23:35:54 <C4colo> I was curious the CPU, I'd like to run asterisk on the PRE
Jun 15 23:36:00 <dreadchicken> scm6079, not knowing android...any specifics you like?
Jun 15 23:36:07 <MyNameIsJon> someone has a webserver running on his pre
Jun 15 23:36:16 <MyNameIsJon> asterix is in optware
Jun 15 23:36:17 <Sargun> C4colo, no.
Jun 15 23:36:20 <C4colo> asterisk doesn't use much RAM, but it needs about 500Mhz to run a few channels of audio
Jun 15 23:36:33 <C4colo> no?
Jun 15 23:36:35 <Sargun> C4colo, I don't think anyone has figured out how to pull audio yet
Jun 15 23:36:45 <C4colo> oh, well, it doesn't have to participate
Jun 15 23:36:49 <aubilenon> a few channels seems like more than you'd need
Jun 15 23:36:56 <MyNameIsJon> anyone know how to make system sounds output over a2dp?
Jun 15 23:36:57 <dreadchicken> MyNameIsJon, had one running last monday night(?) and pxe booted and built a system off my pre on Tuesday.
Jun 15 23:36:57 <C4colo> it could just be a hub with wi-fi sip phones running off it .. lol
Jun 15 23:37:04 <d03boy> anyone from the Milwaukee area? I'm curious as to whether the service around here is worthy
Jun 15 23:37:13 <Sargun> EvanPro_, Ping.
Jun 15 23:37:27 <scm6079> dreadchicken: yes - pre has a very complete linux underneath - and a simpler display manager.  It will be a minor pain for us until a few browser plugins are written to give access to hw via the front end -- but in the end will be nice
Jun 15 23:37:32 <C4colo> anyway, console/dsp access would be really cool
Jun 15 23:37:46 <MyNameIsJon> d03boy: I find i hard to believe that any metro would not be worth running any major carrier
Jun 15 23:37:47 <bpadalino> the dsp apparently gets dynamically loaded
Jun 15 23:37:54 <C4colo> or run a sip client on it in software, but that could steal CPU from asterisk
Jun 15 23:38:06 <bpadalino> using the dspbridge
Jun 15 23:38:18 <MyNameIsJon> granted att does not have "3g" here in outlying jacksonville, fl areas
Jun 15 23:38:25 <dreadchicken> thanks scm6079.
Jun 15 23:38:35 <MyNameIsJon> reports from a friend with an iphone3g at work
Jun 15 23:38:43 <aubilenon> http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/IMPACT.jsp  <- dunno how accurate this is
Jun 15 23:39:02 <MyNameIsJon> and with "free" roaming who really cares?
Jun 15 23:39:17 <MyNameIsJon> sprint's plans are tons cheaper than other carriers
Jun 15 23:39:28 <Sargun> yup
Jun 15 23:39:30 <aubilenon> you don't get roaming data access do you?
Jun 15 23:39:33 <aubilenon> I didn't this weekend
Jun 15 23:39:47 <aubilenon> either that or google maps was just cranky
Jun 15 23:39:49 <MyNameIsJon> the $99 iphone might look good until you realize you'll be paying a couple grand extra by the time your contract is up
Jun 15 23:39:49 <C4colo> I roamed data all the way to texas from colorado and back
Jun 15 23:39:52 <C4colo> never cost me anything
Jun 15 23:40:17 <bpadalino> for those of you looking to poke around with the dsp on the pre: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto
Jun 15 23:40:24 <MyNameIsJon> I think as long as you aren't roaming 100% of the time, you should be fine
Jun 15 23:40:26 <bpadalino> works well
Jun 15 23:40:35 <d03boy> How is programming on the Pre? Is there an API somewhere? What language is supported?
Jun 15 23:40:36 <j0sh> herewego dyndns =[
Jun 15 23:40:37 <j0sh> dammit
Jun 15 23:40:57 <bpadalino> d03boy: no language is officially supported yet as there is no sdk released
Jun 15 23:41:04 <MyNameIsJon> and even if you had one month of pure roaming, as long as you could explain it as a "trip" or vacation and a one time thing you'd still be fine
Jun 15 23:41:13 <bpadalino> but enough of the system is understood that you can write most any language and have it run on the pre
Jun 15 23:41:18 <d03boy> bpadalino, they havent specified what will be used?
Jun 15 23:41:30 <bpadalino> d03boy: officially it will be html/js/css
Jun 15 23:41:32 <MyNameIsJon> depends on what you mean by programing for the pre
Jun 15 23:41:35 <C4colo> I have to say the worst roaming experience I had was going from colorado (with great analog / TDMA tri-band coverage) to Chicago (almost all GSM, no analog / TDMA, spotty, constantly roaming) back when I still had a tri-band phone
Jun 15 23:41:47 <C4colo> now TDMA is dead
Jun 15 23:41:48 <d03boy> Programming = making apps I suppose
Jun 15 23:42:01 <MyNameIsJon> getting standard unix programs to run on it works fine.  getting stuff on the phone's ui is where the issue currently is
Jun 15 23:42:11 <d03boy> oh right, its linux. I forgot
Jun 15 23:42:16 <aubilenon> we can run code, but not apps.  :D
Jun 15 23:42:29 <d03boy> but you have to hack it?
Jun 15 23:42:32 <MyNameIsJon> is analog even up any more? aren't pretty much any phone you can get digital only now?  does onstar still use analog phones?
Jun 15 23:42:34 <d03boy> or rather, root it
Jun 15 23:42:44 <scm6079> do3boy -- check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAc8E9sFhk
Jun 15 23:42:48 <j0sh> rooting it is the first step to accessing the linux OS
Jun 15 23:42:48 <bpadalino> analog is gone - all towers turned off
Jun 15 23:42:51 <d03boy> MyNameIsJon, I think analog network runs for security/safety purposes
Jun 15 23:42:52 <C4colo> standard being normal command line stuff like vim / nano / mlocate / dig / nslookup / cat / echo / etc?
Jun 15 23:43:00 <cyanidepoison> I would be severely disappointed if it was Java.
Jun 15 23:43:10 <scm6079> aubilenon: speak for yourself. ;)  Apps are running..
Jun 15 23:43:14 <MyNameIsJon> hrmm, i need to did out my 900MHz scanner and see
Jun 15 23:43:17 <C4colo> what about more complex command-line only stuff?
Jun 15 23:43:19 <MyNameIsJon> s/did/dig
Jun 15 23:43:19 <bpadalino> cyanidepoison: there is a jvm installed and it does run a significant portion of the processing
Jun 15 23:43:25 <Orion_PK> damn, if that map is accurate
Jun 15 23:43:28 <Orion_PK> Im glad I live in MN
Jun 15 23:43:33 <C4colo> 900mhz scanner? you mean your old UHF TV set?
Jun 15 23:43:43 <cyanidepoison> yeah I've heard that Luna or whatever the big part of the phone is, is written in Java
Jun 15 23:43:45 <C4colo> I used to listen to analog telephone conversations when I was a kid in the UHF bands between channels
Jun 15 23:43:52 <C4colo> ... before I knew it was a felony
Jun 15 23:43:55 <MyNameIsJon> I'd like to get a cross compiler built on my linux box
Jun 15 23:43:55 <aubilenon> scm6079: oh I guess I missed something
Jun 15 23:44:02 <aubilenon> I did see the hello world thing, I Guess
Jun 15 23:44:11 <bpadalino> i listen to cordless phones still
Jun 15 23:44:14 <MyNameIsJon> i guess i can search the optware site for information on how it was built
Jun 15 23:44:21 <rwhitby> MyNameIsJon: yep
Jun 15 23:44:25 <bpadalino> amazing how many people are still on cheap cordless phones
Jun 15 23:44:27 <scm6079> I've got a new camera app, and a camcorder app done too...
Jun 15 23:44:39 <rwhitby> MyNameIsJon: http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware
Jun 15 23:44:43 <MyNameIsJon> pagers were analog if they're still around
Jun 15 23:44:52 <aubilenon> scm6079: and it goes through the regular launcher, etc?
Jun 15 23:44:54 <C4colo> yes they are
Jun 15 23:45:01 <scm6079> Yes - very much so.
Jun 15 23:45:06 <Ajaxify> Has anyone here successfully bypassed the activation or is trying to
Jun 15 23:45:07 <rwhitby> MyNameIsJon: specifically, http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/platforms/toolchain-cs08q1armel.mk
Jun 15 23:45:07 <scm6079> Fully integrated with the phone.
Jun 15 23:45:12 <bpadalino> pagers are analog? how does the data get delivered ?
Jun 15 23:45:15 <scm6079> No framebuffer hacks that shutdown luna.
Jun 15 23:45:16 <MyNameIsJon> rwhitby: thanks
Jun 15 23:45:19 <Ajaxify> (damn ? being right next to enter)
Jun 15 23:45:22 <C4colo> we had an on-call pager until I came on as a contractor and told them they should just use SMS on cell phones
Jun 15 23:45:24 <MyNameIsJon> as audio
Jun 15 23:45:31 <aubilenon> scm: do you have a link to how you did it?
Jun 15 23:45:33 <bpadalino> rwhitby: i didn't realize you were a big VHDL guy until i went to your webpage
Jun 15 23:45:55 <MyNameIsJon> i had a program on my computer that listened to the line-in coming from my scanner that could decode pager data
Jun 15 23:45:56 <aubilenon> or was it just dumb-easy so nevermind?
Jun 15 23:46:07 <scm6079> I've posted some to the wiki -- which is a good place to start.
Jun 15 23:46:26 <C4colo> for about $500 you can buy what you need to set up your own "pirate" pager system
Jun 15 23:46:45 <bpadalino> sounds like a lot of string
Jun 15 23:46:54 <C4colo> it's 27mhz I think, doesn't take much to propigate all over the place
Jun 15 23:47:00 <C4colo> string?
Jun 15 23:47:34 <bpadalino> yeah - and cans .. to get the message around
Jun 15 23:47:41 <MyNameIsJon> C4colo: be an intersting thing for organzied crime, terrorists, drug dealers to do
Jun 15 23:47:53 <MyNameIsJon> way to get around patriot act monitoring of comms
Jun 15 23:48:08 <C4colo> heh
Jun 15 23:48:14 <bpadalino> prepaid cell phones do a better job and have good coverage
Jun 15 23:48:18 <C4colo> now if I can just get a bluetooth pager that can talk to my pre
Jun 15 23:48:22 <dreadchicken> my pre stats: http://pl.g3is.net
Jun 15 23:48:53 <bpadalino> dreadchicken: can we get that in a graph over time ?
Jun 15 23:49:00 <dreadchicken> will be able to
Jun 15 23:49:05 <bpadalino> all columns, please ... selectable as to which are shown
Jun 15 23:49:09 <bpadalino> kthx :)
Jun 15 23:49:24 <rwhitby> tav_: with respect to your question about doing off-log messages, the intention of the channel is that all discussion is publicly logged, so that the discussion self-polices
Jun 15 23:49:34 * rwhitby is reading backlog from last night
Jun 15 23:49:35 <aubilenon> I would like to see a graph of uptime vs time
Jun 15 23:49:38 <C4colo> where is your rrdtool when you need it ?
Jun 15 23:49:44 <dreadchicken> also, if anyone wants to cron the script they can submit as well.
Jun 15 23:49:45 <d03boy> is it worth getting the pre now vs in a couple months?
Jun 15 23:50:06 <MyNameIsJon> the output on this site looks a lot like what i used to see with my scanner: http://www.aaroncake.net/schoolpage/decoder.htm
Jun 15 23:50:14 <aubilenon> d03boy: I can't even imagine how I could answer that for you
Jun 15 23:50:16 <MyNameIsJon> still looking for a sample of the audio
Jun 15 23:50:22 <dreadchicken> i id by hash, not by human identifiable information.
Jun 15 23:50:24 <scm6079> d03boy: now if you want to really play with apps yourself - later if you want to just d/l lots of apps from others.  Early in the game still right now.
Jun 15 23:50:37 <bpadalino> dreadchicken: entry 67 is crazy for load 1 ..
Jun 15 23:50:38 <d03boy> ok
Jun 15 23:50:39 <bpadalino> 18!!
Jun 15 23:50:41 <bpadalino> insano
Jun 15 23:50:44 <d03boy> scm6079, im a programmer so... early i tis
Jun 15 23:50:48 <summatusmentis> d03boy: I'm waiting until at leasat december
Jun 15 23:50:48 <MyNameIsJon> d03boy: if you're asking, prbly wait
Jun 15 23:50:50 <j0sh> dreadchicken, i installed that package and created that script you pasted, and set up the configuration file
Jun 15 23:50:58 <j0sh> is there anything else im going to have to do
Jun 15 23:50:59 <j0sh> and
Jun 15 23:51:01 <aubilenon> summatusmentis: for anotehr carrier?
Jun 15 23:51:07 <j0sh> all those options in the script you pasted, are those required
Jun 15 23:51:16 <summatusmentis> aubilenon: for me to get back from Spain (study abroad)
Jun 15 23:51:30 <C4colo> d03boy: I'm going to get it if I decide to within a month probably
Jun 15 23:51:32 <dreadchicken> bpadalino, yes, i found out that load is a bad indicator for machines like this that sleep.  the run queue has a lot of shit wanting to run when it does wake up.
Jun 15 23:51:43 <dreadchicken> but it probably doesn't do much but go back to sleep.
Jun 15 23:51:48 <d03boy> i just dont want to get caught with an early version that has bugs
Jun 15 23:51:54 <bpadalino> interesting
Jun 15 23:52:03 <scm6079> __ has anyone heard if there is a group starting up to add framebuffer access support to Luna yet? __
Jun 15 23:52:11 <dreadchicken> the machine seems to wakeup ~15-20 minutes when on battery.
Jun 15 23:52:17 <C4colo> d03boy: don't worry, they will force you to upgrade your software
Jun 15 23:52:28 <dreadchicken> that's why i'm looking for ways to tell if wifi/gps/bt are on, to add them.
Jun 15 23:52:33 <d03boy> C4colo, actually more worried about the hardware. How is hw looking?
Jun 15 23:52:42 <C4colo> dunno if they plan to revise it
Jun 15 23:52:52 <C4colo> havn't heard anything personally, just about software updates
Jun 15 23:53:01 <Sargun> Monitor Source: pvoicedial.monitor
Jun 15 23:53:01 <C4colo> and people freaking out about forced updates
Jun 15 23:53:07 <Sargun> device.description = "voice dialling prompts"
Jun 15 23:53:11 <C4colo> it's a good thing if you ask me, as long as they don't pull an apple
Jun 15 23:53:11 <Sargun> in pulseaudio config...
Jun 15 23:53:13 <Sargun> interesting
Jun 15 23:53:28 <dreadchicken> i'm currrently doing a grep on 'addr' to determinte wifi on/off, but that doesn't really test if the radio is on or not.
Jun 15 23:53:34 <bpadalino> someone from palm in here said they wouldn't force updates ..
Jun 15 23:53:56 <C4colo> oh, well engadget or techcrunch or some crap said they would force it
Jun 15 23:54:06 <C4colo> and then the mac fanbois all chimed in and did their happy dance
Jun 15 23:54:08 <MyNameIsJon> ahh, check http://www.kb9ukd.com/digital/ for POCSAG to see what the signal to a pager "sounds" like
Jun 15 23:54:35 <C4colo> "everyone else sucks almost as bad as mac, so ha ha haha ha" or whatever they chant during their happy dance
Jun 15 23:54:53 <rwhitby> bpadalino: I thought the user manual says that the update will be forced on the third try?
Jun 15 23:54:59 <C4colo> sorry, did I forget to mention I dispise apple and their ilk
Jun 15 23:55:02 <scm6079> It won't matter if they force update... honestly, we have access to an accessible rom already, and the tool to flash it to the phone.  It will just be more work to patch the old rom to disable the auto-updates, and add any new features to it.
Jun 15 23:55:13 <bpadalino> rwhitby: matt with the hat said that wasn't true ?
Jun 15 23:55:36 <C4colo> I know that, which is why I'm not worried about it personally
Jun 15 23:55:58 <C4colo> but it's good for most users to be running up to date and secure versions of their software
Jun 15 23:56:20 <C4colo> if you aren't smart enough to prevent it from updating then you probably need to be reminded forcefully to update
Jun 15 23:56:36 <scm6079> C4colo: amen.
Jun 15 23:57:28 <MyNameIsJon> hasn't palm pretty much given their blessing for the hacking we're doing? even going so far as have at /opt, we're not going to use it
Jun 15 23:57:50 <rwhitby> MyNameIsJon: Palm cannot say anything officially
Jun 15 23:58:09 <MyNameIsJon> rwhitby: you know what I mean
Jun 15 23:58:24 <C4colo> yea they didn't ... uh ... "intend" ... or whatever you want to call it ... this hacking ... but um, they didn't make it "difficult" or whatever
Jun 15 23:58:41 <C4colo> "youll have to talk to the PR people about that one"
Jun 15 23:58:43 <MyNameIsJon> palm people have spoken on this channel too, have they not? maybe not in an official capacity but they're around?
Jun 15 23:59:06 <rwhitby> Palm are here, they know exactly what we are doing, and have politely cautioned us about specific areas we may be advised to stay away from.  That's all.
Jun 15 23:59:19 <scm6079> Palm has been very nice to me.  After my stuff got posted to Engadget I was a little worried.
Jun 15 23:59:19 <C4colo> which areas?
Jun 15 23:59:27 <C4colo> those are the ones I want to poke at the most
Jun 15 23:59:45 <rwhitby> C4colo: the areas in the /topic.  The channel on which to do that is also listed there.
Jun 15 23:59:57 <d03boy> how about those screen cracks? What % is getting them?
Jun 15 23:59:59 <aubilenon> they've also given some tips like "I'd avoid that if you want your radio to keep working"
Jun 16 00:00:20 <scm6079> Don't piss off the carriers (ie. sprint).  Don't do anything to circumvent paid services, and don't post ANY of Palm's intellectual property ANYWHERE.  I.e. Don't post their code.
Jun 16 00:00:27 <C4colo> oh just teathering? I knew about that one.
Jun 16 00:00:36 <C4colo> not really interested personally
Jun 16 00:00:46 <C4colo> I just want a good phone, I'm tired of my Treo 700wx
Jun 16 00:01:16 <rwhitby> C4colo: that's why most of us are here.  I want the phone to be good enough to replace a 650 before it gets to .au and I can buy it.
Jun 16 00:01:19 <MyNameIsJon> I won't be surprise if w5mw's roam only patch has to go away
Jun 16 00:01:48 <d03boy> i want the phone to replace my laptop
Jun 16 00:01:53 <d03boy> so I dont even need to use tethering
Jun 16 00:01:57 <C4colo> my 700wx has a roam only option built in
Jun 16 00:02:13 <C4colo> I use it when I'm getting to the end of my minutes
Jun 16 00:02:29 <C4colo> since roaming is free... for some unexplainable reason I can run over my minutes as long as they are roaming minutes
Jun 16 00:02:38 <d03boy> sweet
Jun 16 00:03:20 <C4colo> and you can thank sprint for that bit of information, I never would have known if they hadn't messed up my Sprint-to-home number and my first bill be over $900
Jun 16 00:03:27 <bdumm> its webkit
Jun 16 00:03:45 <C4colo> when the overages started racking up, the roaming minutes did not, they were still $0
Jun 16 00:03:46 <bdumm> eek nm sb *sigh* back to codin...
Jun 16 00:04:17 <MyNameIsJon> C4colo: i think that is because of the lag in roaming minutes getting charged to your account
Jun 16 00:04:26 <d03boy> are ya'll on unlimited accts? its only $99 right?
Jun 16 00:04:40 <MyNameIsJon> and if you are running low on minutes, just call *2 and ask for a bucket, they'll give them to you for free
Jun 16 00:04:53 <MyNameIsJon> i'm on the 450 minute
Jun 16 00:05:02 <MyNameIsJon> and i only use a fraction of those generally
Jun 16 00:05:02 <C4colo> well I rarely run out of minutes ... sprint-to-home is a life saver
Jun 16 00:05:07 <d03boy> MyNameIsJon, are you saying that c4colo is going to pay $930424 this month?
Jun 16 00:05:15 <bpadalino> d03boy: i am on a plan called "Everything plus" - 500 minutes, $60/mo ..
Jun 16 00:05:27 <w5mw> They took the roam only option off of the newer WinMobile phones, but there it was just a registry change away from being re-enabled. If Sprint had better rural coverage I wouldn't even need to use roam only..
Jun 16 00:05:35 <d03boy> bpadalino, unltd interweb?
Jun 16 00:05:38 <MyNameIsJon> i need to get the fave 5 or whatever sprint calls it and add my work numbers to that since that is who most of my calls are too
Jun 16 00:05:52 <bpadalino> yes
Jun 16 00:06:02 <C4colo> the only thing that bugs me is that I can't use their "phone as modem" on most of the modern "everything" plans
Jun 16 00:06:18 <C4colo> I have to ask them to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find the old, normal plans
Jun 16 00:06:53 <bpadalino> phone as a modem used to be a $30 add on i thought
Jun 16 00:06:56 <C4colo> had one guy who was going to save me $20 a month... ended up putting each phone on an individual plan ... costing me about $175 more per month
Jun 16 00:07:18 <C4colo> but he didn't realize it... thought it was a shared plan
Jun 16 00:07:18 <MyNameIsJon> i never "needed" PAM on my treo's, and I don't think I'll need it on the pre
Jun 16 00:07:33 <bpadalino> i've used it when i went to hotel's who wanted to pay for wifi/internet access
Jun 16 00:07:39 <C4colo> I need it about once every 3 or 4 months
Jun 16 00:07:41 <j0sh> dreadchicken, if i run ez-ipupdate manually it updates, but when i turn airplane mode on/off to test the script running, the address doesnt update
Jun 16 00:07:41 <C4colo> for a week or two
Jun 16 00:07:44 <j0sh> any thoughts
Jun 16 00:07:46 <bpadalino> so i would hop on irc, check email, etc - then go to bed
Jun 16 00:07:55 <MyNameIsJon> masquerade over wifi adhoc will prbly negate the need
Jun 16 00:08:08 <d03boy> bpadalino, how many txts
Jun 16 00:08:14 <bpadalino> unlimited
Jun 16 00:08:18 <d03boy> sweet
Jun 16 00:08:20 <MyNameIsJon> i meant, the treo's did "PAM" for free and sprint couldn't tell you were using dialup
Jun 16 00:08:28 <d03boy> bpadalino, is it easy to check your minutes?
Jun 16 00:08:40 <MyNameIsJon> *4
Jun 16 00:08:41 <bpadalino> i don't use more than 30 minutes per month
Jun 16 00:08:47 <bpadalino> especially with n&w starting at 7pm
Jun 16 00:08:50 <rwhitby> what's "PAM' stand for?
Jun 16 00:08:52 <MyNameIsJon> sprintpcs.com
Jun 16 00:08:54 <bpadalino> i work 9-6 ..
Jun 16 00:08:55 <MyNameIsJon> phone as modem
Jun 16 00:08:58 <C4colo> Phone As Mode...yea
Jun 16 00:08:58 <d03boy> bpadalino, oh free n&w? Thats sweet
Jun 16 00:09:14 <bpadalino> d03boy: yeah, sprint has a pretty darn good plan setup
Jun 16 00:09:26 <C4colo> bpadalino: recently
Jun 16 00:09:32 <bpadalino> yes
Jun 16 00:09:34 <bpadalino> recently
Jun 16 00:09:38 <C4colo> I've been a customer for 4 years or so now ... was'nt always that way
Jun 16 00:09:38 <d03boy> bpadalino, yes im impressed
Jun 16 00:09:39 <MyNameIsJon> just remember when you do get charged for roaming minutes they always count against anytime minutes. no matter what time and to who you call
Jun 16 00:09:43 * rwhitby laments that the US carrier system is so confusing that it takes up most of the irc chat traffic ...
Jun 16 00:09:55 <MyNameIsJon> hashah
Jun 16 00:10:00 <aubilenon> I've used phone as modem before, but only because I couldn't look at google docs on my treo
Jun 16 00:10:11 <bpadalino> more info on the plan i am on (it used to be the old SERO plan): http://mcguireslaw.com/2008/07/16/psst-have-you-heard-about-everything-plus/
Jun 16 00:10:31 <rwhitby> perhaps #webos might be better for plan discussions, since it's not really webos-internals ... ?
Jun 16 00:10:32 <bpadalino> rwhitby: do yo still do any VHDL ?
Jun 16 00:10:37 <rwhitby> bpadalino: nope
Jun 16 00:10:38 <bpadalino> oh right
Jun 16 00:10:40 <C4colo> I've head of cole slaw, what's mcguire slaw?
Jun 16 00:10:42 <bpadalino> keep the topic
Jun 16 00:10:51 <aubilenon> bpadalino: the regular 450 minute everything plan with a 25% corp discount is cheaper
Jun 16 00:11:04 <bpadalino> which corp gives you 25% discount ?
Jun 16 00:11:15 <bpadalino> sorry - over to #webos for plan discussion
Jun 16 00:11:17 <rwhitby> yeah, a lot of people read the channel logs, and would prefer to only have on-topic chat so they don't need to read through a whole lot of other stuff to get to the good bits ...
Jun 16 00:11:19 <d03boy> bpadalino, great tip. thanks
Jun 16 00:11:23 <C4colo> damn, what's IRC for but to digress?
Jun 16 00:11:39 <MyNameIsJon> one last hint before i quit the off topic, (Join a credit union that gives you a good sprint discount)
Jun 16 00:12:37 <rwhitby> so, can someone test an openssh setting for allowing root access via ssh key?
Jun 16 00:12:49 <rwhitby> (needs to be someone who has installed openssh instead of dropbear)
Jun 16 00:12:51 <j0sh> ls -la
Jun 16 00:12:54 <j0sh> .
Jun 16 00:13:00 <j0sh> wrong window.
Jun 16 00:13:01 <j0sh> nice.
Jun 16 00:13:01 <C4colo> is dropbear any better than openssh?
Jun 16 00:13:10 <rwhitby> dropbear is smaller, with less features.
Jun 16 00:13:12 <j0sh> dropbear is smaller, if that helps
Jun 16 00:13:27 <rwhitby> specifically, the dropbear client can't do agent forwarding.
Jun 16 00:13:34 <rwhitby> I personally use agent forwarding a lot.
Jun 16 00:13:41 <C4colo> j0sh: I'd alias la="ls -la" ... save some keystrokes
Jun 16 00:14:02 <tmzt> it can't?
Jun 16 00:14:11 <MyNameIsJon> ssh forwarding... another way to not discuss a popular topic
Jun 16 00:14:24 <C4colo> huh?
Jun 16 00:14:26 <rwhitby> tmzt: the server can, but you need the openssh client to get out to the next hop
Jun 16 00:14:33 <WillJitsu> I'm in the process of rooting my Pre.  Once I reboot into dev mode and plug it into my computer via usb, which option do I select on the phone?
Jun 16 00:14:41 <C4colo> I figured I'd just use openssh
Jun 16 00:14:42 <tmzt> that explains a few things except the socket makes it to the router but not past it
Jun 16 00:14:45 <C4colo> it's pretty much the standard
Jun 16 00:15:03 <konsoleX> WillJitsu: neither/all/any
Jun 16 00:15:09 <rwhitby> C4colo: with enough space, it's always the best choice.
Jun 16 00:15:15 <C4colo> ah
Jun 16 00:15:18 <rwhitby> on a 2MB flash rootfs on a router, dropbear is king.
Jun 16 00:15:21 <C4colo> dropbear is smaller?
Jun 16 00:15:25 <C4colo> I see
Jun 16 00:15:52 <WillJitsu> konsoleX: I chose the USB Mode and windows is stuck on the Novacomd box.  says found new hardware "Palm Novacom"
Jun 16 00:16:02 <scm6079> don't click any mode is my advice.
Jun 16 00:16:03 <MyNameIsJon> dropbear supports publickey auth which was nice for me, but I'll probably switch to openssh at some time
Jun 16 00:16:20 <ShinAli> any significant advances while i was gone?
Jun 16 00:16:25 <scm6079> If you choose USB mode, it will unmount the /media/internal directory -- which is your 8gb storage.  Convenient to use to backup your phone first.
Jun 16 00:16:26 <rwhitby> dropbear does everything except agent forwarding in the client as far as I can tell
Jun 16 00:16:55 <rwhitby> ShinAli: just some hissy fits on some blogs about us not allowing tethering talk
Jun 16 00:17:07 <WillJitsu> scm6079: but as far as rooting the device, I don't need to choose and of those options?
Jun 16 00:17:07 <j0sh> if anyone can help me with getting ez-ipupdate to run automatically on ppp interface going up
Jun 16 00:17:09 <j0sh> id appreciate it
Jun 16 00:17:10 <MyNameIsJon> rwhitby: when you say agent forwarding, do you mean port forwarding? or is that something else? i've never heard it called that before
Jun 16 00:17:16 <ShinAli> rwhitby: yeah i saw those
Jun 16 00:17:17 <rwhitby> no, agent forwarding.
Jun 16 00:17:34 <ShinAli> rather they saw it as palm being unsupportive of our efforts
Jun 16 00:17:35 <konsoleX> WillJitsu: i would hit cancel and run the novacominstall_x86.msi (unless you ahve 64 bit windows)
Jun 16 00:17:36 <scm6079> WillJitsu: Correct- you can just leave it sit and not select any.
Jun 16 00:17:40 <ShinAli> which really isn't true :(
Jun 16 00:17:44 <rwhitby> keeping your keys on your local machine to which you have physical security, and then bouncing from machine to machine without needing to have private keys on any of the other machines
Jun 16 00:17:55 <WillJitsu> scm6079: is there any way to tell that the phone is in developer mode?
Jun 16 00:18:31 <scm6079> For the record - Palm's been pretty cool.
Jun 16 00:18:36 <rwhitby> anyone who has an ssh private key on a remote machine needs to read up on agent forwarding ... :-)
Jun 16 00:19:03 <scm6079> WillJitsu: Restart the developer mode selector - the toggle will be in the "on" position when that app starts up if you are in dev mode.
Jun 16 00:19:12 <ShinAli> whatever more sensationalist gives more hits in their eyes
Jun 16 00:19:30 <MyNameIsJon> rwhitby: just read a nice page about it. thanks
Jun 16 00:19:31 <rwhitby> ShinAli: yep, it's all about the AdSense revenue ...
Jun 16 00:20:17 <rwhitby> it's pretty easy to ignore a site that first links to the info you're publicly providing, and then on the same page says you've "caved in" :-)
Jun 16 00:20:50 <WillJitsu> scm6079: ok cool I'm in developer mode.  I'll try to restart this thing and see if I can get the driver to install properly
Jun 16 00:21:17 <ShinAli> i'm just hoping that public tethering option won't screw us over in future updates
Jun 16 00:21:43 <rwhitby> ShinAli: c'est la vie.
Jun 16 00:21:52 <ShinAli> i honestly don't care if they found some way to block people from tethering
Jun 16 00:21:59 <scm6079> ShinAli: Has palm talked to you yet?
Jun 16 00:22:03 <ShinAli> just leave me with the wonderful root
Jun 16 00:22:05 <rwhitby> if it happens, it happens.  we can only do what we can.
Jun 16 00:22:14 <dreadchicken> ShinAli, same.
Jun 16 00:22:39 <ShinAli> scm6079: no palm representative really
Jun 16 00:23:12 <rwhitby> No Palm "representative" has talked to anyone here as far as I know.  Just some private opinions from some Palm employees.
Jun 16 00:23:42 <scm6079> I've been doing my best to help guide everyone I know to "play by the rules".  Hopefully some of the obvious ones (like socks proxies) won't be posted too publically in the future... they cause lots of problems for the legitmate coders.
Jun 16 00:24:21 <tmzt> kwi 4
Jun 16 00:24:36 <rwhitby> scm6079: we can only affect what we allow on our channel and influence what is on the wiki.  what others do is not our business - we can only reason with reasonable people :-)
Jun 16 00:24:36 <scm6079> On my old i500 / i330 sites Palm was always very friendly to me.  Same with Sprint.  Eventually, Sprint Business Services started distributing my apps.  So far with the Pre it seems to be the same level of acceptance.
Jun 16 00:25:01 <rwhitby> scm6079: which apps?
Jun 16 00:25:23 <scm6079> rwhitby:  my TextMessenger app was the first sprint picked up.
Jun 16 00:26:15 <scm6079> rwhitby: http://i500.nopdesign.com was my old Palm/Samsung i500 site...
Jun 16 00:26:21 <chrisa> < rwhitby> No Palm "representative" has talked to anyone here as far as I know.  Just some private opinions from some Palm employees.
Jun 16 00:26:37 <chrisa> ^ this. If people misunderstand we then end up with things like today's engadget article :O
Jun 16 00:27:53 <ShinAli> :(
Jun 16 00:27:54 <scm6079> chrisa: Palm is a big company... they will be careful in any "official" DMCA actions.
Jun 16 00:27:55 <dreadchicken> i'm actually hoping a commercial product comes out soon so we dont have the chatter here about it.
Jun 16 00:28:02 <pojoman> Could anyone here help me with issue im having with rooting my pre?
Jun 16 00:28:05 <bpadalino> is palm still pretty big ?
Jun 16 00:28:13 <aubilenon> dreadchicken: you mean for tethering?
Jun 16 00:28:15 <scm6079> pojoman: I can try.
Jun 16 00:28:19 <chrisa> Pretty sure palm is < 1k employees
Jun 16 00:28:24 <pojoman> Well i rooted it yesterday no problems
Jun 16 00:28:24 <chrisa> All departments
Jun 16 00:28:29 <dreadchicken> aubilenon, yes.
Jun 16 00:28:33 <aubilenon> yeah it would be nice if sprint would offer it somehow
Jun 16 00:28:37 <pojoman> but now it isnt letting me telnet onto the ip
Jun 16 00:28:41 <ncoffman> what is your issue?
Jun 16 00:28:43 <bpadalino> chrisa, you don't do any manufacturing there tho, right ?
Jun 16 00:28:47 <pojoman> something about not being able to connect o port 23
Jun 16 00:28:47 <bpadalino> that's all outsourced ?
Jun 16 00:29:04 <scm6079> pojoman: You mostly likely have a new DHCP lease - and a new IP.
Jun 16 00:29:11 <chrisa> I know nothing about that
Jun 16 00:29:19 <pojoman> When i checked the ip on the phone it was the same
Jun 16 00:29:21 <nebula1> so i was right
Jun 16 00:29:27 <nebula1> engadget was totally wrong
Jun 16 00:29:30 <Burnettj> ok asedeno_work_afk was helping me out earlier, but I had to handle work...so now I am back trying to root my pre
Jun 16 00:29:38 <ncoffman> did you set up ssh?
Jun 16 00:29:49 <Burnettj> fw off, python 2.6 installed, novacom installed
Jun 16 00:29:59 <Burnettj> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 16 00:30:07 <Burnettj> still getting that error when running talk.py
Jun 16 00:30:10 <Burnettj> xp 64bit
Jun 16 00:30:21 <pojoman> i get same error
Jun 16 00:30:24 <pojoman> now
Jun 16 00:30:28 <pojoman> didnt get it yesterday
Jun 16 00:30:45 <j0sh> i got that error using python 3.0 instead of 2.6
Jun 16 00:30:52 <j0sh> uninstalled, installed 2.6, worked
Jun 16 00:30:57 <pojoman> Im using 2.6
Jun 16 00:30:59 <Burnettj> I using 2.6
Jun 16 00:31:07 <pojoman> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 16 00:31:07 <pojoman>   File "C:\Python26\talk.py", line 48, in <module>
Jun 16 00:31:07 <pojoman>     port = getport()
Jun 16 00:31:07 <pojoman>   File "C:\Python26\talk.py", line 27, in getport
Jun 16 00:31:07 <pojoman>     return int(portnum)
Jun 16 00:31:08 <pojoman> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 16 00:31:10 <j0sh> yeah i dunno what else might cause it, thats what did it for me
Jun 16 00:31:16 <aubilenon> under the battery my pre says "Made in china"
Jun 16 00:31:28 <Burnettj> pojoman: I have the same error
Jun 16 00:31:34 <pojoman> Thing is
Jun 16 00:31:38 <pojoman> I didnt have this issue yesterday
Jun 16 00:31:44 <ncoffman> correct me if i am wrong, but I think that if you set up the ssh correctly, then the telnet will no longer work
Jun 16 00:31:46 <aubilenon> also on the top right corner of the phone, there's a little flat thing that says "palm" where all the other corners have torx screws
Jun 16 00:31:50 <pojoman> I rooted my phone fine even did the phone call duration fix
Jun 16 00:31:55 <aubilenon> there's a little indentation on the battery door over it
Jun 16 00:32:08 <pojoman> but i want to do the launcher fix today and it wont allow me to telnet to my phones ip which is the same
Jun 16 00:32:13 <aubilenon> I wonder if that's a "you went and dropped it in the toilet" detector
Jun 16 00:32:13 <Burnettj> under device management does your novacom linux device show up as not configured properly?
Jun 16 00:32:27 <Burnettj> I think it's a "you took this apart" detector
Jun 16 00:32:33 <dreadchicken> i don't know if the pre has a water sensor.
Jun 16 00:32:40 <examancer> ncoffman: i think telnet is disabled when you restart the device, regardless of whether or not you were successful setting up SSH
Jun 16 00:32:55 <aubilenon> burnettj: oh you mean there's just another torx screw under it?
Jun 16 00:32:56 <tmzt> someone took it apart?
Jun 16 00:32:58 <Burnettj> dreadchicken: it does
Jun 16 00:33:01 <pojoman> so i would have to go throught the whole rooting proccess again?
Jun 16 00:33:02 <Burnettj> aubilenon: yes
Jun 16 00:33:07 <aubilenon> that's plausible
Jun 16 00:33:15 <aubilenon> though it makes the indentation on the case make less sense
Jun 16 00:33:19 <aubilenon> I suppose it could reasonably be both
Jun 16 00:33:29 <Burnettj> if you use a finger nail file (stolen from wife) you can lift the sticker in one piece
Jun 16 00:33:41 <aubilenon> aha
Jun 16 00:34:33 <Burnettj> damn
Jun 16 00:34:33 <opie-x> so has anyone figured out a way to download mp3s via browser?
Jun 16 00:34:37 <Burnettj> I really wanted this to work
Jun 16 00:34:45 <Burnettj> I would like to have extra pages on my launcher
Jun 16 00:35:07 <aubilenon> burnettj: it didn't work for you?
Jun 16 00:35:35 <aubilenon> I screwed it up the first time I tried and forgot to do the second half of the directions (uncommenting out the switch statement)
Jun 16 00:35:43 <Burnettj> aubilenon: nope
Jun 16 00:35:53 <LarrySteeze> The pre's water sensor is viewable through the headphone jack
Jun 16 00:35:58 <LarrySteeze> if you shine a light into it
Jun 16 00:36:00 <bdumm> lol my pre froze up....
Jun 16 00:36:10 <Burnettj> aubilenon: I can't get root yet
Jun 16 00:36:13 <bdumm> man that was bad...
Jun 16 00:36:14 <Burnettj> still fighting novacom issues
Jun 16 00:36:23 <aubilenon> oh!
Jun 16 00:36:28 <aubilenon> okay then that's not your problem :D
Jun 16 00:36:43 * bdumm goes to submit bug report...
Jun 16 00:36:56 <Burnettj> well, it worked on my xp 32bit box
Jun 16 00:37:13 <Burnettj> I am starting to regret installing 64 bit xp
Jun 16 00:37:18 <opie-x> andrew@castle:~$ mount
Jun 16 00:37:18 <opie-x> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
Jun 16 00:37:35 <bdumm> hmmm where can i submit bugs?
Jun 16 00:37:35 <aubilenon> aww I was hoping I could get rid of the nascar icon by putting it on a new page by itself and then deleting that page
Jun 16 00:37:36 <Burnettj> is there any easy place on the pre to find my ip or do I have to go digging through my wifi ap?
Jun 16 00:37:39 <opie-x> is that what i should expect to see on the pre, i'm confused by the (rw)
Jun 16 00:37:40 <aubilenon> no such luck
Jun 16 00:38:03 <aubilenon> burnettj: it's on the wifi preferences
Jun 16 00:38:06 <aubilenon> on the pre
Jun 16 00:38:06 <scm6079> aubilenon: To hide nascar just change the appinfo.js to hidden.
Jun 16 00:38:06 <dreadchicken> Burnettj, wifi app from the ui.
Jun 16 00:38:12 <Burnettj> aubilenon: thanks
Jun 16 00:38:28 <scm6079> aubilenon: See my wiki page.  Or better yet, use that app as a custom launcher for all your new apps. :)
Jun 16 00:38:35 <pojoman> Burnett u figure it out?
Jun 16 00:38:36 <rwhitby> chrisa: I personally understand the constraints you guys are under here (I've worked at Canon, Motorola and Freescale in my past), and am trying to be as clear as possible so that there are no misunderstandings, but I can't affect bloggers who simply want to say stuff that isn't true :-(
Jun 16 00:38:41 <dykephiler> Hello
Jun 16 00:38:57 <Burnettj> pojoman: we'll see
Jun 16 00:39:01 <Burnettj> trying telnet now
Jun 16 00:39:15 <pojoman> did you get passed the error?
Jun 16 00:39:35 <opie-x> anyone feel like writing street-view into google maps?
Jun 16 00:39:37 <j0sh> dammit
Jun 16 00:39:38 <Burnettj> pojoman: I ended up using my xp32bit box and it worked
Jun 16 00:39:39 <j0sh> this is NOT working
Jun 16 00:39:45 <Burnettj> seems to be an xp 64bit issue
Jun 16 00:39:50 <scm6079> opie-x: not really. ;)
Jun 16 00:40:09 <dykephiler> Hello everyone, Newbie trying to screw around with my new pre
Jun 16 00:40:11 <rwhitby> aubilenon, dreadchicken: the ifixit teardown shows the water sensor
Jun 16 00:40:16 <opie-x> i'm trying to find a headless app example, i have a few services i want to run but having a hard time figuring out how to set on up
Jun 16 00:40:54 <scm6079> opie-x: as in run something on the console without luna acces?  Just run it... and background the task.
Jun 16 00:41:22 <scm6079> opie-x: Or stick it in init.d/ and setup startup scripts for it when your phone boots...
Jun 16 00:41:52 <opie-x> scm6079: make an actual webOS application using the framework, and create a dashboard with a proper headless minimize
Jun 16 00:41:57 <dykephiler> I have seen a few peoples videos on how they were able to successfully assign ringtones to other functions besides contacts has anyone here had any success with that
Jun 16 00:43:08 <opie-x> pandora is a great example of how my service would work
Jun 16 00:43:28 <IcedError> Hello all. I could use some help truning off the dtmf tones on my Pre. Has anyone been able to do it?
Jun 16 00:43:39 <IcedError> They are so loud
Jun 16 00:43:40 <scm6079> opie-x: Application with webOS framework is straightforward, but the dashboard with a "proper" headless minimize I'm not following.   Your app will still run when in "card" minimized view happily.  Check out some of the existing apps - they are easy to follow.
Jun 16 00:43:42 <dykephiler> opie-x what do you mean?
Jun 16 00:43:53 <JamesBaud> after i put it in dev mode and reboot, when i plug in usb cable, do i select 'usb drive' or 'just charge' ?
Jun 16 00:43:56 <chrisa> pandora still maintains a card
Jun 16 00:44:19 <scm6079> JamesBaud: Select NOTHING - leave it on that screen. ;)
Jun 16 00:44:24 <JamesBaud> okz, ty
Jun 16 00:44:48 <opie-x> chrisa: right, you don't need to have a card
Jun 16 00:44:58 <dykephiler> IcedError: yeah I was asking a similar question
Jun 16 00:45:00 <j0sh> IcedError: built in options only offer short and long, and i havent seen anything beyond that
Jun 16 00:45:09 <scm6079> JamesBaud: If you copy any files you want to play with to /media/internal - when you USB mount the device you can access them.  Note - when you mount as USB the console will no longer have access to /media/internal.
Jun 16 00:45:22 <dykephiler> I have seen a few things in reguards to being able to alter the tones and ringer styles but no one here has responded to me
Jun 16 00:45:30 <IcedError> [j0sh]: when you dial it is really loud
Jun 16 00:46:31 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: I was looking at the dialpad-assistan.js code and the listener seems to call playDTMF(ket, true). The second parameter is "feedback" but when I changed it to false, it didn't seem to make any difference.
Jun 16 00:46:45 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: What have you been looking at?
Jun 16 00:46:47 <ShinAli> scm6079: its okay to leave it in just charge mode
Jun 16 00:46:48 <j0sh> iced, yeah
Jun 16 00:46:50 <j0sh> i hate it
Jun 16 00:46:53 <j0sh> i noticed that
Jun 16 00:47:04 <IcedError> [j0sh]: right so I am trying to turn it off
Jun 16 00:47:10 <JackieRipper> dykephiler: I've been looking at that, too
Jun 16 00:47:16 <JackieRipper> what have you found?
Jun 16 00:47:36 <IcedError> Wouldn't jsut guess that "feedback" whould be what I want?
Jun 16 00:47:43 <dykephiler> IcedError: i have actually been looking at much code at all on the phone, I have just been reading walkthroughs and things like that I just got my phone and today is the first day I have even had a chance to do anything other then make phone calls on it lol
Jun 16 00:47:46 <IcedError> I tride false, nothing
Jun 16 00:48:15 <ShinAli> IcedError: you could comment out the line that plays the sound
Jun 16 00:48:18 <dykephiler> IcedError there was no numericals assigned to it
Jun 16 00:48:28 <datafirm> any of you found a way to access the audio mic yet?
Jun 16 00:48:29 <IcedError> I also tried looking for the sound file. I figured I could just put an empty file there, but I couldn't find it
Jun 16 00:48:38 <ShinAli> did you see what the boolean parameter was actually for?
Jun 16 00:48:44 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: It calls playDTMP(key, true)
Jun 16 00:48:59 <opie-x> chrisa: http://pastebin.com/d5689d587
Jun 16 00:48:59 <IcedError> key is the number, so that it knows what DTMF tone to play
Jun 16 00:49:11 <j0sh> yeah if anyone can help me figure out whats going on with why this script isnt running
Jun 16 00:49:15 <j0sh> id appreciate it
Jun 16 00:49:17 <dykephiler> IcedError, your best bet would be to probably try to remove the command line all together I would thing just elimiate the function
Jun 16 00:49:21 <j0sh> when i run the script manually, it works
Jun 16 00:49:27 <dykephiler> I wouldn't assume it would alter anything else
Jun 16 00:49:30 <j0sh> it just doesnt seem to be executing on its own
Jun 16 00:49:35 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: but then no tone would be played
Jun 16 00:49:47 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: so you couldn't acces voicemail, etc
Jun 16 00:49:47 <dreadchicken> j0sh, did you set it executable?
Jun 16 00:49:51 <j0sh> yes
Jun 16 00:49:51 <dykephiler> true
Jun 16 00:49:57 <j0sh> i actually didnt initially, and changed it
Jun 16 00:49:59 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: I guess it is a good debudding step
Jun 16 00:50:08 <j0sh> unless i did it incorrectly, i just did chmod +rwx
Jun 16 00:50:08 <dykephiler> right
Jun 16 00:50:09 <IcedError> I will try that
Jun 16 00:50:17 <scm6079> ShinAli: Have you heard of anyone working on framebuffer access via the Luna display manager yet here or on the forum?
Jun 16 00:50:21 <dykephiler> just try eliminating it then maybe work backwards from there
Jun 16 00:50:37 <dreadchicken> j0sh, 755 root:root?
Jun 16 00:50:40 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 16 00:50:44 <dykephiler> but if you made it false and that didn't work that is weird
Jun 16 00:50:49 <j0sh> is that the command i should enter?
Jun 16 00:50:55 <j0sh> chmod 755 root:root
Jun 16 00:50:56 <ShinAli> scm6079: not really, i'm working on writing a netscape plugin
Jun 16 00:51:05 <IcedError> All I should have to do for it to take effect is reboot, right?
Jun 16 00:51:06 <dreadchicken> no, is it that mode?
Jun 16 00:51:06 <SirWill> So what about SSH via USB instead of wifi or BT?
Jun 16 00:51:13 <ShinAli> but that really doesn't mess with the framebuffer
Jun 16 00:51:18 <dykephiler> but you said you looked to see if you could find the file and you were going to just replace it with an empty file wouldn't that be the same as just deleting the command line all together?
Jun 16 00:51:26 <aubilenon> is ssh via bt possible?
Jun 16 00:51:26 <j0sh> here
Jun 16 00:51:27 <j0sh> root@castle:/etc/ppp/ip-up.d# ls -la
Jun 16 00:51:27 <j0sh> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Jun 15 20:48 .
Jun 16 00:51:27 <j0sh> drwxr-xr-x    4 root     root         4096 Jun 13 16:59 ..
Jun 16 00:51:27 <j0sh> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          292 Jun 15 20:48 08setupdns
Jun 16 00:51:27 <dykephiler> I believe so
Jun 16 00:51:29 <j0sh> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          136 Jun 15 20:36 09updatedns
Jun 16 00:51:33 <j0sh> thats what the dir looks like
Jun 16 00:51:43 <opie-x> i've got a few things i'd like to write, which are fairly demo'd in the existing apps.  1. a service to in the end change my wallpaper each time i power on the device.  But more probable change after X mins.  2. create a way to enable,disable no-sleep mode for when i ssh in.  i've got others too
Jun 16 00:51:46 <dreadchicken> that should work, no idea why not.
Jun 16 00:51:50 <j0sh> and the script, which works when i execute it
Jun 16 00:51:51 <j0sh> looks like this
Jun 16 00:51:53 <dreadchicken> back later.
Jun 16 00:52:19 <SirWill> Yes, SSH via BT is working according to others.  My laptop doesn't have BT however...  was wondering about using USB connection.  Looks like the novaproxy.py requires the dev mode
Jun 16 00:52:22 <j0sh> /opt/bin/ez-ipupdate -f -F /home/root/ez/ezrun -b /home/root/ez/ipcache -S dyndns -u user:pass -h hostname -i ppp0 -q
Jun 16 00:52:30 <j0sh> obviously with user pass and host replaced
Jun 16 00:52:32 <dykephiler> Opie-X: thats a great idea I would get on board with that kind of app
Jun 16 00:52:56 <examancer> any suggestions for a good windows client to transfer files via SSH/
Jun 16 00:52:56 <examancer> ?
Jun 16 00:52:59 <opie-x> yeah, i'd like to setup a template and a nice method for installing apps so we can have a small starter toolkit
Jun 16 00:53:31 <opie-x> template, not so hard.  installing apps, well, i haven't even started in on that yet
Jun 16 00:53:32 <dykephiler> yeah this whole thing with palm holding on to the sdk is just weird to me
Jun 16 00:53:38 <j0sh> well examancer, you could install an ftp server app on the pre and then use your favorite windows ftp client
Jun 16 00:53:40 <aubilenon> SirWill: have you seen any instructions?
Jun 16 00:53:42 <j0sh> thats one option
Jun 16 00:53:46 <JamesBaud> what application do you use to edit the .js files?
Jun 16 00:53:47 <aubilenon> (for ssh/bt)
Jun 16 00:53:56 <pojoman> What is the difference between novacominstaller_x64 and the x86?
Jun 16 00:54:07 <IcedError> 32-bit or 64-bit
Jun 16 00:54:12 <opie-x> whatever, they just want to give them selves a few days of sanity, I'd bet the sdk devs also write webOS.  Lets hope they are working on bugs.  We can write our own sdk, and they know that
Jun 16 00:54:14 <dykephiler> does anyone know know why there hording the mojosdk? from a financial stand point it just doesn't make sense to me
Jun 16 00:54:23 <examancer> thats an idea j0sh
Jun 16 00:54:31 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: That's what I want to kno
Jun 16 00:54:34 <dykephiler> true enough
Jun 16 00:54:43 <WillJitsu> I was in the process of setting the password for the user I created and I retyped it wrong so it dropped me to a prompt and said "passwd: password for willjitsu is unchanged.  How do I set it now?
Jun 16 00:54:44 <j0sh> check the optware repository for an ftp server
Jun 16 00:55:05 <aubilenon> dykephiler: Presumably it's not done / stable yet
Jun 16 00:55:05 <j0sh> WillJitsu: just run passwd again
Jun 16 00:55:15 <SirWill> aubilenon Yep for BT this link should help http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around-2.html#post1680630
Jun 16 00:55:24 <j0sh> "passwd willjitsu"
Jun 16 00:55:29 <IcedError> [aubilenon]: the dev kit should have been out before the device
Jun 16 00:55:54 <j0sh> yes
Jun 16 00:55:55 <j0sh> very
Jun 16 00:56:11 <j0sh> there should have been 500 apps at release
Jun 16 00:56:15 <scm6079> ShinAli: I didn't think Netscape plugins were supported by Luna at all?
Jun 16 00:56:16 <j0sh> to compete with apple
Jun 16 00:56:32 <ShinAli> scm6079: they're supported by webkit
Jun 16 00:56:38 <scm6079> j0sh: apple didn't have any apps at release.  Give it time.
Jun 16 00:56:40 <dykephiler> but again Opie-X from a financial prospective if your company was on its last leg wouldnt you be doing anything and everything to give your self a leg up. I mean if they had released the SDK a month before the launch of the phone we wouldn't the main stream of people that don't know how to code of hack there phones wouldn't have to wait another 3 to 6 months before they have useful aps for there phones
Jun 16 00:56:43 <ShinAli> and there's a library called NPAPIInterface.so
Jun 16 00:56:45 <ShinAli> so
Jun 16 00:56:46 <j0sh> oh, i know
Jun 16 00:56:52 <j0sh> but apple didnt have a competitor like apple
Jun 16 00:57:01 <ShinAli> also the lunamediaadapter plugin uses that interface
Jun 16 00:57:09 <ShinAli> so i'm pretty sure it does
Jun 16 00:57:15 <aubilenon> IcedError: they should have delayed the phone launch for the dev kit?
Jun 16 00:57:21 <j0sh> the pre came out to much fanfare, and as a direct competitor to the iphone, which now has 35k+ apps
Jun 16 00:57:25 <datafirm> the SDK is probably still changing its API.. and they dont want to frustrate a bunch of "to be " devs.. :-/
Jun 16 00:57:39 <opie-x> dykephiler it's lose, lose ya know.  i totally agree with you
Jun 16 00:57:50 <dykephiler> Its just irritating
Jun 16 00:57:55 <scm6079> ShinAli: Very cool.  I have a whole plethora of old Netscape plugins I wrote for a company I worked for from years ago.  Very cool. Sounds like a promising route to have a "single application" that provides the direct hw access we want.
Jun 16 00:58:06 <dykephiler> they want this phone to be all it can be they want it to compete with the iphone
Jun 16 00:58:10 <opie-x> but we can write our own
Jun 16 00:58:21 <Burnettj> does anyone know how to force wifi to stay on when the phone goes to sleep mode?
Jun 16 00:58:24 <dykephiler> but there making all the mistakes the first generation iphones made
Jun 16 00:58:29 <opie-x> Burnettj: i play mp3
Jun 16 00:58:31 <PreGame> scm6079
Jun 16 00:58:36 <dykephiler> turn sleep mode off
Jun 16 00:58:38 <dykephiler> lol
Jun 16 00:58:43 <datafirm> dykephiler: tell it not to go into sleep mode.
Jun 16 00:58:48 <datafirm> that what palm is dong i think
Jun 16 00:58:48 <scm6079> j0sh: Sure they did -- Windows Mobile.  We forget since they are being walked all over now.
Jun 16 00:58:57 <PreGame> what are the main files to edit what content is displayed and where in an app?
Jun 16 00:59:33 <scm6079> PreGame: You can start with the appinfo.js file - in the app folder root, which will tell you where to start.
Jun 16 00:59:59 <scm6079> PreGame: Then from there - check out the view directory, and you can customize the HTML/CSS/Images of the screens you want.
Jun 16 01:00:46 <tmzt> ShinAli: I think it uses npapi for every5thing, what I can't understand is everything is inprocess or not
Jun 16 01:00:48 <IcedError> [scm6079]: have you looked into the phone app?
Jun 16 01:01:11 <ShinAli> tmzt: i dunno, maybe. it'd make sense
Jun 16 01:01:22 <dykephiler> I know this is a NO NO and I hope I don't get kicked for it but would someone be willing to PM about tethering?
Jun 16 01:01:24 <ShinAli> but then i didn't see NPAPI being used in the classic adapter
Jun 16 01:01:31 <opie_> engage teleport
Jun 16 01:01:33 <datafirm> Any of you found a way to access the audio mic yet?
Jun 16 01:01:36 <ShinAli> at least not from the object header
Jun 16 01:01:40 <opie-x> that was fast!
Jun 16 01:02:06 <WillJitsu> I'm at Step #17 in the root process and I am able to ssh using putty to the phone, and it asks for my username, but when I enter the password, it just closes the window. any ideas?
Jun 16 01:02:15 <IcedError> YES!
Jun 16 01:02:24 <IcedError> I wes able to mute the dialing sound
Jun 16 01:02:31 <dykephiler> how Iced?
Jun 16 01:02:36 <examancer> thats a weird one WillJitsu
Jun 16 01:02:46 <PreGame> scm6079: I did that but no luck.  I thought index.html file would be it seeing as how that is what html does
Jun 16 01:02:48 <IcedError> and only for dialing.
Jun 16 01:02:55 <IcedError> When you are in a call it still works!
Jun 16 01:03:07 <aubilenon> WillJitsu: you're setting the port?
Jun 16 01:03:17 <dykephiler> IcedError how'd you do it?
Jun 16 01:03:17 <IcedError> I am thrilled
Jun 16 01:03:19 <aubilenon> oh wait it wouldn't ask you your pw otherwise
Jun 16 01:03:35 <IcedError> I am not supposed to post code, right?
Jun 16 01:03:53 <dykephiler> I was just curious
Jun 16 01:04:01 <dykephiler> hold on iced
Jun 16 01:04:08 <ShinAli> if it has a big ol' copyright then probably not
Jun 16 01:04:11 <WillJitsu> aubilenon: yeah port 222 right?
Jun 16 01:04:14 <IcedError> nm, I don't need to post it
Jun 16 01:04:17 <aubilenon> WillJitsu: yeah
Jun 16 01:05:06 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: comment out line 509 in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/dialpad-assistant.js
Jun 16 01:05:19 <WillJitsu> aubilenon: yeah i don't know what's happening.  it won't log me into a shell prompt.  just basically craps out after entering the password
Jun 16 01:05:27 <ShinAli> offtopic question, but are malts basically less thick milkshakes?
Jun 16 01:05:31 <dykephiler> so basically you just removed it
Jun 16 01:05:37 <scm6079> PreGame: Think CSS more than HTML.  The JS writes the page, with the CSS controlling things.  The index.html is the "launch" page - but almost always that is immediately replaces with a specific view.  Look at the apps/view folder.
Jun 16 01:05:54 <IcedError> yep, but it still works. And that only effect when you arn't in a call
Jun 16 01:05:58 <scm6079> IcedError: No - not really.  Just enough to see how to dial the phone.
Jun 16 01:06:28 <IcedError> [scm6079]: I got what I was trying to do, mute the dtmf tones when dialing, so thanks
Jun 16 01:06:33 <jblebrun_irssi> IcedError: I made a wiki entry about it
Jun 16 01:06:43 <IcedError> [dykephiler]: yes I basically removed it
Jun 16 01:06:45 <jblebrun_irssi> IcedError: There's another line to mute so it doesn't make noise for the ahrdwarekeys
Jun 16 01:06:49 <dykephiler> awesome
Jun 16 01:06:52 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: stealing my credit :)
Jun 16 01:06:57 <scm6079> IcedError: :D Cool deal.
Jun 16 01:07:02 <jblebrun_irssi> IcedError: When did you do it? :-P
Jun 16 01:07:06 <dykephiler> lol no figure out how to customize the alerts LOL
Jun 16 01:07:18 <jblebrun_irssi> Do you have a wiki id?
Jun 16 01:07:30 <ShinAli> i thought CSS controls the style, HTML the placement, and JS controlling things?
Jun 16 01:07:59 <ShinAli> well there are JS model scripts as well for data structs and stuff
Jun 16 01:08:11 <jblebrun_irssi> or should I just put "IcedErrr from IRC"
Jun 16 01:08:13 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: What do you mean when did I do it?
Jun 16 01:08:32 <IcedError> No account. I am not speciall enough, it says I need a password
Jun 16 01:08:43 <Stik> Pretty freaking funny having a linux distro in pocket
Jun 16 01:08:47 <jblebrun_irssi> You can sign up fora wiki account, and then ask for an edit password
Jun 16 01:08:55 <IcedError> ok
Jun 16 01:09:03 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: where did you put it?
Jun 16 01:09:06 <jblebrun_irssi> I'll change the creds to you.
Jun 16 01:09:09 <jblebrun_irssi> Stock Application mods
Jun 16 01:09:09 <scm6079> ShinAli: CSS the position / placement, JS when it is in the DOM, HTML very little - just a container.
Jun 16 01:09:12 <Stik> Guess it's not a distro but you get the jist
Jun 16 01:09:16 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: I was really just kidding
Jun 16 01:09:36 <WillJitsu> aubilenon: no ideas?
Jun 16 01:09:50 <jblebrun_irssi> It's good to give credit where credit is due :-D
Jun 16 01:10:09 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: Where are you putting it?
Jun 16 01:10:23 <jblebrun_irssi> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods
Jun 16 01:10:24 <opie-x> scm6079: before any of that i'd like to enable download of mp3 files from the browser
Jun 16 01:11:05 <jblebrun_irssi> Now you have to hurry up and make an account ;-)
Jun 16 01:11:50 <IcedError> [jblebrun_irssi]: I did, waiting for a password
Jun 16 01:12:09 <jblebrun> What's your username there?
Jun 16 01:12:17 <jk175d> hello, may I ask a question about rooting a pre here?
Jun 16 01:12:59 <IcedError> IcedError
Jun 16 01:13:26 <opie-x> jk175d: ask away someone will help if they can
Jun 16 01:13:29 <everfine> can someone help me change launcher-assistant.js to read and write?
Jun 16 01:13:35 <everfine> it says read-only file system
Jun 16 01:13:50 <everfine> while i'm rooted in terminal
Jun 16 01:13:52 <WillJitsu> how do i delete a user in linux?  I'm gonna try to recreate it
Jun 16 01:13:57 <scm6079> everfine: remount the file system like this:
Jun 16 01:13:58 <IcedError> [everfine]: rootfs_open -w
Jun 16 01:14:35 <jblebrun> IcedError: have you done anything else cool?
Jun 16 01:14:39 <jblebrun> and/or useful?
Jun 16 01:14:41 <scm6079> everfine: mount -o remount,rw /
Jun 16 01:15:00 <JamesBaud> what program(command) do i use to edit the .js files?
Jun 16 01:15:10 <opie-x> JamesBaud: on the device?
Jun 16 01:15:17 <scm6079> JamesBaud: vi
Jun 16 01:15:21 <JamesBaud> k, ty
Jun 16 01:15:23 <opie-x> i installed nano using optware
Jun 16 01:15:24 <IcedError> [jblebrun]: hang on
Jun 16 01:15:25 <scm6079> JamesBaud: DON'T FORGET TO BACKUP FIRST!
Jun 16 01:15:31 <JamesBaud> ...
Jun 16 01:15:32 <opie-x> it's much more friendly
Jun 16 01:15:42 <JamesBaud> i want to edit launcher-assistant.js
Jun 16 01:16:00 <scm6079> JamesBaud: cp -rp (the app) /media/internal/(where to)
Jun 16 01:16:06 <everfine> thank you so much. IcedError
Jun 16 01:16:33 * hemna is re reading chapter 1
Jun 16 01:16:38 <everfine> JamesBaud. type vi launcher-assistant.js
Jun 16 01:16:42 <scm6079> JamesBaud: Once you do that - you can tell your phone to act as USB device, and access the files via USB too. :)
Jun 16 01:16:43 <WillJitsu> anyone know how to delete the account I created on the phone in linux?
Jun 16 01:16:51 <hemna> guess I need to buy the book...seems a waste since it's not the real sdk though
Jun 16 01:16:52 <scm6079> userdel
Jun 16 01:17:05 <WillJitsu> -sh: userdel: not found
Jun 16 01:17:22 <everfine> when it says "reboot and now you'll have new page and delete page in the launcher app menu." what does it mean by reboot? reset the phone?...
Jun 16 01:17:32 <jk175d> I've followed steps 1-5 in the rooting instrunctions (windows) and then run novaproxy tool to get a root shell over USB (don't have wi-fi) I get a python window that says ""Listening on localhost, port 8023""   at this point how do I get access to root files?
Jun 16 01:17:36 <JamesBaud> i did: cp -rp launch
Jun 16 01:17:36 <JamesBaud> er-assistant.js /media/internal/backup
Jun 16 01:17:42 <scm6079> WillJistu: hehe... You could do it the long way, and remove them from shadow, passwd and home.
Jun 16 01:17:55 <JamesBaud> cp -rp launcher-assistant.js /media/internal/backup
Jun 16 01:18:03 <WillJitsu> scm6079: I don't mind doing that if you can help me with the commands :)
Jun 16 01:18:25 <IcedError> jblebrun_irssi: the stock-application-mods page isn't listed on the index (on the side)
Jun 16 01:18:28 <j0sh> ...
Jun 16 01:18:29 <j0sh> that
Jun 16 01:18:31 <j0sh> is very weird
Jun 16 01:18:35 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: vi /etc/passwd
Jun 16 01:18:54 <j0sh> so it wouldnt work when i had one script named 09updatedns
Jun 16 01:18:55 <everfine> what happens if i dont go throught the "Deactivating Debian Rootfs" after activating it each time? anything?
Jun 16 01:19:02 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: move the cursor to the line you want to remove, and type dd:x
Jun 16 01:19:09 <j0sh> but when i made two scripts, one named 09updatedns1 and another named 10updatedns2
Jun 16 01:19:13 <j0sh> it did work
Jun 16 01:19:22 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: done, now how do I save the file?
Jun 16 01:19:33 <JackieRipper> :x saves the file and exits
Jun 16 01:19:40 <JackieRipper> did it not work?
Jun 16 01:19:45 <WillJitsu> ok that worked
Jun 16 01:19:50 <scm6079> WillJitsu: Capital ZZ -- or :wq to save and exit.
Jun 16 01:20:02 <everfine> what happens if i dont go throught the "Deactivating Debian Rootfs" steps after activating it each time? anything? or can i just exit out of root?
Jun 16 01:20:11 <JackieRipper> :x or :wq  same thing
Jun 16 01:20:23 <WillJitsu> ok anywhere else I need to delete that account?
Jun 16 01:20:46 <scm6079> Have fun all... catch up with you later... If anyone wants to start work on a plugin for framebuffer access drop me a PM on the forum.
Jun 16 01:20:47 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: did you set the home to /var/home/something?
Jun 16 01:21:27 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: yeah that's where I screwed up.  I typed: adduser -h /var/hom/$MYUSER $MYUSER   (I left out the "e" in home)
Jun 16 01:21:35 <jblebrun> voila
Jun 16 01:21:47 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: ls /var/hom
Jun 16 01:21:56 <JamesBaud> ok, i used 'vi launcher-assistant.js' and edited the file, now how do i save it?
Jun 16 01:21:56 <WillJitsu> no such file or directory
Jun 16 01:21:58 <JackieRipper> does that return anything?
Jun 16 01:22:05 <JackieRipper> JamesBaud: :x
Jun 16 01:22:08 <everfine> press esc then type :wq
Jun 16 01:22:12 <everfine> JamesBaud
Jun 16 01:22:15 <JamesBaud> ok
Jun 16 01:22:56 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: you're all set, then
Jun 16 01:23:05 <Burnettj> getting an error when trying to update the database for call duration
Jun 16 01:23:09 <JamesBaud> i hit Esc, but i think im still in the file editing it
Jun 16 01:23:10 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: just for fun, ls /var/home
Jun 16 01:23:12 <Burnettj> SQL error: no such table: Cookies
Jun 16 01:23:15 <IcedError> [jblebrun]: the wiki can't find me for some reason
Jun 16 01:23:17 <everfine> no. just type :wq
Jun 16 01:23:20 <everfine> it will let you
Jun 16 01:23:22 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: root
Jun 16 01:23:26 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: you're all set, then
Jun 16 01:23:29 <everfine> i thought that too for a while JamesBaud
Jun 16 01:23:36 <JamesBaud> 'q' is not implemented
Jun 16 01:23:58 <everfine> press esc. then make sure you type colon first
Jun 16 01:24:00 <JamesBaud> thats whut it says when i type it
Jun 16 01:24:02 <JackieRipper> JamesBaud: that's a colon followed by a q
Jun 16 01:24:03 <hemna> anyone get wifi to stay on when the display turns off?
Jun 16 01:24:08 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: hmm, I tried to recreate that account and I get "adduser: group name 'willjitsu' is in use"
Jun 16 01:24:08 <JamesBaud> aw shit, my bad
Jun 16 01:24:40 <jblebrun> Fixed it. It has to be all lower I guess.
Jun 16 01:24:43 <JamesBaud> "launcher-assistant.js" File is read only, god damn it
Jun 16 01:24:48 <IcedError> I think I just got it to hang up when you close the keypad
Jun 16 01:24:50 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: oops, vi /etc/group, move the cursor to the line beginning with your user, and type dd:wq
Jun 16 01:24:59 <JamesBaud> i logged in as root
Jun 16 01:24:59 <everfine> JamesBaud go back to root
Jun 16 01:25:01 <jk175d> I've followed steps 1-5 in the rooting instrunctions (windows) and then run novaproxy tool to get a root shell over USB (don't have wi-fi) I get a python window that says ""Listening on localhost, port 8023""   at this point how do I get access to root files?
Jun 16 01:25:32 <jk175d> an app?
Jun 16 01:25:39 <IcedError> How do I request an edit account on the Wiki?
Jun 16 01:25:42 <everfine> JamesBaud go to root and type rootfs_open -w
Jun 16 01:25:58 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: you are the man.  I'm back up and running :)  really appreciate it
Jun 16 01:26:01 <JamesBaud> k
Jun 16 01:26:05 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: no probs
Jun 16 01:26:10 <everfine> then try to re-edit the js
Jun 16 01:26:16 <JamesBaud> how do i quit vi ?
Jun 16 01:26:26 <JackieRipper> JamesBaud: esc :q!
Jun 16 01:26:27 <everfine> esc then :q
Jun 16 01:26:29 <everfine> colon q
Jun 16 01:26:49 <JackieRipper> you'll need the ! if you're exiting without saving you're changes
Jun 16 01:26:53 <JamesBaud> k
Jun 16 01:26:56 <everfine> oh.
Jun 16 01:26:56 <JackieRipper> (which you are)
Jun 16 01:28:01 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: now that the device is rooted, I can do everything over wifi using ssh right?  no more need for the usb cable?
Jun 16 01:28:21 <j0sh> correct
Jun 16 01:28:24 <j0sh> long as you install
Jun 16 01:28:29 <j0sh> the ssh server
Jun 16 01:28:32 <j0sh> like dropbear
Jun 16 01:28:35 <WillJitsu> yeah I did
Jun 16 01:28:38 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: if you have ssh enabled, and you can log in as the user you created, and that user can run sudo
Jun 16 01:28:42 <WillJitsu> should I leave the phone in developer mode or not?
Jun 16 01:28:49 <j0sh> doesnt matter really
Jun 16 01:28:58 <WillJitsu> cool
Jun 16 01:28:59 <j0sh> once you reboot telnet will be disabled again
Jun 16 01:29:07 <WillJitsu> gotcha
Jun 16 01:29:09 <j0sh> so you better make sure ssh is working
Jun 16 01:29:13 <j0sh> or youll have to run the script again
Jun 16 01:29:29 <j0sh> i mean, ive had to do it a few times now, but i have everything all set up for it
Jun 16 01:29:30 <WillJitsu> rebooting the phone now... gonna test when it's back up
Jun 16 01:29:40 <j0sh> well you can test ssh now
Jun 16 01:29:42 <j0sh> you dont have to wait
Jun 16 01:30:01 <WillJitsu> it works
Jun 16 01:30:06 <j0sh> excellent
Jun 16 01:30:12 <j0sh> did you isntall the upstart script
Jun 16 01:30:16 <j0sh> so it runs automatically
Jun 16 01:30:16 <WillJitsu> yep
Jun 16 01:30:19 <j0sh> good
Jun 16 01:30:42 <IcedError> Does anyone else see repeated character when telneted in over usb?
Jun 16 01:30:46 <ripper> Okay, so I added two providers to universal search, and everything is working except there is no picture.  The button for the search is blank.  Any ideas?
Jun 16 01:31:03 <ripper> I have the correctly named images in the correct spots and they match the names in the CSS file.
Jun 16 01:31:12 <JamesBaud> ok, done, time to reboot and test out
Jun 16 01:31:12 <ripper> Do they need specific permissions by chance?
Jun 16 01:31:52 <IcedError> When you run "mount -o remount,ro /" shouldn't it change the first entry in the mount command?
Jun 16 01:32:03 <konsoleX> bless you
Jun 16 01:32:06 <IcedError> I run "mount -o remount,ro /" and still see "rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)"
Jun 16 01:32:07 <Ahchoo> wow I just found the progress bar for the music player!!!
Jun 16 01:32:26 <opie-x> IcedError: i see the same thing, but no one ever answered me
Jun 16 01:32:37 <opie-x> Ahchoo: Share Please!
Jun 16 01:32:44 <WillJitsu> j0sh: is it possible to copy files over wifi now so i don't have to plug it up to put mp3s on there?
Jun 16 01:32:51 <Ahchoo> and I think I fixed the music player too... So that if you remove the dashboard notification that it will add it  if it doesnt exist when you go to card view again.
Jun 16 01:32:55 <opie-x> ohh, do you mean to view or actually seek?
Jun 16 01:33:02 <Ahchoo> both
Jun 16 01:33:05 <Ahchoo> I see both
Jun 16 01:33:11 <opie-x> ok, please do tell
Jun 16 01:33:31 <Ahchoo> The comments in there say it was more trouble than it was worth and parts are commented out
Jun 16 01:33:51 <opie-x> the seek?
Jun 16 01:34:00 <Ahchoo> The bar its self
Jun 16 01:34:08 <datafirm> is there a CLI js debugger installed?
Jun 16 01:34:22 <Ahchoo> I believe the way the progress widget is created that it will do seeking
Jun 16 01:34:27 <Ahchoo> I have to investigate more
Jun 16 01:34:27 <everfine> oops. i edited launcher-assistant.js to remove */ /*'s and now center button wont open launcher?!?!?
Jun 16 01:34:45 <everfine> it does add/remove new pages...take my losses or fix it?
Jun 16 01:34:55 <hemna> man Palm needs to release the sdk already
Jun 16 01:34:57 <Ahchoo> lol everfine I did almost the same thing and freaked the hell out for about 2 hours till I realized it.
Jun 16 01:35:23 <everfine> Ahchoo what happened
Jun 16 01:35:39 <Ahchoo> I did the same while messing with the music player
Jun 16 01:35:45 <Ahchoo> lost the ability to go to card view
Jun 16 01:35:48 <everfine> can i fix?
Jun 16 01:35:51 <Ahchoo> yeah
Jun 16 01:36:44 <Ahchoo> Ill brb I want to go back messing with this music player notification thing. I hate when I accidently delete it and cant get it to show back up unless I close the app.
Jun 16 01:36:49 <everfine> wait is the center button supposed to open launcher? i forget.
Jun 16 01:36:55 <Ahchoo> no
Jun 16 01:36:58 <Ahchoo> go to card view
Jun 16 01:37:10 <ripper> I'd love to set it to open the launcher if possible
Jun 16 01:37:10 <IcedError> I want to know how to re-map the center button, that button is so usless as is
Jun 16 01:37:14 <everfine> oh ok. well it works i guess.
Jun 16 01:37:29 <everfine> well it would be great if someone could get it to wake up the phone!!!
Jun 16 01:37:39 <everfine> i hate that button up top
Jun 16 01:37:53 <konsoleX> IcedError: i'm actually fond of it toggling the card view/app focus.
Jun 16 01:37:55 <opie-x> everfine: it would be nice at times but i'm afraid it would wake in my pocket
Jun 16 01:38:00 <IcedError> I just flick up
Jun 16 01:38:05 <datafirm> everfine: yeah.. that top button is a pain to hit for some reason.
Jun 16 01:38:05 <everfine> you cant even get to it when the phone is open and the center would be so much better than spacebar
Jun 16 01:38:07 <datafirm> aha
Jun 16 01:38:16 <Burnettj> anyone found the messaging notification mp3 that we can replace?
Jun 16 01:38:23 <opie-x> does anyone know how the proximity sensor works?
Jun 16 01:38:25 <everfine> yeah but you still have the unlock slider
Jun 16 01:38:25 <Burnettj> I need a better sound for txt messages
Jun 16 01:38:32 <jk175d> what do I type to telnet in via USB?
Jun 16 01:38:35 <PreGame> i can fart into a mic for you
Jun 16 01:38:44 <PreGame> you can't telnet via usb
Jun 16 01:38:45 <Burnettj> PreGame: that's great, where do I put it?
Jun 16 01:39:01 <Burnettj> and your not using my mic...
Jun 16 01:39:02 <JackieRipper> Burnettj: it's a wav, /usr/palm/sounds/notification.wav
Jun 16 01:39:07 <Burnettj> thanks JackieRipper
Jun 16 01:39:08 <jk175d> then how to get root access over usb?
Jun 16 01:39:14 <IcedError> [Burnettj]: yes. modify notification.WAV in /usr/palm/sounds
Jun 16 01:39:19 <ripper> Burnettj:  http://predev.wikidot.com/change-the-default-notification-wav-sound
Jun 16 01:39:23 <konsoleX> PreGame: i know palm "needs" a fart app to compete with the jesus phone... but if it never gets approved at least we'll stay classy
Jun 16 01:39:30 <gaffo> has anyone figured out how to root with linux yet or do I need a windoze box?
Jun 16 01:39:37 <KCMOStealth> jk175d: do you have putty?
Jun 16 01:39:41 <Ahchoo> ok im going to enable this progress bar for the music player and see what I get
Jun 16 01:39:43 <PreGame> jesus phone?
Jun 16 01:39:49 <konsoleX> iphone
Jun 16 01:39:53 <PreGame> ahh
Jun 16 01:39:55 <jk175d> no putty
Jun 16 01:39:56 <Stik> cant set colors in curses :|
Jun 16 01:39:57 <ripper> You know, the one Steve Jesus made.
Jun 16 01:40:02 <everfine> where did that meme come from?
Jun 16 01:40:05 <opie-x> gaffo: linux is cake, check the wiki @ http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jun 16 01:40:11 <tmzt> Stik: check $TERM
Jun 16 01:40:19 <bsiegel> The pre will never be complete without a lightsaber
Jun 16 01:40:21 <opie-x> ohh by linux i thought you meant osx =)
Jun 16 01:40:27 <opie-x> i forget that's what they call it
Jun 16 01:40:39 <gaffo> opie-x, you meant bsd
Jun 16 01:40:44 <everfine> anyone have a link to a good notification.wav sound already formatted right?
Jun 16 01:40:54 * opie-x shrugs, it's all the same to me. not windows
Jun 16 01:40:59 <JamesBaud> sweet, ty everfine, works perfect
Jun 16 01:41:09 <KCMOStealth> jk175d: you will need to use that if you want to login via usb with the proxy
Jun 16 01:41:13 * gaffo weeps for our children, especially opie-x 
Jun 16 01:41:18 * gaffo :)
Jun 16 01:41:23 <everfine> JamesBaud: no problem. Someone told me how to do it right before you
Jun 16 01:41:47 <jk175d> KCMO: thanks I'll download and look into that now
Jun 16 01:41:52 <JamesBaud> lol
Jun 16 01:42:08 <bsiegel> everfine: It's the asound utility that plays the sound, it shouldnt need to be a specific rate / bit depth
Jun 16 01:42:16 <JackieRipper> I just made a small update to http://predev.wikidot.com/change-the-default-notification-wav-sound
Jun 16 01:42:22 <opie-x> don't gett me wrong i've been using linux off and on since i was a child.  I love it but it's not what i work in.  So, when a fun projects come up i always have to remember standard usage stuff.  It's the same on both bsd, osx, and linux
Jun 16 01:42:28 <everfine> mkdir
Jun 16 01:42:31 <JackieRipper> if anyone is following it presently, make sure you refresh
Jun 16 01:43:10 <WillJitsu> is the wifi connection supposed to shut down when the screen goes blank?
Jun 16 01:43:21 <everfine> the wikipage says it must be 44.1kHz 16-bit
Jun 16 01:43:30 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: keep it plugged in (just charge is file)
Jun 16 01:43:31 <IcedError> [WillJitsu]: no
Jun 16 01:43:58 <Stik> chattin in yahoo on my pre lol
Jun 16 01:44:07 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: so it does need to be plugged in via usb while making changes?
Jun 16 01:44:10 <Stik> now I know I am bored
Jun 16 01:44:12 <timepants> wifi shuts off with the screen when unplugged
Jun 16 01:44:17 <everfine> playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 on mine
Jun 16 01:44:18 <timepants> it'll stay on if you're plugged in
Jun 16 01:44:22 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: I have found that, yes
Jun 16 01:44:25 <opie-x> unless you play music
Jun 16 01:44:25 <KCMOStealth> You can also listen to Pandora to keep the wifi on
Jun 16 01:44:33 <konsolePre> chatting here on the pre ;)
Jun 16 01:44:54 <opie-x> KCMOStealth: i bet batter is slightly better with just music, since you're not so wifi chatty
Jun 16 01:44:58 <hemna> so there must be something in the pandora app that forces wifi to stay on
Jun 16 01:45:00 <everfine> anyone know how to make that Pandora notification on the bottom shut off. I feel its slowing everything down
Jun 16 01:45:03 <IcedError> [konsolePre]: how? Do you have a term?
Jun 16 01:45:12 <opie-x> hemna: ya, usage
Jun 16 01:45:14 <tmzt> is fbcon is /sys/module ?
Jun 16 01:45:25 <jk175d> KCMOStealth:  ok got Putty... what's the host name? or do I use IP?
Jun 16 01:45:30 <everfine> konsolePre: how?
Jun 16 01:45:39 <opie-x> compile an irc client?
Jun 16 01:45:48 <Ahchoo> They also disabled the ability to view timeleft and current progress along with the progress bar for the music player I am enabling them now to see what I get
Jun 16 01:45:53 <hemna> I have an ssh term into my pre....I can hold down the return key on my kb and the wifi still goes to sleep
Jun 16 01:46:05 <j0sh> man
Jun 16 01:46:08 <WillJitsu> so if I'm connected to wifi using gtalk to chat with people, and I let the screen turn off, I only get new messages b/c I have a cellular data connection?  it isn't using wifi until I turn the screen back on?
Jun 16 01:46:08 <j0sh> this is so weird
Jun 16 01:46:15 <everfine> is there a way i can check to see if my ssh works via mac?
Jun 16 01:46:18 <konsolePre> optware centerim, still requires remote ssh, for now :(
Jun 16 01:46:22 <j0sh> if i make 3 scripts it runs perfectly
Jun 16 01:46:32 <j0sh> but if i put the command in 1 script, 3 times
Jun 16 01:46:33 <everfine> i enabled optware but the end was iffy
Jun 16 01:46:35 <j0sh> it does not work
Jun 16 01:47:16 <KCMOStealth> jk175d: ip: 127.0.0.1, port is what it says on novaproxy, and select raw mode.
Jun 16 01:47:17 <tmzt> is fbcon in /sys/module ?
Jun 16 01:47:40 <tmzt> it's disabled on the command line but the attributes might be in there
Jun 16 01:47:54 <tmzt> then chvt should work without luna running
Jun 16 01:48:31 <tmzt> can you add a command line to search?
Jun 16 01:48:49 <tmzt> it had to have been using ipc to enable dev mode anyway
Jun 16 01:49:12 <JackieRipper> I just copied an Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 11025 Hz, Mono wav file in place of notification.wav and it worked perfectly
Jun 16 01:49:39 <JamesBaud> whats better(as in easier) dropbear or openssh?
Jun 16 01:50:11 <opie-x> Ahchoo: lets see the screens
Jun 16 01:51:00 <Ahchoo> Im still working on it. I need to check the HTML nothing is showing up, but I fear I may have to restart my phone.
Jun 16 01:51:23 <mikejaret> anyone wanna help me with some root stuff.....i suck pretty bad with telnet and putty
Jun 16 01:51:32 <WillJitsu> is there a command in vi to go to a specific line number?
Jun 16 01:51:41 <mikejaret> ill give you a copy of my companies games....
Jun 16 01:51:41 <jk175d> KCMOStealth: thanks! that's got it.  Still new to me so I'm sure I'll have another question
Jun 16 01:51:47 <Ahchoo> WillJitsu
Jun 16 01:51:48 <Ahchoo> yes
Jun 16 01:51:50 <Ahchoo> there is
Jun 16 01:51:50 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: a colon, followed by the line #
Jun 16 01:51:56 <WillJitsu> ha nice.  thanks
Jun 16 01:51:57 <jblebrun> JackRipper: You should write an app that lets you change your notification from a GUI ;-)
Jun 16 01:51:59 <Ahchoo> : <line number>
Jun 16 01:52:10 <everfine> how do i ssh into my pre using mac? i know EVDO and WiFi address and username
Jun 16 01:52:37 <opie-x> there is a really good basic vi commands, WillJitsu: i also recommend using nano, it's simple to install with '/opt/ipkg-opt install nano'
Jun 16 01:52:37 <konsoleX> everfine: ssh -p 222 username@ipaddress
Jun 16 01:52:38 <everfine> do i novaterm into root@castle first
Jun 16 01:52:44 <JackieRipper> jblebrun: I fear that would be duplicate effort.  I'm sure that's one of the first things palm will update, give their feedback
Jun 16 01:52:55 <KCMOStealth> jk175d: cool no problem
Jun 16 01:52:55 <everfine> konsoleX: which ipaddress
Jun 16 01:53:01 <mikejaret> agreed jackie
Jun 16 01:53:16 <mikejaret> can someone help me with the permaroam hack??
Jun 16 01:53:28 <JackieRipper> I'm much more interested in an ssh client accessible from the gui
Jun 16 01:53:39 <everfine> konsoleX: /bin/sh: ssh: not found
Jun 16 01:53:51 <Ahchoo> permaroam??? There is already an option to allow the phone to roam.
Jun 16 01:53:59 <everfine> JackieRipper: know one for Mac?
Jun 16 01:54:02 <jblebrun> bsiegel: How's your dbus-based shell idea going?
Jun 16 01:54:16 <mikejaret> ahchoo, there is documented ways to make it ONLY roam so in my office i can get a vzw signal....
Jun 16 01:54:17 <gaffo> anyone know how to root the phone with linux?
Jun 16 01:54:26 <JackieRipper> everfine: mac doesn't have a native ssh client?
Jun 16 01:54:29 <JackieRipper> that is so odd
Jun 16 01:54:37 <everfine> root@castle:/# ssh -p 222 everfine@10.0.1.4
Jun 16 01:54:39 <jblebrun> OS X totally comes with ssh installed
Jun 16 01:54:47 <gaffo> everfine, osx has ssh installed
Jun 16 01:54:57 <opie-x> Ahchoo: any luck with the meida player?
Jun 16 01:55:03 <hemna> anyone know where the console.log() calls go ?
Jun 16 01:55:05 <everfine> i got /bin/sh: ssh: not found
Jun 16 01:55:14 <JackieRipper> everfine: are you going out from your tree?
Jun 16 01:55:21 <Ahchoo> omg JackieRipper is you work on an ssh gui client for the Pre let me know. That is a freaking brilliant idea. I didnt even think of that.
Jun 16 01:55:26 <konsoleX> everfine: you have to have dropbear(ssh) running on the pre (follow those instructions within novaterm if you have not), and the ip address you can use is either your wifi address (can get that from the wifi preferences) or EVDO address (checkip.dyndns.org)
Jun 16 01:55:27 <WillJitsu> I trying to add the launcher command to create and delete pages, and when I try to save the launcher-assistant.js file, it says it's read only.  did I miss a step?
Jun 16 01:55:27 <everfine> from ./novaterm
Jun 16 01:55:39 <everfine> konsoleX: i installed dropbear
Jun 16 01:55:45 <everfine> how do i run it?
Jun 16 01:55:48 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: you have to mount the rootfilesystem read-write again
Jun 16 01:56:10 <konsoleX> eh... don't try to run "ssh" from within novaterm
Jun 16 01:56:20 <everfine> ok...
Jun 16 01:56:21 <konsoleX> everfine: open a new terminal window and use the command above
Jun 16 01:56:28 <JackieRipper> everfine: either update you PATH to include /opt/bin, or do the full path to ssh (/opt/bin/ssh -p 222 ......)
Jun 16 01:56:43 <Elysian> what do you do if you're trying to run the talk.py script, and you get "no connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it" yet the windows firewall is disabled, the router firewall is disabled the novacom drivers are installed, and the phone is in developer mode? this is on windows vista...
Jun 16 01:56:53 <everfine> Connection refused
Jun 16 01:57:00 <hemna> everfine, http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 16 01:57:02 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: ok so everytime I do one of these hacks, I need to ssh in, su to root, then run "rootfs_open -w", correct?
Jun 16 01:57:11 <everfine> hemna: already done
Jun 16 01:57:13 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: yes
Jun 16 01:57:15 <datafirm> hemna: figure out where those calls go?  i think you'll need the SDK to view them.
Jun 16 01:57:28 <hemna> everfine, step 15 says how to do it
Jun 16 01:57:30 <JackieRipper> and then, to be safe, run mount -o ro,remount /
Jun 16 01:57:30 <hemna> start it that is
Jun 16 01:57:35 <JackieRipper> when you're done
Jun 16 01:57:38 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: got it.  thanks
Jun 16 01:57:45 <hemna> datafirm, yah that looks like something that could get dumped into firebug :P
Jun 16 01:57:48 <Ahchoo> Have you tried doing an scp to the pre yet?
Jun 16 01:58:03 <hemna> Ahchoo, I've done scp from the Pre -> another box
Jun 16 01:58:15 <Ahchoo> oh sweet
Jun 16 01:58:23 <hemna> just have to install openssh
Jun 16 01:58:28 <hemna> and then scp lives in /opt/bin/scp
Jun 16 01:58:33 <everfine> david-henleys-macbook-pro:bin home$ initctl start webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 01:58:40 <Ahchoo> im sick of looking at these files via telnet/ssh and would prefer to drop them on my linux box
Jun 16 01:58:41 <everfine> -bash: initctl: command not found
Jun 16 01:58:58 <everfine> am i in the wrong directory
Jun 16 01:59:04 <JackieRipper> hemna: you can do scp with dropbear as wee, but I prefer OpenSSH, so I won't encourage anyone to switch one way or the other
Jun 16 01:59:05 <bpadalino> sudo ?
Jun 16 01:59:09 <konsoleX> Ahchoo: you can copy files to /media/internal and then use the usb drive feature
Jun 16 01:59:10 <opie-x> Ahchoo: yeah it's much easier
Jun 16 01:59:10 <JackieRipper> wee=well
Jun 16 01:59:11 <WillJitsu> JackieRipper: hmmm, I'm getting "sh: rootfs_open: not found"
Jun 16 01:59:29 <hemna> root@castle:/var/home/root# which initctl
Jun 16 01:59:30 <hemna> /sbin/initctl
Jun 16 01:59:34 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: try mount -o rw,remount /
Jun 16 01:59:36 <jblebrun> hemna: You can use Mojo.Log, and you'll get output in /var/log/messages
Jun 16 01:59:38 <hemna> is /sbin not in your path everfine
Jun 16 01:59:48 <hemna> jblebrun, thnx
Jun 16 01:59:51 <bpadalino> looks like everifne isn't in the phone ?
Jun 16 02:00:14 <JackieRipper> everfine: echo $PATH
Jun 16 02:00:36 <konsoleX> everfine: use initctl from the novaterm
Jun 16 02:00:45 <Elysian> anyone? tips? tricks?
Jun 16 02:00:57 <jk175d> another basic question.  in putty how do I get open a particular file for edits?
Jun 16 02:01:01 <everfine> when i did root@castle:/var/home/root# initctl start webos-sshenabler it says running, process 2256
Jun 16 02:01:19 <everfine> is that all?
Jun 16 02:01:28 <jk175d> the only thing I want to do is enable adding/deleting launcher pages
Jun 16 02:01:42 <JackieRipper>  jk175d: not sure what you mean.  You give the file name as an argument to the editor
Jun 16 02:02:07 <JackieRipper> fo if you want to edit /usr/foo/bar, you would type vi /etc/foo/bar
Jun 16 02:02:14 <JackieRipper> fo=so
Jun 16 02:02:44 <ShinAli> whats the command to run the shell?
Jun 16 02:03:07 <konsoleX> everfine: i think it means your dropbear is running
Jun 16 02:03:12 <everfine> i did root@castle:/var/home/root# ssh -p 222 everfine@10.0.1.4 and it says /bin/sh: ssh: not found
Jun 16 02:03:20 <everfine> after "running" dropbear
Jun 16 02:03:30 <ShinAli> if i get this plugin working i'm thinking i can fork the shell in a plugin and have a in-webOS shell
Jun 16 02:03:30 <konsoleX> everfine: don't run ssh from novaterm
Jun 16 02:03:33 <pyrognome> jblebrun you in?
Jun 16 02:03:41 <everfine> where do i run it form?
Jun 16 02:03:47 <konsoleX> everfine: run ssh from a new terminal window that isn't running novaterm
Jun 16 02:04:06 <everfine> ok. is ~ home$ a good directory to run it fomr?
Jun 16 02:04:32 <jblebrun> pyrognome: yeah but leaving for the train in like 10 mins
Jun 16 02:04:34 <konsoleX> everfine: anywhere is fine, not in novaterm
Jun 16 02:04:41 <pyrognome> you have a fast secoond
Jun 16 02:04:45 <k3rn3lp4n1c> you guys probably get this a lot, but when I am trying to root my pre over usb, I get this error: Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it
Jun 16 02:04:48 <jblebrun> \win 7
Jun 16 02:04:49 <pyrognome> found my problem
Jun 16 02:04:55 <everfine> i ran it from home$ ssh -p 222 everfine@10.0.1.4 and it says ssh: connect to host 10.0.1.4 port 222: Connection refused
Jun 16 02:04:57 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I have the windows firewall off, and I'm running windows vista 32 bit
Jun 16 02:05:00 <everfine> in new terminal window
Jun 16 02:05:24 <konsoleX> everfine: 10.0.1.4 is your wifi address of the pre?
Jun 16 02:05:38 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I have the phone connected and selected "just charge" and I have the novacom driver installed, its showing up perfectly fine in device manager
Jun 16 02:05:46 <everfine> yes. i ifconfig ppp0
Jun 16 02:05:59 <JackieRipper> everfine: ppp0 is EVDO
Jun 16 02:06:00 <konsoleX> everfine: that's a bizarre ppp0 ip adress
Jun 16 02:06:01 <everfine> eth0*
Jun 16 02:06:05 <konsoleX> everfine: okay
Jun 16 02:06:23 <everfine> i tried it with my EVDO address and now its stuck with a box in terminal
Jun 16 02:06:30 <everfine> a small rectangel
Jun 16 02:06:33 <everfine> le*
Jun 16 02:06:41 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I know there is a convo going on already so if someone could just PM me that would be great
Jun 16 02:06:59 <everfine> fssh: connect to host 173.136.105.37 port 222: Operation timed out
Jun 16 02:07:06 <JackieRipper> does anyone know how I can determine if there is an unread message?
Jun 16 02:07:07 <Ahchoo> port 22
Jun 16 02:07:22 <everfine> 22?
Jun 16 02:07:35 <datafirm> maybe we should have a separate help channel?  this way we can still discuss the webos internals?
Jun 16 02:07:42 <konsoleX> everfine: port 222 if you are using dropbear with defaults
Jun 16 02:07:51 <JackieRipper> datafirm: that may be a good idea
Jun 16 02:08:10 <everfine> datafirm: great idea
Jun 16 02:08:29 <everfine> konsoleX: i followed the Optware package instructions
Jun 16 02:08:38 <gaffo> datafirm, good idea
Jun 16 02:08:46 <datafirm> if an op agrees, we can post it to the wiki
Jun 16 02:09:06 <pyrognome> it seems that the wiki has to be written for linux 101 people
Jun 16 02:09:27 <JackieRipper> datafirm: how about #webos-internals-gettingstarted
Jun 16 02:09:30 <datafirm> pyrognome: yeah.. :-/
Jun 16 02:09:35 <datafirm> JackieRipper: good idea.
Jun 16 02:09:36 <JackieRipper> it that too long?
Jun 16 02:09:39 <gaffo> pyrognome, except that there aren't instructions on how to root with linux :(
Jun 16 02:09:41 <jblebrun> datafirm: that's a really good idea
Jun 16 02:09:45 <datafirm> JackieRipper: verboseness is magical!
Jun 16 02:09:49 <everfine> well some is in linux like bunzip2, some is written for mac/pc
Jun 16 02:09:51 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I hate to be "that guy" but can someoen please help? I'm not new to linux or computers in general... I just cant root my phone for some reason... just need to be set in the right direction...
Jun 16 02:09:58 <JackieRipper> I meant from a IRC perspective
Jun 16 02:10:00 <pyrognome> I have time at work to dummy it down,but I am part dummy so i don't know how much help id be
Jun 16 02:10:15 <datafirm> JackieRipper: oh.. not sure if there is a limit?
Jun 16 02:10:16 <everfine> http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jun 16 02:10:20 <JackieRipper> is there a character limit?
Jun 16 02:10:24 <rawdr_> k3rn3lp4n1c, just let us know what the problem is
Jun 16 02:10:39 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I typed it up a little bit ago, I'm getting this error: Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it
Jun 16 02:10:42 <k3rn3lp4n1c> but I have the firewal off
Jun 16 02:10:48 <k3rn3lp4n1c> and I have al the programs installed
Jun 16 02:11:04 <everfine> can i check to see if port 222 in dropbear is what i need? i have a novaterm window and a nonnova window open
Jun 16 02:11:11 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I'm running windows vista 32 bit, and I have the phone connected via USB and I tapped "just charge"
Jun 16 02:12:11 <opie-x> anyone tried modify the command-resource-handlers.json to turn mp3 to "streamable":false and see if they can download mp3s ?
Jun 16 02:12:19 <JackieRipper> I used to work in Unix tech support, so I'm pretty good with the linux-newbie questions, and I'm very glad to help, but I'd also like to see some deeper discussion of the internals
Jun 16 02:12:25 <pyrognome> any one made any progress with the vibrate function call?
Jun 16 02:12:43 <everfine> PuTTY for Mac?
Jun 16 02:12:47 <pyrognome> I was playing with Vibrate.vibrate() but broke everything I tested it with
Jun 16 02:13:22 <konsoleX> everfine: you dont' need putty you have ssh in terminal
Jun 16 02:13:52 <everfine> konsoleX: what could be a possibility of the Op timing out?
Jun 16 02:13:52 <opie-x> i think you'll need to change the appId to "appId":"com.palm.app.browser" ?
Jun 16 02:14:52 <konsoleX> everfine: good question, from the novaterm if you run the command "ps ax | grep dropbear" what shows?
Jun 16 02:15:26 <everfine> from root@castle:/var/home/root#     2319 pts/0    S<+    0:00 grep dropbear
Jun 16 02:15:48 <JackieRipper> everfine: looks like you have to start dropbear
Jun 16 02:15:50 <konsoleX> eh... everfine... your dropbear isn't running
Jun 16 02:16:18 <JackieRipper> everfine: did you copy the file to /etc/event.d ?
Jun 16 02:16:25 <everfine> do i initctl start webos-sshenabler or is it earlier than that
Jun 16 02:16:41 <JackieRipper> everfine: yes, do that
Jun 16 02:16:43 <everfine> JackieRipper: i thought i did. can i quick check
Jun 16 02:17:01 <everfine> root@castle:/var/home/root# initctl start webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 02:17:01 <everfine> (03041/554125976) webos-sshenabler (start) waiting
Jun 16 02:17:01 <everfine> (03041/555987548) webos-sshenabler (start) starting
Jun 16 02:17:02 <everfine> (03041/557238769) webos-sshenabler (start) pre-start, process 2324
Jun 16 02:17:02 <everfine> (03041/589923095) webos-sshenabler (start) spawned, process 2327
Jun 16 02:17:04 <everfine> (03041/591693114) webos-sshenabler (start) post-start, (main) process 2327
Jun 16 02:17:06 <everfine> (03041/593035888) webos-sshenabler (start) running, process 2327
Jun 16 02:17:14 <everfine> sorry for all that
Jun 16 02:17:23 <JackieRipper> everfine: perfect... try connectign through ssh now
Jun 16 02:17:49 <konsoleX> everfine: if ssh doesn't work do the "ps ax | grep dropbear" thing again
Jun 16 02:18:11 <konsoleX> 1161 ?        SNs    0:00 /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222
Jun 16 02:18:18 <konsoleX> that type of thing should show
Jun 16 02:18:27 <everfine> from novacom or ssh
Jun 16 02:18:32 <konsoleX> novacom
Jun 16 02:18:45 <everfine> nothing shows
Jun 16 02:18:45 <everfine> root@castle:/var/home/root# ps ax | grep dropbear
Jun 16 02:18:45 <everfine> root@castle:/var/home/root#
Jun 16 02:19:02 <everfine> Op timed out in bash
Jun 16 02:19:15 <JackieRipper> everfine: try ps ax | grep ssh
Jun 16 02:19:33 <everfine> 2374 pts/0    R<+    0:00 grep ssh
Jun 16 02:19:38 <JackieRipper> bah
Jun 16 02:19:40 <everfine> wow. i screwed up somewhere
Jun 16 02:19:54 <JackieRipper> everfine: try ps ax | grep 2327
Jun 16 02:19:55 <everfine> is there anyway to start the Enabling Optware process over
Jun 16 02:20:09 <everfine> root@castle:/var/home/root# ps ax | grep 2327
Jun 16 02:20:09 <everfine> root@castle:/var/home/root#
Jun 16 02:20:11 <everfine> nothing
Jun 16 02:20:12 <konsoleX> everfine: "ls /etc/event.d/web*"
Jun 16 02:20:20 <konsoleX> heh
Jun 16 02:20:35 <everfine> problem: ls: /etc/event.d/web: No such file or directory
Jun 16 02:20:40 <goatslacker> grr screw vim on palm pre
Jun 16 02:20:57 <konsoleX> cd /etc/event.d/
Jun 16 02:20:57 <konsoleX> wget http://blogs.gurulabs.com/dax/webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 02:21:03 <Ahchoo> I love VI
Jun 16 02:21:06 <EvanPro_> Sargun_screen, ping
Jun 16 02:21:07 <Ahchoo> vi is my friend
Jun 16 02:21:18 <JackieRipper> I'm a fan of vi
Jun 16 02:21:24 <goatslacker> vi is the greatest. no undo on palm pre though
Jun 16 02:21:29 <goatslacker> i gotta turn off auto-indent too
Jun 16 02:21:32 <Ahchoo> and it only sucks cause your using Vi via Telnet/SSH that sucks not all the features
Jun 16 02:21:32 <everfine> i have a root@castle:/etc/event.d# though
Jun 16 02:22:07 <JackieRipper> Ahchoo: what features are missing when using it over ssh?
Jun 16 02:22:12 <JackieRipper> it's a colsole tool
Jun 16 02:22:16 <everfine> root@castle:/etc/event.d# wget http://blogs.gurulabs.com/dax/webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 02:22:16 <everfine> Connecting to blogs.gurulabs.com (67.137.148.21:80)
Jun 16 02:22:16 <JackieRipper> console
Jun 16 02:22:16 <everfine> wget: can't open 'webos-sshenabler': File exists
Jun 16 02:22:56 <goatslacker> i'm just spoiled by the vi config i
Jun 16 02:23:01 <goatslacker> i've got on my systems :P
Jun 16 02:23:13 <JackieRipper> is that vi or vim?
Jun 16 02:23:29 <goatslacker> vim* i should say
Jun 16 02:23:51 <JackieRipper> I *think* the one on the pre is vim, but not sure
Jun 16 02:23:54 <dreadchicken> damned moto s9's hurt my ears.
Jun 16 02:23:57 <goatslacker> yeah it's vim.
Jun 16 02:24:12 <goatslacker> i can't locate the vimrc file on the pre to config it
Jun 16 02:24:20 <goatslacker> since i cant locate the locate command
Jun 16 02:24:28 <JackieRipper> arrow keys work, and that's enough for me.  I /hate/ using the home keys
Jun 16 02:24:52 <konsoleX> everfine: did you edit the lines to reflect the change: "/usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true"
Jun 16 02:24:55 <everfine> when i cat webos-sshenabler everything seems to be ok
Jun 16 02:25:05 <JackieRipper> it's stripped down though... no undo, you can't yank more than one line at a time
Jun 16 02:25:20 <everfine> konsoleX: edit which lines?
Jun 16 02:25:24 <bpadalino> it's busybox's implementation
Jun 16 02:25:29 <goatslacker> JackieRipper, oh really? i haven't tried yanking more than 1 line yet
Jun 16 02:25:35 <goatslacker> that sucks!
Jun 16 02:25:38 <JackieRipper> it doesn't work
Jun 16 02:25:46 <konsoleX> dropbear is enabled on wifi only by default.. i know it shouldn't matter if you are using the wifi address though
Jun 16 02:25:51 <everfine> i had sudo on here. i just enabled su
Jun 16 02:26:03 <goatslacker> hmmm wonder if i can install a beefed up vim
Jun 16 02:26:14 <everfine> im using EVDO bc wifi isnt working (well i guess neither are)
Jun 16 02:26:17 <JackieRipper> konsoleX: the start script at http://blogs.gurulabs.com/dax/webos-sshenabler already has the proper lines
Jun 16 02:26:25 <psykoz> anyone know where qdlogger.log writes to?  sqlite?  a log file?  etc
Jun 16 02:26:45 <everfine> konsoleX: this is what it says
Jun 16 02:26:45 <JackieRipper> goatslacker: vim in in the ipkg repo, I believe
Jun 16 02:26:46 <everfine>      /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT
Jun 16 02:26:47 <everfine> end script
Jun 16 02:26:47 <konsoleX> JackieRipper: i only meant deleting the -i eth0
Jun 16 02:27:13 <everfine> this* /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true
Jun 16 02:27:13 <everfine>      /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT
Jun 16 02:27:14 <everfine> end script
Jun 16 02:27:32 <JackieRipper> konsoleX: ahhh, if you want it to work over evdo
Jun 16 02:28:39 <JackieRipper> goatslacker: ipkg-opt install vim :)
Jun 16 02:28:51 <goatslacker> hmm
Jun 16 02:28:54 * goatslacker attempts
Jun 16 02:29:20 <goatslacker> aww boo ipkg-opt not found.
Jun 16 02:29:43 <everfine> novacom: ifconfig ppp0: inet addr:173.136.105.37
Jun 16 02:29:45 <everfine> bash: david-henleys-macbook-pro:~ home$ ssh -p 222 everfine@173.136.105.37
Jun 16 02:29:45 <everfine> ssh: connect to host 173.136.105.37 port 222: Operation timed out
Jun 16 02:30:03 <everfine> maybe the username is wrong?!
Jun 16 02:30:05 <konsoleX> everfine: you can't use the ppp0 address you have to use the eth0 address
Jun 16 02:30:07 <JackieRipper> goatslacker: did you do the ipkg repo thing?
Jun 16 02:30:29 <JackieRipper> goatslacker: the Optware package feed?
Jun 16 02:30:31 <everfine> konsoleX: bash:
Jun 16 02:30:31 <goatslacker> just found it on googles
Jun 16 02:30:32 <everfine> david-henleys-macbook-pro:~ home$ ssh -p 222 everfine@10.0.1.4
Jun 16 02:30:32 <konsoleX> everfine: you can only use the ppp0 address if you comment out the "-i eth0" lines in your webos-sshenabler file
Jun 16 02:30:32 <everfine> ssh: connect to host 10.0.1.4 port 222: Connection refused
Jun 16 02:30:44 <goatslacker> just found it on googles
Jun 16 02:30:51 <konsoleX> everfine: *comment out === delete... heh
Jun 16 02:30:51 <everfine> i tried the WiFi and Connection refused
Jun 16 02:30:53 <goatslacker> nope, haven't. ill do that in a bit
Jun 16 02:30:58 <everfine> i know
Jun 16 02:31:22 <JackieRipper> goatslacker: vim is in the repo
Jun 16 02:31:42 <everfine> konsoleX: the whole  lines?
Jun 16 02:31:50 <konsoleX> everfine: if you are running "ps ax | grep dropbear" and you don't see something like the following, your dropbera isn't running and ssh won't work: 1161 ?        SNs    0:00 /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222
Jun 16 02:32:02 <everfine> from /usr/sbin to /bin/tru and /usr/ to ACCEPT?
Jun 16 02:32:42 <everfine> i see nothing from event.d# when i ps ax grep dropbear
Jun 16 02:32:48 <konsoleX> everfine: not the whole lines... they should look like "/usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT"
Jun 16 02:33:54 <everfine> ok konsoleX: i deleted that part
Jun 16 02:34:03 <everfine> im back in event.d#
Jun 16 02:34:08 <konsoleX> everfine: good, reboot your phone
Jun 16 02:34:30 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I still need help :-( steviebuns tried but my problem just doesn't make any sense
Jun 16 02:34:39 <k3rn3lp4n1c> everything is set up perfectly, I just cant root into the phone
Jun 16 02:34:42 <everfine> all this to get rid of the green phone...
Jun 16 02:35:06 <everfine> by the way konsoleX: thank you. i understand you get the same questions over and over and over
Jun 16 02:36:18 <konsoleX> everfine: thanks i wish it had been easier for you... i had no grief rooting and setting up ssh/etc.
Jun 16 02:36:38 <everfine> i know. i thought i followed these Optware instructions exactly.
Jun 16 02:37:24 <everfine> ok, phone is powered back on. i am back in novaterm on one window, bash in the other.
Jun 16 02:38:00 <everfine> in novacom: root@castle:/# in bash: ~ home$
Jun 16 02:38:27 <konsoleX> everfine: from your novacom run the "ps ax | grep dropbear"
Jun 16 02:38:47 <everfine> 1739 pts/0    S<+    0:00 grep dropbear
Jun 16 02:38:53 <konsoleX> everfine: :(
Jun 16 02:39:11 <everfine> haha i know...is there a quick install i have the event.d folder
Jun 16 02:39:20 <Ahchoo> there is not a way to view any of these .png files via Telnet/SSH is there?
Jun 16 02:40:14 <JackieRipper> everfine: in your novaterm, try this: /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT ; /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT ; /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222
Jun 16 02:40:34 <everfine> type that in, or vi webos-...
Jun 16 02:40:47 <JackieRipper> it should output lines like earlier, then just sit there and not give you a prompt back
Jun 16 02:41:04 <JackieRipper> everfine:type that at the prompt
Jun 16 02:41:10 <everfine> JackieRipper: root@castle:/# /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT ;
Jun 16 02:41:10 <everfine>  /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT ; /opt/sbin/dro
Jun 16 02:41:10 <everfine> pbear -g -F -p 222
Jun 16 02:41:10 <everfine> iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?)
Jun 16 02:41:32 <konsoleX> everfine: it has to be one line, not multiple
Jun 16 02:43:35 <JackieRipper> it should output lines like earlier, then just sit there and not give you a prompt back
Jun 16 02:43:45 <tmzt> you can use \ for multiple lines
Jun 16 02:43:54 <JackieRipper> then, in your bash terminal, try and connaect via ssh
Jun 16 02:44:03 <everfine> JackieRipper/konsoleX: /bin/sh: /opt/sbin/dropbear: not found
Jun 16 02:44:12 <tmzt> you can't split the process name though
Jun 16 02:44:14 <Ahchoo> Hey someone give me an App that they wish had Orientation I think I know how to apply orientation to all apps now
Jun 16 02:44:27 <JackieRipper> everfine: you have to install dropbear
Jun 16 02:45:03 <everfine> JackieRipper: I followed the ipkg-opt instructions. Which step should I install dropbear at?
Jun 16 02:45:10 <JackieRipper> step 9a on the wiki page
Jun 16 02:45:36 <everfine> here: /bin/sh: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt: not found
Jun 16 02:46:12 <JackieRipper> everfine: start at step 3 and go through step 9a, inclusive
Jun 16 02:46:22 <Elysian> can someone help me root my pre?
Jun 16 02:46:23 <everfine> hmm...there is nothing in my opt folder
Jun 16 02:46:34 <JackieRipper> everfine: oops
Jun 16 02:46:41 <JackieRipper> everfine: df /opt
Jun 16 02:46:53 <everfine> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 16 02:46:54 <everfine> rootfs                  452296    377472     74824  83% /
Jun 16 02:47:07 <Elysian> i've installed the novacom x64 driver, i've shut off my firewall in my router, and in windows, i've put the phone in developer mode, and i get "target machine actively refused" when i run talk.py
Jun 16 02:47:08 <JackieRipper> everfine: ls /var/opt
Jun 16 02:47:20 <everfine> bin    doc    etc    lib    man    sbin   share
Jun 16 02:47:35 <Elysian> the phone is detected in device manager, and palm novacom modules are also in there
Jun 16 02:47:36 <JackieRipper> everfine: mount -o bind /var/opt /opt
Jun 16 02:47:50 <everfine> k
Jun 16 02:48:19 <Elysian> anyone have any ideas?
Jun 16 02:48:42 <k3rn3lp4n1c> I read the rooter doesn't work in x64
Jun 16 02:48:43 <JackieRipper> everfine: after that, do df /opt again
Jun 16 02:48:53 <Elysian> that would be pretty craptastic
Jun 16 02:48:56 <everfine> Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 16 02:48:57 <everfine>                         253920     44268    209652  17% /var
Jun 16 02:48:59 <Elysian> i don't have xp installed on here anymore
Jun 16 02:49:01 <gaffo> would the rooter work from a vmware image?
Jun 16 02:49:06 <JackieRipper> everfine: initctl start webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 02:49:18 <everfine> Filesystem: /dev/mapper/store-var
Jun 16 02:49:42 <everfine> root@castle:/tmp# initctl start webos-sshenabler
Jun 16 02:49:43 <everfine> (00833/794573974) webos-sshenabler (start) waiting
Jun 16 02:49:43 <everfine> (00833/795733642) webos-sshenabler (start) starting
Jun 16 02:49:43 <everfine> (00833/796984863) webos-sshenabler (start) pre-start, process 1821
Jun 16 02:49:44 <everfine> (00833/812701416) webos-sshenabler (start) spawned, process 1824
Jun 16 02:49:44 <everfine> (00833/817034912) webos-sshenabler (start) post-start, (main) process 1824
Jun 16 02:49:45 <everfine> (00833/821795654) webos-sshenabler (start) running, process 1824
Jun 16 02:49:45 <JackieRipper> everfine: and then ps ax | grep dropbear
Jun 16 02:49:54 <Elysian> i do have virtualbox on here, with mint linux installed, but from what i have seen theres really no linux support...
Jun 16 02:50:03 <everfine> 1824 ?        Ss     0:00 /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222
Jun 16 02:50:09 <ShinAli> is libgthread-2.0.so a threading library like i think it is?
Jun 16 02:50:15 <JackieRipper> everfine: grep opt /etc/fstab
Jun 16 02:50:19 <konsoleX> everfine: :)
Jun 16 02:50:30 <everfine> # <filesystem>	<mount point>	<type>	<options>	<dump>	<pass>
Jun 16 02:50:40 <ShinAli> cause i see glib and that already has threading stuff...
Jun 16 02:50:50 <everfine> bind defaults,bind 0 0 3 times
Jun 16 02:51:12 <JackieRipper> everfine: echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab
Jun 16 02:51:29 <everfine> k
Jun 16 02:51:43 <JackieRipper> everfine: after you do that, PM me with the output of cat /etc/fstab
Jun 16 02:51:54 <Elysian> guess i'll try in virtualbox, hopefully i still have my xp image
Jun 16 02:51:57 <JackieRipper> so as to not flood the channel
Jun 16 02:52:22 <JackieRipper> you may have to copy each line one at a time, and put a . in front of each one
Jun 16 02:52:38 <JackieRipper> because irc will not let you start a line with / usually
Jun 16 02:53:06 <preuser> Cool got irc on the pre usic bitchx and the browser terminal
Jun 16 02:53:32 <everfine> done
Jun 16 02:53:59 <jwm> any ideas when the sdk will be released?
Jun 16 02:54:01 <jwm> heh
Jun 16 02:54:01 <T3hUb3rK1tten_DS> psssst JackieRipper, everfine use the pastebin in the topic
Jun 16 02:54:03 <mikeDOTd> what are you using for a browser terminal?
Jun 16 02:54:30 <JackieRipper> oops
Jun 16 02:54:41 <JackieRipper> I always forget about pastebin
Jun 16 02:54:43 <JackieRipper> my bad
Jun 16 02:55:01 <T3hUb3rK1tten_DS> ;)
Jun 16 02:56:15 <JackieRipper> everfine: I think you are all set now
Jun 16 02:56:22 <goatslacker> how do i upload the images for the global search addons?
Jun 16 02:56:23 <konsoleX> preuser: what browser terminal?
Jun 16 02:56:27 <JackieRipper> try and ssh in from your other shell
Jun 16 02:56:44 <everfine> should i ps ax |?
Jun 16 02:57:04 <preuser> The graphical terminal from the wiki
Jun 16 02:57:15 <everfine> when i wifi: The authenticity of host '[10.0.1.4]:222 ([10.0.1.4]:222)' can't be established.
Jun 16 02:57:15 <everfine> RSA key fingerprint is e7:ff:18:be:0a:d5:21:5c:c1:02:db:c7:56:0e:21:81.
Jun 16 02:57:18 <preuser> Using the pre broswer
Jun 16 02:57:28 <JackieRipper> everfine: say yes
Jun 16 02:57:34 * steviebuns noticed there's 200 people in the room.
Jun 16 02:57:35 <everfine> ok didnt see that
Jun 16 02:57:50 <preuser> Works decent once you connected
Jun 16 02:57:56 <everfine> it permanently added something and asked for a password
Jun 16 02:57:57 <Orion_PK> preuser, are you on it now?
Jun 16 02:58:05 <JackieRipper> preuser: using webterm ?
Jun 16 02:58:07 <preuser> Yah
Jun 16 02:58:43 <JackieRipper> everfine: that is the password you set when you created the user
Jun 16 02:59:03 <hemna> looks like all you need to do to keep wifi open is have 1 outbound connection open
Jun 16 02:59:11 <hemna> I did an ssh out from the Pre
Jun 16 02:59:11 <everfine> so now i am SSHd into my phone via WiFi?
Jun 16 02:59:15 <hemna> not doing anything
Jun 16 02:59:17 <hemna> and it stays up
Jun 16 02:59:22 <JackieRipper> everfine: yup
Jun 16 02:59:27 <JackieRipper> neat, huh?
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