**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 18 02:59:57 2009
Jun 18 03:00:08 <bpadalino> heh, it happens
Jun 18 03:00:35 <bpadalino> nebula: slick - what did it tell you ?
Jun 18 03:01:01 <nebula> seriously good stuff
Jun 18 03:01:20 <nebula> nothing to what i needed, but maybe it'll help someone else ;)
Jun 18 03:01:36 <nebula> i think i'm screwed, the only bitpool reference is inside a binary file :(
Jun 18 03:02:12 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 18 03:02:46 <sugardav1> what are you trying to do?
Jun 18 03:03:06 <nebula> set the bitpool value for a2dp
Jun 18 03:03:14 <nebula> its currently set too low
Jun 18 03:03:17 <bootleg> so firewalls are all off and the pre is still refusing the connection when i run talk.py... any ideas ?
Jun 18 03:03:19 <nebula> it needs to be around 60
Jun 18 03:03:55 <opie-x> anyone know can i just reset lunaSysMgr to register new apps?
Jun 18 03:04:10 <nebula> yeah
Jun 18 03:04:17 <nebula> initctl stop lunasysmgr
Jun 18 03:04:25 <nebula> initctl start lunasysmgr
Jun 18 03:04:26 <opie-x> but i can't be ssh in usb media mode?
Jun 18 03:04:48 <bpadalino> usb media mode turns off the radios, doesn't it ?
Jun 18 03:04:49 <opie-x> nebula: you can simply do sudo start LunaSysMgr if i recall
Jun 18 03:04:54 <opie-x> bpadalino: it must
Jun 18 03:05:16 <opie-x> but i could sftp and ssh i bet
Jun 18 03:06:31 <ShinAli> bpadalino: this is driving me nuts. what linux dist you used?
Jun 18 03:06:42 <bpadalino> ubuntu server - it was just something laying around
Jun 18 03:06:47 <bpadalino> shinali, what are you getting as an error ?
Jun 18 03:06:53 <ShinAli> 32 bit or 64?
Jun 18 03:07:03 <bpadalino> 32 bit
Jun 18 03:07:09 <ShinAli> "No such file or directory"
Jun 18 03:07:16 <bpadalino> what is your command ?
Jun 18 03:07:20 <Kaerey> I can't seem to get grep or windows search to find where "soundClass" is defined
Jun 18 03:07:24 <bpadalino> pastie it ?
Jun 18 03:07:29 <ShinAli> ok
Jun 18 03:08:27 <opie-x> aight, lets see if i get my skeleton app up
Jun 18 03:09:16 <opie-x> sweet, there it is with pretty new icon and all
Jun 18 03:10:19 <ShinAli> bpadalino: http://webos.pastebin.com/d7b36a8f
Jun 18 03:10:50 <furan> hi
Jun 18 03:10:56 <furan> I just got my pre yesterday, love it
Jun 18 03:11:05 <bpadalino> heh, wtf .. i like it
Jun 18 03:11:53 <bpadalino> kinda nuts - i have no idea ...
Jun 18 03:11:58 <furan> I'm curious if there is an SSH client yet
Jun 18 03:12:09 <summatusmentis> there is
Jun 18 03:12:14 <summatusmentis> there's no gui terminal app though
Jun 18 03:12:34 <summatusmentis> so you have to be ssh'd in to be able to ssh out :)
Jun 18 03:12:39 <furan> are there any faq pages about getting sdk access/running unsigned code/blah
Jun 18 03:12:46 <ShinAli> bpadalino: i'll just try the 32-bit ubuntu server
Jun 18 03:12:52 <opie-x> i thought on the wiki someone got he web gui terminal working?
Jun 18 03:12:53 <bpadalino> ok
Jun 18 03:13:12 <summatusmentis> furan: no need to worry about running unsigned code
Jun 18 03:13:13 <Lurking_Grue> Opie: It is kinda wonky..
Jun 18 03:13:19 <summatusmentis> we don't know anything about SDK
Jun 18 03:13:19 <opie-x> furan: i just wrote a hello world and it runs fine.  basically did this http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186473-how-modify-app-while-keeping-original.html
Jun 18 03:13:25 <summatusmentis> opie-x: it's apparently useless
Jun 18 03:13:36 <bootleg> anyone have an input on running talk.py when rooting a pre?  i have no firewalls and admin privs but still getting error
Jun 18 03:13:38 <opie-x> summatusmentis: gotcha, hadn't tried it but i saw it online
Jun 18 03:14:33 <opie-x> aight, i have to install sftp i guess switching modes on the device is too much work
Jun 18 03:14:48 <furan> I assume there's a brick wall between #webos chatter between folks w/ndas and #webos-internals
Jun 18 03:15:08 <Lurking_Grue> Summ: I ran top and showed it to friends and said "Hey look! I got top running on my phone!" but that was the extent of its usefullnes.
Jun 18 03:15:24 <summatusmentis> Lurking_Grue: heh, yeah
Jun 18 03:15:41 <opie-x> Tilton53L basic linux use, good article for newbies
Jun 18 03:15:52 <rwhitby> bootleg: please talk to Filefly and Scratch59, who are working on better instructions for novaproxy
Jun 18 03:16:23 <Filefly> rwhitby: fyi, we both got it working, and i think that other guy did too
Jun 18 03:16:26 <rwhitby> furan: NDA talk is not allowed in either of those two channels
Jun 18 03:16:28 <Kaerey> make sure the novacomd communication service is running if you just installed it you may need to restart or start it manually
Jun 18 03:17:53 <rwhitby> Tilton53: nice wiki page, thanks.
Jun 18 03:17:59 <rwhitby> http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use
Jun 18 03:18:08 <Tilton53> I got tried of noobs being like
Jun 18 03:18:15 <Tilton53> "I have never used linux before"
Jun 18 03:18:17 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 18 03:18:31 <Tilton53> it needs more crap but I am feeling lazy tonight
Jun 18 03:19:02 <rwhitby> and you handled the situation in the best way possble, creating a wiki page to offload us.  nice job.
Jun 18 03:19:30 <Tilton53> >.> I used to help out a bunch of game wikis
Jun 18 03:19:35 <Tilton53> and they had the same problem
Jun 18 03:19:45 <Tilton53> "Dude they don't even know the basic commands"
Jun 18 03:19:46 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 18 03:19:56 <Tilton53> make a fucking wiki page with the basic commands
Jun 18 03:20:02 * Tilton53 facepalms
Jun 18 03:20:07 <furan> facePalms
Jun 18 03:20:08 <rwhitby> Tilton53: now we just need a wiki page for all those emoticons you keep using ;-)
Jun 18 03:20:22 <furan> ^_^ is a good emoticon
Jun 18 03:20:23 <furan> but
Jun 18 03:20:24 <Tilton53> Yeah I have like thousands
Jun 18 03:20:28 <furan> ^_^_^ is better (siamese twins)
Jun 18 03:20:36 <furan> ^o^_^ they talk like this
Jun 18 03:20:43 <furan> ^_^o^ and they talk like this
Jun 18 03:20:46 <Tilton53> http://stats.tiltshellz.org/?chan=archein
Jun 18 03:20:55 <Tilton53> look at the stats on those emotion icons
Jun 18 03:21:17 <Tilton53> :P is a little one sided
Jun 18 03:21:40 <summatusmentis> I'm w/ rwhitby, put it on a wiki page :)
Jun 18 03:21:44 <rwhitby> ok guys, let's not drown out the internals discussion with emoticons and discussion about emoticons :-)
Jun 18 03:21:49 <Tilton53> XD
Jun 18 03:21:54 <furan> heh
Jun 18 03:21:57 <rwhitby> so, did anyone start a hardware page?
Jun 18 03:22:05 <Tilton53> I doubt it
Jun 18 03:22:09 <AgentSmith> hehehe
Jun 18 03:22:12 <m_burns> does lsmod command work for the pre?
Jun 18 03:22:19 <summatusmentis> hardware? what hardware? :-P
Jun 18 03:22:28 <AgentSmith> my broken hardware with the cracked screen!
Jun 18 03:22:37 <Ajaxify> if one were to use dropbear instead of OpenSSH what "advanced" features would they miss?
Jun 18 03:22:43 <rwhitby> http://www.phonewreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/prebd13.jpg is the first diagram for it, except that I suspect one of the three memory blocks should be connected to the MSM chip instead of the OMAP.
Jun 18 03:22:49 <Tilton53> Like none Ajaxify
Jun 18 03:22:52 <Tilton53> >.> it's a phone
Jun 18 03:22:58 <furan> anyone down with talking about how the toolkit works?
Jun 18 03:23:01 <rwhitby> Ajaxify: authentication agent forwarding (agent, not port)
Jun 18 03:23:25 <Tilton53> aka nothing you'd be using on a phone
Jun 18 03:23:27 <Tilton53> :p
Jun 18 03:23:38 <furan> all I have seen so far is info on how webos does html/js stuff, which is neat, but I am curious about the native stuff, curious about the window manager, and curious about the graphics stack.
Jun 18 03:23:46 <Tilton53> rwhitby I thought we were just gonna recommanded sudo and dropbear
Jun 18 03:24:11 <rwhitby> Tilton53: sudo we've done, I haven't seen hard comparative memory usage data on dropbear and openssh yet.
Jun 18 03:24:16 <bdumm> http://www.freedesktop.org http://webkit.org
Jun 18 03:24:24 <Ajaxify> Alright. Thanks.
Jun 18 03:24:28 <Tilton53> Dropbear uses on average about 30% less memory
Jun 18 03:24:48 <AgentSmith> yeah dropbear is great for memory-constrained/portables
Jun 18 03:24:53 <rwhitby> Tilton53: I'm after real figures from the Pre.  I know what it does on other devices (like the NSLU2)
Jun 18 03:25:03 <Tilton53> ah
Jun 18 03:25:24 <rwhitby> i.e. how many less cards are you gonna be able to open if you use openssh instead of dropbear?
Jun 18 03:25:24 <ryanworl> an sshd isn't going to use very much memory
Jun 18 03:25:29 <Tilton53> well you could just have everyone paste their "ps uax" into a pastebin
Jun 18 03:25:30 <jiv> Wow! Busy room.
Jun 18 03:25:33 <ryanworl> it isn't that big of a deal
Jun 18 03:25:42 <rwhitby> if that answer is less than 1, then there's no need to use dropbear.
Jun 18 03:25:44 <ShinAli> i like how i'm spending my night on configuration and none on actual DEVELOPMENT
Jun 18 03:25:48 * ShinAli sobs
Jun 18 03:26:03 <furan> huh, so palm pre uses webkit!
Jun 18 03:26:13 <ShinAli> yes
Jun 18 03:26:13 <furan> that's neat.
Jun 18 03:26:15 <cyanidepoison> as it should
Jun 18 03:26:40 <bpadalino> shinali, :(
Jun 18 03:26:43 <ShinAli> webkit is actually the backend to the whole luna framework
Jun 18 03:26:48 <jiv> @rwhitby what does OpenSSH allow that dropbear doesn't? (I'm totally unused to these, so I'm simply asking, not being confrontational)
Jun 18 03:26:54 <ShinAli> or frontend
Jun 18 03:27:00 <ShinAli> its an end to something
Jun 18 03:27:01 <furan> am I staring at X then?
Jun 18 03:27:12 <ShinAli> there's no X
Jun 18 03:27:46 <bdumm> ShinAli, its the magic in between
Jun 18 03:27:47 <bdumm> lol
Jun 18 03:27:50 <ShinAli> drawing is done by the libPiranha library
Jun 18 03:27:52 <rwhitby> jiv: authentication agent forwarding
Jun 18 03:28:02 <rwhitby> (which I use a lot)
Jun 18 03:28:14 <furan> so a mapped frame buffer + libpiranha?
Jun 18 03:28:17 <rwhitby> (but not on a Pre, since I don't have a Pre yet)
Jun 18 03:28:17 <ShinAli> and that library seems to interact with the linux framebuffer directly but don't quote me on that
Jun 18 03:28:36 <ShinAli> furan: yeah i think so
Jun 18 03:28:43 <furan> is there any gl support?
Jun 18 03:29:00 <furan> I'm sure video at least is taking some fast path before hitting the framebuffer
Jun 18 03:29:06 <JackieRipper> jiv: OpenSSH allows outbound key authentication.  I don't believe dropbear can do that
Jun 18 03:29:07 <ShinAli> i've only seen stuff like 2D contexts
Jun 18 03:29:41 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: dropbear can do that, it just can't forward such authentication from an agent earlier in the path
Jun 18 03:29:57 <jiv> rwhitby: Seems convenient and like a good reason. 256MB is cramped, but the difference is probably be worth it if you even might need it.
Jun 18 03:30:03 <ShinAli> furan: you're welcome to help take a look at it
Jun 18 03:30:06 <JackieRipper> hmmm.  I copied my key locally, and it wasn't prompting for a passphrase
Jun 18 03:30:11 <ShinAli> but i didn't see any GL stuff
Jun 18 03:30:29 <rwhitby> for 99% of users, dropbear is good enough.  But that's only cause 99% of users aren't protecting their private ssh keys well enough by using agent forwarding.
Jun 18 03:30:39 <ShinAli> though i know opengl es drivers exist for omap
Jun 18 03:30:51 <Tilton53>  ryanworl> an sshd isn't going to use very much memory < yes it's not to big of a deal but once everybody is standarized then the dev's can work on some kind of a fail 2 ban script for the pre
Jun 18 03:31:08 <tmzt> furan: I really think it's just page flipping based on what I've seen so far
Jun 18 03:31:16 <Tilton53> Or else we are going to have 100k people with rooted pre's all hoping their password is strong enough to keep them safe.
Jun 18 03:31:16 <rwhitby> if your private ssh key is on any machine to which you do not have complete physical and network security, then you should be using agent forwarding instead.
Jun 18 03:31:19 <furan> has anyone used nm to peek through the libraries?
Jun 18 03:31:30 <ShinAli> thats what i've been using
Jun 18 03:32:02 <furan> I'm just starting to poke around
Jun 18 03:32:15 <ShinAli> i'm not so good at looking linux ARM code though
Jun 18 03:32:20 <furan> ooh, it's omap2430?  that's opengl + video decoding anyway
Jun 18 03:32:22 <furan> 3430.
Jun 18 03:32:29 <ShinAli> yeh
Jun 18 03:32:43 <nebula> http://predev.wikidot.com/a2dp
Jun 18 03:32:50 <ShinAli> but I don't think there are any openGL libraries on the pre
Jun 18 03:33:05 <ShinAli> beagleboard has openGL libraries so i know they exist
Jun 18 03:33:12 <nebula> rwhitby: thanks, i now know even more about hardware :-D
Jun 18 03:33:19 <rwhitby> nebula: nice one
Jun 18 03:33:50 <furan> I had thought that the wave bar was 3d rendered but then I realized it's just a surface with alpha that is moving across the screen as you select icons (even though it looks like it's warping)
Jun 18 03:34:09 <tmzt> ShinAli: what kind of kernel driver?
Jun 18 03:34:21 <PreGame> Exstatica: When you find a list of the commands let me know
Jun 18 03:34:40 <rwhitby> furan: you sound like you've got some graphics experience ...
Jun 18 03:34:43 <ShinAli> tmzt: what do you mean?
Jun 18 03:35:13 <ShinAli> i'm not well versed on linux arch
Jun 18 03:35:54 <furan> rwhitby: yes
Jun 18 03:35:58 <tmzt> on beagle
Jun 18 03:36:27 <bootleg> anyone got a sec to help w/ rooting the phone ?
Jun 18 03:36:36 <bootleg> i feel retarded :\
Jun 18 03:36:36 <Tilton53> bootleg where are you stuck?
Jun 18 03:36:40 <bootleg> talk.py
Jun 18 03:36:43 <opie-x> so, should i find two processes of /opt/sbin/dropbear running on the pre after standard install?
Jun 18 03:36:43 <bootleg> firewalls down
Jun 18 03:36:46 <bootleg> pything all installed
Jun 18 03:36:49 <bootleg> python*
Jun 18 03:36:53 <bootleg> and i get a connection error
Jun 18 03:36:58 <bootleg> device refused connection
Jun 18 03:36:59 <Tilton53> what version fo windows are you using?
Jun 18 03:37:03 <bootleg> win 7
Jun 18 03:37:08 <bootleg> thought it was admin prob
Jun 18 03:37:10 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 18 03:37:12 <bootleg> but cant seem to make it work
Jun 18 03:37:14 <Tilton53> Win 7 doesn't work
Jun 18 03:37:15 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 18 03:37:18 <bootleg> no crap lol
Jun 18 03:37:19 <ShinAli> tmzt: SGX
Jun 18 03:37:25 <Tilton53> XP is is the only one I have seen that works.
Jun 18 03:37:46 <bootleg> aight ill just pop another hdd into my laptop and install a quick xp install
Jun 18 03:37:50 <bootleg> thx tilton
Jun 18 03:37:57 <furan> you could just boot from a linux livecd..
Jun 18 03:38:07 <Tilton53> this too ^
Jun 18 03:38:28 <bootleg> ive tried linux twice.. im a complete noob.. but i think im gonna try that idea..
Jun 18 03:38:32 <bootleg> thx
Jun 18 03:38:41 <furan> has a date been announced for the sdk going public yet?
Jun 18 03:38:48 <Tilton53> well actually furan
Jun 18 03:38:58 <Tilton53> You need the correct drivers to talk to the pre
Jun 18 03:38:59 <nebula> when duke nukem forever comes out
Jun 18 03:39:05 <Tilton53> and linux doesn't have them :/
Jun 18 03:39:05 <furan> lil
Jun 18 03:39:21 <bpadalino> yeah, novacomd needs to be implemented for linux ..
Jun 18 03:39:23 <ShinAli> furan: nope, but i wouldn't expect anything more than HTML/JS/CSS docs and an emulator
Jun 18 03:39:27 <bpadalino> they have it internal to palm
Jun 18 03:39:31 <Tilton53> unless you can use the mac drivers
Jun 18 03:39:32 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 18 03:39:33 <furan> it's very likely it doesn't work on win7 because, like xp64 and vista64, you're running a 64 bit release and you have no driver for your pre.
Jun 18 03:39:35 <bpadalino> but didn't release them
Jun 18 03:39:44 <Tilton53> Anybody try porting the mac instructions to linux?
Jun 18 03:39:49 <furan> it is really going to suck if they don't allow native apps.
Jun 18 03:39:58 <Lurking_Grue> Duke Nukem Forever is coming out for the Phantom console first.
Jun 18 03:40:01 <furan> (e.g. for more interesting games)
Jun 18 03:40:09 <furan> but that depends on how the display is setup anyway
Jun 18 03:40:21 <psykoz> Which is going to be powered by a perpetual motion machine ;)
Jun 18 03:40:39 <ShinAli> furan: the only apps with anything native would be video player and Classic, and they both use browser plugins to run the native code
Jun 18 03:41:09 <furan> i think that kind of arch would be okay for a game design (menus/etc use webkit, game renders in a plugin)
Jun 18 03:41:10 <ShinAli> it is possible but probably won't be officially supported to anyone other than "partners" to palm for a while
Jun 18 03:41:37 <Tilton53> I added "This procedure is know to not work on Windows 7 or Windows Vista, so it's best just to stick with XP." to the rooting directions
Jun 18 03:41:38 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 18 03:41:51 <ShinAli> it works in vista
Jun 18 03:41:54 <furan> Tilton53: it's more likely that it doesn't work on 64 bit releases since there is no driver..
Jun 18 03:42:01 <furan> if I were you I'd get more specific that way
Jun 18 03:42:08 <furan> otherwise the guy on xp64 is going to complain next :)
Jun 18 03:42:09 <ShinAli> furan: it works on x64 as well
Jun 18 03:42:14 <Tilton53> bootleg
Jun 18 03:42:16 <Lurking_Grue> Works on win 7 if you happen to have vmware running xp... Thats what I did.
Jun 18 03:42:17 <bootleg> ya
Jun 18 03:42:22 <ShinAli> just not windows 7
Jun 18 03:42:25 <Tilton53> what version of win 7 do you have?
Jun 18 03:42:27 <furan> interesting
Jun 18 03:42:29 <Lurking_Grue> X64
Jun 18 03:42:29 <tmzt> a plugin is just a library being passed a rendering context, if the grahpics system is good enough it should be fine
Jun 18 03:42:30 <Tilton53> 32 or 64?
Jun 18 03:42:30 <ShinAli> in either 32 bit or 64 bit
Jun 18 03:42:38 <bootleg> x64
Jun 18 03:42:55 <furan> tmzt: there will be doublebuffer perf complaints straightaway :)
Jun 18 03:43:14 <tmzt> it has that
Jun 18 03:43:48 <bootleg> virtual pc work ?
Jun 18 03:43:58 <bootleg> instead of vmware ?
Jun 18 03:44:05 <Tilton53> vmware is free
Jun 18 03:44:06 <Tilton53> o.o
Jun 18 03:44:10 <Tilton53> just get vmware player
Jun 18 03:44:11 <Tilton53> umm
Jun 18 03:44:28 <Tilton53> and use http://www.easyvmx.com/
Jun 18 03:44:32 <Tilton53> bootleg
Jun 18 03:44:33 <Tilton53> ^
Jun 18 03:44:35 <bootleg> kk
Jun 18 03:44:36 <furan> tmzt: I mean by hitting a doublebuffer you halve your update speed.
Jun 18 03:44:40 <ShinAli> bootleg: if it allows you to pass off the usb device to the VM it should work
Jun 18 03:44:41 * Tilton53 senses his next write up
Jun 18 03:44:47 <Tilton53> vmware player for dummies
Jun 18 03:44:48 <Tilton53> XD
Jun 18 03:44:52 <bootleg> ill make sure
Jun 18 03:44:59 <tmzt> furan: oh yeah, ok
Jun 18 03:45:04 <rwhitby> virtualpc has better usb support in my experience
Jun 18 03:45:06 <furan> (if the doublebuffer is not page flipping but doing an intermittent blit)
Jun 18 03:45:09 <furan> anywho
Jun 18 03:45:11 <furan> time to play
Jun 18 03:45:11 <rwhitby> oops, virtualbox I meant
Jun 18 03:45:21 <Lurking_Grue> Vmware needed focus when I pluged the phone in... Set it in storage mode first to see if it shows up as a drive.
Jun 18 03:45:22 <Tilton53> I have never used virtual pc
Jun 18 03:45:30 <tmzt> it would be good if a firmware update enabled full 3d but we have no idea what is missing for that
Jun 18 03:45:31 <Lurking_Grue> At least as a sanity test.
Jun 18 03:45:39 <tmzt> in the current kernel
Jun 18 03:45:41 <Tilton53> lol Lurking_Grue
Jun 18 03:45:50 <bootleg> ill try virtual box and set it up as a hdd
Jun 18 03:45:54 <bootleg> ill give that a shot first
Jun 18 03:46:08 <rwhitby> bootleg: I'll be interesting in the result
Jun 18 03:46:14 <bootleg> unless virtual box is only x86...
Jun 18 03:46:32 <Lurking_Grue> It runs on x64.
Jun 18 03:46:39 <Tilton53> Has anybody rooted on Vista?
Jun 18 03:46:42 <bootleg> kk
Jun 18 03:46:44 <Tilton53> or has it only been XP?
Jun 18 03:47:27 <tmzt> furan: it uses an ioctl to switch between framebuffers
Jun 18 03:47:42 <furan> interesting
Jun 18 03:47:51 <furan> is this stuff cataloged anywhere?
Jun 18 03:48:13 <PreGame> Tilton53: Yes I am on vista
Jun 18 03:48:21 <Tilton53> And you got it rooted in Vista?
Jun 18 03:48:23 <tmzt> here and the wiki I guess
Jun 18 03:48:28 <PreGame> yep
Jun 18 03:48:34 <PreGame> use the novaproxy
Jun 18 03:48:51 <Tilton53> k
Jun 18 03:49:04 <PreGame> http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jun 18 03:49:12 <PreGame> at the bottom of the windows section
Jun 18 03:50:02 <Tilton53> well good
Jun 18 03:50:10 <Tilton53> I won't need to drag out my xp backup laptop
Jun 18 03:50:12 <Tilton53> :D
Jun 18 03:50:41 <bpadalino> so i was playing around with novacom .. and on my mac i was telnetted in to port 6970 ...
Jun 18 03:50:45 * AgentSmith keeps an XP vmware around just for such situations
Jun 18 03:50:49 <bpadalino> it shows the rx/tx traffic of novacomd ..
Jun 18 03:51:00 <bpadalino> turns out if you turn the pre off with the usb cable plugged in ..
Jun 18 03:51:05 <bpadalino> you automatically go in to bootie mode
Jun 18 03:51:15 <tmzt> oh
Jun 18 03:51:18 <PreGame> mmmm i like butts
Jun 18 03:51:24 <bpadalino> which is the same mode you get into when you hold the volume up key + plug in usb
Jun 18 03:51:35 <bpadalino> pregame, exactly - then we use trenchcoat to flash bootie
Jun 18 03:51:35 <tmzt> even though that's used for charging?
Jun 18 03:51:44 <bpadalino> tmzt: apparently so ..
Jun 18 03:51:49 <PreGame> mmmmm booty flashing
Jun 18 03:51:53 <PreGame> girls gone wild
Jun 18 03:51:58 <bpadalino> there is an MTU field .. which is 16384 for castle-linux mode ...
Jun 18 03:52:03 <bpadalino> and 4096 for castle-bootie mode
Jun 18 03:52:08 <Tilton53> it's almost as if palm went out of their way to make the pre easy to break into
Jun 18 03:52:23 <bpadalino> there is also a heartbeat that is sent out - every second with a 10 second timeout normally in castle-linux
Jun 18 03:52:24 <Tilton53> It's such a change from the  normal 17 layers of secuirty on phones
Jun 18 03:52:40 <bpadalino> and 250 ms with a 1 second timeout in bootie mode
Jun 18 03:53:14 <rwhitby> bpadalino: that telnet trace port only works on mac's right?
Jun 18 03:53:31 <bpadalino> i don't have a windows box, but someone on windows should try the same thing
Jun 18 03:53:42 <PreGame> doesnt work with novaproxy it seems
Jun 18 03:53:53 <bpadalino> pregame, with novacomd running on windows..
Jun 18 03:53:57 <bpadalino> just see if telnet port 6970 is open
Jun 18 03:54:05 <bpadalino> and if so, just telnet to it - no novaproxy required
Jun 18 03:54:13 <PreGame> oh i thought u meant the phone
Jun 18 03:54:19 <tmzt> bpadalino: sent from where?
Jun 18 03:54:23 <EvanPro_> FYI everyone, i've started writing the intro to mojo apps wiki page (locally)... i will be posting it on the wiki sometime tomorrow hopefully.
Jun 18 03:54:41 <bpadalino> tmzt, sent between the phone and the computer ...
Jun 18 03:54:51 <bpadalino> evanpro, awesome!
Jun 18 03:54:53 <PreGame> bpadalino: telnet to localhost?
Jun 18 03:54:55 <bpadalino> evanpro, how are your apps ?
Jun 18 03:54:59 <bpadalino> pregame, yes - localhost port 6970
Jun 18 03:55:05 <PreGame> yea no worky for me
Jun 18 03:55:09 <bpadalino> okie dokie
Jun 18 03:55:12 <EvanPro_> bpadalino how are they?
Jun 18 03:55:22 <bpadalino> evanpro, sure - coming along? working well ?
Jun 18 03:55:26 <bpadalino> easy peasy ?
Jun 18 03:55:29 <tmzt> bpadalino: over what?
Jun 18 03:55:36 <PreGame> im on vista and typed 'telnet localhost 6970'
Jun 18 03:55:37 <bpadalino> tmzt, over the usb channel
Jun 18 03:55:42 <tmzt> the novacom protocol?
Jun 18 03:55:43 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 03:55:44 <bpadalino> yes
Jun 18 03:55:48 <EvanPro_> bpadalino: ahhh... easy peasy, working well, etc... :)
Jun 18 03:55:54 <tmzt> interesting
Jun 18 03:55:59 <bpadalino> tmzt, i thought so
Jun 18 03:56:06 <tmzt> looks a bit like blackberry
Jun 18 03:56:19 <tmzt> does it included serial number or meid?
Jun 18 03:56:34 <PreGame> woops
Jun 18 03:56:40 <PreGame> nvm looks like vista doesnt have telnet
Jun 18 03:56:47 <furan> you can use putty
Jun 18 03:57:06 <ShinAli> vista you'd have to install telnet
Jun 18 03:57:08 <ShinAli> but putty works
Jun 18 03:58:06 <PreGame> yea not seeing anything just a blank screen
Jun 18 03:58:40 <tmzt> where?
Jun 18 03:58:45 <tmzt> in putty?
Jun 18 03:58:46 <PreGame> in telnet via putty
Jun 18 03:58:53 <tmzt> does it say inactive?
Jun 18 03:58:59 <PreGame> says nothing
Jun 18 04:00:15 <rwhitby> PreGame: I think geist said the other day that the trace port was #defined out on windows
Jun 18 04:00:16 <JamesBaud> irc for the pre?
Jun 18 04:00:19 <JamesBaud> anyone?
Jun 18 04:00:34 <sugardave> irssi or whatever it's called
Jun 18 04:00:37 <sugardave> using it right now
Jun 18 04:00:48 <rwhitby> JamesBaud: sure, from the command line.  multiple irc clients in optware
Jun 18 04:00:55 <JamesBaud> ok, ill check it out
Jun 18 04:01:08 <rwhitby> irssi, bitchx, ....
Jun 18 04:01:29 <rwhitby> screen too, so you can continue hacking at the same time ...
Jun 18 04:01:37 <JamesBaud> =)
Jun 18 04:01:56 <PreGame> rwhitby: What you mean?
Jun 18 04:02:28 <rwhitby> the 6970 port is not enabled on the windows novacom drivers, according to what geist said here the other day
Jun 18 04:02:49 <PreGame> ohh is he using mac?
Jun 18 04:02:53 <rwhitby> yes
Jun 18 04:03:01 <PreGame> ahhhh
Jun 18 04:03:21 <bpadalino> neat - docs updated
Jun 18 04:03:38 * PreGame hearts luna-send
Jun 18 04:03:45 <rwhitby> bpadalino: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd/blobs/master/doc/protocol.txt right?
Jun 18 04:04:02 <PreGame> OMG ASCII PR0N
Jun 18 04:04:25 <rwhitby> ?
Jun 18 04:04:54 * rwhitby wonders where pEEf got to ...
Jun 18 04:05:03 <rwhitby> he was gonna try quilt out ...
Jun 18 04:05:17 <PreGame> so does anyone know if the pre checks the MSL OTA
Jun 18 04:05:23 <JamesBaud> so i dl irssi, copy to pre, install, but how do i launch it from the pre? or do i have to launch it with telnet command?
Jun 18 04:05:55 <Tilton53> within the ssh command line
Jun 18 04:06:03 <JamesBaud> k
Jun 18 04:06:15 <Tilton53> for now
Jun 18 04:06:18 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 18 04:06:28 <JamesBaud> i see
Jun 18 04:06:29 <Tilton53> I give it a week and someone has irc in webOS done
Jun 18 04:08:37 <jon2times> Hey, I'm having trouble getting my pre rooted
Jun 18 04:08:52 <jon2times> Keep getting the Errno 10061
Jun 18 04:09:19 <rwhitby> Filefly: how are those instructions going ;-)
Jun 18 04:09:26 <jon2times> anyone know what's up?
Jun 18 04:09:41 <rwhitby> jon2times: talk to Filefly and Scratch59 about using novaproxy instead
Jun 18 04:10:48 * nebula beats microsoft with a stick
Jun 18 04:10:54 <jon2times> Cool thanks
Jun 18 04:11:00 * rwhitby bbiab
Jun 18 04:11:13 * sugardave cheers nebula!  "You go!"
Jun 18 04:11:44 <JamesBaud> configure: error: in `/media/internal/irssi':
Jun 18 04:11:49 <timkedojeh> Don't abuse poor Microsoft. I have to use their mobile OS for a while longer. =(
Jun 18 04:11:49 <JamesBaud> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
Jun 18 04:12:01 <JamesBaud> i did: ./configure
Jun 18 04:12:43 <sugardave> JB: you need to do the optware change and use ipkg-opt install irssi
Jun 18 04:12:51 <sugardave> instead
Jun 18 04:12:56 <JamesBaud> 'optware change'?
Jun 18 04:13:30 <sugardave> http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 18 04:14:13 <JamesBaud> i thought i already did, but will do again
Jun 18 04:14:23 <sugardave> if you did it already, do this:
Jun 18 04:14:31 <sugardave> /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install irssi
Jun 18 04:17:27 <JamesBaud> ok, install done
Jun 18 04:17:50 <sugardave> you should be good to go
Jun 18 04:17:55 <Syntax> I'm having trouble with executing talk.py, I've disabled firewalls, antivirus clients, etc, but I still get the connection refused error.
Jun 18 04:18:10 <jon2times> Same here
Jun 18 04:18:20 <sugardave> 23:09 <+rwhitby> jon2times: talk to Filefly and Scratch59 about using novaproxy instead
Jun 18 04:18:23 <tmzt> nice protocol documentation
Jun 18 04:18:26 <wizkd> Syntax: you installed the driver from WebOS Doctor, right?
Jun 18 04:18:28 <JamesBaud> were did it install to?
Jun 18 04:18:31 <Syntax> I'm on 7 RC1, which coulc be a problem with it.
Jun 18 04:18:35 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/media/internal/irssi# irssi
Jun 18 04:18:35 <JamesBaud> -sh: irssi: not found
Jun 18 04:18:44 <Syntax> I did, wizkd.
Jun 18 04:19:11 <sugardave> /opt/bin/irssi
Jun 18 04:19:37 <wizkd> Syntax, what OS?
Jun 18 04:19:46 <Syntax> Windows 7 RC1
Jun 18 04:19:48 * nebula -> bed
Jun 18 04:19:49 <JamesBaud> root@castle:/opt/bin# irssi
Jun 18 04:19:50 <JamesBaud> irssi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jun 18 04:20:13 <sugardave> JB: oh yeah, got to /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install perl
Jun 18 04:20:15 <wizkd> Syntax I haven't tried on 7 yet, but in Windows, after I installed the driver, I had to go into device manager, remove the "unknown" device and re-scan
Jun 18 04:20:45 <wizkd> Windows XP (blech), that is
Jun 18 04:23:24 <Kaerey> Oh spiffy, it looks like the email application is setup to handle seperate notification sounds for each account
Jun 18 04:24:14 <Kaerey> hmm. now I need to figure out how to set the preferences for it
Jun 18 04:24:48 <tmzt> rwhitby: who documented that?
Jun 18 04:25:24 <JamesBaud> sweet, works, thankx sugerdave
Jun 18 04:26:04 <woodenrims> would someone be able to help with the telnet portion of rooting the pre?
Jun 18 04:26:09 <woodenrims> please
Jun 18 04:26:26 <tmzt> I guess there are other pmux protocols though, those input/ouput numbers sound like endpoints/dlcis or whatever
Jun 18 04:26:44 <tmzt> so I'm guessing at least qc diag is possible
Jun 18 04:27:57 <ShinAli> rwhitby: teaches me about not listening to you
Jun 18 04:28:04 <ShinAli> headless linux is much easier to deal with
Jun 18 04:28:35 <sugardave> JB: np
Jun 18 04:28:51 <bpadalino> headless is the way to go
Jun 18 04:29:35 <ShinAli> bpadalino: you set yours up for NAT or bridge?
Jun 18 04:29:47 <bpadalino> i forgot - i think bridge ?
Jun 18 04:29:49 <rwhitby> tmzt: bpadalino documented the novacomd protocol
Jun 18 04:30:05 <ShinAli> yeh i'm using bridge, NAT was being a little weird on me
Jun 18 04:30:14 <ShinAli> i should set up a static ip on this thing
Jun 18 04:30:26 <bpadalino> yeah, there are still questions about pmux since i have only done tty mode
Jun 18 04:32:27 <bpadalino> and i've only done castle-linux - nothing with castle-bootie
Jun 18 04:32:51 <bpadalino> next i think i want to tackle file get, file send and execute command
Jun 18 04:32:51 <furan> wow
Jun 18 04:33:00 <furan> just one day of using the pre and the iphone interface feels clunky now
Jun 18 04:33:09 <furan> I just did 2 gestures that it doesn't know anything about
Jun 18 04:33:16 <bpadalino> furan, do you find yourself swiping up to try to get to card view ?
Jun 18 04:33:20 <furan> YES
Jun 18 04:33:21 <bpadalino> i do that with my touch now
Jun 18 04:33:26 <furan> that's exactly the first thing I did
Jun 18 04:33:29 <bpadalino> "music - hrm .. i want email .. .swipe"
Jun 18 04:33:32 <bpadalino> oh, whoops :(
Jun 18 04:34:27 <ckent> i have 2 terminal windows open now and i dunno what to do with them
Jun 18 04:34:42 <AgentSmith> for anyone curious I got an image of my screen crack http://imgur.com/mNIK9.jpg
Jun 18 04:34:55 <bpadalino> AgentSmith: sorry to see that :(
Jun 18 04:35:04 <Syntax> That sucks
Jun 18 04:35:22 <bpadalino> the worst part about the phone is the tight integration makes it nearly impossible to re-work ...
Jun 18 04:35:47 <AgentSmith> :\
Jun 18 04:36:17 <furan> ouch
Jun 18 04:36:29 <furan> i got the service plan
Jun 18 04:36:36 <AgentSmith> completely broke the touchscreen surface and 2 keyboard keys
Jun 18 04:36:41 <AgentSmith> LCD still works though
Jun 18 04:36:43 <dreadchicken> AgentSmith, did you drop it?
Jun 18 04:36:46 <woodenrims> anyone have a recommendation on what telnet to use?
Jun 18 04:36:50 <Syntax> I got mine last thursday, fine so far.
Jun 18 04:36:52 <furan> putty is good
Jun 18 04:37:01 <bpadalino> AgentSmith: tight pants ?
Jun 18 04:37:36 <AgentSmith> no, I was cleaning the screen off and rubbed a spot with my thumb, not even hard enough to make the LCD change color (like laptop screens, not the visual effect) and it went *click*
Jun 18 04:37:47 <AgentSmith> then the touch surface stopped working and the keyboard keys failed
Jun 18 04:38:05 <dreadchicken> i've seen a few references to cracks starting at the button and running up the screen from pressure around the button.
Jun 18 04:38:09 <AgentSmith> i've pressed much harder on my iphone / blackberry etc. screens for a pressure reference of sorts without any issues
Jun 18 04:38:18 <AgentSmith> yeah that's what i was reading too
Jun 18 04:38:21 <woodenrims> so for host name i put my pre's IP and then what do i enter for port?
Jun 18 04:38:22 <tmzt> what keys stopped working?
Jun 18 04:38:35 <AgentSmith> C and I believe X
Jun 18 04:38:38 <AgentSmith> or V
Jun 18 04:38:44 <AgentSmith> i know C died, one of the ones next to C went with it
Jun 18 04:38:53 <tmzt> on the qwerty?
Jun 18 04:38:56 <AgentSmith> ueaj
Jun 18 04:38:57 <AgentSmith> yeah*
Jun 18 04:39:00 <tmzt> that makes no sense
Jun 18 04:39:31 <tmzt> is touchscreen on usb?
Jun 18 04:39:44 <bpadalino> no, it would probably be on serial
Jun 18 04:39:45 <tmzt> we couldn't find it in input yesterday
Jun 18 04:39:52 <tmzt> serial?
Jun 18 04:39:53 <AgentSmith> i2c bus i'd guess
Jun 18 04:40:03 <Syntax> Hmm
Jun 18 04:40:08 <bpadalino> there is a way to get the touchscreen dump
Jun 18 04:40:10 <Syntax> WebOS doctor isn't even detecting my pre now.
Jun 18 04:40:14 <bpadalino> figure out which file handle it opens
Jun 18 04:40:14 <tmzt> has anybody used lsusb?
Jun 18 04:41:01 <tmzt> with lsof?
Jun 18 04:41:14 <bpadalino> that or strace the dump
Jun 18 04:41:18 <bpadalino> and see what it opens
Jun 18 04:41:33 <tmzt> I think they just discussed tor on tv but not by name
Jun 18 04:41:35 <tmzt> funny
Jun 18 04:41:48 <AgentSmith> ha
Jun 18 04:42:04 <tmzt> it was called proxy
Jun 18 04:43:09 <AgentSmith> ooh i take it back, after rebooting the keyboard works again, touchscreen is still completely dead though
Jun 18 04:43:16 <AgentSmith> trying to figure out if i can wipe it from the command line
Jun 18 04:43:40 <bpadalino> wipe your pre ?
Jun 18 04:43:41 <tmzt> now usenet, wow ok
Jun 18 04:43:54 <AgentSmith> remove all my perseonal info off it before i take it back to the store
Jun 18 04:44:01 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 18 04:44:15 <AgentSmith> trenchcoat has a --wipeout option, but not sure what all that does
Jun 18 04:44:42 <tmzt> since that's related to flash I wouldn't suggest it
Jun 18 04:45:11 <wizkd> agentsmith, try it and tell us what it does
Jun 18 04:45:23 <furan> heh
Jun 18 04:45:25 <AgentSmith> heh
Jun 18 04:45:27 <furan> be the guinea pig
Jun 18 04:45:34 * Lurking_Grue gets popcorn.
Jun 18 04:46:55 <tmzt> at least this somewhat related to this channel, the value in twitter.com is the open api and user community not the top down website
Jun 18 04:47:34 <woodenrims> could anyone help me with the telnet step of rooting my pre?
Jun 18 04:48:04 <wizkd> woodenrims what isn't working?
Jun 18 04:48:23 <woodenrims> well i've never used telnet before
Jun 18 04:48:31 <woodenrims> i believe i have my pre's ip address
Jun 18 04:48:38 <woodenrims> but it can't seem to connect
Jun 18 04:48:43 <wizkd> download "putty" (do a google search)
Jun 18 04:48:50 <woodenrims> i have puttytel.exe
Jun 18 04:48:54 <wizkd> ah ok
Jun 18 04:48:54 <woodenrims> i am attempting to use that
Jun 18 04:49:32 <wizkd> Did talk.py run OK?
Jun 18 04:49:34 <tmzt> that works but you can use putty itself as well
Jun 18 04:49:37 <woodenrims> yes
Jun 18 04:49:42 <woodenrims> talk.py ran great
Jun 18 04:50:03 <m_burns> can you run dmesg from the prompt?
Jun 18 04:50:10 <wizkd> After I ran talk.py, sometimes I had to keep trying for 30 seconds or so, not sure why.  And it always has to be hooked to USB
Jun 18 04:50:31 <hemna> m_burns, yes
Jun 18 04:50:46 <woodenrims> so you just turn the on for the ip address
Jun 18 04:50:51 <woodenrims> to figure out the ip address
Jun 18 04:50:56 <woodenrims> other than that it doesn't matter
Jun 18 04:50:58 <ShinAli> bpadalino: my dev environment is finally setup and working
Jun 18 04:51:05 <woodenrims> you are communicating to the pre over usb using telnet?
Jun 18 04:51:13 <ShinAli> that took alot longer than it should
Jun 18 04:51:24 <m_burns> nice.
Jun 18 04:51:44 <wizkd> woodenrims, no, you have to leav wi-fi on.  I think my problem was, without usb, it was going to sleep
Jun 18 04:51:45 <tmzt> who is?
Jun 18 04:52:07 <wizkd> woodenrims, my touchstone doesn't work when I'm telnetting/sshing in
Jun 18 04:52:29 <wizkd> you are still connecting over wifi
Jun 18 04:53:00 <woodenrims> ok
Jun 18 04:53:07 <woodenrims> so in putty
Jun 18 04:53:11 <woodenrims> for hostname i put in my pre's ip
Jun 18 04:53:13 <woodenrims> correct?
Jun 18 04:53:25 <wizkd> yes, and make sure you select "telnet"
Jun 18 04:53:29 <woodenrims> right
Jun 18 04:53:34 <woodenrims> and then just select open
Jun 18 04:53:45 <wizkd> that is all there is to it
Jun 18 04:54:10 <tmzt> is this after telnetd is running?
Jun 18 04:54:29 <wizkd> He said talk.py ran successfully
Jun 18 04:54:35 <tmzt> talk.py does the steps that used to be done through telnet to novacomd proxy?
Jun 18 04:54:44 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 04:54:52 <tmzt> so you use the wifi ip
Jun 18 04:55:18 <woodenrims> yes
Jun 18 04:55:46 <woodenrims> i also tried running novaproxy
Jun 18 04:55:51 <woodenrims> so i could avoid the wifi
Jun 18 04:55:58 <woodenrims> but it just sits at listening on port
Jun 18 04:59:53 <hemna> has anyone tried to run samba on the pre
Jun 18 05:00:22 <hemna> so you can export a mount and edit your /var/usr/palm/applications/com.your.app  files?
Jun 18 05:09:43 <rwhitby> pEEf: ping
Jun 18 05:10:07 <Kaerey> ok.. wish me luck. I just set it to reboot after making what I think are the edits to enable a file picker for alert and notification sounds
Jun 18 05:10:09 <AgentSmith> instead of trying to flash it from the command line to wipe it i just deleted the user databases - hoping they don't get recreated off the "cloud" upon reboot
Jun 18 05:10:59 <Kaerey> So seperate sounds for email and sms and then I think i can do the same for charging sounds
Jun 18 05:12:35 <tmzt> hemna: yeah, sftp is another choice
Jun 18 05:12:42 <rwhitby> Has anyone confirmed whether you can complete the webOS Doctor reflash with a cracked screen?
Jun 18 05:13:31 <furan> how many people are cracking their screens
Jun 18 05:14:04 <hemna> my screen is perfect still
Jun 18 05:14:07 * hemna crosses fingers
Jun 18 05:20:40 <datafirm> hahahaa
Jun 18 05:20:45 <datafirm> mine is perfect too.
Jun 18 05:20:55 <Stik> How are people cracking the screens
Jun 18 05:21:03 <Phazed> Noob question: What dir does the Pre look in for music?  Nothing obvious under /media/internal
Jun 18 05:21:08 <datafirm> no freaking clue.. and that pic thats going around the net.. seriously.. WTF
Jun 18 05:21:13 <datafirm> did you see those greasy hands?
Jun 18 05:21:39 <Stik> what pic? lol
Jun 18 05:21:47 <AgentSmith> hehe i was just talking about my crack over in #webos
Jun 18 05:21:55 <jon2times> anybody know what dir the pre uses for notifications?
Jun 18 05:21:59 <datafirm> Stik: there are articles floating around about the "pres scrathced screen"
Jun 18 05:22:15 <AgentSmith> http://imgur.com/mNIK9.jpg <- mine cracked
Jun 18 05:22:27 <woodenrims> anyone else having problems with the wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk url?
Jun 18 05:22:35 <Stik> How on earth you do that
Jun 18 05:22:42 <AgentSmith> i touched it with my thumb
Jun 18 05:22:43 <Phazed> Here is info in the wikki about how to change system notification
Jun 18 05:22:48 <AgentSmith> methinks i got a defective one
Jun 18 05:22:49 <Phazed> (There)...
Jun 18 05:23:04 <woodenrims> when i run it through Puttytel it comes up bad address
Jun 18 05:23:13 <Stik> I press my thumb on mine to open it
Jun 18 05:23:38 <datafirm> me too.
Jun 18 05:23:43 <woodenrims> but when i go to the website on my PC it works just fine
Jun 18 05:23:44 <datafirm> its what the manual says to do.. haha
Jun 18 05:23:50 <woodenrims> yah i know
Jun 18 05:23:57 <woodenrims> is there something i am missing?
Jun 18 05:23:59 <Stik> lol read manual and crack screen
Jun 18 05:24:04 <AgentSmith> haha
Jun 18 05:24:28 <Stik> Palm definately has some QC issues with this phone
Jun 18 05:24:43 <opie-x> sweet
Jun 18 05:24:48 <opie-x> i got firebug lite running in my pre app
Jun 18 05:25:08 <wizkd> I use both thumbs to open mine, no crack yet
Jun 18 05:25:09 <opie-x> how do i screen cap?
Jun 18 05:25:15 <datafirm> Stik: yes.. :(
Jun 18 05:25:26 <dreadchicken> several people have cracked the screen just like you have and in the same place.  i suspect your best bet it talking to palm, but maybe a sprint store manager could act.
Jun 18 05:25:43 <Stik> Only issue I have with mine is the loose slider which is tolerable...
Jun 18 05:25:56 <datafirm> and they really need to come up with a Coding Standard.. all their devs have a different practice. :(
Jun 18 05:26:00 <tmzt> opie-x: hey I think novacom has something like firebug
Jun 18 05:26:01 <datafirm> its making them look amatuer
Jun 18 05:26:08 <Stik> Afraid if I take it in I will get something worse lol
Jun 18 05:26:11 <tmzt> but we haven't found it yet
Jun 18 05:26:23 <datafirm> tmzt: really?
Jun 18 05:26:30 <datafirm> tmzt: that would be beautiful.
Jun 18 05:26:40 <opie-x> yeah, it doesn't work the greatest.  It needs css tweaks from the default styling, but it's totally functional
Jun 18 05:26:43 <datafirm> I think there is another app that is part of the emulator that does the debugging.
Jun 18 05:26:56 <AgentSmith> dreadchicken: i tried to get support from palm - palm said talk to sprint
Jun 18 05:27:03 <opie-x> what is it?
Jun 18 05:27:03 <AgentSmith> i contacted sprint, they said talk to the sprint store
Jun 18 05:27:04 <AgentSmith> and on and on
Jun 18 05:27:15 <woodenrims> does anyone have any information on why the wget command to download the ipkg would fail?
Jun 18 05:27:22 <tmzt> datafirm: it's guess based on tty:// I can't see why they would use a url for the console
Jun 18 05:27:25 <destinal> btw, anyone know if pandora is a pure mojo app?  ie can you really do that much directly in mojo or does it have a native component?
Jun 18 05:27:37 <dreadchicken> print out everything you can find that supports your position and go see a sprint store.
Jun 18 05:27:47 <datafirm> tmzt: there are quite a few console.log calls in the code.
Jun 18 05:27:59 <Stik> does the touchscreen still work with the crack?
Jun 18 05:28:12 <AgentSmith> no Stik it's dead as a doornail
Jun 18 05:28:16 <AgentSmith> i couldn't even get to the wipe command
Jun 18 05:28:22 <AgentSmith> LCD works fine though
Jun 18 05:28:26 <tmzt> datafirm: I mean root console
Jun 18 05:28:26 <AgentSmith> but you can't interact with the UI
Jun 18 05:28:30 <Stik> man I'd go beat the sprint rep over the head with it
Jun 18 05:28:38 <wizkd> yes me too
Jun 18 05:28:44 <AgentSmith> they're getting a mouthful tomorrow, wizkd is coming
Jun 18 05:28:58 <tmzt> AgentSmith: shat do you mean lcd works fine?
Jun 18 05:29:12 <opie-x> datafirm: i don't think pandora has any specific native components, none that i've seen.  But it does access some of the native services on the pre.  Like the audio controls
Jun 18 05:29:20 <wizkd> I'll stand by and act as a concerned customer, and pull my pre out and ask if it can happen to mine
Jun 18 05:29:23 <AgentSmith> yeah the LCD works fine, but the touchscreen doesn't register finger presses
Jun 18 05:29:31 <Stik> I already decided if apple decides to block the palm I am gonna cut my itouch with a saw into quarters and send it back to apple with a note saying goto hell...
Jun 18 05:29:37 <AgentSmith> I didn't want to take a pic with the display on, crack showed up better with it off
Jun 18 05:29:39 <tmzt> and usb?
Jun 18 05:29:46 <AgentSmith> haha Stik
Jun 18 05:30:00 <AgentSmith> lol wizkd
Jun 18 05:30:35 <wizkd> we should form a flash mob at Sprint store
Jun 18 05:30:54 <Stik> Tell any customers in there not to touch the touchscreen and show them why lol
Jun 18 05:31:35 <AgentSmith> haha
Jun 18 05:31:46 <wizkd> And what does that say about the touchstone?  Don't touch that either
Jun 18 05:31:50 <wizkd> My first one was a dud
Jun 18 05:32:01 <wizkd> Just sayin.  I still think the Pre is cool
Jun 18 05:32:16 <AgentSmith> yeah and the store said something like 1 in 20 touchstones were defective
Jun 18 05:32:32 <destinal> ouch
Jun 18 05:32:36 <Stik> still think they pushed it out way too early
Jun 18 05:32:38 <wizkd> I think Palm will address this reasonably
Jun 18 05:32:56 <destinal> I agree, but yeah, when release should be beta, that's hard.
Jun 18 05:33:54 <Stik> wont give it up though... love the phone...
Jun 18 05:34:14 <destinal> agree, gotta hand it to palm for innovating
Jun 18 05:34:16 <wizkd> Same here.  The foundation is strong.
Jun 18 05:34:18 <AgentSmith> yeah i'm really on the fence, my experience has been bad since day one - i have a hard time justifying keeping it, not even because of Palm, sprint has been horrible to deal with
Jun 18 05:34:26 <datafirm> i got ~20 more days to make a decision and pay ETF with ATT.
Jun 18 05:34:32 <AgentSmith> the handset itself i dig, but having to go through sprintfor issues, oi
Jun 18 05:34:49 <AgentSmith> it's like pulling narwhal teeth
Jun 18 05:34:54 <datafirm> sprint in seattle has been very easy to deal with.. they swapped out my phone and told me theyd do it again.
Jun 18 05:35:00 <Stik> Never had to deal with sprint on that level
Jun 18 05:35:20 <destinal> att/apple did things the right way with iphone, with apple supporting them in their stores.  of course, palm doesn't have a support network like apple does
Jun 18 05:35:30 <Kaerey> ok... try number 2 on activating alert and notification picker from the sounds and alerts menu
Jun 18 05:35:51 <wizkd> This discussion should probably move to #webos
Jun 18 05:35:56 <woodenrims> wget: bad address 'ipkg.nslu2-linux.org'
Jun 18 05:36:00 <woodenrims> anyone know why i get that?
Jun 18 05:36:07 <datafirm> they are totally different phones though.. I was just so sick of my iphones.. had the same experience for 2 years!
Jun 18 05:36:22 <datafirm> woodenrims: its probaby your build.
Jun 18 05:36:30 <datafirm> whats the full url
Jun 18 05:36:33 <datafirm> woodenrims: ^^
Jun 18 05:36:42 <woodenrims> http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk
Jun 18 05:36:52 <woodenrims> i can download the file with that URL to my PC
Jun 18 05:37:09 <woodenrims> but it will not work using the wget through puttytel
Jun 18 05:37:13 <datafirm> ahh. me too
Jun 18 05:37:20 <tmzt> datafirm: bad experience or you just want something new?
Jun 18 05:37:29 <datafirm> tmzt: I want something new.
Jun 18 05:37:42 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 05:38:06 <datafirm> tmzt: the experience is great. easy.. no learning curve and they got people sucked in..  I just craved for more and I cannot stand that blue modal noticifation!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 18 05:38:17 <datafirm> haha
Jun 18 05:38:30 <datafirm> gotta admit.. i REALLY miss my virtual keyboard.
Jun 18 05:38:32 <datafirm> :'(
Jun 18 05:38:37 <datafirm> i was so fast on that thing.
Jun 18 05:38:55 <datafirm> and you dont have to pay attention to what you type.. it just corrects everything.
Jun 18 05:39:04 <datafirm> you can type belligerently
Jun 18 05:39:05 <AgentSmith> I like that the pre is smaller, even though it is thicker
Jun 18 05:39:14 <AgentSmith> iphone is like a huge slab in comparison
Jun 18 05:39:19 <datafirm> yeah.. i love that form factor too!
Jun 18 05:39:27 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 05:39:32 <datafirm> my iphone feels huge when i pick it up now.
Jun 18 05:39:35 <datafirm> but..
Jun 18 05:39:43 <datafirm> that screen is great compared to the Pre
Jun 18 05:39:56 <datafirm> Pre's is too small to read normal webpages without rotating.
Jun 18 05:40:06 <datafirm> i used to never put the iphone in landscape mode
Jun 18 05:40:18 <tmzt> oh
Jun 18 05:40:24 <tmzt> same resolution
Jun 18 05:40:25 <datafirm> wear some polarized glassed and look at the pre's screen.
Jun 18 05:40:26 <datafirm> ick
Jun 18 05:40:33 <datafirm> 3.2 vs 3.5
Jun 18 05:40:34 <Stik> I'd prefer the keyboard slid out the side
Jun 18 05:40:37 <datafirm> so its blown up.
Jun 18 05:40:59 <tmzt> you can't use it in landscape with sunglasses?
Jun 18 05:41:15 <tmzt> I guess that's true of all tfts though
Jun 18 05:41:25 <datafirm> haha.. no just look at it with polarized glasses on.
Jun 18 05:41:31 <datafirm> tmzt: not the iphone..
Jun 18 05:41:36 <AgentSmith> yeah same resolution but smaller
Jun 18 05:41:43 <datafirm> hate to say it.. they did a really good job and used high quality parts.
Jun 18 05:41:48 <AgentSmith> i agree there, less display real estate for reading without a microscope on eyes
Jun 18 05:41:50 <tmzt> how did the avoid that? glass?
Jun 18 05:42:24 <datafirm> maybe.. probably
Jun 18 05:42:33 <datafirm> I think its the plastic that makes all those rainbows
Jun 18 05:42:49 <datafirm> I heart webOS dashboard though.
Jun 18 05:42:56 <datafirm> one of the reasons I needed to switch,
Jun 18 05:43:45 <rwhitby> wizkd: agreed, this stuff is better in #webos, so we can work out why woodenrims can't get DNS ...
Jun 18 05:43:55 <AgentSmith> did palm actually design this handset? the treos were HTC and then some other manufacturer for the treo pro
Jun 18 05:44:02 <wizkd> yeah
Jun 18 05:45:10 <rwhitby> woodenrims: so you can wget the file from your PC, but not from your Pre.  Can you ping the site from your Pre?
Jun 18 05:46:28 <tmzt> I think webos has the potential to change things in much the way iPhone did, synergy looks great.  I was certainly interested in android to a point but it did not really have much that was new
Jun 18 05:47:00 <tmzt> rwhitby: I've had all kinds of problems with busybox wget
Jun 18 05:47:23 <tmzt> it's better to install wget
Jun 18 05:48:20 <Bartman007> what version of busybox is on the pre?
Jun 18 05:49:55 <rwhitby> tmzt: simple wgets should work ok ...
Jun 18 05:55:47 <Kaerey> .. ok attempt #3 on enabling notification and alert picking from the sounds and alert program
Jun 18 05:59:30 <retry> after rooting the system and rebooting, should one leave dev mode on or can you turn it off and still ssh and do mods?
Jun 18 05:59:39 <retry> I am guessing the latter
Jun 18 06:00:28 <mrvc_> bpadalino:  I've been following your precomd development -- very nice
Jun 18 06:00:43 <mrvc_> any idea why the packets are often repeated?
Jun 18 06:00:46 <acksez> im going nuts here
Jun 18 06:00:53 <acksez> where do you configure the proxy settings?
Jun 18 06:01:01 <acksez> on our browser, or pre browser?
Jun 18 06:01:47 <wizkd> retry: you can turn it off
Jun 18 06:01:53 <wizkd> I hate BitchX
Jun 18 06:02:01 <retry> alright thanks for confirmation
Jun 18 06:02:16 <retry> do I need the novacom on my system for any reason?
Jun 18 06:02:35 <acksez> wait
Jun 18 06:02:42 <acksez> you guys runnig bitchx on your pres?
Jun 18 06:02:46 <retry> no
Jun 18 06:02:50 <retry> he is just using it now
Jun 18 06:02:53 <retry> to talk to us most likely
Jun 18 06:03:23 <Stik> can use irssi on pre
Jun 18 06:03:33 <retry> yeah if you ssh to it from somewhere else
Jun 18 06:03:53 <retry> there's not front end for the UI
Jun 18 06:04:00 <retry> nor is there an ssh client
Jun 18 06:04:06 <retry> unless you count the old palm OS one
Jun 18 06:04:08 <AgentSmith> wizkd: if you're on linux give irssi a try
Jun 18 06:04:09 <stikpre> :D
Jun 18 06:04:33 <retry> or kvirc I hear is nice
Jun 18 06:04:35 <retry> if you run a KDE gui
Jun 18 06:05:49 <retry> apache_2.2.11-1_arm.ipk
Jun 18 06:05:53 <retry> hey they got apache for this thing
Jun 18 06:05:56 <stikpre> K I'm done playing tonight... bedtime...
Jun 18 06:06:06 <retry> that opens up many possibilities
Jun 18 06:06:18 <retry> ha and asterisk
Jun 18 06:06:30 <Stik> someone was serving their music/photos the other day
Jun 18 06:06:46 <retry> bitchx_1.1a-final-1_arm.ipk
Jun 18 06:06:47 <retry> :D
Jun 18 06:07:05 <retry> you still gotta run it from a remote session though right?
Jun 18 06:07:15 <furan> drugs are bad mmkay
Jun 18 06:07:17 <retry> none of these packages will appear in the front end
Jun 18 06:07:24 <retry> or am I mistaken
Jun 18 06:07:32 <Kaerey> ok I got the UI to show files selected but they aren't associated to the events yet. so I guess I'm halfway there
Jun 18 06:07:35 <Stik> yeah remote
Jun 18 06:11:23 <destinal> bpaladino: a novacomd replacement?  nice
Jun 18 06:12:30 <destinal> basically reverse engineering the protocol?
Jun 18 06:14:46 <Tilton53> I suggested porting Asterisk to the phone and then when you came home you could have it automaticly route your calls to a home phone system over the wifi
Jun 18 06:14:53 <Tilton53> to the pre*
Jun 18 06:15:08 <Sargun> uhm
Jun 18 06:15:12 <Sargun> harder said than done
Jun 18 06:15:14 <Sargun> er, easier
Jun 18 06:15:14 <destinal> asterisk seems a bit heavy
Jun 18 06:15:23 <Tilton53> Yeah a i know
Jun 18 06:15:27 <Tilton53> but it'd be awesome
Jun 18 06:15:28 <vanadium_> Anyone got an idea why a Pre wouldn't have valid DNS when mounted by a Mac?
Jun 18 06:15:28 <Tilton53> o.o
Jun 18 06:15:30 <Sargun> Look at the audio subsystem...
Jun 18 06:15:42 <Sargun> vanadium_, huh
Jun 18 06:15:43 <vanadium_> Trying to wget and damned if I don't get "network is unreachable"
Jun 18 06:15:58 <vanadium_> rooted in via novaterm
Jun 18 06:16:02 <Tilton53> >.> Sargun I am in no way saying it would be easy
Jun 18 06:16:03 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 18 06:16:25 <vanadium_> nm
Jun 18 06:16:30 <vanadium_> hah, damn machine.
Jun 18 06:16:39 <Sargun> Tilton53, look at the audio subsystem
Jun 18 06:16:42 <Sargun> then hurt yourself.
Jun 18 06:16:51 <Tilton53> and destinal not really
Jun 18 06:17:02 <Tilton53> aterisk can be run on routers with only 16mb of ram
Jun 18 06:17:03 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 18 06:17:09 <Tilton53> asterisk*
Jun 18 06:17:31 <tmzt> destinal: you already have hfp right?
Jun 18 06:18:08 <destinal> Tilton53: I was more thinking from battery life
Jun 18 06:18:35 <hemna> cool
Jun 18 06:18:36 <destinal> but it could work
Jun 18 06:18:42 <hemna> finally got samba mount to my pre working
Jun 18 06:20:01 <destinal> is it an involved process?
Jun 18 06:20:04 <rulethirty> hello
Jun 18 06:20:07 <rulethirty> are there any person here in the Bay Area?
Jun 18 06:20:15 <retry> hey what'st he diff between mount -o remount,rw /
Jun 18 06:20:16 <retry> and
Jun 18 06:20:19 <rulethirty> I have just setup the first Palm Pre meetup that I know of
Jun 18 06:20:24 <rulethirty> http://www.meetup.com/Palm-Pre-Meetup/
Jun 18 06:20:28 <retry> rootfs_open -w
Jun 18 06:20:29 <retry> this
Jun 18 06:20:34 <rwhitby> hemna: anything special you needed to do for samba?
Jun 18 06:20:34 <retry> I'm guessing not much
Jun 18 06:20:51 <rwhitby> retry: one is a script which does the other
Jun 18 06:20:59 <hemna> not really
Jun 18 06:21:01 <rulethirty> and would be interested in any real core hackers have any interesting specifics they would like to disucuss or who would like to attend; then I could help to promote it
Jun 18 06:21:04 <retry> ok thought that might be the case
Jun 18 06:21:06 <acksez> guys
Jun 18 06:21:07 <hemna> had to manually create the smb.conf
Jun 18 06:21:10 <acksez> need help.
Jun 18 06:21:18 <hemna> add the user to the smbpasswd file
Jun 18 06:21:30 <hemna> open the correct samba ports to iptables
Jun 18 06:21:49 <acksez> im trying to putty into my bluetooth. why isnt it connecting?
Jun 18 06:21:57 <acksez> 10.0.0.1
Jun 18 06:21:58 <acksez> =/
Jun 18 06:22:29 <acksez> wait
Jun 18 06:22:32 <acksez> 10.1.1.10
Jun 18 06:22:58 <destinal> a samba server running on the pre? there's something about the idea of carrying a tiny handheld CIFS server that's just neat
Jun 18 06:23:03 <Sargun> destinal, not yet
Jun 18 06:23:07 <hemna> heh yah
Jun 18 06:23:18 <hemna> I just got tired of using vim to edit my app files
Jun 18 06:23:25 <hemna> now I'm using eclipse on the laptop
Jun 18 06:23:30 <destinal> nice
Jun 18 06:24:14 <hemna> mm juicy...there is a mediatomb package as well...
Jun 18 06:24:40 <hemna> would be cool to serve up images the Pre takes to mediatomb...and view them on the PS3
Jun 18 06:26:29 <destinal> it's awesome that the pre is just this massively commercially available handheld linux box with always-on EVDO and good wireless networking, that's pretty easy to just run anything on.  I know most of us have gotten beyond the wow factor for this, but I haven't.
Jun 18 06:27:19 * Sargun neither
Jun 18 06:28:11 <destinal> now when we get a nice gui terminal that fits in with the rest of webos, look out :)
Jun 18 06:29:28 <destinal> how can I help with that, btw, are there any efforts to reverse engineer the browser plugin architecture?
Jun 18 06:35:26 <sloppyjm> Hello
Jun 18 06:36:51 <rulethirty> sorry to plug the Bay Area Palm Pre group again but the URL has changed (again): http://www.meetup.com/palm-webos/
Jun 18 06:37:06 <rulethirty> anyone interested in coming and speaking as well; lets get together so we can work something out
Jun 18 06:37:19 <rulethirty> ive not got much time for IRC so I will not be doing these update normally
Jun 18 06:37:20 <sloppyjm> Wait what about the bay area ?
Jun 18 06:37:40 <rulethirty> trying to put together a Palm Pre meetup
Jun 18 06:37:55 <rulethirty> just dropped $20 on meetup.com to see all of whos interested :oP
Jun 18 06:38:03 <sloppyjm> ok
Jun 18 06:38:07 <hemna> heh I moved out of the bay area last year :P
Jun 18 06:38:15 <sloppyjm> Will it b in san jose or what
Jun 18 06:38:17 <rulethirty> now is a reason to come back :)
Jun 18 06:38:24 <rwhitby> hemna: got a wiki page on the samba install?
Jun 18 06:38:27 <rulethirty> sloppyjm; south bay for sure
Jun 18 06:38:32 <sloppyjm> ok
Jun 18 06:38:39 <rulethirty> Thurs of next week
Jun 18 06:38:40 <opie-x> can someone mod device info so i can see my ips?
Jun 18 06:38:42 <hemna> no not yet...I can make one?
Jun 18 06:38:46 <rulethirty> gives me enough time to proote it :)
Jun 18 06:38:51 <rwhitby> hemna: absolutely
Jun 18 06:39:04 <rulethirty> hemna; if you drop a $20 down for meetup.com im sure they'll let ya ;o)
Jun 18 06:39:08 <rwhitby> hemna: do you have a wiki account already?
Jun 18 06:39:13 <hemna> affirmative
Jun 18 06:39:21 <rulethirty> oh, you were referring to the wiki page
Jun 18 06:39:24 <hemna> I used to live in south sjc
Jun 18 06:39:38 <sloppyjm> so what are the ages here?
Jun 18 06:39:57 <rwhitby> I'd guess 15 to 50
Jun 18 06:40:01 <rulethirty> im 27
Jun 18 06:40:02 <hemna> 38
Jun 18 06:40:09 <sloppyjm> 16
Jun 18 06:40:14 <rulethirty> yeah
Jun 18 06:40:16 <sloppyjm> i must b the youngest here
Jun 18 06:40:17 <rulethirty> quite a range
Jun 18 06:40:24 <rulethirty> i wouldnt doubt it
Jun 18 06:40:27 <sloppyjm> hahaha
Jun 18 06:40:37 <sloppyjm> well we all love hackign our pres dont wee
Jun 18 06:40:44 <rulethirty> indeed
Jun 18 06:40:45 <rulethirty> so anyhow
Jun 18 06:40:49 <rulethirty> ive got to run
Jun 18 06:41:00 <rulethirty> but tell all your south bay palm pre hacking buddies
Jun 18 06:41:14 <rulethirty> trying to put this together and see what interest there is in such a thing
Jun 18 06:41:22 <rulethirty> im a huge proponent of this platform
Jun 18 06:41:33 <rulethirty> and all my coworkers (g1 and iphone) think im batty
Jun 18 06:41:45 <rulethirty> and i think the same of them :)
Jun 18 06:42:47 <sloppyjm> hahaha byt rule mylast name is almostlike your mines a a instead of a y
Jun 18 06:43:01 <rulethirty> anyhow, ill poke my head in a little more often and see what is happening
Jun 18 06:43:06 <rulethirty> really
Jun 18 06:43:11 <rulethirty> thats interesting
Jun 18 06:43:19 <sloppyjm> ok hopefully i can make the meeting
Jun 18 06:43:26 <rulethirty> im told im mostly (75%) scotch welch
Jun 18 06:43:33 <rulethirty> and thats the origin of the name
Jun 18 06:43:48 <sloppyjm> hum im german italian and idk what else
Jun 18 06:44:00 <rulethirty> but i could be green-skined for all i care; ethnicity barely means a thing to me
Jun 18 06:44:08 <sloppyjm> hahahah yeah
Jun 18 06:44:15 <rulethirty> in fact one of my toughest papers was to write about my "culture"
Jun 18 06:44:19 <rulethirty> in university
Jun 18 06:44:28 <sloppyjm> yeah ima b a senoir nxt year
Jun 18 06:44:43 <rulethirty> ok, i really should go
Jun 18 06:45:02 <rulethirty> ill try and be around a little more often; nite ;o)
Jun 18 06:45:50 <rwhitby> hemna: done any performance tests on the samba server yet?
Jun 18 06:46:01 <hemna> nah...just happy it works at all :)
Jun 18 06:46:17 <hemna> setting up mediatomb now...I want to see if I can show the images on my PS3
Jun 18 06:46:43 <rwhitby> No reason I can think of why it won't work.
Jun 18 06:46:49 <tmzt> from the Pre?
Jun 18 06:46:58 <rwhitby> sure
Jun 18 06:47:56 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 06:56:07 <hemna> hrmm
Jun 18 06:56:39 <hemna> so mediatomb things eth0 isn't setup for multicast
Jun 18 06:56:47 <hemna> but ifconfig thinks different
Jun 18 06:57:10 <hemna> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
Jun 18 07:07:43 <retry> BogoMIPS        : 498.07
Jun 18 07:07:46 <retry> hmm
Jun 18 07:07:55 <retry> somehow it seems more powerful than that
Jun 18 07:08:05 <furan> bogomips is a crappy number to look at
Jun 18 07:08:13 <retry> true
Jun 18 07:08:15 <sloppyjm> whats the command for read right
Jun 18 07:08:24 <retry> read right?
Jun 18 07:08:29 <retry> or read/write?
Jun 18 07:08:31 <sloppyjm> Read/write
Jun 18 07:08:39 <sloppyjm> mount as a rw
Jun 18 07:08:42 <retry> tab /usr/sbin/root something
Jun 18 07:08:54 <retry> rootfs_open
Jun 18 07:08:56 <retry> that's it
Jun 18 07:09:03 <retry> default wo flags is same as -w
Jun 18 07:09:20 <sloppyjm> No its like mount -0 remount rw
Jun 18 07:09:28 <retry> yeah itll do that for you
Jun 18 07:09:34 <tmzt> mount -o remount, rw
Jun 18 07:09:38 <tmzt> mount -o remount,rw
Jun 18 07:09:41 <retry> with /
Jun 18 07:09:56 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry> # cat /usr/sbin/rootfs_open
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry> #!/bin/sh
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry> usage() {
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry>     echo "Usage: rootfs_open [-w|-r|-h]"
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry>     echo "Make rootfs writable or readable."
Jun 18 07:10:01 <retry>     echo " -w          make writable (default)"
Jun 18 07:10:03 <retry>     echo " -r          make read-only and reboot"
Jun 18 07:10:04 <hemna> ok got mediatomb working
Jun 18 07:10:05 <retry> #    echo " -p          persistent across reboots"
Jun 18 07:10:07 <retry>     echo " -t          make read-write until the next reboot, then revert to original mode"
Jun 18 07:10:09 <retry>     echo " -h|--help   show this usage screen"
Jun 18 07:10:11 <retry> }
Jun 18 07:10:14 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: FYI, it's the first command listed on http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 18 07:10:17 <hemna> watching a slideshow of the images taken from the PS3
Jun 18 07:10:22 <retry> if [ "${WRITABLE}" -eq "1" ]; then
Jun 18 07:10:22 <retry>     mount -o remount,rw /
Jun 18 07:10:30 <rwhitby> retry: pastebin please
Jun 18 07:10:33 <retry> what's mediatomb?
Jun 18 07:10:38 <retry> ok sorry I'md one
Jun 18 07:10:44 <hemna> Upnp server
Jun 18 07:11:00 <oc80z> heh
Jun 18 07:11:02 <oc80z> http://i42.tinypic.com/24b9p3t.jpg
Jun 18 07:11:07 <retry> ah
Jun 18 07:11:09 <rwhitby> hemna: sort out the multicast?
Jun 18 07:11:17 <oc80z> check that jpg out
Jun 18 07:11:21 <oc80z> palm pre rsync
Jun 18 07:11:22 <oc80z> :P
Jun 18 07:11:33 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 07:11:41 <oc80z> wicked fast eh?
Jun 18 07:12:07 <retry> isn't rsync package already in the ipkg-opt repo?
Jun 18 07:12:12 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 18 07:12:15 <oc80z> sure is
Jun 18 07:12:18 <oc80z> as is openvpn :D
Jun 18 07:12:21 <hemna> man I love this phone
Jun 18 07:12:23 <retry> i saw that
Jun 18 07:12:27 <rwhitby> rsync's that don't transfer anything are usually very fast :-)
Jun 18 07:12:29 <oc80z> hemna cheers
Jun 18 07:12:44 <oc80z> heh what do you mean rwhitby
Jun 18 07:12:46 <sloppyjm> I hella love it to ahahah is their a batery fix yet?
Jun 18 07:13:01 <tmzt> always use -vv
Jun 18 07:13:03 <oc80z> sloppyjm its a powerd issue right
Jun 18 07:13:09 <sloppyjm> yes
Jun 18 07:13:16 <rwhitby> oc80z: oh, sorry, I see it did transfer something.  was that usb or wifi?
Jun 18 07:13:17 <oc80z> yeah thats a clock issue i think
Jun 18 07:13:27 <sloppyjm> Whats that mean
Jun 18 07:13:28 <oc80z> rwhitby wifi
Jun 18 07:13:41 <oc80z> i was looking into it, i think its a simple SprintClock update issue
Jun 18 07:13:53 <oc80z> with the time server, no>>
Jun 18 07:13:54 <oc80z> ?
Jun 18 07:14:06 <sloppyjm> IDk because my phone always dies hella fast
Jun 18 07:14:08 <oc80z> theres a ruleset
Jun 18 07:14:19 <oc80z> i havent messed with it much, i was busy
Jun 18 07:14:25 <oc80z> rwhitby yeah its fast right?
Jun 18 07:14:26 <sloppyjm> so is their a way to change the rule set
Jun 18 07:15:18 <oc80z> rwhitby: this with putty's plink, 1 click can mirror your phone/folder wifi
Jun 18 07:15:33 <oc80z> sloppyjm i suggests installing mlocate, and locate powerd
Jun 18 07:15:46 <sloppyjm> And how do i do that
Jun 18 07:16:00 <oc80z> hemna whacha working on ?
Jun 18 07:16:25 <hemna> getting mediatomb to autoscan the /media/internal directory for changes
Jun 18 07:16:34 <oc80z> yeah?
Jun 18 07:16:37 <hemna> so when I snap a new picture...it will automatically show up on the ps3
Jun 18 07:16:38 <hemna> :)
Jun 18 07:16:40 <oc80z> haha
Jun 18 07:16:46 <oc80z> i set that up too
Jun 18 07:16:49 <oc80z> we rock
Jun 18 07:16:52 <hemna> hehe
Jun 18 07:17:01 <oc80z> shit yeah
Jun 18 07:17:23 <oc80z> if you have a wifi portable photo picture frame
Jun 18 07:17:35 <oc80z> those are fun to mess with too
Jun 18 07:17:46 <oc80z> theres also a lighttp server too
Jun 18 07:18:09 <hemna> I have thttpd running on it
Jun 18 07:19:34 <oc80z> have you found a use for a dynamic DNS client?
Jun 18 07:19:56 <oc80z> thats the first thing i published heh
Jun 18 07:20:23 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 07:20:24 <hemna> ssh :P
Jun 18 07:20:32 <hemna> so I don't have to look for the ip
Jun 18 07:20:47 <hemna> my work has wifi, but it's horribly f/w'd
Jun 18 07:20:58 <oc80z> hmm
Jun 18 07:21:15 <oc80z> i found it usefull for the rsync
Jun 18 07:21:15 <hemna> so I use the ez-ipupdate so I can ssh in via ppp0
Jun 18 07:21:17 <retry> there's a .bashrc in /etc/skel but no bash hmmm
Jun 18 07:21:46 <oc80z> eventually i will be able to search/launch UTorrents from my home utorrent gui..
Jun 18 07:21:49 <rwhitby> retry: there's lots of stuff that OpenEmbedded puts in the the rootfs which is not used (and has not been removed) by Palm
Jun 18 07:21:56 <oc80z> and then rsync them whereever i find an open lan
Jun 18 07:22:00 <oc80z> er, wlan
Jun 18 07:22:03 <retry> ahh
Jun 18 07:22:08 <retry> the default shell is sh or ash?
Jun 18 07:22:09 <oc80z> may be break through with upnp :P
Jun 18 07:22:16 <retry> i thought ash since root has .ash_history in it
Jun 18 07:22:23 <retry> but it's not sourcing .ashrc
Jun 18 07:22:35 <oc80z> keep it up hemna take notes and post it if you can
Jun 18 07:22:57 <retry> i really want to append the PATH var to include /opt/bin and so on
Jun 18 07:23:02 <rwhitby> hemna, oc80z: is /bin/sh a busybox symlink?
Jun 18 07:23:15 <rwhitby> retry: /etc/profile probably
Jun 18 07:23:17 <oc80z> rwhitby could have been in the config
Jun 18 07:23:39 <hemna> rwhitby, affirmative....symlink to busybox
Jun 18 07:23:45 <retry> oh yeah
Jun 18 07:23:52 <retry> nice rwhitby, that looks like it
Jun 18 07:24:10 <retry> so let's see what it sources from the user dir...
Jun 18 07:24:18 <oc80z> yeah could have been in the config *tuturial
Jun 18 07:24:57 <oc80z> they match.
Jun 18 07:25:11 <oc80z> *sigh*
Jun 18 07:25:29 <oc80z> retry u can install bash
Jun 18 07:25:37 <retry> yeah i saw that but I'm content with ash
Jun 18 07:25:42 <oc80z> yep
Jun 18 07:25:45 <retry> if it'll just source some aliases and what not
Jun 18 07:25:55 <retry> i see the /etc/profile does not attempt to source anything
Jun 18 07:25:56 <retry> bummer
Jun 18 07:25:57 <oc80z> PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin/:/bin:/opt/bin:/opt/sbin:/sbin"
Jun 18 07:26:16 <oc80z> that works out
Jun 18 07:26:19 <retry> did you just stick that in /etc/profile?
Jun 18 07:26:22 <oc80z> yea
Jun 18 07:26:27 <retry> I'm thinking of modding /etc/profile to source the user dir
Jun 18 07:26:29 <hemna> sweet...snap a pict....60 seconds later the new image shows up on the ps3 :P
Jun 18 07:26:31 <hemna> LOVE it
Jun 18 07:26:36 <rwhitby> BTW, I thought dropbear and openssh were built to include /opt/bin and /opt/sbin in the path automatically ...
Jun 18 07:26:47 <tmzt> synergy
Jun 18 07:26:51 <oc80z> for PS
Jun 18 07:26:52 <oc80z> use:
Jun 18 07:26:53 <oc80z> PS1='\n\[\e[1;30m\]\[\033)0\016\]\[\]lq\[\017\033(B\](\[\e[1;37m\]\u@pre)\->\n\[\033)0\016\]\[\]mq\[\017\033(B\](\[\e[0;1m\]\w\[\e[1;30m\])--> \[\e[0m\]\$ '
Jun 18 07:26:53 <retry> what would openssh have to do with setting paths?
Jun 18 07:26:56 <oc80z> :)
Jun 18 07:27:13 <tmzt> rpath
Jun 18 07:27:16 <rwhitby> retry: when it starts the shell, it sets a default path
Jun 18 07:27:27 <oc80z> rwhitby: what verson of dropbear? exploits.
Jun 18 07:27:29 <rwhitby> in optware, we set that so it includes /opt/....
Jun 18 07:27:35 <retry> I've never known ssh to do anything like that...just your shell sources an rc
Jun 18 07:27:47 <rwhitby> oc80z: we keep dropbear and openssh up to date enough in optware
Jun 18 07:28:19 <oc80z> please do, the exploits are patheticly easy to overflow dbear
Jun 18 07:28:24 <oc80z> :PP
Jun 18 07:28:47 <oc80z> but those were old+
Jun 18 07:28:51 <rwhitby> retry: http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/sources/dropbear/options.h.patch
Jun 18 07:29:09 <rwhitby> line 266
Jun 18 07:29:23 <retry> i see that's dropbear though
Jun 18 07:29:50 <retry> I installed openssh and it is not adding opt
Jun 18 07:30:13 <tiv> can anyone possibly offer up some help w/ enabling the optware package feed
Jun 18 07:30:24 <retry> oh actually if you read the comments rwhitby
Jun 18 07:30:25 <retry>  The default path. This will often get replaced by the shell
Jun 18 07:30:31 <rwhitby> exactly
Jun 18 07:30:31 <retry> probably /etc/profile overwrites that
Jun 18 07:30:37 <retry> ok gotcha
Jun 18 07:30:58 <tiv> maybe a bit too newb/basic for this chan I guess?
Jun 18 07:31:03 <tmzt> yeah, it applies when using it like rsh
Jun 18 07:31:05 <rwhitby> retry: openssh: http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/make/openssh.mk line 122
Jun 18 07:31:20 <oc80z> wow nice.
Jun 18 07:31:30 <oc80z> ok /me bbiab
Jun 18 07:32:29 <retry> yup ok rwhitby, I slouch corrected
Jun 18 07:32:37 <rwhitby> we do that specifically, cause on some platforms that Optware supports, /etc is read-only.
Jun 18 07:32:56 <hemna> heh, for some reason the wife doesn't appreciate a pr0n.mp4 movie being served by the Pre to watch on the PS3
Jun 18 07:32:57 <hemna> odd
Jun 18 07:33:09 <tiv> lol
Jun 18 07:33:12 <tiv> sounds cool to me
Jun 18 07:33:28 <tiv> women tho, go figure
Jun 18 07:33:42 <rawdr> can't live with them, can't kill'm
Jun 18 07:33:50 <rwhitby> careful, we do have ladies in the channel.
Jun 18 07:33:53 <rawdr> (or can you....)
Jun 18 07:34:01 <tiv> we love the ones that made it here.
Jun 18 07:34:20 <tiv> my lady friends see me on IRC and say, "whats all that hacker talk"
Jun 18 07:34:30 <hemna> my wife has been putting up with my obsession with hacking on the Pre
Jun 18 07:34:38 <hemna> she's just jealous, cuz she wants one now as well
Jun 18 07:35:25 <tiv> i haven't gotten far i've idled here for 2 days, but just begin to setup root, and reached a snag when trying to enable optware package feed
Jun 18 07:35:38 <hemna> just need a way to bundle mediatomb and the setup into a webos app
Jun 18 07:35:49 <tiv> reading through the wiki to try to get it figured out
Jun 18 07:35:49 <hemna> and configure mediatomb via the webos app
Jun 18 07:35:53 <retry> i gotta get a good xvid/avi to mp4 converter
Jun 18 07:35:58 <retry> anybody know of a good tool in windows
Jun 18 07:36:00 <rawdr> tell us the specifics. what problem?
Jun 18 07:36:02 <hemna> snap a pict...few seconds later see it on the tv
Jun 18 07:36:04 <hemna> man it's cool
Jun 18 07:36:12 <hemna> retry, ffmpeg
Jun 18 07:36:23 <retry> my binary won't covnert to mp4 for some reason
Jun 18 07:36:37 <retry> where can I get one with everything compiled in?
Jun 18 07:36:37 <hemna> libxvid included?
Jun 18 07:36:57 <retry> it can convert xvid to flv and mjpeg to xvid/flv
Jun 18 07:37:02 <retry> I mainly use it to convert from digicam
Jun 18 07:37:03 * rwhitby wonders whether the ffmpeg in optware will do that ...
Jun 18 07:37:06 <tiv> I've reached step #5 @ http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 18 07:37:08 <retry> mjpeg being horrible
Jun 18 07:37:18 <hemna> ffmpeg -formats
Jun 18 07:37:20 <retry> i'd rather convert on the pc first
Jun 18 07:37:28 <rwhitby> tiv: ok
Jun 18 07:37:32 <tmzt> install everything it needs and compile it
Jun 18 07:37:33 <retry> hemna it SAYS it supports mp4 for Encoding
Jun 18 07:37:36 <retry> but I tried it and it fails
Jun 18 07:37:40 <retry> maybe my flags are wrong
Jun 18 07:37:41 <tiv> 5. Unpack the contents of data.tar.gz into your /opt directory, starting at the root directory (the filenames in data.tar.gz start with ./opt/…):
Jun 18 07:37:52 <rwhitby> tiv: yep
Jun 18 07:37:55 <hemna> E mp4             MP4 format
Jun 18 07:37:56 <hemna> ?
Jun 18 07:38:00 <retry> yes
Jun 18 07:38:02 <hemna> should have the E
Jun 18 07:38:03 <hemna> hrmm
Jun 18 07:38:08 <hemna> mp4 is just a container though
Jun 18 07:38:13 <rwhitby> tiv: the two lines in the code box will do just that
Jun 18 07:38:15 <tmzt> that's probably just codec
Jun 18 07:38:16 <hemna> which codec are you using?
Jun 18 07:38:17 <tiv> root@castle:/# tar xvzf /tmp/ipkg/data.tar.gz
Jun 18 07:38:17 <tiv> tar: can't open '/tmp/ipkg/data.tar.gz': No such file or directory
Jun 18 07:38:29 <retry> oh well what should I use for pre compatibility?
Jun 18 07:38:38 <tiv> used the lines in the code box
Jun 18 07:38:41 <rwhitby> tiv: in step 4, did you forget the cd /tmp/ipkg ?
Jun 18 07:38:41 <retry> i noticed the sample that came on the pre used a video codec my ffmpeg doesn't support
Jun 18 07:38:42 <hemna> retry, mp4
Jun 18 07:38:43 <rawdr> what happened when you did /mkdir /tmp/ipkg  ?
Jun 18 07:38:52 <retry> mp4 is the container
Jun 18 07:38:58 <hemna> heh
Jun 18 07:39:06 <retry> you just said it yourself
Jun 18 07:39:15 <hemna> I re-encoded a pr0n video using libxvid and .mp4
Jun 18 07:39:19 <hemna> yah I'm tired. :P
Jun 18 07:39:20 <tiv> let me redo that step rwhitby thanks
Jun 18 07:39:30 <retry> oh so it's using xvid and the pre can play it?
Jun 18 07:39:38 <hemna> seems so yah
Jun 18 07:39:42 <retry> hmm
Jun 18 07:39:48 <hemna> I had to force the size to 320x240
Jun 18 07:39:55 <hemna> or the Pre would hate it
Jun 18 07:39:56 <retry> it's funny you converted porn that was my first impulse to try too :D
Jun 18 07:39:58 <tmzt> with gstreamer or dsp?
Jun 18 07:40:21 <hemna> hehe, that's always my first test on a new box...k...will it play pr0n....phew...cool
Jun 18 07:40:24 <retry> ffmpeg.exe -i "$1" -b 1280 -r 25 -s 640x480 -vtag xvid -ab 64 -ar 22050 -ac 1 "$2"
Jun 18 07:40:28 <retry> this cmdline seem ok to you?
Jun 18 07:40:36 <hemna> try 320x240
Jun 18 07:40:39 <retry> obviously I'll switch the res
Jun 18 07:40:40 <retry> yeah
Jun 18 07:40:52 <retry> is is one I use to convert mjpeg from digicam to xvid avi
Jun 18 07:40:58 <hemna> let me dig up my cmdln run
Jun 18 07:41:04 <retry> please do
Jun 18 07:41:32 <tmzt> you can use mp4box for the container
Jun 18 07:41:32 <hemna> ffmpeg -i 'Sandee.mpg' -threads 3 -f mp4 -y -vcodec libxvid -maxrate 5500 -r 23.98 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -g 300 -acodec libfaac -bufsize 4096k -s 320x240 -ab 256k -b 1500k 'Sandee.mp4'
Jun 18 07:42:06 <rwhitby> tiv: did that fix it?
Jun 18 07:42:09 <retry> hmm
Jun 18 07:42:13 <retry> I'll try mine first then yours
Jun 18 07:42:14 <tmzt> does vcodec mpeg4 work?
Jun 18 07:43:10 <hemna> ok good luck
Jun 18 07:43:15 <hemna> I'm gonna hit the sack
Jun 18 07:43:16 <retry> Output #0, mp4, to 'Student.Bodies.XXX.DVDRiP.XviD.mp4':
Jun 18 07:43:16 <retry>   Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, 640x480, 25.00 fps, q=2-31, 1280 kb/s
Jun 18 07:43:20 <retry> fails :/
Jun 18 07:43:26 <retry> Unsupported codec for output stream #0.1
Jun 18 07:43:35 <hemna> yah ffmpeg is very picky
Jun 18 07:43:41 <retry> i know
Jun 18 07:43:43 <retry> i'll try yours
Jun 18 07:43:45 <hemna> sometimes it will throw that error due to options passed
Jun 18 07:43:48 <hemna> it's a pita
Jun 18 07:43:50 <retry> thanks for the help
Jun 18 07:43:52 <hemna> np
Jun 18 07:43:54 <retry> nn2u
Jun 18 07:43:57 <hemna> l8s
Jun 18 07:48:19 <rwhitby> Legit discussion about webOS internals.  Channel policy at http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy  Use #webos for application/sdk discussions. Public logs at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ - Palm monitors these. Honor all NDAs, licenses, carrier agreements and Palm code copyrights when speaking here. No discussion of tethering please. Wiki at http://predev.wikidot.com/ - Pastebin http://webos.pastebin.com/ - Please don'
Jun 18 07:48:20 <rwhitby> t PM the OPs, there's plenty of help in the channel
Jun 18 07:48:59 <rwhitby> hmm - maximum topic length reached :-(
Jun 18 07:49:28 <tiv> ty rwhitby i overlooked 1 command
Jun 18 07:50:49 <tmzt> what's the difference?
Jun 18 07:53:54 <rwhitby> ok, the channel policy is now in place: http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy
Jun 18 07:56:28 <retry> oh now you tell me there is public logging
Jun 18 07:56:48 <rwhitby> retry: it was in the topic from before anyone started talking on this channel
Jun 18 07:57:08 <retry> who reads topics! ;p
Jun 18 07:57:13 <retry> I'm not really bothered
Jun 18 07:57:21 <rwhitby> those who want to know whether there is logging or not ...
Jun 18 07:57:52 <retry> it's my own fault for spending 95% of my irc time in the lowest dregs of chat
Jun 18 07:58:23 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 07:58:58 <Sargun> ?
Jun 18 07:58:59 <retry> k
Jun 18 07:59:01 <Sargun> dregs
Jun 18 07:59:15 <retry> btw thanks for all your hard work with optware
Jun 18 07:59:56 <tiv> $MYUSER = replace with my username in the instructions correct?
Jun 18 07:59:56 <retry> hi sargun
Jun 18 08:00:00 <retry> that's right, dregs
Jun 18 08:00:04 <seigex> erm
Jun 18 08:00:09 <retry> yes tiv
Jun 18 08:00:11 <tiv> ty
Jun 18 08:00:12 <retry> you say
Jun 18 08:00:18 <seigex> anyone notice that the Pre uploads stats to palm?
Jun 18 08:00:18 <retry> MYSER=ty
Jun 18 08:00:22 <retry> MYUSER=ty
Jun 18 08:00:27 <tiv> ty=thankyou
Jun 18 08:00:30 <retry> echo $MYUSER
Jun 18 08:00:38 <seigex> actually quite a bit of data including a dmesg output syslog and others
Jun 18 08:00:39 <retry> yeah sorry I meant to type tiv
Jun 18 08:00:44 <tiv> LOL
Jun 18 08:01:12 <bootleg> so i get talk.py to run correctly but then telnet cant find my device
Jun 18 08:01:21 <bootleg> i think i just need sleep..lol
Jun 18 08:02:06 <seigex> check out /var/log/rdxd/pending and /var/log/rdxd/uploaded
Jun 18 08:02:12 <analog1`zZz> make sure the phone is not in usb mode
Jun 18 08:02:37 <seigex> has .tgz's when decompressed are quite a bit of data about ur pre that's sent to palm
Jun 18 08:03:25 <seigex> also in /var/log/hwtest/ted/pics is a picture taken by my pre that I never took
Jun 18 08:03:26 <seigex> hmmm
Jun 18 08:03:45 <bootleg> how do you get to those folders
Jun 18 08:03:50 <seigex> or is it too late for anyone to care? :)
Jun 18 08:04:01 <seigex> log in via ssh su to root and cd to the directories
Jun 18 08:04:31 <bootleg> will putty work for that ?
Jun 18 08:04:34 <seigex> this has me a little nervous that my pre is sending stuff to palm and able to take pictures by it self
Jun 18 08:04:34 <seigex> yeah
Jun 18 08:04:42 <seigex> but you have to root the pre first with talk.py
Jun 18 08:04:52 <bootleg> i was successful with that part i thin
Jun 18 08:04:57 <bootleg> just have been able to make a connection yet
Jun 18 08:05:07 <tmzt> that's what rdxd does?
Jun 18 08:05:10 <bootleg> somehow i think my static ip i tried to assign it with my router isnt working
Jun 18 08:05:16 <seigex> yeah
Jun 18 08:05:30 <seigex> if you look at the uploadd log it talks about which uploads were successful and which werent
Jun 18 08:05:51 <bootleg> where is there an upload log ?
Jun 18 08:05:59 <tiv> So I've got to step #14 Take a look at the script. Notice that it automatically modifies the firewalls rules to enable incoming SSH on port 222 over WiFI (interface eth0) connections only.
Jun 18 08:06:01 <retry> seigex, what do you mean it's taking pics and sending them to sprint
Jun 18 08:06:15 <retry> ok tiv
Jun 18 08:06:16 <tiv> not sure of the command line to edit this file
Jun 18 08:06:22 <seigex> not sure if its sending them.. but it took a pic and has it in that directory i said
Jun 18 08:06:23 <retry> there's nothing to edit
Jun 18 08:06:29 <tiv> ok
Jun 18 08:06:31 <seigex> tiv: vi or install nano via ipkg
Jun 18 08:06:34 <retry> you sure you didn't accidentally take a pic?
Jun 18 08:06:44 <seigex> its in a hwtest (hardware test) directory
Jun 18 08:06:46 <retry> hooray for nano :p
Jun 18 08:06:48 <seigex> no i didn't take the pic
Jun 18 08:06:52 <retry> ok let me look
Jun 18 08:06:57 <retry> var log you say
Jun 18 08:07:02 <rawdr> that pic was taken at the factory, seigex
Jun 18 08:07:13 <rawdr> timestamp should put it way before you got the phone
Jun 18 08:07:17 <retry> yup
Jun 18 08:07:20 <retry> I got the same dirs
Jun 18 08:07:21 <seigex> good point.. the date is 0531
Jun 18 08:07:21 <retry> ted
Jun 18 08:07:23 <retry> pic
Jun 18 08:07:31 <retry> MFT_P5PE068950E2_20090608_015732.log
Jun 18 08:07:33 <retry> and a jpg
Jun 18 08:07:35 <retry> from Jun7
Jun 18 08:07:40 <retry> which is before i got the phone
Jun 18 08:07:41 <seigex> but that doesn't explain the rdxd directory sending quite a bit of data to palm :)
Jun 18 08:08:03 <rawdr> like what?
Jun 18 08:08:14 <retry> if you look at the log, it's a battery of tests
Jun 18 08:08:20 <retry> it probably snapped a pic to test the system
Jun 18 08:08:35 <seigex> dmesg syslog fsck minicore overview sysinfo
Jun 18 08:08:38 <seigex> all .txt files
Jun 18 08:08:56 <rawdr> if any of it is identifying, you can argue with palm. otherwise it's probably something you already said yes to in the license agreement
Jun 18 08:09:05 <seigex> its uploading them continuosly if you run a tail -f messages
Jun 18 08:09:36 <seigex> i'm sure it is.. but doesn't make me happy with it it'd be nice to let you opt-in / opt-out of sending anonymous stats like most companies do
Jun 18 08:09:38 <tiv> command for closing a file after using vi to edit?
Jun 18 08:09:49 <seigex> hit esc then : then q!
Jun 18 08:09:56 <rawdr> or :wq to save the file
Jun 18 08:10:04 <Hamzifer> :q to quit, :w to write, :wq to write + quit, :q! to quit discarding all changes
Jun 18 08:10:17 <retry> that last thing I see in /var/log/messages is power msgs about the battery charging
Jun 18 08:10:19 <retry> from this morning
Jun 18 08:10:40 <seigex> mine's trying to upload the latest logs and then deletes them after
Jun 18 08:10:50 <rawdr> your pre's a snitch
Jun 18 08:10:52 <rawdr> burn it
Jun 18 08:11:09 <seigex> yeah i guess it is
Jun 18 08:11:39 <bootleg> is there a way to find the phones ip on the actual phone ?
Jun 18 08:11:53 <retry> oh tis version of tar is limited
Jun 18 08:11:54 <retry> no --list
Jun 18 08:11:56 <seigex> the wifi ip yeah
Jun 18 08:12:03 <bootleg> how for the wifi i
Jun 18 08:12:03 <retry> cna't seem to read a gzipped compressed archive
Jun 18 08:12:05 <bootleg> p
Jun 18 08:12:13 <rawdr> ifconfig
Jun 18 08:12:24 <seigex> retry, the version of busybox they use has problems.. gives an error with certain .tar files
Jun 18 08:12:38 <bootleg> im gonna run ip config on my phone...
Jun 18 08:12:42 <retry> seigex, if you are really concerned, run a cron task to delete these logs every minute
Jun 18 08:12:56 <seigex> retry, obviously.. thats not my point :)
Jun 18 08:12:56 <retry> looks like they load up in pending
Jun 18 08:13:11 <rawdr> paste us one of the message lines
Jun 18 08:13:12 <retry> did you open an archive yet?
Jun 18 08:15:48 <seigex> i'm sorry in /var/log/uploadd/uploadd-history.txt has the upload stuff
Jun 18 08:15:59 <seigex> 2009-06-18T07:43:02Z    upload  /var/log/rdxd/pending/rdxd-log-28.tgz   OK      RDX-3194843
Jun 18 08:15:59 <seigex> 2009-06-18T07:43:14Z    upload  /var/log/rdxd/pending/rdxd-log-20.tgz   ERR_UPLOAD_THROTTLED_DAILY
Jun 18 08:15:59 <seigex> 2009-06-18T07:43:24Z    upload  /var/log/rdxd/pending/rdxd-log-35.tgz   ERR_UPLOAD_THROTTLED_DAILY
Jun 18 08:16:48 <seigex> ddd
Jun 18 08:17:23 <seigex> which contains dmesg.txt fsck.txt manifest.txt minicore.txt overview.txt sysinfo.txt and syslog.txt
Jun 18 08:18:01 <rawdr> had any crashes?
Jun 18 08:18:16 <rawdr> one of the palm guys at least mentioned crash data being uploaded to palm
Jun 18 08:18:18 <seigex> nah .. been lucky so far
Jun 18 08:18:30 <rawdr> which is what I thought minicore was
Jun 18 08:18:59 <seigex> its possible..
Jun 18 08:19:45 <retry> rawdr, the palm backs up everyday
Jun 18 08:20:02 <seigex> ytou know what that has to be it.. it references a crash in the dmesg.txt
Jun 18 08:20:19 <seigex> still something they should put out that you're sys logs will be uploaded if your pre crashes
Jun 18 08:20:32 <seigex> crazy lil devils over at palm shame on them
Jun 18 08:20:48 <seigex> brb
Jun 18 08:21:30 <rawdr> I will upload my first born if it will help make my phone more cool
Jun 18 08:22:00 <bootleg> whats the easiest way to double check the phones ip... cause putty sorta connected once and wont do it now
Jun 18 08:22:11 <tmzt> I can't see any actual private data in those files
Jun 18 08:22:18 <rawdr> on wifi? you can do it on the pre itself
Jun 18 08:22:22 <bootleg> how
Jun 18 08:22:25 <rawdr> go to wifi prefs, click on the network you're joined to
Jun 18 08:22:34 <bootleg> how
Jun 18 08:22:40 <bootleg> really..
Jun 18 08:22:53 <tmzt> is minicore from the kernel?
Jun 18 08:23:08 <bootleg> i feel dumb.
Jun 18 08:24:39 <tiv> so I've successfully connected ssh to my pre using the evdo ip address
Jun 18 08:24:48 <tiv> but couldn't connect using the wifi ip address
Jun 18 08:24:57 <retry> well great my phone is bricked
Jun 18 08:25:01 <tiv> maybe port forwarding on my router?
Jun 18 08:25:07 <retry> idk what happened
Jun 18 08:25:15 <retry> it was just sitting there connected to the laptop
Jun 18 08:25:17 <bootleg> nice im in
Jun 18 08:25:23 <tmzt> dmesg - error/warnings from the kernel, devices detected, problems with the filesystem
Jun 18 08:27:13 <tmzt> fsck - the result of a check of your filesystem it might have filesnames and dates but probably nothing else
Jun 18 08:27:39 <tmzt> manifest - I assume this files installed by packages, not personal files
Jun 18 08:27:52 <tmzt> overview + no idea
Jun 18 08:28:27 <tmzt> sysinfo - might contain serial number, probably cpuinfo lsmod I guess
Jun 18 08:28:43 <Hamzifer> and output from any additional daemons you may be running
Jun 18 08:28:56 <tmzt> syslog - this might have private data/personal database names and contents
Jun 18 08:29:07 <Hamzifer> thats the one i was thinking of, my bad
Jun 18 08:29:16 <tmzt> yeah
Jun 18 08:32:37 <retry> wow my phone is really bricked...
Jun 18 08:32:43 <retry> although if I phone it , it comes alive
Jun 18 08:32:49 <retry> but the touch screen is dead and the power switch too
Jun 18 08:33:03 <retry> i wonder what I did :/
Jun 18 08:33:03 <rawdr> weird
Jun 18 08:33:16 <tmzt> the screen is physically broken?
Jun 18 08:33:24 <retry> idk but it doesn't respond to touching
Jun 18 08:33:34 <retry> basically none of the controls works
Jun 18 08:33:41 <retry> but if i call it, it'll come alive
Jun 18 08:33:46 <retry> not that it's usable
Jun 18 08:33:56 <rawdr> my girlfriend is the same way
Jun 18 08:34:00 <retry> heh
Jun 18 08:34:02 <retry> sorry to hear that
Jun 18 08:34:03 <rawdr> ask it how it's feeling
Jun 18 08:34:04 <tmzt> do you have ssh?
Jun 18 08:34:12 <retry> no i lost it
Jun 18 08:34:22 <retry> when it went dark
Jun 18 08:34:25 <retry> wifi signal shutdown
Jun 18 08:34:34 <tmzt> plugging usb?
Jun 18 08:34:41 <retry> dammit i knew i should have modded the iptables rules to make it sshable from the WAN
Jun 18 08:34:47 <retry> i already disconnected it from usb
Jun 18 08:34:58 <retry> i had it plugged in charging
Jun 18 08:35:05 <retry> so that wifi wouldn't drop while I was ssh'd in
Jun 18 08:35:27 <bootleg> so i cant navigate folders when im loggin in via telnet
Jun 18 08:35:33 <bootleg> something tells me i did something wrong
Jun 18 08:35:53 <Sargun> retry, uhm.... when you plug it in, does it show up?
Jun 18 08:35:56 <retry> so is this webOS doctor going to fix it?
Jun 18 08:36:05 <rawdr> most likely
Jun 18 08:36:21 <rawdr> if it's not hardware it should fix it.
Jun 18 08:36:29 <retry> ok when I plug it in
Jun 18 08:36:33 <retry> screen comes on
Jun 18 08:36:35 <retry> witht he usual options
Jun 18 08:36:38 <retry> touch screen doesn't work
Jun 18 08:36:50 <retry> oh but maybe wifi sig is back
Jun 18 08:36:56 <tmzt> can you ping over wifi?
Jun 18 08:37:07 <tmzt> and what about novacom
Jun 18 08:37:13 <tmzt> this is interesting
Jun 18 08:37:19 <retry> ok yeah I was able to ssh back in
Jun 18 08:37:31 <retry> i will assume I can ping
Jun 18 08:37:49 <tmzt> do you have a sheel now?
Jun 18 08:37:51 <tmzt> shell
Jun 18 08:37:55 <retry> yes
Jun 18 08:37:57 <retry> I'm in
Jun 18 08:38:01 <retry> still broken though
Jun 18 08:38:05 <retry> what should I try first?
Jun 18 08:38:14 <retry> remount ro and reboot from shell?
Jun 18 08:38:19 <retry> can I safely reboot from shell?
Jun 18 08:38:23 <tmzt> lsusb
Jun 18 08:38:37 <retry> where is that?
Jun 18 08:38:48 <retry> what's the path to that cmd
Jun 18 08:39:12 <tmzt> ls /sys/bus/usb
Jun 18 08:39:17 <tmzt> not installed
Jun 18 08:39:28 <retry> $ ls /sys/bus/usb
Jun 18 08:39:28 <retry> ./                 devices/           drivers_autoprobe  uevent
Jun 18 08:39:28 <retry> ../                drivers/           drivers_probe
Jun 18 08:39:32 <retry> ok what next
Jun 18 08:39:45 <tmzt> ls /sys/bus/usb/devices/
Jun 18 08:40:03 <tmzt> find /sys/bus/usb/devices/
Jun 18 08:40:06 <retry> 1-0:1.0@ 1-1@     1-1:1.0@ 1-1:1.1@ usb1@
Jun 18 08:40:47 <retry> all symlinks to /sys/devices/platform$
Jun 18 08:40:48 <tmzt> two usb devices?
Jun 18 08:41:00 <tmzt> did find work?
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> $ find
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> .
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> ./usb1
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> ./1-0:1.0
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> ./1-1
Jun 18 08:41:12 <retry> ./1-1:1.0
Jun 18 08:41:14 <retry> ./1-1:1.1
Jun 18 08:41:36 <tmzt> did you follow ipkg-opt?
Jun 18 08:41:45 <retry> what do you mean
Jun 18 08:41:53 <retry> I rooted the system and installed ipkg-opt
Jun 18 08:41:56 <retry> everything went very smooth
Jun 18 08:42:09 <retry> then I was ssh'd in adjusting /etc/profile...bareyl touched that
Jun 18 08:42:12 <retry> added some aliases
Jun 18 08:42:18 <retry> added noatime to /opt mount in fstab
Jun 18 08:42:23 <tmzt> ipkg-opt install usbutils
Jun 18 08:42:30 <retry> then did mount -a
Jun 18 08:42:40 <retry> why do you think usb is the issue?
Jun 18 08:43:15 <retry> Timeout in prcm_check_power_domain_status(), domain 9, desired state 1, current state 3
Jun 18 08:43:15 <retry> Entering extreme PS mode...
Jun 18 08:43:18 <retry> what does this mean?
Jun 18 08:43:22 <retry> dmesg is full of that
Jun 18 08:43:23 <tmzt> there's two devices on usb host I think, I'm pretty sure touchscreen is one of them but I can't be sure
Jun 18 08:43:34 <retry> well it's not just touchscreen that isn't working
Jun 18 08:43:38 <retry> it's also the analog controls
Jun 18 08:43:45 <bootleg> when i enter echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab
Jun 18 08:43:45 <bootleg>    i get /var/opt: Permission denied... how do i get access to that again ?
Jun 18 08:43:45 <retry> the power switch, the ringtone on/off and the volume
Jun 18 08:44:12 <rawdr> bootleg, type 'su' ?
Jun 18 08:44:18 <tmzt> bootleg: you have to be root
Jun 18 08:44:21 <rawdr> or sudo it if you have sudo
Jun 18 08:44:21 <retry> why does it say /var/opt perm denied
Jun 18 08:44:27 <bootleg> i am root
Jun 18 08:44:37 <tmzt> bootleg: are you using single quotes or backquotes?
Jun 18 08:44:38 <retry> did you mount the fs to be writable?
Jun 18 08:44:59 <bootleg> mkdir /var/opt
Jun 18 08:44:59 <bootleg> mkdir /opt
Jun 18 08:44:59 <bootleg> mount -o bind /var/opt /opt
Jun 18 08:44:59 <bootleg> echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab
Jun 18 08:45:02 <rawdr> mount rootfs / -o remount,rw
Jun 18 08:45:03 <bootleg> i did that exactly
Jun 18 08:45:07 <bootleg> o
Jun 18 08:45:11 <bootleg> <-- linux noob
Jun 18 08:45:30 <tmzt> do one command at a time
Jun 18 08:45:53 <bootleg> i did
Jun 18 08:45:58 <bootleg> still get permission denied
Jun 18 08:46:19 <rawdr> after remounting?
Jun 18 08:46:19 <tmzt> on which command?
Jun 18 08:46:22 <retry> i have errors in til.log that say june 18 and it's june 17th now
Jun 18 08:46:23 <bootleg> 4th one
Jun 18 08:46:36 <bootleg> echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab
Jun 18 08:46:49 <bootleg> and i get
Jun 18 08:46:58 <bootleg> sh: /var/opt: Permission Denied
Jun 18 08:47:28 <retry> well tmzt, I'm rebooting the system to start
Jun 18 08:47:33 <retry> we'll see what happens after it comes up again
Jun 18 08:47:42 <tmzt> that's exactly what you wrote?
Jun 18 08:47:49 <bootleg> yes
Jun 18 08:48:01 <retry> the fact that it says /var/opt is odd
Jun 18 08:48:09 <retry> try double quotes just for the hell of it
Jun 18 08:48:17 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 08:48:31 <tmzt> I think you used backquotes
Jun 18 08:48:44 <bootleg> i think i did.. lol
Jun 18 08:49:04 <bootleg> yea that worked.
Jun 18 08:49:06 <bootleg> lol
Jun 18 08:49:16 <rawdr> what changed?
Jun 18 08:49:16 <bootleg> i need a linux crash course..
Jun 18 08:49:31 <bootleg> nothing it seems to have accepted it tho
Jun 18 08:49:39 <bootleg> no error this time
Jun 18 08:49:49 <retry> ahh the reboot saved the day :D
Jun 18 08:49:52 <rawdr> you said 'that worked'. what worked? I don't get it
Jun 18 08:50:00 <bootleg> i didnt get permission denied
Jun 18 08:50:08 <rawdr> nothing changed?
Jun 18 08:50:12 <bootleg> so im assuming the syntax was okay
Jun 18 08:50:14 <retry> rawdr, he tried double quotes instead of single
Jun 18 08:50:18 <retry> but we think he was using backticks
Jun 18 08:50:19 <rawdr> oh. double quotes
Jun 18 08:50:32 <bootleg> i was using back ticks as he said
Jun 18 08:50:40 <retry> tmzt, thanks for trying to help troubleshoot
Jun 18 08:50:45 <retry> i appreciate that
Jun 18 08:50:54 <retry> even though reboot was all it took
Jun 18 08:50:57 <retry> still disconcerting
Jun 18 08:51:07 <bootleg> well he nailed it
Jun 18 08:51:10 <retry> if I hadn't had ssh and wifi going...i'd have been SCREWED
Jun 18 08:51:15 <tmzt> I like to find the root cause
Jun 18 08:51:29 <retry> yeah but who knows if it was usb
Jun 18 08:51:42 <tmzt> did lsusb install?
Jun 18 08:51:47 <retry> I didn't install it yet
Jun 18 08:51:50 <retry> i will
Jun 18 08:56:27 <retry> tmzt, usbutils I take it
Jun 18 08:56:49 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 08:56:51 <retry> # lsusb
Jun 18 08:56:51 <retry> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 05c6:3197 Qualcomm, Inc. CDMA Wireless Modem/Phone
Jun 18 08:56:51 <retry> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Jun 18 08:56:54 <retry> there we are
Jun 18 08:57:43 <retry> sys bus usb devices seems same
Jun 18 08:58:29 <tmzt> hub
Jun 18 08:58:37 <tmzt> and tye old vid/pid
Jun 18 08:58:56 <retry> eh?
Jun 18 08:59:03 <tmzt> can you paste lsusb -v -v on the pastebin in topic
Jun 18 08:59:09 <tmzt> one second
Jun 18 08:59:11 <retry> sure
Jun 18 08:59:32 <tmzt> vendor/product id
Jun 18 09:00:01 <tmzt> 23:49 < tmzt> vendor/product id
Jun 18 09:00:09 <retry> http://webos.pastebin.com/d34ffdac5
Jun 18 09:00:19 <retry> I don't see anything troublesome
Jun 18 09:02:20 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 09:02:32 <tmzt> no touchscreen there
Jun 18 09:02:38 <retry> hmm is there a way to chmod the usb drive storage 777?
Jun 18 09:02:47 <retry> it doesn't change when I run chmod 777 /media/internal
Jun 18 09:02:59 <retry> yeah the touchscreen doesn't seem to be a usb device
Jun 18 09:03:08 <retry> maybe it's wacom?
Jun 18 09:03:18 <tiv> port 222: Connection refused
Jun 18 09:03:20 <tiv> damn
Jun 18 09:03:28 <tiv> I can't ssh
Jun 18 09:03:35 <tiv> after all those steps, connected, then rebooted
Jun 18 09:03:35 <tmzt> can you find a file called touchscreenhid?
Jun 18 09:03:56 <retry> no
Jun 18 09:03:59 <tmzt> that filesystem is vfat, doesn't usb permissions
Jun 18 09:04:00 <retry> not found tmzt
Jun 18 09:04:12 <retry> so I have to be root to write to it?
Jun 18 09:04:19 <tmzt> somebody mentioned it yesterday
Jun 18 09:04:20 <retry> oh wait I could mount it as my unprivved user
Jun 18 09:04:20 <tmzt> no
Jun 18 09:04:28 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 09:04:34 <retry> well I tried to rsync to it and it failed to write
Jun 18 09:04:37 <tmzt> yess
Jun 18 09:04:42 <retry> as i was not rsyncing as root
Jun 18 09:05:18 <retry> /dev/mapper/store-media on /media/internal type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8)
Jun 18 09:08:07 <tmzt> what the nonpriv uid/gid?
Jun 18 09:13:43 <retry> hmm
Jun 18 09:13:48 <retry> vfat can't take a gid option
Jun 18 09:14:04 <retry> what would happen if I mounted it as fat or usbfs?
Jun 18 09:14:09 <tiv> What to do if I can't ssh after the first initial reboot.
Jun 18 09:14:16 <tmzt> it can't?
Jun 18 09:14:23 <tiv> I'm not excatly sure where to go back to to make sure it stays enabled
Jun 18 09:14:30 <tmzt> tiv: redo the novacom stuff
Jun 18 09:14:49 <retry> tmzt, neg it's not an option listed in mount man page
Jun 18 09:15:00 <retry> for vfat
Jun 18 09:15:16 <retry> alright screw this...the easy solution is to set up a keypair for root and rsync that way :D
Jun 18 09:15:24 <bootleg> just wanted to say thanks again guys... appreciate the help... got as far as dropbear installed and running so far and learned loads
Jun 18 09:15:35 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 09:15:46 <tmzt> and use openssh, makes it easier
Jun 18 09:15:48 <retry> oh man use openssh
Jun 18 09:15:51 <retry> hehe
Jun 18 09:15:54 <bootleg> lol
Jun 18 09:16:06 <bootleg> the wiki said dropbear used less pre resources
Jun 18 09:16:07 <bootleg>  :\
Jun 18 09:16:07 <retry> dropbear is fine but openssh has a lot more options and features
Jun 18 09:16:17 <retry> the wiki does not lie
Jun 18 09:16:24 <bootleg> will u notice the pre slowing down with openssh on it ?
Jun 18 09:16:27 <retry> but ssh gives you rsync capability and scp
Jun 18 09:16:33 <retry> naw
Jun 18 09:16:46 <bootleg> if i dont know what rsync and scp are at the moment and I gonna miss out ? lol
Jun 18 09:16:47 <tmzt> slightly
Jun 18 09:16:56 <tiv> so just go through all the steps over again?
Jun 18 09:17:07 <tiv> seesh here we go
Jun 18 09:17:19 <retry> you can install ssh side by side iwth dropbear
Jun 18 09:17:21 <retry> on a different port
Jun 18 09:17:24 <retry> and then remove dropbear
Jun 18 09:17:30 <retry> after you ssh in
Jun 18 09:17:37 <bootleg> i cant remove dropbear first ?
Jun 18 09:17:39 <retry> shouldn't be so hard
Jun 18 09:17:43 <retry> well if you do you have to telnet
Jun 18 09:17:47 <retry> that's more effort
Jun 18 09:17:51 <joshua> I like sargun's chroot debian setup. Did he do a writeup of that?
Jun 18 09:17:54 <bootleg> im telnet atm
Jun 18 09:17:55 <retry> then you gotta put it in dev mode again
Jun 18 09:18:01 <bootleg> still in dev mode
Jun 18 09:18:04 <retry> oh you are still telnet
Jun 18 09:18:05 <retry> ok
Jun 18 09:18:06 <bootleg> ill see what I can do
Jun 18 09:18:09 <retry> then sure just remove it first
Jun 18 09:18:12 <bootleg> wiki seems to have all the stuff
Jun 18 09:18:26 <retry> joshua, chroot of an entire debian distro?
Jun 18 09:18:43 <Sargun> joshua, I did.
Jun 18 09:18:51 <tmzt> so the modem is not using AT?
Jun 18 09:20:28 <bootleg> geeze is it just a command to uninstall dropbear ?
Jun 18 09:20:43 <bootleg> after you kill the daemon ?
Jun 18 09:20:54 <tmzt> no
Jun 18 09:21:01 <tmzt> what command?
Jun 18 09:21:10 <bootleg> uh oh.. got myself into trouble already
Jun 18 09:21:15 <tmzt> just install openssh and it will take the symlinks
Jun 18 09:21:31 <bootleg> i dont have to uninstall ?
Jun 18 09:21:46 <tmzt> what do the instructions say?
Jun 18 09:21:55 <bootleg> dont see instructions for removing :\
Jun 18 09:21:57 <tmzt> yeah, that's client only, sorry
Jun 18 09:22:47 <retry> ipkg-opt remove dropbear should do it
Jun 18 09:22:51 <retry> does ipkg-opt have a purge?
Jun 18 09:22:52 <bootleg> kk
Jun 18 09:23:35 <retry> guess it doesn't
Jun 18 09:23:46 <retry> is there an event.d scrcipt for dropbear?
Jun 18 09:23:50 <retry> you'll want to remove that manually
Jun 18 09:24:00 <bootleg> yea there is
Jun 18 09:24:04 <tmzt> that's the important part
Jun 18 09:24:19 <bootleg> how do you remove that part ?
Jun 18 09:24:47 <tmzt> rm
Jun 18 09:24:53 <bootleg> cd /etc/event.d/
Jun 18 09:24:53 <bootleg> wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-openssh
Jun 18 09:24:58 <retry> oh hey my phone did it again
Jun 18 09:25:02 <retry> tmzt
Jun 18 09:25:06 <bootleg> so rm optware-openssh ?
Jun 18 09:25:08 <retry> you wanna debug more?
Jun 18 09:25:24 <tmzt> cat /dev/input/event*
Jun 18 09:25:32 <retry> oh is that the same event.d script that openssh uses?
Jun 18 09:25:36 <bootleg> well
Jun 18 09:25:42 <bootleg> in my case its dropbear at the end not openssh
Jun 18 09:25:47 <bootleg> so optware-dropbear
Jun 18 09:25:51 <retry> yeah remove that
Jun 18 09:25:54 <retry> and get the ssh one
Jun 18 09:25:57 <bootleg> kk
Jun 18 09:30:58 <tmzt> retry: did that output anything?
Jun 18 09:31:20 <retry> what?
Jun 18 09:31:36 <tmzt> cat /dev/input/event*
Jun 18 09:31:36 <retry> oh sorry I didn't realize you were addressing me with that
Jun 18 09:31:44 <retry> thought you were helping bootleg with his event.d script
Jun 18 09:31:44 <tmzt> press everything
Jun 18 09:31:50 <retry> I rebooted already :)
Jun 18 09:31:56 <retry> I think I can break it anytime though
Jun 18 09:32:02 <bootleg> got openssh going.. thx
Jun 18 09:32:15 <tmzt> how?
Jun 18 09:34:32 <retry> ok this is my hypothesis
Jun 18 09:34:40 <retry> remount the root fs rw
Jun 18 09:34:51 <retry> then do mount -a
Jun 18 09:35:05 <retry> eventually after that it'll crash
Jun 18 09:35:13 <retry> i'm not basing this on much mind you
Jun 18 09:35:19 <tmzt> paste fstab here
Jun 18 09:35:30 <tmzt> how long?
Jun 18 09:35:37 <retry> it's pretty much stock after rooting directions
Jun 18 09:35:40 <retry> except I added noatime
Jun 18 09:35:57 <tmzt> I need to see it
Jun 18 09:36:25 <tmzt> I think a daemon is dying
Jun 18 09:36:29 <retry> # mount -a
Jun 18 09:36:29 <retry> mount: mounting rootfs on / failed: No such file or directory
Jun 18 09:37:03 <retry> the only diff from stock fstab is the var/opt line
Jun 18 09:37:07 <retry> with noatime
Jun 18 09:37:12 <retry> /var/opt /opt bind defaults,noatime,bind 0 0
Jun 18 09:37:37 <tmzt> yeah, but the other fs's are mounted as well
Jun 18 09:37:55 <tmzt> we need to see which if any is causing it
Jun 18 09:38:15 <tmzt> noatime is useless with bind anyway
Jun 18 09:38:20 <retry> is it?
Jun 18 09:38:30 <tmzt> I think so
Jun 18 09:38:39 <retry> can't hurt to put it in just to be safe
Jun 18 09:38:40 <tmzt> the fs driver is below vfs
Jun 18 09:38:44 <retry> OR CAN IT
Jun 18 09:39:01 <tmzt> I don't think so
Jun 18 09:39:31 <retry> oh yeah it's already dead again
Jun 18 09:39:38 <retry> didn't even have to mount the fs rw
Jun 18 09:39:43 <retry> either mount -a toasted it
Jun 18 09:39:44 <retry> OR
Jun 18 09:39:51 <retry> let's look at dmesg
Jun 18 09:40:33 <tmzt> let's look at syslog
Jun 18 09:40:39 <tmzt> both actually
Jun 18 09:40:52 <tmzt> cool :)
Jun 18 09:41:52 <retry> 2009-06-17T23:29:00.652467Z [61596] castle user.debug hidd: HidPluginStopReaderThread: HidTouchpane
Jun 18 09:41:52 <retry> l: Attempted to stop the reader thread after it has already been stopped
Jun 18 09:42:00 <retry> ok something caused everything to crash pretty much
Jun 18 09:42:05 <retry> and it's all in messages
Jun 18 09:42:38 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 09:43:00 <tmzt> what I don't get is why it locks input devices
Jun 18 09:43:06 <tmzt> makes no sense
Jun 18 09:43:07 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 09:43:14 <tmzt> comment out the dev line
Jun 18 09:43:23 <tmzt> both of them
Jun 18 09:43:31 <tmzt> reboot
Jun 18 09:43:33 <tmzt> mount -a
Jun 18 09:43:39 <tmzt> check messages
Jun 18 09:44:49 <retry> 2009-06-18T09:38:46.048675Z [708] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 0]
Jun 18 09:44:49 <retry> this repeats a few times at the end of the log
Jun 18 09:44:56 <retry> hold on I'm going to save this log somewhere first
Jun 18 09:45:14 <retry> the other hunch I'm wondering about is battery charge reaching 100% while plugged in
Jun 18 09:45:22 <retry> also might be triggering this
Jun 18 09:45:53 <tmzt> ps aux PIPE grep hidd
Jun 18 09:46:01 <tmzt> strace -p thatpid
Jun 18 09:47:08 <retry> let me pastebin this
Jun 18 09:47:36 <retry> http://webos.pastebin.com/m54b3e343
Jun 18 09:48:11 <retry> ok now I'm rebooting
Jun 18 09:49:18 <retry> oh hidd is bluetooth
Jun 18 09:49:21 <retry> I dont even have that enabled
Jun 18 09:50:32 <retry> god the log timestamps are all messed up
Jun 18 09:50:36 <retry> the java log thinks it's 1970
Jun 18 09:52:54 <tmzt> it's not bluetooth I think
Jun 18 09:53:04 <tmzt> HidTouchpane
Jun 18 09:55:40 <retry> 2009-06-18T09:55:04.322662Z [370] castle user.warning powerd: POWERD-SUSPEND: IdleCheck can't sleep because because an activity is active:
Jun 18 09:55:44 <retry> great message
Jun 18 09:55:47 <retry> activity is active
Jun 18 09:55:59 <retry> http://linux.die.net/man/1/hidd
Jun 18 09:56:05 <retry> hidd = bluetooth
Jun 18 09:56:29 <retry> but idk
Jun 18 09:56:39 <retry> not arguing with you because I think I'm right
Jun 18 09:56:45 <retry> just don't want to jump to conclusions
Jun 18 09:57:50 <retry> find -name 'HiddEventIpc.c'
Jun 18 09:57:52 <retry> gives no results
Jun 18 09:58:05 <tmzt> what is the path to hidd
Jun 18 09:58:15 <tmzt> it wouldn't that's in the source code
Jun 18 09:58:29 <tmzt> normally yes
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> # find -name 'hidd*'
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> ./usr/bin/hidd
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> ./usr/lib/ipkg/info/hidd.md5sums
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> ./usr/lib/ipkg/info/hidd.list
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> ./usr/lib/ipkg/info/hidd.control
Jun 18 09:58:57 <retry> ./var/run/hidd.pid
Jun 18 09:58:59 <retry> ./etc/hidd
Jun 18 09:59:01 <retry> ./etc/event.d/hidd
Jun 18 09:59:03 <retry> ./tmp/hidd
Jun 18 09:59:31 <tiv> can anyone help w/ editing my background. I'm having user permission issues, I can ssh in, but when trying to do /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/images$ cp backdrop-phon
Jun 18 09:59:35 <tiv> e.png backdrop-phone.png.old
Jun 18 09:59:38 <tiv> cp: cannot create 'backdrop-phone.png.old': Permission denied
Jun 18 10:00:03 <retry> your fs is probably not mounted to rw
Jun 18 10:00:10 <tmzt> hidd -v
Jun 18 10:00:23 <retry> main:
Jun 18 10:00:23 <retry>   hidd is already running
Jun 18 10:00:38 <retry> but right now phone is NOT borked
Jun 18 10:00:39 <tmzt> quite sure it's not bluez
Jun 18 10:00:44 <retry> shall I mount -a and see if it borks it?
Jun 18 10:01:36 <retry> /usr/bin/hidd -v -f /etc/hidd/HidPlugins.xml --output-syslog
Jun 18 10:01:48 <retry> the contents of that xml are for a keyboard , the accelerometer
Jun 18 10:02:06 <tmzt> path names?
Jun 18 10:02:09 <retry> the touchpanel
Jun 18 10:02:19 <retry> light
Jun 18 10:02:29 <retry> ok it's hardware interface daemon
Jun 18 10:02:34 <retry> that's my guess
Jun 18 10:02:42 <tmzt> did you comment out the /dev related lines?
Jun 18 10:02:43 <tmzt> in /etc/fstab
Jun 18 10:02:48 <retry> no
Jun 18 10:02:50 <retry> why would i?
Jun 18 10:03:23 <tmzt> elimnation
Jun 18 10:03:43 <tmzt> human interface device daemon
Jun 18 10:03:59 <tmzt> just not the hidd from the bluez package
Jun 18 10:04:00 <retry> ahh
Jun 18 10:04:09 <retry> so I typed mount -a
Jun 18 10:04:19 <retry> and the phone went sideways
Jun 18 10:04:23 <retry> and messages logs
Jun 18 10:04:23 <retry> 2009-06-18T10:03:25.203216Z [871] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 0]
Jun 18 10:04:23 <retry> 2009-06-18T10:03:26.244476Z [872] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 2]
Jun 18 10:04:23 <retry> 2009-06-18T10:03:32.014495Z [877] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 0]
Jun 18 10:04:24 <retry> 2009-06-18T10:03:33.015777Z [878] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 3]
Jun 18 10:04:27 <retry> 2009-06-18T10:03:34.126434Z [880] castle user.err hidd: HiddEventIpc.c:439 : _SendEvent: No such file or directory [Errors since last msg: 5]
Jun 18 10:04:31 <retry> so yes I do believe mount -a is the cause
Jun 18 10:04:41 <tmzt> mount -a mounts everything fstab that doesn't have noauto
Jun 18 10:04:50 <tmzt> sideways?
Jun 18 10:04:50 <retry> that isn't already mounted I thought
Jun 18 10:05:00 <retry> oh it's just an expression
Jun 18 10:05:02 <tmzt> it's busybox
Jun 18 10:05:10 <tmzt> expect breakage
Jun 18 10:05:26 <retry> hahe
Jun 18 10:05:30 <retry> mercy
Jun 18 10:05:45 <retry> well ok mount -a : always a bad idea
Jun 18 10:06:15 <tmzt> thought you meant orientation
Jun 18 10:06:18 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 10:06:25 <tmzt> reenable dev and comment tmp
Jun 18 10:06:26 <bootleg> anyone have any luck with tethering ?
Jun 18 10:06:41 <tmzt> not to be discussed here, read topic
Jun 18 10:06:42 <retry> i never commented nothing
Jun 18 10:06:50 <bootleg> my bad
Jun 18 10:06:52 <tmzt> input died?
Jun 18 10:07:09 <retry> yes
Jun 18 10:07:30 <tmzt> reboot
Jun 18 10:07:38 <tmzt> comment tmp and mount -a
Jun 18 10:07:54 <retry> why tmp
Jun 18 10:08:00 <retry> oh because that is where HIDD stores its sockets
Jun 18 10:08:23 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:09:24 <Sargun> hehe
Jun 18 10:09:41 <Sargun> hidd does the touchscreen too I thought
Jun 18 10:10:37 <retry> yup tmzt, nailed it
Jun 18 10:10:43 <retry> when i commented out tmp
Jun 18 10:10:47 <tmzt> didn't break?
Jun 18 10:10:49 <retry> mount -a did not cause hidd to die
Jun 18 10:10:52 <retry> then I uncommented
Jun 18 10:10:55 <retry> mount -a again
Jun 18 10:10:56 <tmzt> please paste that line
Jun 18 10:10:58 <retry> and same pattern of behavior
Jun 18 10:11:02 <retry> which line
Jun 18 10:11:28 <retry> the line for tmp?
Jun 18 10:11:40 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:11:45 <retry> tmpfs   /tmp    tmpfs   size=64M,mode=1777      0       0
Jun 18 10:11:54 <retry> mode is like umask I take it?
Jun 18 10:11:56 <tmzt> why size
Jun 18 10:12:00 <retry> no idea
Jun 18 10:12:02 <retry> that is stock
Jun 18 10:12:06 <tmzt> where is all the ram going Palm?
Jun 18 10:12:19 <retry> tmpfs                    64.0M      4.0k     64.0M   0% /tmp
Jun 18 10:12:24 <retry> that is df output
Jun 18 10:12:28 <retry> well there is a ram disk
Jun 18 10:12:38 <tmzt> tmpfs is build on the linux fs cache, it's a collection dentries and inodes
Jun 18 10:12:41 <retry> tmpfs                   119.6M         0    119.6M   0% /media/ram
Jun 18 10:12:52 <tmzt> oh
Jun 18 10:12:55 <retry> that's a different mount point see
Jun 18 10:12:57 <tmzt> wow
Jun 18 10:13:08 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 10:13:09 <retry> i am surprised they don't use /dev/shm
Jun 18 10:13:13 <tmzt> nevermind
Jun 18 10:13:20 <tmzt> size is a maximum
Jun 18 10:13:32 <retry> yeah like /dev/shm
Jun 18 10:13:43 <tmzt> sorry Palm to doubt you
Jun 18 10:13:54 <retry> so we solved that mystery of mount -a crashes
Jun 18 10:14:55 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:15:04 <retry> wow there is this java app running
Jun 18 10:15:10 <retry> with the most insane path line ever
Jun 18 10:15:27 <tmzt> not exactly though
Jun 18 10:15:42 <tmzt> let's try a couple things
Jun 18 10:15:56 <retry> ok hold on a sec
Jun 18 10:16:04 <retry> I want to try to restart HIDD
Jun 18 10:16:09 <retry> and see if I can make the phone recover w/o reboot
Jun 18 10:16:24 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:16:31 <tmzt> but let's break it first
Jun 18 10:16:50 <tmzt> mount
Jun 18 10:16:59 <tmzt> paste the tmpfs line
Jun 18 10:17:17 <retry> it's already in the broke state
Jun 18 10:17:24 <retry> ok initctl stop/start of hidd did NOT solve anything
Jun 18 10:17:43 <retry> tmpfs                   119.6M         0    119.6M   0% /media/ram
Jun 18 10:17:49 <retry> oops you want the fstab line
Jun 18 10:18:00 <retry> tmpfs   /tmp    tmpfs   size=64M,mode=1777      0       0
Jun 18 10:18:04 <retry> btw, don't you have a pre?
Jun 18 10:18:23 <retry> why don't you break YOURS :p
Jun 18 10:18:53 <tmzt> I don't have one
Jun 18 10:19:10 <tmzt> no I don't want the fstab line
Jun 18 10:19:23 <tmzt> I want the output of mount when input works
Jun 18 10:20:06 <tmzt> '/tmp isn't mounted?
Jun 18 10:20:16 <tmzt> normally
Jun 18 10:20:37 <tmzt> the breakage is disappearing inodes, probably unix sockets
Jun 18 10:21:01 <retry> tmp is mounted normally
Jun 18 10:22:16 <tmzt> what do you mean
Jun 18 10:22:30 <tmzt> after a reboot, what does df -h /tmp say?
Jun 18 10:22:38 <retry> oh it's mounted alright
Jun 18 10:22:43 <retry> it's being used by a lot of systems
Jun 18 10:22:57 <tmzt> yes, but is it an fs or part of /
Jun 18 10:23:19 <joshua> tmpfs is stored in virtual memory, its not a real partition
Jun 18 10:23:20 * oc80z back
Jun 18 10:23:49 <joshua> fstab tells it how large to make it
Jun 18 10:23:56 <tmzt> output from commands helps more
Jun 18 10:24:14 <tmzt> it tells us what's really happening
Jun 18 10:24:22 <tmzt> fstab is read by mount
Jun 18 10:24:31 <tmzt> not the kernel
Jun 18 10:24:40 <joshua> the heck are you trying to figure out
Jun 18 10:26:07 <retry> shit I messed up my sshd
Jun 18 10:26:10 <retry> now i have to telnet in
Jun 18 10:26:17 <tmzt> what's breaking input
Jun 18 10:26:27 <tmzt> and why the input devices are locked
Jun 18 10:26:36 <joshua> did you try checking the permissions on the devices
Jun 18 10:26:58 <retry> joshua, basically I was messing about with /var/opt
Jun 18 10:27:00 <tmzt> we no the tmpfs line in fstab is the problem
Jun 18 10:27:01 <retry> i wanted to add noatime
Jun 18 10:27:08 <retry> so I did that
Jun 18 10:27:10 <retry> and then did mount -a
Jun 18 10:27:22 <retry> thinking that'd just remount the partition with noatime
Jun 18 10:27:24 <retry> but when I did it
Jun 18 10:27:29 <retry> it caused hidd to crash
Jun 18 10:27:32 <retry> as noted in dmesg
Jun 18 10:27:38 <tmzt> not dmesg
Jun 18 10:27:39 <retry> and that caused all the interfaces to stop working of course
Jun 18 10:27:43 <tmzt> dmesg is kernel
Jun 18 10:27:47 <joshua> hrm yeah thats not how you wanna mount things. heh
Jun 18 10:27:50 <retry> sorry /var/log/messages
Jun 18 10:28:10 <tmzt> but his change didn't break it
Jun 18 10:28:20 <retry> like on deb, you can mount -a and it'll just mount what is in fstab that isn't mounted
Jun 18 10:28:22 <tmzt> that's what we are trying to dinf out
Jun 18 10:28:24 <retry> right it wasn't the change
Jun 18 10:28:27 <joshua> is gadgetfs in fstab, i don't have shell into my phone at the moment
Jun 18 10:28:28 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:28:30 <retry> that just led to the discovery
Jun 18 10:28:40 <retry> dont think so joshua
Jun 18 10:28:52 <tmzt> joshua: it should be handled by udev
Jun 18 10:28:55 <retry> do I have to do all the rooting steps to gain telnet access?
Jun 18 10:29:06 <retry> or is it simpler now that I"ve already rooted once?
Jun 18 10:29:14 <tmzt> did you lose access?
Jun 18 10:29:32 <tmzt> the simplest answer to that is there is no "rooting"
Jun 18 10:29:34 <joshua> i
Jun 18 10:29:42 <joshua> i've only gone in through novaterm myself
Jun 18 10:29:53 <retry> tmzt, i messed up my ssh conf
Jun 18 10:29:55 <joshua> never set up ssh on mine
Jun 18 10:29:59 <retry> and lost access
Jun 18 10:30:19 <tmzt> you don't have to do all the stepds, just the telnetd ones
Jun 18 10:30:28 <tmzt> nothing permenant
Jun 18 10:30:54 <tmzt> joshua: are you on osx?
Jun 18 10:31:01 <joshua> yeah
Jun 18 10:31:03 <retry> oh crap
Jun 18 10:31:10 <retry> now the rooter script isn't working :/
Jun 18 10:31:17 <oc80z> why
Jun 18 10:32:13 <joshua> wonder how many people that chat in here actually have a pre
Jun 18 10:32:42 <joshua> weird how many backseat hackers there were the first night it got rooted. heh
Jun 18 10:33:09 <tmzt> some in au
Jun 18 10:33:57 <joshua> Yeah I guess cause of my weird hours there are fewer people
Jun 18 10:34:20 <oc80z> sup hertzi
Jun 18 10:35:21 <tmzt> where are you?
Jun 18 10:35:23 <retry> ok nm i got it working and ssh is back
Jun 18 10:35:33 <tmzt> good
Jun 18 10:35:38 <retry> I'm in hawaii
Jun 18 10:35:43 <tmzt> oh cool
Jun 18 10:35:51 <tmzt> df -h /tmp
Jun 18 10:36:01 <retry> wait hold on
Jun 18 10:36:05 <retry> I want to get out of dev mode
Jun 18 10:36:14 <retry> i gotta enable making it visible...I am sick of typing konami
Jun 18 10:36:16 <tmzt> doesn't matter
Jun 18 10:36:48 <retry> http://predev.wikidot.com/pre-hash-codes
Jun 18 10:36:56 <retry> anybody know how to make use of these hash codes?
Jun 18 10:37:02 <retry> I'd like to see my GPS location for example
Jun 18 10:37:12 <tmzt> type in dialer
Jun 18 10:39:06 <retry> OH
Jun 18 10:39:13 <retry> that is what those are
Jun 18 10:39:22 <retry> ok now it seems obvious
Jun 18 10:39:41 <retry> somehow since this whole wiki is about internals, I thought it was something more involved
Jun 18 10:40:43 <tmzt> no
Jun 18 10:40:43 <retry> tmzt,
Jun 18 10:40:44 <retry> # df -h /tmp
Jun 18 10:40:44 <retry> Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 18 10:40:44 <retry> tmpfs                    64.0M    172.0k     63.8M   0% /tmp
Jun 18 10:40:51 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 10:41:06 <tmzt> losf -p $(pidof hidd)
Jun 18 10:41:08 <tmzt> lsof
Jun 18 10:41:15 <tmzt> install if needed
Jun 18 10:41:39 <oc80z> retry what do you mean more involved
Jun 18 10:41:41 <joshua> tmp has a bunch of junk in it, and there are daemons running to support stuff like input devices I think
Jun 18 10:42:05 <retry> yes
Jun 18 10:42:06 <retry> exactly
Jun 18 10:42:10 <retry> hidd is that daemon
Jun 18 10:42:15 <retry> and it has all these socket file in tmp
Jun 18 10:42:18 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:42:33 <tmzt> and the disappear when mount -a is run
Jun 18 10:42:39 <tmzt> the question is why
Jun 18 10:42:54 <joshua> probably because the contents go poof when its remounted
Jun 18 10:42:55 <oc80z> ?
Jun 18 10:43:04 <retry> yeah that might be it
Jun 18 10:43:09 <joshua> tmpfs isn't an actual filesystem, its created at mount time
Jun 18 10:43:14 <retry> although restarting hidd with initctl did not fix it
Jun 18 10:43:42 <joshua> you unmount tmpfs and the files are gone
Jun 18 10:43:53 <tmzt> joshua: yeah, but why is it being mount over itself
Jun 18 10:44:05 <tmzt> I just answered my question
Jun 18 10:44:18 <tmzt> two things
Jun 18 10:44:35 <tmzt> first paste the lsof greeped by tmp
Jun 18 10:44:38 <tmzt> for hidd
Jun 18 10:44:51 <tmzt> here if it's short
Jun 18 10:47:01 <retry> # lsof -p 1047 |grep tmp
Jun 18 10:47:01 <retry> hidd    1047 root    6u  unix 0xcc46b8c0      0t0  1880 /var/tmp/hidd/KeypadCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:01 <retry> hidd    1047 root    7u  unix 0xcc46b720      0t0  1883 /var/tmp/hidd/TouchpanelCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:01 <retry> hidd    1047 root    8u  unix 0xcc46b580      0t0  1886 /var/tmp/hidd/AccelerometerCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:01 <retry> hidd    1047 root    9u  unix 0xcc46b3e0      0t0  1889 /var/tmp/hidd/ProximityCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:02 <retry> hidd    1047 root   10u  unix 0xcc46b240      0t0  1892 /var/tmp/hidd/LightCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:04 <retry> hidd    1047 root   11u  unix 0xcc46b0a0      0t0  1894 /var/tmp/hidd/AvrcpCmdSocket
Jun 18 10:47:38 <retry> it's very confusing with all these bound mount points
Jun 18 10:48:06 <retry> /var/tmp is a symlink to /tmp
Jun 18 10:48:21 <retry> i guess not bound at mount
Jun 18 10:48:57 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 10:50:14 <tmzt> you were only mounting /var/opt though not /var
Jun 18 10:50:18 <joshua> well apparently you can mount -o remount tmpfs and it will let you resize it on the fly
Jun 18 10:50:26 <joshua> so i don't know what mount -a is doing exactly
Jun 18 10:50:30 <tmzt> uncomment tmpfs in fstab
Jun 18 10:50:46 <tmzt> mount -av or strace mount -a your choise
Jun 18 10:51:03 <joshua> just don't use mount -a, that would be my take. heh
Jun 18 10:51:37 <joshua> tmpfs is good to have
Jun 18 10:51:39 <tmzt> it's in a script apparently
Jun 18 10:51:42 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 10:51:56 <tmzt> tmpfs doesn't really have a size though
Jun 18 10:52:30 <joshua> has whatever size its mounted with
Jun 18 10:53:04 <tmzt> no, that's the limit
Jun 18 10:53:11 <joshua> size=64M,mode=1777 can change that to make it bigger
Jun 18 10:53:15 <tmzt> it has whatever size is used
Jun 18 10:54:40 <tmzt> in use
Jun 18 10:55:18 <joshua> i bet they have a daemon increasing it as needed to reserve the other space for virtual memory
Jun 18 10:55:43 <tmzt> for classic?
Jun 18 10:55:45 <joshua> starts at 64M from fstab and goes from there
Jun 18 10:55:57 <joshua> for whatever apps put stuff in /tmp
Jun 18 10:55:59 <tmzt> you are not listening though
Jun 18 10:56:10 <tmzt> tmpfs is just a cache
Jun 18 10:56:27 <tmzt> it is allocated by the kernel when files are created
Jun 18 10:56:40 <tmzt> and deallocated when they are removed
Jun 18 10:57:08 <retry> like /dev/shm
Jun 18 10:57:10 <joshua> the files aren't on the hard drive, but they exist in virtual memory till its unmounted
Jun 18 10:57:18 <retry> like /dev/shm
Jun 18 10:57:20 <joshua> you can read/write to it like any other directory
Jun 18 10:57:34 <joshua> and it starts at whatever size its mounted at, which is 64M in /etc/fstab
Jun 18 10:58:13 <tmzt> how much ram is free? how much total?
Jun 18 10:58:27 <retry> mount -av output was identical to mount -a output
Jun 18 10:58:35 <retry> root@castle:/tmp# mount -av
Jun 18 10:58:35 <retry> mount: mounting rootfs on / failed: No such file or directory
Jun 18 10:58:56 <retry> everything is tmp is still there
Jun 18 10:59:00 <retry> but HIDD crashed as usual
Jun 18 10:59:04 <retry> in*
Jun 18 10:59:36 <tmzt> still there?
Jun 18 10:59:42 <tmzt> and strace?
Jun 18 10:59:49 <retry> what about strace
Jun 18 11:00:27 <tmzt> strace mount -a
Jun 18 11:00:38 <tmzt> see if it really calls mount on tmpfs
Jun 18 11:01:00 <retry> mount("tmpfs", "/tmp", "tmpfs", MS_VERBOSE, "size=64M,mode=1777") = 0
Jun 18 11:01:01 <retry> stat64("tmpfs", 0xbebd0758)             = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jun 18 11:01:15 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 11:01:17 <retry> that i think is your answer
Jun 18 11:01:18 <tmzt> it does
Jun 18 11:01:19 <retry> weird though
Jun 18 11:01:21 <tmzt> yes
Jun 18 11:01:24 <retry> cause it's there
Jun 18 11:01:25 <tmzt> hah
Jun 18 11:01:27 <retry> still mounted too
Jun 18 11:01:34 <retry> anyway I am gonna reboot again
Jun 18 11:01:39 <tmzt> why is it in fstab anyway?
Jun 18 11:02:02 <retry> well I think it has to mount initially at boot
Jun 18 11:02:41 <retry> alright I'm too tired now to do any more investigating
Jun 18 11:02:46 <retry> we know the cause
Jun 18 11:02:55 <retry> so that's good enough for me
Jun 18 11:03:08 <retry> i just want this damn nascar app off my phone
Jun 18 11:04:13 <joshua> what kernel version is the pre running?
Jun 18 11:04:42 <joshua> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0402.3/0238.html found this post, something about /etc/mtab not matching /proc/mounts
Jun 18 11:04:57 <joshua> and if /proc is also in fstab I wonder if that would screw with it when youd o mount -a
Jun 18 11:05:06 <joshua> I dunno, I'm tired. heh
Jun 18 11:06:46 <tmzt> no
Jun 18 11:07:02 <tmzt> that's common anyway
Jun 18 11:07:08 <tmzt> if mount -n is used
Jun 18 11:09:39 <retry> i've run mount -a on live linux systems before
Jun 18 11:09:44 <retry> and it doesn't typically cause problems
Jun 18 11:09:52 <retry> it usually will not mount stuff that is already mounted
Jun 18 11:10:00 <retry> and only mount anything that got unmounted
Jun 18 11:10:05 <joshua> yeah but have you run it on a cell phone or pda. heh
Jun 18 11:10:25 <joshua> theres a lot goin on with this thing, especially with the usb modes
Jun 18 11:10:32 <tmzt> I just think it's busybox
Jun 18 11:10:38 <retry> yeah
Jun 18 11:10:50 <retry> I am no expert on busybox
Jun 18 11:10:52 <tmzt> gain from what thing?
Jun 18 11:10:57 <joshua> type which mount to see if its a busybox internal or command
Jun 18 11:11:19 <retry> the only other busybox I've looked around on before is dd-wrt/tomato for my router
Jun 18 11:11:37 <retry> i am off the phone and switched off wifi
Jun 18 11:11:43 <retry> so tomorrow...
Jun 18 11:12:10 <tmzt> ok
Jun 18 11:32:42 <atlanta> Yoooyooo
Jun 18 11:33:51 <tmzt> atlanta: you are here
Jun 18 11:34:01 <tmzt> atlanta: ask any questions you have
Jun 18 11:34:30 <atlanta> @tmzt huh?
Jun 18 11:34:46 <atlanta> You've got answers for me?
Jun 18 11:35:22 <tmzt> can't know that unless you ask your question
Jun 18 11:35:40 <atlanta> What kinda questions would I have to ask?
Jun 18 11:35:41 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 11:35:46 <tmzt> you don't have to, you can hang out here if you prefer
Jun 18 11:35:53 <tmzt> do you have a pre?
Jun 18 11:36:01 <atlanta> i know mostly everything about the phone so no need to ask  lol
Jun 18 11:36:18 <atlanta> yes i do, was one of the first on the T word that we cant speak of
Jun 18 11:36:19 <tmzt> cool
Jun 18 11:36:47 <tmzt> oh, sorry
Jun 18 11:37:01 <atlanta> nall your good man
Jun 18 11:37:01 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 11:37:07 <tmzt> I remeber now
Jun 18 11:38:38 <atlanta> what have you been up 2
Jun 18 11:38:39 <atlanta>  ?
Jun 18 11:39:38 <tmzt> learning about pre through hands-off exploration
Jun 18 11:40:57 <atlanta> cool cool thats good yea
Jun 18 11:41:12 <atlanta> we working on surfing through binaries now
Jun 18 11:41:37 <tmzt> what do you mean
Jun 18 11:56:34 <atlanta> Well theres certain  compiled libraries
Jun 18 11:56:46 <atlanta> on the phone that function certain things
Jun 18 11:57:19 <atlanta> Anything new yesterday
Jun 18 11:57:19 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 11:58:04 <rose32> is there a ssh client for palm?
Jun 18 11:58:15 <rose32> I mean palm pre of course :P
Jun 18 11:58:20 <atlanta> To ssh into server etc
Jun 18 11:58:20 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 11:58:29 <rose32> yes, ssh from pre to a server
Jun 18 11:59:03 <atlanta> Currently through the app catalog no but im sure you can get it to work via webshell and a ssh client from linux
Jun 18 11:59:17 <atlanta> I was told that the ssh client from palmOS works in classic
Jun 18 11:59:33 <rose32> I guess that in the future it will be one available
Jun 18 11:59:51 <rose32> pre still doesn't arrive here (spain) and I'm waiting :-((((
Jun 18 12:00:28 <rose32> but I'm interested in using it for common uses like connect to some servers via ssh
Jun 18 12:02:23 <rose32> is there any rummor about pre distribution in another countries?
Jun 18 12:02:41 <atlanta> Yea probably next year
Jun 18 12:02:44 <atlanta> beggining
Jun 18 12:03:13 <rose32> atlanta: next year?!?!?!?!?!?! ohh my god!!! why it will be so late?
Jun 18 12:03:18 <atlanta> Pretty powerful phone
Jun 18 12:03:36 <atlanta> Sprint has exclusive rights to the phone for the rest of 09
Jun 18 12:03:40 <atlanta> and maybe even longer
Jun 18 12:03:52 <atlanta> and sprint is a CDMA network not GSM
Jun 18 12:04:19 <atlanta> Any CDMA networks in spain
Jun 18 12:04:19 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:04:54 <rose32> atlanta: aren't any other companies negotiating with palm? Such as telefonica (movistar), vodafone, ...?
Jun 18 12:06:20 <tmzt> we need a plugin for a real webos term to work
Jun 18 12:06:36 <tmzt> there are some ajax ones like ajaxphpterm
Jun 18 12:06:39 <czarphanguye> tmzt: def
Jun 18 12:07:02 <tmzt> ?
Jun 18 12:07:04 <atlanta> @tmzt tried any yet
Jun 18 12:07:05 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:07:12 <atlanta> he ment definitely
Jun 18 12:07:13 <tmzt> I don't have a pre
Jun 18 12:07:17 <atlanta> awww boooo
Jun 18 12:07:21 <tmzt> yeah I thought so
Jun 18 12:07:35 <tmzt> that was the hands-off part
Jun 18 12:07:37 <atlanta> Oh man time to get the sdk
Jun 18 12:09:39 <rose32> I can't wait until next year to have a pre :(((
Jun 18 12:09:55 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 12:09:57 <rose32> I'm not very conviced to buy a nokia n97 :((
Jun 18 12:10:11 <rose32> neither iphone
Jun 18 12:10:21 <tmzt> omap3 based?
Jun 18 12:18:08 <atlanta> @tmzt which?
Jun 18 12:18:11 <atlanta> pre is
Jun 18 12:19:01 <atlanta> brb
Jun 18 12:19:23 <tmzt> n97
Jun 18 12:21:08 <atlanta> Ok back
Jun 18 12:21:43 <atlanta> I think they were talkin about it still using ARM11
Jun 18 12:21:44 <atlanta> one
Jun 18 12:22:07 <atlanta> running at like 400Mhz
Jun 18 12:23:22 <Filefly> rwhitby: are you here?
Jun 18 12:25:18 <atlanta> He's idle
Jun 18 12:26:05 <Filefly> I suppose I could've checked that :P Thanks
Jun 18 12:26:14 <atlanta> lol np
Jun 18 12:26:18 <atlanta> Needed somethign
Jun 18 12:26:20 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:26:48 <Filefly> No, he was just telling people to talk to me about novaproxy, and I'm writing up a wiki page
Jun 18 12:27:19 <oc80z> retry any luck?
Jun 18 12:27:58 <atlanta> interesting
Jun 18 12:28:10 <atlanta> thats using root without wifi righ
Jun 18 12:28:26 <Filefly> novaproxy is an alternate method to talk.py
Jun 18 12:28:34 <Filefly> which doesn't work for a lot of people, including me
Jun 18 12:28:35 <atlanta> oh ok
Jun 18 12:28:46 <Filefly> and the wiki says you can try it but doesn't give directions
Jun 18 12:28:46 <atlanta> oh no what problem are you having
Jun 18 12:28:47 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:29:08 <Filefly> basically, talk.py would run but then telnet wouldn't connect no matter what i did
Jun 18 12:29:12 <atlanta> @oc80z  wsup
Jun 18 12:29:43 <oc80z> hey whats great
Jun 18 12:29:50 <atlanta> Doesn't novaproxy interface with the usb and gives it network info
Jun 18 12:30:01 <atlanta> @oc80z aint sh*t chilling
Jun 18 12:30:21 <oc80z> Filefly: check your telnet settings
Jun 18 12:30:49 <Filefly> oc80z: I have, I got the thing rooted with novaproxy, so I'm gonna write up my directions
Jun 18 12:31:06 <atlanta> @Filefly i thought it didnt work for you
Jun 18 12:31:06 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 12:31:07 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:31:15 <Filefly> talk.py didn't
Jun 18 12:31:18 <Filefly> novaproxy did
Jun 18 12:31:19 <atlanta> oh ok
Jun 18 12:31:26 <atlanta> you confused me
Jun 18 12:31:26 <Filefly> :)
Jun 18 12:31:26 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 12:31:30 <Filefly> I do that
Jun 18 12:31:40 <atlanta> Don't need wifi with novaproxy rigth
Jun 18 12:31:41 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:31:51 <Filefly> You do it the same way
Jun 18 12:32:02 <Filefly> I don't think we have a direct serial connection yet
Jun 18 12:32:06 <atlanta> oh ok i thought u didnt need wifi it used the usb
Jun 18 12:32:13 <atlanta> or something
Jun 18 12:32:23 <Filefly> As far as I can tell, the steps are the same
Jun 18 12:32:24 <atlanta> Hows the write up coming
Jun 18 12:33:00 <Filefly> You just have to telnet locally instead of directly to the pre
Jun 18 12:33:12 <Filefly> which as of right now, nothing explains how to do
Jun 18 12:33:29 <atlanta> what u mean telnet locally
Jun 18 12:33:36 <Filefly> instead of doing like
Jun 18 12:33:43 <Filefly> telnet 192.168.1.123
Jun 18 12:33:43 <atlanta> telnet to 127.0.0.1
Jun 18 12:33:44 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:33:51 <Filefly> you do telnet localhost 8023
Jun 18 12:33:58 <atlanta> yea then you dont need wifi
Jun 18 12:34:11 <atlanta> novaproxy routes the usb connection to a local port
Jun 18 12:34:14 <Filefly> ...
Jun 18 12:34:19 <Filefly> this man has a point
Jun 18 12:34:24 <oc80z> heh
Jun 18 12:34:27 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 12:34:38 <Filefly> :P
Jun 18 12:34:56 <atlanta> i just skimmed over it now didnt use it because have wifi but might try it at work
Jun 18 12:37:21 <oc80z> has anyone created boot from PalmPre yet
Jun 18 12:37:33 <atlanta> @oc80z what do u mean
Jun 18 12:38:11 <oc80z> u know, like a rescue OS
Jun 18 12:38:32 <oc80z> plug in your palmpre to someones computer and reinstall or etc..
Jun 18 12:38:37 <oc80z> or hack
Jun 18 12:38:39 <oc80z> *shrug*
Jun 18 12:38:39 <atlanta> Oh ok gotcha lol
Jun 18 12:38:41 <atlanta> nope
Jun 18 12:38:54 <oc80z> should be easy
Jun 18 12:38:55 <atlanta> oh just need a real shell on the phone
Jun 18 12:38:57 <atlanta> and its a  wrap
Jun 18 12:39:11 <atlanta> start air hacking wireless networks
Jun 18 12:39:11 <atlanta>  lo
Jun 18 12:39:57 <Filefly> whoa,
Jun 18 12:40:01 <oc80z> yea Filefly
Jun 18 12:40:10 <Filefly> i bet it'd run airsnort
Jun 18 12:40:24 <oc80z> u think its prism
Jun 18 12:40:32 <oc80z> burn the cpu up
Jun 18 12:40:34 <Filefly> i don't know what chipset it is
Jun 18 12:40:37 <Filefly> but someone does :D
Jun 18 12:40:44 <oc80z> i wouldent recomend that
Jun 18 12:40:44 <Filefly> heh yeah
Jun 18 12:40:52 <Filefly> it may asplode
Jun 18 12:40:59 <oc80z> and that wep technique requires atleast 2 laptops
Jun 18 12:41:17 <oc80z> what you want
Jun 18 12:41:32 <oc80z> is wireshark equiv.
Jun 18 12:41:42 <oc80z> that would run perfect
Jun 18 12:42:01 <oc80z> for snatching DNS requests at starbucks etc..
Jun 18 12:42:53 <atlanta> heheh that would work
Jun 18 12:43:29 <oc80z> need to take out the alerts for 'do you want to connect to wifi'
Jun 18 12:43:32 <atlanta> anybody ever tried sniffing open ap for plain text
Jun 18 12:43:33 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:43:40 <oc80z> and the 'gmail user is offline, u sure you want to send'
Jun 18 12:43:52 <atlanta> you want that taken out
Jun 18 12:43:52 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:43:54 <oc80z> atlanta it doesnet have to be open
Jun 18 12:43:55 <oc80z> yeah
Jun 18 12:44:01 <atlanta> or you doing it now
Jun 18 12:44:05 <oc80z> i want to
Jun 18 12:44:07 <oc80z> *shrug*
Jun 18 12:44:10 <oc80z> im leaving soon
Jun 18 12:44:26 <rose32> and what about the battery duration?
Jun 18 12:44:30 <tmzt> it's libertas
Jun 18 12:44:34 <oc80z> that battery thing i was buggn out about is prolly just dropbear , says /var/log/messages
Jun 18 12:44:37 <oc80z> wakeing up on modem..
Jun 18 12:44:54 <rose32> I mean.. how many time can be used?
Jun 18 12:45:02 <rose32> with a normal use
Jun 18 12:46:05 <oc80z> what
Jun 18 12:46:29 <tmzt> how long?
Jun 18 12:46:35 <tmzt> or how many discharges
Jun 18 12:46:40 <atlanta> @oc80z i found the lines
Jun 18 12:46:45 <atlanta> for the user offline
Jun 18 12:47:11 <rose32> tmzt: how long
Jun 18 12:47:38 <oc80z> i can just ; them?
Jun 18 12:47:56 <oc80z> did you pull the entire code off the device to edit it
Jun 18 12:48:14 <oc80z> i take it thats wahts everyone doing to track changes?
Jun 18 12:48:22 <atlanta> yea i have tars of almost everything
Jun 18 12:48:27 <atlanta> app wise
Jun 18 12:48:53 <atlanta> \usr\Palm\com.palm.app.messaging\app\controllers\chatview-assistant.js
Jun 18 12:49:07 <atlanta> line 173
Jun 18 12:49:11 <atlanta> 1730**
Jun 18 12:49:55 <atlanta> I dunno why we used wikidot
Jun 18 12:50:07 <oc80z> because we publish
Jun 18 12:50:10 <atlanta> we should have just used own domain and wiki software
Jun 18 12:50:30 <atlanta> Ugly looking
Jun 18 12:50:32 <oc80z> wikidot may have lawyers
Jun 18 12:50:34 <Filefly> I know
Jun 18 12:50:40 <oc80z> and locked cabinets
Jun 18 12:50:45 <Filefly> we need drupal or something ;)
Jun 18 12:50:56 <atlanta> wikidot having lawyers lol
Jun 18 12:51:16 <atlanta> We should just get http://www.mediawiki.org/ and host it offshore
Jun 18 12:51:27 <atlanta> but oh well
Jun 18 12:51:31 <oc80z> softlayer.com
Jun 18 12:51:56 <oc80z> they run the devsite
Jun 18 12:51:56 <atlanta> what about softlayer
Jun 18 12:51:57 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 12:52:03 <oc80z> and they are on freenode too
Jun 18 12:52:09 <oc80z> #wikidot
Jun 18 12:52:23 <atlanta> i know they run the dev site
Jun 18 12:52:33 <atlanta> i guess
Jun 18 12:52:37 <atlanta> they should have better themes
Jun 18 12:52:43 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 12:53:01 <oc80z> its a -very- open site
Jun 18 12:53:37 <atlanta> that cool i guess , guess itsbecause im not use to them
Jun 18 12:54:34 <oc80z> bbl man
Jun 18 12:56:37 <atlanta> ok ttyl
Jun 18 13:07:27 <Kyusaku> Is it possible for someone to figure out certain unreleased APIs from a rooted Pre?
Jun 18 13:08:51 <tmzt> maybe
Jun 18 13:08:57 <tmzt> c apis?
Jun 18 13:13:40 <Kyusaku> Well, I mentioned something about adding photo integration to Pre twitter clients and one of the developers said it wasn't part of the API yet. But since Email has no problems attaching photos to emails I'm wondering if it's just unreleased.
Jun 18 13:24:28 <CreoBrian> Anyone free to answer a question about Root Access / Telnet?
Jun 18 13:25:32 <Filefly> CreoBrian: what's up?
Jun 18 13:27:15 <CreoBrian> Yesterday I followed the instructions on the Wiki to gain root access. I was successful. I then followed the directions to setup optware and openssh. This was also successful. At the very end of the process,
Jun 18 13:27:41 <CreoBrian> it told me to re-mount the file system as read only. I obediently complied. Then it told me to reboot my phone.
Jun 18 13:27:47 <Filefly> Right
Jun 18 13:27:55 <CreoBrian> I did so. When it came up, I no longer had telnet or SSH access
Jun 18 13:28:04 <Filefly> Is the wifi on?
Jun 18 13:28:06 <CreoBrian> its almost as though I was back to square zero
Jun 18 13:28:08 <CreoBrian> yes
Jun 18 13:29:01 <Filefly> and you're sure that a) you made the script to run openssh/dropbear for you,
Jun 18 13:29:12 <Filefly> and b) you're trying to ssh to port 222?
Jun 18 13:29:14 <CreoBrian> yes. It was all working until I rebooted my phone.
Jun 18 13:29:37 <CreoBrian> I'd still like to be able to telnet as well.
Jun 18 13:29:42 <Filefly> right, that's why I'm wondering if it's not running the daemon
Jun 18 13:30:01 <CreoBrian> possible. But shouldn't I at least be able to telnet in?
Jun 18 13:30:24 <Filefly> That talk.py script opens the firewall
Jun 18 13:30:32 <Filefly> so you're allowed to telnet
Jun 18 13:30:55 <Filefly> If you don't have ssh working, once you reboot, telnet won't work until you do talk.py (or novaproxy) again
Jun 18 13:31:16 <CreoBrian> Right.. its making sense now.. no point in setting up SSH if you can always just telnet in..
Jun 18 13:31:28 <Rick_> morning
Jun 18 13:31:43 <Filefly> CreoBrian: right
Jun 18 13:31:46 <Filefly> hey Rick_
Jun 18 13:32:59 <CreoBrian> OK. So then regarding the daemon not running.. I noticed while perusing the optware-openssh setup script, to enable EVDO access, the default options mentioned somehting about NOT running as a daemon..
Jun 18 13:33:20 <CreoBrian> It raised an eyebrow, but the instructions said nothing about removing this option from what I could tell
Jun 18 13:33:25 <CreoBrian> maybe that was the culprit?
Jun 18 13:33:55 <Filefly> Is there a reason you're using openssh and not dropbear?
Jun 18 13:34:02 <Filefly> They both work, but dropbear is a bit simpler
Jun 18 13:34:12 <CreoBrian> I have experience with openssh and zero with dropbear... better the devil you know
Jun 18 13:34:23 <Filefly> Okay
Jun 18 13:34:42 <CreoBrian> "know" may be the wrong word.. ;)
Jun 18 13:34:51 <CreoBrian> "have heard of"
Jun 18 13:35:39 <Filefly> yeah, I've used openssh quite a bit but I found dropbear to be much simpler
Jun 18 13:37:11 <CreoBrian> So.. when I ran "initctl start optware-openssh" it used the "optware-openssh" script that I modified. Can I just re-run that command and take out the "don't start the daemon" option?
Jun 18 13:37:18 <CreoBrian> or is that different?
Jun 18 13:37:31 <atlanta> Hey im back
Jun 18 13:37:49 <Filefly> Right here is where I start to risk giving answers that might screw up your phone, so I'm gonna leave this for someone else :P
Jun 18 13:38:00 <atlanta> What was the questin
Jun 18 13:38:01 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 13:38:50 <CreoBrian> I enabled root access on Pre yesterday,
Jun 18 13:39:00 <atlanta> Ok
Jun 18 13:39:04 <CreoBrian> and ran through the Optware setup guide on wiki,
Jun 18 13:39:18 <CreoBrian> and everything was spiffy! but when I restarted my phone, no more SSH access
Jun 18 13:39:32 <CreoBrian> We suspect the daemon didn't start
Jun 18 13:39:39 <atlanta> Made sure u had the iptables commands in there
Jun 18 13:39:40 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 13:40:02 <CreoBrian> I followed the guide 100%, and everything was working 100%. I was very careful. :)
Jun 18 13:40:20 <CreoBrian> (working, until I rebooted phone i mean)
Jun 18 13:40:53 <atlanta> Same thing happen to me i havent looked into it yet
Jun 18 13:41:01 <nebula1> what interface are you trying to ssh into? what port?
Jun 18 13:41:03 <atlanta> connect usb and get telnet going again
Jun 18 13:41:07 <atlanta> and see is it running
Jun 18 13:41:23 <CreoBrian> openssh, 222
Jun 18 13:41:41 <nebula1> what network interface are you trying to connect to
Jun 18 13:41:48 <nebula1> eth0? ppp0?
Jun 18 13:41:54 <nebula1> wireless? evdo?
Jun 18 13:41:56 <CreoBrian> oh. ppp0 for evdo.
Jun 18 13:42:01 <atlanta> oh
Jun 18 13:42:04 <atlanta> iptables
Jun 18 13:42:05 <atlanta> are set
Jun 18 13:42:08 <atlanta> only for eth0
Jun 18 13:42:11 <atlanta> unless you change them
Jun 18 13:42:12 <nebula1> :-D
Jun 18 13:42:15 <CreoBrian> I promise it was working
Jun 18 13:42:16 <CreoBrian> :)
Jun 18 13:42:20 <atlanta> over wifi
Jun 18 13:42:20 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 13:42:22 <atlanta> or evdo
Jun 18 13:42:23 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 13:42:29 <CreoBrian> I SSH'd to the ppp0 address
Jun 18 13:42:34 <CreoBrian> and was in and happy
Jun 18 13:42:39 <CreoBrian> til I rebooted.
Jun 18 13:42:40 <atlanta> did your ppp0 change
Jun 18 13:42:40 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 13:42:44 <Filefly> ^
Jun 18 13:42:45 <atlanta> it tends to change often
Jun 18 13:42:49 <CreoBrian> um.
Jun 18 13:42:55 <atlanta> cmyip.com
Jun 18 13:42:56 <atlanta> it
Jun 18 13:43:02 <CreoBrian> um.
Jun 18 13:43:10 <Filefly> :)
Jun 18 13:43:15 <Filefly> in the phone's browser
Jun 18 13:43:18 <Filefly> check your ip
Jun 18 13:43:27 <Filefly> with wifi off, i guess
Jun 18 13:43:28 <atlanta> Opps i should have been more specific
Jun 18 13:43:29 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 13:43:59 <CreoBrian> how do i check the browser ip? i can get the wifi ip but obviously that doesnt help here heh
Jun 18 13:44:07 <bpadalino|work> you can get the EVDO IP using ##debug# i am pretty sure
Jun 18 13:44:16 <nebula1> shut off wifi, load www.whatsmyip.org
Jun 18 13:44:24 <nebula1> it will show you the ip
Jun 18 13:45:29 <CreoBrian> Debug gives me the evdo subnet but not ip. good point nebula.
Jun 18 13:45:44 <atlanta> @CreoBrian
Jun 18 13:45:47 <atlanta> turn off wifi
Jun 18 13:45:52 <atlanta> open web on the phone
Jun 18 13:45:59 <atlanta> go to cmyip.com or whatsmyip.org
Jun 18 13:46:03 <atlanta> it will give u the ip
Jun 18 13:46:04 <atlanta> brb
Jun 18 13:46:13 <CreoBrian> *nod* am doing.
Jun 18 13:47:17 <bpadalino|work> CreoBrian, so in debug when it says "Data session Curr. IP Addr" - that's NOT the EVDO IP address ?
Jun 18 13:47:31 <Rick_> it absolutely is the evdo ip address
Jun 18 13:48:06 <bpadalino|work> rumors and hearsay
Jun 18 13:48:27 <Rick_> but unless there's some massive reason to do so, you're FAR better off going in through wifi, since the evdo is often laggy, and the ip changes rather a lot
Jun 18 13:49:02 <Rick_> or, you can use novacom and go in over the USB, but wifi is really really simpler.
Jun 18 13:49:44 <CreoBrian> so I've turned wifi back on, and I'm trying to SSH into the wifi IP
Jun 18 13:51:02 <CreoBrian> (using putty) -- connecting is timing out still
Jun 18 13:52:42 <atlanta> Ok back
Jun 18 13:52:56 <atlanta> @CreoBrian telnet in
Jun 18 13:53:03 <atlanta> and do iptables -L
Jun 18 13:53:09 <bpadalino|work> CreoBrian, is it plugged in via usb ?
Jun 18 13:53:11 <atlanta> and pastebin what it give you
Jun 18 13:53:18 <bpadalino|work> CreoBrian, if not - is the screen turned ON when you are trying ?
Jun 18 13:53:57 <CreoBrian> Actually yeah. I see whats happening. The screen turns off after a few seconds and when it does, the WiFi checks out
Jun 18 13:54:18 <atlanta> LOLLL
Jun 18 13:54:25 <bpadalino|work> right - if the phone is not in use (eg, playing music or some other activity) - the radios basically all turn off and it goes into a deep sleep mode
Jun 18 13:54:27 <atlanta> yea you either have to play music or something
Jun 18 13:54:44 <bpadalino|work> play music, or plug it in over usb - or charge it in some fashion (touchstone works too i believe)
Jun 18 13:54:48 <atlanta> yea and then the phone starts up all the daemons again
Jun 18 13:54:51 <CreoBrian> haha.. play music to keep the phone alive.. i like it
Jun 18 13:54:57 <CreoBrian> but yeah charging makes sense
Jun 18 13:55:13 <bpadalino|work> someone should put that on the wiki as a NOTE:
Jun 18 13:55:18 <bpadalino|work> if you are receiving timeouts, make sure ...
Jun 18 13:55:25 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 13:55:28 <atlanta> time to edit
Jun 18 13:55:28 <Filefly> Make sure you play Queen - Keep Yourself Alive
Jun 18 13:55:32 <Filefly> it works best
Jun 18 13:55:35 <CreoBrian> serious :) that'd be nice for us less-initiated folk
Jun 18 13:55:43 <atlanta> Ok ill edit it now
Jun 18 13:55:45 <atlanta> one second
Jun 18 13:56:15 <bpadalino|work> filefly, i hear when the forced updated go out - i hear Europe's "The Final Countdown" plays
Jun 18 13:56:23 <Filefly> Indeed
Jun 18 13:56:26 <CreoBrian> "The music of Queen has a reassuring effect on your wifi connection"
Jun 18 13:56:26 <bpadalino|work> but it's just rumors and hearsay
Jun 18 13:56:31 <Filefly> :P
Jun 18 13:58:19 <Rick_> Since PALM EMPLOYEES chat in here most every day, and since there has never been a HINT from them that palm doesn't approve of root, I'm not sure why the various bloggers are so convinced that Palm will shut us down.  Palm isn't apple.
Jun 18 13:59:29 <msw> (thank god)
Jun 18 13:59:46 <bpadalino|work> rick, keep your friends close - but your enemies closer
Jun 18 14:00:00 <CreoBrian> Rick: I've wondered about that. Its like Palm has decided to happily look the other way. I figure if they can't release the SDK OR even communicate with their own dev community, and prefer to leave us in the dark, its the least they can do heh
Jun 18 14:00:01 <bpadalino|work> they're getting ready to stab us in the back
Jun 18 14:00:26 <mikewx> just to play devil's advocate, the employees can liek us, but unless you see Jon Rubinstein in here saying he likes us it doesn't really matter
Jun 18 14:00:41 <acksez> how do you go into the proxy settings
Jun 18 14:00:46 <acksez> in the phone browser?
Jun 18 14:00:51 <acksez> i cant figure that out
Jun 18 14:00:58 <raindog469> yeah, thinking i'm gonna have to suck it up and find a windows machine to root my pre before they force an update out to remove the backdoor
Jun 18 14:01:13 <bpadalino|work> the phone has proxy settings for the browser ? i've never tried that
Jun 18 14:01:24 <acksez> well
Jun 18 14:01:37 <acksez> instructions say change procy setinngs to localhost
Jun 18 14:01:44 <acksez> where do you do that?
Jun 18 14:01:50 <acksez> on your browser?
Jun 18 14:01:51 <Filefly> what instructions?
Jun 18 14:02:02 <mikewx> instructions say use novaproxy and connect to localhost using putty
Jun 18 14:02:06 <CreoBrian> MikeWX: Its a good point, but the apparent attitude with which Palm approached the Wiki folks about the tethering issue "We just want to let you know that Sprint might complain and we'd be forced to act" suggests they're trying to be nice for as long as possible.
Jun 18 14:03:02 <mikewx> CreoBrian: amen, and that's awesome. I was just playing devil's advocate. i've worked at many a place that the employees were decent folk but management had a different view. when it comes down to your view or your job, you implement.
Jun 18 14:03:42 <CreoBrian> I hear ya. Of course from Palm's perspective as a hardware company, anything the homebrew community achieves just makes other people want to buy Palm Pre's.
Jun 18 14:03:51 <CreoBrian> But they have to keep Sprint happy too of course.
Jun 18 14:03:55 <mikewx> yep
Jun 18 14:04:06 <mikewx> sprint and palm been in bed for a long time..
Jun 18 14:04:35 <mikewx> and you know how old married couples are :)
Jun 18 14:05:14 <mtkatwork> so the pre web browser automatically proxies through the sprint proxy setup?
Jun 18 14:05:20 <mtkatwork> just like the treo did?
Jun 18 14:05:25 <CreoBrian> anything THANKS to all you Geniuses for all the assistance. I'm a pretty smart dude but you people make me feel like a complete moron (in a good way). ;)
Jun 18 14:10:50 <nebula1> stop stealing my packets!
Jun 18 14:13:07 <summatusmentis> but your packets are better than mine
Jun 18 14:27:53 <jclusso> hey
Jun 18 14:28:15 <jclusso> anyone know where the USB Mode question thing is (Media , USB, Justr Charge)
Jun 18 14:28:47 <Filefly> when you plug in the phone
Jun 18 14:28:49 <Filefly> it asks
Jun 18 14:33:16 <bpadalino|work> jclusso, you mean where in the filesystem that page is generated ?
Jun 18 14:37:54 <czarphanguye> Wish GNUMP3d worked on the pre.  anyone else streaming music
Jun 18 14:39:32 <psykoz> it only seems to stream mp3 files from websites ;(
Jun 18 14:39:58 <jclusso> yes
Jun 18 14:40:06 <jclusso> I want to edit it so it defaults to Just Charge
Jun 18 14:40:16 <jclusso> cause its stupid and if you dont select just charge it wont charge
Jun 18 14:40:21 <jclusso> it will just sit there and do nothing
Jun 18 14:40:29 <jclusso> also has anyone tried the game emulators
Jun 18 14:41:24 <bpadalino|work> i am pretty sure mine still charges
Jun 18 14:41:33 <bpadalino|work> if i don't choose anything
Jun 18 14:42:30 <mtkatwork> would be better to make it automatically charge when the prompt is up so that 'just charge' would be a no-op.  and anything else would turn off charging.
Jun 18 14:42:51 <jclusso> well i think it just should default to just charge
Jun 18 14:42:55 <jclusso> than if you want usb or media
Jun 18 14:43:04 <jclusso> you just click the notifications area and select it from there
Jun 18 14:43:20 <jclusso> also has anyone tried the emulator for ps1,2,3 nes, and all that shit
Jun 18 14:43:27 <mtkatwork> that would work for me too
Jun 18 14:43:33 <bpadalino|work> there's a ps3 emulator? that sounds terrible
Jun 18 14:51:14 <djk> any idea why I have to run the root process again after having access?
Jun 18 14:52:32 <bpadalino|work> djk, i don't understand the question ?
Jun 18 14:53:18 <djk> I had root and done the ssh package. It was working but no is not open on 222
Jun 18 14:54:04 <bpadalino|work> djk, interesting - should still be working if it was working before
Jun 18 14:54:18 <djk> I have stopped and started wifi and it has been a couple of days since I last connected. seems odd
Jun 18 14:55:09 <bpadalino|work> very odd
Jun 18 14:57:06 <djk> I'll try reboot and see if it comes back
Jun 18 14:57:32 <bpadalino|work> shouldn't need a reboot
Jun 18 14:58:04 <tmzt> bpadalino|work: we found some interesting sthings about the no input problem
Jun 18 14:58:20 <djk> anyone know if it is possible to have the ringer switch be a full mute? I hate being in a "library" like place and have an app start making loud noises
Jun 18 14:58:22 <bpadalino|work> tmzt, oh yeah ?
Jun 18 14:58:33 <tmzt> hidd, the webos input daemon (not bluez) died because of remounting /tmp
Jun 18 14:58:51 <bpadalino|work> interesting
Jun 18 15:04:39 <djk> bpadalino|work: oddly the reboot opened it up again
Jun 18 15:05:32 <bpadalino|work> very strange
Jun 18 15:05:42 <djk> agree
Jun 18 15:05:59 <bpadalino|work> openssh or dropbear ?
Jun 18 15:07:19 <djk> I think dropbear did the package install
Jun 18 15:08:16 <bpadalino|work> i wonder if db just got in a bad state
Jun 18 15:08:48 <djk> maybe, wonder if my google contact will update with the missing entry
Jun 18 15:10:51 <djk> bummer no luck on that
Jun 18 15:12:10 <phillipah> has anyone figured out why facebook contacts dont update
Jun 18 15:13:57 <benklop_> any major(ish) new discoveries in the last few days?
Jun 18 15:14:29 <benklop_> since the 16th?
Jun 18 15:18:30 <nebula1> benklop_: found some register settings for a2dp
Jun 18 15:18:37 <nebula1> see ./a2dp
Jun 18 15:19:28 <atlanta> ok back in action
Jun 18 15:20:59 <dreadchicken> phillipah, once i uninstalled Flight View and Where, they updated.   i've since re-installed them, assuming the new versions fix this issue.
Jun 18 15:21:08 <dreadchicken> ^ update took ~24hrs.
Jun 18 15:22:47 <nebula1> hah, lunasysmgr just crashed by trying to load duke nukem in classic
Jun 18 15:22:59 <nebula1> good times
Jun 18 15:23:30 <benklop_> nebula1: neato
Jun 18 15:24:21 <benklop_> is thre a list anywhre of what standard linux utilities webOS includes, or maybe what it lacks?
Jun 18 15:24:45 <benklop_> i'm downloading the image to take a look since i havn't got a device
Jun 18 15:27:01 <dreadchicken> it has rsync, cron, vi, awk and sed and we added ssh...what else could you need? :)
Jun 18 15:27:12 <mtkatwork> emacs
Jun 18 15:27:14 <mtkatwork> just kidding
Jun 18 15:27:44 <atlanta> type busybox in the bash
Jun 18 15:27:55 <atlanta> it will give you the list of busybox programs that are there
Jun 18 15:28:16 <benklop_> dreadchicken: yeah, really.
Jun 18 15:28:23 <benklop_> does it have python by default?
Jun 18 15:30:02 <benklop_> and is it actually a busybox shell, or does it run a full gnu environment?
Jun 18 15:30:18 <bdumm> its busybox
Jun 18 15:30:20 <bdumm> limited
Jun 18 15:30:45 <bdumm> ls won't even give me color :)
Jun 18 15:30:53 <benklop_> oh no...
Jun 18 15:30:55 <benklop_> :-P
Jun 18 15:30:58 <benklop_> :)
Jun 18 15:31:06 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 15:31:32 <dreadchicken> benklop_, no python, php or perl.
Jun 18 15:31:39 <benklop_> I'm writing an article from what i've gleaned from the wiki and this channel on what webos is.
Jun 18 15:31:48 <benklop_> can that stuff be added pretty easily?
Jun 18 15:31:56 <bdumm> sure
Jun 18 15:32:15 <benklop_> and i know it has ipkg, is that how you get ssh in there?
Jun 18 15:32:17 <dreadchicken> ipkg-opt install <python|perl|php>
Jun 18 15:32:18 <bdumm> folks here have 1700~ packages for the Pre avail
Jun 18 15:32:46 <bdumm> you can always build by source either cross-compile or on the device itself, although many think those whole compile on the device are crazy....
Jun 18 15:33:03 <nebula1> someone needs to write a wikidoc on cross compiling
Jun 18 15:33:08 <nebula1> this is getting painful :)
Jun 18 15:33:10 <benklop_> it includes gcc and friends? or installed with ipkg?
Jun 18 15:33:20 <bdumm> nebula1, really i don't think we should
Jun 18 15:33:30 <bdumm> we are not trying to train folks to be linux folks are we?
Jun 18 15:33:40 <nebula1> then atleast point somewhere
Jun 18 15:33:47 <bdumm> yea i agree there
Jun 18 15:34:03 <benklop_> bdumm: would that be a unfortunate side effect?
Jun 18 15:34:10 <bdumm> nebula1, install gcc on the pre :)
Jun 18 15:34:20 <bdumm> benklop_, that = ?
Jun 18 15:34:32 <bdumm> devevloping on the device itself?
Jun 18 15:34:34 <nebula1> bdumm: i do all my compiling on the pre and it's painful, thats why i want to know how to cross compile
Jun 18 15:34:35 <benklop_> oh, training people to be linux folks
Jun 18 15:35:10 <bdumm> benklop_, no nothing like that at all, just cross-compiling or compiling in general is not something most newbies just pick up
Jun 18 15:35:24 <bdumm> cross-compiling can be a royal pita if you don't know what your doing
Jun 18 15:36:06 <mtkatwork> i would pay good money for something which explained how to develop for the embedded pre environment assuming ii knew linux well already
Jun 18 15:36:06 <benklop_> bdumm: seriously. I'm not sure if gentoo has reduced or increased my pain for pretty much that reason
Jun 18 15:36:17 <bdumm> nebula1, cross-compiling isn't hard, just gotta be "right" with your setup/packages otherwise you wind up with crap that won't build or doesn't have the right packages you wanted etc
Jun 18 15:36:52 <bdumm> benklop_, i think gentoo is a bad hack, but that entirely imho :)
Jun 18 15:37:48 <benklop_> bdumm: i'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but it happens to be a bad hack that makes it easier to develop and install apps without keeping too many things out side of the package manager
Jun 18 15:37:58 <nebula1> bdumm: hence my needing a reference, i've never done it ;)
Jun 18 15:38:13 <nebula1> i'm sure doing it once is all it will take to learn
Jun 18 15:38:13 <benklop_> bdumm: and also makes very customized systems simpler
Jun 18 15:38:24 <bdumm> benklop_, it has some nicities, but overall i'd rather go with another distro
Jun 18 15:38:26 <Lurking_Grue> emerge --sync
Jun 18 15:38:31 <bdumm> then ago i don't use any distros...
Jun 18 15:38:36 <bdumm> err again
Jun 18 15:38:41 <bdumm> man tired this morning :)
Jun 18 15:39:01 <bdumm> nebula1, one sec let me see what i can find
Jun 18 15:39:09 <nebula1> k
Jun 18 15:39:55 <bdumm> nebula1, http://cross-lfs.org/files/BOOK/1.1.0/CLFS-1.1.0-x86.html
Jun 18 15:40:04 <bdumm> there ya go, how to cross-compile a LFS
Jun 18 15:40:16 <bdumm> should give ya enough details to be dangerous on your own
Jun 18 15:40:50 <bdumm> not that i agree with all their methods/instructions, but it should be plenty to get ya started...
Jun 18 15:41:34 <benklop_> if you change the root password, any idea whether that will stick around after Palm does an update?
Jun 18 15:41:36 <bdumm> benklop_, so what is webos so far?
Jun 18 15:41:53 <bdumm> benklop_, after Palm does an update I suspect many things will stick about
Jun 18 15:42:28 <nebula1> bdumm: thx
Jun 18 15:42:54 <benklop_> bdumm: i'm still figuring that out :) it's very cool though, hackable ,friendly, like what android should have been meets what the iPhone could be
Jun 18 15:43:04 <bdumm> benklop_, i think all the hot air about the palm update is just that hot air
Jun 18 15:43:37 <bdumm> i dunno if either coulda been the Pre, Apple is way too paranoid/lock-down for their own good, and android isn't even Linux really
Jun 18 15:43:49 <bdumm> oh wait yes its linux, but ah nm :)
Jun 18 15:43:52 <benklop_> bdumm: i'm just wondering whether the update will try to get in to do it's thing expecting the password to be blank, then wehen it can't get in, error out and wipe the thing
Jun 18 15:44:27 <benklop_> bdumm: android is Linux, pre is gnu/linux?
Jun 18 15:44:28 <bdumm> ummm i don't think that is how it works, ie there are daemons like umm
Jun 18 15:44:33 <mtkatwork> @bdumm: cool!
Jun 18 15:44:40 <bdumm> android is linux kernel + java crap
Jun 18 15:44:51 <bdumm> you can call it linux if you want
Jun 18 15:44:59 <benklop_> well the kernel is
Jun 18 15:45:45 <bdumm> /usr/bin/UpdateDaemon
Jun 18 15:45:54 <bdumm> which i think may have something to do with updates
Jun 18 15:45:58 <benklop_> which is why there has always bewen the gnu/linux debate. since what most people see as Linux is really the GNU implementation of a Unix user space
Jun 18 15:45:58 <summatusmentis> there's no linux userspace in android?
Jun 18 15:46:04 <bdumm> benklop_, the kernel doth not an OS make
Jun 18 15:47:28 <benklop_> bdumm: indeed. which is why the Pre excites me. it uses an OS that is extremely familiar, but in a dynamite package and with all the extensions to make it great
Jun 18 15:47:56 <benklop_> at least as far as I have read...
Jun 18 15:48:22 <benklop_> anyway, I'm hoping someone here can take a look over what i've got for accuracy once i'm through.
Jun 18 15:48:23 <bdumm> benklop_, and its more or less true in all shapes, ie "have fun" is the motto from Palm and well we are having lots of fun
Jun 18 15:48:46 <bdumm> sure, shoot us a uri i am sure the peanut gallery here will have a field day lol
Jun 18 15:50:04 <bdumm> benklop_, who you writing for?
Jun 18 15:50:46 <benklop_> bdumm: just myself, my own blog. wish it was more, but hey, i am what I am
Jun 18 15:51:16 <bdumm> no worries all press is good press :)
Jun 18 15:56:05 * bdumm waves
Jun 18 15:56:19 <bdumm> hemna, any of those cross-scenes or whatever they are help?
Jun 18 15:57:17 <hemna> ?
Jun 18 15:59:05 <bdumm> cross-app launch sorry
Jun 18 15:59:09 <bdumm> not cross scene
Jun 18 15:59:12 <jerms> anyone worried about their screen wear-and-tear
Jun 18 15:59:36 <d3sm0nd> hey guys
Jun 18 15:59:40 <summatusmentis> hi
Jun 18 15:59:44 <atlanta> wsuppp
Jun 18 15:59:44 <d3sm0nd> still no qemu emulation/sdk out?
Jun 18 15:59:48 <d3sm0nd> ;x
Jun 18 15:59:49 <atlanta> @summatusmentis wsup guy
Jun 18 16:00:03 <atlanta> HEEHEHEEE question is .pkg for mac?
Jun 18 16:00:07 <summatusmentis> atlanta: nothing worthwhile :)
Jun 18 16:00:11 <summatusmentis> .pkg is for mac, yes
Jun 18 16:00:16 <summatusmentis> it's an installer
Jun 18 16:00:24 <summatusmentis> d3sm0nd: nope
Jun 18 16:00:33 <summatusmentis> I'm sure you'll hear about it when it happens
Jun 18 16:00:38 <d3sm0nd> :)
Jun 18 16:01:17 <hemna> I'll try and throw together a quick wiki page on samba and mediatomb today
Jun 18 16:01:30 <hemna> samba sure is handy for developing apps
Jun 18 16:02:06 <summatusmentis> you have samba running? people will love you
Jun 18 16:15:14 <hemna> summatusmentis, yes
Jun 18 16:15:33 <summatusmentis> cool :0
Jun 18 16:15:35 <summatusmentis> :) *
Jun 18 16:15:50 <hemna> I can see a need for WebOS apps to start/stop linux services such as samba and mediatomb, etc
Jun 18 16:15:58 <hemna> so you don't have to ssh into the box to do it manually
Jun 18 16:16:26 <hemna> mediatomb rocks on the Pre
Jun 18 16:16:34 <hemna> snap a pict....watch it show up on your tv
Jun 18 16:17:46 <summatusmentis> Yeah, we need to figure out how to get system commands to start in a mojo app
Jun 18 16:21:58 <hemna> or just exec a shell command from js would be sufficient
Jun 18 16:23:07 <summatusmentis> well, right
Jun 18 16:23:14 <summatusmentis> but as I understand it, that's not possible
Jun 18 16:23:22 <summatusmentis> because it all goes through the js interpreter
Jun 18 16:28:36 <bsiegel> Still working on that - sadly progress is slow due to having a lot of real work I have to do at work :p
Jun 18 16:28:53 <bsiegel> And not being able to test anything on the pre until I get home
Jun 18 16:29:12 <summatusmentis> stop having a job, seriously
Jun 18 16:29:20 <summatusmentis> :-P
Jun 18 16:30:15 <benklop> bdumm: http://intellilinux.info/webos
Jun 18 16:30:17 <benklop> and for everyone else interested
Jun 18 16:30:26 <benklop> i'd like you guys to make sure i'm not totally off somewhere
Jun 18 16:31:18 <summatusmentis> first sentence second paragraph makes it sound as though OS X is linux based, which isn't true
Jun 18 16:32:21 <summatusmentis> you're also using "hack" in two different senses
Jun 18 16:33:11 <summatusmentis> Palm hasn't officially acknowledged this community
Jun 18 16:33:41 <summatusmentis> some Palm employees are here, and we've been notified, we know we're being watched, but we've never recieved an "official" go ahead
Jun 18 16:33:52 <benklop> okay
Jun 18 16:35:07 <benklop> summatusmentis: i've changed hack to break and added bsd based
Jun 18 16:35:13 <benklop> to the osx iphone thing
Jun 18 16:35:32 <benklop> i'll tackle the palm thing in a second
Jun 18 16:36:37 <summatusmentis> benklop: cool :) I'd say the only other thing is make sure you understand how the subsystem works, or how we think it works
Jun 18 16:37:06 <summatusmentis> My understanding is that things like Classic have binary blobs that are being run, and hooks into those binary blobs
Jun 18 16:37:25 <summatusmentis> there's also a java vm that does something, and I'm not sure what
Jun 18 16:38:27 <benklop> ok
Jun 18 16:38:36 <summatusmentis> otherwise, it looks good!
Jun 18 16:38:59 <summatusmentis> I don't mean to tear it apart, that's the "editor of the variety section of the school newspaper" coming out :)
Jun 18 16:39:00 <benklop> i've changed the palm acknowledgement thing from "Palm" to "some palm employees"
Jun 18 16:39:26 <benklop> summatusmentis: actually go ahead, i mean the better the article the more likely it will get read
Jun 18 16:39:40 <summatusmentis> I think it's important to make sure it doesn't sound like Palm has given us full go ahead
Jun 18 16:39:44 <benklop> i want it to be interesting but technically sound
Jun 18 16:40:04 <benklop> i hate it when people write about things they havn't get the understand to write about...
Jun 18 16:40:14 <benklop> *understanding
Jun 18 16:40:19 <summatusmentis> everything we're doing is legal, so long as we don't break licensing/NDAs, and all information we have has been gleaned through legal means
Jun 18 16:40:44 <benklop> should I say that outright?
Jun 18 16:40:46 <summatusmentis> But Palm could decide to play hardball, there is no official palm policy, that I know of
Jun 18 16:41:30 <summatusmentis> that's up to you, but we don't want to sound like we're putting words in Palms mouth
Jun 18 16:42:43 <summatusmentis> also, we were warned against posting copyrighted code places (redistribution of others copyrighted code, etc.)
Jun 18 16:43:58 <summatusmentis> it might also be worth mentioned Optware by name (the people who have provided the 1700 packages)
Jun 18 16:45:01 <summatusmentis> outside of that, I'd say it's good. You might want to have rwhitby look at it to make sure I got the stuff about Palm and our interactions right, he's been the one talking to them
Jun 18 16:47:09 <benklop> is there a website for optware?
Jun 18 16:47:16 <summatusmentis> yeah, hold on
Jun 18 16:47:37 <benklop> ok, having trouble googling it
Jun 18 16:47:50 <summatusmentis> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages
Jun 18 16:50:26 <Kaerey> Has anyone else gone messing with the system sounds and alerts settings?
Jun 18 16:50:28 <bdumm> benklop, i would reword the native app/gui dying bit some, it seemed from first read that the pre was br0k3n somehow...
Jun 18 16:51:42 <benklop> bdumm: i'm not sure what you're meaning
Jun 18 16:52:32 <Kaerey> wtf does 'palm://com.palm.systemservice" refer to. I can't find it anywhere
Jun 18 16:53:55 <bpadalino|work> Kaerey, it's a Palm IPC call ..it goes over the dbus
Jun 18 16:53:59 <bsiegel> Kaerey: What do you mean? The systemservice does a lot of things...
Jun 18 16:54:07 <Kaerey> where is it?
Jun 18 16:54:15 <bpadalino|work> it's on the dbus ?
Jun 18 16:54:22 <Kaerey> ahhh.
Jun 18 16:54:29 <bsiegel> Kaerey:  It's provided by one of the native binaries
Jun 18 16:54:51 <Kaerey> damn those sneaky binaries
Jun 18 16:54:51 <benklop> summatusmentis: thanks
Jun 18 16:55:02 <sugardave> alright....ping -n -1 is my new friend
Jun 18 16:55:10 <bpadalino|work> why is that ?
Jun 18 16:55:23 <bsiegel>  /usr/bin/LunaSysService I think, but it would be hard to say for sure
Jun 18 16:55:59 <summatusmentis> eno: sure thing
Jun 18 16:56:03 <summatusmentis> wow
Jun 18 16:56:10 <summatusmentis> benklop: sure thing
Jun 18 16:56:12 <summatusmentis> eno: sorry, I can't type
Jun 18 16:56:49 <Kaerey> incase you missed it http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/186871-changing-notification-tones-coming.html
Jun 18 16:57:03 <Kaerey> scroll down about halfway to my linked image
Jun 18 16:58:07 <bdumm> benklop, on the part where you talk of native apps killing off the gui, it just isn't clear imho
Jun 18 16:58:33 <summatusmentis> native apps don't really kill off the gui
Jun 18 16:58:34 <benklop> oh, okay
Jun 18 16:58:39 <benklop> what happens then?
Jun 18 16:58:55 <summatusmentis> the ones that are killing the gui are writing to the framebuffer, which is the same place the gui goes
Jun 18 16:59:26 <summatusmentis> so I guess it's sort of killing the gui, but I'd say it's closer to "taking over the space where the gui is"
Jun 18 16:59:29 <summatusmentis> or something
Jun 18 16:59:45 <summatusmentis> and most of the native apps don't care about the framebuffer
Jun 18 17:00:07 <summatusmentis> afaik, it's doom, nes, and vnc that are taking over the framebuffer
Jun 18 17:00:23 <bpadalino|work> so basically the other app is taking over the fb, and not telling the gui it can re-take it over
Jun 18 17:00:59 <summatusmentis> I believe so, I'd ask Sargun to be sure
Jun 18 17:01:02 <summatusmentis> or nebula
Jun 18 17:01:06 <Sargun> summatusmentis, eh?
Jun 18 17:01:13 <nebula> eh?
Jun 18 17:01:21 <summatusmentis> framebuffer, how are you guys accessing it
Jun 18 17:01:24 <nebula> oh
Jun 18 17:01:33 <Sargun> SDL->directfb->/dev/fb0
Jun 18 17:01:33 <nebula> SDL_VIDEODRIVER='directfb'
Jun 18 17:01:35 <atlanta> im back
Jun 18 17:01:38 <bdumm> lol like waking the dead, eh?
Jun 18 17:01:44 <summatusmentis> and be clear, benklop is doing a write up on it
Jun 18 17:02:07 <Sargun> When Luna uses the framebuffer, it makes it: BGRA
Jun 18 17:02:15 <Sargun> all alphas are set to 0xff
Jun 18 17:02:22 <nebula> i thought it was ARGB
Jun 18 17:02:33 <Sargun> nebula, we do ARGB, it does BGRA.
Jun 18 17:02:39 <benklop> summatusmentis, bdumm: see if you like that paragraph better now
Jun 18 17:02:44 <nebula> potato potato
Jun 18 17:02:50 * Sargun slaps nebula 
Jun 18 17:02:54 <nebula> ow.
Jun 18 17:03:09 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 17:03:20 <atlanta> im backkkk
Jun 18 17:03:29 * nebula tells Sargun to figure out how to pass the sbcbitpool to PmBtEngine
Jun 18 17:03:57 <Sargun> nebula, disassemble that file, and figure out where it's getting it from
Jun 18 17:04:01 <nebula> i did
Jun 18 17:04:02 <summatusmentis> Sargun: so you're taking over the framebuffer from Luna, but not killing the GUI, correct?
Jun 18 17:04:07 <nebula> where were you!
Jun 18 17:04:15 <nebula> one sec, i'll do it again
Jun 18 17:04:17 <Sargun> summatusmentis, we're killin' GUIs left and right.
Jun 18 17:04:41 <summatusmentis> benklop: can you re-link the article? I lost it
Jun 18 17:04:53 <benklop> http://intellilinux.info/webos
Jun 18 17:05:22 <bpadalino|work> nebula, [A2DP]: PrepareSbc : Bitpool Value %d !!
Jun 18 17:05:31 <bpadalino|work> percent deee
Jun 18 17:05:39 <atlanta> Who would like to see an auto patcher
Jun 18 17:06:04 <atlanta> like you enter your phones ip address and the program will make edits for you
Jun 18 17:06:17 <nebula> bpadalino|work: yeah we found that, just gotta figure out how to pass it to the binary
Jun 18 17:06:24 <nebula> decompiling now
Jun 18 17:06:43 <summatusmentis> benklop: sound good, but you might have Sargun look at it to make sure. He's actually written code that does it, so... :)
Jun 18 17:06:52 <atlanta> @nebula what language is the code in ?
Jun 18 17:07:02 <nebula> arm/asm
Jun 18 17:07:16 <benklop> Sargun: wanna take a look and make sure i'm not spreading lies? http://intellilinux.info/webos
Jun 18 17:07:23 <bpadalino|work> plz hodl
Jun 18 17:07:29 <atlanta> oh lordy i need to learn that so i can help with the lower level stuff
Jun 18 17:07:30 <Sargun> benklop, sure.
Jun 18 17:07:41 <benklop> thanks
Jun 18 17:08:05 <Sargun> In fact, some Palm employees have unofficially acknowledged the hacking / homebrew community, and they have given them only one rule: Don't disclose or discuss any information regarding tethering, because then Sprint would probably complain to Palm, and then Palm would have to shut the homebrew community out. On top of this obvious hat tipping, I was told that several Palm employees actually frequent the homebrew IRC channel. Essentially, P
Jun 18 17:08:05 <Sargun> alm has told them this: "Have Fun!"
Jun 18 17:08:23 <Sargun> It'd be nice if you didn't exactly put it as an official statement
Jun 18 17:09:12 <atlanta> @nebula how long you known asm.arm
Jun 18 17:09:24 <benklop> Sargun: i put unofficially.. how can I change it that would help?
Jun 18 17:09:27 <bpadalino|work> nebula, have you tried using the palmsniffer ?
Jun 18 17:09:36 <benklop> I guess i'm not sure how unofficial the statrement was
Jun 18 17:09:41 <bpadalino|work> nebula, or using the -v option for verbose BT output ?
Jun 18 17:09:49 <atlanta> @benklop dont quote it
Jun 18 17:09:59 <benklop> atlanta: okay
Jun 18 17:10:04 <atlanta> just be like they have even told the member to have fun
Jun 18 17:10:43 <Sargun> . This includes a package manager, vi, python, rsync, cron, awk, and sed, and basically whatever else is in busybox.  -- python isn't included.
Jun 18 17:10:45 <atlanta> I was told that several Palm employees actually frequent the homebrew IRC channel, and told users to have fun
Jun 18 17:11:02 <sugardave> okay, this is beginning to annoy me: just for fun I decided to compile RoM MUD on the Pre...works great, except I can't seem to connect to it from anywhere other than localhost (or to eth0 on the Pre itself), what besides /etc/services should I look at to enable some port listening action?
Jun 18 17:11:33 <atlanta> did you open the port through iptables
Jun 18 17:11:33 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 17:11:42 <atlanta> not sure what RoM MUD is
Jun 18 17:11:59 <atlanta> @sugardave
Jun 18 17:12:06 <benklop> Sargun: sorry, thought I removed that from the list
Jun 18 17:12:06 <sugardave> I suck with iptables, but I tried to runt a command similar to the one that opens 222 for ssh, but it complained that it was a bad rule
Jun 18 17:12:16 <atlanta> hold on
Jun 18 17:12:21 <atlanta> what port is it on
Jun 18 17:12:21 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 17:12:23 <sugardave> 9500
Jun 18 17:12:33 <Lurking_Grue> Multi user dungeon.
Jun 18 17:12:50 <benklop> Sargun: that's fixed now too
Jun 18 17:12:57 <Sargun> benklop, o
Jun 18 17:12:58 <Sargun> ok
Jun 18 17:12:59 <atlanta> iptables -i eth0 -I INPUT --dport 9500 -j ACCEPT
Jun 18 17:13:13 <Sargun> -p tcp
Jun 18 17:13:16 <atlanta> @sugardave thats for eth0 "wifi"
Jun 18 17:13:18 <atlanta> oh yea
Jun 18 17:13:23 <atlanta> iptables -i eth0 -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 9500 -j ACCEPT
Jun 18 17:13:23 <sugardave> looks similar to what I did, except I left off -i
Jun 18 17:13:24 <Sargun> add -p tcp before --dport
Jun 18 17:13:31 <Sargun> and get rid of -i eth0
Jun 18 17:13:35 <atlanta> yea u can leave it off
Jun 18 17:13:37 <sloppyjm> HEy is it possible to open a garge door with the pre like set it to do that
Jun 18 17:13:49 <atlanta> @sloppyjm  if your garage is wifi
Jun 18 17:13:49 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 17:13:56 <phillipah> lol
Jun 18 17:14:00 <atlanta> wifi enabled that is
Jun 18 17:14:12 <Lurking_Grue> Get the pre to control x10 modules. :)
Jun 18 17:14:20 <atlanta> or bluetooth
Jun 18 17:14:21 <sloppyjm> well what if we connect a garage door opener thignt o it via bluetooth then hacked anny door we wanted
Jun 18 17:14:23 <benklop> sloppyjm: from what 've been hearing that's like asking you you can make linux open your garage door. so the answer is yes with some hacknig and probably at least 1 relay
Jun 18 17:14:41 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 17:14:42 <shaya> bluetooth wont have enough range
Jun 18 17:14:49 <bsiegel> sloppyjm: Install emacs from optware. I'm pretty sure it has a command for that.
Jun 18 17:14:51 <sugardave> iptables; No chain/target/match by that name
Jun 18 17:14:58 <atlanta> shaya: where you trying to open your garage from lol
Jun 18 17:14:59 <sugardave> looks like I need to learn about iptables next
Jun 18 17:15:00 <sugardave> grr
Jun 18 17:15:01 <sloppyjm> no conect the device that will hack it
Jun 18 17:15:06 <bdumm> benklop, check pm
Jun 18 17:15:11 <shaya> atlanta: from b4 I enter the driveway?:
Jun 18 17:15:14 <sloppyjm> idk ahahah jsut an idea to throw out ahahah
Jun 18 17:15:14 <Filefly> ok, it's official
Jun 18 17:15:16 <atlanta> oh ok
Jun 18 17:15:18 <shaya> 50 feet?
Jun 18 17:15:19 <Filefly> you guys freaking rock
Jun 18 17:15:23 <shaya> I doubt bluetooth will work
Jun 18 17:15:29 <atlanta> bluetooth reaches 50 feet
Jun 18 17:15:35 <shaya> through wall?
Jun 18 17:15:39 <atlanta> yea
Jun 18 17:15:43 <Filefly> i did the roam-only hack and now i get data in my house without wifi <3
Jun 18 17:15:45 <atlanta> i use mine around the house
Jun 18 17:15:45 <shaya> not bluetooth I've done
Jun 18 17:15:57 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 17:15:59 <shaya> my a2dp headsets drop off if I walk more than 10-20 feet away
Jun 18 17:16:03 <sloppyjm> ok you know what the reg door opener uses conect one of those to pre with bluetooth then make it so itle open annydoor we want with an app
Jun 18 17:16:38 <shaya> I was under the impression that bluetooth was only supposed to have a 10m range or something
Jun 18 17:16:40 <shaya> let me check
Jun 18 17:16:42 <atlanta> maybe with a2dp
Jun 18 17:17:04 <shaya> yes, 10 meters is its range
Jun 18 17:17:06 <sloppyjm> Woudlent it depend on your devices signal strentgh
Jun 18 17:17:06 <phillipah> you want to becareful on roam only sprint sent me a letter a few months back saying that most of my data was transfered on roaming and they were going to cancel my service if i did not stop
Jun 18 17:17:13 <shaya> which is up to 32 feet
Jun 18 17:17:18 <atlanta> like 10 meters
Jun 18 17:17:24 <shaya> which isnt so far off of my experience
Jun 18 17:17:30 <Filefly> phillipah: i contacted them and they confirmed i could only get signal on roaming here
Jun 18 17:17:37 <Filefly> my account has been noted as such
Jun 18 17:17:42 <phillipah> ok cool
Jun 18 17:17:42 <atlanta> @Filefly nice
Jun 18 17:17:43 <cinamon> its gotta be further then 10 meters
Jun 18 17:17:48 <hemna> why would you want roam only?
Jun 18 17:17:51 <Filefly> because
Jun 18 17:17:54 <phillipah> ya they were not so nice with me a few months back
Jun 18 17:18:01 <Filefly> it defaults to sprint even if sprint's signal sucks
Jun 18 17:18:03 <sloppyjm> because roam only is off of verizons network
Jun 18 17:18:07 <atlanta> get a class 1 bluetooth device
Jun 18 17:18:10 <phillipah> in my office raoming is the only way i get good signal
Jun 18 17:18:33 <sloppyjm> roaming is goood with a simply everythign plan right
Jun 18 17:18:37 <Filefly> yes
Jun 18 17:18:46 <shaya> depends on the power class
Jun 18 17:18:46 <atlanta> you will still get a letter
Jun 18 17:18:47 <atlanta> though
Jun 18 17:18:57 <hemna> I was going to say, roaming = more changes usually no?
Jun 18 17:19:01 <Filefly> atlanta: who?
Jun 18 17:19:04 <shaya> there are 3 classes of power for BT
Jun 18 17:19:18 <atlanta> @Filefly if you got a simply everything plam
Jun 18 17:19:22 <atlanta> yea 1-3 class
Jun 18 17:19:28 <atlanta> 1 the powerist
Jun 18 17:19:29 <Filefly> oh
Jun 18 17:19:34 <atlanta> powerfulist
Jun 18 17:19:44 <Filefly> :P
Jun 18 17:19:58 <shaya> isn't class 2 the normal one?
Jun 18 17:20:04 <shaya> or is class 3 really the normal one?
Jun 18 17:20:06 <atlanta> yea
Jun 18 17:20:08 <shaya> class 2 is only 10m
Jun 18 17:20:08 <atlanta> 2
Jun 18 17:20:13 <shaya> class 3 is 100m
Jun 18 17:20:15 <shaya> class 1 is 1m
Jun 18 17:20:27 <atlanta> no
Jun 18 17:20:29 <atlanta> 1 is 100m
Jun 18 17:20:31 <atlanta> 3 is 1
Jun 18 17:20:36 <atlanta> 1m**
Jun 18 17:21:04 <shaya> http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Technology/Works/Architecture__Radio.htm
Jun 18 17:21:11 <shaya> you're right
Jun 18 17:21:20 <shaya> I did it backwards
Jun 18 17:21:28 <atlanta> hehe
Jun 18 17:21:33 <shaya> class 1 is 100mw, 2 is 2.5mw
Jun 18 17:21:35 <shaya> 3 is 1mw
Jun 18 17:21:39 <atlanta> yup yup
Jun 18 17:22:13 <benklop> thanks for all the help everyone. Now I need to find a way to bring the article to a wider audience :0
Jun 18 17:22:16 <benklop> :)
Jun 18 17:22:33 <atlanta> which articale
Jun 18 17:22:33 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 17:22:35 <summatusmentis> aha
Jun 18 17:22:47 <summatusmentis> haha*
Jun 18 17:22:47 <atlanta> oh nevermind
Jun 18 17:22:48 <atlanta> lol
Jun 18 17:23:51 <benklop> :)
Jun 18 17:24:38 <benklop> why this one of course http://intellilinux.info/webos (might as well link to it again lol
Jun 18 17:25:51 <no1leftypitcher> Hey everyone!
Jun 18 17:26:03 <summatusmentis> i
Jun 18 17:26:05 <summatusmentis> hi*
Jun 18 17:26:11 <summatusmentis> ugh, my stupid 'h' key
Jun 18 17:26:29 <no1leftypitcher> lol. I got a question about getting the talk.py script working
Jun 18 17:27:00 <sloppyjm> wgats rong noone
Jun 18 17:27:01 <no1leftypitcher> I continue to get the errno 10061...target machine refused it
Jun 18 17:27:10 <no1leftypitcher> I have turned off my firewall
Jun 18 17:27:11 <sloppyjm> what os are u useing
Jun 18 17:27:20 <no1leftypitcher> and have no antivirus
Jun 18 17:27:24 <no1leftypitcher> win xp pro
Jun 18 17:27:27 <psykoz> has anyone used the seidio extended battery?
Jun 18 17:27:38 <sloppyjm> is it a 64 bit machine
Jun 18 17:27:43 <no1leftypitcher> 32
Jun 18 17:28:01 <sloppyjm> what versoin of pythoin did u instal
Jun 18 17:28:11 <no1leftypitcher> 2.6 exactly
Jun 18 17:28:16 <sloppyjm> hum
Jun 18 17:28:22 <no1leftypitcher> should it be a newer one?
Jun 18 17:28:28 <sloppyjm> try uninstaling and useing 2.5.4
Jun 18 17:28:41 <no1leftypitcher> ok ill give it a shot...brb
Jun 18 17:28:45 <sloppyjm> kk
Jun 18 17:31:35 <Rick_> Target Machine Refused it is almost always that the novacom install failed.
Jun 18 17:32:02 <Rick_> If you go to device manager does the novacom device show up and does it have the yellow exclamation point that it isn't working?
Jun 18 17:33:54 <no1leftypitcher> checking...
Jun 18 17:35:47 <no1leftypitcher> ok...novacom is working properly.
Jun 18 17:36:01 <no1leftypitcher> after installing 2.5.4 python. I get a different error
Jun 18 17:36:18 <no1leftypitcher> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 18 17:36:25 <Kaerey> no1leftypitcher did you reboot after installing the Novacom Service?
Jun 18 17:36:34 <no1leftypitcher> nope...one sec
Jun 18 17:36:43 <Kaerey> I've found that fixes most problems
Jun 18 17:36:58 <sugardave> ah, had to do -A INPUT, not -I
Jun 18 17:36:58 <Kaerey> or just go into the system services and make sure Palm Novacom is started
Jun 18 17:37:04 <no1leftypitcher> me too...should have tried that lol
Jun 18 17:37:16 <sugardave> neat, I think I have the first MUD hosted on a Pre up and running
Jun 18 17:39:29 <no1leftypitcher> same error :(
Jun 18 17:40:49 <no1leftypitcher> fwiw novacom service is started
Jun 18 17:47:12 <bpadalino|work> no1leftypitcher, is your pre plugged in ?
Jun 18 17:48:14 <no1leftypitcher> no i don't have the cable with me. but i am playing music (so the wifi stays on)
Jun 18 17:49:49 <no1leftypitcher> since I cannot get the portnum
Jun 18 17:49:56 <no1leftypitcher> can i manually put one in in the script?
Jun 18 17:50:11 <no1leftypitcher> ...if so what would be recommended
Jun 18 17:50:18 <no1leftypitcher> does it matter?
Jun 18 17:51:39 <bpadalino|work> novacomd works only over usb ..
Jun 18 17:51:56 <bpadalino|work> the talk script, too, only works when connected over usb
Jun 18 17:52:11 <bpadalino|work> if you want to ssh in (if you've set that up) then that is when the music playing helps
Jun 18 17:52:18 <bpadalino|work> so your wifi radio doesn't get turned off
Jun 18 17:52:36 <sugardave> ping -n -1 [ip  of pre]
Jun 18 17:52:39 <no1leftypitcher> oOo ok thanks
Jun 18 17:52:42 <sugardave> from another terminal is helpful
Jun 18 17:52:46 <sugardave> to keep sessions alive
Jun 18 17:53:45 <no1leftypitcher> thanks guy i will try again when I head home
Jun 18 18:01:01 <hemna> has anyone picked up the Pre w/o a contract?
Jun 18 18:02:25 <Aaron__> alright got ssh workin but  my password doesnt work
Jun 18 18:02:29 <Aaron__> how can i reset it?
Jun 18 18:02:35 <bpadalino|work> hemna, yes - a lot of people
Jun 18 18:03:04 <hemna> does it work off the current Pre only network provider?
Jun 18 18:03:09 <hemna> unlocked?
Jun 18 18:04:29 <seekis> hi guys...im back...
Jun 18 18:04:40 <seekis> rwhitby you live
Jun 18 18:04:41 <seekis> ?
Jun 18 18:05:03 <bpadalino|work> hemna, not sure if anyone has tried bringing it over to verizon
Jun 18 18:06:49 <seekis> i need help reseting my ssh password
Jun 18 18:07:04 <seekis> ...
Jun 18 18:07:13 <hemna> ok was just curious.  I have a friend that has an iPhone and they want to switch to the Pre, but wants to stay with their provider for some reason
Jun 18 18:07:14 <bpadalino|work> step 1) ssh into you.. oh crap!
Jun 18 18:07:17 <bpadalino|work> :)
Jun 18 18:07:25 <seekis> lol
Jun 18 18:07:33 <seekis> really is there a way to reset the pass
Jun 18 18:07:34 <bpadalino|work> hemna, the pre currently is only CDMA so they can't stay with ATT ..
Jun 18 18:07:36 <hemna> seekis, can't get root via terminal over usb?
Jun 18 18:07:40 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 18:07:43 <seekis> i can
Jun 18 18:07:47 <bpadalino|work> hemna, there will be a UMTS one (compatible with ATT) rumored to be out soon enough
Jun 18 18:07:48 <hemna> ok there  you go
Jun 18 18:07:56 <bpadalino|work> that will run webos - but not be in the same pre form factor
Jun 18 18:08:05 <seekis> but how do i reset the pass
Jun 18 18:08:12 <hemna> passwd <user>
Jun 18 18:08:16 <bpadalino|work> seekis, type passwd <username> and it should give you a prom0pt
Jun 18 18:08:21 <seekis> ok
Jun 18 18:08:53 <hemna> not sure why you would intentionally want to go with a crippled carrier
Jun 18 18:09:02 <hemna> Sprint at least has mms already :P
Jun 18 18:09:19 <hemna> I've been a Sprint customer for years though, and have been happy with them
Jun 18 18:09:27 <hemna> I had a few Treo models prior to the Pre
Jun 18 18:09:43 * nebula beats the crap out of pandora for playing red hot chili peppers... again.
Jun 18 18:10:09 * czarphanguye is listening to RHCP (again.)
Jun 18 18:10:10 <hemna> I never really understood why folks like pandora
Jun 18 18:10:16 <hemna> it never seems to play the music I want to hear
Jun 18 18:10:49 <seekis> do i have to restart ssh after every reboot?
Jun 18 18:10:56 <bpadalino|work> seekis, depends on how you set it up
Jun 18 18:11:08 <bpadalino|work> if you set it up to restart as a service every time you boot ..
Jun 18 18:11:09 <bpadalino|work> then no
Jun 18 18:11:10 <bpadalino|work> if not, then yes
Jun 18 18:11:11 <bpadalino|work> :)
Jun 18 18:11:21 <DogWater> Is the SDK available to the public/smaller developers yet?
Jun 18 18:11:23 <seekis> so just term in and then use init start?
Jun 18 18:12:34 <benklop> what FS is the pre using?
Jun 18 18:13:14 <seekis> term says connection refused
Jun 18 18:13:20 * Lurking_Grue pandora keeps playing Tenacious D....
Jun 18 18:13:58 * DogWater wishes they'd release more apps for the Pre :D
Jun 18 18:14:18 <bkuberek> I think pandora loops through no more then 15-20 songs. so once it runs out it plays same songs over
Jun 18 18:14:59 <DogWater> no worse than any radio station in the US except they dont play the same 15-20 ads over and over
Jun 18 18:15:12 <seekis> stll getting connection refused
Jun 18 18:15:19 <seekis> what did i do wrong
Jun 18 18:15:38 <bpadalino|work> i've got a nice local radio station that plays some good alternative music ... usually pretty good selection
Jun 18 18:15:39 <Lurking_Grue> If you use quickmix you need to log on to the page with a computer and add all your stations to get more music.
Jun 18 18:15:40 <czarphanguye> seekis: wifi or evdo?
Jun 18 18:15:47 <seekis> wifi
Jun 18 18:15:48 <Lurking_Grue> There seems to be no interface for that on the pre.
Jun 18 18:15:50 <bpadalino|work> and not many commercials - just underwriting commercials
Jun 18 18:15:51 <bpadalino|work> which are great
Jun 18 18:16:20 <bpadalino|work> seekis, what are you trying to do exactly ?
Jun 18 18:16:23 <bkuberek> sikis use novaterm to find out the pre's ip address
Jun 18 18:16:26 <seekis> ssh in
Jun 18 18:16:30 <seekis> i did
Jun 18 18:16:31 <seekis> i have it
Jun 18 18:16:35 <seekis> i tried it
Jun 18 18:16:39 <bkuberek> may have changed?
Jun 18 18:16:40 <seekis> i got connection refused
Jun 18 18:16:41 <seekis> nope
Jun 18 18:16:47 <seekis> im looking at it right now
Jun 18 18:16:47 <bpadalino|work> have you enabled ssh previously ?
Jun 18 18:16:49 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 18:17:00 <bpadalino|work> is your phone screen on when you're trying to ssh in ?
Jun 18 18:17:03 <seekis> i changed the pass and now it wont connect
Jun 18 18:17:06 <seekis> nope
Jun 18 18:17:19 <bpadalino|work> turn the screen on and then try
Jun 18 18:17:32 <bkuberek> seekis: look here http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository that's how I did it and works all the time
Jun 18 18:17:40 <hemna> does sprint block port 80 requests into their network?
Jun 18 18:18:01 <hemna> I tried running thttpd on port 80, and opened a f/w rule, but no requests got in
Jun 18 18:18:05 <hemna> works fine on 8080
Jun 18 18:18:07 <seekis>  im have that page open
Jun 18 18:18:12 <seekis> still no connection
Jun 18 18:18:29 <bpadalino|work> seekis, can you ping your phones ip ?
Jun 18 18:18:50 <seekis> yup
Jun 18 18:18:52 <seekis> pinging away
Jun 18 18:18:55 <Lurking_Grue> Looks like sprint blocks personal dns servers.
Jun 18 18:19:21 <bpadalino|work> seekis, all i can suggest is making sure your port is correct - sorry
Jun 18 18:19:31 <seekis> its 222
Jun 18 18:19:38 <seekis> at least is was the first time
Jun 18 18:19:42 <seekis> does it change on its own?
Jun 18 18:19:45 <bpadalino|work> no
Jun 18 18:20:19 <seekis> ill try a reboot
Jun 18 18:20:36 <bpadalino|work> though it would be amusing if they did move the sshd port every 10 minutes
Jun 18 18:20:40 <bpadalino|work> and you had to guess what it was
Jun 18 18:21:06 <seekis> how do you ssh via evdo?
Jun 18 18:21:46 <Lurking_Grue> Bp: It would be nmap for the win :)
Jun 18 18:22:08 <bpadalino|work> grue, absolutely - but it would still be amusing
Jun 18 18:22:32 <bpadalino|work> grue, especially if they setup a rule to ignore you if you have 10 ports connecting at a time
Jun 18 18:22:54 <bpadalino|work> seekis, change your destination IP
Jun 18 18:23:12 <seekis> so ... user@evdo IP
Jun 18 18:23:36 <bpadalino|work> does the iptables command allow port 222 over evdo ?
Jun 18 18:24:13 <sugardave> seekis, there's an optional part in the setup of the optware repo that shows where the iptables rule only alows ssh to eth0...you remove the '-i eth0' part from both rules and can then get to it over EVDO
Jun 18 18:24:47 <seekis> how do i remove the i
Jun 18 18:25:14 * Lurking_Grue gets daft punk this time on his Pandora.
Jun 18 18:25:21 <seekis> still no connection over wifi
Jun 18 18:25:28 <seekis> checked the ip
Jun 18 18:25:31 <seekis> on same network
Jun 18 18:25:33 <seekis> ping is ok
Jun 18 18:25:41 <seekis> 'Connection refused'
Jun 18 18:26:11 <bpadalino|work> sorry ?
Jun 18 18:26:20 <bpadalino|work> connect over usb is my next suggestion
Jun 18 18:26:55 <seekis> i am connected via usb, but how does that help my current situation?
Jun 18 18:27:14 <bpadalino|work> you can run the command to allow you evdo access
Jun 18 18:27:33 <bpadalino|work> troubleshooting is tiresome :(
Jun 18 18:27:59 <seekis> so ssh over evdo is over the cell network or is it connecting though my wifi into the evdo radio?
Jun 18 18:28:00 <pEEf> rwhitby: Soory I "stood you up" yesterday.  A work crisis kept me away from the computer late into the evening.
Jun 18 18:28:40 <sugardave> seekis, EVDO is over cellular
Jun 18 18:28:43 <bpadalino|work> seekis, over the cell network
Jun 18 18:28:54 <pEEf> And I doubt I'll have time today, but maybe later this evening.
Jun 18 18:29:18 <seekis> so how do i comment out the i
Jun 18 18:29:23 <seekis> in term?
Jun 18 18:29:43 <benklop> i wonder why they're not using bluz
Jun 18 18:29:47 <benklop> bluez
Jun 18 18:29:59 <sugardave> you don't comment it out, you have to actually delete it from the line that is the iptables rule...it's in that file you should have downloaded to /etc/event.d
Jun 18 18:30:23 <seekis> how do i open that file to edit
Jun 18 18:30:25 <seekis> ls
Jun 18 18:30:50 <sugardave> sounds like you need to step back and get familiar with some basic linux commands....vi is a good editor
Jun 18 18:30:57 <seekis> vi?
Jun 18 18:30:57 <czarphanguye> seekis: vi /etc/event.d/webos-sshenabler
Jun 18 18:31:45 <czarphanguye> seekis: but if you already ran that script, then ppp0 is blocked.  update iptables after removing `-i eth0`
Jun 18 18:32:51 <seekis> i entered vi /etc/event.d/webos-sshenabler and now i got a blank term  with /etc/event.d/webos-sshenabler 1/1 100%
Jun 18 18:33:02 <seekis> did i do something wrong?
Jun 18 18:34:13 <czarphanguye> seekis: should be http://blogs.gurulabs.com/dax/webos-sshenabler
Jun 18 18:34:32 <seekis> thats for drop bear
Jun 18 18:34:38 <seekis> im using openssh
Jun 18 18:34:47 <seekis> but still it just gives me a blank screen
Jun 18 18:34:56 <seekis> do i type all this  http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-openssh
Jun 18 18:35:37 <seekis> nvm
Jun 18 18:35:38 <seekis> i got it
Jun 18 18:35:51 <seekis> vi /etc/event.d/optware-openssh
Jun 18 18:35:52 <hemna> note to self....don't hand over Pre to coworker when you still have a pr0n site up on the browser
Jun 18 18:36:39 <nebula> hemna: good rule.
Jun 18 18:36:52 <bpadalino|work> you had porn up on your pre ?
Jun 18 18:37:29 <nebula> Pandora: i hate the red hot chili peppers. stop playing them.
Jun 18 18:37:43 <seekis> ok how do i get out off the edit screen
Jun 18 18:37:44 <seekis> ?
Jun 18 18:37:49 <hemna> heh yah...I caught it just before I handed it over.....swipe!  phew
Jun 18 18:37:51 <nebula> type :q!
Jun 18 18:37:52 <seekis> out of*
Jun 18 18:38:00 <steviebuns> does anyone know if there's a difference between :wq and :x in vi?
Jun 18 18:38:20 <nebula> steviebuns: i use either wq! or <shift> ZZ
Jun 18 18:38:20 <stefan_schmidt> steviebuns: nope, it's an alias
Jun 18 18:38:20 <hemna> afaik :x was a shortcut for :wq
Jun 18 18:38:24 <seekis> where do i type it
Jun 18 18:38:36 <nebula> in command mode
Jun 18 18:38:44 <nebula> ie. :
Jun 18 18:38:46 <hemna> seekis, hit ESC, then :x
Jun 18 18:38:49 <hemna> thats it
Jun 18 18:39:06 <seekis> then close the window or ...?
Jun 18 18:39:14 <seekis> jeez dont get ur panties in a wad
Jun 18 18:39:27 <seekis> if im that much of a bother ill find help somewhere else
Jun 18 18:40:04 <chron> anyone know what sub_820032E0 is doing? (in bootie)
Jun 18 18:40:28 <bpadalino|work> chron, where/when do you see that ?
Jun 18 18:41:29 <seekis> so how do i get out of vi?
Jun 18 18:41:35 <seekis> i pushed esc and nothing happend
Jun 18 18:41:39 <bkuberek> :q
Jun 18 18:41:52 <goatslacker> :q!
Jun 18 18:41:58 <atlanta> install nano
Jun 18 18:41:59 <seekis> just quit?
Jun 18 18:42:03 <chron> i just said
Jun 18 18:42:05 <chron> in bootie
Jun 18 18:42:06 <bkuberek> if you want to save and quit then it is $ :wq
Jun 18 18:42:11 <atlanta> ipkg-opt install nano
Jun 18 18:42:32 <seekis> within the script or after #end of file?
Jun 18 18:42:34 <atlanta> sounds like seekis is about to F something up
Jun 18 18:42:39 <seekis> cmon
Jun 18 18:42:42 <seekis> im new at this
Jun 18 18:42:46 * sugardave agress with atlanta.
Jun 18 18:42:50 <sugardave> agrees, too
Jun 18 18:42:54 <bpadalino|work> chron, the phone is in bootie mode and you see sub_820032e0 ?
Jun 18 18:42:56 <atlanta>  ok seekis
Jun 18 18:43:02 <atlanta> do this exit the file
Jun 18 18:43:04 <atlanta> :q!
Jun 18 18:43:18 <atlanta> done?
Jun 18 18:43:20 <sugardave> and press [enter]
Jun 18 18:43:24 <hemna> I find it odd that all of the images in /media/internal/DCIM are 755 perms
Jun 18 18:43:36 <atlanta> yea so the phone can read it
Jun 18 18:43:39 <atlanta> and write
Jun 18 18:43:57 <bpadalino|work>  /media/internal is vfat
Jun 18 18:43:59 <chron> no
Jun 18 18:44:02 <chron> i am asking what sub_820032E0 is doing
Jun 18 18:44:08 <chron> i don't even have a pre
Jun 18 18:44:20 <bpadalino|work> chron, i need more context - where do you get sub_820032e0 from ?
Jun 18 18:44:24 <roxfan2> what binary?
Jun 18 18:44:31 <hemna> thttpd hates 755
Jun 18 18:44:43 <hemna> it won't serve up .jpg/data files w/ the exec bit on :(
Jun 18 18:45:35 <chron> bootie
Jun 18 18:45:44 <chron> ungziped from boot.bin
Jun 18 18:45:45 <roxfan> http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en&sa=N&cd=3&ct=rc#1x2DOGRl7X8/include/asm/arch-omap3/omap3430.h&q=48320000
Jun 18 18:45:47 <chron> loaded into ida
Jun 18 18:46:21 <bpadalino|work> chron, ok - so the bootloader disassembly ..
Jun 18 18:46:57 <nebula> chron: http://i43.tinypic.com/j58mds.png
Jun 18 18:47:09 <bpadalino|work> did you disassemble against armv7 ?
Jun 18 18:47:45 <steviebuns> hemna: couldn't you change the mask in /etc/fstab for /media/internal?
Jun 18 18:48:10 <hemna> I suppose so, not sure how it will effect other files though?
Jun 18 18:48:14 <bpadalino|work> nebula, pretty picture - what created it ?
Jun 18 18:48:23 <nebula> bpadalino|work: ida pro
Jun 18 18:48:28 <bpadalino|work> nice
Jun 18 18:48:31 <roxfan> looks like they get timer value and mutiply  by 1000
Jun 18 18:48:43 <roxfan> (re 820032E0)
Jun 18 18:50:38 <chron> roxfan: thanks for link, u are probably right
Jun 18 18:50:42 <roxfan> ah actually
Jun 18 18:50:46 <roxfan> http://git.newos.org/?p=lk.git;a=blob;f=platform/omap3/timer.c;h=f101f503ee9d6d1556336ba18ab4caa4c4abe9ca;hb=HEAD
Jun 18 18:50:54 <roxfan> current_time is it
Jun 18 18:50:59 <chron> ahh
Jun 18 18:51:22 <hemna> umask=133 then  to get 644 for new files?
Jun 18 18:51:56 <steviebuns> hemna: since default is 755, I think you have to subtract from that
Jun 18 18:52:21 <hemna> 111 ?
Jun 18 18:53:10 <sugardave> cron job with a script that chmods whatever file types you're interested in?
Jun 18 18:53:50 <hemna> root@castle:/opt/share/www# umask
Jun 18 18:53:50 <hemna> 0022
Jun 18 18:54:00 <hemna> that looks like the default in the root's shell
Jun 18 18:54:14 <chron> aha
Jun 18 18:54:16 <hemna> so files should get 755 perms by default?
Jun 18 18:54:47 <chron>  
Jun 18 18:54:47 <chron> EL
Jun 18 18:54:47 <chron> Physical Address 0x48320010
Jun 18 18:54:47 <chron> Description This register contains the 32-kHz sync counter value.
Jun 18 18:54:47 <chron> Type R
Jun 18 18:55:10 <hemna> dang.  I did umask 133
Jun 18 18:55:13 <hemna> touch foo
Jun 18 18:55:18 <hemna> foo still god 755
Jun 18 18:55:20 <hemna> err got
Jun 18 18:55:28 <bpadalino|work> hemna, which partition ?
Jun 18 18:55:37 <hemna>  /media
Jun 18 18:55:46 <steviebuns> hemna: that's because perms aren't supported on vfat. that's why you need to change it in fstab
Jun 18 18:55:53 <hemna> doesn't umask for the user's shell overload any partition's umask?
Jun 18 18:56:03 <steviebuns> that's for creating files
Jun 18 18:56:38 <hemna> ok I'll try /etc/fstab
Jun 18 18:56:40 <steviebuns> hemna: if you want to strip execute perms from stuff on a vfat partition, I reckon you need to specify this when mounting
Jun 18 18:57:05 <bpadalino|work> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/permissions-problem-in-mounted-vfat-partition-45848/
Jun 18 18:57:12 <hemna> rebooting
Jun 18 18:57:45 <hemna> ok cool thanks bpadalino
Jun 18 18:57:53 <hemna> added umask=133
Jun 18 18:57:58 <hemna> see if that'll fix it
Jun 18 19:00:05 <mrjcarter> join preguides
Jun 18 19:00:21 <mrjcarter> oops
Jun 18 19:01:17 <jblebrun> bpad: So'd you give up on compiling the toolchain for OS X?
Jun 18 19:01:34 <seekis> do you have to use port 222 for ssh
Jun 18 19:01:34 <seekis> ?
Jun 18 19:01:59 <goatslacker> seekis, no
Jun 18 19:02:06 <seekis> ok
Jun 18 19:02:08 <sugardave> would it be umask 111, or 133....never used it before
Jun 18 19:02:23 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, indeed .. i figure running a VM in fusion was easier and better than trying to get the cross compiling tools to build ..
Jun 18 19:03:06 <seekis> tried ssh over evdo 'Operation timed out'
Jun 18 19:03:16 <steviebuns> seekis: are you on the charger?
Jun 18 19:03:19 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 19:03:43 <bpadalino|work> your pre is the first in the skynet and has decided to disable ssh access
Jun 18 19:03:55 <sugardave> haha
Jun 18 19:04:18 <hemna> gah..umas=133 made everything on the mount 644
Jun 18 19:04:21 <hemna> including dirs
Jun 18 19:04:25 <hemna> err umask
Jun 18 19:04:30 <sugardave> it sounds more like some of the intitial configuration steps didn't get followed...maybe didn't kill dropbear or openssh after installing it?
Jun 18 19:04:43 <steviebuns> hemna: well at least you know now to subtract from 777
Jun 18 19:04:52 <seekis> i did
Jun 18 19:04:53 <hemna> heh.  dmask maybe?
Jun 18 19:04:55 <seekis> killall ssh
Jun 18 19:04:58 <seekis> sshd*
Jun 18 19:04:58 <hemna> dmask 022
Jun 18 19:05:10 <jblebrun> bpadalino: I might have a stab at it over the weekend.
Jun 18 19:06:16 <hemna> cool that fixed it
Jun 18 19:06:50 <sugardave> wait, what was it?
Jun 18 19:07:34 <seekis_> no ssh over wifi
Jun 18 19:07:36 <seekis_> how can i fix?
Jun 18 19:07:39 <hemna> ok
Jun 18 19:07:47 <hemna> cool, now the web server always shows the last image taken
Jun 18 19:08:22 <sugardave> hemna, was dmask a command to run or an option for /etc/fstab, and do I need to take out the umask=133 I already have there
Jun 18 19:08:38 <hemna> i had to add it to /etc/fstab as well as the umask
Jun 18 19:08:43 <hemna> umask=133,dmask=022
Jun 18 19:08:50 <sugardave> ah, okay
Jun 18 19:08:53 <sugardave> thanks
Jun 18 19:09:31 <steviebuns> hemna: is your /media/internal still owned by root, or uid=1001?
Jun 18 19:09:38 <hemna> root currently
Jun 18 19:09:47 <steviebuns> so when you use SFTP, you can't write to it?
Jun 18 19:10:09 <hemna> I'm trying not to change much of the system as possible, so I don't break the webos apps
Jun 18 19:10:16 <hemna> I'm using samba
Jun 18 19:10:40 <hemna> I samba export /var/usr/palm/applications
Jun 18 19:10:40 <atlanta> how is samba working for u
Jun 18 19:10:40 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 19:10:57 <atlanta> works well
Jun 18 19:10:58 <atlanta> ?/
Jun 18 19:11:00 <hemna> and chown com.hemna.app.test to my user
Jun 18 19:11:01 <hemna> yah
Jun 18 19:11:10 <atlanta> which package you used to install it
Jun 18 19:11:11 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 19:11:18 <hemna> ipkg-opt install samba
Jun 18 19:11:19 <hemna> :P
Jun 18 19:11:23 <sugardave> haha
Jun 18 19:11:24 <hemna> I was going to make a wiki page on it
Jun 18 19:11:28 <atlanta> how big is samba
Jun 18 19:11:29 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 19:11:31 <hemna> just haven't gotten to it yet
Jun 18 19:11:36 <atlanta> yea do that
Jun 18 19:11:41 <f> hello
Jun 18 19:11:42 <atlanta> im not to great at using it
Jun 18 19:11:46 <atlanta> any thing need configing
Jun 18 19:11:47 <atlanta> ?
Jun 18 19:12:03 <sloppyjm> f
Jun 18 19:12:06 <sugardave> scp -r works for me! :D
Jun 18 19:12:15 <hemna> for whatever reason the samba package didn't come with a sample smb.conf
Jun 18 19:12:19 <hemna> so I had to hand make one
Jun 18 19:12:36 <steviebuns> i just copy everything to /media/internal with SFTP, and /media/internal is owned by non-root.
Jun 18 19:12:37 <hemna> I like having the share mounted, so I can just edit in eclipse, save, test
Jun 18 19:13:20 <steviebuns> and got wireless sync with Songbird ;)
Jun 18 19:13:23 <sugardave> I was trying to use WinSCP last night, and with both scp and sftp as protocols, I couldn't copy anything...I could log in to my directory, etc., but no copying
Jun 18 19:13:57 <bpadalino|work> you can copy things over to /media/internal by mounting your device as a USB drive if you would rather get rid of the scp step
Jun 18 19:14:37 <sugardave> yeah, good point
Jun 18 19:14:49 <steviebuns> bp: yeah but then you have to fiddle with that annoying plastic door.
Jun 18 19:14:51 <hemna> but that's not good for app dev
Jun 18 19:15:40 <steviebuns> I noticed after I trimmed my fingernails, it was really hard to open!
Jun 18 19:15:52 <hemna> yah you need nails to open it
Jun 18 19:16:24 <bpadalino|work> steviebuns, i noticed that i can get the door open with a little nail under the bottom aprt of the door
Jun 18 19:16:33 <sugardave> felt like I was going to break it the first time I tried to open it
Jun 18 19:16:33 <bpadalino|work> it seems to be the easiest place to slide even the smallest nail under
Jun 18 19:17:19 <bpadalino|work> but i think it's because the bottom side has the holder thing in place instead of the clip ..
Jun 18 19:17:44 <bpadalino|work> so trying the top with the clip is just a bad idea since you're working agains tthe clip instead of the free little holder thinger
Jun 18 19:18:33 <steviebuns> my goal is to just not use it whenever possible. hmmm, that's gonna be about $200 in touchstones...
Jun 18 19:19:36 <bpadalino|work> maybe you can get a bulk discount
Jun 18 19:19:57 <bpadalino|work> speaking of: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/dude-hardwires-palm-touchstone-into-bmw-charging-ensues/
Jun 18 19:21:16 <jblebrun> Someone should make an entire wall of Touchstones.
Jun 18 19:23:10 <sloppyjm> Battery hack tutorials?
Jun 18 19:23:16 <sloppyjm> are their anny
Jun 18 19:23:32 <bpadalino|work> how do you want to hack the battery ?
Jun 18 19:23:39 <sloppyjm> idk i wanna make it last longer
Jun 18 19:23:54 <bpadalino|work> hack #1) turn your phone off
Jun 18 19:23:57 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 18 19:24:12 <sloppyjm> Lol hack #2) Dont buy the pre
Jun 18 19:24:33 <bpadalino|work> if you are a heavy user, it will last about 4 or 5 hours of heavy use
Jun 18 19:24:45 <sloppyjm> i text alot so
Jun 18 19:24:52 <bpadalino|work> over night last night (~8 hours of no use) - it went down 15%
Jun 18 19:25:05 <sloppyjm> yeah its not on standby for me
Jun 18 19:25:23 <bpadalino|work> yeah, for you i'd say you're going to get more of the 5-8 hours of use before you need to recharge
Jun 18 19:25:25 <sloppyjm> ive noticed if on standby and theirs no apps runnign its good but with apps it dies
Jun 18 19:26:00 <jblebrun> I had my first extended away-from-charger time last night.
Jun 18 19:27:07 <jblebrun> I went from 100%-40% over about 7 hours
Jun 18 19:27:21 <sloppyjm> Yeah i tend to take my charger everywhear i go
Jun 18 19:27:24 <jblebrun> With GPS on, push email on, and moderate usage
Jun 18 19:27:27 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, interesting ..
Jun 18 19:27:37 <bpadalino|work> i had gps, push email, no wifi, bluetooth and no usage
Jun 18 19:27:47 <bpadalino|work> just idling other than the email
Jun 18 19:27:51 <bpadalino|work> (eg, i was sleeping)
Jun 18 19:28:02 <sloppyjm> its seeming the more i charge and break in the battery the better its getting
Jun 18 19:28:05 <jblebrun> Maybe I'll do an overnight text.
Jun 18 19:28:24 <jblebrun> test
Jun 18 19:28:50 <bpadalino|work> sloppyjm, i think i am seeing that too
Jun 18 19:28:55 <sloppyjm> jble: try runing a app or so overnight and see if it goes down and then try with no apps and see what happens
Jun 18 19:29:33 <sloppyjm> The battery clearly sucks thow thats why palm didint have those specs ahahah
Jun 18 19:30:03 <bpadalino|work> which app were you running ?
Jun 18 19:30:12 <bpadalino|work> playing music stops the power daemon from shutting down into deep sleep
Jun 18 19:30:22 <bpadalino|work> i wonder how many other apps do the same thing
Jun 18 19:30:59 <sloppyjm> i have no clue but i have email off and everything off and my battery stayed in the 90's last night from 11 til like 8am maybe i had texting on idk
Jun 18 19:31:38 <mikeDOTd> i had an issue where an EAS process wouldn't exit, which prevented the power daemon from enabling sleep mode (consequently draining the battery in record time)
Jun 18 19:32:04 <mikeDOTd> ultimately i had to delete and re-create the mail account on the pre
Jun 18 19:32:13 <mikeDOTd> i bet it's going to be a common problem
Jun 18 19:32:19 <sloppyjm> maybe we could set the processor to use less power yet still b powerfull enough
Jun 18 19:32:22 <bpadalino|work> how did you figure out it it was EAS ?
Jun 18 19:32:32 <mikeDOTd> watching /var/log/messages
Jun 18 19:32:44 <mikeDOTd> (go standard syslog!)
Jun 18 19:33:28 <bpadalino|work> hehe
Jun 18 19:34:54 <bsiegel> bpadalino: how's precomd coming out of curiosity?
Jun 18 19:36:38 <bpadalino|work> bsiegel, i pushed it up to gitorious ..
Jun 18 19:36:41 <bpadalino|work> it compiles ..
Jun 18 19:36:46 <bpadalino|work> and gets into the nop mode
Jun 18 19:36:57 <bpadalino|work> i've started writing/documenting what i've found about the protocol
Jun 18 19:37:23 <bpadalino|work> git location is here: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd
Jun 18 19:38:01 <bpadalino|work> i'll see what i can do later tonight possibly depending on how ambitious i get ..
Jun 18 19:38:07 <Rick_> if you really need more battery, you might try this...   http://www.amazon.com/Javoedge-High-Capacity-Portable-Battery/dp/B000N63AC6
Jun 18 19:38:11 <bpadalino|work> it should work for any system that has libusb installed and linkable ..
Jun 18 19:38:15 <Rick_> it'll power a pre for about a week.
Jun 18 19:39:47 <bsiegel> sounds like good progress :)
Jun 18 19:40:09 <Kaerey> KSDLFKJSL:DJFL:KSD why can't I find where the reference to notification.wav is hard coded.
Jun 18 19:41:22 <bpadalino|work> bsiegel, well - it's OK ..
Jun 18 19:41:43 <destinal> another handy thing for getting more battery when away from power is MintyBoost:  http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/
Jun 18 19:41:55 <bpadalino|work> i found out some stuff late last night .. and didn't change the structures yet
Jun 18 19:42:01 <destinal> uses AA's
Jun 18 19:42:09 <bpadalino|work> things like figuring out if we're connected over usb to castle-linux or castle-bootie
Jun 18 19:43:15 <bsiegel> bpadalino: I'm reading your protocol doc now, excellent sleuthing
Jun 18 19:45:01 <seekis> still having trouble ssh'ing over wifi
Jun 18 19:45:04 <seekis> any suggestions
Jun 18 19:46:45 <Kaerey> if anyone can find where the reference to notification.wav is hard coded for the alerts and notifications, I have the rest of the front end done to select new files and edits to the sounds and alerts app. But I can't override notification.wav yet
Jun 18 19:49:02 <bpadalino|work> bsiegel, neat - let me know if you have comments
Jun 18 19:50:42 <roxfan> Kaerey: i see it in /etc/palm/defaultPreferences.txt
Jun 18 19:50:58 <Kaerey> that's for the initial setting of preferences.
Jun 18 19:51:18 <Kaerey> it has a setting for ringtone as well but we can change that
Jun 18 19:51:59 <Kaerey> I need to find what that file is setting
Jun 18 19:53:41 <bpadalino|work> usually in /var the preferences are stored
Jun 18 19:55:34 <jblebrun> Kaerey: /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db
Jun 18 19:55:47 <jblebrun> SELECT notificationtone FROM Preferences
Jun 18 19:55:56 <bsiegel> bpadalino: It sounds like you have opened the tty successfully?
Jun 18 19:56:06 <Kaerey> Sweet! I can work from that
Jun 18 19:56:16 <giovani|work> anyone looked into doing xmpp/jabber on the pre?  I know it uses libpurple, and google talk is just a specific jabber server
Jun 18 19:56:22 <Kaerey> I've been searching the webOS image and it's not there.
Jun 18 19:56:41 <jblebrun> Kaerey: Yeah, I had to go to my actual phone to find it
Jun 18 19:57:06 <bpadalino|work> bsiegel, not quite yet - i've opened into the NOP sequence ...
Jun 18 19:57:14 <bpadalino|work> i think they call it the "null" sequence
Jun 18 19:57:20 <bpadalino|work> then there is control and data
Jun 18 19:57:26 <bpadalino|work> and pmux data as well
Jun 18 19:59:09 <Darth_Pooh> hola all
Jun 18 19:59:34 <Kaerey> ok thanks jblebrun I got meetings all afternoon but when I get home I'll get to work on this.
Jun 18 20:01:46 <shades> anyword on ssl?
Jun 18 20:02:01 <shades> how do you release something like WEBos with out ssl?
Jun 18 20:03:20 <jblebrun> For webOS explorers who like to tweak things: http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas
Jun 18 20:06:21 <seekis> my ssh is not working
Jun 18 20:06:25 <seekis> any way to fix
Jun 18 20:06:27 <seekis> ?
Jun 18 20:08:22 <seekis> ill take that as a no...
Jun 18 20:09:24 <goatslacker> seekis, what's not working?
Jun 18 20:09:37 <jblebrun> seekis: In general, "My <x> is not working, how do I fix it" is not going to result in many answers.
Jun 18 20:10:17 <seekis> when i try to ssh into my pre i get 'Connection refused'
Jun 18 20:10:57 <seekis> im new to linux and i can not figure out why it stopped working
Jun 18 20:11:16 <seekis> i am on same network
Jun 18 20:11:18 <seekis> i have current ip
Jun 18 20:11:20 <jblebrun> seekis: So you did have it working at some point?
Jun 18 20:11:22 <seekis> and i have started the ssh
Jun 18 20:11:25 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 20:11:30 <seekis> it worked before reboot
Jun 18 20:11:33 <jblebrun> seekis: Are you connecting to the correct port?
Jun 18 20:11:39 <seekis> i re initiallized and still nothing
Jun 18 20:11:40 <hemna> is the port open to accept connections?
Jun 18 20:11:42 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 20:11:44 <jblebrun> seekis: Did you add the event.d script?
Jun 18 20:11:47 <seekis> yes
Jun 18 20:12:18 <jrgutier> hmm, does anyone know where Classic stores the trial start date? I'm trying to see if I can modify it to reset the trial.
Jun 18 20:12:21 <hemna> http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/dude-hardwires-palm-touchstone-into-bmw-charging-ensues/
Jun 18 20:12:45 <jblebrun> jrgutier: That would be a violation of user agreement, so it's not appropriate to discuss here.
Jun 18 20:12:56 <jrgutier> ok, sorry.
Jun 18 20:12:59 <jblebrun> No problem
Jun 18 20:13:46 <jblebrun> If you want some more background, check out: http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy
Jun 18 20:15:23 <jblebrun> Ok, "violation of user agreement" was probably not the correct phrase.
Jun 18 20:21:25 <shades> hey so let me get this right
Jun 18 20:21:31 <shades> it's easier to do this in linux than windows?
Jun 18 20:21:39 <shades> and or *need* linux to do the teathering?
Jun 18 20:21:52 <shades> it's like my dream come truew, i can drop this xp/vista like alead weight
Jun 18 20:22:39 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 18 20:23:47 <jblebrun> Hi rwhitby
Jun 18 20:23:55 <EvanPro_> hello all
Jun 18 20:26:10 <jblebrun> Hi EvanPro
Jun 18 20:27:18 <jrgutier> anyone try to install Windows XP via Bochs?
Jun 18 20:27:42 <nebula> heh
Jun 18 20:27:48 <nebula> tried win95
Jun 18 20:27:55 <nebula> couldn't get bochs to go
Jun 18 20:28:12 <mikeDOTd> jrgutier: yeah, it can be done.  you're probably better off using virtualbox though.
Jun 18 20:28:49 <jrgutier> hope optware has a package alraedy
Jun 18 20:29:04 <jrgutier> if not, i'm gonna have to install debian
Jun 18 20:29:16 <jrgutier> or setup a cross compiler
Jun 18 20:33:18 <rwhitby> benklop: nice blog article
Jun 18 20:33:26 <hemna> I'd love an adblock/flashblock feature for the Pre browser
Jun 18 20:33:29 <hemna> it needs it
Jun 18 20:35:13 <jblebrun> hemna: Well you've already got flashblock ;-)
Jun 18 20:35:24 <mikeDOTd> heh
Jun 18 20:35:29 <hemna> heh
Jun 18 20:36:39 <jblebrun> hemna: You can get adblock like behavior by playwith with /etc/hosts
Jun 18 20:37:07 <hemna> yah poor mans adblock I suppose
Jun 18 20:37:10 <retry> the pre browser needs to be firefox instead of failkit
Jun 18 20:37:22 <retry> i tried to use mibbit the other day
Jun 18 20:37:23 <hemna> I just need to go to work at Palm and add all the cool shit that's missing
Jun 18 20:37:41 <retry> and failkit didn't render the form page right and the go button was not visible
Jun 18 20:37:50 <hemna> retry, I'd love to use FF, but it's a beast in size and ram usage
Jun 18 20:37:55 <retry> i know :/
Jun 18 20:37:56 <jblebrun> retry: It's not WebKit per se, just their broken implementation.
Jun 18 20:38:04 <retry> ah
Jun 18 20:38:13 <retry> it needs help
Jun 18 20:38:15 <jblebrun> Yes.
Jun 18 20:38:34 <retry> hey i got a question...if all these hacks require remounting the root fs rw and back to ro
Jun 18 20:38:38 <retry> how do the front end apps save changes?
Jun 18 20:38:54 <jblebrun> retry: user stuff is stored in /var
Jun 18 20:39:03 <retry> ok
Jun 18 20:39:03 <jterhune> retry: I don't believe /var is ro
Jun 18 20:39:15 <retry> yeah that is what I was thinking
Jun 18 20:39:26 <retry> i mean I typed mount and saw the way things were mounted
Jun 18 20:39:44 <retry> so a lotof the guides that say first mount the fs rw
Jun 18 20:39:44 <jblebrun> retry: mount seems to report incorrectly for me. It always shows / as (rw)
Jun 18 20:39:48 <jblebrun> Even when I remount it ro
Jun 18 20:39:57 <retry> well I get TWO entries for /
Jun 18 20:40:00 <retry> one that says rw
Jun 18 20:40:02 <retry> one says ro
Jun 18 20:40:37 <retry> as for /var being rw and / being ro sometimes it's confusing what with all the symlinks
Jun 18 20:40:47 <retry> like root is in /var/home/root
Jun 18 20:40:52 <retry> but if you cd back it is no longer /var
Jun 18 20:41:12 <seekis> hey for tap and drag, do i need to add drag command?
Jun 18 20:42:03 <jblebrun> seekis: Are you talking in the context of writing a webOS application?
Jun 18 20:42:15 <seekis> no
Jun 18 20:42:38 <seekis> im talking about enabling app menu and device menu dragging
Jun 18 20:42:57 <seekis> http://predev.wikidot.com/drag-menus
Jun 18 20:43:10 <seekis> i dont see anything about adding a drag command
Jun 18 20:43:29 <psykoz> it's in there, you need to copy the same lines that are tap
Jun 18 20:43:41 <psykoz> and paste them below themselves and edit tap to drag
Jun 18 20:43:46 <seekis> ok
Jun 18 20:43:51 <psykoz> that'll support both tap and drag... if you want just drag modify the lines from tap to drag
Jun 18 20:43:58 <jterhune> I'm getting Errno 10061 trying to root no matter what I try, anyone have a minute to try and help?
Jun 18 20:43:58 <psykoz> or wear a dress
Jun 18 20:44:02 <jblebrun> o_0
Jun 18 20:46:08 <jterhune> I'm on XP, no firewall or AV installed, windows firewall service stopped, novacom driver installed, running as an admin and I'm getting Errno 10061 actively refused connection
Jun 18 20:46:11 <o0zeno0o> Anyone tried the extended life battery?
Jun 18 20:46:43 <jblebrun> o0zeno0o: I've not yet. I want to wait for a bigger increase :-)
Jun 18 20:47:51 <o0zeno0o> So what's the current projects goin on?  anything especially exciting?
Jun 18 20:49:02 <jblebrun> I haven't heard anything lately.
Jun 18 20:49:05 <rwhitby> pEEf: no worries about last night.
Jun 18 20:50:23 <o0zeno0o> still no clues as to when to expect the sdk?
Jun 18 20:50:31 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby, which time zone are you in in australia, so i know when i google for "time in australia" i know which one to look at
Jun 18 20:50:35 <jterhune> anyone have any ideas? :(
Jun 18 20:51:00 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: GMT+9:30
Jun 18 20:51:00 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, sounds like your iptables is not setup properly ?
Jun 18 20:51:01 <retry> ping -n -1 [ip  of pre] this doesn't work to keep ssh going
Jun 18 20:51:09 <retry> phone still goes to sleep and powers off the wifi antenna
Jun 18 20:51:34 <o0zeno0o> I could really use a real terminal app..  ajaxphpterm works, but it's usefulness is kinda slim.
Jun 18 20:51:59 <jterhune> bpadalino, you mean on the pre? I haven't been able to root yet, so I can't do any iptables config
Jun 18 20:52:42 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, oh - so you are using novaproxy ?
Jun 18 20:53:24 <retry> however
Jun 18 20:53:24 <retry> initctl stop powerd
Jun 18 20:53:30 <retry> will stop the phone from powering down :D
Jun 18 20:53:34 <jterhune> bpadalino, I'm following the guide on http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting , I installed the novacom msi, python 2.6.2, and ran talk.py. It is throwing errno 10061, though, even though I have no firewall
Jun 18 20:53:48 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, your pre is connected up ?
Jun 18 20:54:07 <mikewx> jterhune: it doesn't work in win7, that could be a problem
Jun 18 20:54:13 <jterhune> bpadalino, via USB, currently in "Charge Only" mode
Jun 18 20:54:13 <rwhitby> Filefly: how's those novaproxy instructions coming along?
Jun 18 20:54:23 <jterhune> mikewx, I'm currently on XP after it failed on win7
Jun 18 20:54:23 <bpadalino|work> i think jterhune is using xp he said
Jun 18 20:54:51 <mikewx> does your pre show up in device manager?
Jun 18 20:55:12 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, also - is your device in dev mode ?
Jun 18 20:55:49 <jterhune> bpadalino, yes, I switched it on and it rebooted, shows up in device manager as "Palm Novacom" under the category "Palm Novacom Modules"
Jun 18 20:56:03 <mikewx> that's good
Jun 18 20:56:15 <seekis> has anyone had any issues with the usb port not responding?
Jun 18 20:57:10 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, sounds like things are good so far
Jun 18 20:57:22 <steviebuns> seekis: what do you mean, it won't go into USB/Media mode?
Jun 18 20:57:40 <seekis> nothing happens when i plug in the usb line
Jun 18 20:57:48 <bpadalino|work> yowza
Jun 18 20:57:48 <seekis> i just enabled drag menus
Jun 18 20:57:52 <sloppyjm> How do i edit the txt files to do the messaging modifacations
Jun 18 20:58:07 <tiv> Good day everyone.
Jun 18 20:58:10 <bpadalino|work> these are good questions to go into a FAQ
Jun 18 20:58:12 <jterhune> bpadalino, so any idea what is throwing the error?
Jun 18 20:58:16 <steviebuns> seekis: in that case, no - haven't had that problem
Jun 18 20:58:21 <seekis> aw dang
Jun 18 20:58:39 <jterhune> bpadalino, do I need to be in media sync or usb mode instead of charge mode?
Jun 18 20:58:43 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, yeah - probably python is throwing the error ... apparently it can't connect to the novacomd
Jun 18 20:58:59 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, any of those modes should work for this
Jun 18 20:58:59 <jterhune> bpadalino, should I be using a version other than 2.6.2?
Jun 18 20:59:01 <seekis> phew
Jun 18 20:59:03 <seekis> its working now
Jun 18 20:59:11 <sloppyjm> us python 2.5.4
Jun 18 20:59:11 <bpadalino|work> i've heard 2.6.2 is ok .. just not 3
Jun 18 20:59:14 <sloppyjm> thats what i used
Jun 18 20:59:20 <bpadalino|work> 2.5.4 sounds good too
Jun 18 20:59:27 <jterhune> bpadalino, alternatively, is there a linux root path? I'll grab 2.5.4 to try
Jun 18 20:59:31 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, do you want to paste the WHOLE ERROR you're getting to the web ?
Jun 18 20:59:32 <mikewx> i used 2.6.2
Jun 18 20:59:35 <bpadalino|work> webos.pastebin.com ?
Jun 18 20:59:50 <sloppyjm> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.4/
Jun 18 21:01:03 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use for editor help
Jun 18 21:01:37 <bpadalino|work> someone should probably make a wiki entry that is titled "How to ask a question" - so we can get all the details up front without going through the troubleshooting guide
Jun 18 21:02:14 <rwhitby> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html has just been released ...
Jun 18 21:02:38 <jterhune> bpadalino, http://webos.pastebin.com/d2994be8b
Jun 18 21:03:04 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby - ooh, nice
Jun 18 21:03:07 <bpadalino|work> ooh, dbus patches!
Jun 18 21:03:07 <lars1> wow: http://opensource.palm.com/
Jun 18 21:03:24 <sloppyjm> THANKS RWHITBY
Jun 18 21:03:30 <jblebrun> nice
Jun 18 21:03:40 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: thank Palm, not me :-)
Jun 18 21:04:25 <jq58yg> http://opensource.palm.com/
Jun 18 21:04:26 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, yeah - it looks like novacomd is not running on port 6968
Jun 18 21:04:53 <jterhune> bpadalino, let me do a netstat real quick
Jun 18 21:05:11 <destinal> sweet
Jun 18 21:06:15 <jterhune> bpadalino, it doesn't look like I have anything listening on 6968... how do I fix that?
Jun 18 21:06:37 <destinal> webos includes a native CIFS client?
Jun 18 21:06:54 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, unplug your pre and plug it back in .. or make sure novacomd is running ..
Jun 18 21:07:02 <jq58yg> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 18 21:07:14 <jterhune> bpadalino, is novacomd a service?
Jun 18 21:07:50 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, you should see it running as a process in your process manager
Jun 18 21:07:55 <bpadalino|work> task manager
Jun 18 21:08:18 <jblebrun> Now I really want an LP8501 datasheet.
Jun 18 21:08:24 <jterhune> bpadalino, I don't, where does it install to so that I can relaunch it?
Jun 18 21:08:55 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, i don't know - i don't have a windows machine at my disposal with it installed .. did you install the service from the .msi ?
Jun 18 21:09:08 <jterhune> bpadalino, yes, through the msi
Jun 18 21:09:14 <bpadalino|work> ah
Jun 18 21:10:42 <roxfan> jblebrun: looks like the driver is in the kernel patch set
Jun 18 21:11:49 <roxfan> config LEDS_LP8501
Jun 18 21:11:49 <roxfan>        tristate "LED Support for NS LP8501 controlled LEDs"
Jun 18 21:12:06 <jblebrun> roxfan: Yes, I know. That's why I want the datasheet.
Jun 18 21:12:10 <jterhune> bpadalino, victory! that was it. Thanks so much for the help
Jun 18 21:13:01 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, you're welcome - and congrats
Jun 18 21:14:36 <deesugar> So anyone know how to remove openssh on the Pre? I accidently installed both and want to safely remove it.
Jun 18 21:15:10 <jblebrun> I want to reprogram that bugger
Jun 18 21:15:23 <rwhitby> deesugar: log in via telnet or novaterm, ipkg-opt remove openssh, remove the upstart script.
Jun 18 21:16:05 <bpadalino|work> did you see - they open sourced some of their components
Jun 18 21:16:08 <bpadalino|work> palmipc being one of them
Jun 18 21:16:41 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: too busy mirroring the whole set at the moment
Jun 18 21:16:46 <bpadalino|work> hehe
Jun 18 21:17:03 <deesugar> rwhitby you the man, thanks!
Jun 18 21:17:05 <jblebrun> rwhitby: thanks :-)
Jun 18 21:17:30 <deesugar> Anyone found out where NAI is? Why has it been so hard to enable it?
Jun 18 21:17:31 <sloppyjm> ok i screw somethign up
Jun 18 21:17:39 <sloppyjm> um i changed a t to a l
Jun 18 21:17:45 <sloppyjm> how do i fix
Jun 18 21:18:25 <jterhune> bpadalino, I may have spoke too soon.... talk.py executes, but I can't telnet in
Jun 18 21:18:33 <sloppyjm> Nmv that hahaha
Jun 18 21:18:53 <dug> has anyone had any luck finding a verizon prl?
Jun 18 21:19:53 <rwhitby> dug: please read http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy
Jun 18 21:20:00 <dug> gotcha...
Jun 18 21:20:29 <deesugar> Dug http://www.corolada.com/prl/ for latest
Jun 18 21:20:52 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, interesting ..
Jun 18 21:20:57 <deesugar> Oops sorry rwhitby
Jun 18 21:21:01 <dug> deesugar:  thanks
Jun 18 21:21:22 <jterhune> bpadalino, should I try over bluetooth PAN instead of wifi?
Jun 18 21:22:36 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, i don't think you understand what's happening ..
Jun 18 21:22:39 <jterhune> bpadalino, I got it. Ignore previous question :)
Jun 18 21:22:45 <bpadalino|work> jterhune, oh - ok
Jun 18 21:26:44 <bpadalino|work> ha, the only changes to wireless_tools was to change the man page installation :P
Jun 18 21:26:48 <mdklein_> nice, cy8mrln driver decently commented
Jun 18 21:27:55 <bpadalino|work> is that the cypress device driver for the touch screen ?
Jun 18 21:28:14 <mdklein_> yep
Jun 18 21:28:51 <bpadalino|work> neato
Jun 18 21:29:02 <destinal> anyone notice the vpnc code in the OSS release?  is there some way to set up a VPN connection in webos?
Jun 18 21:29:30 <mdklein_> I wish that hidd would be opened up, I'm interested in those sockets too :-/
Jun 18 21:29:38 <bpadalino|work> i'd like someone to profile the boot process and see what takes so long
Jun 18 21:30:17 <bpadalino|work> someone should also write a dbus sniffer which will iterate over the dbus connections, and find all the methods available to us
Jun 18 21:30:24 <bpadalino|work> it would probably be VERY VERY helpful
Jun 18 21:30:46 <bpadalino|work> qdbus does this - but needs to be compiled
Jun 18 21:32:40 <rwhitby> Full set of files from the palm opensource site is 164MB.
Jun 18 21:33:02 <bpadalino|work> not too bad
Jun 18 21:33:15 <mdklein_> LunaSysMgr takes like a 45secs-minute to start up for me... the kernel is pretty quick to boot
Jun 18 21:33:46 <bpadalino|work> so it's all in luna, huh ?
Jun 18 21:33:54 <bpadalino|work> run oprofile on luna and see what the hog is
Jun 18 21:34:44 <jblebrun> bpadalino: There are dbus python bindings in optware, it might be easier to just write a simple python script
Jun 18 21:36:10 <jblebrun> bpadalino: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2007/6/13/dbus-introspection
Jun 18 21:36:14 <bpadalino|work> i tried using their java library - but it gave me a connection error :(
Jun 18 21:36:33 <jblebrun> Oh.
Jun 18 21:36:53 <Darth_Pooh> damn... lack of apps coupled with siriusxm streaming app on the iphone is making me twitch for the 3gs :/
Jun 18 21:37:16 <Darth_Pooh> need... games... to... validate... purchase...
Jun 18 21:37:34 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby would gladly purchase your pre for a heavily discounted price :P
Jun 18 21:37:35 <Darth_Pooh> stupid classic not working
Jun 18 21:38:00 <Darth_Pooh> bahaha, i wouldnt return mine... I'd just go and buy a 3gs. duh.
Jun 18 21:38:18 <bpadalino|work> ooohh
Jun 18 21:38:28 <Darth_Pooh> I'm a DINK.  Cash to burn
Jun 18 21:38:31 <Darth_Pooh> ;)
Jun 18 21:38:40 <destinal> Darth_Pooh: I'm guessing the pre will catch up and start to outrun the 3G pretty soon.
Jun 18 21:38:50 <Darth_Pooh> destinal, indeed... just making convo
Jun 18 21:39:13 <destinal> I just ported off my original ~2 year old 2g iphone
Jun 18 21:39:34 <destinal> seriously considered a 3gs before I saw webos-internals. :)
Jun 18 21:39:41 <Darth_Pooh> my 2g and 3g are just sitting over there on the shelf.
Jun 18 21:39:56 <bpadalino|work> so many phones
Jun 18 21:39:59 <rwhitby> ok, so we have the busybox config now ...
Jun 18 21:40:08 <Darth_Pooh> my Treo Pro and Pre are sitting in front of me.
Jun 18 21:40:08 <mdklein_> I'd consider an iphone if AT&T had 3g coverage here :-p
Jun 18 21:40:18 <jblebrun> Someone should fix that off-by-one busybox help issue ;-)
Jun 18 21:40:43 <mdklein_> I have too many phones too...
Jun 18 21:40:47 <Darth_Pooh> and somewhere in a drawer, I have about a dozen other phones just.... being there.
Jun 18 21:40:54 <sloppyjm> md wanna send me some
Jun 18 21:40:55 <bpadalino|work> they're using cairo - which is interesting ..
Jun 18 21:41:00 <sloppyjm> jk hahah
Jun 18 21:41:16 <rwhitby> eno: ping
Jun 18 21:41:18 <Darth_Pooh> mogul, apache, moto q's, treo's both wm and pos
Jun 18 21:41:30 <saurik> to any palm people: the opensource.palm.com dump of WebCore (LGPL) isn't complete; the "patch" was configured to just print "Only in" for new files
Jun 18 21:41:32 <rwhitby> eno: we've got the Pre kernel source, so we can now start making kernel modules for Optware.
Jun 18 21:41:35 <Darth_Pooh> I have an illness.
Jun 18 21:41:43 <mdklein_> for some reason everyone bitches about sprint, but it's like the best coverage in my area... first network with evdo here, never any problems...
Jun 18 21:42:12 <Darth_Pooh> same here for me... cept for the Pre and it's signal jumpiness
Jun 18 21:42:21 <AgentSmith> yeah one of sprint's old sales angles was good - "if it works where you do, who cares"
Jun 18 21:42:22 <Darth_Pooh> it's like bipolar
Jun 18 21:42:33 <AgentSmith> Darth_Pooh signal jumpiness could be the fault of too accurate a signal meter ;)
Jun 18 21:42:35 <jblebrun> The lp8501 is exciting me
Jun 18 21:42:37 <jblebrun> I have a LED fetish
Jun 18 21:42:43 <AgentSmith> most phones do these lame normalizing routines so users don't freak out at bouncing bars
Jun 18 21:42:43 <bpadalino|work> don't get too excited
Jun 18 21:42:45 <jblebrun> lp8501 driver, that is
Jun 18 21:42:47 <Darth_Pooh> agentsmith, damn it, I want LESS accurate!
Jun 18 21:42:52 <AgentSmith> haha
Jun 18 21:43:09 <rwhitby> kernel patch applies :-)
Jun 18 21:43:13 <bpadalino|work> AgentSmith, it's based on RSSI - which is silly for CDMA
Jun 18 21:43:17 <Darth_Pooh> actually, I think it is good in theory but bad on battery life as it strains itself a little too much
Jun 18 21:43:29 <AgentSmith> yeah EC/i0 would be a little more useful
Jun 18 21:43:33 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Maybe I'll fix some webkit rendering errors :-D
Jun 18 21:44:01 <Darth_Pooh> ive noticed some flickering of webkit... when pages refresh/reload
Jun 18 21:44:21 <Darth_Pooh> makes a beautiful screen all crapperific
Jun 18 21:44:35 <Darth_Pooh> (TM)
Jun 18 21:44:38 <rwhitby> arch/arm/mach-omap3pe
Jun 18 21:44:41 <AgentSmith> I'll know to ignore the RSSI readout then and remember somewhere under the hood it's looking at EC/i0 heehehe
Jun 18 21:44:46 <AgentSmith> if they ever swap my device
Jun 18 21:44:53 <destinal> awesome.  the more patches we push back upstream the happier palm should be that it went open source. :)
Jun 18 21:45:11 <Darth_Pooh> ETA on the next update?
Jun 18 21:45:22 <Darth_Pooh> end of this week or next possibly?
Jun 18 21:46:36 <Darth_Pooh> i need my damn calorie counting program on my phone too.
Jun 18 21:46:42 <Darth_Pooh> using google docs sucks
Jun 18 21:47:51 <jblebrun> rwhitby: It looks like the python dbus bindings in optware are compiled with diffrent settings than the actual interpreter, unless I'm missing something...
Jun 18 21:48:08 <sloppyjm> could we use iphone apps on our phoen some how like an iphone app emulator
Jun 18 21:48:10 <pullingj> hey recommend adding nano to the basic linux wiki page as an alternative to vi.
Jun 18 21:48:16 <rwhitby> jblebrun: dunno - ask eno
Jun 18 21:48:19 <Rick_> Back from an appointment.   Guys,  when someone trys to do the drag-menus and gets the whitebar at the top of the screen, it also causes the phone to not respond to plugging in the USB cable.  The USB action scripts (charge only etc) are in bar-assistant.js.
Jun 18 21:48:54 <Rick_> so, when you whitebar the phone, not only do you lose the bar, you lose USB functions.   Which is why it is VERY IMPORTANT to backup bar-assistant.js before modding it.
Jun 18 21:49:12 <Rick_> I noticed that happend to someone else about an hour ago....   (Seekis)
Jun 18 21:49:20 <rwhitby> arch/arm/mach-omap3pe/board-sirloin-3430.c has the good stuff
Jun 18 21:49:33 <destinal> sloppyjm: uh, theoretically, but it's a hard hack(TM)  -- i'd be more interested in a davlik jvm to run android apps in
Jun 18 21:49:41 <bpadalino|work> meaty
Jun 18 21:49:58 <sloppyjm> oh ok
Jun 18 21:50:14 <destinal> mainly because it's a lot more practical
Jun 18 21:50:47 <sloppyjm> well i dnt knwo much about android
Jun 18 21:50:55 <sloppyjm> neither coding so yeha
Jun 18 21:52:12 <rwhitby> Seven revs of the phone before production ...
Jun 18 21:52:24 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby, where di dyou find that info ?
Jun 18 21:52:34 <destinal> sloppyjm: even if they were the same ARM processor (don't know about that) you'd need something like a WINE to handle all the library calls, and then stuff that talks to native iphone specific hardware would break.  running an actual iphone emulator inside the phone, even considering the effort of writing one, would be painfully slow
Jun 18 21:53:10 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: arch/arm/mach-omap3pe/board-sirloin-3430.c, line 144
Jun 18 21:53:17 <bpadalino|work> interesting
Jun 18 21:53:35 <rwhitby> well, seven revs that they cared enough about to specify a boardtype.
Jun 18 21:54:23 <rwhitby> modem is on uart1
Jun 18 21:55:16 <rwhitby> keyboard is on i2c, maxim7359
Jun 18 21:55:31 <stefan_schmidt> rwhitby: modem is also on usb
Jun 18 21:55:36 * stefan_schmidt guesses for data
Jun 18 21:56:03 * rwhitby agrees
Jun 18 21:56:14 <stefan_schmidt> MODULE_PARM_DESC(use_qc, "Use Qualcomm modem emulation, 0=no, 1=yes, default=yes");
Jun 18 21:56:37 <stefan_schmidt> Ha, so you can indeed switch between the quallcom binary protocol and the AT emulation
Jun 18 21:57:06 * rwhitby wonders what "optical slider" is, on gpio 137
Jun 18 21:57:17 <stefan_schmidt> Sadly no dual port ram setup. This will not help me for my qualcomm modem at the omnia
Jun 18 21:58:50 <bpadalino|work> oh look .. a .wakeup in the structure
Jun 18 21:58:56 <bpadalino|work> for volumeup and down
Jun 18 21:59:04 <rwhitby> leds chip changed from maxim8831 to lp8501 during development ...
Jun 18 22:01:13 <bpadalino|work> oh, it's already 6pm
Jun 18 22:01:17 <bpadalino|work> i should probably leave work
Jun 18 22:01:57 <bpadalino|work> hehe -- i like the phone ascii art
Jun 18 22:02:20 * rwhitby guesses the video out from omap is available somewhere on the board for when they did the Palm demos - the kernel has support for it
Jun 18 22:03:50 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby, are you writing up notes for the wiki ?
Jun 18 22:04:26 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: nope, I'm a bad example.
Jun 18 22:04:30 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 18 22:04:57 <sloppyjm> Whats it mean when it says comment out lines
Jun 18 22:05:05 <stefan_schmidt> 957 files changed, 328390 insertions(+), 4556 deletions(-) Now that is a _big_ patch
Jun 18 22:05:20 <stefan_schmidt> Well, with all the TI, nokia and KGDB stuff included
Jun 18 22:05:27 <rwhitby> stefan_schmidt: looks like it contains a generic omap3 patch in it
Jun 18 22:05:52 <rwhitby> it will be good to work out which omap3 patch has been included and separate out the palm mods
Jun 18 22:06:45 <stefan_schmidt> rwhitby: It will be no fun work I would say. How much patches are already mainline since .24 and how much did they change? :)
Jun 18 22:07:32 <sloppyjm> When it says comment out lines whats that mena
Jun 18 22:07:41 <bpadalino|work> home time
Jun 18 22:08:13 <jblebrun> bpadalino: the IRC logs are notes :-P
Jun 18 22:08:16 <deesugar> So I tried to remove OpenSSH but when I use "ipkg-opt remove openssh" I get a "not found" but I can see all the openssh directories. Anyone??
Jun 18 22:08:31 * stefan_schmidt wonders what the way will be from here. Will Palm keep the process of code drops or will they try to form a community on a lower level then js/html/css apps
Jun 18 22:09:16 <sloppyjm> HELP someone
Jun 18 22:09:45 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: what google searches have you done to help yourself first?
Jun 18 22:10:08 <sloppyjm> Um well you guys ade the tutorial why not ask the source
Jun 18 22:10:10 <drnull> sloppyjm: come over to preguides, we can try to help you real quick.  These guys are diving into patch sources.
Jun 18 22:10:27 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: cause if 300 people ask the source, then the source stops working on new things
Jun 18 22:10:49 <rwhitby> sloppyjm: it's nothing personal, it's just time allocation that's all.
Jun 18 22:11:07 <rwhitby> drnull: thx
Jun 18 22:11:48 * rwhitby loves the guys in #preguides for what they are doing
Jun 18 22:12:18 <drnull> rwhitby: np, it'll free up the kernel nuts to have their fun in here.
Jun 18 22:12:58 <rwhitby> can someone please look for 'nduid' in /sys somewhere?
Jun 18 22:14:03 <sloppyjm> rwitby sorry for the bug
Jun 18 22:14:32 <rwhitby> hmm - they hard-code the atags in machine_fixup
Jun 18 22:16:04 <rwhitby> heh - last minute change on headset detect polarity :-)
Jun 18 22:16:19 <drnull> hehe, word of warning... don't execute "grep -Isri nduid ." from /sys
Jun 18 22:16:19 <rwhitby> well, maybe not last minute.
Jun 18 22:16:40 <stefan_schmidt> :( no kexec support
Jun 18 22:16:40 <drnull> pretty palm logo.
Jun 18 22:17:31 <rwhitby> can anyone confirm that the /proc/config.gz on the device matches arch/arm/configs/omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig ?
Jun 18 22:18:01 <rwhitby> alternatively, can someone pastebin an unzipped /proc/config.gz from their device?
Jun 18 22:18:47 <barlo> If I currently have dropbear for ssh installed using the orginal ipkg method (as per the orginal ssh instructions on the wiki), rather than via ipkg-opt, what is the best way to me to move to the new ipkg-opt method?
Jun 18 22:19:07 <eno> rwhitby: kernel source, that's great
Jun 18 22:19:21 <barlo> I'd basically like to reverse everything I did orginally via ipkg so that the next OTA update doesn't mess anything up.
Jun 18 22:19:56 <eno> barlo: /usr/bin/ipkg remove dropbear
Jun 18 22:20:46 <barlo> if I do that while connected to a SSH session, I'd lose the session correct? So I'd have to use novacomm/dev mode to go back and start over?
Jun 18 22:21:30 <rwhitby> barlo: best way is to reflash with the webOS Doctor and start from scratch
Jun 18 22:22:27 <barlo> rwhitby: I was afaird that would be the best way - but I guess the only things that aren't backed up on the Palm profile are the applications, right?  Everything else is backed up?
Jun 18 22:23:37 <rwhitby> barlo: dunno.  I don't have a Pre.  Check with others before doing it.
Jun 18 22:23:59 <sugardave> hmm, the ping -n -1 to keep the radio on seems to work for me....interesting that it doesn't for others
Jun 18 22:24:30 <barlo> rwhitby: ah, ok.  Thanks for the info, though.
Jun 18 22:25:38 <opie_> exit
Jun 18 22:25:42 <opie_> opps
Jun 18 22:25:43 <opie_> bye
Jun 18 22:25:44 <drnull> rwhitby: config.gz http://webos.pastebin.com/m1740e313
Jun 18 22:27:23 <rwhitby> drnull: that matches - thanks!
Jun 18 22:27:46 <rwhitby> eno: arch/arm/configs/omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig
Jun 18 22:27:58 <jblebrun> eno: I believe found a problem with one of the Optware packages. Do packages have maintainers, or should I just attempt to fix it myself?
Jun 18 22:28:23 <rwhitby> jblebrun: check the svn history at http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware
Jun 18 22:28:30 <eno> jblebrun: depends on the MAINTAINER field
Jun 18 22:28:55 <rwhitby> jblebrun: we'd be happy to give you commit access to fix it yourself.
Jun 18 22:29:03 <eno> if it's nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com, then all developers are free to fix
Jun 18 22:32:34 <stefan_schmidt> heh, with a diff -w the diff is indeed small :)
Jun 18 22:32:36 <stefan_schmidt> +CONFIG_OE_BUILD_INFO=y
Jun 18 22:32:36 <stefan_schmidt> +CONFIG_OE_BUILD_INFO_STRING="Submission 175.1.15."
Jun 18 22:32:49 * stefan_schmidt is happy to see OE used for the pre :)
Jun 18 22:33:50 <jblebrun> Ok, looks like it'll be me fixing it :-)
Jun 18 22:34:31 * rwhitby is hoping we'll get some fresh blood for Optware developers in this channel ...
Jun 18 22:37:40 <jblebrun> So if I need to recompile something, I should use the codesourcery 2008q1 toolchain, correct?
Jun 18 22:37:48 <jblebrun> (For this particular repo)
Jun 18 22:38:13 <rwhitby> jblebrun: assuming you're on Linux, we download the right toolchain
Jun 18 22:38:27 <rwhitby> jblebrun: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware
Jun 18 22:38:44 <rwhitby> yes, 2008q1 is what we are using
Jun 18 22:39:22 <jblebrun> Ok, great
Jun 18 22:39:51 <eno> jblebrun: 1) svn co ...; 2) cd optware; make cs08q1armel-target; 3) cd cs08q1armel; make directories ipkg-utils toolchain
Jun 18 22:39:58 <eno> 4) make hello-ipk
Jun 18 22:42:03 <hemna> techcrunch really hates anything !Apple
Jun 18 22:42:24 <hemna> they are pooh'ing all over the lack of downloads on the Pre app catalog
Jun 18 22:42:49 <jblebrun> TechCrunch is a giant pile of douchebaggery
Jun 18 22:43:18 <hemna> completely
Jun 18 22:43:34 <hemna> clearly fanboys of Apple
Jun 18 22:45:06 <hemna> their comparison is really lame
Jun 18 22:45:40 <jblebrun> eno: Fantastic. Thanks.
Jun 18 22:47:31 <bpadalino> hrm
Jun 18 22:48:42 <retry> techcrunch is a show for consumers
Jun 18 22:48:50 <retry> not a show for IT people
Jun 18 22:49:36 <bpadalino> i am still impressed with what palm has done in 18 months
Jun 18 22:49:57 * hemna agrees
Jun 18 22:52:37 <ShinAli> did we port doom 3 to the pre yet?
Jun 18 22:53:12 <jblebrun> I'm frustrated by the new Apple copy+paste
Jun 18 22:53:15 <jblebrun> It even copies pictures
Jun 18 22:53:17 <jblebrun> Grrrr.
Jun 18 22:54:54 <ShinAli> so thats a no, then
Jun 18 22:55:00 * ShinAli goes back to vegetate
Jun 18 22:55:22 <jblebrun> ShinAli: Get nebula to do it ;-)
Jun 18 22:57:15 <o0zeno0o> does android run X?
Jun 18 22:57:34 <o0zeno0o> or is also a custom gui
Jun 18 23:01:25 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 18 23:02:43 <Sargun_screen> it's also a custom gui of sorts
Jun 18 23:14:02 <bifflechips> after i've already configured dropbear to only accept connections over wifi, how do i go back and set it to allow connections over evdo?
Jun 18 23:14:17 <retry> you gotta mod the event script
Jun 18 23:14:27 <retry> bifflechips, join #preguides
Jun 18 23:14:33 <retry> we can talk about it there
Jun 18 23:14:48 <bifflechips> thank you :)
Jun 18 23:23:52 <Kaerey> quiet in here
Jun 18 23:24:45 * Lurking_Grue drops a pin.
Jun 18 23:24:51 <jblebrun> Kaerey: Everyone's scouring the Palm source patches :-)
Jun 18 23:25:05 <Lurking_Grue> Source patches?
Jun 18 23:25:16 <Lurking_Grue> Did I miss something today?
Jun 18 23:25:20 <abcdefg> how do i delete users from my phone? i am rooted in and i created alot of users by mistake
Jun 18 23:25:25 <jblebrun> They released their patches to open source code that's on the device.
Jun 18 23:25:31 <abcdefg> i tried userdel user
Jun 18 23:25:32 <Lurking_Grue> Ah!
Jun 18 23:25:35 <sugardave> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 18 23:26:59 <Lurking_Grue> Has anything interesting come out of it yet?
Jun 18 23:28:22 <jblebrun> wb, chrisa
Jun 18 23:28:43 <chrisa> Find yourself a datasheet yet?
Jun 18 23:29:08 <jblebrun> No :-(
Jun 18 23:29:11 <jblebrun> I haven't tried super hard
Jun 18 23:29:18 <nebula> datasheet for what
Jun 18 23:29:32 <nebula> i've got one for the power management chip that also handles audio
Jun 18 23:29:41 <jblebrun> nebula: the LP8501
Jun 18 23:29:42 <nebula> swcu052c.pdf
Jun 18 23:29:51 <nebula> which chip is that now?
Jun 18 23:30:00 <ShinAli> oh shit they finally released them??
Jun 18 23:30:05 <jblebrun> I think our hardware guy could make a legitimate request for it :-)
Jun 18 23:30:06 <ShinAli> eff yes
Jun 18 23:30:09 <jblebrun> nebula: LED controller
Jun 18 23:30:29 <jblebrun> nebula: It's got some microcode engines on for making little fade programs and whatnot.
Jun 18 23:30:49 <nebula> help me figure out a2dp ;)
Jun 18 23:31:10 <chrisa> I poked around, it sounds like drivers linked into the kernel will be released with the OSS stuff
Jun 18 23:32:08 <nebula> chrisa: tell damian k. to return my facebook message ;)
Jun 18 23:32:11 <nebula> heh
Jun 18 23:32:20 <jblebrun> chrisa: You talking about the patch code at opensource.palm.com?
Jun 18 23:32:24 <chrisa> It was hard enough for me to get him to return my emails
Jun 18 23:32:35 <nebula> lol, i guess i can forget that then ;)
Jun 18 23:32:39 <chrisa> jblebrun: yes, but I wasn't going to say it
Jun 18 23:33:27 <jblebrun> chrisa: Maybe someone could conveniently include all of the relevant datasheet info as code comments ;-)
Jun 18 23:33:52 <chrisa> You could just email NS and ask
Jun 18 23:34:06 <jblebrun> Yeah, I should just do that
Jun 18 23:34:12 <abcdefg> how do i delete users from my phone? i am rooted in and i created alot of users by mistake
Jun 18 23:34:14 <abcdefg> i tried userdel user
Jun 18 23:34:16 <jblebrun> We're actually working on a product that it could feasibly go in
Jun 18 23:35:00 <nebula> chrisa: did you do any work with PmBtEngine?
Jun 18 23:35:29 <chrisa> nope
Jun 18 23:35:31 <nebula> i'm trying to figure out the bitpool settings
Jun 18 23:35:58 <bdumm> chrisa is the janitor remember... :)
Jun 18 23:36:06 <nebula> ya
Jun 18 23:36:16 <barlo> Anyone that's run WebOS doctor have any idea why it wouldn't recognize my Pre?  It goes through the first couple screens and then prompts me to connect the Pre.  At that point it just sits there.  Windows is recognizing it as a usb device, though...
Jun 18 23:36:53 <retry> is the pre in dev mode?
Jun 18 23:36:59 <barlo> nope
Jun 18 23:37:10 <retry> hmm not sure if that matters though
Jun 18 23:37:17 <retry> cause if you eff it up, how can you get into dev mode
Jun 18 23:37:24 <barlo> the "next" button in the doctor just remains grey and disabled, even though it's connected via usb, and the battery is charged to 100%
Jun 18 23:37:36 <retry> try to unplug and replug
Jun 18 23:37:41 <retry> you may also simply try rebooting windows
Jun 18 23:37:47 <barlo> I've tried that, and rebooting :)
Jun 18 23:37:51 <retry> I had a prob when I first got the pre that the usb driver failed to recognize it
Jun 18 23:38:00 <retry> rebooting windows fixed that
Jun 18 23:38:21 <Lurking_Grue> Could delete it from device manager and try plugging it back in.
Jun 18 23:38:27 <barlo> I was thinking of maybe uninstalling the novacom driver that I had previously installed to initally root it?  But I'm guessing the doctor just automatically installs that driver when it runs..
Jun 18 23:38:41 <abcdefg> what is the command to remove users?
Jun 18 23:38:46 <retry> why are you trying to run the doctor?
Jun 18 23:38:51 <barlo> Lurking_Gure: that's one thing I haven't tried yet...let me see if it works
Jun 18 23:38:52 <retry> usedel
Jun 18 23:38:58 <retry> userdel*
Jun 18 23:39:06 <retry> but you probably don't have path set right abcdefg
Jun 18 23:39:06 <abcdefg> userdel doesn't work
Jun 18 23:39:11 <retry> so you need the full path to userdel
Jun 18 23:39:17 <retry> which is what? /sbin/userdel?
Jun 18 23:39:29 <barlo> retry: I want to reset everything back to the factory defaults since I had initalled rooted and installed ssh access using ipkg instead of ipkg-opt, and I don't want any problems when the next OTA comes through
Jun 18 23:39:33 <Lurking_Grue> Could just do it the dangrous way and vi /etc/passwd
Jun 18 23:39:47 <abcdefg> hmm
Jun 18 23:39:50 <abcdefg> let me try
Jun 18 23:39:57 <retry> heh vi /etc/passwd...that won't do much
Jun 18 23:40:30 <Lurking_Grue> Perhaps not the best advice.
Jun 18 23:40:58 <czarphanguye> how do you generate a pub/pri key pair using the pre?
Jun 18 23:41:51 <bdumm> keygen?
Jun 18 23:42:28 <rwhitby> czarphanguye: ipkg-opt files dropbear
Jun 18 23:42:35 <rwhitby> should be in there
Jun 18 23:43:10 <rwhitby> czarphanguye: please write a wiki page on how to do it, so the general security of Pre access can be improved
Jun 18 23:43:33 <czarphanguye> Ah. /opt/sbin/dropbearkey, ty
Jun 18 23:45:30 <czarphanguye> rwhitby: Ok
Jun 18 23:45:43 <abcdefg> how do i get to the path of userdel
Jun 18 23:45:50 <abcdefg> it's not /sbin/userdel
Jun 18 23:46:33 <rwhitby> abcdefg: type 'busybox', and look for the correct command in there
Jun 18 23:47:23 <retry> rwhitby, security improved how?
Jun 18 23:47:42 <rwhitby> retry: less risk of poor passwords if people use ssh keys instead
Jun 18 23:47:52 <retry> hmm i guess
Jun 18 23:48:19 <rwhitby> retry: BTW, dropbear does scp and sftp fine, you don't need openssh for that (reading backlog from last night)
Jun 18 23:48:25 <retry> if you block ssh to ppp though shouldn't be too much
Jun 18 23:48:37 <retry> oh
Jun 18 23:48:45 <retry> what about proxying?
Jun 18 23:49:01 <abcdefg> userdel doesn't show up there
Jun 18 23:49:08 <abcdefg> might it be "rm"?
Jun 18 23:49:14 <rwhitby> dropbear does port forwarding if that's what you mean.
Jun 18 23:49:16 <retry> no rm is for files
Jun 18 23:49:24 <retry> hmm
Jun 18 23:49:31 <retry> so what's the tradeoff with dropbear then
Jun 18 23:49:54 <rwhitby> retry: the only one I know of is authentication agent forwarding on the outbound client side
Jun 18 23:50:39 <mike_wx> can one of you linux-y gods answer a question for me when you have a few minutes. My new Pre is at the store waiting for me to pick it up tomorrow, can I just dd my root filesystem and then after i do setup and root the new one dd-restore it?
Jun 18 23:50:57 <mike_wx> and if so, what might my command line look like? :)
Jun 18 23:51:18 <rwhitby> mike_w: what will you be booted with while you've got the rootfs unmounted to do the dd?
Jun 18 23:51:24 <sugardave> I was wondering about partimage myself...
Jun 18 23:51:26 <lmickdougas> Hello
Jun 18 23:51:42 <lmickdougas> on the PaulDotCom podcast NOW -- getting ready to talk about Pre hacking!
Jun 18 23:51:54 <rwhitby> without an alternate boot device, it's pretty hard to dd to the rootfs
Jun 18 23:51:54 <retry> mike_wx, you're not rooting it, you're just setting it up with ssh so you can easily connect to the shell without having to do all the dev steps
Jun 18 23:52:13 <retry> if you want to back it up, just tarball it
Jun 18 23:52:33 <lmickdougas> wanted to say thanks everyone for all the helps and such
Jun 18 23:52:50 <retry> also you have to 'root' it before you could dd it anyway
Jun 18 23:52:52 <mike_wx> retry: true
Jun 18 23:53:01 <barlo> Okay, so it seems that in order for me to get webos doctor to work I had to remove Novacom, put the pre into dev mode, then restart the doctor and allow it to reinstall Novacom again - then everything worked perfectly.
Jun 18 23:53:05 <retry> it's really nothing like rooting an iphone
Jun 18 23:53:12 <retry> this is not a crack ....at all
Jun 18 23:53:16 <mike_wx> if I tar the root fs though I'll get the mounts like /media/internal though no?
Jun 18 23:53:23 <retry> you can use --exclude
Jun 18 23:53:33 <retry> actually the tar on busybox is incredibly limited it seems
Jun 18 23:53:37 <retry> but it should support --exclude
Jun 18 23:53:39 <barlo> It wouldn't make much sense for the pre to need to be in dev mode to use webos doctor though...very strange
Jun 18 23:53:45 <jblebrun> What would be the issue with dd-ing a volume mounted as read only?
Jun 18 23:53:56 <rwhitby> retry: can always ipkg-opt install tar for a real one
Jun 18 23:53:58 <retry> not everything is mounted ro
Jun 18 23:54:09 <retry> yeah rwhitby, I was thinking that
Jun 18 23:54:17 <rwhitby> jblebrun: you don't want to dd to a running partition
Jun 18 23:54:27 <mike_wx> ah
Jun 18 23:54:37 <rwhitby> jblebrun: oh, I see / is normally read-only.  hmmm.
Jun 18 23:54:47 <rwhitby> jblebrun: ya know that might just work
Jun 18 23:54:49 <mike_wx> would /media/internal be all that I would want to exclude then?
Jun 18 23:54:56 <retry> hell no
Jun 18 23:55:00 <retry> you'd want to exclude /dev
Jun 18 23:55:04 <retry> and /proc
Jun 18 23:55:09 <retry> at probably a few other things
Jun 18 23:55:15 <retry> the in memory file systems too
Jun 18 23:55:20 <jblebrun> Are there any writes to something mounted ro,noatime ?
Jun 18 23:55:23 <retry> /tmp is mounted to ram
Jun 18 23:55:35 <rwhitby> abcdefg: there is no command for deleting users on the Pre - you have to do it manually using vi I'm afraid.
Jun 18 23:55:35 <retry> jblebrun, how could there be?
Jun 18 23:55:50 <jblebrun> That's what I was asking :-)
Jun 18 23:55:51 <rwhitby> abcdefg: you should be able to find stuff on Google about /etc/passwd
Jun 18 23:56:06 <retry> wow no userdel ?
Jun 18 23:56:14 <abcdefg> let me try
Jun 18 23:56:15 <rwhitby> not in busybox on the Pre.
Jun 18 23:56:22 <retry> can you install it from opt?
Jun 18 23:56:26 <rwhitby> sure
Jun 18 23:56:36 <retry> will it work on the root system though?
Jun 18 23:56:46 <retry> or will it attempt to use /opt/etc and so forth?
Jun 18 23:56:53 <rwhitby> UTSL :-)
Jun 18 23:57:02 <retry> eh?
Jun 18 23:57:15 <rwhitby> (dunno of the top of my head, Use The Source, Luke.)
Jun 18 23:57:21 <retry> oh
Jun 18 23:57:57 <jblebrun> rwhitby: /win 10
Jun 18 23:57:59 <jblebrun> oops
Jun 18 23:58:01 <jblebrun> :-)
Jun 18 23:58:10 <mike_wx> so I prolly can't do that for backup/restore than is what i'm gathering :(
Jun 18 23:58:41 <rwhitby> mike_w: tarball /var/opt, and use quilt for other source mods in the future.
Jun 18 23:58:57 <mike_wx> quilt?
Jun 19 00:00:00 <rwhitby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilt_(software)
Jun 19 00:01:33 <linuxkidd> Howdy gents
Jun 19 00:01:57 <mike_wx> thank you rwhitby
Jun 19 00:02:18 <eno> you can also install git, hg, or bzr on the device
Jun 19 00:02:24 <Kaerey> I DID IT!!! I DID IT!!! File Picking from within Sounds and Alerts App for "Alerts" and "Notifications"
Jun 19 00:02:28 <rwhitby> mike_wx: we're considering using quilt for distributing and applying source level patches to the Palm code
Jun 19 00:02:28 <abcdefg> everthing was about vipw
Jun 19 00:02:33 <jblebrun> Kaerey: Wiki page!
Jun 19 00:02:36 <Kaerey> My first solo-ish hack
Jun 19 00:02:38 <abcdefg> couldn't find anything on vi
Jun 19 00:02:43 <jblebrun> Kaerey: Rock on!
Jun 19 00:02:49 <Kaerey> jblebrun.. you're the -ish
Jun 19 00:02:57 <abcdefg> what if i run vi /etc/passwd
Jun 19 00:02:59 <abcdefg> ?
Jun 19 00:03:05 <retry> Kaerey, now for the real fun part: the wiki write up
Jun 19 00:03:29 <sugardave> me, too!
Jun 19 00:03:36 <sugardave> irssi, though
Jun 19 00:04:08 <Kaerey> no shit. it's not too hard, but I would never try and do it in VI
Jun 19 00:06:59 <opie_> what are people using for sftp on osx, anything like winscp around?
Jun 19 00:07:17 <linuxkidd> Kaerey: Awesome!  you just saved me the work...
Jun 19 00:07:21 <linuxkidd> That's what I was gonna work on tonight
Jun 19 00:07:26 <pullingj> sftp maybe?
Jun 19 00:07:27 <Kaerey> ahh damn it email sounds and text sounds are still the same
Jun 19 00:07:28 <linuxkidd> Have you updated the Wiki yet?
Jun 19 00:07:32 <Kaerey> .. but at least I can pick it.
Jun 19 00:07:43 <linuxkidd> ya.. there's no difference between the two in the references of the OS
Jun 19 00:07:53 <rwhitby> opie_: does osx do sshfs:// ?
Jun 19 00:08:14 <FINiK-> opie_: try cyberduck : http://cyberduck.ch/
Jun 19 00:08:24 <pullingj> isn't sftp installed with openssh? or whatever osx has installed?
Jun 19 00:08:36 <linuxkidd> yes.. sftp and scp are both operational with OS X
Jun 19 00:09:08 <linuxkidd> at least from the command line
Jun 19 00:11:37 <Kaerey> linuxkidd when you do your changes via ssh what sound is played when you 1) charge/touchstone 2) recieve text and 3) recieve email. alerttone or notificationtone?
Jun 19 00:12:17 <linuxkidd> 2/3 -> notificationtone
Jun 19 00:12:19 <linuxkidd> checking 1 now
Jun 19 00:13:18 <Kaerey> hm.. I want seperate sounds for email and text.. time to work on that.
Jun 19 00:13:19 <linuxkidd> 1-> notificationtone
Jun 19 00:13:28 <linuxkidd> Agreed..
Jun 19 00:13:34 <Kaerey> then what triggers alerttone?
Jun 19 00:13:58 <linuxkidd> I'm guessing the warnings for stuff like when you connect to PAN and it says you're not allowed by sprint
Jun 19 00:14:08 <Kaerey> ahh. good call.
Jun 19 00:14:12 <linuxkidd> Or, maybe the notice of low battery... etc
Jun 19 00:14:44 <linuxkidd> Kaerey: You got that mod write up yet for full browse of alert/notification tone?
Jun 19 00:14:47 <linuxkidd> lol
Jun 19 00:15:45 <Kaerey> not written up yet. modding my wife's phone. I ignored her enough last night that she was bitching at me "well if you finally got it done.. fix mine"
Jun 19 00:15:56 <linuxkidd> ROFL
Jun 19 00:15:58 <linuxkidd> nice
Jun 19 00:16:04 <linuxkidd> So, as you do it.. write it up.. LOL
Jun 19 00:20:13 <jwsh> careful Kaerey, she might read the logs
Jun 19 00:20:21 <jwsh> :)
Jun 19 00:21:30 <Kaerey> LOL at least I can somewhat raid in peace tonight. my guild got a little pissed when I missed almost every single ready check cause I was searching code and writing shit last night
Jun 19 00:23:00 <opie_> lets see
Jun 19 00:23:14 <opie_> sshfs, so what can i just mount it or something?
Jun 19 00:26:20 <ShinAli> is there a program where i can look at the original files and the patched version of the files at the same time?
Jun 19 00:26:33 <ShinAli> for OSX, anyways
Jun 19 00:27:04 <linuxkidd> diff ... or some variant there of
Jun 19 00:27:47 <sugardave> or, more barbarically, two editor windows side-by-side?
Jun 19 00:28:05 <ShinAli> you're right, that is barbaric
Jun 19 00:28:12 <sugardave> or is that not something you can do with a Mac? :P
Jun 19 00:28:20 <linuxkidd> I'm sure there's a visual diff program for os x
Jun 19 00:36:55 <joesmith> hey can someone tell me how to send files via bluetooth?
Jun 19 00:39:02 <PreGame> whoever wrote that .pdf tips & tricks needs to redo it
Jun 19 00:39:09 <PreGame> Copy/Paste IS NOT [SYM] + C/X/V it is [Hold Gesture Area] + C/X/V.
Jun 19 00:39:37 <linuxkidd> Pre so far hasn't been enabled with OBEX which is required for sending file via bluetooth..
Jun 19 00:39:43 <linuxkidd> it DOES however support PAN
Jun 19 00:39:57 <linuxkidd> and w/ a rooted Pre, you can use SFTP or SCP to copy files via Bluetooth..
Jun 19 00:40:59 <joesmith> how does PAN work?
Jun 19 00:41:34 <linuxkidd> PAN is short for Personal Area Network
Jun 19 00:41:53 <linuxkidd> w/ bluetooth, you connect to that service, and from windows at least, they setup their own 10. network
Jun 19 00:42:06 <linuxkidd> So, you have an IP network running over bluetooth
Jun 19 00:42:14 <PreGame> Is there any Sprint reps in here?
Jun 19 00:42:25 <linuxkidd> hope not! LOL
Jun 19 00:42:29 <Binarytech> i work for sprint as a tech not a rep
Jun 19 00:42:34 <Binarytech> if that helps lol
Jun 19 00:42:35 <PreGame> if there was i would ban them
Jun 19 00:42:39 <linuxkidd> If there are... they should be taking notes.. :)
Jun 19 00:42:53 <linuxkidd> eh... we're all here to help out...
Jun 19 00:43:23 <PreGame> Sprint aholes sent me a AIRAVE and didn't activate the damn thing before shipping it like the manual says they are supposed to do
Jun 19 00:43:25 <linuxkidd> I'd be surprised if some of the code we change on the predev site doesn't end up in the next release
Jun 19 00:43:37 <PreGame> I don't have cell reception at my house so how am i supposed to activate the damn thing?
Jun 19 00:44:06 <PreGame> Activate a device that gives me reception from a phone that I do not have reception on... ironic eh?
Jun 19 00:44:15 <Binarytech> cant you call from a landline?
Jun 19 00:44:19 <PreGame> no
Jun 19 00:44:21 <PreGame> i don't have one
Jun 19 00:44:25 <PreGame> i use my cell phone
Jun 19 00:44:31 <joesmith> what is the purpose of pan
Jun 19 00:44:34 <PreGame> why do i need a land line when i have 1500 minutes
Jun 19 00:44:36 * bdumm chuckles
Jun 19 00:44:52 <bdumm> PreGame, well to call the oh nm.... :)
Jun 19 00:45:00 <PreGame> lol
Jun 19 00:45:02 <Binarytech> gonna have to use someones phone to get it active but yea they are supposed to activate it.
Jun 19 00:45:11 <Binarytech> someone shoul be fired
Jun 19 00:45:13 <Binarytech> lol
Jun 19 00:45:14 <PreGame> I need to order a land line for 20 minutes so i can activate something
Jun 19 00:45:25 <linuxkidd> Have Binarytech activate it for ya! :)
Jun 19 00:45:34 <PreGame> yea Binarytech
Jun 19 00:45:39 <PreGame> activate this damn thing
Jun 19 00:45:41 <bdumm> lol as if
Jun 19 00:45:46 <kreed> I have a question if anyone can help me about a python error for my pre
Jun 19 00:45:47 <Binarytech> i was thinking that also, it is just like a phone with an esc?
Jun 19 00:45:53 <Binarytech> esn*
Jun 19 00:45:56 <PreGame> kreed: go ahead
Jun 19 00:46:11 <PreGame> yea it says they just need the MAC
Jun 19 00:46:28 <PreGame> all my lights are blue except the system is flashing red
Jun 19 00:46:28 <kreed> I disabled my firewall, but I'm getting this error:
Jun 19 00:46:42 <linuxkidd> PreGame: You may want to do the rest of the activation process to private chat
Jun 19 00:46:47 <PreGame> kreed: Make sure you have the phone connected via usb and you have developer mode enabled
Jun 19 00:46:52 <kreed> C:\Documents and Settings\JJ\Desktop\Pyth>talk.py
Jun 19 00:46:53 <kreed> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 19 00:46:53 <kreed>   File "C:\Documents and Settings\JJ\Desktop\Pyth\talk.py", line 48, in <module>
Jun 19 00:46:53 <kreed>     port = getport()
Jun 19 00:46:53 <kreed>   File "C:\Documents and Settings\JJ\Desktop\Pyth\talk.py", line 27, in getport
Jun 19 00:46:53 <kreed>     return int(portnum)
Jun 19 00:46:55 <kreed> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 19 00:46:57 <kreed> C:\Documents and Settings\JJ\Desktop\Pyth>
Jun 19 00:46:57 <PreGame> OH GOD
Jun 19 00:46:59 <kreed> Sorry for the spam there
Jun 19 00:47:01 <kreed> I do have it enabled
Jun 19 00:47:07 <kreed> and I have it connected via usb
Jun 19 00:47:11 <PreGame> do you have novacom installed?
Jun 19 00:47:18 <PreGame> you ran the novacom.msi
Jun 19 00:47:24 <kreed> yes, I did that, but I didn't get any confirmation
Jun 19 00:47:30 <kreed> it just ran thn went away
Jun 19 00:47:33 <Binarytech> i only have access to the service and repair tools which will let me activate phones with an esn only for swapping purpose. i cant make changes to accounts sorry.
Jun 19 00:47:34 <PreGame> look in your services and make sure it is running
Jun 19 00:48:07 <linuxkidd> also check the 'Device Manager' for a 'Palm...' or 'Novacom..' device
Jun 19 00:48:16 <Binarytech> i can have it activated tommorrow at work though for sure. i'll have the sales guys do it
Jun 19 00:48:20 <kreed> Yup, its there in the processes
Jun 19 00:48:31 <PreGame> come back when you can activate my account :P
Jun 19 00:48:44 <linuxkidd> ouch
Jun 19 00:48:45 <linuxkidd> lol
Jun 19 00:48:53 <linuxkidd> :D
Jun 19 00:48:56 <Orion_PK> today I experienced something odd w/ the screen - a large portion of it went dark for a while
Jun 19 00:49:02 <Orion_PK> like a big dark blotch
Jun 19 00:49:08 <kreed> ah, holy crap.  I forgot to reboot
Jun 19 00:49:09 <Orion_PK> anyone heard anything like that, or seen it?
Jun 19 00:49:13 <kreed> My apologies for something so dumb
Jun 19 00:49:16 <PreGame> lol
Jun 19 00:49:19 <kreed> the driver won't work without a reboot
Jun 19 00:49:24 <kreed> sorry again, and thanks a ton for the help!
Jun 19 00:49:29 <PreGame> you shouldn't have to reboot the pc
Jun 19 00:49:32 <PreGame> i never had too
Jun 19 00:49:37 <kreed> I have a yellow !
Jun 19 00:49:37 <sugardave> me, neither
Jun 19 00:49:42 <linuxkidd> nope.. me either
Jun 19 00:49:44 <PreGame> yellow?
Jun 19 00:49:47 <kreed> that says the driver wont take effect till a reboot
Jun 19 00:49:48 <kreed> yup
Jun 19 00:49:55 <PreGame> what are you on windows 98?
Jun 19 00:50:03 <kreed> XP
Jun 19 00:50:09 <PreGame> wierd
Jun 19 00:50:09 <Binarytech> has anyone looked over the open source code that was released today?
Jun 19 00:50:15 <PreGame> some of it
Jun 19 00:50:18 <Binarytech> anything useful?
Jun 19 00:50:20 <PreGame> nope
Jun 19 00:50:23 <kreed> ill be back if its still broked
Jun 19 00:50:24 <Binarytech> figured
Jun 19 00:50:26 <kreed> thx again
Jun 19 00:50:28 <PreGame> its mainly already open source libraries
Jun 19 00:50:29 <Binarytech> looks all generic
Jun 19 00:50:41 <PreGame> you can get most of it from sourceforge
Jun 19 00:50:59 <PreGame> palmIPC is about the only thing cusom made
Jun 19 00:51:01 <rwhitby> kernel source is *very* useful
Jun 19 00:51:14 <rwhitby> we're doing Optware kernel modules as we speak ...
Jun 19 00:51:15 <linuxkidd> I'm try'n to find the section of code that calls out the notificationtone for playback when new messages arrive
Jun 19 00:51:57 <PreGame> its in the com.palm.messages/app/controllers/notifaction-assistant.js
Jun 19 00:52:05 <linuxkidd> ah.. :)
Jun 19 00:53:26 <linuxkidd> hmm...
Jun 19 00:53:38 <Kaerey> ok ok ok http://predev.wikidot.com/alerts-from-usb it's on the bottom
Jun 19 00:53:47 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: you're doing optware kernel modules for the kernl extensions Plam gave us?
Jun 19 00:54:08 <linuxkidd> kewl
Jun 19 00:54:14 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: for the kernel source that we got from Palm
Jun 19 00:54:29 <rwhitby> it may take a day or two, but should be no problem
Jun 19 00:54:30 <summatusmentis> ah, I see
Jun 19 00:54:43 <summatusmentis> I want either a device or an emulator, so I can get custom kernel modules building
Jun 19 00:54:45 <PreGame> thats just for the sound. I want to chnge the default vibration length without having to write extra code
Jun 19 00:55:08 <linuxkidd> Kaerey: Sweet!  Gonna apply it now
Jun 19 00:55:22 <sugardave> has anybody ever said anything about the long-term effects of leaving the Pre in dev mode?
Jun 19 00:55:59 <Binarytech> mine had been in dev mode since i heard about it. release day and no issues so far. thats not to say their are none lol
Jun 19 00:56:00 <Kaerey> you leave yourself open to the world.
Jun 19 00:56:30 <Kaerey> linuxkidd: as you go along make not of things we need to clarify.
Jun 19 00:56:38 <linuxkidd> np
Jun 19 00:57:03 <sugardave> Kaerey, how so?  More than just the possible intrusion via ssh?
Jun 19 00:59:00 <PreGame> sugardave: I leave mine in devmode all the time
Jun 19 00:59:20 <Kaerey> sugardave it leaves it open to others who want to get access if they knew you were on the same network/knew your IP etc.
Jun 19 01:01:19 <pullingj> leaves you open if you are plugged into a computer with the novacom driver installed
Jun 19 01:01:45 <sugardave> ah, well that's not likely, then
Jun 19 01:01:48 <pullingj> devmode just starts novacomd is what i understood.  if you reboot after you enable telnet your fine (telnet won't be enabled again)
Jun 19 01:18:56 <PreGame> is there a way to mount my pc drive to the pre?  I was wanting to just cp from the phone to my laptop without having to copy to the /media/internal then connect as usb drive
Jun 19 01:19:26 <linuxkidd> sftp / scp
Jun 19 01:19:35 <linuxkidd> via wireless / bluetooth if ya like
Jun 19 01:19:42 <PreGame> yea :-\ i didn't want to install applications and slow the phone down
Jun 19 01:20:33 <PreGame> i didn't know if we could make it like an external hd
Jun 19 01:21:09 <sugardave> you should be able to do it with samba or cifs, yeah?
Jun 19 01:21:22 <PreGame> i'm new to linux so what is that?
Jun 19 01:21:33 <saurik> yay! opensourcequestions@palm.com responded to my WebCore complaint: they are working on "rectifying this matter immediately" and should have a complete diff soon ;P
Jun 19 01:21:35 <linuxkidd> windows network neighborhood
Jun 19 01:22:05 <Binarytech> what webcore complaint?
Jun 19 01:22:26 <mickdouglas> hola all!
Jun 19 01:22:52 <mickdouglas> I just wanted to let you know that the PDC podcast went well and some folks expressed interest in your work
Jun 19 01:22:53 <linuxkidd> hola
Jun 19 01:23:00 <antonio3> hola
Jun 19 01:23:13 <mickdouglas> so thanks for the great writeups and howtos
Jun 19 01:23:18 <sugardave> I listened to that today, missed the first part of your talk about Ruby/metasploit
Jun 19 01:23:40 <mickdouglas> if *anyone* is going to defcon, or black hat, please hit us up.  I owe ya!
Jun 19 01:24:45 <mickdouglas> sugardave: yeah the ruby MSploit was fun... but I think I'll wait for the official release.  there's some odd bugs yet to be quashed.  Also, the meterpriter scripts have a long way to go
Jun 19 01:24:49 <saurik> Binarytech: the webcore (lgpl) patch they posted to their website failed to include new files (the diff was missing -N, so it just had "only in")
Jun 19 01:25:24 <Binarytech> ahh ok
Jun 19 01:25:52 <retry> the rooting guide should tell people to take their phone out of devmode
Jun 19 01:26:01 <retry> devmode opens up iptables completely
Jun 19 01:26:11 <retry> on all interfaces from what I can tell
Jun 19 01:26:27 <retry> i can see a lot of noobs leaving their phone in devmode at all times
Jun 19 01:27:24 <mickdouglas> retry: can you novaterm in when devmode is off?
Jun 19 01:28:12 <retry> nope
Jun 19 01:28:28 <retry> but once you get ssh going you don't need to unless you mess something up
Jun 19 01:28:47 <retry> point is you're totally exposed even over the sprint network
Jun 19 01:29:19 <ShinAli> saurik: are the new files that should been included all the palm support files?
Jun 19 01:29:23 <mickdouglas> gulp! thanks for letting me know!!
Jun 19 01:29:24 <ShinAli> i hope it is so
Jun 19 01:29:25 <retry> if you are really paranoid you might even want to ifdown pppd while in devmode
Jun 19 01:29:30 <mickdouglas> brb  ;-)
Jun 19 01:31:48 <ShinAli> saurik: give me some good news come on
Jun 19 01:32:08 <saurik> ShinAli: pretty much; you can download the patch and grep for "Only in" to see for yourself; the specific items, however, are all relatively benign: the palm service bridges are pretty much just an IPC model
Jun 19 01:32:29 <ShinAli> thats what i was guessing
Jun 19 01:32:46 <ShinAli> but i'm more interested in the graphics part
Jun 19 01:33:25 <ShinAli> if it has those PG headers, that'd be greeaaaaat
Jun 19 01:34:17 <ShinAli> that way i'll know exactly what the context i would be dealing with
Jun 19 01:40:03 <opie_> can someone tell me what they get when they du -h -d 1 /extracted_nova-cust-image.castle.rootfs
Jun 19 01:45:39 <furan> turn it upside down
Jun 19 01:45:49 <furan> I can see the text there
Jun 19 01:47:17 <joesmith> can someone tell me how to send a file via bluetooth in a PAN
Jun 19 01:50:38 <linuxkidd> joesmith: Have you ever used ssh?  specifically, scp or sftp ?
Jun 19 01:52:03 <ShinAli> furan: you took a look at any of the sources?
Jun 19 01:52:05 <seigex> hi
Jun 19 01:52:51 <furan> misfired earlier
Jun 19 01:52:52 <furan> not yet
Jun 19 01:52:53 <furan> busy w/work
Jun 19 01:53:19 <Binarytech> has anyone figured out how classic app is able to get access to the graphics engine? did they get some higher level access than lets say the SDK would offer?
Jun 19 01:53:37 <Rick__> Classic calls a browser plugin with an <object> tag
Jun 19 01:53:49 <ShinAli> Binarytech: the term you're looking for is lower-level and yes it is assumed so
Jun 19 01:53:50 <Rick__> The browser plugin is native compiled
Jun 19 01:54:00 <Binarytech> gotcha
Jun 19 01:54:03 <Binarytech> thaanks
Jun 19 01:54:32 <seigex> i notice a few programs use native daemons for data (such as telenav)
Jun 19 01:54:33 <Rick__> Palm employees who have been on channel have suggested that the browser plugin headers are given to "selected" developers after approval.
Jun 19 01:54:55 <ShinAli> which blows
Jun 19 01:55:01 <Rick__> it is _possible_ that folks here can reverse engineer the headers.  It will not be easy.
Jun 19 01:55:26 <ShinAli> depends on what they fix on the webcore patch they botched
Jun 19 01:55:41 <ShinAli> at least that's what i'm hoping
Jun 19 01:55:52 <Rick__> The trick will be distinguishing between the hooks into the browser and the "regular" part of emulator.  Obviously the emulator code is well-known.
Jun 19 01:56:21 <ShinAli> i was gonna do some ltrace tonight on the emulator and luna
Jun 19 01:56:51 <Rick__> Of course, Adobe has the appropriate binary SDK in order to do a flash plugin.   The PDF reader app uses the same tech.
Jun 19 01:58:37 <Kaerey> Ok my Sounds and Alerts Modification has been confirmed. http://predev.wikidot.com/alerts-from-usb
Jun 19 01:59:00 <tmzt_> does an actual old-style npapi plugin even load?
Jun 19 01:59:12 <tmzt_> ls there a null plugin?
Jun 19 01:59:36 <ShinAli> i've seen a simple hello world type plugin but it uses gtk
Jun 19 01:59:41 <tmzt_> who was working on the pmux stuff?
Jun 19 01:59:44 <tmzt_> oh
Jun 19 02:00:05 <tmzt_> the thing we need to find is what NpWindow wraps
Jun 19 02:00:50 <furan> yay jeri the trolling is so far down your twitter feed that it doesn't show up on the ustream page.
Jun 19 02:00:59 <furan> bah
Jun 19 02:01:06 <furan> I can't use the internets.
Jun 19 02:01:09 <furan> they're too hard.
Jun 19 02:03:59 <konsoleX> anyone ever get an aol IP address on their sprint phone? heh
Jun 19 02:09:05 <linuxkidd> Ok, I've verified Kaerey's Alert/Notification GUI code.. made some tweaks, and it ROCKS!
Jun 19 02:11:13 <ShinAli> Kaerey: you ought to make a diff patch of your mod so it'll be easier for others to modify it
Jun 19 02:11:46 <Rick__> that's the suggestion I was about to make
Jun 19 02:12:08 <linuxkidd> lol
Jun 19 02:12:14 <linuxkidd> it's just 3 edits... LOL
Jun 19 02:12:16 <Kaerey> I have no idea what diff patch means :(
Jun 19 02:12:51 <Rick__> it's three edits deep in mission critical files....   and there's a lot of linux newbies around here.
Jun 19 02:13:08 <linuxkidd> :)
Jun 19 02:13:18 <Kaerey> <-- Linux newbie and I created it
Jun 19 02:13:38 <ShinAli> diff is a program that shows the differences between two files, it can also make a patches so people could just run it against their original file
Jun 19 02:13:49 <Kaerey> oh that'd be convienient.
Jun 19 02:13:58 <Rick__> Similar to patching bar-assistant.js for the drag menus....  get it broken and you not only whitebar the top bar menus, you disable USB functionality.
Jun 19 02:14:37 <Rick__> http://iihm.imag.fr/blanch/howtos/DiffPatch.html
Jun 19 02:14:50 <linuxkidd> l8r all
Jun 19 02:14:54 <linuxkidd> good work Kaerey!
Jun 19 02:15:02 <Kaerey> I'll look at that after I kill Ignis the Furnace Master.
Jun 19 02:15:08 <ShinAli> yeah, good job all around
Jun 19 02:15:11 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 02:15:20 <Tilton53> Dude never again will I use a control panel
Jun 19 02:15:21 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 19 02:15:28 <Tilton53> for a webserver
Jun 19 02:15:41 <Tilton53> damn lxadmin
Jun 19 02:16:23 <Rick__> oh heck.  Consider yourself blessed you are not required to use IIS.
Jun 19 02:16:56 <Tilton53> Dude I just had to compile 30 or so config files into one readable file
Jun 19 02:17:06 <Tilton53> because the guy that made the control panel killed himself
Jun 19 02:17:07 <Tilton53> -.-
Jun 19 02:17:41 <Rick__> ick.
Jun 19 02:17:45 <Tilton53> Which pisses me off because I can't even send an email telling him how shitty this was
Jun 19 02:18:13 <Rick__> rip it out and put in Apache?
Jun 19 02:18:29 <Kaerey> are you kidding me.. my wife just looked at me and asked "did you get the sounds working yet"
Jun 19 02:19:32 <Tilton53> It was apache >D Rick_
Jun 19 02:19:36 <Tilton53> with shitty config files
Jun 19 02:19:55 <Tilton53> So I rewrote them all over ssh
Jun 19 02:19:58 <Rick__> and you beat your chesst and said "Me Super Geek"   "Me Rock!"
Jun 19 02:19:58 <Tilton53> <3 vi
Jun 19 02:20:55 <Rick__> That directed towards Kaery
Jun 19 02:21:26 <ShinAli> just got a reply back from Mitch Allen on 3D graphics APIs, said they're working on it but don't have anything to announce
Jun 19 02:21:39 <Tilton53> nice
Jun 19 02:21:48 <Rick__> early days
Jun 19 02:21:55 <Tilton53> I have a feeling Palm will really listen to the dev community on WebOS
Jun 19 02:21:59 <Tilton53> at least for now
Jun 19 02:22:05 <Tilton53> as they try and fine tune it
Jun 19 02:22:22 <Tilton53> The only thing we really have to fear is carriers
Jun 19 02:23:18 <ShinAli> the orielly book only had seven chapters right?
Jun 19 02:23:24 <ShinAli> i think they just released the eighth
Jun 19 02:23:47 <Tilton53> nice
Jun 19 02:23:54 <Tilton53> Wish I had the money to buy it
Jun 19 02:24:20 <ShinAli> i bought rough cuts when it was announced
Jun 19 02:24:51 <ShinAli> the author (Mitch Allen) keeps up fairly often in the comments portion of the book
Jun 19 02:24:55 <tiv_> Good day
Jun 19 02:26:15 <Cache> Hi all. New Pre owner here. Woot!
Jun 19 02:26:15 <Tilton53> bash: -.-: command not found
Jun 19 02:26:17 <Tilton53> lol
Jun 19 02:26:18 <ShinAli> new chapter is about system and cload services
Jun 19 02:26:21 <ShinAli> cloud
Jun 19 02:26:34 <tiv_> congratz Cache
Jun 19 02:26:45 <Cache> Thx tiv.
Jun 19 02:26:58 <Cache> Anyone try any command line SIP clients yet?
Jun 19 02:27:40 <tiv_> I have a desire for an ftp type of client to upload photos directly to my webserver
Jun 19 02:27:46 <tiv_> not sure of the possibilites or scope of that.
Jun 19 02:28:44 <Cache> My Pre has a pre-installed app that will allow photo uploads to Facebook and another site, so I'm sure there'll be other photo uploading programs in short order.
Jun 19 02:28:53 <tiv_> yeah
Jun 19 02:28:54 <ShinAli> you can write a servlet on your server that'll except image uploads and write a pre app
Jun 19 02:29:04 <ShinAli> s/except/accept
Jun 19 02:29:15 <tiv_> thats basically want I want, but just directly upload it to my webserver/folder
Jun 19 02:29:46 <ShinAli> i dunno if there are any FTP functions within mojo
Jun 19 02:30:02 <tiv_> what does the Facebook option use?
Jun 19 02:30:24 <ShinAli> facebook has a bunch of services to take care of that
Jun 19 02:30:30 <tiv_> yeah
Jun 19 02:30:37 <ShinAli> web services
Jun 19 02:30:39 <ShinAli> i mean
Jun 19 02:30:43 <tiv_> yeah, i understand
Jun 19 02:31:01 <tiv_> lol of course not specifically ftp to fb
Jun 19 02:31:15 <tiv_> conceptually speaking tho, I want to do the same thing
Jun 19 02:31:26 <tiv_> just to my own domain/server
Jun 19 02:31:51 <tiv_> phone takes great photos, and I have to e-mail them to get them to flickr, or twitpic
Jun 19 02:31:51 <ShinAli> maybe a POST to a web service, which will automagically put it under the user's account
Jun 19 02:32:04 <ShinAli> i dunno if facebook has any details on it
Jun 19 02:33:48 <tiv_> i make a lot of accidental calls on my phone
Jun 19 02:34:24 <tiv_> I hate it. & I need a beltclip/case that lets me keep my headphones in at the same time lol I actually use my phone more than try to hack it, not a huge code/linux type guy.
Jun 19 02:36:21 <tiv_> about to try to remove the camera click sound & change the images for the dialpad / pin # in a little bit.
Jun 19 02:37:10 * ShinAli is disappointed, doesn't see anything about web workers in Palm's modified webkit
Jun 19 02:37:52 <tiv_> did they add anything of interest to you? any hilights?
Jun 19 02:38:39 <ShinAli> i've been looking at the plugins portion of the code, but i'd know much more if they included all the new header files they've made
Jun 19 02:38:58 <ShinAli> saurik said they botched up the patch file, so the newer fixed one might have them
Jun 19 02:40:50 <Cache> I just searched the logs, no VoIP info  8-(
Jun 19 02:41:08 <robo> ShinAli: what do you hope to do with web workers?
Jun 19 02:41:51 <ShinAli> nothing really, but it brings a multi threaded environment to JS which i support
Jun 19 02:41:59 <Stik> I see the 'Basic Linux Use' section in the wiki.... Kinda scetchy people learning to use linux on a pre lol
Jun 19 02:42:09 <psykoz> botched patch?  palm already starting to push an update?
Jun 19 02:42:12 <robo> they're more like processes than threads. No shared code.
Jun 19 02:42:16 <robo> I mean shared data
Jun 19 02:42:43 <ShinAli> psykoz: saurik says he got a reply from them that they'll fix it ASAP
Jun 19 02:43:12 <tiv_> Well, i used the linux portions of the site to keep me refreshed on my command lines,
Jun 19 02:43:20 <tiv_> i considered it semi helpful
Jun 19 02:43:29 <Rick__> It woudl be nice to figure out how to register a service with Mojo.
Jun 19 02:43:31 <tiv_> I don't often use command lines much
Jun 19 02:43:41 <ShinAli> robo: what do you mean? they can't share variables or dbs?
Jun 19 02:43:45 <Stik> I'm more talking about those who have never used before
Jun 19 02:43:46 <tiv_> lol don't bash the news help resources
Jun 19 02:44:02 <robo> variables, no. html5 databases, yes
Jun 19 02:44:05 <tiv_> yeah, i do have "some" experience though, just not much
Jun 19 02:44:09 <robo> according to the spec
Jun 19 02:44:23 <robo> haven't played with any implementations to check
Jun 19 02:44:30 <ShinAli> me neither
Jun 19 02:44:32 <robo> they also can't access the DOM
Jun 19 02:44:40 <ShinAli> was about to ask that, dang
Jun 19 02:48:43 <rwhitby> Hmm - we should be able to drop an optware profile in /etc/profile.d/optware
Jun 19 02:48:56 <rwhitby> PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin
Jun 19 02:49:03 <rwhitby> if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
Jun 19 02:49:13 <rwhitby>   PATH=$PATH:/opt/sbin
Jun 19 02:49:14 <rwhitby> fi
Jun 19 02:49:34 <tmzt_> what shell sources that?
Jun 19 02:49:41 <rwhitby> /etc/profile
Jun 19 02:50:01 <tmzt_> on bash or ash as well?
Jun 19 02:50:03 <tmzt_> only
Jun 19 02:50:21 <rwhitby> I presume busybox /bin/sh
Jun 19 02:51:32 <psykoz> looking at the UpdateDaemon's binary there are some strings that look similar to the webOS manual about uploads timing out, charger connected or not, etc..  so it could be the Updater
Jun 19 02:51:49 <psykoz> err installs timing out etc..
Jun 19 02:51:49 <rwhitby> mickdouglas: is there an mp3 of that podcast available?
Jun 19 02:52:16 <mickdouglas> rwhitby not yet.  we just finished 'casting an hour or two ago
Jun 19 02:52:34 <mickdouglas> there will be a posting in iTunes and on pauldotcom.com
Jun 19 02:52:36 <rwhitby> mickdouglas: I'll be interested to take a listen on my commute home tonight :-)
Jun 19 02:52:38 <psykoz> I would to err be on the safe side chmod -x such files ;)  if I were capable of doing such <grin>
Jun 19 02:52:57 <mickdouglas> rwhitby - sorry we take a day or two
Jun 19 02:53:06 <mickdouglas> let me get a link to the show notes
Jun 19 02:53:17 <rwhitby> mickdouglas: thx
Jun 19 02:53:38 <mickdouglas> pdc episode 156 show notes: http://pauldotcom.com/wiki/index.php/Episode156#Mini_Tech_Segment:_The_Pre_is_rooted.21_Now_what.3F_by_Mick_Douglas
Jun 19 02:54:03 <mickdouglas> I just chatted about some of the things you can do w/ teh Pre from an InfoSec perspective
Jun 19 02:54:14 <mickdouglas> right now I'm most interested in nmap and tshark
Jun 19 02:54:34 <mickdouglas> tho most folks a drooling over metasploit -- and I can't really blame 'em  ;-)
Jun 19 02:55:01 <mickdouglas> but metasploit isn't happy with the ipkg-opt ruby
Jun 19 02:55:27 <mickdouglas> ipkg-opt ruby is 1.9.1 & that's not a good match for 3.2 framework of metasploit
Jun 19 02:55:48 <mickdouglas> Oh security tip! Please be sure to turn off developer mode!!
Jun 19 02:55:51 <rwhitby> mickdouglas: have a chat to eno, he might be able to help with that.
Jun 19 02:56:09 <eno> actually, i'm not so much a ruby user
Jun 19 02:56:28 <eno> hope someone can give ruby a boost on optware
Jun 19 02:56:29 <mickdouglas> rwhitby I had a mail exchange with HD Moore the maker of metasploit last night about it
Jun 19 02:56:59 <mickdouglas> metasploit will have a release sometime soonish that is 1.9.1 compatible
Jun 19 02:57:13 <mickdouglas> actually the 1.9.1 ruby isn't bad...
Jun 19 02:57:31 <mickdouglas> it's the slow proc that makes it seem tough to deal with
Jun 19 02:57:45 <mickdouglas> at least that's what I found in my limited testing
Jun 19 02:58:11 <mickdouglas> zsazs -- thanks again for the tip about dev mode!!
Jun 19 02:58:14 * rwhitby add http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware to our bootstrap git repo
Jun 19 02:58:44 <eno> i tested tshark 1.2.0 last night on a NAS using optware/cs08q1armel, works fine
Jun 19 02:58:48 <rwhitby> that should save people having to edit /etc/profile just to get the optware paths
Jun 19 02:59:17 <mickdouglas> eno yeah the tshark is hella cool! I'm looking forward to tsharking the wifi.
Jun 19 02:59:37 <mickdouglas> what I can't wait for is the day the wifi chip is supported in kismet
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