**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 19 02:59:58 2009
Jun 19 03:02:42 <Tilton53> War-Preing?
Jun 19 03:03:24 <mickdouglas> hey is there anyone working on Pre hacking who will be at BlackHat/DefCon?  I and the PaulDotCom crew will be there, and I'd like to interview some of you for the show, or just buy ya a beer for the good work
Jun 19 03:03:42 <mickdouglas> Tilton53 - yep. that's exactly what I want to do
Jun 19 03:04:26 <mickdouglas> from a pentester's standpoint, the Pre makes a very interesting platform.  Nobody cares if you stand around "texting" (cue scary music)
Jun 19 03:04:37 <EvanPro_> New, but still needs some work: http://predev.wikidot.com/building-webos-mojo-applications
Jun 19 03:04:50 <EvanPro_> I'll work on adding the rest tomorrow sometime.
Jun 19 03:05:09 <bpadalino> slick
Jun 19 03:05:18 <SubtleGradient> bpadalino: what is?
Jun 19 03:05:21 * Tilton53 curses at the 40 days left on his contract
Jun 19 03:05:23 <Tilton53> >.<
Jun 19 03:05:38 <bpadalino> SubtleGradient: building the webos applications
Jun 19 03:05:58 <SubtleGradient> ah,nice
Jun 19 03:06:01 <bpadalino> SubtleGradient: did you check out the rough cuts pdf yet ?
Jun 19 03:06:26 <EvanPro_> I'm trying to make it simple enough so you don't really need a "web dev" background to jump into it... so if it seems overly simplified, that's why.
Jun 19 03:06:41 <SubtleGradient> not yet
Jun 19 03:06:45 <mickdouglas> EvanPro_ - awesome! that's really interesting and helpful!
Jun 19 03:07:01 * mickdouglas grumbles that his mojo dev application has gone unanswered
Jun 19 03:07:49 <jblebrun> EvanPro: nicely done
Jun 19 03:08:15 <EvanPro_> jblebrun: thanks :)
Jun 19 03:08:27 <PreGame> EvanPro_: appinfo.json also has a visible option
Jun 19 03:08:33 <mickdouglas> any luck in making an app button that can launch stuff in the background?  I mean the mojo kit is just webby stuff right?
Jun 19 03:09:09 <ShinAli> EvanPro_: awesome write up
Jun 19 03:09:21 <PreGame> yea i have been wanting to know how to write fresh apps
Jun 19 03:09:24 <PreGame> it looks good
Jun 19 03:09:28 <mickdouglas> also how do I remove browser links that I sent to the launcher?  (sorry if that's a newbish question)
Jun 19 03:10:02 <EvanPro_> ShinAli: thanks
Jun 19 03:10:37 <EvanPro_> mickdouglas: hold orange + tap and hold launcher browser link.
Jun 19 03:12:27 <mickdouglas> EvanPro_ : YOU THE MAN!
Jun 19 03:12:33 <mickdouglas> Thanks!
Jun 19 03:12:43 <mickdouglas> a buddy put a porn link there as a joke
Jun 19 03:12:47 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: nice wiki page, thanks.
Jun 19 03:12:48 <mickdouglas> but I couldn't remove it
Jun 19 03:12:50 <PreGame> EvanPro_: I would edit the wiki to also show that visible is an appinfo.json option
Jun 19 03:12:50 <mickdouglas> lol
Jun 19 03:13:11 * mickdouglas raises beer to EvanPro's honor!
Jun 19 03:13:20 <ShinAli> argh, the new chapter on cloud services is lacking
Jun 19 03:14:21 <rwhitby> anyone feel like testing and then updating http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository for the new /etc/profile.d/optware file from http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware ?
Jun 19 03:14:40 <rwhitby> (saves you having to edit /etc/profile, so should be more robust for OTA updates)
Jun 19 03:14:43 <EvanPro_> PreGame: good call.
Jun 19 03:15:47 <jblebrun> EvanPro: It might be nice if you include a tarball (or zip, or whatever) of the basic directory structure with the basic boilerplate stuff.
Jun 19 03:16:18 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: I can make you a hello-world repo on gitorious for it ...
Jun 19 03:16:36 <rwhitby> then others can collaborate on it
Jun 19 03:17:03 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: sure, that's cool with me. i was just going to link to a ZIP, heh.
Jun 19 03:17:47 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: gitorious has a "download tar.gz" option :-)
Jun 19 03:19:25 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: yeah, i know. :)
Jun 19 03:20:44 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: if you want to create an account at gitorious.org, I'll add you to the dev group and create a repo
Jun 19 03:21:26 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: sure thing.
Jun 19 03:21:51 <analog1`zZz> anyone creating skins/themes for the pre?
Jun 19 03:21:59 <j0sh> has anyone else had any issues with just incredibly bad wifi performance?  like, you get less lag/timeouts when you ssh in via evdo as opposed to wifi
Jun 19 03:22:14 <Kaerey> @EvanPro Great Page man.
Jun 19 03:22:23 <psykoz> I dunno why you would ssh via evdo ;O
Jun 19 03:22:31 <j0sh> i just said why
Jun 19 03:22:43 <EvanPro_> thanks Kaerey :)
Jun 19 03:22:52 <psykoz> oh got it, do you have your charger plugged in?
Jun 19 03:22:54 <j0sh> most of my packets over wifi time out
Jun 19 03:22:55 <opie_> so, anyone know can i use my phone as a usb gps device for my computer?
Jun 19 03:22:56 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 03:23:22 <j0sh> its currently plugged in and charging via usb
Jun 19 03:23:32 <j0sh> i just got it replaced though, my other one worked fine
Jun 19 03:23:34 <j0sh> this one is crap
Jun 19 03:23:41 <jblebrun> EvanPro: I'm gonna tweet your page, if you're ready
Jun 19 03:23:54 <j0sh> i had a dead pixel and a black speck stuck in the screen, so i got it replaced
Jun 19 03:23:55 <j0sh> and now
Jun 19 03:24:00 <j0sh> the wifi is shit
Jun 19 03:25:23 <analog1> i'm considering exchanging my pre b/c of the same problem
Jun 19 03:25:39 <furan> how is the wifi shit
Jun 19 03:25:41 <furan> works fine for me
Jun 19 03:25:43 <bpadalino> you get bad wifi performance ?
Jun 19 03:25:44 <j0sh> the reason i exchanged it, or the new problem im having
Jun 19 03:25:50 <analog1> no, the pixel issues
Jun 19 03:25:59 <bpadalino> one bad pixel ?
Jun 19 03:26:09 <analog1> a few
Jun 19 03:26:17 <j0sh> i had one bad pixel in the upper left area and i had a large black speck in the lower right
Jun 19 03:26:21 <bpadalino> ah that stinks
Jun 19 03:26:23 <psykoz> mine has no bad/stuck pixels makes me happy :>
Jun 19 03:26:27 <j0sh> so i replaced it
Jun 19 03:26:28 <furan> mine is good
Jun 19 03:26:29 <j0sh> and now
Jun 19 03:26:33 <j0sh> wifi is horrible
Jun 19 03:26:40 <j0sh> like i am maybe 5 feet from the AP
Jun 19 03:26:44 <j0sh> full signal
Jun 19 03:26:52 <furan> the only things I don't like about the pre are the thought that the transitions aren't accelerated (and run on the cpu and are thus jerky because of that occasionally) and the battery life
Jun 19 03:26:53 <j0sh> and i drop 75-90% of packets
Jun 19 03:27:06 <bpadalino> maybe you're too close
Jun 19 03:27:10 <furan> maybe your ap sucks
Jun 19 03:27:11 <j0sh> well
Jun 19 03:27:22 <j0sh> like i said
Jun 19 03:27:24 <j0sh> my old one worked fine
Jun 19 03:27:29 <j0sh> i replaced it
Jun 19 03:27:33 <j0sh> and NOW im having trouble
Jun 19 03:27:39 <j0sh> so the only thing thats changed is the handset
Jun 19 03:27:43 <bpadalino> sounds terrible
Jun 19 03:27:44 <j0sh> not my ap, and not the distance
Jun 19 03:27:47 <j0sh> and my AP is awesome
Jun 19 03:27:59 <mikeDOTd> heh
Jun 19 03:28:03 <furan> I'm not sure how you could get a discrepancy there between palms
Jun 19 03:28:10 <j0sh> i wouldnt expect that either
Jun 19 03:28:16 <j0sh> maybe the wifi radio is defective on this one
Jun 19 03:28:18 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: I messages you on gitorious.
Jun 19 03:28:18 <j0sh> or antenna
Jun 19 03:28:34 <j0sh> like i tried browsing the web and it was timing out left and right
Jun 19 03:28:43 <goatslacker> does anyone know how the calendar syncs data with the different accounts? is it xml/rss?
Jun 19 03:29:33 <AgentSmith> stupid question, but did you by chance damage any of the antennas that run around the battery compartment? they look like brown stickers
Jun 19 03:29:39 <psykoz> j0sh, dns issue by chance?
Jun 19 03:30:05 <konsoleX> i know i get roaming a lot more on EVDO/pre than i did with 755p...
Jun 19 03:30:10 <j0sh> nah
Jun 19 03:30:16 <j0sh> cant be
Jun 19 03:30:23 <j0sh> i get the problem pinging TO the device
Jun 19 03:30:27 <j0sh> no dns
Jun 19 03:30:40 <j0sh> pinging its wifi IP i get like 75% timeouts
Jun 19 03:30:49 <bpadalino> is it plugged in when you're pinging it ?
Jun 19 03:30:54 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 03:30:57 <bpadalino> interesting
Jun 19 03:30:58 <j0sh> i mean like i said
Jun 19 03:30:58 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: you're in - what would you like the Description for the hello-world repo to say?
Jun 19 03:31:01 <j0sh> my old one no problem
Jun 19 03:31:03 <j0sh> this one
Jun 19 03:31:05 <j0sh> big problem
Jun 19 03:31:10 <bpadalino> let me see how mine works
Jun 19 03:31:49 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: are you able to license your work under the MIT license?
Jun 19 03:31:53 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: ummm... "Simple example(s) for getting started with webOS / Mojo application development."
Jun 19 03:32:23 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: totally, MIT is fine for this stuff.
Jun 19 03:32:36 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: hmm - you wanna call the repo something more general than 'hello-world' then?
Jun 19 03:32:44 <rwhitby> maybe mojo-examples or something?
Jun 19 03:32:48 <bpadalino> hrmm ..
Jun 19 03:33:03 <bpadalino> mojo-examples sounds lke a good idea
Jun 19 03:33:05 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: yeah, maybe... not specifically "mojo" though.. since you don't even "have" to use mojo.
Jun 19 03:33:10 <rwhitby> or maybe just 'applications' ?
Jun 19 03:33:13 <jblebrun> webos
Jun 19 03:33:15 <rwhitby> and have subdirs under
Jun 19 03:33:24 <jblebrun> webos-examples
Jun 19 03:33:29 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: applications could work, yeah...
Jun 19 03:33:49 <bpadalino> j0sh, i do get a pretty big deviation ..
Jun 19 03:33:52 <bpadalino> 39 packets transmitted, 39 packets received, 0% packet loss
Jun 19 03:33:52 <bpadalino> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 7.052/60.278/189.320/36.061 ms
Jun 19 03:33:53 <EvanPro_> that way we don't have to keep making new repos for every app...
Jun 19 03:34:02 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 03:34:09 <j0sh> thats pretty annoying
Jun 19 03:34:15 <j0sh> 100% working for you
Jun 19 03:34:24 <j0sh> ill have to try it on other APs
Jun 19 03:34:28 <j0sh> though it doesnt make sense
Jun 19 03:34:30 <j0sh> the old one worked fine
Jun 19 03:34:45 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: 'applications' it is then.  We can modify the Description later if it turns out to be more than examples.
Jun 19 03:34:52 <j0sh> god thats obnoxious
Jun 19 03:35:07 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications is ready for use.
Jun 19 03:36:01 <j0sh> ok, definitely just figured it out
Jun 19 03:36:19 <j0sh> so i run a continuous ping from my workstation to the pre
Jun 19 03:36:27 <j0sh> 90% of the packets time out
Jun 19 03:36:32 <j0sh> but
Jun 19 03:36:36 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: great deal.. i'll commit the hello world app when i get home in about an hour or two.
Jun 19 03:36:45 <rwhitby> sweet
Jun 19 03:36:52 <j0sh> if i begin a ping on the pre to somewhere else, say, google.com
Jun 19 03:36:56 <j0sh> as long as that ping is running
Jun 19 03:37:06 <j0sh> i get 100% replies on my pings TO the pre
Jun 19 03:37:07 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: i also added a note to the bottom of the wiki page, stating it's MIT.
Jun 19 03:37:24 <j0sh> soon as i kill the ping running on the pre to the web
Jun 19 03:37:34 <j0sh> the ping from my machine to the pre starts timing out again
Jun 19 03:37:42 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: ack
Jun 19 03:38:01 <j0sh> has anyone else encountered this?
Jun 19 03:38:10 <j0sh> it seems to be some sort of power management thing
Jun 19 03:38:12 <EvanPro_> rwhitby: ack? should i not do that?
Jun 19 03:38:19 <j0sh> thats what id guess
Jun 19 03:38:21 <rwhitby> acknowledged :-)
Jun 19 03:38:40 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: ^^
Jun 19 03:38:41 <shades> hey, do we have an ssh client and or irc client yet??
Jun 19 03:38:42 <EvanPro_> doh.
Jun 19 03:38:48 * EvanPro_ facepalm
Jun 19 03:38:49 <j0sh> sure, irssi
Jun 19 03:38:56 <shades> irssi is ported to webos???
Jun 19 03:39:09 <jblebrun> EvanPro: I used to have that same problem.
Jun 19 03:39:11 <j0sh> if you ssh in from elsewhere
Jun 19 03:39:11 <shades> sign me up!
Jun 19 03:39:14 <j0sh> not in the GUI
Jun 19 03:39:16 <shades> ugh
Jun 19 03:39:19 <shades> I am sshed into a box
Jun 19 03:39:22 <jblebrun> EvanPro: I had a manager who would always respond "ACK" :-)
Jun 19 03:39:24 <shades> but i'm on a winblows machine
Jun 19 03:39:28 <shades> i'd like to be in bed on my pre
Jun 19 03:39:32 <shades> but i don't have an ssh client for it
Jun 19 03:39:35 <jblebrun> EvanPro: And I'd have pico-moments of panic
Jun 19 03:39:35 <bpadalino> nerdy
Jun 19 03:39:36 <shades> nor irc client for it
Jun 19 03:39:37 <shades> ;(
Jun 19 03:39:39 <j0sh> yeah i havent heard of one yet
Jun 19 03:39:50 <shades> wtf why can't they just cut me a slice of that
Jun 19 03:40:00 <shades> it is running LINUX where is my SSH client!?!?!
Jun 19 03:40:02 <ShinAli> what
Jun 19 03:40:05 <furan> are you 5
Jun 19 03:40:09 <shades> and where is my SSL for christ sakes.
Jun 19 03:40:17 <shades> I can't login to do my banking
Jun 19 03:40:21 <j0sh> hah
Jun 19 03:40:32 <EvanPro_> jblebrun: haha yeah, it seems like a "oohh not good" type of response... ack.
Jun 19 03:40:43 <shades> i've been waiting hours to days for one to come out
Jun 19 03:40:45 <shades> or a means to make one myself
Jun 19 03:40:51 <shades> and neither are available, legitly
Jun 19 03:40:51 <rwhitby> such frustration - chill out dude, it's only a phone ;-)
Jun 19 03:41:00 <shades> a phone? that's my line to the outside world ;p
Jun 19 03:41:04 <shades> i had these things on my 700p
Jun 19 03:41:12 <shades> if I can get to my banking acct, people just aren't getting paid
Jun 19 03:41:20 <furan> well, you knew up front before you got your pre what was done so far and what wasn't, right?
Jun 19 03:41:21 <rwhitby> shades: I'm not replacing my Treo 650 until the Pre can do all these things ...
Jun 19 03:41:23 <shades> i've never written a check nor know how to
Jun 19 03:41:29 <shades> and i'm not even sure what all the feilds are in one
Jun 19 03:41:32 <konsoleX> i figured it just made calls and stuff.
Jun 19 03:41:34 <jblebrun> shades: The 700p was based on a MUCH more mature platform ;-)
Jun 19 03:41:55 <rwhitby> does pssh run under Classic?
Jun 19 03:41:59 <ShinAli> welcome to 1.0?
Jun 19 03:41:59 <shades> ok, but if you're releasing something called WEBos it should have something as BASIC as SSL ? no?
Jun 19 03:42:00 <analog1> http://mypre.com/palm-pre-dual-boot-with-android-hack-200921346/
Jun 19 03:42:01 <konsoleX> rwhitby: NO
Jun 19 03:42:06 <shades> or is that logic, some how crackpotty
Jun 19 03:42:08 <rwhitby> how about ptpchat?
Jun 19 03:42:10 <analog1> maybe a silly q, but why would you want to install android on your phone?
Jun 19 03:42:12 <furan> what useful stuff does run under classic anyway
Jun 19 03:42:16 <konsoleX> rwhitby: that i dunno
Jun 19 03:42:20 <shades> ptpchat??
Jun 19 03:42:28 <rwhitby> IRC client for palmos
Jun 19 03:42:34 <furan> like if I've never had a palm what do I really want to run under classic
Jun 19 03:42:42 <furan> is there some killer app?
Jun 19 03:42:51 <konsoleX> i definitely tried pssh... it exchanged keys and then... it exchanged keys... ad nauseam.
Jun 19 03:43:12 <rwhitby> yep, Chatter - puts the Pre email program to shame
Jun 19 03:44:21 <konsoleX> palm should really take the same approach they did with the sdk as they did the actually product: release first, fix later ;)
Jun 19 03:44:33 <EvanPro_> alright.. thanks for setting up that repo rwhitby.. hope you all enjoy the wiki article... i'll commit the hello world app to git when i get home, and i'll continue the wiki article tomorrow sometime.
Jun 19 03:44:33 <jblebrun> *logs into online banking from the Pre*
Jun 19 03:44:53 <EvanPro_> but now, it's almost 9pm, so i must leave the office and go home.
Jun 19 03:45:10 * konsoleX said that sdrawkcab but whatever...
Jun 19 03:49:11 <jblebrun> shades: Who do you bank with? My online banking page is loading without issue...
Jun 19 03:49:33 <rwhitby> ... and what's your mother's maiden name ...
Jun 19 03:49:39 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 19 03:49:51 <jblebrun> I was just going to guess "Smith"
Jun 19 03:54:52 <jblebrun> Yeah, I'm not having any problems... gone to 3 secure sites.
Jun 19 03:58:12 <jblebrun> mint is even halfway-usable
Jun 19 04:00:16 <shades> jblebrun: does your bank page offer SSL?
Jun 19 04:00:24 <shades> or does your credentials just be free to whoevers sniffing the line?
Jun 19 04:00:38 <shades> does the page load up https://whatever.
Jun 19 04:00:41 <shades> or http
Jun 19 04:01:27 <ShinAli> bpadalino: found anything interesting in the sources?
Jun 19 04:01:44 <bpadalino> i didn't really have much time to look today - but not particularly ..
Jun 19 04:01:54 <bpadalino> rwhitby sure did .. but i am not sure if he documented
Jun 19 04:01:54 <shades> so no irc and no ssh yet?
Jun 19 04:02:14 <ShinAli> shades: you already asked that
Jun 19 04:02:21 <jblebrun> shades: I tested three, all three using HTTPS, no issues.
Jun 19 04:02:29 <shades> yea, I was hoping something maybe have been released since the last time I checked
Jun 19 04:02:30 <rwhitby> ShinAli: I took a look at the kernel board setup file
Jun 19 04:02:39 <shades> all those other parts of the world crackin out their 0s and 1s...
Jun 19 04:02:43 <jblebrun> (There are banks that offer non-SSL login? That should be illegal.)
Jun 19 04:02:47 <shades> one could pop up any minute
Jun 19 04:02:55 * shades eyes the app store thing
Jun 19 04:02:59 <ShinAli> i noticed a distinct lack of headers in the webcore source >:|
Jun 19 04:03:05 <shades> jblebrun: it's not illegal
Jun 19 04:03:10 <ShinAli> rwhitby: whats up with it
Jun 19 04:03:11 <shades> but on the other hand they're responsible
Jun 19 04:03:14 <shades> so they'll fale as a bank shortly
Jun 19 04:03:26 <rwhitby> ShinAli: gives some insight to the hardware
Jun 19 04:03:42 <jblebrun> shades: Too bad for the people that get taken down with them.
Jun 19 04:03:49 <jblebrun> shades: Anyway, SSL works.
Jun 19 04:03:51 <Stik> when did they open up the opensource.palm.com site?
Jun 19 04:03:54 <raindog469>  it actually is illegal (at least in the US) for a bank to send personal financial information over an unencrypted link.
Jun 19 04:03:59 <shades> can you get to tcfbank.com ?
Jun 19 04:04:02 <ShinAli> rwhitby: anything special mentioned on the powervr chip?
Jun 19 04:04:07 * rwhitby reminds folks about the desire to stay on-topic so that people reading the logs later don't need to wade through too much off-topic stuff
Jun 19 04:04:26 <ShinAli> well not chip i guess since most of everything is on one chip
Jun 19 04:04:33 <rwhitby> ShinAli: not that I could see.  There was OMAP video out support enabled though (I expect that used that for the demos)
Jun 19 04:05:02 <rwhitby> but nothing about acceleration in the kernel sources that I could see (but I didn't look too deeply)
Jun 19 04:05:06 <jblebrun> shades: Ah indeed, does not work.
Jun 19 04:05:14 <shades> ssfail
Jun 19 04:05:23 <ShinAli> i didn't see anything either, other than some framebuffer stuff
Jun 19 04:05:25 <jblebrun> shades: Perhaps you should suggest your bank use more modern browser feature detection methods.
Jun 19 04:05:41 <ShinAli> weird how they didn't take advantage of video acceleration for the UI and stuff
Jun 19 04:05:44 <shades> ugh, there's got to be someone else that owns a pre that has a tcfbank account that already bitched up a storm
Jun 19 04:06:08 <jblebrun> shades: two people bitching up a storm would be that much more convincing!
Jun 19 04:06:27 <shades> yea I suppose
Jun 19 04:06:28 <jblebrun> Oh god
Jun 19 04:06:31 <jblebrun> They use browser sniffing
Jun 19 04:06:33 <jblebrun> Tacky
Jun 19 04:06:40 <ShinAli> not enough time? it seems that they made the whole webOS in a span of a year or two
Jun 19 04:06:43 <rwhitby> ShinAli: my understanding is that you don't get PowerVR support by default with the OMAP chip purchase, you need to pay a royalty on top.
Jun 19 04:06:45 <shades> how do I 'defeat' that ?
Jun 19 04:07:00 <jblebrun> shades: You might be able to spoof the user agent string
Jun 19 04:07:08 <jblebrun> shades: I'm not sure where it's defined, though.
Jun 19 04:07:09 <ShinAli> rwhitby: there are other OMAP chips without powervr though, why not go for those?
Jun 19 04:07:14 <shades> rwhitby: royalty to use /HARDWARE/ f-K all that noise!
Jun 19 04:07:32 <rwhitby> ShinAli: dunno
Jun 19 04:07:33 <shades> I'm not going to pay extra for what's already there
Jun 19 04:07:40 <shades> it's like buying a house and not getting rights to the basement
Jun 19 04:08:04 <shades> jblebrun: what string would I need to throw into the url to make that happen?
Jun 19 04:08:05 <wizkd> or to the minerals
Jun 19 04:08:08 <shades> or does this happen elsewhere?
Jun 19 04:08:09 <rwhitby> shades: *you* don't need to pay.  Palm would need to pay and assimilate the cost.
Jun 19 04:08:22 <shades> rwhitby: ugh that's almost worse
Jun 19 04:08:33 <ShinAli> either way i'm pretty sure palm can support some nice gpu stuff, mitch allen said they're working on graphics and things
Jun 19 04:08:34 <shades> ie: someone's paying that doesn't have money to do so
Jun 19 04:08:45 <ShinAli> in regards to app development
Jun 19 04:09:02 <shades> whois mitch allen?
Jun 19 04:09:21 <ShinAli> head of developer stuff for the pre
Jun 19 04:10:29 <ShinAli> http://my.safaribooksonline.com/9780596802097 his reply is in the comments if anyone is interested
Jun 19 04:10:38 <ShinAli> though its like only a sentence
Jun 19 04:11:24 <jblebrun> shades: It's not something you put in the URL.
Jun 19 04:11:36 <shades> how are you suppose to parse it then?
Jun 19 04:11:41 <jblebrun> shades: It's the value that's sent in one of the HTTP headers.
Jun 19 04:11:50 <jblebrun> shades: Many modern browsers allow you to change it.
Jun 19 04:12:02 <shades> many include webos?
Jun 19 04:12:26 <shades> or whatever webos' browser is called?
Jun 19 04:12:36 <jblebrun> shades: The browser app itself doesn't allow that. But if you've rooted the phone, you may be able to find where the agent is set.
Jun 19 04:12:38 <oc80z> hi all
Jun 19 04:13:05 <shades> if i didn't want to risk bricking it because i have lots of info on there already i need saved
Jun 19 04:13:08 <shades> i would try that
Jun 19 04:13:14 <shades> but i don't even have a box to connect it to
Jun 19 04:13:41 <jblebrun> shades: Oh well if you don't have root access there's no chance of changing the UA, for now
Jun 19 04:14:06 <shades> i'm well aware of thsi updown buisness but i just need to back everything up before i start playing
Jun 19 04:14:09 <shades> and i dont' have a means of doing that yet
Jun 19 04:15:17 <jblebrun> shades: Probably a good policy. The danger of actually causing harm to your Pre by simply enabling root access is pretty negligible, from what I've seen. But you never know.
Jun 19 04:15:38 <jblebrun> shades: I mean, it does allow you to type nasty rm commands and delete the whole device :-)
Jun 19 04:15:42 <shades> uh well if i'm clickin on root i'm doing it to change the string i need after mounting that read/write instead of read-only
Jun 19 04:15:59 <shades> yea that's what makes linux sweet
Jun 19 04:16:00 <jblebrun> shades: you can root it, make the change, and then close it back up
Jun 19 04:16:20 <shades> there's no 'are you shure' when you're clicking the trigger when the barrel is down your throat
Jun 19 04:16:43 <jblebrun> I rmrfed my primary drive once
Jun 19 04:16:52 <jblebrun> Due to chroot confusion
Jun 19 04:17:05 <shades> yea
Jun 19 04:17:09 <shades> that's why i don't play as root
Jun 19 04:17:24 <shades> it's like muscle memory, to make a luser as soona s i bring up a box
Jun 19 04:17:31 <shades> i can't bring myself to do anything else
Jun 19 04:18:24 <jblebrun> I'm readin through their browser detection code
Jun 19 04:20:26 <bpadalino> jblebrun: where is that ?
Jun 19 04:20:46 <jblebrun> bpadalino: For his bank,I mean
Jun 19 04:20:58 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 19 04:21:10 <jblebrun> bpadalino: Now I'm looking for the UA string on the pre :-)
Jun 19 04:21:29 <bpadalino> hehe
Jun 19 04:21:49 <shades> this may be a stupid question but what's the proper way to put those ear buds in
Jun 19 04:21:53 <shades> i can't get mine to sit right
Jun 19 04:22:18 <bpadalino> i didn't even unpack them
Jun 19 04:22:24 <ShinAli> double sided tape
Jun 19 04:22:33 <wizkd> super glue
Jun 19 04:22:39 <shades> seriously now
Jun 19 04:22:46 <ShinAli> needle, thread, and a steady hand
Jun 19 04:22:47 <shades> they're almost too loud on the lowest volume setting too
Jun 19 04:22:50 <bpadalino> i have a pair of etymotic research hf5's that i used
Jun 19 04:22:51 <wizkd> I'm looking at mine now to find out
Jun 19 04:23:09 <ShinAli> an encouraging friend and an arc welder
Jun 19 04:23:10 <bpadalino> very good set of earphones if you like those
Jun 19 04:23:19 <shades> how much are they
Jun 19 04:23:23 <shades> i prefer earphones vs buds
Jun 19 04:23:30 <bpadalino> but i don't recommend using them when running outside in the street
Jun 19 04:23:34 <bpadalino> because they block out too much noise
Jun 19 04:23:37 <shades> why's that?
Jun 19 04:23:37 <wizkd> shades, they just don't fit
Jun 19 04:23:42 <shades> oh that's exactly what i'm looking for
Jun 19 04:23:48 <shades> noise blockage
Jun 19 04:23:50 <bpadalino> they're $150 for a pair .. but amazon had a $50 off thing
Jun 19 04:24:02 <bpadalino> these block out ~30dB isolation
Jun 19 04:24:05 <shades> and not that fancy noise cancellationcrap stuff that just plays it louder to cancel the frequency with one of those waves inverted
Jun 19 04:24:09 <shades> that stuff is loose
Jun 19 04:24:23 <bpadalino> yeah - these are the real deal - flat frequency response ..
Jun 19 04:24:23 <seigex> i'm interested in being able to use pre usb port to plug in a thumbdrive .. but doesn't seem to be set up as a host controller :( at least not hotplugging
Jun 19 04:24:26 <shades> 30db, now we're talking
Jun 19 04:24:33 <bpadalino> http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/hf5.aspx
Jun 19 04:25:01 <CreoBrian> evening folks
Jun 19 04:25:07 <bpadalino> worst part is coworkers sneaking up on me while i'm on irc :(
Jun 19 04:25:09 <wizkd> I bought some Ultimate Ears phones, and they rock
Jun 19 04:25:14 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 04:25:40 <shades> those headfones are weaksauce ;(
Jun 19 04:25:41 <bpadalino> but i could easily see myself getting run over by a truck if i had those on and was walking around the street
Jun 19 04:26:11 <shades> http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_portable_502173?Open&row=3 look @ those
Jun 19 04:26:18 <CreoBrian> Question
Jun 19 04:26:22 <shades> 10hz to 19khz
Jun 19 04:26:33 <shades> 120db, not that i'd ever listen to them that loud
Jun 19 04:26:39 <CreoBrian> Anyone know of a way to setup file-sharing via WiFi with the Pre? something like Samba for instance?
Jun 19 04:26:58 <wizkd> CreoBrian, I have mounted my home Win machine via CIFS
Jun 19 04:27:01 <shades> CreoBrian: sounds like you'll be in for a lot less work just plugging a cable in ;)
Jun 19 04:27:06 <seigex> well i used ipkg to download gcc
Jun 19 04:27:13 <bpadalino> shades, same with the hf5's ..
Jun 19 04:27:13 <seigex> so i'm sure you can compile samba a try it out
Jun 19 04:27:27 <bpadalino> hf5 has better isolation too
Jun 19 04:27:29 <wizkd> you can "reverse" mount
Jun 19 04:27:37 <shades> really
Jun 19 04:27:40 <wizkd> Pre supports mounting CIFS
Jun 19 04:27:52 <shades> how is 20hz-15khz and 105db spl the same?
Jun 19 04:27:56 <wizkd> so just share out something, and mount it with your Pre.  That's how I get around it
Jun 19 04:27:56 <shades> as 15-19 && 120
Jun 19 04:28:19 <bpadalino> Maximum output: 120 dB SPL
Jun 19 04:28:29 <shades> if anything the 15hz-19khz is way more sound than 20hz-15khz
Jun 19 04:28:59 <seigex> actually
Jun 19 04:29:01 <seigex> ipkg has samba in it
Jun 19 04:29:05 <CreoBrian> Let me rephrase. I'm not a Linux expert, just a lowly web programmer.. I dont have much experience compiling packages and whatnot.. just wondering if anyones attempted this
Jun 19 04:29:06 <seigex> so you can just install it
Jun 19 04:29:27 <seigex> i'll try it right now
Jun 19 04:29:28 <rwhitby> seigex: s/ipkg/optware/ - Palm uses ipkg too
Jun 19 04:29:40 <CreoBrian> "Cannot find package samba"
Jun 19 04:29:45 <seigex> yeah as long as you know what i mean
Jun 19 04:29:55 <seigex> creo, /opt/bin/ipkg list | grep samba
Jun 19 04:29:59 <shades> oh my bad it's 10hz not 15
Jun 19 04:30:05 <wizkd> Creo, what is your end goal?
Jun 19 04:30:25 <bpadalino> 10Hz 30dB down ?
Jun 19 04:30:26 <rwhitby> seigex: best to tell users 'ipkg-opt' rather than ipkg, so they don't accidentally run the Palm one.
Jun 19 04:30:29 <shades> no
Jun 19 04:30:31 <CreoBrian> I want to enable file sharing to the internal pre drive via WiFi so I dont have to worry about plugging in the cable etc
Jun 19 04:30:37 <seigex> rwhitby, good point noted
Jun 19 04:30:38 <shades> the freq response is from 10hz to 19khz
Jun 19 04:30:43 <shades> vs 20hz-15khz
Jun 19 04:30:45 <wizkd> ah
Jun 19 04:30:48 <shades> that's almost like double the sound
Jun 19 04:31:06 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: Just use scp/sftp - there's instructions on the wiki I think
Jun 19 04:31:19 <shades> there's a srs load of data between 15-19khz
Jun 19 04:31:22 <bpadalino> what are they using as their cutoff for their frequency response ?
Jun 19 04:31:30 <CreoBrian> Oh yeah I was using 'ipkg install'..
Jun 19 04:31:31 <shades> 19khz
Jun 19 04:31:32 <seigex> who here is on irc via their pre? :)
Jun 19 04:31:35 <shades> when human hearing goes up to 22khz
Jun 19 04:31:41 <CreoBrian> IRC for Pre??
Jun 19 04:31:45 <shades> i can hear tones at 23khz
Jun 19 04:31:51 <CreoBrian> web-client I guess
Jun 19 04:31:51 <seigex> i'm running BitchX over ssh on my pre
Jun 19 04:31:55 <CreoBrian> ah
Jun 19 04:31:57 <bpadalino> get earphones that go up to 48kHz then
Jun 19 04:32:06 <shades> and i hear as low as 17hz at least
Jun 19 04:32:08 <seigex> i actually found a way to run it natively .. sorta
Jun 19 04:32:16 <seigex> using a webkit plugin
Jun 19 04:32:17 <bpadalino> super bat hearing
Jun 19 04:32:19 <shades> bpadalino: lol they don't make them that high
Jun 19 04:32:25 <seigex> linked to an app
Jun 19 04:32:26 <shades> at least not as far as I'm aware
Jun 19 04:32:31 <jblebrun> shades: OK fine, your headphones are better. Now stop.
Jun 19 04:32:32 <bpadalino> be the first to make them
Jun 19 04:32:37 <seigex> like sprint nav does
Jun 19 04:32:38 <shades> jblebrun: I didn't say they were mine
Jun 19 04:32:41 <shades> my buddy bought them
Jun 19 04:32:44 <shades> and I was eyeing new headfones
Jun 19 04:32:50 <wizkd> I just installed BitchX on my pre
Jun 19 04:32:53 <wizkd> so I will be soon
Jun 19 04:32:58 <shades> wizkd: what?!
Jun 19 04:33:00 <CreoBrian> The end goal is to walk into my house with my Pre, sit at Win desktop, open win explorer and copy files back n forth
Jun 19 04:33:00 <bpadalino> buy two so you can hear in surround sound
Jun 19 04:33:05 <shades> you had to root it first i take it
Jun 19 04:33:09 <seigex> you can bind bitchx to your sprint account like this:
Jun 19 04:33:19 <wizkd> yes
Jun 19 04:33:20 <seigex> BitchX seigex irc.freenode.net -H <sprint ip>
Jun 19 04:33:31 <AgentSmith> wizkd is crazy
Jun 19 04:33:32 <shades> personally
Jun 19 04:33:36 <shades> i'd rather just ssh to my box
Jun 19 04:33:41 <shades> and then use bitch or irrssi from there
Jun 19 04:33:48 <shades> i don't want my fone, sitting all open to the net
Jun 19 04:33:53 <shades> waiting for any punk ass to start probing it
Jun 19 04:34:04 <bpadalino> too late
Jun 19 04:34:05 <wizkd_pre> and here I am on my pre
Jun 19 04:34:09 <shades> don't irc as root!
Jun 19 04:34:13 <seigex> i think its more interesting than anything :)
Jun 19 04:34:16 <shades> mr 24.8.153.86
Jun 19 04:34:18 <crashx-> ROOT
Jun 19 04:34:20 <wizkd_pre> haha oops
Jun 19 04:34:22 <seigex> i know :)
Jun 19 04:34:22 <shades> lets see what ports you have open
Jun 19 04:34:24 <seigex> i am too
Jun 19 04:34:28 <shades> yoru ip is mine now anyway!
Jun 19 04:34:29 <crashx-> ZHAX
Jun 19 04:34:29 <seigex> yet
Jun 19 04:34:30 <shades> ;)
Jun 19 04:34:35 <seigex> i don't have any ports forwarded
Jun 19 04:34:36 <wizkd> take it
Jun 19 04:34:42 <shades> you can run but you can't hide!
Jun 19 04:34:42 <seigex> and i'm going through my wifi
Jun 19 04:34:43 <shades> ;)
Jun 19 04:34:45 <seigex> so
Jun 19 04:34:45 <wizkd> do with my IP what you will
Jun 19 04:34:59 <Tilton53> lol seigex is root too
Jun 19 04:35:00 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:35:01 <Tilton53> <.<
Jun 19 04:35:08 <AgentSmith> XD
Jun 19 04:35:14 <shades> hey
Jun 19 04:35:15 <seigex> of course.. cus i'm too lazy to open another non-root ssh :)
Jun 19 04:35:16 <shades> do me a favor
Jun 19 04:35:20 * Tilton53 has been talking about a need for some kind of fail2ban script on the pre
Jun 19 04:35:21 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:35:22 <shades> anyone logged on as root
Jun 19 04:35:27 <Tilton53> THIS IS WHY ^
Jun 19 04:35:28 <shades> can you join #remote-exploit for a minute
Jun 19 04:35:35 * AgentSmith concurs with Tilton53 
Jun 19 04:35:35 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 04:35:52 <CreoBrian> Would someone be so kind as to clarify the difference between ipkg and ipkg-opt, and how to make sure I'm using the right one? ipkg seems to have limited packages available (mostly palm ones), but ipkg-opt is not found
Jun 19 04:36:10 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt gives you access to Optware
Jun 19 04:36:21 <crashx-> please download this link www.nothackers.com/notavirus.exe
Jun 19 04:36:24 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:36:26 <crashx-> :D
Jun 19 04:36:27 <CreoBrian> can use from SSH account? doesnt seem to exist
Jun 19 04:36:44 * Tilton53 silent records addresses for the day he sees root@x.x.x.x.sprintpcs.com
Jun 19 04:36:55 <seig3x> there
Jun 19 04:37:00 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: if /opt/bin/ipkg-opt does not exist, then you didn't complete http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 19 04:37:08 <seigex> there not r00t .. happy? :)
Jun 19 04:37:20 <shades> no not really
Jun 19 04:37:20 <CreoBrian> crashx: Please download http://www.howstupidami.com/notenough
Jun 19 04:37:23 <seigex> damn
Jun 19 04:37:26 <Tilton53> yes seigex
Jun 19 04:37:27 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:37:27 <shades> id' be happier if you joined #remote-exploit as root ;)
Jun 19 04:37:28 <seigex> my goal is to make you happy
Jun 19 04:37:30 <crashx-> 404
Jun 19 04:37:34 <Tilton53> * Tilton53 silent records addresses for the day he sees root@x.x.x.x.sprintpcs.com >.>
Jun 19 04:37:40 <Tilton53> seigex ^
Jun 19 04:37:43 <Tilton53> I am watching you
Jun 19 04:37:50 <seigex> well i wasn't on as sprintpcs.com so
Jun 19 04:37:50 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 04:37:55 <Tilton53> not yet
Jun 19 04:37:57 <seigex> actually i think its spcsdns.com
Jun 19 04:37:58 <Tilton53> <.< Just wait
Jun 19 04:38:00 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:38:02 <Tilton53> it is
Jun 19 04:38:16 <Tilton53> but noobs would be like what is spcsdns.com?
Jun 19 04:38:23 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 04:38:25 <shades> yea noobs
Jun 19 04:38:29 <rwhitby> guys, for a start our ssh installation on the pre won't let you in as root without ssh keys, and secondly you'd need to know the username they created and the corresponding password to get in that way ...
Jun 19 04:38:34 <shades> but not the ppl pwning the noobs
Jun 19 04:38:35 <CreoBrian> let me clarify.. ipkg-opt DOES exist at that location, but I cant seem to run it for anything
Jun 19 04:38:39 <wizkd_pre> non-root as well
Jun 19 04:38:42 <seigex> <-- noob.. i only started with linux with slackware '95
Jun 19 04:38:43 <shades> it'd be like in quake, when someone joins the game with the name Player
Jun 19 04:38:53 <Tilton53> rwhitby most people are going to c/p 'preuser'
Jun 19 04:38:54 <seigex> i think it was 1.0b as a kernel
Jun 19 04:38:55 <wizkd_pre> seigex me too
Jun 19 04:38:55 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:38:57 <CreoBrian> hm it looks like a link to ipkg?
Jun 19 04:39:01 <Tilton53> And since there is no fail2ban
Jun 19 04:39:07 <Tilton53> you could just dictionary attack
Jun 19 04:39:17 <Tilton53> since most people will use some kind of simple password
Jun 19 04:39:22 <seigex> wizkd, that was oldschool
Jun 19 04:39:27 <seigex> with my "multi-speed" cd-rom
Jun 19 04:39:33 <wizkd_pre> yes
Jun 19 04:39:36 <CreoBrian> har
Jun 19 04:39:40 <seigex> that i spent several days compiling kernels to get it working
Jun 19 04:39:43 <rwhitby> Tilton53: that's why I'd prefer that we make people create and use ssh keys
Jun 19 04:39:53 <wizkd_pre> 30 minutes per compile, but it was always a fun game
Jun 19 04:39:55 <seigex> and my shit.. what was the sound  card.. sound blaster wave?
Jun 19 04:39:58 <seigex> 16bit
Jun 19 04:40:02 <Tilton53> Think about it, if someone is rooting irc do you think they are going to use ssh keys or complex passwords
Jun 19 04:40:04 <Tilton53> in general
Jun 19 04:40:05 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:40:22 <wizkd_pre> probably use flaws in the client, like buffer overflows
Jun 19 04:40:24 * EvanPro_ is back
Jun 19 04:40:29 <Tilton53> LOL
Jun 19 04:40:29 <furan> yawn
Jun 19 04:40:32 <shades> s/probably/definitly
Jun 19 04:40:35 <shades> just undiscovered
Jun 19 04:40:37 <seigex> well lets see my password is from my military days when they require at least 12 characters and at least 2 of each type
Jun 19 04:40:38 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 04:40:39 <AgentSmith> hahaha soundblaster for the win
Jun 19 04:40:42 <shades> some punk sittin there with a 0day
Jun 19 04:40:42 <Tilton53> DOS attack on pre's?
Jun 19 04:40:53 <CreoBrian> ugh.. scary talk
Jun 19 04:40:53 <rwhitby> So anyway, getting back on topic, has anyone tried the /etc/profile.d/optware file yet?
Jun 19 04:40:53 <shades> waiting to pwnce on someone that's root@ownme
Jun 19 04:40:57 <furan> maybe this channel should go moderated.
Jun 19 04:41:15 <seigex> how do you bind openssh with another interface
Jun 19 04:41:16 <seigex> i forget
Jun 19 04:41:17 <Tilton53> proberly shades
Jun 19 04:41:20 <seigex> and don't feel like googling
Jun 19 04:41:25 <Tilton53> bind?
Jun 19 04:41:37 <jblebrun> shades: I got a valid sign-in page for your bank :-)
Jun 19 04:41:43 <furan> haha
Jun 19 04:41:43 <Tilton53> tunneling or too an IP?
Jun 19 04:41:55 <jblebrun> shades: What's your account login, I'll test it ;-)
Jun 19 04:41:57 <jblebrun> hehe
Jun 19 04:42:02 <shades> haha
Jun 19 04:42:04 <wizkd_pre> Seigex do you mean "limit" ssh to a certain int?
Jun 19 04:42:20 <Tilton53> seigex wouldn't it change anyways since you bind to an IP?
Jun 19 04:42:22 <shades> welli'm ready to crash
Jun 19 04:42:26 <shades> and since there's no ssh client
Jun 19 04:42:30 <seigex> nah not limit
Jun 19 04:42:30 <shades> i can't really talk from bed
Jun 19 04:42:32 <seigex> just bind to
Jun 19 04:42:33 <CreoBrian> sigh.. so does anyone know how I can use ipkg-opt to install Samba, when ipkg-opt seems to do nothing but is a link to ipkg?
Jun 19 04:42:33 <jblebrun> I am not sure if there's a hook to change the UA string
Jun 19 04:42:34 <shades> so ttyl everyone
Jun 19 04:42:35 <Tilton53> if you bind to the sprint connection it won't work very well
Jun 19 04:42:36 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:42:38 <seigex> i want to bind it to my spcs ip
Jun 19 04:42:39 <jblebrun> but you can just change the one in the library bin
Jun 19 04:42:44 <seigex> but i'm only getting it over my wifi ip
Jun 19 04:42:54 <jblebrun> shades: But really, you should tell your bank to hire competent web programmers
Jun 19 04:43:00 <Tilton53> you should be able to use both by default
Jun 19 04:43:16 <seigex> well i've heard sprint doesn't block ports and i'm unable to so i have an issue :)
Jun 19 04:43:57 <seigex> ok here's the project i'm working on.. being able to mount my usb device on linux
Jun 19 04:44:40 <jblebrun> zomg my Pre browser is version 6 now ;-)
Jun 19 04:44:43 <EvanPro_> seigex: last i checked, sprint at least blocks port 80.
Jun 19 04:45:27 <CreoBrian> does anyone know how I can use ipkg-opt to install Samba, when ipkg-opt seems to do nothing but is a link to ipkg?
Jun 19 04:45:44 <seigex> yeah /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install samba
Jun 19 04:46:00 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 04:46:03 <CreoBrian> -sh: ipkg-opt: not found
Jun 19 04:46:05 <ShinAli> yeah
Jun 19 04:46:08 <seigex> thats the same as /opt/bin/ipkg
Jun 19 04:46:22 <CreoBrian> it doesnt work
Jun 19 04:46:28 <seigex> they change the name to ipkg-opt because it uses only the /opt directory and opt-ware and so you don't confuse it with /bin/ipkg
Jun 19 04:46:30 <wizkd> what does it spit out when you try
Jun 19 04:46:40 <CreoBrian> It just says "-sh: ipkg-opt: not found "
Jun 19 04:46:43 <seigex> then try /opt/bin/ipkg install samba
Jun 19 04:46:53 <jblebrun> CreoBrian: Have you followed the instructions for installing OptWare?
Jun 19 04:47:00 <seigex> good point jblebrun
Jun 19 04:47:03 <seigex> lmao
Jun 19 04:47:15 <CreoBrian> Yes
Jun 19 04:47:28 <wizkd> Creo did that work?
Jun 19 04:47:32 <CreoBrian> with great care and precision, I'll add, as I said before ;)
Jun 19 04:47:36 <seigex> creo did you try what i said.. taking out the -opt
Jun 19 04:47:45 <CreoBrian> I tried it yes. End result,
Jun 19 04:48:01 <CreoBrian> it tells me permission denied. Clearly I am intended to run this as root :S
Jun 19 04:48:09 <wizkd> yes
Jun 19 04:48:10 <seigex> root@castle:/opt/bin# ./ipkg install samba
Jun 19 04:48:10 <seigex> Installing samba (3.2.12-1) to root...
Jun 19 04:48:10 <seigex> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/samba_3.2.12-1_arm.ipk
Jun 19 04:48:27 <seigex> yeah thats a good idea
Jun 19 04:48:52 <CreoBrian> I realize I should have surmised that already. Any way to gain root access via ssh? I dont have the rooter on this PC
Jun 19 04:48:54 <Tilton53> lol
Jun 19 04:48:59 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 04:48:59 <seigex> su
Jun 19 04:49:00 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 04:49:03 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:49:05 <Tilton53> or sudo
Jun 19 04:49:08 <seigex> unless you added sudo then sudo -s
Jun 19 04:49:13 <Tilton53> depending on what you installed
Jun 19 04:49:15 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:49:22 <rwhitby> latest instructions default to sudo now
Jun 19 04:49:28 <Tilton53> :D
Jun 19 04:49:29 <Tilton53> Yays
Jun 19 04:49:30 <wizkd> yeah, sudo has to be installed first
Jun 19 04:49:33 <seigex> i like su better.. never was an ubuntu person
Jun 19 04:49:33 <CreoBrian> oh.. wish I'd followed those. like sudo better
Jun 19 04:49:33 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 04:49:45 <Tilton53> yeah so it's 'sudo /opt/bin/ipkg install samba'
Jun 19 04:49:46 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:50:00 <seigex> i think ubuntu is the macos of the linux world if you know what i mean
Jun 19 04:50:07 <CreoBrian> no way to install sudo without root, for which I need sudo (or the rooter+python)
Jun 19 04:50:14 <seigex> no
Jun 19 04:50:15 <wizkd> seigex I totally agree
Jun 19 04:50:19 <seigex> initially you telnet in
Jun 19 04:50:25 <seigex> and log in as root
Jun 19 04:50:25 <jblebrun> Who was looking at a2dp?
Jun 19 04:50:29 <nebula> me
Jun 19 04:50:37 <seigex> however ssh doesn't allow root login unless you tell it to
Jun 19 04:50:39 * CreoBrian likes Ubuntu.. Linux for dumb intellectuals
Jun 19 04:50:40 <seigex> which would be bad
Jun 19 04:50:45 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:50:46 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 04:50:50 <jblebrun> a2dp headsets don't work by default?
Jun 19 04:50:55 <Tilton53> CreoBrian you didn't install su or sudo yet?
Jun 19 04:50:57 <Tilton53> O.o
Jun 19 04:50:59 <CreoBrian> su
Jun 19 04:51:07 <goatslacker> anyone know where the calendar app stores the preferences like sync source?
Jun 19 04:51:07 <nebula> jblebrun: they work fine, it's just the bitpool setting that is too low
Jun 19 04:51:13 <seigex> then just type su .. when you have a hash (#) at the end it means you're root
Jun 19 04:51:22 <wizkd> "su -"
Jun 19 04:51:36 <seigex> probably in the sql database
Jun 19 04:52:05 <rwhitby> pEEf: ready for some quilting?
Jun 19 04:52:07 <jblebrun> goatslacker: check /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db
Jun 19 04:52:08 <goatslacker> good call
Jun 19 04:52:16 <jblebrun> yay for quilts!
Jun 19 04:52:25 <seigex> sqlite3
Jun 19 04:52:55 <jblebrun> nebula: which results in crappy quality?
Jun 19 04:53:08 <CreoBrian> sorry, I lost wifi for a sec. when typing "su root" I get "su: must be suid to work properly" -- please forgive the ongoing ignorance
Jun 19 04:53:10 <CreoBrian> ?
Jun 19 04:53:13 <nebula> jblebrun: for people like me who care, yep :)
Jun 19 04:53:30 <nebula> it should be bitpool ~60, whereas i think it's around 40
Jun 19 04:53:39 <wizkd> Creo you have to telnet in first as root, then link buxybox to su and chmod +s
Jun 19 04:53:41 <Tilton53> CreoBrian
Jun 19 04:53:46 <Tilton53> just tupe "su"
Jun 19 04:53:48 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:53:58 <Tilton53> and what wizkd said
Jun 19 04:53:58 <wizkd> it's in the wiki
Jun 19 04:53:59 <Tilton53> >D
Jun 19 04:54:06 <CreoBrian> same result Tilton. Guess I need the rooter & python
Jun 19 04:54:13 <wizkd> yes
Jun 19 04:54:14 <seigex> you can type telnet localhost and log in as root
Jun 19 04:54:19 <Tilton53> yeah you kind of forgot to finish
Jun 19 04:54:21 <Tilton53> >.>
Jun 19 04:54:23 <seigex> oh telnetd probably isn't up
Jun 19 04:54:39 <Tilton53> No because he isn't using the phyton kit
Jun 19 04:54:43 <flare576> Hello all.  I followed the instructions for enabling root access from work on an xp box, and now I'm trying to get back into it via my vista64 box at home; are there any known issues I should be aware of? (Telnet is installed, but I can't seem to get in)
Jun 19 04:55:00 <Tilton53> O.o
Jun 19 04:55:04 <CreoBrian> I read to the end of the article.
Jun 19 04:55:06 <seigex>  you already installed ssh on the pre?
Jun 19 04:55:06 <Tilton53> Flare you didn't install ssh?
Jun 19 04:55:18 <seigex> damn tilton, great minds think alike i guess
Jun 19 04:55:24 <flare576> Tilton53: no, I couldn't get wifi access from work :(
Jun 19 04:55:26 <CreoBrian> I did everything on the page "adding-the-ipkg-repository"
Jun 19 04:55:34 <Tilton53> You need ssh flare
Jun 19 04:55:39 <furan> wow how many cables are there
Jun 19 04:55:41 <seigex> you already ran talk.py
Jun 19 04:55:42 <nebula> flare576: telnet goes away after a reboot
Jun 19 04:55:42 <goatslacker> jblebrun, nope, not there :\
Jun 19 04:55:45 <furan> holy crap guys
Jun 19 04:55:51 <furan> bah
Jun 19 04:55:53 <Tilton53> though you might be able to get back with telnet flare576
Jun 19 04:55:55 <Tilton53> look on the wiki
Jun 19 04:55:58 <seigex> and you have the novacom drivers installed?
Jun 19 04:56:01 <furan> yawn.
Jun 19 04:56:02 <Tilton53> there is a footnote about vista
Jun 19 04:56:02 <bifflechips> flare576: i had issues at first when i was using the x86 novacom driver, make sure you install the 64 one
Jun 19 04:56:03 <flare576> seigex: Yup, I ran the talk.py from work, but do I need to run it agian?
Jun 19 04:56:06 <seigex> (windows 7 installs them automatically)
Jun 19 04:56:06 <goatslacker> i'll keep grepping around. i really want to sync my last.fm events cal
Jun 19 04:56:07 <seigex> no
Jun 19 04:56:13 <seigex> but you need the novacom drivers installed
Jun 19 04:56:14 <goatslacker> and i'm thinking the calendar pulls an xml feed
Jun 19 04:56:18 <wizkd> Creo what does "ls -al /usr/local/bin/su" output?
Jun 19 04:56:26 <flare576> bifflechips: Yup, I made the same mistake, rolled back the _x86, and installed the 64 bit ones
Jun 19 04:56:32 <seigex> you know what,, it probably is stored on palm profile on their servers
Jun 19 04:56:46 <CreoBrian> I did everything that was on the "Enable Root Access" and "Adding the ipkg repository" pages as of yesterday afternoon.
Jun 19 04:56:47 <nebula> seigex: i belive 7 lacks the service needed for novacom comms
Jun 19 04:57:01 <seigex> i did it all from y7
Jun 19 04:57:03 <seigex> err 7
Jun 19 04:57:15 <nebula> hrm
Jun 19 04:57:17 <nebula> what build
Jun 19 04:57:19 <seigex> windows 7 rc1
Jun 19 04:57:32 <CreoBrian> "no such file"
Jun 19 04:57:40 <nebula> wonder if thats why mine didnt work, i had a different build
Jun 19 04:57:42 <wizkd> CreoBrian, then you missed a step
Jun 19 04:57:43 <seigex> creo type sudo -s
Jun 19 04:57:44 <CreoBrian> maybe I did miss a step. dang.. and I was so careful too
Jun 19 04:57:58 <flare576> nebula: So, telnet goes away after reboot, so I should be basically starting fresh again?  When I try to re-run talk.py, I get some errors not mentioned on the wiki
Jun 19 04:58:12 <nebula> what are the errors
Jun 19 04:58:15 <nebula> dpaste them
Jun 19 04:58:26 <nebula> it's probably the wrong version of python
Jun 19 04:58:33 <seigex> pastebin ^^^ topic
Jun 19 04:58:34 <oc80z> hi all
Jun 19 04:58:54 <oc80z> full screen battery bolt still displaying, pulled the batt, should be fully charged
Jun 19 04:58:57 <flare576> I grabbed 2.6.2 at work and home, thought latest bug patch would be ok
Jun 19 04:59:04 <flare576> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 19 04:59:23 <nebula> needs to be 2.6
Jun 19 04:59:36 <goatslacker> not in the sql eihter
Jun 19 04:59:42 <flare576> kk, 2.6.2 worked from the xp box, vista might be pickier
Jun 19 05:00:07 <nebula> i think 2.6.2 is considered 2.6, i could be wrong
Jun 19 05:00:15 <wizkd> ha
Jun 19 05:00:18 <nebula> ie., not 2.9
Jun 19 05:00:20 <CreoBrian> 2.6.2 worked OK for me
Jun 19 05:00:21 <nebula> etc.
Jun 19 05:00:39 <nebula> run as admin, etc. compatibility mode, etc.
Jun 19 05:00:42 <flare576> aight, I'll keep that in case I can't find another problem with what I'm doing since it worked from xp.
Jun 19 05:00:42 <nebula> try some stuff
Jun 19 05:00:47 <oc80z> so annoying
Jun 19 05:01:02 <flare576> yup yup, thanks for the tip about telnet dying after a restart if SSH isn't installed. :)
Jun 19 05:02:09 <seigex> anyone ever do a webkit plugin
Jun 19 05:03:57 <wizkd> no, but I'd like to figure that out
Jun 19 05:05:01 <jblebrun> goatslacker: how about the dbs in /var/luna/data/dbdata
Jun 19 05:05:28 * goatslacker looks
Jun 19 05:06:23 <seigex> btw, in case anyone hasn't looked.. you can go through the applications dir and if you look at the sprinttv application.. gives you some good insight into how to access all the channels on sprint tv :) since its all rtsp protocol (real player)
Jun 19 05:06:40 <seigex> guess it shouln't be hard to play on ur laptop :)
Jun 19 05:06:58 <nebula> good catch
Jun 19 05:07:29 <jblebrun> Wasn't that in the news a few years ago?
Jun 19 05:07:35 <jblebrun> Accessing SprintTV channels from a desktop machine?
Jun 19 05:07:40 * nebula whistles
Jun 19 05:07:56 <nebula> i'll be going now
Jun 19 05:07:58 <nebula> :)
Jun 19 05:08:10 <seigex> *shrug*
Jun 19 05:08:21 <goatslacker> jblebrun, yeah i think that's the place
Jun 19 05:08:51 <goatslacker> unfortunately i'm guessing this calls a url which does the dirty work and feeds it to the calendar app
Jun 19 05:09:11 <jblebrun> What calls a URL?
Jun 19 05:09:42 <goatslacker> the calendar app to perform the sync
Jun 19 05:10:00 <jblebrun> goatslacker: What're you trying to do?
Jun 19 05:10:13 <goatslacker> i want to add my last.fm events to my calendar
Jun 19 05:10:33 <jblebrun> Oh, cool, writing a synergy plugin kind of thing?
Jun 19 05:10:58 <goatslacker> yeah, i was hoping the calendar app called xml files and did the sync that way
Jun 19 05:12:05 <zsazs> haha
Jun 19 05:12:07 <CreoBrian> If its just a URL, you should be able to mimic the request..
Jun 19 05:12:11 <goatslacker> i could just export it to google calendar....
Jun 19 05:12:12 <sloppyjm> anny new apps or hacks
Jun 19 05:12:17 <zsazs> crashed the pre trying to get usb host support working
Jun 19 05:12:17 <goatslacker> lol, didn't realize this.
Jun 19 05:12:23 <zsazs> i hope it can work
Jun 19 05:12:37 <oc80z> i like the URL luna://
Jun 19 05:13:02 <nebula> uri?
Jun 19 05:13:03 <jblebrun> goatslacker: That might be easier, for now :-)
Jun 19 05:13:06 <oc80z> er yea
Jun 19 05:14:03 <flare576> sorry to have to ask this, but I'm not familiar enough with Python's site layout: how can I get 2.6 instead of 2.6.2?  Not finding a link as I dig deeper :/
Jun 19 05:14:27 <sloppyjm> just get 2.5.4 its better
Jun 19 05:14:37 <flare576> aighty
Jun 19 05:14:39 <nebula> flare576: i believe those are one in the same
Jun 19 05:14:44 <nebula> 2.6/2.6.2
Jun 19 05:15:02 <sloppyjm> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.4/
Jun 19 05:15:08 <flare576> hmm, I thought so too, and it worked from xp, but vista is not pleased with trying to run talk.py
Jun 19 05:15:22 <goatslacker> ok now back to worrying about orientation on my app :P
Jun 19 05:15:22 <nebula> hrm
Jun 19 05:15:24 <flare576> running as admin, and I get a strange error...
Jun 19 05:16:01 <sloppyjm> flare: i tried useing windows 7 but wont work for talk.py
Jun 19 05:16:07 <flare576> at the risk of being kicked for spam, should I post the output?  it's 7 lines
Jun 19 05:16:18 <goatslacker> flare576, pastebin it
Jun 19 05:16:19 <jblebrun> flare: pastebin.org
Jun 19 05:16:21 <nebula> dpaste or pastebin
Jun 19 05:16:50 <jblebrun> goatslacker: What's your app do?
Jun 19 05:17:25 <goatslacker> it's a simple logic based game
Jun 19 05:17:34 <jblebrun> Yay, games!
Jun 19 05:17:39 <oc80z> la chupa cabra!
Jun 19 05:17:44 <goatslacker> nothing fancy
Jun 19 05:18:02 <flare576> very cool site http://dpaste.com/57063/
Jun 19 05:18:04 <oc80z> games? bah games
Jun 19 05:18:11 <goatslacker> but it's about bursting groups of bubbles
Jun 19 05:18:14 <CreoBrian> my palm pre + 1 more game = 1 palm pre with 1 game
Jun 19 05:18:25 <oc80z> we need to poll daily political newspaper comics
Jun 19 05:18:32 <CreoBrian> but only because 100% of current offerings = crap
Jun 19 05:18:32 <oc80z> hundreds per day :D i can raed those all the time
Jun 19 05:18:38 <flare576> oh, come on CreoBrian, you can have buggy-ass sodoku!
Jun 19 05:18:49 <goatslacker> haha
Jun 19 05:18:54 <CreoBrian> I sodon't sodoku
Jun 19 05:18:54 <seigex> ahh tahts good beer and mac n' cheese
Jun 19 05:18:56 <nebula> nintendo works ;)
Jun 19 05:19:01 <flare576> it's ok that it leaks into your other apps!
Jun 19 05:19:06 <CreoBrian> NES is my next project, after samba
Jun 19 05:19:19 <flare576> anyway, that's the output I get from talk.py: http://dpaste.com/57063/
Jun 19 05:19:22 <jblebrun> nebula: Did you get input working?
Jun 19 05:19:26 <seigex> my current project is an irc client
Jun 19 05:19:28 <nebula> jblebrun: yup
Jun 19 05:19:30 <jblebrun> Nice
Jun 19 05:19:40 <seigex> that runs on luna..
Jun 19 05:19:44 <nebula> its a litty laggy, but it works ;)
Jun 19 05:19:55 <goatslacker> seigex, sweet
Jun 19 05:20:00 <nebula> not in luna though
Jun 19 05:20:05 <nebula> just proof of concept
Jun 19 05:20:07 <seigex> only isue i have is i'm a palm developer and i'm bound by a non discolsure agreement :(
Jun 19 05:20:09 <oc80z> is this relevant: http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 19 05:20:12 <sloppyjm> my current project is to take over the world with my pre
Jun 19 05:20:39 <seigex> and apparently i can't spell
Jun 19 05:20:53 <zsazs> oc80z: yes, i am using their kernel patches to see if usb host support is feasable
Jun 19 05:21:14 <seigex> zsazs i've been working on that all day
Jun 19 05:21:26 <seigex> it'd be nice if we could get a leak of their joblin kernel
Jun 19 05:21:27 <oc80z> ok
Jun 19 05:21:41 <jblebrun> Is there a host controller IC on the device?
Jun 19 05:21:46 <seigex> it uses TWL4030 for usb support
Jun 19 05:21:51 <seigex> and yes its a host controller
Jun 19 05:22:09 <seigex> only driver it has is a gadgets driver which gives it its mass storage support
Jun 19 05:22:14 <oc80z> hmm
Jun 19 05:22:17 <oc80z> really
Jun 19 05:22:28 <EvanPro_> seigex: that means they have tcp/socket connections available, if you're making an IRC client. :)... (i couldn't imagine you're making an ajax-based client)
Jun 19 05:22:29 <jblebrun> The touchpanel is USB, right?
Jun 19 05:22:31 <tmzt_> that's probably the transceiver
Jun 19 05:22:34 <tmzt_> only
Jun 19 05:22:40 <zsazs> seigex: have you done any work on poking /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc.0/mode to get it go into host mode?
Jun 19 05:22:58 <seigex> evanpro, well actually i'm looking at something a bit more than what i'm allowed to do based on the api they give us access to (which is very little)
Jun 19 05:23:13 <oc80z> oh for fucks sake, novaproxy goes in through dropbear?
Jun 19 05:23:15 <seigex> i'm going to write a backend program that will push it to the program
Jun 19 05:23:15 <zsazs> as soon as i cat "b_host" or "a_host" to it, the pre crashes and reboots
Jun 19 05:23:39 <oc80z> uv got to be joking
Jun 19 05:23:41 <EvanPro_> seigex: dangit.. that's what i was hoping you weren't doing, haha.
Jun 19 05:23:54 <jblebrun> seigex: backend i.e. server-side?
Jun 19 05:23:57 <oc80z> i took dropbear off
Jun 19 05:24:04 <oc80z> bah bbiab
Jun 19 05:24:04 <CreoBrian> anyone know what the "psuedo-official" attitude of Palm is toward the homebrew crowd? just curious
Jun 19 05:24:19 <seigex> zsazs nah i just noticed it before i said fuck it and gave up for a little.. i'm was planning on compiling a usb-storage driver for it but haven't been lucky finding one already ported to arm yet
Jun 19 05:24:35 <seigex> jble, pre-side :) make it faster
Jun 19 05:24:44 <tmzt_> zsazs: the usb host is used for the msm chip (verified that yesterday)
Jun 19 05:25:09 <seigex> i notice that the usb host is already active... as the CDMA modem is usb
Jun 19 05:25:17 <jblebrun> seigex: So one would still need to be root to fully install the app?
Jun 19 05:25:20 <seigex> if you do lsusb (an optware package) it shows only the cdma modem
Jun 19 05:25:34 <tmzt_> I think it might be using the same pmux protocol
Jun 19 05:25:58 <zsazs> well, I'm trying to get the usb otg port to think it's in host mode
Jun 19 05:26:08 <seigex> jblebrun, yeah unfortunately.. they are only giving certain companies high-end access to the api and native support.. the early program developers are missing out on alot
Jun 19 05:26:17 <tmzt_> seigex: did you try a beagle kernel tree?
Jun 19 05:26:35 <zsazs> we have palm's kernel tree now
Jun 19 05:26:37 <jblebrun> seigex: I was assuming that would be the case.
Jun 19 05:26:42 <zsazs> and we know what compiler they used
Jun 19 05:26:43 <seigex> i even cut up 2 cords so i could make usb male to micro female adapter
Jun 19 05:26:46 <tmzt_> oh, where?
Jun 19 05:26:48 <zsazs> so making our own modules should be trivial
Jun 19 05:26:55 <seigex> zsazs, you do??
Jun 19 05:26:56 <tmzt_> good
Jun 19 05:26:58 <flare576> I don't think this is a question you guys can answer, but I'll try: Is there a way in Vista to ensure it's seeing the Pre as the proper device after installing NovacomInstaller_x64.msi ?
Jun 19 05:27:03 <zsazs> tmzt, seigex: http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 19 05:27:11 <seigex> i didn't see the kernel just some packages
Jun 19 05:27:22 <seigex> lemme look again
Jun 19 05:27:23 <tmzt_> devmgmt.msc
Jun 19 05:27:38 <rwhitby> seigex: the patches on opensource.palm.com have the joplin kernel there
Jun 19 05:27:46 <seigex> oh look at that
Jun 19 05:27:52 <seigex> and there's a linux-hotplug
Jun 19 05:28:00 <flare576> tmzt_: yeah, I was lookin through there, what am I looking for if you're familiar with it?
Jun 19 05:28:06 <rwhitby> we're working on Pre kernel modules for optware right now ..
Jun 19 05:28:21 <flare576> heh, maybe "Palm Novacom Modules"  my eyes work, really.
Jun 19 05:28:47 <seigex> thats what i get for just checking that real quick
Jun 19 05:28:59 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Which modules are people working on?
Jun 19 05:29:21 <rwhitby> jblebrun: we'll enable any that make sense
Jun 19 05:30:05 <rwhitby> jblebrun: have a look in http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/sources/kernel-modules to see what we normally do
Jun 19 05:30:28 <tmzt_> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.0.1/linuxkernel-2.6.24.tgz
Jun 19 05:30:47 <seigex> <-- gitty over the possibilities
Jun 19 05:30:48 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 05:30:49 <tmzt_> also a patch
Jun 19 05:31:00 <tmzt_> but no git tree I can see
Jun 19 05:31:01 <zsazs> nice
Jun 19 05:31:45 <seigex> s/gitty/excited
Jun 19 05:32:24 <jblebrun> bu-dum bump
Jun 19 05:32:27 <rwhitby> we've confirmed that the defconfig for sirlion matches what's currently on the Pre too
Jun 19 05:33:50 <tmzt_> flare576: no icons warning/x
Jun 19 05:34:35 <seigex> hm
Jun 19 05:34:35 <flare576> nope, and it shows an entry with "Device working properly"
Jun 19 05:34:46 <flare576> so I'm pretty sure my Python is just being difficult
Jun 19 05:34:49 <seigex> wow i'm still here even thorugh a phone call.. luckily it doesn't cut wifi
Jun 19 05:34:54 <flare576> trying to rip out 2.6.2 and try 2.5.4
Jun 19 05:34:58 <flare576> just taking forever
Jun 19 05:35:12 <tmzt_> seigex: what are you using?
Jun 19 05:35:22 <seigex> bitchx on my pre
Jun 19 05:35:32 <seigex> ia ssh
Jun 19 05:35:34 <seigex> err via ssh
Jun 19 05:35:34 <tmzt_> what terminal?
Jun 19 05:35:36 <sloppyjm> yeah python takes years ahaha
Jun 19 05:35:59 <flare576> the uninstaller is just hanging there :/
Jun 19 05:36:06 <sloppyjm> just wait
Jun 19 05:36:08 <sloppyjm> itle go
Jun 19 05:36:15 <sloppyjm> i knwo it should take maybe 10 misn idk
Jun 19 05:36:23 * flare576 takes a nap
Jun 19 05:36:36 * nebula goes to bed at 1:36AM... bah
Jun 19 05:36:56 <EvanPro_> thanks to whoever added my page to "the good stuff" :)
Jun 19 05:37:11 <flare576> I hope this does it; I can ping the device, I can see it in device manager, I just can't get talk.py to execute
Jun 19 05:37:57 <tmzt_> ping the device?
Jun 19 05:37:58 <seigex> <-- goes to bed at about 6am pdt
Jun 19 05:38:04 <tmzt_> over wifi?
Jun 19 05:38:07 <flare576> yah
Jun 19 05:38:46 <seigex> wonder if i'm missing any dependencies to compile the kernel on my pre
Jun 19 05:39:10 <tmzt_> no
Jun 19 05:39:21 <jblebrun> I like that the web browser is a browser plugin that's a browser.
Jun 19 05:39:29 <tmzt_> you need make, gcc, binitils and maybe curses
Jun 19 05:39:35 <tmzt_> hah
Jun 19 05:39:56 <tmzt_> I'm happy the ipc stuff has source
Jun 19 05:40:10 <seigex> what about being able to update upstart
Jun 19 05:40:17 <seigex> so it boots to the new kernel
Jun 19 05:41:16 <seigex> guess so
Jun 19 05:41:28 <seigex> the pre even has man pages
Jun 19 05:42:31 <flare576> I'm not real familiar with Linux, so the thought that I could use the Pre as my "learning box" crossed my mind, and then died when I realized I couldn't "just reinstall the OS"
Jun 19 05:42:54 <tmzt_> nothing for framebuffer though
Jun 19 05:43:00 <tmzt_> flare576: why not?
Jun 19 05:43:07 <CreoBrian> anyone know the path to the root of the browsable USB drive?
Jun 19 05:43:31 <seigex> ./media/internal
Jun 19 05:43:40 <seigex> without the .
Jun 19 05:43:47 <flare576> if I nuke a core file while sudo'ing or in root?  how would I rebuild it?  does the doctor stuff restore that low?
Jun 19 05:43:51 <CreoBrian> thanks
Jun 19 05:45:01 <seigex> wow it got quiet in here
Jun 19 05:45:07 <seigex> there goes all the creativity
Jun 19 05:45:09 <tmzt_> core file?
Jun 19 05:45:11 <rwhitby> flare576: webOS Doctor is the same as "just reinstall the OS"
Jun 19 05:45:22 <tmzt_> doctor restores the filesystem at least
Jun 19 05:45:27 <flare576> not just webOS?
Jun 19 05:45:31 <rwhitby> seigex: that time of the day - US people go to sleep.
Jun 19 05:45:38 <tmzt_> if that doesn't work you have to use trenchcoat
Jun 19 05:45:38 <seigex> i'm in the US i'm still awake
Jun 19 05:45:38 <rwhitby> flare576: complete rootfs
Jun 19 05:45:48 <flare576> nice, good to know :)
Jun 19 05:46:18 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 05:46:23 <flare576> while I'm waiting for Vista and Python2.6.2 to part ways, I'm trying to get my ancient laptop geared up to work with teh Pre...
Jun 19 05:46:42 <seigex> upgrade to windows 7 and you'll be fine
Jun 19 05:46:54 <flare576> doing anything in vista feels like pulling teeth :/
Jun 19 05:47:05 <seigex> then upgrade to windows 7
Jun 19 05:47:06 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 05:47:25 <flare576> wiki says these steps don't even work with 7...
Jun 19 05:47:34 <seigex> i'm in 7 and i'm on my pre
Jun 19 05:47:45 <flare576> why do wiki pages lie?!
Jun 19 05:47:50 <sloppyjm> yeah rootingg wont work in 7 everythign else does
Jun 19 05:47:58 <seigex> because thy're created by fallable humans :)
Jun 19 05:48:03 <seigex> sloppy, i rooted from 7
Jun 19 05:48:04 * CreoBrian momentarily imagines Windows 7 running on Pre.. then shudders and discards the gruesome image
Jun 19 05:48:06 <seigex> with no problem
Jun 19 05:48:09 <sloppyjm> what versoin
Jun 19 05:48:12 <seigex> rcd1
Jun 19 05:48:13 <seigex> err
Jun 19 05:48:14 <seigex> rc1
Jun 19 05:48:27 <sloppyjm> hum same here 32 bit os ?
Jun 19 05:48:37 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 05:48:47 <seigex> 64 bit might not work because of drivers for novacom
Jun 19 05:48:54 <seigex> but i think i saw 64 bit versions somewhere
Jun 19 05:49:05 <seigex> yeah they had a 64 bit msi for the novacom drivers
Jun 19 05:49:11 <sloppyjm> weird
Jun 19 05:49:17 <seigex> in the doctor file
Jun 19 05:49:17 <sloppyjm> vista didint let em root
Jun 19 05:49:22 <sloppyjm> i mena 7
Jun 19 05:49:26 <seigex> i got it working first time
Jun 19 05:49:28 <seigex> ran talk.py
Jun 19 05:49:30 <seigex> and telnetted in
Jun 19 05:49:34 <sloppyjm> hum well cool
Jun 19 05:49:40 <sloppyjm> not all 7 machines work
Jun 19 05:49:47 <seigex> heh
Jun 19 05:49:48 <sloppyjm> i recomend useing xp
Jun 19 05:50:15 <seigex> i tether with my win 7 box.. of course thats easy using putty
Jun 19 05:50:40 <seigex> i mean uh *cough*i don't tether*cough*I would never do that, Sprint*cough*
Jun 19 05:50:45 <flare576> I'm in!  XP for the.. win?  I feel dirty
Jun 19 05:50:52 <seigex> haha
Jun 19 05:51:20 <timboy> what is Voice Privacy?
Jun 19 05:51:21 <sloppyjm> ahhah
Jun 19 05:51:27 <sloppyjm> yeah what is that
Jun 19 05:51:35 <seigex> not sure.. maybe some encryption?
Jun 19 05:51:50 <sloppyjm> hum would it slow our speeds down thow
Jun 19 05:52:04 <sloppyjm> maybe its some government option
Jun 19 05:52:33 <sloppyjm> maybe the phone will explode
Jun 19 05:52:42 <CreoBrian> fyi.. i am able to root and telnet in Vista x64
Jun 19 05:53:06 <seigex> here's voice privacy re: a different phone
Jun 19 05:53:07 <seigex> Voice privacy is an encryption setting. Verizon doesn't support this
Jun 19 05:53:07 <seigex> feature, so it doesn't really do anything.
Jun 19 05:53:07 <seigex> FWIW, it's not exactly easy to eavesdrop on a CDMA digital call anyway,
Jun 19 05:53:07 <seigex> so at least for now, encryption is useless. And if someone DOES have
Jun 19 05:53:07 <seigex> the resources and assets in place to eavesdrop on your calls (and isn't
Jun 19 05:53:08 <seigex> law enforcement), then it's very likely that having your calls listened
Jun 19 05:53:10 <seigex> in on is the *least* of your worries.
Jun 19 05:53:12 <sloppyjm> Someone should make a tutorial for all the diferant os's
Jun 19 05:53:33 <seigex> so i guess i'm right.. encryption?
Jun 19 05:53:59 <j0sh> as far as i know xp, xp64, vista x86/x64, server 2003 x86/x64, and server 2008 x86/x64 are all the same process
Jun 19 05:54:02 <j0sh> from what i can tell
Jun 19 05:54:06 <j0sh> and ive done it on all of them
Jun 19 05:54:34 <j0sh> install driver, install python, plug in phone, run script
Jun 19 05:54:42 <flare576> CreoBrian: what version of python?
Jun 19 05:54:44 <seigex> add win7 to that.. for at least me
Jun 19 05:54:47 <seigex> you know what
Jun 19 05:54:49 <CreoBrian> 2.6.2.
Jun 19 05:54:50 <seigex> for all you on windows 7
Jun 19 05:54:50 <sloppyjm> thats cool can we get a windows 7 tutorial then
Jun 19 05:54:52 <j0sh> i havent gotten it to work on win7
Jun 19 05:54:55 <seigex> did you try "run as administrator"
Jun 19 05:54:58 <seigex> for the command prompt
Jun 19 05:55:02 <flare576> CreoBrian: well what the crap is my problem :/
Jun 19 05:55:07 <CreoBrian> sorry flare
Jun 19 05:55:08 <sloppyjm> i did it wouldnt budge
Jun 19 05:55:12 <j0sh> someone did it using xp mode, which is a virtual solution
Jun 19 05:55:14 <seigex> not sure why mine worked
Jun 19 05:55:14 <flare576> seigex: yeah, I'm double checked lol
Jun 19 05:55:22 <tiv_> glad I'm a recent mac convert
Jun 19 05:55:23 <j0sh> and i have UAC disabled on win7, so its always running as admin
Jun 19 05:55:23 <seigex> i guess i got lucky
Jun 19 05:55:29 <tiv_> the process is so much easier than dealing with windows
Jun 19 05:55:33 <flare576> xp is working, though, soon I'll be SSH and not have to do rooting evar again
Jun 19 05:55:35 <CreoBrian> mine worked once i got past a number of annoying ID10T errors
Jun 19 05:55:58 <j0sh> well you always want to have the ability to get in via telnet if you need to
Jun 19 05:56:16 <flare576> I'll have a xp around for that ;)
Jun 19 05:56:22 <j0sh> if anyone knows of a way to enable that permanently once you get in
Jun 19 05:56:31 <j0sh> instead of rerunning the script
Jun 19 05:56:32 <sloppyjm> he i wonder if a dotnet fix could b our problem in windows 7
Jun 19 05:56:34 <j0sh> that would be useful
Jun 19 05:56:44 <seigex> any thoughts on getting GtkFB to work on the pre?
Jun 19 05:56:47 <rwhitby> you don't want to enable telnet permanently
Jun 19 05:56:58 <flare576> god no
Jun 19 05:56:59 <j0sh> well i want to have the ability to turn it on and off
Jun 19 05:57:08 <j0sh> without running a script while connected to usb
Jun 19 05:57:14 <flare576> best way man
Jun 19 05:57:30 <sloppyjm> josh please come over and keep your phone on telenet so i can play with it :)
Jun 19 05:57:31 <j0sh> i would like to be able to enable it from inside ssh
Jun 19 05:57:36 <flare576> forcing hardwired connection is the only way to make sure you're supposed to have root :)
Jun 19 05:57:37 <tiv_> I've grown to love the activity in the chan the past few days
Jun 19 05:57:45 <j0sh> yeah uh
Jun 19 05:57:50 <j0sh> i changed my root pw
Jun 19 05:57:54 <seigex> i miss my irc days
Jun 19 05:57:56 <j0sh> so even with telnet you cant get in
Jun 19 05:57:59 <tiv_> me too lol
Jun 19 05:58:00 <j0sh> without a pass
Jun 19 05:58:00 <sloppyjm> theirs always brute
Jun 19 05:58:09 <seigex> the EFNet days
Jun 19 05:58:11 <j0sh> yeah, and im not suggesting it stay on always
Jun 19 05:58:18 <j0sh> i just want the ability to turn it on and off at will
Jun 19 05:58:21 <j0sh> via a command
Jun 19 05:58:23 <rwhitby> j0sh: that's fine for you, but we cannot put instructions up to permanently enable telnet
Jun 19 05:58:36 <seigex> j0sh, stop the sshd service and start the telnetd service
Jun 19 05:58:41 <CreoBrian> now that I've got sudo working, i dont know why I'd need telnet?
Jun 19 05:58:46 <sloppyjm> Josh: isent their a way to use the pre web browser as a consol
Jun 19 05:58:52 <j0sh> supposedly yes
Jun 19 05:58:56 <j0sh> but ive heard its bade
Jun 19 05:59:01 <seigex> thats the point.. telnet is unencrypted
Jun 19 05:59:02 <seigex> = bad
Jun 19 05:59:09 <seigex> ssh = encrypted
Jun 19 05:59:10 <seigex> = good
Jun 19 05:59:22 <sloppyjm> yeah i like ssh
Jun 19 05:59:27 <j0sh> im well aware, its just another option for emergencies
Jun 19 05:59:30 <CreoBrian> is there anything you can do with telnet you CANT do via ssh+sudo?
Jun 19 05:59:41 <seigex> if you can't get into sshd yo won't be able to get into telnetd
Jun 19 05:59:42 <j0sh> like if i wanted to change from dropbear to openssh for instance
Jun 19 05:59:53 <j0sh> and i didnt want to plug it in
Jun 19 05:59:56 <seigex> unless you're talking about not having putty, then just keep it on ur thumbdrive
Jun 19 05:59:59 <j0sh> cant do that via ssh
Jun 19 06:00:14 <seigex> well you could.. just make a script
Jun 19 06:00:21 <sloppyjm> u can download putty annywear
Jun 19 06:00:33 <seigex> exactly
Jun 19 06:00:34 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:00:40 <sloppyjm> and if ur company blocks it jsut use a https proxy
Jun 19 06:00:45 <tiv_> i had priv issues when I tried to copy an image file w/ my ssh
Jun 19 06:00:57 <CreoBrian> For those who care.. I've installed samba but cannot get it to work, simply because I am too clueless to get it config'd properly. And I think I might give up for the eve.
Jun 19 06:01:03 <sloppyjm> and their is also portable versions of putty
Jun 19 06:01:08 <j0sh> samba eh
Jun 19 06:01:11 <j0sh> now thats interesting
Jun 19 06:01:22 <sloppyjm> whats samba
Jun 19 06:01:31 <tiv_> same thing I was just wondering sloppy
Jun 19 06:01:32 <j0sh> smb
Jun 19 06:01:32 <CreoBrian> enables windows file sharing
Jun 19 06:01:38 <j0sh> windows file sharing
Jun 19 06:01:42 <sloppyjm> oh
Jun 19 06:01:47 <j0sh> access your pre via network share
Jun 19 06:01:50 <j0sh> v. useful
Jun 19 06:01:59 <CreoBrian> so you can share files to your usb drive via wifi (or evdo, in theory) without hard link
Jun 19 06:02:10 <j0sh> yeah i like it
Jun 19 06:02:15 <j0sh> i should set that up
Jun 19 06:02:23 <rwhitby> j0sh: you can swap from dropbear to openssh via sshd, it's just tricky - you have to use screen to do it.
Jun 19 06:02:24 <sloppyjm> turning sprints network into a giant cell phone p2p :)
Jun 19 06:02:26 <j0sh> granted that wont ever be as fast as usb
Jun 19 06:02:29 <tiv_> sounds cool
Jun 19 06:02:35 <CreoBrian> but I'm too linuxstupid to config it
Jun 19 06:02:47 <j0sh> see youre suggesting a workaround for the simplest solution, which is just use telnet
Jun 19 06:02:50 <j0sh> like
Jun 19 06:02:53 <j0sh> why make it more complicated
Jun 19 06:02:57 <CreoBrian> ha.. sprint'd love it if we turned into a big p2p network :p
Jun 19 06:03:00 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: check the channel logs for the last 24 hours - someone got samba working, and they'd be able to give you their smb.conf
Jun 19 06:03:02 <sloppyjm> beause we can josh
Jun 19 06:03:10 <CreoBrian> shut us down faster than you can say "Whens the SDK coming out"
Jun 19 06:03:15 <j0sh> hah
Jun 19 06:03:22 <rwhitby> j0sh: cause telnet is insecure.  simple as that.
Jun 19 06:03:29 <j0sh> which is why you dont leave it on
Jun 19 06:03:40 <tiv_> it would be cool to be able to xfer files back and forth to my phone via wifi
Jun 19 06:03:41 <rwhitby> telnet sends your password in cleartext
Jun 19 06:03:54 <tiv_> i still have yet to get my pre to connect to my macbook via bluetooth
Jun 19 06:04:01 <rwhitby> so it doesn't matter how strong it is, it's gonna get sniffed
Jun 19 06:04:04 <CreoBrian> See folks? I'm not the only one who thinks Samba on Pre would rock ;)
Jun 19 06:04:09 <j0sh> saying "telnet bad" is preaching to the choir, we all know its a last resort idea
Jun 19 06:04:17 <CreoBrian> well ok maybe not "rock".. "be rather useful" perhaps
Jun 19 06:04:18 <rwhitby> unless you're using usb, in which case you can use novacom instead
Jun 19 06:04:57 <sloppyjm> lets all just start taking over sprint cell towers
Jun 19 06:04:59 <CreoBrian> josh.. in the rare case you need to switch from openssh to dropbear/vice versa, use the python rooter.. in all other cases, use SSH. Problem solved? :)
Jun 19 06:05:01 <rwhitby> no, the last resort is the one that requires physical access for security, not telnet which can be sniffed
Jun 19 06:05:09 <j0sh> ohmygod
Jun 19 06:05:11 <tiv_> anyway to find out the wifi IP on the device itself?
Jun 19 06:05:15 <j0sh> i KNOW how to do it
Jun 19 06:05:26 <j0sh> forget
Jun 19 06:05:28 <flare576> tap upper right, wifi, wifi preferences
Jun 19 06:05:29 <j0sh> i said anything.
Jun 19 06:05:34 <tiv_> ty
Jun 19 06:05:39 <tiv_> flare ty
Jun 19 06:05:39 <flare576> np
Jun 19 06:06:00 <CreoBrian> no intention to offend sir.
Jun 19 06:06:00 <rwhitby> j0sh: there are many people who are reading this, and have no idea about security.  obviously you do.  we're disallowing telnet to protect those people, not you.
Jun 19 06:06:07 <j0sh> right
Jun 19 06:06:16 <j0sh> thats fair
Jun 19 06:06:22 <flare576> So.... this might be flame bait, but Here: If I'm a total n00b, how long will dropbear be "good enough"?
Jun 19 06:06:32 <j0sh> how long?  meaning what
Jun 19 06:06:45 <sloppyjm> josh if they didint get me to use ssh  ud b hacking my damb phone faster then shit
Jun 19 06:06:53 <rwhitby> you as an individual can do what you please.  we, as a group that provides information to many people of varying skill levels, must only do things which do not lower the security of the device
Jun 19 06:06:54 <j0sh> haha
Jun 19 06:07:01 <flare576> OpenSSH has "More features," are those something I'm going to miss?
Jun 19 06:07:10 <ShinAli> no
Jun 19 06:07:19 <flare576> cool, smaller and faster for me then.
Jun 19 06:07:38 <seigex> i thought leet speak was "moar features"
Jun 19 06:07:55 <seigex> flare, what more features do you need than a command prompt?
Jun 19 06:07:56 <tiv_> to ssh via wifi, should I give my phone a static ip on my home wifi network w/ portforwarding on my router?
Jun 19 06:08:04 <seigex> and tunnel
Jun 19 06:08:07 <tiv_> I can ssh via evdo but not wifi
Jun 19 06:08:08 <seigex> ssh tunnels
Jun 19 06:08:20 <tiv_> or is that illadviced
Jun 19 06:08:21 <sloppyjm> can i use my phone as a proxy ?
Jun 19 06:08:22 <seigex> tiv , for me its visa versa
Jun 19 06:08:23 <j0sh> you only need to forward ports if youre using your WAN IP
Jun 19 06:08:28 <j0sh> if you use your internal NAT ip
Jun 19 06:08:32 <j0sh> you dont have to forward anything
Jun 19 06:08:37 <seigex> tiv, only that thats ill advised is that it counts towards your 5gb limit :)
Jun 19 06:08:38 <ShinAli> yeah really
Jun 19 06:08:44 <rwhitby> the only feature missing from dropbear that I commonly use is authentication agent forwarding on the client outbound path.
Jun 19 06:08:48 <ShinAli> i only set up a static ip for my home network
Jun 19 06:08:59 <flare576> no no, that's what I'm saying: on the Wiki they give 2 options, bear/OpenSSH, wonder if the  benefits of OpenSSH outweigh the larger code size :)
Jun 19 06:09:12 <j0sh> i just set DHCP reservations for any device on my home network
Jun 19 06:09:19 <ShinAli> rwhitby: that's because you are a big burly linux man
Jun 19 06:09:19 <rwhitby> flare576: only if you use authentication agent forwarding
Jun 19 06:09:38 <flare576> annnd I probably won't be using that little tidbit, thank :D
Jun 19 06:09:44 <tiv_> Im unfamilar with dhcp reservations, does that automatically issue 1 specific address to my device?
Jun 19 06:09:55 <rwhitby> ShinAli: no, that's cause I care about the security of my private ssh keys, and don't leave them lying around on machines that I don't have physical security over.
Jun 19 06:09:56 <sloppyjm> dude i have no clue what anny of this is but i adore my new phone
Jun 19 06:10:11 <tiv_> when i ssh i dont' like having to search for what Ip my phone has on my wifi
Jun 19 06:10:32 <ShinAli> rwhitby: hey i'm just sayin stuff
Jun 19 06:10:35 <j0sh> rwhitby, have you heard anything about phones that came from later shipments having different power management policies re: wifi than the first shipment of phones?  because mine is behaving differently now that i replaced it
Jun 19 06:10:37 <sloppyjm> tiv: yeah its easy to jsut know ur ip rather then look a mil times
Jun 19 06:10:38 <flare576> tiv: DHCP automatically hands your device an IP
Jun 19 06:10:56 <rwhitby> j0sh: haven't heard anything like that
Jun 19 06:11:02 <tiv> well he said reservations
Jun 19 06:11:02 <j0sh> if i have a continuous ping to my devices wifi IP
Jun 19 06:11:11 <j0sh> it times out about 85% of the time
Jun 19 06:11:15 <flare576> tiv: and I don't know if the pre can do a static IP as part of it's config...
Jun 19 06:11:17 <j0sh> unless i have an outbound connection from the device
Jun 19 06:11:22 <tiv> it can
Jun 19 06:11:24 <j0sh> in whcih case pings to the device come back 100%
Jun 19 06:11:26 <tiv> im looking at it now flare
Jun 19 06:11:28 <rwhitby> tiv: just use dynamic DNS - there's a wiki page for it (in fact, there are 3)
Jun 19 06:11:33 <j0sh> the pre can use static IP
Jun 19 06:11:37 <tiv> I can set the IP
Jun 19 06:11:43 <flare576> tiv: cool!  then you just gotta be sure your router will <3 that setting :)
Jun 19 06:11:43 <tiv> ty i'll look now.
Jun 19 06:11:52 <seigex> j0sh, it goes into sleep if its not plugged in after like 30 seconds
Jun 19 06:11:58 <j0sh> yeah ive been over that
Jun 19 06:12:01 <j0sh> it is plugged in
Jun 19 06:12:04 <seigex> oh
Jun 19 06:12:07 <j0sh> and its nothing to do with sleep
Jun 19 06:12:13 <j0sh> its if theres an outbound connection
Jun 19 06:12:15 <rwhitby> how long does the Updates application normally take to check for updates?
Jun 19 06:12:21 <furan> heh
Jun 19 06:12:22 <j0sh> about 20ish seconds
Jun 19 06:12:23 <j0sh> but
Jun 19 06:12:23 <sloppyjm> 30 secs
Jun 19 06:12:26 <j0sh> the more apps you have
Jun 19 06:12:29 <j0sh> the longer it takes
Jun 19 06:12:34 <furan> suddenly jeri's clothes start to smell like laser cutter exhaust
Jun 19 06:12:38 <sloppyjm> when will more apps b out ?
Jun 19 06:12:46 <furan> bah
Jun 19 06:12:48 <j0sh> when they release the sdk =[
Jun 19 06:13:05 <sloppyjm> And does annyone have an idea when that will b
Jun 19 06:13:08 <j0sh> but yeah, this device behaves differently than my original one
Jun 19 06:13:09 <tiv> you mean like a no-ip.com type thing?
Jun 19 06:13:17 <j0sh> well
Jun 19 06:13:18 <ShinAli> no one has any idea
Jun 19 06:13:20 <sloppyjm> u smart people cant jsut get the sdk from the pgone
Jun 19 06:13:22 <seigex> the sdk isn't really much of an sdk yet.. just a cheap reference to a very limited api subset
Jun 19 06:13:28 <j0sh> this is how i dealt with the dynamic IP thing
Jun 19 06:13:37 <sloppyjm> Hum
Jun 19 06:13:41 <j0sh> no-ip either sucks up battery or doesnt update often enough
Jun 19 06:13:43 <rwhitby> tiv: I prefer zoneedit.com, but yeah.
Jun 19 06:13:48 <j0sh> cause it polls on a fixed timer
Jun 19 06:13:55 <seigex> all the sdk download really was was the emulator
Jun 19 06:14:12 <j0sh> im using ez-ipupdate which is a utility that updates a number of dynamic dns services
Jun 19 06:14:21 <sloppyjm> Cant we jsut all agther and barge in to palm and steal it from their computers
Jun 19 06:14:24 <j0sh> and i run it in a script that runs every time the ppp connection comes up
Jun 19 06:14:40 <rwhitby> j0sh: did you write one of those three wiki pages?
Jun 19 06:14:43 <j0sh> no
Jun 19 06:14:45 <tiv> I wasn't really too concerned with the evdo/sprint IP, i initially was just refering to my home lan
Jun 19 06:14:45 <EvanPro_> seigex: is all i really care for from the SDK is the emulator and/or debugging tools. I'd take debugging tools over the emulator, though.
Jun 19 06:14:58 <seigex> the debugging tools are crap
Jun 19 06:15:05 <j0sh> dreadchicken told me about the utility, i installed and configured it myself
Jun 19 06:15:06 * EvanPro_ sighs... crap.
Jun 19 06:15:07 <rwhitby> j0sh: well, where's your wiki page that describes how you did it?
Jun 19 06:15:11 <j0sh> haha
Jun 19 06:15:11 <Filefly> j0sh: are you the What vip josh? :)
Jun 19 06:15:12 <tiv> I'll give it a static on my home, then add a dynamic dns next.
Jun 19 06:15:15 <j0sh> no
Jun 19 06:15:18 <Filefly> damn
Jun 19 06:15:18 <j0sh> very no
Jun 19 06:15:21 <j0sh> im a linux nub
Jun 19 06:15:26 <j0sh> i learn by doing
Jun 19 06:15:29 * Filefly grins
Jun 19 06:15:33 <j0sh> ive picked up a few things
Jun 19 06:15:38 <CreoBrian> Question: I installed nano with ipkg-opt -- it seems I cant use it just anywhere?
Jun 19 06:15:42 <j0sh> like all the basic stuff that people want to do i can pretty much do now
Jun 19 06:15:47 <CreoBrian> has to be /opt/bin/nano?
Jun 19 06:15:49 <seigex> the best part is any time you ask a question you basically get "thats not implemented yet, and its not on the roadmap"
Jun 19 06:15:53 <j0sh> yeah you have to run it with /opt/bin/nano
Jun 19 06:15:55 <j0sh> or
Jun 19 06:16:01 <j0sh> i put /opt/bin in my path
Jun 19 06:16:06 <seigex> or "we have no intentions on implementing that"
Jun 19 06:16:08 <j0sh> along with /sbin, /usr/sbin
Jun 19 06:16:11 <j0sh> and so on and so forth
Jun 19 06:16:18 <ShinAli> set up a start up script to put it in your path i guess?
Jun 19 06:16:20 <rwhitby> put http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware in /etc/profile.d/
Jun 19 06:16:32 <j0sh> oh, i just edited the path in /etc/profile
Jun 19 06:16:32 <ShinAli> oh right you did that thing
Jun 19 06:16:38 <j0sh> then it sets on boot
Jun 19 06:16:44 <CreoBrian> wait so whats the best way to make sure I always have nano access?
Jun 19 06:16:47 <rwhitby> (saves having to edit /etc/profile, which will cause problems with OTA updates if Palm decide to edit it too)
Jun 19 06:16:48 <sloppyjm> http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5.4/
Jun 19 06:16:49 <CreoBrian> read: easiest
Jun 19 06:16:54 <EvanPro_> seigex: that doesn't worry me too bad, not with how active / helpful this community has been.. i get the feeling, between the most of us, we'll be able to implement anything that Palm doesn't.
Jun 19 06:17:00 <j0sh> CreoBrian you can execute it at any time
Jun 19 06:17:02 <seigex> yeah thats what i'm waiting for
Jun 19 06:17:04 <j0sh> you dont have to be in that directory
Jun 19 06:17:08 <j0sh> just run it with th efull path
Jun 19 06:17:14 <CreoBrian> I mean without full path :)
Jun 19 06:17:23 <j0sh> yeah then you have to edit the path
Jun 19 06:17:24 <ShinAli> CreoBrian: do what rwhitby sez
Jun 19 06:17:26 <j0sh> in /etc/profile
Jun 19 06:17:27 <sloppyjm> its like palm wanted us to hack this phone
Jun 19 06:17:36 <rwhitby> don't edit /etc/profile
Jun 19 06:17:36 <j0sh> ah
Jun 19 06:17:38 <j0sh> ok
Jun 19 06:17:39 <tiv> maybe not hack persay
Jun 19 06:17:40 <seigex> i run www.mojodn.com (mojo developers network, which is down right now because of the non-disclosure agreement) but will be community based development geared
Jun 19 06:17:41 <sloppyjm> they knew we would do this
Jun 19 06:17:45 <tiv> but explor its possibilities of course
Jun 19 06:17:51 <seigex> sloppy, thats how i feel
Jun 19 06:17:53 <tiv> saves them time and money into creating things
Jun 19 06:17:53 <rwhitby> put http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware in /etc/profile.d/
Jun 19 06:18:00 <ShinAli> i know its so surreal i was like "dang palm why you so easy" and then palm started to cry and it got all awkward
Jun 19 06:18:04 <seigex> and if you notice what they said about making their employees more open source aware
Jun 19 06:18:11 <seigex> i think the idea for the pre is to be an open-phone
Jun 19 06:18:23 <EvanPro_> seigex: it's just that developing with no debugging tools has been a total bitch... but i've been able to figure everything i've needed out on my own, without the SDK otherwise.
Jun 19 06:18:31 <sloppyjm> yeah and they just want to make money off of our ideas and thoughts
Jun 19 06:18:33 <tiv> I just can't wait to see what type of services & mods come as a result of this phone
Jun 19 06:18:41 <sloppyjm> and put them all in a better phone
Jun 19 06:18:44 <tiv> pretty much sloppy
Jun 19 06:18:46 <seigex> evan, thats pretty much how i'm programming :)
Jun 19 06:18:54 <tiv> you would think its a logical business model
Jun 19 06:18:55 <seigex> evan, i mean you don't get step through
Jun 19 06:19:00 <seigex> you pretty much get a log console
Jun 19 06:19:01 <CreoBrian> I'm not finding an "/etc/profile.d/"
Jun 19 06:19:03 <EvanPro_> seigex: well, i guess the good news is that i'm not missing out on too much.
Jun 19 06:19:06 <seigex> but id on't use a log console anyways
Jun 19 06:19:08 <tiv> let people create new things, charge people for the device & service to play with those things
Jun 19 06:19:09 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: create one
Jun 19 06:19:15 <seigex> evan, did you buy the rough cuts?
Jun 19 06:19:23 <sloppyjm> Well we do get something out this they dnt
Jun 19 06:19:29 <CreoBrian> and then put what, exactly, inside it? download that file first?
Jun 19 06:19:32 <EvanPro_> seigex: no, i heard they're no good.
Jun 19 06:19:39 <sloppyjm> We get the fun and to learn and klnolage they dnt get
Jun 19 06:19:47 <seigex> its not bad.. the main part you get from rough cuts is the structure of a program
Jun 19 06:19:49 <tiv> What's the coolest/must have mod/hack any1 has done with their phone so far, and probably couldn't live without?
Jun 19 06:20:04 <EvanPro_> seigex: and every time a buy a book, i end up learning how to do stuff on my own before i even get through the first or second chapter.
Jun 19 06:20:07 <j0sh> adding pages to launcher is pretty pro
Jun 19 06:20:09 <ShinAli> tiv: doom 3
Jun 19 06:20:09 <seigex> what controllers are and models and how each app is structured
Jun 19 06:20:17 <tiv> doom !?
Jun 19 06:20:18 <j0sh> and viewing call durations
Jun 19 06:20:18 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 06:20:20 <seigex> evan, i think the reference the phone will have will be the best part
Jun 19 06:20:22 <sloppyjm> my grren ass dialpad numbers and the multiple cards for messaging
Jun 19 06:20:26 <tiv> I seen the nes rom, but I haven't gotten that far yet.
Jun 19 06:20:26 <ShinAli> no, doom THREE
Jun 19 06:20:26 <CreoBrian> Adding Pages. No question
Jun 19 06:20:31 <tiv> lmao, excuse me
Jun 19 06:20:34 <tiv> 3.
Jun 19 06:20:42 <seigex> i need to add pages to the launcher so i can put all my quick dials on its own page
Jun 19 06:20:53 <j0sh> yeah that was a good one
Jun 19 06:20:57 <tiv> pages to launcher?
Jun 19 06:20:59 <j0sh> i wonder why its disabled by default
Jun 19 06:21:00 <EvanPro_> seigex: i'm very well versed in the MVC pattern... been using it in web dev for about 3 years now. :)
Jun 19 06:21:00 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 06:21:03 <j0sh> launcher has 3 pages
Jun 19 06:21:04 <seigex> when you get halflife 2 on it let me know
Jun 19 06:21:05 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:21:05 <j0sh> and you cant change it
Jun 19 06:21:11 <seigex> that way i can run team fortress 2 on my pre
Jun 19 06:21:12 <j0sh> unless you modify the js file that controls it
Jun 19 06:21:20 <seigex> hmm
Jun 19 06:21:22 <j0sh> they commented out the options for adding pages
Jun 19 06:21:28 <CreoBrian> anyhow.. I'm still hung up on the profile.d thing. So I've created the directory (as root of course)... then what exactly do I put in there? I got that URL, just download the file?
Jun 19 06:21:29 <tiv> then you can have more than 3 pages, and not have to scroll down/
Jun 19 06:21:31 <seigex> that means you need to add steam too
Jun 19 06:21:35 <tiv> I dont' really have that much on my phone so far
Jun 19 06:21:36 <j0sh> wget that file
Jun 19 06:21:38 <CreoBrian> steam? lol
Jun 19 06:21:42 <j0sh> wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware
Jun 19 06:21:43 <rwhitby> can someone proof-read the new step 18 on http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository please?
Jun 19 06:21:46 <j0sh> when youre in that folder
Jun 19 06:21:48 <seigex> creo, follow the wiki page step by step :)
Jun 19 06:21:51 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: new step 18
Jun 19 06:21:59 <CreoBrian> ahh ok
Jun 19 06:22:04 <seigex> when it comes to all the options wiht a's and b's do either the a's or the b's
Jun 19 06:22:05 <CreoBrian> new wiki content = good
Jun 19 06:22:20 <tiv> damn i have a pinched nerve in my back, I can hardly move around, Its hard sitting here toying with this phone
Jun 19 06:22:24 <seigex> i'll go old skewl irc
Jun 19 06:22:24 <tiv> but i love it.
Jun 19 06:22:25 <seigex> RTFM
Jun 19 06:22:26 <tiv> so far.
Jun 19 06:22:32 <tiv> IRC from the phone yet? lol
Jun 19 06:22:33 <sloppyjm> new mods = good
Jun 19 06:22:39 <seigex> tiv, i am right now :)
Jun 19 06:22:39 <tiv> haven't seen anything on that.
Jun 19 06:22:41 <tiv> dope
Jun 19 06:22:47 <sloppyjm> hey has onnyopne figured out annything about the batteryu
Jun 19 06:22:49 <seigex> BitchX baby
Jun 19 06:22:49 <tiv> screen shots?
Jun 19 06:22:52 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: let me know if step 18 works as written
Jun 19 06:22:56 <seigex> sloppy, like what?
Jun 19 06:23:06 <ShinAli> he thinks you got a webos irc
Jun 19 06:23:06 <sloppyjm> make it last longer
Jun 19 06:23:07 <seigex> if you have MSN/Hotmail syncing on your phone get rid of it
Jun 19 06:23:11 <seigex> that kills your battery
Jun 19 06:23:14 <seigex> i went from 4 hours to 17 hours
Jun 19 06:23:26 <tiv> how
Jun 19 06:23:30 <sloppyjm> yeah i dnt use email or aim annymore :(
Jun 19 06:23:31 <j0sh> yeah rwhitby
Jun 19 06:23:33 <j0sh> that works
Jun 19 06:23:35 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: you will need to reboot (as per step 20) for that optware path to take hold
Jun 19 06:23:37 <seigex> only use google
Jun 19 06:23:40 <tiv> I hate the e-mail on my phone
Jun 19 06:23:42 <seigex> since google uses push notification instead of syncing
Jun 19 06:23:43 <j0sh> id add more paths to that though
Jun 19 06:23:48 <tiv> it automatically notifys me of e-maisl
Jun 19 06:23:53 <tiv> even though I disable the setting
Jun 19 06:23:58 <rwhitby> j0sh: why more paths?
Jun 19 06:23:59 <tiv> and only have it check manual
Jun 19 06:24:01 <seigex> tiv, thats a bug
Jun 19 06:24:03 <tiv> annoys me
Jun 19 06:24:04 <sloppyjm> hey i cant send pics to email annymopre why is that
Jun 19 06:24:05 <seigex> that should be fixed in the next update
Jun 19 06:24:09 <Bouquet> Anyone know of a mod to the existing IM app that allows us to use our own Jabber/XMPP server?
Jun 19 06:24:13 <j0sh> cause stuff like ifconfig is in /sbin
Jun 19 06:24:20 <j0sh> and theres other crap elsewhere
Jun 19 06:24:22 <tiv> yeah its extremly annoyong seigex
Jun 19 06:24:23 <seigex> boquet, no but its something i'm exploring to get yahoo on there
Jun 19 06:24:29 <tiv> makes me want to remove e-mail from my phone
Jun 19 06:24:31 <rwhitby> joshua: that file is appending, not overwriting $PATH
Jun 19 06:24:36 <tiv> but then I can't twitpic -=[
Jun 19 06:24:36 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 06:24:42 <j0sh> that stuff isnt there by default
Jun 19 06:24:52 <tiv> i LOVE the camera quality, but at night the quality isn't that great.
Jun 19 06:24:56 <j0sh> so when you add /opt/bin, id add those as well
Jun 19 06:24:56 <Bouquet> seigex, how about something more generic so people can setup XMPP connections to their own servers?
Jun 19 06:25:16 <rwhitby> j0sh: /sbin is in my path by default
Jun 19 06:25:17 <CreoBrian> Anyone know if its "safe" to reboot from command line with "shutdown -r now" ?
Jun 19 06:25:20 <j0sh> hm
Jun 19 06:25:23 <j0sh> not mine!
Jun 19 06:25:23 <CreoBrian> just been wonderin
Jun 19 06:25:25 <j0sh> its in root's
Jun 19 06:25:30 <seigex> bouquet, haven't gotten there yet :)
Jun 19 06:25:31 <j0sh> not in the user i created
Jun 19 06:25:38 <seigex> but i still have another day before i go back to work so i'll look into XMPP
Jun 19 06:25:41 <rwhitby> right - only root can run ifconfig
Jun 19 06:25:41 <ShinAli> i always just call bootie to reboot
Jun 19 06:25:51 <seigex> use /sbin/reboot
Jun 19 06:25:52 <seigex> ;0
Jun 19 06:25:53 <ShinAli> a bootie call, if you will
Jun 19 06:25:54 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:25:58 <j0sh> well i had to use the full path even when i was su'd
Jun 19 06:25:59 <seigex> nice, shinali
Jun 19 06:26:12 <CreoBrian> bootie?
Jun 19 06:26:13 <ShinAli> thanks i just thought of it
Jun 19 06:26:17 <j0sh> rofl
Jun 19 06:26:17 <CreoBrian> whats bootie?
Jun 19 06:26:19 <Bouquet> seigex, Well, I'm willing to support development of such an addon if you're a developer.
Jun 19 06:26:21 <rwhitby> j0sh: use sudo, and use the option to use root's environment
Jun 19 06:26:26 <sloppyjm> Question: Why cant i send a pic email from my phone it says cannot find the account
Jun 19 06:26:32 <CreoBrian> nm
Jun 19 06:26:34 <j0sh> first thing i do when i log in is sudo su
Jun 19 06:26:48 <rwhitby> you need an extra option on that command
Jun 19 06:26:49 <j0sh> since su doesnt work on its own
Jun 19 06:26:50 <seigex> Bouquet, well i'm a developer (early access program), but palm doesn't allow us to submit apps yet
Jun 19 06:26:55 <seigex> so it would be purely community based
Jun 19 06:26:56 <tiv> '
Jun 19 06:26:57 <j0sh> sudo su does work
Jun 19 06:27:02 <seigex> ie a hack
Jun 19 06:27:02 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:27:13 <CreoBrian> So... as far as rebooting from command line.. safest method?
Jun 19 06:27:13 <rwhitby> j0sh: no, sudo su does not run root's environment
Jun 19 06:27:18 <j0sh> ah
Jun 19 06:27:18 <j0sh> okay
Jun 19 06:27:22 <Bouquet> boo palm :^(
Jun 19 06:27:36 <j0sh> it gives me permissions as root though, which is what i was gunning for
Jun 19 06:27:36 <rwhitby> you need -i on sudo
Jun 19 06:27:43 <j0sh> got it
Jun 19 06:27:45 <sloppyjm> IM TIRED BYE GUYS HAPPY HACKING
Jun 19 06:27:49 <rwhitby> yes, but as you can see it doesn't set your path correct
Jun 19 06:27:51 <ShinAli> OKAY
Jun 19 06:28:25 <j0sh> cool
Jun 19 06:28:34 <j0sh> that works pretty well
Jun 19 06:28:35 <jblebrun> Palm should be handing out SDKs in this channel ;-)
Jun 19 06:28:49 <rwhitby> jblebrun: didn't you get yours?
Jun 19 06:28:56 <rwhitby> everyone else here did ...
Jun 19 06:28:58 <CreoBrian> I think the standard Shut Down option in the WebOS interface just uses "shutdown now"
Jun 19 06:29:01 <EvanPro_> jblebrun: seriously, i agree.
Jun 19 06:29:10 <CreoBrian> can anyone confirm?
Jun 19 06:29:19 <sloppyjm> I HAVE SDK
Jun 19 06:29:20 <CreoBrian> what the...
Jun 19 06:29:22 <sloppyjm> JUST GOT IT
Jun 19 06:29:23 <CreoBrian> "bootie"
Jun 19 06:29:30 <jblebrun> rwhitby: I was pretty late in submitting a request, so it will probably be a while
Jun 19 06:29:31 <ShinAli> palm should be giving out the browser plugin adapter abstract class and libPiranha.so header file
Jun 19 06:29:35 <ShinAli> and possibly a pony
Jun 19 06:29:37 <CreoBrian> i thought "bootie" was a joke
Jun 19 06:29:45 <ShinAli> oh its not
Jun 19 06:30:00 <CreoBrian> so how does one use "bootie" to restart?
Jun 19 06:30:09 <jblebrun> rwhitby: I should've been more on the ball
Jun 19 06:30:11 <ShinAli> i dunno i just call it
Jun 19 06:30:20 <ShinAli> it reboots the pre for some reason
Jun 19 06:30:21 <CreoBrian> ...call it? huh?
Jun 19 06:30:23 <j0sh> i like this using cron to rotate wallpapers
Jun 19 06:30:33 <ShinAli> execute the command
Jun 19 06:30:39 <rwhitby> jblebrun: you know I was kidding, right?
Jun 19 06:30:54 <flare576> j0sh: that's actually what made me want to hack this thing in the first place lol
Jun 19 06:31:16 <CreoBrian> cron to rotate wallpapers? is that on wiki? sounds sweet :)
Jun 19 06:31:18 <j0sh> hah
Jun 19 06:31:20 <j0sh> yes
Jun 19 06:31:23 <j0sh> i found it there today
Jun 19 06:31:29 <CreoBrian> nice!
Jun 19 06:31:38 <j0sh> here
Jun 19 06:31:41 <tiv> newb type question, how can I make a quick command line to ssh to my pre, without typing out the whole line, i.e. "conexpre" = "ssh -p 222 ......"
Jun 19 06:31:48 <flare576> http://predev.wikidot.com/random-wallpaper-switching
Jun 19 06:31:51 <tiv> mac osx
Jun 19 06:31:52 <j0sh> http://predev.wikidot.com/random-wallpaper-switching
Jun 19 06:31:54 <j0sh> damn
Jun 19 06:31:55 <j0sh> too slow
Jun 19 06:31:58 <j0sh> but yeah there it is
Jun 19 06:31:58 <flare576> bwahaha
Jun 19 06:32:21 <ShinAli> tiv: make a script and put it in one of your directories defined under your path variable?
Jun 19 06:32:35 <jblebrun> rwhitby: D'oh. I completely missed the <irony> tag.
Jun 19 06:33:05 <tiv> ty, ali
Jun 19 06:33:11 <ShinAli> jblebrun: did you know the word "gullible" is written on your ceiling?
Jun 19 06:33:28 <jblebrun> No it's.... heeeeey!!!!!!!!
Jun 19 06:33:35 <jblebrun> ;-)
Jun 19 06:33:37 <CreoBrian> har
Jun 19 06:33:47 <jblebrun> It *is* written on my ceiling!
Jun 19 06:34:11 <ShinAli> yeah i was wondering when you'd notice that
Jun 19 06:34:13 * CreoBrian sticks that in his fun prank bag
Jun 19 06:34:30 <CreoBrian> "write 'gullible' on ceiling"
Jun 19 06:34:33 <ShinAli> i'm also wondering when you'd notice that its written in blood
Jun 19 06:34:48 <ShinAli> (not mine of course)
Jun 19 06:34:50 <jblebrun> What's sad is I'm having to try so hard not to look at the ceiling right now.
Jun 19 06:34:54 <jblebrun> I realllly want to look at the ceiling.
Jun 19 06:34:59 <seigex> or...semen... (not mine either)
Jun 19 06:35:03 <sloppyjm> GOOD FUCKIGN NIGHT
Jun 19 06:35:09 <jblebrun> Good night, sloppyjm.
Jun 19 06:35:11 <ShinAli> OKAYYS
Jun 19 06:35:12 <CreoBrian> um..
Jun 19 06:35:12 <seigex> night
Jun 19 06:35:34 <CreoBrian> no moderation needed here.. no sir.....
Jun 19 06:35:40 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 06:36:38 <jblebrun> It's good that he's headed to bed.
Jun 19 06:36:45 <j0sh> oh, rwhitby, did i ask you about why i had to copy that script 3 times for it to work?  i cant remember if i mentioned that yet
Jun 19 06:36:57 <j0sh> the one for ez-ipupdate
Jun 19 06:37:37 <rwhitby> j0sh: dunno, I was just expecting to read why on the wiki page ... ;-)
Jun 19 06:37:43 <j0sh> hah
Jun 19 06:37:47 <tiv> these youtube videos on pre never seem to show me much
Jun 19 06:37:47 <jblebrun> The first rule of Palm SDK: You do not talk about Palm SDK.
Jun 19 06:37:54 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 06:38:00 <j0sh> well i dont want to write anything if i have to do somethign retarded like have 3 copies of the same script
Jun 19 06:38:01 <j0sh> !
Jun 19 06:38:04 <j0sh> like
Jun 19 06:38:12 <j0sh> if i have 3 copies of the script in ip-up.d it works, but if i put the command in 1 script 3 times it doesnt work
Jun 19 06:38:24 <CreoBrian> Question: How come the constant reminders to re-enable read-only FS mode? Is it just an added precaution sort of thing, so you dont accidentally screw up something while perusing, or will stuff actually get overwritten?
Jun 19 06:38:25 <j0sh> and obviously if i just have 1 copy of the script with the command in it once, it doesnt work
Jun 19 06:38:58 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: dunno - we're playing safe cause we have no idea what Palm could be doing.
Jun 19 06:38:58 <j0sh> it seems a little retarded
Jun 19 06:39:17 <j0sh> not the readonly thing, the 3 scripts thing
Jun 19 06:39:26 <tiv> Palm Pre - Time lapse camcorder application
Jun 19 06:39:28 <CreoBrian> *nod
Jun 19 06:39:31 <tiv> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAc8E9sFhk&feature=related
Jun 19 06:39:33 <tiv> seems cool
Jun 19 06:39:38 <CreoBrian> ha.. fun :D
Jun 19 06:39:48 <Bouquet> The shell page doesn't mention enabling/disabling root filesystem writing.  Should it? http://predev.wikidot.com/shell
Jun 19 06:40:16 <seigex> hmm we just had an earthquake
Jun 19 06:40:19 <seigex> only 3.0 tho
Jun 19 06:40:22 <CreoBrian> i'd get a kick out of the time lapse thing
Jun 19 06:40:40 <CreoBrian> you seem a little shook up.
Jun 19 06:40:46 <CreoBrian> @seigex
Jun 19 06:40:57 <seigex> nah thats just the beer
Jun 19 06:41:04 <CreoBrian> har
Jun 19 06:41:34 <tiv> where are you @ seigex?
Jun 19 06:42:08 <CreoBrian> OK.. please, I've got to get this "su" problem fixed
Jun 19 06:42:22 <seigex> california
Jun 19 06:42:23 <seigex> so cal
Jun 19 06:42:24 <CreoBrian> I've gone through the instructions on that part with a fine toothed comb.. I've missed nothing..
Jun 19 06:42:38 <seigex> i've been through some pretty huge ones.. so no big deal
Jun 19 06:42:41 <CreoBrian> brian@castle:~$ sudo su root >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<< sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 32 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
Jun 19 06:42:49 <CreoBrian> sorry, linebreak FAIL
Jun 19 06:43:08 <seigex> creo port forward your ssh port (222) and add me a user
Jun 19 06:43:09 <tiv> I'm in Oakland, CA
Jun 19 06:43:11 <tiv> norcal
Jun 19 06:43:16 <tiv> glad i didn't have a quake
Jun 19 06:43:21 <tiv> I live on the edge of a hillside
Jun 19 06:43:23 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 06:43:27 <tiv> makes me nervous everytime
Jun 19 06:43:46 <seigex> shit i remember when that 1989 quake happened
Jun 19 06:43:47 * jblebrun waves from across the bay
Jun 19 06:43:55 * tiv waves back
Jun 19 06:43:56 <CreoBrian> when I do "su root" I get "su: must be suid to work properly"
Jun 19 06:44:05 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 06:44:05 <Filefly> sudo su -
Jun 19 06:44:10 <j0sh> the only way i could get su to work
Jun 19 06:44:12 * EvanPro_ burns up in Arizona.
Jun 19 06:44:12 <j0sh> was sudo su
Jun 19 06:44:19 <Filefly> ^ this
Jun 19 06:44:21 <seigex> that usually means it was installed as a user not as root
Jun 19 06:44:21 <j0sh> or sudo -i su, as rwhitby suggested
Jun 19 06:44:21 <CreoBrian> ok.. but same error as before
Jun 19 06:44:30 <seigex> shoulda installed it when you rooted through telnet
Jun 19 06:44:39 <CreoBrian> did so
Jun 19 06:44:50 <j0sh> does sudo work properly?
Jun 19 06:44:53 <seigex> then you need to log in as root through telnet and chown it
Jun 19 06:45:07 <jblebrun> You've been chpwned
Jun 19 06:45:13 <jblebrun> Wow
Jun 19 06:45:13 <seigex> chown root:root /<path to su>/su
Jun 19 06:45:14 <jblebrun> I need sleep
Jun 19 06:45:14 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 06:45:17 <CreoBrian> sudo is the one that gives me the syntax error bit
Jun 19 06:45:21 <rwhitby> sudo -i /bin/sh works doesn't it?
Jun 19 06:45:46 <seigex> greo, port foward 222 to your phone and add me a usre
Jun 19 06:45:47 <seigex> user
Jun 19 06:45:51 <seigex> and i'll tell u whats wrong
Jun 19 06:45:59 <CreoBrian> that sounds scary..
Jun 19 06:46:02 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 19 06:46:03 <j0sh> haha
Jun 19 06:46:04 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 06:46:20 <tiv> yeah
Jun 19 06:46:21 <seigex> yeah i guess it does
Jun 19 06:46:22 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:46:24 <tiv> sounds a bit drastic lol
Jun 19 06:46:28 <tiv> lmao
Jun 19 06:46:40 <seigex> tiv, he's the one that wants toget it done before he goes to sleep
Jun 19 06:46:47 <tiv> yeah
Jun 19 06:46:50 <tiv> logical, but drastic
Jun 19 06:46:57 * tiv *shrugs*
Jun 19 06:47:05 <j0sh> i mean
Jun 19 06:47:11 <seigex> its not like if i do something you can't just pre doctor it
Jun 19 06:47:14 <tiv> whats the worse that could happen? lol (i don't know the answer...)
Jun 19 06:47:15 <j0sh> logmein rescue is always an alternative solution
Jun 19 06:47:16 <CreoBrian> could do.. lemme try going back to telnet
Jun 19 06:47:19 <j0sh> if yo can use that
Jun 19 06:47:21 <seigex> not really much
Jun 19 06:47:22 <CreoBrian> *sigh*.. rooter here I come again
Jun 19 06:47:25 <seigex> but delete things
Jun 19 06:47:27 <seigex> maybe install apache
Jun 19 06:47:32 <seigex> and download everything from his phone
Jun 19 06:47:34 <j0sh> telnet will continue to work until you reboot the phone
Jun 19 06:47:53 <j0sh> which is why you should reboot it asap :o
Jun 19 06:47:57 <seigex> creo, root it again
Jun 19 06:48:00 <seigex> and let me know when you're there
Jun 19 06:48:04 <seigex> i'll walk y ou through it
Jun 19 06:48:06 <seigex> step by step
Jun 19 06:48:07 <CreoBrian> k
Jun 19 06:48:29 <tiv> i'd say just port fwd and let him connect
Jun 19 06:48:37 <tiv> we make have discovered a new form of troubleshooting
Jun 19 06:48:40 <tiv> thats innovation for you
Jun 19 06:48:45 <seigex> aha
Jun 19 06:48:59 <seigex> i'm the only one that knows how trustworthy i am
Jun 19 06:48:59 <CreoBrian> wow.. funstuff... I just logged in telnet as root.. login OK, but I got errors w/ profile.d
Jun 19 06:49:03 <seigex> God bless the internet
Jun 19 06:49:07 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 06:49:08 <seigex> so you're in
Jun 19 06:49:12 <seigex> and you're root
Jun 19 06:49:12 <CreoBrian> -sh: /etc/profile.d/optware: line 3: cannot open !DOCTYPE: no such file
Jun 19 06:49:12 <tiv> lol thats usually the way it works seigex
Jun 19 06:49:18 <CreoBrian> -sh: /etc/profile.d/optware: line 3: html: not found
Jun 19 06:49:23 <seigex> are you at a prompt
Jun 19 06:49:23 <CreoBrian> -sh: /etc/profile.d/optware: line 4: syntax error: newline unexpected
Jun 19 06:49:24 <seigex> ?
Jun 19 06:49:26 <CreoBrian> yes
Jun 19 06:49:27 <seigex> oh
Jun 19 06:49:30 <seigex> you know why
Jun 19 06:49:34 <CreoBrian> vaguely
Jun 19 06:49:37 <seigex> i'll tell u right now
Jun 19 06:49:38 <tiv> LOL
Jun 19 06:49:49 <tiv> your asking him does he know where, rhetorically
Jun 19 06:49:57 <tiv> lol@vaguely
Jun 19 06:50:00 <seigex> give me a sec so i can find the line
Jun 19 06:50:00 * CreoBrian is mostly ears
Jun 19 06:50:21 <CreoBrian> or eyes.. whatever
Jun 19 06:50:39 <seigex> wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-openssh
Jun 19 06:50:43 <seigex> that doesn't download the right file
Jun 19 06:50:49 <seigex> it downloads an html life
Jun 19 06:50:49 <rwhitby> fixed the wiki. sorry about that CreoBrian
Jun 19 06:50:51 <seigex> err file*
Jun 19 06:51:02 <seigex> i had to manually edit it
Jun 19 06:51:04 <rwhitby> try wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/profile.d/optware
Jun 19 06:51:08 <CreoBrian> well now I know the answer to the question "does the new 18 work"
Jun 19 06:51:12 <flare576> annnnd I'm SSH'd, thank god
Jun 19 06:51:40 <CreoBrian> delete the file from before? optware?
Jun 19 06:51:40 <rwhitby> that's why I asked others to proof-read it, but it seems no-one did ...
Jun 19 06:51:51 <rwhitby> CreoBrian: yep
Jun 19 06:51:58 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 06:52:08 <seigex> i just remembered it when you mentioned it
Jun 19 06:52:10 * CreoBrian could proof-read til his eyes fell out and rotted in the dirt.. woulna caught nothin.
Jun 19 06:52:13 <flare576> I just did step 18... is there somethign wrong with it? lol
Jun 19 06:52:17 <rwhitby> that's the third time I've made that mistake on that page ...
Jun 19 06:52:18 <CreoBrian> lol
Jun 19 06:52:31 <rwhitby> flare576: it's correct now, I hope.
Jun 19 06:52:33 <seigex> my keen troubleshooting skills brought me to cat'ing the file
Jun 19 06:52:34 <j0sh> theyve really got to come out with some basic games
Jun 19 06:52:37 <seigex> and i notcied itw as html
Jun 19 06:52:37 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:53:21 <seigex> damn i can't type for shit tonight
Jun 19 06:53:42 <flare576> well, it worked for me :)
Jun 19 06:54:37 <flare576> n00b question: ssh'ing in and trying to use "root" prompts for password, and blank doesn't work... is there a password that will, or is root via ssh disabled?
Jun 19 06:54:43 <seigex> wow someone added a "basic linux use" wiki page
Jun 19 06:54:51 <CreoBrian> well no more syntax errors on login. good. So now I'm in as root.. where were we seigex?
Jun 19 06:54:52 <seigex> they need to add "Linux is not for the faint of heart"
Jun 19 06:54:57 <flare576> yeah, that mini- vi guide was useful.
Jun 19 06:55:04 <seigex> well now lets go to the next step
Jun 19 06:55:13 * CreoBrian installs nano and sleeps sound at night
Jun 19 06:55:16 <Bouquet> seigex, look me up if you're interested.  Nite
Jun 19 06:55:46 <jblebrun> oh la la
Jun 19 06:55:49 <flare576> anyone have an answer for my stupid n00b question?
Jun 19 06:55:54 <CreoBrian> oh yeah we're fixing my sudo issues
Jun 19 06:56:12 <seigex> hold up let me get my bearings
Jun 19 06:56:22 <seigex> did you add optware-openssh?
Jun 19 06:56:26 <seigex> or dropbear
Jun 19 06:56:36 <CreoBrian> root via ssh is disabled by default
Jun 19 06:56:37 <seigex> or am i at the wrong part
Jun 19 06:56:38 <CreoBrian> in the script
Jun 19 06:56:42 * tiv has still found little use for the APP catalog.
Jun 19 06:56:46 <seigex> yeah it should stay disabled
Jun 19 06:56:52 <seigex> you should adduser yourself a new user
Jun 19 06:56:54 * CreoBrian is only mostly-clueless
Jun 19 06:57:06 <CreoBrian> that was @flar576
Jun 19 06:57:11 <rwhitby> flare576: root login with passwords (especially empty ones) is intentionally disabled
Jun 19 06:57:12 <CreoBrian> flare576
Jun 19 06:57:32 <rwhitby> root login via ssh keys is enabled by default
Jun 19 06:57:34 <seigex> ok creo, where are we
Jun 19 06:57:48 <flare576> thanks CreoBrian  :)  I just Putty'd in for the first time as my user, and I got some errors: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/xR3wEl
Jun 19 06:57:49 <CreoBrian> I am at root prompt, trying to figure out why sudo = fail
Jun 19 06:57:55 <seigex> go to "enable the opware package feed"
Jun 19 06:58:01 <CreoBrian> HAHA
Jun 19 06:58:02 <seigex> do step 1
Jun 19 06:58:09 <seigex> we're going to start from the beginning
Jun 19 06:58:14 <CreoBrian> redo step 18 using the OTHER url.
Jun 19 06:58:14 <seigex> rootfs_open -w
Jun 19 06:58:17 <rwhitby> flare576: you need to get the correct optware file for /etc/profile.d
Jun 19 06:58:19 <CreoBrian> @flare576.
Jun 19 06:58:31 <seigex> erm aight
Jun 19 06:58:36 <CreoBrian> right fs is open
Jun 19 06:58:44 <seigex> we're starting from the beginning
Jun 19 06:58:45 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 06:58:47 <seigex> bear with me
Jun 19 06:58:55 <flare576> on it, thanks, I'll let you guys talk about your actual pro problems :)
Jun 19 06:59:01 <seigex> do 2a
Jun 19 06:59:18 <seigex> if you've already echoed then don't do it
Jun 19 06:59:26 <CreoBrian> if by pro you mean "n00b who needs pro help"
Jun 19 06:59:34 <seigex> but cat /etc/fstab to verify its in there
Jun 19 06:59:35 <CreoBrian> ok
Jun 19 06:59:45 <seigex> and its letter for letter :)
Jun 19 06:59:58 <seigex> let me know when ur done
Jun 19 07:00:17 <j0sh> anyone know of any free web based ssh clients that actually work
Jun 19 07:00:18 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: for the application id, people really should be reversing a domain that they own ...
Jun 19 07:00:53 <seigex> u done there?
Jun 19 07:00:57 <seigex> these are pretty easy :)
Jun 19 07:01:01 <seigex> come on.. come on..
Jun 19 07:01:05 <seigex> tick tock tick tock
Jun 19 07:01:06 <rwhitby> EvanPro_: e.g. s/com.evan.app.helloworld/pro.evan.app.helloworld/g
Jun 19 07:01:10 <CreoBrian> it is precisely correct. Sorry.. I've got dozens of windows :p
Jun 19 07:01:13 <seigex> <<< looks at clock
Jun 19 07:01:16 <j0sh> has anyone else had trouble with some CAPTCHAs on the pre browser btw
Jun 19 07:01:18 <seigex> its ok
Jun 19 07:01:18 <CreoBrian> well a dozen anyhow
Jun 19 07:01:20 <seigex> learn how to alt-tab
Jun 19 07:01:20 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 07:01:25 <j0sh> cause i fail them every time
Jun 19 07:01:33 <seigex> ok next
Jun 19 07:01:38 <CreoBrian> alt-tab is fine.. ctrl-tab in browser is what throws me off
Jun 19 07:01:47 <seigex> you already did 3 right?
Jun 19 07:01:49 <seigex> and 4?
Jun 19 07:01:51 <CreoBrian> yes
Jun 19 07:01:53 <CreoBrian> yes
Jun 19 07:02:00 <CreoBrian> wait
Jun 19 07:02:04 <CreoBrian> lemme dbl check
Jun 19 07:02:10 <seigex> and 5
Jun 19 07:02:20 <CreoBrian> ok yes i did those
Jun 19 07:02:32 <seigex> basically you should end up with /opt/bin/ipkg and /opt/bin/ipkg-opt
Jun 19 07:02:37 <CreoBrian> right
Jun 19 07:02:41 <flare576> yeah... I broke sudo lol, time for vi
Jun 19 07:02:44 <CreoBrian> ipkg-opt is working
Jun 19 07:02:45 <seigex> 6 doesn't matter
Jun 19 07:02:48 <tiv> I fail Captchas almost everytime On my regular sized macbook
Jun 19 07:02:48 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 07:02:54 <tiv> I'd def fail on a pre
Jun 19 07:02:57 <j0sh> haha
Jun 19 07:03:00 <j0sh> well like
Jun 19 07:03:03 <j0sh> i triple check
Jun 19 07:03:05 <seigex> ok jump to 9b
Jun 19 07:03:06 <j0sh> and still fail on the pre
Jun 19 07:03:08 <tiv> I don't
Jun 19 07:03:09 <seigex> and do it again
Jun 19 07:03:11 <j0sh> and succeed on my desktop
Jun 19 07:03:18 <seigex> do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install openssh
Jun 19 07:03:19 <tiv> I just keep putting in new ones until i can reads those pieces of crap
Jun 19 07:03:23 <j0sh> so im convinced its the browser
Jun 19 07:03:30 <j0sh> this is that standardized CAPTCHA
Jun 19 07:03:35 <seigex> and if you installed dropbear do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt uninstall dropbear
Jun 19 07:03:36 <CreoBrian> OK.. but SSH is working.. i hate to redo it and break SSH.. i'm nervous like that
Jun 19 07:03:43 <j0sh> the one with the red border
Jun 19 07:04:02 <oil> http://myapokalips.com/public/cartoons/021_Robot_Tattoo.png
Jun 19 07:04:08 <seigex> creo
Jun 19 07:04:12 <seigex> you want it to work or not?
Jun 19 07:04:15 <seigex> ok do this
Jun 19 07:04:16 <CreoBrian> i surely do
Jun 19 07:04:17 <tiv> I'm in so much back pain, but I want to sit here and play w/ my pre stil
Jun 19 07:04:19 <seigex> do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install openssh
Jun 19 07:04:22 <seigex> err
Jun 19 07:04:23 <seigex> scratch that
Jun 19 07:04:26 <seigex> do /opt/bin/ipkg-opt uninstall openssh
Jun 19 07:04:34 <seigex> and /opt/bin/ipkg-opt uninstall dropbear
Jun 19 07:04:39 <j0sh> is it uninstall?
Jun 19 07:04:40 <j0sh> or remove
Jun 19 07:04:45 <seigex> i am the sensei u are the student
Jun 19 07:04:46 * CreoBrian holds breath and uninstalls openssh
Jun 19 07:04:47 <seigex> err
Jun 19 07:04:47 <seigex> remove
Jun 19 07:04:48 <seigex> sorry
Jun 19 07:04:53 <seigex> thanks j0sh its late
Jun 19 07:04:53 <CreoBrian> ok
Jun 19 07:04:56 <j0sh> haha
Jun 19 07:05:22 <seigex> then /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install openssh
Jun 19 07:05:28 <seigex> killall sshd
Jun 19 07:05:30 <CreoBrian> its removed.. i miss it already
Jun 19 07:05:31 <CreoBrian> ;)
Jun 19 07:06:28 <seigex> do step 11, changing preuser to the username you are adding for your non-root account
Jun 19 07:07:14 <seigex> who got rid of 12b
Jun 19 07:07:18 <seigex> wtf
Jun 19 07:07:26 <CreoBrian> login 'brian' is in use
Jun 19 07:07:35 <j0sh> whoops!
Jun 19 07:08:12 <tiv> Creo, could you not copy files and things of that nature because of invalid permissions when you SSH'd?
Jun 19 07:08:17 <seigex> creo then ur phone
Jun 19 07:08:19 <seigex> err
Jun 19 07:08:19 <seigex> fine
Jun 19 07:08:22 <tiv> thats what issue i had yesterday and I gave up, and went to bed
Jun 19 07:08:24 <seigex> ignore adduser
Jun 19 07:08:28 <seigex> go to 12
Jun 19 07:08:32 <CreoBrian> *nod
Jun 19 07:08:34 <seigex> uninstall sudo first
Jun 19 07:08:39 <tiv> when I tried to cp a file to back it up, i didn't have permission to do so
Jun 19 07:08:49 <CreoBrian> "ipkg-opt remove sudo" ?
Jun 19 07:08:54 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 07:09:07 <CreoBrian> removed and terminated
Jun 19 07:09:09 <seigex> in the /opt/bin directory you can type ./ipkg-opt
Jun 19 07:09:12 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 07:09:20 <seigex> reinstall it
Jun 19 07:09:25 <tmzt_> what kind of touchscreen does pre have?
Jun 19 07:09:50 <CreoBrian> i think its capacitive, like iphone
Jun 19 07:09:56 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 07:10:06 <seigex> creo, where we at?
Jun 19 07:10:14 <flare576> Sorry to interupt: trying to redo step 18, but getting "can't open 'optware': File exists.  do I need to do something to get rid of the contents first?
Jun 19 07:10:15 <j0sh> definitely capacitive
Jun 19 07:10:18 <CreoBrian> just ipkg-opt install sudo
Jun 19 07:10:27 <j0sh> try using a stylus on it, it wont work
Jun 19 07:10:27 <CreoBrian> working on following steps there
Jun 19 07:10:31 <seigex> ok do the ln-s's
Jun 19 07:10:33 <seigex> err ln -s's
Jun 19 07:10:38 <seigex> the chmod's
Jun 19 07:10:39 <j0sh> flare you have to remove a file
Jun 19 07:10:45 <j0sh> before wget will download a new one
Jun 19 07:10:45 <seigex> and the echos
Jun 19 07:10:47 <j0sh> it wont overwrite
Jun 19 07:10:51 <j0sh> so just rm filename
Jun 19 07:11:02 <tmzt_> then what's the tsc for?
Jun 19 07:11:16 <flare576> just wanted to make sure "rm" was ok, I didn't need to do a "remove" command somehow, thanks :)
Jun 19 07:11:17 <tmzt_> anyone written a raw mode camera driver yet?
Jun 19 07:11:18 <seigex> creo, you want dropbear or openssh?
Jun 19 07:11:31 <seigex> i don't think anyone's written any drivers yet
Jun 19 07:11:32 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 07:11:54 <seigex> i'd assume we'd have to have a datasheet for the camera to write the drivers
Jun 19 07:12:17 <CreoBrian> 12 done
Jun 19 07:12:18 <flare576> seigex: thank you, log in errors now gone.
Jun 19 07:12:31 <CreoBrian> the symlinks failed because the files already existed from before, but I'm assuming thats OK
Jun 19 07:12:41 <seigex> np, didn't even know i was helping u :)
Jun 19 07:12:45 <flare576> as long as they still point at the right spot
Jun 19 07:12:49 <seigex> as long as the sym links are ok
Jun 19 07:12:58 <CreoBrian> i will confirm
Jun 19 07:13:00 <CreoBrian> one sec
Jun 19 07:13:09 <seigex> go into /usr/local/bin
Jun 19 07:13:19 <seigex> and ls -l sudo and visudo
Jun 19 07:13:26 <seigex> make sure it says something like
Jun 19 07:13:29 <CreoBrian> yeah they are correct
Jun 19 07:13:35 <CreoBrian> sudo -> /opt/bin/sudo
Jun 19 07:13:40 <seigex> -rx-rx-rx sudo >> /opt/bin/sudo
Jun 19 07:13:41 <CreoBrian> same with visudo
Jun 19 07:13:42 <seigex> or something like that
Jun 19 07:13:47 <seigex> yeah u're good
Jun 19 07:13:48 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 07:13:56 <seigex> you want dropbear or openssh
Jun 19 07:14:06 <seigex> openssh is what i use and it works
Jun 19 07:14:07 <CreoBrian> openssh since i'm more familiar with it
Jun 19 07:14:08 <seigex> haven't tried dropbear
Jun 19 07:14:11 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 07:14:21 <seigex> before you do 13 let me check something
Jun 19 07:14:36 <seigex> in the mean time do this
Jun 19 07:14:49 <seigex> type /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install nano
Jun 19 07:15:07 <CreoBrian> its already installed.
Jun 19 07:15:40 <seigex> ok do 13b
Jun 19 07:15:44 <CreoBrian> k
Jun 19 07:15:44 <seigex> ok
Jun 19 07:16:08 <seigex> ok initctl start optware-openssh
Jun 19 07:16:48 <seigex> ok now go to putty and telnet in
Jun 19 07:16:59 <CreoBrian> wait, sorry
Jun 19 07:17:10 <CreoBrian> I'm still on 13b, file already exists. shall I delete and redownload?
Jun 19 07:17:22 <seigex> yeah
Jun 19 07:17:51 <tmzt> ste: Wy: appwakemodem, modemwakeapp, modemwakeusb (gpios)
Jun 19 07:17:59 <CreoBrian> now I want to enable EVDO access, so I need to edit that file first right?
Jun 19 07:18:01 <flare576> hrm... why is it I can't run "reboot" over ssh?  "-sh: reboot: not found"
Jun 19 07:18:14 <seigex> you have to /sbin/reboot
Jun 19 07:18:21 <rwhitby> flare576: did you use -i to sudo ?
Jun 19 07:18:21 <flare576> thank you
Jun 19 07:18:36 <seigex> the PATH's are a little funky
Jun 19 07:18:47 <rwhitby> only if you forget to sudo -i ....
Jun 19 07:18:52 <seigex> u can ln -s /sbin/reboot /bin/reboot
Jun 19 07:18:57 <flare576> thank you, "sudo -i reboot" worked
Jun 19 07:19:05 <seigex> i su
Jun 19 07:19:06 <seigex> i don't sudo
Jun 19 07:19:12 <seigex> so there
Jun 19 07:19:20 <rwhitby> su has a similar flag, doesn't it?
Jun 19 07:19:30 <seigex> i su to a root user
Jun 19 07:19:40 <CreoBrian> ok I removed the "-i eth0" on both lines
Jun 19 07:19:44 <rwhitby> yes, but do you tell it to run root's profile?
Jun 19 07:19:48 <flare576> I'll need to lookup the difference, I thought "su" and "sudo" had a very similar effect
Jun 19 07:20:01 <seigex> oh i get ya
Jun 19 07:20:02 <rwhitby> seigex: su -l ...
Jun 19 07:20:02 <j0sh> yeah for some reason i couldnt su unless i did sudo su, or sudo -i su as rwhitby suggested
Jun 19 07:20:09 <seigex> never done that..
Jun 19 07:20:10 <flare576> ohhh, duh, my bad, switch user, n/m
Jun 19 07:20:13 <seigex> like i said i'm not an ubuntu user
Jun 19 07:20:18 <seigex> i always just logged in as root
Jun 19 07:20:18 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 07:20:24 <j0sh> bad
Jun 19 07:20:26 <j0sh> =[
Jun 19 07:20:37 <seigex> not really
Jun 19 07:20:40 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 07:20:41 <rwhitby> almost as bad as using telnet ;-)
Jun 19 07:20:43 <seigex> if yo'ure going to sudo -s or su anyways
Jun 19 07:21:00 <j0sh> yeah its just one of those things youre supposed to say
Jun 19 07:21:05 <seigex> bah... if you know how to secure your system you aint got much to worry about
Jun 19 07:21:07 <flare576> it's true, if you're just going to spam sudo, might as well just be that user.
Jun 19 07:21:07 <tiv> Creo, once I removed -i eth0 from both lines, i was able to ssh via evd0 no problem, but still not wifi.
Jun 19 07:21:08 <j0sh> "logging in as root is bad"
Jun 19 07:21:09 <CreoBrian> seigex: OK I just did "initctl start optware-openssh"
Jun 19 07:21:22 <CreoBrian> I haven't had trouble SSH'ing to wifi
Jun 19 07:21:28 <seigex> anyways most programs run suid root anyways
Jun 19 07:21:38 <CreoBrian> and I can SSH to evdo as well so long as I have the current IP, it just changes lots ;)
Jun 19 07:21:48 <tiv> yeah
Jun 19 07:21:57 <tiv> dynamic DNS like they suggested to me earlier, on the wiki
Jun 19 07:22:07 <seigex> creo, ok so have you run initctl
Jun 19 07:22:14 <CreoBrian> yes.
Jun 19 07:22:36 <seigex> and have you ssh'd in
Jun 19 07:23:14 <seigex> ?
Jun 19 07:23:16 <CreoBrian> no
Jun 19 07:23:23 <CreoBrian> i've lost ssh
Jun 19 07:23:24 <seigex> well then
Jun 19 07:23:28 <tmzt> volume, ptt, lock are matrix
Jun 19 07:23:36 <seigex> how did you lose it?
Jun 19 07:23:48 <CreoBrian> connection refused
Jun 19 07:23:51 <seigex> what port
Jun 19 07:23:52 <CreoBrian> cant ssh in
Jun 19 07:23:53 <CreoBrian> 222
Jun 19 07:24:21 <seigex> and you're not telnetted inr ight now right?
Jun 19 07:24:32 <tmzt> no, just gpio
Jun 19 07:24:38 <CreoBrian> well i am, as root, but that was never a prob before.. i'll drop telnet
Jun 19 07:24:39 <seigex> sigh
Jun 19 07:25:14 <CreoBrian> aargh
Jun 19 07:25:16 <seigex> if this doesn't work then the only thing i can tell u is to do what i said before.. port foward and re root
Jun 19 07:25:20 <seigex> i'll work my majic
Jun 19 07:25:22 <seigex> majig
Jun 19 07:25:24 <seigex> magic
Jun 19 07:25:27 <seigex> if i can spell it first
Jun 19 07:25:34 * rwhitby is going to put the Pre ringtone on his Treo 650 ...
Jun 19 07:25:46 <CreoBrian> I'm frustrated 'cause our progress seems to be steady, but in the wrong direction lol
Jun 19 07:25:57 <CreoBrian> not your fault.. just.. you know.. aargh heheh
Jun 19 07:26:11 <seigex> well its sorta hard to troubleshoot over an irc channel
Jun 19 07:26:11 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 07:26:17 <CreoBrian> indeed it is
Jun 19 07:27:05 <seigex> so get to getting on the port forward.. there's not exactly much i can do to your pre asside from making phone calls to.. oh wait i have my own pre with simply everything unlimited
Jun 19 07:27:06 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 07:27:12 <tiv> can you not ssh while connected usb?
Jun 19 07:27:18 <tiv> or novaterm
Jun 19 07:27:26 <CreoBrian> i am connected by usb
Jun 19 07:27:31 <analog1> where can i find the wav/whatever for text messages?
Jun 19 07:27:48 <seigex> all the novacom does is gives talk.py access to enable telnet
Jun 19 07:27:48 <tiv> itunes?
Jun 19 07:28:06 <analog1> referring to where can i locate it inside the phone :)
Jun 19 07:28:17 <CreoBrian> analog: the whom for which?
Jun 19 07:28:33 <analog1> text msg's
Jun 19 07:28:36 <rwhitby> analog1: /media/internal/ringtones perhaps?
Jun 19 07:28:50 <analog1> lol, no guys, maybe i'm not being clear
Jun 19 07:28:58 <analog1> i want to change the noise for an incomming txt msg
Jun 19 07:29:05 <tiv> oh
Jun 19 07:29:08 <CreoBrian> ringtones then
Jun 19 07:29:10 <tiv> like in the settings you mean
Jun 19 07:29:20 <CreoBrian> oh
Jun 19 07:29:34 <analog1> no bro i want to edit the alert in the phone and replace it with something else
Jun 19 07:29:59 <CreoBrian> possibly in luna-system or whatever its called??
Jun 19 07:30:01 <rwhitby> http://predev.wikidot.com/alerts-from-usb
Jun 19 07:30:05 <rwhitby> analog1: ^
Jun 19 07:30:19 <CreoBrian> dont listen to me, i'm just making random useless guesses
Jun 19 07:30:36 <analog1> nice rwhitby, i did not see this page
Jun 19 07:30:37 <tiv> ditto
Jun 19 07:30:45 <rwhitby> or maybe http://predev.wikidot.com/change-the-default-notification-wav-sound
Jun 19 07:30:55 <rwhitby> I've not tried either.
Jun 19 07:30:58 <rwhitby> (since I have no Pre0
Jun 19 07:31:09 <analog1> seriously?
Jun 19 07:31:10 <seigex> wtf's wrong with u rwhitby?
Jun 19 07:31:15 <analog1> i read a website where they interviewed you
Jun 19 07:31:15 <rwhitby> .au
Jun 19 07:31:16 <seigex> lepper
Jun 19 07:31:19 <seigex> oh
Jun 19 07:31:22 <seigex> sorry :(
Jun 19 07:31:45 <rwhitby> Not having a Pre is a small price to pay to live in the best country in the world ...
Jun 19 07:31:45 <tiv> "Currently all of these methods still keep the Notification Tone as the sound used for new email, text, and charger connect. Seperating these is on the way."
Jun 19 07:32:03 <rwhitby> analog1: seriously.
Jun 19 07:32:18 * CreoBrian is pretty sure he lives in the best country in the world, AND has a Pre... but thats a debate for another time and place :D
Jun 19 07:32:18 <Bales> oh btw...hows that whole internet filtering thing goin whitby? :P
Jun 19 07:32:20 <tiv> Do you use webos on something else? or what
Jun 19 07:32:37 <CreoBrian> sorry.. dont mean to rub it in
Jun 19 07:32:40 <rwhitby> Bales: not happening as far as I know
Jun 19 07:32:48 <tiv> I'm not a huge fan of living in the US at times.
Jun 19 07:32:49 <CreoBrian> sure appreciate all your help rwhitby
Jun 19 07:33:08 <rwhitby> tiv: nope, I do everything through remote control of you folks ...
Jun 19 07:33:19 <tiv> dope
Jun 19 07:33:28 <jblebrun> We like to call him "puppetmaster"
Jun 19 07:33:38 <tiv> but haven't touched the physical device ever?
Jun 19 07:33:42 <rwhitby> Nope
Jun 19 07:33:46 <tiv> interesting
Jun 19 07:33:46 <CreoBrian> fascinating
Jun 19 07:33:49 <tiv> very
Jun 19 07:33:53 <rwhitby> Haven't even seen on in real life.
Jun 19 07:33:57 <rwhitby> s/on/one/
Jun 19 07:33:58 <tiv> i <3 the iNet
Jun 19 07:34:14 <CreoBrian> palm owes you a medal or somethin heh
Jun 19 07:34:31 <tiv> if I were rich i'd give you one just on general principle -=P
Jun 19 07:34:35 <rwhitby> Isn't that why you start IRC channels?  So you can invite the right people and make sure that they get all the problems fixed in a device before it becomes available for sale in your area?
Jun 19 07:34:35 <tiv> but clearly, I'm not.
Jun 19 07:34:57 <tiv> ...No, I'm sure they'll shit problematic ones to your country soon enough lol
Jun 19 07:35:01 <tiv> ship*
Jun 19 07:35:17 <tiv> thats not the way us yankees work
Jun 19 07:35:20 <CreoBrian> loaded mistype there
Jun 19 07:35:38 <rwhitby> Well, until it can do what my Treo 650 currently does, I aint buying.
Jun 19 07:35:46 <CreoBrian> ?
Jun 19 07:35:50 <tiv> I have a treo too,
Jun 19 07:35:59 <tiv> haven't touched it or my ipod hardly since i got my pre
Jun 19 07:36:08 <tiv> never unlocked much potential in my treo
Jun 19 07:36:15 <tiv> just loved playing dopewars
Jun 19 07:36:26 <jblebrun> I picked up my Centro yesterday to look at a train schedule program
Jun 19 07:36:29 <rwhitby> I've used Treos now for 7 years I think.
Jun 19 07:36:35 <jblebrun> I felt like I was looking at a Commodore 64 or something
Jun 19 07:36:36 <tiv> I want a dopewars type game on my pre
Jun 19 07:36:45 <tiv> my favortie mobile game lol
Jun 19 07:37:04 <seigex> hah
Jun 19 07:37:09 <tiv> yeah I looked at my treo, it was like looking at the original NES...with less flare.
Jun 19 07:37:30 <Bales> the pre is my first  palm since my zire 71 lol
Jun 19 07:38:04 <tiv> i have an 1g iPhone too i haven't brought out the house in several weeks
Jun 19 07:38:15 <tiv> cracked screen too
Jun 19 07:38:22 <tiv> i wonder how much $ i could get for it lol
Jun 19 07:38:41 <tiv> too many devices.
Jun 19 07:39:07 <tiv> i should ebay it w/ a $20 s/h fee.
Jun 19 07:39:55 <seigex> fuck the iPhone
Jun 19 07:39:59 <seigex> such a piece of shit
Jun 19 07:40:10 <tiv> well..
Jun 19 07:40:12 <jblebrun> Now now
Jun 19 07:40:14 <tiv> they're pretty cool
Jun 19 07:40:16 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 07:40:16 <jblebrun> The iPhone is fine
Jun 19 07:40:20 <tiv> yeah
Jun 19 07:40:22 <jblebrun> It's the users I have issue with ;-)
Jun 19 07:40:22 <tiv> they are.
Jun 19 07:40:25 <seigex> their "UPGRADE" includes a 600 mhz processor and 256 megs of ram
Jun 19 07:40:33 <seigex> jblebrun, dont' forget ATT
Jun 19 07:40:42 <jblebrun> bleeh
Jun 19 07:40:50 <tiv> I dont know about the specifics. but they are cool to use imo
Jun 19 07:40:52 <seigex> the Pre already has a 600mhz processor and 256 mesg of ram
Jun 19 07:40:54 <seigex> megs*
Jun 19 07:40:54 <tiv> I never had ATT though
Jun 19 07:41:02 <jblebrun> I had Cingular
Jun 19 07:41:12 <seigex> i had cingular back in the 90's
Jun 19 07:41:13 <tiv> been with nextel/sprint since 2000.
Jun 19 07:41:15 <seigex> early 200's
Jun 19 07:41:17 <seigex> 2000's
Jun 19 07:41:20 <seigex> before i switched to sprint
Jun 19 07:41:42 <tiv> i used a pre-paid tmboile account on my iPhone at times, but seldom did I ever use service on it at all
Jun 19 07:41:47 <rwhitby> US carriers - heh.
Jun 19 07:41:58 <tiv> it was basically just a iPod w/ a camera & wifi
Jun 19 07:42:38 <tiv> I wish companies implemeted easy music play/pause/last/next buttons
Jun 19 07:42:59 <tiv> i hate having to load the GUI just to switch songs
Jun 19 07:43:31 <tiv> the button on the pre's headset has a cool play/pause button
Jun 19 07:43:37 <jblebrun> tiv: Yeah I was thinking about that issue
Jun 19 07:44:08 <jblebrun> We need a "shake to shuffle" ;-)
Jun 19 07:44:20 <tiv> hmm
Jun 19 07:44:22 <tiv> that would be cool
Jun 19 07:44:39 <tiv> i wouldn't even mind if my volume buttons converted into a last/next functionality
Jun 19 07:44:45 <tiv> while the music app is loaded.
Jun 19 07:45:04 <jblebrun> I was thinking that it might be possible to use the nub button like a modifier
Jun 19 07:45:21 <tiv> that would be an extremly cool mod
Jun 19 07:45:21 <jblebrun> so if you hold it down and hit the volume keys, you get next/last behavior
Jun 19 07:45:30 <tiv> yeah
Jun 19 07:45:43 <tiv> that would DEFINITLY be cool
Jun 19 07:46:02 <tiv> someone should look into it
Jun 19 07:46:05 <tmzt> wifi is 4bit sdio
Jun 19 07:47:24 <jblebrun> 4-bit parallel interface, I'm guessing
Jun 19 07:47:27 <jblebrun> for SD cards
Jun 19 07:47:35 <jblebrun> Yup
Jun 19 07:48:14 <tmzt> based on pinmux, haven't got to driver yet, d0-d3
Jun 19 07:48:27 <tmzt> rwhitby: what doesn't it do yet?
Jun 19 07:49:38 <flare576> I missed Linux/ command line editing... just got that background flipper to work :)
Jun 19 07:50:28 <rwhitby> tmzt: real email, ssh client, irc client, travel itinerary manager (which changes the timezones according to your flight itinerary), bus schedule app.
Jun 19 07:51:13 <retry> rwhitby, what's all that ?
Jun 19 07:51:42 <tmzt> moviNAND
Jun 19 07:51:59 <tmzt> classic? if you want the old palm experience
Jun 19 07:52:06 <rwhitby> retry: stuff that a Pre has to do before it can even thing about replacing my Treo 650.
Jun 19 07:52:11 <tmzt> if not we need to get a .h made for plugins
Jun 19 07:52:16 <retry> oh i had a treo 650
Jun 19 07:52:20 <retry> they were nice
Jun 19 07:52:22 <rwhitby> tmzt: yeah, hopefully some of it will be done by classic
Jun 19 07:52:29 <retry> what's classic ?
Jun 19 07:52:44 <CreoBrian> classic = the PalmOS emulator. pretty nifty
Jun 19 07:52:50 <retry> oh
Jun 19 07:52:55 <retry> heard about that
Jun 19 07:53:01 <retry> it costs money though right?
Jun 19 07:53:06 <tiv> all the reviews I read on classic said it errored and cost $30
Jun 19 07:53:17 <retry> it should have come free
Jun 19 07:53:19 <tiv> i'd never pay $30 to use my old palm apps,
Jun 19 07:53:19 <CreoBrian> prolly.. right now its free
Jun 19 07:53:23 <retry> it would encourage more people to upgrade
Jun 19 07:53:26 <tiv> you would have thought it would come free
Jun 19 07:53:33 <tiv> it has a free trial for 5 days
Jun 19 07:53:33 <retry> it is free?
Jun 19 07:53:37 <retry> oh
Jun 19 07:53:38 <retry> meh
Jun 19 07:53:43 <tiv> wtf can you do in 5 days
Jun 19 07:53:47 <tiv> I'd sleep 3 of them away
Jun 19 07:54:07 <tmzt> maybe modem is uart and usb, the usb is for data
Jun 19 07:54:09 <tmzt> ok
Jun 19 07:54:09 <tiv> but, from the reviews I've read, it doesn't save data
Jun 19 07:54:33 <tiv> so If you use a classic app, its only as good as long as you have it loaded up.
Jun 19 07:54:49 <tiv> but i would imagine that should be fixed
Jun 19 07:54:58 <tiv> sooner rather than later
Jun 19 07:55:10 <tiv> the apps in the app catalog are really UNimpresive thus far
Jun 19 07:55:27 <tiv> i've found little use for any of them beyond tweed. and I used the craigslist once.
Jun 19 07:55:28 <tmzt> cool, if you pre keeps waking up you can see why in sysfs
Jun 19 07:56:12 <Bales> ummm....pandora?
Jun 19 07:56:14 <jblebrun> rwhitby: What's still missing for you with the Pre email client?
Jun 19 07:56:30 <rwhitby> jblebrun: the current one has no keyboard shortcuts for a start
Jun 19 07:56:31 <Bales> the gmail mobile site is better than the built in email app
Jun 19 07:56:40 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 07:56:46 <tiv> the e-mail app on my pre is lame
Jun 19 07:56:48 <rwhitby> when you hit delete, it goes back to the list of subjects rather than onto the next unread message
Jun 19 07:56:48 <tiv> i hate it.
Jun 19 07:56:53 <tiv> and it has glithces
Jun 19 07:57:06 <rwhitby> jblebrun: basically, an email client should work like ChatterEmail
Jun 19 07:57:22 <rwhitby> 1 keyboard shortcut for every action
Jun 19 07:57:38 <rwhitby> never loose an email, even if they device resets randomly.
Jun 19 07:57:38 <jblebrun> I never did have any luck with Chatter
Jun 19 07:57:54 <joshua> lose an e-mail... you using pop3? heh
Jun 19 07:57:57 <jblebrun> I always really wanted it to work...
Jun 19 07:58:06 <rwhitby> joshua: imap/ssl actaully
Jun 19 07:58:11 <tiv> i feel like my pre is soon to break
Jun 19 07:58:25 <tiv> seems so fragile
Jun 19 07:58:47 <rwhitby> jblebrun: chatter is the most productive email client ever written.  period.
Jun 19 07:58:55 <flare576> I felt like that about the screen.  Got a protector, and now I feel like it's bulletproof :)
Jun 19 07:59:08 <tiv> slider design doesn't make a great design for cases and such
Jun 19 07:59:21 <tiv> hey how is that protector flare
Jun 19 07:59:25 <rwhitby> if they could do chatter interaction experience, with the Pre's email display experience, it would be a winner
Jun 19 07:59:25 <jblebrun> rwhitby: I tried it on 2 or 3 separate occassions, and it always behaved in weird, glitchy ways, or caused my phone to reset. :(
Jun 19 07:59:26 <tiv> did you get those tough skins or what not?
Jun 19 07:59:36 <flare576> why hide the beautiful design?
Jun 19 07:59:43 <tiv> because I break phones
Jun 19 07:59:46 <flare576> I got an InvisiSheild
Jun 19 07:59:48 <tiv> and sprint has horrible insurance coverage
Jun 19 08:00:05 <tiv> i much rather save $ than boast a design
Jun 19 08:00:13 <jblebrun> The Pre's email client is OK
Jun 19 08:00:13 <tiv> personally speaking of course
Jun 19 08:00:20 <flare576> I've used that brand for years and still like them
Jun 19 08:00:35 <rwhitby> jblebrun: it's ok, but it's about as efficient for large mailing list handling as an iphone
Jun 19 08:00:38 <tiv> it took me 3 days to figure out I couldn't use pop3 on my palm pre's e-mail client with googles apps for my domain
Jun 19 08:00:41 <tiv> i had to use Imap
Jun 19 08:00:46 <flare576> wow, I'm so happy to have gotten a background rotater on my pre in only.... 3.5 hours lol
Jun 19 08:01:03 <tiv> flare = link to invisisheil?
Jun 19 08:01:05 <rwhitby> you should be able to delete a message and move onto reading the next one with a single keystroke.
Jun 19 08:01:15 <tiv> i need the background rotator
Jun 19 08:01:21 <tiv> but I haven't been able to SSH
Jun 19 08:01:28 <joshua> i just go into the message list and swipe them off
Jun 19 08:01:41 <tiv> so I just read and look for cool sstuff to come accross this room. at the moment
Jun 19 08:01:41 <flare576> http://www.zagg.com/ specifically http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/palm-pre-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
Jun 19 08:01:53 <seigex> hmm
Jun 19 08:02:05 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Yeah. That is annoying. It's probably an easy tweak, though.
Jun 19 08:02:09 <tiv> are those things thin or thick flare?
Jun 19 08:02:13 <seigex> yeah i got some small scratches on my pre:(
Jun 19 08:02:19 <seigex> you can only tell if u look hard tho
Jun 19 08:02:24 <tmzt> Multiport Highspeed Dual-role Controller
Jun 19 08:02:28 <rwhitby> jblebrun: I've worked out how to tweak it already, just waiting for a Pre or SDK to test it.
Jun 19 08:02:31 <flare576> they're pretty thin
Jun 19 08:02:31 <tiv> oh i see the youtube video
Jun 19 08:02:37 <joshua> people were complaining about bad pixels after putting on the invisible shield. Makes me kinda wary. I have it on my PSP
Jun 19 08:02:45 <flare576> I put a front/back on my wife's, and it's just barely too wide for the case that comes with the phone.
Jun 19 08:03:06 <tiv> case that comes with the phone? that little sock thing?
Jun 19 08:03:06 <rwhitby> joshua: I mean reading to the end of each message, deleting it, then moving onto the next one and being able to read a full screen of that message, all in one keystroke.
Jun 19 08:03:46 <flare576> yeah
Jun 19 08:03:47 <jblebrun> The swipe delete is satisfying sometimes ;-)
Jun 19 08:03:51 <jblebrun> Depending on the email
Jun 19 08:03:54 <rwhitby> heh
Jun 19 08:04:17 <rwhitby> all the swipy stuff should still be there, but there's gotta be some keyboard shortcuts added.
Jun 19 08:04:25 <rwhitby> it's a Palm device for god's sake.
Jun 19 08:04:35 <jblebrun> It would be nice if I could grab and swipe multiple emails in the list view.
Jun 19 08:04:55 <rwhitby> Where did the guy who used to be the number of clicks czar go?
Jun 19 08:05:07 <retry> heh
Jun 19 08:05:08 <analog1> yes, highlight a few e-mails and swipe 'em
Jun 19 08:05:09 <joshua> probably doesn't work there anymore? heh
Jun 19 08:05:09 <rwhitby> Did he get replaced by the bling guy?
Jun 19 08:05:22 <retry> bling guy and eyecandy girl
Jun 19 08:05:39 <retry> honestly, i'd trade ALL the animation in the UI for some more battery life
Jun 19 08:05:41 <jblebrun> Which one's the bling guy? Matias?
Jun 19 08:05:44 <tiv> i want the invisible sheild now
Jun 19 08:05:58 <tiv> but I also want a belt clip that I can use with my earphones plugged in
Jun 19 08:06:02 <retry> animation slows me down
Jun 19 08:06:04 <rwhitby> jblebrun: dunno, but he needs to learn to use the keyboard, whoever he/she is.
Jun 19 08:06:12 <retry> i could have clicked in the time it takes a window to expand
Jun 19 08:06:29 <CreoBrian> thanks for your help seigex.. take care all.
Jun 19 08:06:32 <retry> rwhitby, i sorta miss having the keyboard always there
Jun 19 08:06:32 <flare576> tiv: I've been going without a belt clip for now, but I have a chest-coat pocket that works well
Jun 19 08:06:34 <tiv> retry <- i hate the animations on my phone, i had trying to dial a number and loading contacts..it takes so long just to get to the #'s i want
Jun 19 08:06:38 <flare576> night CreoBrian
Jun 19 08:07:04 <retry> tiv, it'd be nice if animations could be toggled
Jun 19 08:07:22 <retry> i mean let's face it...this is javascript...animation is a lot of cpu cycles
Jun 19 08:07:24 <tiv> flare I'm still a student, not a suit jacket/blazer type of guy on the daily
Jun 19 08:07:40 <tiv> the animation is just in the wrong places at the wrong time
Jun 19 08:07:44 <flare576> me either, just a coat with a chest pocket :)
Jun 19 08:07:44 <tiv> its cool when sliding around cards
Jun 19 08:07:50 <seigex> its about tht time for me
Jun 19 08:07:52 <tiv> but as far as contacts and utilizing the phone is concerned
Jun 19 08:07:52 <retry> ok fair enough
Jun 19 08:08:01 <seigex> been awake since early this morning and only slept an hour last night
Jun 19 08:08:02 <jblebrun> When is there animation when you're dialing?
Jun 19 08:08:02 <seigex> :)
Jun 19 08:08:07 <tiv> the pre makes me sort of cringe at having to dial numbers on my phone or look up nubmers in the address book
Jun 19 08:08:09 <retry> but when I click to start an app just make it happen
Jun 19 08:08:20 <tiv> it just takes longer than I'd like
Jun 19 08:08:22 <retry> don't need to impress me with shiny
Jun 19 08:08:26 <tiv> im not sure if its "animation" or not
Jun 19 08:08:34 <tiv> its just slow...period
Jun 19 08:08:37 <retry> tiv it's not the pre to blame
Jun 19 08:08:43 <retry> it's the whole trend in technology
Jun 19 08:08:52 <retry> we have powerful cpus so let's burn them on the useless
Jun 19 08:08:55 <jblebrun> tiv: I hit launch, type three letter, and bam, there's the contact.
Jun 19 08:08:57 <tiv> everything doesn't need to be so visual & "pretty&
Jun 19 08:08:58 <retry> I blame apple for it
Jun 19 08:09:05 <tiv> reminds me of windows vista or something
Jun 19 08:09:17 <jblebrun> tiv: Are you talking about the type-to-search delay?
Jun 19 08:09:17 <joshua> maybe you guys should just switch to an android device. heh
Jun 19 08:09:22 <seigex> why does my firefox have chienese characters in the titlebar
Jun 19 08:09:22 <retry> i'm all for a great aesthetic
Jun 19 08:09:28 <retry> I have't seen the g1 at all
Jun 19 08:09:39 <retry> seigex, you're on a chinese page?
Jun 19 08:09:48 <tiv> brun, yeah, when trying to dial a number...phone bad..slight wait, searching contacts...slight wait...then i have to click the number
Jun 19 08:09:57 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 19 08:09:58 <tiv> i don't feel the need to setup quick dial buttons for every contact
Jun 19 08:09:59 <seigex> no
Jun 19 08:10:04 <seigex> its when you add the realplayer plugin
Jun 19 08:10:05 <seigex> it does it
Jun 19 08:10:10 <tiv> so its just someone inefficient/inconvient IMO
Jun 19 08:10:13 <retry> realplayer? eww
Jun 19 08:10:14 <seigex> Thanks, Google.
Jun 19 08:10:21 <seigex> yeah i need it for rtsp testing
Jun 19 08:10:22 <seigex> for the pre
Jun 19 08:10:39 <retry> rtsp? people still use realmedia tech?
Jun 19 08:10:40 <flare576> hell.... is there a way to save a file in vi as a different user if you forgot to "sudo vi <file>" ?
Jun 19 08:10:47 <seigex> there we go
Jun 19 08:11:04 <retry> flare576, no but you can change it after you leave vi with chown
Jun 19 08:11:09 <seigex> retry, yeah its one of the only streaming formats the pre supports
Jun 19 08:11:09 <joshua> :w /media/internal/somefilename.txt
Jun 19 08:11:26 <joshua> that will save it to a new file
Jun 19 08:11:26 <retry> he said different user joshua
Jun 19 08:11:30 <retry> not diff filename
Jun 19 08:11:35 <joshua> then you can sudo and cp it
Jun 19 08:11:48 <flare576> joshua: that's a great idea, too!
Jun 19 08:11:55 <retry> oh yeah i see your point
Jun 19 08:12:05 <retry> but you can't save to the USB stash as anything but root
Jun 19 08:12:12 <retry> unless you add the uid hack to fstab
Jun 19 08:12:17 <joshua> i did that earlier on a server, edited php.ini and then realized i wasn't root
Jun 19 08:12:27 <tmzt> looks like otg host is disabled in kernel
Jun 19 08:12:50 <retry> the uid hack to the usb mount is worth doing
Jun 19 08:12:58 <retry> then you can rsync to/from it very simply
Jun 19 08:13:02 <retry> without using root
Jun 19 08:13:12 <tmzt> retry: rtsp has other uses
Jun 19 08:13:35 <flare576> doesn't each user have a "Home" directory?
Jun 19 08:13:51 <retry> yes
Jun 19 08:14:03 <flare576> what's the path?  Linux n00b trying to learn :)
Jun 19 08:14:30 <joshua> echo $HOME but the default shell probably wont have it set
Jun 19 08:14:39 <retry> well typicaly on linux it'd be /home/username
Jun 19 08:14:40 <seigex> its in /var/home
Jun 19 08:14:44 <retry> but on the pre it..s yeah
Jun 19 08:14:44 <seigex> on the pre
Jun 19 08:14:54 <seigex> ie /var/home/root and /var/home/whateverusernameuadded
Jun 19 08:15:34 <tmzt> does everything run as root then?
Jun 19 08:15:51 <flare576> hmm... "/var/home/flare576/temp.sh" File is read only
Jun 19 08:15:56 <flare576> crappy
Jun 19 08:16:07 <retry> joshua, $HOME is set
Jun 19 08:16:20 <seigex> chmod u+x /var/home/etc....
Jun 19 08:16:27 <seigex> that makes it executable
Jun 19 08:16:31 <joshua> i guess the cd command just doesn't take you to it
Jun 19 08:16:36 <retry> unless the mount is ro
Jun 19 08:16:50 <retry> no it does joshua
Jun 19 08:16:50 <flare576> I just need to save it off somewhere since I'm an idiot and didn't run vi as root in the first place
Jun 19 08:16:50 <joshua> usually cd with no options takes you to $HOME. heh
Jun 19 08:17:00 <joshua> but when i did it as root on my pre it did nothing
Jun 19 08:17:05 <retry> works for me
Jun 19 08:17:07 <joshua> in busybox
Jun 19 08:17:08 <retry> just did it a sec ago
Jun 19 08:17:11 <joshua> are you using bash
Jun 19 08:17:13 <retry> no
Jun 19 08:17:16 <retry> default shell
Jun 19 08:17:18 <retry> ash I think
Jun 19 08:17:21 <seigex> off to bed
Jun 19 08:17:22 <seigex> 'nite
Jun 19 08:17:24 <retry> masquerading as sh
Jun 19 08:18:43 <tmzt> usbmon is enabled ?!
Jun 19 08:19:14 <flare576> that's very odd... I can start a new session and "touch /var/home/flare576/test" and it creates the file... but vi won't save it
Jun 19 08:19:52 <tmzt> does it have a+r?
Jun 19 08:20:52 <flare576> -rw-r--r--
Jun 19 08:21:31 <tmzt> and x?
Jun 19 08:21:32 <flare576> figured out my problem, though... sometime in the last hour or so I remounted / to "ro"
Jun 19 08:21:39 <tmzt> ah
Jun 19 08:21:42 <joshua> that would do it
Jun 19 08:21:47 <flare576> yeah... I R SMRT
Jun 19 08:22:04 <tmzt> is there a ipatbles rule to drop connections?
Jun 19 08:26:00 <retry> flare576, you should keep it ro when you're not editing
Jun 19 08:26:14 <retry> [22:16] <seigex> that makes it executable
Jun 19 08:26:15 <retry> [22:16] <joshua> i guess the cd command just doesn't take you to it
Jun 19 08:26:15 <retry> [22:16] <retry> unless the mount is ro
Jun 19 08:26:31 <flare576> definitely.  does that reset if I reboot the machine?
Jun 19 08:26:34 <retry> no
Jun 19 08:26:38 <flare576> yikes
Jun 19 08:26:51 <flare576> note to self: do not forget to remount...
Jun 19 08:27:32 <retry> it's not going to ruin anything to leave it rw
Jun 19 08:27:37 <acksez> hate to ask..
Jun 19 08:27:38 <retry> but that's how the pre devs had it
Jun 19 08:27:43 <retry> so best to keep it that way
Jun 19 08:27:52 <flare576> ah, I understand, thank you :)
Jun 19 08:27:53 <acksez> but i set the proxy settings, but laptop can get the ip
Jun 19 08:27:58 <retry> not sure if ash has cmds you can run at logoug
Jun 19 08:28:01 <retry> but bash does
Jun 19 08:28:03 <acksez> but doesnt load the websites
Jun 19 08:28:16 <retry> I was thinking of using bash and then adding something to automatically check and remount / to ro when I logout
Jun 19 08:28:51 <flare576> If you figure that out, I'm guessing the wiki would love it.
Jun 19 08:29:31 <acksez> no help?
Jun 19 08:29:52 <flare576> sorry man, we can't talk about tethering
Jun 19 08:30:07 <acksez> =[
Jun 19 08:30:25 <acksez> i was talking about bluetooth d00d.
Jun 19 08:30:28 <acksez> :x
Jun 19 08:30:44 <acksez> i dont even know what tethering is..
Jun 19 08:31:12 <tiv> flare would never make it on the stand. be sure not to take him along for any unquestionable rides.
Jun 19 08:31:38 <flare576> I just found this site/community, I'd like it to stick around for a while ;)
Jun 19 08:32:08 <acksez> so- talking about any legal shit could bust us?
Jun 19 08:32:40 <acksez> probally take this channel down
Jun 19 08:32:42 <joshua> I want to actually get the PAM add-on added to my account so I can tether, but I don't think anyone has been able to do it on these everything plans
Jun 19 08:32:57 <acksez> PAM?
Jun 19 08:33:03 <joshua> phone as modem
Jun 19 08:33:09 <acksez> oh
Jun 19 08:33:30 <flare576> acksez: when you see something as specific as this, it stands out http://predev.wikidot.com/tethering
Jun 19 08:44:07 <acksez> wh0rd
Jun 19 08:44:21 <acksez> it is what it is.
Jun 19 08:45:34 <flare576> dumb n00b question if anyone is still around: what's the easiest way to get a file (image) off of the wiki and into my pre for: http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons
Jun 19 09:02:43 <analog1> save to usb and cp it when in ssh to where it needs to go on the phone
Jun 19 09:03:35 <joshua> flare576: if the file is online you can grab it with wget
Jun 19 09:05:03 <flare576> thanks :) I tried that one from one of the other tutorials, hopign it wasn't just for package installation
Jun 19 09:05:28 <flare576> is there a nice way of getting something from my PC to that file structure?
Jun 19 09:05:47 <flare576> I've just been putting things on a server then pulling 'em down with wget
Jun 19 09:06:12 <joshua> you on windows or mac or linux or freebsd
Jun 19 09:06:24 <joshua> or BeOS
Jun 19 09:06:28 <flare576> lol
Jun 19 09:06:29 <flare576> windows
Jun 19 09:06:37 <flare576> vista at this poing
Jun 19 09:06:39 <flare576> *point
Jun 19 09:06:43 <joshua> if you have ssh set up you can use winscp
Jun 19 09:07:45 <flare576> ah, I see, cut out the middle man and turn my machine into a server
Jun 19 09:11:17 <oc80z> hi
Jun 19 09:11:21 * oc80z destroys powerd
Jun 19 09:13:54 <weechat2> heh
Jun 19 09:13:57 <retry> hey if I am hacking a pre app from the shell
Jun 19 09:14:08 <retry> do I have to restart a service or something for changes to take effect?
Jun 19 09:14:14 <flare576> huh.... 2am says the clock... last time I stayed up this late fiddling with shit was... a very long time ago lol
Jun 19 09:14:19 <retry> I'm trying to do a mod of that camera delay button
Jun 19 09:14:22 <oc80z> yeah retry
Jun 19 09:14:25 <retry> what is it?
Jun 19 09:14:27 <oc80z> that may be cached
Jun 19 09:14:35 <flare576> retry: think you have to rebooth the whole damn machien :(
Jun 19 09:14:40 <retry> no way
Jun 19 09:14:47 <retry> it's js and html
Jun 19 09:14:51 <retry> has to be a simpler way
Jun 19 09:14:53 <retry> than a full reboot
Jun 19 09:14:57 <oc80z> if it is a service you have to initctl stop /etc/events.d/service.name ; initctl start ...
Jun 19 09:15:06 <retry> i know how to initctl services
Jun 19 09:15:11 <retry> I want to know the specific service
Jun 19 09:15:15 <retry> or specific cache to clear
Jun 19 09:15:16 <oc80z> i thought you bricked the phone today
Jun 19 09:15:23 <retry> i bricked it yesterday
Jun 19 09:15:29 <retry> that was not my fault really
Jun 19 09:15:38 <retry> we figured out that mount -a will ALWAYS brick a pre
Jun 19 09:15:43 <oc80z> com.palm.taskScheduler-1 <--- wtf
Jun 19 09:15:53 <oc80z> is that synergy messing with the battery
Jun 19 09:16:10 <retry> reboot (or orange-sym-r)
Jun 19 09:16:17 <retry> what's this orange thing?
Jun 19 09:16:19 <oc80z> lol ok
Jun 19 09:17:41 <joshua> the button that is orange
Jun 19 09:17:51 <retry> ah a keyboard combo to reboot?
Jun 19 09:17:54 <retry> i see
Jun 19 09:18:05 <joshua> if you are logged in just type 'reboot'
Jun 19 09:19:35 <retry> i am trying to avoid the reboot though
Jun 19 09:19:36 <retry> that's the point
Jun 19 09:19:37 <retry> here's something
Jun 19 09:19:49 <retry> /sbin/stop LunaSysMgr
Jun 19 09:19:53 <retry> /sbin/start LunaSysMgr
Jun 19 09:19:58 <joshua> kill the java process and see what happens. heh
Jun 19 09:19:59 <retry> nice it works
Jun 19 09:20:11 <retry> it rebooted just the guit
Jun 19 09:20:23 <retry> kinda like telling X to restart
Jun 19 09:21:44 <retry> ok the camera delay hack on the wiki seems to pretty much break the cam app
Jun 19 09:22:26 <retry> oh might have been my fault
Jun 19 09:22:33 <retry> since I commented out something that maybe broke js event handling
Jun 19 09:24:20 <retry> ok excellent
Jun 19 09:24:43 <retry> LunaSysMgr guys was the thing to reset...but still I wonder if there is a faster way
Jun 19 09:28:04 <flare576> gonna have to try that; trying to get more search options (easy stuff to start :)
Jun 19 09:28:08 <tmzt> retry: uh, no
Jun 19 09:28:24 <retry> tmzt, what?
Jun 19 09:28:45 <retry> no to a faster way?
Jun 19 09:28:57 <tmzt> mount -a breaks input
Jun 19 09:29:04 <tmzt> doesn't "brick"
Jun 19 09:29:05 <retry> yes it does
Jun 19 09:29:19 <retry> well yeah kinda does
Jun 19 09:29:22 <retry> think about it
Jun 19 09:29:34 <retry> if your ssh went down for whatever reason
Jun 19 09:29:37 <flare576> brick = dead to most folks
Jun 19 09:29:41 <retry> you'd have NO way to fix
Jun 19 09:29:43 <tmzt> so your phone doesn't boot anymore?
Jun 19 09:29:57 <retry> i guess you could pull the battery
Jun 19 09:29:59 <retry> and then restart
Jun 19 09:30:16 <tmzt> brick - state of being like a brick, not usable for it's primary purpose (also: paperweight and doorstop)
Jun 19 09:30:33 <retry> yeah alright
Jun 19 09:30:50 <retry> but brick doesn't mean you can't restore to factory default
Jun 19 09:31:02 <tmzt> or flash it
Jun 19 09:31:29 <tmzt> that usage is still common, even if the dame is not actually permenant
Jun 19 09:32:09 <tmzt> anyway, kernel is not going to help us with much
Jun 19 09:33:23 <tmzt> nor will the other code, the only thing remotely interesting (other than video) is the ipc stuff and it seems to be a wrapper aroind dbus with some other functionality
Jun 19 09:33:44 <rwhitby> anything the webOS Doctor can fix is not bricked
Jun 19 09:33:48 <flare576> night all, thank you for your helps :)
Jun 19 09:33:48 <rwhitby> it's simply ill.
Jun 19 09:34:05 <tmzt> if anyone is interested in native code and is not a major developer, we need to figure this out ourselves
Jun 19 09:35:37 * rwhitby starts on quilt work flow
Jun 19 09:35:42 <tmzt> rwhitby: reboot will fix mount -a breaking input
Jun 19 09:35:49 <tmzt> for kernel?
Jun 19 09:46:46 <retry> I'm working on a mod of the delay timer mod to do a 10 second countdown button that actually counts down from 10
Jun 19 09:46:56 <retry> it's working ...just need to fix the css a bit
Jun 19 09:47:36 <retry> pretty good learning experience for me while building on previous work done...maybe I should wiki it?
Jun 19 09:47:43 <rwhitby> sure
Jun 19 09:47:56 <retry> do I need to register to edit pages?
Jun 19 09:48:06 <rwhitby> yep
Jun 19 09:48:17 <retry> k I'll prolly do it tomorrow
Jun 19 09:50:26 <crash_pr> tmzt did you figured out hot to video?
Jun 19 09:51:04 <tmzt> ?
Jun 19 09:51:24 <crash_pr> how to take video
Jun 19 09:51:49 <tmzt> no
Jun 19 09:52:09 <tmzt> I meant video out and acceleration, the gstreamer patches
Jun 19 09:52:22 <tmzt> does pre have tv out?
Jun 19 09:52:36 <crash_pr> ah! cool
Jun 19 09:53:01 <rwhitby> the SoC has, the Pre does not.
Jun 19 09:53:04 <crash_pr> if it does i think it should be like the ipod
Jun 19 09:53:19 <crash_pr> with the 3.5 cble
Jun 19 09:53:27 <tmzt> oh
Jun 19 09:53:40 <tmzt> ok
Jun 19 09:53:46 <tmzt> it does have serial
Jun 19 09:54:06 <retry> man there has to be a faster dev cycle than having to reboot this cam everytime I tweak a bit of javascript
Jun 19 09:54:08 <tmzt> without extra hardware but using pinmux
Jun 19 10:15:46 <Administrator__> hi all
Jun 19 10:17:53 <Valnomien> can somebody help me with regards to enabling root
Jun 19 10:21:43 <Valnomien> anybody there
Jun 19 10:28:16 <pk`bdb> I think it's probably the lack of sleep kicking in, but what's the shortcut to get out of edit mode in vi on a putty term?
Jun 19 10:28:54 <joshua> hit escape, and then :q! to quit without saving :wq to write and quit
Jun 19 10:29:49 <pk`bdb> Yeah, I thought it'd be escape too
Jun 19 10:29:53 <pk`bdb> But it doesn't do anything
Jun 19 10:30:10 <tmzt> insert mode?
Jun 19 10:30:23 <tmzt> ctrl right bracket might work
Jun 19 10:30:55 <pk`bdb> Not implemented
Jun 19 10:31:06 <pk`bdb> Crap did I have to keybind everything beforehand?
Jun 19 10:31:12 <tmzt> if the problem is putty, TERM might be wrong
Jun 19 10:31:21 <joshua> oh out of edit mode, my bad
Jun 19 10:31:39 <tmzt> try ctrl left bracket
Jun 19 10:31:58 <pk`bdb> Nope :\
Jun 19 10:32:45 <tmzt> just use nano
Jun 19 10:36:30 <oc80z> boo that man
Jun 19 10:44:30 <retry> ah great...removed twitter from the search app
Jun 19 10:44:46 <retry> couldn't have that on my phone on principle
Jun 19 11:03:25 <Wonder420> hello all
Jun 19 11:03:33 <Wonder420> anyone paying attention?
Jun 19 11:04:36 <Wonder420> I need some help putting something together for the Pre --- does anyone have any ideas on how to trigger the camera remotely?
Jun 19 11:05:26 <Wonder420> I want to be able to see where my Pre is wherever it goes --- I have SSH and DynDNS auto-update setup
Jun 19 11:05:58 <Wonder420> I just need a way to force the Pre to snap pics --- preferably low resolution shots for speed's sake
Jun 19 11:06:12 <Wonder420> then I can SSH / SFTP in and download the pics
Jun 19 11:06:24 <Wonder420> any thoughts out there?
Jun 19 11:08:30 <retry> Wonder420, there's a hardware test that snaps pics
Jun 19 11:08:48 <retry> so if that code is usable there might be answers there
Jun 19 11:09:13 <retry> also you could write an app that took pics and moved them to a spcial folder on the usb store
Jun 19 11:09:25 <retry> and a cron job that could scp them somewhere automatically
Jun 19 11:09:50 <Wonder420> I have it 90% the way done
Jun 19 11:09:55 <retry> oh?
Jun 19 11:09:58 <Wonder420> I just cant figure out how to auto-trigger the camera
Jun 19 11:10:14 <retry> what's the code you found to snap pics from the shell?
Jun 19 11:10:16 <Wonder420> I can already get the phone to auto-scp it to me when it takes the picture
Jun 19 11:10:29 <Wonder420> on either wifi or evdo
Jun 19 11:10:46 <Wonder420> but I can't figure out the camera tigger!
Jun 19 11:11:15 <retry> 90% you say? i sorta feel like you got all the easy parts done
Jun 19 11:11:40 <Wonder420> :) i got everything done that there is a wiki for --- no wiki's on the camera trigger part though
Jun 19 11:11:53 <retry> i was modding the cam earlier today to add a 10 second shutter delay
Jun 19 11:12:08 <retry> so I see where it calls the picture snap event
Jun 19 11:12:14 <retry> but I have no idea how to do that from shell
Jun 19 11:12:33 <Wonder420> I found an app that some guy made that is a camcorder-like app -- its more of a timelapse photo program
Jun 19 11:12:49 <retry> is that a frontend app?
Jun 19 11:12:50 <Wonder420> that is close to what I need
Jun 19 11:12:58 <retry> or shell based?
Jun 19 11:13:02 <Wonder420> frontend
Jun 19 11:13:19 <retry> seems to me you need a way to interface with the camera hooks from the shell
Jun 19 11:13:25 <Wonder420> there has to be a way to remotely trigger a script from ssh
Jun 19 11:13:43 <Wonder420> if there is a way to reboot from SSH, there should be a way to camera trigger from ssh
Jun 19 11:14:03 <retry> well ssh has no knowledge of teh camera
Jun 19 11:14:25 <Wonder420> no, but I wonder if it can at least execute a remote script
Jun 19 11:14:36 <Wonder420> any idea?
Jun 19 11:14:46 <retry> well you can ssh to the cam and fire off a cmd
Jun 19 11:14:56 <Wonder420> i mean, in theory, the reboot command is kind of like executing a script remotely
Jun 19 11:15:23 <Wonder420> that would be super cool if you could ssh into the cam directly
Jun 19 11:15:24 <retry> uh
Jun 19 11:15:55 <retry> hmm
Jun 19 11:16:02 <retry> ok good luck with that
Jun 19 11:16:43 <Wonder420> anyone else here?  any ways to run a script on the Pre over SSH?
Jun 19 11:16:44 <retry> i meant ssh to the OS
Jun 19 11:16:55 <retry> no idea why I said cam other than it's late and I'm about to sleep
Jun 19 11:17:21 <Wonder420> heh makes more sense now
Jun 19 11:17:26 <retry> ssh IPofPre <cmd>
Jun 19 11:17:34 <Wonder420> whats that?
Jun 19 11:17:43 <retry> that is how you fire off cmds remotely with ssh
Jun 19 11:17:58 <retry> do ssh <your pre's ip address> uptime
Jun 19 11:17:59 <Wonder420> that would make the pre think that it is running the command on itslef?
Jun 19 11:18:08 <retry> it doesn't think that it is
Jun 19 11:18:09 <retry> it is
Jun 19 11:18:31 <Wonder420> those instructions for linux?  Im using Putty right now
Jun 19 11:18:31 <retry> it's exactly the same as sshing in and typing the cmd on the cmdline
Jun 19 11:18:42 <retry> oh i dont think putty can do it
Jun 19 11:18:47 <retry> you need openssh on windows
Jun 19 11:19:02 <Wonder420> openssh can send cmd's huh?
Jun 19 11:19:03 <retry> does putty have a cmdline ? I'm not sure
Jun 19 11:19:08 <retry> well yeah
Jun 19 11:19:10 <Wonder420> ima go play with that
Jun 19 11:19:11 <Wonder420> thanks
Jun 19 11:19:17 <retry> openssh is part of cygwin
Jun 19 11:19:18 <retry> for windows
Jun 19 11:19:26 <retry> pretty easy to setup
Jun 19 11:19:28 <Wonder420> now i just need to find the cmd to says "take a picture"
Jun 19 11:19:32 <Wonder420> that can't be too hard to find
Jun 19 11:19:44 <retry> actually I think that is the 90% part right there
Jun 19 11:19:52 <retry> but good luck
Jun 19 11:20:10 <Wonder420> heh thats the last %10.  If I had that command, all would be well
Jun 19 11:20:27 <retry> ok but my point is that last 10% is going to be 90% of the work
Jun 19 11:20:36 <Wonder420> yeah, thats usually the way it works
Jun 19 11:20:48 <Wonder420> thx for the help
Jun 19 11:20:52 <retry> np
Jun 19 11:21:07 <Wonder420> im going to go play with shouting SSH commands at my pre, seeing if anything happens :)
Jun 19 11:21:16 <retry> hold on a sec
Jun 19 11:22:16 <Wonder420> hey, don't know if you know this, but do you know the diff between installing dropbear and openssh on the pre?
Jun 19 11:22:47 <Wonder420> I went for dropbear --- do you know if that would proclude me from using Windows OpenSSH to dial in?
Jun 19 11:23:27 <retry> you're fine
Jun 19 11:23:44 <retry> i installed openssh at first then uninstalled and put dropbear on
Jun 19 11:23:56 <retry> dropbear is an ssh client/daemon alternative to openssh
Jun 19 11:23:58 <Wonder420> figured it will still work -- but do you know what, if any, advantages OpenSSH has over dropbear for the Pre?
Jun 19 11:24:01 <retry> i read the putty docs
Jun 19 11:24:11 <retry> there are cmdline options
Jun 19 11:24:19 <retry> but you can't fire off a cmd and close
Jun 19 11:24:27 <retry> so you probably will need openssh for windows
Jun 19 11:24:35 <Wonder420> done and installed now :)
Jun 19 11:24:49 <retry> Wonder420, i was JUST talking about openssh vs. dropbear with rwhitby earlier
Jun 19 11:24:57 <retry> and he convinced me there are no advanages of openssh
Jun 19 11:25:12 <retry> dropbear supports tunnels and all the features of openssh apart from some esoteric things most people won't need
Jun 19 11:25:25 <retry> and consumes about half the resources
Jun 19 11:26:40 <retry> the one hting that dropbear lacks that could matter, and i could be wrong about this, is the socks proxy ability that openssh has
Jun 19 11:28:34 <Wonder420> sorry -- dropped my inets for a minute there
Jun 19 11:29:47 <Wonder420> u know of any commands that make the pre do stuff over SSH?
Jun 19 11:30:04 <Wonder420> I know of reboot
Jun 19 11:30:13 <Wonder420> thats the only one I can think of :)
Jun 19 11:30:31 <Wonder420> like display a text or anything?
Jun 19 11:33:03 <Wonder420> Question:  How can one trigger the Pre's camera to snap a picture from an SSH connection
Jun 19 11:33:17 <Wonder420> Question 2: Can anything be triggered remotely on the Pre over SSH
Jun 19 11:33:26 <Wonder420> (other than a reboot)
Jun 19 11:39:09 <atlanta> so since when did freenode block mibbit
Jun 19 11:39:22 <atlanta> i was just using it yesterday
Jun 19 11:43:06 <atlanta> hello anyONE THERE
Jun 19 11:43:07 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 11:53:43 <atlanta> wow and free node isn't on there list anymore
Jun 19 11:53:45 <atlanta>  thats crazy
Jun 19 12:07:24 <djk> no who's list?
Jun 19 12:12:12 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 12:12:15 <atlanta> guess not
Jun 19 12:16:06 <djk> that's a bummer on the freenode blocking mibbit access
Jun 19 12:17:39 <Wonder420> Question:  How can one trigger the Pre's camera to snap a picture from an SSH connection
Jun 19 12:17:42 <Wonder420> Question 2: Can anything be triggered remotely on the Pre over SSH
Jun 19 12:17:56 <djk> atlanta: have you tried the their suggestion of http://webchat.freenode.net/
Jun 19 12:18:07 <atlanta> yea thats what im on now
Jun 19 12:18:09 <atlanta> i was just saying
Jun 19 12:18:19 <atlanta> Wonder420:
Jun 19 12:18:21 <atlanta> yea
Jun 19 12:18:25 <atlanta> alot of things
Jun 19 12:19:11 <djk> atlanta: Here is why it's blocked
Jun 19 12:19:11 <djk> http://blog.freenode.net/2009/06/new-freenode-webchat-and-why-to-use-it/
Jun 19 12:19:42 <atlanta> thanks thats what i was looking for
Jun 19 12:21:02 <atlanta> gotcha i figured it was something to that nature
Jun 19 12:25:34 <djk> atlanta: are you using on the pre or desktop?
Jun 19 12:26:04 <atlanta> desktop
Jun 19 12:26:04 <atlanta> rigth now
Jun 19 12:26:05 <atlanta> you
Jun 19 12:26:05 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 12:26:53 <djk> I'm using pidgin
Jun 19 12:27:18 <djk> but a web irc client is good to know
Jun 19 12:35:28 <djk> atlanta: the webchat is a bit awkward to use on the Pre
Jun 19 12:36:01 <atlanta> yea i could imagine
Jun 19 12:36:10 <atlanta> maybe irc app will come out
Jun 19 12:36:48 <djk> one can hope they expand the libpurple to support the other systems
Jun 19 12:37:03 <atlanta> oh they are
Jun 19 12:37:09 <atlanta> yahoo coming next in line
Jun 19 12:37:12 <atlanta>  then i think msn
Jun 19 12:37:35 <djk> sametime would be good
Jun 19 12:38:01 <djk> support of O-T-R would be real nice but unlikely
Jun 19 12:38:43 <atlanta> what is ot
Jun 19 12:38:43 <atlanta> otr
Jun 19 12:38:44 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 12:39:18 <djk> Off-The-Record
Jun 19 12:39:19 <djk> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
Jun 19 12:47:03 <Wonder420> Question: Can anything be triggered remotely on the Pre over SSH
Jun 19 12:47:19 <Wonder420> i can get a trigger event for a text message now
Jun 19 12:47:32 <Wonder420> I can text my pre a special code and it sends me my GPS info
Jun 19 12:47:42 <Wonder420> now if I can only figure out how to get it to trigger the camera to take a pic
Jun 19 12:48:22 <djk> Wonder420: atlanta answered you before. Yes a lot of things can be triggered remotely
Jun 19 12:49:28 <djk> Wonder420: this almost sounds like you want to spy on a Pre user
Jun 19 12:50:08 <Wonder420> i want to spy on myself --- it for security almost
Jun 19 12:50:21 <Wonder420> plus if the phone ever gets stolen :)
Jun 19 12:50:27 <Wonder420> when did atlanta answer this?
Jun 19 12:51:06 <Wonder420> I wan't to make it so my pre will constantly record / upload to me when I want --- that way if I get into a riot, I will have photo-evidence even if my phone is taken
Jun 19 12:51:17 <djk> that last time you ask. It was in the middle of the mibbit/webchart.freenode comments
Jun 19 12:51:51 <djk> you plan on being in riots?
Jun 19 12:52:09 <Wonder420> he just said "alot of things" --- not planning on it, but hey, ya never know :)
Jun 19 12:52:23 <djk> an interesting idea for an on demand purpose as you suggest if it is stolen or lost
Jun 19 12:52:31 <Wonder420> its a good tool for the freedom of information
Jun 19 12:52:58 <Wonder420> ultimately I want that mix with audio recording, and face/voice recognition so I can keep a running database of all my conversations with all the people I meet
Jun 19 12:53:16 <Wonder420> I think it would be super excellent --- I have alot of heddie science conversations that I want to insta-record
Jun 19 12:53:27 <djk> I hope you let them know you are recording
Jun 19 12:53:51 <Wonder420> meh --- my eyes are recording stuff into my brain... we're only 1 step from eye-implants that can transmit data
Jun 19 12:54:06 <djk> the recording option would be real nice lost that from the treo
Jun 19 12:54:08 <Wonder420> why not just use my phone.  I mean soon, if I am just looking at you, I could be recording you
Jun 19 12:54:41 <Wonder420> alls I need for this step is a way to trigger the cam over ssh
Jun 19 12:54:47 <Wonder420> or even trigger any script
Jun 19 12:54:56 <Wonder420> I found a way to trigger a script from a txt message
Jun 19 12:54:56 <djk> and you would still have to advise you are recording
Jun 19 12:55:00 <Wonder420> but not from ssh
Jun 19 12:55:21 <Wonder420> I will get a little button on my shirt that says "Smile! You are being recorded"
Jun 19 12:55:43 <djk> I would find it an invasion of my privacy to hard media record conversation without my knowledge
Jun 19 12:56:10 <Wonder420> you shouldnt consider it private, unless you are alone
Jun 19 12:56:28 <Wonder420> im not invading anything if you are projecting your sound waves onto me
Jun 19 12:56:56 <djk> this way off topic. Away you should be able to find a way to do the triggers just nobody has shared it here yet
Jun 19 12:57:12 <retry> Wonder420, how do you mean you found a way to trigger a script throgh txt messages?
Jun 19 12:57:16 <Wonder420> :) true.  I will keep asking every couple of hours until I find something :)
Jun 19 12:57:18 <djk> you are if you are recording
Jun 19 12:57:40 <Wonder420> this is a cool one --- it sends the GPS data to your email if you text it
Jun 19 12:57:42 <djk> I would back it done on repeat asking.
Jun 19 12:57:53 <Wonder420> http://predev.wikidot.com/tracking
Jun 19 12:58:56 <Wonder420> I can probably modify that script to make it take a picture --- but Im looking for a little less invasive, more immediate method of remote execution
Jun 19 12:59:09 <wirelessdreamer> is the pre's gui xserver based, fb based, or something else?
Jun 19 12:59:14 <Wonder420> retry: heh now im 95% there
Jun 19 12:59:44 <retry> wirelessdreamer, i believe fb
Jun 19 12:59:50 <oc80z> hihih
Jun 19 12:59:52 <Wonder420> fb
Jun 19 13:00:10 <oc80z> "Palm Pre Not Saving Sprint"
Jun 19 13:00:22 <Wonder420> hey, for anyone that just showed up, I have a Q: can you trigger the camera through SSH?
Jun 19 13:00:35 <oc80z> great question Wonder420
Jun 19 13:00:49 <Wonder420> I can get a trigger to happen through a text message -- just not SSH yet
Jun 19 13:00:52 <oc80z> ill see real quick, it may be posted in the camera section
Jun 19 13:01:01 <oc80z> ah si
Jun 19 13:01:25 <wirelessdreamer> anyone here try to build a basic clutter based app for the pre?
Jun 19 13:01:54 <djk> oc80z: the Pre alone can't save Sprint
Jun 19 13:02:00 <Wonder420> lol get a bunch of pre's, and mesh network them together for a supercluster :)
Jun 19 13:02:16 <oc80z> djk, north america sprint, right.
Jun 19 13:02:19 <oc80z> ;]
Jun 19 13:04:55 <retry> sprint needs saving?
Jun 19 13:05:11 <djk> they are struggling
Jun 19 13:05:19 <Wonder420>  anyone know what recipientJSONArray refers to?  its in a script i found...
Jun 19 13:05:44 <Wonder420> just wanna make sure its not sending stuff to some guy named JSONArray
Jun 19 13:06:13 <Wonder420>  luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.messaging/sendMessageFromCompose '{"recipientJSONArray": [{"value": "'${DEST}'", "contactDisplay": "'${DEST}'
Jun 19 13:06:21 <Wonder420> thats the context
Jun 19 13:06:47 <mtkatwork> JSON is a data format from the web world
Jun 19 13:07:02 <Wonder420> ahh i see --- thx
Jun 19 13:07:45 <Wonder420> im trying to modify the tracking script to take a picture instead of sending GPS data
Jun 19 13:08:16 <Wonder420> im not too good with programming though
Jun 19 13:09:51 <atlanta> ok im back
Jun 19 13:10:06 <djk> atlanta: got your coffee
Jun 19 13:10:20 <atlanta> not yet about to go to burger king now
Jun 19 13:11:34 <atlanta> I got an auth hello world app
Jun 19 13:13:11 <atlanta> Where can i get a jar decoder
Jun 19 13:13:12 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 13:13:26 <atlanta> i have a jar that  might lead to knowing exactly how apps are installed
Jun 19 13:15:46 <Wonder420> rename .jar .zip
Jun 19 13:15:52 <Wonder420> i think winRar can handle them
Jun 19 13:16:10 <atlanta> yea i know that part
Jun 19 13:16:13 <atlanta> but i mean the insides
Jun 19 13:16:14 <atlanta> like the .class
Jun 19 13:16:16 <atlanta> etc
Jun 19 13:16:40 <Wonder420> ahh i know something... gotta find it
Jun 19 13:16:47 <atlanta> ok let me know
Jun 19 13:16:56 <Wonder420> its a reverse engineering decompiler
Jun 19 13:17:06 <Wonder420> damn i just forgot the name
Jun 19 13:17:06 <atlanta> http://webos.pastebin.com/d1fa46310
Jun 19 13:17:17 <atlanta> Thats the command line of it
Jun 19 13:17:21 <atlanta> i just want to see the insides
Jun 19 13:18:33 <atlanta> Usage: ${command} [OPTION...] APP_DIR Generate Palm application files in APP_DIR using a template.
Jun 19 13:18:40 <atlanta> interesting
Jun 19 13:19:12 <Wonder420> Realizer
Jun 19 13:19:34 <retry> what's that atlanta, looks like ipkg help output or something
Jun 19 13:20:04 <atlanta> nope
Jun 19 13:20:13 <atlanta> output of a jar app
Jun 19 13:20:22 <atlanta> believe its the generator for making apps
Jun 19 13:20:32 <atlanta> compiling the apps for the pre i believe
Jun 19 13:21:41 <Wonder420> is anyone here a member of the pre dev wiki?
Jun 19 13:21:47 <atlanta> i am
Jun 19 13:21:48 <atlanta> why
Jun 19 13:21:49 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 13:21:56 <Wonder420> i want to edit a page and add some info --- apparently I need an invite?
Jun 19 13:22:10 <atlanta> have to be approved by the admins
Jun 19 13:22:10 <retry> i registered tonight but couldn't edit a page
Jun 19 13:22:20 <atlanta> post in pastebin ill post up and put your name
Jun 19 13:22:30 <retry> was gonna add my 10 second timer countdown button mod to the camera mod page
Jun 19 13:22:42 <Wonder420> pastebin?
Jun 19 13:22:55 <atlanta> ttp://webos.pastebin.com/
Jun 19 13:22:58 <atlanta> http://webos.pastebin.com/
Jun 19 13:23:13 <Wonder420> I wanna add to tweak-ideas the thought of a remote-triggerable camera
Jun 19 13:23:51 <atlanta> so tigger camera remotely
Jun 19 13:23:51 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 13:25:09 <atlanta> ok added
Jun 19 13:25:17 <atlanta> refresh
Jun 19 13:25:17 <atlanta> brb
Jun 19 13:25:19 <atlanta> BK time
Jun 19 13:25:58 <Wonder420> thx
Jun 19 13:27:37 <wirelessdreamer> unzip -KX longname.jar
Jun 19 13:46:00 <oc80z> heh
Jun 19 13:46:16 <oc80z> No xls/ical importing yet
Jun 19 13:46:34 <oc80z> calendar fundamentally flawed in webos/google
Jun 19 13:47:18 <djk> oc80z: agreed it needs work as does taskes
Jun 19 13:48:01 <oc80z> i havent seen any switches/checkboxes for days to run occurences per week , webos/google respectivly
Jun 19 13:48:09 <oc80z> o well.... we ready!
Jun 19 13:48:34 <oc80z> how does the youtube app work?
Jun 19 13:48:43 <oc80z> its reading the .flv ?
Jun 19 13:49:07 <oc80z> i guess i could watch what it does over the lan w/ some wireshark
Jun 19 13:49:09 <oc80z> *shrug*
Jun 19 13:50:39 <atlanta> ok back
Jun 19 13:50:46 <oc80z> w/b!
Jun 19 13:50:48 <atlanta> thanks
Jun 19 13:51:23 <atlanta> Wonder420: find that decompiler
Jun 19 13:51:23 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 14:10:44 <mib_mdkinh> atlanta: jd-gui-0.2.9.windows.zip
Jun 19 14:17:26 <mib_mdkinh> channel went dead?
Jun 19 14:18:47 <psykoz> tiv, you still around?
Jun 19 14:19:00 <psykoz> 21:34 < tiv_> I hate it. & I need a beltclip/case that lets me keep my headphones in at the same time lol I actually use my phone more than try to hack it, not a huge code/linux type guy.
Jun 19 14:19:31 <sugardave> yes, I too am looking for a beltclip/case solution
Jun 19 14:23:43 <mrjcarter> not sure how many of you had the original HTC diamond, but I found my OEM case and the Pre fits very well
Jun 19 14:24:02 <mrjcarter> excuse me, HTC touch
Jun 19 14:25:27 <nhahn> has anyone seen this error with talk.py? http://webos.pastebin.com/m3899cb58
Jun 19 14:28:47 <retry> nhahn, try to unplug and replug your pre
Jun 19 14:28:50 <atlanta> anybody got this error
Jun 19 14:28:50 <retry> and put it in charge only mode
Jun 19 14:28:52 <retry> and try it again
Jun 19 14:28:53 <atlanta> when trying to run dropbear
Jun 19 14:28:54 <atlanta> http://webos.pastebin.com/d7e183b14
Jun 19 14:29:33 <psykoz> sugardave, I tried out the rocketfish clip/holster my friend bought for his pre (that doesn't fit because he decided to go with bodyguardz instead)
Jun 19 14:29:40 <retry> atlanta, paste contents of the optware-dropbear script
Jun 19 14:30:12 <psykoz> the rocketfish clip I think is sold at bestbuy?  anyway it's pretty nice if you don't mind keeping your screen naked/vulnerable to scratches still, it also sits in the holster nice to allow access to all buttons around the pre and the headphone jack
Jun 19 14:30:38 <nhahn> retry: just tried, same error. the weird part is that this did work.  i did the change to add pages to my launcher.  after restart - no more workie
Jun 19 14:31:15 <retry> still in dev mode?
Jun 19 14:31:22 <nhahn> yes, i checked that too
Jun 19 14:31:36 <retry> ive gotten that error before
Jun 19 14:31:48 <retry> and it's always been fixed by replugging the pre
Jun 19 14:32:12 <nhahn> i'm going to try disabling/re-enabling dev mode
Jun 19 14:32:18 * oc80z peeks in
Jun 19 14:32:43 <mib_mdkinh> atlana: jd-gui-0.2.9.windows.zip
Jun 19 14:33:58 <mib_mdkinh> atlanta: v
Jun 19 14:34:02 <mib_mdkinh> jd-gui-0.2.9.windows.zip
Jun 19 14:35:15 <atlanta> jd-gui??
Jun 19 14:35:16 <atlanta> huh
Jun 19 14:35:40 <atlanta> psykoz: i added the zagg shield
Jun 19 14:35:46 <atlanta> with the black rocketfish
Jun 19 14:35:49 <atlanta> works marvelous
Jun 19 14:36:01 <oc80z> whats good
Jun 19 14:36:19 <psykoz> wellt he guy I know said he couldn't get the rocketfish over the bodyguardz, maybe he didn't apply enough elbow grease or the bodyguardz is considerably thicker than the zagg
Jun 19 14:36:20 <atlanta> mib_mdkinh: what do you mean
Jun 19 14:36:27 <psykoz> but I was impressed with the rocketfish for sure
Jun 19 14:36:43 <atlanta> yup yup did you get the one with the holster
Jun 19 14:36:44 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 14:36:53 <psykoz> I just tried out my friends
Jun 19 14:36:54 <mib_mdkinh> search for that with google, and you'll have a java decompiler
Jun 19 14:36:59 <atlanta> oh ok
Jun 19 14:37:01 <psykoz> I won't use a holster though ;)  I am not a holster fan
Jun 19 14:37:17 <psykoz> if Barack Obama stops wearing holsters then maybe I'll wear one :) jk..
Jun 19 14:37:30 <atlanta> mib_mdkinh: exactly the one i was looking for
Jun 19 14:37:31 <atlanta> thakns
Jun 19 14:42:05 <bpadalino|work> jd is great for looking at the jars .. they do such a good job at even linking the classes together
Jun 19 14:42:07 <bpadalino|work> it's wonderful
Jun 19 14:48:01 <mib_mdkinh> has anyone tried holding down the volume, while turning on the pre, holding the center button while turning on the pre, holding the center button and the volumedown, center button and up while turning on the pre, fliping the ringer a few times while turning one the pre...?
Jun 19 14:48:25 <bpadalino|work> i tried volume down but nothing different happened ..
Jun 19 14:51:17 <oc80z> mini usb dongles on ebay are $2 / free shipping
Jun 19 14:51:36 <bpadalino|work> micro
Jun 19 14:51:59 <bpadalino|work> hey SubtleGradient
Jun 19 14:52:10 <SubtleGradient> bpadalino|work: hey man,
Jun 19 14:53:22 <bpadalino|work> hows it going ?
Jun 19 14:53:29 <SubtleGradient> going great
Jun 19 14:53:39 <SubtleGradient> I've just been working on <redacted>
Jun 19 14:53:52 <SubtleGradient> I really like the <redacted>!
Jun 19 14:54:29 <mikewx> I need to get in on that <redacted> action, but I'm just happy sprint is replacing my phone in a couple hours
Jun 19 14:54:52 <SubtleGradient> trying to get mootools working on <redacted> might be hard, considering <redacted> uses <redacted> and <redacted> uses similar stuff as teh Moo
Jun 19 14:55:26 <bpadalino|work> oh really ?
Jun 19 14:55:40 <SubtleGradient> yes
Jun 19 14:55:47 <bpadalino|work> so <redacted> is directly included and you can't just use moo instead of <redacted> ?
Jun 19 14:56:13 <SubtleGradient> no, you can just completely ignore the existance of <redacted> on your <redacted> apps
Jun 19 14:56:22 <SubtleGradient> but then you can't use any of the <redacted> features
Jun 19 14:56:40 <EvanPro_> what SubtleGradient said.
Jun 19 14:56:51 <EvanPro_> (see my wiki article) :)
Jun 19 14:56:58 <bpadalino|work> oh, let me look at the wiki article
Jun 19 14:57:39 <EvanPro_> i just mention jquery, not mootools, but still... i'm going to finish it today hopefully. if i get bored enough at work.
Jun 19 14:58:04 <atlanta> Binarytech: are you the same person from the nextel scene
Jun 19 14:58:05 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 14:58:16 <robo__> the use of Prototype in Mojo is public knowledge
Jun 19 14:58:20 <SubtleGradient> jquery should work a treat on <redacted> without even having to remove the <redacted>
Jun 19 14:58:23 <lilrod> hi i have a question regarding rooting the pre. can anyone help?
Jun 19 14:58:25 <robo__> but don't let me stop the <redacted> fun
Jun 19 14:58:45 * EvanPro_ laughs that there is a "nextel scene"
Jun 19 14:58:54 <atlanta> EvanPro_: WAS
Jun 19 14:58:54 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 14:58:55 <SubtleGradient> lilrod: needs at least 6 inches of potting soil, and then water daily
Jun 19 14:59:05 <SubtleGradient> of crap! <redacted><redacted>!
Jun 19 14:59:06 <EvanPro_> atlanta: oh okay... good lol.
Jun 19 14:59:11 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 14:59:31 <atlanta> time to dig in the sdk?
Jun 19 15:00:09 <gaffo_work> you pissed him off it seems :()
Jun 19 15:00:12 <rgoins> can someone help me root my pre
Jun 19 15:00:17 <tiv> lol
Jun 19 15:00:43 <SubtleGradient> sorry for the joke. no intent to annoy
Jun 19 15:01:06 <tiv> I'm not a tech person, or advanced when it comes to *nix or command lines, but before asking people to help, this site http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jun 19 15:01:15 <tiv> helped me root my pre with little questions posed to the CHAN
Jun 19 15:01:30 <tiv> I say check it out, then ask what you don't understand
Jun 19 15:01:36 <tiv> it will get you a lot further
Jun 19 15:01:39 <rgoins> yes that "predev" sit referred me here
Jun 19 15:01:43 <tiv> and help you ask a more SPECIFIC question
Jun 19 15:01:44 <EvanPro_> rgoins: i think there's another channel for "getting started"
Jun 19 15:01:50 <bpadalino|work> #preguides ?
Jun 19 15:02:02 <rgoins> im having problems with step 10
Jun 19 15:02:08 <bpadalino|work> i wish i knew more about how js/css/html5 worked ...
Jun 19 15:02:10 <rgoins> with the errors
Jun 19 15:02:22 <bpadalino|work> especially the js aspect and including these different libraries
Jun 19 15:02:39 <EvanPro_> bpadalino|work: i'm going to try to cover as much of that as i can in my guide.
Jun 19 15:02:47 <bpadalino|work> i'd love to see if processing.js can work reasonably well on the phone
Jun 19 15:03:13 <atlanta> EvanPro_: you have a guide
Jun 19 15:03:13 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 15:03:27 <bpadalino|work> atlanta, http://predev.wikidot.com/building-webos-mojo-applications
Jun 19 15:03:30 <atlanta> i just got some tutorial apps for the phone
Jun 19 15:03:38 <EvanPro_> atlanta: i started on one last night... ^^
Jun 19 15:03:49 <atlanta> cool cool
Jun 19 15:03:57 <bpadalino|work> evanpro, nothing in the git repo yet ?
Jun 19 15:04:00 <atlanta> also grabbed the hello world app from palm
Jun 19 15:04:01 <EvanPro_> i'm going to take it further with controllers, scenes, etc etc.
Jun 19 15:04:02 <rgoins> ok to be more specific, im have a question about the errors im getting when trying to use th command prompt. it tells me to turn off all firewalls and disable all antivirus programs but im still getting the same error messages
Jun 19 15:04:27 <EvanPro_> bpadalino|work: no, i fell asleep last night.. i'll push it when i get into the office sinec i always gave like 50 git windows open there anyways.
Jun 19 15:04:45 <bpadalino|work> rgoins, please use webos.pastebin.com to paste your errors and then link us .. verbosity is helpful when debugging errors
Jun 19 15:05:11 <rgoins> thanks bpadalino
Jun 19 15:05:20 <EvanPro_> man, i can't type this morning... since* have*
Jun 19 15:05:27 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 15:05:28 <bpadalino|work> evanpro, moar coffee!!
Jun 19 15:05:32 <bkuberek> https://pdnet.palm.com/wps/portal/pdnet/developers
Jun 19 15:05:55 <EvanPro_> bpadalino|work: i'm getting there lol.
Jun 19 15:06:00 <SubtleGradient> eep. gotta reboot.
Jun 19 15:06:07 <SubtleGradient> installing <redacted>
Jun 19 15:06:32 <EvanPro_> alright. i will be on in about 45 to an hour depending on traffic.
Jun 19 15:07:21 <EvanPro_> let's see what sprint nav thinks...
Jun 19 15:07:32 <EvanPro_> ETA: 8:57am
Jun 19 15:07:53 <atlanta> EvanPro_: what state u in
Jun 19 15:07:54 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 15:08:08 <EvanPro_> Arizona
Jun 19 15:08:11 <atlanta> gotcha
Jun 19 15:09:32 <atlanta> finger prints are getting rediculous on my phone
Jun 19 15:09:32 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 15:10:35 <atlanta> If we turn text in the browser into rich text we could copy and paste
Jun 19 15:10:58 <atlanta> just used a sample app from palm and it was a rich text section
Jun 19 15:11:10 <atlanta> it was regular text on the app but you could select etc
Jun 19 15:14:16 <sugardave> wth is this <redacted> crap?
Jun 19 15:14:26 <bpadalino|work> probably due to NDA's ?
Jun 19 15:14:35 <bpadalino|work> and not wanting to disclose information
Jun 19 15:14:53 <sugardave> k, it's just funny "installing <redacted>"
Jun 19 15:14:56 <sugardave> okay, awesome!
Jun 19 15:15:55 <bkuberek> anyone know of IRC clicnt for the PRE?
Jun 19 15:16:02 <sugardave> irssi
Jun 19 15:16:16 <sugardave> I couldn't get bitchx to work, but I'm not an IRC person
Jun 19 15:16:34 <bkuberek> cool. gonna check
Jun 19 15:20:00 <bkuberek> Mibbit <mibbit.com>
Jun 19 15:20:50 <bkuberek> mibbit.com runs on the browser without java or flash
Jun 19 15:23:43 <djk> bkuberek: fyi freenode banned mibbit
Jun 19 15:25:14 <gaffo_work> has anyone heard when the full <redacted> might be released?
Jun 19 15:25:34 <bkuberek> oh really
Jun 19 15:25:47 <bkuberek> I just found out about mibbit. is it bad?
Jun 19 15:26:41 <crash_pr> sdk
Jun 19 15:26:49 <gaffo_work> crash yes
Jun 19 15:27:57 <d3sm0nd> so sdk is out?
Jun 19 15:30:14 <crash_pr> i dont think so.. :(
Jun 19 15:32:28 <destinal1> the full <redacted> !
Jun 19 15:34:09 <crash_pr> lol
Jun 19 15:34:55 <gaffo_work> destinal1, that's a good movie
Jun 19 15:35:12 <gaffo_work> destinal1, hard to understand their accents
Jun 19 15:35:18 <destinal1> hehe
Jun 19 15:37:27 <Bsims> I am getting my palm pre today, and I want to know if there is a ssh client on it so I can connect remotely to my Linux box
Jun 19 15:37:45 <en0x> no
Jun 19 15:37:48 <en0x> well yes
Jun 19 15:37:52 <en0x> but you have to root it
Jun 19 15:37:53 <en0x> ;P
Jun 19 15:38:21 <gaffo_work> en0x, can you ssh from the phone without sshing into the phone first (thus making it pointless)?
Jun 19 15:38:53 <Bsims> en0x: heh its OK I already have a sprint developer account so that shouldn't be a problem
Jun 19 15:39:40 * Bsims winces can't beleve I am considering sshing so I can read usenet/irc via my phone
Jun 19 15:39:52 <en0x> gaffo_work: no
Jun 19 15:40:20 <destinal1> no framebuffer terminal yet?
Jun 19 15:40:52 <destinal1> I mean, a browser plugin would be better still, but FB would be a good start
Jun 19 15:41:20 <destinal1> guess I should look into hacking one if I want one, eh?  ;)
Jun 19 15:42:07 <en0x> possibly
Jun 19 15:43:57 <destinal1> I mean, if we can play doom, we can draw a terminal full screen
Jun 19 15:45:04 <destinal1> then again, how to launch it?
Jun 19 15:45:13 <Bsims> The only app I really want or need is a ssh client, I'm suprrised palm hasn't written one yet
Jun 19 15:45:25 * Lurking_Grue needs emulators :)
Jun 19 15:45:35 <destinal1> well if you have a terminal you can use a native ssh client
Jun 19 15:45:45 <Bsims> true
Jun 19 15:46:08 <Bsims> its a small linux PC, so even just an xterm/bash/tinybox
Jun 19 15:46:41 * Bsims laughs I am typing this in PuTTY now
Jun 19 15:47:24 <destinal1> I don't think anyone's hacked a native gui app yet (besides official / palm sanctioned devs)
Jun 19 15:47:43 <tlp> yeah, an official terminal would be nice
Jun 19 15:48:00 <destinal1> ie, even FBdoom has to be launched via ssh remotely
Jun 19 15:48:29 <asedeno_work_afk> hah... my parents now each have a Palm Pre.
Jun 19 15:48:38 <Bsims> Any idea what gui server its running internaly?
Jun 19 15:48:51 <mikeDOTd> Dear Palm - we're growing impatient w/o that SDK.  Give us the goods! 'kkthx
Jun 19 15:49:00 <destinal1> I think it's totally custom
Jun 19 15:49:05 <Bsims> I've seen some javascript based web clients for ssh
Jun 19 15:49:16 <mikeDOTd> Bsims: yeah, there's webshell
Jun 19 15:49:24 <mikeDOTd> which kind of works, but needs some work for the pre
Jun 19 15:49:26 <Bsims> so it could posibly be done via the built in browser
Jun 19 15:49:32 <oc80z> lol
Jun 19 15:49:34 <oc80z> line of the day
Jun 19 15:49:38 <oc80z> destinal1: I mean, if we can play doom, we can draw a terminal full screen
Jun 19 15:50:45 <oc80z> hopefully with ssl portforwarding and ssh keypair authentication :P
Jun 19 15:50:50 <Lurking_Grue> WOuld it be possible to make a generic frame buffer plugin that other native apps could take advantage of?
Jun 19 15:50:58 <oc80z> and dental.
Jun 19 15:50:59 <oc80z> :P
Jun 19 15:51:02 <Rick_> What we need is to find a way from mojo to launch a non-registered app.
Jun 19 15:51:25 <oc80z> what about palm://
Jun 19 15:51:26 <mikeDOTd> someone in this channel was working on such a browser plugin
Jun 19 15:51:34 <oc80z> yeah i thought so too.
Jun 19 15:51:34 <Rick_> Yes, if we had a generic fb plugin, then we could pass a parameter to IT that ran a native binary.
Jun 19 15:51:46 <Rick_> He was here last night
Jun 19 15:51:55 <oc80z> there aint enuff time in teh day :/
Jun 19 15:52:15 <Rick_> he's tracing classic but as you can imagine, it's a non-trivial task.
Jun 19 15:52:39 <Bsims> I'd also like a ebook reader for the pre
Jun 19 15:52:57 <Rick_> _that_ you could do entirely in Mojo
Jun 19 15:53:02 <destinal1> it comes with a PDF reader, close enough?
Jun 19 15:53:06 <Rick_> aamof,   I'm working on one.
Jun 19 15:53:11 <Bsims> of course I can chain a2ps|ps2pdf and copy it that way and use the built in adobe reader
Jun 19 15:53:12 <Rick_> No, pdf sucks.
Jun 19 15:53:28 <Rick_> you can't re-flow a pdf.  Change the font-size and the text does not re-flow.
Jun 19 15:53:29 <mikewx> a ebook reader that doesn't crash (re:pdf viewer) would be nice
Jun 19 15:53:38 <destinal1> heh, fair enough
Jun 19 15:53:40 <Bsims> Hrm can the browser read a local html file?
Jun 19 15:53:52 <Rick_> Doc viewer is ok for books you can transfer to a doc....  but there;'s no bookmarking, no close and re-open at the same place.
Jun 19 15:54:09 <Rick_> YES, the browser _can_ open a local html.  but more importantly,  MOJO can open a local html.
Jun 19 15:54:29 <en0x> pdf reader sux
Jun 19 15:54:37 <en0x> it doesnt support landscape mode
Jun 19 15:54:37 <Bsims> Hrm close enough then for my tastes Rick_
Jun 19 15:54:37 <en0x> :(
Jun 19 15:54:42 <Rick_> What an ebook reader app needs for plain text reading is bookmarking and close and re-open.
Jun 19 15:54:50 * Bsims nods
Jun 19 15:55:09 <Rick_> Landscape mode for pdf reader is in the wiki in modify existing apps.
Jun 19 15:55:16 <destinal1> then an ebook reader should be possible in mojo, which makes it relatively easy?
Jun 19 15:55:18 <Rick_> It's a very straightforward set of edits
Jun 19 15:55:23 <en0x> i dont wanna root my pre
Jun 19 15:55:36 <en0x> :P
Jun 19 15:55:46 <mikeDOTd> en0x: you might be in the wrong channel then ;-)
Jun 19 15:55:51 <en0x> nah
Jun 19 15:56:04 <Rick_> a "plain text or html" ebook reader is going to be simple in mojo.   A "palm doc" compressed text reader is not quite as simple, but is entirely POSSIBLE in mojo
Jun 19 15:56:42 <Rick_> En0x:  it's going to be a while before we have a non-palm app store.   Without rooting, how do you install a non-app-store app?
Jun 19 15:56:59 <Rick_> It's sorta like the iphone folks.  You gotta jailbreak the phone
Jun 19 15:57:18 <en0x> first thing i dont have time to root my pre
Jun 19 15:57:22 <Rick_> I'm about 1/2 way through a plain text ebook reader now.
Jun 19 15:57:29 <Rick_> Time required:   < 10 minutes
Jun 19 15:57:31 <en0x> second i'm not in need to find free time to root my pre
Jun 19 15:57:38 <destinal1> you have to take the read pill
Jun 19 15:57:39 <EvanPro_> wow, sprint nav ETA was right on.
Jun 19 15:57:40 <Bsims> Rick_: and there are converters for the other formats
Jun 19 15:57:52 <sugardave> en0x, possible to root a Pre in about 5 minutes
Jun 19 15:57:53 <destinal1> red pill
Jun 19 15:57:54 <sugardave> it's cake
Jun 19 15:58:01 <en0x> i'm not saying it isnt
Jun 19 15:58:02 <Rick_> There are.   But it would be nice to be able to just download a palm-doc file,
Jun 19 15:58:11 <en0x> if there is no way to run terminal on the pre
Jun 19 15:58:17 <Rick_> and a mobipocket/kindle format file would be even nicer.
Jun 19 15:58:18 <en0x> i dont see a point why should i root it
Jun 19 15:58:32 <destinal1> en0x: there will be soon
Jun 19 15:58:43 <en0x> if there will be one they I will be hacking it
Jun 19 15:58:43 <Rick_> en0x:  it's early days.  But if we had a nice enough app, then you would have a reason.
Jun 19 15:58:44 <en0x> :P
Jun 19 15:58:57 <en0x> Rick_: i only need terminal
Jun 19 15:58:57 <oc80z> palm pre not 4g right
Jun 19 15:59:02 <mikewx> en0x: you don't have to root your pre, but you have to understand that almost any advice you get in this channel will be based on the assumption that you alreadu have
Jun 19 15:59:05 <en0x> and if i have that i have everything
Jun 19 15:59:05 <en0x> :)
Jun 19 15:59:08 <Rick_> Right.   Not 4g
Jun 19 15:59:14 * Bsims is waiting for someone to port vlc/mplayer to it
Jun 19 15:59:21 <en0x> mikewx: lol did i said something wrong?
Jun 19 15:59:22 <oc80z> Bsims hah.
Jun 19 15:59:32 <mikewx> nope, just trying to set your expectations :)
Jun 19 15:59:35 <Bsims> I know but still its neat idea
Jun 19 15:59:41 <Rick_> hahaha   mplayer, and then run it with the ascii-art driver.  :-)
Jun 19 15:59:48 <mikewx> lol
Jun 19 15:59:50 <Bsims> Rick_: Nope libcaca
Jun 19 15:59:51 <oc80z> heh
Jun 19 15:59:55 <Bsims> color ascii
Jun 19 15:59:57 <oc80z> that might be a lil CPU intense
Jun 19 15:59:59 <Rick_> yeah, color ascii
Jun 19 16:00:08 <destinal1> well, there are framebuffer terminals worth porting, but we still lack the ability to launch it
Jun 19 16:00:11 <Rick_> libcaca isn't intense at all.
Jun 19 16:00:25 <Rick_> that's why we need a "generic fb" browser plug in
Jun 19 16:00:37 <Bsims> See what I intend to use it as if it ever gets to that point is as a thin client
Jun 19 16:01:05 <Bsims> all the work is done on my pc and its just a display
Jun 19 16:01:13 <Rick_> well, there appeared to be some breakthrough's yesterday on finding a way to pass touchscreen stuff to the VNC client as mouse movements.
Jun 19 16:01:23 <sugardave> nice
Jun 19 16:01:28 <Bsims> well food time
Jun 19 16:01:38 <Rick_> bbiab,gotta talk to a customer.
Jun 19 16:01:43 <en0x> Bsims right
Jun 19 16:01:52 <en0x> hungry lunch time
Jun 19 16:06:28 <sugardave> odd...transferred files via scp to /tmp, and now, as root, cannot chown them
Jun 19 16:06:48 <gaffo_work> it's getting annoying that there aren't any new apps really coming out, just updates to apps that are already out. they should, at the very least, widen the sdk. but that's also kind of unfair as it gives people first to market for all of the "easy" apps that are needed but not yet there. Rss reader for one would be easy and I'd love to have it.
Jun 19 16:06:58 <sugardave> ack, nevermind...was not root yet :P
Jun 19 16:08:56 <en0x> i would like to see newsgator client
Jun 19 16:09:10 <destinal1> gaffo_work: give it a bit of time, we're way ahead of the iphone hacking efforts when they started (since it's linux) but even without Palm providing official tools, it can't be long
Jun 19 16:09:11 <en0x> rss reader that was be able to sync with newsgator
Jun 19 16:09:12 <en0x> ;)
Jun 19 16:10:32 <gaffo_work> destinal1, That's the rational approach, but this is the internet! but that's what I'm hoping, but it's just frustrating, I'm a software dev, I want to code on my phone, been waiting years.
Jun 19 16:11:06 <gaffo_work> en0x, any newsreader would be fine for me, I manage a few open source projects and rss is my todo for them.
Jun 19 16:11:21 <en0x> rss is a must have!
Jun 19 16:11:40 <destinal1> gaffo_work: fair enough, you're taking the modern "dev with a new platform" approach and expect the platform to be provided with tools.
Jun 19 16:11:59 <sugardave> awesome, the wiki on the "hello world" app is fantastic....would like to add the basic steps for getting your app on the phone and restart LunaSysMgr
Jun 19 16:12:25 <en0x> i just wonder if you can use js to execute some command from local fs
Jun 19 16:12:26 <gaffo_work> destinal1, I was more hoping that they'd take the android approach and open the sdk before the phone came out.
Jun 19 16:12:48 <en0x> android is bad
Jun 19 16:12:55 <destinal1> one could hope
Jun 19 16:13:08 <gaffo_work> has anyone figured out how to get the novacomm drivers for linux or do I still need windows?
Jun 19 16:13:22 <en0x> ]why don't u use ndiswrapper?
Jun 19 16:13:33 <gaffo_work> en0x, whassat?
Jun 19 16:13:48 <en0x> its a software that can load windows drivers
Jun 19 16:13:54 <en0x> as a linux module
Jun 19 16:14:03 <en0x> go read ;)
Jun 19 16:15:34 <en0x> gaffo_work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDISwrapper
Jun 19 16:15:43 <gaffo_work> en0x, reading
Jun 19 16:15:50 <konsoleX> way to crash a pre #342:  attempt to upload a 20MB file to drop.io via html uploader in links.
Jun 19 16:18:53 <eno> ndiswrapper is x86 only
Jun 19 16:27:37 <oc80z> oooh great
Jun 19 16:28:47 <oc80z> pre got wicked laggy, usb->xp, rebooted the pre with usb->xp during boot, shits like a 386 with no sprint services and no synergy.
Jun 19 16:29:23 <oc80z> blah ;D
Jun 19 16:29:48 <oc80z> like 2min boot time?
Jun 19 16:30:28 <destinal1> when cnet or whatever compared boot times iphone 3g vs 3gs vs pre, the pre was 1:40+ ?
Jun 19 16:30:48 <mikeDOTd> the pre takes forever to boot
Jun 19 16:31:20 <oc80z> yeh, more like 4 min now for me
Jun 19 16:31:32 <oc80z> device is in DOS
Jun 19 16:31:34 <oc80z> er, DoS
Jun 19 16:31:57 <oc80z> afk
Jun 19 16:32:24 <oc80z> i saw , during boot , baloon in xp -> palm novacom (bootie)
Jun 19 16:32:37 <oc80z> o well
Jun 19 16:33:19 <mdklein_> you can terminal into your pre quite a bit sooner than Luna loads... the kernel is actually quite quick, Luna takes 45s-1m to load on my pre...
Jun 19 16:37:26 <SubtleGradient> is the escape key the only key that switches to card view?
Jun 19 16:39:03 <atlanta> Luna is slow
Jun 19 16:39:11 <atlanta> even when restart it from bash
Jun 19 16:40:26 <atlanta> Hopefully they recode luna
Jun 19 16:44:26 <pEEf> Guys, boot time only matters to us.  The average user is going to boot it once (provided it doesn't crash) and then keep it up.
Jun 19 16:44:42 <pEEf> I'm sure that's low on Palm's list.
Jun 19 16:45:23 <pEEf> I bet there is a method to cause Luna to re-HUP (or flush cache) without a complete restart.
Jun 19 16:45:55 <atlanta> yurp
Jun 19 16:48:06 <pEEf> BTW: Sending a signal 1 (HUP) to it seems to be slightly quicker than killing it.  I'll do a compare.
Jun 19 16:48:48 <oc80z> how does the phone just not turn on now.
Jun 19 16:48:54 <oc80z> <palm>
Jun 19 16:48:56 <gaffo_work> en0x, for ndis I need an inf and a dll from the msi, and I can't seem to get the extract to work on linux :(
Jun 19 16:49:06 <oc80z> no <blink> palm </blink>
Jun 19 16:49:08 <oc80z> :`(
Jun 19 16:50:07 <oc80z> its like <brick> palm </brick>
Jun 19 16:51:18 <twobitsprite> I had heard about someone changing the vibrate length on notifications... but I can't find it on the wiki...
Jun 19 16:51:34 <pEEf> No, there is no real difference (maybe a second) between killing it and re-HUPping it.  40 seconds on my pre.
Jun 19 16:51:34 <oc80z> and dead pixles and air bubble?
Jun 19 16:51:36 <atlanta> i dont believe it was the length
Jun 19 16:51:40 <atlanta> just adding more of them
Jun 19 16:52:07 <twobitsprite> ok, know how to do that?
Jun 19 16:52:22 <atlanta> one second
Jun 19 16:53:00 <pEEf> twobitsprite: it's not (yet) in the wiki.
Jun 19 16:53:10 <SubtleGradient> hypothetically, if there were a webOS emulator, what keyboard shortcut would show card view?
Jun 19 16:53:15 <oc80z> i'm in via novaproxy
Jun 19 16:53:32 <atlanta> there is a emulator
Jun 19 16:53:42 <atlanta> umm  i used one of the number keys
Jun 19 16:53:46 <atlanta> SubtleGradient:
Jun 19 16:53:51 <SubtleGradient> i know, I'm just trying not to say I have it
Jun 19 16:53:53 <oc80z> browserserver & java and upstart are top cpu%
Jun 19 16:53:54 <SubtleGradient> oops
Jun 19 16:53:58 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 16:54:13 <atlanta> SubtleGradient: windows or mac
Jun 19 16:54:14 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 16:54:14 <oc80z> lots of <defunct>
Jun 19 16:54:26 <pEEf> twobitsprite: Check this post out: http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/184378-ok-rom-comes-27.html#post1688887
Jun 19 16:54:29 <atlanta> yea luna is in java
Jun 19 16:54:29 <SubtleGradient> mac
Jun 19 16:54:38 <pEEf> and the few after it.
Jun 19 16:54:44 <oc80z> may be i can fsck it
Jun 19 16:54:45 <oc80z> hehe!
Jun 19 16:58:38 <Rick_> who do I have to ask to get an invite to edit ability on the wiki?
Jun 19 16:59:00 <atlanta> just sign u p
Jun 19 16:59:04 <atlanta> and apply to get it
Jun 19 16:59:12 <Rick_> I did.  :-(
Jun 19 16:59:19 <Rick_> no reply --2 days.
Jun 19 16:59:21 <atlanta> did you leave a message in the box
Jun 19 16:59:21 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 16:59:24 <Rick_> yes.
Jun 19 16:59:36 <atlanta> Then must not got accepted??
Jun 19 16:59:37 <atlanta> i dunno
Jun 19 16:59:38 <atlanta> lol
Jun 19 16:59:46 <atlanta> what you trying to change
Jun 19 16:59:46 <atlanta> ?
Jun 19 17:00:06 <Rick_> want to work on mojo app page among other things.
Jun 19 17:00:28 <Rick_> did not get a rejection either.
Jun 19 17:00:29 <atlanta> oh i was gonna say ill do a small edit for you but nevermind
Jun 19 17:00:51 <oc80z> aye
Jun 19 17:01:03 <Rick_> small edit I can ask for here.   -- substantial posting of edits and content on getting new mojo apps in -- naaaa
Jun 19 17:02:38 <oc80z> is it common to re-run talk.py with kernel panic's on boot issues
Jun 19 17:03:14 <Rick_> so, on the how to edit page it says:  Alternatively, you may get someone who already is a member to invite you....   so I was hoping someone here could send an invitation....
Jun 19 17:03:39 <Rick_> Haven't heard anyone reporting that.
Jun 19 17:03:50 <sugardave> Rick_, are you about to add some basic steps for getting your app to the phone, etc.?
Jun 19 17:04:06 <Rick_> hoping to.
Jun 19 17:04:16 <sugardave> that's what I was going to do :P *shakes fist*
Jun 19 17:04:27 <Rick_> go right ahead. I don't have edit.
Jun 19 17:04:36 <sugardave> me, neither :D
Jun 19 17:04:44 <sugardave> just signed up/applied today
Jun 19 17:05:00 <Rick_> Also want to link to a NEW page that talks about organizing multi-page apps.
Jun 19 17:05:00 <atlanta_> i cant invite
Jun 19 17:05:59 <no1leftypitcher> I am trying to ssh through to my phone over evdo but it won't let me (I can do it w/o a problem over wifi)
Jun 19 17:06:07 <Rick_> oc80z:  I don't see anything about kernal panics in the log files of this channel
Jun 19 17:06:11 <j0sh> did you remove the -i eth0 line
Jun 19 17:06:12 <no1leftypitcher> what should i do / should have done :)
Jun 19 17:06:16 <j0sh> from the config file
Jun 19 17:06:21 <j0sh> like it says in the instructions
Jun 19 17:06:28 <j0sh> that restricts it to only wifi
Jun 19 17:06:36 <no1leftypitcher> in the script?
Jun 19 17:06:39 <no1leftypitcher> oOo gotcha
Jun 19 17:06:40 <j0sh> yes
Jun 19 17:06:46 <twobitsprite> thanks pEEf, but I don't see it there, or on the neighboring page
Jun 19 17:06:51 <Rick_> No1leftypitcher:  Did you remove the -i eth0 line from the file like it says in the inst ---  nevermind.....
Jun 19 17:07:10 <no1leftypitcher> ha thanks josh...and rick
Jun 19 17:08:39 <Rick_> slow typer sometimes
Jun 19 17:09:28 <pEEf> twobitsprite: This post confirms that adding vibrate length works for SMS, it's a start: http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/184378-ok-rom-comes-27.html#post1688906
Jun 19 17:09:30 <twobitsprite> nm... I found it
Jun 19 17:09:43 <twobitsprite> yeah, thanks :)
Jun 19 17:12:34 <twobitsprite> pEEf: btw, "tar xf - < filename.tar" is better than "cat filename.tar | tar xf -"
Jun 19 17:13:08 <twobitsprite> but, of course, "tar fx filename.tar" is even better :P
Jun 19 17:13:26 <konsoleX> tar xzf filename.tar.gz, anyone?
Jun 19 17:13:30 <atlanta_> tar cf FTW.
Jun 19 17:13:33 <atlanta_> lol
Jun 19 17:13:43 <pEEf> twobitsprite: way back in the day, tar only worked with a pipe.  It's old-school.   One thing you learn quick about Linux is there is 1000 different ways to do the same thing!
Jun 19 17:13:56 <atlanta_> pEEf: indeed
Jun 19 17:14:13 <sugardave> tar zxvf if you like to watch lines of text
Jun 19 17:14:25 <pEEf> adding a cat pipe doesn't really change anything.  It works at the same speed.
Jun 19 17:14:26 * konsoleX bunzip2s his lips
Jun 19 17:14:51 * sugardave uuencodes his wallpapers.
Jun 19 17:14:52 <pEEf> sugardave: Problem is if there are any errors, you won't see them in the flurry of filenames.
Jun 19 17:15:32 <konsoleX> the flurry of filenames is so worth it...
Jun 19 17:15:35 <twobitsprite> pEEf: I believe "<" for file redirection has been around since /bin/sh...
Jun 19 17:15:36 <pEEf> Many people were extracting the rootfs image without being root and the mknods were failing for all the /dev nodes.  That "broke" the image.
Jun 19 17:15:52 <sugardave> oops
Jun 19 17:16:00 <pEEf> twobitsprite: Probably before!  =)
Jun 19 17:16:14 <twobitsprite> anyways... its just a pet peave of mine to see useless uses of cat(1)
Jun 19 17:16:28 <pEEf> If you add a "v" you won't see the mknod errore
Jun 19 17:16:49 <pEEf> twobitsprite: there are many ways to skin a CAT.  :D
Jun 19 17:16:55 <Tene> 'useless use of cat' makes me sad
Jun 19 17:17:12 <nebula> yay
Jun 19 17:17:22 <sugardave> cat 'can of tuna'
Jun 19 17:17:27 <nebula> now that we have the source for pulseaudio, bitpool settings can be hacked
Jun 19 17:17:36 <sugardave> cat: can't open 'can of tuna'
Jun 19 17:17:49 <atlanta_> nebula: what is bitpool
Jun 19 17:17:49 <atlanta_> ?
Jun 19 17:18:05 <nebula> atlanta_: audio quality for a2dp stereo
Jun 19 17:18:12 <atlanta_> oh ok gotcha
Jun 19 17:18:15 <nebula> it's piss poor out of the box
Jun 19 17:18:53 <pEEf> nebula: what do you think needs changing?
Jun 19 17:19:28 <nebula> if it can't be set manually... the min/max values maybe :/
Jun 19 17:19:36 <nebula> bad hack, imho
Jun 19 17:20:36 <nebula> http://dpaste.com/57251/
Jun 19 17:21:10 <atlanta_> interesting
Jun 19 17:21:15 <atlanta_>  wish i knew C
Jun 19 17:21:16 <nebula> max bitpool is 64, i'd like to just hack it to stay there for me ;)
Jun 19 17:21:17 <atlanta_> then i would help out
Jun 19 17:21:29 <atlanta_> what is it on , on the opre
Jun 19 17:21:30 <atlanta_> pre
Jun 19 17:21:30 <atlanta_> ?
Jun 19 17:21:44 <nebula> pulseaudio is the audio daemon
Jun 19 17:22:34 <atlanta_> oh o
Jun 19 17:22:40 <atlanta_> maybe you can tweak it
Jun 19 17:23:01 <oc80z> ugk
Jun 19 17:23:08 <oc80z> kernel panic
Jun 19 17:24:24 <twobitsprite> how'd you manage that?
Jun 19 17:24:57 <oc80z> i think my ssh session timed out, came home, and .bash_logout didnet execute ~/readable
Jun 19 17:25:13 <oc80z> so somthin lame happened
Jun 19 17:25:18 <oc80z> dunno
Jun 19 17:25:59 <oc80z> i should chkdisk
Jun 19 17:26:01 <oc80z> or no?
Jun 19 17:26:20 <oc80z> cant fsck a mounted drive right
Jun 19 17:26:41 <mdklein_> if it needs to fsck it will on boot
Jun 19 17:26:41 <atlanta_> nope
Jun 19 17:26:53 <oc80z> yeah ofc.
Jun 19 17:27:31 <jblebrun> sugardave: You should totally update the hello world wiki page, if you're so inclined :-)
Jun 19 17:28:15 <oc80z> im getting in /var/llog/messages, like, upstart errros pubsubservice..
Jun 19 17:28:48 <mdklein_> if you need to force it, create a file /forcefsck
Jun 19 17:28:50 <mdklein_> and reboot
Jun 19 17:29:04 <oc80z> ifelse, ruin the webos doctor..
Jun 19 17:29:08 <oc80z> er, run*
Jun 19 17:29:10 <mdklein_> yeah
Jun 19 17:29:26 <Cr4shOv3rid3> on this page http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas item 4.. that can be acomplished by hitting the mute button for the microphone twice with the headphones that come with the device... can that be cahnged by some one
Jun 19 17:29:31 <oc80z> that snot gunna break synergy i hope heh
Jun 19 17:29:35 <oc80z> fkn better not
Jun 19 17:30:00 <oc80z> predev.wiki said somthing about linked contacts...
Jun 19 17:30:23 <mdklein_> manually linked contacts are forgotten on a restore
Jun 19 17:30:36 <oc80z> damn yo
Jun 19 17:30:48 <oc80z> my phone would play the opening of metallicas ride the lightening
Jun 19 17:30:51 <oc80z> on notifications
Jun 19 17:30:54 <jblebrun> Time for someone to write a contact link restore feature ;-)
Jun 19 17:30:56 <oc80z> \m/
Jun 19 17:31:07 <Cr4shOv3rid3> any one here able to change the wiki?
Jun 19 17:31:08 <oc80z> gunna have to get paid to re-fix this at work tonight:P
Jun 19 17:31:18 <oc80z> i had rsync over wifi enabled too
Jun 19 17:31:20 <oc80z> with plink
Jun 19 17:31:22 <bsiegel> jblebrun: Hm, I hadnt thought of that but it should be stored in the database right? That is actually feasible
Jun 19 17:31:30 <oc80z> it was nice, but i mean. theres always sftp :]
Jun 19 17:31:39 <oc80z> *yawn*
Jun 19 17:31:42 <oc80z> so tired cant think
Jun 19 17:31:47 <oc80z> wahts up crash u need help w the wiki
Jun 19 17:32:59 <jblebrun> bsiegel: Yeah. I poked around a little in the PalmDatabase.db3 file. It should be possible to infer the fields that do the linking.
Jun 19 17:33:04 <Cr4shOv3rid3> on this page http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas item 4.. that can be acomplished by hitting the mute button for the microphone twice with the headphones that come with the device... can that be cahnged by someone?
Jun 19 17:33:29 <jblebrun> Cr4sh: I'll add a note to that page.
Jun 19 17:33:33 <Cr4shOv3rid3> ok thanks
Jun 19 17:33:38 <jblebrun> And add a "contact link backup" tweak idea.
Jun 19 17:33:48 <Cr4shOv3rid3> i have requested to be able to edit just have not goten it yet
Jun 19 17:33:52 <atlanta_> Thinking about calling in to get the airave today
Jun 19 17:34:07 <atlanta_> anyone have it
Jun 19 17:34:28 <Rick_> what is?
Jun 19 17:35:19 <Rick_> if you're going to work on linked contacts restore  http://predev.wikidot.com/dbdump is the place to start.
Jun 19 17:35:51 <oc80z> t/y crash
Jun 19 17:37:51 <Rick_> hmmm   dbdump.
Jun 19 17:37:57 <Rick_> manually merge two contacts
Jun 19 17:38:00 <Rick_> dbdump
Jun 19 17:38:02 <Rick_> diff
Jun 19 17:38:06 <Rick_> :-)
Jun 19 17:38:22 <konsoleX> wow just saw this: http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Jun 19 17:38:31 <Rick_> went up yesterday
Jun 19 17:38:31 <atlanta_> oh man i love palm
Jun 19 17:38:45 <Rick_> except for not releasing the sdk.....
Jun 19 17:38:56 <Rick_> and screwing up patches to busybox
Jun 19 17:39:06 <Rick_> and no generic plugins for mojo
Jun 19 17:39:11 <Rick_> yea, so do we.
Jun 19 17:39:49 <atlanta_> cant wait for the real sdk to come out
Jun 19 17:40:07 <atlanta_> nebula: is that where u got the pulse audio source
Jun 19 17:40:08 <atlanta_> ?
Jun 19 17:40:18 <nebula> atlanta_: yeah
Jun 19 17:40:29 <nebula> the big point is the patches
Jun 19 17:40:45 <nebula> i can hack the original source, include their patches, and... theoretically not break anything
Jun 19 17:40:59 <atlanta_> oh lalalal
Jun 19 17:41:06 <konsoleX> nebula: or hopefully fix something :)
Jun 19 17:41:09 <atlanta_> i like maybe enable caret browsing in webkit
Jun 19 17:41:27 <konsoleX> or filesystem access...
Jun 19 17:41:36 <Rick_> like maybey...  but since LunaSysMgr is custom, there's no source for that.  It's "closed."
Jun 19 17:41:38 <twobitsprite> atlanta_: yeah, that's what I'm looking in to
Jun 19 17:41:49 <atlanta_> coolio
Jun 19 17:42:08 <Rick_> fix something and submit the patches back to palm....
Jun 19 17:42:33 <nebula> the stuff i'm trying to patch is open source
Jun 19 17:42:46 <nebula> unless PmBtService is what actually sets the bitpool
Jun 19 17:42:50 <nebula> grr!
Jun 19 17:43:08 <nebula> _that_ is closed.
Jun 19 17:43:22 <atlanta_> do some patching on it
Jun 19 17:43:28 <atlanta_> arm/asm FTW
Jun 19 17:43:35 <nebula> yeah, don't know asm
Jun 19 17:43:39 <atlanta_> darn
Jun 19 17:43:52 <atlanta_> someone here does i seen them do something to the T word
Jun 19 17:45:25 <atlanta_> ok time to do some work here at work
Jun 19 17:45:27 <atlanta_> brb back later
Jun 19 17:45:41 <atlanta_> BBL**
Jun 19 17:48:29 <jblebrun> Oh, right. Work.
Jun 19 17:48:51 <Rick_> The cool part is, since we're wanting to WRITE mojo apps, this _is_ work for me.  :-)
Jun 19 17:49:29 <oc80z> iphone croud in boston at 7am were a bunch of emo pussy's
Jun 19 17:49:47 <oc80z> im like YEAH WHO WANTS TO GET AN IPHONE, bout to take a pic with the pre
Jun 19 17:49:49 <jblebrun> My colleague's new 3GS is sitting in the box on his desk waiting for him.
Jun 19 17:50:02 <jblebrun> I opened it up and put fingerprints on the screen and closed it back up.
Jun 19 17:50:04 <jblebrun> >:-)
Jun 19 17:50:29 <oc80z> im like who wants to be in the internet! all but 1 lame girl got all fearfull. she said 'i want to be on the internet!' what a dork
Jun 19 17:50:33 <oc80z> HAHA!
Jun 19 17:50:42 <Tilton53> XD
Jun 19 17:50:50 <Tilton53> Did you get her pic to post on the internet?
Jun 19 17:50:55 <Tilton53> Also funny as fuck
Jun 19 17:51:07 <Tilton53> lol jblebrun
Jun 19 17:51:11 <oc80z> yeh its in /media/internal
Jun 19 17:51:33 <oc80z> sucks me and my boy WebOSDoctor are gunna be hanging out at work
Jun 19 17:51:38 <oc80z> since the battery shit the bed
Jun 19 17:51:42 <oc80z> and its on the wall charger now
Jun 19 17:51:50 <jblebrun> The power profile of this thing confuses me.
Jun 19 17:51:51 <oc80z> im im.......... passing out! LATER!
Jun 19 17:52:21 <Tilton53> Anybody in here had their screen crack or come losse and wobbly from the rest of the pre?
Jun 19 17:52:23 <Tilton53> O.o
Jun 19 17:52:46 <jblebrun> I have heard people discussing loose slider issues
Jun 19 17:52:53 <Rick_> Timton53:  It's a reported problem.  Sprint will swap the phone no questions asked.
Jun 19 17:53:09 <Rick_> especially if your cracking is in the area around the led button
Jun 19 17:53:19 <Rick_> (which there is absolutely no reason ever to press.)
Jun 19 17:53:54 <Rick_> (It's that evil iphone habit. People press it to wake up the phone, nothing happens, theypress harder, and eventually break the screen.)
Jun 19 17:54:03 <jblebrun> That button was the biggest disappointment for me.
Jun 19 17:54:13 <jblebrun> I thought it would be a tracknipple
Jun 19 17:54:18 <Rick_> ahhhh.
Jun 19 17:54:21 <Rick_> that would have been nice.
Jun 19 17:55:15 <Tilton53> nice
Jun 19 17:55:18 <Tilton53> Just checking
Jun 19 17:55:28 <Tilton53> I am going to get one in the next month or so
Jun 19 17:55:38 <jblebrun> I've had great luck with mine.
Jun 19 17:55:44 <Tilton53> didn't want to get faulty hardware and have sprint be like "fuck you"
Jun 19 17:56:57 <Rick_> naaaa   mine's been perfect
Jun 19 17:57:13 <Rick_> wonder what "pixie" will be like...
Jun 19 17:57:18 <jerms> is there a way to add new shortcuts to the wave bar ?
Jun 19 17:57:36 <jerms> i want to put 'messaging' there
Jun 19 17:58:13 <Rick_> you can't add, you can swap, built in
Jun 19 17:58:28 <Rick_> wave bar only has four slots as programmed.
Jun 19 17:58:47 <jerms> darn
Jun 19 17:58:51 <jblebrun> jerms: You can drag items off, and drag other items on to replace them. The only one you can't replace is the launcher icon.
Jun 19 18:00:01 <jerms> sadly i cant figure out the gesture to drag items off
Jun 19 18:00:37 <jblebrun> jerms: Hold your finger on an item for a moment
Jun 19 18:00:48 <jblebrun> jerms: Until a bubble forms around it
Jun 19 18:01:00 <jerms> cool got it thanks
Jun 19 18:01:15 <jerms> i figure having the contacts button there is redundant due to universal search
Jun 19 18:01:54 <jblebrun> Is there an easy way to copy calendar events that I'm missing?
Jun 19 18:02:15 <jblebrun> I need to copy events off a private calendar and into my calendar so I can set alarms.
Jun 19 18:10:43 <sugardave> add a small section to the "hello world" page for simple steps to install your own application
Jun 19 18:10:47 <sugardave> addED
Jun 19 18:14:43 <jblebrun> sugardave: Looks good. What do you think of adding an "Orange + Sym + R" reminder next to the reboot option.
Jun 19 18:16:30 <Kaerey> hmm.. www.fark.com/fark.rss load that into the Pre Webbrowser
Jun 19 18:21:06 <sugardave> yeah?
Jun 19 18:22:57 <jblebrun> Kaerey: I see raw markup :-)
Jun 19 18:23:59 <sugardave> so this means what?  no RSS reader in the Pre browser?
Jun 19 18:24:11 <Kaerey> yeah it stripped the xml tags.
Jun 19 18:24:30 <Kaerey> I was thinking to myself.. how do I create an Rss reader app
Jun 19 18:24:53 <Kaerey> figured the browser would render things similarly to as if it was called in an ap
Jun 19 18:25:52 <Kaerey> and that's what I saw. So Now I'm looking for a way to parse an rss feed with javascript that might be able to convert an rss feed into something usable
Jun 19 18:26:08 <gaffo_work> Kaery: I thought there was an xml parser in prototype
Jun 19 18:26:22 <bsiegel> did you guys see http://pdnblog.palm.com/2009/06/an-update-on-the-early-access-program-and-the-sdk/
Jun 19 18:26:51 <Rick_> updated the appinfo.json section
Jun 19 18:27:05 <Rick_> of the hello worldpage
Jun 19 18:27:33 <gaffo_work> Kaerey: the simple would to just be able to take the rss xml and spit out the right divs in the "rss app"
Jun 19 18:27:57 <gaffo_work> Kaerey: next step would be to put them into the database and have that handle updating the screen.
Jun 19 18:28:31 <Kaerey> seems like it wouldn't be that complicated.
Jun 19 18:28:33 <Rick_> bsiegel:  So cool   Palm _did not denounce_ external experiments
Jun 19 18:28:48 <Rick_> ___AND___ pointed to the various dev community web sites as sources of information.
Jun 19 18:28:50 <Rick_> Good-oh
Jun 19 18:28:54 <gaffo_work> Kaerey, no, I think it'd be a good starter app
Jun 19 18:28:58 <gaffo_work> Rick_, that's cool
Jun 19 18:29:10 <Rick_> rss reader _is_ the starter app described in the O'Reilly book.
Jun 19 18:29:19 <Kaerey> Oh really.....
Jun 19 18:29:26 <gaffo_work> Rick_, yeah
Jun 19 18:29:29 <Rick_> really, they walk through it in pretty much gorey detail.
Jun 19 18:29:39 <gaffo_work> Rick_, doesn't mean I need to code it exactly that way :)
Jun 19 18:29:44 <Rick_> no, it doesn't
Jun 19 18:29:57 <Rick_> it means that even -they- suggest it's verystraightforward
Jun 19 18:30:37 <Rick_> Palm Blog: =>Beginning immediately, we’ll accelerate the growth of the early access program, expanding as quickly as resources allow. Over the next few weeks, the program will grow from hundreds to thousands of developers.
Jun 19 18:30:49 <nebula> niiice
Jun 19 18:30:56 <Kaerey> well then shoot .. I'll think of something else to play around with
Jun 19 18:31:41 <Rick_> Palm Blog =>Simultaneously, we’ll begin publishing more content outside the early access program, and we’ll launching new confidentiality rules that will allow early Mojo developers to communicate more freely with the rest of the world.
Jun 19 18:31:45 <gaffo_work> Kaerey: a baseball pitch counter :)
Jun 19 18:32:27 <Kaerey> <scacasm> I know how they can accelerate the growth <a href="http://www.palm.com/webOS-sdk.zip"> GOODIES HERE </a>
Jun 19 18:32:46 <no1leftypitcher> i am ssh'd in via wifi and I cannot make the root filesystem writeable
Jun 19 18:32:51 <no1leftypitcher> what am i doing wrong?
Jun 19 18:32:55 <Rick_> => Until you have the SDK, we encourage you to explore other public webOS resources, including the Rough Cuts edition of Mitch Allen’s upcoming book and the sites run by our great community of enthusiasts.
Jun 19 18:33:00 <Tilton53> are you root no1leftypitcher?
Jun 19 18:33:06 <Rick_> what are you typing?
Jun 19 18:33:08 <Tilton53> did you install su or sudo?
Jun 19 18:33:26 <Kaerey> gaffo: DAMN YOU!!! how did you know my baseball weakness. I'm wearing a Mantle Jersey right now
Jun 19 18:33:35 <no1leftypitcher> after logging in uder my name and password
Jun 19 18:33:42 <no1leftypitcher> i typed sudo su
Jun 19 18:33:46 <no1leftypitcher> ..then my password
Jun 19 18:34:06 <no1leftypitcher> now i am seeing this: root@castle:/#
Jun 19 18:34:14 <Rick_> ok
Jun 19 18:34:16 <Tilton53> k good
Jun 19 18:34:18 <no1leftypitcher> i type rootfs_open -w
Jun 19 18:34:35 <no1leftypitcher> sh: rootfs_open: not found
Jun 19 18:34:49 <gaffo_work> Kaerey, it'd be a simple starter app. You could expand it to score a game. :)
Jun 19 18:35:01 <Rick_> try mount -o remount,rw /
Jun 19 18:35:30 <no1leftypitcher> shit im retarded :)
Jun 19 18:35:47 <no1leftypitcher> much thanks
Jun 19 18:36:04 <Rick_> in linux there are 10,126 ways to do anything
Jun 19 18:36:13 <Kaerey> gaffo: I really like that idea, or a personal stats app that tracks your batting stats for like a softball league.
Jun 19 18:36:20 <no1leftypitcher> ha yea, so i've found
Jun 19 18:36:25 <no1leftypitcher> i am very new to it
Jun 19 18:36:29 <no1leftypitcher> (obviously)
Jun 19 18:37:31 <gaffo_work> Kaerey, that was one of the apps I wanted to build. It'd make you use the DB and a bunch of the other features.
Jun 19 18:40:50 <sugardave> I pointed this out to someone the other night, they had used 'su', but did not use 'su -' so root's environment was not getting set
Jun 19 18:40:55 <sugardave> so paths were screwed, etc.
Jun 19 18:46:11 <Kaerey> ok.. so another hypothesis... could we use the proximity sensors for turning off the screen during a call as a radar gun?
Jun 19 18:47:08 <Bouquet> Is there any info on how to control sound/vibrate per application?  I like my phone to vibrate when the switch is set to vibrate, but not my email, IM, or SMS.  Any hints?
Jun 19 18:47:11 <djk> Can someone add to the Camera Mod page that you can use the space bar to take a picture so the timer is good but there is an option
Jun 19 18:49:13 <djk> Bouquet: I think there needs to be setting page for the the ringer switch. Everyone has a little different take on it. I would like to have the whole phone be mute if it is on. Currently it can be embarrassing to have someone using your phone in a quiet place and suddenly start a video with sound.
Jun 19 18:52:22 <sloppyjm> HEy my phone has been randomly shuting down when id open it
Jun 19 18:52:42 <Kaerey> it's probably the battery issue. stick a piece of paper in it
Jun 19 18:52:44 <jblebrun> sloppyjm: That's a reported problem. It seems to be due to a slightly loose battery.
Jun 19 18:52:46 <sugardave> so...perusing the wiki...on the "hash codes" page, how do you use that?
Jun 19 18:53:04 <jblebrun> sugardave: Enter the hashcodes on the dialpad screen.
Jun 19 18:53:28 <sloppyjm> jbl: So i should just place paper between batter and back of the case
Jun 19 18:53:49 <Kaerey> no, it's the battery and the side like where the pull tab is It was on the precentral front page
Jun 19 18:53:59 <Bouquet> djk: so there's no hack for modifying the sound settings per application yet?
Jun 19 18:54:30 <Kaerey> Bouquet: I haven't got it to work yet
Jun 19 18:55:08 <sloppyjm> OK so just play folded paper at the topof batter i gotcha
Jun 19 18:55:25 <Bouquet> I'll poke around and see what I see.
Jun 19 18:55:46 <Kaerey> http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution
Jun 19 18:56:07 <Kaerey> sloppyjm that was for you
Jun 19 18:56:22 <sloppyjm> kk thanks kaerey
Jun 19 18:57:52 <djk> Bouquet: you want the ringer switch control and unique sounds? There is a hack of the notification sound but not tied to the switch
Jun 19 18:57:52 <djk> http://predev.wikidot.com/change-the-default-notification-wav-sound
Jun 19 18:58:12 <sloppyjm> ONe more question A little bit ago phone was saying phone off  and i diidnt have air mode or annythign on could that b bad?
Jun 19 18:58:41 <Bouquet> djk: what I want is all no sound/buzz except for the phone when switched to vibrate.
Jun 19 18:58:50 <youslippin> i need a lil help guys. i was reverting to the stock messaging app when I accidentally erased the backup and the modified listview-assistant.js and chatview-assistant.js
Jun 19 18:59:08 <Bouquet> djk: *all applications no sound/buzz
Jun 19 18:59:16 <djk> all
Jun 19 18:59:19 <djk> ah
Jun 19 18:59:44 <youslippin> can anybody help me out here? lol
Jun 19 18:59:44 <Bouquet> when I'm on-call over night I only respond to phone calls, not pages or emails :^)
Jun 19 18:59:58 <djk> applications like music, video still make sound but you want to include notifications other sounds
Jun 19 19:00:09 <Bouquet> and I get a ton of pages/emails that would keep me up if the phone buzzed all night!
Jun 19 19:00:11 <sloppyjm> youslipin
Jun 19 19:00:22 <youslippin> yo
Jun 19 19:00:24 <sloppyjm> theirs two things u can do
Jun 19 19:00:25 <djk> the opposite way gotcha
Jun 19 19:00:36 <Bouquet> djk: ya, I'm always the difficult one.
Jun 19 19:00:52 <sloppyjm> i could send you my file since its on ym phone or u can use the webos reinstaler that we got
Jun 19 19:01:09 <youslippin> can you send me yours? i dont really want to reinstall everything, ya kno?
Jun 19 19:01:41 <djk> well basically they need ringer switch settings page. You might like it to have a day and night mode setting in addition. I want it to include a quick all sounds off
Jun 19 19:02:16 <Bouquet> djk: I just noticed I can go to IMapp/Preferences and turn OFF play sounds.  That does it, but too many steps.
Jun 19 19:02:30 <djk> agree
Jun 19 19:02:48 <djk> and I still don't have the full mute
Jun 19 19:03:20 <Bouquet> djk: not without going into the app and turning off the sound, right?
Jun 19 19:03:23 <Kaerey> djk: go to Sounds and Alerts under "Ringer Switch On" there is a toggle for System Sounds.
Jun 19 19:06:32 <djk> Kaerey: That doesn't mute ALL possible apps. Just tried it and live tv still plays
Jun 19 19:07:15 <Kaerey> oh sorry thought you wanted to be able to do that.
Jun 19 19:08:04 <djk> no I want the ringer switch to be a complete mute switch like the Treo. That way I know when it is on the phone will only vibrate and no chance of making any sound
Jun 19 19:09:17 <mikewx> yeah, that switch should mute anything that's not aimed at teh headphone jacl
Jun 19 19:09:17 <mikewx> k
Jun 19 19:10:08 <mikewx> last think i need in a meeting is super mario theme playing in my pocket
Jun 19 19:10:21 <sugardave> can anybody think of a reason why I can ssh via putty, can scp from cygwin, but can't use WinSCP?  Getting weird error about making sure scp is on the server and in PATH
Jun 19 19:10:31 <djk> mikewx: right or better if switched on all sounds go to the headphone
Jun 19 19:10:58 <mikewx> yeah djk that would be awesome
Jun 19 19:11:31 <destinal2> how do you force a webos doctor restore?
Jun 19 19:11:47 <mikewx> i get to remote-erase my phone in 2 hours! :P
Jun 19 19:11:50 <djk> sugardave: same problem with filezilla
Jun 19 19:12:45 <twobitsprite> mikewx: why for?
Jun 19 19:13:03 <mikewx> returning it to sprint store for replacement at 4:30, and want to see how the remote erase works
Jun 19 19:13:16 <mikewx> can't think of a better time, since they arleady have a new one tagged for me
Jun 19 19:14:29 * twobitsprite has kicked stuffed (i=d8f01e17@gateway/web/freenode/x-7ca893e8a6c8faf5) from #webos-internals.
Jun 19 19:15:13 <djk> mikewx: let us know how it works out
Jun 19 19:15:32 <mikewx> willdo
Jun 19 19:16:08 <mikewx> i'm hoping for better reception with new pre, but i've been told that it may not help me. but at least i'll have a shot at fewer stuck on neon green pixels
Jun 19 19:17:09 <djk> how is your case does it have the twist that some do? mine does
Jun 19 19:17:26 <mikewx> the twist? sorry, i've been remiss in reading forums in a while
Jun 19 19:17:47 <Kaerey> mikewx be sure to update your network settings and PRL
Jun 19 19:18:28 <djk> what those be and why update them?
Jun 19 19:18:46 <Kaerey> dialer > preferences > "Update Network Settings" and "Update PRL"
Jun 19 19:18:48 <djk> mikewx: the slide twists a bit
Jun 19 19:19:18 <twobitsprite> djk: you mean, rotates a bit when you push on the corners of the top part?
Jun 19 19:19:29 <sugardave> ah, just add /opt/bin to PATH in /etc/profile....piece of cake
Jun 19 19:19:39 <mikewx> yeah it twists a little bit
Jun 19 19:19:42 <Kaerey> Not sure what "network settings" are getting updated  but the PRL is the Perferred roaming list and tells your phone where to look for towers
Jun 19 19:19:45 <sugardave> now to get rid of this annoying 'groups' error
Jun 19 19:19:46 <mikewx> not really sure i ever notied it until i just tried
Jun 19 19:20:09 <PullingJ> network settings are visible under ##DATA# from the dialer
Jun 19 19:20:34 <mikewx> i ordered 8 microusb cables today. i'll have pre hookups everywhere!
Jun 19 19:21:00 <Kaerey> LOL
Jun 19 19:21:14 <mikewx> i did the networ settings and prl update, it did help my pre reception a little bit
Jun 19 19:21:14 <destinal2> does the triangle / ROM URL have to be up for the webos doctor to work?  my phone is only somewhat broken and I can't get it to restore, started the doctor and plugged it in but webOS is running ok so I can't figure out how to get it into the right state
Jun 19 19:21:45 <Kaerey> destinal: are you at a point where it says connect the phone and hit next and you can't hit next?
Jun 19 19:21:51 <destinal2> yes
Jun 19 19:22:02 <djk> twobitsprite: yes and when it open. My wife's pre doesn't
Jun 19 19:22:10 <Kaerey> unplug your phone, as you plug in the cable to the phone hold the UP Volume Button
Jun 19 19:23:09 <Kaerey> I should have prefaced that with, turn your device off hold the up arrow and plug in the cable to the phone
Jun 19 19:23:11 <sloppyjm> eVERYTIME I TRY TO DELEATE FILES OFF MY PHONE MY COMPUTERS EXPLORER FUCKLS
Jun 19 19:23:15 <sloppyjm> srry for the caps
Jun 19 19:23:17 <destinal2> ah, ok
Jun 19 19:26:01 <twobitsprite> djk: hmm... yeah, mine does a slight twist
Jun 19 19:26:29 <destinal_> it found OMAP hardware but I have no windows driver for that and then it started up..  odd
Jun 19 19:27:55 <Wonder420> Question: can anybody think of a way to trigger the camera to take a picture by an SSH command?
Jun 19 19:30:22 <Rick_> Wonder...  why?
Jun 19 19:34:42 <jblebrun> split?
Jun 19 19:35:01 <jblebrun> unsplit
Jun 19 19:36:09 <djk> anyone know where the imap setting are stored? I have a problem sending mail when imap is used. The send auth is not working
Jun 19 19:38:08 <jblebrun> djk: somewhere in a database in /var most likely
Jun 19 19:38:33 <jblebrun> djk: try grepping around for your IMAP server name
Jun 19 19:39:40 <destinal_> wow, doctor restore is sloooooow
Jun 19 19:40:01 <mikeDOTd> they warn that it can take an hour IIRC
Jun 19 19:40:51 * destinal_ guards the connected USB cable with his life  :)
Jun 19 19:41:10 <jblebrun> *yank*
Jun 19 19:41:17 <destinal_> aaaaaagggh
Jun 19 19:41:18 <mikewx> ok, fwiw monoprice has 1' microusb cables for ike $0.88 :)
Jun 19 19:41:23 <destinal_> :)
Jun 19 19:41:41 <destinal_> mikewx: nice find
Jun 19 19:41:49 <destinal_> I need an even dozen :)
Jun 19 19:41:50 <Rick_> Why does palm and sprint warn that non-palm usb cables may not work/be evil?
Jun 19 19:41:54 <mikewx> yeah
Jun 19 19:42:07 <Rick_> has anyone checked out the wiring of the palm provided cable?
Jun 19 19:42:28 <mikewx> they don't wrok to line their pocketbooks. and honestly, they are a better quality. but i'm still not paying $30 for a new cable
Jun 19 19:43:05 <destinal_> yeah, long cables with poor quality may result in attenuation and maybe data loss during a precious restore which would brick your phone
Jun 19 19:43:20 <destinal_> but for 1', USB is USB
Jun 19 19:43:24 <mikewx> they probably ship a $5 usb cable, it'll last longer to bending etc, it will be more reliable over long distances and probably less receptive to interference
Jun 19 19:44:04 <jblebrun> Wow, 10 cables overnight for 13.25
Jun 19 19:44:23 <jblebrun> overnight is actually less and 2-3 day. weird.
Jun 19 19:44:30 <mikewx> kinda like monster cables. they are really better, tehy're better quality in every way. but the real question is does it matter? and the answer (with monster cable anyway) is almost always "No."
Jun 19 19:45:44 <Lurking_Grue> Mike: like hdmi cables at 6 feet there will be no difference.
Jun 19 19:45:55 <Bouquet> mikewx: in almost all cases it doesn't matter.  If you plug a guitar through a tube distortion pedal with a low quality cable you'll pick up every stray radio signal in the universe.  A good shielded cable (like monster or others) makes a big difference there.
Jun 19 19:46:04 <mikewx> very true
Jun 19 19:46:07 <Bouquet> total threadjack.
Jun 19 19:46:10 <mikewx> indeed :)
Jun 19 19:46:19 <Bouquet> PRE PRE PRE PRE
Jun 19 19:46:26 <mikewx> POST POST POST POST
Jun 19 19:46:57 <mikewx> my corp verizon rep didn't like it when he told me he could hve me a pre in january and i responded that by then it would be called the a Post
Jun 19 19:47:25 <Lurking_Grue> Coming soon The Palm Post.
Jun 19 19:47:35 <mikewx> it's teh at&t version!
Jun 19 19:47:42 <mikewx> i bet we could start a helluva rumor
Jun 19 19:48:29 <destinal_> lol post
Jun 19 19:51:55 <Bouquet> I got a guy to cancel his iPhone 3 order after I showed him my pre.
Jun 19 19:52:15 <bkuberek> I ould do the same
Jun 19 19:52:16 <djk> We new big news to push Apple off the headlines ;-)\
Jun 19 19:52:24 <destinal_> pre = iphone +
Jun 19 19:52:47 <en0x> hehe
Jun 19 19:53:01 <en0x> the best was with that guy who was camping for iphone for his friend
Jun 19 19:53:26 <destinal_> palm went even farther than apple with the gestures, the card thing (and, well, multitasking at all) is brilliant
Jun 19 19:53:34 <djk> need a hacker for a console/ssh client on the phone, java plugin
Jun 19 19:56:09 <dkelson> MirrorManager ticket filed -- https://fedorahosted.org/mirrormanager/ticket/13
Jun 19 19:56:23 <mrjcarter> anybody know where the image files for battery icon are located? I'd like to see if I can make it stay colored. (green>yellow>orange>red)
Jun 19 19:59:00 <dkelson> nm wrong channel
Jun 19 19:59:15 <destinal_> ok, was wondering. ;)
Jun 19 20:00:46 <jblebrun> gah
Jun 19 20:00:54 <jblebrun> dbus introspection doesn't seem to work
Jun 19 20:02:24 <sloppyjm> i need help
Jun 19 20:02:52 <djk1> sloppyjm: that has a temping repsonse :-P
Jun 19 20:02:57 <djk1> what is the problem
Jun 19 20:04:19 <gaffo_work> what's the newb help channel?
Jun 19 20:04:27 <Wonder420> Question: can anybody think of a way to trigger the camera to take a picture by an SSH command?
Jun 19 20:04:35 <jblebrun> gaffo_work: #preguides
Jun 19 20:04:41 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Using dbus, maybe
Jun 19 20:04:51 <gaffo_work> jblebrun, thanks!
Jun 19 20:04:57 <jblebrun> Wonder420: run dbus-util --capture    and then take a pic
Jun 19 20:05:19 <Wonder420> in SSH?
Jun 19 20:05:19 <Wizard_> Is there like a beginners channel?
Jun 19 20:05:43 <jblebrun> Wiz: #preguides
Jun 19 20:05:48 <jblebrun> Wonder420: yes
Jun 19 20:06:00 <sloppyjm> ok dj  the adding a new card to messaging it says to comment out 2 lines but i did thjat and i canto acces  annything
Jun 19 20:06:00 <Wonder420> !!!! YOU ARE AWESOME if this works
Jun 19 20:06:12 <Wonder420> I have been looking all night/day for a solution
Jun 19 20:06:15 <Wonder420> ima go test:  brb
Jun 19 20:06:16 <Wizard_> thanks
Jun 19 20:06:43 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Well, it's just a start.
Jun 19 20:06:48 <Lurking_Grue> Comment on the plam dev story today on engadget made me snort soda up my nose: "I'm so shocked the hypocritical Apple Fanbois are calling this a death wish for Palm. I think Palm users can do without their farting apps until the end of summer."
Jun 19 20:07:01 <Rick_> batteryimages are in \usr\lib\luna\system\luna-systemui\images
Jun 19 20:07:08 <Wonder420> i have SSH / SFTP installed --- as well as DynDNS updater, and SSH over EVDO
Jun 19 20:07:16 <jblebrun> Wonder420: It looks like the process of "taking a picture" is a bit involved...
Jun 19 20:07:26 <Wonder420> I want to be able to force the Pre to take a snapshot, and be able to get the picture back to my PC
Jun 19 20:07:38 <Wonder420> im looking for literally a "snap a pic" command
Jun 19 20:07:47 <jblebrun> Wonder420: http://webos.pastebin.com/m3efc61c3
Jun 19 20:07:48 <Wonder420> I kinda figured out how to trigger it via TXT message
Jun 19 20:07:54 <Wonder420> but Im looking for SSH command for it
Jun 19 20:08:15 <jblebrun> Wonder420: How are you doing it via txt?
Jun 19 20:08:36 <sloppyjm> lets make a fuckign farting app
Jun 19 20:08:44 <twobitsprite> what's that task you kill to refresh things after you modify them?
Jun 19 20:08:51 <twobitsprite> LunaSysMgr?
Jun 19 20:08:55 <Rick_> pkill LunaSysMgr
Jun 19 20:09:05 <twobitsprite> yes, I guessed right :), thanks
Jun 19 20:09:10 <sugardave> will pkill cause it to relaunch, as well?
Jun 19 20:09:13 * Lurking_Grue is tempted to make a fart app.
Jun 19 20:09:26 <Wonder420> look at the page for Tracking http://predev.wikidot.com/tracking  - it has the scripts needed for TXT command execution
Jun 19 20:09:37 <twobitsprite> sugardave: well... the init system will restart it when it sees it die
Jun 19 20:09:54 <twobitsprite> Lurking_Grue: please don't turn the Pre into an iPhone with all the stupid apps...
Jun 19 20:09:58 <Rick_> yes, it auto-re-launces. --pulsing palm comes right up
Jun 19 20:10:22 <sugardave> nice
Jun 19 20:10:23 <Rick_> yes Wonder it does, but then how do you execute a camera capture from that?
Jun 19 20:10:31 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Ehhh, not quite :-) It's a hack that just looks for a special string in all the text messages you've ever received.
Jun 19 20:10:33 <Lurking_Grue> I wont but there is that temptation to "Show them." ;)
Jun 19 20:10:44 <sloppyjm> ahhahah
Jun 19 20:10:47 <Wonder420> but, if it finds that special string, it will execute a command
Jun 19 20:10:50 <djk1> sloppyjm: did you do both the ones around line 27 and 119
Jun 19 20:10:53 <Wonder420> thats close to a fix
Jun 19 20:11:02 <Wonder420> is there anywhere to execute a script remotely via SSH?
Jun 19 20:11:13 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Well, sort of. But the act of taking a picture involves a number of steps (http://webos.pastebin.com/m3efc61c3)
Jun 19 20:11:29 <Wonder420> that link didnt bring anything up for me
Jun 19 20:11:40 <sugardave> ssh should take a command as a parameter and execut that instead of logging you into a remote shell
Jun 19 20:11:42 <twobitsprite> works for me
Jun 19 20:12:01 <Wonder420> http://www.webos.pastebin.com/m3efc61c3
Jun 19 20:12:04 <Wonder420> haha
Jun 19 20:12:11 <twobitsprite> I'm trying to think of a "legitimate request" to get on the expanded SDK beta
Jun 19 20:12:12 <Wonder420> www my problem?
Jun 19 20:12:14 <jblebrun> Yes
Jun 19 20:12:34 <Wonder420> score
Jun 19 20:12:39 <sugardave> twobitsprite: geocaching app, that's what I want to work on
Jun 19 20:13:16 <mikewx> i've had my request in for 6 months. not heard so much as crickets chirping
Jun 19 20:13:25 <twobitsprite> so.... if you get on the SDK thing, and you sign the NDA... would that preclude you from publishing stuff on the wiki or forums, etc?
Jun 19 20:13:40 <Wonder420> jblerun:  with those commands, you think we can get the Pre to take some small, low res pics on command through SSH?
Jun 19 20:13:42 <sugardave> anything that was Palm's code, you couldn't post
Jun 19 20:13:43 <sugardave> I think
Jun 19 20:13:43 <twobitsprite> i.e., would it essentially bar you from the sort of "hacking" stuff we're doing now?
Jun 19 20:14:14 <jblebrun> twobitsprite: It only prevents you from publishing things that couldn't have been figured out another way.
Jun 19 20:14:22 <twobitsprite> ok, good
Jun 19 20:15:05 <twobitsprite> jblebrun: wait... is that ASM in that link you posted?
Jun 19 20:15:36 <twobitsprite> er... maybe strace output?
Jun 19 20:15:41 <jblebrun> twobitsprite: No, it's the output of dbus-util --capture
Jun 19 20:15:47 <twobitsprite> ahh
Jun 19 20:18:11 <Wonder420> error: unable to connect to public bus
Jun 19 20:18:41 <Wonder420> what is the dbus-util command do?
Jun 19 20:19:14 <mikewx> v1.0.3 is officially out~
Jun 19 20:19:36 <twobitsprite> ... I don't see an update...
Jun 19 20:19:59 <mikewx> it's in my update app
Jun 19 20:20:11 <mikewx> 13mb
Jun 19 20:20:17 <mikewx> i'm downloading it nwo
Jun 19 20:20:25 <Wonder420> jblebrun: what does dbus-util do?
Jun 19 20:20:29 <mikewx> i figure i can play since i'm turning in my phone in an hour anyway
Jun 19 20:20:30 <twobitsprite> waddaya know... I just didn't get an alert...
Jun 19 20:20:46 <mikewx> i didn't either, i got an im
Jun 19 20:21:10 <Exstatica> new webos released
Jun 19 20:21:13 <Exstatica> just got it
Jun 19 20:21:15 <Exstatica> 1.0.3
Jun 19 20:21:19 <Exstatica> woot
Jun 19 20:21:20 <Wonder420> Question: can anybody think of a way to trigger the camera to take a picture by an SSH command?
Jun 19 20:21:25 <Exstatica> phone is rebooting
Jun 19 20:21:28 <PullingJ> well, time to start dissecting the update then.  has anyone managed to get a copy of the 1.0.2 update to check out what i actually updated
Jun 19 20:21:31 <djk1> what does 1.0.3 do
Jun 19 20:21:38 <mikewx> i'm lookin for release notes now
Jun 19 20:21:58 <PullingJ> where did it download to? i want to save the update file
Jun 19 20:22:02 <twobitsprite> any idea if there are release notes anywhere?
Jun 19 20:22:32 <jblebrun> Release notes for what?
Jun 19 20:22:38 <twobitsprite> you can probably find the new ROM in the usual place
Jun 19 20:22:38 <PullingJ> 1.0.3
Jun 19 20:22:39 <jblebrun> Oh
Jun 19 20:22:43 <jblebrun> Sorry
Jun 19 20:22:50 <jblebrun> *learns to read back*
Jun 19 20:23:29 <djk1> living on the edge here goes nothing
Jun 19 20:23:39 <psykoz> hehe
Jun 19 20:23:57 <psykoz> My update program still doesn't run ;)  I must have done a good job not allowing it to execute *grins*
Jun 19 20:23:59 <PullingJ> a process called DownloadUpdate is doing the download
Jun 19 20:24:00 <Wonder420> is there a way to execute /com/palm/media/m_CaptureStart  via SSH?
Jun 19 20:24:13 <Exstatica> it updated pretty quick
Jun 19 20:24:32 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Yes, use luna-send
Jun 19 20:24:51 <Wonder420> can you give me verbatim on that command?
Jun 19 20:24:58 <Wonder420> i am not too slick with terminals yet
Jun 19 20:25:45 <Wonder420> how would you type that into PuTTY with root access?
Jun 19 20:26:22 <Exstatica> lets see if it took off my ssh
Jun 19 20:26:22 <mikewx> "Do not remove the battery."
Jun 19 20:26:39 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Check out the tracking app
Jun 19 20:27:16 <Wonder420> i have it --- i like it, its close to the theory, but its triggered through TXT rather than SSH
Jun 19 20:27:22 <Wonder420> still effective ---
Jun 19 20:27:42 <mikewx> rebooting~
Jun 19 20:28:03 <Wonder420> Im sure the tracking app is modifiable to execute Camera snap rather than Email
Jun 19 20:28:15 <Wonder420> i just don't know how :)
Jun 19 20:28:26 <Wonder420> but I'd rather find a way to SSH it
Jun 19 20:28:46 <djk1> update done
Jun 19 20:28:55 <Wonder420> I am trying to make a script/app that will auto-upload Camera shots on demand
Jun 19 20:28:57 <Exstatica> andrew@castle:~$ uname -a
Jun 19 20:28:57 <Exstatica> Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.15 armv7l unknown
Jun 19 20:28:58 <Exstatica> andrew@castle:~$
Jun 19 20:29:03 <Exstatica> ssh still works
Jun 19 20:29:05 <bkuberek> when is update 1.0.3 gonna be out?
Jun 19 20:29:08 <Exstatica> the update didn't screw it up
Jun 19 20:29:09 <Kaerey> ok I downloaded theupdate to 1.0.3 while connected with winSCP> Where do we think it downloads to
Jun 19 20:29:11 <PullingJ> you got a mobitv app now?
Jun 19 20:29:12 <Exstatica> bkuberek: its already out
Jun 19 20:29:43 <mikewx> update complete
Jun 19 20:29:45 <jblebrun> Wonder420: If you figure out how to do it in the tracking app, you'll be able to do it via ssh.
Jun 19 20:29:46 <PullingJ> because /var/lib/update/mobitv-sprint-rtspsrc.ipk
Jun 19 20:29:46 <PullingJ>  just got downloaded
Jun 19 20:30:06 <twobitsprite> hmm... I was hoping for a "welcome to the new version. see what's new in this release..." instead it just says "done." essentially
Jun 19 20:30:16 <bkuberek> cool
Jun 19 20:30:18 <Wonder420> ? how does one execute a command via SSH?
Jun 19 20:30:26 <twobitsprite> any idea where to find release notes?
Jun 19 20:30:31 <psykoz> wonder420, I didn't even waste my time, I just create mailboxes for photos I want to put in my gallery (a mailbox for each gallery) and then I use Perl to fetch email and then extract attachments to the proper gallery folder
Jun 19 20:30:36 <sugardave> not sure if mine has updated yet....
Jun 19 20:30:37 <bkuberek> O checked for updates this morning and nothing. Do you know what 1.0.3 does?
Jun 19 20:30:53 <twobitsprite> sugardave: you would know... it's not a background process
Jun 19 20:30:58 <mikewx> devmode/novaproxy/putty still works
Jun 19 20:31:10 <Wonder420> psykoz -- i want to force the Pre to take a picture, then I want to download it
Jun 19 20:31:13 <twobitsprite> bkuberek: it _just now_ came through... we're still looking for changes
Jun 19 20:31:20 <Wonder420> or set the pre to auto-shoot
Jun 19 20:31:33 <djbclark> Has anyone successfully built the pre's linux from scratch yet? I'm thinking building that plus http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/VirtualFramebuffer might be the best way to allow switching between directfb applications and the normal phone GUI. Also I should be able to get the dfbterm wiki page up tonight :)
Jun 19 20:31:38 <bkuberek> is there a way to download the update to my computer instead of the phone?
Jun 19 20:31:38 <Wonder420> so if im ever in a riot, my phone will take pictures and upload them automatically in case my phone get taken
Jun 19 20:31:55 <PullingJ> this appears to be a complete list of what just downloaded http://webos.pastebin.com/d36b93f41
Jun 19 20:32:12 <mikeDOTd> if i'm ever in a riot, i won't be bringing my pre
Jun 19 20:32:22 <PullingJ> root@castle:/var/lib/update# du -s .
Jun 19 20:32:22 <PullingJ> 12888   .
Jun 19 20:32:41 <PullingJ> i'm curious if anyone who has finished the update has a mobitv app now
Jun 19 20:32:47 <Wonder420> lol check out Youtube --- people with phones in riots are the only threat to armored police
Jun 19 20:32:55 <djk1> humm ssh not working
Jun 19 20:33:21 <Exstatica> mine is
Jun 19 20:33:26 <Exstatica> it just worked
Jun 19 20:33:27 <Wonder420> what is dbus-util for?
Jun 19 20:33:44 <jblebrun> Wonder420: It's for finding out information about services which use dbus for communication
Jun 19 20:34:15 <mdklein_> interesting update
Jun 19 20:34:25 <Wonder420> ahh --- I don't think the camera functions though dbus
Jun 19 20:34:31 <Wonder420> or am I way wrong?\
Jun 19 20:34:35 <cphelps> is anyone here already working on enabling downloading of known mime types in the browser app?
Jun 19 20:34:38 <PullingJ> how do you unpack an .ipk?  tar.gz?
Jun 19 20:34:49 <mdklein_> ar -x and then tar the data.tar.gz
Jun 19 20:35:04 <bkuberek> tar xvzf filename
Jun 19 20:35:24 <PullingJ> invalid gzip magic
Jun 19 20:36:10 <Exstatica> gonna see if i can get a diff
Jun 19 20:36:13 <Exstatica> to find out what changed
Jun 19 20:36:16 <mikewx> good plan
Jun 19 20:36:25 <PullingJ> exstatcia see: http://webos.pastebin.com/d36b93f41
Jun 19 20:36:33 <PullingJ> that's the 13mb i downloaded
Jun 19 20:37:06 <Darth_Pooh> Pre = fail. imo of course.
Jun 19 20:37:08 <Exstatica> yeah
Jun 19 20:37:22 <Exstatica> i already posted the changes on the forums, i'm gonna grab up as much as possible and see if i can diff this
Jun 19 20:37:48 <Darth_Pooh> I believe I am going to go out and purchase the GS in an hour.
Jun 19 20:38:04 <PullingJ> yay you
Jun 19 20:38:04 <bpadalino|work> nice phone
Jun 19 20:38:20 <Exstatica> palm is going to release the changes soon
Jun 19 20:38:23 <Exstatica> http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=webossoftware&thread.id=2813
Jun 19 20:38:28 <cphelps> Darth_Pooh: I don't see how that is constructive on the Pre hacking channel
Jun 19 20:38:29 <PullingJ> i'm sure someone on iphone3gs-internals cares
Jun 19 20:38:48 <twobitsprite> Darth_Pooh: so, you come in here to pick a fight or something?
Jun 19 20:38:56 <jblebrun> Darth_Pooh: The Pre is amazing. The iPhone is also nice. Stop being a douchebag.
Jun 19 20:39:08 <Wonder420> any admins from predev.wikidot.com here?
Jun 19 20:39:11 <djk1> stop giving him attention
Jun 19 20:39:13 <Darth_Pooh> i've been in here talking to various people... i'm not a newb to this shit.
Jun 19 20:39:36 <jblebrun> djk1: Yeah, my bad ;-)
Jun 19 20:39:37 <Darth_Pooh> I am all rooted up...
Jun 19 20:39:46 <twobitsprite> noob or not, doesn't mean you need to come in to an enthousiests channel and make vague platitutes about the quality of the subject in question
Jun 19 20:39:46 <Darth_Pooh> if I were a troll you'd know it.
Jun 19 20:40:11 <djk1> bummer something happened that stopped my ssh access after the update
Jun 19 20:40:21 <djk1> did someone say they saw a new app?
Jun 19 20:40:31 <Darth_Pooh> twobtsprite, hi, i'm the english language, thanks for murdering me.
Jun 19 20:40:45 <mdklein_> well I unpacked all the /var/lib/update/*.ipks now to poke around inside them
Jun 19 20:40:55 <PullingJ> djk1: /var/lib/update/mobitv-sprint-rtspsrc.ipk
Jun 19 20:40:55 <PullingJ>  is one of the downloads
Jun 19 20:41:02 <jblebrun> LOL: 179880 Jun 19 13:25 sweatshop-sprint-castle.ipk
Jun 19 20:41:23 <djk1> I don't see new icons
Jun 19 20:41:31 <Darth_Pooh> anyone have a changelog for 1.0.3?
Jun 19 20:41:38 <gaffo_work> they're still posting it
Jun 19 20:41:41 <djk1> isn't posted yet
Jun 19 20:41:46 <Darth_Pooh> kk...
Jun 19 20:41:51 <gaffo_work> read Exstatica 's post from above
Jun 19 20:41:53 <cphelps> The 1.0.3 update did not kill my swipe-to-activate menu or the New/Delete page hacks for Launcher
Jun 19 20:42:01 <mikewx> didn't kill call duration either
Jun 19 20:42:05 <Kaerey> or my notification selection mod
Jun 19 20:42:05 <Darth_Pooh> how about your notification.wav?
Jun 19 20:42:14 <mikewx> even though the phone app was in the update list
Jun 19 20:42:18 <Darth_Pooh> interesting...
Jun 19 20:42:19 <twobitsprite> cphelps: swipe-to-activate?
Jun 19 20:42:27 <Darth_Pooh> drag down from launcher mod
Jun 19 20:42:38 <cphelps> twobitsprite: instead of just the tap
Jun 19 20:42:53 <cphelps> twobitsprite: it's posted on the wiki
Jun 19 20:42:53 <sloppyjm> so from what we know whats net to the new os
Jun 19 20:43:02 <PullingJ> ok, how do you unpack the .ipk ?
Jun 19 20:43:21 <mrjcarter> killed the kill camera shutter sound
Jun 19 20:43:37 <jblebrun> mikewx: Call duration is modded via a prefs setting, so that would make sense
Jun 19 20:43:44 <twobitsprite> cphelps: I'm having trouble finding it, mind linking me?
Jun 19 20:44:00 <cphelps> twobitsprite: sure, one sec
Jun 19 20:44:08 <mikewx> jblebrun: doh, i forgot that
Jun 19 20:44:31 <Darth_Pooh> http://predev.wikidot.com/drag-menus
Jun 19 20:44:48 <KManATL> info is up on palm kb
Jun 19 20:44:49 <KManATL> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103
Jun 19 20:44:49 <Darth_Pooh> oh but I'm a troll
Jun 19 20:45:15 <Wonder420> anyone here a member, can you send me an invite?
Jun 19 20:45:38 <Darth_Pooh> Power performance in areas where wireless coverage is sporadic or unavailable has been enhanced.
Jun 19 20:45:38 <mikewx> The sync interval for Google events has been decreased from every few hours to every 15 minutes.
Jun 19 20:45:40 <Wonder420> I want to post some stuff I found to a WiKi on getting this camera to remote-snap
Jun 19 20:45:41 <Darth_Pooh> interesting
Jun 19 20:45:48 <mikewx> that should do wonders for batteryl ife :)
Jun 19 20:45:59 <KManATL> pretty small stuff, seems to me
Jun 19 20:46:12 <mdklein_> I'm kind of confused why directfb was updated in 1.0.3
Jun 19 20:46:14 <Darth_Pooh> mikewx, i think the power performance should make things more gooder
Jun 19 20:46:22 <mdklein_> nothing on that change log seems to have anything to do with that
Jun 19 20:46:28 <mikewx> i hope so
Jun 19 20:46:58 <mikewx> teh words "miscellaneous updates" should be banned from release notes
Jun 19 20:47:03 <cphelps> twobitsprite: http://predev.wikidot.com/drag-menus
Jun 19 20:47:34 <Wonder420> anyone here a member, can you send me an invite dor pre.deb.wiki?
Jun 19 20:48:00 <sloppyjm> i need help reinstalling the os and yeah
Jun 19 20:48:08 <PullingJ> Wonder420: it's public access?
Jun 19 20:48:21 <PullingJ> url in the topic
Jun 19 20:48:41 <Wonder420> no, I registered, says I can't post/edit a page until I am a member
Jun 19 20:48:41 * cphelps confirming also that SSH came back up eventually
Jun 19 20:49:40 <jblebrun> The drag menus are a huge improvement.
Jun 19 20:49:45 <mdklein_> ok, directfb was updated, but no other updated package references it (other than base-files.ipk, and that's just in the ld.so.cache)
Jun 19 20:50:03 <PullingJ> navigation was updated
Jun 19 20:50:16 <PullingJ> mobitv package is gstreamer
Jun 19 20:50:26 <Rick_> 13 meg   for the listed changes, there's got to be a LOT of "miscellanius
Jun 19 20:50:27 <j0sh> are there official release notes for 103?
Jun 19 20:50:33 <mikewx> http://is.gd/16Cuw
Jun 19 20:50:39 <mikewx> j0sh: that link
Jun 19 20:50:51 <PullingJ> sweatshop is a bnuch of luna customizations including browser bookmark thumbnails
Jun 19 20:50:51 <Darth_Pooh> hmmm
Jun 19 20:50:54 <Rick_> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103
Jun 19 20:50:59 <Darth_Pooh> com.motionapps.service.classic was modified....
Jun 19 20:51:29 <Wonder420> is there a way to execute a Mojo app via- SSH?
Jun 19 20:51:31 <j0sh> Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported
Jun 19 20:51:31 <j0sh> Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported
Jun 19 20:51:32 <j0sh> Non-SSL Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) mail servers are now supported
Jun 19 20:51:44 <mdklein_> mobitv-sprint-rtspsrc.ipk-unpack/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmobirtspsrc.so <-- that's the entirety of the mobitv package
Jun 19 20:51:46 <j0sh> i must restrain my happiness
Jun 19 20:51:49 <j0sh> somehow
Jun 19 20:51:49 <Wonder420> I figured out how to write an APP to immediatly trigger camera snaps --- using the Hello World instructions
Jun 19 20:51:50 <sugardave> so nice, he had to say it thrice!
Jun 19 20:51:54 <d3sm0nd> http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Jun 19 20:51:55 <d3sm0nd> ...
Jun 19 20:51:56 <mikewx> restrain your pasting :)
Jun 19 20:52:00 <j0sh> well
Jun 19 20:52:02 <Wonder420> if I can find out how to remotely execute this app, i will have win
Jun 19 20:52:04 <j0sh> i only pasted once
Jun 19 20:52:06 <gaffo_work> j0sh, I'd rather that they got the dual hostnames on a cert thing working
Jun 19 20:52:09 <j0sh> to be technical
Jun 19 20:52:13 <j0sh> yeah
Jun 19 20:52:15 <j0sh> thatd be nice too
Jun 19 20:52:19 <shaya> anyone reverse engineer the update?
Jun 19 20:52:36 <jblebrun> Has anyone run diffs?
Jun 19 20:52:41 <mikewx> i'd rather see them fix the ssl certs in general. /me checks his smtp/pop3
Jun 19 20:52:43 <Darth_Pooh> broke custom phone backgrounds
Jun 19 20:52:56 <bkuberek> Nothing changed on Pre after the Update to 1.0.3
Jun 19 20:53:09 <jblebrun> web downloads still don't work
Jun 19 20:53:34 <bkuberek> I just ran over all apps and preferences and I don't see anything diffrent
Jun 19 20:53:39 <PullingJ> i had to import the root cert for my self signed ssl cert on my personal mail server
Jun 19 20:53:57 <Rick_> dang nab it,  download failed x3 so far.
Jun 19 20:54:00 <Exstatica> PullingJ: thats what i did before i did any other syncing
Jun 19 20:54:03 <Exstatica> i like using ssl with my exchange
Jun 19 20:54:06 <Exstatica> works prefectly
Jun 19 20:54:29 <Exstatica> http://www.weboswiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Exchange+and+Self+Signed+Certificates
Jun 19 20:54:33 <asedeno_work_afk> I like encrypting the connections I send passwords over, personally.
Jun 19 20:54:44 <PullingJ> Exstatica: i'm using imap, but i've done it before to make outlook not pop up cert warnings
Jun 19 20:54:53 <Darth_Pooh> people are claiming that scrolling is smoother?  was it ever not?
Jun 19 20:55:28 <jblebrun> The calendar feels like it's potentially a bit snappier.
Jun 19 20:55:31 <jblebrun> Could just be in my head.
Jun 19 20:55:42 <Rick_> yes, it was not.  Lots of little squares.....
Jun 19 20:55:48 <Exstatica> in general applications seem a little faster
Jun 19 20:55:49 <psykoz> so installing 1.0.3 broke dropbear for you guys?
Jun 19 20:55:54 <gaffo_work> Exstatica, I'm trying to get the thing working for my friend and his IT guy is a moron (small law firm). the cert is signed first with rdrc.corpname.local (corpname is censored, the rest is correct), AND with mail.corpname.com, but no one uses the .local, but the pre doesn't get to the second hostname. I've gotta explain to his it guy how and why he needs to change his cert.
Jun 19 20:56:05 <Rick_> validating failed on fourth try.  Servers probebly overloaded.   I give up, download again later
Jun 19 20:56:08 <Darth_Pooh> rick_, weird, I never felt that way.
Jun 19 20:56:19 <jblebrun> No, ssh still works.
Jun 19 20:56:30 <mikewx> ssl still not working on my pop/smtp servers, it's not giving any error but not connecting either
Jun 19 20:56:31 <gaffo_work> Rick_, it worked for me over evdo but not over wifi
Jun 19 20:56:33 <mdklein_> none of these updates are signed :-/
Jun 19 20:56:34 <Darth_Pooh> huh, I downloaded and installed in 5 minutes too.
Jun 19 20:56:35 <PullingJ> somepeople had delay in dropbear starting
Jun 19 20:56:39 <Exstatica> gaffo_work: the root cert is ok to have a non valid domain, but the main web server cert needs to have the matching hostname
Jun 19 20:56:44 <Rick_> aha@@@@   Turn off wifi.
Jun 19 20:56:59 <Exstatica> so my root cert is sanctum.home.mednor.net, but my web server is mx1.mednor.net
Jun 19 20:57:03 <gaffo_work> Exstatica, which is the case here, it has 2 domain names on the server cert,
Jun 19 20:57:05 <Darth_Pooh> I DL'd over wifi, no problems
Jun 19 20:57:08 <sugardave> I just went to updates and downloaded in no time...validating now
Jun 19 20:57:19 <PullingJ> i downloaded and verified on wifi
Jun 19 20:57:25 <PullingJ> i think i beat the rush, though
Jun 19 20:57:29 <gaffo_work> Exstatica, because he used the default cert that exchange gave him
Jun 19 20:57:31 <Exstatica> oh, yeah has to be fixed, just send him the instructions i pasted from weboswiki, that should take care of it
Jun 19 20:57:38 <PullingJ> the word is out and the update servers are probably getting pounded
Jun 19 20:57:38 <Exstatica> yeah you have to generate custom ones
Jun 19 20:57:44 <shaya> thing I'm amused by, it seems a lot of the fixes they made were in the binaries/services they provide, not the actually webos applications.
Jun 19 20:57:46 <Wonder420> paramiko
Jun 19 20:57:59 <Wonder420> lol sorry --- meant that for PuTTY
Jun 19 20:58:00 <PullingJ> i was hoping for a little more to counter the 3gs release. but not really expecting anything
Jun 19 20:58:13 <Binarytech> did the update kill the access to the phone?
Jun 19 20:58:14 <Exstatica> looks like they removed some comments
Jun 19 20:58:19 <Exstatica> Binarytech: no
Jun 19 20:58:24 <Binarytech> cool thaks
Jun 19 20:58:26 <asedeno_work_afk> Up to 1.0.3, all seems well so far.
Jun 19 20:58:27 <Binarytech> thanks*
Jun 19 20:58:27 <Exstatica> my ssh server still functions without having to do anything
Jun 19 20:58:29 <Kaerey> psykoz: no
Jun 19 20:58:34 <Wonder420> hey, anyone familiar enough with SSH to know if there is a way to start an app remotely?
Jun 19 20:58:42 <Darth_Pooh> calendar IS DAMN snappy NOW
Jun 19 20:58:46 <PullingJ> hrmm, i need to start documenting my changes
Jun 19 20:58:48 <jblebrun> Wonder420: We've told you the answer to this multiple times.
Jun 19 20:58:59 <PullingJ> better than copying the unmodified file to my home directory
Jun 19 20:59:02 <Wonder420> lol than Im a little slow on picking it up
Jun 19 20:59:09 <sugardave> wonder420: yes, you pass the command as a parameter to ssh
Jun 19 20:59:15 <jblebrun> Wonder420: There are better and more appropriate forums than this for learning how to use ssh/linux shells.
Jun 19 20:59:17 <sugardave> so instead of getting to a shell, it just runs the command
Jun 19 20:59:40 <jblebrun> Darth_Pooh: So it's not in my head?
Jun 19 20:59:45 <Wonder420> ?  so for example -- SSH into my pre, and get it to launch the browser
Jun 19 20:59:48 <Wonder420> how would one do this?
Jun 19 20:59:56 <PullingJ> but I think your issue is we don't have much of an ability to launch programs on the phones ui from the shell at this time
Jun 19 20:59:59 <Wonder420> what is the shell command for that?>
Jun 19 21:00:11 <cphelps> Wonder: luna-send will do that I think. I don't know the syntax yet though
Jun 19 21:00:19 <Darth_Pooh> jblebrun, def not... up/down scroll is very smooth as well as days left/right... with appts in all those days too
Jun 19 21:00:21 <sugardave> yeah, is that possible?  like 'xhost +' then run some gui apps somehow?
Jun 19 21:00:26 <Exstatica> did they change the developer code?
Jun 19 21:00:39 <PullingJ> what file was the old code in?
Jun 19 21:00:49 <Rick_> evdo download worked
Jun 19 21:00:52 <Exstatica> nm
Jun 19 21:00:54 <Exstatica> i'm an idiot
Jun 19 21:01:07 <Exstatica> forgot a down
Jun 19 21:01:07 <PullingJ> well i'm going to go ahead and  let it update now.
Jun 19 21:02:11 <Exstatica> holy crap, now i have to turn down the phone
Jun 19 21:02:13 <Exstatica> its way too loud
Jun 19 21:02:33 <Exstatica> ummm, i just got another update
Jun 19 21:02:41 <jblebrun> another update?
Jun 19 21:02:42 <sugardave> 1.0.4?
Jun 19 21:02:45 <Exstatica> no same, but smaller
Jun 19 21:02:49 <Exstatica> 1.0.3 2mb
Jun 19 21:02:50 <sugardave> hmm
Jun 19 21:03:02 <Exstatica> i checked for an update again for shits and giggles
Jun 19 21:03:06 <PullingJ> what file in /var/lib/update for that?
Jun 19 21:03:07 <asedeno_work_afk> checking...
Jun 19 21:03:18 <Darth_Pooh> hahaha... update broke Classic.
Jun 19 21:03:28 <Exstatica> new updates
Jun 19 21:03:29 <Exstatica> andrew@castle:/var/lib/update$ ls
Jun 19 21:03:29 <Exstatica> com.telenav.app.sprintnavigation.ipk  com.telenav.sprintnavigation.ipk      mobitv-sprint-rtspsrc.ipk             palmcustomizationinfo.ipk             sweatshop-sprint-castle.ipk
Jun 19 21:03:30 <Exstatica> andrew@castle:/var/lib/update$
Jun 19 21:03:31 <Darth_Pooh> that's classic
Jun 19 21:03:50 <sugardave> hmm...not I...my phone is 'up to date'...wonder if they had already refreshed "the big one" when I downloaded it
Jun 19 21:03:53 <asedeno_work_afk> I just got a fandango update, but no additional 1.0.3 updates.
Jun 19 21:04:07 <Wonder420> jblebrun:  im looking --- sorry if it sounds n00bish, but I am really close to getting this to work... im just caught up on a few details... what im asking is, can you send a command though SSH to make the Pre run an app --- and if so, can you give me the Syntax of the command as an example?  it would be a super help --- I will keep reseraching in the meantime
Jun 19 21:04:09 <jblebrun> Mine too is "up to date"
Jun 19 21:04:10 <mikewx> i got what asedeno got
Jun 19 21:04:20 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Yes you can do it, no I don't know how.
Jun 19 21:04:27 <Exstatica> wierd, its updating again
Jun 19 21:04:37 <sloppyjm> i need help with web os doctor
Jun 19 21:04:43 <Wonder420> :) than I will keep searching
Jun 19 21:04:48 <destinal_> sweatshop?
Jun 19 21:04:51 <Exstatica> just those apps i mentioned
Jun 19 21:04:52 <jblebrun> Wonder420: I suggest you explore on the wiki and learn a little bit more about how things work. This is a forum for discovering things we don't know about the Pre, not for giving one-shot solutions :-)
Jun 19 21:04:53 <Wonder420> good to know it should be possible :P
Jun 19 21:04:56 <sugardave> Wonder420: you're going to have to figure out how to do with luna-send....I can't make it work yet
Jun 19 21:05:00 <PullingJ> Wonder420: holy crap
Jun 19 21:05:01 <PullingJ> <Wonder420> ?  so for example -- SSH into my pre, and get it to launch the browser
Jun 19 21:05:01 <PullingJ> <Wonder420> how would one do this?
Jun 19 21:05:01 <PullingJ> <PullingJ> but I think your issue is we don't have much of an ability to launch programs on the phones ui from the shell at this time
Jun 19 21:05:01 <PullingJ> <Wonder420> what is the shell command for that?>
Jun 19 21:05:02 <PullingJ> <cphelps> Wonder: luna-send will do that I think. I don't know the syntax yet though
Jun 19 21:05:10 <Wonder420> im not looking for a one-shot solution
Jun 19 21:05:22 <jblebrun> Wonder420: I can tell you that a lot of the services in webOS are controlled via luna/dbus
Jun 19 21:05:30 <PullingJ> i think you need to lose the 420
Jun 19 21:05:37 <Wonder420> i am trying to put together an app that will auto-  install SSH, SFTP, DynDNS, and start to do remote Cam Captures
Jun 19 21:06:08 <bpadalino|work> Wonder420, what you need to do to figure out how to start up an app is to load the dbus-util and launch an app ..
Jun 19 21:06:15 <bpadalino|work> then look at the messages that were passed
Jun 19 21:06:21 <jblebrun> Wonder420: Try running dbus-util --capture, and start an app. Watch the messages that fly by. Compare them to the example of luna-send that is used in the tracking app.
Jun 19 21:06:35 <cphelps> Wonder420: It's not likely you're going to be able to mount the disk rw without rooting the phone first
Jun 19 21:06:36 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun might be on to something! :)
Jun 19 21:06:53 <jblebrun> bpadalino: hi-five
Jun 19 21:06:58 <Rick_> 5 launcher pages still there,  drag menus still work.  Hand installed mojo apps still there, and functional.
Jun 19 21:07:01 <Rick_> Yippee
Jun 19 21:07:28 <Wonder420> phone is super rooted ---   jblebrun:  thx -- i just figured out what you were saying about the dbus-util
Jun 19 21:07:29 <cphelps> Rick_: same results. They seem to be only installing files that actually change, which is goid
Jun 19 21:07:30 <gaffo_work> HAH, found a bug on the pre. Go to any evite and open the ":add to my ical" link. it goes into an infinite loop of opening cards.
Jun 19 21:07:31 <cphelps> good
Jun 19 21:07:36 <no1leftypitcher> my evdo network doesn't start on reboot :(
Jun 19 21:07:39 <jblebrun> bpadalino: BTW, it looks like there's no introspection info in the luna dbus services :(
Jun 19 21:07:40 <no1leftypitcher> what do i do
Jun 19 21:08:11 <sugardave> hard reset?
Jun 19 21:08:11 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, no introspection info ?
Jun 19 21:08:28 <jblebrun> bpad: I got the dbus-python stuff, and played around with the Introspection interface
Jun 19 21:08:30 <Rick_> nolefty.  Try a hard reset.  Pull the battery.
Jun 19 21:08:30 <PullingJ> rick: launcher pages were through preferences settings weren't they?
Jun 19 21:08:36 <Rick_> nope
Jun 19 21:08:38 <jblebrun> bpadalino: And all of the palm services just return empty sets.
Jun 19 21:08:39 <no1leftypitcher> thanks ill try that
Jun 19 21:08:50 <sloppyjm> can someone send me their list veiw
Jun 19 21:08:52 <Rick_> you had to mod launcher enable add and delete launcher pages.
Jun 19 21:08:55 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, interesting .. does it say they take arguments ?
Jun 19 21:09:05 <PullingJ> if evdo screws up go into phone prefs and update network settings
Jun 19 21:09:59 <j0sh> well
Jun 19 21:10:01 <bpadalino|work> or do you mean com.palm.bluetooth introspection returns an empty set - when there is definitely at least /a2dp in there ?
Jun 19 21:10:03 <j0sh> eas is now working
Jun 19 21:10:09 <j0sh> with an invalid ssl cert
Jun 19 21:10:11 <j0sh> :D
Jun 19 21:10:22 <jblebrun> bpadalino: Right
Jun 19 21:10:25 <bpadalino|work> gotcha
Jun 19 21:10:28 <bpadalino|work> interesting
Jun 19 21:10:28 <mdklein_> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.browser\"}
Jun 19 21:10:28 <jblebrun> bpadalino: Hold on, I'll pastebin what I'm doing
Jun 19 21:10:29 <mikeDOTd> j0sh: do you have to accept the invalid cert?
Jun 19 21:10:32 <mdklein_> that will launch a browser
Jun 19 21:10:36 <j0sh> nope
Jun 19 21:10:39 <mikeDOTd> ugh
Jun 19 21:10:44 <j0sh> just works
Jun 19 21:10:45 <bpadalino|work> mdklein, post it to the wiki if you can .. please .. that's great ..
Jun 19 21:10:50 <mdklein_> I don't have edit
Jun 19 21:10:54 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 19 21:10:54 <Rick_> scrolling in web MUCH MUCH MUCH smoother.  Wow.  No bunches of little boxes, even on complex pages.
Jun 19 21:11:03 <Rick_> horizontal and vertical WAY better
Jun 19 21:11:10 <j0sh> i never put the cert on this phone, just put in the account info, and bam
Jun 19 21:11:13 <j0sh> solid gold
Jun 19 21:11:24 <jblebrun> Ooooooo
Jun 19 21:11:25 <PullingJ> my ssh was active at throbbing palm log after installing the update
Jun 19 21:11:39 <jblebrun> mdklein: Thanks!
Jun 19 21:11:42 <Wonder420> mdklein -- i could kiss you
Jun 19 21:11:46 <bpadalino|work> do it
Jun 19 21:11:47 <bpadalino|work> kiss him
Jun 19 21:11:56 <Wonder420> *X
Jun 19 21:12:01 <jblebrun> bpadalino: OK, hold on. It might just be that the expat parser doesn't parse the response properly.
Jun 19 21:12:04 <Wonder420> sorry im drunk
Jun 19 21:12:04 <jblebrun> *investigates*
Jun 19 21:12:13 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, interesting .. good to know ..
Jun 19 21:12:13 <jblebrun> *shock*
Jun 19 21:12:16 <bpadalino|work> !!!
Jun 19 21:12:18 <sloppyjm> i neeeeeeed listview-assistant.js from someone please
Jun 19 21:12:19 <gaffo_work> !!!
Jun 19 21:12:59 <jblebrun> Hmmmmm: <node name="voiceDialing"/>
Jun 19 21:13:02 <jblebrun> Interesting ;-)
Jun 19 21:13:08 <Lurking_Grue> What was that browser setting for?
Jun 19 21:13:18 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, where was that ?
Jun 19 21:13:21 <sloppyjm> bpad : can u send me listveiw assitant
Jun 19 21:13:44 <bpadalino|work> sloppyjm, i odn't have it on my phione right now - but you can probably get it from the new web doctor ? was a new web doctor released ?
Jun 19 21:13:45 <Wonder420> ok, so here's a solution:  Camera Remote Snap --- Created a Mojo app that will do instant snap, or timed snap from camera-    Using SFTP and DynDNS over EVDO, you can command the phone to take a pic, and send it to you, no matter where the phone is --- perfect for stolen Pre's :)
Jun 19 21:13:53 <j0sh> sloppyjim, do you have the webdoctor?
Jun 19 21:14:01 <j0sh> if you do you can extract any file you want
Jun 19 21:14:04 <j0sh> its all in there
Jun 19 21:14:07 <sloppyjm> i have webdoctor but i cant get it to work idk how
Jun 19 21:14:09 <Wonder420> using Luna-send and SSH, you can run the custom app
Jun 19 21:14:14 <jblebrun> bpadalino: In com.palm.audio
Jun 19 21:14:21 <sloppyjm> wait i can oh snap thanks
Jun 19 21:14:23 <cphelps> Wonder420: unless it's in someone's pocket or laying down flat
Jun 19 21:14:26 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, so it returns !!!!
Jun 19 21:14:26 <jblebrun> There seems to be limited information... no args info tho
Jun 19 21:14:49 <twobitsprite> any news on a release notes for 1.0.3 yet? :)
Jun 19 21:15:03 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, so you can get the method names ?
Jun 19 21:15:06 <sloppyjm> bpad : comment lines 246 247 messed up my messaging in adding a card wiki
Jun 19 21:15:09 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, but no arguments ?
Jun 19 21:15:15 <j0sh> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103
Jun 19 21:15:19 <j0sh> release notes
Jun 19 21:15:29 <jblebrun> bpadalino: http://pastebin.com/m78be3a77
Jun 19 21:15:40 * cphelps is still not seeing this luna-send work for launching the browser
Jun 19 21:15:51 <sugardave> it worked for me!  yay!
Jun 19 21:16:18 <cphelps> oops, needed root
Jun 19 21:16:21 <cphelps> that's lame
Jun 19 21:16:42 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, right - so what happens when you introspect the node name ?
Jun 19 21:17:28 <sugardave> cphelps, hmm...that is lame
Jun 19 21:18:30 <Wonder420> mdklein:  where can I find more info about luna-send switches?
Jun 19 21:18:43 <jblebrun> bpadalino: http://pastebin.com/m2b62c579
Jun 19 21:18:45 <jblebrun> (see bottom)
Jun 19 21:19:25 <bpadalino|work> :(
Jun 19 21:19:30 <mdklein_> Wonder420: I don't think they're very documented yet. I just dbus-util capture and see what the phone is doing
Jun 19 21:19:33 <jblebrun> Yeah :(
Jun 19 21:19:39 <psykoz> email feels must zippier with 1.0.3
Jun 19 21:19:55 <cphelps> mdklein_: http://predev.wikidot.com/luna-send
Jun 19 21:20:01 <psykoz> I just wish they'd hurry up and allow me to sync my google contacts with only the "my contacts" list instead of all contacts
Jun 19 21:20:07 <Lurking_Grue> Did 1.0.3 remove root access?
Jun 19 21:20:16 <psykoz> lurking_grue, I still have dropbear working on my phone
Jun 19 21:20:31 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, can you go through the differnet services at least - and get their different nodes for each of them ?
Jun 19 21:20:36 <Wonder420> cphelps: lol awesome
Jun 19 21:20:42 <mdklein_> heh, good to know
Jun 19 21:20:46 <mdklein> woops
Jun 19 21:20:47 <mdklein> heh
Jun 19 21:20:50 <jblebrun> bpadalino: ok
Jun 19 21:20:51 <bpadalino|work> that may be very useful in finding new things to test
Jun 19 21:21:09 <Wonder420> got it on the wiki already :)  hey, can someone set me up a wiki for Remote_camera
Jun 19 21:21:31 <Wonder420> I wanna put up a page on how to setup the ability to grab camera shots from the pre in case it gets stolen
Jun 19 21:21:36 <cphelps> Wonder420: First off, I don't have that authority.
Jun 19 21:21:49 <cphelps> Wonder420: But more importantly, that's just lame.
Jun 19 21:22:01 <Wonder420> well, i want it for other reasons too
Jun 19 21:22:11 <cphelps> Wonder420: The truth comes out!
Jun 19 21:22:23 <Wonder420> I want to be able to record voice and pictures to do face/voice recognition, and keep a running database of my conversations
Jun 19 21:22:24 <cphelps> You bought one for your girlfriend and you want to snap pictures of her unawares.
Jun 19 21:22:47 <Wonder420> lol I can just slip her some ambian if I wanted that :)  j/k
Jun 19 21:22:53 <Wonder420> but not really j/k :)
Jun 19 21:23:04 <mdklein> I can't help with that, my camera was DOA and sprint store here has been sold out so no swap yet :(
Jun 19 21:23:18 <cphelps> Wonder420: why not work on enabling the GPS remotely when it's been turned off.
Jun 19 21:23:51 <Lurking_Grue> Wonder: Say goodbuy to the pre's battery life. :)
Jun 19 21:24:05 <Wonder420> I have the GPS tracking thing -- but hell yeah... to figure out the whole NSA-can-hear-you-when-your-phone-is-off think would be super kickass
Jun 19 21:24:06 <sugardave> yes, that would be nice...trying to figure out how to access the gps myself
Jun 19 21:24:17 <PullingJ> it does sound like wonder420 is working on a stalking app
Jun 19 21:24:20 <Wonder420> look at the tracking app for that
Jun 19 21:24:24 <cphelps> Wonder420: You've been watching too many movies
Jun 19 21:24:31 <Wonder420> if you wanted to stalk someone, GPS tracking alone is enough
Jun 19 21:24:38 <PullingJ> combine his remote picture taker with the tracking app already in the wiki. plus the pics would be geotagged anyway
Jun 19 21:24:47 <mdklein> you mean like luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/setAutoLocate {\"autoLocate\":\"true\"}
Jun 19 21:24:49 * Lurking_Grue starts updating his pre. *Crosses fingers*
Jun 19 21:25:09 <Wonder420> now, I ate too much LSD.  Now I am convinced that if we can record all of our conversations and do face/voice recongnition, we can start to build a science database 100x that of any Yale or Harvard
Jun 19 21:25:15 <PullingJ> enable the gps and then break the gps preferences app so you can't disable it from the phone ui and you are all set to stalk
Jun 19 21:25:35 <cphelps> mdklein: is that tested?
Jun 19 21:25:48 <Wonder420> you can pay Sprint $5 a month for that one
Jun 19 21:25:54 <mdklein> cphelps: that turns autolocate on
Jun 19 21:25:57 <mdklein> if you want GPS
Jun 19 21:26:07 <Wonder420> yeah Sprint sells the AutoLocate
Jun 19 21:26:30 <mdklein> it's luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/setUseGps {\"useGps\":\"true\"}
Jun 19 21:26:40 <PullingJ> no sprint sells access to a website called sprint family locator that has the location of your phone
Jun 19 21:26:58 <Wonder420> mdklein --- i have been trying to get dbus to give me something legible --- i cannot figure out how to start the camera app from luna-send
Jun 19 21:26:59 <bpadalino|work> mdklein, this is good stuff
Jun 19 21:27:01 <Wonder420> any ideas?
Jun 19 21:27:04 <cphelps> mdklein: The syntax of those function calls is lame too
Jun 19 21:28:23 <bpadalino|work> syntax ?
Jun 19 21:29:27 <cphelps> bpadalino|work: seems to me that luna send just creates JS objects and calls JS functions with command line arguments
Jun 19 21:30:36 <Rick_> http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm   -- is there some reason we couldn't move the index.html for this into /var/usr/palm/applications and have it in Launcher as a mojo app instead of in browser as a web app?
Jun 19 21:30:58 <Lurking_Grue> Yaaay! My phone survived the update.
Jun 19 21:31:44 <brkbrk> anybody have any luck starting diag mode on the pre?
Jun 19 21:31:54 <Lurking_Grue> Hmm... Checking datestamsp they also updated sprint navigation.
Jun 19 21:32:02 <Lurking_Grue> cd /
Jun 19 21:32:23 <Rick_> ha,   I -never do that grue   (type into the wrong terminal)
Jun 19 21:32:30 <Wonder420> any idea if there is a JS function for /com/palm/media/m_StartRecord ?
Jun 19 21:32:32 * Lurking_Grue grins.
Jun 19 21:32:36 <destinal_> hopefully you can still get root post update?  no attacks on the mechanism for doing that?
Jun 19 21:32:48 <Rick_> no, root works fine post update
Jun 19 21:33:34 <Rick_> you have to expect that this update has been in the works for a few weeks...  this one would not HAVE a response to rooting.  BUT BUT BUT the palm developers blog said things today which implies that they dont care.
Jun 19 21:33:36 <destinal_> does anyone know whether palm has said they plan on doing anything about us having root on our phones, or if they're ok with it / not evil?
Jun 19 21:34:05 <destinal_> wow, maybe a sudden outbreak of common sense?
Jun 19 21:34:15 <mdklein> hrm
Jun 19 21:34:18 <Lurking_Grue> Des: I was more worried they would accidentally stomp on it.
Jun 19 21:34:21 <Rick_> Palm Developers blog =>   We’ve also begun getting questions about Palm’s stance toward the webOS development “experiments” that have emerged outside the early access program over the last week. We’re focused on building a robust and easy-to-use Mojo SDK, and an ecosystem that benefits developers, end users, carriers and Palm alike. As on any popular platform, we recognize that some...
Jun 19 21:34:23 <Rick_> ...developers will experiment in ways that cross official boundaries, but we believe that our formal offerings – and community efforts built around those offerings – will provide the best experience for the vast majority of webOS developers and users.
Jun 19 21:35:04 <destinal_> Hmm, kind of a non-statement, unless you read it as, meh, we're developing mojo and kicking them around would take our effort away from that
Jun 19 21:35:09 <mdklein> I don't know the "correct" method of pulling GPS data yet, but "luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/startTracking {\"appId\":\"anything\",\"subscribe\":\"true\"} " will return an error with current lat/long
Jun 19 21:35:18 <Wonder420> lol they made root too easy--- sprint execs are probably pissed... thinking "those jackassed told us they had it covered!"  WebOS programmers thought "haha I can't believe those jackasses bought it!"
Jun 19 21:35:49 <Rick_> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbasend  --   I mean,  if that isn't a message to the community, I don't know what is.
Jun 19 21:35:59 <Wonder420> sofar:  IMHO --- WebOS = KICKASS
Jun 19 21:36:01 <rwhitby> morning
Jun 19 21:36:15 <Wonder420> Rick_ :  True That good sir ---
Jun 19 21:36:17 <cphelps> Wonder420: You mean linux = kickass
Jun 19 21:36:20 <sugardave> mdklein, nice
Jun 19 21:36:27 <Wonder420> that too :)
Jun 19 21:36:41 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby, good morning
Jun 19 21:36:45 <Rick_> I mean, I'm 54 years old, and _I_ knew that code.
Jun 19 21:36:51 <Wonder420> but more kickass to whoever put the Konami code in as the Dev code
Jun 19 21:37:13 <Wonder420> I want that guys work address so I can have some beer and pizza delivered to him
Jun 19 21:37:24 * rwhitby is glad there is someone older than him on the channel
Jun 19 21:37:24 <deesugar> Anyone can point me to that hack where it changes the color of the "Palm" logo on boot?
Jun 19 21:37:51 <jblebrun> meh
Jun 19 21:37:55 <jblebrun> pretty disappointing so far
Jun 19 21:37:57 <jblebrun> http://predev.wikidot.com/introspecting-dbus
Jun 19 21:38:36 <jblebrun> I'll have to dig more.
Jun 19 21:39:10 <PullingJ> any of the heavy hitters signing up for the SDK?  "Important Note to webOS developers: we're ramping the early access program from hundreds to thousands in the next few weeks."
Jun 19 21:39:15 <rwhitby> jblebrun: is that saying that Palm haven't implemented introspection support in lots of their APIs?
Jun 19 21:39:39 <jblebrun> rwhitby: That's my guess. It's also possible that I'm not doing something correctly. This is my first foray into dbus territory.
Jun 19 21:39:53 <Rick_> literally many thousands of folks signed up for the sdk.
Jun 19 21:39:54 <Wonder420> jblebrun:  wow --- good research -- thanks
Jun 19 21:39:58 <psykoz> PullingJ, I've signed up under the disguise of my company whom makes a competitor to microsoft's media center
Jun 19 21:40:02 <psykoz> so maybe we'll get lucky here shortly
Jun 19 21:40:08 <Wonder420> im still tryin what im trying :)
Jun 19 21:40:18 <mdklein> I signed up for SDK in april, I didn't even get a confirmation they received my application :-p
Jun 19 21:40:29 <cphelps> PullingJ: Yes, I signed up for the SDK using company credentials and a fake application idea
Jun 19 21:40:32 <PullingJ> psykoz, well don't break your nda if you do get access. but good luck
Jun 19 21:40:42 <Rick_> My company has developed palm software as a palm softwware development partner since the mid 1990's.   I'm hoping that gets us in "sooner" rather than "later" but I'm still waiting
Jun 19 21:40:47 <PullingJ> i think a geocaching app would be a good app idea
Jun 19 21:40:59 <brkbrk> i just hope everyone is documenting everything the updater did so that when an evil update is released it can be circumvented
Jun 19 21:41:22 <Rick_> why are you so convinced it's "when" ?
Jun 19 21:41:27 <Wonder420> you think an 'evil' update is enevitable?
Jun 19 21:41:33 <psykoz> So
Jun 19 21:41:33 <Wonder420> (fuck spelling)
Jun 19 21:41:35 <PullingJ> eventhough hopefully groundspeak is already working on it
Jun 19 21:41:41 <brkbrk> im a fatalist
Jun 19 21:41:43 <psykoz> here's what you should do if you don't want updates to happen in the future
Jun 19 21:41:49 <psykoz> cd /usr/bin
Jun 19 21:41:56 <psykoz> mount -o remount,rw /
Jun 19 21:42:00 <psykoz> chmod -x *Update*
Jun 19 21:42:04 <psykoz> mount -o remount,ro /
Jun 19 21:42:14 <psykoz> that makes all the Update apps non-executable
Jun 19 21:42:16 <konsoleX> psykoz: :)
Jun 19 21:42:17 <Wonder420> hmm... that would work?
Jun 19 21:42:26 <psykoz> Yes I tested it with todays update
Jun 19 21:42:32 <Wonder420> good man ---
Jun 19 21:42:36 <psykoz> to update my phone i had to +x those files again, and reboot, then I was able to update
Jun 19 21:42:36 <cphelps> psykoz: you get a cookie
Jun 19 21:43:04 <cphelps> That's a hack that needs to be on the wiki
Jun 19 21:43:04 <sugardave> pullingj: thanks, I'm drooling for a next-gen geocaching app
Jun 19 21:43:06 <Wonder420> brb ---= chmod'ing some stuff
Jun 19 21:43:13 <sugardave> I used to use geoniche on my treo...well, will still be using it
Jun 19 21:43:13 <cphelps> anyone else want to do it??
Jun 19 21:43:42 <Wonder420> hey cphelps:  I will if you let me put up a Remote Camera Viewing wiki too
Jun 19 21:43:49 <PullingJ> as long as you have root access before the update, you can stop the update.  now palm could make the update irresistable and root breaking but i'm sure we'd figure out a way around it
Jun 19 21:43:55 <PullingJ> i don't think they will do it, though
Jun 19 21:43:57 <rwhitby> "The Pre code analysis and modification efforts (many of which are collected at the Pre Dev Wiki) are not malicious hacking but permissible and collaborative hacking, and represent the best of what the open source movement is all about." - quote from http://www.precentral.net/palm-goes-open-sourcesort
Jun 19 21:44:03 <cphelps> Wonder420: I can't give you permission, so it's not up to me
Jun 19 21:44:03 <konsoleX> anyone run the update?
Jun 19 21:44:19 <Wonder420> oh yeah --- you said that
Jun 19 21:44:43 <Wonder420> rwhitby:  they better stay clean if they hope to keep a user base like Andriod has
Jun 19 21:44:55 <ebroder__> hey - has anybody figured out why the pre is shipping with vpnc?
Jun 19 21:44:56 <Wonder420> but sofar, I so, A+ for the Pre Dev team
Jun 19 21:45:07 <mdklein> ok, luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.location/getCurrentPosition {}  <-- that's a lot easier to type than the other method...
Jun 19 21:45:13 <ebroder__> is it exposed anywhere yet?
Jun 19 21:45:18 <jblebrun> rwhitby: This is the least annoying blog post yet.
Jun 19 21:45:25 <rwhitby> Wonder420: who better stay clean?
Jun 19 21:45:27 <bpadalino|work> mdklein, that's a good method to know
Jun 19 21:46:05 <jblebrun> mdklein: Want to start a wiki page for luna-send things?
Jun 19 21:46:09 <Rick_> rwhitby:  that statement is by a Law Professor, not by palm.
Jun 19 21:46:09 <rwhitby> ok, so what tcpdump tracing or strace tracing have people got in place for the 1.0.3 OTA update?
Jun 19 21:46:18 <jblebrun> Oh, someone has
Jun 19 21:46:21 <rwhitby> Rick_: right
Jun 19 21:46:27 <retry> oh link?
Jun 19 21:46:33 <mdklein> jblebrun: I will once I get edit privs
Jun 19 21:46:37 <Wonder420> mdlkein: error in bse.c:538
Jun 19 21:46:40 <sugardave> thanks, mdklein...having trouble getting response from gps
Jun 19 21:46:41 <sugardave> atm
Jun 19 21:46:42 <Wonder420> are you in Telnet or SSH?
Jun 19 21:46:48 <jblebrun> Is Chris Phelps in here?
Jun 19 21:46:57 <rwhitby> mdklein: you now have edit privs, check your /msg
Jun 19 21:47:04 <mdklein> sweet, thanks
Jun 19 21:47:08 <retry> has anybody figured out how to NOT get sound alerts for missed phone calls?
Jun 19 21:47:24 <retry> when I'm sleeping I want everything off but SMS alerts
Jun 19 21:47:35 <retry> but the damn phone will do a full volume notification for the missed call
Jun 19 21:47:52 <Wonder420> hey +rwhitby:  can you creat a Remote-Camera-Viewing wiki?  I have some stuff I can throw you to put on it--- im close to a solution, and could really use some help
Jun 19 21:48:04 <cphelps> mdklein: I still can't believe that my GPS works in this basement
Jun 19 21:48:05 <retry> there's no option in the phone app to turn sound off for phone notifications
Jun 19 21:48:07 <rwhitby> Wonder420: anyone can create any wiki page
Jun 19 21:48:15 <Wonder420> says i am not a member
Jun 19 21:48:20 <cphelps> I'm 10 feet under ground and inside 16 inches of concrete
Jun 19 21:48:28 <retry> yeah I could  not edit the camera page yesterday
Jun 19 21:48:32 <rwhitby> Wonder420: you are now, check your /msg
Jun 19 21:48:33 <retry> even though I reg'd
Jun 19 21:48:43 <cphelps> jblebrun: Chris Phelps is me
Jun 19 21:48:57 <retry> Wonder420, did you figure out how to trigger the camera to shoot a pic from the cmdline yet?
Jun 19 21:48:57 <Wonder420> thx +rwhitby --- i was looking for someone with the power for that one
Jun 19 21:49:04 <PullingJ> cphelps, are you sure its the gps working? not just agps getting a position based on cell towers
Jun 19 21:49:18 <Wonder420> retry:  very very close ... 98% there ;)
Jun 19 21:49:24 <cphelps> PullingJ: Nope
Jun 19 21:49:28 <retry> meaning what?
Jun 19 21:49:33 <Wonder420> ive been at this one for about 26 hours strait now:)
Jun 19 21:49:44 <retry> it's some sort of luna cmd right?
Jun 19 21:49:46 <retry> to trigger the cam
Jun 19 21:50:06 <retry> or is it more complicated?
Jun 19 21:50:17 <Wonder420> retry: here's what I've got:  I can create a custom app that will take a stream of 10-sec pics.... then I can call that app with luna-send
Jun 19 21:50:28 <ebroder__> hmm...does anybody know what version of gcc palm used?
Jun 19 21:50:33 <Wonder420> i am just trying to figure out the syntax for luna-send and my custom made app
Jun 19 21:50:47 <ebroder__> i think i remember bpadalino using 3.2 - i was wondering if he picked that for any particular reason
Jun 19 21:51:03 <Wonder420> thx mdklein for that --- he blessed me with the remote- ssh command
Jun 19 21:51:06 <bpadalino|work> ebroder__, i think they used whatever is included with the codesourcery tools from 2007q3 release
Jun 19 21:51:11 <Wonder420> I was looking for that all night and morning
Jun 19 21:51:16 <bpadalino|work> i think it's 4.2 ?
Jun 19 21:51:17 <twobitsprite> so... all of these home-brew apps... any one figure out a simple way to distribute and install these apps?
Jun 19 21:51:37 <Kaerey> Zip, post to web, download, unzip winSCP copy
Jun 19 21:51:38 <Wonder420> confucios says: it is always 4.2 somewhere
Jun 19 21:52:00 <bpadalino|work> twobitsprite, should be easy enough to simulate the palm way of doing things using ipkg i'd think ?
Jun 19 21:52:13 <jblebrun> twobitsprite: I was watching dbus-util --capture while installing apps. There's quite a bit that happens, but it should be possible to figure out.
Jun 19 21:52:15 <bpadalino|work> that way removing should be easier as well
Jun 19 21:52:43 <twobitsprite> bpadalino|work: right... but would you have to "root" in your installer to get the ipkg to install?
Jun 19 21:52:52 <twobitsprite> jblebrun: yeah, I'm hoping that helps
Jun 19 21:52:54 <brkbrk> Its super important for someone to write a free app that does the samething as apples pay-through-the-roof "findme" app on the pre
Jun 19 21:52:56 * konsoleX is bravely installing 1.0.3
Jun 19 21:53:16 <Wonder420> Question:  What is the syntax for using Luna-send and the camera app?
Jun 19 21:53:18 <twobitsprite> konsoleX: it works... the only thing I notice was that it reverted my phone app background
Jun 19 21:53:19 <PullingJ> Wonder420, why'd you spend so much time on the remote ssh, just make it work logged into ssh, then worry about remote later.  google shouldhave told you how to do a remote ssh command anyway
Jun 19 21:53:24 <bpadalino|work> twobitsprite, to install the isntaller app you would ... but others subsequently could be installed using the same sort of update thing palm does ?
Jun 19 21:53:38 <Wonder420> yeah, logged into SSH would work too
Jun 19 21:53:43 <Wonder420> same instructions
Jun 19 21:53:55 <jblebrun> Has anyone tried emailing themselves an ipk?
Jun 19 21:54:01 <Wonder420> I have remote SSH over EVDO and DynDNS update setup already
Jun 19 21:54:12 <edektor> so does 1.0.3 break anything you guys have done?
Jun 19 21:54:14 <bpadalino|work> jblebrun, i haven't - you think it would try to install it ?
Jun 19 21:54:31 <jblebrun> I dunno... I think I'll try  :-)
Jun 19 21:54:35 <bpadalino|work> good idea
Jun 19 21:54:37 <cphelps> jblebrun: I tried a bunch of other shit, but not an ipk
Jun 19 21:54:41 <bpadalino|work> i'm going to go home - bbl
Jun 19 21:55:29 <Wonder420> nicotine + thc break --- THX TO IRC today!  You guys have given me waaaaaaaay more than google did today :)
Jun 19 21:55:47 <shaya> is the update an ipkg?
Jun 19 21:55:55 <jblebrun> shaya: yeah
Jun 19 21:56:00 <jblebrun> shaya: well, it's ipkgs
Jun 19 21:56:07 <shaya> replacement versions?
Jun 19 21:56:10 <shaya> or overwrite files?
Jun 19 21:56:12 <cphelps> jblebrun: it doesn't work
Jun 19 21:56:17 <jblebrun> cphelps: shucks
Jun 19 21:56:20 <shaya> i.e. higher version #s
Jun 19 21:56:23 <cphelps> it does download, but no icon associated, and it says it
Jun 19 21:56:28 <cphelps> isn't supported
Jun 19 21:56:29 <shaya> or do they do something like dpkg --force-overwrite
Jun 19 21:56:32 <jblebrun> What package did you try?
Jun 19 21:56:42 <cphelps> jblebrun: nascar
Jun 19 21:56:45 <jblebrun> Haha
Jun 19 21:56:51 <cphelps> I've removed it :-)
Jun 19 21:56:59 <Lurking_Grue> How do you delete email stuck in the outbox.  It just keeps trying to send.
Jun 19 21:57:18 <jblebrun> Lurking_Grue: swiping it left didn't work?
Jun 19 21:57:53 <Lurking_Grue> It went away but the error keeps showing up under the notification. It's weird.
Jun 19 21:58:55 <sloppyjm> bpad: I need help useing web os doctor
Jun 19 21:59:33 <brkbrk> who's going to be the first one to add 1.0.3 to the webdoctor?
Jun 19 22:00:01 <flare576> hey all; trying to SSH via EVDO and having some problems seeing the device.  I used DynDNS.com to setup the name; anyone else use them and have problems?
Jun 19 22:00:47 <sloppyjm> All: Can someone walk me through useing web doc
Jun 19 22:00:49 <cphelps> flare576: Not to be an asshole, but that's a terrible idea.
Jun 19 22:00:54 <mdklein> ugly ass syntax but
Jun 19 22:00:55 <mdklein> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.browser\",\"params\":{\"scene\":\"page\",\"target\":\"http://www.google.com\"}}
Jun 19 22:00:58 <mdklein> will open google.com
Jun 19 22:01:19 <flare576> cphelps: I'll never take input as being an asshole, but why?
Jun 19 22:01:49 <cphelps> flare576: Because even SSH isn't THAT secure
Jun 19 22:01:59 <mikeDOTd> uh...ok buddy
Jun 19 22:02:00 <Filefly> hey folks
Jun 19 22:02:01 <flare576> How else would you SSH via EVDO?  IP constantly changes and is tough to find on the device.
Jun 19 22:02:15 <Filefly> is there any way to put videos on the pre via the usb drive?
Jun 19 22:02:18 <cphelps> flare576: wifi it
Jun 19 22:02:21 <Filefly> i've tried it and it doesn't see them
Jun 19 22:02:22 * rwhitby gets worried about all his internet facing servers, since ssh is no longer secure ... ;-)
Jun 19 22:02:30 <jblebrun> LOL
Jun 19 22:02:34 <flare576> cphelps: can't; wifi network at work can't hit external
Jun 19 22:03:01 <rwhitby> cphelps: but you're right - you can't be too careful with a device that will eventually hold *all* your personal information.
Jun 19 22:03:04 <flare576> Filefly: you have to get them in the proper format, I can't offer advice on an app to do that since I haven't tried yet
Jun 19 22:03:18 <cphelps> flare576: can you find the phone on the wifi inside the office?
Jun 19 22:03:20 <sloppyjm> File : Try Creating a Videos File
Jun 19 22:03:21 <Filefly> okay, but if they're in the right format that should work?
Jun 19 22:03:25 <jblebrun> Filefly: yes
Jun 19 22:03:28 <Filefly> I made a videos folder
Jun 19 22:03:31 <Filefly> okay, thanks :)
Jun 19 22:03:45 <Exstatica> cphelps: ssh is very secure, if you follow the right messures, I use a random very high port, and i use a 8096bit public key
Jun 19 22:03:48 <Exstatica> good luck cracking that
Jun 19 22:03:53 <sloppyjm> What file format is the have fun vid in
Jun 19 22:03:54 <flare576> cphelps: yup!  I had to do some tricky crap where I'd setup a cron job for installing packages to run in 2 minutes, quick take the phone off wifi, and wait for it to run
Jun 19 22:03:55 <sloppyjm> try that
Jun 19 22:04:00 <PullingJ> i think some kind of remote exploit is much more likely than someone getting into your phone through a ssh session on a port that you pick randomly
Jun 19 22:04:03 <lamontsf> if you're going to set up remote SSH via EVDO, just make sure to turn off password auth and only use the public/private keypair
Jun 19 22:04:04 <Filefly> sloppyjm: okay, I will :D
Jun 19 22:04:14 <PullingJ> ie port 222 is good, but port #### is even better
Jun 19 22:04:54 <cphelps> Exstatica: I'm just saying, why expose yourself to a few thousand hackers when you can expose yourself to just those within range of your wifi?
Jun 19 22:04:56 <Lurking_Grue> Use a good password and keep the port off  22 and you should be safe.
Jun 19 22:05:02 <PullingJ> you could modify iptables to only allow access to your ssh port from networks/hosts you use, too
Jun 19 22:05:21 <lamontsf> cphelps: well, for me I'd like to be able to remotely ssh into the phone if I lose it
Jun 19 22:05:24 <flare576> well, at this point it doesn't even work; the DNS I setup gets refreshed when the unit pulls a new IP ( http://predev.wikidot.com/ddns-update ), but I can't talk to the IP or the DNS.
Jun 19 22:05:28 <Lurking_Grue> There is more danger of somebody just stealing the phone.
Jun 19 22:05:52 <mike_w> update on the remote wipe. it bricked my pre, but it did do the backup first.
Jun 19 22:06:04 <rwhitby> Exstatica: do you do authentication agent forwarding too ?
Jun 19 22:06:12 <Exstatica> rwhitby: of course
Jun 19 22:06:18 <jblebrun> Since the start of the wiki, I wonder if people have started range scanning on 222 and 2222 ;-)
Jun 19 22:06:20 <PullingJ> mike_w, could you use webdoctor to unbrick it?
Jun 19 22:06:23 <ebroder__> cphelps: You want to back up this theory that ssh isn't secure?
Jun 19 22:06:26 <rwhitby> Exstatica: good man
Jun 19 22:06:35 <mike_w> PullingJ: didn't test, i was wipign it because i was exchanging it at sprint store
Jun 19 22:06:43 <cphelps> ebroder__: secure is a relative term
Jun 19 22:06:55 <Exstatica> i'm a security nut, my laptop is fully encrypted, my servers use gentoo with grsec and ssp
Jun 19 22:06:57 <rwhitby> ssh is not as secure as airplane mode ...
Jun 19 22:07:15 <Exstatica> rwhitby: true that
Jun 19 22:07:19 <cphelps> ebroder__: ssh dev never stops because hackers never stop looking to find new exploits
Jun 19 22:07:37 <flare576> Any door into a device is openable. Period.  I understand that, but I still wanna be able to SSH over EVDO at my own risk... I'm missing a piece, and was hoping to find it here lol
Jun 19 22:07:40 <Exstatica> rwhitby: although someone could just steal your phone, and then you're screwed
Jun 19 22:07:54 <Exstatica> flare576: what problem are you having?
Jun 19 22:07:57 <Exstatica> i'm using ssh over evdo
Jun 19 22:08:00 <sloppyjm> is their a webosdoctor help chanal
Jun 19 22:08:03 <lamontsf> me too, with no problems
Jun 19 22:08:21 <cphelps> Exstatica: I think his DynDNS isn't working
Jun 19 22:08:32 <destinal_> sloppyjm: turn off the phone, then hold down up when you plug it into USB (while off)
Jun 19 22:08:34 <flare576> Exstatica: I followed these instructiosn http://predev.wikidot.com/ddns-update and was able to successfully get automatic IP refreshing to the DDNS
Jun 19 22:08:36 <rwhitby> Exstatica: that's why we need ecrypted root on the Pre too
Jun 19 22:08:59 <flare576> but now I can't actuall touch that address/IP; doesn't respond to remote ping, and PuTTy can't see it either
Jun 19 22:09:11 <Exstatica> you have usb root on it?
Jun 19 22:09:18 <destinal_> sloppyjm: err volume-up
Jun 19 22:09:43 <Exstatica> flare576: do you have the usb root up? what ssh did you install?
Jun 19 22:09:47 <cphelps> flare576: did you actually add the rules to your ssh server setup?
Jun 19 22:10:00 <lamontsf> flare: are you looking at the ppp0 ip address via ifconfig?
Jun 19 22:10:04 <flare576> Exstatica: I installed dropbear
Jun 19 22:10:21 <Exstatica> flare576: do this command.... ps -ax|grep drop
Jun 19 22:10:25 <PullingJ> did you remove -i eth0 from the iptables lines in the startup script?
Jun 19 22:10:26 <Exstatica> what port is it listed?
Jun 19 22:10:35 <flare576> cphelps: yup, I took off the -etho from the command
Jun 19 22:10:54 <rwhitby> So, has anyone had 1.0.3 installed yet - did any of our modifications break?  Did optware restart successfully afterwards?
Jun 19 22:11:00 <Exstatica> rwhitby: yes
Jun 19 22:11:04 <flare576> lamontsf: I'm seeing the IP via the DDNS screen, I didn't check the device, I'll do that next time I WiFi in.
Jun 19 22:11:04 <Exstatica> rwhitby: everything works fine
Jun 19 22:11:10 <cphelps> rwhitby: same here, I am in good shape
Jun 19 22:11:23 <rwhitby> Sweet - I love it when a plan comes together ...
Jun 19 22:11:27 <Exstatica> flare576: you should get root on the device and check iptables -L
Jun 19 22:11:35 <Exstatica> it should list the right ports to be opened
Jun 19 22:11:51 <Exstatica> flare576: i noticed i had to reboot my device to get iptables to reset correctly
Jun 19 22:11:51 <konsoleX> well that was easy to hide help/nascar/languages and other apps i never ever want to see again...
Jun 19 22:12:02 <rwhitby> did anyone capture what files have changed in 1.0.3?  we should be able to tell from the md5sums file ...
Jun 19 22:12:16 <mdklein> rwhitby: I'll put it on wiki
Jun 19 22:12:18 <Exstatica> yeah i got the file list
Jun 19 22:12:21 <ultraBlack> rwhitby: 1.0.3 is out?
Jun 19 22:12:32 <Exstatica> ultraBlack: yes, for about 3 hours now
Jun 19 22:12:42 <ultraBlack> Exstatica: out for download, yes?
Jun 19 22:12:51 <ultraBlack> to public
Jun 19 22:13:02 <ultraBlack> cool.
Jun 19 22:13:14 <sloppyjm> will webos doctor work on windows 7
Jun 19 22:13:33 <Exstatica> ultraBlack: yes, its on the update app
Jun 19 22:13:38 <konsoleX> sloppyjm: it should it is java
Jun 19 22:13:39 <ultraBlack> I found it
Jun 19 22:13:45 <Exstatica> btw, after i updated the first time, i got another update, same version, different apps
Jun 19 22:13:52 <sloppyjm> ok
Jun 19 22:13:56 <Exstatica> different size
Jun 19 22:13:58 <Exstatica> 2.mb
Jun 19 22:14:07 <flare576> Exstatica: odd, I have two dropbear processes running
Jun 19 22:14:17 <Exstatica> flare576: thats normal
Jun 19 22:14:19 <rwhitby> Can someone please do a diff on the md5sums file from the doctor with their current md5sums file?
Jun 19 22:14:30 <Exstatica> it uses one to listen, and the other for the current session
Jun 19 22:14:35 <rwhitby> (or someone pastebin md5sums from 1.0.3 will do too)
Jun 19 22:14:44 <flare576> Exstatica: cool, what should I be looking for with iptables -L ?
Jun 19 22:14:52 <Exstatica> flare576: the open ports
Jun 19 22:14:54 <Exstatica> like...
Jun 19 22:15:53 <Exstatica> er my sudo is broken for some reason
Jun 19 22:15:55 <flare576> first line is "ACCEPT  tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:222 (default for now, fix it later)
Jun 19 22:16:36 <lamontsf> flare: also do a netstat -an |grep LIST
Jun 19 22:16:38 <flare576> so, I'm guessing the device is listening... wonder if that DDNS server is hosed...
Jun 19 22:16:46 <Exstatica> do ifconfig
Jun 19 22:16:52 <Exstatica> and see if you can go by ipaddress
Jun 19 22:16:57 <lamontsf> that should prove that the sshd is listening on 222
Jun 19 22:17:43 <Exstatica> btw the second 1.0.3 update i got was....
Jun 19 22:17:46 <Exstatica> http://webos.pastebin.com/m6c9fa339
Jun 19 22:17:58 <flare576> lamontsf: "tcp   0   0  0.0.0.0:222  0.0.0.0:*    LISTEN
Jun 19 22:17:58 <mdklein> http://pastebin.com/m68d02b8f
Jun 19 22:18:04 <mdklein> that's filelist for me
Jun 19 22:18:31 <konsoleX> ultraBlack: should dedicate some fanboyism to some custom high-res backgrounds ;)
Jun 19 22:18:32 <mickdouglas> hey does 1.0.3 update kill anything?
Jun 19 22:18:35 <lamontsf> flare, does the ifconfig -a output for ppp0 show the same ip address that your dyn-dns returns?
Jun 19 22:18:46 <Exstatica> mickdouglas: nope
Jun 19 22:18:48 <konsoleX> mickdouglas: just ran it and no, nothing killed so far as i can tell
Jun 19 22:18:56 <rwhitby> mdklein: that's the filelist from the 1.0.3 update?
Jun 19 22:19:04 <ultraBlack> konsoleX: If I find the time, heh.
Jun 19 22:19:10 <mdklein> rwhitby, that's all the .ipks from /var/lib/update unipked
Jun 19 22:19:15 <flare576> Exstatica: just pulled the ip from ifconfig, can't ping that either :/
Jun 19 22:19:22 <mickdouglas> thanks for clearing that up -- I'm a bit paranoid.  don't want to have to redo any of the fine work you guys assisted in!  ;-)
Jun 19 22:19:28 <Exstatica> flare576: you won't be able to ping it
Jun 19 22:19:50 <rwhitby> mdklein: interesting, so /etc/profile *would* have caused problems
Jun 19 22:19:59 <rwhitby> lucky we got /etc/profile.d/optware there in time
Jun 19 22:20:01 <cphelps> flare576: what you want to know is if they are the same
Jun 19 22:20:39 <flare576> the DDNS and the ifconfig do match, yes
Jun 19 22:21:22 <cphelps> maybe your corp firewall is blocking?
Jun 19 22:22:18 <sugardave> erg, I don't have /etc/profile.d   .....
Jun 19 22:22:59 <rwhitby> sugardave: see step 18 in the optware instructions
Jun 19 22:23:12 <rwhitby> (it's only new)
Jun 19 22:23:34 <rwhitby> Exstatica: can you please check that the latest /etc/profile still executes stuff from /etc/profile.d/* ?
Jun 19 22:23:51 <Exstatica> sure
Jun 19 22:24:22 <mdklein> /etc/profile doesn't actually seem any different in the update... it's just one of the files base-files contains
Jun 19 22:24:23 <PullingJ> so should i move my optware from profile to profile.d?
Jun 19 22:24:32 <Exstatica> rwhitby: it does
Jun 19 22:24:32 <blau-mikedg> hey guys
Jun 19 22:24:34 <Exstatica> it works fine
Jun 19 22:24:44 <Exstatica> still reads all the profile.d files
Jun 19 22:24:44 <blau-mikedg> does 1.03 screw with rooting at all?
Jun 19 22:24:55 <destinal_> good call on the profile.d then
Jun 19 22:25:05 <mdklein> actually, I ran update and my old /etc/profile is still there. I'm wondering if that package bombed or if it just skipped that file...
Jun 19 22:25:28 <Exstatica> maybe we should update the topic to say that it does not mess up rooting
Jun 19 22:25:37 <blau-mikedg> yeah :)
Jun 19 22:25:39 <blau-mikedg> would be nice
Jun 19 22:26:17 <Exstatica> i can probably force a topic change
Jun 19 22:26:18 <destinal_> mdklein: I wonder if there's something in the ipkg updater that only updates changed files
Jun 19 22:26:23 <mdklein> nope, def installed the new base-files, must have skipped that
Jun 19 22:26:23 <Exstatica> if no one can make that change
Jun 19 22:26:34 <PullingJ> what do i need to do to convert from profile to profile.d/
Jun 19 22:26:40 <mdklein> base-files-3.0.14.2
Jun 19 22:26:56 <Exstatica> oh good, you can
Jun 19 22:27:06 <Exstatica> otherwise i was just gonna have chanfix change it :P
Jun 19 22:27:09 <destinal_> ie, does ipkg use hashes of files and just update files where the hash is different than the prev version?
Jun 19 22:27:32 <blau-mikedg> think im gonna doctor up then install 1.03
Jun 19 22:27:35 <mdklein> it shouldn't, however it could see you modified a file and decide to skip it
Jun 19 22:28:04 <konsoleX> i wonder if the iPhone folks are having as much fun today :)
Jun 19 22:28:07 <rwhitby> destinal_: depends on whether it is listed as a CONFFILE or not
Jun 19 22:28:12 <rwhitby> if it's not, it just overwrites it.
Jun 19 22:28:15 <Exstatica> damnit my sudo file is broken
Jun 19 22:28:23 <Exstatica> i apparently can't sudo anymore
Jun 19 22:28:27 <destinal_> ah, that makes sense then, as /etc/profile should be one
Jun 19 22:28:31 <rwhitby> if it is, then it interactively asks you if you want to keep, overwrite or diff.
Jun 19 22:28:50 <PullingJ> actually i never modified /etc/profile
Jun 19 22:28:52 <Exstatica> can anyone else sudo?
Jun 19 22:28:52 <rwhitby> but you wouldn't see that prompt on a Palm update, so I dunno what they do.
Jun 19 22:29:09 <cphelps> rwhitby: I suspect overwrite by default
Jun 19 22:29:16 <rwhitby> PullingJ: we never asked anyone to modify it in the instructions, for this reason.
Jun 19 22:29:31 <rwhitby> PullingJ: I only found the /etc/profile.d solution yesterday.
Jun 19 22:29:31 <mdklein> that's odd, I just manually ran ipkg install base-files to see what it would do, and that time it replaced my /etc/profile :-p
Jun 19 22:29:35 <PullingJ> when i installed optware, add to path wasn't in it
Jun 19 22:29:40 <sugardave> it overwrote my last /etc/profile
Jun 19 22:29:53 <mdklein> I wonder if my 1.0.3 update failed earlier
Jun 19 22:29:54 <PullingJ> did it make a backup?
Jun 19 22:30:00 <sugardave> np
Jun 19 22:30:02 <sugardave> no
Jun 19 22:30:12 <mdklein> no
Jun 19 22:30:13 <rwhitby> no, ipkg doesn't make backups
Jun 19 22:30:33 <rwhitby> that's why we're so careful about what we ask people to modify.
Jun 19 22:30:50 <rwhitby> (and how we name things, so not collide with Palm names)
Jun 19 22:30:51 <mdklein> ok, redownloading the 1.0.3 update... I'd just ipkg install the .ipks I saved, but I'd like to know if I need to webdoctor again (I already broke the app store once)
Jun 19 22:31:08 <mdklein> which was kind of handy to see the package signing stuff for those apps
Jun 19 22:31:49 <mdklein> I am kind of curious why app store apps are signed, but OS updates are not...
Jun 19 22:32:08 <PullingJ> because appstore could cost $$
Jun 19 22:33:01 <destinal_> and as a matter of policy it seems, they support unsigned OS images, so OS updates would make sense to be the same.
Jun 19 22:33:16 <destinal_> this is really good for us and I hope it doesn't change
Jun 19 22:33:18 * rwhitby wonders whether people with the SDK get updates in the emulator, or whether they get a new version of the SDK ...
Jun 19 22:33:50 <flare576> Exstatica: what happens when you try?
Jun 19 22:34:02 <cphelps> rwhitby: it makes sense that they would come right from the same place, doesn't it?
Jun 19 22:34:08 <mdklein> ooookay, my 1.0.3 update failed last time, which is why /etc/profile wasn't updated... this time it's actually running,
Jun 19 22:34:19 <rwhitby> mdklein: any idea why it failed?
Jun 19 22:34:45 <mdklein> it could be I forgot to tap the "launch update" button... or maybe cause I was poking around in /var/lib/update during the update
Jun 19 22:34:56 <mdklein> I swear I hit the launch update though
Jun 19 22:35:57 <mdklein> oh well, I'm in 1.0.3 now
Jun 19 22:35:59 * rwhitby wonders how he will get to see the updated files in 1.0.3, not having a Pre nor an emulator ...
Jun 19 22:36:21 * flare576 waves his hands around quickly "Magic?"
Jun 19 22:36:23 <aubilenon> rwhitby: someone'll figureout the URL for you
Jun 19 22:36:41 <aubilenon> I already downloaded mine unfortunately
Jun 19 22:36:52 <bpadalino> rwhitby, did they update the web doctor to be 1.0.3 ?
Jun 19 22:37:05 <rwhitby> bpadalino: didn't check, but I would doubt it.
Jun 19 22:37:49 <bpadalino> really? i'd think they'd always want that up at the latest update
Jun 19 22:38:02 <aubilenon> the release notes suggest it's super-minor, but even so, web doctor is how you revert if the update breaks everything
Jun 19 22:38:20 <flare576> bpadalino: my guess is they'd update it after the release is out for a while... just in case the patch is worse than the problem ;)
Jun 19 22:38:25 <Exstatica> spits out some error with invalid line 1, but i just got in via usb and developer mode, so i'm gonna see whats going on
Jun 19 22:38:44 <flare576> Exstatica: cool, was going to suggest just reinstalling the package :)
Jun 19 22:38:50 <aubilenon> bug:  large flames come out of the earpiece while talking on the phone
Jun 19 22:39:03 <flare576> aubilenon: solution: sticks and marshmallows.
Jun 19 22:40:34 <cphelps> flare576: are you sshing over ppp0 now?
Jun 19 22:41:04 <flare576> cphelps: nope, it's a corp firewall issue, though; Exstatica was able to hit the device via IP as well as DDNS
Jun 19 22:41:16 <Exstatica> fixed
Jun 19 22:41:22 <Exstatica> apparnetly it didn't store my username on the first line
Jun 19 22:41:24 <flare576> Exstatica:  horray!  long live sudo!
Jun 19 22:42:01 <cphelps> flare576: I suspected as much when you confirmed that both were the same IP
Jun 19 22:42:28 <flare576> yeah, only one way to test it though, and I always ph34r handing out my IP and stuff.  you guys rock, though :)
Jun 19 22:43:04 <Exstatica> i'm probably more trustworthy as freenode staff :)
Jun 19 22:43:12 <rwhitby> ok, so it's time for people to start distributing mods to Palm files as patches in our git repo, so that they can be easily re-applied after an update ...
Jun 19 22:43:50 <cphelps> rwhitby: You really think that's safe?
Jun 19 22:43:59 <rwhitby> cphelps: diffs, yes.
Jun 19 22:44:08 <Binarytech> ok heres a new one for you guys. any reason why i cant issue a "reboot" anymore? its been this way since i think after the winscp install but i never bothered to find the fix. i have to reboot from the device now.
Jun 19 22:44:15 <cphelps> rwhitby: I've been thinking the same thing, but diffs always scare me when we don't know what happened to the files to begin with
Jun 19 22:44:31 <rwhitby> cphelps: ah, I see what you're concerned about.
Jun 19 22:44:47 <konsoleX> ./sbin/reboot does not work?
Jun 19 22:44:52 <rwhitby> with a large community, any problems with diffs get sorted out quickly by the early adopters
Jun 19 22:44:53 <flare576> Binarytech:  sudo -i reboot
Jun 19 22:45:01 <Binarytech> lemme test
Jun 19 22:45:13 <cphelps> rwhitby: I just don't want to fuck my fellow hackers
Jun 19 22:45:14 <rwhitby> cphelps: so we just make sure that lots of the early adopters here have the perms to fix the diffs in the git repo directly.
Jun 19 22:45:25 <flare576> Binarytech: had the same problem, the -i brings in root's environment vars.
Jun 19 22:45:51 <rwhitby> cphelps: and it's unlikely that an incorrectly applied diff (with context) will cause you not to be able to ssh in and fix it
Jun 19 22:45:53 <cphelps> rwhitby: and maybe some kind of auto script to do it on an os image that can then be grep'd for collissions?
Jun 19 22:46:06 <rwhitby> cphelps: I'm thinking of using 'quilt'
Jun 19 22:46:18 <cphelps> rwhitby: what's that?
Jun 19 22:46:34 <cphelps> rwhitby: I've off of linux dev for the last 7 years and haven't kept up much
Jun 19 22:46:53 <rwhitby> if it works for Andrew Morton's kernel patch set, it should work here.
Jun 19 22:47:15 <rwhitby> cphelps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilt_(software)
Jun 19 22:47:26 <mdklein> so I see how the ipk updates are grabbed... I'm wondering if the token it uses is device specific... I guess i'll know whenever sprint has a phone to swap here
Jun 19 22:47:44 <Binarytech> ahh that worked thanks guys.
Jun 19 22:47:58 <flare576> np, godspeed Binarytech
Jun 19 22:48:15 <cphelps> rwhitby: Andy was always a good dev
Jun 19 22:49:22 <flare576> lets see if the corp firewall is just for port 222 or for SSH as a whole... I hope it's just that port or I'm gonna cry.
Jun 19 22:49:48 <cphelps> flare576: that would seem strange, but not unheard of
Jun 19 22:50:25 <Filefly> this new update has "teh snappy"
Jun 19 22:50:31 <Filefly> as those crazy apple folks say
Jun 19 22:51:08 <rwhitby> Exstatica: can you please check http://predev.wikidot.com/update-1-0-3-info against your list of update ipks?
Jun 19 22:52:15 <jblebrun> The new compass in the 3GS is cool
Jun 19 22:52:22 <jblebrun> Google Maps rotates to match your orientation
Jun 19 22:53:03 <flare576> jblebrun: can't argue, it's a neat little gimmick
Jun 19 22:53:08 <sugardave> yeah, a compass would be nice
Jun 19 22:53:10 <rwhitby> can anyone else confirm the updated file list in http://predev.wikidot.com/update-1-0-3-info please?
Jun 19 22:53:27 <jblebrun> Not cool enough to make me want to switch
Jun 19 22:53:29 <jblebrun> but it's pretty damn cool
Jun 19 22:53:48 <sugardave> haha, I know what you mean
Jun 19 22:54:04 <Binarytech> nothing about a locked up apple product would make me want one. :p
Jun 19 22:55:52 <rwhitby> can anyone confirm whether optware 'bash' works?
Jun 19 22:56:43 <destinal_> don't know, but reports are you shouldn't make it your default shell in /etc/passwd, :)   (probably an /etc/shells restriction)
Jun 19 22:57:34 <rwhitby> yeah, no /etc/shells on the device, right?
Jun 19 22:58:05 <mdklein> time to head home, later
Jun 19 22:59:42 <destinal_> rwhitby: not sure, can check when my phone finishes updating.  the person who tried it said they were getting auth failures when trying with the account that had /opt/bin/bash in it, so I assumed /etc/shells but don't know for certain
Jun 19 22:59:47 <jblebrun> meh. I feel like I"m getting a cold.
Jun 19 22:59:57 <jblebrun> Yes, optware bash works.
Jun 19 23:00:30 <jblebrun> destinal: Adding /opt/bin/bash to /etc/shells does indeed allow login with /opt/bin/bash as a default shell.
Jun 19 23:00:37 <jblebrun> destinal: Good call
Jun 19 23:01:02 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Right, no /etc/shells on the device, but I created one :-)
Jun 19 23:01:20 <Exstatica> whew got my no-ip updating now
Jun 19 23:01:26 <eno> there's also zsh/tcsh/rc
Jun 19 23:01:28 <destinal_> jblebrun: good deal
Jun 19 23:01:52 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Is there an appropriate place on the wiki to put that info?
Jun 19 23:02:02 <PullingJ> any downfall to mounting /medial/internall as my user? what about changing the umask and dmask and adding myself to the root group?
Jun 19 23:02:34 <Exstatica> got /opt/bin in the path now too
Jun 19 23:02:35 <Exstatica> thank god
Jun 19 23:02:39 <Exstatica> i got tired of typing /opt/bin
Jun 19 23:02:40 <Exstatica> :)
Jun 19 23:03:10 <PullingJ> well i guess it was orignally mounted with only root able to write to /media/internal so everything on the phone that writes there writes to it as root and can still write to it when it is 755 owned by me
Jun 19 23:03:40 <djbclark> FYI some new shell pages - http://predev.wikidot.com/dfbterm and http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm
Jun 19 23:04:29 <destinal_> djbclark: nice
Jun 19 23:05:01 <jblebrun> djbclark: Nice work
Jun 19 23:05:30 <jblebrun> djbclark: Now we need a script that launches it from the GUI ;-)
Jun 19 23:06:16 <PullingJ> which dynamic ip update method is the more popular?
Jun 19 23:06:37 <PullingJ> is there a way to add an "i did this mod" to wiki pages?
Jun 19 23:06:48 <djbclark> jblebrun: well first some keyboard remapping work - is there a way to run shell commands from custom apps (vs. from ajaxphpterm or webshell) yet? Guess that would need to be some javascript that calls the WebOS API...
Jun 19 23:06:48 <destinal_> jblebrun: you should be able to use a script called from within the ajaxphpterm to jump to dfbterm mode, yeah
Jun 19 23:06:49 <Binarytech> did anyone add the modification that keeps the phone from going into standy to the wiki page? i've registered last week when i made the change to add but still no access to edit
Jun 19 23:06:53 <PullingJ> so you could track what you did and how popular a particular mod is?
Jun 19 23:07:18 <jblebrun> djbclark: I had an idea to run a background service that listens for some special dbus signal
Jun 19 23:07:43 <jblebrun> djbclark: Then you could just write a simple webOS app that sends that signal.
Jun 19 23:08:05 <jblebrun> djbclark: And then when you exit dfbterm, it just restarts LunaSysMgr
Jun 19 23:08:14 <djbclark> I've also been looking into ways to multiplex /dev/fb0 - it looks like Xen has a patch, and there is also a plan 9 paper but haven't found related code yet. Best would probably be to port LunaSysMgr to work against directfb instead of fbdev directly, but not sure there is source for that.
Jun 19 23:08:41 * djbclark -> dinner
Jun 19 23:08:50 <destinal_> jblebrun: there are potential security issues around the dbus messages there -- specifically, if you make it able to run command lines, how do you authenticate the commands came from the user?
Jun 19 23:08:50 <blau-mikedg> hmm
Jun 19 23:08:53 <konsoleX> djbclark: I should buy you dinner for that! ;)
Jun 19 23:09:21 * konsoleX hides checkbook and whistles innocently
Jun 19 23:10:04 <blau-mikedg> gonna try updating my phone, hopefully it doesnt shit itself with my 960x960 pen ripple effect
Jun 19 23:11:09 <destinal_> jblebrun: or do you just map commands to specific command lines and assume any app can call them
Jun 19 23:11:41 <destinal_> ie a dbus signal of "fbshell" is bound in a cfg file to the commands to kill Luna and start the fbshell, and then restart luna?
Jun 19 23:11:45 <rwhitby> jblebrun: can you confirm whether 'quilt' installs and runs?
Jun 19 23:12:00 <destinal_> so worst case an evil app can only call things you have preconfigured?
Jun 19 23:12:13 <jblebrun> destinal: I just figured that each app you wanted to run would get it's own special listener.
Jun 19 23:12:36 <destinal_> I figured a general purpose listener that could send events to upstart would be best
Jun 19 23:12:56 <jblebrun> rwhitby: It's chugging along.
Jun 19 23:12:58 <jblebrun> ARGH
Jun 19 23:13:00 <blau-mikedg> jblebrun: you are really working on some cool stuff, good job man!
Jun 19 23:13:00 <jblebrun> PERL
Jun 19 23:13:02 <jblebrun> My Pre is dirty now ;-)
Jun 19 23:13:27 <rwhitby> jblebrun: ah, you discovered my nefarious plan
Jun 19 23:13:32 <blau-mikedg> I chipped my Pre somehow
Jun 19 23:13:33 <blau-mikedg> :(
Jun 19 23:13:33 <eno> the dirtiness is confined within /opt
Jun 19 23:13:47 <destinal_> jblebrun: can you think of any drawbacks with the dbus -> upstart listener idea?
Jun 19 23:13:50 <jblebrun> This was all a set-up! The Pre, the rooting, the home-brew community!
Jun 19 23:14:13 <jblebrun> destinal: I'm not sure what the effect on power would be, having a blocking dbus listener running...
Jun 19 23:14:17 <rwhitby> jblebrun: no, all that stuff was to get other people to do the stuff that I need before my Pre arrives in .au
Jun 19 23:14:51 <jblebrun> rwhitby: And serve as a great ambassador for the open-source community, along the way.
Jun 19 23:16:47 <jblebrun> rwhitby: The help blurb doesn't work, due to "column" missing.
Jun 19 23:18:22 <Exstatica> sweet, using bash now
Jun 19 23:19:50 <rwhitby> jblebrun: ok, but it runs fine?
Jun 19 23:20:54 <jblebrun> rwhitby: Seems to
Jun 19 23:21:10 <jblebrun> rwhitby: I'm not familiar with the command set (and help doesn't work), what's a good test?
Jun 19 23:22:23 <eno> jblebrun: column can be installed with util-linux-ng
Jun 19 23:22:35 <jblebrun> eno: Thanks
Jun 19 23:22:44 <jblebrun> eno: BTW, I ran into a minor issue compiling the cross tools.
Jun 19 23:23:06 <destinal_> bad thing about killing luna and doing fb things is the phone becomes a base linux box and stops being a phone..
Jun 19 23:23:16 <konsoleX> any info on how 3rd party apps are packaged for distribution from the apps store?
Jun 19 23:23:23 <jblebrun> eno: The quoting in the auto-generated version-info.h would upset gcc
Jun 19 23:23:27 <linuxkidd> 30
Jun 19 23:23:40 <mdklein|home> konsoleX: ipks that are signed
Jun 19 23:23:41 <eno> in the case of optware/cs08q1armel on x86, we just download toolchain binary
Jun 19 23:23:56 <jblebrun> Hm
Jun 19 23:24:16 <eno> the version-info.h issues sounds familiar
Jun 19 23:24:18 <jblebrun> That's what I thought.
Jun 19 23:24:25 <eno> i've seen it before
Jun 19 23:24:45 <eno> forgot how i solved it
Jun 19 23:24:55 <jblebrun> I just waited until the file got generated
Jun 19 23:25:00 <jblebrun> Ctrl-Zd the make
Jun 19 23:25:03 <jblebrun> edited the file
Jun 19 23:25:05 <jblebrun> then fg'd it
Jun 19 23:25:09 <jblebrun> There's probably a better way ;-)
Jun 19 23:26:39 <jblebrun> I wonder if it's just a difference in the way various gcc versions handle quoting...
Jun 19 23:27:09 <jblebrun> In any case, everything worked great after that.
Jun 19 23:27:12 <eno> jblebrun: what shell are you using?
Jun 19 23:27:16 <jblebrun> bash
Jun 19 23:28:38 <eno> jblebrun: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-01/msg00032.html
Jun 19 23:29:28 <eno> also does /bin/sh links to /bin/bash?
Jun 19 23:30:00 <djwhitey> well the update didn't remove my backdoor... that's nice
Jun 19 23:30:34 <eno> jblebrun: http://bugs.gentoo.org/123804
Jun 19 23:32:02 <deesugar> Ok I found a video where the Palm glow color is changed on boot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c46OIGkeU-I ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS?
Jun 19 23:32:02 <jblebrun> eno: Thanks
Jun 19 23:32:03 <retry> Youtube: I changed the 2nd image in the boot/shutdown logo, and this is how it turned out.
Jun 19 23:32:25 <blau-mikedg> deesugar: theres 2 images for the glow
Jun 19 23:32:33 <blau-mikedg> i think they just fade between eachother
Jun 19 23:32:42 <blau-mikedg> and the glow effect is from the fading
Jun 19 23:32:50 <jblebrun> Ahh, /bin/sh is linked to dash...
Jun 19 23:33:10 <blau-mikedg> search for *.png and view them all as thumbnails
Jun 19 23:33:14 <blau-mikedg> youll see the 2 files
Jun 19 23:33:52 <deesugar> Blau-mikedg: And just replace with modified .png?
Jun 19 23:33:59 <blau-mikedg> yup
Jun 19 23:34:07 <deesugar> Thanks!
Jun 19 23:34:11 <blau-mikedg> youll find a load of other fun images to change as well
Jun 19 23:34:34 <sugardave> and where would we find these?
Jun 19 23:34:34 <blau-mikedg> like the rippl effect, I changed mine to a 960x960 white image with about 80% opactiy with a black dot in the center
Jun 19 23:34:56 <blau-mikedg> now the screen flashes when i press it and the black dot shows me where i hit, very cool, but im examining performances issues before i post it on the wiki
Jun 19 23:35:09 <deesugar> Don't want to go to crazy in case I have to bring it into Sprint. By the way if I'm paranoid and want to revert back a rooted Pre is there a quick way to do that?
Jun 19 23:36:23 <blau-mikedg> use the doctor tool
Jun 19 23:36:27 <blau-mikedg> itll wipe it back to the basics
Jun 19 23:36:53 <deesugar> Sweet! Good to know. Thanks all and keep up the good work!!!!
Jun 19 23:37:22 <lamontsf> huh, 1.0.3 fixed my self-signed SSL cert issue for imap
Jun 19 23:37:50 <lamontsf> I'd imported the cert and run through the account setup like 10 times, but the first time I tried it after 1.0.3, it just worked
Jun 19 23:37:55 <lamontsf> so hey, Go Palm!
Jun 19 23:40:12 <imop45> Hi, i'm sorry but 1 millin people probably already asked you this but i'm having troub;e rooting my pre
Jun 19 23:40:42 <sugardave> you should probably go to #preguides
Jun 19 23:40:51 <sugardave> but, I'm about to eat dinner so can't help atm
Jun 19 23:41:01 <imop45> Ok, the dev wiki sent me to the channel
Jun 19 23:41:38 <sugardave> hmm, maybe I've misinterpreted :D
Jun 19 23:42:17 <Filefly> imop45: are you using talk.py?
Jun 19 23:42:26 <linuxkidd> imop45: What problem are you having?
Jun 19 23:42:28 <imop45> Well, let me just get to the point: I've already made a connection to my pre (i.e. used talk.py)
Jun 19 23:42:37 <Filefly> Okay, go on
Jun 19 23:43:21 <imop45> I had to use the regular CMD.exe though, as i con not figure python out. cmd.exe seemed to work and i got back a bunch of "Got/Expected" codes
Jun 19 23:43:35 <Filefly> that's what you're supposed to do
Jun 19 23:43:37 <Filefly> cmd
Jun 19 23:43:41 <Filefly> then in the prompt,
Jun 19 23:43:45 <Filefly> python talk.py
Jun 19 23:44:16 <imop45> I did this though, as python talk.py didnt do anything
Jun 19 23:44:21 <PullingJ> yay, got my ez-ipupdate working with hostnames on two different providers even
Jun 19 23:44:28 <Filefly> It did, if you got the got/expected lines
Jun 19 23:44:42 <Smashman> I've followed the instructions in the "Enable the Optware Package Feed" page, but I'm unable to ssh into my pre on any connection (bluetooth, wifi, ppp0)
Jun 19 23:45:02 <imop45> Got: '\xad\xfb\xca\xde\x01\x00\x00\x00\x02\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\r\n'
Jun 19 23:45:03 <imop45> Expected: '\xad\xfb\xca\xde\x01\x00\x00\x00\x03\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x08
Jun 19 23:45:03 <imop45> \x08'
Jun 19 23:45:03 <imop45> Messages: peer0_40 and peer1_40
Jun 19 23:45:03 <imop45> Sent: 'peer0_40'
Jun 19 23:45:17 * Filefly grins
Jun 19 23:45:33 <Filefly> don't need to paste :)
Jun 19 23:45:46 <imop45> wth.. I'm very sorry for that, only a small amount shon copied
Jun 19 23:46:44 <imop45> VERY very sorry! .. ok, so i CD the directory where the talk.py was in, and then just typed talk.py.
Jun 19 23:46:47 <Smashman> Does anyone have a minute to help me figure out why I keep getting a "Connection refused" error when trying to ssh?
Jun 19 23:46:58 <imop45>  My question is, how do you do the telnet cmd?
Jun 19 23:47:10 <Filefly> type it in at the prompt
Jun 19 23:47:17 <linuxkidd> imop45: You need to have your pre on your wireless network
Jun 19 23:47:19 <Filefly> telnet <ip address of your pre's wifi>
Jun 19 23:47:36 <linuxkidd> Vista doesn't have telnet installed by default...
Jun 19 23:47:37 <aubilenon> smashman: are you using the wrong port?
Jun 19 23:47:42 <linuxkidd> You may consider using putty
Jun 19 23:47:44 <imop45> But where do i run the telnet? It is on my wifi as we speak
Jun 19 23:47:49 <Smashman> port 222, as in the config file
Jun 19 23:47:50 <Filefly> Smashman: it's on port 222
Jun 19 23:48:02 <Filefly> imop45: in the command prompt
Jun 19 23:48:07 <aubilenon> then either you're using the wrong ip or dropbear's not running
Jun 19 23:48:12 <Smashman> yep, i'm specifying port 222
Jun 19 23:48:21 <Smashman> ssh -p 222 preuser@10.1.1.10
Jun 19 23:48:21 <aubilenon> what client are you using?
Jun 19 23:48:27 <Smashman> mac Terminal
Jun 19 23:48:28 <konsoleX> ps ax | grep dropbear
Jun 19 23:48:40 <linuxkidd> imop45: Are you running Windows or Mac ?
Jun 19 23:48:44 <imop45> I don't believe i have dropbear installed.
Jun 19 23:48:50 <Filefly> you don't
Jun 19 23:48:57 <aubilenon> 10.1.1.10?  that's your wifi address?
Jun 19 23:49:05 <imop45> Windows. I have linux installed also, but thats TBD on how to root the pre
Jun 19 23:49:16 <imop45> 192.168.2.2
Jun 19 23:49:22 <linuxkidd> Ok.. go download putty ... google for it..
Jun 19 23:49:22 <Smashman> that's the bluetooth PAN, I also have an ip for ppp0 and wifi
Jun 19 23:49:25 <Filefly> imop45: which windows?
Jun 19 23:49:25 <linuxkidd> Launch putty
Jun 19 23:49:27 <rwhitby> Filefly: are we ready to swap the instructions to novaproxy?
Jun 19 23:49:40 <imop45> Vista
Jun 19 23:49:40 <linuxkidd> select 'telnet' as the protocol
Jun 19 23:49:47 <Filefly> I've written them but they aren't wikified yet rwhitby
Jun 19 23:49:47 <linuxkidd> and type in the ip address of the pre in the server field
Jun 19 23:49:48 <aubilenon> smashman: does it work on wifi?
Jun 19 23:50:14 <Smashman> ssh isn't working on any connection
Jun 19 23:50:20 * rwhitby bbl (little league soccer)
Jun 19 23:50:44 <imop45> My comp ip address is 192.168.2.3 my pre's is 192.168.2.2. Does this seem right?
Jun 19 23:50:51 <Smashman> it was once, while i was novaproxied, but once I exited and turned off dev mode i wasn't able to get back in via ssh
Jun 19 23:50:59 <konsoleX> Smashman: when you run "ps ax | grep dropbear" what comes up?
Jun 19 23:51:07 <aubilenon> once you rebooted you mean?
Jun 19 23:51:20 <linuxkidd> imop45: Sounds feasible.. just depends on your network..
Jun 19 23:51:20 <Smashman> S<+  pts/0      0:00 grep dropbear
Jun 19 23:51:23 <Smashman> S<+  pts/0      0:00 grep dropbear
Jun 19 23:51:30 <aubilenon> you're telnetting in for that?
Jun 19 23:51:31 <konsoleX> Smashman: your dropbear isn't running
Jun 19 23:51:32 <linuxkidd> imop45: Did you download putty ?
Jun 19 23:51:33 <Filefly> imop45: sure
Jun 19 23:51:36 <jblebrun> So can we package up these framebuffer apps in the Pre optware repo?
Jun 19 23:51:55 <Smashman> hmm, that is an issue, so i didn't config the autostart right?
Jun 19 23:52:03 <nebula> jblebrun: which ones?
Jun 19 23:52:19 <imop45> Yes, putty is downloaded.
Jun 19 23:52:49 <Filefly> imop45: run putty
Jun 19 23:52:53 <aubilenon> smashman: looks like!  Double check the instructions against your configuration
Jun 19 23:52:54 <Filefly> in the address box,
Jun 19 23:52:57 <Filefly> put 192.168.2.2
Jun 19 23:53:04 <Filefly> and click "telnet"
Jun 19 23:53:08 <Filefly> then "connect"
Jun 19 23:53:08 <linuxkidd> then click 'Open'
Jun 19 23:53:14 <linuxkidd> or connect.. lol
Jun 19 23:53:15 <Filefly> is it open?
Jun 19 23:53:16 <Filefly> ok
Jun 19 23:53:16 <Filefly> lol
Jun 19 23:53:18 <linuxkidd> dunno
Jun 19 23:53:19 <Filefly> i don't recall
Jun 19 23:53:23 <linuxkidd> one or the other
Jun 19 23:53:36 <imop45> Its opened and just did a bad noise hold on
Jun 19 23:53:49 <imop45> connection refused.
Jun 19 23:53:57 <Filefly> okay
Jun 19 23:54:00 <linuxkidd> have you confirmed the IP address on the Pre?
Jun 19 23:54:01 <Filefly> make sure the pre is awake
Jun 19 23:54:17 <konsoleX> Smashman: if you type /opt/sbin/dropbear ??
Jun 19 23:54:24 <linuxkidd> tap the top left corner, tap 'Wifi' then tap the lil wifi waves to the right of the WiFi network you're connected to
Jun 19 23:54:32 <imop45> In the setup box i put my pre's ip add as the "host name"
Jun 19 23:54:50 <jblebrun> nebula: fbterm
Jun 19 23:55:07 <nebula> nice
Jun 19 23:55:11 <imop45> ok yes IP address is verified correct
Jun 19 23:55:16 <Smashman> konsoleX: not found
Jun 19 23:55:27 <konsoleX> Smashman: it's likely not installed
Jun 19 23:55:36 <konsoleX> Smashman: go back to the steps for installing it with ipkg
Jun 19 23:55:52 <jblebrun> nebula: nice?
Jun 19 23:56:03 <Smashman> my command to install dropbear looks like:
Jun 19 23:56:04 <nebula> yeah, useful.
Jun 19 23:56:09 <Smashman>  /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install dropbear
Jun 19 23:56:16 <jblebrun> nebula: I didn't do it yet... I was asking if I should ;-)
Jun 19 23:56:18 <imop45> linuxkidd and firefly: in on the putty configuration page again what next?
Jun 19 23:56:35 <jblebrun> I've got an ipkg cross-build env going, so I might as well do some stuff with it :-)
Jun 19 23:56:38 <Filefly> imop45
Jun 19 23:56:39 <nebula> sure!
Jun 19 23:56:44 <Filefly> make sure the pre is awake
Jun 19 23:56:57 <Filefly> and then do that again... ip address, choose telnet, hit open
Jun 19 23:57:00 <konsoleX> Smashman: does it work? you might try /opt/bin/ipkg-opt remove dropbear
Jun 19 23:57:04 <Filefly> if it fails, we try something else
Jun 19 23:57:24 <nebula> i spoke to the people in the pulseaudio channel.... didn't seem to keen on my hacking the software for the bitpool settings :(
Jun 19 23:57:26 <imop45> Ill choose telnet and yes its awake
Jun 19 23:57:33 <Filefly> okay
Jun 19 23:58:06 <imop45> Awesome castle login:
Jun 19 23:58:08 <jblebrun> nebula: Why not?
Jun 19 23:58:19 <doodums> how's 1.0.3 treating everyone?
Jun 19 23:58:26 <nebula> jblebrun: not sure... one guy didn't think setting the minimum value would help
Jun 19 23:58:28 <Filefly> type "root"
Jun 19 23:58:31 <Filefly> and hit enter
Jun 19 23:58:31 <imop45> Yes! I got logged in now
Jun 19 23:58:33 <nebula> i'm gonna try it anyways ;)
Jun 19 23:58:38 <Filefly> okay, awesome.
Jun 19 23:58:58 <imop45> SSH did not work, but a telnet connection did.
Jun 19 23:59:06 <imop45> Thanks everyone!
Jun 19 23:59:08 <Filefly> ssh will not work yet :P
Jun 19 23:59:10 <nebula> my plan is to tell the pre to use bitpool min = 59, bitpool max = 60
Jun 19 23:59:19 <rposa> I'm wondering if I shouldn't just go ahead and OS Doctor mine back to a known state .. since I'm an early hacker, and used the ipkg instead of ipkg-opt stuff ...
Jun 19 23:59:25 <Filefly> imop45: that's why you're doing this, to install ssh
Jun 19 23:59:30 <nebula> so its always high throughput
Jun 19 23:59:49 <imop45> Oh.. I thought telnet was a secured channel also?
Jun 19 23:59:56 <rposa> no telnet is insecure
Jun 20 00:00:20 <nebula> telnet = i can see everything you do
Jun 20 00:00:35 <linuxkidd> imop45: Everything you type ( including passwords ) travels in clear text across the network
Jun 20 00:00:41 <linuxkidd> in Telnet that is..
Jun 20 00:01:26 <imop45> Oh, then SSH will be great. Is it threats from a local source (i.e. someone who's in my wifi range) or World wode web access?
Jun 20 00:01:42 <imop45> wide*
Jun 20 00:01:55 <Filefly> right now it's simply that you don't want to have to do those steps every time
Jun 20 00:02:02 <linuxkidd> imop45: Anyone between you and where you're connecting to..
Jun 20 00:02:28 <imop45> So Google corp servers, etc?
Jun 20 00:03:30 <imop45> MY wifi is very secure, It has Mac address filters and it doesnt broadcast its name either
Jun 20 00:03:34 <sugardave> basically, anybody who can sniff the network you're using to connect could see your telnet traffic
Jun 20 00:04:01 <imop45> Ok, well lets get started oin the SSH. I'm listening
Jun 20 00:04:02 <Filefly> the point, imop45, is that you want to have a secure channel to connect with because it's simply a good idea
Jun 20 00:04:08 <sugardave> so, travel wifi spots, evdo, etc. are more of a risk
Jun 20 00:04:15 <jblebrun> nebula: recommend a good a2dp headset?
Jun 20 00:04:20 <Filefly> well now that you're in, you can follow the directions in the wiki.
Jun 20 00:04:43 <rposa> imop -- here...  http://tinyurl.com/nabw2c
Jun 20 00:04:52 <nebula> jblebrun: plantronics has some good ones
Jun 20 00:05:21 <imop45> Ok, thank you. Now in CMD.exe, what did you personally type to get telnet?
Jun 20 00:05:53 <sugardave> telnet [ip of pre]
Jun 20 00:05:55 <sugardave> that's it
Jun 20 00:06:24 <imop45> hmm, wonder why mine didnt worl
Jun 20 00:06:40 <sugardave> is it not finding the command or just not connecting?
Jun 20 00:07:20 <imop45> 'telnet' is not reconignized..etc
Jun 20 00:07:42 <sugardave> ah, why is it you have to run cmd.exe instead of 'Command prompt; or whatever it's called?
Jun 20 00:07:55 <sugardave> running cmd.exe won't set the environment properly, hang on a sec
Jun 20 00:08:36 <sugardave> do \windows\system32\telnet [ip of pre]
Jun 20 00:09:04 <Smashman> Ok, reinstalling has gotten it back.  I hope it stays installed this time...
Jun 20 00:10:23 <imop45> Hmm, could you copy the command lines in your cmd.exe
Jun 20 00:10:44 <jblebrun> ok
Jun 20 00:10:47 <jblebrun> it's beer o'clock
Jun 20 00:11:02 <Filefly> imop45: which version of windows?
Jun 20 00:11:13 <imop45> Vista sp2
Jun 20 00:11:17 <Filefly> that's why
Jun 20 00:11:21 <sugardave> oh, sorry, mine's xp
Jun 20 00:11:22 <Filefly> it doesn't have telnet
Jun 20 00:11:25 <sugardave> doh
Jun 20 00:11:40 <sugardave> you can download putty and make a telnet session with it
Jun 20 00:11:46 <Filefly> he has :D
Jun 20 00:11:48 <linuxkidd> imop45: Just use putty like you did before
Jun 20 00:11:55 <sugardave> cool
Jun 20 00:12:14 <imop45> What jerks. Oh well, not as bad as sony who takes away functions and feature with each new version
Jun 20 00:12:34 <imop45> I was just curious why cmd.exe didnt work
Jun 20 00:12:56 * sugardave is not up on Vista.  "I hate that shit."
Jun 20 00:14:10 <tmzt> imop45: your wifi might not broadcast it's name, but your information is still being broadcast in the clear (or near clear if wep) when your actually using it
Jun 20 00:14:44 <imop45> yes wep is basically useless
Jun 20 00:14:50 <tmzt> if anybody does see the mac address of one of the clients they can just use that later when you are not using it
Jun 20 00:15:03 <tmzt> so you use wpa2?
Jun 20 00:15:10 <imop45> Hmm, thats a good point. Yes wpa2
Jun 20 00:15:13 <sugardave> I can't go to WPA yet...one old machine with old-ass cheap wifi card
Jun 20 00:15:25 <tmzt> what os?
Jun 20 00:15:39 <imop45> Vista and linux ubuntu
Jun 20 00:15:52 <tmzt> what card?
Jun 20 00:16:23 <imop45> Broadcom 8130 (Hp laptop card)
Jun 20 00:16:25 <PreGame> I cant figure out why this dang toggleswitch isn't activating
Jun 20 00:16:30 <konsoleX> i was finally able to download a wpa2 enterprise certificate extracted from a .p7b file and access wifi w/the pre today @ work... w00t
Jun 20 00:16:35 <imop45> oh not to me sorry
Jun 20 00:16:55 <tmzt> cool
Jun 20 00:17:09 <sugardave> hmmm...can we do LEAP on it?
Jun 20 00:17:14 <tmzt> oh
Jun 20 00:17:23 <tmzt> sugardave: yeah that was to you
Jun 20 00:17:24 <konsoleX> i'm doing msChapv3 peap...
Jun 20 00:17:27 <imop45> Is it ok to just copy paste the cmds listed on the ipkg wiki?
Jun 20 00:17:28 <konsoleX> v2
Jun 20 00:17:37 <tmzt> most of them
Jun 20 00:17:58 <tmzt> the responses should have # in fron of them so the shell ignores them
Jun 20 00:18:07 <drnull_> gaffo|away: just wanted to recommend a possible workaround for your exchange problem (I had a similar problem and putting a line in /etc/hosts like this: "<ipaddress-of-mail.corpname.com> rdrc.corpname.local" might solve your problem)
Jun 20 00:18:15 <imop45> ok, i've work with linuxes and windows and cmds but forgot most of them
Jun 20 00:20:08 <imop45> So, which is recommended by everybody: Dropbear or SSH?
Jun 20 00:20:31 <sugardave> I use openssh, but can't compare because I've never used dropbear
Jun 20 00:20:32 <PreGame> sweet!
Jun 20 00:20:35 <PreGame> made a flashlight app
Jun 20 00:20:58 <imop45> Yay pregame! Using another app, or a standalone app?
Jun 20 00:21:09 <nebula> hmmm
Jun 20 00:21:14 <sugardave> nice...are we going to start packaging these apps for people to download?
Jun 20 00:21:17 <imop45> Firefly: dropbear or SSH?
Jun 20 00:21:17 <nebula> directfb seems to have come in the 1.0.3 update
Jun 20 00:21:21 <ShinAli> did palm fix the webcore patch yet?
Jun 20 00:21:29 <ShinAli> wait theres a new update?
Jun 20 00:21:31 <ShinAli> daaang
Jun 20 00:21:44 <nebula> i just tcpdumped it ;)
Jun 20 00:22:19 <nebula> the updates just seem to be a set of ipk's
Jun 20 00:23:26 <nebula> i'll dpaste the list
Jun 20 00:24:11 <imop45> Hmm, would it be possible to install adesktop interface, i.e. ICE KDE, GNOME, etc?
Jun 20 00:24:29 <tmzt> cool, this doesn't help with the core issue though
Jun 20 00:24:30 <nebula> http://dpaste.com/57414/ <---- 1.0.3 patch
Jun 20 00:24:42 <tmzt> yeah, should be if you can get X working
Jun 20 00:25:35 <imop45> THat would be neat to have a complete OS system running
Jun 20 00:25:54 <sugardave> it is complete :D
Jun 20 00:26:17 <imop45> I knew someone would say that
Jun 20 00:26:23 <nebula> i think it's great the way it is
Jun 20 00:26:32 <rposa> How do I run the WebOS doctor to restore my phone back to 1.02 ... if the phone is connected via USB .. and I turn it off, the doctor starts, then gets to 6%, the phone powers on and boots.  Then Windows says something about an OMAP device it can't find drivers for
Jun 20 00:26:33 <sugardave> precognizant, eh?
Jun 20 00:26:41 <Filefly> who is the wiki admin?
Jun 20 00:26:55 <aubilenon> It's disappointing and surprising that they don't seem to have the AIM power use thing fixed.
Jun 20 00:27:00 <konsoleX> luna is more exciting in a way than kde... programming in javascript is easier than QT
Jun 20 00:27:24 <sugardave> unless you don't know the first thing about it...my apps are going to suck :P
Jun 20 00:27:26 <imop45> FIREFLY: I used to know back b4 it was created
Jun 20 00:27:34 <Filefly> k
Jun 20 00:27:42 <Filefly> who is it now? i need a page moved
Jun 20 00:27:43 <Filefly> :P
Jun 20 00:27:45 <konsoleX> sugardave: better than if you tried to learn qt or gtk i would assume
Jun 20 00:27:57 <aubilenon> my weekend project is to figure out enough javascript to make a better calculator :D
Jun 20 00:28:14 <tmzt> rposa: wow, OMAP3?
Jun 20 00:28:17 <ShinAli> could i download the update and not install it?
Jun 20 00:29:00 <rposa> tmzt - omap3430 to be exact
Jun 20 00:29:03 <tmzt> imop45: try ubuntu for cortex
Jun 20 00:29:09 <tmzt> yeah
Jun 20 00:29:25 <imop45> Firefly: http://predev.wikidot.com/admin-contact but youd have to wait
Jun 20 00:29:40 <Filefly> thanks
Jun 20 00:29:42 <rposa> im flashing now .. even though the up-volume trick didn't do it the first time .. it did it the second
Jun 20 00:29:47 <imop45> "Please PM me at 'emkman' on PreCentral or EverythingPre for administrative issues. For any legal issues which you are authorized to act on the behalf of, you can contact compliance at emkman.e4ward.com"
Jun 20 00:30:02 <tmzt> I can't really help though but I guess doctor has to access a builtin bootloader or something
Jun 20 00:30:12 <rposa> got it figured :0
Jun 20 00:30:18 <rposa> Wasn't working like I thought it should
Jun 20 00:30:22 <rposa> but then a bit of fiddling :)
Jun 20 00:30:26 <imop45> root@castle:/# /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install dropbear
Jun 20 00:30:26 <imop45> Nothing to be done
Jun 20 00:30:26 <imop45> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Jun 20 00:30:26 <imop45> Collected errors:
Jun 20 00:30:26 <imop45> Cannot find package dropbear.
Jun 20 00:30:43 <tmzt> did you update?
Jun 20 00:31:15 <imop45> Yes i did
Jun 20 00:33:08 <imop45> Yeah i cant get past this part.
Jun 20 00:33:43 <nebula> haha, looks like the pre gets it's updates from a place two blocks from my work office
Jun 20 00:34:22 <imop45> Can someone help me
Jun 20 00:35:16 <hemna> got an early xmas present from
Jun 20 00:35:18 <hemna> Palm :P
Jun 20 00:35:59 <imop45> What did you get?
Jun 20 00:36:08 <konsoleX> i bet hemna has mojo
Jun 20 00:36:24 <sugardave> imop45, did you check the basics yet...can you ping a website (google.com or your choice) from your telnet session inside the Pre?
Jun 20 00:36:33 <hemna> shhh :P
Jun 20 00:36:40 <sugardave> nice
Jun 20 00:36:57 <imop45> How do i ping google.com..?
Jun 20 00:37:16 <imop45> ok yes i can
Jun 20 00:37:19 <konsoleX> imop45: i would ping yahoo.com they drop less packets
Jun 20 00:37:28 <sugardave> you're sitting at the command prompt on the pree, just type 'ping yahoo.com'
Jun 20 00:37:31 <sugardave> or whatever site
Jun 20 00:37:34 <imop45> Yeah google is stiiiilll going
Jun 20 00:37:58 <sugardave> control-c to stop it
Jun 20 00:38:10 <imop45> ok thanks.
Jun 20 00:38:28 <imop45> root@castle:/# /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install openssh
Jun 20 00:38:28 <imop45> Nothing to be done
Jun 20 00:38:28 <imop45> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Jun 20 00:38:28 <imop45> Collected errors:
Jun 20 00:38:28 <imop45> Cannot find package openssh.
Jun 20 00:38:29 <imop45> Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
Jun 20 00:38:31 <imop45> OpenSSh doesnt work either
Jun 20 00:38:52 <rposa> dont you have to do a ipkg-opt update
Jun 20 00:38:52 <tmzt> do you have a route?
Jun 20 00:39:36 <sugardave> rposa, I think that's it
Jun 20 00:39:43 <konsoleX> step 7 on the optware setup is really critical
Jun 20 00:39:56 <sugardave> /opt/bin/ipkg-opt update
Jun 20 00:39:58 <imop45> I did that update
Jun 20 00:40:31 <rposa> I dunno .. I re-flashed my Pre with the 1.02 and I'm going to update to 1.03 then do the root instructions (want a fresh install .. previously I rooted early on and am using the ipkg stuff)
Jun 20 00:40:50 <sugardave> yeah, then check optware.conf like konsoleX is saying
Jun 20 00:40:54 <rposa> Or maybe I'll do the 1.02 -> root -> 1.03  :0  either way
Jun 20 00:41:47 <cphelps> are there any bluetooth experts around that might be able to explain to me how the bluetooth PAN gets mapped to eth0?
Jun 20 00:41:49 <Exstatica> imop45: do me a favor
Jun 20 00:41:49 <imop45> Hmm, found an error made on step 3
Jun 20 00:41:49 <bpadalino> interesting
Jun 20 00:42:00 <Exstatica> oh, you got it then
Jun 20 00:42:09 <cphelps> I've been away from linux since before anyone was using bluetooth, so I am a little out of the loop
Jun 20 00:42:14 <bpadalino> cphelps, grep for BT-PAN
Jun 20 00:42:28 <imop45> root@castle:/tmp/ipkg# tar: can't open '../ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk': No suc
Jun 20 00:42:28 <imop45> h file or directory
Jun 20 00:43:02 <imop45> I'm sorry, step 4. Step 3 did fine.
Jun 20 00:43:03 <Exstatica> thats the install package
Jun 20 00:43:31 <Exstatica> do you have /tmp/ipkg?
Jun 20 00:43:36 <sugardave> did it download properly to begin with?
Jun 20 00:43:49 <imop45> Yes: ss/stable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk
Jun 20 00:43:49 <imop45> Connecting to ipkg.nslu2-linux.org (140.211.169.169:80)
Jun 20 00:43:49 <imop45> ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10 100% |*******************************| 74456  00:00:00 ETA
Jun 20 00:43:49 <imop45> root@castle:/tmp# mkdir /tmp/ipkg
Jun 20 00:43:49 <imop45> root@castle:/tmp# cd /tmp/ipkg
Jun 20 00:43:50 <imop45> root@castle:/tmp/ipkg# tar xvzf ../ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipkmkdir /tmp/ipkg
Jun 20 00:43:52 <imop45> tar: can't open '../ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipkmkdir': No such file or directory
Jun 20 00:44:10 <konsoleX> wget downloads teh file ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk (into the /tmp directory)
Jun 20 00:44:43 <Exstatica> no you got it wrong
Jun 20 00:44:45 <rposa> --->>   (7:43:48 PM) imop45: root@castle:/tmp/ipkg# tar xvzf ../ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipkmkdir /tmp/ipkg
Jun 20 00:44:51 <rposa> is your problem
Jun 20 00:44:58 <sugardave> you have an extra dir at the end of your command
Jun 20 00:45:01 <Exstatica> yeah
Jun 20 00:45:02 <rposa> if that's exactly what you typed
Jun 20 00:45:04 <Exstatica> it should just be
Jun 20 00:45:05 <imop45> I copied paste from the wiki
Jun 20 00:45:05 <Exstatica> tar xvzf ../ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk
Jun 20 00:45:09 <rposa> the line should end with .ipk
Jun 20 00:45:24 <Exstatica> read the wiki, it doesn't have that /tmp/ipkg at the end
Jun 20 00:45:42 <sugardave> it's actually a concatenated mkdir command stuck in the paste
Jun 20 00:46:06 <sugardave> .ipkmkdir doesn't exist :D
Jun 20 00:47:12 <imop45> Ah, i see. Ill copy paste each line individually
Jun 20 00:48:17 <Exstatica> yes, you should always do that
Jun 20 00:49:11 <Filefly> hey guys, i wrote up the instructions for novaproxy
Jun 20 00:49:56 <imop45> Yes, its looking so much better
Jun 20 00:50:05 <Filefly> lol,
Jun 20 00:50:10 <Filefly> did you see them?
Jun 20 00:50:12 <imop45> Hey, firefly, Dropbear or SSh personal choice>?
Jun 20 00:50:20 <Filefly> dropbear
Jun 20 00:50:27 <Exstatica> imop45: dropbear for sure
Jun 20 00:50:38 <imop45> No, no on my cmd line! sorry ltm havent seen them. SSH too clunky?
Jun 20 00:51:12 <Exstatica> more memory
Jun 20 00:51:24 <Exstatica> dropbear has a lighter footprint
Jun 20 00:52:35 <imop45> Ill look at novaproxy once done with the ipkg
Jun 20 00:52:44 <Exstatica> novaproxy is what you use to root it
Jun 20 00:52:55 <Exstatica> you're already past all that
Jun 20 00:53:42 <Filefly> novaproxy is a "better" way to get a root shell than talk.py
Jun 20 00:56:01 <imop45> Oh ok. The wiki is much more friendly than it was though.
Jun 20 00:56:34 <imop45> Why does the pre take so long to boot up?
Jun 20 00:57:03 <bpadalino> good question
Jun 20 00:57:04 <bpadalino> luna
Jun 20 00:59:16 <tmzt> cphelps: bluetooth is different on pre
Jun 20 00:59:34 <cphelps> tmzt: so it would seem.
Jun 20 00:59:34 <tmzt> CONFIG BLUETOOTH is not used from what I can see
Jun 20 00:59:46 <cphelps> It makes enough sense to just route through eth0
Jun 20 00:59:52 <tmzt> eth0?
Jun 20 00:59:59 <cphelps> yep
Jun 20 01:00:05 <tmzt> I thought that was wifi
Jun 20 01:00:08 <cphelps> granted, they should have called it wlan0
Jun 20 01:00:11 <imop45> And man i hate that you have to wait for the Batt to charge b4 the pre is allowed to boot.
Jun 20 01:00:14 <tmzt> no
Jun 20 01:00:22 <tmzt> oh
Jun 20 01:00:28 <cphelps> tmzt: bluetooth goes through there for a wPAN
Jun 20 01:01:27 <konsoleX> imop45: i took my pre into a sprint store for their jumper cables one morning... :(
Jun 20 01:02:08 <tmzt> bluetooth and wifi use the same netdev?
Jun 20 01:02:17 <Exstatica> i have to evetually exchange my pre
Jun 20 01:02:20 <Exstatica> stupid yellow spot
Jun 20 01:02:45 <bpadalino> it's just your eyes playing a trick on you
Jun 20 01:02:54 <Exstatica> i wish
Jun 20 01:04:01 <Exstatica> anyone know the url to log into your palm profile via the computeR?
Jun 20 01:05:20 <cphelps> New question, since I was wrong about bluetooth going through eth0
Jun 20 01:05:42 <cphelps> It's actually on bsl0
Jun 20 01:05:51 <konsoleX> Exstatica: this: https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface ??
Jun 20 01:06:06 <Exstatica> yes
Jun 20 01:06:07 <Exstatica> thank you
Jun 20 01:06:14 <cphelps> So how are the iptables routes working when they are specific for eth0?
Jun 20 01:06:29 <retry> how do you mean cphelps
Jun 20 01:06:35 <imop45> Yeah, I went to pickup my new cnetro from the repair shop and had them test my pre's battery. THey said it was short circuiting so i took it to the place where i bought my pre (a corp store) and they said "theres no way to test /those/ batteries so i partitioned and partioned and got a new battery and violla my battery lasts about 40% longer. Stupid sprint
Jun 20 01:06:53 <cphelps> retry: well, my routes are setup just like the wiki indicates, with only eth0
Jun 20 01:07:00 <retry> those are allows
Jun 20 01:07:04 <retry> default iptables is deny
Jun 20 01:07:06 <cphelps> correct
Jun 20 01:07:30 <retry> what's the confusion exactly?
Jun 20 01:07:37 <cphelps> so shouldn't ssh over 10.1.1.10 not work since hte interface is bsl0?
Jun 20 01:07:46 <imop45> Btw, centro batts work on the Pre, same 1150 mha same 3.7volts, same casing except for 2 little holes missing.
Jun 20 01:07:49 <retry> are you in devmode cphelps?
Jun 20 01:08:01 <tmzt> holes?
Jun 20 01:08:04 <retry> in devmode iptables has a universal allow
Jun 20 01:08:09 <tmzt> for touchstone?
Jun 20 01:08:12 <retry> i found this out yesterday
Jun 20 01:08:13 <cphelps> retry: no, but I'm rooted and ssh'd and sftpd and whatnot
Jun 20 01:08:27 <retry> cphelps type iptables -L -vn
Jun 20 01:08:36 <retry> maybe pastebin it
Jun 20 01:08:43 <imop45> Yes, the pre battery has two small holes in the plastic pieces that stick out.
Jun 20 01:08:52 <retry> lags 0 level 4 prefix `IPT_INVALID_PACKETS_DROPPED: '
Jun 20 01:08:53 <retry>     0     0 DROP       all  --  *      *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
Jun 20 01:09:03 <retry> this should be the rule at the end
Jun 20 01:09:09 <retry> if it's an allow, you're in dev mode
Jun 20 01:09:17 <tmzt> partitioned?
Jun 20 01:09:23 <cphelps> retry: nope, I'm not in dev mode
Jun 20 01:09:28 <cphelps> it's set for DROP
Jun 20 01:09:33 <retry> hmm
Jun 20 01:09:35 <imop45> Argued.
Jun 20 01:09:42 <retry> grep for a rule related to BT
Jun 20 01:09:43 <PullingJ> all the blogsites are posting that the centro battery has a different "chip" in it today.  messing with sleep mode on the pre
Jun 20 01:09:55 <PullingJ> i dunno if they are all trying to sell pre batteries or not
Jun 20 01:09:59 <cphelps> retry: I guess maybe the ssh server is just idling on port 222
Jun 20 01:10:09 <retry> sure it is
Jun 20 01:10:12 <cphelps> and enabling bluetooth and a PAN opens the ports
Jun 20 01:10:12 <tmzt> ok, is bs10 a bridge?
Jun 20 01:10:16 <retry> and it's bound to all interfaces
Jun 20 01:10:20 <retry> but iptables should block
Jun 20 01:10:20 <cphelps> not ports
Jun 20 01:10:36 <imop45> Hmm, what about older centro batteries? It worked fine on mine so screw sprint, screw the palm support
Jun 20 01:10:39 <cphelps> retry: right up until you pair and connect over PAN, eh?
Jun 20 01:11:01 <retry> # iptables -L -vn |grep bsl
Jun 20 01:11:02 <retry>     0     0 DROP       tcp  --  bsl0   *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0           tcp dpts:4444:4445
Jun 20 01:11:02 <retry>     0     0 ALLOWED_PACKETS  all  --  bsl0   *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0
Jun 20 01:11:09 <retry> here's my iptables rules for bsl0
Jun 20 01:11:21 <retry> 4444:4445 is open
Jun 20 01:11:26 <retry> er is CLOSED
Jun 20 01:11:28 <retry> everything else open
Jun 20 01:11:30 <retry> hmm
Jun 20 01:11:39 <cphelps> retry: That's what I am seeing as well
Jun 20 01:11:46 <cphelps> I'm ok with that, mostly.
Jun 20 01:11:52 <cphelps> I only use it in close spaces
Jun 20 01:11:59 <retry> so have you got your pre and PC connected over BT?
Jun 20 01:12:09 <cphelps> yeah
Jun 20 01:12:26 <retry> i guess the palm devs figured BT could handle the security of it
Jun 20 01:12:38 <retry> and not bother trying to open/close iptables in unpredictable ways
Jun 20 01:12:45 <retry> good observation though
Jun 20 01:13:02 <retry> if the bluetooth server is ever vulnerable to an exploit
Jun 20 01:13:06 <imop45> after i set up dropbear, how do i log in to putty?
Jun 20 01:13:09 <retry> best to keep it turned off if not using
Jun 20 01:13:19 <retry> you don't log into putty
Jun 20 01:13:30 <retry> you use putty to login to the pre
Jun 20 01:13:36 <imop45> Or do i log in using telnet and dropbear is automatically started?
Jun 20 01:13:49 <retry> telnet is the insecure version of ssh so to speak
Jun 20 01:14:02 <retry> so once you get ssh going you generally want to never telnet
Jun 20 01:14:07 <retry> and if you turn devmode off telnet is not available
Jun 20 01:15:40 <imop45> Log in using putty, sorry. It lists options on putty, "Raw" "Telnet" "Rlogin" "SSH" "Serial"
Jun 20 01:15:54 <retry> ssh is default
Jun 20 01:15:59 <retry> dropbear is an ssh daemon
Jun 20 01:16:10 <retry> if you followed the tutorial you need to just chnage the port to 222
Jun 20 01:16:17 <retry> then type in the IP of your pre
Jun 20 01:16:19 <imop45> Right, but i have connection errors on SSH still
Jun 20 01:16:25 <retry> oh?
Jun 20 01:16:29 <retry> like what
Jun 20 01:16:41 <tmzt> if there's a "vulnerability" in the blueooth daemon it's probably a root exploit
Jun 20 01:16:58 <tmzt> iptables won't do anything about that
Jun 20 01:16:59 <retry> yeah all the more reason to keep bt off when not in use
Jun 20 01:17:35 <retry> the cpufreq governor switch is not a bad option
Jun 20 01:17:40 <retry> I'm wondering how much juice I'll save
Jun 20 01:18:05 <retry> now that my phone goes down to 125mhz when idle
Jun 20 01:18:28 <retry> but the threshold tweak is absolutely essential
Jun 20 01:18:33 <bpadalino> what was it set to before ?
Jun 20 01:19:11 <cphelps> retry: who cares? in a couple of weeks we'll have a battery that will run for a few days at a time
Jun 20 01:19:24 <sugardave> ORLY?
Jun 20 01:19:26 <retry> bpadalino, stock pre is set to 500mhz at all times
Jun 20 01:19:28 <retry> no scaling
Jun 20 01:19:30 <tmzt> has anyone been able to rescan the wifi card?
Jun 20 01:19:39 <retry> cphelps, what are you saying?
Jun 20 01:19:41 <bpadalino> retry, very interesting
Jun 20 01:19:52 <tmzt> not networks but the actual card, reset it basically
Jun 20 01:19:54 <bpadalino> retry, you should definitely see what you can find
Jun 20 01:19:57 <retry> bpadalino, scaling definitely interferes with things like video playback
Jun 20 01:20:00 <bpadalino> i'd definitely be very interesting
Jun 20 01:20:04 <Sargun_screen> Anyone gone to 1.0.3 yet?
Jun 20 01:20:05 <cphelps> retry: no need to save battery by scaling when you have 2200mhA battery :-)
Jun 20 01:20:06 <bpadalino> very interested
Jun 20 01:20:07 <retry> it's on the wiki dude
Jun 20 01:20:12 <bpadalino> link ?
Jun 20 01:20:19 <PullingJ> topic
Jun 20 01:20:20 <retry> cphelps, sure but are you makign rumors
Jun 20 01:20:27 <Sargun_screen> bpadalino: mine, or others?
Jun 20 01:20:29 <retry> or is this confirmed that we all get free battery upgrades?
Jun 20 01:20:33 <imop45> root@castle:/etc/event.d# initctl start optware-dropbear
Jun 20 01:20:33 <imop45> initctl: (08350/304187011) Job not changed: optware-dropbear
Jun 20 01:20:33 <imop45> Is this bad or godd?
Jun 20 01:20:42 <retry> no it was already started
Jun 20 01:20:45 <cphelps> retry: no upgrade, you'll have to pay
Jun 20 01:20:46 <retry> what are you trying to do
Jun 20 01:20:54 <cphelps> retry: but I can't imagine NOT getting one
Jun 20 01:20:56 <imop45> Test my dropbear
Jun 20 01:20:57 <Sargun_screen> http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#103
Jun 20 01:20:58 <retry> well i don't want to pay
Jun 20 01:21:11 <retry> imop45, type ps aux |grep dropbear
Jun 20 01:21:22 <cphelps> retry: but it came with an 1150, man. Have you had any other palm phones?
Jun 20 01:21:30 <Sargun_screen>     *  If you create a weekday alarm on a weekend, the alarm sounds only on weekdays. Previously the alarm would sound on the weekend also.
Jun 20 01:21:31 <cphelps> retry: my 700p had and 1800
Jun 20 01:21:31 <retry> i had a treo 650 a few years ago
Jun 20 01:21:31 <PullingJ> prbly skipped the pkill step in the dropbear install procedure
Jun 20 01:21:33 <Sargun_screen>  HAHA
Jun 20 01:22:00 <sugardave> If a calendar event notifies you before your alarm goes off and you don't clear it, it won't play the alarm
Jun 20 01:22:04 <retry> PullingJ, even if youdid dropbear would happily listen on multiple ports
Jun 20 01:22:30 <PullingJ> not if it's already running from installing when you installed the package
Jun 20 01:22:33 <retry> all I know is that it pisses me off that if I turn the phone off at night to sleep
Jun 20 01:22:35 <sugardave> that happened to me this morning, anyway
Jun 20 01:22:43 <retry> but live system vol maxed so I can hear an SMS (as in there's a fire at the NOC)
Jun 20 01:22:47 <retry> leave*
Jun 20 01:22:56 <retry> the phone will beep at me that I missed a call
Jun 20 01:23:00 <retry> and sound exactly like an SMS
Jun 20 01:23:09 <retry> want sound OFF on phone notification events...grrr
Jun 20 01:23:23 <bpadalino> retry, good info on the wiki - you should link to it from the front page ..
Jun 20 01:23:31 <cphelps> retry: that sounds like something that can be hacked
Jun 20 01:23:36 <imop45> retry: Ityped it in a a bunch of things came back
Jun 20 01:23:38 <retry> yeah it does
Jun 20 01:23:55 <retry> imop you included the grep ?
Jun 20 01:24:03 <retry> should only seea bout 2 lines at most
Jun 20 01:24:06 <cphelps> retry: Not first on my list currently, but I would be willing to look into it.
Jun 20 01:24:08 <retry> maybe 3
Jun 20 01:24:20 <retry> cphelps, the camera has a hack to remove the trigger sound
Jun 20 01:24:30 <cphelps> retry: exactly
Jun 20 01:24:33 <retry> so i bet we could grep the phone app
Jun 20 01:24:36 <retry> looking for similar hooks
Jun 20 01:24:41 <retry> then again
Jun 20 01:24:48 <retry> if the phone simply passes the event to a global notifer agent
Jun 20 01:25:05 <retry> and that notifier uses same rules for all notifications (sms, messaging, etc.)
Jun 20 01:25:15 <retry> then it'll be a trickier hack
Jun 20 01:25:26 <cphelps> retry: might be harder, but I bet you can check the notification type
Jun 20 01:25:26 <sugardave> what package would 'groups' be in?
Jun 20 01:25:31 <retry> it's annoying to have to hack something so obvious
Jun 20 01:25:31 <PullingJ> I've found that if you have sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server in your sftp program you don't need to do any crazy remount of /media/internal as your user like the wiki implies
Jun 20 01:25:44 <retry> sugardave , sorry?
Jun 20 01:25:49 <cphelps> retry: there are a ton of oversights like that
Jun 20 01:26:00 <imop45> Yes its 2 lines . SSH doesnt give me an error but root asks for a password. I havent set any paswrds
Jun 20 01:26:15 <retry> oh you can't login with root over dropbear
Jun 20 01:26:19 <retry> if you use stock event script
Jun 20 01:26:25 <sugardave> shouldn't log in as root at ssh
Jun 20 01:26:27 <retry> use your unprivileged user
Jun 20 01:26:31 <sugardave> should log in as the other user
Jun 20 01:26:34 <sugardave> then su- to root
Jun 20 01:26:36 <sugardave> su -
Jun 20 01:26:38 <psykoz> logging in as root@ is a bad idea over ssh ;)
Jun 20 01:26:45 <retry> meh
Jun 20 01:26:47 <retry> on your own network
Jun 20 01:26:50 <retry> what's the big deal
Jun 20 01:26:52 <rposa> Sugar - the current wiki root instructions don't take care of su -l
Jun 20 01:26:56 <rposa> you have to sudo su -l
Jun 20 01:26:59 <PullingJ> i'm not logged in as root,
Jun 20 01:27:03 <retry> sudo su works fine
Jun 20 01:27:09 <rposa> retry - :)
Jun 20 01:27:12 <PullingJ> the sftp server is running as root as the wiki instructs
Jun 20 01:27:14 <retry> :D
Jun 20 01:27:15 <imop45> Ok, i see, I can only log in as the additinal user i vreated?
Jun 20 01:27:21 <rposa> imop yes
Jun 20 01:27:27 <rposa> security feature
Jun 20 01:27:29 <imop45> ok, great thanks
Jun 20 01:27:31 <retry> imop45, then after you do you can sudo up to root
Jun 20 01:27:31 <rposa> you do not want to login as root
Jun 20 01:27:38 <retry> or just one off cmds with sudo
Jun 20 01:27:49 <retry> but that gets tedious when you're doing something non trivial
Jun 20 01:28:03 <sugardave> why does everyone hateon su so much?  dang
Jun 20 01:28:08 <tmzt> sudo -s
Jun 20 01:28:32 <tmzt> because it requires having a root password
Jun 20 01:28:38 <tmzt> sudo doesn't
Jun 20 01:28:50 <rposa> where's that awesome phone grey background .. that ok rom comes thread is HUGE
Jun 20 01:28:53 <imop45> My unpriviledged user password isnt working..
Jun 20 01:29:33 <rposa> imop are you using putty
Jun 20 01:29:38 <imop45> Yes putty
Jun 20 01:29:42 <rposa> did you put in root as the username when you made the connection
Jun 20 01:29:46 <rposa> or your unpriv
Jun 20 01:29:51 <imop45> No, my username
Jun 20 01:29:59 <imop45> my unpriv yes
Jun 20 01:30:12 <rposa> did you type it correctly when you put in the password during the first process
Jun 20 01:30:56 <imop45> I see what i did wrong, yeah the passwrd i misspelt
Jun 20 01:31:34 <imop45> Hmm, maybe not, still nothing.
Jun 20 01:32:18 <imop45> Anyway to log in under telnet, delete/dit the unpriv users and redo it?
Jun 20 01:32:34 <tmzt> no
Jun 20 01:32:40 <tmzt> passwd (user)
Jun 20 01:32:45 <PullingJ> no passwd privlegedusername
Jun 20 01:33:06 <tmzt> use novaproxy unless telnet is still listening
Jun 20 01:33:18 <PullingJ> reccommend getting puttygen and setting up public key auth after that
Jun 20 01:33:19 <imop45> telnet is ok
Jun 20 01:33:22 <PullingJ> is that in the wiki?
Jun 20 01:34:23 <imop45> Anyway to add another user then?
Jun 20 01:34:39 <PullingJ> doesn't look like it.  Maybe I'll type up public key instructions later.
Jun 20 01:34:47 <PullingJ> adduser again if you really want to
Jun 20 01:35:20 <PullingJ> or useradd or whatever the instructions said
Jun 20 01:36:06 <tmzt> or just edit /etc/passwd
Jun 20 01:37:09 <imop45> Yeah, access is denied still, so if i can edit the password under root that'lll be great
Jun 20 01:37:58 <PullingJ> login as root through telnet or novaproxy and issue the command passwd username
Jun 20 01:38:27 <Tydog992> so is the update breaking any of dropbear installs?
Jun 20 01:39:24 <imop45> ok, checking to see if i can login now
Jun 20 01:39:37 <sugardave> I think the topic's been updated, but I don't think anybody is having issues.
Jun 20 01:40:08 <imop45> THanks a lot! Works now
Jun 20 01:40:13 <hemna> oh we got an update?
Jun 20 01:40:24 <sugardave> 1.0.3, yep
Jun 20 01:40:28 <Tydog992> yeah apparenlty just saw it on the web
Jun 20 01:40:31 <Exstatica> i think its time to cross compile privoxy
Jun 20 01:41:53 <hemna> my pre still says 1.0.2
Jun 20 01:41:58 <hemna> anyone get 1.0.3 yet?
Jun 20 01:42:05 <imop45> I got 1.0.3
Jun 20 01:42:19 <hemna> did the ui say anything when it was getting the update?
Jun 20 01:42:20 <cphelps> Anyone else enabled the Data Transfer app?
Jun 20 01:42:27 <imop45> People have said its faster, but i think thats just the placebo effect talking.
Jun 20 01:42:50 <sugardave> I just went to 'updates' and forced mine
Jun 20 01:43:37 <imop45> It doesn't seem to change much like the AIM battery drain problem
Jun 20 01:44:16 <hemna> any new features?
Jun 20 01:44:16 <Exstatica> I can go usually a full day and end the night with about 20%
Jun 20 01:44:20 <Exstatica> i use gmail, and aim
Jun 20 01:44:24 <Exstatica> sync with 2 exchange servers
Jun 20 01:44:30 <Exstatica> facebook, and gmail
Jun 20 01:44:32 <hemna> pulling the update down now
Jun 20 01:44:34 <imop45> No new features really, just fixes.
Jun 20 01:44:44 <Exstatica> pretty heavy browsing too
Jun 20 01:45:06 <imop45> Mine lastes from 8 am to 4 pm then its to 20%
Jun 20 01:45:27 <cphelps> imop45: low signal area or anything else like that?
Jun 20 01:45:40 <hemna> my battery was at 60% last night when I went to bed...this am...dead
Jun 20 01:46:18 <imop45> My pre has had bad battery life since the begining. The first batt was shortcircuiting, and the new batt is about 30% better. My school has low signal yes, but i shut it off.
Jun 20 01:46:36 <Exstatica> gonna leave the office here in a few with a full charge, gonna do some bluetooth headphones with pandora streaming on the way home, we'll see how long it lassts
Jun 20 01:46:39 <Exstatica> got 2 hours
Jun 20 01:47:05 <Exstatica> i love my jaybird headphones
Jun 20 01:47:07 <sugardave> anybody got a redhat or other rpm system they can check something for me?
Jun 20 01:47:17 <cphelps> Exstatica: just remember, some hacker could drive along next to you and hack your SSH
Jun 20 01:47:25 <Exstatica> good luck
Jun 20 01:47:25 <hemna> installing 1.0.3 now
Jun 20 01:47:31 <Exstatica> 8096bit key
Jun 20 01:47:43 <imop45> correction, i turn it onto Airplane mode. Pandora sucks up about 10% every 20 mins
Jun 20 01:48:06 <hemna> 10% every 20 minutes!
Jun 20 01:48:20 <Exstatica> its pretty solid evdo streaming
Jun 20 01:48:25 <sugardave> I ran Pandora for a couple hours yesterday and it only at about 30% of the battery
Jun 20 01:48:28 <konsoleX> pre battery life is abysmal
Jun 20 01:48:28 <retry> wrote a bash install guide
Jun 20 01:48:29 <retry> http://predev.wikidot.com/bash-installing
Jun 20 01:48:37 <sugardave> oh, I was on wifi, though
Jun 20 01:48:38 <PullingJ> sugardave, what do you need from the rpm system?
Jun 20 01:48:47 <retry> konsoleX you can turn cpu scaling on
Jun 20 01:48:50 <konsoleX> my 755p can sit around doing nothing for several days (extended battery, mind you)
Jun 20 01:49:02 <retry> konsoleX turn on cpu scaling
Jun 20 01:49:04 <Stik> I can play pandora for 8 hours and still have around 10-15% battery left at end of workday... That is on wi-fi
Jun 20 01:49:05 <imop45> I heard something about a new biger battery?
Jun 20 01:49:10 <PullingJ> I have an old
Jun 20 01:49:10 <PullingJ> 3l33t:~$ rpm --version
Jun 20 01:49:10 <retry> you'll get a lot more life especially at idle
Jun 20 01:49:10 <PullingJ> RPM version 4.0.4
Jun 20 01:49:55 <imop45> Heeelllll no, not me. My phone can sit doing nothing and have 10-15% remainging. Dont use aim with, only connection is email every 12 hours
Jun 20 01:49:59 <retry> sugardave, I got a fedora core 8 system lying around
Jun 20 01:50:02 <retry> what do you need to know?
Jun 20 01:50:14 <cphelps> imop45: something else is wrong
Jun 20 01:50:15 <Stik> that sucks lol
Jun 20 01:50:28 <cphelps> some background application or such
Jun 20 01:50:28 <retry> bad batteries are nothing new
Jun 20 01:51:00 <imop45> Yeah, no kidding. My first batt was defective, my first pre in the store was defective too. Couldnt even activate
Jun 20 01:51:38 <cphelps> imop45: We should start putting reports like that on the wiki to generate stats
Jun 20 01:51:48 <imop45> Well, sometimes i need to reset my pre b/c certain things wont work, like keyboard backlighting, sounds, etc. Same with ya'll?
Jun 20 01:52:05 <cphelps> imop45: nope
Jun 20 01:53:18 <Stik> pulling up my camera has locked my phone a couple times... Also my phone gets hot charging on car charger but when charging usb it stays cool... Other than those couple things mine really has no issues...
Jun 20 01:53:34 <hemna> 1.0.3 installed
Jun 20 01:54:02 <imop45> Well, maybe a defective pre too. I hate to go to sprint though, that one guy tries to BS stuff. He even said my pre was bricked b/c i put a centro battery in it, b/c when he put in a "charged" battery the little cord with a question mark symbol came up. Idiot, the battery is dead
Jun 20 01:54:37 <imop45> Yes we should do that. Make a little questionaire "Is your Palm Pre normal?"
Jun 20 01:55:06 <cphelps> imop45: I had to drive 3 hours to get mine, but the lady running that store was on top of her shit
Jun 20 01:55:10 <furan> heh the pre and centro batteries are the same
Jun 20 01:55:20 <cphelps> She'd had one for over a week at launch
Jun 20 01:55:25 <furan> what kind of dumbass sells the things and doesn't know that
Jun 20 01:55:31 <furan> the rep who sold me mine knew his stuff
Jun 20 01:55:42 <cphelps> furan: they are compatible, but not the same according to Sedio
Jun 20 01:55:57 <tharris> anyone found a way to link apps to backend OS commands?
Jun 20 01:56:06 <konsoleX> i have had to do a couple of resets for a few various reasons, sluggishness.. refused to find EVDO despite toggling airplane mode (i'm in the city, we have 3G... a lot of it)...
Jun 20 01:56:20 <Filefly> I ordered my phone online from sprint, and when I got it in the mail it was already activated and didn't put me through the palm profile setup. Anyone know how to do a full reset?
Jun 20 01:56:24 <PullingJ> the newest news on batteries today is the chip in the battery is different and the pre won't sleep right with a centro battery. I really don't buy it, but who knows
Jun 20 01:56:35 <furan> cphelps: well, different packaging a bit
Jun 20 01:56:41 <furan> but I don't buy not the same hardware wise
Jun 20 01:56:50 <imop45> He's a technician too. I went and put the centro batt in it and the Palm logo started and he had the guts to say "See, it only works on the battery now." I joke with the sprint store on the North side that the South side one would try to bs me about my pre battery.
Jun 20 01:57:01 <cphelps> furan: overcharging prevention or some such
Jun 20 01:57:29 <cphelps> imop45: clearly that guy is not someone you want to be chatting with
Jun 20 01:57:50 <PullingJ> http://www.precentral.net/psa-we-really-dont-recommend-you-use-centrotreo-800w-battery-your-pre
Jun 20 01:58:34 <imop45> THe ppl in the north side store are awesome though. THey let me even see the re a few days b4 the launch.
Jun 20 01:59:24 <imop45> WEll, the centro battery is harder to take out of the pre, but it lasted longer than my defective pre
Jun 20 02:00:57 <konsoleX> re: the scaling page... /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq#: not found
Jun 20 02:01:26 <tmzt> well, the chip thing could be correct
Jun 20 02:03:34 <imop45> Hmm, it might. The ore battery has a whole new sdk number but i doubt it will hurt it if say you use it one day or so. So is the pre getting a new battery?
Jun 20 02:04:29 <cphelps> Anyone screwing around with com.palm.app.streamingmusicplayer?
Jun 20 02:04:58 <rposa> Hey, can anyone see if they can get any of the streams at  kcradio.com to play more than 31 seconds ?
Jun 20 02:05:54 <konsoleX> cphelps: plz make it a downloading-while-streamingmusicplayer :)
Jun 20 02:06:33 <retry> sugardave was saying that winscp is hard to use with the pre because it expects to find /bin/groups
Jun 20 02:06:40 <imop45> im on kcradio right now
Jun 20 02:07:00 <imop45> Do i hit the big LISTEN button?
Jun 20 02:07:01 <rposa> imop - you listen to it ?
Jun 20 02:07:01 <retry> i wrote a fake groups shell script that will output the user's groups just like groups would if run without flags
Jun 20 02:07:08 <rposa> i'd guess :0
Jun 20 02:07:11 <retry> anybody care?
Jun 20 02:07:31 <retry> alright nm
Jun 20 02:07:38 <imop45> SFTP Access- should i do it?
Jun 20 02:07:54 <rposa> im not going to do it myself imop
Jun 20 02:07:55 <retry> it is satan's ftp
Jun 20 02:07:55 <cphelps> retry: isn't that only needed if we're not sudo'ing the sftp?
Jun 20 02:08:18 <imop45> I dont know what that means retry...sorry!
Jun 20 02:08:24 <retry> cphelps dude IDK sugardave said he's using winscp (not sftp) and it would work but nags for /bin/groups
Jun 20 02:08:29 <tmzt> it might be possible to add support for the centro battery in the kernel though
Jun 20 02:08:40 <tharris> anyone get access from mojo to backend os comands?
Jun 20 02:08:46 <cphelps> retry: I'm running winscp and it's fine
Jun 20 02:08:53 <retry> oh yeah?
Jun 20 02:08:59 <retry> well idk then what sugardave was on about
Jun 20 02:09:09 <imop45> I dont get why the silence button only silences somethings. It pisses me off.
Jun 20 02:09:49 <cphelps> ok, don't bother enabling the streamingmediaplayer, it doesn't do anything yet
Jun 20 02:10:30 <imop45> Also, another small thing that bugs me, the alerts show even if your in the application. (i.e. It shows 5 new messages, while i'm in the messaging app)
Jun 20 02:11:20 <PullingJ> winscp is working fine for me
Jun 20 02:11:23 <Exstatica> i just totally bricked my pre
Jun 20 02:11:36 <ShinAli> congrats
Jun 20 02:11:38 <PullingJ> i followed the instrucitons on the wiki. no issue about groups
Jun 20 02:11:40 <rposa> Exst - hows that
Jun 20 02:11:56 <Exstatica> good question
Jun 20 02:11:59 <PullingJ> SFTP access is nice because you never have to plug the usb into the phone again
Jun 20 02:12:08 <imop45> With the camera app, cant you just put it on vibrate to silence the shutter sound?
Jun 20 02:12:09 <Exstatica> somehow i locked out all executibles
Jun 20 02:12:17 <rposa> Exs - what did you do .. :)
Jun 20 02:12:19 <rposa> nice
Jun 20 02:12:20 <rposa> :)
Jun 20 02:12:23 <rposa> it's not bricked
Jun 20 02:12:32 <rposa> however, important question
Jun 20 02:12:34 <Exstatica> -bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied
Jun 20 02:12:34 <Exstatica> andrew@castle:~$ chown
Jun 20 02:12:34 <Exstatica> -bash: /bin/chown: Permission denied
Jun 20 02:12:36 <Exstatica> hahaha
Jun 20 02:12:41 <Exstatica> lets see if a reboot fixes
Jun 20 02:12:44 <rposa> sudo
Jun 20 02:12:47 <Exstatica> otherwise its webosdoctor
Jun 20 02:12:48 <rposa> sudo su -l
Jun 20 02:13:00 <PullingJ> sudo or su, or developer mode and root in
Jun 20 02:13:11 <Exstatica> no i got it as root too
Jun 20 02:13:17 <Exstatica> i was usb'd
Jun 20 02:13:21 <Exstatica> and same problem
Jun 20 02:13:25 <rposa> backup your pics
Jun 20 02:13:33 <rposa> and stuff and run the doc if a reboot no fix
Jun 20 02:13:35 <Exstatica> the few that are on there i uploaded
Jun 20 02:13:39 <PullingJ> did you do a chmod a-x or something?
Jun 20 02:14:02 <Exstatica> chmod 4550
Jun 20 02:14:21 <PullingJ> you were trying to suid something?
Jun 20 02:14:25 <Exstatica> yeah
Jun 20 02:14:42 <Exstatica> yeah its not coming back
Jun 20 02:14:46 <Exstatica> webos doctor here i com
Jun 20 02:15:14 <PullingJ> did you get your palm factory pic off of it?
Jun 20 02:15:26 <rposa> PullingJ - Mine didn't have one .. I feel left out
Jun 20 02:15:37 <tmzt> what's not coming back?
Jun 20 02:15:42 <imop45> Wat factory pic?
Jun 20 02:15:51 <Exstatica> its in a constant reboot
Jun 20 02:15:52 <Exstatica> haha
Jun 20 02:16:00 <imop45> tmzt: he bricked his pre
Jun 20 02:16:11 <imop45> Thats whats not coming back
Jun 20 02:16:19 <Exstatica> this wouldn't be hacking if i didn't break it once or twice
Jun 20 02:16:22 <retry> PullingJ, I prefer rsync
Jun 20 02:16:22 <rposa> exstatica - battery out .. hold volume up batt in, power button .. should get a lightning bolt
Jun 20 02:16:26 <retry> to sftp
Jun 20 02:16:43 <rposa> or possiby .. just batt out / in .. hold up -> pwr button
Jun 20 02:17:34 <rposa> imop - some pre's have a factory selftest picture .. where they took a pic in the factory
Jun 20 02:18:27 <imop45> Aw, i didnt get one. Ill google it
Jun 20 02:18:41 <rposa> how do you know you didnt
Jun 20 02:19:05 <cphelps> ok boys, heres the good stuff...
Jun 20 02:19:57 <imop45> Hmm, wait true. Where's the pic?
Jun 20 02:20:14 <PullingJ> it is on the wiki
Jun 20 02:20:35 <PullingJ> http://predev.wikidot.com/pictures-from-self-test
Jun 20 02:20:49 <PullingJ> there's a thread over at precentral of peoples pictures
Jun 20 02:21:36 <rposa> mine never had it
Jun 20 02:21:39 <rposa> :/
Jun 20 02:22:08 <psykoz> My picture was of pre's with their backplate off
Jun 20 02:22:17 <psykoz> sitting on top of their boxes
Jun 20 02:22:22 <PullingJ> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/186290-post-your-pres-self-test-image.html
Jun 20 02:22:47 <PullingJ> one guy had a picture of his girlfriend's pre running a test
Jun 20 02:23:01 <imop45> for the sfpt, the visudo cmd has been like this for over 5 mins: /opt/etc/sudoers.tmp 1/32 3%
Jun 20 02:25:01 <Exstatica> no lighting bolt
Jun 20 02:25:05 <ProtossEX> hello
Jun 20 02:25:47 <ProtossEX> anybody able to root the pre
Jun 20 02:26:10 <imop45> Root it..? Uh no, where id you hear that?
Jun 20 02:26:18 <ProtossEX> http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jun 20 02:26:23 <ProtossEX> said to goto this channel
Jun 20 02:26:32 <Exstatica> fuck, my phone is dead
Jun 20 02:26:39 <imop45> Ok ok, im joking, what do you need help on?
Jun 20 02:26:56 <ProtossEX> i was just curios if the talk.py script works with vista
Jun 20 02:26:58 <rposa> Ex - what are you trying to do .. (i know. flash it .. but what steps)
Jun 20 02:27:13 <ProtossEX> i was trying to run a python script
Jun 20 02:27:35 <ProtossEX> from python 2.5.2 using the script
Jun 20 02:27:39 <rposa> Wow, sorry ProtossEX i was talking to Exstatica
Jun 20 02:27:45 <ProtossEX> oh ok
Jun 20 02:27:53 <Exstatica> it keeps rebooting before it can install the driver
Jun 20 02:27:54 <ProtossEX> my mistake
Jun 20 02:28:05 <Exstatica> i tried holding up and power
Jun 20 02:28:13 <rposa> exst -- it has to be OFF
Jun 20 02:28:13 <rposa> first
Jun 20 02:28:19 <Exstatica> yeah removed the battery
Jun 20 02:28:38 <Exstatica> battery is out
Jun 20 02:28:53 <rposa> usb plugged in
Jun 20 02:28:57 <Exstatica> no
Jun 20 02:29:02 <rposa> y
Jun 20 02:29:06 <Exstatica> ok it is now
Jun 20 02:29:07 <ShinAli> i think there's a new chapter on the orielly book
Jun 20 02:29:18 <Exstatica> big huge ? with a battery
Jun 20 02:29:34 <ShinAli> nope nevermind
Jun 20 02:29:47 <ShinAli> it got updated though?
Jun 20 02:30:29 <rposa> Exstatica: Ok do this.  Unplug.  batt out.  Batt in.  Hold volume up.  plug in usb
Jun 20 02:30:30 <imop45> Ok, use python 2.6.1
Jun 20 02:30:33 <rposa> get lightning bolt
Jun 20 02:30:38 <rposa> start webos doctor
Jun 20 02:30:47 <rposa> follow it's instructions
Jun 20 02:30:50 <sloppyjm> extasia: what os are you useing
Jun 20 02:30:55 <Exstatica> i think i got into bootie
Jun 20 02:31:05 <Exstatica> got it
Jun 20 02:31:16 <Exstatica> here are the better instructions
Jun 20 02:31:30 <Exstatica> remove battery, plug in usb
Jun 20 02:31:39 <Exstatica> you should see a huge giant battery with a ? in it
Jun 20 02:31:50 <imop45> Yes it works with Vista, but telnet does not
Jun 20 02:31:52 <Exstatica> hold the up key, and put in the battery
Jun 20 02:31:55 <Kaerey> So... I've got 1.46lbs of Ground Beef, a kitchen full of staples and a Palm Pre. What do I do?
Jun 20 02:31:55 <sloppyjm> write a tutorial ex
Jun 20 02:32:08 <Exstatica> will do
Jun 20 02:32:10 <sloppyjm> go on oyur pre and google it
Jun 20 02:32:15 <Exstatica> damn what a pain
Jun 20 02:32:27 <Exstatica> don't suid anything on your pre
Jun 20 02:32:29 <retry> write an app that uses cpu scaling to push the pre up beyond 500mhz
Jun 20 02:32:30 <ProtossEX> what about cygwin telent
Jun 20 02:32:32 <retry> generate a bunch of heat
Jun 20 02:32:36 <furan> Kaerey: what would macgyver do?
Jun 20 02:32:37 <retry> and cook your ground beef
Jun 20 02:32:43 <sloppyjm> dude lets overclock our pres man
Jun 20 02:32:44 <ProtossEX> cygwin telnet
Jun 20 02:32:47 <ProtossEX> or should i use a vm
Jun 20 02:32:54 <retry> you dont even have to overclock the pre
Jun 20 02:32:54 <imop45> Im not sure, but download putty. Google it
Jun 20 02:32:59 <furan> how about you just get your pres to actually use the 2d acceleration
Jun 20 02:32:59 <sugardave> my cygwin is actually using windows telnet
Jun 20 02:33:01 <Kaerey> I think MacGyver would tell his wife to cook him a samich.
Jun 20 02:33:01 <sloppyjm> proto use putty
Jun 20 02:33:05 <retry> it's fixed below the cpu capabilities
Jun 20 02:33:06 <konsoleX> i just soldered 1gb ram onto my pre and now it runs crysis
Jun 20 02:33:09 <imop45> Ok, what have you done so far Proto?
Jun 20 02:33:11 <retry> you can just raise it with frequency scaling
Jun 20 02:33:12 <ProtossEX> i have putty but ssh isnt enabled yet
Jun 20 02:33:13 <Kaerey> while he continues to look at code.
Jun 20 02:33:14 <retry> but you'll cook the thing
Jun 20 02:33:19 <ProtossEX> or im unsure if ssh is unabled
Jun 20 02:33:23 <sloppyjm> oh then just use telenet on putty
Jun 20 02:33:59 <sloppyjm> Proto can u telenet in to root?
Jun 20 02:34:12 <imop45> You can use SSH, yes. Use telnet untill Dropbear is configured and you have created an unpriviledged user
Jun 20 02:34:41 <sloppyjm> Follow theis Proto after u root it and get in via telenet
Jun 20 02:34:43 <sloppyjm> http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository
Jun 20 02:34:55 <ProtossEX> i havnt rooted it yet
Jun 20 02:35:01 <ProtossEX> im stuck on the python step
Jun 20 02:35:11 <sloppyjm> Oh ok what os are you in
Jun 20 02:35:13 <Exstatica> damnit, now i have to reroot, and update all my iptables, and ssh
Jun 20 02:35:15 <ProtossEX> vista 32
Jun 20 02:35:17 <Exstatica> pain in the ass
Jun 20 02:35:31 <Rick__> Backups.
Jun 20 02:35:36 <Exstatica> the restore process takes a long long time btw
Jun 20 02:35:38 <imop45> Ok, qhat EXACTLY hav you done proto?
Jun 20 02:35:39 <Exstatica> its at 40%
Jun 20 02:35:41 <Rick__> dd is on there....
Jun 20 02:35:45 <sloppyjm> what hapens when u try and run talk.py
Jun 20 02:35:51 <cphelps> I anyone in here running the 'New Cards For Each Messaging Conversation ' hack?
Jun 20 02:35:52 <rposa> Exstatica: I did the WebOS Doctor today .. on purpose
Jun 20 02:35:55 <rposa> I was an early rooter
Jun 20 02:35:57 <imop45> You can do it from vista, dont worry
Jun 20 02:36:06 <ProtossEX> i am trying to get the output error to paist
Jun 20 02:36:09 <ProtossEX> one second
Jun 20 02:36:29 <rposa> so ... decided to re-root and update to 1.03 then re-do my hacks
Jun 20 02:36:32 <sloppyjm> Proto is iit in dev mode ?
Jun 20 02:36:40 <Kaerey> did  you install the novacomd driver from the webOS Dr. and then REBOOT your System or Ensure that Novacomd is started in the windows services?
Jun 20 02:37:16 <sugardave> "is it plugged in, sir?"
Jun 20 02:37:19 <ProtossEX> C:\Python26>python C:\pre\subversion\talk.py
Jun 20 02:37:19 <ProtossEX> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 20 02:37:19 <ProtossEX>   File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 48, in <module>
Jun 20 02:37:19 <ProtossEX>     port = getport()
Jun 20 02:37:19 <ProtossEX>   File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 27, in getport
Jun 20 02:37:20 <ProtossEX>     return int(portnum)
Jun 20 02:37:22 <ProtossEX> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 20 02:37:26 <ProtossEX> is the error im getting
Jun 20 02:37:26 <bpadalino> INVALID
Jun 20 02:37:32 <Kaerey> Protossex: reboot
Jun 20 02:37:38 <ProtossEX> pc or phone
Jun 20 02:37:44 <Kaerey> pc
Jun 20 02:37:47 <imop45> Ok, yeah thats where i got stuck to. Press start and type cmd and start it
Jun 20 02:37:49 <sloppyjm> Ok proto: did u put ur pohnme in dev mode
Jun 20 02:37:51 <Exstatica> rposa: oh took the profile.d meathod?
Jun 20 02:37:53 <Exstatica> method?
Jun 20 02:37:55 <ProtossEX> yes
Jun 20 02:37:55 <imop45> No dont reboot
Jun 20 02:38:11 <ProtossEX> i typed the konami kode
Jun 20 02:38:13 <imop45> Ok, use vista's CMD
Jun 20 02:38:14 <ProtossEX> and it rebooted
Jun 20 02:38:20 <retry> ProtossEX, pull the phone off the usb
Jun 20 02:38:21 <retry> and replug
Jun 20 02:38:24 <retry> when you get choices
Jun 20 02:38:24 <sloppyjm>  proto did u run cmd in admin
Jun 20 02:38:26 <retry> say charge only
Jun 20 02:38:30 <retry> and try talk.py again
Jun 20 02:38:37 <retry> if it fails, try one more time
Jun 20 02:38:41 <retry> if still fails reboot the pre
Jun 20 02:38:48 <retry> also you DO have devmode ON right?
Jun 20 02:38:52 <ProtossEX> yeah
Jun 20 02:38:55 <sugardave> "my computer keeps calling me an invalid!"
Jun 20 02:38:56 <sloppyjm> naw he needs it to b in usb or synce mode
Jun 20 02:38:57 <imop45> Proto, go to start, and type CMD on Vista
Jun 20 02:38:58 <ProtossEX> i will bounce the pre
Jun 20 02:39:12 <ProtossEX> i got the cmd box open
Jun 20 02:39:21 <Kaerey> .... /sigh .... a nickel says protossex didn't reboot his system after installing the novacomd msi and the service isn't actually running. Installed yes, running no.
Jun 20 02:39:33 <ProtossEX> lol
Jun 20 02:39:33 <Exstatica> at least my itunes will sync back over
Jun 20 02:39:35 <ProtossEX> oh ok
Jun 20 02:39:38 <imop45> Ok, do everything from their, not from Python
Jun 20 02:39:39 <ProtossEX> i will turn that service on
Jun 20 02:39:57 <imop45> No you dont need to reboot to get python working, i didnt.
Jun 20 02:40:05 <ProtossEX> what is the name of the service
Jun 20 02:40:08 <ProtossEX> i am in services.msc
Jun 20 02:40:13 <Kaerey> it's under "Palm Novacomnd"
Jun 20 02:40:20 <ProtossEX> its started
Jun 20 02:40:26 <imop45> OK, go through CMD line then if it doesnt work go to services, etc etc
Jun 20 02:40:41 <ProtossEX> Palm Novacom driver
Jun 20 02:40:45 <ProtossEX> the service is started
Jun 20 02:40:46 <imop45> Are all of the subversions downloaded?
Jun 20 02:40:51 <ProtossEX> yes
Jun 20 02:41:07 <bpadalino> ProtossEX: is port 6968 open on your machine ?
Jun 20 02:41:09 <tharris> its pretty simple
Jun 20 02:41:14 <imop45> ok, where are they all? Ex: c:\Users\
Jun 20 02:41:29 <bpadalino> if not - then novacomd didn't find your pre plugged in to the usb cable
Jun 20 02:41:30 <imop45> Hold on everyone, he's just having a small issue
Jun 20 02:41:42 <imop45> Same one as me.
Jun 20 02:41:58 <ProtossEX> port 127.0.0.1:6968 = listening
Jun 20 02:42:12 <imop45> Where are all of your subversions on your pc?
Jun 20 02:42:15 <ProtossEX> foreign address = 127.0.0.1:51931
Jun 20 02:42:34 <ProtossEX> C:\pre\subversion
Jun 20 02:43:06 <imop45> ok, now in the CMD type: CD C:\pre\subversions\talk.py
Jun 20 02:43:18 <imop45> subversion* (no s)
Jun 20 02:43:35 <ProtossEX> same error
Jun 20 02:43:41 <ProtossEX> C:\Python26>python C:\pre\subversion\talk.py
Jun 20 02:43:41 <ProtossEX> Traceback (most recent call last):
Jun 20 02:43:41 <ProtossEX>   File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 48, in <module>
Jun 20 02:43:41 <ProtossEX>     port = getport()
Jun 20 02:43:41 <ProtossEX>   File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 27, in getport
Jun 20 02:43:42 <ProtossEX>     return int(portnum)
Jun 20 02:43:44 <ProtossEX> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''
Jun 20 02:43:50 <tharris> did u reboot?
Jun 20 02:44:13 <ProtossEX> im going to reboot the pre
Jun 20 02:44:21 <bpadalino> ProtossEX: when you installed the novacomd msi, did you have the pre plugged in - or was it unplugged while you installed ?
Jun 20 02:44:22 <PullingJ> there's a post about lots of cards open on the forums and i think they changed something in 1.0.3 because I am able to get MANY more cards open at once than before
Jun 20 02:44:26 <Kaerey> while it's rebooting. reboot your pc too and go get a beer.
Jun 20 02:44:28 <ProtossEX> yes
Jun 20 02:44:29 <sloppyjm> reboot pre and ur pc proto
Jun 20 02:44:37 <ProtossEX> ok
Jun 20 02:44:42 <imop45> Is python 2.6.1 downloaded? (Orange button, sym, and R to reboot the pre)
Jun 20 02:44:46 <bpadalino> ProtossEX: yes to what ? plugged in ?
Jun 20 02:45:29 <imop45> So more cards are possible with 1.0.3?
Jun 20 02:45:32 <bpadalino> i have a feeling that you need the pre unplugged during novacomd install - then plug it in once the service is started
Jun 20 02:45:54 <tharris> i have done both ways without issue
Jun 20 02:46:24 <ShinAli> bpadalino: are the accessible methods for java services supposed to be annotated with @LunaServiceThread.PublicMethod?
Jun 20 02:46:28 <tharris> whenever i get that error, its cause i didnt reboot after novacom or pre not plugged into use
Jun 20 02:46:28 <sloppyjm> i have a dam  fix
Jun 20 02:46:35 <tharris> usb*
Jun 20 02:46:42 <sloppyjm> USE XP
Jun 20 02:48:52 <PullingJ> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/187409-how-many-apps-can-you-get-open-once.html
Jun 20 02:48:58 <PullingJ> this guy has 20 at once
Jun 20 02:49:06 <PullingJ> i have 10 right now trying his list out
Jun 20 02:49:20 <sugardave> are there even 20 apps yet?
Jun 20 02:49:32 <PullingJ> there's 30 in the catalog
Jun 20 02:49:35 <imop45> Yes ive had 23 open b4 1.0.3
Jun 20 02:49:39 <sugardave> cool
Jun 20 02:54:28 <imop45> I dont think 1.0.3 has made it any quiker personally
Jun 20 02:54:34 <ProtossEX> im back
Jun 20 02:54:39 <ProtossEX> did not work
Jun 20 02:54:41 <imop45> Hey
Jun 20 02:54:46 <imop45> Hmm...
Jun 20 02:54:47 <sugardave> I do think the calendar scrolls a little faster
Jun 20 02:54:49 <rposa> imop the scrolling seems smoother to me, as does the cam app
Jun 20 02:55:15 <imop45> Ive never had a prob with the camera app
Jun 20 02:55:29 <taxidrvr> I haven't rooted my pre yet, but has anyone thought of a way to get conky to work with it?
Jun 20 02:55:29 <ProtossEX> anybody else know what could break pythons talk.py
Jun 20 02:55:31 <ProtossEX> script
Jun 20 02:55:39 <ProtossEX> *know what else
Jun 20 02:55:50 <imop45> I have no idea..
Jun 20 02:55:51 <rposa> ProtossEX: If you CTRL-ALT-DEl and look in your task manager under processes
Jun 20 02:56:00 <rposa> and make sure "processes from all users" is running
Jun 20 02:56:08 <rposa> AND you see novacomd.exe running ...
Jun 20 02:56:14 <rposa> then make sure your firewall is OFF
Jun 20 02:56:17 <rposa> it should work
Jun 20 02:56:25 <ProtossEX> yeah that is running
Jun 20 02:56:28 <rposa> you might also need to make a shortcut on your desktop for
Jun 20 02:56:29 <tharris> if u have 2.6 installed, installed driver and rebooted, download all files in subverison link, ran talk.py then telneted to box then no
Jun 20 02:56:32 <ProtossEX> i turned firewall off
Jun 20 02:56:36 <ProtossEX> i am going to turn UAC back off
Jun 20 02:56:38 <rposa> cmd.exe and then right click and Run As administrator on vista
Jun 20 02:56:42 <ProtossEX> I am running vista
Jun 20 02:56:46 <ProtossEX> lol thats a good suggestion
Jun 20 02:57:19 <brick_> I'm trying to install the "Hello World" app, but when I copy the src dir, it copies to /usr/palm/, but the app isn't there after reset, any suggestions?
Jun 20 02:57:22 <rposa> then maybe consider an upgrade to Windows XP
Jun 20 02:57:47 <ProtossEX> should i try to put it on usb drive
Jun 20 02:57:51 <ProtossEX> instead of just charge
Jun 20 02:58:05 <rposa> no!
Jun 20 02:58:10 <rposa> also ...
Jun 20 02:58:14 <ProtossEX> no that didnt work
Jun 20 02:58:17 <rposa> right click on "my computer" - manage
Jun 20 02:58:20 <rposa> and go to device manager
Jun 20 02:58:29 <rposa> see if you have any unknown or other devices
Jun 20 02:58:33 <retry> ProtossEX, is the root fs read only?
Jun 20 02:58:36 <retry> you gotta remount rw
Jun 20 02:58:59 <sugardave> brick_, that's odd, so if you look in /usr/palm you should have the com.evan.app.helloworld directory and it has the 3 files in it?
Jun 20 02:59:27 <ProtossEX> i got 1 unknown devce
Jun 20 02:59:32 <ProtossEX> and i got palm novacom modules
Jun 20 02:59:46 <rposa> REMOVE IT
Jun 20 02:59:55 <rposa> then right click your pc
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