**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 20 02:59:57 2009 Jun 20 02:59:59 and scan for new hardware Jun 20 03:00:04 ij Jun 20 03:00:40 alright, update installing Jun 20 03:00:50 brick_: that's really weird... you mounted as r/w first, obviously, right? Jun 20 03:00:51 i guess i have to relink all my contacts all over again Jun 20 03:00:52 device software installation Jun 20 03:00:53 this sucks Jun 20 03:01:00 yeah Jun 20 03:01:02 its searching windows updates Jun 20 03:01:14 i ran through the root process Jun 20 03:01:18 everything went fine Jun 20 03:01:34 it worked Jun 20 03:01:34 Exstatica: howsit going Jun 20 03:01:37 the talk.py Jun 20 03:01:39 brick_: hmmm.. what if you just restart the LunaSysMgr instead of a full reboot (obviously not a true solution if it works.. but somewhere to start debugging) Jun 20 03:01:39 heck, i even did the flashlight, just for the heck of it, and was scared i would blow the bulb Jun 20 03:01:40 woohoo Jun 20 03:01:45 it put a bunch of text Jun 20 03:01:45 ProtossEX: :) yaaayy!! Jun 20 03:01:51 rposa: getting there, the palm restore kind of sucks Jun 20 03:01:56 nothing is linked Jun 20 03:02:03 Exstatica: :) I ran it earlier Jun 20 03:02:10 rposa: the update just finished Jun 20 03:02:11 sweet Jun 20 03:02:15 i did the lunasysmgr, and it put the phone in airplane mode, though i'm not sure if it was meant to happen Jun 20 03:02:16 i need to install ssh now Jun 20 03:02:19 and close out root Jun 20 03:02:27 Proto - once you turn off dev mode . Jun 20 03:02:31 it will .. go away Jun 20 03:02:37 brick_, for the hello world app, did you type it all by hand or did you cut and paste from the wiki? Jun 20 03:02:49 cut and paste Jun 20 03:02:58 gotta install my certificate too Jun 20 03:03:07 wow this is nice Jun 20 03:03:14 restarting lunasysmgr shouldn't have put you in airplane mode Jun 20 03:03:16 i can see what is running in the top command Jun 20 03:03:16 that's weird Jun 20 03:03:20 yeah Jun 20 03:03:21 brick_ that's really weird... i've never seen it do that, and i've gone through that process at least 50 times, literally... developed 2 apps so far, plus threw together that hello world.... Jun 20 03:03:25 thanks alot Jun 20 03:03:29 haha Jun 20 03:03:29 i will ask about ssh soon Jun 20 03:03:34 telnet is unsafe :( Jun 20 03:03:37 eat food Jun 20 03:03:44 ProtossEX: You seen the dev wiki ? Jun 20 03:03:53 yeah i was looking at it Jun 20 03:03:54 yeah, after i ran the syslunamgr, my wallpaper was gone, and the phone was put in "Offline mode," Jun 20 03:04:05 Yes Dropbear and ssh are easy to implement Jun 20 03:04:06 like sugardave said, it shouldn't have thrown you into airplane mode, that's also really weird... Jun 20 03:04:12 wondering what happened, my friend found out it was in airplane mode Jun 20 03:04:16 hmm, something else is going on I think Jun 20 03:04:24 I don't understand.. People claim that when they were with verizon, they had much better signal coverage than with sprint.. Doesn't sprint do it's roaming on verizon network? One would think that if someone had a great signal with verizon they would have no problems with sprint or am I just not understanding this correctly... Jun 20 03:04:26 but what that is? no clue! :D Jun 20 03:04:30 ProtossEX: http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 20 03:05:13 Stik: maybe Sprint roams to VZW and vice versa ... however, if your phone is Sprint it will use a SPNT tower first, then a VZW if all else fails.. Jun 20 03:05:24 so you might have better SPNT in some places and better VZW in others.. Jun 20 03:05:35 I really think that part of it is the antenna on the Pre Jun 20 03:05:41 weird.. i just did the update to 1.0.3, and i got a calendar alert from an event from yesterday. Jun 20 03:05:43 Hey, how do i quit and save changes with visudo Jun 20 03:05:46 That bites.. seems it would lock onto the stronger signal Jun 20 03:06:03 imop45: ZZ Jun 20 03:06:18 lol imop45 do an ipkg-opt install nano Jun 20 03:06:26 ZZ? Jun 20 03:06:28 imop45: ESC then ZZ Jun 20 03:06:29 and since it didn't show up, i don't know what copied and what didn't, and i can't find a way to view the files Jun 20 03:06:33 then use nano (the world's most simplest editor) Jun 20 03:06:39 [esc]:wq![enter] Jun 20 03:06:40 Your reception will be a bit better with the phone open Jun 20 03:06:50 and sadly, i'm not well versed in terminal commands Jun 20 03:07:04 pico Jun 20 03:07:22 real dominatrixes use vi Jun 20 03:07:58 anyone figure out how to smooth out the screen scrolling yet? Jun 20 03:08:22 great, now my exchange won't sync Jun 20 03:08:31 what is lunasysmgr Jun 20 03:08:43 that chews alot of resources Jun 20 03:08:58 the main app controller Jun 20 03:09:22 Robix: Install 1.03 ? Jun 20 03:09:33 pulsa audio doesnt eat up thast much resources Jun 20 03:09:41 luna is ur phone service, kill and it watch ur screen go blank Jun 20 03:09:47 ESC>ZZ> then what? keeps relisting my options Jun 20 03:09:48 rposa: as we speak Jun 20 03:10:02 or kill it and enter airplane mode ;D Jun 20 03:10:05 imop, does it say [readonly] at the bottom of your file? Jun 20 03:10:11 That's because pulse audio isn't doing much most of the time Jun 20 03:10:17 imop45: just try ESC :wq Jun 20 03:10:38 I dont wnt to save, some errors occured Jun 20 03:10:55 imop45: just try ESC :q! to quit Jun 20 03:11:00 then do [esc]:q![enter] Jun 20 03:11:48 What now? :q! Jun 20 03:11:48 Options are: Jun 20 03:11:48 (e)dit sudoers file again Jun 20 03:11:48 e(x)it without saving changes to sudoers file Jun 20 03:11:48 (Q)uit and save changes to sudoers file (DANGER!) Jun 20 03:12:22 x Jun 20 03:12:22 x Jun 20 03:12:28 x Jun 20 03:12:43 Yeap just keeps repeating itself Jun 20 03:13:13 rposa: 1.0.3 installed, still jumpy Jun 20 03:13:26 if you put ssh daemon on Jun 20 03:13:31 would you ssh as root Jun 20 03:13:42 http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository .... Jun 20 03:13:50 ProtossEX: read the wiki, it explains it Jun 20 03:13:50 it makes you install a nonpriv user Jun 20 03:13:53 then you either sudo Jun 20 03:13:56 or sudo su -l Jun 20 03:13:56 i was pretty sure you were supposed to kill the daemon Jun 20 03:14:04 or maybe that was only dropbear Jun 20 03:14:10 Robix: it helped mine i think Jun 20 03:14:48 what time did 1.0.3 come out ? Jun 20 03:15:10 sometime late this morning, I think Jun 20 03:15:31 seems the news sites are just picking it up Jun 20 03:15:38 wow windows telnet sux Jun 20 03:15:46 ProtossEX: use putty Jun 20 03:15:59 get putty Jun 20 03:16:01 was the update worth it? Jun 20 03:16:02 again, that's explained on the wiki Jun 20 03:16:33 and i just restored from backup after reversing some binaries and crashing my phone, that is pretty win to get a full back up Jun 20 03:17:44 whats the best backup in case something like that happens Jun 20 03:17:46 ok, how do you save a quit now from visudo? Jun 20 03:18:06 do u want to write? Jun 20 03:18:08 ok, ZZ right? Jun 20 03:18:10 imop45: just try ESC :wq Jun 20 03:18:11 or just leave Jun 20 03:18:16 I already did Jun 20 03:20:15 ok, ZZ saves i guess Jun 20 03:20:25 :> Jun 20 03:21:37 Anyone know who "Mike dg" is from the "New Cards For Each Messaging Conversation" hack Jun 20 03:21:38 im new here, but is it always a help desk for rooting the pre? Jun 20 03:22:07 Yes, you're 24/7 guide for all things rooting. Jun 20 03:22:12 tharris: sometimes Jun 20 03:22:27 lol Jun 20 03:22:38 Can i removed the USB from my pre now? Jun 20 03:23:57 not if you want to remain attached to it Jun 20 03:24:18 if it's not on the USB, then when the screen darkens, the wifi shuts off Jun 20 03:24:21 I thought sftp allowed you to go through wifi? Jun 20 03:24:50 but the radio shuts off when the pre goes to sleep Jun 20 03:25:54 anyone got any contacts at palm? Jun 20 03:26:03 as in emails that will repsond Jun 20 03:26:10 tharris: Pretty sure we're all wishing for that Jun 20 03:26:17 Ah ok, well im on battery with my lappy soooo oh well Jun 20 03:26:26 while pre is disconnected from charger it timesout the wifi adapter with the screen Jun 20 03:26:36 im after security folks =p Jun 20 03:26:50 tharris: eh? Jun 20 03:27:07 a security contact at palm Jun 20 03:27:11 So how long does it take for the pre to go into sleep mode? Jun 20 03:27:20 tharris: oh, did you find a vulnerability? Jun 20 03:27:38 just want to ask a question or two Jun 20 03:28:10 where is the changelog for preos Jun 20 03:28:13 webos Jun 20 03:28:16 lol Jun 20 03:28:29 it would be nice if battery life was bettery Jun 20 03:28:31 *better Jun 20 03:29:38 Ok, so i rooted my pre.. What next? any suggestions? Jun 20 03:30:22 whhy did u root it Jun 20 03:30:24 Yes, better battery life, a way to control your Data connection, and a way to truly silence your phone. Oh and make it vibrate longer. Jun 20 03:31:13 I rooted it to have fun and also fix some problems Jun 20 03:31:38 u a coder? Jun 20 03:31:43 any cool files or changes to fix some issues Jun 20 03:31:48 im not a coder Jun 20 03:31:51 im a sys admin Jun 20 03:31:52 Nope. But i can learn quickly. Jun 20 03:32:07 i'm 18 years ole. Jun 20 03:32:49 imop45, back to the wiki, most things are detailed there Jun 20 03:33:22 Right. Could someone tell me if its possible to turn off the low battery reboot delay? Jun 20 03:35:53 is anyone else having the updater time out on connecting to server? Jun 20 03:36:59 it took a while, just try again Jun 20 03:37:22 been trying the last 3h Jun 20 03:37:33 thats why i asked Jun 20 03:38:48 Hmm, reset it Jun 20 03:41:52 I'm getting a permission denied for /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 03:41:55 are you connecting via wifi or evdo? Jun 20 03:41:55 i just did it 10 min ago Jun 20 03:42:02 to meshuga Jun 20 03:42:06 over wifi Jun 20 03:42:33 imop have u done "sudo su -" Jun 20 03:43:55 nice error message "https://ws.palm.com/SupportDownload/app?service=external/Home&sp=44%27" Jun 20 03:44:16 hmm, its not found anymore Jun 20 03:44:18 lol Jun 20 03:44:22 palm is fial Jun 20 03:44:24 fail Jun 20 03:45:03 root@castle:/var/home/root# /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controller Jun 20 03:45:03 s/launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 03:45:03 sh: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js: Permission denied Jun 20 03:45:27 root@castle:/var/home/root# usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers Jun 20 03:45:27 -sh: usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js: not found Jun 20 03:45:40 dpaste Jun 20 03:45:55 I haven't even opened quartu yet Jun 20 03:46:24 imop45: ls -la usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 03:46:49 Meshuga i added a wikientry that shows you how to add options to the screen and lock app for when it goes standy. Jun 20 03:47:59 http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jun 20 03:48:04 very bottom is the modification Jun 20 03:49:30 Are there any projects in development for customer XMPP/Jabber services in the IM app? Jun 20 03:49:35 *custom Jun 20 03:50:19 all i want is for someone to figure out a way to issue shell commands via java or mojo then i'll be very happy lol. i dont care much to use it as a phone. Jun 20 03:50:19 #8 on http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas I can definitely get behind this one. Jun 20 03:50:30 i looked all over the code and found no way myself Jun 20 03:50:50 you can root the phone and use the browser SSH CLI. Jun 20 03:51:17 It's easy to do in java, so most likely we'll just have to create a jar that can be loaded that has more power than your standard app Jun 20 03:51:23 http://predev.wikidot.com/shell Jun 20 03:51:26 i know that i'd like to write some apps that will work off of native console apps so i need a way to run them Jun 20 03:51:57 An actual shell window would be nice though Jun 20 03:52:23 Wow, i have a neat test picture Jun 20 03:52:26 yes indeed it wiould Jun 20 03:53:32 cphelps can you explain were i should be looking or were to start if for example i need to reboot from an icon on the laucher? thats just an example until i or something else can get it going lol. Jun 20 03:53:44 nudge me in right direction i'm usually ok Jun 20 03:54:17 Binarytech2: I've not gotten that far yet. My first project is to fix the messaging hack that lets you use new cards for each conversation Jun 20 03:54:19 havnt found anything in mojo that issues a shell commands so i dont know what to look into Jun 20 03:54:36 anyone know what is changed in 1.0.3? Jun 20 03:54:40 No idea. Jun 20 03:54:44 after that, I will be looking into expanding the SDK through custom jars and etc. Jun 20 03:54:46 Is 1.0.3 out? Jun 20 03:54:50 i'm trying to follow the wiki for global search addons, but cannot find the function named in step 2, clearSearch: function(), any help is appreciated! http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jun 20 03:55:05 I just checked with the updater app and it is offerinf 1.0.3 Jun 20 03:55:09 *offering Jun 20 03:55:33 Bouquet: yes Jun 20 03:56:18 If I update is it going to un-root my Pre? Jun 20 03:56:26 nope Jun 20 03:56:27 no Jun 20 03:56:36 any drawbacks been reported? Jun 20 03:56:40 topic Jun 20 03:56:52 smoke a flames Jun 20 03:56:58 uhh, playing pandora to keep it alive, makes it chunky in the launcher Jun 20 03:57:12 I have it on reasonable authority that the alarm clock bug has been squashed. Not sure what else may have changed though. Jun 20 03:57:13 PullingJ: tl;dr ;^) Jun 20 03:57:22 Pandora uses a lot of resources Jun 20 03:57:40 I was told they fixed cert issues with Exchange, but that remains to be seen. Jun 20 03:58:16 i wish i could connect to my ad-hoc network also but who knows if they will add that or fix it Jun 20 03:58:27 Rockhopper .dev-snapshot-20090617 castle Jun 20 04:00:15 Processor : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l) Jun 20 04:00:15 BogoMIPS : 498.07 Jun 20 04:01:26 Hardware : Sirloin OMAP3430 board Jun 20 04:01:42 root@castle:/usr/lib# sudo -s Jun 20 04:01:42 root@castle:/usr/lib# cd /luna Jun 20 04:01:42 WHY??? Jun 20 04:02:57 # uname -a Jun 20 04:02:58 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.15 armv7l unknown Jun 20 04:03:05 the only issue i had with the update is it overwrote luna.conf Jun 20 04:03:16 root@castle:/usr/lib# sudo -s Jun 20 04:03:16 root@castle:/usr/lib# cd /luna Jun 20 04:03:38 **/bin/sh: cd: can't cd to /luna Jun 20 04:03:50 i think this page is out of date, as the function referenced in step 2 does not exist : http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jun 20 04:04:34 has anyone seen the news about no SDK until the end of the summer? Jun 20 04:04:53 Binarytech2: yeah, no general availability Jun 20 04:05:27 though there is hope that those of us who have applied to get it will get it soon, as they are ramping up that part of the program Jun 20 04:05:28 they are however opening up the pre release to more people Jun 20 04:05:33 why do you need sdk? Jun 20 04:06:13 oh i dont i just read it and figured i'd ask in case anyone hasnt read it. Jun 20 04:06:42 i wonder if it actually helps Jun 20 04:06:55 does anyone know why i can't su when i'm SSHed into the pre? all I get is error travis@castle:~$ su Jun 20 04:06:55 su: must be suid to work properly Jun 20 04:07:02 what the SDK itself help? Jun 20 04:07:26 showergel: sudo su -l Jun 20 04:07:59 try "sudo su -" Jun 20 04:08:37 anyone know if there's a changelog for 1.0.3? Palm's website is all fluff Jun 20 04:08:51 sudo su - what? Jun 20 04:09:24 i haven't used that since VMWare :) Jun 20 04:09:27 imop45: showergel asked why su didn't work Jun 20 04:09:35 but it works :) Jun 20 04:09:46 If you log in as impo45 issue the command "sudo su -" to get root. Then just go crazy. Jun 20 04:10:14 found it: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html Jun 20 04:10:36 I cant cd into /usr/lib/luna. Luna's locked down like my girlfriends *** Jun 20 04:10:42 lol helpdesk for rooting is like giving a shotgun to a 4 year old Jun 20 04:11:06 i can get into it Jun 20 04:11:49 https://ws.palm.com/SupportDownload/app?service=external/Home&sp=44%27, enjoy the information disclosre and good luck all Jun 20 04:12:26 tharris - thats your session .. we can't get into it Jun 20 04:12:39 tharris: that link is kinda broken. Can I have your cookie ;^)? Jun 20 04:13:05 lol no Jun 20 04:13:33 take the last ' off the link Jun 20 04:13:48 the %27 that is Jun 20 04:13:49 lol, its there for a reason =p Jun 20 04:13:51 Well my shotgun isn't working right. Link worked for me :) Just go to palm pre support page and look to te right Jun 20 04:14:00 when i took it off, the link worked Jun 20 04:14:26 ok, seriously, im in as root, and i can not get into /usr/lib/luna Jun 20 04:14:31 tharris: It's just the WebOS Doctor online tool Jun 20 04:14:36 haha, my point was that the website shouldnt allow you to see that data, its.... oh nevermind, it mightbe more funny that u didnt get it Jun 20 04:14:56 cd /luna wont work Jun 20 04:14:57 probably Jun 20 04:15:00 :-) Jun 20 04:15:02 tharris: palm.com/rom is where you get it from Jun 20 04:15:07 root@castle:/usr/lib/luna# pwd Jun 20 04:15:09 /usr/lib/luna Jun 20 04:15:11 root@castle:/usr/lib/luna# ls -l Jun 20 04:15:12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 225280 May 22 13:26 CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 Jun 20 04:15:14 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 598016 May 22 14:25 PalmDatabase.db3 Jun 20 04:15:15 tharris: oh,yeah, that is something of a security issue, though nor very severe Jun 20 04:15:15 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jun 19 21:02 customization Jun 20 04:15:17 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 19 21:02 java Jun 20 04:15:18 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Jun 19 21:02 luna-media Jun 20 04:15:20 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Dec 31 1999 luna-network Jun 20 04:15:21 lol Jun 20 04:15:22 not very Jun 20 04:15:22 drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Dec 31 1999 luna-pseudocard Jun 20 04:15:23 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 May 22 13:26 palm-carriernetworksettings-info Jun 20 04:15:25 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Dec 31 1999 system Jun 20 04:15:50 hmm to dropbear or to openssh Jun 20 04:16:07 according to informal polls, I think I'm the only one running openssh Jun 20 04:16:25 I'm using openssh because I'm hardcore :^) Jun 20 04:16:36 hey does anyone recall what i need to do to get a new application to show up once i copy it over? Jun 20 04:16:38 that's 2 Jun 20 04:16:38 haha, that's what I'd say Jun 20 04:16:49 dropbear is more hardcore btw Jun 20 04:16:56 dang, now you tell me. Jun 20 04:17:00 oops Jun 20 04:17:14 heh Jun 20 04:17:24 is their a way to see the serial number from within the phone? Jun 20 04:17:30 bsiegel, shouldn't have to do anything other than bounce lunasysmgr Jun 20 04:17:43 sugardave: yeah, i can't recall the command to do that >.< Jun 20 04:17:59 nm foun it Jun 20 04:18:02 kill lunasysmgr, it autorestarts Jun 20 04:18:23 tharris: link works, but I can't get the damn batter cover off. Serial should be on the box right? Jun 20 04:18:53 ps -ef, find lunasysmgr pid, kill pid, ur phone goes black and should "restart" Jun 20 04:19:02 No, go to device info its right there Jun 20 04:19:08 @Boq, i only looked under battery Jun 20 04:19:29 Go to device information, then scroll down Jun 20 04:19:31 sugardave: Thanks. That did it, though I recall a 'nicer' way of doing it but I dont remember what it was Jun 20 04:20:28 its at the bottom Jun 20 04:20:45 thanks for info imop Jun 20 04:21:09 ok, could you help me now :) Jun 20 04:21:15 Does anyone know where Bookmarks are stored ? Jun 20 04:21:24 lol i need sleep late here Jun 20 04:21:38 are they in the /var/luna/data/ directory somewhere ? Jun 20 04:21:44 uh Luna is a pig, 67M Jun 20 04:21:52 its simple though! I cant get into luna! Jun 20 04:22:11 imop45: are you still unable to get into /usr/lib/luna? Jun 20 04:22:14 root@castle:/usr/lib# cd /luna Jun 20 04:22:14 -sh: cd: can't cd to /luna Jun 20 04:22:20 Yes i still cant Jun 20 04:22:27 there's no /luna. Jun 20 04:22:30 just cd luna Jun 20 04:22:36 what rposa said Jun 20 04:22:46 or cd /usr/lib/luna Jun 20 04:22:51 but not cd /luna Jun 20 04:23:31 oh.. i tried cd /usr/lib/luna but no go. cd luna worked. Strange i cd'ed cd /usr and cd /lib Jun 20 04:24:00 root@castle:/var/home/root# cd /usr/lib/luna/ Jun 20 04:24:00 root@castle:/usr/lib/luna# Jun 20 04:24:00 http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use Jun 20 04:25:20 ltm shut up. I knew a lot about linux advanced things with opensuse, fedora, konsole and hmm.. whats Gnome's terminal called? Jun 20 04:25:48 terminal Jun 20 04:26:38 damn webirc Jun 20 04:26:58 I do not see bookmarks in that file ... hrmmm Jun 20 04:27:13 There was another name for Gnome's... KDe's is konsole Jun 20 04:27:36 tharris: All I got was a 760kB file from that link. Am I missing something? Jun 20 04:27:44 no, 760B! Jun 20 04:29:16 gnome-terminal Jun 20 04:30:03 oh, lol, it's a java downloader. nm Jun 20 04:31:29 imop45 < it's still a commandline/terminal Jun 20 04:31:30 -.- Jun 20 04:31:44 Just because you call your dog, Fred doesn't mean he isn't a dog Jun 20 04:32:01 can you still root 1.0.3? Jun 20 04:32:18 'ello Jun 20 04:32:37 should be able to tlynch Jun 20 04:32:46 hrm. Jun 20 04:32:46 I'm trying to remember what im talking about... Jun 20 04:32:51 i cant get talk.py to work Jun 20 04:32:55 Palm has gone out of it's way too make sure we can use the linux system Jun 20 04:32:57 There we go Jun 20 04:33:05 they even just released most of the source code Jun 20 04:33:12 tlynch what OS are you on? Jun 20 04:33:18 Vista, Windows 7? Jun 20 04:33:19 win7 Jun 20 04:33:23 yeah Jun 20 04:33:27 doesn't work in win7 Jun 20 04:33:28 >.> Jun 20 04:33:31 try XP Jun 20 04:33:34 tlynch: yes it works but u neex WinXP Jun 20 04:33:35 Tilton53: They didn't purposely go out of their way... they released patches to GPLed code, which is required by that license. :-) Jun 20 04:33:36 I can root to 1.0.3 Jun 20 04:33:36 or vmware with xp Jun 20 04:33:39 s/x/d Jun 20 04:33:46 jblebrun_on_beer Jun 20 04:33:51 On WIn7 if you want to root the Pre, have you installed the XPM ? Jun 20 04:33:54 Tilton53: also they probably made a usable environment because it made it easier Jun 20 04:34:00 Their responses have been really nice, lately, though! Jun 20 04:34:06 I like their little jab at Apple, today. Jun 20 04:34:08 can i do it in xpmode? Jun 20 04:34:10 Tilton53: it's cool they didn't go out of their way to break it for us though Jun 20 04:34:11 Palm has gone out of their way to help us Jun 20 04:34:14 yes you can do it in xpmode Jun 20 04:34:23 What was the apple jab? Jun 20 04:34:24 awesome - thanks Jun 20 04:34:38 just follow the directions on the site for rooting the pre Jun 20 04:34:56 jblebrun_on_beer: you mean that they have better things to do than going after their users, more or less? :) Jun 20 04:35:04 and when it says to connect the pre, make sure you go to USB and attach the Pre. Jun 20 04:35:09 i did - looking at it now i cant believe i missed the first line about win7 Jun 20 04:35:25 tlynch_on_beer? Jun 20 04:35:34 little bit Jun 20 04:35:42 * destinal needs more beer Jun 20 04:35:44 imop45: It was subtle. Basically saying that our homebrew community is able to do what it's doing without actually "jailbreaking" or subverting license agreements. Jun 20 04:35:57 halleluja to that! Jun 20 04:36:03 Yeah, i love how palm doesnt give a shit. Jun 20 04:36:11 Well imop45 Jun 20 04:36:17 palm gains more by letting us hack Jun 20 04:36:18 I think they do give a shit, but they recognize the power of the OSS community. Jun 20 04:36:21 destinal: We can go with that. The douche factor is much lower at Palm. Jun 20 04:36:21 then they stand to lose Jun 20 04:36:25 And with its user base apparently. Jun 20 04:36:35 * showergel appreciates the douche factor Jun 20 04:36:39 It's been an absolute pleasure hanging out in this IRC channel. Jun 20 04:36:42 showergel: LOL Jun 20 04:36:49 There arent going to release an update that breats the rooting. Jun 20 04:36:54 also the only thing Palm cared about was us tethering Jun 20 04:37:01 showergel: dis donc! Jun 20 04:37:01 breaks* Jun 20 04:37:03 and that is more of sprint getting on palms butt Jun 20 04:37:16 is tethering off limits here too? Jun 20 04:37:25 They had me at the konami code :) Jun 20 04:37:30 tlynch: Yes, as long as it's against the Sprint TOS. Jun 20 04:37:33 i wonder why sprint didn't offer a plan for it? Jun 20 04:37:33 yes Jun 20 04:37:36 Tilton53: sprint wants to sell more evdo cards for laptops. Jun 20 04:37:42 yes tlynch it is Jun 20 04:37:48 Yes, and they said gently, "Hey man, please stop talking about tethering b/c my roommate sprint might get pissed. Here's a cold beer." Jun 20 04:37:48 but there's no money in the hardware Jun 20 04:37:50 I know Bouquet Jun 20 04:37:51 >.> Jun 20 04:38:00 :) Jun 20 04:38:02 lol imop45 pretty much Jun 20 04:38:02 XD Jun 20 04:38:07 funny thing is - never had a problem with it when i was on a $30 sero plan with winmo Jun 20 04:38:11 If you haven't figured out how to tether by now, then take a Linux networking class ;-) Jun 20 04:38:12 There is a plan, it covers all evdo phones. Jun 20 04:38:16 sprint could make.. what $20 on a usb/xprescard Jun 20 04:38:30 LOL showergel Jun 20 04:38:36 tlynch: That plan is not supported by Sprint for the PRe. Jun 20 04:38:42 they should just release a tethering add on and call it a day Jun 20 04:38:43 i know Jun 20 04:38:44 -.- Jun 20 04:38:50 jblebrun_on_beer because sprint are idiots Jun 20 04:38:52 i'm not on it anymore Jun 20 04:39:00 >.> Jun 20 04:39:01 the ssh tunnel isn't really tethering. Jun 20 04:39:04 that's what i was told by sprint as well. not sure why they locked it out. they could be making $50/mo on pre users.. on top of their plans. Jun 20 04:39:04 i'm just saying tethering wasnt a problem then Jun 20 04:39:05 On my centro (palm os) remember the PDAnet prgram? Jun 20 04:39:20 If sprint would release a tethering add-on instead of forcing people to buy an aircard and another plan Jun 20 04:39:25 they would make tons more Jun 20 04:39:33 right, makes more sense. Jun 20 04:39:40 Tilton53: Do you have marketing data to back that up? ;-) Jun 20 04:39:41 Because most people would sign up for the add-on instead of just going around it Jun 20 04:39:42 -.- Jun 20 04:39:45 >.> Jun 20 04:39:46 IRC hearsay does not count ;-) Jun 20 04:39:51 Has anyone found the NAI setting? Jun 20 04:40:00 They had a tethering plan in the past. Jun 20 04:40:03 ahem, buy a pre and register it as an evdo card. ;] Jun 20 04:40:03 It was really expensive. Jun 20 04:40:04 Not An Idiot setting? Jun 20 04:40:08 jblebrun_on_beer: people may tether but a gentleman's agreement not to promote it here also may go a long way to being seen as legit. experimenters and hackers in the old / best use of the term, not the insidious / evil one many in the media use. Jun 20 04:40:15 Anyone got WebShell working? Jun 20 04:40:18 On ALL other sprint phones you could tether for $50. Jun 20 04:40:34 well 50 dollars is a little steep Jun 20 04:40:35 -.- Jun 20 04:40:39 20 or 30 Jun 20 04:40:42 would be nice Jun 20 04:40:50 destinal: Well, I know solidly how to tether over WiFi, but I don't do it, and I don't tell others how :-) Jun 20 04:40:51 But the pint is, tethering is supported Jun 20 04:40:55 * showergel nods at Tilton53 Jun 20 04:41:00 And I won't. Jun 20 04:41:01 and since it's an addon most people would pay for a month or two at a time if they went on vacation Jun 20 04:41:02 >.> Jun 20 04:41:12 the plan sucks because you get locked into 2 years Jun 20 04:41:33 It's the one plan they don't offer a monthly on. Jun 20 04:41:35 so instead of people just coughing up two years they go fuck you sprint and tether without it Jun 20 04:41:42 Tilton53: You could buy the phone off-plan.... Jun 20 04:41:50 Would it be hard to find NAI settings on a rooted Pre? Jun 20 04:42:09 if they offered it as an add-on then I would tottaly enable it when I went on vaction and needed internet Jun 20 04:42:21 jblebrun_on_beer you can't get the plan non-montly Jun 20 04:42:32 and even if you can the cost for the card is rediculous Jun 20 04:43:01 Tilton53: So they'll sell you the phone for $549 and then say "have a nice day?" Jun 20 04:43:03 why when I already have hardware capable of it would I go buy another piece of hardware? Jun 20 04:43:05 That's odd. Jun 20 04:43:05 Meh, i dont care about tethering .. I'm a contractor .. and they pay for a Sprint EVDO card for me :) Jun 20 04:43:18 no the air-cards jblebrun_on_beer Jun 20 04:43:21 not* Jun 20 04:43:22 >.> Jun 20 04:43:28 brb Jun 20 04:43:39 rposa: same here (my company covers mine) Jun 20 04:43:59 Tilton53: Oh I see, you mean you can't get an aircard and then just enable it for the month where you need it? Jun 20 04:44:07 right Jun 20 04:44:13 Well, yeah Jun 20 04:44:16 US Carriers sucks. Jun 20 04:44:21 No discussion of tethering please ;) Jun 20 04:44:36 We were talking about *feathering* Jun 20 04:44:39 If it's that big of a deal, then why not just get a Cricket data card ... Jun 20 04:44:41 ah ok then Jun 20 04:44:52 Tar / Feathering ... (Teathering) :P Jun 20 04:44:54 nebula >.> we're not talking about how to tether, we are having a disccusion on why sprint should offer it Jun 20 04:44:54 XD Jun 20 04:45:13 yeah, let's talk about beer. can you use your pre to do beer related things? find bars, probably. maybe an app for homebrewing beer would be good too Jun 20 04:45:17 anybody have any ideas on this one now - inside xp mode Jun 20 04:45:18 Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 20 04:45:18 File "talk.py", line 48, in Jun 20 04:45:18 port = getport() Jun 20 04:45:18 File "talk.py", line 27, in getport Jun 20 04:45:18 return int(portnum) Jun 20 04:45:19 ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' Jun 20 04:45:21 eeeeek Jun 20 04:45:23 use dpaste Jun 20 04:45:29 ow Jun 20 04:45:31 no pasting Jun 20 04:45:34 in the channel Jun 20 04:45:36 jblebrun_on_beer: how are your eyes Jun 20 04:45:36 sorry Jun 20 04:45:37 Dude tlynch get XP and start it in vmware Jun 20 04:45:38 -.- Jun 20 04:45:50 or find a computer with xp you can use for an hr Jun 20 04:45:57 nebula: Ummm, I can still see IRC (except when people paste error messages) Jun 20 04:46:01 you guys just said xp mode was fine Jun 20 04:46:12 ok another question Jun 20 04:46:20 tlynch what version of python do you have? Jun 20 04:46:23 * nebula goes into sleep mode Jun 20 04:46:24 compiling framebuffer apps for ipkg is probably *not* happening tonight, though :-D Jun 20 04:46:29 2.6 Jun 20 04:46:34 nebula: initctl stop powerd Jun 20 04:46:43 then it should work Jun 20 04:46:45 >.> Jun 20 04:46:49 tech. tlynch Jun 20 04:46:53 l8r Jun 20 04:46:56 Haha Jun 20 04:46:57 but then again win7 is odd Jun 20 04:46:58 Gnight Jun 20 04:46:58 XD Jun 20 04:47:03 I got a webshell problem: It flashes the banner to verify the fingerprint, but I can't verify it. Any ideas? Jun 20 04:47:06 which is why we have the disclaimer Jun 20 04:47:15 booting my xp laptop now Jun 20 04:47:28 def the easier choice tlynch Jun 20 04:48:19 actually, I can't seem to get "yes" to verify it. Jun 20 04:48:50 Whoever owns the svn repo that has talk.py needs to update it like I did with novaproxy to do error-checking Jun 20 04:49:16 hello Jun 20 04:49:27 i just updated to 1.0.3 Jun 20 04:49:34 and i am trying to reroot my phone Jun 20 04:49:37 My brain hurts. Jun 20 04:49:48 i get this error Jun 20 04:49:48 C:\pre\subversion>talk.py Jun 20 04:49:49 Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 20 04:49:49 File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 48, in Jun 20 04:49:49 port = getport() Jun 20 04:49:49 File "C:\pre\subversion\talk.py", line 27, in getport Jun 20 04:49:51 return int(portnum) Jun 20 04:49:53 ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' Jun 20 04:49:57 Protoss: NOOOOOOOOO Jun 20 04:50:02 do i need to change any files lol Jun 20 04:50:15 yeah i got that error again Jun 20 04:50:26 and i went to manage devices and tried removing and readding devices Jun 20 04:50:30 Protoss: Have you used pastebin before? Jun 20 04:50:40 what is pastebin Jun 20 04:50:57 Protoss: Check it out... pastebin.org (there are other similar services, too) Jun 20 04:51:04 webos.pastebin.com Jun 20 04:51:09 Oh yeah! Jun 20 04:51:11 webos.pastebin.com Jun 20 04:51:14 bkuberek: thanks Jun 20 04:51:23 * showergel has no problems using Win7's XPM.. Jun 20 04:51:46 Protoss: Basically, instead of pasting a bunch of stuff into the channel, paste all you want at webos.pastebin.org. Then just give us the link here. Jun 20 04:51:57 oh ok Jun 20 04:52:07 i will do that next time Jun 20 04:52:16 Protoss: it makes it a lot easier for us to help out Jun 20 04:52:36 yeah Jun 20 04:53:06 Pasting large sequences of code or error messages can really interrupt a conversation. Jun 20 04:53:08 nm, I had to connect as root in an ssh session to accept it now it works. Jun 20 04:53:54 so upon trying the Hello World app again, it copied, but nothing showed up after resetting it, simple copy and paste from the wiki Jun 20 04:55:10 I have a question about this http://webos.pastebin.com/m2b3ceb5c Jun 20 04:55:27 *looks at pastebin* Jun 20 04:55:43 i rooted the pre in 1.02 Jun 20 04:55:57 nite Jun 20 04:55:57 but when i upgraded it broke my telnet and i get that problem again Jun 20 04:56:01 1.03 Jun 20 04:56:10 Hmmm Jun 20 04:56:30 I've seen people talking about that problem a lot before. I should probably try to remember the answer. Jun 20 04:56:34 (I don't use Windows) Jun 20 04:56:42 Let me see if I can find something Jun 20 04:56:47 ok thanks alot Jun 20 04:57:38 Protos: What is your python version? Jun 20 04:57:55 2.6.2 Jun 20 04:58:17 O.o Jun 20 04:58:26 ProtossEX didn't you install ssh? Jun 20 04:58:35 O_o Jun 20 04:58:37 i was in the proccess but i was updating at the same time Jun 20 04:58:41 and it broke :( Jun 20 04:58:54 * Tilton53 facepalms Jun 20 04:58:59 i might be on crack but i think i had to redo my /etc/profile paths again Jun 20 04:59:08 * jblebrun_on_beer facepalms Tilton 53 Jun 20 04:59:14 >.> Jun 20 04:59:26 We need a note about finishing the ssh install before updating Jun 20 04:59:40 * ShinAli crosses fingers Jun 20 04:59:46 yeah, i should have finished my ssh creation Jun 20 04:59:52 is their a way to downgrade the palmos Jun 20 04:59:53 Tilton: Do you have wiki access and have had less beer than me? Jun 20 05:00:02 yes Jun 20 05:00:03 XD Jun 20 05:00:05 :-D Jun 20 05:01:08 hah my alarm made pandora skip a beat Jun 20 05:01:09 is there any reason why /sbin wouldn't be in my path ? Jun 20 05:01:32 this is your tech support: "did you call the helpdesk?". this is your tech support on beer: "fdisk, then kick the hard drive, consult the ouija board!" Jun 20 05:01:43 XD Jun 20 05:01:47 BOFH!!! Jun 20 05:02:08 any recomendations i should do Jun 20 05:02:09 showergel: Are you logged in as root, or as a user? Jun 20 05:02:18 should i downgrade webos to 1.02 Jun 20 05:02:20 Does the update (1.0.3) make it so you can't telnet into the device ? Jun 20 05:02:21 if their is a way Jun 20 05:02:27 as a user for the moment. Jun 20 05:02:34 If you root your Pre install an SSH Server before you update your Pre to 1.03, if you have already installed 1.03 but have not rooted your pre yet continue below as normal. Jun 20 05:02:35 >.> Jun 20 05:02:36 there Jun 20 05:02:38 added Jun 20 05:02:47 showergel: non-root users don't have rights to run programs in sbin or /usr/sbin, generally Jun 20 05:02:55 ProtosEX: there's rpobably a way Jun 20 05:03:00 e.g. ifconfig Jun 20 05:03:03 ProtossEX: there's a way Jun 20 05:03:07 back up all your stuff Jun 20 05:03:08 Tilton: That made my head hurt Jun 20 05:03:13 Pictures and all Jun 20 05:03:19 lol jblebrun_on_beer Jun 20 05:03:22 O.o Jun 20 05:03:27 You can't root in 1.03 Jun 20 05:03:29 O.o Jun 20 05:03:32 seriously? Jun 20 05:03:49 jblebrun_on_beer: what was your login name? (clickety clickety) Jun 20 05:04:04 then power off, unplug, battery out. plug in USB, Hold up volume, battery in. Should have lightning bolt. run WebOS Updater for 1.02 Jun 20 05:04:05 Can you put a comma after the first and third occruances or "Pre", and upgrade the existing comma to a semicolon? Jun 20 05:04:08 it WILL wipe everything Jun 20 05:04:18 detainal: jblebrun_on_beer Jun 20 05:04:21 :-D Jun 20 05:04:22 Tilton53: I was asking ... Jun 20 05:04:27 not saying Jun 20 05:04:30 ah Jun 20 05:04:41 I didnt know .. im only half watching.. Jun 20 05:04:47 half working on a backup script for my pre :) Jun 20 05:04:49 I am not sure if it doesn yet Jun 20 05:04:50 I have 1.03 and was just able to re-root the Pre on Win7 64-bit, using XPM. Jun 20 05:04:57 telnet is up and running. Jun 20 05:05:02 well there you go, shower says it works Jun 20 05:05:04 :) Jun 20 05:05:05 but we do know if you were in the middle of rooting it breaks Jun 20 05:05:06 XD Jun 20 05:05:07 >D Jun 20 05:05:11 >.> Jun 20 05:05:11 Wait, does he really need to wipe his Pre? Jun 20 05:05:16 no Jun 20 05:05:20 He can just reroot Jun 20 05:05:21 lol Jun 20 05:05:21 jblebrun_on_beer: you don't seem to have a space problem. you have 4 meg available. :) Jun 20 05:05:52 perhaps it *is* a space problem... hehe space cadet! Jun 20 05:06:03 anyone know a way to get the busybox date commadn to format MMDDYYYY Jun 20 05:06:12 ground control to major jblebrun_on_beer Jun 20 05:06:49 @_@ Jun 20 05:07:29 If you didn't pastebin it, it didn't happen Jun 20 05:07:32 jblebrun_on_beer: I love the random excuses. Solar flares Jun 20 05:07:32 ;-) Jun 20 05:08:06 naa, it didnt do anything Jun 20 05:08:14 i took the battery out Jun 20 05:08:17 plugged the usb cable Jun 20 05:08:19 Random excuses? Jun 20 05:08:21 don't forget to put your disks in a pillowcase full of magnets. that helps deflect the damaging rays from the solar flares Jun 20 05:08:22 hit the volume up Jun 20 05:08:27 evening Jun 20 05:08:34 jblebrun_on_beer: BOFH-style Jun 20 05:08:40 hold vol up Jun 20 05:08:42 Oh! Jun 20 05:08:44 :-D Jun 20 05:08:44 i did a "find /* | grep appinfo.json > applist.txt" for a nice list of places to start tweaking the shiz Jun 20 05:08:48 * jblebrun_on_beer catches up Jun 20 05:08:48 hey im back! Jun 20 05:08:59 hold vol up during the booting sequence Jun 20 05:09:00 whats up with the usb and media sync after updating ? Jun 20 05:09:03 sigh.. i've spent too much time this week working on Nortel commandline.. you know you're going mad when you try to log out of the SSH with commands like "logo" and run programs via "ld 20" Jun 20 05:09:06 no Jun 20 05:09:12 if you got that far smoething is not right Jun 20 05:09:29 jblebrun_on_beer: but now for a serious question. WHICH beer? Jun 20 05:09:34 Spaten Jun 20 05:09:47 jblebrun_on_beer: ultimator? Jun 20 05:09:47 We go to a German "beer garden" after work every Friday Jun 20 05:09:50 not bad. drinking Bristol Brewery's Laughing Lab here Jun 20 05:09:57 Sometimes :-) Jun 20 05:10:03 it shyows usb logo Jun 20 05:10:08 But usually just normal Spaten Jun 20 05:10:30 i cant go to usb mode after update Jun 20 05:10:31 Spaten is not really my favorite beer... but it's light and drinkable, and company-sponsored ;-) Jun 20 05:10:32 jblebrun_on_beer: i just had a variety pack over the past week it was great... want moar Jun 20 05:10:46 ProtossEX: yes Jun 20 05:10:49 that's bootloader Jun 20 05:10:52 then run webos doctor Jun 20 05:11:28 the -"ator" beers, they're dopplebocks, right? Jun 20 05:11:29 but they're saying you dont need to re-root ... Jun 20 05:11:31 i thought Jun 20 05:11:35 i cna't find the lines in the specified file in step 2 of global search addon's after update http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jun 20 05:11:41 hell i dunno :0 Jun 20 05:12:26 the drivers are not intalling on my pc Jun 20 05:12:33 Yeah, I think it's a doppelbock... I am only half-way fluent in beer, though Jun 20 05:12:33 anybody knows whats going on with the usb feature after updating? Jun 20 05:12:53 * destinal_beer brews beer as a hobby. :) Jun 20 05:12:58 ProtossEX what version of windows? Jun 20 05:13:13 vista Jun 20 05:13:21 JRz: On OS X, there's no change Jun 20 05:13:41 osx is fine here Jun 20 05:13:53 OS X FTW Jun 20 05:14:09 ProtossEX try using http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/ Jun 20 05:14:10 i just catn go into usb mode Jun 20 05:14:14 Nove Proxy Jun 20 05:14:23 it doesnt do anything Jun 20 05:14:54 Tilton53: He's trying to run webos doc Jun 20 05:15:00 ah Jun 20 05:15:01 -.- Jun 20 05:15:03 idk then Jun 20 05:15:03 XD Jun 20 05:15:07 not sure why Jun 20 05:15:09 destinal: So yo'ure in CO? Jun 20 05:15:13 he rooted, no ssh, then updated Jun 20 05:15:15 '>>1 Jun 20 05:15:17 can't he just re-root ? Jun 20 05:15:46 he should be able too Jun 20 05:15:47 >.> Jun 20 05:16:00 jblebrun_on_beer: yeah, colorado springs Jun 20 05:16:11 I've never been to CO... Jun 20 05:16:20 ( I just now googled that Brewery ) Jun 20 05:16:48 jblebrun_on_beer: beautiful this time of year, and tons of great breweries as a side bonus :) Jun 20 05:17:00 That's a good advertisement right there. Jun 20 05:17:43 root@castle:/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers# launcher-assi Jun 20 05:17:43 stant.js Jun 20 05:17:43 sh: launcher-assistant.js: Permission denied Jun 20 05:17:46 We had the Great Lakes Grassroots Ale today at work. Not one to complain about free beer - especially when it's actual beer - but it was kind of gross. Jun 20 05:18:04 hmm Jun 20 05:18:12 bsiegel: That's always a tought position to be in Jun 20 05:18:17 *tough Jun 20 05:18:22 hmm, wild yeast? Jun 20 05:18:29 Any idea why that happened? Jun 20 05:18:30 the talk.py script Jun 20 05:18:32 does it not work Jun 20 05:18:35 bsiegel: have to wonder Jun 20 05:18:36 with the newer os Jun 20 05:18:42 jblebrun do i need to change anything for my usb mode to work again? Jun 20 05:19:15 JRz: Are you using Windows? Jun 20 05:19:16 ProtossEX it has been reported to work with 1.03 Jun 20 05:19:17 bsiegel: any beer with reviews online like "The taste isn't quite as bad as it smells" can't be referring to a good beer Jun 20 05:19:19 yes Jun 20 05:19:20 vista Jun 20 05:19:27 LOL!! Jun 20 05:19:36 I wasn't ever able to get the novaproxy.py to work Jun 20 05:19:42 You know, we had a party here a few weeks ago, and we got a keg of PBR... Jun 20 05:19:54 JRz: I'm afraid I won't be much help... I don't use Windows anymore :( Jun 20 05:19:56 destinal_beer: Nah I like wild yeast beers, I don't think the grassroots ale is it. It's a saison-style with loads of chamomile and, well, it sort of tastes like drinking potpourri... Jun 20 05:19:56 jblebrun_on_beer: lmao PBR Jun 20 05:20:07 bsiegel: aha Jun 20 05:20:09 Well it didn't get kicked at the party Jun 20 05:20:10 well anybody using windows with this problem? Jun 20 05:20:20 so my roommate emptied it into plastic jugs and soda bottles Jun 20 05:20:20 i wonder what is causing the rror Jun 20 05:20:28 showergel: I'm working on novaproxy right now if you need some help, I'm helping asedeno maintain it. Jun 20 05:20:32 And I have to say... PBR actually tastes *better* two days later, slightly flat. Jun 20 05:20:34 for line 48 and line 27 Jun 20 05:20:36 bsiegel: I love that quote tho Jun 20 05:20:38 getport Jun 20 05:20:44 How do i edit launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 05:21:30 Chamomile is not a flavor for beer to have. Jun 20 05:21:34 @bsiegel - it always stopped after it said listening on port .. 8 whatever it was. the firewall and all of that good stuff was off. Jun 20 05:21:43 That's like saying your steak tastes like lettuce. Jun 20 05:21:47 jblebrun_on_beer: totally agree Jun 20 05:21:56 iimop45: If you are comfortable using vi, just type vi launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 05:22:14 If you're not comfortable with vi, there's a short description of vi on the dev wiki... Jun 20 05:22:22 I think the more beer, the more offtopic we get :) Jun 20 05:22:25 It's useful to know at least a few basic vi commands :-) Jun 20 05:22:25 showergel: Are you using telnet to connect to the listening port? Jun 20 05:22:55 @bsiegel: perhaps that is the missing link. Jun 20 05:23:02 how to get syntax on for vi? Jun 20 05:23:33 I'm trying to add one page for all my new apps. http://predev.wikidot.com/add-delete-pages-in-the-launcher Jun 20 05:23:36 any suggestions for http://webos.pastebin.com/m2b3ceb5c Jun 20 05:23:41 :syntax on is not working Jun 20 05:23:48 How I knew I loved vi: When I saw my boss use a single cryptic line in Vi to replace - via a regexp - all references to a string and its permutations with another, across all the files in the code base Jun 20 05:23:52 @bsiegel I was waiting on the script to tell me the pre was found and was on a specific port. Must have misinterpreted the message on screen. Jun 20 05:24:07 showergel: I am using PuTTY, It works far better Jun 20 05:24:16 Oh Jun 20 05:24:25 @bsiegel I use putty :) Jun 20 05:24:26 Pull the latest version from the site, it has more helpful messages. Jun 20 05:24:42 was it updated today er yesterday :) Jun 20 05:24:44 bkuberek: http://www.eec.com/business/vi.html Jun 20 05:24:46 the module is in the device manager Jun 20 05:24:59 bkuberek: http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html Jun 20 05:25:10 i'm showing 3 days old Jun 20 05:25:13 destinal_beer: thanks Jun 20 05:25:30 bkuberek: you're welcome. there's a great o'reilly book also Jun 20 05:26:06 a bit of a learning curve but it's very worthwhile Jun 20 05:26:39 Whats the pre reboot code? Jun 20 05:27:10 destinal_beer: that's a great resourece thanks. I don't need help using vi though, I'm having trouble turning syntax highlighting on Jun 20 05:27:15 iimop45: You can pres Orange+Sym+R Jun 20 05:27:17 reboot Jun 20 05:27:22 oh, syntax HIGHLIGHTING Jun 20 05:27:23 right Jun 20 05:27:23 or that Jun 20 05:27:35 if i wipe the pre will it wipe the os Jun 20 05:27:47 i mean wipe the webos version Jun 20 05:27:57 Yes i know but do you remember the reboot? Eh doesnt matter Jun 20 05:28:02 if I drin all beer is there any beer left? Jun 20 05:28:08 I can wipe the pre from exchange or from www.palm.com Jun 20 05:28:09 bkuberek: sorry I read it as syntax on vi, not syntax highlighting on in vi :) Jun 20 05:28:19 sorry Jun 20 05:28:27 @bsiegel - i get it now. Jun 20 05:28:34 see I usually do :syntax on Jun 20 05:28:46 it could be busybox vi doesn't have it Jun 20 05:28:50 and you need to install vim Jun 20 05:29:22 install vim from ipkg ;-) Jun 20 05:29:23 ok. it says :s expression missing delimiters Jun 20 05:29:32 Its strange, why dont they include things like "Newpage"? Why should we need to hack for the obvious???? Jun 20 05:29:32 cool Jun 20 05:29:42 vim = better vi Jun 20 05:30:25 @bsiegel - the only issue is novaproxy seems to add an extra LF Jun 20 05:30:27 most modern linux and similar use vi -> vim symlinks I think, so what you're used to is probably vim Jun 20 05:30:56 vi on Pre is busybox vi Jun 20 05:31:00 definitely not vim :_) Jun 20 05:31:10 yeah, very simple and lightweight, as it should be Jun 20 05:31:16 installing vim now Jun 20 05:31:32 busybox is an awesome concept Jun 20 05:31:41 yeah Jun 20 05:31:49 but I installed vim anyway :-D Jun 20 05:31:51 So webshell seems to work ok but when I run top, python is using giant amounts of CPU. Is there anything nicer? Jun 20 05:32:08 I cant get webshell to work right Jun 20 05:32:11 jjore: Not yet, but some people here are working on it Jun 20 05:32:37 jblebrun: yeah, the only thing about it is that a lot of the busybox components seem to have small bugs or important missing features comapred to the originals, but mostly it's good Jun 20 05:32:43 In my experience, webshell hasn't been more than a good proof of concept thing. Jun 20 05:32:51 cool. usually webshel only works after I refresh the page and not very good Jun 20 05:33:06 bkuberek: when I first started using webshell, I found it was flashing a "would you like to accept this rsa key?" question to which the answer is "yes" Jun 20 05:33:07 destinal: Yeah, they're definitely stripped down, but the core stuff is there. Jun 20 05:33:16 destinal: Have you noticed that the help is off by one? Jun 20 05:33:25 jblebrun: lol I heard that Jun 20 05:33:29 Had to say "yes" something like four or five times to get it /really/ done. Jun 20 05:33:38 showergel: Adds an extra LF in what situations? Jun 20 05:33:48 jblebrun: we really really need browser plugins. Jun 20 05:33:51 anyone down for reverse engineering the browser plugin framewor? Jun 20 05:34:07 destinal: Yeah. And a compass ;-) Jun 20 05:34:18 Isnt it possible to just port from linux distros? Jun 20 05:34:18 lol compass Jun 20 05:34:20 showergel: The helpful instructions now tell you to "Launch PuTTY and connect to this port in RAW mode with 'Terminal -> Line discipline' options all set to 'Force off'. Jun 20 05:34:28 or they will, once I do a commit :p Jun 20 05:34:28 would love contextual menus on the browser Jun 20 05:34:39 where is the mojo logs on the pre? Jun 20 05:34:40 well by browser plugins I mean like what classic does Jun 20 05:34:47 bkuberek: I'd be happy if I could just download pics Jun 20 05:34:50 local binaries with a rich luna-based gui Jun 20 05:34:51 Mouseovers would be nice, too Jun 20 05:34:52 @bsiegel - awesome, lol. was all confused at it Jun 20 05:35:17 If you set that setting, the linefeeds are taken care of. Might put in some effort to fix that so its no longer needed Jun 20 05:35:19 Hey, cant we use the Palm OS ROM without buting the Classic app? Jun 20 05:35:19 as opposed to mojo apps Jun 20 05:35:38 invalid Literal for int() with base 10: Jun 20 05:35:43 any suggesions Jun 20 05:35:44 mojo is pretty damned powerful for an HTML+JS framework Jun 20 05:35:46 I am trying this with cygwin Jun 20 05:35:49 buying* The ROM is there Jun 20 05:35:59 iimop45: maybe, but what i mean, is figuring out how classic does what it does and applying it to running a terminal program for instance Jun 20 05:36:33 not in palm os per se but just native binaries with a proper gui Jun 20 05:36:42 no one has any idea where the mojo log is? Jun 20 05:36:42 i'm working on finding a way to run console apps via mojo now. i am looking through all the luna jar files and maybe i can mod or copy one with my own functions. not sure if i'm on the right track or not ol Jun 20 05:36:47 Are the apps locked down in /var? i.e., hacking Classic App? Jun 20 05:37:09 so after installing vim, syntax highlighting works fine Jun 20 05:37:17 vim FTW Jun 20 05:38:12 BinaryTech: You're going to have trouble modifying any of the Java class files without access to the source code. Jun 20 05:38:25 sorry my ignorance. what's FTW? Jun 20 05:38:32 ShinAli: Errors are logged to /var/log/messages, I presume that is not what you are looking for? Jun 20 05:38:49 bkuberek: For The Win Jun 20 05:39:06 no, Mojo has log calls whenever they do things, and I don't see those logs inside of messages Jun 20 05:39:13 unless i'm blind Jun 20 05:39:13 jblebrun were do you think i should be heading to accomplish this? Jun 20 05:39:43 night all Jun 20 05:39:58 G'night, destinal Jun 20 05:40:03 night destinal Jun 20 05:40:31 Is Mojo a pile of Java? I notice Java is the largest CPU cost when watching from novaterm while doing nothing in particular. Jun 20 05:40:46 Hey wheres the app folder? Jun 20 05:40:48 jjre: A lot of the support services for Mojo are implemented in Java Jun 20 05:40:54 anybody running windows vista and having problems with the usb after new update ? Jun 20 05:40:54 thx Jun 20 05:41:04 For the win (It came from the old game show Hollywood Squares) Jun 20 05:41:07 The logs are appended to /var/log/messages on the device or emulator. Jun 20 05:41:09 for webos applications, not mojo Jun 20 05:41:12 BinaryTech: Do you mean that you want to start some of the framebuffer apps like the NES emulator, from the GUI? Jun 20 05:41:15 mojo can just call services Jun 20 05:41:21 is there any way to fiew /usr/palm in os x? or are you stuck looking at it in terminal? Jun 20 05:41:33 view* Jun 20 05:41:49 no i just want to get a simple shell reboot command to run when i click a icon in mojo/javascript. Jun 20 05:41:50 brick: You can look at it in OS X Terminal :-) Jun 20 05:41:51 webos doctor to the rescue Jun 20 05:41:56 !seen retry Jun 20 05:41:58 brick: Do you mean that you want to see it in Finder? Jun 20 05:42:03 mount it? Jun 20 05:42:14 god DAMNIT where is the damn mojo log Jun 20 05:42:19 Yeah in finder, but when it's mounted, you can't find /usr/palm Jun 20 05:42:35 * sugardave knows nothing about OS X. Jun 20 05:42:45 don't listen to me Jun 20 05:42:53 mount was the right word Jun 20 05:43:01 it's almost 1, so i'm running off strict energy Jun 20 05:43:03 BinaryTech: Unfortunately, that's not easy. And for good reason: I think that Palm would like to prevent App creators from executing arbitrary shell/native code. Jun 20 05:43:15 [Announce]: novaproxy updated, get latest from http://github.com/asedeno/novaproxy/ Jun 20 05:43:25 brick_: As sugardave said, you would need to mount it Jun 20 05:43:26 noice Jun 20 05:43:37 does the pre ever output in color on the command line? Jun 20 05:43:41 brick_: Are you sure what you're doing right now is mounting? Jun 20 05:43:53 haha, probably not Jun 20 05:44:02 framework_config.json http://webos.pastebin.com/f3696805d Jun 20 05:44:08 you'll know when you are...it feels different Jun 20 05:44:11 showergel: It can Jun 20 05:44:24 shinali mentioned being able to call services from mojo, can you give me an example? Jun 20 05:44:29 brick_: If you're connected via Novaterm, or SSH, that's not mounting. Jun 20 05:44:53 The streaming application needs to die in a fire. Jun 20 05:44:59 brick_: However, it would be possible to make it accessible in Finder. It would take a bit of work, though. Jun 20 05:45:10 Binarytech: You just need the URI of a service and a message to pass it. Jun 20 05:45:20 and optionally parameters to that message Jun 20 05:45:28 i just wanted to know what all I pasted into the folder /usr/palm Jun 20 05:45:34 Binarytech: Check out that Hello World example on the dev wiki. Jun 20 05:45:38 He calls the location services there. Jun 20 05:45:52 ahh ok that might help me out, thanks Jun 20 05:45:55 oh, is the app itself updated? Jun 20 05:45:59 is /var/palm where the Apps get installed to? Jun 20 05:46:13 the only time the terminal has spat out color was when i used joe Jun 20 05:46:14 iimop, no should be /usr/palm Jun 20 05:46:17 usr Jun 20 05:46:28 Binarytech: Check out the luna-send page on the wiki, too. It's not going to solve your problem, but it might give you more insight into how things work. Jun 20 05:46:33 No Jun 20 05:46:35 showergel when I ran irssi the other night, I got its colors Jun 20 05:46:39 /var/usr/palm/applications Jun 20 05:46:43 Is where downloaded apps are stored Jun 20 05:46:43 ok going to read it now Jun 20 05:46:52 ok, is it looked down or can you read the apps codes? Jun 20 05:46:58 someone pasted this here before: Jun 20 05:46:59 find /* | grep appinfo.json Jun 20 05:47:05 iimop45: You can read the code for the apps. Jun 20 05:47:10 this will reveall all apps Jun 20 05:47:21 bukberek +1 Jun 20 05:47:26 everyone should have installed via ipkg-opt mlocate , Jun 20 05:47:42 i suppose what i mean more specifically is color coding directories, executables Jun 20 05:47:43 it will index your entire device, so you can quickly locate Jun 20 05:47:44 find / -name "appinf.json" Jun 20 05:47:50 appinfo Jun 20 05:47:50 CAnt you reverse engineer the classic app then? Or even disable the classics trial? Jun 20 05:47:51 oops Jun 20 05:48:47 iimop45: Disabling restrictions on commercial software isn't appropriate discussion for in here. Jun 20 05:49:05 Ok ok, so i see its possible then :p Jun 20 05:49:20 iimop45: I don't know, as I haven't downloaded or tried classic at all. Jun 20 05:49:31 guys do i need to run webos doctor for my usb to worj again? Jun 20 05:49:34 work Jun 20 05:49:56 If I need a Classic app, I get my centro out :-) Jun 20 05:50:11 note: there is a lot of good stuff on webos.pastebin.com look for posts from test Jun 20 05:50:13 I want my Palm OS apps back.... Jun 20 05:50:30 Likely the trial part is in the binary plugin. Easiest way to deal with it is buying a copy. Jun 20 05:51:05 binary plugin is what exactly? Jun 20 05:51:33 I wish the classic app did sound properly. I did hack it to turn on the "Experimental" sound. No surprise it didn't work. Jun 20 05:51:54 iimop45: Native code in webOS is used similarly to the way your flash plugin works in a desktop browser Jun 20 05:52:26 Short of paying for it there is no easy hack., Jun 20 05:52:43 Yeah the classic app needs a LOT of work. I would lik to have Palm os apps link directly from the WEBos launcher, like the world clock. I lovd it. Jun 20 05:53:16 Then cant you just remove parts of the plugin? Jun 20 05:53:48 It's a binary executable... Not easily. Jun 20 05:53:51 iimop45: No, the plugins are native machine code. Jun 20 05:54:23 iimop45: If you know how to disassemble object files, and edit assembly, then you might be able to make the changes you need. Jun 20 05:54:40 Nobody here is going to do it. Jun 20 05:55:03 They should get it working better and give people another 7 days to test it out. (IMHO) Jun 20 05:55:06 Hmm, remove the flash plugin, flash doesnt work. REmove the the binary plugin, Classic deosnt work. Well, no one here is going to say theyre doing it Jun 20 05:55:17 The people here who know how to do it are not going to do it to circumvent licensing restrictions. :-) Jun 20 05:55:47 Yes, the Palm OS was so easy to bypass trials Jun 20 05:56:03 I would rather those people work on a generic frame buffer plugin. Jun 20 05:56:08 Hah, yeah, I disassembled so many PalmOS apps back in the day... Jun 20 05:56:21 I could even do it. Jun 20 05:56:29 My excuse is that I was a grad student ;-) Jun 20 05:57:10 so did todays update break anyone's pre? Jun 20 05:57:11 My excuse... i was bored and not wanting to pay money :) Jun 20 05:57:23 alright, goodnight all...going to go geocaching tomorrow Jun 20 05:57:25 Bales: It did not break my Pre Jun 20 05:57:29 works fine Jun 20 05:57:31 gnight sugardave Jun 20 05:57:33 If you can afford a pre I would think you could afford classic. Jun 20 05:57:34 and by anyone, i mean, those that had been hacking it Jun 20 05:57:42 nught nught Jun 20 05:58:13 Bales: I rooted mine on OS X, modified the partition strucuture, and made a number of mods. Nothing was hurt in the update. However, I didn't make any mods on the particular apps that were updated. Jun 20 05:58:21 It doesn't work well enough for me to buy it. Jun 20 05:58:25 night night* Actually, im seld my centro so the pre only $50 Jun 20 05:58:29 yes, generic plugin, how do you think that will work? Jun 20 05:58:32 Hell or crack it for that matter. Jun 20 05:58:33 Lurking_Grue: From what I've heard, I wouldn't buy it , either. Jun 20 05:58:35 i sold* Jun 20 05:58:46 I'm not buying it. Jun 20 05:58:47 tmzt: Hello Jun 20 05:59:05 I can't get ljp or kinoma running on it so I gave up on it. Jun 20 05:59:32 YES Jun 20 05:59:33 I got my centro for free also (on the phone with sprint for an hour to refund me for it) Jun 20 05:59:42 anyone on the wiki know if there's any sort of "talk" functionality like on wikipedia? Jun 20 05:59:46 at least, i think i accomplished something Jun 20 05:59:49 it's not intended to be a media player Jun 20 05:59:53 bpadalino: i think my java service works Jun 20 05:59:54 what is ljp? Jun 20 05:59:57 The only Classic programs I used don't require network, so I just use my Centro :-) Jun 20 06:00:04 tmzt: game console emu Jun 20 06:00:27 whcich probably writes directly to the screen Jun 20 06:00:27 Emulator for multiple systems: http://www.little-john.net/ Jun 20 06:00:31 tmzt: Pretty good shit, actually. I played through a number of NES/GBC games on it. Jun 20 06:00:38 ok lets say i want to write a plugin similar to the ones palm uses to access the terminal or services. what language should i use and what are they classified ass? java browser plugin is that all i'm gonna need to write? or some other type of service? i know quite a few languages but the most linux work i've done is setting up my webservers. Jun 20 06:00:41 How do i see whats written in apps? Jun 20 06:01:27 Iim: read here: http://predev.wikidot.com/ Jun 20 06:01:58 Question about /etc/profile - is it okay to set TERM=linux ? Jun 20 06:02:16 Binarytech: The browser plugins were written in a language that compiles to native code, like C or C++ Jun 20 06:02:39 Binarytech: However, it's quite likely that you'd need headers to properly link to the luna/webOS services Jun 20 06:04:09 In theory you could reverse engineer the necessary headers, but that would be quite a bit of sleuthing, and probably not worth the effort. Jun 20 06:04:39 It would require a knowledge of Linux at the assembly level. Jun 20 06:04:47 ok i think im gonna just move onto something else until someone else figures it out. Jun 20 06:05:01 yea i can understand asm but thats on windows apps. Jun 20 06:05:26 not sure if its the same structure Jun 20 06:06:03 appinfo.json only gives you general info, any way of getting something more indepth? Jun 20 06:07:15 BinaryTech: You'd need to infer which libraries the plugins use, what exported symbols they use, and be familiar enough with calling conventions to infer the signature of the functions. Jun 20 06:09:25 Binarytech: the pre is of ARM architecture, very different from x86 Jun 20 06:09:25 Well, that killed the conversation. Jun 20 06:09:37 yea, ARM is easier ;-) Jun 20 06:09:42 oh yes Jun 20 06:09:57 still, different Jun 20 06:10:01 Hey, did the tests of turning scalling on turn out ok? Jun 20 06:10:24 ShinAli: is there an ISA more convoluted than x86? Jun 20 06:10:43 also programming browser plugins might be possible if the unbotched webcore patch that palm will eventually release might include such headers Jun 20 06:10:44 iimop45: The tests of what? Jun 20 06:10:54 Probably would work but I wonder if current plugins could be adapted... say mediaplaying. A ssh client that is talking to the display as a mpeg. Jun 20 06:10:55 ShinAli: True story. Jun 20 06:11:03 ShinAli: Do you think they did that on purpose? Jun 20 06:11:20 Scalling the cpufreq Jun 20 06:11:20 jblebrun: well the patch didn't create ANY new files at all Jun 20 06:11:28 just modified stuff Jun 20 06:11:46 that and saurik emailed them and they replied that they'd get right on it Jun 20 06:11:53 Well, that's good. Jun 20 06:11:55 EX: scaling idle down to 125mhz Jun 20 06:12:05 Oh, good question Jun 20 06:12:08 I haven't heard Jun 20 06:12:38 Who was it who was doing that? I cant believe its tuned to 500 mhz ALL of the time Jun 20 06:12:46 i think i have a working system service but i can't write webOS apps for shit to test them out in such an environment Jun 20 06:13:05 ShinAli: i.e., a working dbus service? Jun 20 06:13:26 jblebrun: i think so! in java, though Jun 20 06:13:36 jblebrun: any idea what NpWindow is? Jun 20 06:13:38 i did a luna-send to it and it replied back Jun 20 06:13:44 Wow Jun 20 06:13:55 post it on the wiki for testing if you want. i'll write a test application if you list the functions and params Jun 20 06:14:06 it was surprisingly easy to write it in java Jun 20 06:14:59 ShinAli: Sounds like a terminal app waiting to happen Jun 20 06:15:09 jblebrun: that's what i'm hoping Jun 20 06:15:11 it would give me an idea of what is required. kinda hard sifting through palm code lol. Jun 20 06:15:37 i'm thinking about running a shell as a process and hooking up the output and input streams of it through the service methods Jun 20 06:15:46 ShinAli: I think that's a great idea. Jun 20 06:16:00 though it probably won't be that efficient if i'm going to do it character by character Jun 20 06:16:26 ShinAli: What about buffering the stream and using a timeout? Jun 20 06:16:34 i need to write a webOS app to test my service in the webOS environment first though, to see if it really works Jun 20 06:17:00 jblebrun: that's what i was thinking about Jun 20 06:17:05 If luna-send works, I'd be surprised if it didn't work in webOS Jun 20 06:17:11 Wow that's really great Jun 20 06:17:55 So how does it work? Is it just straight dbus? Jun 20 06:18:38 jblebrun: well theres a bunch of java libraries that communicate with dbus in the system, but palm developed a service framework in java to implement java-based services Jun 20 06:18:49 * rwhitby-treo checks in for a while Jun 20 06:18:50 all i really had to do is extend a class and throw in some methods Jun 20 06:19:28 aside from that, i put in a script in /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services to associate a name with my service and how to start it Jun 20 06:20:02 luna-helper takes care most of the work] Jun 20 06:20:06 really simple Jun 20 06:20:29 Are you going to doc this on the wiki? Jun 20 06:20:34 yup Jun 20 06:20:43 I'd like to read about it with less beer in my brain. Jun 20 06:20:46 awesome Jun 20 06:20:52 very interested Jun 20 06:20:53 rwhitby-treo: http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/changeset/10324 Jun 20 06:21:04 ShinAli: what's new? Jun 20 06:21:14 i've played with the scaling and some of the apps don't like it much Jun 20 06:21:18 e.g. video Jun 20 06:21:28 rwhitby-treo: i wrote a java-based service that works through dbus Jun 20 06:21:29 eno: can't browse from here - synopsys? Jun 20 06:21:49 rwhitby-treo: i didn't confirm it in a webOS app yet but it works through luna-send Jun 20 06:21:57 ah nice, so dbus is available through gui now Jun 20 06:22:16 What about making an "economy" button to press to scale back and press it again to make it normal? Jun 20 06:22:29 rwhitby-treo: just checked in pre kmods, builder is building, feed coming soon Jun 20 06:22:29 just java based stuff, but yeah Jun 20 06:22:40 ShinAli: now just write a dbus listener that executes commands ... Jun 20 06:22:55 eno: nice work Jun 20 06:23:04 showergel:What about making an "economy" button to press to scale back and press it again to make it normal? Jun 20 06:23:04 that'd be really easy, let me try that very quickly Jun 20 06:23:07 eno: is nfs enabled in the kernel? Jun 20 06:23:21 Man, I feel like a slacker now ;-) Jun 20 06:23:43 nfs client already in kernel, enabled nfs kernel server Jun 20 06:24:40 actually without usb host, not many kmods to enable Jun 20 06:24:47 eno: are you able to run kernels? Jun 20 06:24:59 no, i don't even have a device Jun 20 06:25:10 can you enable usb host and otg? Jun 20 06:26:20 bseigel: talk.py is going to be replaced by novaproxy soon anyway Jun 20 06:26:58 you better build and enable that yourself, since you'll probably need to replace the kernel Jun 20 06:27:17 Has anyone built a new uImage yet? Jun 20 06:27:18 have you been able to replace the kernel? Jun 20 06:27:19 oh Jun 20 06:27:24 me neither Jun 20 06:27:53 I'm trying to install graphical shell with webshell but when I execute "sudo /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install python" I get "sudo not found" and if I try it without sudo (since I'm already SU -) I get a download error "Failed to download sqlite. Perhaps you need to run 'ipkg update'?" Anyone know what this is? Jun 20 06:28:26 i did not build or package uImage to be on the safe side Jun 20 06:28:29 Ok, silly question, but did you trying running ipkg update? :-) Jun 20 06:28:56 but if you look at http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/changeset/10324 Jun 20 06:29:26 it's trivial to enable it to build uImage Jun 20 06:29:50 Maybe it's late but I was just following the instructions on the Dev site. What's the update command again? Jun 20 06:30:12 I apologize for a real noob question, but I haven't found much: Is there anyone working on unlocking the Pre so that I can use it on Alltel (or any other carrier)? Jun 20 06:31:57 Could only be used on a CDMA network Jun 20 06:32:02 kmods feed is up http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/ Jun 20 06:32:17 Alltel is CDMA, isn't it? Jun 20 06:32:21 Yes Jun 20 06:33:02 Is it "sudo apt-get update" ? Jun 20 06:33:16 deesugar: No, it's /opt/bin/ipkg update Jun 20 06:33:43 Collin: if you know your MSL I think you can do most of that with a ##DATA# Jun 20 06:33:54 collin: you would have to be able to register the phone with alltel's network Jun 20 06:34:05 deesugar: sqlite got updated recently in the feed Jun 20 06:34:09 Thanks jblebrun Jun 20 06:34:14 Will EVDO work right off that? Jun 20 06:34:32 I don't know if the Pre is actually locked, it's not the same as gsm in that way Jun 20 06:35:27 What makes it "locked"? Jun 20 06:35:41 * ShinAli is only good for java Jun 20 06:36:09 ShinAli: Well most of the Luna stuff is written in Java, isn't it? Jun 20 06:36:22 eno: shall we update the instructions to include both feeds in optware.conf? Jun 20 06:36:25 cp ~/projects/helloservice/dist/hello.jar /Volumes/PALM\ PRE/hello.jar Jun 20 06:36:29 wait wtf Jun 20 06:36:33 thats not terminal Jun 20 06:36:37 :-| Jun 20 06:36:43 deesugar: MSL like you said or SPC Jun 20 06:37:07 the important thing is the meid/esn has to be accepted by the other network Jun 20 06:37:28 Collen: You're only problem from what a Sprint tech told me is the ESN numbers have to be in Alltels system this is done to prevent people from switching. Jun 20 06:37:39 MSl is easy to get] Jun 20 06:38:07 rwhitby-treo: let's hear some feedback before we enable the pre feed Jun 20 06:38:08 Call Sprint tell them you have to do a complete delte/restore and need the MSL code Jun 20 06:38:26 if switching is acceptable to the Sprint TOS, then ask them If not, it's off-topic here. Jun 20 06:38:27 deesugar: Thanks, Alltel is pretty open about accepting ESNs from what I hear. Jun 20 06:39:07 rwhitby-treo: Sprint TOS? Jun 20 06:39:16 Terms Of Service Jun 20 06:39:29 since it's a Sprint-only phone at the moment Jun 20 06:39:45 he doesn't want to use Sprint service, the question is the contract more than TOS Jun 20 06:40:02 Sure, but I can buy them off eBay or at best buy, that wouldn't force you to accept Sprint TOS Jun 20 06:40:12 like the Palm people here have said unofficially, that's between Sprint and Palm Jun 20 06:40:22 I'm sorry if I am dragging the room too far off focus, anywhere else I should go? Jun 20 06:40:39 there's an efnet channel Jun 20 06:40:59 if he bought it with a discount he may still be required to pay etf or pay for monthly service Jun 20 06:41:43 what needs to be off-topic (and is legally questioanle here) is changing MEID/ESN, preventing it's use on some networks Jun 20 06:41:46 tmzt: when it's out of Sprint exclusivity, the policy can change. until then, it won't. Jun 20 06:42:33 Sure, but MEID/ESN is only an issue if the carrier doesn't accept outside equipment, correct? Jun 20 06:43:12 what's the correct way of writing a JSON object with multiple values? Jun 20 06:43:27 {param1:"hello", param2:"world"} ? Jun 20 06:43:29 collin: ask Sprint or Palm. Jun 20 06:43:33 Collin: I'm assuming you don't have the Pre yet, right? Jun 20 06:43:41 deesugar: correct Jun 20 06:44:33 buying the phone and using it another network breaks Palm's exclusivity agreement with Sprint. Jun 20 06:44:45 Wouldn't he have to also bypass the setup? Jun 20 06:44:52 if that happens, Palm may come after us. Jun 20 06:45:05 deesugar: Sure, but that has been done. Jun 20 06:45:17 Just making sure you knew about it Jun 20 06:45:37 Research, my friend. I am very cautious. Jun 20 06:45:42 oh SHIT it works Jun 20 06:45:48 rwhitby-treo: i can run commands Jun 20 06:46:04 Okay, where on efnet so I can stop distracting you guys? Jun 20 06:46:52 ShinAli palm:// thing? Jun 20 06:46:56 collin: hmm - we used to have it in the topic Jun 20 06:47:02 yes Jun 20 06:47:08 Awesome brah! Jun 20 06:47:11 ^5 Jun 20 06:47:11 collin: check the channel logs from the first day Jun 20 06:47:14 webosdev i believe Jun 20 06:47:24 yo thats great news Jun 20 06:47:28 ShinAli: nice work Jun 20 06:47:34 root@castle:/# luna-send -n 1 palm://com.shinali.services.hello/runCmd {\"prog\":\"ls\",\"param\":\"\/\"} Jun 20 06:47:34 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"output":"binbootdevdspbridgeetchomeliblost+foundmd5sumsmediamntoptopt.origprocrootsbinsystmpusrvar"} Jun 20 06:47:39 nice found Jun 20 06:47:39 Key shift-sym-l to dump the HTML for the current scene. Jun 20 06:47:58 * oc80z ponders Jun 20 06:48:01 bkuberek: sweet. where's it dump to? Jun 20 06:48:02 How do you scale the cpu? anyone know? Jun 20 06:48:12 iimop45 its in the wiki Jun 20 06:48:21 iimop45: http://predev.wikidot.com/processor Jun 20 06:48:33 do we need any !commands Jun 20 06:48:46 ShinAli: So what's the relationship between luna-send and dbus? Jun 20 06:49:00 ShinAli: next step, a single line command executor app ... where's EvanPro? Jun 20 06:49:21 ok, thanks :) Jun 20 06:49:30 Quick question: How do I get my Pre's EV-DO ip through SSH shell? Jun 20 06:49:39 jblebrun: luna-send is more of a helper program to send messages through the dbus i would think Jun 20 06:49:46 ifconfig Jun 20 06:49:49 ultra: ifconfig Jun 20 06:50:00 thanks Jun 20 06:50:01 ShinAli: So it's just a parser/formatter thing? Jun 20 06:50:24 rwhitby-treo: could you guide ppl for some kmod testing? i'm going to bed Jun 20 06:50:25 i would like to think so, but i don't know much about dbus either Jun 20 06:50:29 Well shit, we can throw a command line execute app together in the next 10 minutes Jun 20 06:50:37 i just saw the java stuff using it and i was like "welp" Jun 20 06:51:24 jblebrun: next thing to add to gitorious/applications? Jun 20 06:51:31 i'm just glad i accomplished something Jun 20 06:51:31 So then, luna basically listens on dbus for com.palm messages, and triggers the appropriate class when needed? Jun 20 06:51:43 DDNS changing worth it? Jun 20 06:51:51 yep Jun 20 06:52:00 ddns /changing/? Jun 20 06:52:01 rwhitby: I'll do it, unless someone one does it before tomorrow. I've got to head to bed here, soon. Jun 20 06:52:11 iimop45: what do you mean changing? Jun 20 06:52:25 eno: I can help if you can explain what you're talking about Jun 20 06:52:35 jblebrun: braindump your idea before you go ... Jun 20 06:52:50 rwhitby-treo: i'm hoping to write a quick webOS app to test the service out in the webOS environment then try to write a real shell app Jun 20 06:53:06 rwhitby: Well basic command-response app should be trivial. Jun 20 06:53:07 THe wiki for DDNS Jun 20 06:53:26 let's get this app into git from the start so everyone can collaborate on the same code Jun 20 06:53:27 Dynamic DNS for your Pre Jun 20 06:53:40 iimop45: well of course it's good to update it, if that's what you mean Jun 20 06:54:05 Will it increase the speed that much? Jun 20 06:54:14 jblebrun: you have gitorious access, right? shin and evan do too. Jun 20 06:54:38 rwhitby: If ShinAli publishes his work somewhere, the east coast will be all over it long before I'm awake :-) Jun 20 06:55:07 that's a good thing, right? Jun 20 06:55:08 yeh, it's surprisingly easy to write these services Jun 20 06:55:31 Yes :-) Jun 20 06:55:44 I just made a gitorious account Jun 20 06:55:52 ShinAli: wiki page so someone else can reproduce? Jun 20 06:55:57 and this just proves palm wrote a good java vm! i can execute stuff! Jun 20 06:56:11 rwhitby-treo: aight Jun 20 06:56:26 jblebrun: wonder if I can do that from the Treo 650? Jun 20 06:56:48 (add your account) Jun 20 06:56:52 username? Jun 20 06:58:00 jblebrun Jun 20 06:58:48 dang, gitorious login page don't work in Xiino Jun 20 06:59:09 lulz Due to database reindexing search is temporarily unavailable. Jun 20 07:00:17 oc80z: Must be a Wikidot thing... Jun 20 07:00:26 It's taking forever. Jun 20 07:00:39 Hopefully not broken. Jun 20 07:02:20 On the email app, after accidental deletion, when trying to move to another folder, moving to inbox from trash fails. Anyone else notice this? Jun 20 07:02:51 <--off to bed Jun 20 07:03:29 hey rwhitby-treo Jun 20 07:03:31 JAR_DIR=${JAR_DIR:-/usr/lib/luna/java} Jun 20 07:03:37 how can i add another folder to that Jun 20 07:03:54 dunno - not a java guy Jun 20 07:04:02 its from a shell script Jun 20 07:04:34 the script i'm looking at grabs all the jars in that folder and adds it to the classpath Jun 20 07:04:51 depends if it's a multiple dir path or just single dir Jun 20 07:05:24 ah - just add your jars to classpath later Jun 20 07:05:57 oh it works, i just put my jar in that directory Jun 20 07:06:13 but i want to do some automagic so people wouldn't have to modify the root directory Jun 20 07:06:21 too much, i mean Jun 20 07:07:01 the script is /usr/bin/java-serviceboot if you want to take a look at it Jun 20 07:08:27 Parting wisdom: don't enable dev mode on a Pre thats in demo mode Jun 20 07:08:47 Thanks a lot for the help guys Jun 20 07:09:21 i guess i would need to add another dir variable and another for loop to that Jun 20 07:10:30 what you working on ShinAli Jun 20 07:10:31 yep Jun 20 07:10:50 so i enabled cpu scaling earlier today Jun 20 07:11:00 retry: i wrote a working service in java Jun 20 07:11:02 and i used 8% battery power since Jun 20 07:11:12 that's MOSTLy idle Jun 20 07:11:17 but I did do one gmaps search Jun 20 07:11:33 only confirmed through luna-send so i still need to test through a webOS app Jun 20 07:11:34 that's about 4 hours I reckon Jun 20 07:11:43 a working service in java eh? Jun 20 07:12:11 retry: so you figure it extended your batt life Jun 20 07:12:39 i THINK so Jun 20 07:12:44 honestly hard to be definitive Jun 20 07:12:50 because a) I've only had it a few days Jun 20 07:12:58 and b) I wasn't very careful about timing and comparing it Jun 20 07:13:26 well msot of us know that wifi on with mostly idle gives you abt 1.5-2 days of batt Jun 20 07:13:27 i was thinking of a way to hack the current battery % interface to do a remaining time estimate Jun 20 07:13:41 so let us know tomorrow ;] Jun 20 07:13:41 wifi on? Jun 20 07:13:56 wifi enabled, evdo on stdby ya Jun 20 07:13:59 seems like wifi off idling you get less than a full day of charge Jun 20 07:14:08 wifi is more efficient Jun 20 07:14:19 standby meaning not recieving calls/sms? Jun 20 07:14:25 correct Jun 20 07:14:31 grey EV icon Jun 20 07:14:36 oh well sure Jun 20 07:14:40 if there at all Jun 20 07:14:49 no bt Jun 20 07:14:51 * rwhitby-away wonders if BT is more efficient than wifi Jun 20 07:14:55 bt kinda slurps Jun 20 07:14:56 is there even a way to turn off the sprint network explicitly from the GUI? Jun 20 07:14:58 Does anyone have a link to that upgraded battery for the Pre on hand? I'm adding upgraded hardware to http://predev.wikidot.com/hardware for users to consider for purchase. Jun 20 07:15:18 rwhitby: How many phones do you have? Jun 20 07:15:26 oh hey ultraBlack Jun 20 07:15:31 ty for cleaning up my bash page today Jun 20 07:15:43 http://www.lesswatts.org/ Jun 20 07:15:44 retry: No prob Jun 20 07:15:53 will taht work? Jun 20 07:16:21 hm kinda intel specific Jun 20 07:16:29 Robix: I was looking for actual hardware. There's a battery out you can buy that has three times the capacity for the Pre. Jun 20 07:16:38 Or so I heard, about a week ago. Jun 20 07:16:43 Maybe longer. Jun 20 07:17:00 ultraBlack: sry, that was for retry , since we were yakking power mgmt Jun 20 07:17:12 Robix: ahh. That makes more sense Jun 20 07:17:18 ultraBlack: o nice is it thicker or just a lipo ? Jun 20 07:17:32 Robix: I believe it's the same size so as to fit in the Pre. Jun 20 07:17:53 wowza that's a keeper Jun 20 07:18:11 Of course there's this one: http://www.slashgear.com/seidio-extended-palm-pre-battery-promises-roughly-double-the-juice-1146757/ Jun 20 07:18:12 Robix, is airplane mode = turn off sprint network? Jun 20 07:18:19 another thing i wanna see is a DIY induction charger Jun 20 07:18:20 i kinda just ignored it Jun 20 07:18:23 retry: , yes Jun 20 07:18:25 I'm not sure. I haven't researched any of it out. Jun 20 07:18:47 right that makes sense Jun 20 07:19:05 $5 in parts cept the cover and contacts.. Jun 20 07:19:26 retry: airplane mode may cut all signals from the device.. does wifi still work? Jun 20 07:19:32 let me try Jun 20 07:19:53 see, http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/ is what u want Jun 20 07:20:00 tells u exactly whats sucking juice Jun 20 07:20:26 yes Robix Jun 20 07:20:30 My pre sucks juice like crazy Jun 20 07:20:32 airplane mode turns all networking off Jun 20 07:20:45 iimop45, try to enable freq scaling Jun 20 07:20:53 there's a wiki write up that is worth following Jun 20 07:21:07 you need to adjust one ondemand meta to get fluid video Jun 20 07:21:10 as of version 2.6.21, the Linux kernel went tickless, and no longer has a fixed 1000Hz timer tick. The result (in theory) is huge power savings because the CPU stays in low power mode for longer periods during system idle. Jun 20 07:21:11 and less choppy animations Jun 20 07:21:45 ooh powertop looks neat Jun 20 07:21:50 optware guys should package it Jun 20 07:22:08 ok, i will tomorrow. With powertop, how could you download it? Jun 20 07:22:13 you too can be an optware guy ... Jun 20 07:22:19 We need a power calculator app for the Pre. Jun 20 07:22:30 I loved powerHero Jun 20 07:22:31 yeah the built in calc BLOWS Jun 20 07:22:38 So anyone notice when you do Webshell a nice little on screen keybord pops up? Jun 20 07:22:46 The built in calc doesn't even do digit grouping Jun 20 07:23:06 Theres te old PALM OS calculator ROM that offers 8 modes. Jun 20 07:23:17 Anyway to make that come up in other apps??? Jun 20 07:23:23 What?? On scren keyboard?? Jun 20 07:23:41 Tell me how to see it Jun 20 07:23:52 Where do you want me to send the pics? Jun 20 07:24:04 I mean screen shots Jun 20 07:24:13 lucas.j@leftovermeatloaf.com Jun 20 07:24:37 Is it a long process to get it to pop up Jun 20 07:24:44 nope Jun 20 07:24:49 get what to pop up? Jun 20 07:25:03 An onscreen keyboard Jun 20 07:25:07 webshell is that the phpajax thing? Jun 20 07:25:23 Could someone explain how to do that? Jun 20 07:25:25 or something else Jun 20 07:25:39 ok so airplane mode shuts off all networking Jun 20 07:25:40 how lame Jun 20 07:25:52 there is no way to just turn off sprint from the gui is there Jun 20 07:26:17 retry: there's a wiki page for that Jun 20 07:26:20 You have to reenable wifi Jun 20 07:26:35 rwhitby, but i mean it requires a hack to happen yes? Jun 20 07:26:53 that's an oversight of PALM I'd say Jun 20 07:26:57 retry: probably not Jun 20 07:26:58 one of many Jun 20 07:27:03 Sargun: ShinAli has a command line service available from java Jun 20 07:27:14 rwhitby-treo, yeah? Jun 20 07:27:23 there's a wiki entry about a command with -i to turn wifi on w/o the pre knowing in the UI Jun 20 07:27:48 Sargun: next step is a command-line app to drive it Jun 20 07:28:05 ultraBlack: can i get you to add more stuff to the tweak ideas or can u 'bless' my new wiki account Jun 20 07:28:42 rwhitby-treo, I had done something very close (commands over HTTP), but the interface is too hard Jun 20 07:28:46 Robix: see /msg for wiki pw Jun 20 07:28:55 deesugar-Get my email? Jun 20 07:29:12 Sargun: his goes through dbus Jun 20 07:29:15 Just sent a bunch of beautiful shouts Jun 20 07:29:17 shots Jun 20 07:29:29 rwhitby, would it be that much better? Jun 20 07:29:46 Robix, it' needs to be possible from the GUI I say Jun 20 07:30:00 dunno - is your's written up to try? Jun 20 07:30:20 k Jun 20 07:30:24 although I don't care to disable sprint as much as say turn off sound when I miss a phone call Jun 20 07:30:34 but leave sound for SMS at max vol Jun 20 07:30:40 writing the services under java turned out to be really simple Jun 20 07:31:01 Oh wow... they are beautiful.. Why didnt palm enable it?? Jun 20 07:31:26 No one here cares about an on screen keyboard?? ltm Jun 20 07:31:37 not really Jun 20 07:31:50 i like analog controls whenever available Jun 20 07:32:33 But when your horizontal, its a pain to open your pre just to type a few things. Jun 20 07:32:53 iimop45: that keyboard is not palm code Jun 20 07:33:06 Robix: I cannot bless your wiki account, unfortunately, however I'll post whatever you give me. Jun 20 07:33:08 Is their a code to enable a virtual keyboard in the web app? Jun 20 07:33:11 I was just adding some things myself. Jun 20 07:33:25 landscape keyboard would be sweet Jun 20 07:33:52 Oh.. ok then. Whos keyboard is it? We need a landscape keyboard Jun 20 07:34:03 webshell Jun 20 07:34:20 It's landscape alright! It works in all modes Jun 20 07:34:23 iimop45: Adding that to Tweak Ideas. Jun 20 07:34:40 Yes? deesugar, you say we have that? Jun 20 07:34:55 SUCCESS Jun 20 07:34:56 I sent the pics Jun 20 07:35:09 so I've been working all night on a way to reload launcher apps without having to reboot Jun 20 07:35:19 deesugar: it's only for webshell, right? Jun 20 07:35:36 Whoes webshell? A user or a company? Jun 20 07:35:41 yeah, if it doesn't work in Web, we need to tweak that. Jun 20 07:36:00 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {\"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} <-- that seems to refresh the launcher app list. Jun 20 07:36:02 iimop45: webshell is a program Jun 20 07:37:11 A program for python scripts on a mobile phone? Jun 20 07:37:26 idk. Jun 20 07:37:33 So it was ported over to webos? Jun 20 07:37:43 yeah sorta Jun 20 07:37:47 if you want to call it that Jun 20 07:38:02 no Jun 20 07:38:08 "ported" Jun 20 07:38:13 it has nothing to do with webos Jun 20 07:38:38 linux then Jun 20 07:38:39 debian? Jun 20 07:38:44 it's a javascript app with no webos calls, right? Jun 20 07:38:49 Oh a gogle search showed it on an iPhone Jun 20 07:38:56 oh Jun 20 07:39:26 WebShell is a web-based ssh shell. Jun 20 07:39:27 It runs on any browser capable of JavaScript and AJAX. You can use it from any computer or iPhone/smartphone. Jun 20 07:39:41 from http://www.iphoneworld.ca/news/2007/08/12/iphone-webshell-v095-iphone-ssh-shell/ Jun 20 07:40:28 right, so the keyboard only works in that browser app Jun 20 07:41:00 I couldn't imagine why it would work globally. Jun 20 07:41:33 But maybe you could take those keyboard codes from it Jun 20 07:41:44 it won't - it has no knowledge of webos Jun 20 07:41:54 iimop45: no Jun 20 07:42:27 ok, so i followed the first 2 steps for scaling. What was the code that i needed to modifiy? Jun 20 07:42:33 the onscreen keyb needs to be like the launcher, so it can go on top of anything Jun 20 07:43:59 umm...i think i found a bug that will allow you to delete stock apps w/o root Jun 20 07:44:04 Retry:you need to adjust one ondemand meta to get fluid video Jun 20 07:44:15 Which meta? Jun 20 07:44:22 Pictures: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/187708-found-screen-keyboard.html Jun 20 07:44:23 it's in the wiki page Jun 20 07:44:33 something threshold Jun 20 07:44:36 ok Jun 20 07:44:41 default is 80 Jun 20 07:44:45 Bales: details? Jun 20 07:44:48 30 makes things pretty much ok Jun 20 07:45:13 omg, seriously though, I've been watching dbus for like 5 hours today trying to figure out how to edit applications without having to restart luna, I can sleep well now Jun 20 07:45:20 i was messing with the ondemand threshold while runing watch cat cpu_current_freq (or whatever it's called) Jun 20 07:45:26 you can see your frequency scaling in realtime that way Jun 20 07:45:27 But wouldnt increasing it make the previous change pointless? Jun 20 07:45:47 mdklein, you figured that out? Jun 20 07:45:51 retry yeah Jun 20 07:45:52 i haven't tried it yet....but if you go to device info > more info > software you get the list of apps right Jun 20 07:45:56 dude you gotta wiki it Jun 20 07:46:02 I put it in the wiki, it's not the cleanest method, but it works Jun 20 07:46:07 link? Jun 20 07:46:08 I thought the keyboard came with the webshell Jun 20 07:46:09 or title of page? Jun 20 07:46:26 if you try to tap a stock app you only get the option of "done"....but if you tap a downloaded app first, all apps after that give you the option to delete Jun 20 07:46:29 otherone: it does Jun 20 07:46:33 basically we send a remove application command to luna with an invalid package name (to avoid deleting an actual package) this triggers a rebuild Jun 20 07:46:42 o nice Jun 20 07:46:47 cool! Jun 20 07:46:51 I put it in both the hello world app page, and the luna-send page Jun 20 07:46:52 how fast does rebuild take? Jun 20 07:46:57 instant Jun 20 07:46:59 well Jun 20 07:47:02 second Jun 20 07:47:02 fantastic Jun 20 07:47:03 heh Jun 20 07:47:08 its just an inventory Jun 20 07:47:10 this will be a huge plus Jun 20 07:47:22 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {\"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} Jun 20 07:47:31 Bales: I think I noticed that too the day I got the phone. It was kinda weird. I got scared and closed that card, lol Jun 20 07:47:37 lol Jun 20 07:47:39 Bales: nice bug - one way to get rid of nascar? Jun 20 07:47:48 i don't really wanna delete anything so i'm leary about trying it Jun 20 07:47:54 anyone else feel brave enough? Jun 20 07:48:07 i don't have my phone backed up or anything...kinda a noob atm Jun 20 07:48:12 Yeah it might not let you. I would mind trying it if I didn't mind taking the time to backup Jun 20 07:48:14 someone just about to doctor anyway would be good Jun 20 07:48:27 wouldn't* Jun 20 07:48:30 are there any ramifications if I don't remount the filesystem readonly before I reboot? Jun 20 07:48:37 Alright I like to end things on a good note and that keybord find was it. I'm going to bed. Wake me when you guys have it working in all apps :) Jun 20 07:48:39 smack: Not really Jun 20 07:48:40 no Jun 20 07:48:40 as in, I'm stupid and forgot. Jun 20 07:48:46 smack, no you can do it Jun 20 07:48:49 i do it all the time Jun 20 07:48:57 Same Jun 20 07:49:00 just a good idea not to leave it that way when not hacking Jun 20 07:49:27 yeah, well I just restored the image and then updated to 1.0.3 and then rooted and made changes. Jun 20 07:49:46 anywhere i can upload a jar? Jun 20 07:49:53 is there a README on what was actually fixed in 1.0.3 ? Jun 20 07:49:53 this is my first time in here. Jun 20 07:50:04 and I wanna say you guys are awesome. Jun 20 07:50:10 hemna yes Jun 20 07:50:16 let me find it Jun 20 07:50:20 hemna: http://gizmodo.com/5297275/palm-pre-webos-103-update-improves-syncing-power-performance Jun 20 07:50:25 ShinAli - gitorious applications in a subdir, with source Jun 20 07:50:25 the wiki is getting disorganized as it grows Jun 20 07:50:30 thnx Jun 20 07:50:35 there it is Jun 20 07:50:39 hrm, ok, to update a package already installed it looks like you might have to move a file too, I'm still working on the method :-/ it seems to cache some additional code sigh, almost there though... trying something Jun 20 07:50:41 and as people discover better ways to do something (like mklein's luna cacheclear trick) Jun 20 07:50:51 allt he pages that used LunaSysMgr need to update or ought to anyway Jun 20 07:51:10 anyone try the ##ERR# code ? Jun 20 07:51:21 hi Jun 20 07:51:30 I'm pretty bummed about the SDK Jun 20 07:51:32 mdklein, is there maybe a luna cmd to explicitly tell it to rebuild the cache Jun 20 07:51:36 i would be surprised if not Jun 20 07:51:38 I'm dying for a real terminal Jun 20 07:51:40 has anyone got an app to execute linux commands?? Jun 20 07:51:50 retry: I've been looking Jun 20 07:51:51 by app you mean front end GUI app? Jun 20 07:51:54 ya Jun 20 07:51:58 mdklein, how are you looking? Jun 20 07:52:00 ah ok, so 1.0.3 included mostly small fixes Jun 20 07:52:02 electrofreak66, not to my knowledge Jun 20 07:52:03 that's cool though Jun 20 07:52:04 grep :-p Jun 20 07:52:11 I've been reading a lot of js tonight Jun 20 07:52:14 retry: my feeling is that there needs to be people prepared to help in ways like that Jun 20 07:52:15 and dbus-util Jun 20 07:52:15 what are you grepping though? Jun 20 07:52:16 well success, i have done just that Jun 20 07:52:28 /usr/palm and /usr/lib/palm and /var Jun 20 07:52:36 rwhitby, I tried to clean up a few pages today Jun 20 07:52:37 i have made a gui app that turns off and on the flashlight Jun 20 07:52:43 does anyone have a good solution for a full screen shell? Jun 20 07:52:45 ultraBlack is a real champ though if you look at the recnet edits list Jun 20 07:52:47 hmm...do you think its possible to get all apps to support landscape mode? Jun 20 07:53:09 retry: he is - we need more like him Jun 20 07:53:27 rwhitby, here's a thought...some sort of template page that has all the basic start and end steps Jun 20 07:53:32 like mounting/unmounting Jun 20 07:53:43 all the usual links to gaining root and installing optware Jun 20 07:53:45 I've also been looking at strings in the palm specific binaries Jun 20 07:53:50 does anybody know if the developer mode telnet access will be available for ever? or is this just a "bug" that palm accedentily left open? Jun 20 07:53:59 electro: using dbus and commands? Jun 20 07:54:05 iNPUTmice, it's not a bug Jun 20 07:54:27 rwhitby-treo: how do i push a directory? Jun 20 07:54:32 iNPUTmice: You disable that once you get SSH working Jun 20 07:54:39 mdklein, not sure if you thought of something like this, but when you reboot , if you use find -mmin -5 or something small Jun 20 07:54:41 anyone? Jun 20 07:54:46 you will see everything that the pre loaded up into ram Jun 20 07:54:50 and thus cached stuff Jun 20 07:55:04 ShinAli: clone, then mkdir, then git add, then git commit, then git push Jun 20 07:55:11 could be a useful way to find something Jun 20 07:55:56 retry, are you from whatnet? Jun 20 07:55:59 rwhitby-treo: i am actually using pyhton to create a webserver and using javascript in a standard gui app I can call any linux command, as long as it returns in a reasonable amount of time Jun 20 07:56:02 smack are you? Jun 20 07:56:04 yes Jun 20 07:56:09 my pony pony friend Jun 20 07:56:14 haha! Jun 20 07:56:16 hey man Jun 20 07:56:19 pm Jun 20 07:56:21 ultraBlack, yes sure but i will ever need the devmode to enable ssh access if i got i firmware upgrade. so I'm wondering if the devmode will be available for ever Jun 20 07:56:24 let's not interfere with here Jun 20 07:56:30 sure Jun 20 07:57:45 i think the cool way to write a terminal app would to be write a browser plugin which can execute commands on the local machine Jun 20 07:58:04 if no one else has done this yet, then this seems like some good news??? Jun 20 07:58:45 i've done it Jun 20 07:59:03 electro: we're working on a more lightweight way using dbus services Jun 20 07:59:14 gotchya Jun 20 07:59:29 electrofreak ltm theyve been working feverishly on all kinds of stuff Jun 20 07:59:37 but alternatives are good to write up for other people to build upon Jun 20 07:59:56 ya, i didn't see anything in the wiki about it Jun 20 08:00:13 electro: need a wiki pw? Jun 20 08:00:16 did you setup a fully functional webserver or just a call-a-command-and-return-the-result-over-http-thing? Jun 20 08:00:18 sure Jun 20 08:00:25 ill put it up Jun 20 08:00:39 ok, I _think_ the code is updating but the application names are not right now.. Jun 20 08:01:13 electro: create a wikidot account using your own pw, then do the Join this wiki thing with the pw I just /msg'd you Jun 20 08:01:14 Ok, its 3 am here Jun 20 08:01:55 1am here Jun 20 08:02:03 finally got shit working...heading to bed Jun 20 08:02:06 rwhitby-treo: i'm getting "no matching remote head" when i try to clone Jun 20 08:02:38 WEll im hungry, need to pee and wanting to change the channel from infomercials Jun 20 08:02:41 ShinaAli: you using the clone command listed on the gitoriuous page? Jun 20 08:02:48 yes Jun 20 08:03:02 git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications.git Jun 20 08:03:44 ultraBlack: apache? come on. try lighty or smaller Jun 20 08:03:46 ShinAli: maybe EvenPro hasn't done the first commit yet Jun 20 08:04:02 So b4 i go to bed, quickly what can we expect to do on the pre in a few days? Jun 20 08:04:04 thttpd is good Jun 20 08:04:16 rule the world? Jun 20 08:04:30 Robix: lol Jun 20 08:04:39 create SkyNet (after we get USB OTG working) Jun 20 08:04:56 ShinAli: is the repo still empty? Jun 20 08:04:59 i'd considered my life complete if we can start using browser plugins Jun 20 08:05:04 ultraBlack: , you see cherokee-project.com ? Jun 20 08:05:10 i just have no idea what yall are talking about so sorry for the stupid q Jun 20 08:05:22 rwhitby-treo: don't see nothin in there Jun 20 08:05:36 it has a kick ass config tool as a web page Jun 20 08:05:37 Robix: cherokee should be in optware Jun 20 08:05:46 don't see anything* Jun 20 08:05:50 ooh what about screen Jun 20 08:05:57 ShinAli: you get to git init and push the first commit then Jun 20 08:05:57 don't see nothin is a double negative dannng Jun 20 08:06:16 Robix: yep, and 1700 more good apps Jun 20 08:06:27 optware is sweet Jun 20 08:06:38 how do i do that Jun 20 08:06:52 i'd review git but i'm tired and want some sleep Jun 20 08:06:58 but i don't want to leave anyone hangin Jun 20 08:07:08 rwhitby, what is php-thttpd package exactly? Jun 20 08:07:15 is that just a bundle of the two? Jun 20 08:07:27 php for thttpd Jun 20 08:07:39 like a module for the daemon? like apache mod_php? Jun 20 08:07:45 woo cherokee is there! Jun 20 08:07:48 ShinAli: did you git init your own local repo? Jun 20 08:08:01 Robix: Post it, it's a wiki. :P Jun 20 08:08:05 then do stuff, git add and git commit Jun 20 08:08:05 ok, gnite Jun 20 08:08:08 evening Jun 20 08:08:09 I added lighttpd and cherokee already Jun 20 08:08:15 ultraBlack: so is apache ;-/ Jun 20 08:08:17 retry: yep Jun 20 08:08:21 interesting Jun 20 08:08:27 more like morning. Bye bye Jun 20 08:08:32 doesn't that kinda bloat the process ? Jun 20 08:08:38 i thought thttpd was all bout being tiny Jun 20 08:08:43 wouldn't fcgi be a better wya to go ? Jun 20 08:08:49 rwhitby-treo: do i git init in an empty directory or in a directory called applications? Jun 20 08:08:54 Robix: I know, I tried installing it a while back Jun 20 08:09:02 ultraBlack: i hear ya, i'm trying to leave darnit Jun 20 08:09:17 ShinAli: new empty dir, then add subdir Jun 20 08:09:20 Robix: night? Jun 20 08:09:22 i am stuck step 8 of Setting up ipkg-opt to access the Optware package feed can someone help ? Jun 20 08:09:25 alright Jun 20 08:09:36 * Robix thuds Jun 20 08:09:36 this is what i get Jun 20 08:09:38 root@castle:/var/home/root# /opt/bin/ipkg-opt update Jun 20 08:09:38 -sh: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt: not found Jun 20 08:09:38 root@castle:/var/home/root# Jun 20 08:09:40 yep time to go Jun 20 08:10:28 ShinAli: lowercase and hyphens for the subdir name please Jun 20 08:10:46 anyone also have an iphone? Jun 20 08:10:53 JaSonx: you've made a mistake on a previous step Jun 20 08:10:57 Robix: GET OUT. Jun 20 08:10:59 ok Jun 20 08:11:01 haha Jun 20 08:11:17 'nite Jun 20 08:11:20 nite Jun 20 08:11:52 i redid step 7 and same thing Jun 20 08:12:02 ShinAli: what are you going to call the subdir? Jun 20 08:12:25 helloservice under applications i think? Jun 20 08:12:28 * Robix dreams of an RSS reader that notifies like emails/sms do Jun 20 08:12:40 JaSonx: pastebin (not in channel) the full log of your steps 1 to 7 for everyone to review Jun 20 08:13:06 ShinAli: hello-service? Jun 20 08:13:32 rwhitby-treo: sure Jun 20 08:13:54 ShinAli: just a suggestion: your call Jun 20 08:14:01 thats fine Jun 20 08:14:50 ok, so application code appears to get updated, but the appinfo.json stuff isn't... well some isn't version number looks like is updated, version number is Jun 20 08:14:50 ShinAli: once you have a local repo with commits, you should be able to push it Jun 20 08:15:13 anyway, that luna-send is at least a valid method of adding an application to your launcher without restarting luna Jun 20 08:15:28 mdk: nice find Jun 20 08:15:29 if nothing else, you can remove it for real and readd it :-p Jun 20 08:16:17 got it thanks ! Jun 20 08:16:31 forgot space after cd / Jun 20 08:16:49 JaSonx: sweet Jun 20 08:17:28 ugh, I just re-read what I wrote before Jun 20 08:17:35 i had to reset my usb and media stopped working Jun 20 08:17:40 after update Jun 20 08:17:40 glp: dbus service to run commands, and a way to send to it from javascript ... Jun 20 08:18:38 Im sorry one Q Jun 20 08:19:10 Does reseting the pre dump the CPU freq mods? Jun 20 08:19:27 ok, appinfo.json, the application name is stored elsewhere and seems fairly static I think, but version number can be requeried/updated... <-- clarifying what I wrote earlier, my mind's a little fried right now. Sleep soon :-) Jun 20 08:19:43 word Jun 20 08:20:54 rwhitby-treo: it is still to early for me to be able to handle technical subjects ;-) Jun 20 08:21:36 quickly, does rebooting the Pre clear CPU freq mods? Jun 20 08:21:47 try it Jun 20 08:22:11 seems like it does but the wiki doesnt mention it Jun 20 08:22:41 what's the evidence? Jun 20 08:23:06 watch cat cpuinfo_cur_frq Jun 20 08:23:40 need an upstart script to do it then Jun 20 08:24:52 Well the author had a code to reset it back to default but thats not needed as a reboot wipes it. Smart for palm in case its clocked down really slow Jun 20 08:25:51 site searh on wikidev is still offline Jun 20 08:25:52 Due to database reindexing search is temporarily unavailable. Jun 20 08:26:04 anything in /proc or /sys is reset on reboot Jun 20 08:26:31 * rwhitby-treo is thinking a better wiki might be needed ... Jun 20 08:26:40 rw how can i change my password Jun 20 08:26:44 on step 11 Jun 20 08:27:01 Hmm, smart move but that means anytime you reset your pre you have to reprgram it. Jun 20 08:27:09 for root, JaSonx? Jun 20 08:27:17 yes Jun 20 08:27:19 or your SSH user Jun 20 08:27:22 Someone should add that info to the wiki Jun 20 08:27:25 no, use an upstart script Jun 20 08:27:26 ssh user Jun 20 08:27:28 passwd usernamehere Jun 20 08:27:28 sorry Jun 20 08:27:50 should be set after that Jun 20 08:28:07 'Someone' should do lots of things ;-) Jun 20 08:28:09 I have to idea how to do that Jun 20 08:28:31 I come from the webdev side but do light admin work on Redhat ;) Jun 20 08:28:45 Hey, im just starting ok! I havent dev'ed or anything really ever Jun 20 08:29:08 I'm just glad someone has been reformatting my wiki data... right now I'm trying to figure things out asap, by the time I go back to make it pretty, somoene's beat me too it, thanks! Jun 20 08:30:39 argh i have to find a public key on my mac Jun 20 08:31:07 Well please add about the CPUfreq onto the wiki id do it if i has skillz Jun 20 08:31:14 I need to break down and buy the Rough Cut WebOS book already. Jun 20 08:31:35 mdk: that's ultraBlack - he's a formatting wizard, and very much appreciated. Jun 20 08:32:14 Would an upstart script be hard to create? Jun 20 08:33:50 30 mins of googling and looking at the wiki for examples Jun 20 08:34:31 good dev exercise for someone ... Jun 20 08:34:39 ok well tomorrow ill see if i can figure that out. I have no dev background, so 30 mins still? Jun 20 08:34:53 upstart scripts are pretty simple Jun 20 08:35:03 just study what's in event.d already Jun 20 08:35:17 you might not get everything Jun 20 08:35:20 30 mins for someone without a dev background Jun 20 08:35:38 like the whole runlevel concept Jun 20 08:35:41 that might be confusing Jun 20 08:35:59 wikipedia knows about runlevels Jun 20 08:36:12 a lot of things do Jun 20 08:36:13 ok, thank you. Well in 5 hours i went from not knowing how to use python to doing light prgramming. Jun 20 08:36:37 wtg Jun 20 08:36:47 that's what I love about this phone...it's a total play encourager Jun 20 08:36:51 unlike any phone before it Jun 20 08:36:59 runlevels are about prioritzing app resources right? Jun 20 08:37:03 no Jun 20 08:37:07 rwhitby-treo: git push git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/applications.git <--- do i need to add anything to that? Jun 20 08:37:09 I have a list of a bunch of JS methods to document. Jun 20 08:37:29 runlevels are states that the OS is in Jun 20 08:37:32 says i need to specify a branch, master i guess? Jun 20 08:37:33 one runlevel indicates reboot Jun 20 08:37:34 ShinAli: don't think so Jun 20 08:37:35 one is shutdown Jun 20 08:37:44 there are a few for being active Jun 20 08:37:50 that have different meanings to different distros Jun 20 08:37:52 THen its like the core services? Jun 20 08:37:55 rw sorry to bother you again Jun 20 08:38:00 the debian family considers 2 the normal 'on' state Jun 20 08:38:01 this is what i get now Jun 20 08:38:18 yeah runlevels dictate what services get stopped and started Jun 20 08:38:31 JaSonx: please ask the channel, not me Jun 20 08:38:37 so in the event scripts you see some things that mention numbers at the top Jun 20 08:38:43 0, 1, 2 are runlevel codes then, 0 being off Jun 20 08:38:44 those are runlevel conditionals Jun 20 08:38:56 ShinAli: did that work? Jun 20 08:39:11 imop45, that's basically right Jun 20 08:39:25 0 is...shutdown? Jun 20 08:39:27 or reboot Jun 20 08:39:30 i can never remember Jun 20 08:39:37 $ mkdir /etc/profile.d/ Jun 20 08:39:37 -sh: sbp@castle:~$: not found Jun 20 08:39:37 sbp@castle:~$ mkdir: cannot create directory '/etc/profile.d/': Permission denie Jun 20 08:39:37 d Jun 20 08:39:37 -sh: mkdir:: not found Jun 20 08:39:49 oh i guess Jun 20 08:39:50 ok, thanks ill do research to see how to enable cpufreq permeanently Jun 20 08:40:02 what do you mean permanently? Jun 20 08:40:06 does it reset after reboot? Jun 20 08:40:21 I dont know if you read it, but i found. ok yrs they do Jun 20 08:40:28 yes* Jun 20 08:40:33 oh damn Jun 20 08:40:39 we can fix that easy Jun 20 08:40:45 rwhitby-treo: yeah it worked Jun 20 08:41:07 for something like cpu freq adjust, I'd probably use /etc/rc.local Jun 20 08:41:12 oh i forgot to mention something in the readme Jun 20 08:41:13 watch cat cpuinfo_cur_frq shows the proof. Jun 20 08:41:18 but I dont think busybox calls for it Jun 20 08:41:35 ShinAli: MIT license? Jun 20 08:41:49 why not Jun 20 08:42:03 quote: <+rwhitby-treo> anything in /proc or /sys is reset on reboot Jun 20 08:42:33 retry: upstart script with name that will not colide with Palm's future names Jun 20 08:42:33 hmm Jun 20 08:42:44 right Jun 20 08:43:04 rw said told me that you could make an upstart script Jun 20 08:43:17 that is one way Jun 20 08:43:42 What's the other? Jun 20 08:44:16 upstart scripts are good, cause you can ipkg-opt install a newly created ipkg to do it, and not have to manually edit anything Jun 20 08:44:52 right but there is no opt pkg for frequency governor Jun 20 08:45:00 unless you guys have the frequency daemon Jun 20 08:45:05 but there can be ... Jun 20 08:45:06 hey everybody..decided to join (havent used irc in probably 10 years lol Jun 20 08:45:09 ) Jun 20 08:45:27 and seek help and give help which will probably be minimal Jun 20 08:45:53 Hmm, gives me an idea: Have a opt pkg repository for fixes etc. Hi pazookie Jun 20 08:46:02 rwhitby-treo: all done Jun 20 08:46:11 sweet Jun 20 08:46:30 So instead of a turtorial, a repository of hacks, apps, fixes, etc Jun 20 08:46:32 README has some instructions on how to isntall the service and how to call the methods Jun 20 08:47:00 i've started on a wiki called Java Services but i'm gonna finish it up tomorrow Jun 20 08:47:17 im getting en error when i connect via putty into my newly made user..when i enter su - it returns su: must ve suid to work properly Jun 20 08:47:33 anyone willing to help? Jun 20 08:47:41 retry: seems like if your on an app it wont clock the cpu down any Jun 20 08:48:01 ill try. Enter sudo -s Jun 20 08:48:17 imop45: that's why we're using ipkg-opt and writing upstart scripts Jun 20 08:48:50 thanks..ok so far lets continue with some stuff i was working on and see if it worked Jun 20 08:49:03 Making a repository for the pre? Jun 20 08:49:10 i'm done for the night Jun 20 08:49:16 its damned four in the morning Jun 20 08:49:18 go ahead Jun 20 08:49:25 ga it is 4 am Jun 20 08:50:36 5 Jun 20 08:50:37 :P Jun 20 08:50:39 Retry: if you go to the card view though, it will clock down. So to save batt: go to card view Jun 20 08:50:55 what Jun 20 08:51:25 it idles if you put it to sleep Jun 20 08:51:29 6pm here Jun 20 08:51:32 If youre in a card that retrieves data, the cpufreq wont clock down. Jun 20 08:52:04 rwhitby, where are you that it's 6 Jun 20 08:52:17 oz? Jun 20 08:52:19 nz? Jun 20 08:52:40 pazookie Jun 20 08:52:45 I.E. google maps will make it clock at 500000 for several minutes Jun 20 08:52:46 .au, gmt+9:30 Jun 20 08:52:49 you didn't set the suid for su Jun 20 08:53:20 guys i get this error Jun 20 08:53:21 sbpinc@castle:~$ mount -o remount,rw / Jun 20 08:53:21 mount: permission denied. (are you root?) Jun 20 08:53:21 sbpinc@castle:~$ Jun 20 08:53:32 you are not root Jun 20 08:53:44 your prompt makes tht clear Jun 20 08:53:44 seems like my cpufreq is acting sporadically Jun 20 08:54:14 JaSonx you need to login as root or do like 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /' Jun 20 08:55:04 where was i supposed to set the suid for su? Jun 20 08:55:11 you're not Jun 20 08:55:14 what imop recommended worked Jun 20 08:55:14 use sudo Jun 20 08:55:38 imop45: search for 'geist' in the first week of channel logs to find out why Palm didn't clock down by default Jun 20 08:56:08 pazookie: we recommend sudo now Jun 20 08:56:24 pazookie login as root Jun 20 08:56:24 Would that indicate why i have drainage problems? Jun 20 08:56:30 and then follow step 12 Jun 20 08:56:31 http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 20 08:56:52 su is no longer recommended and as such you should install sudo instead Jun 20 08:57:05 i did Jun 20 08:57:09 k Jun 20 08:57:17 then just use sudo instead Jun 20 08:57:22 why would the sirections use su instead of sudo Jun 20 08:57:30 i was trying to get the dev mode icon Jun 20 08:57:35 they used to have both Jun 20 08:57:37 and i got everything working Jun 20 08:57:37 and ah Jun 20 08:57:43 link to the directions Jun 20 08:58:02 pazookie: which directions? Jun 20 08:58:08 What happens if you dont mount -o remount,ro / and you just exit out of your connection? Jun 20 08:58:22 sbpinc@castle:~$ sudo Jun 20 08:58:23 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 34 <<< Jun 20 08:58:23 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 34 Jun 20 08:58:23 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jun 20 08:58:30 the rootfs stays r/w Jun 20 08:58:36 http://predev.wikidot.com/unhide-the-developermode-app Jun 20 08:59:09 pazookie: it needs fixing then Jun 20 08:59:17 how do i fix that error ? Jun 20 08:59:28 JaSonx: fix your sudoers file Jun 20 08:59:30 And will that cause any major problems under normal use? i.e. making phone calls, SMS, some web browsing Jun 20 08:59:53 pazookie Jun 20 08:59:58 I fixed the directions Jun 20 08:59:58 imop you're probably find to leave the root fs rw Jun 20 09:00:00 ? Jun 20 09:00:03 i dotn know how Jun 20 09:00:16 but they did it as a safety precaution because under normal use there is no need to write to / Jun 20 09:00:24 fine* Jun 20 09:00:34 wow i feel dumb Jun 20 09:00:36 you can reboot with rootfs writable Jun 20 09:00:45 i dont know why id didnt just try sudo in the first place' Jun 20 09:00:47 but it's a good idea to set it ro after you're done playing for a while Jun 20 09:00:48 its obvious Jun 20 09:00:54 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 31 <<< Jun 20 09:00:54 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<< Jun 20 09:00:54 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 31 Jun 20 09:00:54 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jun 20 09:01:02 -.- Jun 20 09:01:03 i guess i was just trying to follow directions and not think of logical commands Jun 20 09:01:04 sorry for the paste. but can anyone help Jun 20 09:01:19 ok, i went ahead and did it. Goodnight! Jun 20 09:01:21 im no pro at unix/linux but thats a given haha Jun 20 09:01:36 ssh'd in via wifi Jun 20 09:01:38 tiv_ Jun 20 09:01:41 http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 20 09:01:42 step 12 Jun 20 09:01:47 ty Jun 20 09:01:47 you didn't finish it right Jun 20 09:02:00 ok Jun 20 09:03:48 tiv Jun 20 09:03:53 keep in mind Jun 20 09:03:57 when you do 'echo "$MYUSER ALL=(ALL) ALL" >> /opt/etc/sudoers Jun 20 09:03:58 ' Jun 20 09:04:18 replace $MYUSER with the username you added in step 11 Jun 20 09:04:32 you will have to login as root to do those commands Jun 20 09:05:28 ok Jun 20 09:07:12 * rwhitby-treo bbl Jun 20 09:16:31 root@castle:/etc/profile.d# mount -o remount.ro / Jun 20 09:16:31 mount: mounting rootfs on / failed: No such file or directory Jun 20 09:16:37 step #19 Jun 20 09:16:43 http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 20 09:18:08 remount,ro not remount.ro Jun 20 09:18:17 ok Jun 20 09:19:05 much appreciated. Jun 20 09:19:10 np Jun 20 09:19:44 rebooting now to see if I can still ssh' Jun 20 09:20:21 hopefully my username/sudo has been done properly Jun 20 09:30:20 ok i got another one..im workng on addign global searches and im trying to get an image onto the pre..i read about getting it on there via usb flash mode and then cp to the designated folder..frist do i throw it in dcim/100palm? so i tried that and it shows it in windows but on the pre i dont see it in photo roll nor all images..so i try emailing and saving attachment to photos and still no go Jun 20 09:31:09 ok so i rebooted the pre thinking that would help and i have a wonderful 5 bar icon menu with no icons for the launcher :) Jun 20 09:33:49 still no luck Jun 20 09:33:50 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 31 <<< Jun 20 09:33:50 >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<< Jun 20 09:33:50 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 31 Jun 20 09:33:50 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Jun 20 09:34:07 went through every step again, not sure how If its still step 12 Jun 20 09:34:16 but I can ssh, evdo & wifi Jun 20 09:35:34 edit /opt/etc/sudoers manually Jun 20 09:35:38 vi or nano Jun 20 09:36:20 my guess is a typo Jun 20 09:37:58 ok now when i log in via ssh and edit a file and search within vi i get /segmentation fault Jun 20 09:39:28 did you remount rw ? Jun 20 09:43:47 man i wish I could figure out what I did wrong Jun 20 09:43:51 i shouldn't be too far off Jun 20 09:44:33 cat the file Jun 20 09:44:35 did you look at the sudoers file? Jun 20 09:50:22 wow i just realized palm used some crappy cd's ive got about 5 dead pixes already Jun 20 09:50:26 pixels Jun 20 09:50:33 # User privilege specification Jun 20 09:50:33 root ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 20 09:50:49 # Samples Jun 20 09:50:49 # %users ALL=/sbin/mount /cdrom,/sbin/umount /cdrom Jun 20 09:50:49 # %users localhost=/sbin/shutdown -h now Jun 20 09:50:49 tivon all=(all) all ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 20 09:50:49 tivon ALL=(ALL) ALL Jun 20 09:51:25 I need to remove some Jun 20 09:51:28 ? Jun 20 09:51:37 yes Jun 20 09:51:41 seems like i've tried to add it too many times Jun 20 09:51:59 the line with 7 all's Jun 20 09:52:05 6 Jun 20 09:52:16 yeah Jun 20 09:52:41 what do I type to edit that file, and what do I type to close and save it once I edit it? command line commands Jun 20 09:52:59 I don't have a sharp memory with command lines, I'm still learning Jun 20 09:53:23 vi Jun 20 09:53:32 and to edit inside the file type i Jun 20 09:53:43 then esc to go back to viewing Jun 20 09:53:47 and then :x to save and quit Jun 20 09:54:57 :wq! Jun 20 10:05:58 ok, I clearly messed up, so my sudoers folder had a sudoers & sudoerss I rm'd both, and redid #12 Jun 20 10:06:07 root@castle:/# ln -s /opt/bin/sudo /usr/local/bin/sudo Jun 20 10:06:07 ln: /usr/local/bin/sudo: File exists Jun 20 10:06:07 root@castle:/# ln -s /opt/bin/visudo /usr/local/bin/visudo Jun 20 10:06:07 ln: /usr/local/bin/visudo: File exists Jun 20 10:06:07 root@castle:/# chmod 640 /opt/etc/sudoers Jun 20 10:06:10 chmod: /opt/etc/sudoers: No such file or directory Jun 20 10:06:12 root@castle:/# Jun 20 10:08:40 jrdejavux@192.168.0.16's password: Jun 20 10:08:40 jrdejavux@castle:~$ mount -o remount,rw / Jun 20 10:08:40 mount: permission denied. (are you root?) Jun 20 10:08:40 jrdejavux@castle:~$ sudo su Jun 20 10:08:40 root@castle:/var/home/jrdejavux# /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/contr Jun 20 10:08:41 ollers/launcher-assistant.js Jun 20 10:08:43 sh: /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js: Permission denied Jun 20 10:08:45 root@castle:/var/home/jrdejavux# Jun 20 10:08:47 i keep getting denied Jun 20 10:08:52 did i miss any steps ? Jun 20 10:13:35 What are you trying to do? Jun 20 10:18:03 you can't run js from the unix shell Jun 20 10:18:24 and you weren't root on the first mount Jun 20 10:19:05 js is just plain text that needs to be executed by an interpreter Jun 20 10:36:58 isp - image signal processor, thanks to iPhone rapidrepair document Jun 20 11:51:06 jblebrun_zzz: I've added you to the webos-internals gitorious team Jun 20 12:22:44 i have a candidate for the tweaks page... i added an additional choice to the screen shut-off time list of 20 minutes Jun 20 12:22:49 this also keeps wifi up Jun 20 12:23:00 you can also shut it off manually by tapping the power button Jun 20 12:24:58 how to dowload webos doctor 1.03? Jun 20 12:25:42 beside OTA Jun 20 12:34:24 bluegatar: it doesn't appear to be available yet Jun 20 12:34:46 the OTA update only provides a small set of packages for ipkg, not a full rom Jun 20 12:40:00 I can verify webshell + thttpd work, yet the wiki page is a little off and could use an update or three. Jun 20 12:40:53 pic; http://tinyurl.com/l9nb2o Jun 20 13:13:08 oh imagine that... classic now works Jun 20 13:14:15 still not worth 30 bucks :) Jun 20 13:24:45 czarphanguye: If you are refferring to ajaxphpterm + thttpd-php I can work with you to do updates there... both of the pages I put up yesterday are pretty rough. Jun 20 13:25:28 BTW is there a mailing list or forum related to this irc channel / wiki? If not, do people want one? Jun 20 14:04:30 good morning Jun 20 14:08:25 We have anyone around that understands the dashboard system at all? Jun 20 14:12:05 luna ? Jun 20 14:14:30 bpadalino: yeah, I am working on making the new message dashboard activate the correct window when clicked Jun 20 14:14:54 the correct window ? Jun 20 14:15:16 bpadalino: I am using the hack that separates chats into separate windows Jun 20 14:15:28 ah, i see Jun 20 14:15:56 bpadalino: what I don't see is what gets called when you click the dashboard. Jun 20 14:16:01 how does each window identify itself ? Jun 20 14:16:15 "message" + chadThreadID Jun 20 14:16:17 have you tried using dbus-util --capture ? Jun 20 14:16:22 Yeah Jun 20 14:16:32 I know the basic idea Jun 20 14:16:33 so that's how you figured out the message chatthreadid ? Jun 20 14:16:44 No, I knew that one already Jun 20 14:17:14 but the problem is, I don't see the exact function that gets called when the button is tapped Jun 20 14:17:14 oh Jun 20 14:17:29 when the notification button gets tapped ? Jun 20 14:17:45 maybe it's embedded within the notification as to what to do? Jun 20 14:17:49 Yeah. There are little buttons on the bottom of the screen telling you that there are new messages Jun 20 14:17:59 bpadalino: that could be. Jun 20 14:18:15 I've hacked it at the point where the notification is created to just focus the correct window Jun 20 14:18:18 try doing a capture and capture the noficiation that comes in .. see if that sheds some light Jun 20 14:18:35 but that's obviously not the correct solution Jun 20 14:18:58 Yeah, I guess there's not much else to do Jun 20 14:21:17 :( Jun 20 14:25:48 as far as I can tell, it's no longer communicating directly with the messaging notification, but starts over and tells luna to launch the messaging app Jun 20 14:30:06 have you checked the messaging app to see if there is code in there which looks for pending notifications ? Jun 20 14:31:23 Where would I find info on reflashing this thing? Jun 20 14:35:46 stik, reflashing back with palm software, or your own ? Jun 20 14:35:54 palms Jun 20 14:36:05 webdoctor can help you out .. Jun 20 14:36:29 at palms websight I presume? Jun 20 14:36:41 palm.com/ROM Jun 20 14:36:58 tyvm Jun 20 14:39:53 no problemo Jun 20 14:40:12 bpadalino: That's where I am at, digging here and there to see how many different ways a chatview can be invoked Jun 20 14:40:17 so far it still seems like just one Jun 20 14:40:28 :( Jun 20 14:40:34 But that is clearly wrong. Jun 20 14:41:28 lemme guess this wont work in win7 gonna have to do from vm lol Jun 20 14:42:30 Stik: most likely Jun 20 14:42:48 hi Jun 20 14:42:48 bpadalino: So there is one other place that a chatview gets activated, and that is from sending a message. Jun 20 14:43:43 would be lol if I posted the SDK here now Jun 20 14:46:48 Xuzz: The sdk would be nice, but there is plenty we can do without it. Jun 20 14:47:37 I can't believe it won't be out until end of summer Jun 20 14:48:56 i can believe it Jun 20 14:53:51 cphelps, i'll help you out trying to figure out this messaging thing .. Jun 20 14:54:35 bpadalino: I am passed the notification and dashboard systems, there is nothing there. Jun 20 14:54:49 We have to wait until it gets back into the listview-assistant Jun 20 14:55:36 oh fuck me Jun 20 14:55:39 nevermind Jun 20 14:56:05 while i appreciate the offer, i'd rather not Jun 20 14:56:31 i think they updated dbus-util in this release .. it seems to be playing nicer Jun 20 14:57:14 Somehow I missed the dashboardMessage-assistant class in the controllers dir Jun 20 14:58:25 heh Jun 20 15:01:55 Morning folks.. Jun 20 15:02:16 CreoBrian: morning, sir Jun 20 15:02:31 Question: Anyone know if the 1.0.3 update does anything to impact changes made as root? i.e. Add/Remove Page, etc? Jun 20 15:03:37 CreoBrian: it doesnt' Jun 20 15:05:11 good to know. I fear the day when Palm might decide (i.e. be encouraged by Sprint) to "Update" the homebrew community out of existence, like other companies (*ahem*Apple, *cough*Sony) have done heh Jun 20 15:05:46 CreoBrian: It's only 6 months of exclusivity in the US. Palm can't shoot themselves in the foot like that Jun 20 15:06:05 true enough Jun 20 15:07:47 I want an unlocked GSM pre. Jun 20 15:07:49 :( Jun 20 15:07:50 anyway I'm sure I'll be back later.. just wanted to get a second opinion :) yours is good enough for me, cphelps. Have a great day. Jun 20 15:14:53 is it ok if I share the decoded Blue Screen of Death image from Classic here? its a good laugh Jun 20 15:16:12 wowow skinning WebOS would be easy. Jun 20 15:17:23 Xuzz: skinning it, or skinning it easily? Jun 20 15:17:37 skinning it is easy Jun 20 15:19:09 Meh, just ran out of storage trying to install vlc via ipkg. lol. Anyway to increase? Jun 20 15:19:39 czarphanguye: Not easilly Jun 20 15:21:22 cphelps, anyone get access via palm api to backend OS commands yet? like to hit a button and run a bash script? Jun 20 15:22:03 cphelps: best way to remove junk installed via ipkg-opt? Jun 20 15:22:24 czarphanguye: sorry man, not a packaging wiz since about 2001 Jun 20 15:22:33 tharris: haven't gotten there yet Jun 20 15:23:03 yeah i havent been able to figure it out, unless we can use postcripts images to execute scripts call by using image renderers Jun 20 15:23:15 called* Jun 20 15:35:36 tharris: You're way off base mate. Java is your guy on this one. Jun 20 15:39:12 as in script? Jun 20 15:40:55 No, as in a jar. Jun 20 15:41:16 You'll slap a jar in the right location, and you will be able to access it from JS Jun 20 15:41:32 That's how all the other apps work on the back end Jun 20 15:44:18 tharris, isn't there an ipkg list and ipkg uninstall ? Jun 20 15:44:21 or remove ? Jun 20 15:45:29 thought it was remove, but i havent played with remving packages, just remember remove does just that so dependencies make get messed up Jun 20 15:45:53 cphelps: great i hate java Jun 20 15:46:04 ill just make java call my perl =p Jun 20 15:46:07 java i the path of least resistance to add new services Jun 20 15:46:07 tharris: this is not the phone for you if you have java Jun 20 15:46:34 didnt say i couldnt, just dont like hehe Jun 20 15:46:34 tharris: it's remove Jun 20 15:46:42 hey Jun 20 15:46:51 tharris: and list_installed Jun 20 15:48:06 thanks bpal Jun 20 15:52:06 bpadalino: I've got the signals working correctly now. The only outstanding defect is that the new message count in the history view doesn't always clear Jun 20 15:52:52 awesome! Jun 20 15:52:59 interesting about the new message count Jun 20 15:55:11 bpadalino: there is a function for it, but calling it directly apparently doesn't work Jun 20 15:55:25 I'll have to send some kind of message for it to be called when it is convenient Jun 20 15:55:29 the clear function ? Jun 20 15:56:04 Yes Jun 20 15:56:24 I just tried calling it directly, and that caused the chat window to not contain anythig Jun 20 15:56:43 haha whoops Jun 20 15:57:02 Exactly :-) Jun 20 15:59:13 Hey guys - I had a quick question about the rooting process if anyone can answer? I did some googleing and looked through forums already but no one seemed to give much detail. Jun 20 15:59:27 I don't seem to have a clean copy of listview-assistant.js anymore though Jun 20 15:59:32 ryanfx: ask away Jun 20 16:00:25 just to preface, I've been managing linux systems for quite some time now, I'm not a n00bie by any means but I'm confused what the rooting process actually does. I would like to be able to understand what is exactly changed in the phone and if the changes are reverseable via a flash from palms web doctor Jun 20 16:00:59 i wonder if that guy that made that first app (flash light) is going to release it Jun 20 16:01:32 does anyone know if turning the flash on is bad Jun 20 16:01:40 like using it as a light? Jun 20 16:02:12 ryanfx: well .. entering dev mode touches a file in /var/gadgets to turn on a service called novacomd .. Jun 20 16:02:18 jclusso: it's an led, not a major issues Jun 20 16:02:32 well someone mentioned it might be bad to leave it on Jun 20 16:02:35 cause it would get hot Jun 20 16:02:36 ryanfx: novacomd allows you to get a root shell .. Jun 20 16:02:43 but I was not sure if that is so true Jun 20 16:03:13 jclusso: it would use a lot of power - that's for sure ... it's a very bright LED Jun 20 16:03:17 so what is exactly the purpose of the python script if a root shell is already accessible? Jun 20 16:03:55 ryanfx: it's to talk with the novacomd service running on your computer to give you access to the shell Jun 20 16:04:05 otherwise you need to re-write novacomd (something i am looking into doing) .. Jun 20 16:04:13 to directly interact with the shell Jun 20 16:05:01 oh I see - so essentially the process unlocks the novacomd service and allows you to interact with the device as root? Jun 20 16:05:15 yes Jun 20 16:05:56 has anyone discovered how to make the first letter not be capitalized in the web browser, or failing that, everywhere? Jun 20 16:06:01 bpadalino: is this devmode or novacomd service able to be deactivated or removed? I want to make sure I can keep the integrity of my phone. Jun 20 16:06:16 ryanfx, yes - the dev mode is a switch .. Jun 20 16:06:41 ryanfx, so when the novacomd_enabled file is in /var/gadget then it is enabled .. Jun 20 16:06:48 if the file is deleted - the novacomd service does not start Jun 20 16:07:01 bpalino: so if I were to switch the dev mode off my phone would essentially appear "stock" Jun 20 16:07:09 indeed Jun 20 16:07:35 thank you very much for your insight, I have one more question if you have time Jun 20 16:07:43 shoot Jun 20 16:09:00 say additional services were enabled, such as ssh, or the dyn-dns for your phone, how would those be stopped in the future? would disabling the dev mode and a reboot can all of those services from booting? Jun 20 16:09:12 well.. starting at boot up rather* Jun 20 16:10:47 nah - they go into the init scripts to get called .. so even out of dev mode - they would still run with no problems Jun 20 16:10:58 you'd have to explicitly remove them from your init scripts Jun 20 16:11:20 just like any other linux system, it is pretty cool having ssh on this thing Jun 20 16:11:48 ok. And if I reflashed my ROM with one of palms images, would that completely reset my phone back to factory settings including remove all of these services and dev mode options? Jun 20 16:12:06 i used web doctor and it put me back to square one ryan Jun 20 16:12:09 ryanfx: yeah, it's really just a linux computer - very standard ... which makes it SO easy to modify and look for things Jun 20 16:12:20 yes - the web doctor will get you back to the original state Jun 20 16:12:22 wow - this is such great news to get all of this worked out Jun 20 16:12:43 ijust love having gdb o nit, that is great too p Jun 20 16:12:49 I am am quite steady in javascript and linux, I will definitely be poking around now that I know there is no funny business being played with palm or sprint! Jun 20 16:13:20 well there is a "Sprint" service running, that i havent looked into yet Jun 20 16:13:52 Anyone come up with any nifty ideas asside from the ones documented at pre dev wiki? Jun 20 16:14:40 bpal, mind if i pm u? Jun 20 16:15:06 oh and one last question ... sorry. I have been playing with my contacts a LOT (linking tons of contacts etc). If I reflash my ROM, will my contacts download correctly linked and everything from palm's backup cloud? Jun 20 16:15:11 go for it Jun 20 16:15:33 ryanfx: we'll need a java service that can be used to copy /delete/modify files. Jun 20 16:15:44 ryanfx: no Jun 20 16:15:47 linkes are lost Jun 20 16:15:56 oh really? the links are lost? i did not know this Jun 20 16:16:06 ryanfx: I suspect that if you do a backup using the backup now program on page 3 they MIGHT stay Jun 20 16:16:27 because I believe that pushes the links off to sprint land and they may come back. NOT verified Jun 20 16:16:30 oh man, that's a shame. I wonder if you can just copy your contacts from a folder and overrite them to the new image? Jun 20 16:16:48 cphelps: Can you describe more what you are looking for? Jun 20 16:16:51 http://predev.wikidot.com/optware-cross-compilation Jun 20 16:17:34 ryanfx: not really, I am still hacking the messaging app to work correctly when we are using multiple windows for chats Jun 20 16:18:33 alright, well I will definitely try this on my phone next time I'm at a windows box... at my home here I don't have a single one running *sigh* Jun 20 16:18:56 is the NovacomInstaller_x86.msi required or is there a linux driver that can run this? Jun 20 16:19:23 oh those are good cross compilation instructions.. great Jun 20 16:19:37 ryanfx, no linux driver for novacom just yet Jun 20 16:19:48 i was trying to write one .. but my ambition dropped off significantly Jun 20 16:20:14 ryanfx, you can find the code i wrote here: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd Jun 20 16:20:21 it just requires libusb Jun 20 16:20:32 but it isn't nearly complete Jun 20 16:20:38 I'll take a look at it Jun 20 16:21:02 thank you all for your assistance. When I get this working I will be more than glad to return and try to contribute some code to the community Jun 20 16:22:23 the WebShell wiki entry seems to be missing the requirement that an SSH client be installed... or am I missing something Jun 20 16:22:38 i have a feeling the uint32 version in the novacom_packet_t is actually an enumerated type for castle-bootie or castle-linux .. where 0 and 1 define them respectively Jun 20 16:26:52 Hurray... flashed my phone now it is bricked :D Jun 20 16:27:00 Could someone tell me the name name of the package containing an ssh client? Jun 20 16:27:37 I would have thought openssh had one... Jun 20 16:27:50 err dropbear is what I've got Jun 20 16:29:07 thats it Jun 20 16:30:29 hrmm so you can't ln -s on the pre? :( Jun 20 16:30:32 hrmm, trying to get WebShell working Jun 20 16:30:49 and it keeps disconnecting me as soon as I feed it the first line, which I thought was the password Jun 20 16:30:52 psykoz: what are you trying to link ? Jun 20 16:31:25 wanted to link a dir in /media/internal to /usr/palm/sounds Jun 20 16:31:35 that way I can change notification.wav when I want Jun 20 16:31:38 psykoz: are they different filesystems? Jun 20 16:31:41 because /media/internal is a vfat partition .. linking won't work Jun 20 16:32:00 there ya go :) Jun 20 16:32:31 can anyone with an original ROM send my a clean copy of the listview-assistant.js from the messaging app? Jun 20 16:32:33 if you nfs export /media you might be able to do that Jun 20 16:32:50 cphelps: you can extract it from the webos doctor jar file at palm.com/ROM Jun 20 16:33:10 bpadalino: I have, but I don't have the original jar with me at home Jun 20 16:33:25 oh - redownload it ? Jun 20 16:33:28 and I've edited my copy without a backup somehow Jun 20 16:33:48 bpadalino: Sure, I could do that. Or some helpful person could just email me the file :-) Jun 20 16:34:22 Anyone ever had their pre just stop at the palm screen? Jun 20 16:34:28 not to be a jackass or anything, but technically that file is copyright Palm ... so i really don't get re-distribution rights with it Jun 20 16:34:52 shinali, i hear you wrote a java service ? Jun 20 16:35:31 I guess I just need to find a notification.wav I'll really like and be done with it for now ;) Jun 20 16:36:36 there's no way to just modify the program to point to a file in /media/internal ? Jun 20 16:37:44 I guess that would depend on if mojo apps are pointing to /usr/palm/sounds in cleartext and if so then sure Jun 20 16:38:30 a quick grep of /usr/palm/applications doesn't show such Jun 20 16:39:21 or I guess if that's somehow stored in SQLlite's db Jun 20 16:44:12 you guys hear of any work being done on backends for Synergy? Not sure if there is a spec for that or if Web OS "screen scrapes" or what Jun 20 16:45:04 screen scrapes? Jun 20 16:46:08 uses the UI of google or facebook to retreive contact info Jun 20 16:46:35 Xuzz: rather than the API Jun 20 16:47:53 oh ok Jun 20 16:48:20 I converted the rgba images from the classic files, they are hilarious (I love how they call it BSOD.rgba :D) Jun 20 16:52:26 has anyone found out how to modify synergy any? Jun 20 16:52:46 like I'd be happy if I could modify the conctact sync to only sync "My Contacts" in Google as opposed to All Contacts Jun 20 16:54:20 i think someone said there is a hardcoded "Contacts" somewhere in the google code Jun 20 16:54:25 which could easily be changed Jun 20 16:55:10 ristopher: I had the same issue, hence the ajaxphpterm page. Jun 20 16:57:08 uhh we gotta fix all the reboot bits on the wiki, they're simply not necessary Jun 20 16:59:19 do it up Jun 20 17:00:09 oh wow thats new Jun 20 17:00:22 since 1.0.3 the unlock screen is way more responsive Jun 20 17:00:39 what do you mean ? Jun 20 17:01:09 you had to touch and hold before you could drag the button out of the semicircle Jun 20 17:01:15 now that's less so Jun 20 17:01:34 while i was linking a bunch of contacts last night, the touch screen was definitely lagging behind in the processing of touch events Jun 20 17:02:04 hey Robi_ Jun 20 17:02:08 (I'm icefire) Jun 20 17:02:13 yes Jun 20 17:02:19 or are you not the robi I'm thinking of? Jun 20 17:02:42 you'll have to be more specific Jun 20 17:02:55 lol Jun 20 17:02:56 nvm Jun 20 17:03:09 anyway, out of battery, bye Jun 20 17:03:16 Robi_: reboots not necessary - someone figure out how to tell luna to reload things? Jun 20 17:03:22 yes Jun 20 17:03:58 what's the magic word? Jun 20 17:04:30 you send luna a remove pkg command where the pkg doesn't exist Jun 20 17:04:53 THink I totally hosed my phone Jun 20 17:05:05 stik awesome, how did you do that ? Jun 20 17:05:24 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove { Jun 20 17:05:24 Not sure lol... went to use webdoctor and it wont even see my phone... Jun 20 17:05:26 \"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} Jun 20 17:05:35 uhh Jun 20 17:05:37 I power up it just shows palm and sits there lol Jun 20 17:05:39 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove { Jun 20 17:05:44 \"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} Jun 20 17:05:56 hold on Jun 20 17:06:15 stik, do you need to remove the battery to turn it off ? Jun 20 17:06:17 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {\"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} Jun 20 17:06:21 yeah Jun 20 17:06:40 stik, try holding the volume up key while powering on to get a big USB logo on the front Jun 20 17:06:44 ok here we go: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.appinstaller/remove {\"subscribe\":true,\"packageName\":\"somerandomstring\"}} Jun 20 17:06:45 and see if web doctor sees it then Jun 20 17:07:19 heh, thanks Robi_ is that on the wiki somewhere? Jun 20 17:07:25 wiki search seems to be down Jun 20 17:07:28 should be Jun 20 17:07:39 Nope just goes to the palm screen Jun 20 17:08:02 ok, the search is "temporarily unavailable" Jun 20 17:08:16 ooh, they fixed the tasks bug Jun 20 17:08:29 stik, if you do it right - a big usb logo will appear on the screen Jun 20 17:08:40 stik, so if the palm logo shows up - you're doing it wrong :) Jun 20 17:08:56 push volume up then power button no? Jun 20 17:09:17 no Jun 20 17:09:28 unplug from usb Jun 20 17:09:34 turn phone off Jun 20 17:09:42 hold volume up Jun 20 17:09:46 plug in to usb Jun 20 17:10:07 you should see a big usb symbol then .. and your phone should be in bootie mode Jun 20 17:10:16 which webos doctor will know about Jun 20 17:10:21 Ahh Jun 20 17:10:31 Nice.. ty Jun 20 17:12:36 jwsh: bottom of http://predev.wikidot.com/building-webos-mojo-applications Jun 20 17:13:27 reloads cache, refreshes launcher Jun 20 17:15:11 stik, works now ? Jun 20 17:15:32 wow! that wiki page has really been updated significantly Jun 20 17:15:38 * Robi- nods Jun 20 17:15:42 Yeah I got the usb logo... checking to see if it works in webos doctor Jun 20 17:16:28 yeah, much more info than when I looked there yesterday Jun 20 17:17:08 stik, let me know - i believe it should .. Jun 20 17:17:17 I noticed that chuq made a (non-specific) reference to the predev wiki Jun 20 17:17:28 jwsh, where ? Jun 20 17:17:48 http://pdnblog.palm.com/2009/06/an-update-on-the-early-access-program-and-the-sdk/ Jun 20 17:19:21 experimentation Jun 20 17:19:38 Robi-, do you have to reboot it every time you make a change to the app? Jun 20 17:20:05 i haven't rebooted since i rooted it Jun 20 17:20:17 bpadalino: at least that's how I last couple of paragraphs.. Jun 20 17:20:49 jwsh: some smart comments in that thread Jun 20 17:23:32 I've said in on here before, if palm just increased the communication levels people would be a lot less frustrated. Jun 20 17:23:45 they're doing better than Apple Jun 20 17:24:30 they need to make sure their sdk is polished enough for a good experience Jun 20 17:25:22 I understand that, but that's not what they're saying Jun 20 17:27:04 chuq should throw up a quick post every day "Added 50 developers to the program today, squashed 15 bugs, and finalized the API docs for the FooWidgets package" Jun 20 17:27:40 looks like it's working... thnx again :D Jun 20 17:27:43 not a bad idea Jun 20 17:34:30 reading those comments is interesting, that's for sure Jun 20 17:35:56 a friend of mine develops cell phone games for a living, he applied the first day they started accepting apps Jun 20 17:36:09 he said he got no response whatsoever Jun 20 17:36:28 he was not pleased Jun 20 17:36:41 i have tried getting any communication with them and nothing Jun 20 17:38:34 They _SAID_ on the application page that they WOULD NOT be able to respond to queries about your status. Jun 20 17:38:51 The team is tiny. Single digits people. They have THOUSANDS of applications Jun 20 17:38:57 They _have_ to bit-bucket emails. Jun 20 17:39:16 i meant queries in general Jun 20 17:39:48 well - it seems like it is silly for a developer to say "give it to me NOW - i don't CARE if it's terrible" simply because they would spend most of their development time tracking down bugs with the SDK and not developing a profitable product Jun 20 17:40:01 And so did I. Which would you have them do? Work on getting the sdk out with the hundreds of applicants that HAVE IT, or talk to the thousands who don't? Jun 20 17:40:07 why have email addresses like opensource portals and not respond, if you know you cant respond =p Jun 20 17:40:10 I agree that more communication would be better. Jun 20 17:40:41 No tharris, _that_ is a good question. Jun 20 17:41:03 I wondered it myself. Because they have been very open that they -can't- respond. Jun 20 17:41:21 remember that Palm is 1/20th the size of RIM and LESS than 1/20th the size of the iphone team at apple. Jun 20 17:41:33 hey Jun 20 17:41:39 anyone know how to add a slider button? Jun 20 17:41:44 like the thing bluetooth has? Jun 20 17:41:45 and rim has _one guy_ who answers questions in the official java forums. Jun 20 17:41:53 I'ts a mojo widget Jun 20 17:41:56 ye Jun 20 17:41:59 how do I add it tho Jun 20 17:42:09 Got the O'Reilly book? It's in Chapter 7 Jun 20 17:42:09 i tried copying it from the bluetooth app but it didnt work Jun 20 17:42:10 but palm seems to have _zero_ guys who answer questions for developers Jun 20 17:42:20 at least publicly Jun 20 17:42:22 jclusso: slider button or option switch? Jun 20 17:42:27 option switch Jun 20 17:42:29 uh, There are at least two palm guys who hang out in here.... Jun 20 17:42:30 like on | pff Jun 20 17:42:35 just a sec. Jun 20 17:42:41 i emailed chuq directly and nothing Jun 20 17:42:46 sure, but they're doing that personally, not for the company Jun 20 17:42:55 You know that for certain? Jun 20 17:43:09 that has been my strong impression Jun 20 17:43:27 don't get me wrong, I'm really not trying to bash palm here Jun 20 17:43:37 huh -- well... hmmm. Mine is different. But then, I'm starting from a different mental place. Jun 20 17:44:15 also something someone should update in firs tpalm pre app thread is that you cant delete them unless you put it in the /var/usr/palm/applications Jun 20 17:44:19
Jun 20 17:44:23 if you put it in /usr/palm/applications it wont let you delete it Jun 20 17:44:24 But then, I spent hours yesterday telling various of my customers "I'm sorry, I can't talk to you about our strategic plans for next year, our major competitor keeps responding to them. We'll let you know what we have as soon as it is running. Jun 20 17:44:42 mmmmm Jun 20 17:44:42 Kaerey Jun 20 17:44:44 sqselect * from Preferences; Jun 20 17:44:44 databaseVersion|1.0 Jun 20 17:44:44 alerttone|{ "fullPath": "\/usr\/palm\/sounds\/alert.wav", "name": "alert.wav" } Jun 20 17:44:47 notificationtone|{ "fullPath": "\/usr\/palm\/sounds\/notification.wav", "name": "notification.wav" } Jun 20 17:44:57 looks like you could in theory move alertnote and notificationtone elsewhere ;) Jun 20 17:45:02 alerttone* Jun 20 17:45:09 awesome psykoz Jun 20 17:45:10 we already did Jun 20 17:45:18 psykoz: look at ... Jun 20 17:45:38 http://predev.wikidot.com/alerts-from-usb Jun 20 17:45:43 the third section Jun 20 17:45:55 Rick__: well, where I work we try to be as specific as we can with our customers about our plans.. that way they can plan for the future.. but I'll admit our market is *very* different than palms Jun 20 17:45:59 oh, nice awesome ;) Jun 20 17:46:03 thanks Jun 20 17:46:17 jwsh, I have -one- major national competitor. Jun 20 17:46:20 I added options in the Sounds and Alerts Control Panel for alerttone and notificationtone Jun 20 17:46:31 nice work on that alerts changes Jun 20 17:46:49 EVERY FREAKING TIME we announce our development strategy, he has rushed a crap product to market, stolen customers, and pissed off my clients. Jun 20 17:47:27 Rick__: ouch Jun 20 17:47:33 Therefore: I quit. I will never EVER do it again. You get to hear about what we're working on when it's done, and shippable, and not a day before. Not an HOUR before. -- well, unless you're my beta-test site. Jun 20 17:47:50 just the same, If I were working for palm, I'd be telling everyone at every meeting that the thing that is going to distinguish us, as a small player is being nimble and responsive Jun 20 17:47:57 The edits on my device also allow changes for uiNotifications and uiSoundsWhenCharging, but I dont' see anythign that uses them. Jun 20 17:48:49 I understand where palm is coming from. If they shipp a crap sdk, they will be EVISCERATED. It's got to work. The complaining now is NOTHING compared to a crap product. Look how much crap they took for not getting the CLOCK into 1.0.1, which was an oversite... it was written. :-) Jun 20 17:49:57 Rick__: I know, but why don't they just say that - instead of pretending it's because they've got so many applications and they just can't type fast enough to approve all of them. Jun 20 17:50:14 anyway, we're not going to fix palm's process by complaining about it here Jun 20 17:50:17 because that's true too. Jun 20 17:50:25 and they HAVE said it. Jun 20 17:50:49 And they obliquely approved of what's going on here. They freaking SUGGESTED if you can't wait, come here. So, I did. Jun 20 17:53:38 well anyway, this isn't the "fix palm's process" channel, so I'm gonna stop here, and see if I can figure out how to enable downloading now that Robi- has clued me in on not needing to reboot Jun 20 17:55:22 does anyone know how to control the torch with the mojo Jun 20 17:55:23 ? Jun 20 17:56:27 is it supposed to take a while to install pythony25 to root? Jun 20 17:56:35 python25* Jun 20 17:56:42 jclusso: i made executable scripts for controlling the torch, so all you'd need is something to run them Jun 20 17:57:08 later ideally a slider in the ui for power Jun 20 17:57:09 so in a round about way.. could we have tar files hosted on a website, txt a command to our phone (like the tracker script) write a script that expands the tar into the right location? Jun 20 17:58:33 like txt our phone txtget http://bit.ly/fslk34UYa, the script recognizes teh txtget command, downloads the location, and then expands it to /var/usr/palm/applications Jun 20 17:59:15 what is the bash command for creating an upstart script? Jun 20 18:00:39 robi, jave bins? Jun 20 18:00:41 java* Jun 20 18:01:05 tharris: , no just shell script Jun 20 18:01:17 but that's easily ported Jun 20 18:01:34 yeah i need t figure out how to link shell scripts to gui. Gonna work on that this week Jun 20 18:01:40 i wonder how we can execute a shell script Jun 20 18:01:42 its on the wiki at the bottom of the torch page Jun 20 18:01:43 i want a button for ssh Jun 20 18:01:58 from in an application Jun 20 18:02:01 no one know how? Jun 20 18:02:08 inside an app is what i want Jun 20 18:02:32 someone with strong organziation skills needs to take a look at all the orphan pages on the wiki. Jun 20 18:02:51 i second Kaerey Jun 20 18:03:04 <-- has not strong organization skills Jun 20 18:03:06 Kaerey: that's ultraBlack, he's been on it Jun 20 18:03:25 yeah I sicked him on my Sounds and Alerts Mod page. he cleaned it up all nice and pretty! Jun 20 18:04:01 how do you create an upstart script (webos-webshell) in terminal? is it vi, perl, or what?! Jun 20 18:04:53 1. Jun 20 18:04:54 2. Jun 20 18:04:54 3. Jun 20 18:04:54 var shellscript = new File("./my-shell-script.sh"); Jun 20 18:04:54 4. Jun 20 18:04:54 5. Jun 20 18:04:56 6. Jun 20 18:04:58 7. Jun 20 18:05:00 8. Jun 20 18:05:02 shellscript.execute(); Jun 20 18:05:17 apparently you can run a shell script with javascript Jun 20 18:05:48 really.... Jun 20 18:05:52 idk Jun 20 18:05:56 i thought that might be possible Jun 20 18:06:00 found that on a site Jun 20 18:06:07 http://snipplr.com/view/10338/execute-shell-scripts-cs3-javascript/ Jun 20 18:06:16 so an app that calls shell scripts ? Jun 20 18:06:30 ccause then we can tie it in through an app and make some really fun things Jun 20 18:06:58 even perl or python scripts to then Jun 20 18:07:03 fyi: flixster is updated in the app catalog Jun 20 18:08:02 #!/bin/sh Jun 20 18:08:02 echo -n 1 >/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0033/avin Jun 20 18:08:02 echo -n 100mA >/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0033/torch_current Jun 20 18:08:02 echo -n torch >/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0033/mode Jun 20 18:08:09 is that what I have to enter into the shell script? Jun 20 18:09:17 Aside from amazon downloads, has anyone tried modding the music itself player yet? Jun 20 18:09:28 music player itself. Jun 20 18:12:34 im testing it now Jun 20 18:12:40 ill etl you know if the script executes Jun 20 18:13:09 can someone update the wiki for me, my cell connection is pretty flakey right now... anyway, new method to reload the Launcher app list... much less hacky... I've been poking around /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr today... Jun 20 18:13:30 whats the method? Jun 20 18:13:59 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {\"subscribe\":true} Jun 20 18:14:27 you probably don't need subscribe as true Jun 20 18:14:39 actually, just luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} is enough Jun 20 18:14:45 yeah Jun 20 18:14:46 :) Jun 20 18:14:54 nice Jun 20 18:15:11 but it replaces having to remove an invalid package Jun 20 18:15:12 much cleaner Jun 20 18:15:55 there's a lot of calls in lunasysmgr that the apps released so far do not use, anyway, back to tinkering Jun 20 18:16:06 Thnx bpadalino, it all worked... Jun 20 18:16:35 mdklein: out of curiosity, how are you finding calls that apps aren't using yet? Just string searching? Jun 20 18:16:40 mdk, were u reversing it or trying to just see what it can do Jun 20 18:19:47 nope it didnt work Jun 20 18:21:06 Jun 20 18:21:18 that means the file should be in teh same directory? Jun 20 18:21:19 right Jun 20 18:21:21 ./ Jun 20 18:21:29 I'm just searching strings in /usr/bin/LunaSysMgr... anyway, my connection is crap right now, so I'll be back later Jun 20 18:21:42 mdklein_: appears to be, thanks. Jun 20 18:21:48 jclusso: I don't think that would work as I have never heard of javascript being able to execute files Jun 20 18:22:18 mdklein are u on irc via your pre? Jun 20 18:23:02 pregame Jun 20 18:23:07 how did you make the light script Jun 20 18:23:19 what did you use to turn the torch on and off? Jun 20 18:23:24 PreGame: just because it's a method in javascript doesn't mean it's implemented in Mojo or a web browser, for instance Jun 20 18:23:41 make jar to make a sytsem call = win? Jun 20 18:23:46 mayb e one and not the other Jun 20 18:23:50 Hi to all. First time IRC'ing... please let me know if I do anything evil :) Jun 20 18:24:27 best way for initial backup of the device before modding? basic tar.gz or something else? Jun 20 18:25:27 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187331-installing-homebrew-apps-w-out-rooting.html Jun 20 18:25:35 we have liftoff Jun 20 18:25:54 Don't know about backup, but there's a comment at http://www.isyougeekedup.com/palm-pre-hacked-enable-developer-mode-and-gain-root-access/ about recovery from bricking... sounds like a partial answer Jun 20 18:26:21 treesloth: thanks. I'm thinking I'd like to pull the file structure over to my PC so I can poke around without fear. Jun 20 18:26:31 Ah, got it... Jun 20 18:26:34 anyone have a linux machine Jun 20 18:26:34 ? Jun 20 18:26:49 jclusso: yes, why? Jun 20 18:26:55 can the ipk files be a way to root the phone also or does the installer chroot? Jun 20 18:27:03 can you test out and see if javascript can execute a shell script Jun 20 18:27:16 1. Jun 20 18:27:16 2. Jun 20 18:27:16 3. Jun 20 18:27:16 var shellscript = new File("./my-shell-script.sh"); Jun 20 18:27:16 4. Jun 20 18:27:17 5. Jun 20 18:27:19 6. Jun 20 18:27:21 7. Jun 20 18:27:23 8. Jun 20 18:27:25 shellscript.execute(); Jun 20 18:27:44 Bales: has anyone tried to root the phone with a specially created ipk or does the installer chroot? Jun 20 18:27:53 anyone know where the "keep awake" script is on the wiki? Jun 20 18:28:17 wiki says search is unavail Jun 20 18:28:38 Bales: seems to me clicking a link would be an easier root than nova* Jun 20 18:29:06 jclusso: working on it Jun 20 18:29:15 nova is easily scripted though so, shouldnt be too bad for now. I would like to see an easier way through ipkg Jun 20 18:29:20 Bales: of course it would mean that everyone was vulnerable to malicious ipks install backdoors in their OS Jun 20 18:29:46 i tried it on the phone but i dont want to keep wasting my time messing with it unless I know that in javascript it works. Jun 20 18:29:50 jclusso -- i'm a web dev. that shouldn't be allowed under any javascript environment. Jun 20 18:30:01 thats what I thought too Jun 20 18:30:23 ill make a jar call a system command later to see if that works, later all Jun 20 18:30:23 im a web dev too but I serached it and it was on a site so I thought why not try it Jun 20 18:30:30 javascript engines are typically sandboxed so they can't do stuff like that Jun 20 18:30:44 possibly on the pre though, they've changed that Jun 20 18:30:50 but I wouldn't expect it to work on any other platform. Jun 20 18:30:51 lars47: but that doesn't mean this one is sandboxed the same way Jun 20 18:31:14 destinal: yes, they've poked some holes through the js on webos obviously. but jclusso was asking to try it on linux. Jun 20 18:31:27 oh Jun 20 18:31:43 jclusso: try vbscript :) Jun 20 18:31:43 So, I tried to root my pre in XP... I put it in dev mode, restarted, connected. XP asked for drivers for Novacom Linux. Unexpected... Is that a common problem? Jun 20 18:31:45 it may work in some js interpreters Jun 20 18:31:48 but not in a browser Jun 20 18:31:50 bales: good work! wiki it! and then we should find out if we can host homebrewed app links on the wiki and maybe some standard naming conventions like com.homebrewed.appname Jun 20 18:32:54 Oh, and since I'm here talking about it, you can guess I couldn't find the proper drivers... Jun 20 18:33:38 treesloth: did you isntall the driver from the webOS Dr.? Jun 20 18:34:29 treesloth: http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting Step 6 Jun 20 18:35:01 we have beat palm to app development Jun 20 18:35:02 lol Jun 20 18:35:07 Yeah, I did that... very odd... Jun 20 18:35:17 they might aswell release the SDK Jun 20 18:35:42 Ok, lemme try this again... Maybe a restart, reinstallation, second attempt will make it happier... Jun 20 18:35:44 even if the SDK isnt complete it would be better to us than no documentation etc Jun 20 18:35:48 jclusso: that's not very unexpected, we knew if they held off a month that we would Jun 20 18:36:14 Bales, installing homebrew apps, sweeeeeeet Jun 20 18:36:34 what homebreww apps are out there Jun 20 18:36:38 is there anyweere to get them? Jun 20 18:36:52 i'm sure they'll start appearing in the wiki Jun 20 18:37:02 imma finish up mine and move it to the wiki Jun 20 18:37:09 what is yours Jun 20 18:37:09 ? Jun 20 18:37:19 a simple logic game Jun 20 18:37:55 are you using oreilly booky Jun 20 18:37:56 ? Jun 20 18:37:59 nope Jun 20 18:38:10 it's working now, i just gotta add the screen rotation and give it some TLC Jun 20 18:41:01 what are u using to learn the mojo? Jun 20 18:41:22 you can learn alot just by examining the oem apps Jun 20 18:41:34 absolutely Jun 20 18:41:59 anyone get samba going yet? Jun 20 18:42:41 does anyone who was here last night know if ShinAli was able to get his java service to execute under mojo? Jun 20 18:42:53 check the irc logs? Jun 20 18:43:08 i dontk now were they are locatef. link? Jun 20 18:43:13 located* Jun 20 18:43:28 do a /topic Jun 20 18:47:06 Question on file perms: Copied an app folder to /media/internal/applications. Only root can edit (not my user). Tried chown, failed. Realized it's vfat. Must I be root? What am I missing? Jun 20 18:48:10 This looks like progress... rebooted that machine, redid the driver install... it took a long time, but it finally claimed that the setup was done... Jun 20 18:49:20 thanks for the help... Later... Jun 20 18:51:01 jclusso, vi, find and grep :) Jun 20 18:52:06 looks like the 1.0.3 update killed dropbear... Jun 20 18:52:15 anyone else examine the db rootfs/usr/lib/luna/CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 yet? i've got a pastebin of it up at http://pastebin.com/fbd57efd for anyone not familiar with sqlite3 Jun 20 18:52:37 1.0.3 didn't kill my dropbear. Jun 20 18:52:37 scratch that Jun 20 18:52:39 that was strange Jun 20 18:57:06 back Jun 20 18:57:38 shinali did you ever get that working last night? Jun 20 18:57:55 i went to bed, it was 4 in the morning Jun 20 18:58:15 but i pushed it onto gitorious if anyone wanted to do anything with it Jun 20 19:00:18 grr. where is scp? Jun 20 19:01:25 nevermind Jun 20 19:01:39 bpadalino: yes i wrote a java service Jun 20 19:02:14 java service for? Jun 20 19:02:16 What do you folks use to move files on/off the device? Or do you edit in-place? Jun 20 19:02:50 hemna: anything. most of the system services in webOS are written in java Jun 20 19:02:52 Ok, that's progress... the drivers appear to be accepted, etc. Jun 20 19:03:04 this one is just a hello world kind of test service Jun 20 19:03:18 so you can start/stop linux services from a webos app then? Jun 20 19:03:53 you could, but you'd need service that does that specifically Jun 20 19:03:59 However, I'm getting the " No connection could be made..." from the talk.py still... I've turned off AV (afaik... AVG really loves to get its fingers into everything...) and the firewall. Any pointers from here? Jun 20 19:05:19 any tips before I switch from dropbear to openssh? Jun 20 19:06:38 scratch that, might as well just start fresh Jun 20 19:07:50 Is anyone else using AVG, having similar problems? Jun 20 19:08:21 have you rebooted? Jun 20 19:08:31 Yes Jun 20 19:08:33 I recall not being able to skip the reboot step on the windows side Jun 20 19:08:59 Yeah, it popped up the message saying it was needed... Seemed like as good a time as any... Jun 20 19:09:30 Besides firewall and av, can anything else cause the "No connection..." error from the .py? Jun 20 19:09:34 and you have the right version of python, 2.6 I think? Jun 20 19:09:55 crap... guess third party software settings aren't stored anywhere for backup :| Jun 20 19:10:11 Shouldn't matter (me crosses fingers) but the exact version is 2.6.2. Jun 20 19:10:27 I hope that the ..2 difference doesn't matter... Jun 20 19:10:28 I assume dev mode is enabled and you've followed the guide on the wiki? Jun 20 19:10:54 I used 2.6.2 as well Jun 20 19:11:21 I'm about to push a fresh image to my phone and re-root it. We can step through it if you like Jun 20 19:11:22 Yes, although the first time I tried installing drivers from the .msi it apparently didn't work. A second attempt worked. Jun 20 19:11:27 Nice they've left the uncompressed css in the apps next to the compressed version, eh? Jun 20 19:12:36 hell where did I put that jar Jun 20 19:12:38 Sure, ristopher_, I'd appreciate it. Jun 20 19:14:02 let me get the image pushing Jun 20 19:14:13 I've never done the restore before so I don't know how long it will take Jun 20 19:14:20 if it matters, I'm in dev mode right now. I'm connected by USB, selected "just charge" Jun 20 19:14:26 yo Jun 20 19:14:37 treesloth try rebooting the phone Jun 20 19:14:49 'sorry, not enought memory' 'please delete an application you have installed to make room'. Uh-oh Jun 20 19:14:54 I recall that helped it talk over USB when I was rooting it Jun 20 19:15:09 uh oh czarphanquye, use up all your space? Jun 20 19:15:15 Just the normal "hold down the power button a long time" reboot? Jun 20 19:15:27 yea. Shut it all the way off, and then turn it back on Jun 20 19:15:38 Doing that now... Jun 20 19:15:40 when it comes back up windows will try and install some new device but it won't work Jun 20 19:15:46 ristopher_: Yeah, but then deleted some junk to free up 100mb. still issues. ;-/ Jun 20 19:16:01 treesloth a second device for novacom should come up after that Jun 20 19:16:13 Ok Jun 20 19:16:36 ristopher_: the restore with webDoctor takes approximately 45 minutes depending how many contacts/apps/etc that needs downloaded from palm (your profile). Jun 20 19:16:50 tictac it makes a backup of that? Jun 20 19:16:50 ristopher_: however my 45 mins may be diff from yours as i did it over 1x RTT :-/ Jun 20 19:17:19 ahh that profile, the one that gets stored out on the cloud so to speak Jun 20 19:17:27 ristopher_: your apps installed, contacts and some other things that i cant remember right now Jun 20 19:17:30 yes. Jun 20 19:17:56 hmmm... I hope it doesn't matter, but I disconnected the USB before the shutdown... reconnected it once it was off, that caused it to restart... I now have the throbbing palm... so to speak... Jun 20 19:18:10 * tictac makes note that the [[code]] box on the wiki doesnt show up completely on the pre browser Jun 20 19:18:34 well I don't have much. Hopefully it will go quickly. I just want to get my pre back to the latest rooted state. Too much to undo and redo to get it current Jun 20 19:18:46 should be fine treesloth Jun 20 19:19:03 well, rats... same message from the .py... Jun 20 19:19:42 there we go... I wondered why I had the _ at the end of my name. Been too long IRC Jun 20 19:19:55 Full disclosure... here's the complete error message... Jun 20 19:19:55 Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 20 19:19:55 File "talk.py", line 48, in Jun 20 19:19:55 port = getport() Jun 20 19:19:55 File "talk.py", line 24, in getport Jun 20 19:19:56 sock = getsocket(6968) Jun 20 19:19:58 File "talk.py", line 7, in getsocket Jun 20 19:20:00 s.connect(("localhost", port)) Jun 20 19:20:02 File "", line 1, in connect Jun 20 19:20:04 socket.error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machi Jun 20 19:20:06 ne actively refused it Jun 20 19:20:20 woah... umm, sorry... didn't mean to monpolize the whole thread :-) Jun 20 19:20:23 does novacom show up as a device in device manager? Jun 20 19:20:26 treesloth: http://pastebin.com/ Jun 20 19:21:04 oh, that's cool... Jun 20 19:21:27 http://webos.pastebin.com/m68c0e43e Jun 20 19:22:13 And, yes, there's a category called "Palm Novacom Modules". Has a single entry, "Palm Novacom". Jun 20 19:22:47 WHOA that's a big USB logo during the restore process! hah Jun 20 19:23:06 it should be there then treesloth.. hrmm Jun 20 19:24:27 i need to get my company to send me to google i/o from now on Jun 20 19:24:50 treesloth you disable the antivirus as well as the windows firewall and avg firewall? Jun 20 19:25:06 Yes, although the av fought back... Jun 20 19:25:12 * ristopher waves goodbye to his phone customizations Jun 20 19:25:14 I think I got it all... Jun 20 19:26:57 well normally I would tell you to go to start, run, services.msc and disable the avg services but apparently they decided that they shouldn't be stoppable.... Jun 20 19:27:06 yeah, exactly... Jun 20 19:27:16 you could uninstall Jun 20 19:27:17 weeeeee Jun 20 19:27:22 root it, and then reinstall Jun 20 19:27:35 their "watchdog" seems problematic... Jun 20 19:27:49 Yeah, I think that's what I'm going to have to do. Jun 20 19:27:53 since it shows up in device manager I would think it would work unless something were blocking it Jun 20 19:27:54 I don't run AV programs... too much of a pain in the arse... Jun 20 19:28:20 windows defender is halfway decent to catch the usual stuff since it auto updates Jun 20 19:28:21 wow... I never realized how much Web Apps for the iphone totally suck. Jun 20 19:28:28 Yeah, it's tempting not to... it's really not that tough to avoid virii... Jun 20 19:28:35 agreed Jun 20 19:29:20 its not like any of us here would download some jar file off the net and run it just because someone in IRC said to Jun 20 19:29:28 can someone explain to me the "onscreen" keyboard? Jun 20 19:29:33 That is true... I run malwarebytes once a month or so to be on the safe side but have never found anything... Jun 20 19:29:37 What you did there... I see it... Jun 20 19:30:03 I know it wasnt run on the Pre itself... but inside of something? Jun 20 19:30:09 malwarebytes rules. I'm trying to talk my employer in to buying a license so we can use it as a business Jun 20 19:30:27 Darth_Pooh there IS a sort of on screen keyboard. Hit the symbol button Jun 20 19:30:30 never heard of that... I have avg now, but I've also played with portable clamav... seems to do well enough... Jun 20 19:30:52 malware bytes cleans up rootkits when nothing else will, not even spybot Jun 20 19:30:56 Epic, had to free up 111MB of space in store-var just to update tweed Jun 20 19:31:04 ooh, that's handy... Jun 20 19:31:32 crazy czarphanguye. I think out of 8gb you should have a bit more free than 111 anyway... but that's just me Jun 20 19:31:45 My computer generally stays clean, but I do get the occasional free tech support request (may a camel spit in their eye...) Jun 20 19:31:54 ristopher, errrrrr those are just symbols. Jun 20 19:32:01 that is the only on screen keyboard Jun 20 19:32:08 there is none other for the pre Jun 20 19:32:11 ristopher: wish there were 8gb to use, reports 250~ av Jun 20 19:32:33 My boss bought a laptop off of ebay and when we booted it the thing would hardly boot it was so loaded with crap.. no wonder the guy was pawning it off... When we did get to a desktop it started popping windows left and right till it would freeze... booted it in safe mode and ran MB and it cleaned everything up... rebooted and ran again it found nothing... thing runs like a champ. That sold me on the program. Jun 20 19:32:35 7.4GB to use Jun 20 19:33:54 Stik: I would never trust a system I bought off ebay, and I'd never put it on my home network. I'd pave it and reinstall the OS. Jun 20 19:33:55 ristopher, there was an onscreen keyboard in webshell Jun 20 19:34:07 would have rather loaded a fresh install on it but boss too cheap to buy another license... Jun 20 19:34:13 wow... that is impressive. I made a computer like that just for giggles when I was doing helpdesk support in college... we used lars47's fix... Jun 20 19:34:14 if I could sell the people holding the money on a volume/site license I would get it set up running weekly scans on all the office PCs. I have a feeling that my week would get a lot less stressful if I could have that running as a service Jun 20 19:34:18 So he gets what he gets lol Jun 20 19:34:34 AVG uninstalled... rebooting... brb... Jun 20 19:34:54 poking around in the media player app. Jun 20 19:35:02 http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre/187708-found-screen-keyboard.html Jun 20 19:35:07 in addition to reinstalling the OS, re-running the same program to look for malicious code only indicates that software is consistent. it does not indicate it there were things it could not detect Jun 20 19:35:20 I'm dying for some skip fwd/back buttons for podcasts. Jun 20 19:35:22 Darth_Pooh haven't gotten webshell up and running on my end yet. Part of the reason why I'm pushing a fresh rom image to my phone right now Jun 20 19:35:37 the doctor loves ya Jun 20 19:36:16 ugg fail. I'm on a VPN right now and it looks like whatever IP I was handed has been banned by a bunch of forums Jun 20 19:36:36 including that link Darth_Pooh Jun 20 19:36:52 i think integrating webshell onto the OS isn't as easy as one would think anyways Jun 20 19:37:10 well my problem was dropbear didn't seem to install the ssh client Jun 20 19:37:11 not enough access to the low level API to use it Jun 20 19:37:14 Oh I understand that... YOu are at the mercy of the software you are using.. I rerun to see if anything shows back up again which would show a greater problem. Personally I don't like AV for the simple fact that people get too comfortable with it running.. Jun 20 19:37:46 all I want is a simple AV program to protect our users from social engineering Jun 20 19:38:02 I'm getting tired of people installing antivirus2009 because some pop up told them they were infected Jun 20 19:38:12 lol Jun 20 19:38:25 heh. Jun 20 19:38:43 it's bit us 4 times so far, one was so bad we couldn't save the machine, even with malware bytes Jun 20 19:38:44 i like how my idea of the webshell blew up into an 'uproar' "{ Jun 20 19:38:44 look at the bright side... in a year you won't have to remove antivirus2009 it will be 2010 :D Jun 20 19:38:45 :P Jun 20 19:39:38 I bet it will include anti-malware functionality too Stik Jun 20 19:39:44 anyone else researching the vibrate duration? Jun 20 19:39:54 it will be great, they can just lay me off because everyone can cover themselves Jun 20 19:40:08 tictac I remember someone figured it out on the message notification Jun 20 19:40:19 heh Jun 20 19:40:22 the javascript for calling it Jun 20 19:40:36 well i know how its called. Jun 20 19:40:39 tictac, i think it blew up because of the onscreen kb, makes people oh and ah. Jun 20 19:40:56 lol. the on screen keyboard isnt all that great imho. Jun 20 19:40:56 Anyone close to a working shell yet? Jun 20 19:41:04 tictac, doesnt mean it's gonna be possible either Jun 20 19:41:13 Stik: we are working on it. stay tuned to the wiki. Jun 20 19:41:15 tictac, integration is system deep Jun 20 19:41:29 Darth_Pooh: its really not _that_ deep if you look at it. Jun 20 19:41:51 I take it you guys are trying to do something other than webshell Jun 20 19:41:53 generally things are stored in flat files or in the db using luna. Jun 20 19:41:59 NThat would be a nice addition... Jun 20 19:42:00 tictac, what I mean is , putting the call for the keyboard in every single app that requires it? then something as easy as an update could break it Jun 20 19:42:28 Darth_Pooh: palm isnt stupid to overwrite their working code. Jun 20 19:43:03 time to reroot my phone now Jun 20 19:43:08 tictac, what if they fix code that is edited? Jun 20 19:43:17 * tictac goes back to dev for the basically the first time in a week Jun 20 19:43:36 Darth_Pooh: we are looking for the root of the vibrate function. Jun 20 19:43:44 well i am anyway. Jun 20 19:43:54 tictac, the 1.0.3 update broke my custom notification... Jun 20 19:44:05 ristopher, I think there is an appeal to having an actual terminal app where you can either ssh outbound, screen apps etc.. Jun 20 19:44:25 Darth_Pooh: notification for what Jun 20 19:44:38 sms, email, battery Jun 20 19:44:44 is it on the wiki? Jun 20 19:44:46 sound Jun 20 19:44:50 well, rats... still no luck... uninstalled avg. Jun 20 19:45:08 treesloth I just got my phone restored Jun 20 19:45:10 going to try rooting it Jun 20 19:45:15 Ah, ok Jun 20 19:45:19 I dunno, I edited mine like the first day we had root. never followed the wiki instruction, just replaced the notification.wav sound in the sounds folder Jun 20 19:46:01 thats simple to replace... Jun 20 19:46:10 * tictac goes back to dev'ing Jun 20 19:46:10 I'm in dev mode, connected and in "just charge" mode. Stay like that, or go to defaults? Jun 20 19:46:21 treesloth: yes just charge is fine. Jun 20 19:48:36 just turned on developer mode Jun 20 19:48:39 letting it reboot... Jun 20 19:49:34 anyone actually played doom yet on the pre? Jun 20 19:50:18 Mine too... I figured I'd try a previous suggestion real quick... Jun 20 19:50:40 well, as "real quick" as a reboot can be.... Jun 20 19:51:24 hrmm I wonder if the throbbing palm could be replaced with a game of breakout or something to pass the time while it boots Jun 20 19:51:40 Yeah... doesn't Debian do that Jun 20 19:51:42 ? Jun 20 19:51:43 attempting talk.py Jun 20 19:52:16 me, too Jun 20 19:52:30 and the same error... Jun 20 19:52:31 rats Jun 20 19:53:03 Or maybe it's Ubuntu... dunno, I use FreeBSD Jun 20 19:55:58 talk.py worked Jun 20 19:56:05 did you get all of the files out of the svn? Jun 20 19:56:55 let me double check... I have 7 original files plus 1 .pyc Jun 20 19:58:18 ShinAli: So how'd you sleuth out those method decorators? Jun 20 19:58:24 I didn't get the readme... I'd hope that doesn't matter... Jun 20 19:58:36 shouldn't treesloth Jun 20 19:59:08 jblebrun: bytecode, ide and whatever i can get from decompiling Jun 20 19:59:11 based on the error it sounds like you are in fact running talk.py through python Jun 20 19:59:46 So method decorator names actually appear in the compiled class file? Jun 20 19:59:58 yup Jun 20 20:00:20 obfuscators usually muss up the private method names but they didn't use any of that here Jun 20 20:00:58 you can think of java including all the public and protected names in the class file Jun 20 20:01:08 no headers really needed Jun 20 20:01:32 actually they include the names of everything Jun 20 20:01:40 yeah which is great Jun 20 20:01:45 so you got your java working ? Jun 20 20:01:51 yeah Jun 20 20:02:15 does it talk to the screen or just run as a console service? Jun 20 20:02:33 all i did was extend LunaServiceThread and annotate a public method (with only a ServiceMessage as a paramter) with @LunaServiceThread.PublicMethod Jun 20 20:02:44 I'm running it in a command window, if that's what you mean. I have the error output. Jun 20 20:03:11 bpadalino: its not confirmed in a webOS app yet but luna-sen works just dandy with it Jun 20 20:03:21 you wouldn't happen to have another computer you could try this on do you treesloth? Jun 20 20:03:28 shinali, so when you do that - can you query other methods on the bus ? Jun 20 20:03:39 Sadly, not until Monday... I may just have to postpone this... Jun 20 20:04:01 lol do you have an xp install disk? Jun 20 20:04:10 You could try doing it with a virtual machine untainted by AVG Jun 20 20:04:22 grrrr. i'm trying to setup my own SDK here Jun 20 20:04:30 bpadalino: what do you mean? other services? Jun 20 20:04:30 Hmmm... hadn't considered that... Jun 20 20:04:36 yeah Jun 20 20:04:38 other services Jun 20 20:04:55 ShinAli: Sevice introspection Jun 20 20:04:57 Service Jun 20 20:05:00 introspect it Jun 20 20:05:14 I have one around here somewhere... I'll dig it up... Jun 20 20:06:52 That'll take a bit, though... I'll have to report back on success/failure. Jun 20 20:07:13 I appreciate you taking the time, though... have a good day. Jun 20 20:07:14 yea treesloth It depends on how much time you want to invest on this over the weekend Jun 20 20:07:15 bpadalino: i'll take a look into that Jun 20 20:07:18 good luck Jun 20 20:07:43 cool Jun 20 20:07:57 Well, I *want* to invest as much time as it takes... I *need* to get a few other things done... darn real world... Jun 20 20:08:03 anyone know if webshell works with dropbear? Jun 20 20:08:33 I will say treesloth that when it works it works like a champ. Don't know what's interrupting it on your computer. Jun 20 20:08:44 Hope you figure it out because it's a lot of fun after that Jun 20 20:10:30 for java services there is a function in LunaServiceThread called "debug" that seems to return all the information on that particular service Jun 20 20:10:42 rerooted.. time to brick phone again :D Jun 20 20:10:46 its a private function though, so I'm not sure what that means Jun 20 20:11:34 :( Jun 20 20:11:37 private function Jun 20 20:12:12 yeah its shown as an unknown method when i try to query it Jun 20 20:12:20 i'll see if anything calls it Jun 20 20:13:47 ShinAli, java right? Jun 20 20:14:21 yes Jun 20 20:14:23 you might be able to get at that private debug method by creating your own class that "extends" the one containing the method you want Jun 20 20:14:42 i know, but all java services has these Jun 20 20:14:43 ooo http://www.cs.unm.edu/~k42/tools/bicl/README looks interesting - maybe a way to change the boot command line... anyone figure out a way of doing that yet / getting to uboot (?) prompt? Jun 20 20:14:57 i'm trying to figure out how to query them without going through all that Jun 20 20:15:06 gotcha Jun 20 20:15:59 nevermind i got it :) Jun 20 20:16:06 oohh Jun 20 20:16:15 details, pls :) Jun 20 20:16:17 that was easy Jun 20 20:16:20 seconded Jun 20 20:16:40 all the private methods are in another "category", which is an addition to the URI of the service Jun 20 20:17:02 so its like palm://com.palm.blahblah/com/palm/luna/private Jun 20 20:17:09 Nice Jun 20 20:17:27 the /com/palm/luna/private is the category Jun 20 20:17:42 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.shinali.services.hello/com/palm/luna/private/debug {} Jun 20 20:17:53 thats how i queried for debug, which returns some good info Jun 20 20:18:15 interesting Jun 20 20:18:21 ( + http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2003-August/002235.html ...) Jun 20 20:18:29 info such as methods and their arguments ? Jun 20 20:18:49 just methods, arguments are handled within the function :| Jun 20 20:19:40 the actual functions themselves are only passed a service method object, which contains the sent JSON object with all the parameters in them Jun 20 20:19:55 so you get a json string and you need to parse it all ? Jun 20 20:19:56 the functions parse the JSON object and check if the parameters exist or not, then do whatever Jun 20 20:20:00 gotcha Jun 20 20:20:14 luna java libs have a JSON library for that Jun 20 20:20:20 well - all the services supplied by java we should be able to document Jun 20 20:20:21 right ? Jun 20 20:20:28 yup Jun 20 20:21:26 using the private methods you could also tell a service to quit Jun 20 20:21:34 interesting Jun 20 20:22:16 i posted my test service on gitorious last night if you guys want to take a look Jun 20 20:22:27 cool Jun 20 20:22:49 I've already been looking at it ;-) Jun 20 20:22:57 cool Jun 20 20:23:13 where is this? Jun 20 20:23:23 so we should be able to get methods and arguments for .. Jun 20 20:23:32 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals Jun 20 20:23:36 under applications Jun 20 20:23:39 thanks ShinAli Jun 20 20:24:19 vm, taskScheduler, superlog, telephony, messagingrouter, accounts, vmstatus, mail, oasisjava, deviceprofile, carriernetworksettings, messaging, contacts, pimsync, calendar, backup, location, dataimport, accountservices Jun 20 20:24:26 since they're all supplied by java classes Jun 20 20:24:55 notes too Jun 20 20:25:28 actually let me grep Jun 20 20:26:54 yeah you got the jist of it Jun 20 20:28:00 whats the difference between a LunaARService and your luna service ? Jun 20 20:28:10 NotesService is a LunaARService Jun 20 20:28:28 LunaARService services are "ActiveRecord" services, which means they mess with databases Jun 20 20:28:37 ah i gotcha Jun 20 20:28:40 active record Jun 20 20:29:14 i would've figured they'd use the HTML5 database functions for notes but guess not Jun 20 20:29:32 maybe its for the backup stuff Jun 20 20:30:07 have you looked at the telephony jar ? Jun 20 20:30:11 it's MASSIVE Jun 20 20:30:22 no but i'll take a peek Jun 20 20:30:38 bpadalino, I want to see if I can get a sip client running on it. Jun 20 20:30:56 oh i am sure you can Jun 20 20:31:14 Right, but one I can distribute. ;) Jun 20 20:31:27 oo here's how to enable something across the whole app Jun 20 20:31:29 hehe Jun 20 20:32:09 bpadalino: you weren't kidding Jun 20 20:32:59 more serious than a heart attack Jun 20 20:33:05 telephony is serious business Jun 20 20:33:11 :) Jun 20 20:34:04 any mods tried the messaging mods yet? (msgs in new cards / always timestamps) Jun 20 20:34:38 someone was working on that if i recall Jun 20 20:34:50 i know theres a service in there somewhere Jun 20 20:35:02 hehe Jun 20 20:35:24 TelephonyServer.class ? Jun 20 20:35:29 that's the luna service thread Jun 20 20:35:40 i did a debug call on com.palm.telephony but i got a stack over flow Jun 20 20:35:48 oh cool Jun 20 20:35:55 stack overflow? whoops! Jun 20 20:36:13 mmm a sip app would be very awesome. Jun 20 20:36:26 i could use it with my cisco voice lab :P Jun 20 20:36:38 too bad ipcc doesnt run on linux. Jun 20 20:36:51 {"errorCode":"ErrorGenericMethodException", "errorText":"Service Method Exception: java.lang.StackOverflowError"} Jun 20 20:36:53 fun! Jun 20 20:37:09 descriptive! Jun 20 20:37:54 runMainThread() method in this decompiler comes up as byte code.. Jun 20 20:38:00 for telephonyserver.class Jun 20 20:38:03 Hah, think anyone would be interested in a TXT-N-Walk app for the pre? Jun 20 20:38:18 txt-n-walk? Jun 20 20:38:41 It started out as a joke, and then someone made an app that does it for email on the iphone Jun 20 20:38:51 what is it? Jun 20 20:38:51 basically it sets the window background to whatever the camera sees Jun 20 20:38:58 heh Jun 20 20:38:59 so you can walk and type and still see what is in front of you Jun 20 20:39:03 and eats the battery :D Jun 20 20:39:08 exactly Jun 20 20:39:36 shouldn't it be a txt-n-drive Jun 20 20:39:38 bpadalino: well thats annoying Jun 20 20:39:48 shinali, it is - but it's ... interesting ? Jun 20 20:40:07 somewhat Jun 20 20:40:21 hey there you go PreGame. Especially if it just hooks in to telenav. It lets you know when to cut the wheel while driving. You wouldn't even need to pay attention Jun 20 20:40:35 lol Jun 20 20:40:45 uses the light sensor to tell you when you are to close to another car Jun 20 20:41:18 it could use the proximity device to tell when there has been a sudden change so that it could notify you that you have been involved in a collision Jun 20 20:41:38 lol Jun 20 20:41:44 walk and text: http://www.thereviewcrew.com/news/iphone-app-lets-you-walk-while-you-text Jun 20 20:41:44 incase you didn't know already Jun 20 20:42:10 well head injuries can make you groggy. This one requires you to dismiss the notification Jun 20 20:42:36 shinali, i think someone said before, but do you know the differnce between palm:// and luna:// uris and why they both exist ? Jun 20 20:42:49 is palm:// just for the dbus directly, and luna:// for luna services ? Jun 20 20:43:06 i think they both exist in the dbus Jun 20 20:43:17 so the reason for the uri separation ? Jun 20 20:43:23 just the ones accessible by webOS apps are in palm:// Jun 20 20:43:27 i think? Jun 20 20:43:31 i see Jun 20 20:43:58 is palm:// the public bus and luna:// the private bus ? Jun 20 20:44:06 I think so Jun 20 20:44:09 yeah Jun 20 20:44:17 thats my "educated" guess Jun 20 20:44:26 but java can access the private bus it seems Jun 20 20:44:46 it seems Jun 20 20:45:19 i see references to "private bus" and "public bus" when i'm digging through the service framework Jun 20 20:45:41 bpadalino: i meant if anyone had successfully applied the messaging modifications. its on the wiki, but ive tried multiple times with no luck. Jun 20 20:45:48 ah Jun 20 20:46:01 i am not sure Jun 20 20:46:26 whoops. Jun 20 20:46:31 i forgot a line of code :P Jun 20 20:46:35 whoops! Jun 20 20:47:04 im not used to scrolling the code boxes Jun 20 20:47:29 will the pre browser allow to scroll horizontally? Jun 20 20:47:37 i cant view wide code boxes on the phone Jun 20 20:47:51 you can't ? Jun 20 20:50:49 no Jun 20 20:50:56 try it for yourself. Jun 20 20:51:06 ive tried on portrait and landscape modes Jun 20 20:51:15 yeah look at that bug Jun 20 20:51:18 interesting Jun 20 20:51:35 we need a "bug" page. ill make it. Jun 20 20:51:40 ok party people, I'm taking my son camping....l8rs! Jun 20 20:51:43 ok Jun 20 20:51:50 latr Jun 20 20:53:44 done. Jun 20 20:53:56 titled simply 'bugs' Jun 20 20:54:45 very nice Jun 20 20:55:04 bpadalino: do you see anything just using dbus straight up? Jun 20 20:55:14 instead of luna-send? Jun 20 20:56:03 i'm seeing the clock/updates/youtube apps using luna:// uri as well Jun 20 20:59:29 bah still doesnt work. Jun 20 21:00:16 * tictac kicks com.palm.app.messaging Jun 20 21:01:44 i think anything with the luna:// uri might be native services? Jun 20 21:02:30 shit i dunno Jun 20 21:03:27 toggling the flash on the camera goes over dbus .. but i am not sure where that message is in terms of luna or palm services Jun 20 21:04:34 using dbus-util: Jun 20 21:05:12 http://pastie.textmate.org/518811 Jun 20 21:06:12 :1.151 (pid=1173 procname=/usr/bin/LunaSysMgr) btw Jun 20 21:09:10 shinali, http://pastie.textmate.org/518815 - check that out Jun 20 21:10:51 so mediaserver could be the com.palm.media service? Jun 20 21:11:45 it is .. Jun 20 21:12:11 that was a dumb question Jun 20 21:12:13 :1.132 (busname=com.palm.media pid=2604 procname=/usr/bin/mediaserver) Jun 20 21:12:14 :) Jun 20 21:12:48 anyone willing to test this messaging modification to determine if it works properly? Jun 20 21:13:07 the one already done? Jun 20 21:13:10 in the forums? Jun 20 21:13:35 i wonder why its a native service though? Jun 20 21:13:46 http://predev.wikidot.com/carded-messaging Jun 20 21:13:47 shinali, i think because it needs to talk to the dspbridge Jun 20 21:13:56 Filefly: yes. Jun 20 21:13:57 ah Jun 20 21:14:17 tictac: I'll try it in a minute Jun 20 21:15:02 Hello, I did most of the stuff on the pre dev wiki, and was left with an ssh server, but no client, unless it is called something besides 'ssh'. Jun 20 21:15:30 bpadalino: native services don't need a dbus script in /usr/share/dbus-1/ ? Jun 20 21:15:43 tobiah: you need to provide your own client Jun 20 21:15:53 What OS are you on? Jun 20 21:15:56 Thanks, any suggestions? Jun 20 21:16:08 Palm OS... I'm talking about my palm pre. Jun 20 21:16:18 You need an ssh client on the pre? Jun 20 21:16:36 Yeah, cuz I can tether for web, but I can't work unless I can ssh. Jun 20 21:16:49 So I was thinking I would just ssh from the palm. Jun 20 21:17:18 Either that, or I could make another tunnel for ssh I guess, but I'm not sure how to do it. Jun 20 21:18:33 shinali, i guess not ? Jun 20 21:18:49 no - they do Jun 20 21:18:54 look at the amazon service Jun 20 21:18:58 Name=com.palm.com Jun 20 21:18:59 tobiah: do not talk about tethering here. Jun 20 21:19:03 Exec=/usr/bin/amazonservice Jun 20 21:19:09 Sorry - then back to ssh client? Jun 20 21:19:24 bpadalino: then how does com.palm.media gets used? Jun 20 21:19:36 i have no idea - but it is Jun 20 21:19:37 :( Jun 20 21:19:38 er, regonized under dbus? Jun 20 21:20:38 Why do people use photobucket? http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jun 20 21:21:56 ehm... so the hamachi nokia-770 build works flawlessly, mostly Jun 20 21:22:15 wait all of a sudden i don't see palm://com.palm.media being used? Jun 20 21:22:24 or luna://com.palm.media Jun 20 21:22:49 shinali, i was on the dbus when i saw those messages get passed Jun 20 21:22:58 hrmm Jun 20 21:23:27 i just did a "ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7" after installing libcrypto using ipkg Jun 20 21:23:55 for those of you that, you know... want zero config vpn on your pre Jun 20 21:26:20 that's all it takes ? Jun 20 21:26:25 yes Jun 20 21:26:29 wow Jun 20 21:26:30 interesting Jun 20 21:29:16 Funny... all the modifications I do to this phone and I use the default wallpaper Jun 20 21:29:50 bpadalino: i think native dbus services can register themselves without any scripts Jun 20 21:30:32 shinali, i am assuming so - since often times when i start dbus-util --capture .. i get Jun 20 21:30:35 root@castle:/etc/dbus-1# dbus-util --capture Jun 20 21:30:35 Time Prot Type Serial Length Sender Destination Method Payload Jun 20 21:30:38 18716.998 PRV signal 2 org.freedesktop.DBus (dbus-capture) /org/freedesktop/DBus/NameAcquired «string=“:1.157”» Jun 20 21:30:41 18717.043 PUB signal 2 org.freedesktop.DBus (dbus-capture) /org/freedesktop/DBus/NameAcquired «string=“:1.42”» Jun 20 21:31:32 i find it interesting the volume buttons cause state change messages to go over dbus Jun 20 21:31:40 but center button doesn't Jun 20 21:33:29 OH! wow Jun 20 21:33:31 this is interesting Jun 20 21:33:37 i just saw dbus send an error Jun 20 21:33:37 oh snap Jun 20 21:33:41 18854.761 PRV error 2246 0.035 :1.22 com.palm.phoneN «string=“Method "tel_datastatusnotification" with signature "ss" on interface "com.palm.palmipc" doesn't exist Jun 20 21:33:42 ”» Jun 20 21:33:44 18854.798 PRV call 591 com.palm.oasisjava com.palm.phone /com/palm/phone/tel_pinstatus «string=“pin1”» Jun 20 21:33:47 18854.802 PRV error 591 0.004 com.palm.phone com.palm.oasisjava «string=“Method "tel_pinstatus" with signature "s" on interface "com.palm.palmipc" doesn't exist Jun 20 21:33:52 someone messed up? Jun 20 21:35:04 possibly Jun 20 21:35:07 hmm. Jun 20 21:36:53 well the messaging modification worked this time. weird. Jun 20 21:37:38 didn't work for me tictac Jun 20 21:37:41 i'm rebooting Jun 20 21:39:41 okay, works now Jun 20 21:40:18 now to figure why the timestamps arent working. grr. Jun 20 21:43:44 bpadalino: isn't it tel.pinstatus? Jun 20 21:44:12 i honestly have no idea - but i would think so ? Jun 20 21:46:08 i guess its too much to hope for a service that runs commands already built in Jun 20 21:47:04 does strings just search the binary file for any strings? Jun 20 21:47:26 yeah Jun 20 21:49:25 on the dyndns guide, anyone mind filling in step 4? Jun 20 21:49:26 http://predev.wikidot.com/ddns-update Jun 20 21:49:57 what vm does the pre use for java? Jun 20 21:51:40 Oasis VM Oasis-Linux-WebConsole-LightLocks-Generational-GCC_Goto_Optimizations-SingleSlot Jun 20 21:52:09 some more jvm info for you Jun 20 21:52:12 OasisVM: Build 96.2 Jun 20 21:52:12 Copyright 2005, Iventor, Inc. All Rights Reserved Jun 20 21:52:14 Build options are: Oasis-Linux-WebConsole-LightLocks-Generational-GCC_Goto_Optimizations-SingleSlot Jun 20 21:53:46 bpadalino: thanks Jun 20 21:53:48 where can I submit development / tweak wish Jun 20 21:54:07 siegelas, for official palm software ? Jun 20 21:54:32 I guess, although I think it might be something that the community can handle. Jun 20 21:54:40 I would like to see search added for email Jun 20 21:54:52 siegelas: Do you have wiki access? Jun 20 21:55:00 siegelas: I'll add it to the Ideas page on the wiki Jun 20 21:55:27 if you want to make a request to palm, their official forums would probably be a good place for it: http://forums.palm.com/palm/ Jun 20 21:55:46 Oh, sorry Jun 20 21:55:56 You want it added for realz Jun 20 21:55:58 :-) Jun 20 21:56:27 LOL, exactly. I have spoken with the execs at Palm and they can offer no idea as to weather it will happen or when. Jun 20 21:56:46 it'll probably happen Jun 20 21:56:48 you spoke to execs ? Jun 20 21:56:52 wow Jun 20 21:56:56 Apple's doing it now, so Palm will, too Jun 20 21:57:07 Along with uncrippled cut & paste Jun 20 21:57:19 Has anyone investigated the clipboard services? Jun 20 21:57:33 iphone's cut/copy and paste is really cool Jun 20 21:57:35 no, i haven't Jun 20 21:57:51 ShinAli: Yeah Jun 20 21:58:57 on wiki access did you mean update? Jun 20 21:59:58 Yeah Jun 20 22:00:13 I don't yet. Jun 20 22:01:22 I noticed some typos for example in the "Graphical Shell with ajaxPHPterm". Is this the place to point them out? Jun 20 22:01:57 siegelas: If you have a knack for editing, you could get edit access and make the changes yourself Jun 20 22:02:05 i really just want my gmail emails threaded ... unfortunately neither the iphone or the pre software handles that .. only official google software does apprently Jun 20 22:02:11 if it's notable enough someone could throw up an entry on hamachi with some basic instructions: ipkg install libcryto Jun 20 22:02:12 ln -s /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 Jun 20 22:02:12 wget http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/hamachi-0.9.9.9-20-lnx-n770.tar.gz Jun 20 22:02:12 tar -zvf hamachi-0.9.9.9-20-lnx-n770.tar.gz Jun 20 22:02:12 cd hamachi-0.9.9.9-20-lnx-n770 Jun 20 22:02:13 view README... ./install etc... Jun 20 22:02:49 you got wiki access konsoleX? Jun 20 22:02:58 nahh... not want ;) Jun 20 22:03:01 Will do, but I must confess that as much as I love to play with the PRE, I need it for business. If I can't get email search then I will be returning the unit. Jun 20 22:03:17 has anyone setup a webos emu or a mock-sdk? Jun 20 22:03:20 ok Jun 20 22:03:35 siegelas: , you c an just use the browser version of gmail Jun 20 22:04:37 siegelas: do you want to search all email or just local email ? Jun 20 22:05:31 Local email. I use exchange activesync and trying to use the OWA browser is too time consuming. Jun 20 22:05:49 konsoleX: what is that Jun 20 22:06:32 I am not sure why the contacts database can be searched but not the email. this seems like such a stupid thing not to have added in the first place. Jun 20 22:07:47 tictac: it's a free vpn client, zero configuration, closed source but it seems inherently secure Jun 20 22:08:03 although my pre just rebooted... hrmm... Jun 20 22:08:56 wow, all these buckets for email Jun 20 22:09:16 should be somewhat simple to grep through emails tho Jun 20 22:09:43 $50.00 to the person who gets it done ;) Jun 20 22:11:05 heh, Adil and Mindy Jun 20 22:11:06 wow a lot happened while I was gone. someone has a flashlight app working? Jun 20 22:11:10 siegelas: Is your Pre rooted? Jun 20 22:11:32 I bid 300 quatloos for the new comers! Jun 20 22:11:33 Yes. Jun 20 22:12:51 Kaerey: where'd u see that ? Jun 20 22:14:02 bpadalino: Or just select from where like Jun 20 22:14:34 tuncfg has to be run as root Jun 20 22:17:01 issues - i have had an issue where this modification left me with a blank messaging screen being unable to read new messages. anyone else have this issue? - tictac Jun 20 22:17:02 ^yes Jun 20 22:18:37 konsoleX: there's vpnc in the source code release, so maybe in the stock image as well Jun 20 22:19:09 konsoleX: I wonder if they're planning on a gui for it in later versions ormaybe in the business version Jun 20 22:20:49 where are the palm://com.palm.... bits ? Jun 20 22:21:35 Filefly: you had that issue also? Jun 20 22:21:41 yes Jun 20 22:21:48 Filefly: verify your brackets are closed correctly in list-assistant.js Jun 20 22:22:08 did you fix it? Jun 20 22:22:16 i redid it and it works for me. Jun 20 22:22:19 okay Jun 20 22:22:34 i also have the issue with the unread messages but thats noted on the wiki Jun 20 22:22:40 right Jun 20 22:28:51 http://www.funambol.com/ Jun 20 22:33:02 hi everyone Jun 20 22:33:30 tictac: the problem was that i had missed the existing clearListBadgeForChatThreadId function below it Jun 20 22:33:59 has anyone had success with enabling the graphical shell (http://predev.wikidot.com/shell) Jun 20 22:34:26 Robi: it's in the forums from PreGame Jun 20 22:34:50 which one Jun 20 22:35:17 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187407-my-flashlight.html Jun 20 22:37:27 they using our predev wiki or some other ? Jun 20 22:38:47 he probably will. he's in here a lot Jun 20 22:54:26 Bales: we don't have liftoff on installing apps without root unless the signature is not required Jun 20 22:55:11 what user does luna run as? out of curiosity... Jun 20 22:55:23 probably root Jun 20 22:56:19 yes Jun 20 22:56:55 wow I'm in LOVE with Tweet Deck Jun 20 22:58:22 So just a small number of people have access to the SDK, yet we get *two* Twitter apps already :-| Jun 20 22:58:36 Guys, we have the org.webos-internals.* namespace available to use for homebrew app ids ... Jun 20 22:58:53 seesmic is better Jun 20 22:59:14 We should use that instead of using com.something when you don't actually own the something.com domain ... Jun 20 23:00:17 ultraBlack: ping Jun 20 23:01:23 rwhitby: nice Jun 20 23:01:42 we could split it up by IRC nick Jun 20 23:01:52 e.g. org.webos-internals.rwhitby.appname Jun 20 23:02:26 I like that idea. I see a lot of posts and articles out there talking about fart apps. I think we should make one just to shut people up and say here.. we made it no go away. Jun 20 23:02:35 bit much trouble for hacking, but once sdk is out, and proper app dev happens, sure Jun 20 23:02:53 Robi-: what is too much trouble for hacking? Jun 20 23:03:17 modding existing com.palm stuff to org.... Jun 20 23:03:57 well, not doing so it not showing any respect for unique id naming schemes, and not showing respect for Palm's ownership of the palm.com domain Jun 20 23:04:20 The convention is that you reverse a domain name that you own. Jun 20 23:04:25 hello Jun 20 23:04:44 Hackers should still follow established naming conventions. Jun 20 23:05:06 ^^ tru.... tru Jun 20 23:05:14 (I'm talking about new apps here, not the one-line modifications to in-built apps) Jun 20 23:05:35 how do i check that my phone is in dev mode Jun 20 23:05:38 it looks like it is Jun 20 23:05:51 open the dev mode app what state is the switch in? Jun 20 23:06:01 yeah i thought that Jun 20 23:06:27 both novacomd script and talk.py script is still breaking Jun 20 23:07:03 Trying to root the PRE guys, I'm getting errors when running the talk.py file ...any advice? Jun 20 23:07:06 http://webos.pastebin.com/m3c20f33 Jun 20 23:07:17 uhuhuh: you're on windows? Jun 20 23:07:33 interesting. this is in the SPAZ Twitter App README "PLEASE NOTE: THIS APPLICATION CONTAINS NO PALM-PROVIDED CODE, INCLUDING ANY CODE CONTAINED IN THE WEBOS SDK" Jun 20 23:07:38 anyone want to help me out with finalizing this hamachi thing? i have it down to a single command but I don't know how to get it to exec on startup Jun 20 23:08:12 ProtossEX, uhuhuh: try http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 20 23:08:19 yeahhh Jun 20 23:08:22 XP PRO Jun 20 23:08:24 i am Jun 20 23:08:46 novaproxy isn't working for you ProtossEX? Jun 20 23:09:35 naa its breaking on Jun 20 23:09:38 a certain line Jun 20 23:09:43 where the port 6828 Jun 20 23:09:49 sock = getsocket(6968) Jun 20 23:09:51 that port Jun 20 23:09:58 and my phone is in dev mode Jun 20 23:10:00 did you install the driver? Jun 20 23:10:06 the novacomp driver Jun 20 23:10:07 yeah Jun 20 23:10:15 the service is running Jun 20 23:10:22 what os? Jun 20 23:10:27 vista 32 :( Jun 20 23:10:33 lol Jun 20 23:10:41 hm, had it working on vista Jun 20 23:10:46 is your firewall off? Jun 20 23:10:47 UAC = Off FW = Off Jun 20 23:12:52 i just rebooted my pre phone a few times Jun 20 23:12:53 version 1.03 Jun 20 23:15:36 any suggestions for this firefly Jun 20 23:16:53 127.0.0.1 port 6928 = Listening Jun 20 23:20:06 ok, I am trying novaproxy but getting a line 5 error Jun 20 23:20:20 i couldnt find the zip file Jun 20 23:20:25 so i copyed and pasted all the code Jun 20 23:20:41 and pasted it into notpad and readded the tabs Jun 20 23:21:06 you may wanto open the novaproxy script in VI Jun 20 23:21:11 and see what line is 5 Jun 20 23:21:47 Is there a telnet application that works under Classic? Jun 20 23:21:49 hey Jun 20 23:21:54 has anyone done the cpu scalling Jun 20 23:21:56 scaling Jun 20 23:22:02 aslo has anyone enabled SmartReflex? Jun 20 23:22:05 I hate java script Jun 20 23:22:08 We could turn on dev mode, and then use a telnet app under classic to access the shell on the device ... Jun 20 23:22:25 I should say, I need to get a better understanding of javascript Jun 20 23:23:02 Geesh.. my father is trying to convince me that more kids nowdays haven't been exposed the the term linux Jun 20 23:24:38 ahh used a differnt usb port Jun 20 23:24:40 it worked lol Jun 20 23:24:47 rofl Jun 20 23:24:57 anyone cpu scaling? Jun 20 23:25:06 im doing it but my pre seems really hot Jun 20 23:25:07 idk why Jun 20 23:25:11 its also plugged in charging Jun 20 23:26:07 jclusso: yeah, someone tried cpu scaling .. Jun 20 23:26:10 let me find it on the wiki Jun 20 23:26:27 http://predev.wikidot.com/processor Jun 20 23:26:57 i know Jun 20 23:27:03 has anyone tried SmartReflex Jun 20 23:27:18 i read about it on some site but I tried it and I think it endewd up bricking my pre Jun 20 23:27:21 don't know what smartreflex is Jun 20 23:27:34 i had to use webos doctor Jun 20 23:27:43 idk... it was wierd cause it worked after first reboot Jun 20 23:27:44 than it stopped Jun 20 23:27:56 um, if the doctor can recover it, then it's not bricked Jun 20 23:28:57 jclusso: how did you try to enable smartreflex ? Jun 20 23:29:29 where can I DL VI? Jun 20 23:29:57 you can download vim for Windows Jun 20 23:30:33 vi is installed on the device stock ... Jun 20 23:30:38 but vi should already be on the Pre Jun 20 23:33:46 I have a line 5 error,when trying to run novaproxy.py..i just download VIM, what should I be looking for now? Thanks for your guidance so far... Jun 20 23:33:55 hello Jun 20 23:34:05 finally. couldn't post for a while Jun 20 23:34:21 about installing vim: Jun 20 23:34:42 '/opt/bin/ipkg-opt install vim' Jun 20 23:35:34 uhuhuh, please use webos.pastebin.com to post the error you get from novaproxy Jun 20 23:37:48 does anyone know if java reversed-domain names can have hyphens in them? Jun 20 23:38:48 http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/second_edition/html/packages.doc.html Jun 20 23:38:50 search for hyphen Jun 20 23:39:01 the answer is no - convert it to an underscore Jun 20 23:39:09 Ok I posted my error....so how do I solve this problem? Jun 20 23:39:38 you get the correct file that is a python script Jun 20 23:39:45 and not an html document Jun 20 23:39:46 :0 Jun 20 23:39:48 :) Jun 20 23:40:45 haha ok I got ya Jun 20 23:40:51 Just tried that smartreflex thing from the net Jun 20 23:40:54 echo -n 1 > /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp Jun 20 23:40:54 echo -n 1 > /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp Jun 20 23:41:18 uhuhuh, also - next time - please post the resulting paste location of your error .. Jun 20 23:41:26 siegelas: and that busted it up ? Jun 20 23:41:36 After about 30 seconds the whole Pre hung hard. Had to remove the battery. Jun 20 23:42:56 I'd say not the best way to implement TIs smartreflex. Jun 20 23:43:15 Ok I got the right file....new error that novacomd cannot find my pre Jun 20 23:44:00 uhuhuh, please do something similar to before - verbosity is our friend with these situations Jun 20 23:46:37 ok, posted this error Jun 20 23:47:36 now please link me to your pasted error Jun 20 23:47:50 http://webos.pastebin.com/m55d1cab4 Jun 20 23:48:14 nice error Jun 20 23:48:43 so is the first part true: Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode ? Jun 20 23:49:05 Hey all, just looking for clarification: on http://predev.wikidot.com/update-1-0-3-info, the note about creating a new cron file, would you still have to cp it over, or would the OS pick up on it? Jun 20 23:49:22 it is plugged in via USB ("just charge") and dev mode is on Jun 20 23:49:51 uhuhuh: I just got in, what error are you getting, and what OS are you running? I had problems with that process just last night Jun 20 23:50:07 I just unplugged and replugged.....found new hardware.....that may have been it Jun 20 23:50:39 flare576: it should pick up all files in /etc/cron.d - that's why we always suggest creating a new file (with a name that's not going to collide with a future Palm name) instead of modifying an existing one Jun 20 23:50:51 its listening now...I got it so far...thanks for being patient Jun 20 23:51:06 rwhitby: cool, and did you mean event.d? Jun 20 23:51:23 uhuhuh: grats :) Jun 20 23:51:32 flare576: yeah, event.d for the upstart script Jun 20 23:51:44 rwhitby: you the man Jun 20 23:51:58 if it's an optware app, use /etc/event.d/optware- for the upstart script name Jun 20 23:52:36 cool, I didn't know that everything in that folder is run on startup :) Jun 20 23:53:11 it's not necessarily run on startup - the triggers listed in the file determine when it is run Jun 20 23:53:26 start on ..., stop on ..., ... Jun 20 23:53:47 cool :) Jun 20 23:54:54 uhuhuh: we should probably put in the directions to keep your pre unplugged during the install of the novacomd driver Jun 20 23:54:56 then plug in Jun 20 23:56:01 why is rootfs only 441.7M? Jun 20 23:56:13 Is there a simple command to set a variable to the full path of the ringtone? Jun 20 23:56:21 it would be nice to see battery statistics for the CPU scaling . Jun 20 23:56:35 czarphanguye: what size would you like it to be ? Jun 20 23:56:35 czarphanguye: 441.8M was too large Jun 20 23:56:42 JackieRipper: you mean an environment variable? Jun 20 23:57:02 bpadalino: a few gb would be nice Jun 20 23:57:04 word. Jun 20 23:57:09 no, like "var sonefunction()" Jun 20 23:57:19 or even someFunction Jun 20 23:57:23 czarphanguye: there is only 8GB of storage ... using it for media was probably the main purpose Jun 20 23:57:30 czarphanguye: you're asking a question that only the Palm development team could answer, and even if they were able to state anything like that publicly they wouldn't do it here ... Jun 20 23:57:31 no reason for wasted rootfs space Jun 20 23:57:42 bpadalino: can I change the size? Jun 20 23:58:06 JackieRipper: you mean in Javascript? var address = "/this/is/your/path" Jun 20 23:58:25 czarphanguye: lvm utilities are on there for repartitioning the flash - use at your own risk, ymmv, etc, etc Jun 20 23:58:27 yes Jun 20 23:58:36 czarphanguye: it will be difficult to resize the rootfs whilst it is mounted ... Jun 20 23:58:38 flare576: yes, exactly Jun 20 23:58:46 that's it then lol Jun 20 23:59:01 (the lvm you can resize while mounted, but not the ext3 filesystem in it) Jun 20 23:59:01 but setting the address to the current value Jun 20 23:59:33 czarphanguye: did you get the wiki pw I sent you? Jun 20 23:59:48 * czarphanguye checks Jun 21 00:00:03 rwhitby: yes, ty Jun 21 00:00:42 czarphanguye: why do you want to increase the size of / anyway? apps are stored in /var ... Jun 21 00:00:44 Oh, are you saying "I want to know if it changes, and reset the variable if it does"? Jun 21 00:01:31 Hey everybody, whats new? Jun 21 00:01:47 Ok, Im in putty and trying to enable cpu scaling...I typed in the code on the wiki...but get an error stating cannot create .scaling_governor: read only system file Jun 21 00:01:58 imop45: how's that virtual keyboard going - the tweaks page says you're actively working on it ... Jun 21 00:02:13 Hmmm, apparently there's a bug with attachments in the Mail app Jun 21 00:02:14 File system needs to be writable. Jun 21 00:02:23 You need to mount it has read/write Jun 21 00:02:49 flare576: I can run the db query manually in the shell, but I'm not sure how that translates to javascript. Jun 21 00:02:58 rootfs_open -w Jun 21 00:03:02 rwhitby: I installed a lot of apps via /opt/bin/ipkg-opt and they filled up the rootfs. Had to remove at least 100MB worth to upgrade the new apps via app store Jun 21 00:03:08 type that it rootfs_open -w Jun 21 00:03:19 I gotta run guys..you all have been great...I'll mess with this later Jun 21 00:03:39 czarphanguye: ah, you actually filled up the /var filesystem, not the rootfs. Jun 21 00:03:45 (different LVM volumes) Jun 21 00:03:51 rw: I have no idea.. I dont know how to do it, that was... electrofreak who was working on that Jun 21 00:03:58 JackieRipper: I think it's at /usr/palm/sounds/notification.wav Jun 21 00:04:02 JackieRipper: and I don't think it can change Jun 21 00:04:11 flare576: the ringtone? Jun 21 00:04:15 JackieRipper: so you might be safe just hard-coding, but I might not be understanding your problem Jun 21 00:04:20 imop45: ok, http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas says it's you working on it Jun 21 00:04:35 I dont even have access to the wiki like that. Jun 21 00:04:36 JackieRipper: ohhh, now I understand your question; "What command do I use to discover teh current ringtone" ? Jun 21 00:04:46 in javascript, yes Jun 21 00:05:21 I think it's something like: var request = new Mojo.Service.Request(SystemService.identifier, { method: 'getPreferences', parameters: {"keys":["ringtone"],"subscribe":true}, }); Jun 21 00:05:24 imop45: ok, I've updated the page. Jun 21 00:05:25 Landscape virtual keyboard in the Web app. ~ iimop45 [B]and friends[B/] Jun 21 00:05:35 flare and jackieripper: yes you can change the notification sound I've posted how in the wiki Jun 21 00:05:47 JackieRipper: I don't know, if I had to guess I'd say "Look in the Phone application, and try to find the spot where it lets you chose the ringtone, since it selects the one you currently have" Jun 21 00:05:59 Aw, i liked my name there! It says ideas, not working on. Jun 21 00:06:16 Kaerey: I misunderstood JackieRipper's question; it's not abut the notificaiton, it's about the ringtone Jun 21 00:06:24 hey, how do you Create an upstart script "/etc/event.d/webos-webshell" Jun 21 00:06:44 Kaerey: awesome mod, by the way Jun 21 00:07:03 agreed Jun 21 00:07:05 you can do that too Jun 21 00:08:17 * rwhitby thinks that any entries on http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas should at least have some idea of how it could possibly be done, otherwise it just ends up as a catch-all wishlist with no sense of practicality. Jun 21 00:08:57 e.g. "Allow other messaging protocols using libpurple plugins (Facebook, Jabber, etc.)." is a good one. Jun 21 00:09:18 Here's a question for ya'll: I love http://predev.wikidot.com/random-wallpaper-switching, but would like to write a GUI to control it... is there a part of the webOS for scheduling, or will I need to find a way to edit the /etc/cron/crontabs/ root file? Jun 21 00:09:32 Ok, now someone recommended "geist" in my channel log Jun 21 00:09:41 how do you Create an upstart script "/etc/event.d/webos-webshell" in terminal Jun 21 00:09:55 imop45: that was me Jun 21 00:10:18 Ok, now how do i do that? Jun 21 00:10:24 imop45: search the files in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals for 'geist' Jun 21 00:10:51 (the location of the logs is listed in the channel topic, BTW) Jun 21 00:11:54 (Just a note about the pre, the Samsung Highnote's charger works with it.) Jun 21 00:12:22 imop45: hopefully you just saved someone $35 :/ lol Jun 21 00:13:41 how do you Create an upstart script "/etc/event.d/webos-webshell" Jun 21 00:14:23 i haven't seen geist or chrisa in a while Jun 21 00:14:23 :( Jun 21 00:14:27 home: "sudo touch /etc/event.d/webos-webshell" Jun 21 00:14:32 Well, im at my mom's house and i left my USB thing at my house..so i tried her, and viola even connects to the computer. And for a pre car charger, you can just get a regular car usb charger (make sure its the right voltage and mha Jun 21 00:15:14 If I remember from looking around, it's 1,000ma, 1v? Jun 21 00:15:18 bpadalino: yeah, I'm speculating (pure speculation, no basis in fact, tech blogs do not write about this) that the tethering situation caused Palm folks to be wary of talking here. Jun 21 00:15:22 flare576: how do you edit it? Jun 21 00:15:37 what a shame - they were nice guys to talk to Jun 21 00:15:37 home: http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use Jun 21 00:15:41 home: sudo vi /etc/event.d/webos-webshell Jun 21 00:15:53 and then use rwhitby's guide for using vi Jun 21 00:16:16 as for the actual contents of the file to make things work... I'm going to be useless. Jun 21 00:16:24 flare576: i know how to use vi. do you just save it without an extension? Jun 21 00:16:33 flare576: thanks for answering by the way Jun 21 00:16:39 yeah, none of the files in that directory actually have extensions Jun 21 00:16:58 home: np, I just didn't understand what you were asking... making new files isn't all that hard Jun 21 00:17:02 home: on which page does it suggest using the name 'webos-webshell' ? Jun 21 00:17:13 . Create an upstart script "/etc/event.d/webos-webshell" with the following contents: Jun 21 00:17:13 start on stopped finish Jun 21 00:17:14 stop on runlevel [!2] Jun 21 00:17:14 console none Jun 21 00:17:14 respawn Jun 21 00:17:14 exec /opt/bin/python /opt/share/webshell/webshell.py -c "/opt/bin/ssh -p 222 -l $USER localhost" --ssl-disable Jun 21 00:18:04 home: next time link the webpage :) Jun 21 00:19:36 flare576: thanks Jun 21 00:19:52 i vi'd and added that than :wq. is that all i need to do? Jun 21 00:20:19 home: if it let you right (meaning you have the root in write mode) yeah. Jun 21 00:20:21 i'm trying to run graphical shell straight from pre Jun 21 00:20:29 thanks Jun 21 00:20:39 I'm not 100% sure if you need to reboot the device or not for that particular app/change. Jun 21 00:20:43 why peeople want grapical shell so bad Jun 21 00:20:53 tharris: 3d games are fun? Jun 21 00:20:54 webshell is not worth it, the ajaxphp one is reported to be better Jun 21 00:21:12 rwhitby where are instr. for that? Jun 21 00:21:20 in the wiki :-) Jun 21 00:21:32 flare: what are u gonna play Jun 21 00:21:35 Does doing these things viod the warranty? Jun 21 00:21:37 i'm in the wiki rwhitby Jun 21 00:21:46 thats the only one i see Jun 21 00:21:55 and you're looking through http://predev.wikidot.com/system:list-all-pages just like I am to find it? Jun 21 00:22:09 tharris: my bad, misunderstood the question :) Jun 21 00:22:16 =p Jun 21 00:22:19 it's on the line immediately above the webshell link ... Jun 21 00:22:35 ill take putty over winshell =p Jun 21 00:22:40 rwhitby thanks. Jun 21 00:22:55 webshell* Jun 21 00:22:56 webshell is meh Jun 21 00:23:52 wow, this lets you get Linux access from the browser ON the Pre? installing right... meow. Jun 21 00:24:28 ajaxphpterm worked better with the keypad Jun 21 00:24:41 what's the simplest webOS app in code other than devmodeswitcher? Jun 21 00:25:09 helloworld on the wiki ? Jun 21 00:25:31 i don't know how i would utilize javascript in that Jun 21 00:25:37 Wait, linux access?? How? Jun 21 00:26:00 imop45, you can enable telnet for local access only Jun 21 00:26:32 I'm installing http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm, my understanding is that you can bring up a terminal on the device, which (if correct) would be pretty sweet. Jun 21 00:26:35 On my pre? Jun 21 00:26:48 there is a telnet daemon included on the pre Jun 21 00:27:02 Im using dropbear through putty. Jun 21 00:27:04 oh that's interesting too Jun 21 00:27:07 flare576 it works pretty nicely. but it keeps capitlizing the first letter Jun 21 00:27:07 imop45: first page of the wiki says that anything in the wiki is likely to void your warranty Jun 21 00:27:15 flare576: right Jun 21 00:27:17 hey peeps. anyone working on app dev here? Jun 21 00:27:22 siegelas: Yeah, that's a real pain Jun 21 00:27:26 siegelas: that's actuall probably a carry over fromt he WebOS's treatment of sentences :/ Jun 21 00:27:27 the pre has a bad habit of always capitalizing the first letter of a sentence Jun 21 00:27:32 the stupid orielly book isn't helping because it depends on the SDK tools Jun 21 00:27:40 and god knows when we're going to get those Jun 21 00:27:45 funkatron: app dev using the sdk is in #webos, app dev without the SDK is here :-) Jun 21 00:27:47 end of summer :) Jun 21 00:28:09 cool, thanks rwhitby. I'll keep an ear in here tho as well Jun 21 00:28:23 which is completely ambiguous wording ARGHGH Jun 21 00:28:29 So does anybody know how to turn off the autocorrection while using the ajaxphp shell Jun 21 00:28:32 So its possible to access linux straight from the Pre? Without going through a computer? Jun 21 00:28:38 my end of summer is 7 months away ... Jun 21 00:28:56 rwhitby: end of north american summer Jun 21 00:29:22 I love how Chuq says "end of summer" in the blog, and then ends the blog entry with "we're working hard to bring this SDK to the world ..." Jun 21 00:29:40 he's covering his ass - he didn't say which summer Jun 21 00:29:41 that's straight-up hemispherism Jun 21 00:29:44 :) Jun 21 00:30:46 funkatron: yeah, next he'll be using US public holidays to schedule things - "it'll be out by thanksgiving ...: Jun 21 00:30:56 haha nice Jun 21 00:31:26 yeah well, they told me I'd get a device to test on before release, so... 8) Jun 21 00:32:22 oh nevermind its working after reboot for god knows what Jun 21 00:32:51 that was an enormous pain in the ass Jun 21 00:33:17 ShinAli: what's working? Jun 21 00:33:24 funkatron: no device yet? Jun 21 00:33:41 bpadalino: nopers Jun 21 00:33:56 rwhitby: my stupid webOS application Jun 21 00:34:00 so i can test the service Jun 21 00:34:11 shinali, is your service successful ? Jun 21 00:34:26 no it says its not running Jun 21 00:34:35 :( Jun 21 00:35:03 though i'm not sure if i'm using the right service request function Jun 21 00:35:27 Im trying to run the python script found on step. 10 @ http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting but I keep receiving the following error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it Jun 21 00:35:30 Any suggestions? Jun 21 00:36:10 dk0r, when you installed novacomd - did you have your pre plugged in or not ? Jun 21 00:37:10 yep, and in dev-mode Jun 21 00:37:19 unplug it and replug it back in .. Jun 21 00:37:28 trying.. Jun 21 00:37:32 after installing novacomd, i believe it needs a new usb event to search for the palm device Jun 21 00:37:36 and start the device Jun 21 00:38:19 Hey... I have a linux n00b question: http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm step 4: do the first 3 lines need to be commented (with '#') ? Jun 21 00:39:03 no - i believe that is OK Jun 21 00:39:12 flare576: no Jun 21 00:39:17 bpadalino, unplugged and replugged; still same error. i've read it doesnt matter whether you select usb or just charge mode. is that correct? Jun 21 00:39:20 they are upstart commands Jun 21 00:39:37 it should not matter, no .. novacomd should be running Jun 21 00:39:42 dk0r: are you using windows 7 ? Jun 21 00:39:51 ..... Jun 21 00:39:53 yes.. Jun 21 00:39:59 ah, don't :) Jun 21 00:40:05 damn it! Jun 21 00:40:08 sorry Jun 21 00:40:09 rwhitby: the "Description "thttpd Daemon for WebOS" is an upstart command? Jun 21 00:40:17 dk0r: "This procedure is known to not work on Windows 7, so it's best just to stick with XP. If you run XP in VMware however, it has been reported to work." Jun 21 00:40:39 maybe that line should be in big red flashing letters :-) Jun 21 00:40:49 and scroll Jun 21 00:40:57 +rwhitby, that seems like too much software just for a tether Jun 21 00:41:25 question though, were I using xp, how convient is day to day tethering? does it require you startup and configure multiple apps to get a connection going? Jun 21 00:41:49 rooting != tethering Jun 21 00:41:50 dk0r: check the channel topic :) Jun 21 00:42:08 moreover, we don't discuss how to accomplish tethering in here .. but if you can figure it out yourself, enjoy Jun 21 00:42:08 he's talking about device root access, not tethering Jun 21 00:42:30 rooting the phone via those steps is a 1-time thing Jun 21 00:42:40 dk0r: once you've installed dropbear, then only thing you need on the PC is PuTTY. Jun 21 00:42:42 after you do it, you just SSH via wifi or EVDO (if you turn that feature on) Jun 21 00:42:59 Whats the mount writable cmd? Jun 21 00:43:01 Filefly: do we know if the novaproxy stuff works on Windows 7? Jun 21 00:43:03 hello all, having problems rooting too :( Jun 21 00:43:14 imop45: first line of the opkg install instructions Jun 21 00:43:33 tethering: bad! forwarding traffic? a matter of firewall config... Jun 21 00:43:34 rwhitby: Just want to be sure, sorry to ask again, but the step 4 of http://predev.wikidot.com/ajaxphpterm, the lines that start with Description, author, and version are actual commands and need to remain uncommented? Jun 21 00:44:00 yes Jun 21 00:44:08 my internet is slow anyone remember the code off hand? Jun 21 00:44:14 flare576: commands in the script file Jun 21 00:44:15 rwhitby: thanks man... odd commands, so I had to verify Jun 21 00:44:21 rwhitby: since novacomd doesn't run with windows 7 - novaproxy won't really work :( Jun 21 00:44:26 flare576: they do not need to be commented Jun 21 00:44:45 abacabb? oh wait thats fatality code Jun 21 00:45:00 siegelas, rwhitby: thanks for answering twice.... just very odd commands lol Jun 21 00:45:19 I've tried both the talk.py AND novaproxy.py routes. The talk.py just gives me the "actively refused it" error and the novaproxy gives me the "try to reinstall novacominstaller and if no love come here" Jun 21 00:45:41 i closed out my firewall and have no active A/V Jun 21 00:45:47 i am le stumped Jun 21 00:45:54 dark1, operating system ? Jun 21 00:45:55 i can ping the pre Jun 21 00:45:57 xp Jun 21 00:46:04 unplug the pre and re-plug it in ? Jun 21 00:46:14 ok Jun 21 00:46:40 bpadalino: do we know if it runs on Vista? Jun 21 00:46:50 done, selected just charge Jun 21 00:46:50 rwhitby: i don't know :( Jun 21 00:46:57 let me try rerunning talk Jun 21 00:47:09 let's assume it doesn't. Jun 21 00:47:16 * rwhitby updates the web page to say Windows XP only Jun 21 00:47:36 rwhitby: then i better start working on a novacomd that we can compile with mingw and libusb Jun 21 00:47:36 nothing for a long while Jun 21 00:47:49 rwhitby: I could not get it to work on Vista Jun 21 00:47:56 I believe vista did not see the device properly Jun 21 00:47:57 flare576: thx for the confirmation Jun 21 00:47:57 dark1, can you check to see if port 6968 is open on your machine and istening - as well as novacomd.exe is running ? Jun 21 00:48:09 as I tried two versions of Python, same error, suggested no device found. Jun 21 00:48:42 novacomd is running, scrolling through netstat output Jun 21 00:48:43 also tried the x86 as well as the 64bit version (since I'm rocking vista64), no love. Jun 21 00:49:19 i don't see anything on 6968 Jun 21 00:49:23 ok, the page now says three or four times that it only works in XP Jun 21 00:49:37 dark1, do you see Palm Novacom in your device manager ? Jun 21 00:49:49 wait Jun 21 00:49:50 TCP WraithII:6968 WraithII:0 LISTENING Jun 21 00:49:59 i see 6968 listening now Jun 21 00:49:59 a lot of tweets goig on right now "Plam Releases Source Code to webOS" Jun 21 00:50:04 i am teh blind Jun 21 00:50:07 checking device manager Jun 21 00:50:17 dark1, then it looks like novacomd found it Jun 21 00:50:26 dark1, can you telnet to that port and have it accept ? Jun 21 00:50:29 this one made me chuckle "Palm Pre WebOS is now open-sourced, fantastic - http://tinyurl.com/mcpwuy" NOW it is open-sources Jun 21 00:50:30 yes, i see Palm Novacom in the device list Jun 21 00:50:42 checking Jun 21 00:50:50 I just got my palm pre, I can't get it to connect to amarok, any ideas? Jun 21 00:51:07 28306 12af0b931d79ff6675c026b96105acd22e534953 usb castle-linux Jun 21 00:51:07 Connection to host lost. Jun 21 00:51:10 ok so rooting the pre will only work with xp so now i have to find an xp computer someplace it seems Jun 21 00:51:31 dark1, try using your python script again Jun 21 00:51:35 ok Jun 21 00:51:45 Noahbody: what do you have? Jun 21 00:51:52 running... nothing yet Jun 21 00:51:52 vista 64 bit Jun 21 00:51:55 I'd like someone to try Vista32 Jun 21 00:51:56 * Dark1 waits Jun 21 00:52:03 Noahbody: vista64 probably will not work :( Jun 21 00:52:17 what about vista32? Jun 21 00:52:21 flare576: I am loading vista 32 bit right now to test it. Give 30min Jun 21 00:52:21 Kaerey: heh - Palm haven't released any webOS code at all Jun 21 00:52:29 virtualbox>piratebay>xp Jun 21 00:52:45 siegelas thanks Jun 21 00:52:47 or a various linux distro Jun 21 00:52:53 siegelas: awesome; probably stupid to say, but be sure to use the x86 version of the drivers. Jun 21 00:52:57 they've released GPL'd code for some of the underlying linux applications for the Linux platform that webOS happens to run on .... Jun 21 00:53:07 will this rooting work using say fedora? Jun 21 00:53:22 no - there isn't a novacomd written for linux that has been released Jun 21 00:53:28 damn Jun 21 00:53:35 i should really, really work on that Jun 21 00:54:02 yea whoops. TBD Jun 21 00:54:07 still waiting Jun 21 00:54:07 didn't see that Jun 21 00:54:11 if it wasnt for a couple of work programs that i use i would not be using anything windows Jun 21 00:54:45 flare576: will do Jun 21 00:55:12 still waiting Jun 21 00:55:44 Poor Palm, all of the uninformed "tech" blogs will now say that webOS is open source :-( Jun 21 00:56:04 (which it most definitely is not) Jun 21 00:56:05 rwhitby: but, that's good, 'cause then they'll have to open source it! right? Jun 21 00:56:08 socket.error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machi Jun 21 00:56:08 ne actively refused it Jun 21 00:56:32 :( Jun 21 00:56:34 dark1: what are you running? Jun 21 00:56:42 talk.py on xp? Jun 21 00:56:44 flare576: no, it's bad because then they will have to waste money paying layers to defend their code copyright, instead of paying programmers to make webOS better ... Jun 21 00:56:56 s/layer/lawyers/ Jun 21 00:57:25 novaproxy? Jun 21 00:57:53 i can try novaproxy again Jun 21 00:57:59 it didn't work for me either Jun 21 00:58:06 what error did give you the first time? Jun 21 00:58:16 novacomd is not running. Please re-run the NovacomInstaller and try again. If yo Jun 21 00:58:16 u continue to receive this message, please seek help via IRC at#webos-internals Jun 21 00:58:16 on irc.freenode.net. Jun 21 00:58:16 Press Enter to exit. Jun 21 00:58:19 but it is, in fact, running Jun 21 00:58:27 i reran the installer Jun 21 00:58:32 all your firewalls are down ? Jun 21 00:58:34 yes Jun 21 00:58:45 you can telnet to 6968 - so it's running . not sure why the python script doesn't work Jun 21 00:59:15 bpadalino: i've got the service working, but i had to run that luna-helper command Jun 21 00:59:28 the wiki said don't use a python higher than 2.6, but all i saw was 2.6.2 Jun 21 00:59:30 i assume that's ok Jun 21 00:59:39 it is Jun 21 00:59:49 that python is fine Jun 21 00:59:59 shinali, what did lunahelper do - install the service with luna ? Jun 21 01:00:11 Anyone figure out what this is? Jun 21 01:00:12 * rwhitby updates the page to say 2.6.2 is fine Jun 21 01:00:14 it might have? Jun 21 01:00:20 interesting Jun 21 01:00:22 ok Jun 21 01:00:24 com.palm.app.ondevicedemo Jun 21 01:00:25 let me try rebooting Jun 21 01:00:26 shinali, what was the luna-helper command you used ? Jun 21 01:00:28 Seems new. Jun 21 01:00:28 after i run it it says _connected client connected Jun 21 01:00:28 heck it's windows Jun 21 01:00:39 ./usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"com.shinali.services.hello","className":"com.shinali.services.HelloService"}' Jun 21 01:00:50 that might be a service itself Jun 21 01:01:00 can you access your methods ? Jun 21 01:01:05 but its in that dbus script so it should be working??? Jun 21 01:01:12 i just did from the webOS app Jun 21 01:01:38 well it may be on the dbus, but it might not be registered with luna Jun 21 01:01:49 which may be what luna-helper does to register the service Jun 21 01:02:53 lots of updates to the rough cuts book lately Jun 21 01:03:02 * rwhitby encourages others to add FAQ answers in-line in the wiki pages too ... Jun 21 01:03:14 oohhh, background applications! Jun 21 01:03:23 bp: I noticed the background apps info Jun 21 01:03:24 bpadalino: right, but thats what the dbus script does Jun 21 01:03:26 Nice stuff Jun 21 01:03:27 it runs that command Jun 21 01:03:34 or at least its supposed to Jun 21 01:03:37 ShinAli: ah .. hrm Jun 21 01:06:17 * rwhitby bbl Jun 21 01:07:24 i tried making the permissions the same as the other dbus scripts Jun 21 01:07:28 gonna test that Jun 21 01:07:52 the other java dbus scripts anyways Jun 21 01:08:34 nope Jun 21 01:09:01 anyone get success with DNS over evdo? Jun 21 01:09:26 flare576: yeah dfbterm works, but with the keyboard it's only semi-usable. I'm working on vala-terminal (what maemo and openmoko seem to use these days) now. Jun 21 01:09:33 Wizard_: yep Jun 21 01:09:50 am i suppose to ssh to the hostname? Jun 21 01:09:59 they OS caping the first letter is annoying as hell lol Jun 21 01:10:03 no love on mine; still get the "target machine actively refused it" with talk.py and "reinstall novacom" with novaproxy. any other suggestions? Jun 21 01:10:21 Dark1: ... are you sure you're in dev mode? Jun 21 01:10:22 it keeps prompting me to install 1.0.3 on the pre; should i go ahead and do that? i've been clicking "later" Jun 21 01:10:32 flare576: there's places where it should and it doesn't ;[ Jun 21 01:10:44 Wizard_: yes to the port you set Jun 21 01:10:57 siegelas: I think turning off the caps think would need to be system or at least application-wide most likely... you can press delete right after a character to make it lower case. Jun 21 01:11:04 flare: I was, i got the prompt to reboot; does it say somewhere to confirm? Jun 21 01:11:38 Robi: in dyndns.com or in the *.conf? Jun 21 01:11:45 djbclark: Yeh but it slows you down alot. Even if there was a way to turn off the autocorrect system wide and then turn it on when you were done it would be great Jun 21 01:11:51 imop45: yeah ajaxphpterm and dfbterm... also palm has their linux + patches up, so in theory should be able to compile it with fbcon enabled, but I don't think anyone has tried that out yet. Jun 21 01:12:20 Dark1: if you do the Konami code again and bring it up, it should be toggled on Jun 21 01:12:28 ok Jun 21 01:12:41 Wizard_: neither Jun 21 01:13:08 so were do i set it? lol Jun 21 01:13:31 damn Jun 21 01:13:39 yeah, it's toggled on Jun 21 01:13:57 flare576: they aren't commands, they are just in th format that upstart understands; it's not a shell script :) Jun 21 01:14:33 should I shut off the wifi while doing this? Jun 21 01:14:40 djbclark: Ohhhhh, ok, cool! Jun 21 01:14:41 i notice step 11 is turn on wifi Jun 21 01:14:48 or does it matter Jun 21 01:14:53 Dark1: shouldn't matter Jun 21 01:14:57 k Jun 21 01:15:02 :( Jun 21 01:15:03 Wizard_: when you set up dropbear or openssh Jun 21 01:15:17 Dark1: you're sure about firewalls and ip blockers and stuff? Jun 21 01:15:46 . Jun 21 01:15:59 as sure as I can be. don't have windows firewall at all; i use comodo which is off and confirmed not running Jun 21 01:16:06 well it works over wifi... but not evdo Jun 21 01:16:09 i can telnet to port 6968 and get a castle refusal Jun 21 01:16:20 so it doesn't appear to be blocked Jun 21 01:17:12 Wizard_: did you fix your iptables and remove '-i eth0' from the two lines? Jun 21 01:17:24 siegelas, still installing? Jun 21 01:17:39 siegelas: sadly I don't know of a way, but IMHO using ajaxphpterm for anything but kicking off specific scripts or doing emergancy fixes is too annoying for other reasons anyway. Since PHP runs on the system some simple PHP gui to run arbitrary scripts and display output in a way that would look nice would be sweet I think. Jun 21 01:17:41 Dark1: no, doesn't appear to be... why wouldn't that script let you in.... Jun 21 01:17:54 nope... were is that tut? Jun 21 01:18:02 yep. about 60% once vista 32 is installed it will only take me a few minutes to test novaproxy Jun 21 01:18:06 i have no clue Jun 21 01:18:08 neither script does Jun 21 01:18:15 talk nor novaproxy Jun 21 01:18:54 blasphemous Jun 21 01:18:57 siegelas, sweet. will await results Jun 21 01:19:14 Dark1: you know what I'd do? reboot the pre, and disconnect it first Jun 21 01:19:26 I'm sure you already did it once, but worth a shot since rebooting your machine Jun 21 01:19:29 "it" being wifi? Jun 21 01:19:41 is there a third party app community yet? Jun 21 01:19:42 Dark1: no no, unplug the cord Jun 21 01:19:47 ok Jun 21 01:20:16 siegelas: you rock :) Jun 21 01:21:31 Linux n00b question: when using "cat" append to files, ctrl+c is safe way of "save and exit" Jun 21 01:21:33 ? Jun 21 01:21:59 flare576: No! that exits without save. Ctrl+d Jun 21 01:22:20 Hmm, ive been using ctrl c and its been working fine Jun 21 01:22:39 you sure it has been updating the file? Jun 21 01:23:09 Well, ajax is working on my pre, on steps 3 and 4 i pressed ctrl c Jun 21 01:23:22 thats dope Jun 21 01:23:42 it's rebooting Jun 21 01:23:49 can't believe the touchstone didn't come with a 4 dollar usb cable Jun 21 01:23:53 jeebus palm Jun 21 01:23:55 I would use ctrl d Jun 21 01:23:59 Dark1: no fucking kidding Jun 21 01:24:15 $70 for the touchstone, $35 for the extra charger Jun 21 01:24:18 so as far as 1.0.3; should i wait or install it Jun 21 01:24:24 Dark1: doesn't matter Jun 21 01:24:28 apparently it's already downloaded Jun 21 01:24:29 k Jun 21 01:24:30 siegelas: if steps 3 and 4 didnt save, what would happen? Jun 21 01:24:39 imop45: it wouldn't work lol Jun 21 01:25:03 So.. i did save then? If i can use terminal in my web browser? Jun 21 01:25:11 ok, replugged; selected just charge Jun 21 01:25:28 imop45: yeah, if you can use terminal in your browser, that means it did save Jun 21 01:25:29 I would guess so but ctrl c is a break sequence. Ctrl D is the correct command Jun 21 01:25:34 SAmsun highnote charger and usb cable work on the palm pre Jun 21 01:25:38 running talk Jun 21 01:25:46 Dark1: I'm crossing my fingers for yah Jun 21 01:25:48 thx Jun 21 01:25:50 makes it hard to type :( Jun 21 01:25:53 heh Jun 21 01:25:57 nothing yet Jun 21 01:26:23 still getting the error? Jun 21 01:26:37 i get nothing for about a minute Jun 21 01:26:52 i haven't gotten an error yet Jun 21 01:26:53 So lets say i needed to take my Pre to sprint to be reapired. What do you recommend? Jun 21 01:26:58 but i imagine it would have done it by now if it was going to work Jun 21 01:27:25 i love how there is no debugger so you if your app doesnt display anything you have no clue what the issue is Jun 21 01:27:39 same error Jun 21 01:27:46 Dark1: crap... Jun 21 01:27:50 socket.error: [Errno 10061] No connection could be made because the target machi Jun 21 01:27:50 ne actively refused it Jun 21 01:28:12 when i telnet to localhost 6968 Jun 21 01:28:12 1307 12af0b931d79ff6675c026b96105acd22e534953 usb castle-linux Jun 21 01:28:12 Connection to host lost. Jun 21 01:28:18 so it looks like it's there Jun 21 01:28:46 get this from novaproxy Jun 21 01:28:47 novacomd is not running. Please re-run the NovacomInstaller and try again. If yo Jun 21 01:28:47 u continue to receive this message, please seek help via IRC at#webos-internals Jun 21 01:28:47 on irc.freenode.net. Jun 21 01:29:00 I'm so confused then... Jun 21 01:29:23 trying to uninstall and reinstall nova Jun 21 01:29:27 honestly, it looks like a firewall rule that is happening ... like it's blocking th application from connecting to localhost Jun 21 01:29:32 i think that is a silly idea Jun 21 01:29:34 it obviously works Jun 21 01:29:37 i shouldn't be able to telnet to it then should i Jun 21 01:29:47 telnet is a different program than python Jun 21 01:29:50 true Jun 21 01:29:52 i am no windows expert Jun 21 01:29:55 me either Jun 21 01:30:02 but if you can disable your firewall altogether Jun 21 01:30:06 i have Jun 21 01:30:13 then it doesn't make sense Jun 21 01:30:23 I love how you can use l Jun 21 01:30:23 una-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 21 01:30:32 instead of having to pkill LunaSysMgr Jun 21 01:30:36 MUCH faster Jun 21 01:30:43 is that for application finding ? Jun 21 01:30:49 everything Jun 21 01:30:52 nice Jun 21 01:30:52 even if you make a change Jun 21 01:30:57 it will reload it Jun 21 01:31:05 nice Jun 21 01:31:14 PreGame: annnnnd copy/paste for me to use later lol Jun 21 01:31:24 So lets say i needed to take my Pre to sprint to be repaired. What do you recommend i do so my warranty doesnt get voided? Jun 21 01:31:37 PreGame: you find the com command to turn on the torch? Jun 21 01:32:11 imop45: just don't tell them you did this shit? Jun 21 01:32:19 imop45: whats wrong with your pre Jun 21 01:32:31 siegelas: he's being hypothetical Jun 21 01:33:07 I doubt that the store people would have any idea whats on the Pre. They are going scrap it and reload anyway. It's the first thing they always do. Jun 21 01:33:13 Battery life is horrible. Flare: no went to take it a few hours ago but they dont do repairs anymore at that location Jun 21 01:33:29 it is impossible to repair a pre Jun 21 01:33:35 they'll just give you a new one Jun 21 01:33:51 It's what they do with my wifes centro and my old 800w Jun 21 01:34:07 they factory reload it erasing all of your data and then replace it if that doesn't work. Jun 21 01:34:09 No, not the people on the northside, theyre very good. THey always explain in details whats wrong, etc. Southside are horrible though Jun 21 01:34:53 imop45: I believe Palm has said "No store repairs," but I could be thinking of another phone... Jun 21 01:34:54 WE need a way to backup all changes and install it back. Like make a tarball Jun 21 01:35:13 That should be easy. Jun 21 01:35:35 Yeah they said its a closed case and no repairs can be made... but its not a closed case. Jun 21 01:36:03 THeyve repaired my centro. Hell ive repaired it Jun 21 01:36:18 what i suggest is we figure out rwhitby's quilt idea for apply patches to programs... and get some type of Preferences application as well as some type of Installing application Jun 21 01:36:22 imop45: what they do change the battery. Jun 21 01:36:31 imop, have you seen the teardown of the pre? it's not pretty Jun 21 01:36:41 it's nearly impossible to service Jun 21 01:37:28 Theyve changed the batt the first one was sortcircuited Jun 21 01:37:41 Sweet, chapter on background apps in Rough Cuts Jun 21 01:38:31 hey, suggestion for http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons: make sure you leave twitter as the last entry on step 3. I haven't been able to figure out why yet, but it ties to the laste entry Jun 21 01:39:17 Any phone is ugly broken down Jun 21 01:39:18 imop45: just rsync with proper arguments would probably work, I think. I'll be delving into that later before I go try to boot self-built linux :) Jun 21 01:39:51 djb:i have no idea what any of that meant... Jun 21 01:39:52 imop, not true .. the pre is just terrible broken down Jun 21 01:41:00 sigh Jun 21 01:41:03 PreGame: is una-send something you can call via the javascript api? can you also just stop LunaSysMgr using the command? Jun 21 01:42:14 http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/06/palm-pre-teardown-complete-1.jpg Jun 21 01:42:46 wait Jun 21 01:42:47 THats about the same as the centro.. And i could even do that. Point is, its repairable if they wanted to Jun 21 01:42:49 it may have worked Jun 21 01:42:56 Sent: 'peer0_44' Jun 21 01:42:56 Got: '\xad\xfb\xca\xde\x01\x00\x00\x00\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00t' Jun 21 01:42:56 Expected: '\xad\xfb\xca\xde\x01\x00\x00\x00\x01\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00i' Jun 21 01:42:59 is that the stuff? Jun 21 01:43:04 Dark1: yes!!!! Jun 21 01:43:07 that's it! Jun 21 01:43:08 yay! Jun 21 01:43:10 weird Jun 21 01:43:13 what'd you have to do? Jun 21 01:43:13 i turned back ON my firewall Jun 21 01:43:20 then allowed python and novacomd to connect Jun 21 01:43:24 when it asked Jun 21 01:43:28 weird Jun 21 01:43:37 I guess Comodo was still lurking in the background Jun 21 01:43:44 yup, sounds like it Jun 21 01:43:50 "for your protection" Jun 21 01:44:12 A preferences application? Jun 21 01:44:28 Dark1: now get your ass in there and install SSH lol Jun 21 01:44:30 comodo ? Jun 21 01:45:06 bpadalino: his antivirus Jun 21 01:45:11 oh Jun 21 01:45:14 very lame Jun 21 01:45:17 i'm in! Jun 21 01:45:17 yay Jun 21 01:45:25 thx for your help flare Jun 21 01:45:28 Dark1: grats man Jun 21 01:45:34 wow, and i'm chopped liver ? Jun 21 01:45:35 :( Jun 21 01:45:39 Dark1: bah, I'm a freakin' parrot, thank the room Jun 21 01:45:39 and bpadalino :) Jun 21 01:45:43 thx to all Jun 21 01:45:55 all I do is listen and repeat lol Jun 21 01:46:06 anybody know a quick/easy way to make the wiki viewable offline Jun 21 01:46:06 might be worth a note in the wiki, or maybe my setup was unique. but turning OFF comodo firewall apparently just turns it into ninja non-pre rooter Jun 21 01:46:12 i figured out something Jun 21 01:46:18 recursive grep on the pre is SLOW Jun 21 01:46:34 headed somewhere with no inet access, but I want to use the wiki to finish working with my pre Jun 21 01:46:49 Dark1: lol, I think it's too unique of a case; most antiviruses play by rules ;) Jun 21 01:47:10 You could save the page to workk offline Jun 21 01:47:11 tiv: look for a site ripper Jun 21 01:47:23 imop45: not sure that'll get all of the current content Jun 21 01:47:35 tiv: but having said what I just said; you probably DON'T want to do that Jun 21 01:47:43 these guys are updating pages constantly Jun 21 01:47:44 well Jun 21 01:47:47 yeah Jun 21 01:48:00 its cool, my first idea, save each page..."save as..." Jun 21 01:48:05 just was hoping it was a quicker/easier way Jun 21 01:48:24 and just last night I used instructions that broke my sudo/ssh that were fixed moments afterwards. Jun 21 01:48:37 i still have issues with my sudo access Jun 21 01:48:54 fair enough :) Jun 21 01:49:36 tiv, what's up? Jun 21 01:51:26 Pregame: you got teh flashlight working yet? Jun 21 01:51:58 my sudo folder wasn't written properly Jun 21 01:52:10 so my username doesn't have root access properly Jun 21 01:52:19 but I have to go offline now, talk to you guys later/tomorrow Jun 21 01:52:21 are you comfortable with vi? Jun 21 01:52:23 have ag reat weekend Jun 21 01:52:31 adios, you too :) Jun 21 01:52:37 yeah, I've gotten familiar with vi & trying to edit the file manually Jun 21 01:52:44 but I rm'd the folder like a jackass Jun 21 01:52:48 LOL Jun 21 01:52:51 that makes it rough :) Jun 21 01:52:52 So i dont know if i should just start from scratch or re do it Jun 21 01:53:08 but I wans't sure how to reset back to the beginning, or just do the sudo folder Jun 21 01:53:10 same thing :) reinstall sudo, follow the steps again :) Jun 21 01:53:11 file Jun 21 01:53:14 seems like doing the sudo would be easier Jun 21 01:53:20 everything works Jun 21 01:53:24 ssh'd Jun 21 01:53:26 & novaterm Jun 21 01:53:26 yeah, you might actually have to re-telnet if you can't sudo Jun 21 01:53:34 but just when trying to do changes as my user Jun 21 01:53:38 i don't have sudo/root Jun 21 01:53:40 'cause you can't ssh as root Jun 21 01:53:45 Why is the pre so damn sharp? Jun 21 01:53:48 excatly Jun 21 01:53:56 * tiv *sighs* and closes laptop lid Jun 21 01:53:58 imop45: think swiss army knife Jun 21 01:54:38 Any idea when/if we can expect a yahoo IM client Jun 21 01:55:03 Bsims: well, how far are yah from finishing it? Jun 21 01:55:10 to quote a palm dev who used to talk in here - "20 minutes into the future" Jun 21 01:55:56 Yea, and we can have shoes that are swiss army knives, but i rather like my feet in one piece. Jun 21 01:56:09 I have a shoe that's a phone Jun 21 01:56:18 cross your fingers that com.palm.vm/launch is an accessible service Jun 21 01:56:23 Bsims: I think they included libpurple which means anything pidgin supports should probably be pretty easy to make work. Or you can probably use one of the web-based multi-im services. Or dfbterm + ssh to something running an irc client + bitlbee. Jun 21 01:56:32 it's hard to type with crossed fingers Jun 21 01:56:44 I have a cut on my hand and the pre has been digging into it. Jun 21 01:56:49 nn itys noted Jun 21 01:56:54 oh nvm Jun 21 01:57:03 :) Jun 21 01:57:03 I feel like taking to to my shop and grinding it down Jun 21 01:57:21 some polishing sandpaper should smooth it right out .. Jun 21 01:57:24 imop45: I smell law suit... please don't, though, I need Palm to stick around Jun 21 01:57:36 ok Jun 21 01:57:40 flashlight app is done Jun 21 01:57:47 awesome Jun 21 01:57:54 but i am still working on getting it to work without shell script Jun 21 01:58:08 just having an issue but want to release something for people to use Jun 21 01:58:11 dang Jun 21 01:58:22 i got a permission denied Jun 21 01:58:30 i don't know how to release it though. do we have a tutorial for making an installer? Jun 21 01:58:38 no Jun 21 01:58:44 we have a tut for installing apps Jun 21 01:58:47 on a rooted pre Jun 21 01:59:00 djbclark: patches for libpurple and their wrapper are on the site Jun 21 01:59:00 well i will have to make a readme then Jun 21 01:59:10 i will have to do it later tonight i have to go to a party Jun 21 01:59:33 tmzt: sweet Jun 21 01:59:58 tmzt: link? Jun 21 02:00:11 PreGame: Yeah ipkg installs from web. There's a wiki for it just a sec I'll get it for you Jun 21 02:00:12 opensource.palm.com Jun 21 02:00:21 oh that site :) Jun 21 02:01:12 Yeah sue for not giving warning labels. "Warning: Sliding Palm Pre open might result in injury and/or fatalities. In rare cases ampuatation/decapitation may occur." Jun 21 02:01:21 Pregame: http://predev.wikidot.com/installing-apps-without-rooting there's info on the bottom. Jun 21 02:02:34 come on imop my 8 month old plays with and chews on my pre no blood yet. Jun 21 02:02:51 sweet thanks Kaerey Jun 21 02:03:14 my 5month old loves moving the cards around. Someone needs to make a program to draw on the screen so I can let him go to town Jun 21 02:03:21 Yeah but an 8 month old could dull broken glass by chewing on it Jun 21 02:04:03 Its ok if your hands are fine, bit i injured mine and damn it hurts Jun 21 02:07:44 I Just succesfully attached to my pre using Vista 32 and Novaproxy.py Jun 21 02:08:04 yay Jun 21 02:08:06 So they wiki should say XP and Vista 32 bit Jun 21 02:08:11 yup Jun 21 02:08:13 very cool Jun 21 02:08:31 No I'm on Vista 64bit Jun 21 02:08:34 I figured it might; I've seen a few apps that freak out on 64 but not on 32 Jun 21 02:08:36 I did it from this machine Jun 21 02:08:38 I know I have been unable to get Windows 7 to work but I am running 64 bit. has anybody tried 7 32 bit Jun 21 02:08:53 Kaerey: you were able to run talk.py on 64? Jun 21 02:08:57 Yeah Jun 21 02:08:59 okay so XP and vista 32 bit and 64 bit work? Jun 21 02:09:15 I installed the x64 novacom driver not the x86 like a smart person Jun 21 02:09:40 I also tried the 64 bit driver on windows 7 but still no Joy! Jun 21 02:09:41 ... I was not able to do it; kept getting a Python error 'cause it couldn't find a device to connect to Jun 21 02:09:59 Kaerey: yup, tried 64 bit first, and the x86 a few times too. Jun 21 02:10:04 grats Jun 21 02:10:35 You have to install the Novacom driver first without any pre connected. And I believe it helps if you reboot once after connecting the pre Jun 21 02:10:37 Kaerey: I wish I knew what you did to make it work... Jun 21 02:11:18 I never tried rebooting post-driver with the Pre attached.. Jun 21 02:12:07 After vista finds the pre driver I think it needs a reboot to finish. I got some kind of warning. Jun 21 02:13:15 okay so who is working on universal email search? :) Jun 21 02:13:16 siegelas: I'm going to try that in a second actually Jun 21 02:13:36 hopefully Palm? seriously. Jun 21 02:14:23 Apple just released some of that functionality after a year+. I am not going to wait that damn long! Jun 21 02:16:57 ok, so, install driver, connect pre, reboot? Jun 21 02:17:16 I would install driver reboot Jun 21 02:17:22 connect pre Jun 21 02:17:28 load your script Jun 21 02:17:39 aight, I'll try that first Jun 21 02:17:39 hack the planet Jun 21 02:17:45 if no love, reboot with pre attached Jun 21 02:17:45 bpadalino: only idea i got is an event.d script to start it manually Jun 21 02:18:05 in that order (and yeah how awesome was it that hackers was on the night people got the pre rooted for the first time Jun 21 02:18:50 Kaerey: not just awesome. It will be Palms salvation. The community will get things done Palm can't or won't Jun 21 02:21:15 flare: are you using 32 or 64 bit Jun 21 02:21:19 aighty, lets see if vista64 is gonna play nice Jun 21 02:21:24 64 Jun 21 02:21:31 did you install the 64 bit novacom driver Jun 21 02:21:44 yup, just got done reinstalling that and python Jun 21 02:22:08 now it's reboot time, and then, hopefully, the plant shall be h4x0r3d Jun 21 02:22:48 be back if the programming gods allow. Jun 21 02:33:21 flare isn't back yet... can't be good Jun 21 02:34:52 nope, no love Jun 21 02:36:14 installed driver, restart, connect pre, "invalid literal for int() with base 10:" Jun 21 02:36:29 restart machine with pre attached, same error once computer came back Jun 21 02:37:37 talk or novaproxy Jun 21 02:37:39 Kaerey: any special steps you had to do? Jun 21 02:37:41 talk Jun 21 02:37:53 are you using talk or novaproxy? Jun 21 02:38:03 flare576 Jun 21 02:38:09 umm Jun 21 02:38:12 try novaproxy Jun 21 02:38:23 kearey what version of windows? Jun 21 02:38:24 O.o Jun 21 02:38:39 I'm on Vista 64bit Jun 21 02:38:59 same here Jun 21 02:39:13 yeah use novaproxy Jun 21 02:39:16 Home premium Jun 21 02:39:16 sieglas, I've tried w7-32. no luck. Jun 21 02:39:25 Ultimate here Jun 21 02:39:25 I just got the same error with vista and talk. Try the novaproxy Jun 21 02:39:30 I have never heard of anyone getting talk to work on Vista Jun 21 02:39:32 sieglas, how did vista32 fair? Jun 21 02:39:41 ah. Jun 21 02:39:44 novaproxy? link? Jun 21 02:39:50 google.com Jun 21 02:39:52 :) Jun 21 02:40:40 am i the only one with crazy lag in ssh shells even over wifi? i havnt seen it mentioned anywere. Jun 21 02:41:24 could have just pointed me at http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 21 02:41:29 but I found it, thanks Jun 21 02:41:31 how crazy Jun 21 02:41:34 takes about a second Jun 21 02:41:49 >.> Jun 21 02:42:00 Dude I just edited the instructions Jun 21 02:42:04 also this does work on Vista Jun 21 02:42:08 it's just a pain Jun 21 02:42:09 -.- Jun 21 02:42:10 pretty bad, whats even funnier is that if im using evdo instead of wifi i have noticably less lag Jun 21 02:42:55 if i keep typing its ok cause obviously its buffered but even over wifi i see sometimes 3 sec lagtime Jun 21 02:43:14 lol Jun 21 02:43:33 i remote into my webserver all the time over wifi and have never had this much hangtime lol. Jun 21 02:44:01 why can't novaproxy.py be included at subversion repository Jun 21 02:44:02 novacomd couldn't find your Pre. Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode, and try again. If you continue to receive this message, please seek help via IRC at #webos-internals on irc.freenode.net. Jun 21 02:44:04 wondering wth i can tweak to try to reduce it. Jun 21 02:44:17 Binarytech: you enable cpu scaling Jun 21 02:44:20 hey, i have an odd problem... putty reads my arrow keys as ^[[A Jun 21 02:44:23 flare576 Vista is picky Jun 21 02:44:25 >.> Jun 21 02:44:31 Do you have an XP machine Jun 21 02:44:46 Tilton53: yeah, I noticed. I've already rooted mine, I'm trying to help get instructions for Vista Jun 21 02:44:49 i havnt enabled it no, or were you suggesting i do enable it? Jun 21 02:45:02 Tilton53: We were just trying to verify that Vista works and get some conrete instructions Jun 21 02:45:20 no, there were reports of lagginess with it enabled and misconfigured tho Jun 21 02:45:43 flare576, siegelas Jun 21 02:45:45 so, siegelas, you got Vista32 to work, Kaerey got Vista64 Home Premium to work Jun 21 02:45:51 Vista is kind of Random Jun 21 02:45:52 XD Jun 21 02:45:59 Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't Jun 21 02:45:59 and I still can't get Vista64 Ultimate work Jun 21 02:46:03 vista works with what? Jun 21 02:46:13 the 64 bit is normally that it install the 32 bit drivers Jun 21 02:46:14 >.> Jun 21 02:46:15 yea i havnt touched overclocking. theirs gotta be something i'm overlooking Jun 21 02:46:29 flare576 MAKE sure it installed the 64bit drivers Jun 21 02:46:30 -.- Jun 21 02:46:35 I did, yup Jun 21 02:46:38 I've tried with both Jun 21 02:46:51 I wonder if it is the Ultimate piece? There may be some kind of issue with media center. Jun 21 02:46:51 you know, just inc ase Jun 21 02:47:02 is your firewall off Jun 21 02:47:14 XD Jun 21 02:47:19 I am running vista64 ultimate on my desktop, what are we trying to figure out? Jun 21 02:47:25 siegelas: yup, no firewall Jun 21 02:47:25 Dude we need to just get this working under Linux Jun 21 02:47:32 and then release a vmware player image Jun 21 02:47:36 :p Jun 21 02:47:41 Mdklien did you root your pre with it? Jun 21 02:48:17 using the novaproxy method... Jun 21 02:48:30 Tilton53: as soon as they release Linux drivers, we'll rock and roll Jun 21 02:48:39 may the pre be 'used' on windows 7 if its already been rooted? Jun 21 02:48:39 :D Jun 21 02:48:47 yes dk0r Jun 21 02:48:53 you can use a pre with windows 7 Jun 21 02:49:00 ah. so its only a matter of getting to an xp machine to root. Jun 21 02:49:02 you just can't root it on win7 Jun 21 02:49:05 Yup Jun 21 02:49:07 :D Jun 21 02:49:08 if by "used" you mean anything thats not related to novacom, then yes Jun 21 02:49:16 so once i root my pre, i should turn off the dev mode? or just leave it on Jun 21 02:49:21 mdklein: I can't get novaproxy to see the pre :( Jun 21 02:49:25 off Jun 21 02:49:26 o.o Jun 21 02:49:41 Dark1 make sure you install an SSH server Jun 21 02:49:47 and that it works Jun 21 02:49:49 right, got dropbear running per wiki Jun 21 02:49:52 logged into it via ssh now Jun 21 02:49:58 afterwards turn off dev mode Jun 21 02:50:00 ShinAli, the purpose of novacom is for modem-esque functions? Jun 21 02:50:01 rgr, thx Jun 21 02:50:04 or reboot your pre Jun 21 02:50:05 XD Jun 21 02:50:08 Ethier way works Jun 21 02:50:10 rebooting turns it off? Jun 21 02:50:18 yes Jun 21 02:50:21 i installed 1.0.3 after anyway Jun 21 02:50:23 coo Jun 21 02:50:24 thx Jun 21 02:50:25 Tilton53, no Jun 21 02:50:37 Dark1: turns off the Telnet stuff, doesn't turn off dev mode, just fyi Jun 21 02:50:40 i've enabled dev-mode, and rebooted several times to find dev-mode is still enabled. Jun 21 02:50:43 :/ Jun 21 02:50:45 ah, yes. Jun 21 02:50:48 dk0r: the purpose is for servicing and a debugging/developer tool Jun 21 02:50:48 Wtf that confusing Jun 21 02:50:49 k, so should i konami it and turn it off? Jun 21 02:50:51 sorry about that Jun 21 02:50:52 >.> Jun 21 02:51:02 Dark1: yup, you need to re-Konami Jun 21 02:51:06 coo Jun 21 02:51:12 sorry that was my bad Jun 21 02:51:16 or unhide the app Jun 21 02:51:30 ShinAli, ah ok. so once rooted the pre may be used via vista/w7 for unsaid purposes? Jun 21 02:51:51 yes Jun 21 02:51:56 yeah Jun 21 02:51:57 mdklein: did you have to do anything special for Vista64 Ultimate? Jun 21 02:51:59 you just can't use novacom on win7 Jun 21 02:52:17 ok, unfamiliar w/ novacom thus my inquiry. thanks! Jun 21 02:52:28 Flare: what does your device look like under device drivers disk drives Jun 21 02:53:01 Palm Novacom Modules -> Palm Novacom Jun 21 02:54:21 havne't rebooted the palm for a while Jun 21 02:57:25 flare: do you also have a palm pre usb device under disk drives Jun 21 02:58:08 no, it's in charge mode Jun 21 02:58:34 so is mine but in dev mode you should still have that driver Jun 21 02:58:51 you are still in dev mode? Jun 21 02:59:02 yup Jun 21 02:59:34 I do not see it as a drive Jun 21 02:59:43 flare576: not that I remember... Jun 21 02:59:53 not a drive but a driver under device manager disk drives **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 21 03:00:04 2009