**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 21 03:00:04 2009 Jun 21 03:00:34 ah, yes, under Disk Drives, I see "Palm Pre USB Device" Jun 21 03:01:47 I fudged up "opt-ware dropbear" and i cannot connect. I know I know back up back up. anyway i used novaproxy to get root and the arrow keys don't work so i can't edit the file again. Jun 21 03:02:13 ^[[abcd all day Jun 21 03:02:17 well.... Jun 21 03:02:20 you can cheat I think Jun 21 03:02:22 lol Jun 21 03:02:29 you're through a command prompt? or putty? Jun 21 03:02:36 putty Jun 21 03:03:03 mv opt-ware dropbear opt-ware dropbear.bkp Jun 21 03:03:29 cat > opt-ware dropbear Jun 21 03:03:43 then type the contents you need (or copy from webpage, right-click) Jun 21 03:04:30 ok let me try Jun 21 03:04:36 wizard: go into change settings, terminal and turn local echo and local line editing to force off Jun 21 03:05:44 Flare: I don't know what to say. I am going to install vista Ultimate later just to see if that works differently. Jun 21 03:06:17 aighty. I'm outa ideas, which is why I switched to an XP box for both my and my wife's pre Jun 21 03:06:49 I just use a vmware xp for testing playing and rooting. I have windows 7 and after 30 min I gave up on that noise Jun 21 03:06:51 it's amusing that emailing links to ipk files works for installing .. heh Jun 21 03:08:12 bpadalino: I haven't been watching the page; does it work for unsigned packages? Jun 21 03:08:50 can u upload unsigned packages automatically? Jun 21 03:08:53 i am not sure Jun 21 03:09:07 siegelas: keys don't function at all that way Jun 21 03:09:08 cause that will get scary Jun 21 03:10:21 wellllllll, I'm out guys, I'll be more than happy to try ideas on 64 Ultimate if they come up :) Jun 21 03:10:34 but I gotta take care of some house crap :( Jun 21 03:12:02 Wizard: no keys of anykind even cd / Jun 21 03:13:03 have you guys checked out the source for webOS yet? Jun 21 03:18:20 no just the arrow keys Jun 21 03:18:46 some functions keys as well. i just reinstalled dropbear Jun 21 03:18:55 still no love Jun 21 03:20:12 initctl start give me a status 2? Jun 21 03:21:04 clicking the link to an ipk in an email downloads it to /media/internal/downloads Jun 21 03:24:46 Sorry im just retarded. skipping steps and then asking for help :0| Jun 21 03:26:06 hey Jun 21 03:26:11 anyone find good settings for cpu scaling Jun 21 03:26:22 600000 max with 30 threshold is a little flickery and anoying Jun 21 03:26:34 anyone have any sugestions to imporve this so it doesnt flicker Jun 21 03:26:34 ? Jun 21 03:26:50 no Jun 21 03:27:16 also does anyone have any resoultions to the phone sometimes not turning on from sleep for a few seconds after hitting the power button? Jun 21 03:27:38 when i remove "-i eth0" from dropbear it locks me out Jun 21 03:28:19 dug Wizard_ Jun 21 03:28:23 duh* Jun 21 03:28:27 that's the wifi interface Jun 21 03:28:29 -.- Jun 21 03:29:26 it says and i quote " # Remobe the "-i eth0" on both of the following lines to enable ssh access over evdo" Jun 21 03:29:30 remove* Jun 21 03:29:59 Wizard_, is your evdo accessible over ssh? ie did you open those ips in iptables? Jun 21 03:30:38 i followed the tutorial. so if its not in there-- no Jun 21 03:30:52 doesn't look like its there. Jun 21 03:31:09 i guess this one isn't a turnkey tutorial lol Jun 21 03:31:44 well it does explain wifi details :) Jun 21 03:31:57 evdo ssh is slow sure you want to disable eth0? Jun 21 03:32:10 i can't have both? Jun 21 03:32:31 sure Jun 21 03:32:51 you can have both, weren't you intentionally disabling wifi? ie eth0? Jun 21 03:33:33 no... it says that to enable both to remove -i eth0... so that locked me out for whatever reason. I just want to enable both Jun 21 03:34:34 any ideas? Jun 21 03:39:09 removing -i eth0 should make it listen on all interfaces, shouldn't it? Jun 21 03:39:33 anyone changed the boot splash screen logos? Jun 21 03:39:49 -i eth0 is only a restriction Jun 21 03:40:05 so why the lock out? Jun 21 03:40:42 not sure, could you have somehow committed a typo so that it doesn't start/ Jun 21 03:40:44 ? Jun 21 03:41:10 yea tru. let me try again. Jun 21 03:41:21 I'd probably try novacom shell and starting it manually with the command line you have in the file and see if it starts manually Jun 21 03:41:37 or telnet if you still have telnet Jun 21 03:44:27 bpadalino: it's possible that browsing to ipk files will work too, if we can figure out the right mime type Jun 21 03:44:36 err Content-Type: Jun 21 03:44:40 cool charts Jun 21 03:44:40 http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3587 Jun 21 03:44:46 destinal: very cool Jun 21 03:45:32 anyone tried strings'ing the browser to see if any content types show up? I guess I could get on that.. :) Jun 21 03:46:54 yes, get on it Jun 21 03:50:37 who knows what evil lurks in the heart of webos? Jun 21 03:51:38 do you know if anyone's determined whether the emailed ipks have to be signed, and if so if they have to be signed with palm's key specifically? Jun 21 03:53:17 it would be cool if they didn't in some ways, but it would also make evil trojans possible against those who click OK on anything Jun 21 03:54:27 Anyone know what service controls all the audio? Jun 21 03:55:35 I was reading the warning from the engaget and other sites about sprint announcing to palm to halt all discussion of tethering of forums and irc channels, is this why that is within the topic Jun 21 03:56:00 I was just curios Jun 21 03:56:14 proto that has been the rule here pretty much since day one Jun 21 03:56:16 destinal: have you checked to see if ipkg even supports checking per-package signatures? opkg (the successor to ipkg) support signed feeds, but I don't think individual packages. I'm not finding doc that ipkg supports any kind of digital signatures at all yet. Jun 21 03:56:50 Phrozen: com.palm.audio ? Jun 21 03:57:03 k' im working on getting samba up, and it killed my audio :( Jun 21 03:57:13 :1.2 (busname=com.palm.audio pid=1103 procname=/usr/sbin/audiod) Jun 21 03:57:19 destinal: in any case I just set up cross-compile toolchain for ipkg, so I can email you some random package if you want to give me your email address. Jun 21 03:57:33 destinal: s/ipkg/optware/g Jun 21 03:57:40 bpda: yeah i just saw that process, something must of been modified by Samba's install now to narrow it down :( Jun 21 04:05:22 another cool feature to obtain root on webos through ssh Jun 21 04:05:30 sudo /bin/sh Jun 21 04:06:01 no Jun 21 04:06:07 should be using su Jun 21 04:06:25 su - Jun 21 04:07:08 su: must be suid to work properly Jun 21 04:10:07 So if we can install arbitrary .ipk files via email, that's another route to rooting the pre, no? Unless the WebOS .ipk files are installed as nonroot that is... Jun 21 04:10:11 sudo su - Jun 21 04:10:37 thats also a go Jun 21 04:10:50 sudo su works too Jun 21 04:11:42 nothing new, standard unix Jun 21 04:12:03 anybody seen where you enter into USB drive mode and after 5 seconds it exits that mode shows the phone reconnecting to all the networks and just charges? Jun 21 04:12:06 sudo -i? Jun 21 04:13:45 is there a log for ipkg's installs? Jun 21 04:13:52 has anybody tried installing httpd daemon on the pre yet Jun 21 04:15:05 Phrozen: look on the wiki on 1.0.3 update Jun 21 04:15:10 k' Jun 21 04:15:18 i heard somebody installed one of the webservers... but when i tried, i had problems... but i'm not good with linux yet Jun 21 04:15:33 would definitly kill the battery Jun 21 04:15:58 what about mysql Jun 21 04:16:32 not sure... but i don't see why not... most of the configs are all sqlite i think Jun 21 04:16:34 sqlite is already used throughout the phone Jun 21 04:16:37 Robi-: i was looking for what ipkg actually installs... after i got Samba running i lost all audio so i'm trying to hunt down what could be playing with it. Jun 21 04:17:01 cifs mounting Jun 21 04:17:11 thats not a bad idea Jun 21 04:17:43 however i could just use scp Jun 21 04:17:47 anyone having good expeirence with cpu scaling Jun 21 04:17:52 i seem to have some flickering issues Jun 21 04:18:04 does anyone have any good settings that they know do not have the flickering Jun 21 04:18:05 scp im sure works pretty well Jun 21 04:18:12 instead of samba Jun 21 04:18:13 also does anyone know the cause of the flickering? Jun 21 04:19:12 Phrozen: ipkg.conf doesn't have a log file set Jun 21 04:19:44 so there is no real record of whats installed and where its installed, or overwritten? Jun 21 04:19:57 other then of course in the pkg Jun 21 04:21:11 i'm using sftp (winscp), but i get access denied while trying to change anything but my home folder, how get i get write access to everything else? Jun 21 04:21:21 am I aloud to post an image that was made by palm but I modifed? Jun 21 04:21:25 modified* Jun 21 04:21:40 nothing in var/log Jun 21 04:22:04 there is a page on the wiki about changing the fstab to allow access writing to /media/internal Jun 21 04:23:03 what if i want to write to other directories like /usr/palm etc? Jun 21 04:23:19 if i have to move the files via command line every time that is super lame... Jun 21 04:23:22 did you log into putty as well and mount -o remount,rw / Jun 21 04:23:38 yes Jun 21 04:23:46 and change the sftp environment settings to include sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server Jun 21 04:23:53 Robi: nothing in here i can find Jun 21 04:24:02 i can write to /var/home/username Jun 21 04:24:18 and karey i think so it was on the wiki right? Jun 21 04:24:33 *kaerey Jun 21 04:26:32 is anyone able to write to other directories or is it just not possible at this point via sftp? Jun 21 04:26:50 ditto Jun 21 04:27:34 jclusso: I'd try using conservative if you haven't yet, and also google for beagleboard cpu scaling video (same processor) Jun 21 04:28:32 jclusso: you bump up the cpu? Jun 21 04:28:37 I use Nautilus and I am only able to write to /media/internal Jun 21 04:30:50 it would be awesome to have write permissions everywhere so you can just edit a file and see your changes on the file without having to go copy it via command line... does the samba method give write access? Jun 21 04:31:27 ssh in and write anywhere Jun 21 04:31:37 * djbclark notes that nfs client seems to be enabled in the pre linux build, and goes to look at setting up pre dev on pre chroot, because cross compiling is annoying... Jun 21 04:32:28 any one having problems with the pre shutting its self off all the time when its idle? Jun 21 04:32:58 has anyone looked into the accelerometer api? Jun 21 04:33:21 Noahbody: you need to leave it plugged into USB power when you are ssh-ed into it by default. there may be some way to disable the idele, but haven't looked into it yet. Jun 21 04:33:22 robi - that's the point, ssh is not exactly the most efficient way to modify stuff and move files around Jun 21 04:33:33 Noahbody: you mean is it going to sleep? make sure its plugged in. Jun 21 04:33:35 its not rooted Jun 21 04:33:47 i am on vista 64 so i cant do it Jun 21 04:33:51 i think there is something on the wiki about it not going to sleep... but i just play music and it stays awake :) Jun 21 04:34:05 * djbclark has also noticed that after initctl stop / initctl start of LunaSysMgr usb drive mode coneects for a few seconds and then disconnects (restarting fixes) Jun 21 04:34:14 this is a plain out of the box pre Jun 21 04:34:46 Noahbody: we may have a no-second-computer-needed rooting method shortly. Jun 21 04:34:54 and when i unplug it from the charger it shuts down too Jun 21 04:35:37 that would be nice djbclark Jun 21 04:35:38 Noahbody, I am on vista 64 and I did it Jun 21 04:35:44 Noahbody: define shuts down Jun 21 04:35:52 powers off Jun 21 04:35:56 the screen Jun 21 04:36:00 yes Jun 21 04:36:07 yes its set by default for 1 minute Jun 21 04:36:17 have to hit the power key and it has to boot itself Jun 21 04:36:34 oh it has to bootup again with the palm thing showing Jun 21 04:36:41 yes Jun 21 04:36:50 that sounds like a defective pre... Jun 21 04:37:00 figures lol Jun 21 04:37:15 you can try hard reseting it Jun 21 04:37:35 just returned a palm pro that i had to do a hard reset sometimes several times a day Jun 21 04:37:38 and now this lol Jun 21 04:37:50 maybe i should go back to my moto q Jun 21 04:37:54 Go to the launcher, last page, device info, reset options on the bottom Jun 21 04:38:18 i havn't come accross anybody with the same prob as you, so it sounds like its a unique problem Jun 21 04:38:25 shit i just booted it when i said something now i have to do it all over again Jun 21 04:38:49 doing a reset on it Jun 21 04:38:54 once it boots back up Jun 21 04:39:13 yes, do the Full Erase, make sure you don't have anything on there important Jun 21 04:39:26 have had to boot it up many many times today Jun 21 04:39:45 just got this monday night and dont really have anything on it Jun 21 04:39:50 good Jun 21 04:40:06 noahbody have you check if the battery might be coming loose? i know some people had problems with that and had to wedge something in on top of the batt to keep it from coming loose Jun 21 04:40:15 hmm good point Jun 21 04:40:20 no i have not Jun 21 04:40:22 forgot about that issue Jun 21 04:40:59 here is the link: http://palmwebos.org/2009/06/09/palm-pre-crashing-problem-battery-at-fault/ Jun 21 04:41:29 yeah, i just got a pre today and had to do the same Jun 21 04:41:49 wedged a piece of that orage corrugated paper packaging above the battery Jun 21 04:41:53 orange* Jun 21 04:42:28 interesting, i've dropped mine on the floor from like 5 feet in the air several times and never had a single problem, so it must just be a defect with some models Jun 21 04:42:37 ya I remember the macgyver solution http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution Jun 21 04:42:56 is that a pull tab on the battery to remove it? Jun 21 04:43:04 yes Jun 21 04:43:06 ok Jun 21 04:43:14 didnt want to break something Jun 21 04:43:53 so where is there a speedtest that works on the pre Jun 21 04:43:59 speedtest.net doesn't seem to; i guess it's flash Jun 21 04:44:13 dslreports.com/stest Jun 21 04:44:18 the iphone browser test works great Jun 21 04:44:22 thx Jun 21 04:44:29 should I use dropbear or openssh on windows7-32. I'm unfamiliar w/ either app. Jun 21 04:44:37 Help! I turned my LED on and cant get it to turn off! Jun 21 04:44:56 I used the turn torch on script from http://predev.wikidot.com/torch-flash, but the turn off script does nothing! Jun 21 04:45:16 anyone else have a problem here? Jun 21 04:45:25 Wonder420: even shutdown -r now doesn't help? Jun 21 04:45:38 lemme test Jun 21 04:45:43 ok lets see if this fixes it Jun 21 04:46:58 shutdown -r : -sh: shutdown: not found Jun 21 04:47:07 be root Jun 21 04:47:07 if anyone is looking for some good camera images with css modification I posted it up on precentral Jun 21 04:47:08 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187879-camera-timer-delay-modification-images.html Jun 21 04:47:11 path to /sbin Jun 21 04:47:37 same when i do shutdown with root Jun 21 04:47:54 it fixes the control panel bar in the camera so that both camera buttons fit. Also there is a nice camera button for the delayed button so that you can easily distinguish Jun 21 04:48:53 I was digging around for accelerometer related stuff and noticed two things (functions??) called shakeState and shakeMagnitude. Has anyone had success using these? Jun 21 04:48:54 the LED stays on after a revoot Jun 21 04:49:15 you uploaded a png to rapidshare? Jun 21 04:49:39 dark1 i was thinking the same thing lol Jun 21 04:49:41 crap -- my LED is stuck in permanent on mode now --- anyone else try the LED Torch script? Jun 21 04:49:41 Wonder420: use the commands in ssh to turn it off Jun 21 04:50:07 yup, I am SSH'd in and in sudo -i to do root Jun 21 04:50:26 Wonder420: Yes, I have used them and it turns off and on with no problem Jun 21 04:50:33 why does sudo have to be used? Jun 21 04:50:40 cant just su? Jun 21 04:50:47 then recheck your speling :P Jun 21 04:51:12 shutdown: time expected Jun 21 04:51:41 /sbin/shutdown -r now Jun 21 04:52:01 if i remember correctly Jun 21 04:52:10 when you su you get "must be suid to work properly" - not sure why, someone here probably does... Jun 21 04:52:10 i think that worked --- thx! Jun 21 04:52:41 So anyone figure out the benefits of 1.0.3 yet? Jun 21 04:52:49 or does reboot work on it? Jun 21 04:52:55 instead of shutdown? Jun 21 04:53:12 reboot works Jun 21 04:53:19 anyone have any idea why the pre takes forever to reboot Jun 21 04:53:20 not that mine is rooted but just so i know in case i ever do get it rooted Jun 21 04:53:26 and start / shutdown Jun 21 04:53:31 that definitly needs to be fixed Jun 21 04:53:31 it stayed on during reboot, but shut off after a full power down Jun 21 04:53:52 ok Jun 21 04:55:26 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch {\"id\":\"com.palm.app.camera\"} Jun 21 04:55:39 but how to modify that so that it will trigger a camera snap Jun 21 04:55:45 any ideas? Jun 21 04:56:18 jclusso: how often are you having to reboot it though? Jun 21 04:58:16 been 10 minutes and it still on :) Jun 21 04:58:30 paper in the battery seems to have worked Jun 21 04:58:45 PAPER? Jun 21 04:58:50 yeah Jun 21 04:59:02 well now I dont have to reboot cause the new command someone found that makes it simple to change apps Jun 21 04:59:02 What paper? Jun 21 04:59:03 thank you macguyver! Jun 21 04:59:13 [11:42] (electrofreak66) ya I remember the macgyver solution http://www.precentral.net/slider-crashes-inspire-macgyver-solution Jun 21 04:59:14 but before that every time you changed an app so it was really anoying Jun 21 04:59:34 what's this new command u speak of? Jun 21 04:59:44 Hey, i think i stumbled upon a download manager for the browser Jun 21 05:00:19 like... with stumbleupon? Jun 21 05:00:26 the new command is luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 21 05:00:57 Nope, with ubuntu and going through the webos resources Jun 21 05:01:29 test it out and let us know how it goes! Jun 21 05:01:47 how about a Pre IRC Client? Jun 21 05:02:20 yea! Jun 21 05:02:34 DownloadItem = {}; Jun 21 05:02:34 /** Jun 21 05:02:34 * Contains information for the item being currently downloaded via the Jun 21 05:02:34 * download manager. Jun 21 05:02:52 Has anyone seen this? Jun 21 05:03:01 if you have a cli on the pre should be about to install bitchx or maybe xchat Jun 21 05:03:47 Yesterday we we're talking about that a lot, how the browser has no way of downloading items Jun 21 05:03:59 Wish retry was here Jun 21 05:04:32 That punk, how dare he have a life. Anyways, what does that script mean? Jun 21 05:04:51 * showergel thinks he found his first Pre bug... Jun 21 05:04:52 Noahbody: weechat via ssh under dfbterm works fine, but lack of pgup/pgdn and a few other keys makes the experiance sort of annoying. Jun 21 05:05:04 what is it showergel? Jun 21 05:05:04 yeah Jun 21 05:05:07 showergel: whats that ? Jun 21 05:05:09 imop45_? Jun 21 05:05:12 Has anyone noticed when watching a video, the aspect ratio is wrong? Jun 21 05:05:18 Yay! Hi. Jun 21 05:05:36 I have been too busy to do much pre hacking since two days ago Jun 21 05:05:37 Everything is vertically stretched inappropriately. Jun 21 05:05:45 but there is so much I want to try now Jun 21 05:06:08 I stumbled upon this using ubuntu and the webos resources files Jun 21 05:06:28 You know how you cant download anything? I think i found a download manager Jun 21 05:06:38 no i didn't know that actually Jun 21 05:06:45 but it doesn't surprise me Jun 21 05:06:59 ...when using the same video on an iPod Touch,Sony Video Walkman NRZ series, or Windows Media Player, it looks just fine. Jun 21 05:07:00 details imop? Jun 21 05:07:13 Well a few people were talking about it yesterday. Jun 21 05:07:27 how do I connect to a rooted pre using putty in windows7 ? Jun 21 05:07:28 ipod touch has a diff screen res Jun 21 05:07:35 I know Jun 21 05:07:38 inside you see a comment: Contains information for the item being currently downloaded via the Jun 21 05:07:38 * download manager. Jun 21 05:07:42 you need to encode the vids for iphone. Jun 21 05:07:44 I have my IP's.. Jun 21 05:08:06 Wizard_: It shouldn't matter .m4v files hardcode the DAR into the stream so the player can display the file approriately Jun 21 05:08:14 dkor: you can't Jun 21 05:08:21 well... sorta cant Jun 21 05:08:22 alias lunareinit='luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}' Jun 21 05:08:24 Wizard_ oh? Jun 21 05:08:28 dk0r did you follow this: http://predev.wikidot.com/adding-the-ipkg-repository Jun 21 05:08:31 put that in your bashrc or /etc/profile.d file Jun 21 05:08:36 and you don't have to memorize it Jun 21 05:08:40 mdmogren, of course. to the tee.. Jun 21 05:08:46 tee = T* Jun 21 05:08:54 dar i'm not saying its not a bug. im just telling you how to make it work lol Jun 21 05:09:20 REtry-that code is for what? Jun 21 05:09:29 it's an alias to the rescan luna cmd Jun 21 05:09:31 Wizard_: lol, i'm so not going through re-encodes. they'll fix it and then i will have wasted all that time. Jun 21 05:09:37 then you can just type lunareinit Jun 21 05:09:38 then what happens if you try to connect via putty? do you get an erro? Jun 21 05:09:47 or name it whatever you want Jun 21 05:09:54 name it fred Jun 21 05:09:56 lol that much porn dude? Jun 21 05:09:57 mdmogren, I'm just unsure how to go about connecting. Jun 21 05:09:58 or icecream Jun 21 05:10:14 dk0r, it's like any other linux server Jun 21 05:10:16 Hmm, have no idea what your talking about so prob doesnt apply to me Jun 21 05:10:18 gotta install sshd first Jun 21 05:10:26 Wizard_: Lol yes. My entire DVD & Blu-Ray is already encoded for portables & PS3 :) Jun 21 05:10:27 either openssh or dropbear Jun 21 05:10:37 retry, dropbear has been installed on the pre. Jun 21 05:10:41 just put the ip address, port 222, choose ssh and hit open Jun 21 05:10:43 so ssh to it Jun 21 05:10:49 * showergel took extra care to make sure the DAR was being encoded in the file so this wouldn't happen Jun 21 05:10:50 mdmogren, ok. sec. Jun 21 05:11:07 i thought this chan was less about basic linux help Jun 21 05:11:08 So, does anyone know what that code in download-item.js means? About the download manager? Jun 21 05:11:11 and more about hackery Jun 21 05:11:18 isn't there #preguides for the basic stuff? Jun 21 05:11:34 mdmogren, the evdo or wifi ip ? Jun 21 05:11:39 i put a post over on Palm's forum about it.. Jun 21 05:11:39 imop, you only pasted a comment Jun 21 05:11:43 it's hard to say what it does Jun 21 05:11:49 or if it's just stub code for some future plan Jun 21 05:11:50 or what Jun 21 05:12:04 I pasted the code i thought. Here it is Jun 21 05:12:17 dk0r wifi IP, you can use evdo but wifi works much better... Jun 21 05:12:19 there has to be some sort of download capability because of the appstore Jun 21 05:12:24 here are my settings: http://i43.tinypic.com/11vmutv.png Jun 21 05:12:24 can anyone tell me what you have listed for /dev/sndstat? Jun 21 05:12:25 i don't think the appstore is using ipkg Jun 21 05:12:31 maybe it is...idk Jun 21 05:12:38 DownloadItem = Class.create({ Jun 21 05:12:38 Jun 21 05:12:38 /** Jun 21 05:12:38 * Constructor. Jun 21 05:12:38 * Jun 21 05:12:39 * @param {String} uri The resource being downloaded Jun 21 05:12:41 */ Jun 21 05:12:43 initialize: function(uri) { Jun 21 05:12:45 this.uri = uri; Jun 21 05:12:46 impo, no Jun 21 05:12:47 this.amountReceived = 0; Jun 21 05:12:47 stop Jun 21 05:12:49 this.totalSize = 0; Jun 21 05:12:50 pastebin Jun 21 05:12:50 mdmogren, k. I'll assume its the inet addr.. Jun 21 05:12:51 this.mimeType = undefined; Jun 21 05:12:53 sigh Jun 21 05:12:53 this.ticket = undefined; Jun 21 05:12:55 this.completed = false; Jun 21 05:12:56 wtf dude Jun 21 05:12:57 this.canceling = false; Jun 21 05:12:57 lol Jun 21 05:12:59 this.canceled = false; Jun 21 05:13:01 this.error = undefined; Jun 21 05:13:03 this.localFile = undefined; Jun 21 05:13:05 this.rightIcon = 'item-cancel'; Jun 21 05:13:06 e Jun 21 05:13:07 this.title = DownloadItem.generateTitle(uri); Jun 21 05:13:08 r Jun 21 05:13:11 paste bin is where? Jun 21 05:13:13 Im sorry! Jun 21 05:13:14 r Jun 21 05:13:19 haha Jun 21 05:13:21 r? Jun 21 05:13:24 o Jun 21 05:13:25 r Jun 21 05:13:27 hehe Jun 21 05:13:33 lol Jun 21 05:13:40 it's in the topic - the pastebin Jun 21 05:13:40 Yeah..sorry Jun 21 05:13:49 mdmogren, network error connecting timed out Jun 21 05:13:52 !topic Jun 21 05:14:01 !topic Jun 21 05:14:06 lol Jun 21 05:14:21 btw, im an idiot, wth do i do? ltm Jun 21 05:14:24 mdmogren, im putting in the wifi ip for eth0. inet addr:192.168.1.108! Jun 21 05:14:29 webos.pastebin.com Jun 21 05:14:30 ssh and port 222 chosen on putty Jun 21 05:15:07 can you ping that ip? Jun 21 05:15:23 trying Jun 21 05:15:34 dk0r, do you still have telnet up or novacom ? Jun 21 05:15:54 if so run this: ps aux|grep 'ssh\|dropbear' Jun 21 05:16:16 retry, unsure about novacom but i exited telnet. Jun 21 05:16:26 ok, sorry guys. Here it is: http://webos.pastebin.com/f6e15559f Jun 21 05:16:27 reconnect with telnet Jun 21 05:16:32 so you can debug this from the inside Jun 21 05:16:43 also, it might not hurt to disable the win7 firewall just to see if that makes a difference Jun 21 05:17:16 mdmogren done and done. Jun 21 05:17:39 cannot seem to telnet onto the device.. hrm. connected failed on port 23. Jun 21 05:17:58 if you've rebooted since your last telnet you need to run talk.py again... Jun 21 05:17:59 imop45_, what file is that code from? Jun 21 05:18:06 oh. ok. Jun 21 05:18:08 dk0r, did the wifi antenna power down? Jun 21 05:18:23 oh yeah if you rebooted...also if you switched dev mode off Jun 21 05:18:27 you need to switch it back on Jun 21 05:18:37 i wonder how many newbs are staying in dev mode all the time Jun 21 05:18:53 me! Jun 21 05:19:12 retry, I think it may have. Jun 21 05:19:12 retry, i'm not, but what's the problem if they are? Jun 21 05:19:17 but its currently powered on. Jun 21 05:19:19 +1 i do. i turned it off when i went to sprint Jun 21 05:19:31 so do i Jun 21 05:19:45 I'm adding a note to the ssh install wiki Jun 21 05:19:52 retry, I believe the wifi powered off, but its currently on. Jun 21 05:19:53 to turn devmode off because of the firewall wide open rule Jun 21 05:20:20 usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/models/download-item.js Jun 21 05:21:53 I was trying to see if there was a hidden feature for saving webpages for offline use and found the download thing Jun 21 05:22:51 hm Jun 21 05:23:05 ok, able to telnet back in. should I login as root or new user? Jun 21 05:23:15 I wonder if the app store uses the browser to download Jun 21 05:23:19 pinging my pre makes me wonder... why do i get a faster ping response from google.com than i do from my pre on my own network?? Jun 21 05:23:22 dk0r, do root Jun 21 05:23:33 it'll be easier to help you if I don't have to explain that some cmds are in /sbin Jun 21 05:23:33 retry: no its just a regular app Jun 21 05:23:39 Hmm.. Any way to see the process list in real time? Jun 21 05:23:43 retry, ok. done. Jun 21 05:23:44 top Jun 21 05:23:48 its google dude. Jun 21 05:23:57 dk0r, still got that ps cmd i mentioned above? Jun 21 05:24:04 ps aux|grep 'ssh\|dropbear' ? Jun 21 05:24:18 yeah Jun 21 05:24:23 paste output of that Jun 21 05:24:32 should only be 2-3 lines Jun 21 05:24:35 if it's more don't paste in chan Jun 21 05:24:36 its on diff pc. but will type. 1 sec. Jun 21 05:24:56 wizard, let me rephrase, why does every other device on my network respond in <5ms put the pre is over 100ms? Jun 21 05:25:15 hello all back for the second time (was on for the first last nite) Jun 21 05:25:29 hey i remember you Jun 21 05:25:33 sup Jun 21 05:25:49 got some more ?s :) Jun 21 05:25:49 man I love the touchstone Jun 21 05:25:50 i haven't the slightest idea. maybe some sort of security feature Jun 21 05:25:57 totally freaking cool Jun 21 05:26:09 If you can see information in realtime, then you could see if appstore uses the browser Jun 21 05:26:12 * showergel loves the touchstone too Jun 21 05:26:29 more code: http://webos.pastebin.com/f2b8f9802 Jun 21 05:26:35 im trying to add the universal searches as i was last night..well i added biblegateway, imdb and ebay and the only icons that shows out of the 3 is ebay..checked all the files and images/locations and everythings proper Jun 21 05:26:58 retry, http://pastinebin.com/d5d4e0ae0 Jun 21 05:27:00 anyone use the bodyguardz or invisibleshield? Jun 21 05:27:08 is the touchstone really worth it? what is it like 70 bux at radio shack Jun 21 05:27:28 uh Jun 21 05:27:29 pazookie: don't buy it from sprint cheaper online Jun 21 05:27:31 if you want it then yeah its worth it Jun 21 05:27:31 dk0r, that url fails Jun 21 05:27:33 try again Jun 21 05:27:42 you can find the Touchstone for $39 from precentral's store Jun 21 05:27:44 retry.. lol pastinbin Jun 21 05:27:54 retry, http://pastebin.com/d5d4e0ae0 Jun 21 05:28:01 well i got an invishield imitation off ebay and i think i messed it up..used to much pressure to get the bubbles out and now have stretch marks..maybe theyl go away..never used these water type ones always used the good 3m ones Jun 21 05:28:11 ok so dropbear is there and listenting Jun 21 05:28:13 now do this cmd Jun 21 05:28:13 in january when the pre was revealed, the touchstone was $39.99 on palm's accessory website Jun 21 05:28:14 whats the cheapest onlne youve found? Jun 21 05:28:20 iptables -L -vn |grep 222 Jun 21 05:28:28 k Jun 21 05:28:32 should just be one line you can paste here Jun 21 05:28:32 paste it up for you ? Jun 21 05:28:35 k Jun 21 05:28:36 janaury 9th i believe Jun 21 05:28:44 if there is no line Jun 21 05:28:47 your firewall is not set up Jun 21 05:29:33 so anyone have any ideas why no images are showing up in the global search for me? Jun 21 05:29:42 the buttons work but just no images Jun 21 05:29:54 pazookie, no idea without seeing what you did Jun 21 05:30:01 do you think the pre may be overheating if it is sorta hot and is randomly shutting down Jun 21 05:30:01 maybe i should max it at 550000 instead of 600000 Jun 21 05:30:01 or 599? Jun 21 05:30:08 retry, 0 0 ACCEPt tcp --- eth0 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:222 Jun 21 05:30:17 no ip? Jun 21 05:30:19 anyone have any ideas on the cpu scaling? Jun 21 05:30:26 wifi preferences shows me having an ip.. Jun 21 05:30:56 Hey, i found a keyshortcut for the pre Jun 21 05:31:05 browser* Jun 21 05:31:07 is it for brightness i hope ?!?! Jun 21 05:31:10 damn! Jun 21 05:31:11 dk0r, you look ok with your conf Jun 21 05:31:20 you should be able to ssh Jun 21 05:31:20 retry, ok. so...? Jun 21 05:31:28 ok, let me try once again. Jun 21 05:31:31 what's your eth0 ip ? Jun 21 05:31:53 dk0r you mentioned 2 machines, have you tried using putty from the other one to eliminate it being the pc? Jun 21 05:32:06 how hard is adjusting the camera app? im not too familiar with diff Jun 21 05:32:13 im researching it now Jun 21 05:32:18 mdmogren ok.. Jun 21 05:32:36 dk0r, if nothing else, we can temporarily open the pre to sprint and I can ssh to it don't need to login to make sure ssh is reachable Jun 21 05:32:51 login as: ? Jun 21 05:32:55 what do I want to login as? Jun 21 05:33:02 your unprivved user Jun 21 05:33:03 that's your new username that you created Jun 21 05:33:09 dropbear is configured it disallow root Jun 21 05:33:17 to* Jun 21 05:33:25 Shortcut options seem to be here: http://webos.pastebin.com/m7b6c4185 Jun 21 05:33:29 looks like I forgot my password.... Jun 21 05:34:14 passwd username Jun 21 05:34:27 to change your passwd Jun 21 05:34:34 as root ^ Jun 21 05:34:37 ok let me telnet back in Jun 21 05:34:46 Yeah i had to do that Jun 21 05:34:46 yeah stay telnetted in while you do all this Jun 21 05:34:50 no reason not to Jun 21 05:34:50 k] Jun 21 05:35:38 bad password: too weak Jun 21 05:35:44 wtf.. i tried it again and I think it took it. Jun 21 05:35:51 it just lets you know Jun 21 05:35:51 itl do that Jun 21 05:36:01 yah tripped me out too Jun 21 05:36:09 ok cool, im in. Jun 21 05:36:20 putty ssh'd Jun 21 05:36:30 let the games begin :P Jun 21 05:36:44 am I done? Jun 21 05:36:45 cool Jun 21 05:36:48 now turn off devmode Jun 21 05:37:03 k. let me try from the other pc quick Jun 21 05:37:10 that is before i kill d-mode Jun 21 05:37:18 is there any advantage to turnig dev mode off? Jun 21 05:37:29 retry have you tried the ajaxphp yet? (terminal directly from your pre Jun 21 05:37:30 iptables is wide open in dev mode Jun 21 05:37:30 turning* Jun 21 05:37:37 imop45_, no i haven't Jun 21 05:37:44 but I am looking forward to trying it out Jun 21 05:37:51 I hear it needs some tweaking to look good ont he small screen Jun 21 05:37:54 and that should cause which concerns? Jun 21 05:38:01 I can definitely handle php... Jun 21 05:38:16 i dont think putty likes windows 7... Jun 21 05:38:22 all firewalls are turned off.. Jun 21 05:38:32 pazookie, your firewall is on but there is a global allow rule set Jun 21 05:38:40 so your phone is unsecured Jun 21 05:38:53 im so sick of windows 7...i was using build 7077 and it kept corrupting my mvr Jun 21 05:38:57 mbr* Jun 21 05:39:03 dk07 i'm running windows 7 and putty as we speak Jun 21 05:39:03 -7 Jun 21 05:39:07 Its pretty cool, the only prob is that the pre CAPS the first letter, but you just press delete and it goesto lower case Jun 21 05:39:10 so am i... Jun 21 05:39:11 I'm on 7100.. Jun 21 05:39:16 putty +windows 7 Aok Jun 21 05:39:21 7100 here also Jun 21 05:39:24 rc1 Jun 21 05:39:24 mdm.. hrm.. Jun 21 05:39:31 64bit too Jun 21 05:39:38 dk0r, install cygwin and openssh Jun 21 05:39:39 definent hrm.. Jun 21 05:39:40 i cant find ther time to do the whole ghost image junk for that build Jun 21 05:39:41 its lame Jun 21 05:39:46 is that why they did that? Jun 21 05:39:52 to avoid an install Jun 21 05:39:55 im going to restart. brb. Jun 21 05:39:58 is anyone else still having flicker issues w/video after scaling? Jun 21 05:40:00 which doesnt agree with 3rd party partitioning Jun 21 05:40:11 slyder33, not if you do the threshold trick Jun 21 05:40:17 vhd's Jun 21 05:40:24 not really a trick...just gotta adjust ondemand governor Jun 21 05:40:30 dk this might sound stupid but another user the other day was on the wrong wifi network on his pc (different from his pre) - something to double check Jun 21 05:40:33 i downloaded 7231 Jun 21 05:40:38 which is a vhd Jun 21 05:40:53 added the script set to 30....still get it on sideloaded vids and Sprint TV Jun 21 05:41:08 well sprint tv sucks even w/o the flicker Jun 21 05:41:12 it's worse than youtube video Jun 21 05:41:21 Yeah sprint tv is useless Jun 21 05:41:24 im going to try 20 on the threshold Jun 21 05:41:25 and anything remotely worth watching costs extra Jun 21 05:41:28 lol agreed. youtube on this is pretty stable Jun 21 05:41:41 why cant we watch vids in portrait? anyone working on that? Jun 21 05:41:43 jclusso, set it too low and might as well not bother Jun 21 05:41:56 also the palm kernel dev, geist claims that palm experiemented with scaling Jun 21 05:42:00 and found it didn't save much battery life Jun 21 05:42:03 I think you get the video flicker because the mpeg-4 video stream decoder hits an I-frame and the CPU can't spin up quickly enough before the framebuffer hits the screen. Jun 21 05:42:12 he could be right, but I suspect that they wanted to optimize the video quality Jun 21 05:42:23 and not deal with complaining customers of flicker... Jun 21 05:42:31 bbl Jun 21 05:42:44 if you really really look at it.... Jun 21 05:42:52 Is there a way to go back to the previous page in browser without refreshing? (im guessing the refreshing is why it takes so long to go back) Jun 21 05:42:53 and have top running while a video is playing... Jun 21 05:43:16 even when you force the cpu to stay at 125000, the cpu never flatlines at 100% Jun 21 05:43:23 THey couldve made an excetion for the video app Jun 21 05:43:35 i'm sure it does for a few microseconds, but not enough for top to say 100% Jun 21 05:44:21 It didnt save any battery for me. Jun 21 05:44:24 ok. restart fixed it. ssh'd via putty on w7-32. Jun 21 05:44:26 there is something to be said about a consistent user experience. Jun 21 05:44:33 http://pbh2.blogspot.com/2009/04/bears-playing-hockey.html? Jun 21 05:44:37 if 500000 is what works 99% of the time... Jun 21 05:44:57 use it Jun 21 05:45:16 retry, what now? Jun 21 05:45:23 They could have made scaling possible without any draw backs, but prob didnt want to mess with ti Jun 21 05:45:40 ....future update for WebOS. Jun 21 05:45:54 just wait for Apple to one-up Palm.. then palm strikes back with 1.0.9 or whatever. Jun 21 05:46:48 Yeap. Im thinking my pre is having trouble with sleep mode or something, as my bat went down 18% in an hour and a half. and i was asleep so no pre action, it was in standby Jun 21 05:47:16 what really really made a difference for me was changing email checking intervals. Jun 21 05:47:21 Is keyboardshortcuts for the browser wiki worthy? Jun 21 05:47:35 is there anyway to add more frequencies? Jun 21 05:47:41 liek between 250000 and 500000 Jun 21 05:47:42 ? Jun 21 05:47:50 i have 4 email accounts. one is realtime (exchange), one is 5 minutes (yahoo) and the other two are 15 minutes. Jun 21 05:48:00 My email says "checking in 27 minutes" no matter what. my email intervals are at 24 hours Jun 21 05:48:04 imop45: do you have Dynanmic DNS setup for you Pre? Jun 21 05:48:15 No i dont. not yet Jun 21 05:48:49 I noticed my battery started draining faster after I did a bunch of tweaks --- i am trying to narrow down which one started killing my battery Jun 21 05:49:02 correction:next upate in 27 mins. Jun 21 05:49:18 once ssh'd into pre, then what? Jun 21 05:49:38 I'm so pissed about my batt life! Its been like this since day one, so how could i see the drain log or something to pinpoint? Jun 21 05:50:01 i had a problem once upon a time with a phantom email being resent every 5 minutes... it was fixed by removing the email account and re-adding it. Jun 21 05:50:08 dk, depends what you're trying to do... look at the wiki for some cool ideas Jun 21 05:50:17 mdm may I pm ? Jun 21 05:50:38 perhaps that could fix your retry interval Jun 21 05:50:59 what's that Jun 21 05:51:06 oh nm Jun 21 05:51:35 Hmm.. so delete all my accounts and redo them? Maybe all delte them all and test for a day or so without them period. If i still have problems..well sprint it is Jun 21 05:51:58 also, i have a Message send error that i get everytime Jun 21 05:53:43 Hey, is keyboard shortcuts for browser wiki-worthy? Jun 21 05:54:16 shortcuts are gods gift to us Jun 21 05:54:37 well i cant edit the wiki so.. want the info? Jun 21 05:54:50 for sure Jun 21 05:55:31 wiz:http://webos.pastebin.com/f5bc3d2a9 Jun 21 05:56:14 tx Jun 21 05:56:51 just delete and re-add whatever account is affected Jun 21 05:56:59 imop, can you translate? what are the shortcuts and what do they do? Jun 21 05:57:01 if they all aren't, don't erase all of thme Jun 21 05:57:33 retry:found a download folder in borswer... I'm kinda thinking it could be for the helpfiles also Jun 21 05:58:38 I'm on webos resources (the webos Doctor tool thing) so it might not be exact of the pre, but the shortcuts are all undefuned Jun 21 05:59:17 undefined* Example: // Construct in a predefined order. Jun 21 05:59:18 if (shortcut.ctrlKey) { Jun 21 05:59:18 key += "CTRL+"; Jun 21 06:00:47 sweet! Jun 21 06:00:59 thanks for maintaing the wiki. much appreciated Jun 21 06:02:41 Hmm, could someone go to /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/views/download/ on their pre please? Jun 21 06:03:10 Has anyone else dug arround looking for accelerometer? This pic shows they plan on allowing on it: http://slashgear.smugmug.com/photos/547644690_7GqV2-M.jpg Jun 21 06:03:46 imop45_, ok there Jun 21 06:04:30 ok, ls it Jun 21 06:05:07 # cat scaling_available_frequencies Jun 21 06:05:07 600000 550000 500000 250000 125000 Jun 21 06:05:16 for people wondering about cpu frequencies you can use Jun 21 06:05:17 THeres some html files there right? Could you go to one of them, one that would most prob list what has been downloaded Jun 21 06:05:20 you can' tjust set it to whatever you want Jun 21 06:06:05 imap45_, this is the view part of the app they are containers for js objects Jun 21 06:07:43 "file-download-progress" interesting Jun 21 06:07:51 Hmm, ok, so the download manager mentions here http://webos.pastebin.com/f6e15559f is about JS objects? Jun 21 06:08:26 We need a download manager to download stuff from the browser. I was hoping that was it... http://webos.pastebin.com/f6e15559f Jun 21 06:09:21 I have never actually tried d/ling anything with the browser but from what I have heard it does support downloading certain types of files and my guess that is the interface showing you the progress of the allowed downloads Jun 21 06:10:28 mdmogren, after that guide is wifi required to be on? i thought it was strictly via bluetooth, no ? Jun 21 06:10:34 Yes, but a picture you cant. Palm os: Tap and hold over picture to download. Web OS: Tap and hold and the Pre laughes histerically at you Jun 21 06:11:18 maybe instead of tap and hold try doubletap or just hold or....something? hehe Jun 21 06:11:44 AgentSmith: Pre still laughes histerically at you Jun 21 06:11:51 well at least it has a sense of humor Jun 21 06:12:00 why cant the browser download images? Jun 21 06:12:02 Yeah... and evil one. Jun 21 06:12:05 ha! Jun 21 06:12:14 it's 1.0 folks, keep your pants on! Jun 21 06:12:21 iphone 1.0 didn't even know what copy paste was ;) Jun 21 06:12:34 * dk0rrr shrugs. Jun 21 06:12:55 root your pre and use wget :) Jun 21 06:12:57 B/c the 2002 Palm OS Blazer actually had more options then the 2008/09 WebOS browser Jun 21 06:13:09 My pre has a little too much iphone in it... Jun 21 06:13:09 yes, it did. Jun 21 06:13:39 The 2002 Palm OS had more options in general.. Jun 21 06:14:13 I miss my palm os.. the pre...kinda feels too iPhoney.. Jun 21 06:14:55 change is always hard Jun 21 06:14:56 heheh Jun 21 06:15:26 the phone is very unresponsive on occassion and I've never more than three apps open simultaneously. Jun 21 06:15:37 Change to...? More eye candy and less options? If i wanted that, i wouldve just gone to the iphone. Jun 21 06:15:56 install classic Jun 21 06:16:03 problem solved Jun 21 06:16:21 imop, it's not easy to switch OSes Jun 21 06:16:28 like when apple went from OS 9 to OS X Jun 21 06:16:32 nothing was the same Jun 21 06:16:33 Like Sony, every new version they create has less and less features and options. I.E. PS3 Jun 21 06:16:33 barely nothing worked Jun 21 06:16:37 hahaha sony Jun 21 06:16:46 never mention sony and anything real in the same sentence Jun 21 06:16:48 sony is evil Jun 21 06:17:40 is wifi required enabled for p.a.m guide? thought it was bluetooth specific.. Jun 21 06:17:45 the original PS3 had backwards campatibility and 6 usb ports... jerks. Oh, and PSP GO, removes features. Still n o right analog stick Jun 21 06:18:36 og PS# was supposed to have dual 1080p hdmi Jun 21 06:18:45 Agent: Yeah, they are. They would be the perfect BDMS partner-they /know/ how to tuorture. They now it very very well. Jun 21 06:20:46 hhahah imop45_ Jun 21 06:21:41 Well, the original palm pilot introduced so many features. So so many, and made it easy and user friendly. In 12 years down the line, the company almost died and went limp..then bring a phone out.. with less options than the 1990's palm pilot version. Its too barebones man. Jun 21 06:21:54 brings* Jun 21 06:22:06 brings a new* Jun 21 06:23:55 I dont like the new concept with things.. either have 100% business... or a retarded "smart"phone. I'm hoping palm gives it some meds to reverse the mental illnesses Jun 21 06:24:18 I have faith in palm though. Jun 21 06:24:51 welcome to 1.0 products Jun 21 06:25:04 when they sdk is released the phone will do whatever you want. Jun 21 06:25:30 I require a graphing calculator app. Jun 21 06:25:31 I'm crossing my fingers for the virtual gf app. Jun 21 06:25:34 THats the thing though, palm should make an awesome 1.0 b/c theyve leaded for years in bringing new options Jun 21 06:25:44 it is awesome! Jun 21 06:25:52 no, they didn't Jun 21 06:25:55 imop45_ in addition to having ample time for devlp. Jun 21 06:26:06 they've stuck with the same old stone until it couldn't bleed no more Jun 21 06:26:28 But, the 1990's palm os had more optins.. my dumb phones had more options Jun 21 06:26:30 then they spent a year working furiously to bring webOS out Jun 21 06:26:41 PalmOS is antiquated architecture Jun 21 06:27:12 Im simply disappointed in the lack of configurability across the os. Jun 21 06:27:17 shin: but who hep?ex-iphone ppl. Its antiqued, yes, but still has more options. Jun 21 06:27:53 damn thing takes forever to startup too.. Jun 21 06:28:23 Hell yeah it does. and if the batt dies you got to wait 10-20mins till itll startup Jun 21 06:28:46 impo, was more like 5 minutes for me but who is counting. :) Jun 21 06:29:05 one thing I really dont like is amount of clicks to make a phone call Jun 21 06:29:26 dk0r: the old Palm OS rom is in the pre, so if you could find some way of extracting it without using Classic, then..youd have it Jun 21 06:29:30 my 755p, i hit a letter for the persons name and the center button and boom im making a phone call. Jun 21 06:29:43 give it time dk0r Jun 21 06:29:54 iphone was a piece at first, it's decent now Jun 21 06:29:58 any new thing is a piece Jun 21 06:30:09 Yeah, no shortcuts for the pre. THe palm OS was built with one thing in mind: least clickes as possible. Jun 21 06:30:10 a piece a shit Jun 21 06:30:25 with the pre, i have to open the keyboard, hit a letter, move up to the touch screen, tap the contact, then move down the touch screen and hit the green dial phone. Jun 21 06:30:27 what? Jun 21 06:30:34 very difficult simply to make a tele.. Jun 21 06:31:00 anyone familiar with a quicker way to make calls? Jun 21 06:31:30 use a hard line Jun 21 06:31:33 yeah, stop thinking about how much energy you're wasting everytime you move a finger Jun 21 06:31:43 i hit the green button, then the contacts link in the upper-right corner, then flick scroll Jun 21 06:31:46 But Palm has made great OSes!! Why should a new one be a POS? If honda makes commercial lawnmowers, than makes a new comm lawnmower, you expect it to be just as good, or better. Not worse Jun 21 06:32:08 imop45_ agreed. Jun 21 06:32:40 i expected the same functionality of the pre as with webos plus all the additional new features Jun 21 06:32:47 dk0r: create launchers and/or speed dial key Jun 21 06:32:50 oh for sure.... but anything new is a piece... a piece of shit cause if it aint features then its poison milk, lead toys, other shit from china Jun 21 06:33:00 instead I feel like I have an iphone that multitasks. Jun 21 06:33:10 then you could return it? Jun 21 06:33:16 And if the 1989 honda commercial lawnmower has a large feature set, and they're still alive and kicken, then you expect the 2009 version to have all of those, updated, and more. Jun 21 06:33:29 ShinAli, I'm still in my 30 days :) Jun 21 06:33:29 dk it calls if you just tap in number in universal search... no send button required Jun 21 06:33:54 seriously why are you guys even here in this channel, you would make more progress sending palm an email telling them how shitty your pre is Jun 21 06:33:54 or maybe the old lawnmowers are too complicated and they made easy ones. Jun 21 06:33:58 mdmogren then hit enter? Jun 21 06:34:44 no... from the home screen start typing a name.. then just tap on the number u want to call... Jun 21 06:35:00 dk0r:too much iphone in my pre too. You dont want the iphone right, (for any reason) so you go for the pre. And guess what? its made by the ex-iphone makers. Jun 21 06:35:03 alright Jun 21 06:35:05 CPU scaling is the shit Jun 21 06:35:07 mdmogren: he complains that he has to move his hand to touch the screen Jun 21 06:35:19 enlighten us fu Jun 21 06:35:29 ShinAli that was not the complaint.. Jun 21 06:36:03 i do miss a d-pad too.. it would have been easy to put one where the home button is Jun 21 06:36:13 Palm OS was that compicated? I dont think so. The 1989 mower looks old and outdated, but it has features you need and it works. Jun 21 06:36:22 mdm, or better yet, make it a scroll wheel. Jun 21 06:36:50 i've heard nothing but bad things about those blackberry trackballs tho Jun 21 06:36:59 I love the pre..but my heart hurts too... Like a lost love when you find a new one.. Your happy...but sad. Bittersweet Jun 21 06:37:01 mdm, that guide I followed, it doesnt require wifi does it? its bluetooth specific, no ? Jun 21 06:37:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/d1e056298 Jun 21 06:37:14 this is sorta interesting Jun 21 06:37:15 i have no idea. never used it. point is new things start simple Jun 21 06:37:19 if you want to poke around at the stuff luna caches Jun 21 06:37:44 is there a brightness key-shortcut? Jun 21 06:37:48 market pressures + a bunch of other variables didnt give them time to figure out a multitude of shinnanigans Jun 21 06:37:54 Hmm... i guess so..but You have to admit, it feels a little too iphonish Jun 21 06:38:11 eh. idk. i like it. Jun 21 06:38:23 i've never used an iphone so i have no idea Jun 21 06:38:25 the iphone is way more responvie that is the pre. Jun 21 06:38:29 i like it cause its linux based Jun 21 06:38:34 ive never owned one but I went into the store yesterday and.. Jun 21 06:38:47 the iphone will take eyecandy over functionality. Seems pre has /started out/ that way Jun 21 06:38:48 flicks and movement are way fluid on the iphone where the pre can be a slouch @ times. Jun 21 06:39:44 Yeah, the pre doesnt have the smooth scroll down yet. That im fine with being 1.0: its a first for palm. But missing functionailty-thats not. Jun 21 06:40:16 true. Jun 21 06:40:30 common apple makes full fledged computer oses andthey didnt put copy paste till recently. Give palm a break lol Jun 21 06:40:31 its size cannot be beat though! love the form factor. Jun 21 06:40:58 I know, but you expect that shit from apple. They are asses. Jun 21 06:41:21 tru Jun 21 06:41:25 eh. I was expecting palm to have their act together Jun 21 06:41:33 i wasn't Jun 21 06:41:48 i thought they pulled off a miracle Jun 21 06:42:00 I figured they had enough time post foleo/pre nova Jun 21 06:42:12 But not from palm. Theyve (obviously) chossen functiuonality over looks and eye candy up untill now. Jun 21 06:42:23 Yeah, they did pull off a miracle Jun 21 06:42:33 i made a fun boot logo replacement.. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187400-change-palm-glow-color-boot-2.html#post1698157 Jun 21 06:42:36 imop45_ what missing functionality do you refer to? Jun 21 06:42:42 video recording? Jun 21 06:42:53 a scientific calculator? Jun 21 06:42:55 screw that, thats trivial Jun 21 06:43:04 well done mdmogren Jun 21 06:43:04 please cite. Jun 21 06:43:46 a notificatin system, a vibrate switch that actually silences, world clock, Jun 21 06:44:08 basically, just better notification options. Better options alltogether Jun 21 06:44:13 imop45_ im pretty pissed aout the silence button. Jun 21 06:44:24 it doesn't silence? Jun 21 06:44:26 but I think what you are refering to is configurability Jun 21 06:44:26 whats wrong with the silence button? Jun 21 06:44:27 mine does lol Jun 21 06:44:29 And clock has no vibrate. Jun 21 06:44:47 that in addition to alarms are not silenced by the silence button. Jun 21 06:44:51 switch* Jun 21 06:45:00 i think that is good lol Jun 21 06:45:05 I dont... Jun 21 06:45:07 alarms are suppose to alarm you Jun 21 06:45:10 No, turn on a clock alarm right now, and toggle vibrate swich Jun 21 06:45:12 on winmo it was just an option, as it should be Jun 21 06:45:16 it can vibrate. Jun 21 06:45:25 Clock? How? Jun 21 06:45:28 if I tell it to be quiet, I want it to be quiet. Jun 21 06:45:34 then turn it off Jun 21 06:45:40 ....... Jun 21 06:45:45 or shut the alarm off Jun 21 06:45:46 throw it away! Jun 21 06:45:58 if you dont want to hear it, just throw it away :) Jun 21 06:45:59 throw it my way ;) Jun 21 06:46:05 heh. did you get one Wiz? Jun 21 06:46:19 opening day 8am Jun 21 06:46:24 Exactly. What if you accidently hit the clack for 3 am, itll scream. Jun 21 06:46:29 I got mine from bestbuy Jun 21 06:46:39 they had some sweet clip on cases Jun 21 06:46:42 Mine-opening day Jun 21 06:47:05 point being.. the silence button should silence. Jun 21 06:47:11 i got mine at sprint store. 50+ ppl in this rinky dink town Jun 21 06:47:15 if you think about it tho - winmo was totally unusable out of the box imo - the huge dev community made it good, but before that it sux, the pre is 300% beter ootb Jun 21 06:47:21 if you want to give me option to silence certain things as opposed to others, do so, but don make the decision for me. Jun 21 06:47:22 Or if youre watching a video at work itll start screaming and the toggle switch wont silence it. Jun 21 06:47:33 mdmogren yes. Jun 21 06:47:54 "Pre" it makes decisions for you all day long Jun 21 06:48:01 isnt that the point of it? Jun 21 06:48:03 i'm having a time with that guide. its pissing me off. thing only works when wifi is enabled. Jun 21 06:48:14 wiz, hehe Jun 21 06:48:23 ok, but isnt MS planning on making a new one in a few months? WinPhone? Jun 21 06:48:42 dk0r what thing? Jun 21 06:48:49 6.5? it's pretty lame.. Jun 21 06:49:12 and my guess is, if we're talking about a few months, palm will address most of these issues anyways Jun 21 06:49:27 No something else.. hmm, winmo is clunky period. But lets say they made a new one, and took away all options. Jun 21 06:49:33 mdm Im hoping. what was the main fix in their first update? i didnt pay attention. Jun 21 06:49:58 Youd be like, "wth? They have no excuse for that, i cant use it for work now!" Jun 21 06:50:01 ok. nap time. later geeks Jun 21 06:50:24 Hey im not a..ok...well.. *fights acceptance* Jun 21 06:50:34 lol Jun 21 06:50:37 imop to be fair you havent described anything that is exactly killing your productivity here.. Jun 21 06:50:54 Notifications is. Jun 21 06:50:59 notifications? Jun 21 06:50:59 can anyone enable me to join the wiki? Jun 21 06:51:26 I had to pull my old Sonya m1 dumbphone as an alarm Jun 21 06:52:17 you're less productive because you cant remember to turn off your alarm when you dont want it to go off? i dont get it Jun 21 06:52:22 (i hate noise in the morning, vibrate i dont mind. also, i miss occurances etc) Jun 21 06:53:00 imop45_, start digging the code. Jun 21 06:53:24 I woke up at 10:31 am instead of 7:10am b/c it didnt vibrate but half a second Jun 21 06:53:52 I'm not that skilled yet. Jun 21 06:53:56 lol damn were you drunk? Jun 21 06:54:50 No, am now though :) No, i sleep heavy kinda and it was storming that day so it was dark outside. Jun 8th ltm, that monday. Jun 21 06:56:31 With the Palm OS there was awesome programs-powerhero, butler, etc. Hopefully itll happen with the pre (though those developers prob died of old age) Jun 21 06:58:27 the app list has been at 30 for the past few days Jun 21 06:58:46 imop once the sdk comes out i think we'll see it go nuts... Jun 21 06:59:42 Yeah we will. Will they be able to do what we're doing? I thought they'd be limited to html, CCS, and JS? Jun 21 07:05:03 Will they be able to edit cre things, like the predev team? Jun 21 07:08:59 Hey found how to allow the back button in landscapre mode instead of scrolling Jun 21 07:09:59 anybody know where the QDLogger is? Jun 21 07:10:27 find qdlogger? Jun 21 07:10:39 don't think it's that simple Jun 21 07:10:58 hold on found it Jun 21 07:11:36 phone application Jun 21 07:11:38 i want log output Jun 21 07:11:47 yeah it's all over the apps Jun 21 07:11:50 it's the common log facility Jun 21 07:11:55 oh ok Jun 21 07:11:57 I wnat to know where it's logging to though Jun 21 07:12:04 and read logs to help me debug Jun 21 07:12:20 comment:wrapper for Mojo logger. tags our lines with a string, keeps us quiet Jun 21 07:12:20 * better than bad, it's good. everyone wants a log. Jun 21 07:12:29 heh Jun 21 07:12:34 ren and stimpy ref right there Jun 21 07:12:59 I like that show...dont remember the quote Jun 21 07:13:25 seen .debug folders? Jun 21 07:13:56 var QDLogger = { Jun 21 07:13:57 log: Mojo.Log.info.bind(Mojo.Log, "PhoneApp: "), Jun 21 07:14:24 ooh not bad imop...if you find an actual system file paste it Jun 21 07:14:40 how'd you find that anyway? Jun 21 07:15:15 Im in the webos resources file. CTRL + Find qdlogger Jun 21 07:15:54 var QDLogger = { Jun 21 07:15:55 log: Mojo.Log.info.bind(Mojo.Log, "PhoneApp: "), Jun 21 07:15:55 error: Mojo.Log.error.bind(Mojo.Log, "PhoneApp: ") Jun 21 07:15:55 }; Jun 21 07:16:18 ok i found same thing too Jun 21 07:16:23 so it's a Mojo component Jun 21 07:16:31 where are the mojo libs located/ Jun 21 07:16:56 hmm... found something interesting Jun 21 07:17:17 Hey, anyone know what file you have to modify to comment out the Camera shutter sound? Jun 21 07:17:26 ahh /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/mojo.js Jun 21 07:17:57 http://webos.pastebin.com/f216d6ae1 Jun 21 07:18:18 won: just silence the phone :) Jun 21 07:18:46 "The logging methods are designed to work like the ones in the [Firebug Console Jun 21 07:18:46 API](http://getfirebug.com/console.html)." Jun 21 07:19:04 i want to perma kill the shutter -- i just cant find any reference to the file to mod in the wiki Jun 21 07:19:09 imop, what file is that? Jun 21 07:20:22 this: USR/PALM/MOJO/SUBMISSIONS/175.7/JAVASCRPITS Jun 21 07:20:34 oh hm Jun 21 07:20:41 that's definitely the logging facility Jun 21 07:20:44 says it logs to the console Jun 21 07:20:55 usr/palm/mojo/submissions/175.7/javascripts* Jun 21 07:22:04 theres something called log_reader.la in /usr/lib/purple-2 Jun 21 07:23:39 http://webos.pastebin.com/f5f25265d Jun 21 07:25:52 found collect all file for logs.. Jun 21 07:26:58 etc/event.d/logctld Jun 21 07:26:58 sbin/logctld-public.pem Jun 21 07:26:58 sbin/logctld_clear_all.sh Jun 21 07:26:58 sbin/logctld_collect_all.sh Jun 21 07:26:58 usr/bin/logctld Jun 21 07:26:58 usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/com.palm.logctld.service Jun 21 07:28:21 alright just did the camera timer edit Jun 21 07:28:29 i don't think that's it impo Jun 21 07:28:34 different level of logging Jun 21 07:28:38 pazookie, the 10 second countdown? Jun 21 07:28:39 nd now capture doesnt work and theres no icon for the timer delay spot Jun 21 07:28:41 was it work it? pazookie? Jun 21 07:28:47 but the capture IS shifted to the left Jun 21 07:28:49 *worth Jun 21 07:28:49 logging.jar at usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/jre/lib/boot Jun 21 07:28:52 hoping a reboot will solve it Jun 21 07:29:07 pazookie, did you just do the 10 second timer hack? Jun 21 07:29:09 well 2.5 Jun 21 07:29:18 ill edit it to 10 in a sec when i confirm its working Jun 21 07:29:27 because I wrote the 10 second hack Jun 21 07:29:35 :) Jun 21 07:29:38 on top of the OP's 2.5 second delay work Jun 21 07:29:46 yah i saw it Jun 21 07:29:47 so I'll help you with that Jun 21 07:29:51 aight Jun 21 07:30:02 but I don't got too much time and I'm trying to make my phone NOT alert when I miss acall Jun 21 07:30:11 because I don't want to be woken up but DO want SMS to wake me Jun 21 07:30:15 so annoying Jun 21 07:30:32 hey pazookie --- do you know what to edit if you only want to turn the shutter sound off? Jun 21 07:30:34 Still need help with logging? Jun 21 07:30:54 imop...yeah I really would like to know where the MOJO log facility goes Jun 21 07:31:08 it says console...I dunno if that means I gotta get into dev mode or what Jun 21 07:31:23 So what should i look for? Jun 21 07:31:49 Did you see the log_reader.la? Jun 21 07:32:38 on logctld: #console output Jun 21 07:32:38 #Caution: parameter is essential! Jun 21 07:32:38 exec /usr/bin/logctld -v Jun 21 07:33:16 ok rebooted and still no go Jun 21 07:33:22 i never did initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr Jun 21 07:33:29 but a reboot should have sufficed Jun 21 07:33:55 i double checked all my edits Jun 21 07:33:59 and everything is proper Jun 21 07:34:17 try: http://webos.pastebin.com/f766ef33b talks about flushing logs to disk Jun 21 07:34:53 dude I think that's more low level system logging Jun 21 07:34:55 not app logging Jun 21 07:35:00 but idk Jun 21 07:35:16 hmm. Same with logctld -v? Jun 21 07:35:36 hey pazookie --- do you know what to edit if you only want to turn the shutter sound off?\ Jun 21 07:35:53 pazookie, what is your issue exactly? Jun 21 07:37:37 my capture no lnger works but IS SHIFTED to the left and my timer icon isnt present nor does anythign when i tap the spot Jun 21 07:38:15 @Wonder420 edit out //SystemSoundsService.play(SystemSoundsService.SHUTTER_SOUND, this.scene.controller); Jun 21 07:38:33 from which file? Jun 21 07:38:41 in om.palm.app.camera/javascripts/camera-control.js Jun 21 07:38:52 kthx :) Jun 21 07:38:52 com* Jun 21 07:38:56 yup Jun 21 07:39:00 well i know the output for oasisVM Jun 21 07:39:16 ServiceLogger output in java-serviceboot's Jun 21 07:39:16 # console (in addition to /var/log/messages) Jun 21 07:39:16 #com.palm.oasis.util.ServiceLogger.handlers = java.util.logging.ConsoleHandler Jun 21 07:40:14 ACTUALLY my space for the timer capture WORKS but no icon and regular capture doesnt work Jun 21 07:40:28 actually now it DOES WORK Jun 21 07:40:34 so only thing wrong is no pic Jun 21 07:40:41 does the png need to be interlaced? Jun 21 07:41:31 i actually didn't use a different png image Jun 21 07:41:37 ok gott run to taco bell..will be back Jun 21 07:41:42 yah i just wanted one lol Jun 21 07:41:44 I just used the same one as the regular button Jun 21 07:41:51 the fact that there's a 10 on my timer button is clear enough Jun 21 07:41:56 ok night Jun 21 07:42:00 i just put white numbers on the top of each image (the six inside the png) "321" Jun 21 07:42:24 ill try just using the orig Jun 21 07:45:11 ill try your setup retry when i get back Jun 21 07:45:45 each image? Jun 21 07:46:48 quickly, in / whats NoBatt.tga mean? its a pic of this face with OBEY at the bottom Jun 21 07:47:17 if you open the opng there are 6 diff color capture icons Jun 21 07:47:25 png* Jun 21 07:48:42 retry: novacom get file://klog > log.txt Jun 21 07:49:40 sorry, its called disk.tga Jun 21 07:49:44 oh Jun 21 07:49:51 like i said I was too lazy to mess with making images Jun 21 07:49:57 so I just used the same image for my button Jun 21 07:50:11 by not having the background url in my css class for the delay button Jun 21 07:50:31 imop45_, seriously appreciate the effort Jun 21 07:50:36 but I think you're digging too deep Jun 21 07:50:46 if you want to, focus on the MOJO log code Jun 21 07:50:59 No, that was just the Panic.tga image Jun 21 07:52:04 What the heck does the disk.tga image mean? Jun 21 07:53:01 nfc Jun 21 07:53:02 onMissed: function(id){ Jun 21 07:53:09 so there is this onMissed method Jun 21 07:53:17 in the incomingcall-assistant.js Jun 21 07:53:37 that has to be what takes the flow when the incoming call ends without you answering Jun 21 07:53:47 but if i simply add a return; at the top so it does nothing Jun 21 07:53:53 it shouldn't even LOG the message that I got a call Jun 21 07:53:56 yet it does Jun 21 07:54:16 so idk if the luna rescan trick works with this Jun 21 07:54:23 but I don't see why not... Jun 21 07:56:01 maybe it just logs everything Jun 21 07:56:15 how could it Jun 21 07:56:24 i return before it calls the announcer class Jun 21 07:56:36 Hmm.. constantly logging would use resources Jun 21 07:56:38 and I don't mean LOG as in dev debug logs Jun 21 07:56:43 I mean log as in the call log that you see on the phone Jun 21 07:57:10 oh interesting Jun 21 07:57:12 So it logs 34 seconds on a missed call is what youre saying? Jun 21 07:57:12 ok that did something Jun 21 07:57:22 well it puts tha tnotification in that you missed a call Jun 21 07:57:25 ok when I put a return in there Jun 21 07:57:32 the call kept ringing on the phone Jun 21 07:57:35 even though i hung up Jun 21 07:57:40 so it wasn't cleaning up Jun 21 07:57:45 cool..that's something anyway Jun 21 07:57:51 Hm, so could you do the opposite? Jun 21 07:59:07 opposite meaning what? Jun 21 07:59:07 Can you put a return in the notification for missed call alert? Jun 21 07:59:20 uh well i wouldn't call that the opposite Jun 21 07:59:22 Meaning, it wont ring at all Jun 21 07:59:35 ideally i still want the notification ..the visual stuff...the log of the call the # etc. Jun 21 07:59:37 * jblebrun feels slightly vindicated having iPhone users drooling over his phone at the bar tonight. Jun 21 07:59:42 i just want to avoid the audio announcement Jun 21 07:59:50 jblebrun, nice :D Jun 21 07:59:55 what did you show em? Jun 21 08:00:08 All I had to do was whip it out, and they were sold ;-) Jun 21 08:00:15 oh pfft Jun 21 08:00:23 you should have like pulled out a netbook and ssh'd in Jun 21 08:00:29 But one guy was like "I heard it was hackable" Jun 21 08:00:38 Yeah i was in the drive through for fast food, and the manager lady started drooling Jun 21 08:00:46 And I was like "Oh, yeah, I just ssh into my phone and edit Javascript code for native apps" Jun 21 08:00:52 And he tried to make out with me Jun 21 08:01:01 hehe Jun 21 08:01:07 ok finally making some progress Jun 21 08:01:17 I have successfully blocked the notification of a missed call Jun 21 08:01:23 and yet the call shows up in the log Jun 21 08:01:28 but that's still too much Jun 21 08:01:32 Are you trying to make a blacklist? Jun 21 08:01:34 I just wnat to block the sound alert Jun 21 08:01:46 no I just want to NOT be woken up when some ahole calls me ar 4am Jun 21 08:01:52 thinking I live in cali when I live in hawaii Jun 21 08:01:56 What i was thinking, put a return in there for the notification of it, then just look back at your missed calls Jun 21 08:02:10 imop45_, I still want the notification on the main screen Jun 21 08:02:24 I dont want to have to go into the phone app just to see if I missed something Jun 21 08:02:29 Hmm, so no sacrifises huh? Jun 21 08:02:31 but ok things are happening this is good Jun 21 08:02:43 not if I can help it no Jun 21 08:03:16 haha, the disk.tga is Shepard Fairey's "OBEY Giant" of Andre' the Giant. Wonder what would cause it to com up Jun 21 08:05:17 Hmm, what about deleting the alert mp3? Jun 21 08:05:43 it's the same alert that tons of other stuff use Jun 21 08:05:49 like SMS for exampl Jun 21 08:05:55 the very thing I care about still hearing Jun 21 08:06:16 so the onMissed method calls this method in another class Jun 21 08:06:16 announceMissed: function(number, contact, timeStamp) { Jun 21 08:06:28 I was messing with this before and nothing was happening Jun 21 08:06:35 Crap. Could you delete the string that pulls to the wav? Jun 21 08:06:35 but I think the luna rescan trick was not working Jun 21 08:06:43 iv'e gone back to rebooting the GUI Jun 21 08:07:03 imop45_, I just have to be careful, I don't want to have this affect any other events apart from missed calls Jun 21 08:07:27 so global solutions like that are dangerous Jun 21 08:07:48 Right, but the event goes and links to the .wav, so cant you delete that link? Jun 21 08:07:50 ok i jacked the phone number in the announcement to say 666 Jun 21 08:07:54 definitely in the right place Jun 21 08:08:19 haha, honey, the devils calling Jun 21 08:12:01 i am disappointed that the rescan trick doesn't work Jun 21 08:12:13 but at least I dont have to reboot and re ssh everytime Jun 21 08:12:17 that'd be horrible Jun 21 08:12:24 mmm crunchwrap supreme Jun 21 08:12:31 could you tell me where you are? Jun 21 08:13:40 ok, well ubuntu ir pissing me off, my mouse is too sensitive Jun 21 08:14:21 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1698595&posted=1#post1698595 Jun 21 08:14:27 flashlight released Jun 21 08:14:30 retry, where's the files youre working on? Jun 21 08:14:49 retry: what are you trying to do that the rescan doesn't work? Jun 21 08:14:58 PreGame, I'm messing with the phone app Jun 21 08:15:06 and rescan is definitely NOT updating the files Jun 21 08:15:23 # luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} Jun 21 08:15:24 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true } Jun 21 08:15:50 ok im now attempting retry's timer Jun 21 08:16:07 imop45_, find me Mojo.Controller.getAppController(); Jun 21 08:16:17 look for getAppController() in the Mojo lib Jun 21 08:16:21 you found the Mojo lib before Jun 21 08:16:41 what kind of updates are you doing? Jun 21 08:16:43 might say like getAppController: function( Jun 21 08:16:51 just simple javascript edits? Jun 21 08:16:54 PreGame, I'm trying to cut off the sound for the missed phone announcement Jun 21 08:17:07 uh well all the frontend apps are 'simple' javascript Jun 21 08:17:14 but yes Jun 21 08:17:23 thats weird it worked when i did it while editing my .js files Jun 21 08:17:23 ok Jun 21 08:17:51 oh you know what Jun 21 08:17:57 PreGame, what app? Jun 21 08:18:05 the phone runs as a background service so that may be why Jun 21 08:18:12 yeah I thought something like that Jun 21 08:18:14 the one i created Jun 21 08:18:54 I saw this Jun 21 08:18:57 /usr/bin/TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma Jun 21 08:19:01 and figured that might have to do with it Jun 21 08:19:27 ooh Jun 21 08:19:32 wait a tick there is an event script for it Jun 21 08:19:45 hmm Jun 21 08:19:50 let's test Jun 21 08:20:01 hmm.. im having a hard time finding this Jun 21 08:20:41 No, its not searching with js anymore Jun 21 08:21:11 hey retry do i add the lines stated below llog("CameraControl constructor completed"); Jun 21 08:21:12 in camera-controls.js? Jun 21 08:21:38 damn didn't work Jun 21 08:21:44 gotta reboot luna :/ Jun 21 08:21:59 actually below }, which is below llog("CameraControl constructor completed"); Jun 21 08:22:37 pazookie Jun 21 08:22:41 yah Jun 21 08:22:55 /Available Timer Values. Jun 21 08:22:55 availableOptions: [{label: $L('Ringer switch controls sounds'), value:"RingerOn"},{label: $L('Always play sounds'), value:"Always"},{label: $L('Never play sounds'), value:"Never"}], Jun 21 08:22:57 just swap out the captureTimer function with the one I wrote Jun 21 08:22:59 same spot Jun 21 08:23:05 then all the junk above it just goes immediately above it Jun 21 08:23:09 that code showed by global!! Jun 21 08:23:59 should* Jun 21 08:24:20 imop lookks like the sound and ringtone page Jun 21 08:24:37 Yes trying to see about making vibrate longer Jun 21 08:24:41 which is pretty global indeed Jun 21 08:24:45 ahh Jun 21 08:25:25 With videos it overrides, clock overrides, pandora overrides Jun 21 08:26:49 hi Jun 21 08:26:56 hi Jun 21 08:27:10 hi Jun 21 08:27:19 oh great mojo is like 33000 lines of unindented code Jun 21 08:27:57 hmmm Jun 21 08:28:04 anything new in the last couple days? Jun 21 08:28:08 its not global. i hate that. Could you port this code to the clock/video/youtube/music/anything else that overrides the silence app Jun 21 08:28:32 Yes, ajaxphp (a terminal for havking directly in the pre) Jun 21 08:28:45 hmmm Jun 21 08:29:32 mmm beer Jun 21 08:29:43 well.. I can change the length of the sound, but not the vibration Jun 21 08:30:22 <-- made a 5 gallon batch of beer yesterday Jun 21 08:30:22 ok did it retry but the timer is on the left and ther eis no standard capture Jun 21 08:30:23 mmmm Jun 21 08:30:38 and flash is gone Jun 21 08:30:50 5 gallon... and you didnt invite us over? shame Jun 21 08:31:47 Hmm... seems like vibrate is a lower level.. ami right? Jun 21 08:31:58 pazookie, that's messed up Jun 21 08:32:02 sorry if you download the flashlight app you need to download it again Jun 21 08:32:07 i forgot to include the service Jun 21 08:32:07 you have had to have done something wrong Jun 21 08:32:16 if you send your files to me I can diff them against mine Jun 21 08:32:19 see what youve done Jun 21 08:32:33 PalmSystem.playSoundNotification Jun 21 08:32:37 ok where is PalmSystem at Jun 21 08:33:27 well i found palmsniffer Jun 21 08:34:30 i saw palmsystem a while back... cant remember now Jun 21 08:34:59 pazookie, can you post them on a webserver some where Jun 21 08:35:06 easier for me to wget them straight to the phone Jun 21 08:36:08 umm anyone got some space for me? Jun 21 08:36:10 lol Jun 21 08:36:36 hey found a media plugin address Jun 21 08:36:48 svn://subversion.palm.com/main/nova/palm/media/dev/mediaplugins/palmaacdemux/submissions;module=24;proto=http Jun 21 08:37:03 Package: palmaacdemux Jun 21 08:39:33 night all Jun 21 08:39:52 http://www.fileqube.com/shared/bPEqxSv1469010 Jun 21 08:40:07 http://www.fileqube.com/shared/ZjvMKefQ1469013 Jun 21 08:40:48 that's a subversion repo address Jun 21 08:40:55 do i download it and then..? Jun 21 08:41:04 http://fqd03.livedepot.net/1469013/Z5UYZRSP4X/s01_311adf377aa714315c616f76277ad399_5477838/camera-control.js Jun 21 08:41:39 http://fqd03.livedepot.net/1469010/MK5STMZVN/s01_339f3ce9242b28d53382a76cb233151a_5477851/camera.css Jun 21 08:42:23 ok night Jun 21 08:42:25 http://fqd03.livedepot.net/1469011/PZTUKQ25TJ7/s01_a55efdec387c9908443b0c2e29a45c4e_5477861/capture-assistant.js Jun 21 08:42:51 http://fqd03.livedepot.net/1469012/2VO2MZV/s01_f6ec1911aef4cc4daa8a7aeaffda3325_5477865/capture-scene.html Jun 21 08:43:31 oh dammit Jun 21 08:43:37 your files have dos line endings Jun 21 08:43:44 which makes diff impossible to use Jun 21 08:43:57 don't suppose you can dos2unix them Jun 21 08:44:25 Attention! File download limit for your IP address expired. Jun 21 08:44:31 pazookie, that is one useless website Jun 21 08:46:52 pazookie, i looked at thw first two Jun 21 08:46:54 they seem ok Jun 21 08:47:01 but I bet your prob is at capture-scene.html Jun 21 08:48:29 i made a new account Jun 21 08:48:38 lol Jun 21 08:48:39 hold up Jun 21 08:48:43 getting links Jun 21 08:49:28 http://fqd03.livedepot.net/1469024/TOZ9PM3533P/s01_0bbe4f9638f93a4ebb9c7f48eb0f951f_5477957/capture-scene.html Jun 21 08:49:35 which other one do u need Jun 21 08:50:02 doesn't matter, it won't let ME dl more Jun 21 08:50:09 i get to dl two files a day free Jun 21 08:50:12 just paste bin it Jun 21 08:50:27 that html file is not that big Jun 21 08:51:12
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Jun 21 08:51:44 no pasteBIN Jun 21 08:51:45 ugh Jun 21 08:51:50 * retry facepalms Jun 21 08:51:53 whats pasteBIN Jun 21 08:51:59 topic Jun 21 08:52:08 Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Jun 21 08:52:59 haha "facepalms" Jun 21 08:54:44 o think i found it myself Jun 21 08:54:47 i Jun 21 08:55:11 does anyone know of a list of global vars? Jun 21 08:56:20 or does anyone know how to access accelerometer data? Jun 21 08:59:52 ok i got the flash back Jun 21 09:00:04 but still timer icon is on the left and nothing on the right Jun 21 09:02:54 hi Jun 21 09:03:21 hey Jun 21 09:04:29 would there ever be a armv5 rom of webos created? Jun 21 09:19:06 fuck me I think I did it Jun 21 09:24:41 please do tell Jun 21 09:25:26 ported webOS to iphone 3gs? Jun 21 09:25:58 hahahaha Jun 21 09:26:00 pazookie: were those files you posted Palm's code or your code? Jun 21 09:26:19 i just copied the code in Jun 21 09:26:24 from where? Jun 21 09:27:01 i copied from the bworsr to a text file and from there to sftp's editor Jun 21 09:27:08 browser Jun 21 09:27:38 so it's Palm's code? Jun 21 09:28:01 i got sick of messin things up in putty or shell Jun 21 09:28:13 whats the difference? Jun 21 09:28:33 redistribution of Palm's code is a copyright violation, and is expressly forbidden in this channel. Jun 21 09:28:47 what about their kernel code? Jun 21 09:29:06 xsacha: that's GPL. webOS code is not open source, it is Palm copyright. Jun 21 09:29:27 (as are the code for Palm's apps, and the SDK) Jun 21 09:29:43 pazookie: please don't do it again. Jun 21 09:30:07 what did i do? Jun 21 09:30:16 im so lost Jun 21 09:30:23 you pasted a link to a redistribution of code that is copyrighted by Palm Inc. Jun 21 09:30:30 Please read http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy Jun 21 09:31:16 so that applies to their html files too? and javascript for interface? even though it's plain text? Jun 21 09:31:21 yes Jun 21 09:31:24 ohh ok Jun 21 09:31:48 The Berne Convention says that the copyright is implicit, and all rights are reserved, unless otherwise marked (e.g. marked as a GPL file). Jun 21 09:32:14 So if there is no GPL or other open source markings on a file, you simply cannot redistribute it. Jun 21 09:32:40 (especially not in this channel) Jun 21 09:33:21 so retry..anything? Jun 21 09:33:29 sftp help anyone? Jun 21 09:33:51 whats the prob Jun 21 09:33:58 uploading to my pre Jun 21 09:34:08 it says i dont have enough permission Jun 21 09:34:14 i have figured out how to make missed call notifications NOT have an alert sound Jun 21 09:34:35 while keeping system sound at any volume you want of course Jun 21 09:34:37 goto session at the top and the new session Jun 21 09:34:51 back Jun 21 09:34:55 hit advanced options Jun 21 09:35:02 im on mac Jun 21 09:35:07 imop, its not done yet Jun 21 09:35:13 just made it yesterday, takes 3 months to ferment Jun 21 09:35:16 err and condition Jun 21 09:35:25 nevermind he's gone Jun 21 09:35:28 im using cyberduck Jun 21 09:35:34 should i use a diff client? Jun 21 09:35:44 then under environm,ent and sftp make sure the server is sudo su -c /bin/sftp-server Jun 21 09:36:09 oops make that sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server Jun 21 09:36:25 there is no environment in cyberduck Jun 21 09:36:33 what are we working on right now.. i'm bored and just finished a long drawn out poker tournament and need something to do Jun 21 09:36:41 cyberduck? Jun 21 09:36:49 oh Jun 21 09:36:54 no clue Jun 21 09:37:24 what about forklift? Jun 21 09:37:25 o assum,ed u were using winscp Jun 21 09:37:53 but thats the ticket..thats what i was getting until i changed my sftp server to sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server Jun 21 09:38:09 dude i cant type Jun 21 09:38:13 lol Jun 21 09:38:20 i assumed* Jun 21 09:42:28 ok now starting a new poker tournament Jun 21 09:45:19 why does a who show 2 users logged in? one from yesterday and one current? Jun 21 09:45:28 even after a complete power down and restart Jun 21 09:45:47 the user from yesterday has a ? for idle time Jun 21 09:45:53 I can't seem to get rid of it. Jun 21 09:47:31 utmp Jun 21 09:49:44 can I just delete it? Jun 21 09:49:58 the file, that is Jun 21 09:51:26 sma, one is luna and one is you Jun 21 09:51:40 no, they both show my username Jun 21 09:51:47 ah Jun 21 09:51:48 one is from ssh over EVDO yesterday Jun 21 09:51:50 you can kill one Jun 21 09:51:52 ps aux Jun 21 09:51:53 and one is current Jun 21 09:51:54 and kill the bash Jun 21 09:52:02 I've rebooted it Jun 21 09:52:02 *need help with sftp on mac* Jun 21 09:52:14 complete power off and restart Jun 21 09:52:14 pazookie: Note that we have no problems with people posting diffs of their modifications to Palm files (even using "diff -u "). We just can't allow complete Palm files (even slightly modified ones) to be posted. Jun 21 09:52:15 <-- never used a mac never will use a mac.. sorry can't help u :) Jun 21 09:52:18 it still shows up. Jun 21 09:52:30 thx neway Jun 21 09:52:38 geeze people are playing like pussies tonight Jun 21 09:56:35 * rwhitby bbl Jun 21 09:58:23 I UNDERSTAND Jun 21 09:58:26 oops no caps Jun 21 09:59:19 ahhh, much better Jun 21 10:17:17 hi Jun 21 10:17:23 <<< bored Jun 21 12:42:56 * djbclark has gtk+directfb working, now for vala and vala-terminal (and getting the mouse to work under directfb generally...) Jun 21 13:47:23 djk: do you know why hidd is consuming the mouse? Jun 21 13:47:30 djbclark: Jun 21 13:49:17 tmzt: I'm actually just about to look at mouse/touchpad under directfb now; http://predev.wikidot.com/vala-terminal is now basically working. Jun 21 13:49:47 hah, we have kernel source now Jun 21 13:49:58 that should explain the locking Jun 21 13:50:18 along with stracing hidd Jun 21 13:50:29 (and I need touchpad to work to have a limited virtual onscreen keyboard to get to some less-use characters without torturous key combos; also going to see if I can get directfb to use the volume up/down and silverkeys) Jun 21 13:51:20 doe events work with hidd stopped? Jun 21 13:51:21 tmzt: yeah if someone has time at the moment they should totally try doing http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas Development Ideas #9 Jun 21 13:52:02 tmzt: I don't think hidd actually stops anything from working. Jun 21 13:52:45 tmzt: or at least it doesn't seem to matter with the keyboard; I mean it runs while LunaSysMgr is running as well, and LunaSysMgr doesn't have issues accessing I/O devices. Jun 21 13:53:14 what do you mean? Jun 21 13:53:28 I thought luna got the events from hidd Jun 21 13:54:44 tmzt: that would be.... weird. hidd is for bluetooth I thought. Does lsof show LunaSysMgr using /dev/event/* files directly? Jun 21 13:55:14 no Jun 21 13:55:15 tmzt: in any case you can just initctl stop something and it'll go away Jun 21 13:55:23 this hidd is something else Jun 21 13:55:41 It's not the same as http://linux.die.net/man/1/hidd ? Jun 21 13:55:55 we found that mount -a would kill all input because tmp was being remounted Jun 21 13:55:58 no Jun 21 13:56:03 fun Jun 21 13:56:08 that's part of bluez Jun 21 13:56:27 it doesn't appear bluez is even used on the pre Jun 21 13:56:48 hidd is some kind of multiplexer for input events Jun 21 14:02:41 tmzt: hmm interesting Jun 21 14:02:59 * djbclark looks to see if it's on the opensource page or is otherwise free software... Jun 21 14:09:48 tmzt: hmm yeah looks like something palm-specific with no source code... http://webos.pastebin.com/m2a02d4ce Jun 21 14:43:33 helol Jun 21 14:43:34 hello Jun 21 14:44:23 good morning Jun 21 14:47:04 tmzt: /b 58 Jun 21 14:52:09 Hmm... so LunaSysMgr directly uses /var/tmp/hidd/TouchpanelEventSocket and hidd uses /dev/touchscreen and the /dev/input/event* files Jun 21 14:52:40 Anyone have any ideas about what proximity0 or keypad2 are/do? Jun 21 14:53:05 proximity0 probably detects your face during a call so you don't facedial Jun 21 14:54:41 Ajaxify: makes sense... wonder how that sensor works. Jun 21 14:54:48 proximity sensor has a frequency associated with it as well ... i wonder if you can modulate it so it can be a remote control Jun 21 14:59:21 good day mr gradient Jun 21 14:59:46 * bdumm waves @ bpadalino Jun 21 14:59:54 good day bdumm! Jun 21 15:00:04 how goes it? any new driver news? Jun 21 15:00:52 i believe i will work on that today .. and see if i can get the "execute command" working Jun 21 15:01:15 if you need helps, let me know Jun 21 15:01:26 i'm trying to install bunch o crap on my pre today Jun 21 15:01:52 what driver? Jun 21 15:02:25 linux Jun 21 15:02:31 pregame, rewrite of novacomd so linux can get in on the rooting action Jun 21 15:02:41 i thought one was made Jun 21 15:02:48 * bdumm rolls eyes Jun 21 15:02:58 * PreGame slaps bdumm around a bit with a large trout Jun 21 15:02:59 one is written by palm .. but hasn't been released Jun 21 15:03:03 dont roll your eyes at me Jun 21 15:03:13 PreGame, don't make me get out the dead fish Jun 21 15:03:16 oh, i thought the community created one Jun 21 15:03:26 pregame, it doesn't quite work yet - it's close tho Jun 21 15:03:31 ahhh Jun 21 15:03:32 unless someone else did it Jun 21 15:03:50 i'm headed to the lake then when i get back i need to work on executing shell commands without having to use a shell script Jun 21 15:03:59 i can't figure out why the biatch aight workin Jun 21 15:04:59 how do you execute shell commands w/o an exec() or whatever? Jun 21 15:05:11 well i am using the exec() Jun 21 15:05:19 bt it doesn't want to take the commands raw Jun 21 15:05:35 like i ran exec(path/to/shell.sh) Jun 21 15:05:39 and it works fine Jun 21 15:06:04 but doing an exec(with the text in the .sh file) doesn't want to work Jun 21 15:06:07 i use IPC::Run in perl and pretend to be a shell Jun 21 15:06:16 lol Jun 21 15:06:35 i created a system-service for the pre to exec commands Jun 21 15:06:43 that way we can execute files via javascript Jun 21 15:07:25 ic Jun 21 15:10:19 did pregame ever get his flashlight app out? Jun 21 15:11:40 Pregame is the source posted yet? Jun 21 15:12:16 there's a zip now in the forum post so I'm getting that Jun 21 15:13:00 im working on getting ipkg files to install, i can install self made ipkg files using the /usr/bin/ipk-opt right now... Jun 21 15:16:59 tharris: Yes its in the original post Jun 21 15:17:20 i dont have a linux system so i can't create ipkg files Jun 21 15:17:51 PreGame: virtualbox et al? Jun 21 15:18:00 i have cygwin Jun 21 15:18:23 PreGame: sorry I'm saying you can just run linux under some virtual machine if you want to play with ipkg Jun 21 15:18:43 any good idea's for a good virtual machine Jun 21 15:18:57 free Jun 21 15:19:26 PreGame: virtualbox is probably easiest Jun 21 15:19:39 http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jun 21 15:19:46 ubuntu Jun 21 15:19:52 all easy Jun 21 15:20:21 ipkg is easy to use http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187331-installing-homebrew-apps-w-out-rooting-2.html postt 33 Jun 21 15:20:54 i can install packages using the internal ipkg, but i want to take flipflops idea further with finding out how to sign packages and install from remote without rooting Jun 21 15:22:07 tharris: have we actually confirmed there is some kind of signing mechanism? Jun 21 15:22:35 whats the signature file like on the signed packages ? Jun 21 15:22:49 md5 with RSA Jun 21 15:23:14 Signature Algorithm: md5WithRSAEncryption Jun 21 15:23:14 Issuer: O=Palm, OU=DTS/emailAddress=pdn@palm.com, L=Sunnyvale, ST=CA, C=US, CN=webOS Jun 21 15:23:52 if you guys have any issues installing the app let me know soon as im about to head to the lake Jun 21 15:24:24 tharris, so the installer just knows to trust palm as an issuer, checks the signature and then installs ? Jun 21 15:24:25 i am shocked it lets u install the ipkg locally as well, doesnt seem i needed signed code Jun 21 15:24:45 seems like so far, i did find he the palm.crt on the os that could be of some use Jun 21 15:25:25 what happens if you add your own cert and sign a package yourself ? does it just iterate over all certificates in the directory ? Jun 21 15:25:27 i am going to try and sign my own package and see if it installs it Jun 21 15:25:45 tharris: what is the application that actually evaluates the signature? Jun 21 15:25:46 not sure what to use Jun 21 15:25:57 djb: that i am not sure of Jun 21 15:26:10 that* Jun 21 15:26:28 i have never signed packages before so will take a little Jun 21 15:26:35 anyone have an url describing the features in webkit on webos? Jun 21 15:26:49 I'd like to handle events like touch start/end like I do in my iphone app Jun 21 15:27:38 should i do debian 5 Jun 21 15:27:45 debian is fine Jun 21 15:27:52 ubuntu is debian Jun 21 15:27:54 same thing Jun 21 15:28:34 tharris: where did you find the certificate ? Jun 21 15:30:24 i fond ssl certs... Jun 21 15:30:35 just havent opened em yet to see if they match Jun 21 15:30:46 just do "find / -name *crt*" Jun 21 15:31:54 gotcha Jun 21 15:32:19 Can anyone point me to the keep awake script please? Jun 21 15:32:30 don't you just need to stop powerd ? Jun 21 15:32:42 Is that all? Jun 21 15:32:56 dont thing that they would include the private keys =p least i hope not Jun 21 15:32:58 pretty sure Jun 21 15:33:12 tharris: no - they don't .. you won't be able to spoof being from palm Jun 21 15:33:20 Has anyone seen an "out of memory" error when trying to update or install new apps???? Jun 21 15:33:24 but you could create your own .. and maybe it would read it since it's in the /etc/ssl/certs dir ? Jun 21 15:33:38 thats what i am thinking Jun 21 15:34:05 then we make a generic "APP" cert for everyone to sign with Jun 21 15:34:07 cold make it fun Jun 21 15:34:57 webos internals cert Jun 21 15:36:06 making a gpg cert and mucking, bbiab Jun 21 15:36:13 good luck Jun 21 15:36:21 will rock if it works =p Jun 21 15:36:49 killall powerd? Jun 21 15:37:05 initctl stop powerd i thought ? Jun 21 15:37:07 but i forgot Jun 21 15:37:19 bbl Jun 21 15:37:20 ok. i was looking for init.d scripts, not seeing what I expected Jun 21 15:40:04 wth i have to have bootable media to create a vm? Jun 21 15:40:07 Anyone know if anyone is working to get the wiki search up? Jun 21 15:43:40 the vm box is asking for bootable medai for ubuntu Jun 21 15:47:56 anyone know the dbus for applicationManager to get processId's of running apps? Jun 21 15:50:17 grab vmplayer, grab a Ubunto VM for download = profit Jun 21 15:52:25 Damn palm's linux 2.6.24 patch is 9.6M (!) Jun 21 15:52:42 is there an update Jun 21 15:52:47 djbclark: can you post a link for the patch Jun 21 15:57:37 wirelessdreamer: it's just up on their site - http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html - trying to figure out what the touchscreen is atm.... Jun 21 15:58:18 ah just looking at the config.gz does it... CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_CY8MRLN=y Jun 21 16:00:40 djbclark, find Palm makes it easier, patch to patch... Jun 21 16:00:59 or other finds i guess Jun 21 16:01:19 one more monolithic file from Palm... :) Jun 21 16:04:50 djbclark: Thanks Jun 21 16:10:17 wirelessdreamer: wanna write a CY8MRLN driver for gpm after getting that? ;-) Jun 21 16:11:00 I don't have a pre at this point, torn between liking th sw stack on the pre, and the hardware that'll be in the htc touch pro 2 Jun 21 16:11:15 looks like its an oss sound driver instead of alsa though Jun 21 16:11:32 wirelessdreamer, will you "have fun" with the touch pro 2? Jun 21 16:11:41 or as much fun as with the pre? Jun 21 16:11:45 linux runs on the touch pro Jun 21 16:11:54 just with no wifi/bt/data =( Jun 21 16:12:04 sounds like lots of no fun to me :) Jun 21 16:12:06 I just hate the keyboard on the pre Jun 21 16:12:12 its not that bad Jun 21 16:12:13 and wish it was higher res Jun 21 16:12:20 you ain't going to code etc in it Jun 21 16:12:23 i had a treo 300 and have a 650 for work Jun 21 16:12:28 but its alright, even with my big thumbs Jun 21 16:12:36 i've got a zaurus now, and i've coded on it before Jun 21 16:12:43 I just wanted to go down to one device Jun 21 16:12:44 make your own onscreen keyboard Jun 21 16:13:01 i really don't comprehend why no one has made the keyboard app yet Jun 21 16:13:12 i mean it has to be brain dead easy, ie check the calculator Jun 21 16:13:19 I wrote http://joy2chord.sourceforge.net/ and will port it to the pre if I get one Jun 21 16:13:43 if the uinput module is added to a feed it'll be dead simple Jun 21 16:14:46 bdum: a simple "typewriter app" with an onscreen keyboard would be easy. But getting it called up as an overlay to currently running apps is something different Jun 21 16:14:51 problem is i'd have to build a bt keyboard, unless someone figures how to turn the mini usb port into a usb host port Jun 21 16:16:21 Kaerey, why not follow the usb "just charge/etc." example? Jun 21 16:16:40 even with forms, have the keyboard below and the form above? Jun 21 16:16:51 just tossing out ideas... Jun 21 16:16:57 overlay is the only way to go imo Jun 21 16:17:12 all the example code you need is in joy2chord if you use the unput module Jun 21 16:17:29 *uinput Jun 21 16:17:31 well then follow the alpha/channel whatever thingy for the main 5 app launcher Jun 21 16:17:32 that's in the notification area. It might work, it would already have the screen resize stuff as well. Jun 21 16:17:36 * bdumm doesn't know what it's called Jun 21 16:17:57 the 5 app launcher is overlayed right? Jun 21 16:18:29 could even make smaller keyboards Jun 21 16:18:43 ie like how crackberry has their two letters per key thingy Jun 21 16:19:11 ie multi-tap but without the 4+ letter crap per key well cept for those power multi-tap users... Jun 21 16:19:33 those people just amaze me :) Jun 21 16:19:55 wirelessdreamer, so all you need for your setup is for Palm to install uinput in the kernel? Jun 21 16:20:11 and find a way to interface a /dev/input/js* device Jun 21 16:20:15 bt would be easiest Jun 21 16:20:21 bt =? Jun 21 16:20:26 bluetooth useing a sixaxis pad Jun 21 16:20:32 oh gotcha Jun 21 16:20:40 * bdumm is slow on his acronyms.... Jun 21 16:20:45 it could be recoded to use gpio's though Jun 21 16:20:56 and remap input buttons to chorded input Jun 21 16:21:01 bdumm: I think probably because it's nonobvious how to do anything other than webapp-ajaxy-type apps under luna, and there doesn't seem to be a driver for the touchpad outside of luna yet... Jun 21 16:21:28 using uinput will send keyboard commads right to the kernel to whatever app has focus Jun 21 16:21:41 djbclark, i guess just within luna/mojo/etc. it doesn't seem to hard either... Jun 21 16:21:48 bdumm: but calculator runs in a seperate card... do we have any clue how to right gui stuff that's visable in multiple places? Jun 21 16:22:12 well as i pointed out earlier, all i am pointing out is how various other apps works Jun 21 16:22:16 side note, anyone here try to run any dojo based apps on the pre? Jun 21 16:22:27 ie usb cable plug in->screen shorten resize code is where ??? Jun 21 16:22:39 wirelessdreamer: freedom input makes a decent small bt kb (esp. the older one which you can still get on ebay sometimes) Jun 21 16:23:06 and the notification etc code is there already, and overlay is the same as the 5 app launcher thingy Jun 21 16:23:11 what is that called, anyone? Jun 21 16:23:27 any idea why bible gateway is on this list? (http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons-collection) it streams only via flash and real audio; neither which the pre support Jun 21 16:23:40 djbclark: i'd be looking at building something thats chorded so I could use the device in 1 hand still Jun 21 16:23:47 dk0r, rtsp? Jun 21 16:23:53 Hey, would someone be able to run dbus-util and watch what message is sent when you plug / unplug headphones? Jun 21 16:24:01 bdumm: I think we must have at least verified ability to use non-palm linux modules now, since the optware page was modified to include the linux modules repo. Jun 21 16:24:08 bdumm, I see no rtsp links on their site. do you ? Jun 21 16:24:26 My pre has decided that I permanently have headphones plugged in and has disabled my earpiece >.< Jun 21 16:24:45 dk0r, didn't look, just guessing :) Jun 21 16:24:47 wirelessdreamer: ah cool, I'll need to go look into uinput... Jun 21 16:24:56 hrm... Jun 21 16:25:07 bsiegel, try rebooting? Jun 21 16:25:32 wirelessdreamer: ah like the ill-fated twiddler III :) Jun 21 16:25:51 bdumm: Yeah I hoped that would fix it :( Must be cached somewhere. I might go hunting for it, but I thought if I could find the right message it would be a lot easier Jun 21 16:26:00 here are some uinput docs that helped me get started http://www.einfochips.com/download/dash_jan_tip.pdf Jun 21 16:26:05 can i telnet into a rooted pre from windows 7 w/ write access? Jun 21 16:26:33 bsiegel, sometimes i just give up, you can always reboot in the Pre for some satisfaction... lol Jun 21 16:27:01 bsiegel, i seem to have the most issues with the Pre and audio Jun 21 16:27:24 evil oss >=| Jun 21 16:27:38 haven't been able to consistantly recreate the problems yet, but certain events/audio handoffs seem to make things br0k3n... Jun 21 16:29:33 palm did reset my /etc/profile with the 1.0.3 update.... :\ Jun 21 16:30:41 anyone have a dump of /proc/config.gz? Jun 21 16:33:17 wirelessdreamer: I can stick one somewhere, sec... Jun 21 16:34:16 bdumm: ach, fixed it finally by just frantically jamming the headphone plug in and out like a retard Jun 21 16:35:31 wirelessdreamer: http://dclark.us/palm-pre/txt/ Jun 21 16:36:00 webchat.freenode.net would be great on the pre if the browser could be tricked into running at like 480x320... Jun 21 16:36:38 Has anyone looked at the app catalog to see if we could access the data it is pulling and make a browsable web version of the app catalog? Jun 21 16:37:24 Kaerey: I think someone was running wireshark to see what it actually does last night, don't know how far they got oh. Jun 21 16:38:02 I ask.. because I'm too lazy to reach over and pull my pre off the touchstone to look at the catalog for updates. Kind of comfy on the couch with the laptop. Jun 21 16:40:11 looks like there is an alsa driver for the pre, anyone try alsamixer yet? Jun 21 16:40:30 palm opam alsa driver shows up in menuconfig Jun 21 16:43:49 support for host side usb is enabled in the kernel, anyone plug in a keyboard and type dmesg to see if it shows up? Jun 21 16:54:15 * djbclark notes that the per-device plugins for http://tslib.berlios.de/ are really short C programs and wishes he had more C clue... Jun 21 16:54:33 Kaerey theres not been an addition to the catalog in a week. Jun 21 16:55:28 wirelessdreamer: I can try out a keyboard, but first I'm guessing need to disable whatever looks for insertion events on that port and pops up the what do you want to do (charge / media sync / usb drive) dialog... Jun 21 16:58:50 I don't think a listening daemon will intercept before dmesg says what it sees Jun 21 16:59:41 * djbclark reailized he doesn't have the proper converter at his current location Jun 21 17:03:38 Im back at it today, I launched putty but I'm getting an error saying that /bin/sh: not found... ? Jun 21 17:05:32 djbclark: looks like udev rules are handling device insert/removal Jun 21 17:06:20 SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{bInterfaceClass}=="03", ATTRS{bInterfaceProtocol}=="01", ENV{ID_CLASS}="kbd" Jun 21 17:06:28 that rule already exists Jun 21 17:09:17 P.S. I'm using novaproxy Jun 21 17:18:19 wirelessdreamer: USB host, really? Jun 21 17:19:05 I'm sure you'll need a voltage injector (though maybe a powered hub might work) -- I really doubt that the phone will supply power to the potr Jun 21 17:19:06 port Jun 21 17:20:58 destinal: i'm just going from the kernel source on palm's site Jun 21 17:21:09 I don't have the hardware yet to test with Jun 21 17:23:44 Where are the luna files at? Jun 21 17:24:52 /usr/lib/luna Jun 21 17:25:05 /usr/lib/ipkg/info/luna* Jun 21 17:25:22 /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.*luna* Jun 21 17:26:10 ah ty Jun 21 17:26:57 find . -name "*luna*" will show you from the root fs location as well Jun 21 17:29:40 sweet ty. I'm still semi new with linux Jun 21 17:30:13 I write embedded programs for it at work... but I never really have to use it in its full. Jun 21 17:30:41 I really want to find a way to hide that quick launch bar Jun 21 17:31:16 the pre should give you some fun things to try ;) Jun 21 17:32:26 I'm hoping so. Only really been working with Linux for 6 months. I'm using a stupid version called "LTIB" I believe for a coldfire processor and its horrible slow. Jun 21 17:38:59 ha...just telnet'd into my pre for the first time \o/ Jun 21 17:39:17 that was surprisingly easy...and even Vista is behaving Jun 21 17:39:26 in ajaxphpterm or webshell can you ssh out to another server and/or view screen properly? Jun 21 17:39:33 attach screen properly Jun 21 18:08:42 happy fathers day to those it applies to Jun 21 18:09:04 :) Jun 21 18:11:07 anyone else run into "can't open new cards" dismiss unused cards to free memory? Jun 21 18:11:52 can someone pastebin of 'find /dev' on a rooted pre for me Jun 21 18:12:04 sure Jun 21 18:14:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/m2fe31153 Jun 21 18:14:35 sorry that took so long Jun 21 18:14:46 has anyone tried to start up an xserver yet? docs related to using a framebuffer in the kernel source tree are located at Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt Jun 21 18:14:51 Filefly: thanks Jun 21 18:15:07 sure Jun 21 18:16:54 anyone try to run minicom on /dev/ttyACM* devices? Jun 21 18:18:17 psykoz: yes but it's like having a dumb terminal; nothing curses will work. I have dbfterm and vala-terminal working and those work fine, but you have to stop the phone GUI first, and there is work to be done to make them more useful (eg there is no way to use the touchscreen from anything other than LunaSysMgr at this point as far as I know) Jun 21 18:18:30 that's what novacomd opens for supplying a terminal i thought Jun 21 18:19:17 wirelessdreamer: I assume X on DirectFB would work, but haven't played with it yet. Before anything window-y will work really need to write a /dev/touchpad module for tslib or gpm. Jun 21 18:20:10 s/will work/will work well with use of an actual pointing device/g Jun 21 18:21:11 wirelessdreamer: also complete find of rooted pre at dclark.us/palm-pre along with the packges currently available via optware Jun 21 18:22:13 http://dclark.us/palm-pre/txt/ rather Jun 21 18:23:21 big files Jun 21 18:23:44 bpadalino: I suppose I could gzip them, sec... Jun 21 18:24:16 well - would it save you bandwidht? or does the server know to compress and whatnot? Jun 21 18:24:46 bpadalino: k .bz2s are now there as well Jun 21 18:24:47 djbclark: the evdev driver might work under x as well Jun 21 18:24:52 nice Jun 21 18:25:04 bpadalino: I doubt you guys are going to flummox my badwidth Jun 21 18:25:21 oh, you've got a lot ? good! Jun 21 18:25:59 any idea how the pre does opengl es 1.1 on the fb? Jun 21 18:26:28 are we sure they're using the graphics processor or is doing opengl es ? Jun 21 18:26:43 the sprint specs say it supports opengl es 1.1 Jun 21 18:26:57 wirelessdreamer: I don't think anything is going to work without someone clueful writing about 50 lines of C code :) Jun 21 18:27:26 the chip supports it ... Jun 21 18:27:27 wirelessdreamer: TI OMAP3 support that natively Jun 21 18:27:41 I can't make an attempt for a few weeks till I get to pick one up Jun 21 18:27:58 but it doesn't have an xserver driver that supports that does it? Jun 21 18:28:54 wirelessdreamer: I'm thinking http://www.directfb.org/index.php?path=Projects%2FXDirectFB -- which could use tslib or gpm modified to support the cypress touchscreen. Jun 21 18:29:08 ohhh the 3D Jun 21 18:29:46 I don't know if either directfb or native would support that, no. I would guess native would, as I think people use that with the beagleboard. Jun 21 18:30:26 and it'll need to be hacked, as the touchscreen extends off the screen Jun 21 18:30:30 for the guesture area Jun 21 18:30:32 and its multitouch Jun 21 18:30:39 . . . no clue here about any of that Jun 21 18:30:51 according to http://www.mail-archive.com/directfb-users@directfb.org/msg08492.html directfb may support opengl on it as well Jun 21 18:32:12 wirelessdreamer: do you know what the equivalent of "hexdump /dev/input/xxxx" would be for a socket device? hidd looks at the /dev/touchscreen character device, does something, and then sends that to a socked device LunaSysMgr uses. Jun 21 18:36:10 have you looked at the kernel patch ? Jun 21 18:36:47 wirelessdreamer: apperantly MT isn't in linux until 2.6.30 - http://www.lii-enac.fr/en/projects/shareit/linux.html - but I'm guessing you aren't *forced* to implelemt multitouch if you were to write a module for tslib or gpm. Jun 21 18:36:48 socked device? Jun 21 18:36:58 wirelessdreamer: socket device, specifically: Jun 21 18:38:24 the main backhaul for the entire system uses dbus sockets Jun 21 18:39:04 arg some problem... anyway /var/tmp/hidd/TouchpanelEventSocket srwxr-xr-x or something like that Jun 21 18:41:06 xorg and sff aren't here are they? Jun 21 18:41:27 should they be ? Jun 21 18:41:37 trying to get packages installed Jun 21 18:41:43 need some info, wondering if someone can help Jun 21 18:42:00 what are you running into ? Jun 21 18:42:12 want to know what options it passes to openssl when it verified the sig Jun 21 18:42:21 see my last comment at the bottom here Jun 21 18:42:22 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1699315&posted=1#post1699315 Jun 21 18:42:32 replace openssl with a script that catches the options passed to it Jun 21 18:42:42 djbclark: i'm just familiar with working on device files and network sockets, i'd be interested to know what you find for socketed devices Jun 21 18:42:51 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1699315&posted=1#post1699298 Jun 21 18:43:02 I don't have a pre, so can't test this Jun 21 18:43:17 wirelessdreamer, it's all dbus sockets Jun 21 18:43:43 ah Jun 21 18:44:39 i don't know much about signing packages or what software to use to do it .. Jun 21 18:45:08 hey, can someone give me commit access to the gitorious hub? Jun 21 18:45:25 md5sum PackageName ? Jun 21 18:46:09 emkman, you can create your own account on gitorious - fork the project you want to commit .. then request a merge, right ? Jun 21 18:46:22 well i want a new project Jun 21 18:46:39 and i want it under webos-internals Jun 21 18:46:44 i am not very familiar with hosted git Jun 21 18:47:01 oh - rwhitby is the only person who can add your stuff Jun 21 18:47:04 i use svn professionally Jun 21 18:47:05 ok Jun 21 18:47:18 djbclark: https://fedorahosted.org/d-feet/ dbus dbugger, may help Jun 21 18:47:26 its the usbnet driver for windows, might not need source control but i dont know if any modifications could improve it Jun 21 18:47:27 wirelessdreamer: thx Jun 21 18:47:48 doesn't support sniffing yet though Jun 21 18:47:55 i've got no hands on with dbus Jun 21 18:49:12 emkman, i'd suggest making your own repo on gitorious - and we can pull it in when rwhitby gets back ? Jun 21 18:49:29 sounds good Jun 21 18:49:42 djbclark, there is a utility by palm included called dbus-util Jun 21 18:49:45 where you can sniff the bus Jun 21 18:49:49 i just gotta install git for windows now, lol Jun 21 18:49:51 using the --capture command Jun 21 18:54:17 rootfs 441.7M 440.3M 1.4M 100% / Jun 21 18:54:28 yowza Jun 21 18:54:41 tharris: are you here? Jun 21 18:58:19 yeah Jun 21 18:58:27 sup Jun 21 18:58:38 ? Jun 21 18:59:43 I'm thetoad Jun 21 18:59:52 yeah thought so Jun 21 18:59:54 you can create a package manually? Jun 21 18:59:59 yes Jun 21 19:00:02 and install it? Jun 21 19:00:05 see my latest post Jun 21 19:00:13 im about to jet, but i will be back in a few.. Jun 21 19:00:15 see if you can configure web server to set the mime type correctly Jun 21 19:00:20 yeah i can install locally, the email links arent working Jun 21 19:00:38 right Jun 21 19:00:43 I'm saying it oculd be a mime type issue Jun 21 19:00:47 hmm Jun 21 19:00:52 what does wget say the mime type is? Jun 21 19:01:00 one sec Jun 21 19:01:34 u know what i think ur right Jun 21 19:01:54 cuase wheni reference it through emails, it asks to download it, when i do it for the speed brain, it displays it correctly Jun 21 19:02:11 it could still be a signing issue Jun 21 19:02:18 but want to nail things down Jun 21 19:02:48 AddType application/x-debian-package .ipk to apache might help Jun 21 19:03:27 yeah im with you, but ipkg doesnt care about signing and i tried installing just a bash script outside of luna and it worked brb Jun 21 19:09:28 @shaya: downloading my created package doesnt work. I then download the real Speed b Jun 21 19:09:39 greetings Jun 21 19:09:42 brain program and uploaded it to my webserver and i still have the same issue Jun 21 19:09:43 hola sff Jun 21 19:09:52 with the modified types? Jun 21 19:10:01 and wget verified that the mime type is correct? Jun 21 19:10:07 yes you need to send the mime type for debian Jun 21 19:10:08 sff: I'm thetoad Jun 21 19:10:21 hi toad Jun 21 19:10:35 no cause wife is yelling at me to go =p, but i can download the "rea;" brain package and it works fine, but i will double check when i get back in an hour Jun 21 19:10:38 it used to work with application/x-binary Jun 21 19:10:42 so it appears openssl is getting passed the data to be verfified over stdin? Jun 21 19:10:50 yes it is Jun 21 19:11:08 that's annoying Jun 21 19:11:11 Anyone else do this mod? http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods and experiencing problems opening conversations from the dashboard notification? Jun 21 19:11:44 regardless of how we get the packages onto the pre they will need to be signed Jun 21 19:12:08 simplyflipflops: right, but self signed might work Jun 21 19:12:11 if you add your own cert to the /etc/ssl/certs directory, will it verify against it ? Jun 21 19:12:18 as openssl dgst will say it passes Jun 21 19:12:24 just have to figure out form of the signature file Jun 21 19:12:35 the older packages only had cert.pem Jun 21 19:12:42 but now they all have the sha1 files too Jun 21 19:12:50 that's why they updated the apps Jun 21 19:12:58 cert.pem doesn't verify anything Jun 21 19:13:10 I would assume palm is forcing signature check with the first or second webOS update Jun 21 19:13:19 I believe it just helps with the pki Jun 21 19:13:30 hmm Jun 21 19:13:30 i don't think the cert.pem is needed for IPK Jun 21 19:13:31 good point Jun 21 19:13:35 webos doctor is 1.00 Jun 21 19:13:40 which is all I'm dealing with Jun 21 19:13:47 is there's an updated webos dcotor? Jun 21 19:13:54 yes but that oesn't help non rooted people who have already updated Jun 21 19:14:09 I see Jun 21 19:14:10 is there a 1.03 webos doctor? Jun 21 19:14:23 so I can see what's the latest Jun 21 19:14:26 maybe I can mail you a link to older packages that dont have signaures and you can test Jun 21 19:14:34 I dont have a pre Jun 21 19:14:34 if you're still on 1.0 Jun 21 19:14:38 oh Jun 21 19:14:44 I can just do what I see in the web os doctor Jun 21 19:14:49 that makes things more challenging Jun 21 19:14:51 :) Jun 21 19:14:53 exactly Jun 21 19:15:07 441.7M 441.7M 0 100% / damn.... Jun 21 19:15:09 you could always use web doctor to reflash your pre back down to 1.0 and try it out Jun 21 19:15:18 bdumm, what did you install ? Jun 21 19:15:25 yes. but that's more work than I want to do right now Jun 21 19:15:26 what I'd want is a file system image from an updated pre Jun 21 19:15:27 * bdumm grins you don't wanna know Jun 21 19:15:36 :( Jun 21 19:15:43 but I don't think we're necc allowed to talk about that :) Jun 21 19:15:58 talk about what, shaya ? Jun 21 19:16:20 i coulnd't even figure out how to run web docter and get my pre back to default Jun 21 19:16:22 bdumm: I did the same thing ;-( Had to plurge ipkg junk for hours to free up 100mb Jun 21 19:16:48 czarphanguye, i already have many rm targets in mind :) Jun 21 19:17:04 bpadalino: giving me a dump of the 1.03 pre filesystme Jun 21 19:17:13 its one thing to get it from palm I assume Jun 21 19:17:17 *cough* don't install vlc *cough* Jun 21 19:17:21 another thing for someone to put a tarball up for me Jun 21 19:17:26 gotcha Jun 21 19:17:53 Anyone using ajaxphpterm and logged in as something besides nobody? Jun 21 19:18:12 II honestly think palm is smart for signing the packages Jun 21 19:18:47 czarphanguye: I'm on as root Jun 21 19:19:00 flare576: how? Jun 21 19:19:13 I didn't tweak the basic install in the slightest Jun 21 19:19:26 o'rly? Mm Jun 21 19:20:19 czarphanguye: check step 3 again Jun 21 19:20:20 czarphanguye, btw did you find any easy ipkg remove crap? Jun 21 19:21:11 woohoo 2.7M Jun 21 19:21:34 bdumm: Nope. Other then browsing /opt/bin /opt/share etc.. then atleast had a package name to remove Jun 21 19:21:51 So, has anyone done the messaging mod for separate windows and had a problem after opening a message from dashboard? Jun 21 19:22:04 python took up a big chunk Jun 21 19:22:43 flare576: have not done that mod Jun 21 19:23:15 czarphanguye: well, it's actually really awesome when it works: every convo in it's own window makes switching fast and easy... you know, the way it's supposed to be. Jun 21 19:23:42 simplyflipflops: I'm just not sure there's anything that prevents a self signed package from being installed Jun 21 19:23:45 unfortunately, it seems like opening a window from the dashboard doesn't generate a unique ID, and I was hoping there was a fix before I start digging into that app as my first moding experience :/ Jun 21 19:23:57 flare576: thanks for the recom. Seems like a good idea so twitter sms can stay open while chattting. Jun 21 19:24:14 czarphanguye: exactly. Jun 21 19:24:37 perhaps Jun 21 19:24:40 doesn't seem like anyone is familiar with that problem... looks like I have my first project :( Jun 21 19:24:47 flare576: btw, +1 follower now ;-) Jun 21 19:25:18 the folder directory is stored in those files, when I modify everything in a package with a cert and sha1 file and add my content ipk coughs and sayus that another application already has that name space Jun 21 19:25:38 simplyflipflops: yes, that's normal Jun 21 19:25:39 czarphanguye: not gonna lie, little creepy Jun 21 19:26:07 flare576: a bit, sure. Jun 21 19:26:16 czarphanguye: Follow'd Jun 21 19:27:24 there are two certs inside the ipk file, cert.pem and pukey.pem Jun 21 19:27:41 pubkey.pem* Jun 21 19:28:05 yes Jun 21 19:28:13 long shot here. anyone know if there is a gps device created with nema data being outputted? Jun 21 19:28:15 cert.pem is probably part of the public key infrastructure Jun 21 19:28:26 right Jun 21 19:28:27 flare576: thanks for the follow and tip about ajaxphpterm. I see now that you have /opt/etc/thttpd.conf set to run the entire httpd as root. I still have this at user=nobody. Jun 21 19:28:29 pubkey.pem is part of a private/public key pair that is specific to a developer I'd guess Jun 21 19:28:36 and the signature.sha1 is 512 bytes Jun 21 19:28:41 which they use to create the signature.sha1 file Jun 21 19:28:45 right Jun 21 19:29:02 but I dont know how they create the signature.sha1 file Jun 21 19:29:07 so unless we cna create out own pub/priv key and sign the ipk file we are in trouble =p Jun 21 19:29:10 yeah same Jun 21 19:29:12 what the order othe bytes they stream to create the sha1 file Jun 21 19:29:18 tharris: but thats possible Jun 21 19:29:22 it is Jun 21 19:29:26 we can create with openssl a public/private key pair Jun 21 19:29:29 czarphanguye: no problem man. Gotta head out, time to meet the roommate's former mother-in-law and kid... this might be awkward lol Jun 21 19:29:35 it just wont be part of the pki Jun 21 19:29:40 but unless we get the signature file form factor dont matter heh Jun 21 19:29:56 the order the bytes are streamed to the hash function yes Jun 21 19:30:09 I can't seemto verify it for the speed brain Jun 21 19:30:25 do you need links to more packages? Jun 21 19:30:27 i would get its signed with a private key some how Jun 21 19:30:28 would that help? Jun 21 19:30:50 simplyflipflops: it might help to change my script and have it dump stdin to a file Jun 21 19:31:01 see if we can match up the output contents to the files in the ipk Jun 21 19:31:06 yeah Jun 21 19:31:18 how were u redirecting it to stdout Jun 21 19:31:26 script on forum? i assume Jun 21 19:31:30 yes Jun 21 19:31:35 what is the output of openssl ? Jun 21 19:31:40 tell me how to mod... Jun 21 19:32:05 #!/bin/sh Jun 21 19:32:05 echo $@ > /tmp/output Jun 21 19:32:05 shift 1 $@ Jun 21 19:32:07 I am no linux guru Jun 21 19:32:16 alright Jun 21 19:32:28 #!/bin/sh Jun 21 19:32:28 cat > /tmp/out.sh Jun 21 19:32:37 though not .sh Jun 21 19:32:42 in fact I am learning about all this linux stuff right now while doing all of this Jun 21 19:32:48 that would redirect the stdin to openssl command to stdout Jun 21 19:32:54 I mean to /tmp/out Jun 21 19:32:58 gotcha Jun 21 19:33:50 i will setup my server for teh packages when i get back and play with ssl on the phone when i get back to =p see ya in about an hour Jun 21 19:34:37 wait Jun 21 19:34:42 that's the script I already have Jun 21 19:34:56 not the same script Jun 21 19:35:02 resend it Jun 21 19:35:03 please Jun 21 19:35:03 b4 I outputed $@ which is all the cmd line options Jun 21 19:35:09 #!/bin/sh Jun 21 19:35:09 cat > /tmp/out.sh Jun 21 19:35:37 can you send it all from the beginning? Jun 21 19:35:46 it's jsut a 2 liner Jun 21 19:35:49 oh Jun 21 19:35:50 ok Jun 21 19:35:52 assuming you still have openssl.real Jun 21 19:36:01 yes Jun 21 19:36:03 just replace the old openssl script you made with the 2 liner Jun 21 19:36:09 here we don't call openssl Jun 21 19:36:11 we just ignore it Jun 21 19:36:30 but the idea is to see speed-brain's stdinput to it Jun 21 19:36:38 presumambly you cant paste that :) Jun 21 19:36:46 so gzip it and post it somewhere Jun 21 19:36:54 I assume you are com.lumoslabs.speed-brain_0.9.13_all_signed.ipkusing Jun 21 19:37:09 if i have installed ssh is it running all the time? Jun 21 19:37:20 and if so how can i turn it off when im not using it? Jun 21 19:37:27 ok I will use the speed brain ipk Jun 21 19:38:15 Aaron_: you wouldn't be able to turn it on if you turned it off ;) Jun 21 19:38:25 think about it Jun 21 19:38:30 its what lets you into the device Jun 21 19:38:35 if you cant get in, you cant turn it on Jun 21 19:38:59 couldn't i turn it on and off via novaterm Jun 21 19:39:21 that be a pain Jun 21 19:39:34 and why would you even need it then if you have access to novaterm Jun 21 19:39:39 the point of ssh it to avoid novaterm Jun 21 19:39:49 i thought it was to avoid wires Jun 21 19:40:02 well, that too I guess Jun 21 19:40:13 has anyone tried creating a gui for ssh Jun 21 19:40:20 like a gui toggle in sys prefs Jun 21 19:40:24 see webterm work on wiki Jun 21 19:40:38 and I dont see why you are so worried about it Jun 21 19:40:43 it wont use cpu time unless in use Jun 21 19:40:54 oh ok Jun 21 19:40:58 that was what i was worried about Jun 21 19:41:04 it just sits there blocked waiting for a connection Jun 21 19:41:06 i didnt want it draining my bat Jun 21 19:41:16 you can do a test with it Jun 21 19:41:21 but I really really doubt it will Jun 21 19:41:28 scaling works like a charm though, batt life went from a day to two days Jun 21 19:41:31 its awesome Jun 21 19:41:34 yes Jun 21 19:41:42 they are stupid for having a single clock speed Jun 21 19:41:44 and limiting top speed Jun 21 19:41:50 i know lol Jun 21 19:41:58 as faster speed might be hotter if run 100% but it lets work get done faster and go to sleep faster Jun 21 19:42:06 so save battery overall Jun 21 19:42:07 i run my max at 550 Jun 21 19:42:18 i.e. half speed doesnt' save half power, but takes twice as long Jun 21 19:42:19 and not much heat so far Jun 21 19:42:29 yup Jun 21 19:42:36 Aaron_: I'd expect the full 600 to be cooler overall at least with on demand Jun 21 19:42:52 i guess that makes sense. Jun 21 19:42:56 but I don't havea pre so remember, I can be talking out of my ass Jun 21 19:42:59 just regular linux experience Jun 21 19:43:10 i have no linux experience Jun 21 19:43:16 this is a whole new world Jun 21 19:43:18 and so far i like it Jun 21 19:44:02 mixing the linux based os with my (scant) knowledge of java, html, and css i dont think it would be too hard to creat a gui for openssh/sftp usage Jun 21 19:44:26 Aaron_: a bit harder than you might think Jun 21 19:44:37 true, being as it has not been done yet Jun 21 19:45:15 im not saying i could whip one up by tomorrow, but i am saying that w/ the aid of the sdk (when ever it comes out) deving for this phone should be cake Jun 21 19:45:30 Aaron_: I think it would need native support Jun 21 19:45:36 which would make it more difficult Jun 21 19:45:44 why? Jun 21 19:46:16 what i mean is why would it need native support make it more difficult? Jun 21 19:46:56 as webos doesn't give you file system access in the traditional sense Jun 21 19:47:04 can stop/start services on the underlying machine Jun 21 19:47:34 well that's just peachy Jun 21 19:47:49 I cannot get to USB mode when an update on the OS is pending Jun 21 19:48:08 is that cuz we just dont know how yet or just a de facto part of webOS Jun 21 19:48:29 would that knowledge be imparted when the sdk arrives? Jun 21 19:49:18 there MUST be a way to access the linus portion from within the javascript via proxy through luna Jun 21 19:49:43 why must there be ? Jun 21 19:49:52 whats the code for making a user with root access Jun 21 19:50:22 it doesn't have to exist. I would assume that it does Jun 21 19:50:33 Aaron_: I doubt it, but could be wrong Jun 21 19:50:35 looking forward to seeing these... Jun 21 19:50:40 Mojo.Event.send() Jun 21 19:50:52 we can figure out how to do it, but we would have to write native code to handle it Jun 21 19:51:15 its possible, its just not a simple task Jun 21 19:51:34 so for a linux noob its kind of impossible or just difficult Jun 21 19:51:36 what does the output of a good openssl verification look like? just return code being 0 ? Jun 21 19:51:37 if we wanted it integrated into mojo we'd really have to write out own dbus server program that did all this Jun 21 19:51:43 or is there stdout that says something ? Jun 21 19:51:51 shinali already did that, shaya Jun 21 19:51:54 using java Jun 21 19:51:59 and hooked it up into the dbus Jun 21 19:52:09 I have my out.sh zipped up Jun 21 19:52:33 trying to get it off the pre but can't mount my usb hd mode with this update Jun 21 19:52:37 bpadalino: Jun 21 19:52:37 shaya: do we know the javascript calls to stop/start services ? Jun 21 19:52:38 spotter@dent:/tmp$ openssl dgst -sha1 -verify mypubkey.pem -signature 2.sha1 data.tar.gz Jun 21 19:52:38 Verified OK Jun 21 19:52:38 hang on Jun 21 19:52:46 thanks Jun 21 19:53:01 spotter@dent:/tmp$ echo $? Jun 21 19:53:01 0 Jun 21 19:53:11 so yes, 0 is the impt thing it seems Jun 21 19:54:06 just going to try something silly right now .. Jun 21 19:54:13 simplyflipflops: in javascript you could always interface with say php code running on the local server to do whatever, no? Jun 21 19:54:18 and just echo that output to stdout Jun 21 19:54:24 spotter@dent:/tmp$ cat data.tar.gz control.tar.gz | openssl dgst -sha1 -sign mycert.pem -out 2.sha1 Jun 21 19:54:28 spotter@dent:/tmp$ cat data.tar.gz control.tar.gz | openssl dgst -sha1 -verify mypubkey.pem -signature 2.sha1 Jun 21 19:54:28 Verified OK Jun 21 19:54:49 bpadalino: yes, that could work Jun 21 19:54:50 but Jun 21 19:55:00 doesnt help non rooted phones Jun 21 19:55:01 or even better, we can install perl from optware, and do everything in it ;) Jun 21 19:55:30 Irs from my pre... Yeeaaa Jun 21 19:55:37 simplyflipflops: email attachment? Jun 21 19:55:39 Irc* Jun 21 19:56:05 simplyflipflops: I think the big annoyance is that there are entire classes of apps that will never work, like terminals and vnc viewers... I agree there must be some way of doing it, since obviously the youtube app isn't coded in pure javascript, and neither is like webkit... Jun 21 19:56:11 shaya, then they should grow some stones and root their phone :) Jun 21 19:56:14 Any one know where the code for the Systemmanager is at? Jun 21 19:56:34 how hard would it be to implement a GUI installer for opt packages Jun 21 19:56:36 bpadalino: the point is to make home brew apps that my mom can install Jun 21 19:56:39 or the format for making calls to the system manager? Jun 21 19:56:43 like cydia, or installer on ipod/iphone? Jun 21 19:57:10 shaya, why not release those apps directly on the palm app store ? Jun 21 19:57:41 bpadalino: lets say you want to create a native app Jun 21 19:57:49 with homebrew ipk's you can Jun 21 19:57:51 bpadalino: one example, do you really think palm will let apps go on the store that require a compiled c++ binary? Jun 21 19:57:58 Well,, what will the SDK allow? I mean we can already make packages without it Jun 21 19:58:02 a terminal would be real nice Jun 21 19:58:10 I would assume it will allow lower access to the OS Jun 21 19:58:13 in some way Jun 21 19:58:13 so grow some stones and root your phone ? Jun 21 19:58:21 Aaron_: IMHO since LunaSysMgr is closed-source I think it perhaps would make the most sense to come up with a good way to run it alongside other GUIs, perhaps at some point being able to replace it completly. Or hope that palm gets the hint wit android et al :) Jun 21 19:58:44 djbclark: lunasysmgr cant play nice with anything else Jun 21 19:58:44 lol Jun 21 19:58:49 it runs directly on the framebuffer Jun 21 19:59:01 dualboot pre? Jun 21 19:59:09 i believe you should be able to request the fb access from luna ... Jun 21 19:59:09 wouldn't have to reboot Jun 21 19:59:15 just shutdown luna Jun 21 19:59:17 is there anyway to crack LunaSysMgr open? Jun 21 19:59:17 start up x Jun 21 19:59:25 aaron, objdump Jun 21 19:59:31 thats freaking fantastic... I did the opposite of what I wanted to do... instead of making the quicklaunch hide... I made it show always in no matter what application i am in. Jun 21 19:59:43 shaya: There are some possible workarounds for that; hardware access can be abstracted. See http://predev.wikidot.com/dfbterm#toc7 Jun 21 19:59:47 i was going to ask that too Jun 21 20:00:08 is there anyway to hide the quick launch bar on the home screen? Jun 21 20:00:17 djbclark: though it doesnt help you in a webos way Jun 21 20:00:26 i.e. screen wont shrink temporarily on notification... Jun 21 20:00:41 Aaron: that is what I am working on... Jun 21 20:00:44 I cant find it Jun 21 20:00:54 sounds like you moved the quicklaunch icon out of its existing class? Jun 21 20:00:54 I see where they are making a Systemmanager call Jun 21 20:01:05 imo the holy grail would be x running over directfb with full opengl es 1.1 and compiz ;) Jun 21 20:01:06 shaya: since it's all dbus I'm guessing apps that do notifications in other GUI frameworks that are free software would be possible Jun 21 20:01:06 dang... keep on grindin Jun 21 20:01:25 nano-x or just x? Jun 21 20:01:33 djbclark: my personal take is that it end up ugly and more work than its worth, but I could be wrong Jun 21 20:01:37 I'm no expert Jun 21 20:01:44 i'd be fine with either Jun 21 20:01:45 what is x? (noob question) Jun 21 20:01:47 shaya: I'm obviously sort of biased due to my political outlook / employer, but IMHO writing free / open source software on a nonfree platform is a way to lose in the long term. Jun 21 20:01:57 I dislike nano-x so much... I use that at work... Jun 21 20:02:03 djbclark: who is your employer? Jun 21 20:02:04 google? Jun 21 20:02:18 Harris Corporation Jun 21 20:02:20 at that point we could use code a gui with clutter Jun 21 20:02:28 whatismyip Jun 21 20:02:29 shaya: also if it's obvious part of the community is looking to replace webos, that might encourage palm to just release it under GPL or BSD or whatever Jun 21 20:02:41 Ahchoo: you work for harris corp ? Jun 21 20:02:47 yup Jun 21 20:02:50 oh, i do too Jun 21 20:02:54 I personally think the best thing would be to come up with a browser plugin that provides an sdl like canvas that devs can use Jun 21 20:02:55 interesting Jun 21 20:02:58 Oh no way Jun 21 20:03:05 yeah, at rfcomm in rochester Jun 21 20:03:06 What buisness unit? Jun 21 20:03:08 I really like the interface webos provides, its just not x Jun 21 20:03:17 shaya: Free Software Foundation (but my activities w.r.t. the pre have nothing to do with that, I just really want a terminal that works well so I don't need to carry around a laptop when on call etc.) Jun 21 20:03:20 smaller and smaller world day after day Jun 21 20:03:26 oh Nice I am working at Broadcast Communication in Mason, Ohio Jun 21 20:03:27 :) Jun 21 20:03:47 Ahchoo: ah neat - we tried using some VHDL from BCD for NTSC decoding .. but it just didn't work well :( Jun 21 20:04:03 we needed a more robust decoder Jun 21 20:04:12 how do you like BCD ? Jun 21 20:04:31 Lol Well it was not me. I kind of just started there. I am a Co-Op who finishes school in about a year and they just offered me a part time job and a full one when I graduate Jun 21 20:04:44 I'm working with Embedded Linux. Jun 21 20:04:46 ok I have the zip Jun 21 20:04:54 I will PM you on precentral.net Jun 21 20:04:56 Ahchoo, cool - good luck there .. Jun 21 20:05:47 Thanks. I want to move around in the company though. I love every aspect of RF. Jun 21 20:06:10 wirelessdreamer: compiz == fail, but I don't think X should be too hard. getting directfb + lite, directfb + gtk up was pretty easy; just a matter of doing normal compiles for the most part. Just really need someone with C/Linux skillz to write a tslib module for the touchscreen :) Jun 21 20:06:28 Ahchoo: cool - better stay on topic in the channel tho .. you can feel free to take it to a msg if you want Jun 21 20:06:52 wirelessdreamer: s/fail/fail in general IMHO/g Jun 21 20:06:56 djbclark, what do you do for the fsf ? Jun 21 20:07:16 bpadalino: http://dclark.us/ Jun 21 20:07:34 bpadalino: sys admin - http://www.fsf.org/about/staff#danny - but this is also probably off topic. Jun 21 20:08:13 interesting Jun 21 20:08:26 djbclark: the only way I can think of to provide a good multitouch interface from the wm would be compiz Jun 21 20:08:37 I wish there was a headphone set, that had a remote built onto it for music control expansion Jun 21 20:08:51 UC berkeley Jun 21 20:08:53 hola Jun 21 20:10:44 hey Jun 21 20:11:03 djbclark: there are a few few tslib modules out there. Have you tried any of those? Jun 21 20:11:16 palm://com.pregame.prelease/runCmd Jun 21 20:11:28 runs shell commands Jun 21 20:11:32 djbclark: moreso to me then just a terminal, full ssh with a terminal, and public key support Jun 21 20:11:34 whoa Jun 21 20:11:39 just posted on precentral.net Jun 21 20:11:47 yeah - you need to install it as a service Jun 21 20:11:59 suppose that's old Jun 21 20:12:15 that's exactly what i was looking for Jun 21 20:12:20 Ahchoo: they are all for specific touchscreen drivers in linux, and the driver on the palm pre is new with the palm pre (the code is in the linux 2.6.24 patch on opensource.palm.com) Jun 21 20:12:36 simplyflipflops: did you email or pm me? Jun 21 20:12:50 niether yet Jun 21 20:14:15 can someone helpme i cant find a guide on how to enable roam only Jun 21 20:14:29 wirelessdreamer: well for ssh you can just use openssh or dropbear, don't think that's really an issue. I think I can make vala-terminal look nice, but in order to make it really useable probably want to have things like gestures doing arrow key stuff, maybe a small onscreen keyboard with keys not on the physical device, etc. Jun 21 20:15:56 tomy: http://forums.precentral.net/hardware-use-trouble-shooting/186071-pre-roam-only-hack-3.html#post1685820 Jun 21 20:16:24 en route Jun 21 20:17:23 i just run that command in nova and its patched Jun 21 20:17:55 yep Jun 21 20:18:14 ahhh damn... I thinking hiding the quicklaunch bar is going to be harder than I think. I can now make my hide... but some things make it reappear again Jun 21 20:18:20 Notifications make it reappear Jun 21 20:18:39 and going to card view make it reappear Jun 21 20:18:53 simplyflipflops: thanks Jun 21 20:19:03 it looks like its size of debian-binary control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz Jun 21 20:19:07 quesiton is what order :) Jun 21 20:19:11 only 6 possibilities Jun 21 20:20:06 shaya, what values are you talking about ? Jun 21 20:20:12 also everytime i edit usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/global-search-assistant.js for the global serch addons i screw it up someone how and i do it perfect ll the other filles i had to edit worked it just when i add the urls in there and the remove class part i reboot my fone the lauch and global serch just comes up with empty boxes what am i doing wrong Jun 21 20:20:24 bpadalino: the stdin to openssl sig verification Jun 21 20:20:48 Sweet the wave still works even with the quicklaunch hidden. I just need to make it not reappear. Jun 21 20:21:19 bam Jun 21 20:21:19 spotter@dent:/tmp$ cat control.tar.gz data.tar.gz debian-binary | openssl dgst -sha1 -verify pubkey.pem -signature signature.sha1 Jun 21 20:21:19 Verified OK Jun 21 20:21:20 verified Jun 21 20:21:30 simplyflipflops: thanks Jun 21 20:21:31 :) Jun 21 20:21:37 no problem Jun 21 20:22:51 someone help Jun 21 20:23:03 simplyflipflops: can you construct an ipk that installs manually via ipkg? Jun 21 20:24:02 now its time to test a self signed package :) Jun 21 20:24:19 excellent Jun 21 20:24:58 hey.. we could modify the email app to simply call the ipkg install routines with the com.pregame.prelease/runCmd Jun 21 20:25:12 that would do the ipkg install without the need for signatures Jun 21 20:25:13 btw, if you don't want ot root your pre but still put files on it - there is an ftp-like functionality associated with novacomd Jun 21 20:25:22 granted it would only work for rooted pres Jun 21 20:25:35 I'll start testing Jun 21 20:25:38 there is also a run command for novacomd Jun 21 20:25:59 the self signing is more elegant Jun 21 20:26:05 but in a pinch Jun 21 20:28:44 simplyflipflops: but doesn't help for non rooted :) Jun 21 20:28:51 installing ipkgs on rooted pres is easy Jun 21 20:29:03 the point is to try to install homebrew on non rooted Jun 21 20:29:07 or root it via an ipkg Jun 21 20:29:15 no need for developer mode or nova cmd Jun 21 20:29:24 would this be possible (I think it would, but want to hear from experts): modify the Pre to be able to use an external bluetooth GPS receiver, like the one I use with my Treo? Would be good for battery life, etc. Jun 21 20:29:45 sugardave: yes Jun 21 20:29:49 but battery life maybe not Jun 21 20:29:54 no? Jun 21 20:29:55 bluetooth might use similar power to gps Jun 21 20:29:59 ah Jun 21 20:30:00 good point Jun 21 20:30:28 on a rooted pre can easily pair it with a bluetooth gps (or so I assume based on people pairing for PAN) Jun 21 20:30:55 i am not sure if the bt uart is enabled Jun 21 20:31:21 ah, will try it from the shell. I've only tried from the GUI and it only wants to pair with phones so far Jun 21 20:31:24 how's the signing going? Jun 21 20:31:37 hmm Jun 21 20:31:50 simplyflipflops: delete my shell scripts Jun 21 20:31:54 put openssl.real back Jun 21 20:31:57 remove speed-brain Jun 21 20:32:11 and I'll give you a hacked speed-brain Jun 21 20:32:31 shaya: yes I can make an ipk that installs via ipkg Jun 21 20:32:40 sounds good Jun 21 20:34:05 ready to roll Jun 21 20:37:39 Anyone try to relocate /opt or other system folders to /media/internal? feedback? Jun 21 20:37:57 czarphanguye, i was going there next, but hadn't gotten there yet Jun 21 20:38:36 heh, system is spamming me on the evdo connection Jun 21 20:38:38 Broadcast message from root (Sun Jun 21 13:37:46 2009): Jun 21 20:38:38 powerd: System going to sleep now Jun 21 20:38:38 Broadcast message from root (Sun Jun 21 13:37:47 2009): Jun 21 20:38:38 powerd: System woke up. Jun 21 20:38:42 i fyou can live with not using your pre as a USB drive or doing any media transfers, then you can create a filesystem on /media/internal and mount it loopback Jun 21 20:38:47 otherwise, it won't work Jun 21 20:38:53 bdumm: seems like that would work, eh? Only fear is /media/internal get's umounted at an odd point. Jun 21 20:39:10 exactly czarphanguye - when you go into the usb modes Jun 21 20:39:40 what ubuntu image version should i download for the virtualbox Jun 21 20:39:44 bpadalino: Ah, that's not so bad. It's always sitting on 'just charge' anyways (for the ssh connection.) Jun 21 20:40:11 czarphanguye: then creating an ext2 file on /media/internal and mounting it via loopback should work for you Jun 21 20:41:29 bpadalino: I'll try that, yet I'll need to find a tut first ;-x Jun 21 20:41:39 tut ? Jun 21 20:41:41 oh Jun 21 20:41:42 tutorial Jun 21 20:41:43 hold Jun 21 20:42:48 what have you guys done when your 256MB var / opt volume fills up? I'm not that enthusiastic about attempting to resize the LVs on the fly... but I don't really like the idea of always chrooting into a debian fs either Jun 21 20:42:53 crap .. we only get the latest 20 revisions for the optware package feed page Jun 21 20:43:00 creating a loop device node is better then just using ln -s? Jun 21 20:43:15 simplyflipflops: What ubuntu version should i get to make an ipkg? Jun 21 20:43:16 /media/internal is vfat which doesn't support links Jun 21 20:43:18 the question is where to ln -s to... /media/internal is vfat Jun 21 20:43:24 well, you can link *into* it Jun 21 20:43:47 good luck when you install things to it which require linkage or chmods ? Jun 21 20:43:47 tris: it sort of sucks tbh. Got to have at least 100MB free to even use the app store, else it refused to update/download. Jun 21 20:43:56 we have verification that self signed apps appear to work Jun 21 20:44:16 shaya, did you have to modify anything on the pre ? Jun 21 20:44:18 shaya: on a rooted/dev pre or a normal? Jun 21 20:44:23 bpadalino: no Jun 21 20:44:27 nice Jun 21 20:44:29 on a rooted pre Jun 21 20:44:38 anyone have a non rooted pre to test? Jun 21 20:44:55 bpadalino: Oo.. didn't notice it's vfat. right Jun 21 20:45:07 shaya: actually.. rooted shouldn't matter; just dev mode Jun 21 20:45:34 (I don't think... you didn't do anything to the pre to make it more accepting to WebOS code when you rooted, just new core functionality) Jun 21 20:45:42 this whole "rooted" part is a little silly, i have to say ... it just touches a file to run the novacomd service - there is NO other difference Jun 21 20:45:47 i do shaya Jun 21 20:46:23 I think we have it Jun 21 20:46:26 Bales|: do you have speed-brain installed? Jun 21 20:46:33 if so, uninstall it Jun 21 20:46:34 nope Jun 21 20:46:38 ok Jun 21 20:46:43 I'll message you the url Jun 21 20:46:48 you'll have to email it to yourself Jun 21 20:46:57 bpadalino: hmm, I guess I could back up the contents of /media/internal, umount it, resize the LV, recreate the vfat fs (with... not sure what tool), and create another LV with another unixy fs on it and mount that Jun 21 20:47:26 Hry all Jun 21 20:47:31 hey* Jun 21 20:48:02 tris, there is a wiki page on resizing the lvm Jun 21 20:48:06 oh cool Jun 21 20:48:13 http://predev.wikidot.com/alt-optmedia Jun 21 20:48:15 Bales|: you got my message? Jun 21 20:48:22 yes Jun 21 20:48:29 ok, tell us if it installs Jun 21 20:48:30 it worked Jun 21 20:48:39 bpadalino: so it works on a non rooted pre too :) Jun 21 20:48:43 awesome :D Jun 21 20:48:49 self signed apps Jun 21 20:48:53 woot Jun 21 20:48:59 man i think ondemand has some issues which is why they're using fixed frequency Jun 21 20:49:04 shaya, awesome Jun 21 20:49:04 its crashed my pre a couple of times Jun 21 20:49:05 Bales|: are you running 1.0.3? Jun 21 20:49:09 had to pop the battery Jun 21 20:49:09 yes Jun 21 20:49:13 I have some news about my battery problems-Even during standby, it drains about 15% in 3 hours Jun 21 20:49:14 epic win. Jun 21 20:49:29 now we can root pre via ipk Jun 21 20:49:32 shaya, you should write this info down on the wiki Jun 21 20:49:33 rsize partitions with parted Jun 21 20:49:34 that is true Jun 21 20:49:34 as it's good Jun 21 20:49:41 bpadalino: its all in precentral Jun 21 20:49:45 czarphanguye, i got 104k free and it ran the app store, download just fine, but the install failed.... Jun 21 20:49:45 I'm not a bigger writer upper Jun 21 20:49:47 Anyway to see a drainage log? Jun 21 20:49:48 someone else can write it up Jun 21 20:49:49 shaya, that isn't very helpful :( Jun 21 20:49:53 :) Jun 21 20:50:03 i was pretty clear, xorg will probably get to it Jun 21 20:50:12 he seems to have been able to copy my steps Jun 21 20:50:15 do they contribute to the wiki ? Jun 21 20:50:20 I believe so Jun 21 20:50:23 he made the initial post Jun 21 20:50:27 xorg does Jun 21 20:50:27 bdumm: you try to download or update anything? that's when it errors Jun 21 20:50:39 imop45: someone had the idea to run powertop, but I haven't heard any news on that Jun 21 20:50:52 yea it goes to install(flixster in this case) and tries to finish up the install but fails Jun 21 20:51:02 going to see if little more room makes it work... Jun 21 20:51:07 Yeah, i remember that. Powertop would need to be smaller Jun 21 20:51:21 imop45: you could try the existing suggestions -- of disabling gps, disabling bluetooth, imap accounts, etc... Jun 21 20:51:56 Everything is. I even deleted all my email accounts and almost all 3rd party applications Jun 21 20:52:04 I haven't seen anyone actually run a scientific test saying e.g. "gps on makes battery drain 10% faster" Jun 21 20:52:13 tris, no .. Jun 21 20:52:18 but that would be a great test Jun 21 20:52:28 also, checking the CPU speed stuff .. Jun 21 20:52:31 to see if it makes a difference Jun 21 20:52:31 gps isnt even turned on untill a program goes to pull the information Jun 21 20:52:43 CPU speed on my pre...didnt help. Jun 21 20:52:55 oh yeah ? Jun 21 20:53:05 could hook up a multimeter between the battery and the phone and graph the drain over time... maybe something obvious would come of that Jun 21 20:53:09 bdumm: Mm, perhaps it was the tmpfs and not rootfs that was filled up on this device. Idk, but thanks for the feedback. Jun 21 20:53:10 No.. Something has to be wrong with my pre Jun 21 20:53:21 what I'd really like to do is just shove a 2400mAh battery in there though -- someone does have one that looks like it'll fit in the pre Jun 21 20:53:22 palm, if you want to hire me I'm looking for a job :) Jun 21 20:53:28 tris, the battery interface has a way to figure out how much current it's drawing Jun 21 20:53:46 (well, at least 1800mAh anyway. seidio has been known to lie) Jun 21 20:53:52 Yes, but the pre's battery has a special chip in it that registers with the pre Jun 21 20:53:59 oh, crap Jun 21 20:54:06 centro batteries confirmed not to work? Jun 21 20:54:20 tris: they "work" but supposdely can cause problems Jun 21 20:54:26 Centro batteries will work if your in a pinch. Jun 21 20:54:30 pregame you here? Jun 21 20:54:33 ? Jun 21 20:54:35 personally I think its negligence on palm's part to include the same connector if they aren't compatible Jun 21 20:54:41 Put it in a day, but not a year Jun 21 20:54:47 care to be the first palm app to be ditro'd? Jun 21 20:54:52 flashlight? Jun 21 20:54:58 nope Jun 21 20:54:58 oh, that'd be a great one Jun 21 20:55:00 distro'd without app catalog? Jun 21 20:55:05 i'm working on making a package right now Jun 21 20:55:15 negligence or a way to jip people out of a warranty Jun 21 20:55:17 i'm downloading ubuntu vm Jun 21 20:55:20 PreGame: you know how to self sign? Jun 21 20:55:33 not for packages Jun 21 20:55:45 can i send soomeone my global serch file and they tell me what the hell is wrong with it Jun 21 20:55:54 i'd be curious to see if the torch is actually brighter than the screen on 100% white... you should have a "dual-sided flashlight" mode :) Jun 21 20:55:55 just post the code Jun 21 20:56:15 ohh it is Jun 21 20:56:18 i used it last night Jun 21 20:56:25 its like 4 times brighter Jun 21 20:56:37 have you gotten it to go past 200mA? Jun 21 20:56:40 Yeah the torch at 1000ma is blinding Jun 21 20:56:45 1000?! Jun 21 20:56:47 ugh... I'm not smart enough to know what to do to /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/dashboardMessage-assistant.js but I know that's where the problem is :( Jun 21 20:56:59 the torch at 100ma is blinding Jun 21 20:57:00 no, no maybe not. The highest setting available Jun 21 20:57:37 Yeah 200ma was the highest Jun 21 20:57:39 please someone help me Jun 21 20:57:47 sup tomybotz ? Jun 21 20:57:53 tomy send the code Jun 21 20:58:18 Ok, so is there a process log history? Jun 21 20:58:18 every time i add a url in global serch when i restart myy loucher shows empty boxes and global search shows the same Jun 21 20:58:32 my next app is to create a service that will blink the gesture light when you have a message Jun 21 20:58:51 tomybotz: don't forget step 4 http://predev.wikidot.com/global-search-addons Jun 21 20:59:10 Either that or will move from right to left when on the lock screen Jun 21 20:59:23 let me double check but i think i have it in there as well Jun 21 20:59:54 hopefully a quick question: i'm used to ssh and bash with Putty, and for some reason with Putty and telnet and the Pre's /bin/sh, I can't send the ctrl-c kill command...how in the world can I terminate something I start running on the telnet session? Jun 21 20:59:59 tomybotz: you also have to download the image to the device, and make sure the name in step4 matches the name you downloaded (watch for dashs vs. Underscores) Jun 21 21:00:01 simplyflipflops Jun 21 21:00:05 Like how the iphone lightens "Slide to Unlock" from left to right. Have to LED do the same Jun 21 21:00:36 there all in there rite even the pics Jun 21 21:01:01 imop45: have you figured out any way to hook into received SMSes? I need the phone to play a diff (louder) notification for a particular sender (and/or particular keyword in the message) Jun 21 21:01:02 well, if it shows up in the global search without the image, that's where the problem is, something is wrong with the match. Jun 21 21:01:23 when i put my backup file back on my pre to get my laucher and global serrch working i see the pics of amaon and stuff but when i click it it says undefined link Jun 21 21:01:47 Cant you configure that already? or is that just individual rengtones? Jun 21 21:02:06 tomybotz: amazon isn't part of the default search... Jun 21 21:02:08 searedice: haven't had that problem, but I've also mostly been using zsh from optware, and have been sshing in (via the openssh server, if that matters) Jun 21 21:02:35 tomybotz: at least, it wasn't for mine. They have code in those files for it (but the code is messed-up and left-aligned) Jun 21 21:02:43 imop45: hmm, I assumed that was individual ringtones... could try tho Jun 21 21:02:52 alright; i'll just leave telnet behind, then. was next on my list anyway. thanks, tris Jun 21 21:02:53 imop45: ideally I want it to vibrate for everything except this Jun 21 21:02:56 so i should take amazon out Jun 21 21:02:58 of the mix Jun 21 21:03:09 i have facebook ebay imdb and amazon addes Jun 21 21:03:12 added Jun 21 21:03:14 tris: imop45: I think they're just ringtones: I've never heard a different message notificaiton. Jun 21 21:03:18 retry was tring yesterday to silence the missed call notification yesterday. Maybe he could help Jun 21 21:03:48 tomybotz: You just need to rename the divs "amazon2" or something to avoid using the pre-set code Jun 21 21:04:00 Hmm.. a simple fix would be to just change the notification.wav file, but that would be global Jun 21 21:04:10 can i send u my files and u fix it Jun 21 21:04:11 tomybotz: also, I found it very important to leave the Twitter search in there as the last entry Jun 21 21:04:33 this is the files thats haveing conflicts /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/global-search-assistant.js Jun 21 21:04:40 imop, I've done it Jun 21 21:04:42 writing it up now Jun 21 21:04:48 I'll post link in a minute Jun 21 21:04:56 one line fix :D Jun 21 21:05:23 Also, i was trying to change the vibration intervals to be longer in the soundsandalerts app, but i believe vibration is a lower level Jun 21 21:05:43 here that tris? Jun 21 21:05:48 yeah, cool! Jun 21 21:05:52 Just one line? Jun 21 21:06:19 hmm, I wonder if you could just make it vibrate multiple times Jun 21 21:06:21 All of that work, and it was just o n e line? ltm Jun 21 21:07:09 I'm not sure... but i want the clock to vibrate and STFU Jun 21 21:07:21 tomybotz: that file should be really straight-forward Jun 21 21:07:49 i put everthing perfect Jun 21 21:08:08 whitch file do u think is makeing my laucher and global serch show up empty boxes Jun 21 21:08:36 bpadalino: I couldn't edit the wiki anyways Jun 21 21:08:41 retry, remember the ringer swich rules yesterday? Would there be any way to apply that globally? Jun 21 21:08:43 no one has approved my account :-p Jun 21 21:08:44 apparently Jun 21 21:08:52 damn rwhitby for being in australia Jun 21 21:08:59 the ringer switch rules are applied globally Jun 21 21:09:02 it's a global function Jun 21 21:09:02 cause when i revert to the back up on this file /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/global-search-assistant.js everthing shows up fines and work except when i click like facebook serch or ebay it comes up undefnined link Jun 21 21:09:19 Rigt, but a few apps override that rule. Jun 21 21:10:20 Like youtube, clock, etc. Jun 21 21:12:58 On the camera app, does it take in highest resolution everytime? Jun 21 21:17:38 http://predev.wikidot.com/turn-off-missed-call-sound Jun 21 21:17:39 done Jun 21 21:18:02 Ok, thanks. That should be portable to other apps right? Jun 21 21:18:13 yeah actually Jun 21 21:18:44 it's global knowledge for the createStageWithCallback method Jun 21 21:18:49 which I would guess is used all over the place Jun 21 21:19:06 i should add some tags... Jun 21 21:19:14 Then write it in the wiki!! Jun 21 21:19:40 Hey, someone should probably update the Global Launcher instructions to note that Amazon already has an entry and you need to either name the inner div something like "search-amazon2" and make the appropriate entry in the css Jun 21 21:20:59 done Jun 21 21:21:10 ok that's all the pre play I get to do today...now to get paid for something.... Jun 21 21:21:50 Where do you work? Jun 21 21:25:54 how do you get out of configuring .conf file? Jun 21 21:26:08 eg. root@castle:/# cat > /opt/etc/thttpd.conf Jun 21 21:26:43 ctrl d is EOF Jun 21 21:27:27 thank you. Jun 21 21:27:51 ctrl c works also, if ctrl d doesnt Jun 21 21:28:09 could i have used vi instead of cat > ...? Jun 21 21:28:16 yup Jun 21 21:28:19 I <3 vi Jun 21 21:28:21 ok great Jun 21 21:29:01 morning Jun 21 21:29:06 Wait, not on everything. vi would not work on thttpd.conf Jun 21 21:29:09 shaya: did you get a wiki pw? Jun 21 21:29:13 Morning Jun 21 21:29:40 imop45: when i use vi it says the same thing as if i cat > thttpd.conf Jun 21 21:29:40 <_Wizard> Morning. Jun 21 21:30:14 Hmm, when i did it it locked down, wasnt able to edit anything Jun 21 21:30:27 Human error probably Jun 21 21:31:45 Hmm, we need to break things up for the wiki, e.i. Alerts and Sounds, Screen Jun 21 21:31:49 hmm...well, i guess i will just use cat for this step. Jun 21 21:31:59 imop45: i think someone is on it. Jun 21 21:32:51 Ok, b/c its getting difficult to find things when search isnt working Jun 21 21:33:15 i know Jun 21 21:33:23 bdumm: Ah-ah! /opt/bin/ipkg-opt list_installed Jun 21 21:33:45 hey, when i am ssh'd into my pre, how do i get to root@castle instead of username@castle Jun 21 21:33:53 home: su - Jun 21 21:34:10 ok, do i have to install su first? Jun 21 21:34:19 no Jun 21 21:34:32 sudo -s or sudo su - Jun 21 21:35:01 those will have where youre in root for longer periods Jun 21 21:35:23 imop45: -s? I always do "sudo -i su" what does -s flag do? Jun 21 21:36:09 I? have no idea but soneone told me it. seems like it does to /var/home/username/#: though Jun 21 21:36:24 goes* Jun 21 21:36:44 What does -i do? Jun 21 21:36:46 probably nothing unique to the palm...if there are no man pages than do a gogle search for the command you want to learn about Jun 21 21:36:57 s/gogle/google Jun 21 21:37:29 -i pulls in root's environtment variables, or so I've been told Jun 21 21:38:02 rwhitby: no Jun 21 21:38:38 Seems like they all do the same. sudo #$^@%& still mgoes to root Jun 21 21:38:52 ajaxPHPterm is pretty neat. Jun 21 21:39:05 conquer!! Thats the name of the root terminal in GNOME! Jun 21 21:39:28 Yeah, it is. got to backspce to uncapitalize though Jun 21 21:40:03 i hope they give an option to turn off auto-cap Jun 21 21:40:53 can you change ajax where it starts at root@castle:# instead of root:/opt/share/www/ajaxphpterm> Jun 21 21:45:25 this IRC channel seems to have died down a lot from launch Jun 21 21:45:51 home, you think so ? Jun 21 21:45:57 home, i think it's still very active Jun 21 21:46:01 170 people Jun 21 21:46:12 i know, just the posts have. Jun 21 21:46:13 there's been tons of conversation in here today Jun 21 21:46:22 maybe its all in my head Jun 21 21:46:35 more noise-to-signal Jun 21 21:47:03 get your filters checked =p Jun 21 21:47:34 shaya: can you please bring me up to speed on where you guys are with signed packages in the last 12 hours? Jun 21 21:47:41 they work Jun 21 21:47:41 any new exciting tweaks today Jun 21 21:47:46 there is a good amount of signal, but yes - the noise floor has increased Jun 21 21:47:55 people can create their own public/private key pairs and sign the pcakages they create Jun 21 21:48:06 the pre will then install them via url in email Jun 21 21:48:08 i see u guys goti it while i was gone Jun 21 21:48:18 tharris: yes Jun 21 21:48:25 well then grats Jun 21 21:48:39 was it the self signed public key/private key? Jun 21 21:48:42 shaya: are these x509 or gpg keys? Jun 21 21:48:43 yes Jun 21 21:48:46 x509 Jun 21 21:48:48 openssl Jun 21 21:48:55 we have instruction in precentral forum Jun 21 21:49:02 xorg will probably populate the wiki at some point Jun 21 21:49:06 well i imagine its not hard =p Jun 21 21:49:06 anyone ported over the pattern lock from the g1 Jun 21 21:49:09 it was pretty easy in the end Jun 21 21:49:10 and do you need to use a root CA which is already installed on the Pre to generate your signed pair? Jun 21 21:49:19 no Jun 21 21:49:28 palm could shut it down Jun 21 21:49:32 it prolly only cares about the signature Jun 21 21:49:42 but it currently doesn't verify the public key that's part of the ipk Jun 21 21:49:44 shaya: yeah, it will be a one-liner for them to shut down Jun 21 21:49:45 >><<>? Jun 21 21:49:59 so you guys no know that you offically created a huge security risk now =p Jun 21 21:50:03 rwhitby: but it doesn't matter anymore Jun 21 21:50:13 as with webdoctor 1.00 we can install it Jun 21 21:50:18 install our own ipk as the backdoor Jun 21 21:50:26 yeah Jun 21 21:50:26 and then upgrade Jun 21 21:50:46 where own own ipk enables other ipk's to be installed directly via ipkg Jun 21 21:50:52 tharris: yes Jun 21 21:50:55 shaya: what binaries on the Pre do the checking? can you guys lay out exactly the process that the Pre goes through when installing? Jun 21 21:51:02 are there instructions on keeping WiFi alive while using ssh? Jun 21 21:51:11 rwhitby: you click a url in an email Jun 21 21:51:14 its sent to lunasysmgr Jun 21 21:51:19 lunasysmgr sees its an ipkg Jun 21 21:51:23 extracts it Jun 21 21:51:32 calls openssl to verify the signature with the public key included Jun 21 21:51:35 installs it if passes Jun 21 21:51:41 home, initctl stop powerd should stop it from shutting down i think ? Jun 21 21:51:45 I am surprised there's not somewhere in the media directory that you can drop stuff Jun 21 21:51:51 each package has a pubkey.pem and signature file Jun 21 21:51:53 thats it Jun 21 21:51:58 and a cert.pem Jun 21 21:52:03 yeah but does that matter? Jun 21 21:52:06 which I assume is used to sign the pubkey.pem Jun 21 21:52:11 its the pki Jun 21 21:52:14 its not used currently Jun 21 21:52:18 right Jun 21 21:52:21 the infrastructure is there to be used Jun 21 21:52:32 but I don't think it matter now Jun 21 21:52:32 found it Jun 21 21:52:36 yea Jun 21 21:52:44 as webos doctor will always be able to replace it with 1.00 where we can then root it via ipkg Jun 21 21:52:48 gonna be wild west now with packages Jun 21 21:53:09 honestly, the main thing webos needs is an open source plugin that provides sdl canvas Jun 21 21:53:14 since u can create 4 stage scripts to do things to the pre.... like add users, download packages install services Jun 21 21:53:20 yes Jun 21 21:53:34 shaya: can you detail the signature verification process? Jun 21 21:53:35 gona be no way to verify packages unless rooted, very scary Jun 21 21:53:58 rwhitby: signature creation Jun 21 21:53:59 cat control.tar.gz data.tar.gz debian-binary | openssl dgst -sha1 -sign mycert.pem -out signature.sha1 Jun 21 21:54:02 shaya: I'm deeply familiar with x509, so please give the technical description Jun 21 21:54:09 rwhitby: signature verification Jun 21 21:54:11 cat control.tar.gz data.tar.gz debian-binary | openssl dgst -sha1 -verify pubkey.pem -signature signature.sha1 Jun 21 21:54:19 how do I restart luna without rebooting? Jun 21 21:54:24 kill it Jun 21 21:54:24 shaya: perfect, thanks. Jun 21 21:54:30 kill procId Jun 21 21:54:35 rwhitby: only 2 things we had to figure out Jun 21 21:54:36 shaya: which specific binary on the Pre does the openssl calls? Jun 21 21:54:37 it should restart on its own Jun 21 21:54:42 what signature.sha1 was hashing/signing Jun 21 21:54:45 lunasysmgr Jun 21 21:54:49 calls openssl binary Jun 21 21:54:59 shaya: is that an exe or .so ? Jun 21 21:55:07 (pathname?) Jun 21 21:55:11 we figured out that u can install any ipkg from inside the pre using /usr/bin/ipkg.... Jun 21 21:55:15 where did the /usr/share/palm directory go?! Jun 21 21:55:22 rwhitby: exec() Jun 21 21:55:28 /usr/bin/openssl Jun 21 21:55:37 you can string LunaSysMgr and see it Jun 21 21:55:48 shaya: thx Jun 21 21:55:51 thx Jun 21 21:55:57 strings LunaSysMgr Jun 21 21:55:58 openssl Jun 21 21:55:58 dgst Jun 21 21:55:58 -sha1 Jun 21 21:55:58 -verify Jun 21 21:55:58 -signature Jun 21 21:56:00 how I saw it Jun 21 21:56:02 lol Jun 21 21:56:07 shaya: where is the LunaSysMgr binary on the Pre? Jun 21 21:56:13 /usr/bin Jun 21 21:56:14 i cant believe that, i should have thought to look Jun 21 21:56:30 tharris: I dont have a pre Jun 21 21:56:32 so I have been limited to whats provided in webos doctor Jun 21 21:56:33 most pre apps are in /usr/bin Jun 21 21:56:45 well u had the os, with all the binaries Jun 21 21:56:47 cd /usr/bin Jun 21 21:56:53 oops wrong window Jun 21 21:56:56 heh Jun 21 21:57:08 nice work though, i really wish i hadnt gone to the store =p Jun 21 21:57:26 there were only 2 things we had to figure out Jun 21 21:57:31 1) url's in email will install Jun 21 21:57:39 was the hash Jun 21 21:57:41 2) what exactly was being hashed Jun 21 21:57:41 in the end Jun 21 21:57:54 did the last update change where the /usr/share/palm/application/com.palm.app folders are? Jun 21 21:58:22 home, what are you looking for ? Jun 21 21:58:24 I gave sff a simple script that cat'd stdin to the openssl command to afile Jun 21 21:58:37 and was able to see where each file fit Jun 21 21:58:46 shaya: do you think we should set up a webos-internals CA, and create author certs based on IRC nickname? Jun 21 21:58:56 bpadalino: securityconfig-assistant.js in /usr/share/palm/application/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers Jun 21 21:59:01 rwhitby: right know it doesn't matter Jun 21 21:59:03 * rwhitby runs a number of CAs for open source projects Jun 21 21:59:08 no way to list that Jun 21 21:59:12 anyone figure out how to do this with messageing http://predev.wikidot.com/controlling-leds-from-the-shell Jun 21 21:59:18 its possible if palm locks it down in the future that it culd be a good idea Jun 21 21:59:25 home: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.screenlock/app/controllers/ Jun 21 21:59:44 shaya: if we get that going now, then when Palm locks it down we can do the doctor thing to install our own cert for verification Jun 21 21:59:45 thanks. someone should update that on http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jun 21 21:59:50 palm gonan have to lock it down now Jun 21 21:59:50 yes Jun 21 21:59:55 rwhitby: there's advantage to it Jun 21 22:00:05 maintain accoutnability / authentication of homebrew stuff Jun 21 22:00:17 rwhitby: though I'd say don't limit it to wiki permitted things Jun 21 22:00:19 shaya: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Jun 21 22:00:46 or you can make 2 classes of keys Jun 21 22:00:57 one which are "safe" and one which are not so safe Jun 21 22:01:03 so whatever apps deals with it can warn the user Jun 21 22:01:07 how do we upgrade our WebOS? Jun 21 22:01:11 but I'd say let users make these decisions for themselves Jun 21 22:01:20 just like gstreamer plugins. good, bad and ugly :-) Jun 21 22:01:44 yea Jun 21 22:02:37 its one thing to limit what one says in a forum, its another thing to be restrictive on a piece of important infrastructure Jun 21 22:03:06 when one restricts things, one ends up missing out on intresting functionality cause one didnt think of it Jun 21 22:03:54 simplyflipflops: you here? Jun 21 22:04:08 PreGame: haven't seen him Jun 21 22:04:35 shaya: of course we'll publish the instructions on how to add other third-party CAs, so groups with different sets of standards can add theirs too. Jun 21 22:04:47 I need to create an IPK Jun 21 22:05:04 shaya: for example, would you want an app that makes your Pre part of a spam botnet signed by the webos-internals CA? Jun 21 22:05:16 rwhitby: nope Jun 21 22:05:51 so there is a line of acceptability there somewhere ... Jun 21 22:05:53 anybody have any bluetooth issues with mac os? Jun 21 22:05:56 makes sense Jun 21 22:06:25 just have to remeber that all packages get installed with root priveleges =p Jun 21 22:06:51 PreGame, SFF's guide to making a IPK is correct and pretty easy Jun 21 22:06:58 shaya: will probably want CRLs to be part of the infrastructure too Jun 21 22:07:00 I am here Jun 21 22:07:08 sorry. I was away from keyboad Jun 21 22:07:13 makes sense Jun 21 22:07:33 i was looking for it Jun 21 22:07:37 couldn't find it Jun 21 22:07:37 oh yeah, is there a new webosdoctor.jar or new WebOS.tar for the update? Jun 21 22:07:54 I would assume they would not release a new bin Jun 21 22:08:02 ok Jun 21 22:08:09 home: that's something you could check and report back, right? Jun 21 22:08:12 if they have native updating functionality and this one is public, no need to rerelease Jun 21 22:08:46 hello everyone Jun 21 22:09:13 looking for ipkgbuilding script? Jun 21 22:09:31 yes Jun 21 22:09:42 can i run it on my pre to create the install file? Jun 21 22:09:51 i can't get this stupid ubuntu vm to load Jun 21 22:10:05 the answer is on page 2 of the forum post Jun 21 22:10:15 have you guys had trouble with /opt/etc/sudoers after following the directions for enabling SFTP ? Jun 21 22:10:18 simplyflipflops: but does the openssl stuff run Jun 21 22:10:19 simplyflipflops: there's a ipkg building script in optware that should be able to be used. Jun 21 22:10:20 I assume it does Jun 21 22:10:36 can't find it rwhitby, guess not. Jun 21 22:10:41 simplyflipflops: which forum thread is it? Jun 21 22:10:42 I think mine is a derivative of that Jun 21 22:10:44 but for all we know its a neutered openssl that can only verify and not create Jun 21 22:10:49 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187331-installing-homebrew-apps-w-out-rooting-7.html Jun 21 22:10:52 installing homebrew apps without root Jun 21 22:10:59 shaya: optware has a full openssl Jun 21 22:11:05 it's on my other computer otherwise I would copy and paste it for you Jun 21 22:11:14 btw, for these global search mods Jun 21 22:11:28 someone should mod it to be smarter, only one patch to the pre and everything else is a "plugin" Jun 21 22:11:35 Are there advantages to dropbear over openssh other than size? Jun 21 22:11:38 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187331-installing-homebrew-apps-w-out-rooting-2.html Jun 21 22:11:39 and javascript that iterates to create it Jun 21 22:12:02 i'm having trouble getting sudo to work Jun 21 22:12:09 http://webos.pastebin.com/m5f3b0062 Jun 21 22:12:42 shaya, simplyflipflops: is 'xorg' here? Jun 21 22:12:54 I haven't seen him on IRC Jun 21 22:13:28 he's working on posting the package Jun 21 22:14:13 check his last post on the thread...he's not posting yet Jun 21 22:14:20 simplyflipflops: do you guys want to invite him here? Jun 21 22:14:23 anyone here get a chance to plug in a usb device to the pre and see if it shows up in dbus? Jun 21 22:15:02 how knows the address from the wiki Jun 21 22:15:07 I'll ping him Jun 21 22:15:42 I need help with modifying an existing app, specifically http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods#toc9 and fixing one of the "concerns" (opening from notificaiton bar). Does anyone want to discuss? Jun 21 22:15:43 wirelessdreamer: someone was working on otg host switching - the channel logs will tell who it was Jun 21 22:17:58 rwhitby, do you think you can help me restore my pre using webdoctor, I don't know how to do it, so I can go back and setup root & sudo over again, trouble shooting has become confusing. Jun 21 22:18:35 I asked about it a while ago, but no one had the adapter to try it then Jun 21 22:18:51 tiv: just about anyone in this channel should be able to help you with this - please ask the channel, not individual ops. Jun 21 22:19:29 wirelessdreamer: people were hoping it would switch modes on the otg pin, like the n800 does Jun 21 22:19:35 you were voiced, not oped LOL Jun 21 22:19:40 j/k but thanks Jun 21 22:19:55 tiv: same thing. all those voiced have ops if they need it. Jun 21 22:23:09 can anyone point me in the right direction on restoring my pre using webdoctor, so I can start from square one with root&sudo Jun 21 22:23:43 tiv: just shut down the phone, then hold volume up while plugging it into USB, that will put it into restore mode Jun 21 22:24:08 the doctor should do the rest Jun 21 22:24:40 (assuming you've installed it and run it and follow the GUI :) ) Jun 21 22:26:03 ty destinal. Jun 21 22:26:57 yw Jun 21 22:30:14 OK, the Optware going to work on an "official" signed Optware installer ipkg which should work in email links. Jun 21 22:30:32 s/Optware going/Optware team is going/ Jun 21 22:32:18 awesome Jun 21 22:33:45 everytime I download the jnlp it opens up in dashcode like a html file Jun 21 22:33:48 rwhitby: What does that imply? Jun 21 22:34:20 shaya u here? Jun 21 22:34:32 i need tha link i want to make some packages tonight Jun 21 22:34:33 that using that, we can make "mailable" non-root installable signed apps using a straightforward download of a package from optware? Jun 21 22:35:04 Rick_: we will sign Optware packages in the Pre feed. Jun 21 22:36:13 and have a bootstrap script in it's own signed ipkg Jun 21 22:36:15 ok, I'm going to scroll back an hour or two and see if I can catch up. You guys have been moving VERY VERY FAST today! Congratulations! Jun 21 22:37:45 anyone know a way to make forward gesture swipe, forward in Web? It would be handy. Jun 21 22:39:10 Hello Jun 21 22:39:28 Hello Jun 21 22:39:52 destinal, mind offering some help. Jun 21 22:39:57 anyone ever get that partition1 dump? Jun 21 22:40:22 does anyone know how to get "ls --color /" to work ? Jun 21 22:41:01 I can't seem to connect to my Pre via dropbear ssh Jun 21 22:41:14 I think busybox ls doesn't support color Jun 21 22:41:15 dropbear is running, but I get a connection refused error Jun 21 22:41:44 aubilenon: I have busybox installed on my D-Link DNS-323 and it works there Jun 21 22:41:59 same architecture, ARM Jun 21 22:42:20 different version? Jun 21 22:42:35 showergel: oh I'm misinterpreting the help message from ls Jun 21 22:42:44 which is ... a bug Jun 21 22:42:57 aubilenon: lol that's two i found Jun 21 22:43:20 it gives help for some different command. su maybe? Jun 21 22:43:31 aubilenon, I noticed that too Jun 21 22:43:34 that's what's i was thinkign Jun 21 22:43:36 haha the help table is totally wrong Jun 21 22:43:37 Install ls from optware. Jun 21 22:43:57 do i need to mount / rw before installing ipkg-opt ls ? Jun 21 22:43:59 su: without arguments, prints baud rate, line dicipline, and deviations from ssty sane" Jun 21 22:44:01 whats funny is if you make ipk files that dont have the header and make them big you can fill peoples /media partition up since they dont get deleted Jun 21 22:44:11 showergel: shouldn't need to Jun 21 22:44:17 dont have the pki* Jun 21 22:44:21 aubilenon: lol that's very wrong Jun 21 22:44:21 To get around the hlp issue, type "busybox" Jun 21 22:44:35 find the command that is after the command you want, alphabetically Jun 21 22:44:38 yeah it's just off by one Jun 21 22:44:39 and look at help for that comnand :-) Jun 21 22:44:55 so to get help for ls you do busybox --help md5sum Jun 21 22:45:17 ls doesn't seem to be on ipkg-opt Jun 21 22:45:29 "cannot locate package ls" Jun 21 22:45:30 showergel: It's in coreutils Jun 21 22:45:35 that would be what i need, lol Jun 21 22:45:44 Sorry, I should've mentioned that :-) Jun 21 22:46:15 * rwhitby bbl Jun 21 22:46:15 ls Jun 21 22:46:18 er wrong window Jun 21 22:47:15 Anyone know why I can't connect to my device via Dropbear? The service is running, I started it with initctl and can see it with ps, but putty gives me "network error: connection refused" when I try to connect Jun 21 22:47:52 emon: firewall? Jun 21 22:48:03 on my pre? It's in developer mode Jun 21 22:48:23 no on your computer :) Jun 21 22:48:28 sometimes I have to ssh in twice before it picks up my ssh connection Jun 21 22:48:33 on the machine with putty I disabled it and it didn't help (nor should it since it's outgoing and I have no outgoing rules) Jun 21 22:48:33 wrong port? Jun 21 22:48:41 isn't it 222? Jun 21 22:48:51 depends on the installation script you used Jun 21 22:48:55 i am downloading the debian 5.0 image Jun 21 22:48:57 could be 2222 Jun 21 22:49:05 that was the first port posted I believe Jun 21 22:49:21 no it's 222, I checked the script Jun 21 22:49:40 run talk.pl? Jun 21 22:49:46 aubilenon: after installing coreutils, i still get the same errors and the wrong help Jun 21 22:49:54 you mean talk.py? Jun 21 22:49:56 it is running Jun 21 22:50:03 er wait Jun 21 22:50:07 I'm using novaproxy Jun 21 22:50:08 showergel: which ls Jun 21 22:50:28 I'm using novaproxy because I wasn't able to telnet in with talk.py Jun 21 22:50:39 http://webos.pastebin.com/m11facaa Jun 21 22:50:45 which now seems strangely related Jun 21 22:50:54 I mean, run "which ls" Jun 21 22:51:38 the script didn't link //opt/bin/ls to coreutils-ls Jun 21 22:52:10 /opt/bin isn't ahead of /bin in your path anyway is it? Jun 21 22:52:18 checking Jun 21 22:52:40 I wouldn't recommend putting it ahead, since then palm stuff will use the wrong ipkg Jun 21 22:52:54 PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin:/var/opt/bin" Jun 21 22:52:59 instead you might just set an alias for ls Jun 21 22:53:09 i was hoping to simply set the alias Jun 21 22:53:13 ok Jun 21 22:54:10 hi, im using vista 64bit and i've gotten to stage 10 of rooting my pre. i dont know how to execute novaproxy through python. anyone able to help? Jun 21 22:54:15 showergel: I can't tell if you're having trouble still or all set Jun 21 22:54:42 there we go Jun 21 22:55:08 after coreutils, I was able to set alias ls="/opt/bin/coreutils-ls --color" Jun 21 22:55:25 you're right about keeping the /opt path after the /usr/bin etc.. Jun 21 22:55:50 the question is do i need to set the alias in profile for every reboot? Jun 21 22:56:14 billyjoe: good luck getting it to work in Win7. I had to use XPM to make that work. Jun 21 22:56:35 showergel: yeah, alias doesn't save anything Jun 21 22:56:41 it just sets it for that shell instance Jun 21 22:57:01 well on the site it says vista may work, windows 7 is a definite no Jun 21 22:57:42 and to use novaproxy for vista instead but thats what im trying to find out how to execute through python and have no idea how to do that Jun 21 22:58:21 billyjoe: Do you have XPM installed? Jun 21 22:58:32 i do not Jun 21 22:59:08 where do i obtain that from Jun 21 22:59:29 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0e8fa9b3-c236-4b77-be26-173f032f5159&displaylang=en Jun 21 23:00:00 billyjoe: do you know what CPU you have? Jun 21 23:00:12 yea Jun 21 23:00:38 p8400 core 2 duo Jun 21 23:01:15 there's some timezone tool compiled into busybox's help at least that doesn't have a link Jun 21 23:01:40 billyjoe: you should be good, that cpu supports XPM. If you have trouble, you may have to change an option in BIOS. Jun 21 23:02:23 alright so then i can do this without using nova proxy and just use talk.py Jun 21 23:02:34 hum, can't seem to get my pre to turn on... Jun 21 23:02:41 check your battery Jun 21 23:02:42 it might be lose Jun 21 23:02:52 if it is, wedge a piece of paper between the battery and the cover Jun 21 23:02:53 that solves it Jun 21 23:03:22 It was just fine a moment ago. I had trouble sshing into it, so I decided to turn off then on dev mode to see if that would fix it (since I enabled it before 1.0.3). it rebooted and now its off Jun 21 23:03:29 its not loose Jun 21 23:03:42 billyjoe: right. once the vm is running, you can go to USB -> Attach and select the pre. Of course follow the directions and install the 32-bit novacom installer. Jun 21 23:04:07 alright sounds good Jun 21 23:04:29 if i get stuck, ill be back on here Jun 21 23:04:38 thank you Jun 21 23:05:23 GL Jun 21 23:05:57 Emon: all I can think of is take out the battery for a few seconds Jun 21 23:06:20 Oh, does it do anything if you plug it into USB? Jun 21 23:06:46 no Jun 21 23:06:53 mine randomly went loose when i hit power to put it to sleep. and i was wondering why it didnt turn on. it could have coincidentally became loose as well. might as well try wedging that paper there. its a little bit of a known issue Jun 21 23:07:05 I have it plugged into the AC adapter at the moment. the battery was dead a few hours ago buti t should have enough charge by now Jun 21 23:07:18 I reseated the battery, its connected fine Jun 21 23:08:04 have you tried liquor ? Jun 21 23:08:08 ? Jun 21 23:08:18 not for the pre, for you. Jun 21 23:08:22 :/ Jun 21 23:09:10 there's the old-school trick we learned years and years ago. unplug it from the wall & remove the battery, wait 15 minutes, try again. Jun 21 23:09:22 that's what I'm doing Jun 21 23:10:00 has anyone been able to access diag mode? Jun 21 23:10:14 side note I have a weird issue with the calendar app. all hours are offset by +3. it's as if I'm in the wrong timezone, but the clock is correct Jun 21 23:11:37 Emon: What's your calendar data source? Jun 21 23:11:46 facebook and google calendar Jun 21 23:12:00 events are correct when I view them from their respective sources directly Jun 21 23:12:10 webos update? Jun 21 23:12:12 have you tried moving to the mid-atlantic? Jun 21 23:12:17 haha Jun 21 23:12:37 webos 1.0.3 gunna overwrite the root Jun 21 23:12:53 overwrite what root? Jun 21 23:12:54 I didn't even realize that google calendar doesn't really seem to understand time zones? Jun 21 23:13:01 (but it doesn't look like it does) Jun 21 23:13:11 what do you mean Jun 21 23:13:16 yea i did check for updates Jun 21 23:13:21 what I mean is that, I have an event on facebook starting at 7, my pre says 10 Jun 21 23:13:35 ...that going to svn/cvs my schtuff Jun 21 23:13:38 Emon: that's weird Jun 21 23:13:45 indeed Jun 21 23:14:05 a friend of mine called me at 7:15 on friday wondering why I wasn't at his place yet Jun 21 23:14:27 What I mean is that I can't specify what TZ a time is at on an event Jun 21 23:14:31 im 2 days late Jun 21 23:14:33 n/m me Jun 21 23:14:43 oh Jun 21 23:14:47 latrz Jun 21 23:15:20 I guess I need to add events at their PST time Jun 21 23:16:05 can you have an ipkg run commands during install? Jun 21 23:16:19 I dont believe so Jun 21 23:16:39 PreGame: When you are making a package you can Jun 21 23:16:40 ah tjhere it goes Jun 21 23:16:42 turned on Jun 21 23:16:50 aubilenon: How? Jun 21 23:16:51 I see the battery icon, except, it has a question mark on it Jun 21 23:17:04 PreGame: I don't know, but the dropbear package starts dropbear Jun 21 23:17:26 you have a link to the dropbear pkg? Jun 21 23:19:22 http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=IPKG_Howto Jun 21 23:19:39 uh tack #Ipk_Scripts onto the end of that Jun 21 23:19:47 (or scroll down) Jun 21 23:20:02 My pre was screwed up yesterday... would only get the palm screen when I turned it on and had to remove battery to turn it off lol Jun 21 23:20:20 wow my pre totally just stopped responding to any input Jun 21 23:20:29 like 5 minutes ago Jun 21 23:20:36 input meaning buttons and touchscreen and gestures Jun 21 23:20:59 it still recognizes when I remove it from the touchstone, and I'm still connected via ssh Jun 21 23:21:12 hah Jun 21 23:21:43 Let's see what happens if i sighup luna Jun 21 23:21:48 I'm just going to be making dinner so if anyone needs me to test something I'm available. Jun 21 23:21:48 ok so when i execute novaproxy.py through python on windows VISTA 64-bit, i get the following error message. "novacomd could't find your Pre. Ensure it is plugged in and in Developer Mode, and try again." says to consult with this channel if i keep getting this error. I am in developer mode already and its set to just charging. Jun 21 23:22:03 What does it mean if my Pre is displaying the battery icon with a big question mark in it Jun 21 23:22:16 no battery? Jun 21 23:22:30 hrm Jun 21 23:22:37 maybe I didn't put it back in properly Jun 21 23:22:41 its not taking charge Jun 21 23:22:49 are you charging from the wall charger or from the computer Jun 21 23:23:03 wal Jun 21 23:23:04 wall Jun 21 23:23:07 let me reseat the battery Jun 21 23:23:23 my wall charger went bad and that was coming up Jun 21 23:23:29 so i went to the store they gave me a new one Jun 21 23:23:36 Is there a binary like shutdown/halt/reboot/poweroff that works in the Pre environment? Jun 21 23:23:58 searedice: "Pre environment" meaning from a shell, or from the UI? Jun 21 23:24:04 haha it was in upside down Jun 21 23:24:11 shell...I've got the UI one Jun 21 23:24:16 shutdown Jun 21 23:25:03 ah... didn't work, but i was in the wrong working directory. will try that again in a minute Jun 21 23:25:11 wrong working directory? Jun 21 23:25:18 your working directory isn't in your path Jun 21 23:25:37 well then it's just plain not working Jun 21 23:25:43 it's in /sbin Jun 21 23:25:47 yes Jun 21 23:26:01 what sort of not-working is happening? Jun 21 23:26:12 related: i couldn't get moduser/deluser/etc to work...only adduser Jun 21 23:26:28 sighupping luna didn't work btw. It got stuck on the pulsing palm logo for ever Jun 21 23:26:43 (I've had more success doing that in the past *shrug*) Jun 21 23:26:43 "sh: shutdown: not found" Jun 21 23:27:17 pkill LunaSysMgr Jun 21 23:27:42 searedice: you tried the full /sbin/shutdown ? Jun 21 23:28:02 no need to do a full reboot Jun 21 23:28:02 trying that in a sec Jun 21 23:28:46 yay my phone isn't permanantly broken! Jun 21 23:29:01 mine too Jun 21 23:29:06 I thought I bricked it for a few minutes D: Jun 21 23:30:17 the full "/sbin/shutdown" is found, but it doesn't seem to be actually shutting anything down :P Jun 21 23:30:38 type "reboot" Jun 21 23:31:08 /sbin/shutdown --help Jun 21 23:31:55 /sbin/reboot works fine ("reboot" alone does not)...waiting for reboot now Jun 21 23:34:31 searedice: reboot alone doesn't work because of your environment configuration; if you add /sbin/ to your PATH, you should be set. Jun 21 23:34:46 drink it's odd that it isn't there already, but yeah I'll do that Jun 21 23:36:18 pregame: how's that package going? Jun 21 23:36:28 has anyone installed PreGame's flashlight thing? Linux n00b here that can't get untar or "tar xvzf" to work on the .tar file. untar doesn't exist, and tar gives "invalid gzip magic" Jun 21 23:36:50 just wait a bit and you'll be able to install it without all those steps Jun 21 23:37:02 oh, sweetness, I'll be test dummy for yah Jun 21 23:37:29 PreGame: postinst and prerm are the normal scripts for ipkgs Jun 21 23:37:35 flare, untar it on your windows machine using 7zip Jun 21 23:37:57 try /sbin/shutdown -r now to reboot it after shutdown or /sbin/shutdown -h now to turn it off Jun 21 23:38:02 searedice: You probably ran "su" with no args to get root? Jun 21 23:38:30 Rick__: I was hoping to be able to do it on the Pre so that it'd unpack to the right places Jun 21 23:38:36 If you do su - it will load all the environment for the user you're changing to Jun 21 23:38:42 such as path Jun 21 23:39:55 That's it, aubilenon. Thanks Jun 21 23:40:19 you could just type reboot in console Jun 21 23:41:04 I'm just used to linux distros like Ubuntu...nothing so light as this one where so many things are not already configured Jun 21 23:41:33 searedice: gotta understand, you were never supposed to be able to hit a command line lol Jun 21 23:45:49 shaya: ping Jun 21 23:51:17 hola Jun 21 23:51:50 simplyflipflops: ping Jun 21 23:52:32 I don't want to sound impatient, but how close are we to a flashlight package to test the install? Do I have time to run grab some food? Jun 21 23:52:54 flashlight? Jun 21 23:53:27 PreGame wrote a flashlight app, and I think rwhitby and a few others are working on an "Unsigned Installer" Jun 21 23:53:39 got a stupid question that I should know already, how do I copy files over to the pre for running home brew (looking at trying out the flashlight app with out an installer) Jun 21 23:53:45 and I offered my pree as a guinea pig :) Jun 21 23:53:47 flare576: I only talked about an installer for Optware Jun 21 23:54:02 rwhitby: ah, ok Jun 21 23:54:10 the short answer goes like this.... Jun 21 23:54:27 Pregame's stuff that is Jun 21 23:54:29 yo Jun 21 23:54:38 If you've rooted your pre, you just copy the app in question into the applications folder..... /var/usr/palm/applications. Jun 21 23:54:54 which is where you put stuff you have built yourself. Jun 21 23:55:13 yeah, I guess im just dumb enough on linux that I am not sure how to copy to it Jun 21 23:55:18 sorry :/ Jun 21 23:55:21 you can either usb copy the stiff in, and then mv it into the right place Jun 21 23:55:38 or you can ipkg-opt install ncftp to get a simple ftp client on to the pre Jun 21 23:55:49 yeah i wasnt sure how to get it in to mv it around Jun 21 23:55:53 and cd to the right directory and use ftp to get them files into there from somewhere. Jun 21 23:55:55 ah, that would work Jun 21 23:56:08 awsome, ill give that a go Jun 21 23:56:12 appreciate it mate Jun 21 23:56:15 mv is dead simple. -- go onto google and google for mv man page Jun 21 23:56:31 havent gone hacky on a phone in a long time, and am linux ignant Jun 21 23:56:34 heh ill do that Jun 21 23:56:49 appoligise for asking noob questions, but gotta start somewhere :) Jun 21 23:56:55 anyone else have trouble getting dropbear to accept incoming connections? Jun 21 23:57:21 Emon: had a problem getting it to work from work 'cause of a corporate firewall, but besides that no. Jun 21 23:57:39 oh, hmm. I've got no firewalls running and it still won't work Jun 21 23:57:48 within a "short" time, it should be possible to start installing apps without all that. it has been proven that you can now install apps by putting a correctly signed package on a web page and emailing a link to the package, and the regular installer that runs from the applications store will install it. Jun 21 23:58:06 Emon, wifi or evdo? Jun 21 23:58:24 stupid vmplayer isn't working right Jun 21 23:58:46 anyone have a dpkg I can install on the pre Jun 21 23:58:53 yeah, i saw the posts, just figured id poke around and familiarize myself better Jun 21 23:59:16 anything I can do to help, lemmie know Jun 21 23:59:22 Rick_, wifi Jun 21 23:59:23 guinee pig phone here Jun 21 23:59:40 ok, and what's your wifi ip address? and how did you check it? Jun 22 00:00:43 got it from ifconfig and from wifi connection screen Jun 22 00:00:53 ok. Dropbear or ssh Jun 22 00:01:12 nevermind you said dropbear Jun 22 00:01:31 hmm, weird. I've since rebooted my phone and now I can't connect to the same wap Jun 22 00:01:50 well.. THAT would be an issue Jun 22 00:02:26 Emon: everytime you reboot your phone the OTA aka EVDO ip changes Jun 22 00:02:27 note that every time the phone timesout it drops the wifi connection. You ---need--- to plug it into a charger, or run a music player or something to keep it on. Jun 22 00:04:26 I know Jun 22 00:04:43 no, before even when it was on the wap, I couldn't get to it Jun 22 00:05:02 I disabled and reenabled developer mode. I originally turned it on before the 1.0.3 update Jun 22 00:06:19 what does association failed mean for connecting to a wap Jun 22 00:06:37 i added a modification to stop from phone sleeping, or rather add more time to the menu its on the wiki Jun 22 00:08:48 when i launch putty and it opens up, its not prompting to type in a user name. it just says root@castle: Jun 22 00:09:47 and something about /bin/sh: not found Jun 22 00:10:12 im doing it under telnet, yet python is telling me to do it under raw Jun 22 00:10:59 yes? Jun 22 00:11:28 so, how do i actually get in now since i cant even get to the actual point to input password Jun 22 00:11:46 or Jun 22 00:11:47 user name i mean Jun 22 00:13:52 whatever, SSH works over evdo Jun 22 00:18:33 rwhitby: yes? Jun 22 00:22:28 is this channel archive on the site somewhere? Jun 22 00:22:47 djk1: check channel message :) Jun 22 00:22:54 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Jun 22 00:23:18 thanks Jun 22 00:23:56 what time zone are the logs? Jun 22 00:25:26 looks like GMT.... Jun 22 00:25:57 thanks Jun 22 00:26:09 just as any good log should be Jun 22 00:26:26 or UTC, if you wanna be picky Jun 22 00:26:34 ;-) Jun 22 00:49:20 quick - whats the res of phone? Jun 22 00:50:02 480x320 Jun 22 00:52:53 It looks higher, it's a rather nice display Jun 22 00:54:43 agreed :) Jun 22 00:54:48 http://freefile.kristopherw.us/uploads/icefire/pre_sdk_emulator_pic.png Jun 22 00:55:11 I'm really excited for you guys getting installers working :) Jun 22 00:56:30 * Xuzz waits for ban Jun 22 00:57:03 ban for what Jun 22 00:57:14 that pic :P Jun 22 00:57:17 http://freefile.kristopherw.us/uploads/icefire/pre_sdk_emulator_pic.png Jun 22 00:57:26 oh Jun 22 00:57:27 who cares Jun 22 00:57:34 lol Jun 22 00:57:41 idk, it breaks the "Policy" Jun 22 00:58:32 do you want to get banned? Jun 22 00:58:34 I'm going to keep posting random emu stuff until I get banned :P Jun 22 00:58:40 (I sorta want to) Jun 22 00:58:43 http://freefile.kristopherw.us/uploads/icefire/sdk_emu_pre.png Jun 22 00:58:45 why Jun 22 00:58:48 fun Jun 22 00:58:57 OH GOD NO Jun 22 00:59:38 i wouldn't think it'd be that fun Jun 22 01:00:34 shaya: are you able to determine whether a postinst script in the self-signed ipk runs? Jun 22 01:00:51 I don't see why it shouldn't Jun 22 01:00:56 it's part of the control.tar.gz Jun 22 01:01:27 or, I'd be very surprised if it didn't Jun 22 01:01:31 as I don't have a pre, I can't test Jun 22 01:01:51 preinst does =p Jun 22 01:02:21 the SDK is LGPL, so you any licensee should be able to post it to us, right? Is it just the NDA that keeps people from doing so? Jun 22 01:02:21 :: eagerly anticipates testing opportunity:: lol Jun 22 01:02:33 err QEMU is anyway Jun 22 01:02:46 what about qemu ? Jun 22 01:02:52 LGPL Jun 22 01:02:57 ok Jun 22 01:03:02 what does that have to do with anything ? Jun 22 01:03:08 the SDK is not LGPL Jun 22 01:03:20 destinal: the SDK is Palm Proprietary code Jun 22 01:03:23 destinal: why would you assume the sdk is lgpl? Jun 22 01:03:33 SDK is LGPL!? Jun 22 01:03:37 the QEMU parts are Jun 22 01:03:38 an element of the sdk is lgpl Jun 22 01:03:38 anyway Jun 22 01:03:39 I don't think so. Jun 22 01:03:46 shaya: what element. I'll psot it now :P. Jun 22 01:03:50 destinal: what makes you think the SDK is based on QEmu? Jun 22 01:03:56 its based on VirtualBox Jun 22 01:04:07 qemu Jun 22 01:04:10 its compiled for x86 Jun 22 01:04:15 its VirtualBox, not QEMU Jun 22 01:04:16 they distribute an image that uses Vbox, but much of the image is not GPL Jun 22 01:04:19 Xuzz: also lgpl/gpl unless they licensed it from sun Jun 22 01:04:26 its not distribued with hit Jun 22 01:04:31 much like you can run Windows under Vbox, but that doesn't make Windows GPL either Jun 22 01:04:41 its just required to be installed to install the SDK Jun 22 01:04:43 though it appears virtualbox is partly based on semu Jun 22 01:04:47 qemu Jun 22 01:04:48 ah. well the downside of LGPL I think is that everything linked with it doesn't get bound by it Jun 22 01:04:53 unlike GPL Jun 22 01:05:06 destinal: that's the FSF opinion Jun 22 01:05:11 virtualbox has an arm guest support? Jun 22 01:05:14 but they don't have a strong legal case Jun 22 01:05:20 Xuzz: I'll request politely that you refrain from disclosing information about the SDK (which is not publicly released yet) in this channel. Jun 22 01:05:21 its compiled for x86, mdklein Jun 22 01:05:27 rwhitby: hm Jun 22 01:05:29 ok Jun 22 01:05:34 anything that dynamically links is being linked by the user, there's no distribution of GPL/non GPL code mixture Jun 22 01:05:34 #webos-sdk, lol Jun 22 01:05:39 shaya: huh? I said *doesn't* get bound by it Jun 22 01:05:50 LGPL is more permissive that way Jun 22 01:05:51 I was referring to the unlike GPL Jun 22 01:06:05 Hey anything new? Jun 22 01:06:07 anyway, I don't think its GPL or LGPL Jun 22 01:06:09 and bye Jun 22 01:06:15 the FSF claims that if you dynamically link code with a GPLd library it has to be GPLd Jun 22 01:06:15 Xuzz: #webos-sdk would not be associated with this channel, so we would have no problem with that. Jun 22 01:06:16 ah, well there's nothing saying the full GPL is not binding Jun 22 01:06:29 rwhitby: that was a joke :P Jun 22 01:06:32 and it's a license agreement so you'd have to prove it invalid not prove it valid Jun 22 01:06:36 except that GPLd only deals with distribution of GPLd code Jun 22 01:06:57 if you don't distribute GPLd code or a mixture of GPLd and non GPLd code you aren't affected by the GPL Jun 22 01:07:03 I don't have a pre/webos device, so I'm really not that interested here :P Jun 22 01:07:04 cya all Jun 22 01:07:15 later Jun 22 01:07:55 oh well. We really need to port QEMU and get our own emulator working. :) Jun 22 01:08:34 port QEMU? Jun 22 01:08:36 I think it works for maemo / nokia 770 which uses the same OMAP family of CPU's Jun 22 01:08:46 there is an omap3 qemu port that i can't get to work with the images we have .. Jun 22 01:08:49 but feel free Jun 22 01:08:52 or just wait for public SDK release, shoudln't be long now Jun 22 01:09:01 i'm not a qemu expert by any means Jun 22 01:09:27 Xuzz: we're not very patient, and besides, an OSS version may have advantages an official propriatary bianry release would not Jun 22 01:09:29 yeah, when the SDK is publicly released without requiring an NDA, we'll be able to discuss it much more freely here. Jun 22 01:09:31 how exactly will homebrew apps work when the SDK is public? I imagine you can just install them manually? Jun 22 01:09:49 s/bianry/binary/ Jun 22 01:10:12 well, the version I have didn't need a NDA, but i didn't get it from Palm :P Jun 22 01:10:46 Xuzz: webos-internals isn't going to support copyright infringement either, of course Jun 22 01:10:51 of course :P Jun 22 01:11:03 yay... Jun 22 01:11:25 awww, he was contributing so much... Jun 22 01:11:33 heh, pretty pictures Jun 22 01:13:02 and yeah, he was more putting us at risk than helping. Jun 22 01:13:29 hello, has anyone seen an "out of memory" error when trying to update or install new applications on a 1.0.3 rooted pre? Jun 22 01:13:33 anywho... I'm still giddy for installation packages! Jun 22 01:15:58 i got an out of memory error when playing mafia wars but not doing an update Jun 22 01:16:05 did you close all your cards? Jun 22 01:20:22 hahaha Jun 22 01:20:33 Has anyone tried to do X11 forwarding from their pre yet Jun 22 01:20:49 Emon: is webos actually using X for sure? Jun 22 01:20:58 no it isn't Jun 22 01:20:58 it doesn't need to Jun 22 01:20:59 at all Jun 22 01:21:10 but you could probably run the server Jun 22 01:21:14 and have it forward Jun 22 01:21:20 Emon: if not, you'd need to port an X11 server Jun 22 01:21:22 I'm talking about running an X11 app and forwarding to a server somewhere else, like on your PC Jun 22 01:21:27 oh Jun 22 01:21:30 Hey guys, I was wondering about a Pre feature, not sure if its underway in development or not... might you guys be able to tell me? Jun 22 01:21:34 i haven't tried it - but i bet it would work no problem Jun 22 01:21:42 thepreiscool, shoot Jun 22 01:21:48 I just need an X application that isn't gigantic and is easy to install Jun 22 01:22:14 xeyes ? Jun 22 01:22:17 hah! Jun 22 01:22:21 it's always a good one Jun 22 01:22:46 I am this |-| close to separating the messaging sound from the rest of the system sounds! Jun 22 01:22:47 where the hell do I get xeyes Jun 22 01:22:48 I noticed that the hidden feature is already documented concerning call timer logs... but what about text messaging time stamps for texts that are more than a week old... it just has that general 'last week' category... is there any "timestamp for every text" fix under development? Jun 22 01:23:12 ThePreIsCool: It's on the wiki somewheres I believe Jun 22 01:23:17 thepreiscool, i thought that was part of the messaging conversations in a new card hack Jun 22 01:23:32 oh really? I need to reread that one Jun 22 01:23:32 bpadalino: it's not, but it's on that same page Jun 22 01:23:38 ah Jun 22 01:23:38 ohh what about glxgears haha Jun 22 01:23:46 there are timestamps for each message Jun 22 01:23:52 they are nice too Jun 22 01:23:53 okay, I'll give it a look... Thanks Guys! Jun 22 01:24:15 ThePreIsCool: the mod in the wiki describes how to do it for every message. The pre by default puts stamps on messages older than a wee. The mod take away the "if", making it do it for all messages. Jun 22 01:24:51 what architecture does the pre use Jun 22 01:25:19 emon, linux passing messages through dbus .. with a direct framebuffer for display .. Jun 22 01:25:24 java for most services .. Jun 22 01:25:30 native code hooks into the dbus for other services Jun 22 01:25:36 no I meant the cpu Jun 22 01:25:39 Emon: arm Jun 22 01:25:41 javascript, not java Jun 22 01:25:42 OMAP3 3430 Jun 22 01:25:46 no - it's java Jun 22 01:25:52 there is a jvm installed which runs most of the services Jun 22 01:26:04 oh, sorry, services, not apps Jun 22 01:26:11 "Java is to JavaScript as car is to carpet." Jun 22 01:26:13 :) Jun 22 01:26:22 they are using the google javascript engine it seems Jun 22 01:26:31 Emon: there might be some X clients in Optware Jun 22 01:26:42 that's what I'm looking for Jun 22 01:26:43 but what? Jun 22 01:26:49 bpadalino: probably because it's built for webkit, eh? Jun 22 01:27:04 well, they could have used apple's javascript engine Jun 22 01:27:11 i am pretty sure they're both open sourced Jun 22 01:27:26 emon, xterm ? Jun 22 01:27:37 nope Jun 22 01:27:39 Emon: how about xterm Jun 22 01:27:47 if there isn't something in optware I'd have to compile it :/ Jun 22 01:28:00 ipkg-opt install xterm Jun 22 01:28:14 whoa Jun 22 01:28:17 search didn't find it? Jun 22 01:28:31 which search? Jun 22 01:28:36 just look in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ Jun 22 01:28:38 ipkg-opt search Jun 22 01:28:40 uhh Jun 22 01:28:53 ipkg-opt search doesn't do what you think Jun 22 01:29:05 how do I configure dependencies, it just installed x11_6.2.1 Jun 22 01:29:10 ah Jun 22 01:29:36 Emon: ipkg-opt --help has options for forcing stuff Jun 22 01:30:37 ah, thanks Jun 22 01:30:39 JackieRipper: were you talking about the 'new cards for each messaging conversation' page that explains that if statement, or does it have its own page? Jun 22 01:31:37 ThePreIsCool: http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods Jun 22 01:32:08 blah, can't load libice.so.6 Jun 22 01:32:08 JackieRipper: ugh, stock-app-mods.... i should've known.. my bad, Thanks a bunch! Jun 22 01:32:12 ThePreIsCool: Scroll to "Messaging Application". The first mod is "Adding Timestamps to All Received Messages" - just above the new cards one Jun 22 01:32:24 JackieRipper: Thanks man! Jun 22 01:36:08 Emon: re: compile it, you can also just run from debian chroot most likely after a bit of setup. Jun 22 01:36:45 I'm not going to bother Jun 22 01:36:49 I just wanted to see it work Jun 22 01:39:47 * oc80z hatin the wallops Jun 22 01:42:49 anyone try to load mojo and a pre app on their computer w/ Apache? Jun 22 01:45:06 sucks, i keep bricking this thing lol Jun 22 01:45:58 if you can reflash it back to a good state - it's not a brick :) Jun 22 01:46:05 lol so true Jun 22 01:46:06 why was /etc/profile touched on 1.0.3 update Jun 22 01:46:06 :| Jun 22 01:46:09 lame+ Jun 22 01:46:11 * oc80z dies Jun 22 01:46:27 well it wont boot now =p Jun 22 01:46:52 and i didnt really do anything Jun 22 01:47:23 thanks god for the backupos Jun 22 01:51:14 can someone help me with the palm pre root enable? Jun 22 01:51:51 what stage you at, Kishan? Jun 22 01:52:01 im at step 10 Jun 22 01:52:10 i dont know what to type in python Jun 22 01:52:15 i have windows vista Jun 22 01:52:28 which vista? Jun 22 01:52:35 hmm 64bit Jun 22 01:52:40 hello, has anyone seen an "out of memory" error when trying to update or install new applications on a 1.0.3 rooted pre? Jun 22 01:52:41 Ultimate? Jun 22 01:53:01 or Home? Jun 22 01:53:05 home premium Jun 22 01:54:00 well, I just had a fun day testing out my pre.. plugged the touchstone to my sprint car charger, and was able to drive all day listening to pandora, running sprint navigation in the background, and watching my position on google maps with satellite view turned on. worked great. Jun 22 01:54:34 aight, well, one person got 64 Home Premium to work with these steps: http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 22 01:54:34 navigation even mutes pandora when it speaks its directions Jun 22 01:55:13 yea im on that page right now i dont get what to type in python to start novaproxy.py Jun 22 01:56:09 C:\Python26\python.exe novaproxy.py Jun 22 01:56:33 by default install Jun 22 01:57:04 wow, wait, there's voice turn-by-turn on this tihng? Jun 22 01:57:13 yup Jun 22 01:57:17 haven't even tried that yet Jun 22 01:57:21 i typed that in buy it just says syntaxerror: invalid syntax Jun 22 01:57:22 yeah Jun 22 01:57:23 Sprint Navigation has my <3 Jun 22 01:57:24 but* Jun 22 01:57:32 what does the "Sprint" app do Jun 22 01:57:49 anyone know the name of the telnet service running Jun 22 01:57:55 it's telenav's navigation program. Jun 22 01:58:01 same as what blackberry has, actually Jun 22 01:58:07 Emon: it's a link to a webpage, actually Jun 22 01:58:11 i need to start it and my pre is being flashed Jun 22 01:58:19 right "Sprint" vs "Sprint Navigation" Jun 22 01:58:20 oh. lame Jun 22 01:58:30 Kishan: syntax... odd Jun 22 01:58:32 maybe im typin it wrong :o Jun 22 01:58:40 or i messed up on a step? Jun 22 01:58:40 "Sprint" is another worth hiding / deleting Jun 22 01:58:47 yeah i'm going to do that Jun 22 01:58:48 and nascar Jun 22 01:58:49 bah Jun 22 01:58:51 did you install Python on your computer? Jun 22 01:58:54 oh, i guess i never saw sprint Jun 22 01:58:57 i don't have an iphone but my mother said her gps app on there required you to touch the screen to keep it on... lulz Jun 22 01:59:03 yea i installed it on my comp Jun 22 01:59:25 Kishan did u get it working Jun 22 01:59:27 if you enable add and delete pages, you can just move all the useless apps to another page, too. I guess you could do that with only 3 pages Jun 22 01:59:36 i have the novaproxy file in the python folder Jun 22 01:59:37 Pre in dev mode, connected to USB, and novacom 64-bit drivers installed? Jun 22 01:59:49 ok you are on that step Jun 22 01:59:51 yea novacom is installed Jun 22 02:00:03 are you on windows? Jun 22 02:00:06 but when installin it, it didnt show much Jun 22 02:00:11 yea Jun 22 02:00:12 oc80z: yeah, vista64 home premium Jun 22 02:00:16 did you run the rooter and the svn? Jun 22 02:00:21 oh 64? Jun 22 02:00:51 i would get: http://splunk.net/projects/PuTTY/putty.exe Jun 22 02:00:51 yeah, another guy in here last night claimed to have gotten 64 Home Premium to work with the http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy instructions Jun 22 02:00:59 does the 1.03 update mess with previous rooting? That is, does it overwrite /etc/paswd or stop sshd from startign at boot, or something similar? Jun 22 02:01:11 i can confirm vista 64 ultimate with it too Jun 22 02:01:17 JackieRipper: nope, only thing it screwed with for me is CRON config Jun 22 02:01:25 JackieRipper /etc/passwd OK , /etc/profile not. Jun 22 02:01:29 anything good in the update? Jun 22 02:01:36 not really Jun 22 02:01:41 battery (not all), sync, alarmclock Jun 22 02:01:48 oc80z: I can actually tell you for sure it doesn't ALWAYS work with 64 Ultimate: I spent about 2 hours last night trying things; nothign worked. Jun 22 02:02:00 oc80z: the solution to that is to copy /etc/profile to ~/.profile Jun 22 02:02:11 and make your mods to ~/.profile Jun 22 02:02:18 oh did you install python64, nova driver 64bit, putty 64.. Jun 22 02:02:26 64 64 and 64 Jun 22 02:02:32 true jR Jun 22 02:02:33 hm when i installed the driver it gave me a popup sayin service removed Jun 22 02:02:37 oc80z: there's a pytphon64? link? Jun 22 02:02:50 s/pytphon64/python64 Jun 22 02:03:30 http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.2/python-2.6.2.amd64.msi Jun 22 02:03:35 i have Jun 22 02:03:42 python 2.6.2 Jun 22 02:05:07 let me try to delete everythin n go back to step 10 from start Jun 22 02:05:10 just to make sure Jun 22 02:05:11 I'm uninstalling 2.6.2 and installing what oc80z just linked, we'll see what happens. Jun 22 02:06:50 it only takes a year to uninstall python.... Jun 22 02:08:15 lol Jun 22 02:08:15 ?? Jun 22 02:09:02 happy to say my idle pre lasted over 12 hours today. Jun 22 02:09:12 anyone know the name of the telnetd service? Jun 22 02:09:13 we'll see how longer it will last after tonights update. Jun 22 02:09:14 what was the command i type in python to run novaproxy? Jun 22 02:09:17 tharris sure. Jun 22 02:09:23 no idea why, but the uninstall window for python takes forever to actually kick into gear Jun 22 02:09:26 Kishan just double click novaproxy Jun 22 02:09:30 oc80z: display on no charger? Jun 22 02:09:39 C:\Python26\python.exe novaproxy.py Jun 22 02:09:41 wirelessdreamer its happend. Jun 22 02:09:44 if that's where you installed it Jun 22 02:09:59 says novacomd is not running Jun 22 02:10:15 on my add/remove it shows that its installed Jun 22 02:10:21 1: did you install the 64 bit version? Jun 22 02:10:24 yea Jun 22 02:10:28 2: reboot :) Jun 22 02:10:35 (your computer, not the phone) Jun 22 02:10:36 thing is it didnt show anything when i double clicked it Jun 22 02:10:36 been so busy with work, has anyone mounted a samba/smb filesystem yet Jun 22 02:10:45 just gave me a dos pop up Jun 22 02:11:01 ok ill reboot Jun 22 02:11:05 thanks guys brb Jun 22 02:11:24 eg: \\192.210.1.100\files /media/internet/myfiles Jun 22 02:11:49 that would be nice. no? may be stream mp3s over OpenVPN Jun 22 02:12:04 oc80z: for /etc/profile, just dump files in /etc/profile.d/... Jun 22 02:12:18 ah... i saw that in the wiki Jun 22 02:12:19 (we do that for optware now) Jun 22 02:13:06 that was added yeah... i somehow (maybe didnet ro the filesys) woops'd a few days ago .. webos doctor rocked. Jun 22 02:13:22 by far thee greatest phone ive ever used. Jun 22 02:14:55 (owned) Jun 22 02:15:12 only problem with it is that it LOVES power Jun 22 02:15:19 I'll cope with that Jun 22 02:15:24 new update made things btter imho Jun 22 02:15:30 better* Jun 22 02:15:34 definitely Jun 22 02:15:40 flare576 u can tweak the cpu *shrug* Jun 22 02:15:48 so i heard. Jun 22 02:15:50 i wish i had a system i could create packages on Jun 22 02:15:56 stupid virtual machine sucks Jun 22 02:16:04 i just did, im testing mine, if it works ill make one for ya Jun 22 02:16:13 k Jun 22 02:16:19 I am making an AutoRoot.ipk =p Jun 22 02:16:25 cool lol Jun 22 02:16:30 tired of typing Jun 22 02:16:33 and copying Jun 22 02:16:36 it would be nice if i could make one though so when i make updates i can just create a new one Jun 22 02:16:48 w/b Kishan Jun 22 02:16:51 thanks Jun 22 02:16:51 well maybe i cna get u a shell =p Jun 22 02:16:55 ill try the command now Jun 22 02:16:57 i mean Jun 22 02:16:58 file Jun 22 02:17:03 PreGame: I'm seriously waiting on your flashlight installer to guinea pig :D Jun 22 02:17:15 well don't hold your breath :P Jun 22 02:17:19 odd it still says novacomd is not running Jun 22 02:17:34 u can try my autorooter =p if i ever get it working Jun 22 02:17:35 i tried to get vmplayer to work but i cant figure it out to get anything over there Jun 22 02:17:58 tharris: already rooted :/ Jun 22 02:18:20 PreGame: I have no idea what that means :( lol Jun 22 02:18:42 who needs a flash light app, i prefer to walk around with my macbook hooked up to my phone, and if I need a flashlight i just send the commands over that way ;) Jun 22 02:18:45 totally handy Jun 22 02:18:59 oh yeah, very portable and convienient Jun 22 02:19:15 yea i need to snag a new 13" Jun 22 02:19:18 MUCH more portible lol Jun 22 02:19:20 should i reinstall the novacomnd? Jun 22 02:19:42 Kishan: you might have to if it's saying it's not running Jun 22 02:19:56 hm Jun 22 02:20:33 does everyone get the Service removed popup? Jun 22 02:20:40 when its installing or done installing Jun 22 02:20:58 I think I remember that, yeah Jun 22 02:21:07 I gotta head, though, wife is home! Jun 22 02:21:09 food time! Jun 22 02:21:22 you're in good hands with oc80z Jun 22 02:21:35 byee and thanks Jun 22 02:22:52 is oc80z still here? or afk Jun 22 02:22:53 =o Jun 22 02:25:04 or can anyone help Jun 22 02:26:59 sorry whats up? Jun 22 02:27:45 tharris, and Pregame: let me know how I can help if you need anything for your apps. Jun 22 02:29:42 *sigh* i dunno been busy Jun 22 02:30:40 oh hey oc Jun 22 02:30:44 i did what u guys said Jun 22 02:30:55 but for some reason i keep getting an error Jun 22 02:31:03 saying novacomnd not running Jun 22 02:31:18 iv reinstalled it and restarted my comp and everything, downloaded the 64bit files Jun 22 02:31:28 something i do wrong? Jun 22 02:31:54 Kishan: having problems rooting your pre? Jun 22 02:32:20 yea Jun 22 02:32:29 iv followed all the steps but im stuck on 10 Jun 22 02:32:35 tryin to get the novaproxy to work Jun 22 02:32:38 I couldn't get it to work for 64bit xp, but worked fine in 32bit xp... Jun 22 02:32:47 im on Jun 22 02:32:48 vista Jun 22 02:32:49 =[ Jun 22 02:33:01 dunno about that... all I know is it did not work in 64bit XP Jun 22 02:33:06 hm Jun 22 02:33:16 iuno Jun 22 02:33:23 i installed the driver Jun 22 02:33:28 it shows up on the add/remove Jun 22 02:33:34 but doesnt seem to be running Jun 22 02:38:17 Ok, ity isn't a linux question, it isn't a webos-internals question, but I can't figure out how to do something on the pre, using anything I can write, or using the prototype library they have loaded. Jun 22 02:39:02 If I have my index.html, and I have some div... and I want to retrieve the contents of ./text/ch1.txt into a variable, mess with it and shove it into the contents of the div.... Jun 22 02:39:29 I can do that easily enough if ch1.txt is out on them there in-tar-tubes somewhere... But I can not for the life of me figure out how to do it out of ./text/ch1.txt Jun 22 02:39:32 how are things going with the home-brew installs? Jun 22 02:40:00 twobitsprite: So far it seems like a lot of effort for not much usefulness Jun 22 02:40:39 Rick_ Jun 22 02:40:41 The only people who want hacked apps already have root, so installing them is cake Jun 22 02:41:01 Rick__: so far [i think] we only know how to do this if you install a webserver on the pre. Jun 22 02:41:07 what ar eyou trying to do Jun 22 02:41:25 cphelps: well... installing "hacked" apps leads to installing real apps Jun 22 02:41:27 in english.. Jun 22 02:41:42 oc80z: rw from the pre FS from an app Jun 22 02:41:54 Well. I -tried- to put that into english, but I'll try again. Jun 22 02:42:02 I can -chain- to another html object Jun 22 02:42:02 twobitsprite: according to Palm, there will be thousands of devs with the SDK soon, so why not work on other issues? Jun 22 02:42:05 grep sekret >> ch1.txt Jun 22 02:42:17 I can call a helper object Jun 22 02:42:20 cphelps: bleh Jun 22 02:42:31 but I can't seem to read from the file system into a javascript variable. Jun 22 02:42:40 im going to get warm next to my south american wife Jun 22 02:42:40 he needs to coax luna to do it Jun 22 02:42:41 id like to believe itd be true, but i dont, re: 1000s devs with dsk Jun 22 02:42:46 I have an idea: Have the cards go to multiple rows also. Jun 22 02:42:46 have fun -_o Jun 22 02:42:46 which just seems -odd- Jun 22 02:43:13 thatguy_: Why not give Palm the benefit of the doubt? Jun 22 02:43:15 imop45: XrossMediaBar? Jun 22 02:43:28 I have no desire to WRITE to it.. Once I can read it, I can store the results in a database. God knows THAT is easy enough. Jun 22 02:43:32 thatguy_: The only thing we've been put on notice about is tethering, and that is Sprint's deal Jun 22 02:43:39 imop45: that's a great idea Jun 22 02:43:43 kon: Whats that? Reminds me of Sony Jun 22 02:43:44 hehe i am all for palm, im some how blaming sprint in the matter ;) Jun 22 02:43:52 Rick__: the best i can say is look at existing palm/downloadable apps and see how they handle reading from a file Jun 22 02:43:57 I can create a database with a single line of javascript, I can add tables, select tables, etc etc. Jun 22 02:44:00 im just pesimistic/emo tonight, dont mind me Jun 22 02:44:02 poop still no luk =[ cant enable the root stuff on my comp Jun 22 02:44:09 Did palm ever add text forwarding in the 1.0.3 update? Jun 22 02:44:10 It _absolutely_ is possible to read the files system, the music player does it. Jun 22 02:44:33 Rick_: That's a good point Jun 22 02:44:37 the music player uses a service Jun 22 02:44:38 mabye only possible to read from /media/internal? Jun 22 02:44:51 PreGame: you aren't thinking of pandora, are you? Jun 22 02:44:56 nope Jun 22 02:44:57 Rick__: i know.. but reading and writing isn't going to use different vectors for the same filesystem Jun 22 02:45:01 When you zoom out to see my cards, its not enough. Only lets you see 3. Why not use the rest of the screen realastate better Jun 22 02:45:02 if I can read from media/internal that's fine. I want to load ebooks into media/internal, parse them, and save them in a database. Jun 22 02:45:06 media player uses com.palm.media Jun 22 02:45:15 twobitsprite: most of the apps we have so far use a java service Jun 22 02:45:17 which runs com.palm.mediaserver Jun 22 02:45:21 ahh Jun 22 02:45:29 kon: Whats XcrossMediaBar? Jun 22 02:45:51 so yeah you can try using an existing library in com.palm.* to read a file Jun 22 02:45:55 you could open the music app from a webOS app that directly links to a music file in the FS Jun 22 02:46:15 but there isn't really anyway to exploit that Jun 22 02:46:18 imop45: the psX interface... it has a cardlike interface but each category has a vertical... while the categories are laid out horizontal Jun 22 02:46:18 ShinAli: no, that'd be the wrong fs Jun 22 02:46:20 Rick__: Have you checked into what the PDF viewer does? Jun 22 02:46:31 +Pregame: no text FW Jun 22 02:47:19 So, sony then. What i thought. No, have 2 or 3 rows, instead of just one. Jun 22 02:47:37 imop45: i think you are talking more like a grid layout... 3x3 or something Jun 22 02:47:49 imop45: that would be fine by me :) Jun 22 02:48:02 hmm... I just unpacked the webkit source I got from the palm site, and it unpacks toa dir called "Safari-3-2-branch" Jun 22 02:48:11 think they forked the iphone browser? Jun 22 02:48:30 twobitsprite: i think they forked konqueror Jun 22 02:48:45 You know when you zoom out, its still just one row. So yes, if you have 12 cards it would be 3x4 Jun 22 02:49:14 konsoleX: didn't safari fork konquerer? Jun 22 02:49:19 Would that be a possible tweak? Jun 22 02:49:38 oc are you still here? Jun 22 02:50:02 my sugar. Sugardave sounds like a coffee shop Jun 22 02:50:27 it's more like the candy shop Jun 22 02:51:00 twobitsprite: yeah apple forked konqueror and everyone has built of that including chrome Jun 22 02:51:02 Oh, well im in oklahoma city. We have 4 streetlights Jun 22 02:51:07 anyone know how to scroll the cursor in the palm browser to the beginig of the url? Jun 22 02:51:27 i'm really happy we don't have blazer :) Jun 22 02:51:36 ya wrong OS Jun 22 02:51:54 orange button, move to the left Jun 22 02:52:29 could someone add that to the wiki as an idea? Jun 22 02:54:27 hello everyone Jun 22 02:54:28 can someone help me im tryin to get this thing to work. I see Novacomd.exe in my task manager but novaproxy says its not running Jun 22 02:54:46 I cant edit the wiki and i dont know how i would go about making the possible Jun 22 02:54:55 hey showergel Jun 22 02:55:39 I got an idea to have multiple rows of cards when zooming out, instead of just one Jun 22 02:56:05 here's a fun one.. does the pre have a NFS daemon? Jun 22 02:56:13 imop45: follow the instructions on how to join the wiki to contribute Jun 22 02:56:19 nfs? Jun 22 02:56:47 network file system Jun 22 02:56:57 Well, im not really a developer though. I know /some/ things, and i'm trying to understand and learn from being on here Jun 22 02:57:19 shouldn't be difficult to compile it if not already done Jun 22 02:57:36 is there a way of preventing the pre from sleeping when I have an active ssh connection? Jun 22 02:57:40 it's really annoying. Jun 22 02:57:43 showergel: nfsd kernel module in optware at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/ - looking for testers Jun 22 02:57:48 xcomp, initctl stop powerd i think Jun 22 02:57:53 xcomp: keep it plugged in Jun 22 02:58:02 or that Jun 22 02:58:05 bpadalino, really, will that work? Jun 22 02:58:08 xcomp: leave it plugged into the usb Jun 22 02:58:20 Apple forked Konquerer for sure ;) Jun 22 02:58:21 i think it does - try it out and let me know Jun 22 02:58:22 usb solution sounds good..let's see Jun 22 02:58:35 rwhitby: that could be something i would be able to help out with. i have a nfs server here. Jun 22 02:58:38 IE: they took something really good and made it difficult to recontribute back basically making Konquerer suck ;) Jun 22 02:59:14 showergel: there should be an nfs-utils optware package to go with it Jun 22 02:59:24 sugardave: i saw messages from powerd on the sleep so I think that ought to work Jun 22 02:59:48 hey, I like the little question mark in the battery when you stop powerd Jun 22 02:59:52 xcomp: you ssh'd into wifi or evdo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 22 02:59:57 2009