**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 28 02:59:57 2009 Jun 28 03:00:39 goodspeed: try Jun 28 03:00:47 devmode turns on telnet Jun 28 03:00:51 ssh youruser@yourpre "/bin/sh" Jun 28 03:00:53 sort of Jun 28 03:00:58 goodspeed: yeah, I can't think of another way to change /etc/password when you don't have a user able to log in Jun 28 03:01:11 when i do that to my linux box i get a cursor that i can type shell commands at Jun 28 03:01:26 and even sudo Jun 28 03:01:26 PullingJ: that just might work. Jun 28 03:01:36 ok will try Jun 28 03:01:59 so ssh root@10.0.0.6 "/bin/sh" Jun 28 03:02:08 no, your user, not root Jun 28 03:02:12 root can't ssh Jun 28 03:02:16 ah Jun 28 03:02:25 Can we change that? Jun 28 03:02:30 but root can telnet if devmode is on? Jun 28 03:02:34 getting Access Denied Jun 28 03:02:56 goodspeed: <== toast Jun 28 03:03:00 ;) Jun 28 03:03:13 paul__: it's intentional. you can ssh in as root if you have keys, but not via password. Jun 28 03:03:24 3l33t:~$ ssh localhost "/bin/csh" Jun 28 03:03:24 ps Jun 28 03:03:24 PID TTY TIME CMD Jun 28 03:03:24 6623 ? 00:00:00 imapsd Jun 28 03:03:24 6736 ? 00:00:00 csh Jun 28 03:03:24 6745 ? 00:00:00 ps Jun 28 03:03:34 my shell is bash on that box Jun 28 03:03:41 huh Jun 28 03:03:47 try it on your pre Jun 28 03:03:57 i don't have another shell installed on it Jun 28 03:04:02 but i'll try /bin/sh Jun 28 03:05:09 what are u guys trying to do Jun 28 03:05:37 thadood: avoid havving goodspeed run webdocto Jun 28 03:05:39 goodspeed borked his fone. Jun 28 03:05:40 r Jun 28 03:05:55 he erased his passwords file Jun 28 03:06:02 our front-page warning rings true again :-( Jun 28 03:06:16 copy password file from another phone? Jun 28 03:06:18 this: i changed my shell in /etc/password before i actually put the files in place ... yea and i know better than that as a linux admin Jun 28 03:06:22 or from webos jar? Jun 28 03:06:24 it's what i get for playing with stuff late at night, haha Jun 28 03:06:28 at least he's experianced enough to know he did it as soon as he did it Jun 28 03:06:34 true Jun 28 03:06:43 :) Jun 28 03:06:44 has he rebooted? Jun 28 03:06:47 nope Jun 28 03:06:53 good Jun 28 03:06:54 are u in as root? Jun 28 03:06:58 the phone still works outstandingly Jun 28 03:07:02 tharris, this isn't jar stuff, this is AFTER he rooted, his USER Passwords for the new shell, but he replaced the shell, and there's no there there anymore Jun 28 03:07:11 try the chat script again Jun 28 03:07:21 ahhh Jun 28 03:07:21 tharris, i lost my ssh connection between changing passwd and placing files Jun 28 03:07:22 or novaproxy Jun 28 03:07:30 hmm, is anyone working on a GPS logging app to create kmz or nmei logs? Jun 28 03:07:40 no one has said that they are Jun 28 03:07:51 but a number of people hav ebeen messing with gps stuff Jun 28 03:07:53 and nova hack isnt starting telnet with a blank root pass? Jun 28 03:08:11 * sax_ wants to track cycling trails in google earth ;D Jun 28 03:08:46 i wonder if there are any existing scripts that could be easially modified for that Jun 28 03:09:00 when i telnet into it i get "login: cannot run /bin/bash: No such file or directory" Jun 28 03:09:03 then a lil webos frontend to enable/disable and choose filename Jun 28 03:09:10 wow Jun 28 03:09:11 yeah Jun 28 03:09:11 ssh is ignoring my attempts to change the shell Jun 28 03:09:38 3l33t:~$ ssh -p 222 172.16.92.222 "/bin/sh" Jun 28 03:09:38 ps Jun 28 03:09:38 PID TTY TIME CMD Jun 28 03:09:38 25529 ? 00:00:00 sh Jun 28 03:09:38 25530 ? 00:00:00 sh Jun 28 03:09:38 25531 ? 00:00:00 ps Jun 28 03:09:43 is there some page or someplace dedicated to pre keyboard shortcuts? Jun 28 03:09:43 works on the pre Jun 28 03:09:59 hmm, this is strange that i can't get it to work Jun 28 03:09:59 without using keys and sshing localhost man there ain much Jun 28 03:10:05 yea i know Jun 28 03:10:30 goodspeed: are you using openssh as your ssh client? Jun 28 03:10:35 correct Jun 28 03:10:36 is there so much stuff on it not worth a reflash ? or is that failing too? Jun 28 03:10:40 goodspeed: since the user doesn't have a valid shell, dropbear and openssh may well refuse to even run a command Jun 28 03:10:56 rwhitby: good point Jun 28 03:10:57 ^^ Jun 28 03:11:01 no shell Jun 28 03:11:04 nothign to cal Jun 28 03:11:06 call Jun 28 03:11:10 in fact, one would hope that they do refuse. Jun 28 03:11:15 hehe Jun 28 03:11:19 it would be a security hole if they didn't. Jun 28 03:11:31 well, /bin/sh exists Jun 28 03:11:31 why? Jun 28 03:11:34 tharris-: the command passed on the ssh command line doesn't run from the shell Jun 28 03:11:36 can you mount the pre filesystem as a storage device and move the files that way Jun 28 03:11:58 totes, doesn't really work like that Jun 28 03:12:05 ssh has login sheels or can just execute a command Jun 28 03:12:14 right Jun 28 03:12:19 executing a command doesn't need a pty Jun 28 03:12:29 whether it5 uses shell I don't know Jun 28 03:12:47 can you get in with scd? or sftp? Jun 28 03:12:48 but that's why I use -t screen -r Jun 28 03:13:04 ssh pre cat /etc/passwd Jun 28 03:13:07 Rick__: not as root Jun 28 03:13:09 does that work? Jun 28 03:13:15 oh yeah Jun 28 03:13:21 borked Jun 28 03:13:31 its a reflahsh (if possible) Jun 28 03:13:50 goodspeed: you really are toast. I think we've now made the same suggestions about 5 times. Jun 28 03:14:11 i think you could probably fix it with novacomd Jun 28 03:14:13 is the whole line missing? Jun 28 03:14:13 lol yes and i appreciate the suggestions and thoughts Jun 28 03:14:27 battery out. volume up usb in, start webdoctor battery in wait an hour or so. Jun 28 03:14:27 Pulling, it does attempt to execute a command, with whatever shell is used no? Jun 28 03:14:28 yeah, nova won't use shell direclty I think Jun 28 03:14:44 tmzt: root and his user don't have valid shells "/bin/bash" when it doesn't exist Jun 28 03:14:56 o9nce you reboot you are locked out Jun 28 03:14:59 no tmzt, i changed the shell from /bin/sh to /bin/bash and the ssh connection dropped before i actually put the bash files in place, silly me Jun 28 03:15:13 i mean the stuff that talk.py does to get the telnet daemon started Jun 28 03:15:18 ssh -v pre cat /etc/passwd Jun 28 03:15:18 i don't think it uses a shell for that Jun 28 03:15:19 ooooops... lesson for the ages. don't do that. Jun 28 03:15:24 :) Jun 28 03:15:48 or, as we said earlier tonight rm -r / it's shorter to type. :-) Jun 28 03:15:55 it has to call soemthing with execv? Jun 28 03:15:58 i administer linux servers, you'd think i knew what i was doing ... guess the best of us brainfart Jun 28 03:16:01 lol Jun 28 03:16:24 at least it's your own "server" you borked Jun 28 03:16:29 lol yeah Jun 28 03:16:38 what pulling ssaid, not "production" Jun 28 03:17:01 ssaid? Jun 28 03:17:07 said* lol sorry Jun 28 03:17:17 exactly Jun 28 03:17:25 sucky keyboard =) Jun 28 03:17:36 i really like that i carry a linux box in my pocket now Jun 28 03:17:43 ^^ nod Jun 28 03:17:44 it just happens to have a phone and a camera attached to it Jun 28 03:17:51 the phone is great Jun 28 03:18:09 yea i really like the phone Jun 28 03:18:13 and the underlying system Jun 28 03:18:35 i was pleased before the screen went bad that the hacking was so successful and i had a linux box Jun 28 03:19:50 has anyone come up with a good full backup solution, like an image we can save on the pc and restore to the phone if we screw it up? i know webos doc does that but it'd be nice to save a version with customizations. Jun 28 03:19:50 meh u should just try to reflash and see what shakes... Jun 28 03:21:08 rsync? Jun 28 03:21:30 personnally all i care about is contacts, after that its all gravy Jun 28 03:21:59 dd Jun 28 03:22:29 lol Jun 28 03:22:32 harris contacts the biggest deal for me too, i need to save the linking, i've spent several hours linking them and the palm backup doesnt save that Jun 28 03:22:34 goodspeed, I tried editing my /etc/passwd (copying "good" root and my users to bad ones like yours_. I coudn't find a way around your problem) Jun 28 03:22:52 yeah palm backs + linking is fail Jun 28 03:23:17 rick could we really use dd? that would be perfect... Jun 28 03:23:29 thanks for the attempts, i had a feeling when it happened that i screwed the pooch like a big dog ... ah well :) Jun 28 03:23:42 mogren: to dd back to / you need to be able to unmount / Jun 28 03:24:17 unless u made a second boot partion =p Jun 28 03:24:26 was just contemplating that Jun 28 03:24:47 has anyone figured out the dfu button magic? Jun 28 03:24:49 could you dd to an smbmount location? Jun 28 03:24:58 does the palm do an sdc? Jun 28 03:25:01 sd card Jun 28 03:25:06 no Jun 28 03:25:11 tharris-: and then change the kernel cmdline? Jun 28 03:25:18 you cound run rsync Jun 28 03:25:24 over usb Jun 28 03:25:45 the protocol is exactly the same as iphone Jun 28 03:25:45 I'm not sure which database files the links are in. Jun 28 03:25:59 Rick: same Jun 28 03:25:59 but it's clearly absolutely a file. Jun 28 03:26:04 everyone just ignoring me or has nobody really figured out the magic yet? :P Jun 28 03:26:19 dfu button magic? Jun 28 03:26:39 sorry, in english please for those of us who might not be at your level of sophistication. Jun 28 03:27:40 lmao Jun 28 03:27:49 i mean, the button combo Jun 28 03:27:53 for getting into DFU mode Jun 28 03:27:55 mrjcarter: thx for the wiki page. Jun 28 03:27:59 http://predev.wikidot.com/pre-not-booting-webos-doctor-how-to Jun 28 03:28:17 DFU mode = ? Jun 28 03:28:20 i am curious as to if dfu allows unsigned firmware as well as bootie Jun 28 03:28:29 dfu mode is the lowest level recovery mode in the pre Jun 28 03:28:29 nice page Jun 28 03:28:40 it is in bootrom, so if u erase _everything_, its always still there Jun 28 03:28:41 mogren: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Jun 28 03:28:49 i still have to make the emergency phone contact changer page Jun 28 03:29:17 thx rwhitby Jun 28 03:29:46 the client and server for dfu is all open source in openmoko, so we can learn from there. Jun 28 03:29:56 it looks like, ffrom cpuboot, it uses the iphone protocol Jun 28 03:30:01 which may just be standard dfu protocol Jun 28 03:30:12 but i am not 100% Jun 28 03:30:29 all i know is file sending / recv as well as getstatus is the exact same as iphone dfu Jun 28 03:30:46 is dfu mode then a LOWER restore mode than the mode used by webosdoctor? Jun 28 03:31:16 Rick: the doctor uses bootie, which could be killed by corrupting flash, yes Jun 28 03:31:26 afaik Jun 28 03:31:32 dfu is lowest it can go Jun 28 03:31:33 its in bootrom Jun 28 03:31:43 ah Jun 28 03:31:45 no idea then Jun 28 03:31:47 wow didnt knwo that Jun 28 03:31:52 I'm sure palm has an official dfu recovery tool for those who get bootie whacked Jun 28 03:31:53 haven't heard that anyone ws trying Jun 28 03:32:00 thought bootie was in rom, at the bottom. Jun 28 03:32:00 nice destinal Jun 28 03:32:23 no Jun 28 03:32:33 bootie is gziped and tacked onto the end of boot.bin Jun 28 03:32:42 destinal: they do Jun 28 03:32:45 its called cpuboot Jun 28 03:32:50 i did read taht chron Jun 28 03:32:50 its a commandline tool Jun 28 03:33:00 internal only I assume? Jun 28 03:33:40 ie not being distributed outside palm? Jun 28 03:33:58 and maybe sprint I imagine Jun 28 03:35:22 tharris: did you mean cron? If chron, what's that - crontab -l on my pre shows nothing Jun 28 03:35:44 um Jun 28 03:35:46 try webOS doctor :) Jun 28 03:35:47 erm lol Jun 28 03:35:53 its in there Jun 28 03:35:53 heh Jun 28 03:35:57 oh, you were referring to a person chron, sorry Jun 28 03:36:30 by the way, if you have not replaced your autoreplace file with the one built here... http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/187993-autoreplace-upgrade.html you're an idiot. Jun 28 03:36:32 get it. Jun 28 03:36:42 makes typing on the pre 10^6 times better Jun 28 03:37:08 huh? Jun 28 03:37:08 no Jun 28 03:37:10 i mean Jun 28 03:37:10 Rick_: which one you using? i'm using the 1.7mb combined one Jun 28 03:37:11 cpuboot Jun 28 03:37:14 its in webos doctor Jun 28 03:37:27 i'm using the 314K google file. Jun 28 03:37:37 so has anyone documented yet how to change settings like volume etc on the pre? like is it in a db or .conf file, or some random config file somewhere? I'd like to schedule ringer/alert volume levels in an automated fashion Jun 28 03:37:54 did tehy update it yesterdaY? last time i was in that thread google was 1.2mb Jun 28 03:42:04 makes that much of a differnece? Jun 28 03:42:08 difference* Jun 28 03:42:51 * rwhitby bbl Jun 28 03:43:09 has anyone here been working on native binaries with native GUI integration? (ie not framebuffer?) if classic can do it, it's possible.. Jun 28 03:43:58 autocorrect is not with even a small performance hit imo, this phone is slow enough. Jun 28 03:44:15 *worth Jun 28 03:45:44 killing luna and running fb-based stuff is cool and all, but arguably the wrong direction Jun 28 03:46:38 fb? Jun 28 03:46:44 framebuffer Jun 28 03:46:47 goa ya Jun 28 03:47:01 got ya, man i hate typing on this thing Jun 28 03:47:21 destinal, it's going to require either some way of terminal switching or writing a plugin for the webOS browser similar to that of palm classic apps (which will require some time) Jun 28 03:47:29 oh, you're in IRC on the pre? Jun 28 03:48:20 the latter would seem to be cleaner Jun 28 03:48:45 I guess it's about time to reverse engineer webos browser plugins then :) Jun 28 03:49:00 lunarsysmgr is the key =p Jun 28 03:49:07 LunaSysMGR, damn it Jun 28 03:49:59 on my next plane flight in a week i will put Luna through IDA and see what i can find Jun 28 03:50:19 well obviously that would be the cleaner method, but I wouldn't mind even a linux style ctrl-alt-f6-style term switch either (sym,orange,something) to be honest... oh well still have to remember the homebrew community isn't nearly as large as the original iPhone dev team, and it's still only 20 days into the release of the phone to public :) Jun 28 03:50:25 I'm more interested in putting *classic* through IDA :) Jun 28 03:50:47 whats the "home" button in the Pre emulator? Jun 28 03:51:29 psykoz: yeah, but what if you get a phone call while you're switched on your kvm? Jun 28 03:52:14 rulethirty: there's a working emu now ? Jun 28 03:52:24 yeah the palm pre sdk was leaked Jun 28 03:52:29 Oooh! Jun 28 03:52:42 heh Jun 28 03:52:45 topic ? Jun 28 03:52:53 yeah, it should be in the topic :oP Jun 28 03:53:03 no - please read the topic Jun 28 03:53:09 that was funny Jun 28 03:53:32 heh, well if it says no discussing it in the topic than that acknowledges it exists, yes? :) Jun 28 03:54:06 one could argue that =p Jun 28 03:54:50 good point. Jun 28 03:54:57 you guys are really touchy Jun 28 03:55:37 id recommend keeping the boundries a *little* more tight aroudn distribution or supplying links Jun 28 03:55:37 they are just trying to stay honest Jun 28 03:55:41 tharris-: if things in luna are like the rest of the code, we may even have symbols... Jun 28 03:55:55 uh we do =p Jun 28 03:56:03 cool Jun 28 03:56:14 by that u meant debug correcT? Jun 28 03:56:15 and leaving the remaining discussion open Jun 28 03:56:16 yes Jun 28 03:57:14 rulethirty: it's still really more ontopic for #webos. I suppose unless you were hacking / disassembling the SDK.. hmm.. Jun 28 03:57:33 now u did it, u blurrred the lines Jun 28 03:57:46 doh Jun 28 03:57:53 haha Jun 28 03:57:57 the only topic in #webos is whitespace Jun 28 03:58:09 sent u a tell dest Jun 28 03:58:17 the first rule about #webos-internals is no one talks about #webos-internals Jun 28 03:59:01 i see we're enjoying a useful discussion here Jun 28 03:59:13 would be nice to know how to gesture Jun 28 04:00:03 those are covered in the pdf manual Jun 28 04:00:27 (im betting an SDK question) Jun 28 04:00:43 So the link to the SDK in the forums was legit then? Jun 28 04:02:49 ok all later Jun 28 04:02:59 p'Z Jun 28 04:04:02 bpadalino: how can booting qemu be a deadend? I can't imagine we *need* bootie for an emulator Jun 28 04:05:47 destinal, all i know is i have a valid kernel with a valid initrd ... Jun 28 04:06:00 and booting a cortex a8 processor emulation doesn't do anything but stop .. Jun 28 04:06:06 gdb tells me it isn't going anywhere Jun 28 04:06:17 i tried it in vmware server too Jun 28 04:06:23 wont boot Jun 28 04:06:39 Robi_: lol vmware server? Jun 28 04:06:53 ya 1.0.9 i think Jun 28 04:07:12 the vbox vmdk is all wrong ;] Jun 28 04:07:19 i can book armv5 stuff .. but not armv7 it seems Jun 28 04:07:24 Oh, I meant qemu with the native arm stuff Jun 28 04:07:25 at least with the -kernel -initrd commands Jun 28 04:07:33 maybe you need a -mtd image? Jun 28 04:07:37 and it will do it from there ? Jun 28 04:07:45 yeah I assume the official sdk is an x86 recompile Jun 28 04:07:46 boot rather Jun 28 04:07:52 from what i hear, it is Jun 28 04:08:18 I was at first like ARM under vmware? wha? Jun 28 04:08:32 did they add a new kind of host I wasn't aware of? Jun 28 04:10:42 Hi Jun 28 04:14:38 i need sdk help Jun 28 04:14:48 nvm Jun 28 04:18:04 hmm, i think the OSX wiki needs an update Jun 28 04:18:17 sax:/opt/nova/bin$ ./novaterm Jun 28 04:18:17 ./novaterm: line 2: /opt/nova/bin/novacom: Bad CPU type in executable Jun 28 04:18:17 ./novaterm: line 2: /opt/nova/bin/novacom: Unknown error: 0 Jun 28 04:18:26 <- PowerPC osx machine Jun 28 04:18:48 sax, you can try the linux directions Jun 28 04:18:56 ooo Jun 28 04:19:00 and grab the reverse engineered driver Jun 28 04:19:11 you need macports tho .. and libusb Jun 28 04:19:21 hm Jun 28 04:19:32 my alternative is a windows 7 machine Jun 28 04:19:38 * sax_ flips a coin Jun 28 04:19:55 novacomd doesn't work with windows 7.. Jun 28 04:20:39 ah, just followed the link ;p Jun 28 04:25:36 bpadalino, :( Jun 28 04:25:40 ?? Jun 28 04:25:42 I was gonna install windows 7 Jun 28 04:25:45 oh Jun 28 04:25:50 sax: there's always parallels / vmware fusion and xp also Jun 28 04:25:52 well that's OK! you can run our stuff!! Jun 28 04:25:54 :) Jun 28 04:26:10 bpadalino, but I can't sniff the file xfer packets Jun 28 04:26:11 but bpadalino's way's probably easier than all that Jun 28 04:26:31 does the emulator work on windows7? Jun 28 04:26:36 yup Jun 28 04:26:41 im using on Windows 7 Jun 28 04:26:43 32 bit Jun 28 04:26:43 well, that's good Jun 28 04:26:54 I'm almost done with my first App too! Jun 28 04:26:55 yeah, I'm getting that VM installed Jun 28 04:26:56 Ahchoo: the leaked one? doesnt seem to work for me... Jun 28 04:27:06 I got it working Jun 28 04:27:12 Vmware works under windows 7. I run it on 64 bit 7. Jun 28 04:27:32 I'm gonna run it on linux Jun 28 04:27:39 oh nice... I was afraid it wouldnt work on 64 bit so I stayed away. Jun 28 04:27:44 Ahchoo: did you have to do anything special? Jun 28 04:27:57 unless someone can lend me an iso of XP Pro. I have my own key but not valid install media anymore. Jun 28 04:27:58 :( Jun 28 04:28:22 gaffo_laptop: just dl an iso, MS doesnt care, as long as you have a key Jun 28 04:28:28 Nah nothing too special Jun 28 04:28:31 what errors do you have? Jun 28 04:28:32 gaffo_laptop: or, more like, they stopped caring Jun 28 04:28:37 Ahchoo: it just doesnt open Jun 28 04:28:44 is there some way to make the pre run the first time setup (the "introduction") again? Jun 28 04:28:53 gkatsev, I can't find a damn iso for xp Jun 28 04:29:02 ahh... thats odd... My open and installed... It was full of compatibility warnings Jun 28 04:29:04 but it installed Jun 28 04:29:13 Ahchoo: yep, it installed fine Jun 28 04:29:17 just doesnt open... Jun 28 04:29:20 MTW: it's probably an app on the phone Jun 28 04:29:36 Do you get any error messages? Jun 28 04:30:22 des, probably, but i can't find it Jun 28 04:30:22 ;\ Jun 28 04:31:00 Ahchoo: non that i can find Jun 28 04:31:10 MTW: why do you want it? Jun 28 04:31:17 IIRC it's just a movie Jun 28 04:31:22 oh, palminsepector.exe says i dont have icuuc40.dll... Jun 28 04:31:44 You need to install Safari Jun 28 04:31:53 and then add Safari to your PATH Jun 28 04:31:53 will Chrome work instead? Jun 28 04:32:03 des, nope, it's not a movie Jun 28 04:32:06 it makes you do things Jun 28 04:32:17 Specifically mentions Safari... Both are developed with Webkit probably... but I'm not sure Jun 28 04:32:20 oh I remember now, gesture and stuff Jun 28 04:32:23 a few things about are interesting from a pre app design standpoint Jun 28 04:33:11 Btw... Anyone else working on making Apps right now? Are you testing yours with the Emulator or with your phone? Cause I'm doing all my testing on my phone and I'm not sure its a good thing... Jun 28 04:34:06 Ahchoo: a lot of us aren't in the SDK program and there's not a working legally distributable emulator at this point Jun 28 04:34:30 MTW: I just noticed the palm emulator has an app called First Use....probably what you are looking for. Jun 28 04:34:31 Ahchoo: so many of us test directly on the phone, without much in the way of probles Jun 28 04:34:33 problems Jun 28 04:34:50 NICE! thanks wiz Jun 28 04:34:54 i cant get the emu to start Jun 28 04:34:59 installed virtual box and the JDK Jun 28 04:35:00 open the exe Jun 28 04:35:02 nothing occurs Jun 28 04:35:21 please keep use sdk talk to #webos though Jun 28 04:35:38 sweet deal Jun 28 04:35:41 guess I should head there Jun 28 04:36:20 Yep...com.palm.app.firstuse is in the WebOS Image. Jun 28 04:36:45 Its just not visible. Jun 28 04:36:51 if you have a rooted pre, you could make it visible. Jun 28 04:37:09 same way as http://predev.wikidot.com/unhide-the-developermode-app Jun 28 04:37:15 exatly Jun 28 04:37:18 exactly Jun 28 04:37:21 :) Jun 28 04:42:08 Interestingly firstuse just seems to hang with a sky image for me.. Jun 28 05:00:30 ok. off to bed I've just borked my app completely, and am getting index.html instead of my scene... which means I made some stupid error I'm too tired to understand Jun 28 05:00:32 off to bed Jun 28 05:00:34 gnight all Jun 28 05:01:15 night Jun 28 05:01:16 Alchoo: on the phone makes more sense. The emulator runs at a higher speed than the phone, and has other issues (no wifi, etc) Jun 28 05:01:58 We'll get a much more accurate "device" when we get qemu working, but it'll be slower Jun 28 05:05:11 test Jun 28 05:05:26 but wemu is a "long" way off Jun 28 05:05:35 -w +q Jun 28 05:16:01 Does anyone know how to enable scrolling in my app? Jun 28 05:17:15 seems like we have a few Philly people in here Jun 28 05:20:11 yep philly here Jun 28 05:20:25 anyone able to root the emu yet? Jun 28 05:24:06 binary not that i know of but that would be amazing Jun 28 05:25:58 Binarytech_home: I don't have the emulator so I don't know for sure, but it's virtualbox, I'm sure there's a disk image in the emulator, so rooting it should be easy, just mount it in another VM running linux and make your changes Jun 28 05:26:30 x86? Jun 28 05:26:38 yeah Jun 28 05:26:45 why?? Jun 28 05:27:04 maybe they didn't want to mess with qemu-arm Jun 28 05:27:14 x86 is a lot more commonly emulated Jun 28 05:27:20 and they have the source code Jun 28 05:27:22 seems they are still focused on mojo development Jun 28 05:27:31 qemu arm is not bad Jun 28 05:27:41 and vbox uses qemu for hwemu Jun 28 05:27:52 of course, the sdk was intended as a mojo environment it seems Jun 28 05:55:27 HEy i have a question Jun 28 05:56:55 Ok i need help seting it to roam only Jun 28 05:57:16 i edited the file and now its just blank Jun 28 05:57:44 the pref card is blank Jun 28 06:01:48 Why is the room so quiet Jun 28 06:02:18 +v Jun 28 06:05:03 dsfgds Jun 28 06:05:04 gfd Jun 28 06:05:04 gf Jun 28 06:05:04 df Jun 28 06:05:04 df Jun 28 06:05:04 dfs Jun 28 06:05:06 s Jun 28 06:05:08 gs Jun 28 06:05:10 fg Jun 28 06:05:12 HELLO Jun 28 06:06:21 HEllo Jun 28 06:08:33 is it possible to revord vid on the pre Jun 28 06:08:54 Sloppyjm: not yet, as far as I know Jun 28 06:09:17 Do you think it will ever come Jun 28 06:09:31 I'm sure one day Jun 28 06:09:58 jackie: do u know annything about the roam only mod im having trouble Jun 28 06:10:20 I don't, but it sounds like you've typoed something Jun 28 06:10:51 OK thanks Jun 28 06:11:09 JAckie: why is it so queit in here? Jun 28 06:11:26 no clue Jun 28 06:12:05 also when will apps be created we all know the sdk was leaked Jun 28 06:12:58 heh Jun 28 06:13:02 I have no idea Jun 28 06:13:14 I've been hacking stock apps, myself Jun 28 06:13:23 I'm not really a javascript guy Jun 28 06:13:37 YEah im realy bad at coding Jun 28 06:14:04 i dont think the leaking of the sdk has given us much more than what we had before in terms of developing apps has it? Jun 28 06:14:40 well wasent the sdk was what weve been waiting for Jun 28 06:15:07 I know of no one admitting to having it Jun 28 06:15:23 I have two apps so far - Lottery Picker and Rss reader Jun 28 06:15:53 ive seen the sdk on torrents Jun 28 06:16:18 I've /finally/ manages to get a separate sound for messages Jun 28 06:16:26 working on email now Jun 28 06:16:37 managed, that is Jun 28 06:16:58 and then maybe message forwarding Jun 28 06:20:19 good luck jack Jun 28 06:20:39 Thanks man Jun 28 06:21:14 if my email sounds test works, I'll post the mod on the wiki Jun 28 06:21:25 If not, I'll post just the messaging one Jun 28 06:22:24 thanks jackie Jun 28 06:55:34 where are user installed applications stored on the palm pre? Jun 28 06:55:40 such as pandora Jun 28 06:56:43 http://predev.wikidot.com/var-usr-palm-applications Jun 28 06:57:00 thank you Jun 28 07:00:30 you're welcome Jun 28 07:24:30 i cant see my phone via usb Jun 28 07:52:34 hi Jun 28 10:49:27 anyone with a Pre awake? Jun 28 10:49:53 if so, can you tell me which of the following directories exist on the Pre: /usr/lib/luna/applications:/var/luna/applications:/var/usr/lib/luna/applications:/usr/palm/applications:/var/usr/palm/applications Jun 28 10:50:08 (or more to the point, which ones don't exist) Jun 28 12:14:47 EvanDotPro: ping Jun 28 12:25:50 Is there a quicker way to go from USB mode back to just charging w/o having to disconnect->reconnect? Jun 28 12:37:46 morning Jun 28 12:37:54 morning Jun 28 13:15:49 I know this is a stupid question, but has anyone tried telneting to the pre (with novacom running) at 127.0.0.1:6968? Jun 28 14:07:02 miun, that would be a way to send commands to novacom - yes Jun 28 14:07:17 miun:if you telnet to port 6970, you can see the debug info from novacom Jun 28 14:29:35 wtf, I went to bed and then got up and now the keyboard on my pre doesn't work at all. Jun 28 14:30:46 Got a window? Jun 28 14:30:54 preferably 2, 3 stories high? Jun 28 14:30:57 haha Jun 28 14:31:04 I do have the insurance Jun 28 14:31:17 did you reboot it? Jun 28 14:31:19 yes Jun 28 14:31:33 crashx-: can you do the hardware test on it? Jun 28 14:31:49 procedure on the wiki? Jun 28 14:31:56 Ummm not sure Jun 28 14:31:59 hang on ill just type it out Jun 28 14:32:01 k Jun 28 14:32:12 gonna take a shower will try it when I get back. thanks Jun 28 14:33:18 Open launcher -> device info -> more info (scroll down to find) -> open that menu (It says prefrences in the corner, click it) and hit interactive tests. Then there is a Hardware buttons test to run Jun 28 14:33:58 Anywhere I said click, I ment tap :-P Jun 28 14:34:08 hehe Jun 28 14:35:09 See if it responds to the tests, if not, call sprint and tell them your very angry at this, and expect both a replacement, and a credit to your account :-) Jun 28 14:36:28 crashx-: also, don't bother with the insurence just yet if it comes down to that, see if you can get sprint to replace the phone for you, the phone is only 3 weeks old, no reason for them to charge you for the kb crapping out so soon Jun 28 14:37:12 * Snake_ goes back into lurk mode Jun 28 15:02:03 anyone else tried drnull's musicplayer mod for bookmarking? Jun 28 15:02:21 if so, working? Jun 28 15:04:02 bah, it doesn't work Jun 28 15:04:07 mumb.e Jun 28 15:04:11 -. + l Jun 28 15:30:00 rwhitby: only the last two exist (yay 5 hour reply - I just worke up) Jun 28 16:06:32 are we allowed to talk about the sdk here? Jun 28 16:08:13 Yes, just mind the NDA and don't post any links to leaked copies Jun 28 16:08:49 Also, meant to do this Friday... Posted the Novacom installation procedure for Windows 7 here: http://predev.wikidot.com/novacom-windows-7 Jun 28 16:09:19 bsiegel: have you tried the usbnet with Win7? Jun 28 16:10:06 kk, so i have it installed. i have virtualbox installed too. i set up the virtual machine as "other linux" and pointed it to the iso file. where do i go to point it to the vmdk? what is the next step beyond that? Jun 28 16:10:32 bsiegel: specifically, I'm referring to this: http://predev.wikidot.com/usbnet-setup Jun 28 16:11:26 yay bsiegel you are mah hero Jun 28 16:12:59 ParanoidAndroid: the SDK emulator comes configured, you shouldn't have to make a new vm Jun 28 16:17:38 destinal: got it, thanks. didnt realize it was easier than pie lol Jun 28 16:17:52 i was like WHYYYYY Jun 28 16:17:56 heh Jun 28 16:17:59 np Jun 28 16:18:16 here goes nothing! Jun 28 16:19:00 woooo! Jun 28 16:20:33 does anyone know the right resolution? (a letter to boot with will work) or do i just use the default Jun 28 16:25:58 I haven't tried USBnet, but it seems like it should work fine. If it works under vista, 99% of the time it works identically under Win7 Jun 28 16:27:19 1 Jun 28 16:27:57 lars47: I haven't tried USBnet, but it seems like it should work fine. If it works under vista, 99% of the time it works identically under Win7 Jun 28 16:29:09 whenever i try and run palmemulator.exe, nothing visible happens. should i reboot (i havent since installing it), or did i miss a step somewhere? Jun 28 16:29:10 I've been trying. Can't seem to get the drivers loaded. Jun 28 16:29:30 the novacom drivers? Jun 28 16:29:33 bsiegel: spoke too soon. Jun 28 16:29:55 bsiegel: just came back from a reboot, and this time it worked. Wondering if it has anything to do with following your novacom instructions first. Jun 28 16:30:59 Not sure, it doesn't seem like it should require novacom to be installed at all Jun 28 16:31:45 bsiegel: yeah, not sure what's going on here. Previously while attempting to install the driver, the driver install failed with an error about a "file in use" or somesuch. post-reboot, it "just worked". Jun 28 16:32:03 bsiegel: (this is the usbnet stuff I'm talking about, not novacom) Jun 28 16:32:44 Hello all! Who shall we contact if we have an idea to add to the community ideas page? Jun 28 16:33:18 g_money: what exactly do you consider a community idea? Jun 28 16:33:22 first we must all vote to see if your idea is worthy of being added to the community page Jun 28 16:33:30 ok...fair enough Jun 28 16:33:34 then .. a series of tests ... trials if you will Jun 28 16:33:46 ...of increasing difficulty Jun 28 16:33:56 I think we should mod the photo app to allow changes to the photo file names right on the Pre Jun 28 16:34:01 ...and if it finally passes, we shall post it up on the site and take all the credit Jun 28 16:34:14 It's all in the EULA. Jun 28 16:34:24 lars47, maybe decreasing difficulty - just to make it even more embarrassing if you fail past the first test Jun 28 16:34:33 Ah, we should amend the EULA then. Jun 28 16:34:46 g Jun 28 16:35:28 g_money, make the mod ... and post the patch - once the patch has been verified (and released under an MIT license by you) - we can add it to the wiki Jun 28 16:37:26 maybe I misunderstood then....I thought the community idea page was something where we could throw ideas out there...I don't have any programming skillz Jun 28 16:38:29 oh .. that might be problematic :( Jun 28 16:38:56 you could see this as an opportunity to learn ? Jun 28 16:38:58 g_money: try the precentral forums. There is an app wishlist there Jun 28 16:39:01 g_money -- Generally in the open source community, if you have an itch, you end up having to scratch it yourself. If you can't scratch it, you need to do some legwork to find someone who can help. Jun 28 16:39:28 g_money: yes, precentral forums is a good place to put out the "wishes" Jun 28 16:39:33 i am sure once you start something and the momentum builds, other people will gladly join and help out Jun 28 16:39:52 If you can raise enough interest amongst like-minded people. Jun 28 16:43:10 so whenever i run the palm emulator, nothing happens. anyone else see this? Jun 28 16:43:55 ParanoidAndroid: yes, it means you haven't installed everything you need to install Jun 28 16:44:39 ok. do i need to install safari? Jun 28 16:44:48 thats the 1 thing i dont think ive installed yet Jun 28 16:45:25 i have virtualbox and the sdk installed, is there a list up on the wiki with what else i need? Jun 28 16:48:48 shweet. Got usbnet working on Windows 7 x64. Jun 28 16:50:47 ParanoidAndroid: you're doing something illegal. We're not really supposed to help you achieve that. Jun 28 16:51:13 Just curious, is it "illegal" or is it "unapproved"? Jun 28 16:51:28 according to what bsiegel said, so long as there are no links posted, then its fine Jun 28 16:53:00 Also curious: wondering how you guys are managing your own mods. I've taken to using WinSCP to pull over directories as I need them from the pre to my PC, then checking all the files into subversion. That way I can track my mods. Then when I need to push them back over, I'm using WinSCP again with it's Synchronize functionality. Jun 28 16:55:59 also, all i've found says that i only need the sdk and vbox Jun 28 16:59:29 lars47: pretty much the same Jun 28 17:17:32 cphelps: Did you pull all the files off the pre, or do you just pull them as you change them? Jun 28 17:17:56 I was thinking I'd like to pull them all down, but need to avoid certain device files/dirs, etc. Jun 28 17:19:32 hrm. just poked around and found the nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar. Jun 28 17:21:03 lars47: I used the web doctor, there is a 1.0.3 image that I copy from usually Jun 28 17:21:23 Yeah, I think i just found that image. Jun 28 17:21:32 and here I am pulling files over via scp. Jun 28 17:21:34 doy. Jun 28 17:25:01 ParanoidAndroid: Regardless of what bsiegel said, we need to be careful that no (what I'll call) "trade secrets" are used to develop any open source apps that are developed here. To me, this means we all need to individually exercise judgement in what we say. Jun 28 17:27:12 acknowledged. Jun 28 17:28:03 s for acknowledging.I'm definitely not saying you general discussion shouldn't be allowed, but discussing procedures regarding how to install an unapproved release of the SDK here is probably likely to anger Palm and possibly their level of cooperation with several devs in this channel. Thanks for understanding. Thank Jun 28 17:28:03 Here comes WinMo marketplace ... http://bit.ly/5z9nY Jun 28 17:28:42 huh, so i got kicked, reconnected but it says im still here. Jun 28 17:28:58 stop being paranoid. Jun 28 17:29:06 but theyre all out to get me Jun 28 17:29:32 I think he might meant for me to stop being paranoid. Jun 28 17:29:53 then this is an ironic conversation to the last! Jun 28 17:30:09 bclancy: ha, no. I meant the android. Jun 28 17:30:09 yep! Jun 28 17:32:13 Hey quick question... Is anyone else having problems with their nascar app? Jun 28 17:32:20 oh dear Jun 28 17:32:22 ParanoidAndroid: there is discussion in a forum on PreCentral where I think questions like your are asking might already be answered. Jun 28 17:33:15 other than that it's there taking up space, I've never used the Nascar app yet. what sort of problems? Jun 28 17:33:27 i am really considering returning this pre and getting a blackberry at least there are things available to use with the blackberry Jun 28 17:33:52 I get an error message when I load up the about about not being able to connect to the server Jun 28 17:34:18 I ditched my Blackberry Bold for the Pre and will never go back... Jun 28 17:34:48 cphelps: Could I trouble you for the filename of the webos image you used? was it nova-cust-image-castle.rootfs.tar.gz? Jun 28 17:35:11 yep, that's pretty much the whole shebang Jun 28 17:35:19 minus the sprint apps Jun 28 17:35:21 i really dont want to wait a year or so for the hope that some apps are available for the pre Jun 28 17:35:35 better get an iphone then Jun 28 17:35:39 noahbody: I think you'll be waiting maybe 3 months tops. Jun 28 17:35:49 And after that, there'll probably be an explosion. Jun 28 17:35:56 nah i have been with sprint for 10 years now Jun 28 17:36:04 wont go to att Jun 28 17:36:04 me too Jun 28 17:36:07 I say 3 to 6... and honestly I was going to start posting the apps I made on the forums... Jun 28 17:36:12 i suppose they were right when they said "patience is a virtue" Jun 28 17:36:43 I made a Stop Watch App last night... I am adding a Lap timer. I am also working on a file browser too. Jun 28 17:36:51 noahbody, is there anything specific about the Pre we can help you with? (These devs are trying to remedy exactly the issue that's causing you to leave.) We've noted that you want to leave. Jun 28 17:37:55 I really want an app that lets me put one application in the background and run another program. Oh, wait... Jun 28 17:38:03 Could someone do me a favor and click on their Nascar App and see if they get an error? Jun 28 17:38:22 checking nascar... Jun 28 17:38:25 over wifi Jun 28 17:38:30 yeah, it's down. Jun 28 17:38:56 * sugardave has no problems with the NASCAR app after he removed it. Jun 28 17:39:06 damn :-( Race is on soon.... Jun 28 17:39:19 Thanks for the help Lars47 Jun 28 17:39:25 ahchoo: yw Jun 28 17:40:00 down for me too - perhaps the server is overloaded - keep trying Jun 28 17:43:34 Who should I ping re: edit access to the wiki? Jun 28 17:43:46 I'd like to add confirmation that usbnet works on Win7 x64. Jun 28 17:44:02 I've already tried the "How to Edit" stuff on the wiki. Jun 28 17:45:12 You can let Rick know. Also I think there is a link to request edit/contribution Jun 28 17:46:54 lars47: rwhitby, I think. If you want to open a chat tab with me, I can make edits for you in the meantime Jun 28 17:56:08 hey Jun 28 17:56:14 can anyone put their pre in DFU Jun 28 17:56:21 and tell me the vendor and product ID? Jun 28 17:56:56 OT: Billy Mays died. Jun 28 17:57:07 yeah, i heard :( Jun 28 17:57:25 No chance of him pimping the Pre now I guess. Jun 28 17:57:45 chron, did you get far with the dfu stuff ? Jun 28 17:59:08 chron: if you want to tell me how, I'll try Jun 28 17:59:11 chron, and by dfu mode are you saying "volume-up + plug in usb" which puts the pre in bootie mode ? Jun 28 17:59:21 no Jun 28 17:59:25 i mean turn off pre Jun 28 17:59:27 plug in usb Jun 28 17:59:28 turn on Jun 28 17:59:31 thats dfu i hear Jun 28 17:59:48 when you plug in the usb, it will start normal bootup unless some other modifier is used Jun 28 17:59:51 like volume up Jun 28 18:00:15 grrr, it was something like that Jun 28 18:00:26 i was tired last night (up late) when told how to do it :/ Jun 28 18:00:33 damn...it was smth like that Jun 28 18:00:34 don't have the log ? Jun 28 18:00:40 no Jun 28 18:00:41 hmm Jun 28 18:00:44 maybe it was this Jun 28 18:00:45 plug in usb Jun 28 18:00:47 then turn it off Jun 28 18:00:50 then turn on Jun 28 18:01:00 not reboot, but completely turn it off i mean Jun 28 18:01:33 when you "turn it off" while plugged into USB, it goes into bootie mode as well .. just fyi Jun 28 18:01:34 i'll try your suggestion Jun 28 18:01:55 what would happen if you removed the battery, then plugged into USB, then replaced battery? Jun 28 18:02:03 maybe that was it Jun 28 18:02:11 damn, i _REALLY_ should have logged tht :P Jun 28 18:02:17 i would guess it would boot up normally Jun 28 18:02:22 alright, pre is "off" Jun 28 18:02:28 going to turn it back on Jun 28 18:02:32 ok Jun 28 18:02:34 erm .. weird Jun 28 18:02:45 yes? Jun 28 18:02:48 i turned my pre off with the usb plugged in .. Jun 28 18:02:53 and let it sit connected Jun 28 18:02:57 and it decided to boot itself back up Jun 28 18:03:02 (normal boot) Jun 28 18:03:06 hmm Jun 28 18:03:11 maybe remove battery with usb in Jun 28 18:03:15 hi folks Jun 28 18:03:15 then put battery back in Jun 28 18:03:19 got damn i wish i logged it Jun 28 18:03:40 i'll unplug and turn it off .. yank battery .. then plug in ... and put the battery back in Jun 28 18:04:00 need to wait for it to come back up tho Jun 28 18:04:27 So I was thinking, and I'm SURE this has come up before... I was looking at the "application-framework" page on Wiki and wondering, how hard would it be to write "native" applications and simply link them into a WebOS App via the plugin architecture, just like Classic? Jun 28 18:05:07 I suspect at least Java apps would be doable.. Jun 28 18:05:28 creo, we've made our own java services which are callable via mojo .. Jun 28 18:05:36 controlling the ui is still a bit of a mystery for us righ tnow, though Jun 28 18:05:40 ah Jun 28 18:05:57 ok, battery out Jun 28 18:05:59 plugging in usb Jun 28 18:06:28 so you're referring to, for instance, in Classic, how to control the "native" (or Java) app via the web buttons / javascript? Jun 28 18:06:34 big question mark with the battery comes up Jun 28 18:06:55 turn it off first Jun 28 18:07:01 it was off Jun 28 18:07:04 the battery was out Jun 28 18:07:07 bclancy sorry went out for a smoke, its just the lack of anything really, i mean there is stuff out there for the social networking sites which i have no interest in Jun 28 18:07:08 plugged in Jun 28 18:07:10 and turn it off again Jun 28 18:07:14 ok Jun 28 18:07:14 still plugged in Jun 28 18:07:20 then put battery in Jun 28 18:07:30 i just had my battery replaced yesterday Jun 28 18:07:43 no reponse to the power button Jun 28 18:09:21 noahbody: I understand the frustration - we have people here reverse engineering to learn how to program the SDK - there will soon be more apps, but right now the Pre has to be rooted to install many of them Jun 28 18:09:25 doesn't look like the phone can be booted without a battery ... or operate without a battery at all Jun 28 18:09:53 i have tried to root mine but vista64 doesnt want to do much Jun 28 18:10:00 grrr Jun 28 18:10:11 many of the apps are just experimental at the present time and more or less proof of concepts than real apps Jun 28 18:10:12 it should say omap3430 on the screen, i think it was Jun 28 18:10:14 when in dfu Jun 28 18:10:28 ok Jun 28 18:11:09 maybe when my wife goes to work i will steal her vista32 laptop and try to root this Jun 28 18:11:13 with OMAP's at work, we've had to hold something while turning off and turning on .. does that sound familiar ? Jun 28 18:12:02 noahbody: just be certain to follow the full procedure so that your rooted Pre is also protected Jun 28 18:12:10 ok Jun 28 18:12:47 anytime i tried it on vista64 all it does is hangs doesnt do anything else Jun 28 18:12:48 hmm Jun 28 18:12:56 bpadalino Jun 28 18:13:02 what did you have to hold? Jun 28 18:13:14 and once its rooted what can you do with it then? Jun 28 18:13:32 on our platform it was ptt i think .. but i don't know where that button went Jun 28 18:13:33 maybe i can just find someone with a BB that can check Jun 28 18:13:41 as BBs were designed to let u use dfu :P Jun 28 18:13:44 noahbody: The rooting page says it works with Cista-64 http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy Jun 28 18:14:03 hmmm Jun 28 18:14:18 You should try and ask specific questions here if you get stuck at a given step Jun 28 18:14:42 how does the iphone get into dfu mode ? Jun 28 18:15:03 ok Jun 28 18:15:34 i just hate to ask to many questions and make myself look stupid is all Jun 28 18:16:07 noahbody: once rooted, you can currently do things like ssh into your pre from another computer (typically the one your USB is plugged into) - If you know linux, then you can look around and learn more about how the device works Jun 28 18:16:08 i am fair with linux and really hate windows Jun 28 18:17:22 that was not a graceful reboot .. the power + vibrate switch 3x .. Jun 28 18:17:26 interesting Jun 28 18:17:38 any one able to get bitchx running on the pre yet? Jun 28 18:17:41 I think you are a good candiate to move forward - let's quiesce ourselves on the channel - open a tab to me if you want - once you start rooting via Vista-64, definitely ask those questions on the channel Jun 28 18:18:05 ok thanks bclancy Jun 28 18:18:34 i have a feeling i was doing something wrong when i tried to root this Jun 28 18:19:00 i'll try again in a couple of hours after i get the wife off to work Jun 28 18:21:02 Please try in 64 bit Vista first if you will - if there are bugs in the procedure, we'll want to fix the procedure (if all else fails, we'll forgive you when you go ahead with your wife's computer_ Jun 28 18:21:11 has anyone been sucsessful in logging on to the pre with novacom without doing anything to the pre? for example to bypass the first time activation without editing the webos doctor. Jun 28 18:23:07 So has anyone had experience with the SDK? Jun 28 18:25:19 its so strangely quiet. Jun 28 18:25:37 CreoBrian: see /topic Jun 28 18:25:50 oh right.. my bad. Jun 28 18:28:14 it looks like novacom writes a script file to the pre and then executes it Jun 28 18:29:01 CreoBrian: maybe they're all off playing with it right now? Jun 28 18:29:21 lol.. good possibility Jun 28 18:29:39 * CreoBrian would love to as well Jun 28 18:33:04 I'm avoiding it for time being tbh Jun 28 18:35:05 has palm commented on it yet? I really hope it doesn't slow down the official rollout plans :-/ Jun 28 18:35:18 if i had the sdk i wouldnt know the 1st thing on what to do with it lol Jun 28 18:35:27 Some suspect they themselves leaked it. Jun 28 18:35:36 But it's all just talk. Jun 28 18:35:46 anything is possible Jun 28 18:35:51 More likely someone was let into the early access program who had already decided they weren't interested in developing on Pre. Jun 28 18:37:57 anyone have imap setup with authentication? My fails for being able to send mail and it is using the same settings that work on Thunderbird Jun 28 18:41:39 I had issue with self-signed certs until I imported the CA crt, but other than that, no Jun 28 18:41:54 not using a cert Jun 28 18:42:17 just user auth before sending Jun 28 18:43:19 * r3compile waves hello! Jun 28 18:57:26 I use qmail and I'm hoping that's using IMAP Jun 28 18:57:50 sorry, I meant gmail Jun 28 19:10:33 has anyone been experiencing profile logout problems since doing development? Jun 28 19:11:05 it has happend to me three times now Jun 28 19:11:56 Hi... I need some serious help. I rooted and install a custom dialpad theme and now i am try to full erase my phone and it won't do the job Jun 28 19:12:12 Is the a way to do this, plz help Jun 28 19:12:22 mrvc: clarification question: do you mean since rooting the pre and installing apps, SDK development, or something else? Jun 28 19:13:02 are you just trying to restore it to factory freshness? if so, I think web doctor would work. Jun 28 19:13:08 How can i restored the phone back to just how i got it. Jun 28 19:13:43 Saiks: maybe you can explain more about what the custom dialpad theme is/was - need to know the beast you need to get rid of before I might be able to help Jun 28 19:14:05 How do i use it? jar or zip Jun 28 19:14:38 theres a Palm URL that supposdly explains this - give me a sec Jun 28 19:14:43 http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_sprint.html Jun 28 19:14:55 that's it Jun 28 19:16:26 Is there a page for modifying the boot logos? I've already done it, but I'd like to share my images. Jun 28 19:16:57 might be not sure Jun 28 19:17:01 bclancy: I've enabled dev mode and got a terminal, but I haven't made any changes Jun 28 19:18:00 I rooted the phone, and tried to install ssh but that didn't work after trying for two days. I changed my dial pad theme to the blk and green one. Now when i do a full reset, it resets and comes on again without palm profile. Jun 28 19:18:47 When i rooted mode, i installed the ipkg, var all that stuff and just want to take it all off and start all over Jun 28 19:18:58 I recall someone loosing profile stuff after installing or uninstalling the roam-only hack - search through the logs of this IRC - do you need URLs for the logs or not? Jun 28 19:19:48 thanks bclancy Jun 28 19:20:19 yes Jun 28 19:20:23 bclancy: I can use the phone without issues for a while, maybe a couple of days, but then it will complain about not being logged into the profile anymore Jun 28 19:20:24 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ Jun 28 19:21:24 looks like both of you are having the same/similar issues - you'll need to search the logs (or search on google) unless someone else on the channel knows the answer Jun 28 19:21:24 bclancy: it was fine before I started playing with developer mode, but the problem isn't consistent enough to really know if that is related Jun 28 19:22:16 I've found some reports of people who had this happen every day Jun 28 19:22:33 finally decided it was a hardware problem and exchanged the phone Jun 28 19:23:23 bclancy: anyway, thanks Jun 28 19:30:22 SUCCESS Jun 28 19:30:25 rooted Jun 28 19:30:35 vista64 Jun 28 19:30:48 i guess i was doing it all wrong to begin with Jun 28 19:37:57 so the wiki instructions are good then? were there any steps that could use more info to prevent confusion, or were they good for you? Jun 28 19:38:11 i am trying to open my battery cover for my serial number, can't remove the battery so i can download the webos doctor... Is there any other serial i can use to download? Jun 28 19:40:23 The serial number is displayed in the device info Jun 28 19:40:49 are you having trouble getting the back off? Jun 28 19:42:29 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/support/webos/siteclips/pre/p100eww/device-back.mov&s5=false Jun 28 19:43:01 Connecting to gitorious.org (87.238.52.168:80) Jun 28 19:43:01 wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Jun 28 19:43:10 whats with that? Jun 28 19:44:44 this page works fine for me: http://gitorious.org/webos-internals Jun 28 19:58:44 whats better to use dropbear or openssh? Jun 28 19:58:52 anyone? Jun 28 19:59:21 i use openssh Jun 28 19:59:30 dropbear is a little lighter weight Jun 28 19:59:40 so it uses less resources at the expense of less features Jun 28 19:59:43 ok Jun 28 19:59:53 i was leaning towards openssh Jun 28 20:01:46 * phazen18 finally managed to use samba to share out the userspace storage Jun 28 20:02:02 wow Jun 28 20:02:16 hrm, the fix-email-attachments page is a little rough around the edges Jun 28 20:08:28 being able to use samba to drop mp3's onto the device is pretty cool Jun 28 20:09:28 I'm setting it up now. Seems like a good idea. :P Jun 28 20:10:16 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/176287-usb-mass-storage-samba.html for instructions Jun 28 20:10:33 Does webos doctor works on windows 7? Jun 28 20:12:07 My phone is not being recognised Jun 28 20:21:27 * phazen18 ponders setting up avahi Jun 28 20:21:46 Hey guys. I am trying to get into webos dev, but i am having troubles making just a text box. This is my scene for it http://dpaste.com/60908/ and the js http://dpaste.com/60909/ . Could i please get some help and/or some pointers as to why it isnt working? Jun 28 20:27:33 hey guys i have a question, I'm trying to load the images in my usb drive and its saying cannot create Readonly-File system Jun 28 20:58:18 so who found RocknRollHax? Jun 28 20:59:12 can anyone help me troubleshoot my app Jun 28 21:02:04 ParanoidAndroid: what you need? Jun 28 21:09:11 so I havvent been able to root my pre yet, but im curious, does this mean software pirating could become rampant on webos? Jun 28 21:10:08 since we can essientially purchase, download, then rebuild the ipk right? Jun 28 21:10:14 pirating just because you can root it? Probably no more so that the iPhone since you can root it too Jun 28 21:11:04 well no Jun 28 21:11:12 djk1: you dont have the source on the iphone Jun 28 21:11:20 so you can't recomplie the applications Jun 28 21:11:45 however, HTML/Javascript doesnt really have a "source", if you follow me Jun 28 21:12:31 someone else can better speak to the 'source' but there are probably way developers can protect uing binaries Jun 28 21:13:05 Those Sprint commercials just lied to me... They said right now 7100 people were listening to nascar race radio on their phones... Well the nascar app servers are down... So no one could possibly be listening to it... they lied!! Jun 28 21:13:17 yeah but thats the thing, it was my understanding that WebOS apps run on standard HTML and JS, thus no binarys Jun 28 21:13:53 have a problem with browser download mod -- mp3s don't give me the option to stream Jun 28 21:14:13 followed all the instructions on the wiki Jun 28 21:14:13 I was thinking possibly the apps would install themselves into a lower/more protected folder like android, but if we can run as root.. Jun 28 21:14:22 as I said others can speak to the 'source' but I think there is more to it than the text base stuff Jun 28 21:14:36 Yeah im not sure :-/ Jun 28 21:14:42 Any pre devs around?? Jun 28 21:15:15 the apps can reference other files that can be encrypted it is linux Jun 28 21:17:54 ? Jun 28 21:18:05