**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 30 02:59:57 2009
Jun 30 02:59:59 <paul__> They don't look to good
Jun 30 03:03:09 <paul__> how do we find the user-agent of the palm?
Jun 30 03:09:18 <chron[macbook]> hi
Jun 30 03:09:31 <chron[macbook]> i heard new update broke the konami trick or smth?
Jun 30 03:10:04 <bpadalino> new update broke email to install ipk's ..
Jun 30 03:10:12 <bpadalino> not anything else from what i recall ?
Jun 30 03:10:38 <chron[macbook]> hmmm
Jun 30 03:10:43 <chron[macbook]> thats an odd turnaround
Jun 30 03:10:45 <chron[macbook]> regadless
Jun 30 03:10:50 <chron[macbook]> it has been bypassed alrady, no?
Jun 30 03:10:53 <chron[macbook]> *already
Jun 30 03:11:10 <chron[macbook]> ppl have "jailbroken" 1.0.4 yet, i mean?
Jun 30 03:11:33 <edektor> chron[macbook]:  you mean rooted?
Jun 30 03:11:39 <chron[macbook]> yes
Jun 30 03:11:44 <bpadalino> you can't click links to install ipk's .. that's the only thing that is different
Jun 30 03:11:49 <bpadalino> everything else works like before
Jun 30 03:11:55 <edektor> i think it just works still
Jun 30 03:12:00 <chron[macbook]> so 1.0.4 has been rooted, good :)
Jun 30 03:12:27 <Kaerey> WOO HOO I get my computer back .. brb
Jun 30 03:12:35 <chron[macbook]> just making sure
Jun 30 03:14:37 <chron[macbook]> woooow
Jun 30 03:14:45 <chron[macbook]> the blog sites are easily confused :P
Jun 30 03:15:01 <chron[macbook]> one i read made it seem like you couldn't root anymore
Jun 30 03:15:17 <Kaerey> ohh how I love this machine
Jun 30 03:15:23 <bpadalino> the blogs are very easily confused :(
Jun 30 03:17:15 <paul__> Anyone know what "Weave" is about?
Jun 30 03:34:19 <orim181> Anybody consistently getting "connection-refused" errors when trying to putty into the emulator?
Jun 30 03:34:35 <Technobabble> check the port?
Jun 30 03:34:36 <orim181> I have my Vista firewall off and no other firewall running.
Jun 30 03:34:46 <orim181> which port?
Jun 30 03:35:07 <orim181> i'm puttying into localhost:5522 with the emulator running in the backgound
Jun 30 03:35:30 <orim181> (thanks for the attempted help, tho)
Jun 30 03:36:12 <gaffo_> orim181, I'm having issues getting to the emulator with the shell scripts
Jun 30 03:36:27 <orim181> what do u mean gaffo?
Jun 30 03:36:38 <orim181> the palm-install.bat script?
Jun 30 03:36:39 <gaffo_> I keep getting a no device found
Jun 30 03:36:40 <gaffo_> yeah
Jun 30 03:36:51 <orim181> i read on the forum a solution to that
Jun 30 03:36:53 <orim181> lemme look it up
Jun 30 03:37:09 <orim181> palm-install.bat gives me the same "connection-refused" error but brb while i look your issue up
Jun 30 03:37:18 <gaffo_> orim181, I'm on w7
Jun 30 03:37:38 <orim181> ok
Jun 30 03:37:57 <orim181> ever consider have a virtual windows xp or vista?
Jun 30 03:38:00 <orim181> brb tho
Jun 30 03:38:04 <MTW> guys
Jun 30 03:38:10 <MTW> the fucking thing is asking me to update
Jun 30 03:38:11 <MTW> what do i do
Jun 30 03:38:14 <MTW> update or not update
Jun 30 03:38:20 <gaffo_> orim181, can't run vbox under vmwware
Jun 30 03:38:27 <bpadalino> gaffo, try the precomd driver! compile it in cygwin and see if it works for you
Jun 30 03:38:43 <destinal> paul__: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.0; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.27.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/525.27.1 Pre/1.0
Jun 30 03:38:45 <Kaerey> orim181 please see the topic
Jun 30 03:38:53 <orim181> gaffo, u're running the command line as administrator right?
Jun 30 03:38:55 <MTW> guys
Jun 30 03:38:57 <MTW> help
Jun 30 03:39:01 <bpadalino> MTW, update
Jun 30 03:39:08 <gaffo_> bpadalino, computers not that configured yet :)
Jun 30 03:39:09 <Kaerey> update
Jun 30 03:39:13 <bpadalino> ah
Jun 30 03:39:14 <MTW> You sure :(
Jun 30 03:39:22 <MTW> i can still root it afterwards, right?
Jun 30 03:39:25 <gaffo_> bpadalino, need to install cygwin
Jun 30 03:39:46 <bpadalino> gotcha
Jun 30 03:39:48 <orim181> what topic kaerey?
Jun 30 03:39:55 <Kaerey> channel topic
Jun 30 03:39:55 <bpadalino> MTW, you will still be able to get a root shell - yes ..
Jun 30 03:40:03 <bpadalino> new update does not disable novacom
Jun 30 03:40:16 <gaffo_> orim181, I got it fixed. thanks for lookin!
Jun 30 03:40:30 <orim181> ok
Jun 30 03:40:36 <orim181> i just saw the topic. sorry
Jun 30 03:41:08 <gaffo_> bpadalino, I think there's about 30 different packages I need under cygwin :)
Jun 30 03:41:17 <bpadalino> most likely :\
Jun 30 04:14:00 <gaffo_> bpadalino, still installing cygwin :(
Jun 30 04:14:12 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 30 04:16:55 <ParanoidAndroid> anyone willing to toss some app help over in #webos?
Jun 30 04:20:04 <chron[macbook]> hey
Jun 30 04:20:15 <chron[macbook]> anyone know how i can contact palm about a gpl violation?
Jun 30 04:20:27 <chron[macbook]> cpuboot has statically compiled libusb shit
Jun 30 04:20:33 <rwhitby> chron[macbook]: http://opensource.palm.com/opensource_contact.html
Jun 30 04:20:35 <chron[macbook]> so source needs to be released
Jun 30 04:20:44 <chron[macbook]> thx
Jun 30 04:21:17 <Sargun> chron[macbook], isn't libusb LGPLG?
Jun 30 04:21:20 <Sargun> LGPL
Jun 30 04:21:22 <rwhitby> I thought libusb is quite a good library, not "shit"
Jun 30 04:21:34 <Sargun> rwhitby, LGPL = shit?
Jun 30 04:21:59 <rwhitby> Sargun: was responding to chron[macbook]'s earlier comment, not yours :-)
Jun 30 04:22:29 <ParanoidAndroid> has anyone had problems updating?
Jun 30 04:22:39 <ParanoidAndroid> i havent been able to connect to the update server since 1.0.2
Jun 30 04:22:56 <bsiegel-away> ParanoidAndroid: I had the same problem with the update server
Jun 30 04:23:05 <chron[macbook]> it is very nice
Jun 30 04:23:06 <bsiegel-away> most likely the same anyhow
Jun 30 04:23:07 <chron[macbook]> not shit at all
Jun 30 04:23:12 <ParanoidAndroid> bsiegel: any fix?
Jun 30 04:23:15 <chron[macbook]> i just mean libusb shit statically compiled in cpuboot
Jun 30 04:23:19 <chron[macbook]> shit == stuf in this case
Jun 30 04:23:20 <chron[macbook]> *stuff
Jun 30 04:23:25 <bsiegel-away> I did a partial reset of the device and things worked after that
Jun 30 04:23:33 <bsiegel-away> All my linked contacts went poof though
Jun 30 04:23:45 <Sargun> ah.
Jun 30 04:24:00 <VoodooGod> Anyone know how to activate the GPS chip from command line?  I have GPS tracking working, but don't always have my GPS activated in settings.  I didn't see anything in the wiki about it.
Jun 30 04:24:11 <ParanoidAndroid> ill give that a try
Jun 30 04:25:30 <hemna> sup folks
Jun 30 04:25:35 <hemna> what's the haps tonight?
Jun 30 04:30:09 <ParanoidAndroid> bsiegel: did you just go to devise info -> reset options -> partial erase?
Jun 30 04:30:41 <ParanoidAndroid> our course, with "device" spelled correctly
Jun 30 04:30:51 <bsiegel-away> ParanoidAndroid: yep
Jun 30 04:31:02 <bsiegel-away> but
Jun 30 04:31:06 <bsiegel-away> I did a manual backup first
Jun 30 04:31:17 <bsiegel-away> from the backup app
Jun 30 04:31:42 <ParanoidAndroid> skipped that step, didnt have anything outrageously important on there
Jun 30 04:31:52 <ParanoidAndroid> it seems to not be working
Jun 30 04:31:56 <ParanoidAndroid> so i may just try doctoring it up
Jun 30 04:32:03 <ParanoidAndroid> otherwise ima ask for another one
Jun 30 04:32:32 <ParanoidAndroid> well, still cant connect to the update server
Jun 30 04:33:11 <Sargun> VoodooGod, should be trivial
Jun 30 04:34:09 <VoodooGod> ok. . .when you say trivial. . . :-)  How do I actually access the method for activating the GPS chip?
Jun 30 04:35:03 <VoodooGod> I know that may be more in depth than you can provide, but where would I look for an example?  Where is the settings app javascript source or is it something I can even view?
Jun 30 04:36:24 <showergel> y'elo
Jun 30 04:36:34 <VoodooGod> If someone can point me in the right direction on the wiki, that would be excellent also.  I searched and couldn't find anything relevant.
Jun 30 04:46:05 <destinal> ok
Jun 30 04:46:20 <bpadalino> so you're going to retry the capture ?
Jun 30 04:46:22 <destinal> so I have my capture buffers larger on USBlyzer now, I can try it again
Jun 30 04:46:29 <bpadalino> excellent
Jun 30 04:46:31 <destinal> I need devmode, don't I?
Jun 30 04:46:42 <destinal> for novacomd
Jun 30 04:46:45 <bpadalino> yeah - some way to get into novacom
Jun 30 04:48:19 <destinal> ok any other setting besides buffer size that matters?  I didn't see much extraneous info so type filtering probably isn't important
Jun 30 04:48:46 <gaffo_> bpadalino, what's git repo for the app?
Jun 30 04:48:58 <bpadalino> gaffo, on gitorious ?
Jun 30 04:49:01 <VoodooGod> Nevermind, found the info I need in the luna-send page
Jun 30 04:49:02 <gaffo_> sure
Jun 30 04:49:27 <bpadalino> Clone this repository (Git / HTTP) : git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd.git
Jun 30 04:49:31 <bpadalino> or do you want the push ?
Jun 30 04:49:44 <gaffo_> pull's fine for now
Jun 30 04:49:46 <hemna> precomd ?
Jun 30 04:50:04 <bpadalino> the replacement for novacomd supplied by palm
Jun 30 04:50:09 <bpadalino> all open source
Jun 30 04:50:21 <hemna> ah ok cool
Jun 30 04:50:32 <destinal> well" novacom" is the client, novacomd the daemon on the pre, isn't it?
Jun 30 04:50:37 <bpadalino> yeah
Jun 30 04:50:39 <bpadalino> well
Jun 30 04:50:42 <bpadalino> you get 2 daemons ..
Jun 30 04:50:45 <bpadalino> one on either side
Jun 30 04:50:48 <hemna> I'm just using the novacom client that comes w/ the sdk
Jun 30 04:50:49 <bpadalino> and they connect to each other
Jun 30 04:52:12 <destinal> ok dev mode on, restarting
Jun 30 04:52:38 <Wizard_> hi.
Jun 30 04:52:46 <destinal> I figure it's worth the pain of typing konami another time or two to get the pre-reboot handshake
Jun 30 04:53:12 <bpadalino> i think it might just be tellbootie
Jun 30 04:53:39 <Wizard_> anyone know were in the world the png for the top and bottom status bats are? (notifications+ permanent top bar)
Jun 30 04:53:44 <gaffo_> bpadalino, does it compile right now?
Jun 30 04:53:48 <Wizard_> bars*
Jun 30 04:53:50 <bpadalino> gaffo, should!
Jun 30 04:57:11 <aex0> hi guys
Jun 30 04:57:32 <aex0> if i have a question about rooting the emulator, should i ask it here or #webOS?
Jun 30 04:57:51 <Wizard_> Not allowed i don't think.
Jun 30 04:58:08 <aex0> what do you mean?
Jun 30 04:58:14 <Wizard_> It violates the NDA
Jun 30 04:58:23 <Wizard_> i *think*
Jun 30 04:58:34 <aex0> well, i ssh'ed into it...
Jun 30 04:58:47 <destinal> aex0: yeah, that's all you should need
Jun 30 04:58:48 <Wizard_> yea i don't think you need to root it
Jun 30 04:58:50 <aex0> and it says on the dev wiki page
Jun 30 04:59:11 <aex0> i wasn't sure if it meant SSH or Telnet
Jun 30 05:00:34 <aex0> well, other than that, i was following all the "next steps" directions
Jun 30 05:00:45 <aex0> but ipkg-opt update gives me a syntax error
Jun 30 05:00:57 <rwhitby> aex0: ah, you're asking about installing optware on the emulator.
Jun 30 05:01:03 <rwhitby> that's on-topic.
Jun 30 05:01:21 <rwhitby> (we assume you have a legitimate copy of the SDK)
Jun 30 05:01:29 <Noahbody> aex0 you doing that as root?
Jun 30 05:01:39 <aex0> yeah
Jun 30 05:01:40 <destinal> bpadalino: it stopped working entirely
Jun 30 05:01:45 <aex0> it didn't say to log out
Jun 30 05:01:48 <bpadalino> destinal, ah crap
Jun 30 05:01:50 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 30 05:01:50 <destinal> not seeing any handshaking
Jun 30 05:02:03 <bpadalino> what the crap
Jun 30 05:02:08 <destinal> AND I can't restore any more
Jun 30 05:02:16 <bpadalino> it's totally done for ?
Jun 30 05:02:22 <bpadalino> first bricked pre ever ?
Jun 30 05:02:26 <destinal> no, not bricked
Jun 30 05:02:27 <destinal> it's up
Jun 30 05:02:29 <bpadalino> oh, ok
Jun 30 05:02:30 <aex0> basically, just this: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
Jun 30 05:02:32 <destinal> and I could reboot with volume up
Jun 30 05:02:34 <destinal> I'm sure
Jun 30 05:02:38 <bpadalino> hrmm ..
Jun 30 05:02:44 <destinal> but it's not talking to novacom in the running linux env
Jun 30 05:02:44 <rwhitby> aex0: you need optware for i686
Jun 30 05:03:36 <bpadalino> so i am using objdump and c++-filt to get the method names and their prototypes ...
Jun 30 05:03:48 <bpadalino> turns out all dbus callbacks use LSHandle pointers ..
Jun 30 05:04:09 <bpadalino> so by going through all the binaries, we can figure out which methods are accessible by that way
Jun 30 05:04:16 <gaffo_> :)
Jun 30 05:04:52 <destinal> cool
Jun 30 05:05:05 <destinal> going to try rebooting to straighten my machine
Jun 30 05:05:43 <rwhitby> aex0: here's one I prepared earlier: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/i686g25/cross/unstable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_i686.ipk
Jun 30 05:05:46 <aex0> rwhitby: ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk ?
Jun 30 05:05:56 <aex0> or do you mean something else
Jun 30 05:06:00 <rwhitby> aex0: here's one I prepared earlier: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/i686g25/cross/unstable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_i686.ipk
Jun 30 05:06:14 <aex0> oh
Jun 30 05:06:17 <aex0> thanks
Jun 30 05:07:39 <bpadalino> http://webos.pastebin.com/m28059b3e - lunasysmgr has a lot of callbacks
Jun 30 05:08:08 <bpadalino> line 20 shows rescan
Jun 30 05:08:33 <bpadalino> line 115 is the installNoVerify method
Jun 30 05:10:04 <rwhitby> bpadalino: nice of palm to leave those objdump and c++filt binaries on the device for you to use ...
Jun 30 05:10:17 <bpadalino> i know, they're so considerate .. :)
Jun 30 05:10:26 <bpadalino> i appreciate it guys! (since i know this is logged)
Jun 30 05:10:31 <rwhitby> saves having to install the optware versions :-)
Jun 30 05:10:57 <bpadalino> indeed .. and thanks for using C++ which has the entire prototype in the mangled name
Jun 30 05:11:03 <bpadalino> instead of just the function name
Jun 30 05:13:59 <ParanoidAndroid> does anyone know how to play sounds (extended, not just simple alert sounds) yet?
Jun 30 05:17:53 <msphobia> The wiki seems to direct everyone to install ssh listening on port 222 instead of on port 22, is there a good reason for this? (palm is reserving 22 for something) or if it's more of safety by obscurity suggestion?
Jun 30 05:19:01 <dk0r> any details on 1.0.4? Is it a non-recommended update?
Jun 30 05:19:34 <rwhitby> msphobia: is seems the emulator starts a dropbear on 22
Jun 30 05:19:42 <rwhitby> we didn't want to collide with that.
Jun 30 05:20:04 <rwhitby> dk0r: it plugs the email security vulnerability, without affecting legitimate secure root access mechanisms.
Jun 30 05:20:08 <destinal> rwhitby: I had a very close to stock pre start one on 2222, I have no idea how
Jun 30 05:20:25 <destinal> I re-wiped it before I had a chance to check it out
Jun 30 05:20:26 <dk0r> rwhitby ok. thanks.
Jun 30 05:21:07 <rwhitby> dk0r: make sure you unapply any palm code modifications before you install the OTA update, then reapply them again.  the 'quilt' tool is good for doing that.
Jun 30 05:21:22 <rwhitby> (but you have to have been using it already)
Jun 30 05:23:15 <rwhitby> ultraBlack: the /etc/profile issue is still present in the busybox method on that page
Jun 30 05:23:55 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 30 05:30:37 <destinal> devmode is on, but my novacom seems to have stopped talking to the installer
Jun 30 05:30:37 <destinal> odd
Jun 30 05:32:54 <bpadalino> very strange
Jun 30 05:33:59 <destinal> I grabbed another windows pc even so I know it's not that, and the pre works fine in mass storage mode
Jun 30 05:35:31 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 30 05:37:53 <destinal> aco
Jun 30 05:37:55 <destinal> ack
Jun 30 05:38:06 <destinal> we were unable to reset your phone.  please go to palm support for help
Jun 30 05:38:35 <destinal> this after rebooting bootie holding down up and capturing
Jun 30 05:38:36 <bpadalino> yowza
Jun 30 05:39:12 <bpadalino> do you see anything in your device manager ?
Jun 30 05:39:14 <bpadalino> novacom bootie ?
Jun 30 05:40:21 <bpadalino> i need to get to bed soon :(
Jun 30 05:40:36 <destinal> yeah, I tried again and it worked
Jun 30 05:40:43 <bpadalino> *phew*
Jun 30 05:40:49 <bpadalino> kinda scary
Jun 30 05:40:50 <destinal> with the capture buffer so large it filled almost immediately though
Jun 30 05:41:19 <bpadalino> are you only capturing the bulk transfer urbs ?
Jun 30 05:41:43 <thisisnotsully> sup
Jun 30 05:41:59 <destinal> they all say type: URB and Bulk or Interrupt request transfer
Jun 30 05:42:07 <destinal> I didn't set any filters though
Jun 30 05:42:21 <destinal> lots of pmuxes with binary
Jun 30 05:42:28 <bpadalino> hrmm .. lots of binary, huh ?
Jun 30 05:42:33 <destinal> yup
Jun 30 05:42:39 <bpadalino> interesting
Jun 30 05:42:43 <bpadalino> i wonder what it's transferring
Jun 30 05:42:50 <destinal> of course this time I may really have bricked my phone
Jun 30 05:42:54 <bpadalino> it fills up all 256MB that quickly ?
Jun 30 05:43:27 <destinal> I didn't have any steting for total buffer only URB transfer buffer
Jun 30 05:43:34 <destinal> I doubt it's 256 MB
Jun 30 05:43:43 <destinal> it's 64K per URB now
Jun 30 05:43:47 <bpadalino> check under your capture settings ..
Jun 30 05:43:52 <bpadalino> or under preferences
Jun 30 05:43:54 <bpadalino> there is a temp buffer size
Jun 30 05:43:57 <destinal> there's only URB transfer buffer in cap settings
Jun 30 05:44:17 <destinal> oh, temporary capture file size
Jun 30 05:44:18 <destinal> there we go
Jun 30 05:44:24 <destinal> in preferances
Jun 30 05:44:43 <bpadalino> ah,there you go
Jun 30 05:45:12 <destinal> let me battery power cycle, I hope it's not bricked
Jun 30 05:45:51 <bpadalino> i hope so too ..
Jun 30 05:46:05 <bpadalino> how are you aborting the webos doctor restores when we're capturing ?
Jun 30 05:47:12 <destinal> I wonder if the USBlyzer did something to the connection when its buffer filled
Jun 30 05:47:21 <destinal> you'd hope it wouldn't, but...
Jun 30 05:47:31 <bpadalino> yeah who knows
Jun 30 05:47:34 <bpadalino> :(
Jun 30 05:47:38 <destinal> fortunately I have a glowing boot logo so not bricked yet
Jun 30 05:47:43 <destinal> just momentarily confused pre
Jun 30 05:47:49 <bpadalino> if you can still get the usb logo - then you're good i think
Jun 30 05:47:52 <destinal> ok its back up
Jun 30 05:48:38 <bpadalino> unfortunately i need to hit the sack .. sleep for work tomorrow and all that jazz :(
Jun 30 05:49:31 <bpadalino> talk with you tomorrow - good luck and i appreciate the capturing
Jun 30 05:49:32 <destinal> I'll send you a link to a capture if I can straighten it out soon
Jun 30 05:49:35 <thisisnotsully> what are you trying to do destinal?
Jun 30 05:49:42 <bpadalino> thanks
Jun 30 05:49:51 <destinal> thisisnotsully: capture the webos doctor restore session
Jun 30 05:50:02 <destinal> thisisnotsully: (USB)
Jun 30 05:50:04 <thisisnotsully> wish i knew what the hell that meant lol
Jun 30 05:50:19 * thisisnotsully isn't super smart =x
Jun 30 05:50:33 <destinal> when you need to restore your phone, palm gives you a webos restore program called "webos doctor"
Jun 30 05:50:36 <thisisnotsully> just bought my pre
Jun 30 05:50:42 <thisisnotsully> oh ok
Jun 30 05:50:49 <destinal> it basically wipes it and puts a factory image on it
Jun 30 05:50:54 <thisisnotsully> gotchya
Jun 30 05:51:02 <destinal> we want to understand better how so we can do it in linux, among other things
Jun 30 05:51:19 <destinal> there's no version of it that works under linux at this point
Jun 30 05:51:26 <thisisnotsully> ahhh
Jun 30 05:52:05 <thisisnotsully> any benefit of "homebrewing" this bad boy yet?
Jun 30 05:52:21 <ParanoidAndroid> because we want apps that they havent given us
Jun 30 05:52:29 <ParanoidAndroid> and may not
Jun 30 05:53:02 <thisisnotsully> any examples? all i've heard so far is a NES emulator
Jun 30 05:53:04 <destinal> thisisnotsully: lots of benefits but the question is way too broad
Jun 30 05:53:09 <thisisnotsully> sorry
Jun 30 05:53:28 <destinal> I don't know about "killer apps" yet
Jun 30 05:53:33 <thisisnotsully> for example, when you jailbreak an iphone you can get a video camera, customize the UI, get 3rd party apps
Jun 30 05:53:35 <destinal> it's early days
Jun 30 05:53:40 <thisisnotsully> yea absolutley
Jun 30 05:53:49 <thisisnotsully> im a complete newb to palms, i'
Jun 30 05:53:54 <destinal> you get 3rd party apps here too
Jun 30 05:53:59 <thisisnotsully> ive had an iphone for over a year now, and i just switched to the pre
Jun 30 05:54:00 <destinal> there aren't many yet
Jun 30 05:54:39 <thisisnotsully> yea the phone and OS are brand new
Jun 30 05:54:52 <destinal> thisisnotsully: check out the wiki for examples of mods
Jun 30 05:54:58 <thisisnotsully> yea will do
Jun 30 05:55:08 <thisisnotsully> you think apple will stop us from being able to sync via itunes sometime soon?
Jun 30 05:55:36 <destinal> I don't see what they'd gain
Jun 30 05:55:49 <destinal> pre users using itunes is more people using itunes
Jun 30 05:56:07 <destinal> they want that
Jun 30 05:56:18 <thisisnotsully> yea
Jun 30 05:56:52 <thisisnotsully> alright thanks for answering my newb questions, ill stick around though
Jun 30 05:58:54 <destinal> cool, also check out #webos for general usage and app development
Jun 30 05:59:35 <thisisnotsully> sweet
Jun 30 06:01:17 <Bouquet> heya, just got prompted for an update.  Is it safe?
Jun 30 06:23:53 <wayne47> Evening.  I'm trying to figure out why the message sound change on the Wiki refuses to sound if the Pre is locked.  Any ideas?
Jun 30 06:38:29 <Snake_> damn it the palm update overwrote my boot theme :(
Jun 30 06:38:31 <ParanoidAndroid> does the emulator have sound by default or do i have to set something up
Jun 30 06:38:33 <wayne47> Hmm.  OK.  ANyone know where Mojo.Log writes ?
Jun 30 06:38:46 * Snake_ wonders what else he lost
Jun 30 06:39:36 <ParanoidAndroid> wayne: what do you mean locked
Jun 30 06:40:00 <rwhitby> Snake_: an OTA will overwrite anything that's not in /opt
Jun 30 06:40:09 <rwhitby> (potentially)
Jun 30 06:40:17 <Snake_> :-/
Jun 30 06:40:21 <wayne47> When it is sitting on the touchstone charger, showing the time in large friendly numbers with the yellow lock icon on the bootom of the screen
Jun 30 06:40:23 <Snake_> lamme
Jun 30 06:40:28 <rwhitby> that's why it's important to do modifications correctly.
Jun 30 06:40:54 <Snake_> I wish I could set the clock app to launch when I put it on the touchstone
Jun 30 06:40:57 <Snake_> looks soo much nicer :)
Jun 30 06:41:06 <button> agree
Jun 30 06:41:07 <ParanoidAndroid> ah
Jun 30 06:41:18 <ParanoidAndroid> thought u meant the ringer off at the top possibly
Jun 30 06:42:01 * Snake_ sighs
Jun 30 06:42:04 <Snake_> think I broke my amazonmp3
Jun 30 06:42:10 <Snake_> it wont load haha
Jun 30 06:42:19 <wayne47> no, I need the darn thing to wake me up if I get a page at night.  Added the mod, it works oK if the screen is on but all is quiet if its not
Jun 30 06:42:40 <Wizard_> anyone know how to access /media/internal in the sdk?
Jun 30 06:42:43 <wayne47> I'm guessing that notifications are disabled, wanted to read the log, can't locate it
Jun 30 06:44:58 <rwhitby> Snake_: should have used quilt to apply your mods, then you can quilt pop -a before the OTA update, and quilt push -a after it.
Jun 30 06:46:17 * rwhitby expects a lot of people will be complaining about mods being overwritten until the community realises that quilt is required to manage these things.
Jun 30 06:46:56 <Tiv> probably
Jun 30 06:47:08 <Tiv> i seen alot of "complaints" of sorts since the update
Jun 30 06:47:23 <Tivon> everything I've don or modded has ramined unchanged since the update
Jun 30 06:47:25 <Tivon> but i didn't do too much
Jun 30 06:50:03 <Snake_> Hmmm I dont understand this..
Jun 30 06:50:13 <Snake_> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods
Jun 30 06:50:16 <Snake_> downloading over EVDO
Jun 30 06:50:26 <Snake_> when I do the directions, it doesnt even load any more
Jun 30 06:54:50 <Tivon> anyone know where the images for the USB & Media Sync are located
Jun 30 06:54:59 <Tivon> I want to add my logo onto those images
Jun 30 06:55:22 <Tivon> don't see them in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/images/
Jun 30 06:55:59 <ihateyourband> /usr/palm/sysmgr/images
Jun 30 06:56:56 <Tivon> ty
Jun 30 06:57:03 <ihateyourband> np :)
Jun 30 06:57:36 <Tivon> drive-mode-fullscreen.png
Jun 30 06:57:44 <Tivon> media-sync-fullscreen.png
Jun 30 06:57:45 <Tivon> nice.
Jun 30 07:01:39 <Snake_> sudo /sbin/stop LunaSysMgr
Jun 30 07:01:42 <Snake_> oops wrong terminal :)
Jun 30 07:15:16 <simplyflipflops> pkill LunaSysMgr works too.
Jun 30 07:15:52 <simplyflipflops> maybe not in this terminal
Jun 30 07:16:43 <simplyflipflops> I've been using the rescan command that was presented in the wiki for coding lately.. it works great
Jun 30 07:16:55 <simplyflipflops> no need to refresh luna
Jun 30 07:17:08 <simplyflipflops> or reboot rather
Jun 30 07:17:14 <Snake_> Yeah I know which one your talking about, it didnt seem to want to work with my modded amazon store
Jun 30 07:17:20 <Snake_> The second command I used there did
Jun 30 07:17:28 <simplyflipflops> really/
Jun 30 07:17:34 <simplyflipflops> rescan a few times?
Jun 30 07:17:42 <Snake_> I copied the amazon store into the interal/apps
Jun 30 07:17:53 <Snake_> so I could have a 3g store, and did the rescan, nothin
Jun 30 07:17:54 <simplyflipflops> well do you close the app before rescanning?
Jun 30 07:18:06 <Snake_> yeah I never had the app open, it was just chillin on the touchstone
Jun 30 07:18:21 <simplyflipflops> interesting
Jun 30 07:18:42 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: It could have been my dumb mistake, I *THINK* I forgot to change the ID to match the app name in the /internal/app dir as well
Jun 30 07:18:49 <Snake_> if that would do it, then that was the problem
Jun 30 07:19:00 <simplyflipflops> I can only imagine that's due to a background connection
Jun 30 07:19:29 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: are you pissed they locked you out?
Jun 30 07:19:30 <Snake_> :)
Jun 30 07:19:40 <simplyflipflops> I have not looked into the amazon code
Jun 30 07:19:55 <simplyflipflops> no I'm not pissed
Jun 30 07:20:11 <simplyflipflops> not even pissed they didn't credit me. ;)
Jun 30 07:20:14 <Snake_> hehe
Jun 30 07:20:26 <Snake_> I wish theyd just give us an offical way to sideload apps while were waiting for the SDK
Jun 30 07:20:48 <simplyflipflops> they did.. it's called root access
Jun 30 07:21:06 <Snake_> Thats hardly offical
Jun 30 07:21:06 <simplyflipflops> they haven't taken that away
Jun 30 07:21:18 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: I mean more of an everyday user can do it
Jun 30 07:21:20 <Snake_> type deal
Jun 30 07:21:27 <Snake_> like installing apps in winmo or palmos
Jun 30 07:21:28 <simplyflipflops> sharing app with out non rooted friends will remain a mystery
Jun 30 07:21:46 <simplyflipflops> BUT.. it could get you a beer or two from your non rooted pre friends..
Jun 30 07:21:59 * Snake_ wishes he had a pre friend :(
Jun 30 07:22:15 <simplyflipflops> my boss just got his pre
Jun 30 07:22:16 <Snake_> Before I show them my phone none of my friends even know wtf a pre is
Jun 30 07:22:23 <simplyflipflops> I showed him the RocknRollHax today
Jun 30 07:22:32 <simplyflipflops> he was floored
Jun 30 07:22:40 <Snake_> Im floored
Jun 30 07:22:41 <Snake_> haha
Jun 30 07:22:55 <simplyflipflops> now he can't get my shoe on his desktop
Jun 30 07:23:13 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: I dont understand why Palm would hold stuff like that, and the multiple launcher pages back
Jun 30 07:23:31 <Snake_> Unless they plan to go all "OMG LOOK WHAT THIS UPDATE DID!" on a rainy day
Jun 30 07:23:33 <simplyflipflops> hold what back?
Jun 30 07:24:11 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: Why not just let the email app go landscape, and why not just let use add and remove pages from the launcher without messing with changing code (or typing in "RocknRollHax" :-)
Jun 30 07:24:49 <simplyflipflops> I say it's better they find probems like that now rather than later when someone exploits it
Jun 30 07:25:09 <simplyflipflops> I don't think the average user knows which wayis UP on the keyboard
Jun 30 07:25:13 <simplyflipflops> ;)
Jun 30 07:25:19 <Snake_> simplyflipflops: well sure, thats what im saying though
Jun 30 07:25:39 <Snake_> obviously the functionality is there, why not have it enabled at launch so that joe-moron can use it too?
Jun 30 07:25:56 <simplyflipflops> give them some time
Jun 30 07:26:04 <rwhitby> lack of testing is usually the reasons for that, or marketing, or carrier relations.
Jun 30 07:26:08 <simplyflipflops> it's a rather new device
Jun 30 07:26:35 * Snake_ meh
Jun 30 07:26:35 <Snake_> If i update sudoku will it overwrite my zoom hack?
Jun 30 07:26:59 <rwhitby> very likely.  time to learn quilt.
Jun 30 07:27:55 * rwhitby is looking for someone with legitimate emulator access to test out the optware install script: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/pre-emulator-bootstrap_1.2-5_i686.xsh
Jun 30 07:30:44 <simplyflipflops> so who has HTML5 db knowledge?
Jun 30 07:31:08 <simplyflipflops> my sqlite statements are crapping out in HTML5
Jun 30 07:31:28 <simplyflipflops> and I thought the two go hand and hand
Jun 30 07:32:26 <simplyflipflops> or better yet.. who can tell me how to call a sqlite3 database from webos so I don't have to use the internal calls.
Jun 30 07:33:10 <ParanoidAndroid> dous anyone know how the filesystem works on the pre? is file:// simply the equivalent of (driveletter)://  ?
Jun 30 07:33:30 <simplyflipflops> it's actually file:///
Jun 30 07:33:36 <ParanoidAndroid> ooooooo
Jun 30 07:33:37 <ParanoidAndroid> ty
Jun 30 07:34:07 <simplyflipflops> simplyflipflops
Jun 30 07:34:22 <ParanoidAndroid> that you are
Jun 30 07:34:57 <simplyflipflops> do you have pain in all the diodes down your left side?
Jun 30 07:36:15 <ParanoidAndroid> no, but if i dont get this to work soon, i might
Jun 30 07:36:34 <ParanoidAndroid> huh, you can also use /media/internal it looks like
Jun 30 07:39:47 <simplyflipflops> what are you working on? do tell.
Jun 30 07:41:44 <ParanoidAndroid> well, i really want to make a sound board app (like the flash ones with stewie and shit) with one day the hopes of being able to be in a phone call and it send the sound (unlikely, but worth a try :)
Jun 30 07:41:44 <ParanoidAndroid> so i have a button
Jun 30 07:41:47 <ParanoidAndroid> that i want to play a sound when i press
Jun 30 07:41:58 <ParanoidAndroid> so im reading all the audio.js files there is
Jun 30 07:42:01 <ParanoidAndroid> trying to get it to work
Jun 30 07:42:12 <ParanoidAndroid> im scouring how pandora does it
Jun 30 07:42:17 <ParanoidAndroid> breaking apart the media player
Jun 30 07:42:22 <ParanoidAndroid> and failing miserably so far
Jun 30 07:43:52 <simplyflipflops> you want to be able to send sound files over the phone on a call
Jun 30 07:43:56 <simplyflipflops> yes?
Jun 30 07:44:00 <ParanoidAndroid> basically
Jun 30 07:44:06 <ParanoidAndroid> because oh the fun i would have
Jun 30 07:44:10 <ParanoidAndroid> and many others i would assume
Jun 30 07:44:18 <simplyflipflops> wel.. each "card" has it's own memory
Jun 30 07:44:33 <simplyflipflops> don't know if you can share them like that
Jun 30 07:44:54 <ParanoidAndroid> yes, but if i can get the soundboard to work first, ill be happy
Jun 30 07:45:00 <simplyflipflops> you;re looking for the jerky boy hack
Jun 30 07:45:11 <ParanoidAndroid> indeed i am
Jun 30 07:45:15 <simplyflipflops> :D
Jun 30 07:45:24 <ParanoidAndroid> but if you think about it, if i succeed, i will be king of the jerky boys!
Jun 30 07:45:39 <simplyflipflops> send the sound file to the phone instead of the external soeaker
Jun 30 07:45:58 <simplyflipflops> yay!
Jun 30 07:47:14 <simplyflipflops> hmmm.. interesting
Jun 30 07:47:42 <simplyflipflops> I would look in the phone app
Jun 30 07:48:00 <simplyflipflops> try and reassign the touch tones keys to a sound file
Jun 30 07:48:06 <ParanoidAndroid> i was thinking of that
Jun 30 07:48:07 <simplyflipflops> instead of the other way around
Jun 30 07:48:22 <ParanoidAndroid> i found where they were, but the problem is that they use the system sounds thing
Jun 30 07:48:25 <ParanoidAndroid> which only does small files
Jun 30 07:48:36 <ParanoidAndroid> based on what i read in the oreilly
Jun 30 07:48:42 <ParanoidAndroid> but it may be totally wrong
Jun 30 07:48:54 <ParanoidAndroid> its not infallible (as it has shown in many a typo)
Jun 30 07:49:29 <simplyflipflops> so the question is whether the DTMF tones are simulated or generated by the phone app
Jun 30 07:49:38 <simplyflipflops> I haven't looked
Jun 30 07:49:53 <simplyflipflops> on mojo.tap.event
Jun 30 07:49:59 <simplyflipflops> for the touch tone keys
Jun 30 07:51:15 <simplyflipflops> sorry.. mojo.event.tap
Jun 30 07:54:05 <Snake_> does anyone have the directions to get the this flashlight going?
Jun 30 07:54:10 <Snake_> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/187407-my-flashlight-requires-rooting.html
Jun 30 07:54:25 <Snake_> The dev says the directions are "a few pages into the thread" but their not.
Jun 30 07:57:10 <Snake_> ah shit, found it, it wasnt a post by the dev but a user
Jun 30 08:01:07 <ParanoidAndroid> well based on my research i think it generates it
Jun 30 08:01:15 <ParanoidAndroid> but im stilling pulling the string
Jun 30 08:02:25 <ParanoidAndroid> where does palm:// lead?
Jun 30 08:04:46 <ParanoidAndroid> simply: found the files
Jun 30 08:05:00 <ParanoidAndroid> it uses .pcm files: pulse code modulation
Jun 30 08:06:19 <m3ga> headerless pcm files? yuck!
Jun 30 08:06:59 <ParanoidAndroid> omg, but at the same time, i think it will be easy to replace them with converted wav files.
Jun 30 08:07:06 <ParanoidAndroid> im excited now
Jun 30 08:07:14 <ParanoidAndroid> but i havent used them.  research time!
Jun 30 08:07:21 <m3ga> yep, libsndfile is already on there
Jun 30 08:09:05 <ParanoidAndroid> if i simply replace one of the button sounds on my actual pre.....will it rape my pre a new one?
Jun 30 08:09:26 <Snake_> meh fuck it im going to bed
Jun 30 08:16:54 <ParanoidAndroid> what precision pcm do you think i should use?
Jun 30 08:20:32 <ParanoidAndroid> well, heregoes
Jun 30 08:20:36 <ParanoidAndroid> if i die, speak of me well
Jun 30 08:20:47 <rwhitby> the doctor can fix you
Jun 30 08:24:31 <ParanoidAndroid> OM MY FUCKING GOD IT FUCKING WORKED
Jun 30 08:24:40 <ihateyourband> lol nice
Jun 30 08:24:42 <ParanoidAndroid> WHEN I PRESS 1 IT PLAYS A RACECAR DRIVEBY
Jun 30 08:24:56 <ParanoidAndroid> omgomgomg
Jun 30 08:25:06 <ParanoidAndroid> which one of my friends is up so i can call them and see if it sends it....
Jun 30 08:25:28 <ParanoidAndroid> wait...house phone. brb
Jun 30 08:27:00 <ParanoidAndroid> ok so it didnt send it
Jun 30 08:27:08 <ParanoidAndroid> im thinking that that is just the sound it plays
Jun 30 08:27:12 <ParanoidAndroid> when you press the button
Jun 30 08:27:22 <ParanoidAndroid> it did the regular tone while in call
Jun 30 08:28:09 <rwhitby> I thought dmtf tones were generated by the network, not the handset.
Jun 30 08:29:34 <Sargun> rwhitby, you're right.
Jun 30 08:30:31 <ParanoidAndroid> this may be true
Jun 30 08:30:35 <ParanoidAndroid> but it has its own set of them
Jun 30 08:30:41 <ParanoidAndroid> for all of its basic sounds
Jun 30 08:30:51 <ParanoidAndroid> like the swooshing of sending a card away
Jun 30 08:30:56 <ParanoidAndroid> that is all completely customizable now
Jun 30 08:31:41 <rwhitby> ParanoidAndroid: are you going to upload the code to the webos-applications site?  Do you want me to create a repo there for you?
Jun 30 08:31:58 <ParanoidAndroid> i can make a guide on the dev wiki
Jun 30 08:32:11 <ParanoidAndroid> there isnt much code, literally you just replace the files
Jun 30 08:32:14 <ParanoidAndroid> using winscp
Jun 30 08:32:17 <ParanoidAndroid> or whatever you want
Jun 30 08:32:25 <rwhitby> oh, I thought you might have a selector app
Jun 30 08:32:33 <ParanoidAndroid> lol, i just found out i could do that now
Jun 30 08:32:57 <rwhitby> I think there's a page on sound file replacement there already, but I could be wrong.
Jun 30 08:33:08 * oc80z peeks in
Jun 30 08:33:36 <ParanoidAndroid> i think its for the notifications/alerts alone
Jun 30 08:33:44 <ParanoidAndroid> which use straight waves
Jun 30 08:35:39 <ParanoidAndroid> i also had to reboot the os to get it to load the new sound file. got any ideas for a command i could try to reload them?
Jun 30 08:37:40 <ParanoidAndroid> so does anyone know where palm:// lies?
Jun 30 08:37:54 <m3ga> the sound file are probably cached by pulseaudio.
Jun 30 08:38:11 <ParanoidAndroid> i know, but i want to find com.palm.audio
Jun 30 08:48:19 <rwhitby> ParanoidAndroid: services
Jun 30 08:48:27 <rwhitby> not a filesystem
Jun 30 08:50:13 <ParanoidAndroid> hmmm
Jun 30 08:52:16 <rwhitby> ParanoidAndroid: run 'dbus-util --list"
Jun 30 08:52:29 <rwhitby> (without the quotes)
Jun 30 08:56:09 <rwhitby> ParanoidAndroid: is it listed in there?
Jun 30 08:56:09 <rwhitby> hmm - they might be luna:// rather than palm://
Jun 30 08:56:36 <ParanoidAndroid> yes it is
Jun 30 08:56:50 <ParanoidAndroid> its apparently /usr/sbin/audiod
Jun 30 08:56:57 <ParanoidAndroid> is com.palm.audio
Jun 30 08:57:46 <rwhitby> there ya go
Jun 30 08:58:03 <ParanoidAndroid> i dont know enough linux to use it tho lol
Jun 30 08:58:09 <ParanoidAndroid> can you access sbins?
Jun 30 08:58:16 <ParanoidAndroid> like reg bins?
Jun 30 08:58:23 <rwhitby> no
Jun 30 08:58:47 <rwhitby> that's a binary executable arm program that runs as a daemon
Jun 30 08:59:03 <rwhitby> you can send dbus messages to it
Jun 30 08:59:29 <rwhitby> have a look on the wiki and see if someone has written up how to snoop the dbus
Jun 30 09:00:21 <rwhitby> ParanoidAndroid: type "dbus-monitor --system"
Jun 30 09:00:30 <rwhitby> and then do stuff on the ui
Jun 30 09:03:08 <ParanoidAndroid> thats some cool shit if i've ever seen it
Jun 30 09:07:41 <ParanoidAndroid> ok, so i tested it and while in a call it definitely just sends a string with the number it wants through the phone
Jun 30 09:07:49 <ParanoidAndroid> while dialing it accesses the sounds
Jun 30 09:10:47 <ParanoidAndroid> wth? so some guy did snoop the com.palm.audio file, and there is a node in it called voicedialing
Jun 30 09:10:58 <ParanoidAndroid> are they going to implement that?
Jun 30 09:31:49 <Wizard_> anyone know if you can make the sdk emulator go into usb mode?
Jun 30 09:36:20 <ParanoidAndroid> ive heard you can i think but i dont know how
Jun 30 09:36:30 <ParanoidAndroid> or maybe i heard other people asking
Jun 30 09:36:31 <ParanoidAndroid> its late
Jun 30 09:36:36 <Wizard_> i feel ya lol
Jun 30 09:36:51 <ParanoidAndroid> anyone know how to use Mojo.Service.Request?
Jun 30 09:37:04 <ParanoidAndroid> specifically what i need in my program to be able to use it
Jun 30 09:42:03 <ParanoidAndroid> ok so i dont think i need anything specific anymore
Jun 30 09:42:17 <ParanoidAndroid> maybe my button listener has been bad this whole time
Jun 30 09:42:24 <ParanoidAndroid> that would kill me a little inside
Jun 30 09:56:52 <ParanoidAndroid> rwhitby, u mind looking at my assistant js to make sure its viable?
Jun 30 10:00:04 <ParanoidAndroid> anyone mind lookin at some quick javascript to see if its right?
Jun 30 10:30:39 <seige> hi
Jun 30 10:31:40 <seige> 1.0.4? when did this come out?
Jun 30 10:40:06 <LarrySteeze> *phew*
Jun 30 10:40:14 <LarrySteeze> I've been gone for a week and now I am back
Jun 30 12:32:08 <djk> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/org.webosinternals.services/org.webosinternals.services-0.4_all.ipk
Jun 30 13:53:21 * blau-mikeDG is grumpy
Jun 30 13:53:27 <djk> why
Jun 30 13:53:30 <blau-mikeDG> too many twits with the leaked sdk and no documentation
Jun 30 13:54:02 <djk> where is the sdk?
Jun 30 13:54:40 <en0x> on rapidshare
Jun 30 13:54:40 <blau-mikeDG> its been reported all over the place
Jun 30 13:54:57 <blau-mikeDG> im sure its fairly easy to find
Jun 30 13:55:09 <en0x> anyone know python?
Jun 30 13:55:12 <blau-mikeDG> so now instead of good developers trying to dev without an sdk and without documentation
Jun 30 13:55:14 <en0x> i need some help with the code
Jun 30 13:55:25 <blau-mikeDG> we have everyone trying to dev with the sdk but without documentation
Jun 30 13:56:07 <blau-mikeDG> sigh
Jun 30 13:56:36 <djk> i'm just curious what the sdk is like
Jun 30 13:57:30 <blau-mikeDG> i dont think the leaked version even includes eclipse plugins
Jun 30 13:59:55 <SirWill> Note the title, we do not talk about the leaked SDK in here.  Discusion surronding that can take place in #webos
Jun 30 14:00:03 <SirWill> er topic
Jun 30 14:01:59 <blau-mikeDG> webos is dead :/
Jun 30 14:02:25 <blau-mikeDG> but i shall respect your wishes
Jun 30 14:02:34 <giovani|work> en0x: yes
Jun 30 14:02:39 <djk> blau-mikeDG: you are really depressing why do you say it's dead
Jun 30 14:02:40 <blau-mikeDG> sorry
Jun 30 14:02:55 <blau-mikeDG> noones talking
Jun 30 14:03:04 <djk> oh you meant eh channel
Jun 30 14:03:09 <Optimo> you mean #webos is dead
Jun 30 14:03:11 <blau-mikeDG> oh yeah sorry
Jun 30 14:04:27 <en0x> giovani|work: http://wklej.org/hash/01c7bc6f80 I have script like this now I need two variables to it DATE1 and DATE2. DATE1 should go one month back 05/01/2009 and DATE2 should have 05/29/2009 fields by using the date library from python
Jun 30 14:08:08 <giovani|work> en0x: I'm not clear on exactly what you want
Jun 30 14:08:21 <giovani|work> the code isn't written to handle date objects at all
Jun 30 14:08:26 <giovani|work> you want it rewritten?
Jun 30 14:09:01 <en0x> i want to get date which goes month back
Jun 30 14:09:19 <en0x> if we have June now then it should print May date
Jun 30 14:09:35 <en0x> I can use dateutil
Jun 30 14:11:34 <giovani|work> en0x: it has start and stop vars, just set them to the ones you want
Jun 30 14:11:48 <giovani|work> I'm not clear on exactly what format it expects them in ... since there's no documentation
Jun 30 14:12:46 <en0x> k
Jun 30 14:23:18 <djwhitey> what IDE would some of you recommend for webos development? eclipse? visual studio?
Jun 30 14:23:52 <Rick_> there's a community developed plugin for eclipse
Jun 30 14:29:30 <summatusmentis> or, you know, a text editor
Jun 30 14:31:19 <djwhitey> meh on the text editor... looking for something with autocompletion
Jun 30 14:31:30 * djwhitey = lazy
Jun 30 14:31:38 <giovani|work> vim
Jun 30 14:32:04 <Rick_> the eclipse plugin is hostedon google code.  It's nice.
Jun 30 14:32:04 <djwhitey> haha ass
Jun 30 14:32:24 <Rick_> it's far from complete, but until someone leaks palm's eclipse plugin, it's probably as good as you can do.
Jun 30 14:32:40 <djwhitey> ty Rick_
Jun 30 14:32:50 <summatusmentis> vim can do auto-completion
Jun 30 14:33:15 <en0x> yap there is a plugin for this
Jun 30 14:33:18 <djwhitey> would this versionn of eclipse be sufficient: Eclipse IDE for Java Developers (92 MB)
Jun 30 14:34:08 <djwhitey> or should I get Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (189 MB)
Jun 30 14:35:02 <Rick_> any version of eclipse.  You're gong to install ANOTHER plugin, soget thesmaller one.
Jun 30 14:35:12 <Rick_> unless you WANT to develop java EE
Jun 30 14:35:18 <Rick_> :-)
Jun 30 14:35:20 <djwhitey> not so much =)
Jun 30 14:46:23 <bpadalino|work> ho hum
Jun 30 14:48:30 <mrjcarter> is the touchstone charger really that nice/convenient?
Jun 30 14:49:01 <mikewx> i'd love to have one, stop me from messing with that usb cover that's begging to be broken off
Jun 30 14:49:20 <mikeDOTd> mrjcarter: it's nice being able to just put it down, but it might be hard to justify the $70 cost
Jun 30 14:49:45 <mrjcarter> I'm more interested in the battery door itself, but on the fence about getting the puck
Jun 30 14:49:57 <mikeDOTd> i've got one at home and i'd like another for work but i can't justify it
Jun 30 14:50:06 <bpadalino|work> the matte back feels 100x better in your hand
Jun 30 14:50:09 <bpadalino|work> way less slippery
Jun 30 14:50:19 <mikewx> the horrid cost is why i don't yet have one
Jun 30 14:50:30 <mikewx> but the matte finish back really would be nice too
Jun 30 14:51:05 <bpadalino|work> gecko's feet cost a lot to harvest
Jun 30 14:51:07 <mrjcarter> fommy has the whole kit for $48+shipping
Jun 30 14:52:34 <mrjcarter> but $20 for just the battery cover? idk
Jun 30 14:54:20 <bpadalino|work> you know what i found interesting when i was at the sprint store handing the phone ..
Jun 30 14:54:30 <Tivon> <+bpadalino|work> gecko's feet cost a lot to harvest
Jun 30 14:54:32 <Tivon>  lol
Jun 30 14:54:34 <bpadalino|work> they put the security tag on the back cover
Jun 30 14:54:43 <bpadalino|work> ... which is easily removed
Jun 30 14:54:59 <Tivon> I bought the invisible shield for my phone, and i havent even install it because it seems like I'd be ruining my phone applying it
Jun 30 14:55:20 <dsevil> Tivon: take it back and get one from bestskinsever.com instead
Jun 30 14:55:22 <blau-mikeDG> y?
Jun 30 14:55:24 <mrjcarter> Tivon, I just ordered the phantom
Jun 30 14:55:31 <dsevil> much cheaper
Jun 30 14:55:35 <bpadalino|work> i've been carrying mine around in my pocket and there are 0 scratches
Jun 30 14:55:35 <Tivon> you have to apply some gel
Jun 30 14:55:37 <blau-mikeDG> lol bestskinever looked like beaver skin to me
Jun 30 14:55:41 <Tivon> then use a squeege tpe thing
Jun 30 14:55:54 <Tivon> and let it sit for "8-12" hours
Jun 30 14:55:56 <blau-mikeDG>  carry mine around naked too
Jun 30 14:55:57 <Tivon> i was just like F' it
Jun 30 14:56:09 <dsevil> i haven't tried mine yet, myself.
Jun 30 14:56:13 <Tivon> I wanted to buy the beltclip/ for it
Jun 30 14:56:19 <Tivon> but it doesn't leave room to plug in the headset
Jun 30 14:56:21 <Tivon> which is dumb
Jun 30 14:56:29 <Tivon> so i just still have my nakked too
Jun 30 14:56:30 <mrjcarter> I used to carry mine around naked (but in the pouch) until I found this random scratch in the middle of the screen
Jun 30 14:56:34 <mrjcarter> came out of no where
Jun 30 14:56:37 <totes6> Tivon: use bluetooth
Jun 30 14:56:42 <Rick_> mrjcarter:   iit isn't just a battery door.  THe touchstone backplate has a reciever coil, rectifier, and connections to the battery charging circuit.
Jun 30 14:56:46 <totes6> no need to plug in a head set its wirelees
Jun 30 14:56:49 <Tivon> haven't been able to get anything to connect Via bluetooth
Jun 30 14:56:57 <totes6> strange
Jun 30 14:57:01 <Tivon> my macbook or my headset
Jun 30 14:57:09 <mrjcarter> Rick_, i know, but for somebody not interested in the puck... its just a battery door
Jun 30 14:57:13 <dsevil> Rick_: ah, so that's why there's two metal thingies on the inside that are touching the battery door
Jun 30 14:57:27 <dsevil> neato
Jun 30 14:57:55 <Tivon> jthat touchstone seems too expensive
Jun 30 14:58:03 <Rick_> I expect homebrew PUCKS "soon."   I --really- expect a "MAKE" article at O'Reilly.   It's not complex.
Jun 30 14:58:07 <Tivon> i almost always just charge mine via usb on my macbook
Jun 30 14:58:14 <Rick_> it's an ocillator anda coil.
Jun 30 14:58:20 <dsevil> same here
Jun 30 14:58:21 <Rick_> and a big honking magnet
Jun 30 14:58:39 <dsevil> if my door falls off i'm not gonna worry about it
Jun 30 14:58:45 <Tivon> seems like a gimmick just to charge your phone
Jun 30 14:59:13 <blau-mikeDG> its convenient
Jun 30 14:59:15 <Rick_> otoh,  we messed around sun afternoon with a hand-wired coil, and a fridge magnet, a rectifier, and a voltage regulator and made a "touchstone to AA battery charger.  :-)
Jun 30 14:59:16 <demort> major issue with the touchstone is that the backlight stays on the entire time it's plugged in.
Jun 30 14:59:22 <demort> at least for me. ..
Jun 30 14:59:23 <Tivon> lol
Jun 30 14:59:27 <Tivon> thats dumb too
Jun 30 14:59:27 <dsevil> iirc if the phone rings while it's on the touchstone and you pick it up it answers automatically
Jun 30 14:59:51 <Rick_> dsevil,  and if you LEAVE it on the touchstone, it automagically enters speakerphone mode
Jun 30 15:00:01 <dsevil> weird
Jun 30 15:00:06 <Tivon> i have a lot of accidental dialing issues on my phone w/ the touchscreen
Jun 30 15:00:07 <demort> I'm trying to figure out how I can fix that, though...   drives me nuts
Jun 30 15:00:21 <mikewx> black tape?
Jun 30 15:00:22 <blau-mikeDG> accidental dialing?
Jun 30 15:00:33 <blau-mikeDG> like dials in your pocket? are you kidding?
Jun 30 15:00:44 <Tivon> nope, if i forget to turn off the screen
Jun 30 15:00:45 <blau-mikeDG> one button turns the screen on and its capacitive
Jun 30 15:00:55 <Tivon> i'll end up dialing something/some1 or random numbers
Jun 30 15:00:57 <Tivon> happens alot
Jun 30 15:01:00 <blau-mikeDG> what kinds of clothes are you wearing?
Jun 30 15:01:06 <Tivon> uhhhh...
Jun 30 15:01:09 <Tivon> human kind?
Jun 30 15:01:09 <dsevil> CLOTHES MADE FROM SKIN
Jun 30 15:01:18 <blau-mikeDG> living skin!
Jun 30 15:01:19 <Tivon> what kinda question is that lol
Jun 30 15:01:29 <demort> I guess I haven't figured out how to unlock my phone properly..   I can't get the damned thing to respond without opening the keyboard.
Jun 30 15:01:46 <blau-mikeDG> demort: press power?
Jun 30 15:02:14 <demort> that might do it
Jun 30 15:02:20 <mrjcarter> blau-mike
Jun 30 15:02:25 <blau-mikeDG> carter
Jun 30 15:02:25 <mrjcarter> DG, that was my guess too
Jun 30 15:02:36 <mrjcarter> (sorry, fat fingers)
Jun 30 15:02:46 <demort> like I was supposed to read the manual or something? :)
Jun 30 15:02:57 <bpadalino|work> i kinda wish volume buttons and the center nav button worked while asleep too
Jun 30 15:02:58 <blau-mikeDG> im very happy that palm decided not to make every button on the phone wake the screen up
Jun 30 15:03:19 <mikewx> i'm still tryign to decide what that button is supposed to do. i never use it
Jun 30 15:03:35 <bpadalino|work> the middle one? bring you into card mode
Jun 30 15:03:36 <bpadalino|work> and back
Jun 30 15:03:39 <blau-mikeDG> the center nav button is retarded beyond belief
Jun 30 15:03:41 <bpadalino|work> i never use it either
Jun 30 15:03:45 <mikewx> i swipe for that
Jun 30 15:03:46 <blau-mikeDG> it gets in the way of gesturing
Jun 30 15:03:58 <blau-mikeDG> and you can accomplish everything with a swipe
Jun 30 15:04:21 <blau-mikeDG> and it serves no purpose at all if you have no cards open
Jun 30 15:04:26 <Tivon> the middle button is like my emergency exit
Jun 30 15:04:30 <Tivon> for everything
Jun 30 15:04:48 <bpadalino|work> the next feature i'd love to see them implement is, while in landscape mode, swipe from the middle of the screen down (down gesture i guess?) to bring in a soft keyboard for simple typing - same gesture to make it disappear
Jun 30 15:05:13 <blau-mikeDG> learn to sideways type
Jun 30 15:05:14 <blau-mikeDG> :)
Jun 30 15:05:16 <Tivon> theres a softKB?
Jun 30 15:05:19 <blau-mikeDG> its not that bad
Jun 30 15:05:22 <mikewx> softkb would be great
Jun 30 15:05:33 <mikewx> i like hardware, but sometimes i just need to hit a letter or two qucik
Jun 30 15:05:36 <bpadalino|work> blau, seems a litle awkward .. i'll try it
Jun 30 15:05:41 <blau-mikeDG> at least with my left hand im not so good with the right hand sideways
Jun 30 15:05:44 <blau-mikeDG> and im right handed
Jun 30 15:05:51 <psykoz> I wouldn't mind just a softkb auto popping up for things in landscape mode period (on cursor detection)
Jun 30 15:06:06 <Tivon> i love the KB on my phone
Jun 30 15:06:20 <Tivon> thats the feature that makes it stand out imo
Jun 30 15:06:22 <blau-mikeDG> dg Quick Cut for webOS is coming along awesomely!
Jun 30 15:06:36 <Tivon> once i set up SpeedDial buttons
Jun 30 15:06:38 <bpadalino|work> Quick Cut ?
Jun 30 15:06:39 <psykoz> Yeah I love the hard keyboard, but there's sometimes I just want to type something in landscape mode as well, and in landscape mode I'd basically be assuming I'm going to deal with crappy on screen keyboard experience
Jun 30 15:06:44 <Tivon> the phone book isn't such a problem
Jun 30 15:06:51 <psykoz> if I want to type something serious I'll portrait mode the phone
Jun 30 15:07:09 <Tivon> only thing ive found myself using landscape mode for is taking pictures
Jun 30 15:07:17 <Tivon> other then that I dont use it very often
Jun 30 15:07:30 <psykoz> I casually browse the lolinternetz in landscape mode
Jun 30 15:07:31 <blau-mikeDG> bpadalino: it's the webOS evolution of my Android program to increase navigability of the OS through a variety of shortcuts
Jun 30 15:07:32 <bpadalino|work> i'll flip sideways for websites to get bigger text
Jun 30 15:07:42 <bpadalino|work> blau, very cool
Jun 30 15:08:11 <Tivon> i haven't done much web browsing, not a device issue though, I've had a injured lower back, so I've been around a CPu 80% of the time lol
Jun 30 15:08:51 <Tivon> hell i just learned the other day reading the wiki that double tapping the button on the earpiece lets you skip to the next track
Jun 30 15:08:58 <Tivon> amazing for me lol
Jun 30 15:10:02 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 30 15:11:37 <Juy> here is the challenge extract adobe flash 10 from this rom and get it working on the pre http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/30/new-htc-hero-rom-leaked-flash-10-already-chugging-along-on-a-fe/
Jun 30 15:12:35 <djwhitey> [Tivon] the middle button is like my emergency exit ... for everything
Jun 30 15:12:38 <djwhitey> lmao
Jun 30 15:12:56 <nebula> w00t, got cacti running on the pre... graphing disk/net stats
Jun 30 15:13:02 <Tivon> yeah guesture area isn't too intuitive without some playing around & practice
Jun 30 15:13:19 <Tivon> so i just always hit them middle
Jun 30 15:13:26 <djwhitey> i like the advanced one for switching between cards w/o having to go into card mode
Jun 30 15:13:35 <Tivon> and If i hand my phone to a friend to play around with and check out, I hate having to give a guesture lesson
Jun 30 15:13:35 <djwhitey> Tivon: have you previously owned an iphone?
Jun 30 15:13:39 <Tivon> yeah
Jun 30 15:13:50 <djwhitey> that's why i think.. used to hitting that button to go places =)
Jun 30 15:13:51 <blau-mikeDG> dj: but its hard to do for me cause of the stupid button
Jun 30 15:14:04 <djwhitey> blau-mikeDG: agreed button is in the way for that
Jun 30 15:14:06 <Tivon> I must honestly say though, since finding the wiki, and upon loading music on my pre, I haven't touced my iPhone is almost 3+weeks or so
Jun 30 15:14:32 <nebula> Tivon: niiiice
Jun 30 15:14:46 <Tivon> yeah, i always enable that card switching guesture feature too
Jun 30 15:14:51 <Tivon> you would think its standard
Jun 30 15:15:17 <djwhitey> i paired it w/ my mother-in-law's toyota venza the other day & showed her Pandora playing through her car speakers... her reply was "I can't WAIT to get an iPhone!" ... fml
Jun 30 15:15:28 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 30 15:15:29 <Tivon> lol
Jun 30 15:15:31 <mrjcarter> haha
Jun 30 15:15:35 <blau-mikeDG> i want to get a a2dp bt stereo
Jun 30 15:15:39 <blau-mikeDG> for the car
Jun 30 15:15:56 <Tivon> I always find myself in pandora giving thumbs down, or asking "don't play this again for 1 month"
Jun 30 15:15:59 <demort> has anyone messed with getting the browser to work through a proxy?   I can get it to work from a shell prompt by doing a "export http_proxy"   but not in the browser
Jun 30 15:16:17 <Tivon> NOT at all impressed with apps, thats the drawback of being some of the first to own
Jun 30 15:16:49 <tmzt> demort: different applications do it differently
Jun 30 15:17:00 <djwhitey> Pandora's good for classical music imo
Jun 30 15:17:58 <demort> yeah,  but I would expect the web browser to have that function built in.
Jun 30 15:18:00 * djwhitey steps out to go to a meeting about future meetings.
Jun 30 15:21:48 <totes6> I love those meetings
Jun 30 15:22:15 <bpadalino|work> argh, meetings
Jun 30 15:37:16 <oc80z> *sigh*
Jun 30 15:38:36 <Tiv> I would like my screen to turn off after 1 minute, but not be prompted for a Pin for 15-30mins
Jun 30 15:41:10 <mrjcarter> Tiv, thought I saw something like that in the wiki
Jun 30 15:42:39 <Rick_> bbiab -- real actual work
Jun 30 15:43:05 <Tivon> http://predev.wikidot.com/changing-the-turn-off-after-x-time-in-the-palm-pre
Jun 30 15:43:35 <Tivon> i did that, but it seems to only affect how long the screen stays on, I didn't read through the code to actually see the difference between the screen & the pin
Jun 30 15:43:45 <mrjcarter> gotcha
Jun 30 15:44:07 <Tivon> i called myself setting it for 30 mins (Thinking it was pin related) now I realize my screen will stay on for 30 mins if i don't shut it off
Jun 30 15:44:16 <Tivon> so I have to dig around more
Jun 30 15:44:32 * Tivon glad I realized it this morning
Jun 30 15:59:38 <blau-mikeDG> legality of modifying the pin screen to dial the emergency number if the user enters the wrong number too much?
Jun 30 15:59:57 <cphelps> blau-mikeDG: definitely not legal
Jun 30 16:00:11 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Jun 30 16:00:24 <cphelps> blau-mikeDG: you can make it email you though
Jun 30 16:00:31 <blau-mikeDG> eh
Jun 30 16:00:38 <blau-mikeDG> i dont use the pin anyway
Jun 30 16:02:32 <blau-mikeDG> grr at palm for gimping speed dials for apps :(
Jun 30 16:03:48 <mrjcarter> I guess universal search was they're answer to it
Jun 30 16:04:07 <mrjcarter> though I admit it's not as quick
Jun 30 16:04:07 <nebula> http://predev.wikidot.com/apache
Jun 30 16:04:08 <blau-mikeDG> still not as useful though
Jun 30 16:04:28 <mrjcarter> agreed
Jun 30 16:04:39 <A2NY> why not lighttpd ?
Jun 30 16:04:48 <nebula> coz i'm lazy
Jun 30 16:04:57 <blau-mikeDG> closest ive been able to come to it has been   sceneController.serviceRequest(ContactsMojoService.identifier, {
Jun 30 16:04:57 <blau-mikeDG>       method: 'setQuickDial',
Jun 30 16:05:06 <blau-mikeDG> but thats just phone numbers basically
Jun 30 16:05:08 <A2NY> hook me up with your IP addy when you get it working ;)
Jun 30 16:06:43 <cphelps> My understanding is that the luna command used over novacom by the palm-install a
Jun 30 16:06:47 <nebula> A2NY: it is working :)
Jun 30 16:09:31 * nebula restores
Jun 30 16:10:15 <blau-mikeDG> wha is rtsp://?
Jun 30 16:11:38 <mdklein> streaming protocol
Jun 30 16:12:35 <tmzt> yes, the real protocol is a variant of it
Jun 30 16:13:10 <blau-mikeDG> thanks
Jun 30 16:35:58 <A2NY> good day
Jun 30 16:52:24 <pferrill> anyone know how to sort a playlist?
Jun 30 16:53:16 <bpadalino|work> doesn't that go against all ideas and notions of what a playlist is ?
Jun 30 16:53:36 <Kaerey> bp: no.
Jun 30 16:53:46 <Kaerey> sort the playlist in order that you want it played
Jun 30 16:53:51 <Technobabble> yeah
Jun 30 16:54:00 <Technobabble> i hate randomized play
Jun 30 16:54:08 <Kaerey> or sort it aphabetically so you know what's there and then shuffle the list or random play it
Jun 30 16:54:11 <Technobabble> i usually randomize the playlist and then have it play in order, so i know what comes next
Jun 30 16:54:18 <pferrill> I synced an audio book from iTunes and it was shuffled on the Pre
Jun 30 16:54:24 <Kaerey> Ouch!
Jun 30 16:54:30 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jun 30 16:54:36 <blau-mikeDG> audio books on pre suck
Jun 30 16:54:37 <Kaerey> LOL harry potter meets Pulp Fiction
Jun 30 16:54:54 <bpadalino|work> interesting
Jun 30 16:55:03 <pferrill> The book was on CD and I ripped the CDs to iTunes
Jun 30 16:55:07 <button> This is your chance to make a better app then!
Jun 30 16:55:17 <pferrill> I had that thought...
Jun 30 16:55:24 <pferrill> At least a utility to do the sorting...
Jun 30 16:55:33 <Technobabble> pferrill, rip again with a better ap?
Jun 30 16:55:38 <Lurking_Grue> blau: they are a bit better if you do the bookmark mod.
Jun 30 16:55:51 <blau-mikeDG> yeah, but still not so hot
Jun 30 16:56:50 <Lurking_Grue> Blau: Yeah, it needs a better way to skip to any location of a large audio file.
Jun 30 16:57:02 <blau-mikeDG> yup
Jun 30 16:57:20 <blau-mikeDG> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/189508-making-fake-programs-fun.html lol
Jun 30 16:57:39 <Lurking_Grue> Blau: Funny the streaming app has a way to do that but not the actual music player.
Jun 30 17:00:04 <pferrill> Technobabble - got a suggestion for a good app?
Jun 30 17:02:34 <A2NY> we need a flashlight app
Jun 30 17:02:51 <mdklein> I thought we had one
Jun 30 17:02:57 <A2NY> shell script ?
Jun 30 17:03:18 <Snake_> A2NY: they have one
Jun 30 17:03:36 <Snake_> I just got done fighting with it to make it work, but it works good :)
Jun 30 17:03:56 <Snake_> http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/187407-my-flashlight-requires-rooting.html
Jun 30 17:06:16 <PreGame> all you have to do is tar -xvf flashlight.tar and reboot
Jun 30 17:09:17 <A2NY> is this hosted somewhere so i can wget ?
Jun 30 17:09:30 <Snake_> PreGame: yeah well they kinda ignored the whole REBOOT part in the read me.
Jun 30 17:09:53 <Snake_> and it doesnt help when the dev goes "Yah just rename the Prelease.jar and vi the js files"
Jun 30 17:14:36 <A2NY> not hosted anywhere else ?
Jun 30 17:17:14 <Snake_> A2NY: not that I know if, I put it onto the pre in USB mode and copied from there
Jun 30 17:17:27 <Snake_> I actually set up an http server on my local network now so I can do prehackin easier
Jun 30 17:30:18 <SirWill> Pregame, does it atter where the flashlight.tar file is put when you run the tar -xvf?  And do we need to already have the webos-internals services instaled?  I do, just wondering about that.  So far I have only made changes to stuff, and installed via .ipk files using the ipkg-opt  or via email.
Jun 30 17:30:29 <SirWill> atter --- Matter
Jun 30 17:30:58 <A2NY> "/"
Jun 30 17:32:56 <Rick_> SirWill  yes it matters.  it has to be in the root folder.  /
Jun 30 17:33:35 <SirWill> Thank you, I'll try that tonight.
Jun 30 17:46:25 <jlefler> /cler
Jun 30 17:46:28 <jlefler> er..disregard
Jun 30 17:46:40 <jlefler> (meant to type /clear....)
Jun 30 17:47:15 <sugardave> SirWill: tar -tvf [some_tar_file] will show you which paths it will lay down in...so, if it has ./usr/palm or something similar, you know you need to be at the dir above /usr
Jun 30 17:47:22 <sugardave> simplistic example, but you get the point
Jun 30 18:01:57 <tmzt> or use -C
Jun 30 18:15:44 <Xaeonis> Wonder if anyone in here can help with the USBnet stuff - having a difficult time and cant quite figure it out :/
Jun 30 18:16:10 <cphelps> Xaeonis: I have done that setup. What is your issue?
Jun 30 18:16:48 <Xaeonis> Well, Ive done everything up and to, the USBnet thing...I get the pre to usbnet enable, do the dhcp ON the pre, and plug it in
Jun 30 18:17:04 <Xaeonis> computer asks "wheres the drivers mang?" and I point and it goes "okay, cool, installing...done"
Jun 30 18:17:13 <Xaeonis> and then, bam, no connection in network connections
Jun 30 18:17:22 <cphelps> What OS?
Jun 30 18:17:28 <Xaeonis> xp pro SP3
Jun 30 18:17:44 <cphelps> Same as what I setup. Firewall issues?
Jun 30 18:18:00 <Xaeonis> no firewall on the computer - only on the router
Jun 30 18:18:09 <cphelps> that shouldn't matter then
Jun 30 18:18:13 <Xaeonis> didnt think so
Jun 30 18:18:25 <Xaeonis> whats weird
Jun 30 18:18:44 <cphelps> since the computer recognizes the linux ethernet gadget, we know you are running correctly on the phone...
Jun 30 18:18:52 <cphelps> is you OS 64 bit by chance?
Jun 30 18:18:56 <Xaeonis> is when I install the dirver and it finishes, it takes over the internet connection - meaning my local area 1 (ethernet on the computer), wont connect to the internet anymore
Jun 30 18:19:00 <Xaeonis> nope, 32
Jun 30 18:19:10 <Xaeonis> I have to disconnect the pre for the internet to go back to normal
Jun 30 18:19:50 <cphelps> So when you said to install the driver, did you go through the whole "Select it myself" rigamarole?
Jun 30 18:20:29 <sugardav1_away> mine just fails at the end of the driver install with "cannot start device"
Jun 30 18:20:42 <Xaeonis> yes sir...
Jun 30 18:20:43 <cphelps> sugardav1_away: one at a time, mate
Jun 30 18:20:57 <cphelps> Xaeonis: so you chose "Network Adapter"
Jun 30 18:21:08 <cphelps> Xaeonis: and then "Have disk" ?
Jun 30 18:21:36 <Xaeonis> yep, and then I select the file usbnet-pre.inf and then it installs fine
Jun 30 18:21:52 <Xaeonis> its even active
Jun 30 18:22:08 <Xaeonis> but like I said, it takes over the internet...
Jun 30 18:23:01 <cphelps> but you said there is no new connection in Network Connections, eh?
Jun 30 18:23:05 <Xaeonis> correct
Jun 30 18:23:09 <Xaeonis> it just doesnt exist
Jun 30 18:23:36 <cphelps> That doesn't make much sense if it's actually taking over your net connection
Jun 30 18:23:46 <cphelps> unless of course your router is on the same subnet
Jun 30 18:24:00 <cphelps> and now you have two DHCP servers giving you addresses on the same subnet
Jun 30 18:24:08 <cphelps> which probably doesn't work so goot
Jun 30 18:24:20 <A2NY> it takes over my connection as well regardless of a set metric
Jun 30 18:24:46 <cphelps> I would change the usbnet stuff on the phone to use another subnet like 10.0.0.N
Jun 30 18:25:19 <A2NY> so either eth or ppp i use and stop powerd
Jun 30 18:25:46 <Xaeonis> so youre saying change my subnet mask from 255.255.255.0 to 10.0.0.2?
Jun 30 18:25:49 <Xaeonis> or something like that?
Jun 30 18:25:54 <Xaeonis> on the PRE
Jun 30 18:26:01 <cphelps> not the mask
Jun 30 18:26:09 <cphelps> the actual network that usbnet is running on
Jun 30 18:26:19 <cphelps> so instead of the pre being 192.168.0.202
Jun 30 18:26:34 <cphelps> it will be 10.0.0.202
Jun 30 18:26:47 <cphelps> and serve up 10.0.0.12 over DHCP
Jun 30 18:26:55 <Xaeonis> I guess I could try that...
Jun 30 18:27:53 <Xaeonis> so I gotta go to the dnsmasq.palm.conf and change the dhcp-range=192.168.0.11,192.168.0.12,12h to something like...
Jun 30 18:28:21 <Xaeonis> welcome back
Jun 30 18:28:24 <Xaeonis> so I gotta go to the dnsmasq.palm.conf and change the dhcp-range=192.168.0.11,192.168.0.12,12h to something like...
Jun 30 18:28:33 <Xaeonis> whats my range I gotta set it at then? o_o
Jun 30 18:29:33 <bsiegel-away> You know, it's a bit of a pain, but it's awesome to be able to install a new app using only Commander :p
Jun 30 18:29:56 <cphelps> bsiegel-away: you're welcome
Jun 30 18:30:20 <seekis> is there a way to set up a wifi network on the pre?
Jun 30 18:30:33 <cphelps> Xaeonis: yes, you change that
Jun 30 18:30:39 <bsiegel-away> I modified the flashlight app to use the existing shell service, then downloaded and deployed it via Commander :p no telnet required
Jun 30 18:30:51 <cphelps> Xaeonis: but first you need to find out where usbnet sets it's own network address
Jun 30 18:31:03 <cphelps> Xaeonis: which would be 192.168.0.202
Jun 30 18:31:25 <cphelps> bsiegel-away: there will be a better way inside of a week
Jun 30 18:31:46 <Xaeonis> so where am I looking then? in that file?
Jun 30 18:31:46 <seekis> my buddy has a G1 and he has a wifi tethering app that allows him to share his internet connection through the phones wifi
Jun 30 18:31:58 <seekis> can we do this on the pre?
Jun 30 18:32:35 <mikeDOTd> seekis: yes, but tethering isn't discussed in this channel, since it violates Sprint's TOS
Jun 30 18:32:46 <cphelps> Xaeonis: I don't know, but the wiki probably says
Jun 30 18:32:57 <seekis> i understand that we cant talk about how to do it here
Jun 30 18:32:59 <Xaeonis> the wiki doesnt really say anything besides...
Jun 30 18:33:04 <seekis> i just want to know if it is possible
Jun 30 18:33:11 <Xaeonis> 3. Add dhcp-range=192.168.0.11,192.168.0.12,12h below the existing dhcp-range
Jun 30 18:33:23 <Xaeonis> which I did, but obviously isnt working...or maybe thats not what Im supposed to edit? o_o
Jun 30 18:33:26 <cphelps> Xaeonis: that's not the step. I will look it up
Jun 30 18:33:33 <bsiegel-away> seekis: we have root access, of course it's possible
Jun 30 18:33:33 <Xaeonis> thanks...
Jun 30 18:33:45 <cphelps> Xaeonis: what is your computer's IP on the LAN?
Jun 30 18:33:54 <Xaeonis> 192.168.1.31
Jun 30 18:33:58 <dsevil> "i know you're not supposed to talk about $thing here, but is $thing possible?"
Jun 30 18:34:43 <Xaeonis> dsevil : Yes it is possible, but I cannot talk about how to do it ;)
Jun 30 18:34:51 <seekis> the only reason i ask is that the only way that i have found so far is via bluetooth
Jun 30 18:35:02 <seekis> and via wifi would be WAY better
Jun 30 18:35:37 <dsevil> Xaeonis: i was paraphrasing that guy
Jun 30 18:35:43 <dsevil> not actually asking about it
Jun 30 18:35:51 <Xaeonis> I know, I was giving the response you gave
Jun 30 18:37:50 <cphelps> Xaeonis: that's not the same subnet, so it shouldn't be the problem.
Jun 30 18:40:00 <Xaeonis> what subnet is the pre trying to get in on?
Jun 30 18:40:15 <Xaeonis> and why isnt it showing up in network connections then? I mean, shouldnt it?
Jun 30 18:40:27 <cphelps> 192.168.0.x
Jun 30 18:40:37 <cphelps> Xaeonis: yes, of course it should
Jun 30 18:40:49 <cphelps> It shows up for me on 3 different XP SP3 computers
Jun 30 18:42:22 <Xaeonis> :/ I guess mjy computer just hates me...now, question though
Jun 30 18:44:46 <ParanoidAndroid> does anyone know if its possible to find the methods of a service?
Jun 30 18:45:24 <cphelps> ParanoidAndroid: yes, it is
Jun 30 18:46:03 <ParanoidAndroid> is it on the dev wiki?
Jun 30 18:46:13 <cphelps> No, it's not
Jun 30 18:46:21 <cphelps> It's in the 'use your smarts' wiki
Jun 30 18:46:32 <nebula> hmm
Jun 30 18:46:33 <ParanoidAndroid> sigh, been trying that.  its hurting my brain
Jun 30 18:47:08 <destinal_> cphelps: you mean decompiling the java binaries that provide the services, or is there some native enumeration command?
Jun 30 18:47:35 <cphelps> I just decompile the jars
Jun 30 18:47:45 <ParanoidAndroid> i want to break down either the methods of com.palm.audio/dtmf or com.palm.audio/audio
Jun 30 18:48:15 <cphelps> ParanoidAndroid: then read the code
Jun 30 18:48:24 <ParanoidAndroid> unfortunately i cant
Jun 30 18:48:31 <ParanoidAndroid> com.palm.audio is in sbin
Jun 30 18:48:39 <ParanoidAndroid> it has been snooped however
Jun 30 18:48:55 <ParanoidAndroid> the way the dialpad accesses it is using a Mojo.Service.Request
Jun 30 18:48:58 <Xaeonis> so what the hell am I supposed to edit...and question - is the usbnet thing just a quicker mode to get to the pre vs novaproxy+putty?
Jun 30 18:49:23 <ParanoidAndroid> i just set up the sftp server and connect via winscp
Jun 30 18:49:33 <cphelps> Xaeonis: I don't know at this point
Jun 30 18:49:41 <Xaeonis> >_< greeeeaattt *laughs*
Jun 30 18:50:16 <cphelps> destinal_: so far I have searched for every jar in the webosdoctor and can't find com.palm.appinstaller yet
Jun 30 18:53:02 <Xaeonis> so cphelps - is that what the usbnet is supposed to do? Just give me easier access to my pre, or is it for something else?
Jun 30 18:53:29 <Tivon> I sadly have to state, as I'm sure many have. Not having video capabilities on this phone yet is a huge dissapointment
Jun 30 18:53:34 <Tivon> WTF
Jun 30 18:53:46 <nebula> saturday follows!
Jun 30 18:53:57 <destinal_> Xaeonis: it's just a network connection over USB.  it can be used in place of ethernet, for instance
Jun 30 18:54:14 <Xaeonis> so its basically for tethering really?
Jun 30 18:54:31 <destinal_> it's for whatever you can use a network connection for
Jun 30 18:54:41 <Tivon> great pc answer
Jun 30 18:54:44 <destinal_> I ssh / scp over mine
Jun 30 18:54:53 <destinal_> it's better than wifi
Jun 30 18:55:07 <destinal_> and way better than EVDO
Jun 30 18:55:15 <destinal_> for getting from a PC to the pre
Jun 30 18:55:31 <ParanoidAndroid> woooo so its official, theyre going to have voice dialing
Jun 30 18:55:40 <ParanoidAndroid> i wish theyd release it already
Jun 30 18:55:52 <mrjcarter> ParanoidAndroid, what I miss?
Jun 30 18:56:05 <ParanoidAndroid> i found in the phone app some references to it
Jun 30 18:56:08 <Tivon> sheesh how long till i can record a quick video
Jun 30 18:56:16 <ParanoidAndroid> but in /etc/audio there is the evidence
Jun 30 18:56:17 <mrjcarter> oh ok
Jun 30 18:57:13 <destinal_> yeah, but it's pretty old also
Jun 30 18:57:37 <destinal_> voice_dialing_back_speaker.txt:# modified: 0809024 by Mike Carnes
Jun 30 18:57:46 <ParanoidAndroid> if only theyd release it.  its one of the big things i miss from my old phone
Jun 30 18:57:48 <destinal_> Michael Carnes. Audio Systems Manager at Palm, Inc
Jun 30 18:57:55 <mikeDOTd> i'm sure there's a bunch of half-baked features still in the oven
Jun 30 18:57:56 <destinal_> 9/24/2008
Jun 30 18:58:03 <ParanoidAndroid> ya
Jun 30 18:58:17 <ParanoidAndroid> i found a bunch of messaging stuff they removed for ces2008
Jun 30 18:58:40 <seekis> need help getting write access via sftp on mac
Jun 30 18:59:13 <ParanoidAndroid> seekis: wats the problem.  i dont have a mac but i got sftp to work fine
Jun 30 18:59:36 <seekis> i can read but i cant write
Jun 30 18:59:37 <destinal_> seekis: if you have dropbear it's important your client support scp rather than sftp
Jun 30 18:59:47 <seekis> i do have dropbear
Jun 30 18:59:48 <ParanoidAndroid> your sudo may not be configured right
Jun 30 18:59:52 <seekis> scp? explain
Jun 30 18:59:53 <mikeDOTd> seekis: is the filesystem mounted read/write?/
Jun 30 18:59:55 <seekis> sudo works fine
Jun 30 18:59:55 <seekis> yes
Jun 30 19:00:05 <destinal_> are you sftping in as root then?
Jun 30 19:00:11 <destinal_> err scping
Jun 30 19:00:14 <seekis> as user
Jun 30 19:00:22 <destinal_> then you probably don't have write access
Jun 30 19:00:22 <seekis> not as root
Jun 30 19:00:36 <destinal_> except to your home dir
Jun 30 19:01:01 <seekis> i tried sftp as root but needs pass
Jun 30 19:01:09 <seekis> and the one i use doesnt work
Jun 30 19:01:19 <ParanoidAndroid> isnt it blank by default?
Jun 30 19:01:19 <destinal_> this is part of why I think people should use root for everything on the phone, the pre isn't the intended use case for sudo
Jun 30 19:01:22 <Tivon> aren't you supposed to use your username?
Jun 30 19:01:26 <Tivon> that you setup with sudo
Jun 30 19:01:35 <Tivon> the pw is attached to that from what I recall
Jun 30 19:01:39 <destinal_> Tivon: his scp client won't know how to USE sudo
Jun 30 19:01:51 <destinal_> Tivon: so it won't have root privs
Jun 30 19:01:53 <Tivon> i just using it as a reffering to the username
Jun 30 19:02:00 <Tivon> i'm fairly laymen
Jun 30 19:02:06 <destinal_> Tivon: as long as you only want to write in your homedir, no problem
Jun 30 19:02:08 <tmzt> just use a certifcate
Jun 30 19:02:26 <seekis> tried balnk
Jun 30 19:02:27 <seekis> blank*
Jun 30 19:02:28 <seekis> no go
Jun 30 19:02:44 <destinal_> seekis: I think dropbear is configured to prevent direct root access
Jun 30 19:02:55 <tmzt> does scp -S 'sudo scp' work?
Jun 30 19:02:56 <destinal_> seekis: even if it wasn't you'd have to sudo passwd root
Jun 30 19:03:01 <tmzt> wait
Jun 30 19:03:12 <destinal_> seekis: and set a root password
Jun 30 19:03:20 <seekis> ill try
Jun 30 19:03:20 <tmzt> sorry, wrong program
Jun 30 19:03:22 <tmzt> no
Jun 30 19:03:35 <tmzt> yeah, you can set a root password
Jun 30 19:04:27 <destinal_> I don't remember off the top of my head how to change dropbear to allow root login
Jun 30 19:06:54 <Tivon> have a good day everyone, headed to a Dr. appointment.
Jun 30 19:07:11 <seekis> set root pass but sftp wont connect via root
Jun 30 19:08:03 <tmzt> it should, try user@pre
Jun 30 19:08:13 <destinal_> tmzt: I think it's dropbear
Jun 30 19:08:19 <tmzt> can you login now?
Jun 30 19:08:21 <tmzt> his client?
Jun 30 19:09:04 <destinal_> tmzt: dropbear has a restriction against root the way it's configured in the package I think (not sure though)
Jun 30 19:09:18 <seekis> u think openssh will be any better?
Jun 30 19:09:25 <A2NY> i use openssh
Jun 30 19:10:10 <nebula> hah, my device refuses to download 1.0.4... won't verify properly
Jun 30 19:10:40 <djk1> seekis: it is a difference in memory used between beardrop and openssh
Jun 30 19:10:44 <A2NY> did you chmod uploader ?
Jun 30 19:11:00 <tmzt> not major difference
Jun 30 19:12:02 <seekis> predevwiki say openssh uses more ram than dropbear
Jun 30 19:13:28 <ParanoidAndroid> mine refuses to update from 1.0.2
Jun 30 19:13:30 <Juy> here is the challenge extract adobe flash 10 from this rom and get it working on the pre http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/30/new-htc-hero-rom-leaked-flash-10-already-chugging-along-on-a-fe/
Jun 30 19:13:35 <ParanoidAndroid> i probably should take it in and have them replace it
Jun 30 19:14:18 <A2NY> i was using dropbear and went to openssh
Jun 30 19:14:35 <Lurking_Grue> Juy: Pre dumps core.
Jun 30 19:14:57 <djk1> A2NY: what was the advantage of openssh
Jun 30 19:15:38 * Lurking_Grue at least would expect flash from hero to not work on Pre.
Jun 30 19:16:53 <A2NY> nothing, to each their own
Jun 30 19:17:26 <destinal_> if you want to make dropbear allow root access, just edit /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear  and remove the -g  then initctl stop optware-dropbear; initctl start optware-dropbear
Jun 30 19:17:56 <destinal_> more secure would be to use passwordless / keypair login
Jun 30 19:18:56 <destinal_> er, pkill -1 dropbear might be better than the stop /start if you're coming in over ssh :)
Jun 30 19:19:27 <destinal_> nevermind, that wouldn't reread the event.d script, you may as well just "reboot" if you're coming in over ssh
Jun 30 19:19:39 <lane> anyone wanna give me a hand with the hardware key track skip? all i get is a broken music player
Jun 30 19:20:58 <A2NY> openssh is using 1992k if that helps
Jun 30 19:21:54 <Juy> adobe is working on flash for linux across mobile platforms including the pre
Jun 30 19:23:26 <djk1> Juy: does that include the iPhone? They have been promising it for a long time
Jun 30 19:23:34 <lane> iirc not in october
Jun 30 19:23:38 <djk1> a java plugin would be good to get too
Jun 30 19:25:07 <tmzt> compile java if you want that
Jun 30 19:25:21 <tmzt> if your browser supports oji of course
Jun 30 19:46:13 <dld121> anyone know how to get "insmod" working on the Pre?
Jun 30 19:47:50 <dld121> Printer driver is enabled with "insmod" I got stuck on this when I attepted to install CUPS on my Pre.  CUPS-DOC web interface worked, but the script for cups checks for the printer driver with lsmod and then if not found tries to install it with insmod.
Jun 30 19:49:25 <bpadalino|work> insmod should already be there ?
Jun 30 19:49:33 <dld121> it isn't there.
Jun 30 19:49:46 <dld121> lsmod is there, but not insmod.
Jun 30 19:49:58 <bpadalino|work> ah
Jun 30 19:50:11 <bpadalino|work> i wonder how the modules are loaded then
Jun 30 19:50:18 <ParanoidAndroid> would anyone mind looking at some javascript for me?
Jun 30 19:50:20 <Saiks> Should i install Dropbear Install or OpenSSH Install?
Jun 30 19:50:21 <ParanoidAndroid> http://pastie.org/529835
Jun 30 19:50:42 <dld121> I did dropbear cause it was smaller, then enable winscp later...
Jun 30 19:50:44 <dld121> works fine.
Jun 30 19:50:50 <Saiks> repet... sorry
Jun 30 19:50:55 <bpadalino|work> dld, it's in /sbin/insmod
Jun 30 19:51:04 <Saiks> Thanks
Jun 30 19:51:19 <dld121> is it really, I could find it there.
Jun 30 19:51:37 <bpadalino|work> you can indeed find it there
Jun 30 19:54:26 <dld121> Sure enough, thanks.
Jun 30 19:54:40 <dld121> I didn't use "sudo su" to run it before.
Jun 30 19:54:53 <dld121> Anyone else got printing working on the Pre?
Jun 30 19:56:50 <djk1> printing that would be nice
Jun 30 19:58:44 <ParanoidAndroid> does anyone know where the command is to play the "swoosh" sound when you close an app?
Jun 30 20:02:03 <ParanoidAndroid> would it be in the mojo framework?
Jun 30 20:06:13 <Sargun> Has anyone figured out the API for pinching?
Jun 30 20:09:59 <Saiks> Has anyone conf. and got work the boot theme (both up and down) the green and red themes
Jun 30 20:11:21 <wayne47> Figured I'd try a bit earlier today.  I see lots of references to Mojo.Log.{info,error, warn}  Anyone know the location of the log file?
Jun 30 20:13:17 <Kaerey> ParamoidAndriod: I think that's a framework thing.
Jun 30 20:21:02 <slag02> Hello everyone, I am here for some help
Jun 30 20:21:28 <Rick_> what sort of help
Jun 30 20:21:58 <slag02> I am trying to gain root access via the vista/novaproxy/usb method
Jun 30 20:22:18 <Rick_> ok
Jun 30 20:22:28 <Rick_> and where is it messingn up?
Jun 30 20:22:59 <slag02> everything appears as if it should be working.. but putty, errors out.. saying:  Connection Closed by Remote Host  Network Error: Connection Refused
Jun 30 20:23:30 <Rick_> if you bring up device manager do you have a novacomm device with no yellow error symbol?
Jun 30 20:23:51 <tmzt> devmgmt.msc
Jun 30 20:24:08 <Rick_> start run devmgmt.msc
Jun 30 20:24:34 <slag02> correct
Jun 30 20:24:47 <slag02> it says Palm Novacom
Jun 30 20:24:50 <slag02> no errors
Jun 30 20:24:56 <Rick_> that's good.
Jun 30 20:25:19 <slag02> Novaproxy script tells me that it is listening
Jun 30 20:25:25 <slag02> just putty will not connect
Jun 30 20:26:09 <A2NY> try telnet as the connection ?
Jun 30 20:26:13 <Rick_> what are you putting into the putty connection info
Jun 30 20:26:59 <slag02> localhost
Jun 30 20:27:02 <slag02> with the port 8023
Jun 30 20:27:03 <slag02> RAW
Jun 30 20:27:29 <A2NY> i personally couldnt connect with raw, i had to use telnet
Jun 30 20:28:00 <Rick_>  I know the wiki says raw but try telnet
Jun 30 20:28:20 <slag02> port 8023?
Jun 30 20:28:22 <slag02> or 23?
Jun 30 20:28:55 <A2NY> 8023
Jun 30 20:29:02 <Rick_> try both but 8023 should work.  you use the port that novaproxy.py told you it was listening on.
Jun 30 20:29:05 <seekis> are the only homebrew apps available on precentral.net?
Jun 30 20:29:18 <Rick_> no there are others scattered about the net.
Jun 30 20:29:21 <seekis> or are there more elsewhere?
Jun 30 20:29:24 <Rick_> weboshelp.com has some.
Jun 30 20:29:37 <slag02> same eorros
Jun 30 20:29:40 <slag02> errors*
Jun 30 20:30:05 <A2NY> how did you run the py?
Jun 30 20:30:17 <slag02> just double clicked on it
Jun 30 20:32:32 <Saiks> Has anyone got the boot theme to work ( Both for up and down). The green and red themes
Jun 30 20:33:35 <seekis> sweet
Jun 30 20:33:40 <seekis> sdk for mac is out!
Jun 30 20:35:54 <A2NY> saiks, more info please
Jun 30 20:35:57 <A2NY> boot screens
Jun 30 20:36:15 <Saiks> Yes that's what i meant sorry
Jun 30 20:37:35 <slag02> any other suggestions?
Jun 30 20:37:40 <tmzt> seekis: out?
Jun 30 20:38:24 <seekis> its out meaning available for download
Jun 30 20:38:25 <Saiks> I followed the instruction and only the red one shows up
Jun 30 20:38:30 <seekis> leaked just like the win sdk
Jun 30 20:38:34 <A2NY> dumb question slag02, you are in dev mode correct ?
Jun 30 20:38:41 <slag02> yep
Jun 30 20:38:44 <slag02> i just verifed
Jun 30 20:38:58 <seekis> can i paste the url in here or no?
Jun 30 20:39:03 <wayne47> Hmm, so nobody knows where Nojo loge, huh?
Jun 30 20:39:06 <wayne47> Mojo
Jun 30 20:39:10 <wayne47> logs
Jun 30 20:39:34 <slag02> "/var/log/" ?
Jun 30 20:39:37 <wayne47> (too many screens and keyboards)
Jun 30 20:39:47 <seekis> guess not
Jun 30 20:39:55 <wayne47> I dont see anything there, first place I looked
Jun 30 20:41:13 <cphelps> wayne47: it's in var/log/messages
Jun 30 20:48:41 <Saiks> Has anyone got the boot screen to load correctly with the green and red themes
Jun 30 20:49:01 <A2NY> Saiks, testing -hold
Jun 30 20:49:11 <Saiks> oh sorry...
Jun 30 20:51:55 <A2NY> you are wanting both screens green/red (down/up) ?
Jun 30 20:53:04 <Saiks> yes
Jun 30 20:53:36 <Saiks> When booting up the green will show... and shutting down the red
Jun 30 20:54:53 <A2NY> yes
Jun 30 20:55:30 <Saiks> kul...
Jun 30 20:56:05 <nhahn> thought about the "ideas" list on the wiki: add ability to mute/unmute a call with the hardware
Jun 30 20:58:41 <A2NY> well works for me
Jun 30 20:58:45 <A2NY> where are you at ?
Jun 30 20:59:07 <A2NY> does anyone know if the latest doctor is 1.0.4 lol
Jun 30 20:59:24 <bpadalino|work> check the md5sum against the ones listed on the wiki
Jun 30 21:02:14 <mikewx> webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar 0c8027b5a707eb0d02b1997d48021bd5
Jun 30 21:02:20 <mikewx> downloaded this morning haven't checked wiki yet
Jun 30 21:02:29 <Saiks> im home
Jun 30 21:02:33 <A2NY> its 1.0.4?
Jun 30 21:03:08 <mikewx> i don't know. i downloaded it this morning I ahven't looked at it at all. but that's the md5 so you can compare...or i suppose i can go compare
Jun 30 21:03:16 <Saiks> Are you using an emulator, if so where can i download it from and filename plz
Jun 30 21:04:23 <mikewx> nope that is the same md5 as 1.0.3
Jun 30 21:04:33 <mikewx> so it doesn't look updated
Jun 30 21:07:23 <summatusmentis> Saiks: the emulator was illegally leaked, and therefore not discussion for this channel
Jun 30 21:14:39 <r2xj> wheres the best place to submit suggestions too?
Jun 30 21:15:08 <summatusmentis> suggestions regarding what?
Jun 30 21:15:11 <Saiks> Ok
Jun 30 21:15:23 <r2xj> sorry, ideas for tweaks
Jun 30 21:15:35 <summatusmentis> oh, hrm
Jun 30 21:15:44 <summatusmentis> perhaps the wiki? I'm not sure there's a designated place
Jun 30 21:15:56 <summatusmentis> generally I think people have been doing the stuff they come up with
Jun 30 21:16:16 <A2NY> r2xj, what do you want
Jun 30 21:16:27 <r2xj> yeah. thats what it looked like, but im fairly novice when it comes to js
Jun 30 21:17:44 <bpadalino|work> http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas
Jun 30 21:18:05 <bpadalino|work> people have been editing: http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas - for ideas
Jun 30 21:18:44 <r2xj_> ok, wasnt sure if that was a managed page or something up for editing by anyone, but thanks!
Jun 30 21:19:10 <r2xj_> and sorry i got disconnected a minute ago, so if someone tried responding to me, i probably missed it
Jun 30 21:21:06 <summatusmentis> did you see bpadalino|work> http://predev.wikidot.com/tweak-ideas
Jun 30 21:21:13 <summatusmentis> oh, he repeated himself
Jun 30 21:21:32 <r2xj_> yep got that one, thank you much
Jun 30 21:21:41 <bpadalino|work> yeah - i noticed the second join, and re-pasted it
Jun 30 21:22:24 <summatusmentis> right, I should pay more attention
Jun 30 21:22:33 <r2xj_> lol...
Jun 30 21:22:50 <r2xj_> so, i just joined and tried editing the page but it says only moderators are allowed to do so
Jun 30 21:23:43 <r2xj_> oh sorry. i suppose i should have read better first
Jun 30 21:25:01 <summatusmentis> you'll need to be approved to write to the wiki
Jun 30 21:25:13 <summatusmentis> and as I understand it, anyone who has write access can grant write access
Jun 30 21:26:01 <Rick_> yep. issuing invitations is an open thing
Jun 30 21:26:28 <r2xj_> you are all very helpful, thanks
Jun 30 21:26:41 <A2NY> hmm web doctor here i come =\
Jun 30 21:27:33 <r2xj_> have any of you tried the downloading in browser tweak?
Jun 30 21:27:49 <Kaerey> can someone update gitorious with my recent notification app edits. I dont' have it on this machine and really don't know how to use it yet. I can send you the source
Jun 30 21:28:08 <Technobabble> actually, we need a good git tutorial
Jun 30 21:28:14 <Technobabble> i've been tryin to get it to work for days
Jun 30 21:28:37 <Kaerey> I'm still very PC minded. but I'm adapting to the Borg as xorg would put it
Jun 30 21:28:44 <Technobabble> off and on, anyway
Jun 30 21:29:58 <bpadalino|work> the borg ?
Jun 30 21:32:05 <r2xj_> Ive tried and retried several times, following both the wiki and the patch, but I keep ending up with a non-functioning browser
Jun 30 21:33:41 <Snake_> Hey guys, is it possible to change what the button on the front does??
Jun 30 21:33:54 <Snake_> I think itd be nice if you could push that button and open the phone app...
Jun 30 21:35:17 <A2NY> has anyone tried upstart ?
Jun 30 21:35:36 <bpadalino|work> "tried upstart" ?
Jun 30 21:35:49 <A2NY> upstart to replace init
Jun 30 21:36:03 <bpadalino|work> ah
Jun 30 21:36:56 <A2NY> rebooting the device so many times, it might be good to look into
Jun 30 21:37:11 <A2NY> for the average user.... i wouldnt see it as an advantage
Jun 30 21:37:17 <Lurking_Grue> Is anybody keeping track of released homebrew apps anywhere?
Jun 30 21:37:28 <bpadalino|work> a2ny, why do you keep rebooting ?
Jun 30 21:38:00 <destinal_> bpadalino|work: I think he means he's being assimilated
Jun 30 21:38:26 <A2NY> lol
Jun 30 21:38:36 <bpadalino|work> i think i found the xorg post where he pings the collective ?
Jun 30 21:39:37 <destinal_> the thing is, I thought the borg is what we were trying to escape -- single minded, homogenized platforms, every device the same
Jun 30 21:40:06 <bpadalino|work> someone should post on there that novacom can do all the sideloading with no problems
Jun 30 21:40:24 <destinal_> yeah so our technological distinctiveness will be added to their own, but what if I want a chocolate and banana milkshake?
Jun 30 21:41:25 <A2NY> hmm selective backup as well
Jun 30 21:41:35 <summatusmentis> my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
Jun 30 21:41:57 <bpadalino|work> i drink your milkshake
Jun 30 21:42:02 <destinal_> lmao
Jun 30 21:43:41 <bpadalino|work> as long as novacom exists, and the web doctor exists, we'll be able to sideload the pre with whatever we want in whatever consumer friendly way people want
Jun 30 21:44:37 <bpadalino|work> destinal, how did that restore go ?
Jun 30 21:44:42 <bpadalino|work> were you abel to get a nice capture ?
Jun 30 21:57:43 <rwhitby> destinal_: root access is available in our default dropbear and openssh configurations
Jun 30 21:57:47 <rwhitby> if you set a ssh key
Jun 30 22:00:47 <rwhitby> seems like it was a slow last 12 hours ...
Jun 30 22:03:52 <slag02> sooo.. my pre is now bricked
Jun 30 22:04:26 <destinal_> rwhitby: I figured that out at some point, I still think root with a good password is more convenient for many especially on the go with different machines, and not that hard.  ultimately it's no worse than a user account and sudo
Jun 30 22:04:52 <destinal_> a keypair would be better than both of course
Jun 30 22:06:27 <destinal_> yeah, having to guess a second piece of info (another username) *may* be an obstacle or may not depending on the situation but it makes things difficult for many.   I guess we should probably put up info on setting up ssh w/ key somewhere or at least link to a public one, but honestly with a good password ssh as root's not bad
Jun 30 22:08:07 <destinal_> slag02: bricked?  have you tried shutting it off, holding down the volume up key and plugging in USB?
Jun 30 22:08:42 <rwhitby> destinal_: any root access to a machine from the internet should have two factor authentication.
Jun 30 22:09:10 <rwhitby> currently, we have a unique username and password (two things) - it's not ideal two factor, but it's two things at least.
Jun 30 22:09:12 <destinal_> rwhitby: but sudo isn't two factor -- a username's not a secret
Jun 30 22:09:22 <rwhitby> it is from the internet
Jun 30 22:09:49 <rwhitby> an ssh key with a passphrase is the best two-factor.  something you have and something you know.
Jun 30 22:09:56 <rwhitby> that's what we should strive for.
Jun 30 22:10:08 <destinal_> also it's two of the same factor, something you know and something you know.. anyway.
Jun 30 22:10:31 <rwhitby> right - that's why we should stive for real two factor, rather than reverting to a single factor (root password)
Jun 30 22:10:56 <jdub> this is why ubuntu killed the root password, btw :-)
Jun 30 22:11:37 <destinal_> jdub: I think ubuntu killed the root password because logging in as root on a workstation or server is stupid.
Jun 30 22:11:39 <slag02> Yes I have tried that
Jun 30 22:11:53 <jdub> destinal_: that was secondary
Jun 30 22:12:00 <rwhitby> if novacom drivers for all platforms was released, I think we'd lock the root account too
Jun 30 22:12:04 <slag02> its looping... the palm start up screen, right when it should go to the desktop.. it loops back the palm startup screen
Jun 30 22:12:52 <rwhitby> this thing will have my bank account details in it.  it's gotta be as secure as my home network.
Jun 30 22:29:19 <rwhitby> drnull: ping
Jun 30 22:44:14 <nstahl> cd
Jun 30 22:45:07 <rwhitby> drnull: I refreshed your musicplayer patch in the modifications repo with full pathnames for the files.  Can you quilt import and refresh it please?
Jun 30 22:47:34 <rwhitby> drnull: I updated http://predev.wikidot.com/bookmarking-mediaplayer to match
Jun 30 22:49:12 * rwhitby bbl
Jun 30 22:49:17 <Lurking_Grue> Funny...  I did the bookmark mod yesterday and yelled at my pre for a bit as I screwed it up the first time :)
Jun 30 22:49:34 <whoiswhois> anyone tried insalling a flac codec
Jun 30 22:51:35 <gkatsev> Lurking_Grue: haha, same
Jun 30 22:52:21 <Lurking_Grue> Halfway though I was wishing for a patch. Glad the wiki has moved in that direction.
Jun 30 22:53:39 <tmzt> whoiswhois: for gstreamer? it's not installed?
Jun 30 22:56:43 <showergel> hey everyone
Jun 30 22:59:32 <A2NY> lol wtf....
Jun 30 22:59:46 <A2NY> root@castle:/# ssh
Jun 30 23:07:36 <showergel> has anyone spent any time compiling a newer busybox
Jun 30 23:20:46 <Robi_> there anything i shoudl install before 1.0.4 ?
Jun 30 23:34:50 <ryanfx> Hey guys - I'm having issues rooting my Pre under Vista x86 - can anyone help me troubleshoot?
Jun 30 23:36:04 <tmzt> if you can tell us what the problem is
Jun 30 23:36:39 <ryanfx> I follow the steps up until the part where I try to connect to the python proxy but then putty just errors out and closes
Jun 30 23:36:52 <ryanfx> it attempts to bring up a terminal, does a system "chime" and closes
Jun 30 23:37:09 <tmzt> putty does that occasionally
Jun 30 23:37:28 <ryanfx> I've tried this multiple times now =/
Jun 30 23:38:54 <ryanfx> any ideas of what to do?
Jun 30 23:43:16 <rwhitby> showergel: just install coreutils from optware .., :-)
Jun 30 23:46:33 <ryanfx> no real ideas on my issue?
Jul 01 00:03:24 <rwhitby> So anyone up for working on quilt to manage mods?
Jul 01 00:04:16 <Kaerey> good evening.
Jul 01 00:05:11 <rwhitby> drnull: ping
Jul 01 00:12:00 <JackieRipper> hello
Jul 01 00:12:20 <JackieRipper> sorry I missed your ping earlier, Kaerey
Jul 01 00:13:10 <Kaerey> No worries man. I updated my app to include a field in an advanced section to cooperate with your message sound edit.
Jul 01 00:13:20 <SVX> good evening all....been playing with the pre for the past 24hr...did they not add flash into the browser?
Jul 01 00:13:33 <SVX> hulu just wont work
Jul 01 00:13:35 <JackieRipper> cool
Jul 01 00:13:37 <JackieRipper> thanks
Jul 01 00:13:45 <JackieRipper> I just wish I could get it 100%
Jul 01 00:13:46 <xvalx> Hey, I'm modifying JackieRipper's Pager/Nagger mod for emails instead of SMS.  Can anyone help me formulate an sqlite3 query that will show if messages have been unviewed for a particular email account?
Jul 01 00:14:06 <JackieRipper> xvalx: I think I can
Jul 01 00:14:13 <JackieRipper> give me a few mins
Jul 01 00:14:14 <Kaerey> I'm going to add a paragraph to your edit that says "If you have the app you can skip to step xx"
Jul 01 00:14:34 <Kaerey> and skip the sounds and alerts mod parts
Jul 01 00:14:36 <JackieRipper> it's only playing the sound if the screen is on :(
Jul 01 00:14:43 <Kaerey> better then nothing!
Jul 01 00:14:48 <Kaerey> like if it's on the touchstone
Jul 01 00:15:03 <xvalx> JackieRipper: cool thanks, I have a few dbdumps I've been browsing, but it seems with emails you'd have to query multiple databases.
Jul 01 00:15:06 <rwhitby> Kaerey: would you like to move your notifications app to http://gitorious.org/webos-applications (we're using that area for open source apps that don't need internals stuff)
Jul 01 00:15:17 <SVX> i guess the better question is (cause google has no response) -- will the Pre show hulu content?
Jul 01 00:15:27 <xvalx> errr... tables I mean
Jul 01 00:15:39 <Kaerey> I would love to but git and I dont' speak the same language right now...
Jul 01 00:15:59 <Kaerey> it's like calculus II and I were back in college.
Jul 01 00:16:00 <SVX> anyone?
Jul 01 00:16:07 <rwhitby> SVX: you may get a better response for questions about Pre features in #webos, where the Palm folks hang out.
Jul 01 00:16:09 <SVX> lol...integrals
Jul 01 00:16:17 <bclancy> JackieRipper:  rhwitby is writing up some cookbook instructions on how to build a patch.  Once that is available, I'd like to test his instructions by making a patch for the up/down image replacement hack.
Jul 01 00:16:20 <SVX> calc II --- HATED em
Jul 01 00:16:41 <SVX> ah thanks rwhitby
Jul 01 00:16:45 <SVX> will doi
Jul 01 00:18:49 <gkatsev> does the new mediaplayer patch add other functionality other than what was there prior to the change to patch?
Jul 01 00:19:09 <xvalx> in com_palm_mail_EmailFolder table there is an unreadCount column and a com_palm_accounts_Account_id column
Jul 01 00:19:40 <tharris-> how is eveyrone tonight
Jul 01 00:19:47 <paul__> Tired.
Jul 01 00:19:51 <paul__> Long day at work.
Jul 01 00:19:54 <tharris-> hehe know the feeling
Jul 01 00:20:07 <paul__> Not enough juice to put into predev
Jul 01 00:20:11 <tharris-> FYI i am keeping a blog of security stuff if anyone wants to follow along =p
Jul 01 00:20:21 <tmzt> SVX: that's just flash right?
Jul 01 00:20:24 <tharris-> http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/
Jul 01 00:23:26 <SVX> quick q guys...i rooted, ssh'd the pre....is there a hard reset to restaore everything to defaults?
Jul 01 00:23:35 <SVX> restore
Jul 01 00:23:45 <rboatright> define everything.
Jul 01 00:24:02 <bpadalino> http://palm.com/ROM
Jul 01 00:24:11 <rboatright> running webosdoctor takes yo back to out-of-the-box
Jul 01 00:24:18 <Kaerey> ^^^ almost
Jul 01 00:24:44 <rboatright> ok, almost
Jul 01 00:24:48 <SVX> lol
Jul 01 00:25:00 <paul__> A sink full of water?
Jul 01 00:25:01 <Kaerey> my unpriv'ed user persisted through webosDR
Jul 01 00:25:09 <rboatright> gosh
Jul 01 00:25:12 <paul__> Default: All zeros
Jul 01 00:25:32 <gkatsev> rm -rf /**?
Jul 01 00:25:42 <paul__> Lol
Jul 01 00:25:46 <paul__> Still got the fs
Jul 01 00:25:50 <paul__> And bootloader.
Jul 01 00:26:01 <gkatsev> cat /dev/null /  ?
Jul 01 00:26:03 <bpadalino> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0
Jul 01 00:26:12 <paul__> Its got to be block level
Jul 01 00:26:22 <gkatsev> right
Jul 01 00:26:25 <tmzt> bs=4096
Jul 01 00:26:29 <tmzt> wait
Jul 01 00:26:30 <paul__> Lol
Jul 01 00:26:34 <xvalx> however, it would be even better if I could modify it so the account is checking whether the unread email notifications have been acknowledged (ie not on the bottom of the screen)
Jul 01 00:26:39 <tmzt> what are you doing?
Jul 01 00:26:40 <paul__> We are a nerdy bunch :-D
Jul 01 00:26:58 <rwhitby> Kaerey: did you just say that your modifications to /etc/passwd persisted through a doctor reflash?
Jul 01 00:27:02 <tmzt> do we have any idea what that will do on a pre
Jul 01 00:27:10 <paul__> How can unread emails not be acknowledged?
Jul 01 00:27:12 <gkatsev> we /are/ on IRC talking about hacking a phone running linux, no?
Jul 01 00:27:27 <Kaerey> I think that's the place.
Jul 01 00:27:27 <paul__> Lol
Jul 01 00:27:35 <sugardave> rwhitby: that's what I thought he said
Jul 01 00:27:37 <Kaerey> When I went to recreate that step it said user already exists
Jul 01 00:27:45 <rwhitby> bpadalino, gkatsev: please don't even paste commands like that in jest.  some poor user will follow it.
Jul 01 00:27:57 <sugardave> but I don't think mine persisted and I just reset last night
Jul 01 00:28:13 <gkatsev> rwhitby: let them all run opensolaris then?
Jul 01 00:28:15 <tmzt> that won't even do anything
Jul 01 00:28:17 <tmzt> o
Jul 01 00:28:18 <tmzt> oh
Jul 01 00:28:20 <rwhitby> Kaerey: I would be extremely surprised by that, can you repeat it?
Jul 01 00:28:23 <tmzt> or the dd one
Jul 01 00:28:24 <Kaerey> so I continued and with finishing up and loged in with the username and password. been using it every since
Jul 01 00:28:24 <bpadalino> rwhitby, but it was on topic - clearing out the flash memory ?
Jul 01 00:28:27 <gkatsev> rwhitby: well, unless he is running root, at worst, it will delete his home folder...
Jul 01 00:28:29 <xvalx> paul__: It's hard to explain.  When a new mail comes in you get the black bar at the bottom with an envelope icon.  If you click that it goes away, but you still have unread mails.
Jul 01 00:28:44 <rwhitby> gkatsev: this channel respects all participants, regardless of skill level.
Jul 01 00:28:44 <Kaerey> LOL I could try if I need to webosDR my pre again. I'd prefer not to!
Jul 01 00:29:05 <gkatsev> rwhitby: right, i understand
Jul 01 00:29:07 <tmzt> what do you mean your user remained? the user name did?
Jul 01 00:29:15 <Kaerey> yeah and password
Jul 01 00:29:19 <sugardave> awww, come on Kaerey, it's for a god cuase :D
Jul 01 00:29:32 <Kaerey> LOL I love you all ... not that much. I'm too lazy for it
Jul 01 00:29:38 <rwhitby> seriously, if info persists past a doctor reflash, we need to know about it.
Jul 01 00:29:49 <rwhitby> but anyone can test it.
Jul 01 00:30:03 <rwhitby> (someone who needs to do a reflash anyway for some reason)
Jul 01 00:30:14 <Robi_> there anything i should install before upgrading to 1.0.4 ?
Jul 01 00:30:16 <JackieRipper> when passing a callback function to a function with .bind(this), such as functionA(this.fuctionB.bind(this));   is there a way to pass a second argument, that will also be passed to functionB?
Jul 01 00:30:18 <gkatsev> what exactly does the webOSdr do?
Jul 01 00:30:21 <tmzt> yeah, the dd command given earlier is very risky, we don't even know the implications of it
Jul 01 00:30:43 <rboatright> other than probably bricking the phone
Jul 01 00:30:43 <rwhitby> tmzt: indeed
Jul 01 00:30:50 <Kaerey> Robi go grab all the goodies in the homebrew section of the precentral forum
Jul 01 00:30:54 <bpadalino> i'm actually glad we haven't bricked any phones yet
Jul 01 00:30:58 <bpadalino> pretty good going
Jul 01 00:31:03 <Kaerey> <--- was close.
Jul 01 00:31:04 <tmzt> suprised?
Jul 01 00:31:06 <rwhitby> we never want (even in jest) to give someone info that will cause a warranty return to Palm or Sprint.
Jul 01 00:31:06 <JackieRipper> any javascript wizards?
Jul 01 00:31:10 <Robi_> Kaerey: you're stuff still up too ?
Jul 01 00:31:17 <Kaerey> yeah updated today
Jul 01 00:31:25 <tmzt> the one gk* gave could be recovered with doctor I assume
Jul 01 00:31:35 <tmzt> but it will wipe user data, not appreciated
Jul 01 00:31:38 <Robi_> k, got the url handY?
Jul 01 00:31:43 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: you can pass any function as many arguments as you want, all the extra arguments are held in this.argument
Jul 01 00:31:46 <Kaerey> co-mingles with a messaging application that JackieRipper put together to change just message alert sounds
Jul 01 00:32:01 <Kaerey> well messaging application edit.
Jul 01 00:32:47 <tmzt> has anybody done any from the ground up rewrites of builtin applications?
Jul 01 00:33:21 <Kaerey> I think mine is the closest to that
Jul 01 00:33:27 <Kaerey> and it's just picking sounds
Jul 01 00:33:30 <tmzt> why not just start over?
Jul 01 00:33:35 <tmzt> then
Jul 01 00:34:03 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: I have this:  http://predev.pastebin.com/m37f1912f
Jul 01 00:34:53 * gkatsev is not a js wizard by any means, just fyi
Jul 01 00:35:33 <tmzt> anybody know what kind of 2d drawing capabilities are in the js api?
Jul 01 00:35:37 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: and this: http://predev.pastebin.com/md22ea6e
Jul 01 00:35:37 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: and you want to pass getMessageTones another argument?
Jul 01 00:35:50 <gkatsev> tmzt: using canvas, its pretty awesome
Jul 01 00:36:00 <tmzt> good
Jul 01 00:36:11 <tmzt> no getGLESContext() or something, right?
Jul 01 00:36:20 <tmzt> since we don't even have a kernel driver
Jul 01 00:36:27 <xvalx> does anyone know how that black notification bar at the bottom is generated?
Jul 01 00:36:32 <JackieRipper> on the second page, getMessagetone is called, and calls this.doBanner.bind(this) as its callback
Jul 01 00:36:42 <rboatright> each app calls notifications
Jul 01 00:36:49 <rboatright> notifications is a mojo service
Jul 01 00:37:02 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: right.
Jul 01 00:37:16 <JackieRipper> I'd like doBanner to get what getMessagetone sends, plus bannerParams,bannerLaunchParams,bannerType
Jul 01 00:37:37 <JackieRipper> no matter how I phrase it, banner* come back undefined
Jul 01 00:38:55 <tmzt> what does the ipc look like from js?
Jul 01 00:39:07 <JackieRipper> as it's pasted, do banner would have payload.messagetone.fullPath (which is the path to the sound)
Jul 01 00:39:14 <xvalx> okay, last question guys, is there a command, or /sys/class to activate vibration?
Jul 01 00:39:27 <tmzt> '/sys/class/leds/ ?
Jul 01 00:39:39 <edektor> canvas?
Jul 01 00:39:45 <JackieRipper> But it needs to get bannerParams, bannerLaunchParams and bannerType to be of any use
Jul 01 00:40:24 <gkatsev> edektor: html5 canvas
Jul 01 00:40:27 <xvalx> tmzt: that may be good for a repeat notification type thing, but I want to activate the vibrator (sounds dirty)
Jul 01 00:40:44 <gkatsev> xvalx: there are a few vibrator apps for the iphone now with 3.0
Jul 01 00:41:00 <edektor> yeah I was reading a question farther up in this channel
Jul 01 00:41:07 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: cant you call this.doBanner.bind(this,bannerParams,bannerLaunchParams,bannerType) ?
Jul 01 00:41:08 <tmzt> xvalx: that's how you do it ususally
Jul 01 00:41:15 <tmzt> if you want an api method, no idea
Jul 01 00:41:22 <tmzt> just echo 1 > brightness
Jul 01 00:41:26 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: it seems not
Jul 01 00:41:31 <tmzt> it will vibrate until you echo 0
Jul 01 00:41:34 <JackieRipper> they come back undefined
Jul 01 00:41:46 <rwhitby> bclancy: ready for patch application instructions?
Jul 01 00:41:54 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: doBanner im guessing by default takes 1 paramater?
Jul 01 00:41:58 <xvalx> tmzt: in /sys/class/led?
Jul 01 00:42:02 <rwhitby> Anyone else want to alpha-test http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches ?
Jul 01 00:42:07 <tmzt> ls /sys/class/led/
Jul 01 00:42:07 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: it can take whatever
Jul 01 00:42:16 <bclancy> sure
Jul 01 00:42:41 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: that is, I can set it to take anything... I've tried one arg, multiple args
Jul 01 00:42:57 <xvalx> tmzt: they're all actual light leds
Jul 01 00:42:57 <rwhitby> bclancy: http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches
Jul 01 00:43:10 <tmzt> xvalx: ok, look in /sys/class then
Jul 01 00:43:27 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: are you writing that method?
Jul 01 00:43:31 <rwhitby> bclancy: keep me informed with status at each step.  if it's two or three lines, just paste in channel.  if it's more then please use a pastebin.
Jul 01 00:43:34 <JackieRipper> yes
Jul 01 00:43:52 <gkatsev> and passing the three params doesnt help?
Jul 01 00:44:14 <JackieRipper> MessagingMojoService.getMessagetone(banner, this.doBanner.bind(this,bannerParams,bannerLaunchParams,bannerType));
Jul 01 00:44:22 <bclancy> rwhitby:  OK
Jul 01 00:44:26 <JackieRipper> NotificationAssistant.prototype.doBanner = function(payload,bannerParams,bannerLaunchParams,bannerType) {
Jul 01 00:44:33 <JackieRipper> like that?
Jul 01 00:44:35 <Kaerey> rwhitby, I don't like the term alpha test after you just tried to get me to webosDR my pre......
Jul 01 00:45:18 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: yeah
Jul 01 00:45:18 <rwhitby> Kaerey: ?
Jul 01 00:45:24 <Kaerey> ... that was a joke
Jul 01 00:45:42 <rwhitby> ok, sorry I didn't get it :-)
Jul 01 00:46:08 <rwhitby> bclancy: you're willing to webos doctor your pre if this fails horribly, right?
Jul 01 00:46:11 <JackieRipper> gkatsev: http://predev.pastebin.com/m3169fed4
Jul 01 00:46:24 <JackieRipper> and http://predev.pastebin.com/m37f1912f
Jul 01 00:46:29 <JackieRipper> look correct?
Jul 01 00:46:30 <rwhitby> I tested most of this remotely on Robi's Pre the other night.
Jul 01 00:46:36 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: yep
Jul 01 00:46:52 <JackieRipper> is there a way to restart the messaging app without rebooting?
Jul 01 00:47:02 <tmzt> have we built an emultor for people with pre yet?
Jul 01 00:47:15 <rwhitby> ?
Jul 01 00:47:20 <tmzt> qemu/omap3, not sdk stuff
Jul 01 00:47:37 <tmzt> we have the kernel source, not that we need it since it's so standard
Jul 01 00:47:47 <rwhitby> qemu wiki page says it's a dead end, but don't let that stop anyone :-)
Jul 01 00:47:50 <tmzt> easier to recover than the phsyical device
Jul 01 00:48:02 <tmzt> wiki?
Jul 01 00:49:11 <bclancy> rwhitby:  always (but I might ask for help in some of the steps if it comes to that)
Jul 01 00:49:33 <rwhitby> tmzt: 4 hits for search of qemu on the predev wiki
Jul 01 00:49:33 <gkatsev> JackieRipper: hey, i g2g, gl with this.
Jul 01 00:49:39 <rwhitby> bclancy: absolutely
Jul 01 00:49:40 <JackieRipper> thanks!
Jul 01 00:49:46 <JackieRipper> have a good one
Jul 01 00:49:55 <tmzt> I mean what is the url, only get part of the topic
Jul 01 00:51:19 <rwhitby> predev.wikidot.com
Jul 01 00:51:44 <bclancy> rwhitby:  on the step to install guilt and git, if I've already done that, will doing an install again hurt anything (mostly asking for others who might have one or both of these already installed)
Jul 01 00:51:58 <JackieRipper> tmzt: current topic is: Legit discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - use #webos for that). Policy at http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy - Honor all NDAs, licenses, carrier agreements and Palm code copyrights when speaking here. Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://predev.wikidot.com/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ - it's safe to update to 1.0.4
Jul 01 00:52:10 <rwhitby> bclancy: nope, if everything is installed already it will just report that is the case
Jul 01 00:52:27 <bclancy> I thought so but wanted to be sure
Jul 01 00:52:33 <rwhitby> bclancy: I try and make all the steps idempotent
Jul 01 00:52:47 <rwhitby> (whereever possible)
Jul 01 00:53:32 <tmzt> those are all using bootloader it looks like
Jul 01 00:53:37 <tmzt> seems unnecessary
Jul 01 00:53:50 <tmzt> -kernel zImage -append 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2'
Jul 01 00:54:05 <bclancy> rwhitby:  or just a comment saying if anything is already installed, it will be ok
Jul 01 00:54:29 <tmzt> is partition1 a fatfs? huh?
Jul 01 00:54:37 <tmzt> http://predev.wikidot.com/qemu
Jul 01 00:54:55 <rwhitby> bclancy: done
Jul 01 00:56:25 <tmzt> it might have something to with uImage's having a header
Jul 01 00:56:43 <tmzt> oh well, real rootfs/pres came quickly enough after the first night
Jul 01 00:57:04 <tmzt> but for the kind of development you want to do emulation could be really useful
Jul 01 00:57:40 <tmzt> reading the arch/arm/boot/compressed dir in linux should help with uImage format and converting to vmlinux
Jul 01 00:58:05 <bpadalino> you can rip apart the uImage to get the kernel and initrd
Jul 01 01:05:47 <bclancy> rwhitby:  are spaces allowed/possible around the equals signs in the /opt/etc/quilt.quiltrc file?
Jul 01 01:06:17 <rwhitby> dunno
Jul 01 01:06:45 <rwhitby> probably not, since it's directly sourced as a shell script to set environment variables
Jul 01 01:06:52 <bclancy> rwhitby:  if not, spaces are allowed before or after a comment char at beginning of line., so I want to change the sed command as follows
Jul 01 01:07:05 <paul__> Rough Cut a good buy? Yay, nah?
Jul 01 01:07:16 <rwhitby> bclancy: the .* at the start should pick up anything
Jul 01 01:07:21 <bclancy> rwhitby:  sed -ire 's|^\s*QUILT_PATCHES=.*|QUILT_PATCHES=/opt/src/patches|' /opt/etc/quilt.quiltrc
Jul 01 01:07:42 <bclancy> wait, pasted wrong one
Jul 01 01:07:47 <paul__> I was thinking the online version.
Jul 01 01:07:51 <rwhitby> bclancy: the intention is to pick up any line (commented or not) and change it to the right one.
Jul 01 01:08:01 <rwhitby> sed -ie 's|^.*QUILT_PATCHES=.*|QUILT_PATCHES=/opt/src/patches|' /opt/etc/quilt.quiltrc
Jul 01 01:08:09 <bclancy> rwhitby:  sed -ire 's|^[\s#]*QUILT_PATCHES=.*|QUILT_PATCHES=/opt/src/patches|' /opt/etc/quilt.quiltrc
Jul 01 01:08:18 <rwhitby> bclancy: .* is a superset of that
Jul 01 01:08:29 <bclancy> yes, and that bad
Jul 01 01:08:55 <rwhitby> 'QUILT_PATCHES=' will always be unique in that file
Jul 01 01:09:29 <bclancy> what if there was a line:  FOO_BAR_FINKY_QUILT_PATCHES=NO
Jul 01 01:09:40 <d3x0r> how do you sort a list in webos ?
Jul 01 01:09:50 <d3x0r> not progamtically like to click and order
Jul 01 01:09:55 <rwhitby> bclancy: there won't be in that file.  I agree in general that sed script should be specific.
Jul 01 01:09:57 <bclancy> that would bet changed too, better to limit the regexp to only what we expect it to be
Jul 01 01:10:32 <bclancy> probably true, just pointing it out
Jul 01 01:10:40 <rwhitby> bclancy: yeah, your regexp should match anything sane, so I'll use it.
Jul 01 01:11:12 <rwhitby> bclancy: does the sed in busybox on the Pre support -r ?
Jul 01 01:11:24 <rwhitby> (that's why I didn't use an extended regexp to start with)
Jul 01 01:12:46 <rboatright> d3x0r  you use draggable objects.  You ought to be able to find any one of a hundred web sites with tutorials about draggable lists in javascript.
Jul 01 01:12:52 <rboatright> directly applicable to webos
Jul 01 01:13:11 <Sloppyjm> heY THE NEW PHONE UPDATE IS IT BAD?
Jul 01 01:13:18 <rboatright> no
Jul 01 01:13:28 <Sloppyjm> SO IT WONT SCREW UP MY MODDIFCATIONS
Jul 01 01:13:32 <rwhitby> Sloppyjm: see /topci
Jul 01 01:13:33 <rboatright> it blocks email installs.  That's all.
Jul 01 01:14:01 <rwhitby> yeah, blocking an email installation vulnerability is a good thing.
Jul 01 01:14:02 <tmzt> ^caps
Jul 01 01:14:05 <bclancy> rwhitby:  -r is not listed in the usage, so probably not.
Jul 01 01:14:14 <Sloppyjm> OK SOUNDS GOOD THANKS
Jul 01 01:14:27 <rwhitby> Sloppyjm: check your caps lock key please
Jul 01 01:14:36 <paul__> +1
Jul 01 01:15:00 <Sloppyjm>  oh sorry
Jul 01 01:15:08 <tharris-> anyone notice it rebots faster in 1.0.4
Jul 01 01:15:11 <tharris-> reboots?
Jul 01 01:15:51 <Sloppyjm> is their a link to the update info log
Jul 01 01:15:52 <bclancy> rwhitby:  sinc quilt has a dependency on perl and we have installed qult in a prev step, we can just use perl instead of sed for the step we are talking about
Jul 01 01:15:57 <bclancy> *since
Jul 01 01:16:23 <rwhitby> bclancy: the busybox config file in the doctor says that -r is supported.
Jul 01 01:16:46 <rwhitby> bclancy: ah, there's some bug where busybox gives the help text for the previous command or something isn't there?
Jul 01 01:16:53 <rwhitby> did you see the right help text for sed?
Jul 01 01:16:59 <bclancy> probably
Jul 01 01:17:12 <nebula> oh my eyes
Jul 01 01:17:17 <nebula> the caps!
Jul 01 01:17:26 <bclancy> my command with the -r did not give an error (I don't think so anyway)
Jul 01 01:17:58 <bclancy> root@castle:/opt/src# sed -ire 's|^[\s#]*QUILT_PATCHES=.*|QUILT_PATCHES=/opt/src/patches|' /opt/etc/quilt.quiltrc
Jul 01 01:17:59 <bclancy> root@castle:/opt/src# echo $?
Jul 01 01:18:01 <rwhitby> bclancy: I've updated the instructions to use your sed command.
Jul 01 01:18:01 <bclancy> 0
Jul 01 01:18:02 <bclancy> root@castle:/opt/src#
Jul 01 01:18:15 <bclancy> OK
Jul 01 01:19:17 <JackieRipper> won't that sed statement replace comments?
Jul 01 01:19:27 <JackieRipper> and if so, is that a good idea?
Jul 01 01:19:30 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yes, that is the intention
Jul 01 01:19:45 <bclancy> rwhitby:  nefore "Choose a patch from the modifications repository and import it into your own patches directory:", we should probably give a command to list the patches currently available in the git repository
Jul 01 01:19:51 <bclancy> *before
Jul 01 01:19:59 <rwhitby> bclancy: agreed
Jul 01 01:20:17 <rwhitby> bclancy: is 'find' installed by default?
Jul 01 01:20:23 <JackieRipper> replaces both comments and actual settings?
Jul 01 01:20:37 <bclancy> JackieRipper:  Yes, and the line is commented out before we sed it, so we want that behavior
Jul 01 01:20:45 <JackieRipper> bclancy: ahh
Jul 01 01:21:12 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: yes, find is /usr/bin/find, which is busybox
Jul 01 01:21:19 <rwhitby> find . -name *.patch
Jul 01 01:22:03 <rwhitby> actually, I should use the the full path, so you can cut and paste the filename into the next command
Jul 01 01:23:18 <rwhitby> bclancy: updated
Jul 01 01:26:09 <bclancy> rwhitby:  Ok, I see 4 patches available, is there any one or multiples (that I can test applying)  possibly killing 2 birds with one stone?
Jul 01 01:26:30 <rwhitby> bclancy: app launcher add/delete pages patch is a simple one
Jul 01 01:26:43 <bclancy> ok
Jul 01 01:29:49 <rboatright> wish I was anygood with photoshop.
Jul 01 01:31:11 <tharris-> so file:// shows up in strings  in LunaSysMgr
Jul 01 01:31:29 <bclancy> rwhitby:  we have an error (looks like busybox does not have getopt) - I can install it or try another patch and continue testing your procedure
Jul 01 01:31:31 <bclancy> root@castle:/opt/src# cd /
Jul 01 01:31:32 <bclancy> root@castle:/# quilt import /opt/src/modifications/applauncher/add-delete-pages-in-the-launcher.patch
Jul 01 01:31:34 <bclancy> /opt/share/quilt/import: line 99: getopt: command not found
Jul 01 01:31:37 <bclancy> Usage: quilt import [-p num] [-R] [-P patch] [-f] [-d {o|a|n}] patchfile ...
Jul 01 01:31:39 <bclancy> root@castle:/# which getopt
Jul 01 01:31:41 <bclancy> root@castle:/# which getopts
Jul 01 01:31:42 <bclancy> root@castle:/#
Jul 01 01:31:49 <rwhitby> bclancy: good catch.
Jul 01 01:32:05 <rwhitby> looks like a missing quilt depedencye
Jul 01 01:32:18 <rwhitby> let me find out which package you need to install to fix
Jul 01 01:32:39 <bclancy> rhwitby:  ok, standing by
Jul 01 01:33:38 <rwhitby> bclancy: did you ipkg-opt update and ipkg-opt install quilt?
Jul 01 01:34:07 <bclancy> yes
Jul 01 01:34:14 <rwhitby> bclancy: ok, missing dep on util-linux-ng
Jul 01 01:34:22 <rwhitby> ipkg-opt install util-linux-ng
Jul 01 01:34:37 <bclancy> ok
Jul 01 01:35:46 <rwhitby> <CIA-6> rwhitby * r10397 optware/trunk/make/quilt.mk: quilt: Added dependency on util-linux-ng
Jul 01 01:35:59 <rwhitby> (from #nslu2-linux, where optware commits are reported)
Jul 01 01:36:17 <rwhitby> bclancy: new version of quilt with the updated dependency will be picked up by the autobuilder.
Jul 01 01:36:43 <rwhitby> (usually within the hour, depending on what else is being built at the time)
Jul 01 01:37:01 <bclancy> rwhitby:  that worked, moving on - trusting you'll fix the dependency and/or add the aboe util-linux-ng to the instructions in the meantime
Jul 01 01:37:15 <rwhitby> dependency is fixed
Jul 01 01:37:34 <rwhitby> and instructions updated
Jul 01 01:40:45 <bclancy> rhwitby:  I finished the instructions (short of exiting from root).  If the user has installed the pregame/rick thing, we could mention a rescan command in the notes instead of a reboot.  -- BTW:  Do you recall that command or should I search for it?
Jul 01 01:41:31 <rwhitby> bclancy: rescan won't help with mods to application source code
Jul 01 01:41:34 <bclancy> rhwitby:  another idea:  since they are already in root with root env vars/path, they can just type "reboot"
Jul 01 01:41:40 <rwhitby> it only works for new apps
Jul 01 01:42:03 <bclancy> OK, see suggestion to reboot instead of exiting root
Jul 01 01:42:22 <rwhitby> done
Jul 01 01:42:51 <rwhitby> bclancy: ok, can you check to make sure the patch has been applied and you have new entries in your application launcher menu?
Jul 01 01:43:59 <bclancy> rhwitby:  will do.  Not totally familiar with what the changed behavior will be- hopefully it will be obvious
Jul 01 01:44:14 <Noahbody> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7385/1.html
Jul 01 01:44:23 <Noahbody> i dont know if anyone has seen that or not
Jul 01 01:44:34 <Noahbody> its on the Pre
Jul 01 01:46:11 <drnull_> rwhitby: sorry, guess I should use afk or _work for my work login...
Jul 01 01:46:35 <rwhitby> drnull_: I assume people will just see the ping when they get back.  no hurry :-)
Jul 01 01:46:54 <drnull_> I like the page on quilt, looks like a great idea
Jul 01 01:47:16 <drnull_> are we worried that palm will update applications using diffs?
Jul 01 01:47:17 <crash_pr> novacom for linux is out there
Jul 01 01:47:24 <bclancy> rhwitby:  patch seems to have been applied - did not test the changes in the app yet (aside from sanity test of adding and immediately deleting a page)
Jul 01 01:47:31 <destinal> the new patch also fixes other undisclosed vulnerabilities, people forget
Jul 01 01:47:51 <destinal> some could fix more dangerous things than the email hole
Jul 01 01:48:01 <rwhitby> drnull_: if you use the push url for the modifcations repo, you should be able to reapply your patch, refresh it on the real device (I did it against 1.0.3 doctor files) and commit and push it back.
Jul 01 01:48:19 <rwhitby> drnull_: we want to quilt pop -a before OTA, and the quilt push -a after.
Jul 01 01:48:31 <rwhitby> crash_pr: legitimately?
Jul 01 01:48:51 <rwhitby> bclancy: ok, next step is to remove the patch.
Jul 01 01:48:59 <rwhitby> bclancy: cd / ; quilt pop -a
Jul 01 01:49:02 <bclancy> OK
Jul 01 01:50:33 <bclancy> rhwitby:  removed and rebooting now ...
Jul 01 01:51:37 <gordian> hey you guys know of a good general palm pre chan?
Jul 01 01:51:39 <drnull_> rwhitby: I need a bit more explaination, if you don't mind, or a link for further reading.  why would I need to reapply the patch and commit and push it back on device?
Jul 01 01:51:52 <gordian> i have some noobish questions i wouldn't want to bore you dudes with
Jul 01 01:52:12 <rwhitby> drnull_: here's the scenario
Jul 01 01:52:19 <rwhitby> (you're the author of the patch)
Jul 01 01:52:27 <Technobabble> you could wait for a lul in the chan, gordian
Jul 01 01:52:36 <rwhitby> Palm releases an OTA update, which overwrites the files you are patching.
Jul 01 01:52:52 <rwhitby> So you need to remove the patches, then apply the OTA update, and then see if the patches still apply.
Jul 01 01:53:19 <rwhitby> They will often apply, just with different offsets or fuzz (patching term).  If they don't you need to fix manually.
Jul 01 01:53:37 <bclancy> rhwitby: I've already updated to 1.04
Jul 01 01:53:54 <rwhitby> Once you have the fixed patch applying to the new webOS release, you run 'quilt refresh' to update the patch so it applies cleanly to the new release with no warning messages about offsets or fuzz.
Jul 01 01:54:00 <gordian> ok Technobabble
Jul 01 01:54:11 <rwhitby> then you push that updated patch back to the modificiations repository so that others can apply it after the update.
Jul 01 01:54:27 <bpadalino> quilt it smart enough to do that ?
Jul 01 01:54:31 <bpadalino> fuzz it up ?
Jul 01 01:54:33 <rwhitby> gordian: #webos is the general palm pre channel
Jul 01 01:54:38 <rwhitby> bpadalino: yep
Jul 01 01:54:42 <bpadalino> very cool
Jul 01 01:54:46 <rwhitby> bpadalino: that's why we're using it :-)
Jul 01 01:54:51 <bpadalino> quilt still needs perl or something, doesn't it ?
Jul 01 01:54:55 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 01 01:54:57 <rwhitby> it's big.
Jul 01 01:54:59 <bpadalino> were you able to stop getting segfaults ?
Jul 01 01:55:07 <rwhitby> yep.  eno fixed bash.
Jul 01 01:55:18 <bpadalino> oh, so  you need bash too instead of just sh from busybox ?
Jul 01 01:55:50 <bpadalino> how much space will the whole quilting system end up taking ?
Jul 01 01:56:35 <rwhitby> bpadalino: good question.  someone should measure that.
Jul 01 01:56:49 <bpadalino> :)
Jul 01 01:57:12 <bpadalino> what are quilts deps? i can eyeball it from the stable source
Jul 01 01:57:35 <bclancy> rhwitby: 2 things: 1) what you just said should be cut and pasted somewhere on the wiki (either now or later) - 2) can you or someone write up a cookbook for making a patch too?  (ie:  which form of diff will I need to use, file hierarchy structure, etc)
Jul 01 01:57:49 <drnull_> rwhitby: ok, I think I've got it.  I was shocked to see patch requiring bash... took a long time to install.  :(
Jul 01 01:58:03 <rwhitby> bclancy: I'm adding different sections to the page for setting up, applying patches, removing patches, etc.
Jul 01 01:58:25 <rwhitby> drnull_: I'm all ears if someone can find a lighter-weight solution that fits the requirements.
Jul 01 01:58:42 <bclancy> rwhitby:  awesome, ping me when you want me to look again
Jul 01 02:00:02 <drnull_> rwhitby: no, I see the need for it.  My question still remains, though, is it necessary to unapply a patch before an update?
Jul 01 02:00:54 <rwhitby> drnull_: consider the case where palm updates one file in the app which you have patched, but does not update another file in the same app.  suddenly your app no longer works.
Jul 01 02:01:19 <drnull_> and the patch couldn't be unapplied or reapplied because of that.  ok.
Jul 01 02:04:45 <rwhitby> zodttd2: will you be releasing the instructions to replicate http://www.zodttd.com/blog/2009/06/30/palm-pre-gets-some-playstation-action/ ?
Jul 01 02:04:56 <zodttd2> most certainly
Jul 01 02:05:26 <rwhitby> awesome.  great to hear that.
Jul 01 02:05:26 <zodttd2> Im having some issues with key up events when the  keypad0 key status == 2 ...hopefully someone will help once I get that up there
Jul 01 02:06:00 <rwhitby> zodttd2: one way to get help is to get the replication instructions out there so other folks in this channel (e.g. nebula) can help ...
Jul 01 02:06:33 <rwhitby> oh, is that what you just said you were going to do?
Jul 01 02:06:33 <zodttd2> Yup. Nebula seems to be doing similar stuff, so we can help each other out a lot it seems
Jul 01 02:06:39 <zodttd2> Yeah :)
Jul 01 02:06:46 <rwhitby> excellent.
Jul 01 02:08:10 <rwhitby> zodttd2: I should have checked here first before commenting on your blog :-)
Jul 01 02:10:19 <zodttd2> heh np
Jul 01 02:10:28 <rwhitby> bclancy: page updated
Jul 01 02:11:05 <bclancy> OK, will look at once I parse the scenario you explained to dr_null
Jul 01 02:12:10 <bpadalino> has anyone taken apart the browser plugins yet to try to get native apps to run inside of a card ?
Jul 01 02:12:46 <tmzt> has anyone got as far as printing on stderr from the browser process?
Jul 01 02:12:50 <rwhitby> bpadalino: quilt deps are in http://trac.nslu2-linux.org/optware/browser/trunk/make/quilt.mk
Jul 01 02:13:07 <bpadalino> thanks
Jul 01 02:14:26 <helfire> is there a way to change the carrier on the top of the phone?
Jul 01 02:14:34 <rboatright> zodttd2  -- can you eventually have that respond to the accelerometer?
Jul 01 02:15:00 <nebula> huh?
Jul 01 02:15:08 <zodttd2> Its possible to. Though accelerometer controls arent so fun for this sort. :P
Jul 01 02:15:12 <rboatright> btw, that was extremely cool.  -- neat video.
Jul 01 02:15:16 <zodttd2> thx
Jul 01 02:15:28 <rboatright> ok,  <-- not a gamer really.
Jul 01 02:15:44 <nebula> oh wheres the video
Jul 01 02:15:54 <rwhitby> helfire: you mean keep the same carrier, but change the text in the top bar?
Jul 01 02:15:57 <bclancy> rwhitby:  I just read through the page as you upated it and it looks good (http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches)
Jul 01 02:17:17 <nebula> zodttd: we need to talk!
Jul 01 02:17:31 <zodttd> Heh yesh
Jul 01 02:17:33 <zodttd> :)
Jul 01 02:17:53 <rwhitby> please talk in channel so the info gets into the logs at least :-)
Jul 01 02:18:07 <nebula> zodttd: pulse audio can supposedly be run in a client/server relationship
Jul 01 02:18:21 <zodttd> nebula: I heard you were looking to get controls going...Need some quick help?
Jul 01 02:18:26 <zodttd> err keypad controls*
Jul 01 02:18:48 <zodttd> PulseAudio also has a OSS wrapper sometimes available, as I use OSS normally, that would be good to have.
Jul 01 02:19:10 <tmzt> sdl should work without
Jul 01 02:19:14 <tmzt> with it
Jul 01 02:19:19 <zodttd> I see the PA binaries on the Palm Pre
Jul 01 02:19:26 <nebula> zodttd: yeah it's for the mame emulator, for some reason the keybindings seem like normal... but remapping them is a pita, as the binding values don't seem accurate from the x-11/sdl mappings
Jul 01 02:19:34 <zodttd> I dont use SDL normally. I tend to use /dev/fb and /dev/input/keypad0 (in this case)
Jul 01 02:19:50 <tmzt> ah
Jul 01 02:19:53 <zodttd> Which MAME revision? I was planning on giving that a go, but I heard you did it. :)
Jul 01 02:19:54 <nebula> ah goodies
Jul 01 02:20:02 <nebula> id rather not use sdl
Jul 01 02:20:03 <tmzt> you wrote the eum or adapted it?
Jul 01 02:20:07 <nebula> adapted
Jul 01 02:20:08 <tmzt> emu
Jul 01 02:20:13 <tmzt> ok
Jul 01 02:20:13 <nebula> he wrote his
Jul 01 02:20:15 <bpadalino> perl is 7.4MB, coreutils is 1.9MB, bash is 327kB, diffutils is 66kB, patch is 55kB, util-linux-ng is 472kB
Jul 01 02:20:21 <zodttd> I wrote a good portion of it
Jul 01 02:20:27 <nebula> zodttd > nebula
Jul 01 02:20:28 <nebula> ;)
Jul 01 02:20:28 <zodttd> Others worked on it as well
Jul 01 02:20:37 <zodttd> LOL nah!
Jul 01 02:20:37 <tmzt> would it help if we had gl in the kernel?
Jul 01 02:20:41 <zodttd> I heard you got VLC going?
Jul 01 02:20:54 <PreMan> I have a question regarding the palm pre and bluetooth headsets.
Jul 01 02:20:57 <zodttd> I can provide OGLES 2.0 drivers
Jul 01 02:21:01 <zodttd> As I have them for this OMAP
Jul 01 02:21:02 <nebula> yeah but i forgot to load the damned plugins at compile time... so... weightless app.
Jul 01 02:21:13 <zodttd> err wait
Jul 01 02:21:18 <zodttd> I have the libraries / SDK
Jul 01 02:21:20 <PreMan> Does the 'jawbone' work with Palm Pre, or is there any workaround if it doesnt?
Jul 01 02:21:24 <zodttd> But we would need the drivers
Jul 01 02:21:25 <nebula> vnc worked, no keyboard/mous
Jul 01 02:21:28 <bpadalino> rwhitby: ~10.22MB compressed.. not sure how much bigger they get when the packages are uncompressed/installed
Jul 01 02:21:34 <tmzt> libraries?
Jul 01 02:21:46 <tmzt> what kind of kernel module?
Jul 01 02:21:46 <rwhitby> bpadalino: looks like we need to increase the granularity of the packaging.
Jul 01 02:21:46 <nebula> zodttd: someone needs to write a driver for /dev/touchscreen
Jul 01 02:21:52 <zodttd> nebula: I do a port of VLC to the iPhone. If you need help let me know. VLC is a pain in the ass to port. ;)
Jul 01 02:22:04 <nebula> zodttd: took me 4 hours to compile!
Jul 01 02:22:06 <tmzt> drm/dri/command submission?
Jul 01 02:22:13 <PreMan> anyone know about jawbone?
Jul 01 02:22:19 <zodttd> Heh, it gets crazy for the iPhone (as most things can be)
Jul 01 02:22:27 <rwhitby> PreMan: the palm folks in #webos might be able to answer that one ...
Jul 01 02:22:32 <bpadalino> rwhitby: if you could cut that down ,that would be great
Jul 01 02:22:33 <zodttd>  /dev/touchscreen should be a priority
Jul 01 02:22:36 <tmzt> what are you asking?
Jul 01 02:22:44 <nebula> zodttd: so how about you load up the mame emulator and i show you what im talking about?
Jul 01 02:22:47 <tmzt> why is touchscreen missing anyway?
Jul 01 02:22:52 <tmzt> it's not usb
Jul 01 02:22:57 <bpadalino> zodttd: what does a hexdump of the touchscreen device look like anyway ?
Jul 01 02:23:09 <zodttd> I dont know. I just read() the dev
Jul 01 02:23:13 <zodttd> And probe those results
Jul 01 02:23:28 <zodttd> Thats how I handled the input/keypad0
Jul 01 02:23:38 <tmzt> the hidd multiplex daemon is opening everything exclusively
Jul 01 02:23:40 <bpadalino> zodttd: ah - i've been doing hexdump -C on the device and it keeps scrolling the output ..
Jul 01 02:23:42 <zodttd> nebula: What needs to be done?
Jul 01 02:23:46 <tmzt> or was that fixed?
Jul 01 02:23:47 <bpadalino> kinda neat
Jul 01 02:24:01 <zodttd> bpadalino: Oh I see what you mean! Very nice :)
Jul 01 02:24:05 <bpadalino> :)
Jul 01 02:24:09 <jdub> zodttd: ps1 for the win! nice work.
Jul 01 02:24:22 <zodttd> Heh, GBA and TG16 to follow
Jul 01 02:24:24 <nebula> zodttd: just remapping of keys, theres a problem with the default bindings of xmame.sdl whereas it requires 1, 5, etc. and the orange option key is mapped to esc (fail)
Jul 01 02:24:45 <tmzt> without hidd running?
Jul 01 02:24:45 <zodttd> Havent a clue. I dont use DirectFB
Jul 01 02:24:53 * jdub thinks it's hilarious that native apps are exposed to webos as browser plugins
Jul 01 02:25:01 <nebula> so you just map it to /dev/fb direct?
Jul 01 02:25:05 <zodttd> I'm using /dev/fb0
Jul 01 02:25:05 <zodttd> yes
Jul 01 02:25:08 <nebula> k
Jul 01 02:25:17 <nebula> depends on the app and if it supports that though, right?
Jul 01 02:25:18 <zodttd> and /dev/input/keypad0 for controls
Jul 01 02:25:32 <tmzt> jdub: open question is what NpWindow* wrapps
Jul 01 02:25:37 <zodttd> Well writing to the framebuffer is program specific
Jul 01 02:26:13 <zodttd> But its fairly easy to do. Makes blits quick.
Jul 01 02:26:23 <nebula> you do that ps thing in a chroot?
Jul 01 02:26:26 <zodttd> Its probably what DirectFB is doing under the hood
Jul 01 02:26:42 <tmzt> yes, mmap
Jul 01 02:26:44 <zodttd> Nope, you open it inside your options with open() and mmap it
Jul 01 02:26:55 <tmzt> but pre isn't using dfb exactly
Jul 01 02:27:28 <zodttd> Im wondering where the DirectFB source for Pre is...It would be helpful to see how they map their keys and read the device
Jul 01 02:28:01 <tmzt> as far as I can tell, events are read from a socket provided by hidd
Jul 01 02:29:02 <tmzt> for a linux input device you just read a struct defined in linux/input.h or something like that
Jul 01 02:29:17 <tmzt> you get ev.type ev.code etc.
Jul 01 02:30:16 <gordian> you guys need to work on an app that murders iphone if they step within your personal space
Jul 01 02:30:23 <gordian> *iphone users
Jul 01 02:30:47 <nebula> zodttd: i saw somewhere in the code the hex values for the keypad, and the manufacturer/model
Jul 01 02:30:58 <sugardave> gordian, I'll just modify my "stab doofus in face over Internet" app
Jul 01 02:30:59 <gordian> ...it can brick their "device" to boot
Jul 01 02:31:01 <rwhitby> gordian: the market is big enough for multiple smartphone solutions.
Jul 01 02:31:05 <zodttd> nebula: Want some sample code real quick?
Jul 01 02:31:12 <nebula> zodttd: sure
Jul 01 02:31:15 <nebula> dpaste it
Jul 01 02:31:39 <zodttd> using pastie
Jul 01 02:34:30 <nebula> zodttd: fyi, fceultra is slow as crap with directfb
Jul 01 02:34:47 <nebula> and the mame port is the first app i've noticed can pass sound
Jul 01 02:35:05 <zodttd> heh! Weird...I will post some source for /dev/fb source soon too
Jul 01 02:35:09 <nebula> though it's using sdl sound *booo*
Jul 01 02:35:36 <nebula> ./dev/snd/* seems to be where the devices live, yet i can't stat them
Jul 01 02:35:47 <nebula> even with other processes not using it
Jul 01 02:35:57 <helfire> rwhitby: ya change the carrier text
Jul 01 02:36:03 <nebula> ie, no dev/dsp
Jul 01 02:36:21 <nebula> so it's gonna have to be app -> pulse, methinks
Jul 01 02:36:25 <rwhitby> helfire: my guess is there might be a dbus call for that.
Jul 01 02:36:45 <rwhitby> someone should snoop dbus while changing carriers.  oh, there's only one carrier so far :-(
Jul 01 02:37:27 <helfire> thought it might be a simple string i could change, just wanted to put my name there or something whitty :)
Jul 01 02:38:35 <hemna> seen the engadget article?
Jul 01 02:39:05 <tharris-> which one
Jul 01 02:39:21 <hemna> playstation games
Jul 01 02:39:35 <jdub> hemna: meet zodttd
Jul 01 02:39:39 <bpadalino> helfire: there is a bar-scene.html file that lists the carrier ..
Jul 01 02:39:44 * zodttd waves
Jul 01 02:39:58 <bpadalino> helfire: you can change that to be whatever you want
Jul 01 02:40:37 <helfire> cool thanks, got the full path? (or i'll just do a find)
Jul 01 02:40:43 <bpadalino> helfire: in bar-assistant.js there is a getCarrierName
Jul 01 02:40:49 <bpadalino> which you can change if you want to try doing something more simple
Jul 01 02:40:59 <hemna> :P
Jul 01 02:41:05 <hemna> sweet..noce job zodttd
Jul 01 02:41:09 <hemna> err nice even
Jul 01 02:41:13 <bpadalino> i dunno where the file is .. i opened the project and just looked for files that matched "bar"
Jul 01 02:41:19 <bpadalino> <3 textmate :(
Jul 01 02:41:20 <bpadalino> :)
Jul 01 02:41:32 <rwhitby> helfire: if you're going to do a mod, and have used 'patch' before, please read up on http://predev.wikidot.com/applying-patches and see if you can work out quilt and contribute the mod as a patch ...
Jul 01 02:41:42 <zodttd> http://www.pastie.org/530270
Jul 01 02:41:46 <nebula> w00t
Jul 01 02:41:47 <zodttd> thanks hemna
Jul 01 02:42:07 <helfire> ya just installed quilt, nice way to keep track of changes
Jul 01 02:42:39 <rwhitby> helfire: you've used quilt before?
Jul 01 02:42:41 <nebula> zodttd: a program to get keymappings?
Jul 01 02:42:50 <zodttd> Press all the keys
Jul 01 02:42:52 <nebula> ya
Jul 01 02:42:53 <zodttd> note the scancode :P
Jul 01 02:43:06 <helfire> rwhitby: no but read up on it when i saw it on the dev wiki
Jul 01 02:43:13 <zodttd> fprintf(stderr, "scancode: %u \n", scancode);
Jul 01 02:43:15 <zodttd> :)
Jul 01 02:43:17 <helfire> glad your using git too, my favorite version control system
Jul 01 02:44:04 <rwhitby> helfire: I'll be interested to hear your comments on the quilt work-flow.
Jul 01 02:44:18 <rwhitby> (and to get you hooked up with git commit for your mods)
Jul 01 02:44:56 <hemna> I'm still trying to get the friggin gstreamer gst-launch to work to snap a picture
Jul 01 02:44:59 <hemna> not much luck
Jul 01 02:45:24 <helfire> i'll have to play with it more but looks promising. None of my mods are anything new, just learning and finding things as i go, but if i get something cool i'll be sure to come back and share
Jul 01 02:45:39 <hemna> is there a repos for homebrew apps yet?
Jul 01 02:47:12 <helfire> is there a way to run crond while the phone's screen is off? i'm trying to do some gps tracking but the script only runs when the screen is awake
Jul 01 02:47:28 <tmzt> hemna: what are you trying?
Jul 01 02:48:01 <hemna> gst-launch -v camsrc take-picture=true ! palmjpegencfilesink location=/tmp/foo.jpg
Jul 01 02:48:34 <tmzt> zodttd: ne: alsa work?
Jul 01 02:48:38 <tmzt> nul1:
Jul 01 02:48:46 <zodttd> Through Pulse Audio, I hear
Jul 01 02:48:51 <zodttd> but I dont know
Jul 01 02:48:52 <hemna> helfire, so crond doesn't fire schedules w/ the screen off?
Jul 01 02:49:00 <nebula> zodttd: i assume you needed to shut LunaSysMgr when throwing to the screen
Jul 01 02:49:07 <zodttd> yup
Jul 01 02:49:09 <nebula> k
Jul 01 02:49:11 <tmzt> zodttd: do you normally work with linux?
Jul 01 02:49:17 <drnull_> rwhitby: maybe a stuipd question... how does quilt know to use -p 1 when applying the patch?
Jul 01 02:49:19 <zodttd> Linux / BSD if possible
Jul 01 02:49:27 <rwhitby> drnull: I think that's the default.
Jul 01 02:49:29 <helfire> hemna: unless i have it configured wrong, no it doesnt fire w/ the screen off
Jul 01 02:49:40 <tmzt> zodttd: what is the reason for doing all this by hand?
Jul 01 02:49:57 <rwhitby> helfire: if you're applying existing mods and want to make them into patches, that'd be nice ;-)
Jul 01 02:50:27 <zodttd> Profit and fame?
Jul 01 02:50:28 <zodttd> lol :P
Jul 01 02:50:34 <rwhitby> hemna: we're trying to start http://gitorious.org/webos-applications - EvanDotPro is going to move the hello world app there.
Jul 01 02:50:36 <tmzt> ok
Jul 01 02:50:38 <helfire> rwhitby: cool, might have to do that
Jul 01 02:50:48 <hemna> rwhitby, ok cool
Jul 01 02:50:58 <hemna> I'm a git newb....been using cvs/svn for years
Jul 01 02:51:03 <rwhitby> helfire: saves doing them again manually after the next OTA update
Jul 01 02:51:12 <tmzt> zodttd: pulse should give back the alsa device when not in use
Jul 01 02:51:27 <nebula> tmzt: i believe it will automagically
Jul 01 02:51:38 <drnull_> hemna: ditto.  Taking me a while to get used to the idea of local commits then pushing
Jul 01 02:51:41 <tmzt> alsa ioctls aren't so bad if you avoid mixer
Jul 01 02:52:13 <zodttd> tmzt: Awesome! That can come in handy then. I was hoping they provided an OSS wrapper for PulseAudio
Jul 01 02:52:23 <tmzt> just open the correct pcm device
Jul 01 02:52:23 <EvanDotPro> rwhitby: i'm doing that tonight or tomorrow, by the way.
Jul 01 02:52:29 <tmzt> you don't want to use it
Jul 01 02:52:37 <tmzt> certainly not for an emu
Jul 01 02:52:53 <tmzt> it traaps writes if the happen to be to /dev/dsp
Jul 01 02:53:02 <tmzt> using ld-preload I think
Jul 01 02:53:33 * rwhitby points to EvanDotPro as our resident git expert.
Jul 01 02:53:48 <tmzt> you might need libalsa to list the devices but then you can mmap and use buffers
Jul 01 02:54:07 <tmzt> don't know the details on that
Jul 01 02:55:09 <EvanDotPro> yep, just ping me if anyone needs git help... if i'm around, i'll be glad to help.
Jul 01 02:55:10 <hemna> what is /dev/DspBridge for ?
Jul 01 02:55:27 <tmzt> probably related to omap dsp
Jul 01 02:55:30 <tmzt> not sure
Jul 01 02:55:44 <helfire> hah changing the carrier name broke the top bar :)
Jul 01 02:55:52 <nebula> i fuser'd it, nothing obvious
Jul 01 02:55:56 <bpadalino> yes
Jul 01 02:56:02 <drnull_> rwhitby: or EvanDotPro for that matter... the other patch files I saw used diff --git.  What version of diff has that?  Or is it something built into git?
Jul 01 02:56:05 <bpadalino> dspbridge is to talk to the c64x+ DSP
Jul 01 02:56:26 <helfire> drnull_: git diff > file.patch
Jul 01 02:56:26 <rwhitby> drnull: our quilt install pulls in diffutils
Jul 01 02:56:27 <EvanDotPro> git has it's own diff built in.
Jul 01 02:56:43 <nebula> https://omapzoom.org/gf/project/omapbridge/wiki/?
Jul 01 02:56:45 <drnull_> awesome, filled out in triplicate.
Jul 01 02:56:52 <bpadalino> to ping the dsp: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/DSP_Howto
Jul 01 02:57:16 <rwhitby> drnull_: some of those patches I used stgit to create, some I used quilt.
Jul 01 02:57:27 <rwhitby> (stgit should run on the Pre, BTW)
Jul 01 02:57:40 <rwhitby> (I ported it to Optware the other night)
Jul 01 02:58:15 <tmzt> bpadalino: just ping?
Jul 01 02:58:24 <bpadalino> tmzt, well - that's the example they have
Jul 01 02:58:28 <tmzt> will c64+?? code run
Jul 01 02:59:00 <tmzt> I mean can it be loaded?
Jul 01 02:59:05 <rboatright> helfire, you're editing bar-assistant.js?
Jul 01 02:59:12 <rboatright> lots of things break that.
Jul 01 02:59:12 <helfire> ya
Jul 01 02:59:15 <tmzt> there's no gsm so it should break anything
Jul 01 02:59:41 <rboatright> all you did was edit the string for the carrier?
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