**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 06 02:59:56 2009 Jul 06 03:01:05 hi Jul 06 03:03:43 Does anyone want to help me implement the GPS tracking script onto my Pre? Jul 06 03:06:08 srry it took so long to respond, i was trying to fix somethign Jul 06 03:06:24 i'm having trouble with setting up DDNS on my pre Jul 06 03:06:37 can anyone help Jul 06 03:08:00 i need to pm with some one about an app im trying to piece togeter Jul 06 03:08:23 i have little experience and i dont know if i built it right or not Jul 06 03:09:02 doesnt seem like anyone is here Jul 06 03:09:29 dang it Jul 06 03:09:41 we're very shy Jul 06 03:09:58 so am i Jul 06 03:10:17 so could u help? Jul 06 03:10:35 ?'s about rooting the pre Jul 06 03:10:50 i know nothing about pre applications Jul 06 03:11:01 ?'s regarding an app im piecing together Jul 06 03:11:08 cant get it to work Jul 06 03:12:07 anyone here successfully rooted it? Jul 06 03:12:15 yup Jul 06 03:12:19 im trying to see how to install this gps tracker script on the wiki lol Jul 06 03:13:19 I've tried with Linux and XP both failed. Jul 06 03:13:31 I got it to work on Vista nad Win7 Jul 06 03:14:19 Vista 64 bit or 32 matter ? I have 64 installed Jul 06 03:14:40 32 bit Jul 06 03:15:31 Should work for either one though Jul 06 03:15:45 any skilled or even slightly skilled app builders? Jul 06 03:15:58 I'm going to try it now Jul 06 03:17:44 guess not Jul 06 03:23:44 what methods are you using for vista64? Jul 06 03:23:59 I don't believe any of the novaproxy or usb methods will work Jul 06 03:24:19 i know it shows the novaproxy drivers for 64bit but i have never been able to get them to work Jul 06 03:25:12 i need help with getting DDNS to work Jul 06 03:25:44 i have a modified usbNet app and i cant get it to work Jul 06 03:25:59 @Cleanser just getting start with it. I'll keep you updated Jul 06 03:26:18 The Win7 x64 installer has reported to work Jul 06 03:26:56 Can anyone here help me install the GPS tracker script from the wiki? Jul 06 03:31:10 has anyone succeeded in opening an html5 database in the emulator? Jul 06 03:32:42 i dont think anyone is here Jul 06 03:33:37 HebrewzHammer: clearly there are people here, ask your question and stick around Jul 06 03:33:38 HebrewzHammer: guess so. but it's okay. i'm in no rush. Jul 06 03:34:01 oh, I'm sorry, that was taken out of context Jul 06 03:34:30 bmcmillan: stick around, people will answer your question Jul 06 03:34:45 summatusmentis: yeup, thanks :) Jul 06 03:34:51 srry, i'm having problems getting DDN Jul 06 03:34:55 cleanser what kind of error are you getting with vista 64? for trying to root? Jul 06 03:34:55 DDNS to work* Jul 06 03:35:39 HebrewzHammer: what sort of problems? I don't have a Pre, and don't use DDNS, but if you're more specific, it's easier for people to know how to help Jul 06 03:36:58 i've followed all the instrustions on the wiki and it seems like it should be working b/c the ip that ddns.org has updated. However, when I try to ping the ip/hostname or connect with putty, it doesn't work. Jul 06 03:39:23 HebrewzHammer: that sounds odd, have your checked your iptables settings? Jul 06 03:39:56 srry, but i'm not that advanced uet. What do you mean by iptables settings? Jul 06 03:41:12 I'm just reading through the wiki to make sure I'm saying the right things Jul 06 03:41:17 iptables are the firewall Jul 06 03:41:29 you've seen http://predev.wikidot.com/putty ? Jul 06 03:42:26 yes, and i followed all that too Jul 06 03:42:33 not having much luck with Vista64 to root the pre Jul 06 03:42:53 this is the wiki i followed to setup the pre --> http://predev.wikidot.com/ddns-update Jul 06 03:46:12 Sloloem: back Jul 06 03:46:25 i think i found the problem Jul 06 03:46:51 is it illegal to call the msl from linux ? Jul 06 03:46:54 HebrewzHammer: oh? what do you think it is? Jul 06 03:46:58 i guess is it, sprint illegal Jul 06 03:48:06 db_: according to that netstat, nothing is listening on port 22. Jul 06 03:48:51 HebrewzHammer: you can ssh into your pre if it's on the local network (connected via wifi or something)? Jul 06 03:49:14 Can someone help me get the GPS tracker installed on my pre? Jul 06 03:50:57 I'm unclear on how to install novacom - using http://predev.wikidot.com/linux-rooting Jul 06 03:52:40 chris_: see the section on that page called "Getting the code" ? Jul 06 03:52:54 chris_: as far as I can see, it's just an executable you build and run. no need to install it, but you do need to build it. Jul 06 03:53:14 srry, had a phone call, lol. Yes, it will work fine on local network but I skipped an optional step in an eralier wiki which I believe will make it work. I'm working on fixing it now Jul 06 03:53:22 chris_: did you peruse the README? Jul 06 03:53:41 peruse is a good word Jul 06 03:53:45 HebrewzHammer: the -i eth0 in the upstart script, right? Jul 06 03:55:01 lol, yea. Ok, i'm new to all this and i'm just learning linux. How would I edit files like this? I've read on the wiki about using 'vi' but is there any other way, or is that what everyone uses? Jul 06 03:55:57 vi is the only editor available on the Pre Jul 06 03:56:05 ok Jul 06 03:56:05 only "native" editor Jul 06 03:56:15 you may be able to install others via optware Jul 06 03:56:21 I expect you can Jul 06 03:57:00 vi is sort of the standard unix editor, and there tends to be a version of it on almost every unix flavor Jul 06 03:58:00 if you're not familiar with vi, and don't want to try and learn it, check outMethod 2 Jul 06 03:58:01 Anyone wanna help me with implementing the GPS tracker script for my pre? Jul 06 03:58:03 http://predev.wikidot.com/replace-vi-with-a-fullscreen-text-editor Jul 06 03:58:20 vi sucks install nano on it Jul 06 03:58:33 Abyssul_, what point are you at ? Jul 06 03:58:57 Method 2? Jul 06 03:59:09 HebrewzHammer: on the link above Jul 06 03:59:23 Noahbody: vi doesn't suck, but it's got a bit of a learning curve Jul 06 03:59:42 I've already rooted my phone and step 4 Jul 06 03:59:53 yes it does have a learning curve Jul 06 04:00:01 nano is so much easier to use Jul 06 04:00:10 are you stuck? Jul 06 04:00:34 How do I do step 4? Jul 06 04:00:55 crap, when i try to save the file vi says it is read-only Jul 06 04:01:00 Noahbody: ease is relative, I use vi(m) all the time, and get confused when I'm in nano :) for someone with no experience, you're probably right Jul 06 04:01:13 Abyssul_, vi /etc/event.d/crond Jul 06 04:01:16 HebrewzHammer: did you remount / as read-write? Jul 06 04:01:36 i have used either nano or pico for a few years now Jul 06 04:01:41 its what i know Jul 06 04:02:13 well, exactly, ease is all dependent on what you're familiar with Jul 06 04:02:18 right Jul 06 04:02:27 i know people that prefer vi Jul 06 04:02:30 nano is closer to "notepad" in windows, or other pretty basic text eidtors Jul 06 04:02:33 editors Jul 06 04:02:34 others wont touch it Jul 06 04:02:38 i guess i accidently did (also, how to you send a mssg to someone on IRC like your doing, so that the name of the person you sending the mssg to will appear before the mssg?) Jul 06 04:02:41 Thanks summatusmentis and rwhitby, thought that was a later step Jul 06 04:03:03 HebrewzHammer, like this ;a0 Jul 06 04:03:05 Thanks, now how do you exit the editor? Jul 06 04:03:10 HebrewzHammer: for you, I type "He" without the quotes Jul 06 04:03:16 esc Jul 06 04:03:20 :x Jul 06 04:03:39 k, cool. Jul 06 04:03:51 chris_: sure thing Jul 06 04:04:11 but, about the read-werite thing. I'm not exactly sure what to do Jul 06 04:04:21 HebrewzHammer: most IRC clients have tab complete for nicknames, otherwise, just type it out Jul 06 04:04:39 oh, i thought it was a right-click feature or something Jul 06 04:04:46 HebrewzHammer, try to open a new connection and remount to rw Jul 06 04:05:16 or just :q! Jul 06 04:05:22 remount Jul 06 04:05:28 then edit Jul 06 04:07:22 sweet, got it! Thanx. Again, i'm new to this and just started learning linux so i dont understand all the mounting and remounting stuff Jul 06 04:08:07 On the 2nd step of the 2nd part, when I try and add "*/5 * * * * /home/scripts/track.sh" I get "Pattern Not Found" Jul 06 04:08:45 Abyssul_: make sure you are in insert mode first Jul 06 04:08:56 oh, are you using vi? Jul 06 04:09:04 ya Jul 06 04:09:08 so should i go nano over joe? Jul 06 04:09:14 use vi Jul 06 04:09:22 learn it. Jul 06 04:09:35 Abyssul_: so when you first open the file, press 'i' to get into insert mode Jul 06 04:09:40 otherwise you are in command mode Jul 06 04:09:46 and / means search for something Jul 06 04:09:50 k, probably better to know it anyway Jul 06 04:09:56 thanks Jul 06 04:10:03 or install vim and use that (you can get so much more cool stuff from a full vim) Jul 06 04:10:18 but now im going to sleep Jul 06 04:10:19 night Jul 06 04:10:20 * sugardave knows enough vi to be dangerous. Jul 06 04:10:54 HebrewzHammer: nano will be easier, but vi is good to know Jul 06 04:11:11 k, cool Jul 06 04:11:26 i'm restarting my pre to see if that ficed my DDNS problem Jul 06 04:11:52 do you guys say "vee eye" or "vie"? Jul 06 04:12:19 sugardave: usually I'm talking about "vim" (the better version of vi) Jul 06 04:13:14 sugardave: vee eye, though, vim is easier and what i actually use, in conjunction to gvim Jul 06 04:14:42 rwhitby, trying to build precomd but I'm missing autogen.sh and configure Jul 06 04:16:22 chris_: you're right - looks like the README is incorrect - give bpadalino a shout about it Jul 06 04:16:37 yeah just "make" works IIRC Jul 06 04:18:19 destinal, thanks just tried that. I should be able to just cd into src/ and run novacom? Jul 06 04:19:27 how long will grep take looking for a string from the root dir =\ Jul 06 04:19:46 chris_: sudo ./novacom Jul 06 04:19:48 yeah Jul 06 04:20:03 How do you save your changes to a file with vi? Jul 06 04:20:10 :x Jul 06 04:20:22 I know im stupid >.> Jul 06 04:20:31 lol no Jul 06 04:20:32 : Jul 06 04:20:33 x Jul 06 04:21:04 esc, then Jul 06 04:21:06 :x Jul 06 04:22:48 destinal, kindof weird I'm getting command not found thats also trying novacom.c and .h Jul 06 04:23:00 ESC doesn't work Jul 06 04:24:15 SUCCESS! Jul 06 04:24:25 Thanx for all your help summatusmentis Jul 06 04:24:40 HebrewzHammer: of course Jul 06 04:26:54 destinal, might be my fault forgot to check if its executeable Jul 06 04:27:07 don't try to execute .c's and .h's Jul 06 04:27:23 cd ..; find . -name novacom Jul 06 04:27:29 do that ^ Jul 06 04:27:52 chris_: did you build it? Jul 06 04:28:19 with "make" yes Jul 06 04:28:29 ok Jul 06 04:28:33 just making sure :-P Jul 06 04:28:35 chris_: cd .. (gets you one dir above src) Jul 06 04:28:51 A2NY_, ESC doesn't work lol Jul 06 04:28:55 chris_: then find -name novacom Jul 06 04:29:16 try that Jul 06 04:29:46 that should tell you if you have a compiled program Jul 06 04:29:55 yes thanks, now got a error "novacom not found - are you sure your pre is plugged in?" Jul 06 04:30:25 you have to run sudo ./novacom and also you should make sure your pre is in dev mode Jul 06 04:31:10 yes, but it should not be mounted correct? Jul 06 04:31:18 correct, just charge Jul 06 04:31:47 disconnect and reconnect and hit "just charge" if you have to or whatever Jul 06 04:35:04 reconnected it and checked dmesg to see if it saw it, it does. Is this error a common hardware or software error Jul 06 04:37:15 hey, that's cool. initctl stop LunaSysMgr; pkill -9 LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr puts all of luna's stdout and stderr on your terminal -- good for troubleshooting Jul 06 04:39:34 woh, I'm good but not that good. lol LunaSysMgr? Jul 06 04:39:46 Destinal: How is the plugin work going? Jul 06 04:39:58 chris:_ LunaSysMgr is the GUI Jul 06 04:40:13 Lurking_Grue: I'm segfaulting luna :( Jul 06 04:40:16 working on it Jul 06 04:40:32 Yaaaaay! :) Jul 06 04:40:51 still at the point where we have plugins loading, we receive events (yay) but no drawing (awww) Jul 06 04:41:03 Good luck there. Jul 06 04:41:56 Lurking_Grue: yeah. it doesn't help that I haven't been able to get one windowed plugin to compile and run under linux / ubuntu properly to even trace what I should be seeing in a normal browser Jul 06 04:42:07 there are mozilla examples but I must be doing something wrong Jul 06 04:43:12 the ones that work fine are either windowless (can't run in webos browser embedded in a scene, seems they have to be windowed) -- or they're too complex and require a dozen libraries Jul 06 04:43:36 I just want a simple windowed plugin like npsimple.cpp but I can't get it to build properly even in ubuntu Jul 06 04:43:57 anyone know how to handle Mojo.Service.Requests ? Jul 06 04:44:52 when it comes to remounting the filesystem, what is the best way? b/c i've seen a few different commands that suppsoedly all do the same thing Jul 06 04:45:11 i use--- mount -o remount ro / Jul 06 04:45:28 I have a non working questionable app that i need help building Jul 06 04:45:51 and i need to know how mojo service requests work :( Jul 06 04:45:58 A2NY_: answering service requests, have you looked at commander? Jul 06 04:46:11 and its java service? Jul 06 04:46:37 noooo Jul 06 04:46:40 A2NY_: what about remounting for read/write? Jul 06 04:46:57 HebrewzHammer, same thing mount -o remount rw / Jul 06 04:47:06 A2NY_: srry, i meant write Jul 06 04:47:08 rw & ro difference Jul 06 04:47:19 a2: K, THANX. JSUT DOUBLE CHECKING Jul 06 04:47:27 woops, caps key Jul 06 04:47:31 destinal, controller? Jul 06 04:47:33 ooh, that's interesting. running my plugin generates this in luna at the moment Jul 06 04:47:35 ** (LunaSysMgr:1403): WARNING **: bool WindowedWebApp::showWindowTimeout(): timed out in waiting for stageReady: file:///usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.hellosimple/index.html Jul 06 04:47:37 CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Jul 06 04:47:44 :-P Jul 06 04:47:50 so can anyone help Jul 06 04:47:55 destinal, would the error be from libusb-dev? I checked synaptic and it saids its there any suggestions? Jul 06 04:47:58 even with cruise control you still need someone driving Jul 06 04:48:15 chris_: if you didn't have that it wouldn't build Jul 06 04:48:24 cool Jul 06 04:48:38 A2NY_: commander not controller Jul 06 04:48:45 it's in the git repo Jul 06 04:49:23 can anyone look over my "adhoc" app? Jul 06 04:49:27 its that thing that lets you (distrubingly IMO) execute command lines from a mojo app Jul 06 04:49:28 i cant get it to work Jul 06 04:49:48 it makes service recalls to a custom java service (included) Jul 06 04:49:58 service _calls_ Jul 06 04:50:34 I figure it would be a good example Jul 06 04:57:55 is it under applications ? Jul 06 05:01:20 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.commander Jul 06 05:02:20 looks like the service component is org.webosinternals.services Jul 06 05:02:32 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.services Jul 06 05:02:39 I'd grab both Jul 06 05:03:27 i'm trying to apply a patch but i don't understand exactly how to do it. The link is --> http://predev.wikidot.com/show-allday-events-in-calendar-month-view . I've done patches before but I can't understand where or what i'm suppossed to edit for this patch. Can anyone help? Jul 06 05:03:55 HebrewzHammer, you must go thru the patch install section of the wiki Jul 06 05:04:23 when you get to the point of searching for current patches that should be there Jul 06 05:05:53 srry, i guess i'm not using the correct terminology. I'm trying to modify the calendar app, like in the link Jul 06 05:06:08 HebrewzHammer: you don't want to do it by hand Jul 06 05:06:22 only 5 patches show up though, is that normal? Jul 06 05:06:30 HebrewzHammer: there's a program called patch to do it for you and the wiki will walk you through getting it and installing it Jul 06 05:06:43 and installing individual patches Jul 06 05:07:08 it says to type "find /opt/src/modifications -name *.patch" to look thru all the patches but only 5 come up for me Jul 06 05:07:28 there aren't very many so far AFAIK Jul 06 05:12:16 when you right-click in putty, is there anyway to make it so it doesn't automatically send the command Jul 06 05:13:05 that's neat, in emulator holding down alt gives you "TRACKBALL MODE ON", releasing it, "TRACKBALL MODE OFF" on luna stdout (or is it stderr) Jul 06 05:14:20 destinal, wanted to say thank for all your help. I've tried to do some research on my own about why I'm getting - ERROR: Novacom not found - are you sure your pre is plugged in? Jul 06 05:14:20 ERROR: Unable to find or initialize Novacom - is your pre plugged in? Do you have any other suggestions? Jul 06 05:14:46 chris_: you're sure dev mode is on? Jul 06 05:15:13 ie you've done the konami code and turned it on and rebooted? Jul 06 05:15:50 yes, typed in the code and it says "your device is in developer mode. you may use Palm Mojo SDK tools to connect to the device Jul 06 05:16:00 odd Jul 06 05:16:15 I don't know, it works fine for me Jul 06 05:16:25 does running 1.0.4 make a difference? Jul 06 05:16:28 you tried disconnecting and reconnecting? Jul 06 05:16:39 and you're definitely in just charge mode? Jul 06 05:16:48 yes, also tried on 2 computers Jul 06 05:16:58 chris_: what OS? Jul 06 05:17:15 1.0.4 makes no difference, I've tried it with Jul 06 05:17:37 ubuntu 64bit, ubuntu 32 and VM of Vista and XP Jul 06 05:17:53 you cant connect with a linux box =\ Jul 06 05:18:12 A2NY_: yes he can, he's using our open source novacom client :) Jul 06 05:18:22 bzhou * r10428 optware/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): eggdrop: 1.6.17 -> 1.6.19, moved from /opt/eggdrop to /opt/share/eggdrop Jul 06 05:18:36 and ubuntu32 is not a vm? directly on the hardware? Jul 06 05:18:38 i know, im just saying it should of been easier ;) Jul 06 05:18:45 yes Jul 06 05:18:53 I have the exact same thing Jul 06 05:18:56 so uh Jul 06 05:20:11 I'd try turning off dev mode, rebooting, turning on dev mode, rebooting Jul 06 05:21:00 have a few times, would you suggest to keep trying with ubuntu or find a xp box not in VM. Jul 06 05:21:01 and if all else fails try the novaproxy python script in windows XP vm with the palm virtually connected to the XP "machine" Jul 06 05:21:10 oh you tried novaproxy too? Jul 06 05:21:50 didn't get to checkout webkit today Jul 06 05:22:10 yes installed python in the vm and downloaded novaproxy.py Jul 06 05:22:22 chris_: I've never seen anything like what you're describing Jul 06 05:22:52 I've never had any one of those methods fail, much less ALL Jul 06 05:23:10 could it be the phone? Jul 06 05:23:27 I hate to say it but you might try webdoctor and restore to factory Jul 06 05:23:56 that uses USB too so it might tell you something Jul 06 05:24:05 but maybe your novacomd is just in a bad state somehow Jul 06 05:24:20 again, conjecture, I've never seen anything like it Jul 06 05:24:43 is the webdoctor somewhat easy to do? Jul 06 05:24:49 very easy Jul 06 05:25:17 it'll wipe out anything on your phone and put it back to the first use startup where you have to enter in your palm profile Jul 06 05:26:01 if webos doctor dont work u know u have a usb issue too Jul 06 05:26:22 i can confirm that it wont work in x64 Jul 06 05:26:26 thats ok, I have all my contacts in gmail. the only other data is music. Jul 06 05:26:44 tmzt: if you do get a chance to build that npsimple.cpp sometime, let me know. I feel like if I could just get that working it wouldn't be very far from there. I've been modifying a windowless app to windowed but it's slower to do that Jul 06 05:27:20 if I could of transfer music then would it not be a usb issue or would that be different? Jul 06 05:27:42 chris_: webos doctor is closer to what you're trying than music and mass storage is Jul 06 05:27:56 it uses novacom Jul 06 05:28:04 that was kindof what I was thinking Jul 06 05:29:48 will this work with the ubuntu 64 or should I use 32 just to be safe? Jul 06 05:33:43 chris_: it requires windows Jul 06 05:33:57 good to know thanks Jul 06 05:45:33 wdup wdup.. Jul 06 05:49:13 since the SDK got leaked, is there any new way to install apps or patches? Or is it all still just rooting? Jul 06 05:49:37 what? Jul 06 05:51:00 is there a way to install homebrew apps without rooting, and without the email attachement trick which got killed in the new update? Jul 06 05:52:47 HebrewzHammer: you need dev mode to install apps and looks to be that way for forseeable future. the process may get much easier as tools evolve Jul 06 05:52:58 it wasn't a trick, it was "remote vulnerability" Jul 06 05:54:00 destinal: since you really don't need ssh, etc to install an app, it's just the way we walk you through it Jul 06 05:54:09 err HebrewzHammer Jul 06 05:54:13 can't type tonight Jul 06 05:54:22 lol Jul 06 05:54:24 and I'm talking to myself :) Jul 06 05:54:46 (tab completion strikes again) Jul 06 05:56:12 how would i install an app that is .ipk (made for the attachement method)? Jul 06 05:56:17 yes, i have a rooted pre Jul 06 05:56:51 HebrewzHammer: you can just copy it to the pre and "ipkg install whatever.ipk" Jul 06 05:57:20 destinal, just wondering is there an app that I can be able to ssh into a pc from my phone similar to putty for win mobile? Jul 06 05:58:09 chris_: there is but you have to kill Luna (the GUI for your phone) which temporarily makes it act like more of a inernet-connected linux box than a phone (you can't take calls, etc) Jul 06 05:58:22 chris_: I'm working on better ways right now Jul 06 05:59:00 I see... great I'll be lookin out for that Jul 06 05:59:29 eventually there will basically be a terminal app you install that runs like any other app Jul 06 05:59:45 but it requires that we get custom browser plugins working that can draw to the screen Jul 06 06:00:22 I've got all but the drawing part -- which turns out to be an important part indeed (lol) Jul 06 06:00:43 actually you could make calls Jul 06 06:00:46 maybe Jul 06 06:00:59 but we haven't really worked on that yet Jul 06 06:01:00 just a bit lol sounds goods Jul 06 06:01:49 tmzt: right, because it's really something that we shouldn't have to do much once we get things working right Jul 06 06:02:00 ie staying in luna is the right answer Jul 06 06:02:18 yeah Jul 06 06:02:29 but there are other options Jul 06 06:03:09 at the moment I'm writing debug handling for events, since at least that I understand how to do lol, I should upload my modified version of BasicPlugin Jul 06 06:03:51 in Classic there are hundreds of lines of javascript just to transmit events from mojo to the plugin Jul 06 06:04:10 hrm Jul 06 06:04:12 it doesn't do any without the mojo piece handling them in mojo and passing them along Jul 06 06:04:24 are you getting drawing events? Jul 06 06:04:29 drawing isn't an event Jul 06 06:04:44 I get setwindow and handleevent which means I can draw Jul 06 06:04:51 but I don't know which way to do so Jul 06 06:05:21 events are like, mouse clicks and keystrokes Jul 06 06:05:57 palm has added pen up/down and gestures Jul 06 06:07:07 .... Jul 06 06:07:10 destinal: where would be the best place to copy the .ipk? Jul 06 06:07:26 here's a sample log Jul 06 06:07:28 http://webos.pastebin.com/m7948c3b4 Jul 06 06:07:48 err that's an old one, one sec Jul 06 06:08:52 HebrewzHammer: I usually use /tmp Jul 06 06:09:02 HebrewzHammer: your home folder or somewhere under /media/internal or /tmp is fine Jul 06 06:09:11 thanx Jul 06 06:09:12 just as long as you know where you are sticking stuff Jul 06 06:09:56 i don't think /tmp survives reboots, so keep that in mind Jul 06 06:10:38 LOL Jul 06 06:10:42 tmzt: ok here's a new log of the function call lifecycle of the plugin Jul 06 06:10:42 http://webos.pastebin.com/m1e9f031c Jul 06 06:10:43 dont try to clone the phone app Jul 06 06:11:02 A2NY_: because they both get autostarted maybe? :) Jul 06 06:11:59 destinal, Just thought I'd share, I brushed the dust off an old XP laptop thought I try it one more time. and it worked. Guess it didn't like the VM's or the 64 bit ubuntu. Still don't know why it didn't work with the 32 bit Jul 06 06:12:00 tmzt: so as soon as I get NPP_SetWindow, I should be good to start drawing Jul 06 06:12:35 I'm going to put in more debug output to start so I know exactly what we're getting handed Jul 06 06:13:37 drawing is typically done in NPP_HandleEvent once you've got everything initialized from receiving the SetWindow call Jul 06 06:14:16 chris_: cool, congratulations. yeah that's odd on the VM's and ubuntu Jul 06 06:14:43 destinal, keeps looping lol Jul 06 06:14:44 but at least it was the workstations and not your phone Jul 06 06:15:30 A2NY_: yeah, I figured it would be a bad thing, I've seen stuff in the LunaSysMgr startup on stderr that indicates that certain apps are special and get started automatically Jul 06 06:15:37 I wouldn't want to clone any of them Jul 06 06:15:52 well Jul 06 06:16:01 i only cloned it to see if i can start up the MSL window Jul 06 06:16:13 MSL? Jul 06 06:17:04 destinal, yea, the think that made me try it was as soon as I plugged the phone in I noticed the info balloon pop up with novacom - didn't see that with the others Jul 06 06:17:18 service programming code for sprint Jul 06 06:17:39 interesting Jul 06 06:17:43 master subsidary lock Jul 06 06:17:46 cdma, not sprint Jul 06 06:18:35 yup Jul 06 06:19:37 ive tried calling the scene via luna-send Jul 06 06:19:41 but nothing works Jul 06 06:20:44 argh. where did the instructions for enabling developer as a button go? did someone remove it from the wiki? Jul 06 06:21:11 so when you're typing in ## codes, how does the phone app check if ##MSL# is the msl and call the scene? Jul 06 06:21:30 vi /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher/appinfo.json Jul 06 06:21:37 should be able to use that to pull the msl the same way... Jul 06 06:21:41 or brute force it Jul 06 06:21:42 "visible": true Jul 06 06:26:55 you get that jauderho ? Jul 06 06:32:15 was afk but thanks. Jul 06 06:32:38 was that taken off the wiki? Jul 06 06:33:15 thats how you do it Jul 06 06:33:37 i am not sure of the wiki instructions Jul 06 06:33:40 well yeah I did it on the old phone. just exchanged phones today and going through the sets again. Jul 06 06:40:26 okay. went into the wiki and updating things a bit Jul 06 06:48:55 destinal, Thanks again I can successfully ssh into my pre. Thats all for tonight you were a big help. Will I be able to find updates about the SSH from pre to pc on the website? Jul 06 06:54:08 hmm Jul 06 06:54:20 facebook profile pictures are stored in /var/luna/files/ Jul 06 07:03:30 rwhitby - yes, but shields up reports port 22 as closed instead of stealth, but only if I turn WiFi off and probe EVDO connection. A Pre that has not been rooted in any way shows stealth on all ports when probed by shields Up. Jul 06 07:04:15 I notice that port SSH is being listened to however, perhaps that tickles 22 in some way Jul 06 07:05:39 over evdo? Jul 06 07:05:44 is it possible that the IPtables are flushed and restarted when WiFi is turned off Jul 06 07:05:52 yes over EVDO Jul 06 07:06:23 my pre shows port 22 closed over EVDO and stealth over WiFi Jul 06 07:06:59 another non-rooted pre shows stealth on port 22 over EVDO Jul 06 07:09:34 evening Jul 06 07:09:39 hi Jul 06 07:10:16 is it posible to make the navigation app rotate ? Jul 06 07:10:16 perhaps someone else can probe their common ports at shields up and see if a non-WiFi, that is EVDO only connection shows port 22 closed instead of stealth Jul 06 07:11:39 possible? probably. has anyone done it? I dont know. Jul 06 07:12:18 db_ the last time I nmaped my pre (prior to rooting) I think it only showed 113 closed. Jul 06 07:13:01 how about after rooting? Jul 06 07:13:10 and only in EVDO mode> Jul 06 07:21:35 lol Jul 06 07:21:39 what the hell is this Jul 06 07:21:56 VALUES(1,'Good frequencies',16,17,'17102622453032400','string'); Jul 06 07:24:01 jauderho_, it is a rooted pre that I am worried about Jul 06 07:25:27 if you type this into the phone, 17102622453032400, and hit send, "Good frequencies" comes up Jul 06 07:27:50 db_ hold on Jul 06 07:27:58 let me finish what I am doing and I'll try Jul 06 07:28:55 that would be great, thanks Jul 06 07:29:57 But its just an aswering machine.... weird Jul 06 07:30:38 what nmap switches are you using so its apples to apples Jul 06 07:31:25 I'm running the standard dropbear upstart script Jul 06 07:32:04 I mean what switches are you passing to nmap? Jul 06 07:32:39 sorry, I haven't passed any switches directly Jul 06 07:33:56 I just rooted a pre, installed dropbear, turned off WiFi and EVDO'd into shileds up and scanned the standard ports Jul 06 07:34:25 shields up? Jul 06 07:34:40 it is an internet port scanner Jul 06 07:35:10 oh I use nmap Jul 06 07:35:12 https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 Jul 06 07:36:01 hmm Jul 06 07:36:04 this cant be right Jul 06 07:37:10 see http://webos.pastebin.com/d5e81ba51 Jul 06 07:37:24 its claiming all sorts of ports seen Jul 06 07:37:41 this is with developer mode off Jul 06 07:39:05 hmmm Jul 06 07:39:48 openssh Jul 06 07:39:52 i have 3 ports open Jul 06 07:39:58 53, 222, 4444 Jul 06 07:40:10 that is EVDO mode? Jul 06 07:40:14 yes Jul 06 07:40:25 but i do have wifi on Jul 06 07:40:39 let me turn it off to see if it changes Jul 06 07:41:51 yup Jul 06 07:41:53 same Jul 06 07:42:21 openssh Jul 06 07:42:26 okay Jul 06 07:42:34 scanning over wifi Jul 06 07:42:35 what are you using ? Jul 06 07:42:42 I get port 113 closed Jul 06 07:42:53 closed, not stealth Jul 06 07:42:54 and 222 ssh (identified as dropbear) Jul 06 07:43:11 usind shields up internet port scanner Jul 06 07:43:24 I am doing "sudo nmap -vv -n -A -PN 192.168.1.135" from a linux box Jul 06 07:43:41 ran the same. Jul 06 07:44:01 have you run a port scanner over the intenet? Jul 06 07:44:21 shields up scans your machine from it's site... Jul 06 07:44:55 oops. ignore my former. I think I had a typo in the IP =) rescanning Jul 06 07:45:02 lol Jul 06 07:45:08 meaning the EVDO one =) Jul 06 07:45:31 you know you can install nmap via ipkg-opt install nmap Jul 06 07:45:46 with shileds up, you just navigate to the site and choose your scan Jul 06 07:45:51 I know. I'm trying not to clutter up the pre with random packages. Jul 06 07:45:57 it tells you what it can see Jul 06 07:46:12 I'm getting a closed port on 22, but think it should be stealthed Jul 06 07:46:14 db_ I'm not really a gui kinda guy. nmap does what I need =) Jul 06 07:46:49 well you can fix the iptables statement. I cant remember the syntax and don't care enough =) Jul 06 07:47:10 scanning over EVDO is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow Jul 06 07:47:22 hell no! Jul 06 07:47:24 its quick Jul 06 07:48:01 SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 8.61% done; ETC: 00:50 (0:05:21 remaining) Jul 06 07:48:37 ohwell xD Jul 06 07:48:53 thanks anyway, appriviate your help Jul 06 07:48:58 appreciate Jul 06 07:49:47 i need to find where the msl is stored grrr Jul 06 07:50:07 whups. Jul 06 07:50:22 maythis whatismyip site is not telling me the right IP Jul 06 07:50:24 grr Jul 06 07:51:06 does shields up report the right ip? Jul 06 07:51:16 nope. it is right. Jul 06 07:51:35 shields up is just like whatismyip. but with more services Jul 06 07:52:08 okay Jul 06 07:52:17 this is what I get for scanning via EVDO Jul 06 07:52:20 all ports filtered Jul 06 07:52:37 note that I do not have ssh enabled over EVDO Jul 06 07:52:46 that's kinda stupid IMO Jul 06 07:53:28 neither do I Jul 06 07:53:48 and I do not have ssh on port 22 Jul 06 07:54:09 which is why it is weird that shields up reports that port as closed over EVDO Jul 06 07:59:06 copying top gear over to the pre to see how good it looks. Jul 06 07:59:19 Best show ever Jul 06 07:59:25 yes it is Jul 06 07:59:30 nooo Jul 06 07:59:38 penguins of madagascar Jul 06 07:59:38 I have almost all the years at this point =) Jul 06 07:59:42 Just watched 13x3....freaking hilarious Jul 06 07:59:53 dont tell me!!! Jul 06 08:00:06 I have all the episodes series 1-13 :) Jul 06 08:00:15 22 of 344mb (About 23 mins) Jul 06 08:00:19 this is junk Jul 06 08:00:20 hi Eguy Jul 06 08:00:28 Hey A2NY Jul 06 08:00:32 takes too freaking long to copy Jul 06 08:00:46 find the where the msl is located in the database for me :D Jul 06 08:00:52 well in A database Jul 06 08:01:24 well you know the MSL right? Jul 06 08:01:30 nope Jul 06 08:01:40 device info should tell you Jul 06 08:02:01 how? Jul 06 08:02:03 It doesn't tell you the MSL... Jul 06 08:02:12 i was going to say, lol Jul 06 08:02:34 Just go to a sprint store and force it out of them, that's what I did :P Jul 06 08:02:36 really? I thought it did. the sprint guy was pulling it off a page somewhere today. I wasnt really paying attention Jul 06 08:03:01 have you tried the different hash codes? Jul 06 08:03:20 Only Sprint can give you the MSL. Jul 06 08:03:26 Unless you hack it. Jul 06 08:03:33 thats what i am looking to do :D Jul 06 08:03:42 why do you need it? Jul 06 08:03:47 i dont Jul 06 08:03:50 You need that generator thing for PPC Jul 06 08:04:20 did i need a pre? no. did i want one? yes! Jul 06 08:04:55 http://discussion.treocentral.com/palm-pre/188038-palm-pre-usb-tethering-dun.html Jul 06 08:06:40 !help Jul 06 08:07:35 hello I could use some help Jul 06 08:07:54 Yeah? Jul 06 08:08:03 lol Jul 06 08:08:03 What do you need help with? Jul 06 08:08:11 im trying to root my pre Jul 06 08:08:18 novaproxy is not seeing it Jul 06 08:08:26 64 bit ? Jul 06 08:08:29 yes Jul 06 08:08:30 Konami Code? Jul 06 08:08:39 yes Jul 06 08:08:58 http://predev.wikidot.com/novacom-windows-7 Jul 06 08:08:59 it shows up as palm novacom on my device list Jul 06 08:10:12 Did you run the reg file? Jul 06 08:10:45 yes Jul 06 08:10:50 i have vista not 7 Jul 06 08:11:03 It is similar though Jul 06 08:11:21 What does novaproxy say? Cannot find your Pre? Jul 06 08:11:29 yeah but it shows up when i plug it in as palm novacom Jul 06 08:11:44 yes coulndt find Jul 06 08:12:28 I installed python 2.6.2 with default settings Jul 06 08:14:19 hmm Jul 06 08:14:39 You sure your pre is rooted? Jul 06 08:14:57 You sure dev mode is on? Jul 06 08:15:45 yes dev mod is on Jul 06 08:15:57 did the konami code turned it on rebooted Jul 06 08:16:14 rebooted? Jul 06 08:16:33 after i denambled dev mode the phone rebooted Jul 06 08:16:42 This has me stumped, never seen this problem before. Jul 06 08:17:07 ill try a dif usb port i guess Jul 06 08:17:55 oh, that's normal? Jul 06 08:17:58 ok Jul 06 08:18:23 wow that worked thanks for the help Jul 06 08:19:01 Bad usb port then? Jul 06 08:19:54 well it recognized it and i can copy files to the phone when i have it as a usb storage Jul 06 08:39:14 ? Jul 06 08:39:53 nick A2NY|home-sleep Jul 06 08:40:06 -/fail Jul 06 09:04:55 ... Jul 06 09:10:31 ... Jul 06 09:27:42 hi Jul 06 09:35:48 is there some way to take screenshots at the pre lock screen? Jul 06 09:41:35 same way thatyou would normally Jul 06 09:44:33 nope Jul 06 09:44:45 in order to push buttons, in order to bring out the keyboard that auto-unlocks the phone Jul 06 09:48:25 erm, looking at my chat logs (cuts off) did someone figure out how to retrieve the MSL/SPC without contacting sprint? Jul 06 10:27:22 wot Jul 06 10:52:19 just fixed the readme for the precomd stuff on gitorious - not sure why it wouldn't work for that guy in his ubuntu install though Jul 06 13:15:13 hrm Jul 06 13:30:55 wsup people Jul 06 13:48:08 * Templarian dislikes people that use IRC though phones they on connect for 10min. Jul 06 13:49:17 some people only connect for 10 minutes even without phones Jul 06 13:50:22 Surprised no one has written a push application... would be pretty useful. Jul 06 13:50:45 a push application for... iRC? Jul 06 13:50:47 IRC* Jul 06 13:51:48 Yea... wouldn't be hard to write with all the irc classes out there, just requires another server to keep the user logged in. Jul 06 13:52:22 I'm not sure I understand how push works in the context of chat programs Jul 06 13:52:28 (wouldn't be true push since it couldn't wake up the device, but would reload the log when the device was woken up) Jul 06 13:52:57 oh I see, instead of maintaining an active connection Jul 06 13:53:33 Yea true push would run down the battery for irc lol. Jul 06 13:54:39 port bitchx! Jul 06 13:54:52 people acutally use bitchx? Jul 06 13:54:54 (seriously only due to the name) Jul 06 13:55:10 makes me feel l33t Jul 06 13:55:17 psh Jul 06 13:55:25 :-D Jul 06 14:12:51 doh accidentally deleted my app from my device :( Jul 06 14:45:20 That Apps page is getting rather long on the wiki. Later on today, would it be OK for me to clean up / move some of them onto their own pages (such as the Camera app is already) ? Jul 06 14:58:17 freetim1: absolutely Jul 06 15:06:19 ok thanks. Jul 06 15:13:25 hellow my fuzzy friends Jul 06 15:14:21 dont you mean prezzy? (www.instantrimshot.com) Jul 06 15:14:31 A2NY_: ^ Jul 06 15:14:58 maybe ;) Jul 06 15:15:15 i hate the windows registry Jul 06 15:15:32 A2NY_: i dont think there is anyone who likes it Jul 06 15:15:53 true story Jul 06 15:16:08 even microsoft emplyees Jul 06 15:21:22 and windows as dhcp server sucks too Jul 06 15:21:31 my device cant even connect to the network Jul 06 15:22:10 * Templarian <3 developing for windows mobile... if only all developing this was easy. Jul 06 15:37:46 * Templarian is having fun at work messing with this 1600 dollar barcode scanner... fancy hand held tech. Jul 06 15:47:34 hey zodttd Jul 06 15:49:30 hey all, I have a potentially quick question. Anyone know the javascript for pulling GPS data, specifically current latitude, longitude, and heading? Jul 06 15:50:09 what up folks Jul 06 15:50:20 sgtkwol, I have it...hold Jul 06 15:50:37 I was writing an app this weekend to do just that and post it on my twitter account Jul 06 15:50:41 :-D Jul 06 15:52:26 I'm doing a handheld GPS http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/190766-handheld-gps.html Jul 06 15:53:02 I have an interface I'm happy with, but it's not functional yet, and it will need a lot of cleaning up Jul 06 15:53:13 http://webos.pastebin.com/d11bb7c51 Jul 06 15:53:30 i need to set up an httpd server Jul 06 15:53:37 so i can just stick images on it from my phone Jul 06 15:53:43 sgtkwol, that code is a 1 time shot Jul 06 15:53:48 to get the gps at that moment Jul 06 15:54:04 there is also an api for getting continuous updates from the gps as it moves Jul 06 15:54:23 can heading be used as event.heading in the same way? Jul 06 15:55:21 startTracking Jul 06 15:55:25 Object.toJSON(event) Jul 06 15:55:30 you'll see all the members Jul 06 15:55:39 lots of them in there Jul 06 15:56:05 so last week palm host would let me "open" an object if i did console.log(object) Jul 06 15:56:17 but not i just get something like [Object object] printed to the log Jul 06 15:56:34 thanks, I will see what I can do with this Jul 06 15:56:44 I Can't do palm host (running linux here) Jul 06 15:56:54 palm really needs to upgrade their Eclipse integration IMO Jul 06 15:57:03 palm host is osx right? Jul 06 15:57:10 only Jul 06 15:59:14 osx and windog Jul 06 15:59:18 afaik Jul 06 16:00:21 hrmm wonder why it doesnt appear to be installed on my windows machine Jul 06 16:01:18 I can't believe people still think linux is all command line, I have an easier interface SSHing into my pre than I do on a windows machine Jul 06 16:01:58 uh? Jul 06 16:02:10 I don't know understand the steps to install the Remote NDIS USB Driver (for USBnet) - http://www.davehylands.com/linux/gumstix/usbnet/ - can someone walk me through this? - thx Jul 06 16:02:26 I just open a folder, it connects, I can click and drag Jul 06 16:02:30 one of my touchstones sucks :( Jul 06 16:02:36 no clients Jul 06 16:02:51 bclancy, where are you at ? Jul 06 16:02:52 sgtkwol, agreed Jul 06 16:03:02 Boston, MA Jul 06 16:03:16 bclancy: nice day, we should get lunch Jul 06 16:03:44 what step Jul 06 16:03:55 where in them do you need help Jul 06 16:03:56 ui creation is soo funky :( Jul 06 16:04:25 I'm at the top of the page - more details in a sed ... Jul 06 16:06:01 1st paragraph says I need "linux.inf" but it also says "The drivers are included with Windows XP" . I don't know how to check or install drivers unless a program prompts me to do something Jul 06 16:06:33 http://predev.wikidot.com/usbnet-setup Jul 06 16:06:36 have you seen this ? Jul 06 16:06:44 everything is there... Jul 06 16:06:48 nebula1 - I'm in West Roxbury, MA (between jobs right now) Jul 06 16:07:07 bclancy: ah, not too close to cambridge for lunch :) Jul 06 16:07:14 A2NY_: Yes, it told me to go to the next page Jul 06 16:07:43 i think it might be this cable :( Jul 06 16:08:18 bclancy: you're closer to my last job in Canton Jul 06 16:09:30 so you are looking to bridge your connection ? Jul 06 16:10:06 i find no reason to follow those steps Jul 06 16:11:18 A2NY_: Step 3 of the [http://predev.wikidot.com/usbnet-setup] page said: Follow detailed instructions (screenshots and all) [here http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Windows_XP_usbnet] if you are unfamiliar with installing drivers: Windows XP USBnet install - At the bottom of the [http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Windows_XP_usbnet] page, it told me "Follow the remaining steps... Jul 06 16:11:20 ...documented over [here http://www.davehylands.com/linux/gumstix/usbnet/]: Jul 06 16:12:30 bclancy, what goal do you have using usbnet ? Jul 06 16:12:32 A2NY_: Maybe I didn't need to go down all these pages (TMI messed me up)? Jul 06 16:13:53 I'd like to connect with the USB cable instead of wifi (so I can ssh to my Pre when I'm not near my wifi router) Jul 06 16:14:26 you enable usbnet ? Jul 06 16:15:04 I did that a few days ago (and gave up after things didn't seem to be working) Jul 06 16:15:09 ok Jul 06 16:15:16 I think the change is persistent, right? Jul 06 16:15:22 yes Jul 06 16:15:29 did you add the dhcp lines ? Jul 06 16:15:31 is there a command to show the status (to be sure) Jul 06 16:15:35 yes Jul 06 16:16:09 does wifi need to be off? Jul 06 16:16:14 nope Jul 06 16:16:36 once usbnet is enabled a new device should be looking for a driver Jul 06 16:16:41 win xp ? Jul 06 16:17:38 give me a sec, I'm reconnecting the usb cable now Jul 06 16:19:39 He.llo all Jul 06 16:21:01 A2NY_: pre accidentally connected as a USB drive, I just ejected it Jul 06 16:22:00 A2NY_: should I remove the cable and plug it in again to proceed? Jul 06 16:22:15 are you still connected to it via wifi ? Jul 06 16:22:19 you can do... Jul 06 16:23:01 still connected via wifi (and I have an ssh session open before connecting USB that is still open) Jul 06 16:23:17 ok cool Jul 06 16:24:12 waiting for next instruction Jul 06 16:24:14 this will turn off disk mode /usr/lib/storaged/diskmode.sh off Jul 06 16:24:37 use just charge Jul 06 16:25:55 A2NY_: addid the command as a shell function in my ~/.bashrc and ran it - thx for that info Jul 06 16:26:10 anyone play with filter list at all? Jul 06 16:27:58 A2NY_: "netstat -rn" is showing the following: 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jul 06 16:28:39 run Jul 06 16:28:51 ifconfig usb0 Jul 06 16:29:20 i feel like noone is doing real dev for webos :( Jul 06 16:29:34 A2NY_: inet addr:192.168.0.202 Jul 06 16:29:42 ok Jul 06 16:29:50 winxp ? Jul 06 16:30:00 A2NY_: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST Jul 06 16:30:46 A2NY_: yes, so it looks like I'm up and running (aside from lowering the metric) - let me see if I can ssh into 192.168.0.202 Jul 06 16:32:36 A2NY_: ping from my XP box says est unreachable, so DHCP does not seem to be working Jul 06 16:32:49 you should have a new connection Jul 06 16:32:54 check hardware manager Jul 06 16:32:55 A2NY_: ssh did not work either Jul 06 16:33:05 i have issues everynow and then with the driver installing Jul 06 16:33:06 A2NY_: OK Jul 06 16:33:26 you might get disc, as it will try to route data over Jul 06 16:34:28 gumstx.usbnet - Network Bridge - Connected, Bridged Jul 06 16:34:59 you already bridged them? Jul 06 16:35:00 A2NY_: didn't understand your last statement Jul 06 16:35:06 i have mine unbridged Jul 06 16:35:38 A2NY_: I may have tried something that didn't work Jul 06 16:35:51 A2NY_: I'll try to undo that Jul 06 16:36:20 so it's not possible to use gstreamer to take pictures/movies from the shell on the Pre Jul 06 16:36:35 got a note back from the engineers at Palm Jul 06 16:36:47 hemna, they love you Jul 06 16:36:49 ;) Jul 06 16:36:51 so I'll have to go back to writing my own C app to take pictures from /dev/video manually Jul 06 16:37:06 palm won't be adding video anytime soon ? Jul 06 16:37:17 no idea about that Jul 06 16:37:38 just the current gstreamer plugin chain doesn't support it Jul 06 16:37:58 camd must do something special to get picts from gstreamer Jul 06 16:38:26 which is probably the case since camd needs to interface with Luna to drive the display Jul 06 16:38:41 I can't imagine this could be that hard Jul 06 16:38:52 I was pretty close to getting a picture correctly from /dev/video0 Jul 06 16:39:01 A2NY_: balloon said: gumstx.usbnet - this connection as little or no connectivity Jul 06 16:39:23 A2NY_: so I think it wants the NDIS remote thing Jul 06 16:39:29 strace on camd was helpful. it at least had the ioctl params to /dev/video0 so I can try tweaking my own C app to use those params Jul 06 16:40:06 A2NY_: This is where I failed before (foolishly trying the bridging thing) Jul 06 16:40:39 did you check device manager Jul 06 16:41:06 check network connections, you should see the device installs Jul 06 16:41:09 A2NY_: not too familiar with how to do such things on windows Jul 06 16:42:07 windows+pause break Jul 06 16:42:12 hardware Jul 06 16:42:16 device manager Jul 06 16:42:23 OK Jul 06 16:42:36 network adapters Jul 06 16:43:21 A2NY_: it's showing green and says it's working properly Jul 06 16:44:31 A2NY_: bottom select box (Device usage) says "Use this device (enable)" Jul 06 16:44:40 I guess I should click that just to be sure Jul 06 16:45:17 yes Jul 06 16:45:19 enable Jul 06 16:45:53 A2NY_: didn't make a difference Jul 06 16:46:26 A2NY_: My laptop is on wifi too Jul 06 16:46:45 I think it's trying to route my request for the pre over the wifi instead Jul 06 16:46:53 no Jul 06 16:47:01 you are trying to connect to 192.168.0.202 right ? Jul 06 16:47:08 yes Jul 06 16:47:36 wait Jul 06 16:47:41 what was the name of the device ? Jul 06 16:48:42 A2NY_: netstat -rn (cygwin) on my laptop shows: Jul 06 16:48:44 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.69 192.168.1.69 10 Jul 06 16:48:46 192.168.1.69 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 10 Jul 06 16:48:47 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.69 192.168.1.69 10 Jul 06 16:49:44 anyone see anything like an auto completion text box? Jul 06 16:49:46 A2NY_: Linux USB Ethernet/NDIS Gadget Jul 06 16:49:56 like as you type, suggestions are shown? Jul 06 16:50:27 did you use this driver ? Jul 06 16:50:27 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/usbnet-pre/blobs/raw/master/windows/usbnet-pre.inf Jul 06 16:51:11 you should have a new network connection as well Jul 06 16:51:17 change the IP to static Jul 06 16:51:36 192.168.0.203, 255.255.255.0, 192.168.0.202, 192.168.0.202 Jul 06 16:53:50 I believe I used the driver from that URL (I clicked the link to the 32 bit driver), I think I saved it in vi in cygwin, so maybe the line endings are wrong. I guess I can cut and paste it into notepad and save it again, and then reinstall the driver? Jul 06 16:54:34 yes Jul 06 16:54:45 i would try that Jul 06 16:55:35 A2NY_: Just curious about your "change the IP to static" comment - are you saying I could do a "route add" command? (I will try fixing the line endiings first Jul 06 16:56:11 static IP for the windows connection Jul 06 16:56:17 you would assign in windows Jul 06 16:56:26 A2NY_: should I delete and reinstall, or just "update driver" Jul 06 16:56:39 delete Jul 06 16:56:43 uninstall the device Jul 06 16:56:50 and reinstall with new driver Jul 06 16:57:07 A2NY_: so actually, I probably just need to add the static IP in windows Jul 06 16:58:04 A2NY_: I'd like to try adding the static IP first to see if that works - If so, then the line endings thing will be a red-herring Jul 06 16:58:38 yes see if static works first Jul 06 16:58:48 and then try dhcp Jul 06 17:00:02 Howdy folks Jul 06 17:00:10 A2NY_: The network Address in the "Advanced" tab says 102.168.0.0 before any changes, Do I change it to 192.168.0.202 or 192.168.0.203? Jul 06 17:01:47 x.x.x.203 Jul 06 17:09:15 bclancy, also in your ssh config you enabled all connections correct ? Jul 06 17:14:14 it woudln't let me enter all the digits (ie I could enter "192.168.0.20" or "92.168.0.203" but not the whole thing. I also tried entering "x.x.x.203" exactly as you typed it. Maybe it wants 192.168.0.0 Jul 06 17:14:38 it needs to be 192.168.0.203 Jul 06 17:17:44 A2NY_: Am I supposed to be entering this in on the Advanced" tab of the Properties for the Linux USB Ethernet/NDIS Gadget? Jul 06 17:19:44 A2NY_: I guess maybe I'll try fixing the line endings and starting over Jul 06 17:20:12 A2NY_: unless you want me to wait and try something else first Jul 06 17:25:13 yes, thats it Jul 06 17:32:28 Hey Hey Jul 06 17:32:34 hi hi Jul 06 17:33:34 A2NY_: After deleting the driver, when I unplug and replug in the USB cable, no "add new hardware" box comes up Jul 06 17:33:41 yes Jul 06 17:34:02 follow this Jul 06 17:34:03 http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Windows_XP_usbnet Jul 06 17:38:34 A2NY_: It says "First of all, power up your gumstix with the serial console" but I don't understand that step. Before the add new hardware wizard appeared and I could proceed. Now, without the wizard, I don't know how to "kick this" into action. Jul 06 17:41:02 A2NY_: maybe usbnet needs to be reenabled after uninstalling the driver - I will try that Jul 06 17:46:34 A2NY_: rebooting the Pre was what was needed to kick the add new hardware wizard into action. Jul 06 17:47:49 A2NY_: on step 7 of http://docwiki.gumstix.org/index.php/Windows_XP_usbnet, it says to use "linux.inf". Should I be using "usbnet-pre.inf" here instead? Jul 06 17:47:57 yes Jul 06 17:48:01 thx Jul 06 17:48:02 that is what i am using Jul 06 17:48:14 lately i stopped using usb Jul 06 17:48:19 now i have a stone Jul 06 17:48:22 keep it on the stone Jul 06 17:48:46 and use keepalives for putty or winscp Jul 06 17:54:01 WIFI FTW! Jul 06 17:54:19 kinda Jul 06 17:55:31 what is he trying to do Jul 06 17:55:36 sounds like he is having a hard time Jul 06 17:56:25 enable usbnet Jul 06 17:56:34 i am going to see how fast evdo is Jul 06 17:56:44 piss off sprint and download some torrents to the pre :D Jul 06 18:04:31 lol Jul 06 18:05:47 PreGame: wsup my man Jul 06 18:10:04 A2NY_: after doing the install again, the device never showed up in network connections or the device manager - that surprised me Jul 06 18:10:47 I'd like to take a break, eat lunch, and maybe try again later - maybe rebooting my laptop will help? Jul 06 18:11:23 A2NY_: thanks for your help - Bob Jul 06 18:11:56 ok Jul 06 18:12:03 hope we get it working for you Jul 06 18:12:56 A2NY_: I just want to learn enough to maybe update the parts in the doc that trip me up. Jul 06 18:45:18 sup Jul 06 18:59:58 chilling chilling Jul 06 19:02:00 hi Jul 06 19:20:18 has anyone here that contributes to precentral.net or webos-internals agreed to the EUA? Jul 06 19:21:30 lol EUA Jul 06 19:21:31 lol Jul 06 19:21:59 have u Jul 06 19:22:00 ? Jul 06 19:22:07 I think it's best to avoid it, personally Jul 06 19:22:14 exactly Jul 06 19:23:01 me and NDA and EUA and all that stuff dont get along Jul 06 19:23:50 * nebula1 skipped the EUA Jul 06 19:24:01 oh my Jul 06 19:24:31 reading it would most likely cause me to return the device on part of my conscience Jul 06 19:24:38 lol Jul 06 19:24:54 i wanna get another one because this battery drainage is killingme Jul 06 19:26:00 wow, i hate working with people who have ZERO sense of humor Jul 06 19:26:19 friggin machines Jul 06 19:32:49 the EUA for PALM SDK Jul 06 19:33:22 I've read it and have not yet been comfortable enough to agree. Jul 06 19:33:27 ME TOO! Jul 06 19:33:54 my main issue about not accepting it was that you can only distribute via app catalog Jul 06 19:34:17 I dislike the reverse engineering clauses. Jul 06 19:34:25 yea that too Jul 06 19:34:34 thats why i prefer the leaked version :) Jul 06 19:34:39 Seeing as I've already been examining binaries that came with the phone and I have no intention of stopping. Jul 06 19:35:32 I don't like the idea of using the leaked copy either, but I'm weighing my options. Jul 06 19:35:48 why not? Jul 06 19:35:58 I'll figure it out once I have some time to throw at actually writing an app. Jul 06 19:36:51 Other nebulous legal concerns. Jul 06 19:37:08 nebulous in that I haven't had time to think about it. Jul 06 19:41:07 asedeno_work: You won't have to worry about it for too long. I will have a communication program ready in a couple of weeks Jul 06 19:41:24 asedeno_work: and an auto rooter that anyone who can get the nova drivers installed can use Jul 06 20:05:34 sup folks Jul 06 20:08:06 bleh Jul 06 20:15:40 anyone here? Jul 06 20:16:07 nobody but us chickens Jul 06 20:16:11 lol Jul 06 20:17:56 I've rooted my Pre and installed patches, setup SSH, and DDNS thru EVDO. Now i've downloaded the SDK so I can start learning how to write my on patches and apps, but i'm not exactly sure what to do now. I thought the SDK came with a demo program but I cannot find it and I do not know how to install it on the emulator. Can anyone help? Jul 06 20:19:49 not sure you can talk about it in here Jul 06 20:20:08 oh, Palm not happy about the leak? Jul 06 20:27:38 ping Jul 06 20:27:45 RST Jul 06 20:27:53 im kinda interested in ajaxphpterm, does php-thttpd support .htaccess ? Jul 06 20:31:23 cphelps: worry about what? Jul 06 20:37:32 is there any sort of a list of the palm://com.palm.soemthing calls anywhere? Jul 06 20:42:56 hi i have a question.. Jul 06 20:43:21 no guarantees but ask away Jul 06 20:43:25 how do i edit files after i have rooted my pre? Jul 06 20:43:32 vi Jul 06 20:43:34 any linux experiance? Jul 06 20:43:41 HebrewzHammer -- that's just mean. Jul 06 20:43:42 yeah but gedit, nano dont work Jul 06 20:43:47 right Jul 06 20:43:53 the built-in standard Linux text editor Jul 06 20:43:55 ipkg-opt install nano Jul 06 20:44:05 it doesnt come with one built in? Jul 06 20:44:07 lol Jul 06 20:44:19 vi is the built in editor Jul 06 20:44:24 HebrewzHammer and it's just MEAN. It's hard to use, and was designed by hackers at 2 AM on a coffee buzzz. Jul 06 20:44:38 good to learn thought Jul 06 20:44:40 tough* Jul 06 20:44:42 Nano isn't installed on the pre by default, but you can get it by typing 3 words Jul 06 20:44:45 though* I CANT SPELL Jul 06 20:44:56 then how the hell do you use VI? Jul 06 20:44:57 if you want to use vi go here --> http://predev.wikidot.com/basic-linux-use Jul 06 20:45:16 it is good to learn, although there are easier alternaives Jul 06 20:45:24 and if you want to use joe or nano, ipkg-opt install nano or ipkg-opt install joe Jul 06 20:45:28 ahh sweet, installed nano, works like a charm :) Jul 06 20:45:37 welcome Jul 06 20:45:44 :( vi gets mistreated Jul 06 20:45:46 lol Jul 06 20:46:04 vi DESERVES to get mistreated. Modal editors suck. Jul 06 20:46:10 lol Jul 06 20:46:20 how do you skip to a line? Jul 06 20:46:25 Modal editors are so 1970's. Jul 06 20:46:44 so is linux :) Jul 06 20:47:14 i find it easier to use vi than nano Jul 06 20:47:26 how do you skip to a line? Jul 06 20:47:29 Good luck Hemna !! Jul 06 20:47:50 tbird02: you using nano? Jul 06 20:47:54 yes Jul 06 20:48:26 ^G for help Jul 06 20:48:40 ^_ move to a specific line Jul 06 20:48:48 ^_^V move to top Jul 06 20:48:56 ^_^Y move to end Jul 06 20:49:05 ^C - show current line number Jul 06 20:49:12 thanks! Jul 06 20:50:38 by the way, in my opinion the thing to do is Jul 06 20:51:02 nano -c filename -- which turns on "constant cursor position display." Jul 06 20:51:07 I also like -i -- autoindent Jul 06 20:51:22 how about nano -c -i ?! Jul 06 20:51:24 lol Jul 06 20:51:47 duh Jul 06 20:51:59 you're in a laughing mood today sir. Jul 06 20:52:29 yup, b/c i only rooted my Pre and started learning everything yesteday and I haven't stoppped since! Jul 06 20:53:14 I didn't root my Pre until now b/c I thought it voided warranty but then I learned it doesn't (hopefully that's true), and now i'm loving it! Jul 06 20:53:51 this is why i'm studying to become a Computer Engineer, if only I didn't have to take an insane amount og math courses Jul 06 20:53:52 what all have you done since rooting it? Jul 06 20:54:20 spu scaling, apply patches, setup DDNS thru EVDO, install hombrew, etc. Jul 06 20:54:32 now i'm learning to write my own apps and patches Jul 06 20:54:39 cpu scaling* Jul 06 20:55:12 what does applying patches do Jul 06 20:55:50 the cpu scaling works amazing! MY Pre runs much faster, hasn't gotten hot at all, and its battery life has increased. I also haven't experienced any lockups that some ppl have posted about Jul 06 20:57:47 applying patches is just mods to the existing apps on the Pre, but they are packaged and there is another app (quilt) that manages them. It is also good b/c when you update your Pre through Spring (i.e., the 1.04 update) the update may undo the mods, so quilt will just reapply all them afterwards instead of having to do them over again one by one Jul 06 20:58:32 oh, i also checked out my test image from the factory, it was just a blurry image of a table though :( . Nothing cool like a picture of the testers or something. Jul 06 20:58:39 Hewbrewz - what freq did you use - did you try 125 Jul 06 21:00:15 Or did you just stick with 250 MHz Jul 06 21:00:17 I used the defaults that the guy who found the tweak uses. max freq is 600Mhz, enabled scaling_governor, and set up_threshold to 30 Jul 06 21:01:26 the scaling_governor switches the freq depending on usage. So when using the Pre (web browsing, video, etc.) it bumps up the freq to make it faster, and when you aren't using it it drops the freq to save battery life Jul 06 21:01:57 My reulst has been a much faster Pre, and better battery life; but YMMV. Jul 06 21:02:25 right ok. Glad you mentioned that here I'll add to my toTry list Jul 06 21:02:38 ditto Jul 06 21:03:02 here's the wiki I followed --> http://predev.wikidot.com/processor Jul 06 21:03:48 wow. My factory pic has the picture of a box on the floor. Apparently taken 6/3 2009 which was just a week before I received it Jul 06 21:04:12 oh, and don't use SmartReflex (some other method someone else found), it has been known to not work and you have to use WebOS Doctor to reset your Pre Jul 06 21:04:20 lol Jul 06 21:04:32 I found my Pre was made on May 10th Jul 06 21:05:13 I haven't had to get a new one and I haven't had any problems with it Jul 06 21:05:26 are the factory pics wiped if you run doctor? Jul 06 21:05:50 hmmmm, interesting question. I'd assume not, but I really don't know. Jul 06 21:06:44 destinal: Yes Jul 06 21:06:45 well, actually now that I think about it, it probably does b/c that was just a diagnostic image which you can run yourself. Jul 06 21:06:59 shame Jul 06 21:07:08 yea Jul 06 21:07:16 hi Jul 06 21:07:19 yo Jul 06 21:07:27 Ok i got a new challege Jul 06 21:08:07 atlanta, whats on your mind Jul 06 21:08:20 Getting the phone to work in media sync and usb drive modes Jul 06 21:08:24 its doable Jul 06 21:08:29 lol Jul 06 21:08:29 simultaneously? Jul 06 21:08:38 it is Jul 06 21:08:41 i have done it Jul 06 21:08:46 the problem is that usb drive mode unmounts /media/internal Jul 06 21:08:56 yup, so you cant access it Jul 06 21:09:07 and media sync mode needs it, I imagine Jul 06 21:09:14 yup Jul 06 21:09:29 grrr Jul 06 21:09:30 ok Jul 06 21:09:33 ill just use http://sprint.zipwhip.com/ Jul 06 21:09:34 so can you remount it? Jul 06 21:09:35 for texting Jul 06 21:09:39 anybody ever seen that Jul 06 21:09:48 howdy gang Jul 06 21:09:49 so if someone has made a mod to an app but hasn't registered it with gitorious.org so it can be installed and maintained with quilt (which most of them haven't), can anyone do it? Or only the creator of the mod. Jul 06 21:10:06 well anyone can Jul 06 21:10:09 but i woujld Jul 06 21:10:13 make sure it ok Jul 06 21:10:14 you can't have both at once, but you could make a second partition to use for usb drive mode but it wouldn't have the same media Jul 06 21:10:15 with the creator Jul 06 21:10:26 ok Jul 06 21:10:29 check out http://sprint.zipwhip.com/ Jul 06 21:10:30 so then you could do one partition with drive and another media Jul 06 21:10:58 atlanta: interesting Jul 06 21:11:07 yup yup Jul 06 21:11:09 works lovely Jul 06 21:11:11 oooooo. repartitioning my pre. :-/ uhhh..... outside rick's comfort zone Jul 06 21:11:13 and you can recieve text Jul 06 21:11:18 atlanta: thats amazing. You could do groups txting with that, right? Jul 06 21:11:24 yea Jul 06 21:11:27 all from the web Jul 06 21:11:32 groups texting is availble out of the box. Jul 06 21:11:34 on the pre Jul 06 21:11:38 never seen it mentioned and funny how i found it Jul 06 21:11:42 no rboatright Jul 06 21:11:44 this is Jul 06 21:11:47 for the web Jul 06 21:11:49 HebrewzHammer: did you adjust the up_threshold? Jul 06 21:11:57 when your pre is in usb mode or media sync Jul 06 21:12:02 oh Jul 06 21:12:06 rboatright: you could rather than repartition, make disk images probably Jul 06 21:12:16 like right now i have double twist converting a movie Jul 06 21:12:18 I haven't tried usb mass storage mode at a disk image though Jul 06 21:12:21 and my phone is in media sync Jul 06 21:12:27 don't know if it works Jul 06 21:12:29 sokay destinal It's not something I need. Jul 06 21:12:29 awesome, i've been looking for an easy way to do that for my orginization. Before you had to pay for a service, or get everyone's txt-email addres; which is a pain to look up and input for everyone's particular service providor Jul 06 21:12:54 czarphanguye: to 600Mhz Jul 06 21:13:24 HebrewzHammer: yea its really nice Jul 06 21:13:47 I'm so happy I left Veizon for Psrint and the PRe Jul 06 21:14:01 too bad i can't type Jul 06 21:14:10 lol Jul 06 21:14:20 yea i have a strong dislike for verizon Jul 06 21:14:29 since before when they had that damn software on everyphone Jul 06 21:14:32 with that red menu Jul 06 21:14:34 UGHHH Jul 06 21:15:00 the cripply all their phones with their custom firmware/software Jul 06 21:15:04 cripple* Jul 06 21:15:06 and everyone talking about how they hate sprint blah blah and i never had a problem with them Jul 06 21:16:27 I had an HTC phone with verizon before I switched and Sprint had the same one, but Verizon disabled the GPS and new EVDO rev. along with some other features which Sprint did not Jul 06 21:17:04 atlanta, if you are still looking to stop from killing the radio, grep msm & media for the files used Jul 06 21:17:41 A2NY_: what you mean Jul 06 21:17:41 ? Jul 06 21:17:54 oh in the different mods Jul 06 21:17:57 yes Jul 06 21:18:25 as well as your friend that can turn on/off modes with diskmode.sh Jul 06 21:18:34 awww no biggy Jul 06 21:18:49 have u used doubletwist Jul 06 21:18:51 it is pretty nice Jul 06 21:18:54 nope Jul 06 21:19:20 better than itunes IMO Jul 06 21:19:20 itunes work just fine on my iPREd Jul 06 21:19:25 lol Jul 06 21:19:43 dt does the conversions for you thats what i liek Jul 06 21:21:57 time to put some katt williams on the pre Jul 06 21:26:51 supposely new apps come out todayu Jul 06 21:27:33 sweet Jul 06 21:31:06 hmm Jul 06 21:31:12 is wifi disabled when going into media mode ? Jul 06 21:31:22 yurp Jul 06 21:31:39 but not mass storage Jul 06 21:32:03 I wonder why they don't enable the CPU scaling in some future update. It seems made for it and definately runs on slow CPU most of the idle time Jul 06 21:32:09 ill test it out in a min Jul 06 21:32:21 mine locked up 3 times in one night Jul 06 21:32:25 i gave up on it Jul 06 21:32:26 Does the CPU Scaling really help out Jul 06 21:32:27 ? Jul 06 21:32:49 Oh it did? - were you using 600k, ondemand and 30 ? Jul 06 21:33:07 I want to know what I'm in for... :) Jul 06 21:33:24 freetim: I have had amazing results with cpu scaling but it seems that some ppl haven't been so lucky, and have had their Pre lockup on them. Some speculate Palm is still working on it or that they just couldn't get it to work right Jul 06 21:33:56 my ssh2 (telnet) sesssion is always very slow to update. Jul 06 21:34:15 freetim, yes that is what i ran Jul 06 21:34:27 @ A2NY thanks Jul 06 21:34:37 freetim, is it quick on initial start ? Jul 06 21:34:45 I have it set to ondemad, 600Mhz, and 30; I haven't had one lockup and it doesn't run hot at all. I tis much faster when i'm using it and battery life has improved. But it seems like i'm lucky, so YMMV. Jul 06 21:35:09 Quick on initial connection and works OK on ssh2 for a minute or two and then it bogs Jul 06 21:35:18 putty ? Jul 06 21:35:33 yes putty Jul 06 21:36:16 ive had some luck enabling keepalives Jul 06 21:36:32 ok, I know how to do that... i'll go try (thanks) Jul 06 21:36:44 if it works then I'll update our putty page with that detail on wiki Jul 06 21:37:30 Pre definately runs cooler with the processor scaling enabled - even when using it actively Jul 06 21:37:45 freetim: really Jul 06 21:37:47 interesting Jul 06 21:37:52 im looking for a battery fixed Jul 06 21:38:30 i can say, at idle Jul 06 21:38:33 8hrs Jul 06 21:38:45 i can say 2 hrs usage Jul 06 21:38:46 using scaling i saved 3% battery life ;) Jul 06 21:38:47 DRAINED Jul 06 21:38:48 ! Jul 06 21:38:58 but wasnt worth the lock ups Jul 06 21:39:05 i walked in sprint store told him this aint gonna work out Jul 06 21:39:12 they gave me a extra battery Jul 06 21:39:23 nice Jul 06 21:39:24 brb restarting Jul 06 21:39:45 hahaha, http://predev.wikidot.com/downloading-from-the-browser there was a correction that changed response.mimeByExtenstion to response.mimeByExtension ... but... Jul 06 21:39:51 luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/getResourceInfo '{"uri":"http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/aolradio.podcast.aol.com/twit/TWiT0202H.mp3"}' Jul 06 21:40:15 returns: ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true, ...snip... "mimeByExtenstion": "audio\/mpa", "canStream": true } Jul 06 21:40:46 just because it's *spelled* correctly, doesn't mean it's correct. :) Jul 06 21:43:03 A2NY_: Wanna guess what my problem with the usbnet was? Jul 06 21:43:40 A2NY_: I noticed in /var/log/messages that it was not finding usb0 Jul 06 21:44:40 A2NY_: In /etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf,where I added the interface, I had typed "usb" and not "usb0". Jul 06 21:48:02 doh! Jul 06 21:48:11 good find bclancy Jul 06 21:49:28 does anyone use their "home" button Jul 06 21:50:30 All the time. Jul 06 21:51:52 I'm a little schizophrenic with use of the home button. I use it when I'm not already doing gestures Jul 06 21:52:22 nope, i never use that button Jul 06 21:52:29 it would be nice to remap it to the power button Jul 06 21:52:38 to me, it's just in the way of gesures Jul 06 21:52:42 gestures* Jul 06 21:53:10 HebrewzHammer, so i tried cpu scaling once again Jul 06 21:53:11 ... Jul 06 21:53:16 now i cant even boot LOL Jul 06 21:53:19 no luck? Jul 06 21:53:25 .....ouch Jul 06 21:53:56 do you know when your Pre was made (date of factory test image)? Jul 06 21:55:31 give me a second Jul 06 21:55:37 finally got into it, removed scaling Jul 06 21:55:45 it didnt even load up the phone app Jul 06 21:55:56 rssi, carrier text was missing =\ Jul 06 21:56:46 is the latest webos doctor 1.0.4, lol Jul 06 21:58:00 Hammer: The keepalive setting worked really well. I've tested it over the past 20mins. I've updated wiki /putty page Jul 06 21:58:52 well looks like i get to turn everything into a patch now =\ Jul 06 21:58:57 doctor here i come Jul 06 21:59:01 that make delays using puttys alot shorter? Jul 06 21:59:05 no more cpu scaling for me Jul 06 21:59:13 srry A2NY_ Jul 06 21:59:16 HebrewzHammer, it helps Jul 06 21:59:17 It got rid of the putTTY delays entirely Jul 06 21:59:49 weird Jul 06 21:59:52 I set it to 30 sec Jul 06 21:59:57 the phone doesnt like starting on the stone Jul 06 22:00:01 thats so wierd that it locks-up your Pre but mine is fine....there aren't any different hardware revs, right? Jul 06 22:00:16 freetim: awesome Jul 06 22:00:41 Techcrunch is at it again hating the Pre: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/06/maybe-the-palm-pre-isnt-selling-so-well-after-all/ Jul 06 22:00:55 ugh Jul 06 22:01:42 so has anyone gotten any reasonable results with CPU scaling to save battery life? Jul 06 22:02:23 psykoz: i don't have any stats but my battery lasts alot longer Jul 06 22:03:00 psykoz: as long as cpu scaling works on your Pre. It seems like it locks-up some Pres but not others. YMMV Jul 06 22:03:24 where is the test image stored, you know of the top of your head Jul 06 22:03:33 is there any information on what pre's allow cpu scaling and what don't, factory run, specific revision, when it was purchased etc? Jul 06 22:03:56 no, but we could collect some data on the wiki easily enough Jul 06 22:04:00 psykoz: cpu scaling is turned off by default Jul 06 22:05:09 root@castle:/# uname -a Jul 06 22:05:10 Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.15 armv7l unknown Jul 06 22:05:21 A2NY_: /var/log/hwtest/pics/ Jul 06 22:06:10 already doctored phone =\ Jul 06 22:06:19 does may 15 sound right Jul 06 22:06:21 dam Jul 06 22:06:23 i looked at it before Jul 06 22:06:32 yea, mine is May 10th Jul 06 22:07:24 hmm Jul 06 22:07:39 Bought it the day it came out: Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.15 armv7l unknown Jul 06 22:07:57 same here Jul 06 22:08:18 lol Jul 06 22:08:23 interesting Jul 06 22:08:33 you can see the slider system with the batt off Jul 06 22:08:43 ? Jul 06 22:08:52 the tracks Jul 06 22:09:20 never tried. I haven't taken the batt out since the day I put it in my Pre. Jul 06 22:10:28 A2NY_: latest webos doctor was 1.0.3 a couple of days ago when I checked Jul 06 22:11:10 hmm Jul 06 22:11:18 sounds like a 1.0.5 might be coming soon Jul 06 22:11:25 they dont want to update the image... Jul 06 22:11:39 ooooh, lets see what they "update" Jul 06 22:11:41 well 1.0.4 was a small patch Jul 06 22:12:05 yes indeed Jul 06 22:15:20 or it could mean they don't want to update the doctor there usually, but there was something special in 1.0.2 that they really wanted to stop distributing.. hmmm... Jul 06 22:15:40 conspiracy theory hour Jul 06 22:15:41 lol Jul 06 22:15:42 orly ? Jul 06 22:16:10 they were too late to stop it the second they made it public Jul 06 22:16:19 yeah, agreed, and I doubt that's it anywayh Jul 06 22:18:03 we should probably start maintaining checksums of the first megabyte of the jar or something as well so we can verify without downloading the whole thing Jul 06 22:18:26 its not so bad when i am at home Jul 06 22:18:28 but at work Jul 06 22:18:30 this is sooo slow Jul 06 22:19:20 hmm Jul 06 22:19:22 wow Jul 06 22:19:24 it might be cool to make a pre-rooter that worked kind of like iphone pwnagetool in that it modifies your image pre patch Jul 06 22:19:38 something is locking up my phone =\ Jul 06 22:19:48 ouch Jul 06 22:20:17 destinal, great idea Jul 06 22:20:40 err pre flash Jul 06 22:20:44 all you would need is openssh installed correct ? Jul 06 22:21:20 enable root logon Jul 06 22:21:33 well it should have checkboxes for different things, like various custom patches to apps and root login and dropbear and unhide dev mode Jul 06 22:21:58 lol i was just going for simple, so no dev mode, restart, nova, etc... Jul 06 22:22:20 well the first version could just do dropbear and root, yeah Jul 06 22:22:30 or that might be the most basic config Jul 06 22:22:59 dropbear doesnt like me Jul 06 22:23:32 ex-gf perse Jul 06 22:23:58 yeah still 1.0.3 doctor Jul 06 22:24:21 dropbear doesn't like you? Jul 06 22:24:32 I thought dropbear liked everyone Jul 06 22:25:07 psykoz: you think it's hardware? Jul 06 22:25:18 who has replaced their kernel anyway, only saw one report of that Jul 06 22:25:28 I'm not having any problems (?) dunno why that was directed at me Jul 06 22:25:51 tmzt: hello Jul 06 22:25:53 :) Jul 06 22:25:58 hello Jul 06 22:26:12 I can try to checkout svn webkit while I'm on the internet Jul 06 22:26:34 ok, I grabbed midori also Jul 06 22:26:57 midori, why are you drinking that ;) Jul 06 22:27:13 interestingly it will run the PDFAdapter.so (PDF plugin) at least to the point of logging initialize. :) Jul 06 22:27:43 can you wrap that plugin with something? Jul 06 22:27:48 I think we can do that Jul 06 22:28:10 yeah, I was planning on trying that in a bit, I need to learn a bit about dynamically linking in C Jul 06 22:28:15 it should be simple enough to dlopen it manually from out plugin Jul 06 22:28:23 dlopen and dlsym Jul 06 22:28:32 don't bother with preload or dynamic linking :) Jul 06 22:28:38 oh Jul 06 22:28:38 ok Jul 06 22:29:04 do we have to worry about collisions between the exported and imported func names? Jul 06 22:29:10 they will be the same Jul 06 22:29:34 I don't think so, not quite sure Jul 06 22:32:45 @A2NY if you're using dropbear you must enable keepalives... see wiki page for putty (/putty ) Jul 06 22:33:20 destinal, how is it going? Jul 06 22:33:33 http://predev.wikidot.com/putty for settings. Also - version http://predev.wikidot.com/version Jul 06 22:34:38 Sargun: hey Jul 06 22:35:21 Sargun: working on expanding test plugin to debug / decode event handling and some other stuff. re: drawing plugins I'm going to try wrapping one of the stock ones and spying on it Jul 06 22:35:41 freetim: just went over the changes you made on the wiki. Very nice, makes everything alot easier to read and enabling keepalive works great! Jul 06 22:35:47 has anyone heard anything regarding the missing PPixmap.h? Jul 06 22:35:49 how are you gunna wrap it Jul 06 22:35:54 I just installed ajaxphpterm...how difficult is it to make it use bash shell? Jul 06 22:36:11 seems defaulted to sh Jul 06 22:36:30 <--noob Jul 06 22:36:32 subhuman: type bash Jul 06 22:36:45 Sargun: plugins are just shared libraries. so I can make a plugin that loads in code from another library (the plugin we want to spy on) at runtime Jul 06 22:36:55 and pass through calls Jul 06 22:37:20 krushia: bash: not found Jul 06 22:37:22 err Jul 06 22:37:25 damned autocomplete Jul 06 22:37:33 wat Jul 06 22:37:34 sh : bash: not found Jul 06 22:37:37 mistype Jul 06 22:37:41 /path/to/bash Jul 06 22:37:59 we can do everything else _but_ draw, but a plugin with no display is about useless :) Jul 06 22:38:14 well mostlhy Jul 06 22:38:47 does free node have reg ? Jul 06 22:40:35 yup Jul 06 22:40:40 /msg nickserv help Jul 06 22:42:20 freetim: that new wiki page you created - why did you call it "version" ? Jul 06 22:44:19 anyone know how to use palm inspector? Jul 06 22:45:03 PreGame: I heard you have to palm-launch whatever -i and then palm-inspector (but you may have to run the second command from your safari directory) Jul 06 22:49:23 dedestinal: introspector still crashed on me Jul 06 22:49:37 doesn't want to work Jul 06 22:51:39 PreGame: did you ever release that mojo to commandline interface? Jul 06 22:51:42 * mdklein__ just got usbnet working on OS-X... currently it breaks novaterm, so working on getting a better solution... it involves replacing the g_composite driver since palm forces rndis mode in the driver which is why the OS-X CDC drivers are failing, will hopefully be able to clean it up and release it later tonight, or tomorrow Jul 06 22:52:27 @rwhitby: I don't know... seemed to fit 'version' but feel free to rename better Jul 06 22:52:54 perhaps 'factorydate' or something would be more approp. Jul 06 22:53:16 helfire: you mean commander? Jul 06 22:53:29 its on gitorious.org Jul 06 22:53:38 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals Jul 06 22:53:50 thanks Jul 06 22:54:00 http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html Jul 06 22:54:30 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/org.webosinternals.commander Jul 06 22:57:39 in a "standard app" is main-assistant.js the next thing that is ran after index.html? Jul 06 22:58:14 index is the main app Jul 06 22:59:13 PreGame: is org.webosinternals.services reqiured for running commands? Jul 06 22:59:17 but what is ran after that? (I am trying to learn how to write apps by dissecting the "demo" app that came with the sdk) Jul 06 23:00:46 yes Jul 06 23:01:06 webos services is a slim down versions of prelease Jul 06 23:01:42 prelease? Jul 06 23:03:16 tmzt: yeah I was using midori, it runs circles around my firefox Jul 06 23:04:03 tmzt: but mainly trying to test plugin event stuff in it before moving to testing code directly on the pre Jul 06 23:06:54 Wow. QA needs to work on their stuff. Jul 06 23:08:42 I haven't even had this Pre for a week and I had to do the MacGuyver battery mod and at some point during the day the contacts to the touchstone cover broke. Jul 06 23:10:41 ouch Jul 06 23:10:42 Sloloem :( Jul 06 23:11:07 anyone find out what happens when you have the pre on the stone while plugged into usb xD Jul 06 23:13:43 A2NY|pre, total protonic reversal. Jul 06 23:13:54 sweet Jul 06 23:13:57 lets try it Jul 06 23:14:23 we are both lucky the usb cable isnt long enough Jul 06 23:16:10 I actually want it longer...I'd like to place the charger by the window so I get the best chance at getting some reception but there's no wall-plug close enough. Jul 06 23:17:46 I think I fixed the contacts. Looks like it'd gotten mashed down into the gap, so I popped it back up with a sewing needle. Jul 06 23:18:59 Sweet...now back to arguing with OpenSSH Jul 06 23:22:20 A2NY|pre, any idea why OpenSSH would be trying to offer a private key file that doesn't exist? Jul 06 23:23:23 OpenSSH shouldn't offer a private key at all I would hope, Jul 06 23:23:25 ouch Jul 06 23:23:54 funny you say that Jul 06 23:24:05 Sloloem: do you mean a public key? Jul 06 23:25:08 yes Jul 06 23:25:14 are you trying to push to git ? Jul 06 23:25:52 Yeah but it never says agent forwarding. It tries to offer /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa, which doesn't exist. Jul 06 23:26:33 cat /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Jul 06 23:27:07 rwhitby had walked me through setting up OpenSSH just to be a client so I could push to git but it's giving me no loving. Jul 06 23:27:58 A2NY|pre, it's a big long string in the format that gitorious asks for a public key in Jul 06 23:28:11 yes Jul 06 23:28:31 did .pub work for you ? Jul 06 23:29:42 In what command? All I've known to do is ssh -v git@gitorious.org and git pull. Jul 06 23:30:08 This is unfamiliar territory for me Jul 06 23:30:10 you created the key correct ? Jul 06 23:30:13 Yeah Jul 06 23:30:30 ok and cat /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub gave you something ? Jul 06 23:30:38 Yeah Jul 06 23:30:55 ok, now log into git and paste that in the add ssh key Jul 06 23:30:58 just how it is Jul 06 23:31:03 dont change formatting or anything Jul 06 23:31:05 Dide. Jul 06 23:31:07 Did. Jul 06 23:31:09 ok Jul 06 23:31:55 did you get the key to take by git ? Jul 06 23:32:05 Yup Jul 06 23:32:16 ok, you good now ? Jul 06 23:32:50 I could try to do a push but 'git pull' fails Jul 06 23:34:23 Nope, push fails as well Jul 06 23:36:38 it fails ? Jul 06 23:36:53 Access denied or wrong repository path Jul 06 23:37:09 are you in /opt/src/modifications Jul 06 23:37:46 Yup Jul 06 23:37:48 heh i like how the pre's screen turns off once you have it next to your ear Jul 06 23:38:01 or your face ;) Jul 06 23:38:20 or any other body part that would be funny Jul 06 23:38:33 intresting Sloloem Jul 06 23:38:34 never enough hacking time. I want to work on an iTunes remote, but ... must ... keep .. reversing.. plugins.. :) Jul 06 23:38:40 yep as soon as you block the light sensor.. Jul 06 23:39:22 can't do both without taking time from one for the other, alas Jul 06 23:39:48 Can someone help me implement the Call Log feature onto my pre? Jul 06 23:39:56 Sloloem, let me see if i can push something Jul 06 23:40:12 the sensor is right above the wifi signal icon Jul 06 23:42:17 Doesn't work if you have headphones plugged in. Jul 06 23:42:50 is it the light sensor or is it a proximity sensor Jul 06 23:43:11 I believe the iphone has proximity for instance (ultrasonic I think) Jul 06 23:43:46 I don't believe it's ultrasonic is it? Jul 06 23:43:56 I thought it had to do with the capacitive screen Jul 06 23:45:02 Someone wanna help me with the call log feature for my pre? Jul 06 23:46:05 Abyssul, what are you trying to do? Jul 06 23:46:18 Implement the call duration feature into the call log Jul 06 23:46:40 summatusmentis: actually I'm not certain but it looks like IR reflectometer Jul 06 23:47:29 destinal: I don't really know either Jul 06 23:47:31 so yeah an infrared beam and light sensor Jul 06 23:47:34 probably Jul 06 23:48:23 morning Jul 06 23:48:39 Sloloem: sorry about yesterday, had to run. Jul 06 23:49:01 rwhitby, it's cool Jul 06 23:49:48 Abyssul, did you read the wiki page (http://predev.wikidot.com/hidden-features), are you stuck somewhere? Jul 06 23:50:04 Sloloem: can you pastebin your latest ssh -v git@gitorious.org please? Jul 06 23:50:09 I dont understand what Im suppose to input into Putty Jul 06 23:50:38 Yes I've read the wiki page :) Jul 06 23:51:18 rwhitby, http://pastebin.ca/1486300 Jul 06 23:51:27 how do we gain access to write to the git repo ? Jul 06 23:51:41 Abyssul, at what step? Are you logged in? Jul 06 23:52:20 Im at "root@castle:/#" (logged in) Jul 06 23:52:49 Sloloem: do you have a /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa file on the Pre? you shouldn't (since PuTTY agent forwarding can pass through your key from Pageant) Jul 06 23:53:24 Abyssul, see the line that has the # in the first box? The luna-send command? Do that. Jul 06 23:53:50 rwhitby, no I don't. Just an id_rsa.pub Jul 06 23:54:22 Sloloem, do you get this message... Jul 06 23:54:29 Sloloem: oh, you don't need that either - you should just have known_hosts and authorized_keys on the Pre Jul 06 23:54:48 You do not have write access to this repository Jul 06 23:55:00 A2NY|pre, no. Don't see that anywhere. Jul 06 23:55:19 Sloloem, ok Jul 06 23:55:49 rwhitby, do you have to give access to write to git repo ? Jul 06 23:55:56 I got the message (** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true }) as described in the wiki. Jul 06 23:56:37 A2NY|pre: yes Jul 06 23:56:54 do i need to auth with you? Jul 06 23:56:59 I think I got it Jul 06 23:57:01 Abyssul, can you find the next commands ok? The code boxes in the wiki are the terminal equivilant of screenshots, so you need to basically make what's in your screen look like those boxes. Jul 06 23:57:08 i created a simple patch that removed alert sound when charging Jul 06 23:57:11 Yep, I think I got it. Thanks Jul 06 23:57:16 Abyssul, rock on Jul 06 23:57:21 Sloloem: can you pastebin ssh -v output with only known_hosts and authorized_keys, no id_rsa* files. Jul 06 23:57:33 Now for the 5 minute reboot... Jul 06 23:58:05 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/1486305 Jul 06 23:58:09 A2NY|pre: just tell me your gitorious username, and pastebin the patch so I can take a quick look at it thanks. Jul 06 23:59:12 Sloloem, what command are you useing for IRC that gives that notify sound/red name text? Jul 06 23:59:15 Sloloem: that looks like auth is working. Jul 06 23:59:42 Sloloem: now, your /opt/src/modifications/.git/config file again pastebin please? Jul 06 23:59:45 http://webos.pastebin.com/m45551ea8 Jul 06 23:59:57 Abyssul, the one when I say your name? That's a setting in your client that highlights your name so you can track when people are trying to get your attention Jul 06 23:59:57 a2ny on git Jul 07 00:00:18 I see Jul 07 00:00:53 rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/1486309 Jul 07 00:01:46 It worked. :) Jul 07 00:02:22 A2NY|pre: added Jul 07 00:02:41 Sloloem: ok, pastebin the result of git pull please Jul 07 00:02:48 rwhitby, thank you Jul 07 00:02:55 Is there any work being done on a GUI for quilt? I was sitting at orientation for my new job trying to open a PDF from the browser and thinking "Man I wish I'd enabled the browser downloading patch, I wish I could do it now." Jul 07 00:02:56 gnight Jul 07 00:03:04 g'night, A2NY|pre Jul 07 00:03:06 A2NY|pre: patch is well formed. Jul 07 00:03:30 rwhitby, all it really says is Access denied or wrong repository path Jul 07 00:16:01 wiki unresponsive? Jul 07 00:18:20 whats the link to the palm .jar file? Jul 07 00:20:09 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre_p100eww/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Jul 07 00:21:30 ty Jul 07 00:28:16 Sloloem: can you pastebin the pwd, command and output please? Jul 07 00:31:08 thx again rwhitby Jul 07 00:32:10 anyone able to help get the Mojo SDK emulator working? I've tried everything and it will not run once installed Jul 07 00:33:27 my java is updated, and I tried it on windows xp, vista, and 7 using compatability modes.. Jul 07 00:34:01 rwhitby pwd is: /opt/src/modifications Jul 07 00:36:21 http://pastebin.ca/1486344 whole command with the prompt and everything Jul 07 00:37:05 Hello all! Jul 07 00:37:58 rwhitby: Interesting. in the webcore Safari-3-2-branch/WebCore/platform/graphics/pg/SimpleFontDataPG.cpp seems to be remarkably similar to SimpleFontDataPango.cpp: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/deps/third_party/WebKit/WebCore/platform/graphics/gtk/SimpleFontDataPango.cpp?pathrev=9424 Jul 07 00:38:03 PG = pango? Jul 07 00:39:12 note their copy lacks copyright notices Jul 07 00:39:28 or rather replaces them with Palm's Jul 07 00:40:36 just me or is the wiki down? Jul 07 00:40:44 oh duhh logs Jul 07 00:42:54 hi Eguy Jul 07 00:47:03 might as well have everything in one place Jul 07 00:47:06 whoops Jul 07 00:47:12 What's the trick to getting the SKD Pre emulator to run in windows? Jul 07 00:47:14 site down?? Jul 07 00:47:32 Neo-Matrix: uh, run the emulator executable Jul 07 00:47:33 ? Jul 07 00:47:39 it does nothing Jul 07 00:47:46 did you have virtualbox installed? Jul 07 00:47:50 do you have virtualbox installed? Jul 07 00:47:52 got virtualbox and latest java, but the emu never runs Jul 07 00:47:54 is there an echo in here? Jul 07 00:47:57 hehe Jul 07 00:48:00 lol Jul 07 00:48:16 ......box installed? Jul 07 00:48:18 tried on win 7, vista, and xp virtual machine Jul 07 00:48:29 you can run virtualbox and try to open the emulator image directly Jul 07 00:48:52 sugardave: he'll be missing the resolution and port forwarding mods the java program adds Jul 07 00:48:53 virtualbox looks for ovf files though Jul 07 00:49:06 hrm.. Jul 07 00:49:09 site down Jul 07 00:49:14 THE SKY IS FALLING Jul 07 00:49:22 No!!!!! Jul 07 00:49:23 perfect time for me to drive home then Jul 07 00:49:26 bbl Jul 07 00:49:56 iphone gs batter lasts 3hours Jul 07 00:49:58 lulz bbl Jul 07 00:50:35 i'm a little disturbed that my Invisible Shield is getting pretty scratched (says scratch proof on their site) Jul 07 00:50:57 what is scratching it? Jul 07 00:51:15 my Pre is still naked as the day it was born Jul 07 00:51:25 x2 Jul 07 00:51:34 mine has phantomskins and I use the pouch Jul 07 00:51:45 weak Jul 07 00:51:50 yeah, I use the pouch a lot Jul 07 00:51:54 my finger nail is scratching it Jul 07 00:52:00 cut your nails Jul 07 00:52:03 haha Jul 07 00:52:08 haha they're pretty short Jul 07 00:52:18 need to get the wife to cut/stitch a side hole on the pouch for the cable Jul 07 00:52:21 it would be cool if pre had something to bb messenger Jul 07 00:52:33 my skin doesn't scratch. I would see about a replacement since that's not normal Jul 07 00:52:46 ya i just registered it on zagg.com Jul 07 00:53:00 any other ideas on the sdk emulator? Jul 07 00:53:11 might have to ask for a replacement, since they bounce a iphone in a box of skrews with the IS and it's unscaved Jul 07 00:54:48 does the virtualbox version matter? Jul 07 00:57:19 unscathed* Jul 07 00:58:27 Get the newest one Jul 07 00:59:50 I used 3.0 on my first few attempts, did not work no matter what I tried.. Jul 07 01:00:08 What does the error message say? Jul 07 01:00:59 no error message, installation works fine, but when I run the desktop icon "Palm Emulator" it shows a loading cursor briefly and never actually runs. Jul 07 01:03:22 is your firewall/antivirus software impeding it somehow? Jul 07 01:08:10 don't think so, using AVG but on the virtual xp I turned it off Jul 07 01:08:31 wait a second...you are trying to run a vm inside a vm? Jul 07 01:08:36 not sure if that's supported Jul 07 01:08:41 but I've never tried it Jul 07 01:09:00 it's windows 7's vm.. I read that it was possible Jul 07 01:09:08 oh, I see Jul 07 01:09:17 but I tried on vista too, Jul 07 01:09:24 git pull is broke =\ Jul 07 01:09:25 i'll just have to try again tomorrow Jul 07 01:09:31 * sugardave is out of ideas. Jul 07 01:09:33 sorry Jul 07 01:09:41 np thanks anyway Jul 07 01:20:35 Woot!!! LED notifications Jul 07 01:21:17 really? that's awesome ;) Jul 07 01:21:59 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191130-tweak-turn-led-when-text-message-received.html :) Jul 07 01:22:00 pics or didnt happen Jul 07 01:22:04 hahaha Jul 07 01:22:14 they added support for that in t he latest SDK Jul 07 01:23:04 i have yet to put my pre in dev mode... so stupid question... Jul 07 01:23:08 what do you do to take it out of dev m ode? Jul 07 01:23:13 Same thing Jul 07 01:23:16 oh Jul 07 01:23:17 hehe Jul 07 01:23:20 just flip the switch off Jul 07 01:23:47 so just type in the konami code again and the same thing comes up? Jul 07 01:23:52 Si Jul 07 01:24:04 I wants a Pre :( Jul 07 01:24:19 wikidot is down? Jul 07 01:24:24 Yep Jul 07 01:24:25 and if i put an app on there that i want to remove, how do i go about doing that? Jul 07 01:24:33 rm -rf Jul 07 01:24:44 where do apps get installed to? Jul 07 01:25:04 There are 2 dir's /var/usr/palm/applications and usr/palm/applications Jul 07 01:25:15 delete it in both? Jul 07 01:25:23 The appstore ones go into var and webOS apps go in usr Jul 07 01:25:34 ahh Jul 07 01:25:42 ipk's go where ever the dev decides to put it Jul 07 01:26:07 I hope all of them start using the var folder so the user can delete without rooting ;) Jul 07 01:26:37 i really dont feel like rooting my pre :-/ Jul 07 01:27:48 Is the wiki down or did I somehow mess up a route? Jul 07 01:27:50 * rwhitby wishes that term had never been applied to our secure root access mechanism Jul 07 01:27:57 but i made a small game that is almost ready to be tested on the actual device Jul 07 01:27:57 heh Jul 07 01:28:03 The wiki is down Jul 07 01:28:07 wtf happened to the pre dev wiki website?? Jul 07 01:28:10 yep, wiki is down. Jul 07 01:28:21 >( Jul 07 01:28:24 ahh stupid wiki Jul 07 01:28:29 time to set up something a bit more stable than wikidit.com it seems ... Jul 07 01:28:38 wikipedie :P Jul 07 01:28:41 something running mediawiki Jul 07 01:28:42 wikipedia* Jul 07 01:28:52 anyone do the cpu scaling hack ? Jul 07 01:30:31 ? Jul 07 01:30:41 rwhitby, what about the wiki with git ? Jul 07 01:30:54 tbird02: nope Jul 07 01:30:55 tbird02, i did and had a lot of freeze ups Jul 07 01:31:03 some others are running just fine Jul 07 01:31:05 YMMV Jul 07 01:31:55 hmm. i heard some people had improved performance. Jul 07 01:32:19 It does improve performace in some places but IMO way too unstable Jul 07 01:33:18 oic. the only thing ive done since rooting my pre is to disable the dial tone sounds. anyone else got any reccomendations? Jul 07 01:33:21 Eguy, agree 100% Jul 07 01:34:14 a2ny|pre, did you do the scaling fix with raising the max frequency to 600mhz or leave it at 500mhz? Jul 07 01:34:36 and did you just do the scaling hack, or do the vddr voltage as well? Jul 07 01:34:46 i did both 600/500 Jul 07 01:34:50 no voltage Jul 07 01:35:13 I have done so many hacks :D Jul 07 01:35:17 i hope constantly pinging wikidot brings it back up =) Jul 07 01:35:21 I love Linux :) Jul 07 01:35:51 wtf happened to wikidot? Jul 07 01:35:55 ugh this is gay that the wiki is down. Jul 07 01:36:00 nebula: data overload Jul 07 01:36:13 it wasn't ready for the mass user base the palm pre brought upon it Jul 07 01:36:24 grr Jul 07 01:36:28 i made that up Jul 07 01:36:38 you're prolly right though Jul 07 01:36:42 wsup wsup Jul 07 01:36:43 i have no idea what's up with wikidot, except that it's borked Jul 07 01:36:49 somebody want to help me Jul 07 01:36:53 do what? Jul 07 01:37:19 yup predev not working my point in the beggining about saying lets start our own site Jul 07 01:37:27 where we have complete control over the server Jul 07 01:37:44 help you do what? Jul 07 01:37:53 ok you know how in aim and gtalk Jul 07 01:37:53 that is our site... Jul 07 01:37:56 the status is truncated Jul 07 01:38:01 atlanta: it's in the works. server at osuosl, same rack as master.kernel.org Jul 07 01:38:03 status message? Jul 07 01:38:10 yea Jul 07 01:38:12 yeah Jul 07 01:38:19 trying to make it show all of it Jul 07 01:38:27 its pointless if i cant read my people stuff Jul 07 01:38:32 rwhitby: ok Jul 07 01:38:33 predev down? Jul 07 01:38:50 yup Jul 07 01:38:52 there is a gtalk app for the pre? Jul 07 01:38:58 opie: it's built in Jul 07 01:39:03 wikidot.com has been down at least 3 times since we started. that's unacceptable for a wiki. Jul 07 01:39:05 crazy, never used it =) Jul 07 01:39:06 nebula: sux, i gotta root my 2nd pre Jul 07 01:39:19 rwhitby: who runs it? Jul 07 01:39:19 rwhitby: get MediaWiki up on a server Jul 07 01:39:30 atlanta: in progress. Jul 07 01:39:36 rwhitby: i run a server company so let me know Jul 07 01:39:42 vitviper: wikidot.com, emkman started it there. Jul 07 01:39:57 rwhitby: do you run it? if so, i've got my own colocated box with oodles of space Jul 07 01:40:11 i dont think he owns wikidot Jul 07 01:40:12 do you Jul 07 01:40:13 ? Jul 07 01:40:27 and i b*tch at my isp if the network is every down hehe Jul 07 01:40:29 Is there a hack in the messenger app to enable WLM and all the other services support by it? The support is in the cade... Jul 07 01:40:34 i don't think anyone affiliated runs it Jul 07 01:40:35 code* Jul 07 01:40:39 WLM? Jul 07 01:40:41 the code is there Jul 07 01:40:44 but its not supported yet Jul 07 01:40:53 i gotta root my second pre and I don't have everything memorized Jul 07 01:40:56 oh windows live messenger, right? Jul 07 01:40:58 psykoz: windows live Jul 07 01:41:00 yea Jul 07 01:41:08 pre #1 went down to uber fail of the oreo effect and the slider resetting the phone Jul 07 01:41:14 only had it for... 5 days Jul 07 01:41:25 I have about 20% oreo but no reset Jul 07 01:41:30 3 weeks in Jul 07 01:41:47 Sorry 4 weeks ;) Jul 07 01:42:02 the new phone is solid Jul 07 01:42:07 Oreo? Jul 07 01:42:17 the only play is what's expected in a 2 piece phone (a tiny amount) Jul 07 01:42:25 people complain about this thing while their phone is closed that the screen turns a little ;) Jul 07 01:42:42 lurking_grue: its when your slider twists from the base. Jul 07 01:42:42 psykoz: i wouldn't call it a little... lol Jul 07 01:42:54 Ah.. yeah mine does that a bit. Jul 07 01:43:31 i think it is to be expected from a slider phone, especially a 1.0 device. Jul 07 01:43:39 a little bit, yes. it is 2 pieces Jul 07 01:43:42 I think all of ours will do it in time Jul 07 01:43:58 but when it wobbles to the point people ask you why your phone rattles... unacceptable Jul 07 01:44:01 I took my Pre apart last night to see the assembly and there is no way to tighten it Jul 07 01:44:02 hey at least can get ins on our phones Jul 07 01:44:13 unlike something else Jul 07 01:44:18 lol Jul 07 01:44:24 i had 3 iphone 3g's Jul 07 01:44:29 so pre #2 isn't bad Jul 07 01:44:29 hehe Jul 07 01:44:45 Apple is such a rubbish company Jul 07 01:44:55 Apple is a bunch of douchebags Jul 07 01:45:03 and they spawn a bunch of dbag followers Jul 07 01:45:05 for the most part Jul 07 01:45:13 Such a bad way to run a company Jul 07 01:45:22 vitviper: that's a bit harsh Jul 07 01:45:25 that tend to have an air of superiority because they have an apple logo on their device Jul 07 01:45:51 The "Geniuses" are not excatly geniuses. Jul 07 01:45:54 summatusmentis: why? I've owned 3 iPhone 3G's, own a MacBook Pro and an iPod Jul 07 01:46:01 i only speak the truth.. Jul 07 01:46:03 I would guess they have an air of superiority because of who they are, and they tend towards apple products Jul 07 01:46:27 i've met too many computer-illiterate people that think their Mac is the shiznit Jul 07 01:46:42 to be fair, I really like my mac Jul 07 01:46:42 yet they don't know the first thing about tech (hence being illiterate) Jul 07 01:46:43 * Eguy nods Jul 07 01:46:47 that doesn't make me superior Jul 07 01:47:08 i like my MacBook except for the fact it'll lock up hard if a faulty USB DVD-RW is plugged into the USB port Jul 07 01:47:20 my Linux and Windows machines didn't have this problem Jul 07 01:47:21 LOL Jul 07 01:47:23 and illiterate people, I would say, would tend to find OS X even easier than I do Jul 07 01:47:31 I admit when I see the mac vs pc ad's I hate mac and feel for pc. Jul 07 01:47:35 ever seen the white box of death on a mac? Jul 07 01:47:43 My MBP crashes all the time LOL Jul 07 01:47:46 you mean a kernel panic? Jul 07 01:47:48 Windows FTW Jul 07 01:47:52 it's a pretty little white box that goes inthe middle of hte screen Jul 07 01:47:53 yeah kernel panic Jul 07 01:47:56 i am seriously loving my new "Charge +wifi" button on the storage alert window! Jul 07 01:47:57 and says "you must reboot your PC" Jul 07 01:48:01 LOL! Jul 07 01:48:26 talk about sad... it's a USB device... crashing the kernel? Jul 07 01:48:33 Wooooot LED notifications work! Jul 07 01:48:40 Eguy: links Jul 07 01:48:41 Just applied the patch Jul 07 01:48:43 i can't apply anything ot my Pre, it's not rooted :< Jul 07 01:48:47 vitviper: it's the same concept as a BSOD Jul 07 01:48:49 So root it :P Jul 07 01:49:01 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191130-tweak-turn-led-when-text-message-received.html Jul 07 01:49:07 and yes, devices can crash kernels Jul 07 01:49:16 summatusmentis: right. I can't remember the last time my Linux or Windows machines BSOD because I plugged in a USB DVD RW Jul 07 01:49:27 Eguy: wikidot is down :p Jul 07 01:49:43 My mac locks up everytime I quit Safari LOL Jul 07 01:49:48 lol Jul 07 01:49:54 it tends to happen if the kernel driver doesn't know what to do with faulty hardware Jul 07 01:49:55 Apple>forcequit Jul 07 01:50:03 some drivers fail more gracefully than others Jul 07 01:50:19 summatusmentis: the USB bus wasn't failt... the DVD RW just couldn't read any DVD's because the laser was fubar (misaligned or w/e) Jul 07 01:50:29 *faulty Jul 07 01:50:41 if it's sending bad data, that can also cause a crash Jul 07 01:50:43 Linux and Windows saw the drive just fine, and even tried to read the DVD's i put in Jul 07 01:50:53 i hate the interweb. i love my iphone!!11!!11! Jul 07 01:50:55 however the laser in the drive was done for Jul 07 01:51:15 If anyone has worked on an OS X server you know how much Mac's such :P Workgroup manager works well for schools though. Jul 07 01:51:39 I love Steve Jobs!!111!!1 /me bows to Golden Steve Idol Jul 07 01:51:39 Eguy, you just like the little girls Jul 07 01:51:45 anyway, just because you have had OS X crash because of bad hardware doesn't make macs worse computers Jul 07 01:51:47 :O Jul 07 01:51:58 or the boys ;) Jul 07 01:52:01 No put downs :( Jul 07 01:52:08 i love you ? Jul 07 01:52:11 A2NY|pre: that's uncalled for Jul 07 01:52:12 summatusmentis: Hey, the Mac clowns make that argument all the time, why can't I? Jul 07 01:52:21 hahah clowns Jul 07 01:52:28 because it's unfair when everyone does it Jul 07 01:52:32 they claim PC's crash so their Mac is superior. I wonder what they do when their Mac crashes? Jul 07 01:52:40 it's a two way street Jul 07 01:52:46 Take it to the "Genius Bar" Jul 07 01:52:48 they don't know that it crashes, because OS X hides it better Jul 07 01:52:58 oh they will fix it, Apple still is perfect. Jul 07 01:52:58 they just shut it down, and return to what they're doing Jul 07 01:53:17 You have to make a freakin appointment. Jul 07 01:53:20 well.. let's look at the numbers. I've got 6 computers in the house. in the last year... only the mac has crashed. Jul 07 01:53:40 wtf. someone fix the wiki already. Jul 07 01:53:53 tbird02: the wiki is not hosted on anything anyone here controls Jul 07 01:53:57 tbird02: i don't think they can fix the wiki... Jul 07 01:54:03 Yup^ Jul 07 01:54:10 i would host the wiki Jul 07 01:54:22 It's wikidot.com's problem Jul 07 01:54:36 they're working on setting up another wiki on hardware they do control Jul 07 01:55:07 wtf Jul 07 01:55:13 palm doesn't want to give up cpuboot source Jul 07 01:55:38 Has anyone wanted a file manager like FileZ? I wanted to send a mp3 to my friend with BT and I had to accept the FAIL...my Centro could do it :( Jul 07 01:56:02 i'm curious what kind of system level service access the palm SDK will offer Jul 07 01:56:04 my browser times out every 20 sec on the wiki, so I refreshed the page once every 15 seconds for about 5 minutes (hoping to defeat/extend the browser timeout). The server did not respond in about 5 minutes for my request(s) for the usbnet wiki page. Jul 07 01:56:15 i want to write a CPU & memory resource monitoring app Jul 07 01:56:24 vitviper: my guess, without any inside information, is that not very much Jul 07 01:56:29 at least not initially Jul 07 01:56:32 https://spaste.com/DfIt1N9E/ Jul 07 01:56:40 vitviper: you might be able to get that info Jul 07 01:56:40 I guess my test added to the problem - is it easy to chagnge the timeout in the browser (Firefox)? Jul 07 01:56:53 will have to look into who to contact (palm is violating gpl) Jul 07 01:57:21 chron: I wonder what the legality of that is Jul 07 01:57:27 what's the rescan command anyone? Jul 07 01:57:37 if it's an accident, are you required to release? Jul 07 01:57:49 summatusmentis: they released a tool that uses static libusb Jul 07 01:57:53 I wonder what the legality for the SDK on every Pre website is? Jul 07 01:58:00 summatusmentis: i'm almost tempted to write a C application that will run as a localhost lightweight http server so i can send AJAX GET commands to get to get system level information Jul 07 01:58:00 whether it was an accident or not, source is required Jul 07 01:58:02 Eguy: not Jul 07 01:58:09 like... Jul 07 01:58:14 localhost/cpu_stats Jul 07 01:58:15 etc Jul 07 01:58:20 Eguy: this is different. palm is violating gpl. Jul 07 01:58:23 and make the app plugin extendable Jul 07 01:58:34 chron: interesting case. Jul 07 01:58:52 chron: if it's copmletely inadvertant, it seems like a grey area Jul 07 01:58:55 chron, what tool uses libusb ? Jul 07 01:59:38 cpuboot bpadalino Jul 07 02:00:15 summatusmentis: any company could continually release tools that violate GPL over and over if they wanted to and claim that it was an accident Jul 07 02:00:17 whats everyone's fav root hack? Jul 07 02:00:20 so what's the terms of the gpl - if i create an internal tool that i don't sell - i can modify the code all i want, right ? Jul 07 02:00:22 if that was an OK argument Jul 07 02:00:36 bpadalino, at overview yes Jul 07 02:00:37 bpadalino: it was a tool they publicly released Jul 07 02:01:15 bpadalino, you can take GPL code and use it to your liking but once you release a binary with your changes [unless you're veritas because linux retards are idiots] you have to release the source too Jul 07 02:01:36 tbird02: global search additions Jul 07 02:01:46 and, they used libusb code in cpuboot Jul 07 02:01:58 Has anybody tried to install samba on the pre? Jul 07 02:02:23 hrmm .. interesting point Jul 07 02:02:25 is the dev wiki site down? Jul 07 02:02:41 woyzeck: yes Jul 07 02:02:51 Look at the room topic... Jul 07 02:02:52 lol Jul 07 02:03:00 uh - it's the LGPL .. Jul 07 02:03:04 so question: we know how to change the fading boot image, do we know how to change the static one? Jul 07 02:03:05 libusb that is Jul 07 02:03:06 oh sry Jul 07 02:03:16 doesn't that mean it's ok to link against ? Jul 07 02:03:48 lgpl means they need to release any changes to libusb, and directions on how to relink cpuboot against a new version of libusb. Jul 07 02:04:16 libusb functions are compiled into cpuboot Jul 07 02:04:26 oh - because it's static Jul 07 02:04:39 you've verified they're libusb ? Jul 07 02:04:56 i looked in IDA Jul 07 02:05:19 sry, another newb question: Trying to SSH over USBnet, what port? Jul 07 02:05:22 Does anyone else here love reading internet forum fights? Jul 07 02:05:34 does novacom on the pre itself use libusb ? Jul 07 02:05:34 Eguy: yup Jul 07 02:05:38 222 Jul 07 02:05:42 God I love it Jul 07 02:05:43 bpadalino: its just cpuboot Jul 07 02:05:50 oh - just cpuboot Jul 07 02:05:53 Especially Engadget fights Jul 07 02:05:59 novaterm / novacomd doesn't even appear to Jul 07 02:06:02 just cpuboot Jul 07 02:06:19 chron: armijn (here on Freenode) is part of gpl-violations.org - rather than us discussing it here, best just to take it up with him - he works with Harald Welte. Jul 07 02:07:21 will do Jul 07 02:08:25 hmm, still not working for me. am i right: to ssh over usbnet I need 192.168.0.202 with port 222? What else am I missing? I keep getting a timeout Jul 07 02:08:47 do i need novacom installed on the xp machine still? Jul 07 02:10:20 second to last on wikidot twitter (http://twitter.com/wikidot) Very productive meetings with our bosses and developers. Huge changes are coming :) Jul 07 02:10:46 down is certainly a change from up Jul 07 02:12:01 sorry is novaproxy and python only needed for the initial rooting or do i need it to ssh in every time. Jul 07 02:12:14 used for dev mode Jul 07 02:12:27 woyzeck: can you ping 192.168.0.202? Jul 07 02:12:31 so i should be able to ssh in without it. Jul 07 02:12:35 good idea, i'll try Jul 07 02:13:37 no ping, request timed out. so, i'll double check i have the right ip(?) Jul 07 02:14:35 I setup usbnet earlier today and I'm sshed in right now, and the same IP responds to pings from my laptop Jul 07 02:15:03 sign Jul 07 02:15:04 *sigh Jul 07 02:15:10 novaproxy is refusing to work today Jul 07 02:15:11 you could ssh in over wifi and then see what IP it thinks it is Jul 07 02:15:42 i just did that, shows usb0 as 192.168.0.202 Jul 07 02:15:42 btw; that's the right IP if you followed the instructions Jul 07 02:16:14 oh wait Jul 07 02:16:46 i got a usb0 that shows as 192.168.0.202 AND a "usb0:1" as 192.168.2.101 Jul 07 02:17:09 weird Jul 07 02:17:22 any reason why novaproxy.py would refuse to run? Jul 07 02:17:40 A2NT|pre: what was the thing related to some ssh file that you wanted me to look at earlier today? Might that apply to woyzeck's current problem? Jul 07 02:17:48 i got a timeout while pinging that address too tho Jul 07 02:18:09 A2NY|pre: I meant you and not A2NT|pre Jul 07 02:18:57 found a new little debug menu Jul 07 02:19:09 open messeger and click to create a new text Jul 07 02:19:21 type in --palmDebug Jul 07 02:19:29 and click to send the text Jul 07 02:19:53 woyzeck: my ifconfig on the pre shows the same thing - I guess that is normal Jul 07 02:20:39 weird Jul 07 02:20:40 huh Jul 07 02:20:41 yes normal Jul 07 02:20:46 woyzeck: do you have a route to the pre on your system where the usb is connected Jul 07 02:21:01 novacom was working great the other day Jul 07 02:21:04 now it refused to Jul 07 02:22:35 woyzeck: in other words, maybe the DHCP setup did not work correctly (assuming you went that route) Jul 07 02:23:17 i did Jul 07 02:24:00 anything you can give me to test? Jul 07 02:24:04 guys Jul 07 02:24:10 thoughts on why novaproxy wouldn't work? Jul 07 02:24:30 can someone else can step in and help woyzeck? Jul 07 02:24:55 woyzeck: are you using Linux/Windows, what? Jul 07 02:25:00 winxp Jul 07 02:25:18 thx vitviper Jul 07 02:25:23 putty Jul 07 02:25:44 thanks Jul 07 02:25:50 woyzeck: here's the thing, on Linux, to connect to 192.168.0.202 I had to change a network setting that would send only traffic on 192.168.0.202 to thta device... Jul 07 02:25:56 not sure what the winxp setting would be Jul 07 02:26:13 since all my PC IP's are 192.168.x.x on the 255.255.255.0 subnet Jul 07 02:26:16 (i have a LAN) Jul 07 02:26:27 i hope we all have lans Jul 07 02:26:36 if you have a router and your IP's are internal 192.x.x.x ip's you may be having a routing issue Jul 07 02:26:37 where are you at woyzeck ? Jul 07 02:27:25 novaproxy is p*ss*ng me off Jul 07 02:27:30 my router is 192.168.x.x with 255.255.255.0 Jul 07 02:28:20 i did create a connection with dhcp on the computer with interface metric 100 Jul 07 02:28:40 woyzeck: sounds like you have a routing issue... just for SNG's disable your PC's network adapter and *then* try to putty to your pre Jul 07 02:29:20 you mean the main network adapter that's connected to wifi. ok Jul 07 02:29:27 yeah Jul 07 02:29:55 omg Jul 07 02:30:03 novaproxy claims novacmd is not running Jul 07 02:30:12 which means getsocket() is failing Jul 07 02:30:13 wtf Jul 07 02:30:46 anyone got any ideas? Jul 07 02:31:16 bingo Jul 07 02:31:36 thanks! do you think i'll have to disable those everytime? Jul 07 02:31:49 woyzeck: or create a route to your pre for that IP. Not sure how XP handles it Jul 07 02:32:08 woyzeck: so then is your wifi router n the 192.168.0 subnet? Jul 07 02:32:25 bclancy: yeah... i automatically suspected a subnet routing issue Jul 07 02:33:10 vitviper: I suspected routing b/c ping did not work - great idea to shut down the wifi Jul 07 02:33:22 um probably, not sure i remember when i setup the wifi router Jul 07 02:33:38 bclancy: :) Jul 07 02:33:50 now someone smarter than me help me fix my novacom issue Jul 07 02:33:51 lol Jul 07 02:34:17 guys: maybe he can just change his usbnet config on the pre to use an different subnet? Jul 07 02:34:21 yeah, my gateway is 192.168.0.1 would that be the address of the router? the subnet mask reads as 255.255.255.0 Jul 07 02:34:40 bclancy: quite possibly... Jul 07 02:34:58 i wonder if he could dump it on a 255.255.255.127 (or is it 128) ? Jul 07 02:35:23 or maybe 255.255.0.0 would be easier Jul 07 02:35:24 woyzeck: I think the easiest/best thing is to either use a different subnet on the pre or the wifi router Jul 07 02:35:37 the pre would be easier Jul 07 02:35:48 if I could root my pre I'd write up a doc on how to do it Jul 07 02:35:55 but FAWK this isn't working Jul 07 02:36:17 vitviper, what are you doing? Jul 07 02:36:24 yeah, i'm not sure i can change it on the pre without the dev wiki as reference Jul 07 02:36:28 write up is on the broked wiki lol Jul 07 02:36:42 woyzeck, what do you need ? Jul 07 02:36:55 A2NY|pre: trying to root it via Windows 7 (which worked on my previous pre) using novaproxy Jul 07 02:37:35 there was a writeup on how to add a subnet with vi... i guess it doesn't really matter. I could just shut down the other network adapters for now. Jul 07 02:38:00 woyzeck: it looks like you would just need to change the 3 in the 3rd octet to something else (like a 3) on the following line: dhcp-range=192.168.0.11,192.168.0.12,12h Jul 07 02:38:02 woyzeck: or you can go into your network settings and move USBnet up in the priority Jul 07 02:38:17 in /etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf on the pre Jul 07 02:38:38 and then re-follow the insttructions Jul 07 02:38:43 over Jul 07 02:38:43 woyzeck: windows let's you chose which order it hits the network adapters in Jul 07 02:39:07 ok, i'll print this out and work on that later. thanks guys!! help vitviper. Jul 07 02:39:23 predev is back, finally Jul 07 02:40:21 i'm going to use linux method now Jul 07 02:40:24 woyzeck: typo: I meant to say: it looks like you would just need to change the *0* in the 3rd octet Jul 07 02:40:25 windows blows goats Jul 07 02:40:49 gotcha Jul 07 02:40:51 thanks again Jul 07 02:40:52 bclancy: thta may not work... the subnet mask is the issue. my pc's are on 192.168.1.x and the pre is on 192.168.0.x Jul 07 02:40:55 and i still had a routing issue Jul 07 02:41:01 the problem is that snet mask Jul 07 02:41:11 he needs to get the pre off that mask Jul 07 02:41:22 or have windows give the pre network priority Jul 07 02:41:36 the subnet only controls how many ips are on a range Jul 07 02:41:40 i'll try it just with the priority Jul 07 02:41:41 his mask needs to be 255.255.255.0, right? Jul 07 02:41:53 you arent connecting to the subnet Jul 07 02:41:55 good luck Jul 07 02:42:01 you are just connecting to the IP Jul 07 02:42:06 right Jul 07 02:42:22 you dont have to have a subnet of 0.0.0.0 to connect to the internet Jul 07 02:42:26 ssh to the ip Jul 07 02:43:01 A2NY|pre: it makes sense. however what doesn't make sense is why we run into the routing issue Jul 07 02:44:13 i don't see how to adjust the priorities Jul 07 02:44:55 woyzeck: uh... let me see Jul 07 02:45:03 woyzeck: it's in a menu Jul 07 02:45:20 woyzeck: I think it's the metric thing that you changed to 100, try changing back to automatic, or maybe 1 Jul 07 02:45:28 get to the network control panel window that lets you see all your network adapters Jul 07 02:45:34 just to see if it works Jul 07 02:46:08 and then I believe it's the advanced menu.. Jul 07 02:46:20 and "advanced settings" Jul 07 02:46:24 you want the file to edit? Jul 07 02:46:33 then you have a "connections" list that is in order of priority Jul 07 02:46:36 it should have some commented disc Jul 07 02:46:53 wiki is back up too Jul 07 02:46:55 FYI Jul 07 02:47:15 yay! Jul 07 02:47:41 I must have screwed up the code for LED notifications because it worked once but not again Jul 07 02:48:09 there's a led notification patch!? Jul 07 02:48:13 yup Jul 07 02:48:18 wiki? Jul 07 02:48:25 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191130-tweak-turn-led-when-text-message-received.html Jul 07 02:49:32 awsome, grabbing my usb cable now Jul 07 02:49:52 lol Jul 07 02:49:56 ok just a minute Jul 07 02:49:56 no wifi ? Jul 07 02:50:14 I do mine through novaproxy or novaterm :) Jul 07 02:50:23 screw ssh Jul 07 02:50:55 ya, but when it's charging it doesnt fall asleep Jul 07 02:51:12 Eguy: cdm would be happy you said that Jul 07 02:51:14 :) Jul 07 02:51:22 Sorry cdm :( Jul 07 02:51:31 I just prefer the cable :) Jul 07 02:51:34 damn, linux rooting was easy as shit Jul 07 02:51:40 way easier than silly windows Jul 07 02:51:47 Eguy: happy that you said screw ssh, use novacom. his baby Jul 07 02:52:02 Oh Jul 07 02:52:08 I thought he did ssh Jul 07 02:52:15 Well sorry ssh person :P Jul 07 02:52:21 nah, he comes in asking if we've gotten over ssh yet Jul 07 02:52:54 wikidot seems to be back Jul 07 02:52:55 I agree though, novacom is well done Jul 07 02:52:59 And putty sucks, especially if you make a mistake in connecting, it freezes windows untill you kill the process :( Jul 07 02:53:10 Rod: wikidot is back :) Jul 07 02:53:28 Eguy: have you tried control-q? Jul 07 02:53:29 heh, my mac is good for one thing... Terminal :P Jul 07 02:53:43 Nope destinal, thanks Jul 07 02:53:45 Eguy: it's possible that you hit control-s which freezes the terminal Jul 07 02:53:53 until control-q is entered Jul 07 02:54:10 :O my Pre just killed my novaterm connection Jul 07 02:54:19 "unable to find device" Jul 07 02:54:30 lol Jul 07 02:54:49 Back in after a reconnect of the cable :) Jul 07 02:55:10 for that notification install, wouldnt you want to use ipkg-opt? Jul 07 02:56:13 changing the metric to 1 works with the other network adapters turned on. thanks! Jul 07 02:58:42 do we need to update the wiki for woyzek's case where the pre's usbnet and his wifi router are both on 192.168.0.x? (Metric == 1 worked for him and metric ==100 did not) Jul 07 02:58:52 rwhitby: did you see the thing I sent on PG in webcore? Jul 07 02:59:11 yeah Jul 07 02:59:30 I've noticed palm tends to strip a lot of BSD licenses locally Jul 07 02:59:38 copyright notice, etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 07 03:00:06 2009