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Jul 07 03:00:38 <Eguy> Yeah, no copyright stuff anywhere
Jul 07 03:00:49 <destinal> but anyway I was thinking it's possible PPixmap is just another renamed (but again maybe somewhat modified) version of something else from somewhere
Jul 07 03:00:57 <rwhitby> yeah, they shouldn't do that.  I expect if notified their open source guys will get it fixed.
Jul 07 03:01:32 <destinal> I'll still make the request to opensource re the ppixmap header, it would be best to have the one actually used to build
Jul 07 03:02:01 <destinal> even if I found something similar / close
Jul 07 03:03:01 <bclancy> rwhitby:  the topic needs to be updated (remove the "WIKI CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE" text)
Jul 07 03:04:32 <Eguy> Ooops just wrecked a js file LOL
Jul 07 03:05:51 <helfire> looking at that patch for visual notifications it seams it'll only pulse once, and the whole screen already turns on when i get a notification, so i dont see how this will be helpfull yet
Jul 07 03:06:04 <Eguy> Yeah
Jul 07 03:06:25 <Eguy> + I just wrecked the js file so I have to get it out of the webos doctor and restore it :(
Jul 07 03:08:00 <helfire> i cant remount my pre as ro: mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy
Jul 07 03:08:10 <vitviper> owned
Jul 07 03:11:36 <helfire> helpfull
Jul 07 03:12:02 <vitviper> dang, novacom was owning my cpu
Jul 07 03:12:09 <vitviper> helfire: just reboot
Jul 07 03:13:01 <destinal> helfire: something may have a file open rw or something, you may have to kill / exit whatever process or just restart
Jul 07 03:13:33 <Eguy> yup ^
Jul 07 03:13:40 <helfire> got it, copy/pasted the command from the form, which was wrong... whoops
Jul 07 03:13:46 <helfire> shouldnt blindly copy commands
Jul 07 03:17:06 <Eguy> Yeah lol
Jul 07 03:18:57 <Eguy> ahhhh fixed the js file
Jul 07 03:19:28 <Eguy> Dreamweaver is much eaiser than vi :D
Jul 07 03:21:54 <helfire> all my photos dissapeared after a reboot...
Jul 07 03:22:13 <Eguy> Ruh Roh
Jul 07 03:22:16 <destinal> helfire: is /media/internal ok?
Jul 07 03:23:01 <helfire> ya
Jul 07 03:23:07 <helfire> mounted as usb, everythigns there
Jul 07 03:23:43 <Eguy> you didn't modify com.palm.app.photos?
Jul 07 03:24:01 <helfire> no
Jul 07 03:24:04 <helfire> now everything is back
Jul 07 03:24:06 <helfire> weird
Jul 07 03:24:08 <Eguy> :/  now precentral is down :(
Jul 07 03:24:16 <Lacutis> :/
Jul 07 03:24:22 <Lacutis> Eguy broke it
Jul 07 03:24:40 <Eguy> Yup
Jul 07 03:24:53 <helfire> only change was installing org.webosinternals.services-0.4_all.ipk
Jul 07 03:25:12 <Eguy> All the Pre sites are gown down one by one lol
Jul 07 03:25:25 <destinal> Eguy: conspiracy!
Jul 07 03:25:31 <Eguy> :O
Jul 07 03:25:35 <helfire> ugh, now i cant set my wallpaper
Jul 07 03:25:42 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 03:26:02 <destinal> helfire: I had that one time when /media/internal was damaged
Jul 07 03:26:07 <Eguy> There goes novacomd on my mac using 99.9% of cpu ;)
Jul 07 03:26:11 <destinal> ended up reimaging with doctor
Jul 07 03:26:57 <helfire> fun
Jul 07 03:27:50 <Eguy> eek still got to call Sprint over my $110 charge
Jul 07 03:27:56 <helfire> well webdoctor tomorrow
Jul 07 03:28:44 <destinal> Eguy: what charge?
Jul 07 03:29:12 <Eguy> This is what it says on my online bill: SAM LCIB VOICE 1X DATA
Jul 07 03:29:53 <vitviper> wat
Jul 07 03:29:57 <bpadalino> novacomd uses 99.9% cpu for you? strange
Jul 07 03:30:30 <helfire> 2x reboot fixed it.. enough tinkering tonight
Jul 07 03:34:02 <cphelps_> bpadalino: I have seen it do that as well
Jul 07 03:34:10 <bpadalino> interesting
Jul 07 03:34:20 <bpadalino> no idea what it's doing during that time, huh ?
Jul 07 03:34:27 <bpadalino> geist would probably be interested in hearing about it
Jul 07 03:36:44 <Eguy> Palm novacom won't eject :(
Jul 07 03:37:09 <Eguy> Froze explorer /Vista fail
Jul 07 03:37:18 <Lacutis> any idea when they are going to expand the app store
Jul 07 03:37:41 <Eguy> Once it gets out of beta and the SDK is publicly released in Sept(?)
Jul 07 03:39:25 <cphelps_> bpadalino: I think it was when I loaded the drivers but DIDN'T put the phone in dev mode.
Jul 07 03:39:39 <bpadalino> interesting
Jul 07 03:39:41 <Eguy> Well looks like I need to reboot because of novacom
Jul 07 03:39:55 <cphelps_> Eguy: can't you kill novacomd?
Jul 07 03:40:27 <Eguy> Aha! it just came back to life
Jul 07 03:43:18 <cphelps_> bpadalino: I've had the work for real the last few days, so no progress on the auto rooter, but I will be back on that sometime tomorrow I think. I will learn more about the novacom issue then I suspect
Jul 07 03:43:52 <bpadalino> ah, very good .. always good to get those bugs figured out
Jul 07 03:43:56 <bpadalino> i've had to get back to doing real work too
Jul 07 03:44:17 <Eguy> Same here
Jul 07 03:44:19 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 03:45:18 <rujin> After the 1.04 update, does a previously rooted Pre revert back.
Jul 07 03:45:28 <Eguy> Some chages
Jul 07 03:45:41 <Eguy> like boot logo and dial pad background
Jul 07 03:46:04 <rujin> How do you check if the sudo is configure?
Jul 07 03:46:17 <Eguy> What?
Jul 07 03:46:20 <Robi_> cat /etc/sudoers
Jul 07 03:46:29 <rujin> I can't seem to make the Pre writable again.
Jul 07 03:47:59 <Eguy> Did you try mount -o remount,rw / ?
Jul 07 03:50:37 <bdumm> rootfs_open -w
Jul 07 03:51:21 <Eguy> Is there anything better than commander? I can't cd on there...
Jul 07 03:53:02 <atlanta> yea root your pre
Jul 07 03:53:02 <atlanta> lol
Jul 07 03:53:04 <atlanta> or webshell
Jul 07 03:53:42 <Eguy> Argh I just turned dev mode off finally and someone posts a solitare ipk, I don't want to root it again :P
Jul 07 03:53:58 <Eguy> I'll wait till there is more I want to do and root it later.
Jul 07 03:56:25 <A2NY|pre> install the email patch
Jul 07 03:57:53 <tictac> anyone have any issues with their phone earpiece and mouth piece not working, but you can talk/listen on speakerphone?
Jul 07 03:58:07 <Eguy> Nope
Jul 07 03:58:21 <AgentSmith> I had a goofy issue today where the speakerphone didn't play any sounds, alerts, etc. until i rebooted
Jul 07 03:58:22 <Eguy> I have an issue with signal going all over the place lol
Jul 07 03:58:37 <tictac> hmm. it seems to only happen when im in 1xRTT coverage
Jul 07 03:58:38 <AgentSmith> Eguy: that's because t he signal meter uses RSSI instead of Ec/i0 like CDMA phones should
Jul 07 03:58:50 <Eguy> And making accidental calls because the screen is so freakin sensitive!!!
Jul 07 03:58:55 <AgentSmith> just a software tweak to change
Jul 07 03:59:03 <AgentSmith> (in their radio)
Jul 07 03:59:11 <AgentSmith> (or in the software reading the radio)
Jul 07 03:59:15 <Eguy> So we can't do it
Jul 07 03:59:18 <tictac> Eguy: sensitive screen is a good thing
Jul 07 03:59:19 <Eguy> ?
Jul 07 03:59:25 <AgentSmith> not sure, i haven't tried myself
Jul 07 03:59:30 <AgentSmith> didn't care enough to fix it :-D
Jul 07 03:59:42 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 03:59:43 <AgentSmith> figured they'd eventually fix it themselves
Jul 07 03:59:48 <Eguy> Porbably
Jul 07 03:59:48 <tictac> i guess ill take it to sprint tomorrow and see what they say.
Jul 07 04:00:04 <tictac> it's weird because the hardware tests work and i can hear and speak into the internal headset/voice piece.
Jul 07 04:00:10 <tictac> but when i try to use them during a call... nothing.
Jul 07 04:00:11 <AgentSmith> that's odd indeed tictac
Jul 07 04:00:28 <AgentSmith> did you try plugging in / unplugging a headset a few times and see if maybe the headset pins got stuck or something?
Jul 07 04:00:38 <AgentSmith> iphone used to have that problem, lint would jam the release pin in the headphone jack
Jul 07 04:00:46 <AgentSmith> i smacked my iphone on my steering wheel one day tofix it
Jul 07 04:00:46 <tictac> i thought about webdr'ing it, but ive been waaaay too busy lately studying for my ccie, which is why i havent gotten some palm dev things done (sorry!)
Jul 07 04:01:13 <User620> anyone out there that can answer a question about diabling the charging event
Jul 07 04:01:24 <tictac> AgentSmith: hmm. i do use the headphone jack quite a lot in my car (pandora) and sometimes when i pull it off i have to reboot the phone in order to get any sound at all
Jul 07 04:01:54 <AgentSmith> the build quality on this hardware is kinda meh - i wouldn't be surprised
Jul 07 04:02:29 <tictac> im gonna try plugging in headphone jack and see if i can use the speaker phone. if so, im sure thats the culprit.
Jul 07 04:02:35 <AgentSmith> good id
Jul 07 04:02:36 <AgentSmith> idea*
Jul 07 04:03:09 <Eguy> AgentSmith: did that crack the screen? :P
Jul 07 04:03:22 <AgentSmith> hahaha i smacked my iphone on my steering wheel
Jul 07 04:03:31 <AgentSmith> back on the gen 1 hardware
Jul 07 04:03:34 <AgentSmith> when i first moved to cali
Jul 07 04:03:45 <AgentSmith> i hadjust arrived to start a new life there and my phone broke, it was awesome
Jul 07 04:03:51 <wisc> is there a way to disable the screen from lighting up along with the sound when charging?  I diabled the sound but want the screen not to light up
Jul 07 04:04:31 * AgentSmith babies his pre
Jul 07 04:04:54 <Eguy> Cali  eh? Where abouts?
Jul 07 04:05:00 <AgentSmith> santa clara valley
Jul 07 04:05:12 <AgentSmith> lived in santa clara, worked in cupertino
Jul 07 04:07:31 <tictac> AgentSmith: i found the problem.
Jul 07 04:07:48 <tictac> AgentSmith: something is causing the headphone jack to "always be on"
Jul 07 04:07:58 <AgentSmith> ooooh nice
Jul 07 04:08:01 <AgentSmith> possibly a ball o' lint
Jul 07 04:08:29 <AgentSmith> if you have a camera lens puffer or something that can suck, you might be able to pull out - i'd advise against blowing in because if it's dust it'll go deeper inside the guts
Jul 07 04:08:33 <Eguy> Ah
Jul 07 04:08:40 <Eguy> NorCal :P
Jul 07 04:08:42 <jauderho_> has anyone poked around the pandora app?
Jul 07 04:08:44 <AgentSmith> yeah
Jul 07 04:09:19 <Eguy> I'm from SoCal :p
Jul 07 04:09:27 <jauderho_> silly design of the app does not allow for upside down orientation.
Jul 07 04:09:37 <AgentSmith> my officemate was from socal, i'm originally from michigan, it'd be 105ºF outside and he'd be like "nah this ain't so bad"
Jul 07 04:09:40 <AgentSmith> and i was melting
Jul 07 04:09:47 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 04:09:58 <Eguy> Yeah, was 100 today
Jul 07 04:10:01 <AgentSmith> phew
Jul 07 04:10:07 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10429 optware/trunk/ (make/gtk.mk sources/gtk/no-update-icon-cache.patch): gtk: fix to build on host without gtk-update-icon-cache
Jul 07 04:10:08 <Robi_> AgentSmith: eventually we aclimate
Jul 07 04:10:20 <Robi_> even michiganders
Jul 07 04:10:23 <Eguy> I left my car windows up today, that was a no no :(
Jul 07 04:10:33 <AgentSmith> haha! nice, i hide from the heat
Jul 07 04:10:48 <tictac> AgentSmith: i have nothing of the sort and have already blown in it
Jul 07 04:10:54 <AgentSmith> i had an intricate system set up with a bucket and a floor-ac unit and hoses so i could run it on "deep freeze" mode constantly and it'd overflow into the bucket
Jul 07 04:11:05 <tictac> Eguy: the palm pre likes to reboot constantly when left in hot conditions
Jul 07 04:11:21 <Eguy> My Pre loves the heat...a little too much
Jul 07 04:11:34 <Eguy> Sometimes I have to take it out of my pocket because it is burning my thigh
Jul 07 04:11:40 <AgentSmith> YMMV and IANAL tictac  but if you are feeling insane/adventurous you could peek in there with some light of some sort and possibly prod around with the straightened end of a paperclip (with power off and battery removed and carefulness squared)
Jul 07 04:11:56 <AgentSmith> yeep, Palm Pre, sterilizing humanity since 2009
Jul 07 04:12:20 <Eguy> The iPhone 3GS does not overheat, it's the weather
Jul 07 04:12:25 <AgentSmith> hahaha
Jul 07 04:12:38 <Eguy> Best bullshit Apple has ever come up with :)
Jul 07 04:12:38 <tictac> hah
Jul 07 04:12:54 <Eguy> Other than the word innovative :)
Jul 07 04:13:02 <AgentSmith> i recorded a 40 minute video with my 3Gs - it got warm
Jul 07 04:13:06 <AgentSmith> but nothing unreasonable
Jul 07 04:13:08 <tictac> AgentSmith: so i use my surefire to see what could be in my headphone jack. it is in fact a piece of lint.
Jul 07 04:13:08 <AgentSmith> warmest it has got so far
Jul 07 04:13:23 <AgentSmith> w00t tictac - if you can successfully extract it i bet you'll be back in business
Jul 07 04:13:42 <tictac> yea thats the key.. trying to extract it.
Jul 07 04:13:47 <RLE> evening gentlemen
Jul 07 04:13:59 <Eguy> Hello
Jul 07 04:14:08 <AgentSmith> halloom
Jul 07 04:14:20 <AgentSmith> design a series of nanobots to march inside and pull it out
Jul 07 04:14:29 <RLE> has anyone tried the email attachment fix? yet?
Jul 07 04:14:58 * AgentSmith doesn't even know what that is RLE
Jul 07 04:15:00 * AgentSmith fails
Jul 07 04:15:12 <Eguy> I have a confidential computer at my disposal, anyone want secrets? :P Just Kidding
Jul 07 04:15:17 <AgentSmith> lul
Jul 07 04:16:01 <Eguy> My client worked for lockheed martin :) I am jealous.
Jul 07 04:16:23 <RLE> i work for sprint :/
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Jul 07 04:18:48 <RLE> im nice... for the most part unless you come in acting like a douche lol
Jul 07 04:19:11 <AgentSmith> shoot, i'm out of luck then
Jul 07 04:24:15 <Eguy> RLE: I am sorry
Jul 07 04:24:23 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 04:24:35 <Eguy> I had one of the store mgr's fired in my area
Jul 07 04:25:00 <Eguy> He kicked me out of "his" store for complaining about my 700p
Jul 07 04:35:41 <destinal> Eguy: lol
Jul 07 04:42:49 <AgentSmith> lol awesome Eguy
Jul 07 04:43:32 <Eguy> Needless to say, he was not the manager. ;)
Jul 07 04:44:03 <Eguy> and not a Sprint employee anymore ;)
Jul 07 04:44:12 <A2NY|pre> quilt is fucking dumb
Jul 07 04:44:29 <AgentSmith> huzzah!
Jul 07 04:45:17 <Eguy> haha I am not a fan of quilt either, ask Rod :P
Jul 07 04:45:23 <AgentSmith> i reported 2 sprint store managers up the chain myself, it's no wonder they are losing customers when customers have to deal with people like them
Jul 07 04:47:29 <Eguy> I can't say all managers are bad though, the store manager got me my Pre at the launch party on the 5th, the store rep refused to sell it to be at 11:45pm :P
Jul 07 04:47:37 <Eguy> me*
Jul 07 04:47:52 <AgentSmith> yeah, that is true, there is a third store around here that is excellent
Jul 07 04:48:04 <AgentSmith> they're an hour's drive away but that is where i am going from now on and avoiding the local ones
Jul 07 04:50:07 <A2NY|pre> wtf is this shit
Jul 07 04:50:08 <A2NY|pre>  
Jul 07 04:50:08 <A2NY|pre> >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 32 <<<
Jul 07 04:50:08 <A2NY|pre> sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 32
Jul 07 04:50:08 <A2NY|pre> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
Jul 07 04:50:48 <JackieRipper> A2NY|pre: that's somewhat self explanatory...
Jul 07 04:51:04 <A2NY|pre> not really
Jul 07 04:51:11 <A2NY|pre> i just looked at the file
Jul 07 04:51:16 <JackieRipper> there's a "syntax error near line 32syntax error near line 32"
Jul 07 04:51:25 <A2NY|pre> lol no
Jul 07 04:51:26 <JackieRipper> oops, pasted twice
Jul 07 04:51:29 <gkatsev> A2NY|pre: you are on irc on the pre? how?
Jul 07 04:51:30 <A2NY|pre> i just looked at the file
Jul 07 04:51:43 <Eguy> I'd hate to be on your bad side A2NY lol
Jul 07 04:51:49 <JackieRipper> can you pastebin the file?
Jul 07 04:52:13 <AgentSmith> lol
Jul 07 04:53:11 <Eguy> AgentSmith: can you send a few sentinels to Cupertino for me?
Jul 07 04:53:20 <AgentSmith> haha
Jul 07 04:53:28 <A2NY|pre> if i could log in lol
Jul 07 04:53:29 <Eguy> Or are you still unplugged?
Jul 07 04:54:04 <AgentSmith> the matrix is a dangerous place
Jul 07 04:54:08 <Eguy> a new man so to speak
Jul 07 04:54:53 <Eguy> You were always right smith... it was inevitable
Jul 07 04:55:05 <AgentSmith> mr anderson...
Jul 07 04:55:46 <Eguy> I think I am the only person I know that liked the second one
Jul 07 04:56:12 <AgentSmith> i don't think i've even watched the third
Jul 07 04:56:43 <Eguy> I liked it
Jul 07 04:57:20 <Eguy> But I am a really easy movie critic, I rarely say a movie is bad.
Jul 07 04:57:31 <AgentSmith> haha cool
Jul 07 04:57:48 <Eguy> It has to be REALLY bad lol
Jul 07 04:58:43 <AgentSmith> haha
Jul 07 04:59:48 <A2NY|pre> i hate my lufe
Jul 07 04:59:49 <A2NY|pre> visudo: /opt/etc/sudoers busy, try again later
Jul 07 05:00:04 <Eguy> FML?
Jul 07 05:00:09 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 07 05:00:43 <Eguy> I gave in a bought a touchstone everyone, I failed :( I didn't want one.
Jul 07 05:00:56 <gkatsev> Eguy: how do you like it so far?
Jul 07 05:00:56 * Eguy hangs head in shame
Jul 07 05:01:01 <AgentSmith> touchstone is neat if it wasn't $70 for $14 of parts
Jul 07 05:01:01 <gkatsev> just enabled cpu frequency scaling
Jul 07 05:01:15 <gkatsev> the sprint guy gave me 20% discount
Jul 07 05:01:18 <Eguy> Its just a great idea, I wish all phones had it
Jul 07 05:01:20 <gkatsev> which was neat
Jul 07 05:01:22 <AgentSmith> yeah seriously
Jul 07 05:01:26 <AgentSmith> and the touchston'es battery door is awesome
Jul 07 05:01:30 <AgentSmith> much better than glossy
Jul 07 05:01:31 <Eguy> I got it for $35
Jul 07 05:01:35 * AgentSmith is jealous
Jul 07 05:01:38 <Eguy> Yes, I love the matte back
Jul 07 05:01:44 <AgentSmith> i haven't got one, i'm still charging the old fashioned way
Jul 07 05:01:47 <gkatsev> anyway, i need sleep
Jul 07 05:01:49 <AgentSmith> with "wires"
Jul 07 05:01:51 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:01:52 <AgentSmith> l8s gkatsev
Jul 07 05:01:53 <gkatsev> night guys
Jul 07 05:01:57 <Eguy> cya
Jul 07 05:02:14 <Eguy> LOSER charging with wires, that is so 2008
Jul 07 05:02:27 <Eguy> :P
Jul 07 05:03:12 <AgentSmith> i know, i have digital cigarettes but still WIRE chargers, geesh!
Jul 07 05:03:53 <oc80z> AgentSmith heh
Jul 07 05:04:00 <oc80z> its still that pricy?
Jul 07 05:04:12 <Eguy> Speaking of which...I saw a kiosk at the mall selling electric smoke-free cigarettes...WTF how stupid are we as a country when we have electric cigs lol
Jul 07 05:04:13 <oc80z> thoguht it was like a half price mark up by now..
Jul 07 05:04:26 <oc80z> dispenses nicotine eguy
Jul 07 05:04:29 <AgentSmith> dude they are pretty cool
Jul 07 05:04:37 <AgentSmith> i can "smoke" anywhere
Jul 07 05:04:41 <oc80z> yeap
Jul 07 05:04:49 <AgentSmith> i want one built into my pre
Jul 07 05:04:52 <oc80z> HEH
Jul 07 05:04:55 <Eguy> No, this one was fake
Jul 07 05:05:00 <oc80z> oh. heh
Jul 07 05:05:01 <AgentSmith> oh! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Jul 07 05:05:03 <AgentSmith> like the candy ones?
Jul 07 05:05:04 <Eguy> haha instead of the stylus?
Jul 07 05:05:07 <oc80z> hah
Jul 07 05:05:09 <AgentSmith> haha yes!
Jul 07 05:05:10 <Eguy> YES
Jul 07 05:05:12 <oc80z> heh
Jul 07 05:05:23 <Eguy> I miss my pen stylus from my Centro SO BAD
Jul 07 05:05:28 <A2NY|pre> get a n97
Jul 07 05:05:35 <Eguy> So freaking convienent.
Jul 07 05:05:40 <Eguy> eww blowkia
Jul 07 05:05:42 <A2NY|pre> worlds worst phone
Jul 07 05:06:05 <Eguy> convenient*
Jul 07 05:06:21 <Eguy> Last nokia I had was the 5100 with the built in thermometer
Jul 07 05:06:50 <Webizard> I think most phones have thermometers
Jul 07 05:07:01 <oc80z> speakin of thermo
Jul 07 05:07:04 <Eguy> No, it told you the ambient temperature
Jul 07 05:07:10 <Eguy> outside
Jul 07 05:07:13 <A2NY|pre> i am having the worst time tonight
Jul 07 05:07:15 <Webizard> I know I know
Jul 07 05:07:18 <Eguy> ah
Jul 07 05:07:20 <Webizard> *joke*
Jul 07 05:07:23 <oc80z> anyone usint the CPU scaling
Jul 07 05:07:27 <oc80z> to ah, 600mhz..
Jul 07 05:07:42 <Eguy> *internet fail*
Jul 07 05:07:59 <Eguy> actually *internet sarcastic detector fail*
Jul 07 05:08:17 <Eguy> oc80z: yeah I got my Pre to 1ghz
Jul 07 05:08:21 <oc80z> no you didnet
Jul 07 05:08:22 <oc80z> heh
Jul 07 05:08:33 <Eguy> You didn't see the nuclear meltdown on the news?
Jul 07 05:08:48 <Webizard> lol
Jul 07 05:09:25 <oc80z> the butchard 600mhz will def freak the video gpu too
Jul 07 05:09:37 <oc80z> even had a couple crashes today
Jul 07 05:10:03 <A2NY|pre> fuck it, doctor her i come
Jul 07 05:10:07 <Eguy> I refuse to cpu scape because of all the freezing, somethings are better left unhacked :P
Jul 07 05:10:10 <oc80z> ...writing arbitrrary data to ram
Jul 07 05:10:12 <oc80z> not good
Jul 07 05:10:17 <oc80z> yea
Jul 07 05:10:30 <A2NY|pre> even writing to 550 i froze on boot
Jul 07 05:10:54 <oc80z> its cool for when u need it
Jul 07 05:10:56 <oc80z> ofc.
Jul 07 05:11:08 <oc80z> but when ur tv sprint/youtube happy... not smooth idea
Jul 07 05:11:12 <Eguy> http://Palm.Pre.wasarrested.com/?loc=Los.Angeles&gen=m&story=15&who_made=Steve.Jobs
Jul 07 05:11:14 <Eguy> HAHAHAHHAHA
Jul 07 05:13:20 <AgentSmith> hahaha
Jul 07 05:15:56 <A2NY|pre> sweet
Jul 07 05:15:58 <A2NY|pre> Palm Pre Has Sex WIth Sheep
Jul 07 05:16:42 <Eguy> It's got  a mind of it's own
Jul 07 05:16:49 <Lurking_Grue> Oh, Thought that was Techcrunch for a moment.
Jul 07 05:16:51 <oc80z> ..
Jul 07 05:16:56 <oc80z> anyone read palms new NDA
Jul 07 05:17:05 <AgentSmith> no
Jul 07 05:17:12 <oc80z> that came down today
Jul 07 05:17:17 <Eguy> Where is it?
Jul 07 05:17:23 <oc80z> i think its @precentral
Jul 07 05:17:35 <oc80z> i saw it tweet there today
Jul 07 05:18:08 <Eguy> Oh yes, I did see it
Jul 07 05:18:17 <Eguy> The leashes are off
Jul 07 05:18:36 <oc80z> ...zynga doing anything?
Jul 07 05:18:58 <oc80z> i -need- to play facebook poker 24/7
Jul 07 05:19:06 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:19:18 <Eguy> I haven't played any of the facebook games
Jul 07 05:19:29 <oc80z> Yeah??
Jul 07 05:19:31 <oc80z> Heh
Jul 07 05:19:38 <oc80z> my boy has 28mill in poker
Jul 07 05:19:41 <oc80z> he's a beast.
Jul 07 05:19:43 <button> does the facebook pocker have a mobile version of their canvas site?
Jul 07 05:19:50 <analog1> i'm using ubuntu and trying to root my pre.  when i type sudo ./novacom in the terminal it says sudo: ./novacom: command not found
Jul 07 05:19:54 <Eguy> Nope, no apps on there
Jul 07 05:20:12 <oc80z> analog1 is the file called novacom??
Jul 07 05:20:16 <button> -c
Jul 07 05:20:24 <analog1> that's just it--what file?
Jul 07 05:20:39 <oc80z> analog1 you run linux and you need to find where where the novacom file is.... PLEASE read the wiki entirley
Jul 07 05:20:49 <oc80z> entirley with an irish accent
Jul 07 05:20:50 <tharris-> hoal
Jul 07 05:20:55 <tharris-> hola
Jul 07 05:20:56 <oc80z> we need moar wiki
Jul 07 05:21:02 <AgentSmith> hahaha, aye laddie
Jul 07 05:21:02 <oc80z> tharris- welcome to reality
Jul 07 05:21:08 <tharris-> huh
Jul 07 05:21:47 <Eguy> moar cowbell
Jul 07 05:22:29 <analog1> oc80z, please direct me to the wiki that explains how to find the novacom file
Jul 07 05:23:16 <AgentSmith> probably http://predev.wikidot.com/rooting
Jul 07 05:23:19 <AgentSmith> if i were to guess
Jul 07 05:23:27 <AgentSmith> or http://predev.wikidot.com/linux-rooting
Jul 07 05:23:43 <analog1> that's where i am at
Jul 07 05:23:50 <AgentSmith> yeah that's a goofy set of directions
Jul 07 05:23:58 <AgentSmith> ./novacom implies you are in the current directory with novacom
Jul 07 05:24:00 <analog1> when i type sudo ./novacom into the terminal it replies command not found
Jul 07 05:24:08 <AgentSmith> yeah, because the file isn't in the directory
Jul 07 05:24:14 <analog1> where is novacom
Jul 07 05:24:20 <AgentSmith> looks like there's a link at the top
Jul 07 05:24:23 <analog1> is novacom something i am supposed to dl?
Jul 07 05:24:27 <AgentSmith> yeah
Jul 07 05:24:31 <AgentSmith> it's the app to talk to the pre
Jul 07 05:24:36 <oc80z> HEH
Jul 07 05:24:41 <analog1> good to know
Jul 07 05:24:42 <A2NY|pre> genius.
Jul 07 05:24:42 <oc80z> i found the site analog1 http://tinyurl.com/mmy4ks
Jul 07 05:24:48 <oc80z> That site will tel you -everythingz0r-
Jul 07 05:24:57 <AgentSmith> hahahaah oc80z  i knew that was coming
Jul 07 05:25:16 <oc80z> :D
Jul 07 05:25:20 <AgentSmith> my younger brother still gets me with that every once in a while
Jul 07 05:25:49 <analog1> what a jerk
Jul 07 05:26:14 <oc80z> ouch
Jul 07 05:26:31 <oc80z> there is a ah..
Jul 07 05:26:42 <oc80z> lmgtfy feed..
Jul 07 05:26:45 <AgentSmith> yeah odd they don't have links to binaries - you could hook onto the repo and grab source and compile it i suppose
Jul 07 05:26:47 <oc80z> shows you real time what ppl are googling for
Jul 07 05:26:51 <Eguy> LOL owned
Jul 07 05:26:52 <AgentSmith> ha!
Jul 07 05:26:55 <destinal> AgentSmith: what, rickroll or worse?
Jul 07 05:27:04 <AgentSmith> no lmgtfy
Jul 07 05:27:09 <destinal> hehe
Jul 07 05:27:25 <oc80z> ...
Jul 07 05:27:25 <oc80z> http://live.lmgtfy.com/
Jul 07 05:27:44 <Eguy> that's insane
Jul 07 05:27:46 <oc80z> ..check it out
Jul 07 05:27:46 <AgentSmith> oh man. best site ever
Jul 07 05:27:50 <Eguy> Look at all the porn
Jul 07 05:28:14 <Eguy> lmgtfy is pretty much one of the best sites ever
Jul 07 05:28:17 <AgentSmith> hahaha
Jul 07 05:28:23 <oc80z> http://lmgtfy.com/advertise.html
Jul 07 05:28:31 <oc80z> oops
Jul 07 05:28:35 <Eguy> AWWWWW "the simpsons sex" ewwwwww who searched for that???
Jul 07 05:28:40 <AgentSmith> ahahhaahahahh
Jul 07 05:28:47 <A2NY|pre> sorry
Jul 07 05:28:49 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:29:00 <Eguy> downgrage from 3.0 2.2.1 iphone
Jul 07 05:29:02 <Eguy> AHAHAHAHAHAH
Jul 07 05:29:04 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 07 05:29:08 <AgentSmith> hahaah
Jul 07 05:29:10 <A2NY|pre> just saw it too
Jul 07 05:29:11 <oc80z> YEAH?
Jul 07 05:29:14 <AgentSmith> pork digestion
Jul 07 05:29:14 <oc80z> Damn
Jul 07 05:29:26 <oc80z> what a riot
Jul 07 05:29:29 <AgentSmith> someone really doesn't know the dif between an M4 and M16
Jul 07 05:29:36 <oc80z> HEH
Jul 07 05:29:49 <Eguy> Yeah AgentSmiith lol
Jul 07 05:30:01 <Eguy> LOL peanut butter and jelly
Jul 07 05:30:39 <oc80z> the AK-47...
Jul 07 05:30:46 <Eguy> omfg how to kill yourself?
Jul 07 05:30:54 <Eguy> wow....
Jul 07 05:31:00 <AgentSmith> oh there it is!
Jul 07 05:31:01 <AgentSmith> wow indeed
Jul 07 05:31:14 <Eguy> gay porn ahhaahhaha
Jul 07 05:31:16 <oc80z> analog1 u working on it?
Jul 07 05:31:23 <A2NY|pre> lol, 30 years and a few changes
Jul 07 05:31:24 <Eguy> I'm so bookmarking this
Jul 07 05:31:36 <oc80z> book mark?
Jul 07 05:31:39 <oc80z> are you using delicious
Jul 07 05:31:44 <AgentSmith> now i have something to pass the time at work!
Jul 07 05:31:45 <Eguy> Opera
Jul 07 05:32:01 <Eguy> Mr Suicide didn't like his first result so he did it again
Jul 07 05:32:14 <Eguy> back to the future sneakers hahhahahaha
Jul 07 05:32:20 <AgentSmith> maybe they gave up trying to figure out the dif between an m4 and m16 is
Jul 07 05:32:36 <AgentSmith> +grammar+spelling
Jul 07 05:32:36 <Eguy> yeah, I just saw it again
Jul 07 05:32:39 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 05:32:53 <AgentSmith> prostitute vacation - where all the prostitutes go to play
Jul 07 05:32:53 <Eguy> prostitute vacation HAHAHA
Jul 07 05:32:57 <Eguy> LMAO
Jul 07 05:33:17 <Eguy> alarm clock bomb wires O_o
Jul 07 05:33:41 <Eguy> Geeze, I had no idea people google this shit
Jul 07 05:33:52 <oc80z> heh
Jul 07 05:33:57 <Eguy> left 4 head, for the real gamer loser
Jul 07 05:33:58 <oc80z> have you seen google trends?
Jul 07 05:34:02 <AgentSmith> hahaha
Jul 07 05:34:13 <AgentSmith> but bear in mind, at least in my case, i use it to prank others too lazy to search themselves
Jul 07 05:34:20 <AgentSmith> so it might be biased
Jul 07 05:34:21 <Robi_> thinks appear to repeat way too much
Jul 07 05:34:23 <oc80z> yea
Jul 07 05:34:26 <Eguy> yup
Jul 07 05:34:36 <AgentSmith> how do you cuddle?
Jul 07 05:34:39 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 05:34:43 <oc80z> ...wow
Jul 07 05:34:50 <oc80z> sorry i posted that link
Jul 07 05:34:50 <oc80z> :P
Jul 07 05:34:58 <Eguy> M4 vs M16 again
Jul 07 05:34:59 <Robi_> M4 and M16, geez, it's the grenade launcher!
Jul 07 05:35:00 <AgentSmith> HAHAAHAAH SERIOUSLY
Jul 07 05:35:06 <AgentSmith> i can't stop watching
Jul 07 05:35:09 <AgentSmith> i'm enamored
Jul 07 05:35:11 <A2NY|pre> lol wat
Jul 07 05:35:21 <Eguy> Not really Robi, the m203 is the grenade launcher
Jul 07 05:35:21 <AgentSmith> waschmaschine stinks again too
Jul 07 05:35:22 <mdklein> so usbnet on os-x... got it working a _little_ better... can't have both USBNET and novacom up at the same time, but I have a way to toggle between them on the OS-X machine, hopefully get rest worked out tomorrow
Jul 07 05:35:22 <A2NY|pre> Robi_ srsly xD
Jul 07 05:35:24 <AgentSmith> maybe it's looping some
Jul 07 05:35:37 <Robi_> must be, unless you're feeding it
Jul 07 05:35:59 <Robi_> how do hedgehogs have sex, hehe
Jul 07 05:36:09 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:36:11 <AgentSmith> or maybe it's like AIM over satellite - was talking to a friend in the military in carpetcountry today and he was on sat - his connection was laggy as all get out and his messages duped a lot
Jul 07 05:36:16 <Robi_> oh well, that's enough
Jul 07 05:36:17 <Eguy> I can't stop looking...
Jul 07 05:36:35 <AgentSmith> i know
Jul 07 05:36:39 <AgentSmith> it's like a car wreck
Jul 07 05:36:40 <Eguy> car parts... wow that will get you where your looking to go
Jul 07 05:36:48 <AgentSmith> ha! how do you start microsoft word
Jul 07 05:36:50 <AgentSmith> hahahahaha
Jul 07 05:36:51 <oc80z> 1.05 on the way?
Jul 07 05:36:55 <Eguy> haha win
Jul 07 05:36:59 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 07 05:36:59 <oc80z> er..
Jul 07 05:37:00 <oc80z> 1.1
Jul 07 05:37:08 <A2NY|pre> what happen to these new apps that were suppose to come out
Jul 07 05:37:20 <AgentSmith> yeah there haven't been any new apps recently, just updates to existing
Jul 07 05:37:25 <Eguy> Yup
Jul 07 05:37:28 <AgentSmith> kinda a ball-dropper there
Jul 07 05:37:31 <Eguy> I want the barrcode app!
Jul 07 05:37:34 <A2NY|pre> watch 1.0.5 implement the changes we at the wiki have done
Jul 07 05:37:39 <A2NY|pre> now THAT would be cool
Jul 07 05:37:41 <AgentSmith> HA
Jul 07 05:37:42 <Eguy> How much do cigarettes cost
Jul 07 05:37:43 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:37:51 <AgentSmith> imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Jul 07 05:38:03 <Eguy> largest dick in the world oh my god
Jul 07 05:38:07 <AgentSmith> hahahahahhhaaha
Jul 07 05:38:13 <Eguy> are you serious?
Jul 07 05:38:15 <oc80z> hmm
Jul 07 05:38:17 <oc80z> what link
Jul 07 05:38:20 <AgentSmith> i don't know if it is a new feature but as of 1.0.4 all app updates show up in the update app now
Jul 07 05:38:21 <AgentSmith> that was cool
Jul 07 05:38:25 <Eguy> There is no way someone googled that
Jul 07 05:38:32 <AgentSmith> reverse cowgirl
Jul 07 05:38:56 <Eguy> No AgentSmith, all the apps where in the update app before
Jul 07 05:39:03 <AgentSmith> wow then I just fail
Jul 07 05:39:07 <Eguy> why is the sky blue lol
Jul 07 05:39:09 <AgentSmith> i was running the app store and selecting apps
Jul 07 05:39:17 <Eguy> n00b :P
Jul 07 05:39:19 <AgentSmith> and manually updating each because they never seemed to populate in the update app
Jul 07 05:40:02 <Eguy> "which is faster DDR2 or DDR3" errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr wow....
Jul 07 05:40:16 * Robi_ writes a nag that makes a loud noise every time the proximity sensor engages
Jul 07 05:40:23 <AgentSmith> lots of cyrillic
Jul 07 05:40:31 <Eguy> Ouch lol
Jul 07 05:40:41 <AgentSmith> wall of vagina casts?
Jul 07 05:40:42 <AgentSmith> oh man
Jul 07 05:40:45 <AgentSmith> ok i need to close that window
Jul 07 05:40:46 <Eguy> The messaging noice is loud enough in the earpiece when on a call
Jul 07 05:40:53 <Eguy> I just finally closed it
Jul 07 05:41:02 <Eguy> Gave me my laugh of the day
Jul 07 05:41:09 <Eguy> noise**
Jul 07 05:41:45 <Eguy> LOL someone wrote noob killer
Jul 07 05:42:41 <AgentSmith> i want to be able to tweak A2DP to be higher quality
Jul 07 05:42:54 <AgentSmith> but i kinda doubt it has the processing horsepower to pull that off
Jul 07 05:43:01 <Eguy> Thanks who ever sent the lmgtfy live link +1
Jul 07 05:43:19 <AgentSmith> seriously
Jul 07 05:44:15 <Eguy> http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends?sa=X that's pretty sad as well
Jul 07 05:44:23 <Eguy> Sad to see what people search for
Jul 07 05:44:35 <Eguy> No wonder aliens think we are stupid
Jul 07 05:44:43 <AgentSmith> the downside of making information more easily available, people are less inclined to remember and learn
Jul 07 05:44:57 <opie_> wikidot puts google ads up
Jul 07 05:44:57 <AgentSmith> like i didn't know what the streaming app in the apps folder did if i made it visible
Jul 07 05:45:04 <AgentSmith> rather than check the wiki or ask here, i just made it visible and tried it out
Jul 07 05:46:20 <Eguy> I made the dev mode visible, best thing I ever did lol No more typing stupid konami code.
Jul 07 05:46:46 <AgentSmith> i was going to do that but then i realized i didn't want to put smart person things easily accessible in case i hand it to some n00b and they find some moronic way to break it
Jul 07 05:46:49 <A2NY|pre> or you can edit the js
Jul 07 05:46:59 <A2NY|pre> so when you type eguyisastud it comes up
Jul 07 05:47:03 <AgentSmith> HA
Jul 07 05:47:06 <Eguy> Thanks :)
Jul 07 05:47:16 <AgentSmith> A2NY|pre: win
Jul 07 05:47:18 <Eguy> I put it on the 3rd page at the bottom
Jul 07 05:47:28 <A2NY|pre> 3rd page?
Jul 07 05:47:31 <A2NY|pre> what is that crap
Jul 07 05:47:38 <A2NY|pre> i have 5 pages of love
Jul 07 05:47:40 <Eguy> With the rest of the settings
Jul 07 05:47:51 <Eguy> Meh, I am doing fine with 3
Jul 07 05:48:09 <A2NY|pre> yeah, just fine
Jul 07 05:48:11 <AgentSmith> i've been conservative with tweaks just because i keep switching Pres and also in case updates break stuff
Jul 07 05:48:12 <A2NY|pre> do you hear yourself
Jul 07 05:48:16 <A2NY|pre> you could be doing better
Jul 07 05:48:19 <AgentSmith> although I religiously get rid of that stupid nextel app every time
Jul 07 05:48:26 <Eguy> I want that slider + lyrics mod I saw in someones avatar
Jul 07 05:48:32 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 05:48:50 <A2NY|pre> i want to downgrade from 3.0 to 2.2.1
Jul 07 05:48:54 <Eguy> win
Jul 07 05:49:16 <A2NY|pre> with all this free time
Jul 07 05:49:17 <Eguy> haha poor Apple soul...wait, I don't feel bad for the person
Jul 07 05:49:21 <A2NY|pre> we should make a application
Jul 07 05:49:43 <Eguy> Blows up apple stores?
Jul 07 05:49:45 <Eguy> :P
Jul 07 05:49:47 <sugardave> seen a couple entries in the IRC logs, but no good answers...is anybody having success using Ajax.Request to access a local file on /media/internal?
Jul 07 05:49:50 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 07 05:49:55 <A2NY|pre> shake the iPhone
Jul 07 05:49:59 <A2NY|pre> like that baby app
Jul 07 05:51:48 * sugardave brings down the whole room.
Jul 07 05:51:49 <Eguy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjDAEHC6w9Y LOL @ 3:24
Jul 07 05:53:25 <Eguy> And this woman needs to take a hike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNh39h02zYI&feature=fvw
Jul 07 05:53:29 <A2NY|pre> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UWhJs6h920
Jul 07 05:53:57 <Eguy> wtf?
Jul 07 05:54:09 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 07 05:54:11 <A2NY|pre> mort
Jul 07 05:54:18 <A2NY|pre> he is a legendaring badass
Jul 07 05:54:44 <Eguy> Have you had an herbal cigaratte by chance?
Jul 07 05:54:56 <A2NY|pre> negative
Jul 07 05:55:07 <A2NY|pre> just some vodka ;)
Jul 07 05:55:08 <Eguy> Ok, just checking
Jul 07 05:56:01 <AgentSmith> lol Eguy youtube
Jul 07 05:56:06 <oc80z> going for a reboot
Jul 07 05:56:10 <oc80z> CAUSE I CAN
Jul 07 05:56:12 <oc80z> :(
Jul 07 05:56:18 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 05:59:30 <HebrewzHammer> yo
Jul 07 06:00:02 <Eguy> Herro
Jul 07 06:00:05 <AgentSmith> werds
Jul 07 06:00:23 <HebrewzHammer> just checkin to see if any discussion is goin on
Jul 07 06:00:30 <HebrewzHammer> got some time beofre i got to sleep
Jul 07 06:00:37 <HebrewzHammer> anyone working on an app?
Jul 07 06:00:42 <Eguy> You missed some great conversation earlier
Jul 07 06:00:45 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 06:00:45 <AgentSmith> HA
Jul 07 06:00:55 <HebrewzHammer> i can only imagine
Jul 07 06:01:03 <Eguy> Probably not
Jul 07 06:01:10 <AgentSmith> lol!
Jul 07 06:01:14 <HebrewzHammer> i've been trying to dissect the sample apps that came with the sdk
Jul 07 06:01:22 <Eguy> Which one?
Jul 07 06:01:24 <Eguy> The new one?
Jul 07 06:02:01 <HebrewzHammer> i'm not 100% on which version but the "UIWidgets" sample app
Jul 07 06:02:03 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 07 06:02:06 <A2NY|pre> initctl: (00724/288195800) Unknown job: optware-openssh
Jul 07 06:02:19 <HebrewzHammer> it has examples of all the basics (buttons, lists, images, etc.)
Jul 07 06:02:43 <Eguy> That is the new one I link
Jul 07 06:03:39 <HebrewzHammer> i am not an "advanced" programmer but i'm pretty experienced, but sadly not in the web app area. So i'm just learning CSS and javascript (and remembering html)
Jul 07 06:03:52 <HebrewzHammer> so following some of the code is proving challenging
Jul 07 06:03:55 <AgentSmith> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124692204445002607.html <- this is what really chaps my rump about iphone and why i dig the pre
Jul 07 06:03:58 <Eguy> I know a little bit
Jul 07 06:04:20 <Eguy> I hate kids
Jul 07 06:04:42 <AgentSmith> lol not the kids part so much but that too - the fact people even HAVE to go to these lengths to do what they want with the product they purchased
Jul 07 06:04:47 <HebrewzHammer> i mostly use C,C++,C#, and java. So CSS is throwing me off a bit with its sytax
Jul 07 06:04:51 <HebrewzHammer> syntax*
Jul 07 06:05:11 <Eguy> eww I prefer js to C++
Jul 07 06:05:41 <Eguy> "That's when we knew we should start teaching him ethics," says his dad, Ken Weinstein, 45, a real-estate developer.  Ari started hacking in sixth grade after looking for a way to download free games on his iPod mini. Two years ago, he received an iPod touch for his bar mitzvah and says he jailbroke the device in an evening. He later simplified the process into the iJailbreak software.
Jul 07 06:05:49 <Eguy> Bravo, greta parenting
Jul 07 06:05:52 <Eguy> great*
Jul 07 06:05:58 <AgentSmith> ha
Jul 07 06:06:01 <HebrewzHammer> i'm in the computer engineering area, so C is the most popular language
Jul 07 06:06:36 <Eguy> All the hackers are young kids with nothing else better to do in life, they should go outside
Jul 07 06:06:56 <Eguy> Everyone will have no Vitimin D in the future
Jul 07 06:07:04 <HebrewzHammer> oh, and I had no experience with linux until 2 days ago when I rooted my Pre. So its been non stop  fun learning everything
Jul 07 06:07:14 <AgentSmith> way to go HebrewzHammer
Jul 07 06:07:15 <Eguy> lol Linux is awesome
Jul 07 06:07:30 <HebrewzHammer> Eguy: but there a big fireball in the sky outside that burns!
Jul 07 06:07:32 <Eguy> Great value for money :P
Jul 07 06:07:36 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 06:07:42 * AgentSmith has been playing with the gamut of OSes since back in the solar powered days when dad would give me 15 minutes A DAY on the computer, oi
Jul 07 06:08:13 <Eguy> I learned to type on a typewriter, nonelectric
Jul 07 06:08:28 <HebrewzHammer> wow, lol
Jul 07 06:08:34 <HebrewzHammer> finger hurt much?
Jul 07 06:08:42 <A2NY|pre> you want to learn not to do something ?
Jul 07 06:08:45 <Eguy> This keyboard I am typing on, is backlit LOL geeze, how times change
Jul 07 06:08:49 <AgentSmith> makes me wonder though - the way reporters write stupid articles - like the goldman sachs one today "The allegations, if true, are big news because the codes the accused man, Sergey Aleynikov, tried to steal is the secret code to unlocking Goldman’s automated stocks and commodities trading businesses."
Jul 07 06:08:50 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 06:08:55 <AgentSmith> "the codes" "secret code"
Jul 07 06:09:03 <AgentSmith> i think in both cases they probably meant *source code*
Jul 07 06:09:13 <A2NY|pre> the code of sourcness ?
Jul 07 06:09:17 <A2NY|pre> oooooo
Jul 07 06:09:20 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 06:09:28 <Eguy> Sourcerers code
Jul 07 06:09:31 <AgentSmith> lololol
Jul 07 06:09:35 <AgentSmith> harry potter the haxx0r
Jul 07 06:09:43 <Eguy> Harry Potter and lord Jobs
Jul 07 06:10:03 <A2NY|pre> anyone else making patches or using them ?
Jul 07 06:10:10 <HebrewzHammer> best nostolgiac movie ever? HACKERS
Jul 07 06:10:16 <A2NY|pre> =\
Jul 07 06:10:20 <A2NY|pre> nmap
Jul 07 06:10:21 <danczar> lulz
Jul 07 06:10:21 <HebrewzHammer> ? no?
Jul 07 06:10:22 <Eguy> Co starring ronald ballmer and Bill granger
Jul 07 06:10:32 <A2NY|pre> i like top gun
Jul 07 06:10:34 <AgentSmith> i liked sneakers too
Jul 07 06:10:45 <Eguy> Top Gun was seriously the best movie ever made :D
Jul 07 06:10:50 <Eguy> i love it
Jul 07 06:10:55 * AgentSmith would love to see nmap on pre XD
Jul 07 06:10:57 <Eguy> footloose!
Jul 07 06:10:59 <tharris-> Welcome Danczar, good friend of mine who helps me find security holes :)
Jul 07 06:11:05 <A2NY|pre> agent smith
Jul 07 06:11:11 <A2NY|pre> its avail in the op pack
Jul 07 06:11:13 <danczar> i know nothing
Jul 07 06:11:18 <Eguy> haha
Jul 07 06:11:20 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 06:11:21 <AgentSmith> A2NY|pre: cool!
Jul 07 06:11:21 <A2NY|pre> ipkg-opt intall nmap
Jul 07 06:11:26 <A2NY|pre> xD
Jul 07 06:11:27 <A2NY|pre> ;)
Jul 07 06:11:38 <AgentSmith> shows how much i've bothered installing stuff or reading web sites
Jul 07 06:11:59 <A2NY|pre> i had 3 ports open when i ran it against the pre
Jul 07 06:12:07 <Eguy> haha
Jul 07 06:12:22 <HebrewzHammer> can anyone tell me why in apps the word "prototype" is used alot? I know this is prob. a stupid question but i'm just learning everything
Jul 07 06:12:29 <Eguy> I would love Terminal on the pre
Jul 07 06:12:32 <AgentSmith> oooh someone's on my dirtynet
Jul 07 06:12:34 <AgentSmith> yeah i would too
Jul 07 06:12:53 <Eguy> It's a prototype os :P
Jul 07 06:12:57 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 06:13:13 <danczar> alright men lez get a'hackin
Jul 07 06:13:14 <AgentSmith> LOL Eguy
Jul 07 06:13:14 <HebrewzHammer> here's an example: "MainAssistant.prototype.setup = function()"
Jul 07 06:13:33 <HebrewzHammer> is this a js thing?
Jul 07 06:13:39 <A2NY|pre> i like how palm referres to the touchstone as a "puck"
Jul 07 06:13:40 <AgentSmith> prototype OS or they use that term to say "this is a proto class to define some object"
Jul 07 06:13:44 <AgentSmith> HA
Jul 07 06:13:58 <Eguy> It is a puck
Jul 07 06:14:05 <AgentSmith> my puck'n'phone.....are working
Jul 07 06:14:12 <A2NY|pre> hey
Jul 07 06:14:15 <A2NY|pre> i bought a touchstone
Jul 07 06:14:16 <Eguy> When I first saw one though, I was like DAYUM that is small
Jul 07 06:14:20 <A2NY|pre> not a puck
Jul 07 06:14:26 <Eguy> I have 2 :P
Jul 07 06:14:33 <A2NY|pre> Eguy, make you feel better about yourself?
Jul 07 06:14:38 <Eguy> hahah
Jul 07 06:14:38 <AgentSmith> i want to mount one in my center console
Jul 07 06:14:43 <AgentSmith> or in a cupholder
Jul 07 06:14:51 <A2NY|pre> it will charge with 12v
Jul 07 06:14:55 <Eguy> It's too small for cup holder
Jul 07 06:15:12 <AgentSmith> leaves clearance for the cord
Jul 07 06:15:19 <AgentSmith> just fill the cupholder with lots of hot glue
Jul 07 06:15:26 <Eguy> It's not much bigger than the international charger
Jul 07 06:15:56 <Eguy> Has anyone spliced it into their headunits?
Jul 07 06:16:23 <Eguy> I am changing headunits tomorrow but I am unwilling to try it :P
Jul 07 06:16:24 * AgentSmith has not, i just send music to it via my Moto T505 audio bridge
Jul 07 06:16:32 <AgentSmith> or rather from
Jul 07 06:16:39 <AgentSmith> from pre, to head...anyway
Jul 07 06:16:40 <rwhitby> HebrewzHammer: prototype is a javascript framework that Palm uses
Jul 07 06:16:56 <Eguy> Yes, words from divine wisdom :)
Jul 07 06:17:00 <AgentSmith> that's what i thought but i wasn't sure so i didnt' want to respond with any level of confidence :-D
Jul 07 06:17:30 <Eguy> Why the heck is Pandora playing lady gaga, I never told it I liked that crap
Jul 07 06:17:41 <AgentSmith> Eguy: ....it knows...
Jul 07 06:17:43 <AgentSmith> it knows....
Jul 07 06:17:45 <HebrewzHammer> rwhitby: thanx
Jul 07 06:17:54 <Eguy> Damn them *shakes fist*
Jul 07 06:18:07 <Eguy> Pandora hacks your brain
Jul 07 06:18:17 <AgentSmith> pandora IS your brain
Jul 07 06:18:24 <danczar> lady gaga is no biggie
Jul 07 06:18:25 <Eguy> NO :O
Jul 07 06:18:33 <danczar> start worrying when Wham! showsu p
Jul 07 06:18:39 <AgentSmith> man that was cool, random, my last road trip i drove 500 miles with EVDO the whole way, jamming to pandora all the while
Jul 07 06:18:46 <AgentSmith> couldn't do that on iphone, was on EDGE or GPRS
Jul 07 06:18:57 <Eguy> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AT&T EDGE
Jul 07 06:19:04 <Eguy> FAIL
Jul 07 06:19:04 <HebrewzHammer> so a js framework would be comparable to a library in C or Java?
Jul 07 06:19:09 <AgentSmith> it was actually Alltel GPRS roaming for half the trip :\
Jul 07 06:19:21 <Eguy> HebrewzHammer: java
Jul 07 06:19:28 <Eguy> Oh, FAIL x2
Jul 07 06:19:38 <HebrewzHammer> ..... :(
Jul 07 06:20:05 <jauderho_> why does pandora not do upside down orientation ?
Jul 07 06:20:13 <Eguy> It is not in the code
Jul 07 06:20:20 <Eguy> It's easy to add though
Jul 07 06:20:21 <jauderho_> i'm sure it would not have been much work for them to add it. grr.
Jul 07 06:20:46 <AgentSmith> but jauderho_ what if you're laying down looking at the screen and it rotates to upside down?
Jul 07 06:20:49 <A2NY|pre> jauderho_, why do you use yoru phone upside down ?
Jul 07 06:20:55 <danczar> he's a bat
Jul 07 06:21:00 <jauderho_> hahaha
Jul 07 06:21:05 <AgentSmith> HA
Jul 07 06:21:18 <jauderho_> the audio jack in my car is in the armrest
Jul 07 06:21:33 <AgentSmith> get an extension?
Jul 07 06:21:36 <jauderho_> so it's easier to see if the thing flipped
Jul 07 06:21:49 <jauderho_> well that would be too easy.
Jul 07 06:22:20 <AgentSmith> hahaha touche
Jul 07 06:22:30 <AgentSmith> i just leave my phone in my pocket and stream A2DP
Jul 07 06:22:58 <Eguy> A2NY: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/b/ba/JakeTucker.jpg
Jul 07 06:23:20 <Eguy> Some people need things upside-down
Jul 07 06:23:24 <danczar> Indeed
Jul 07 06:24:30 <A2NY|pre> nahh
Jul 07 06:26:04 <Eguy> Anybody here looking foward to Forza 3?
Jul 07 06:27:17 <AgentSmith> naga...naga....nagonnaworkhereanymore!
Jul 07 06:27:23 <jauderho_> so in the patch for the email app it says this.controller.window.PalmSystem.setWindowOrientation("free");
Jul 07 06:27:32 <jauderho_> I wonder what the other settings are.
Jul 07 06:27:40 <Eguy> shackled
Jul 07 06:27:40 <AgentSmith> twiddle and check :-D
Jul 07 06:27:45 <AgentSmith> that's my favorite way
Jul 07 06:31:33 <AgentSmith> roughly 23% of the processor is used to play A2DP, oi
Jul 07 06:31:47 <Eguy> Ouch
Jul 07 06:32:17 <AgentSmith> explains the UI lag XD
Jul 07 06:32:24 <Eguy> Yeah
Jul 07 06:33:08 <Eguy> I get major lag if I keep hitting the center button to zoom in and out of the email app
Jul 07 06:33:34 <jauderho_> anyone else notice that the pandora app is called com.palm.pandora?
Jul 07 06:33:46 <AgentSmith> yeah
Jul 07 06:33:48 <Eguy> Yeah... so
Jul 07 06:33:49 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 07 06:33:53 <jauderho_> packaging error or did palm do the dev? =)
Jul 07 06:34:04 <Eguy> All devs submit to Palm
Jul 07 06:34:10 * AgentSmith would guess a little of both
Jul 07 06:34:20 <AgentSmith> iphone app devs do similar, improperly naming their app
Jul 07 06:34:24 <Eguy> to put into the app catalog
Jul 07 06:37:21 <A2NY|pre> yay
Jul 07 06:37:31 <A2NY|pre> second webos doctor in 4 hours
Jul 07 06:37:33 <oc80z> hrmz
Jul 07 06:37:39 <oc80z> sounds like fun.
Jul 07 06:37:40 <Eguy> lol what did you do this time?
Jul 07 06:37:42 <oc80z> whatd u do this time.
Jul 07 06:37:46 <Eguy> jinx
Jul 07 06:37:55 <Webizard> you owe him a soda
Jul 07 06:37:55 <Eguy> :P
Jul 07 06:38:01 <Eguy> yay!
Jul 07 06:38:10 <oc80z> whats m name bish
Jul 07 06:38:39 <adns-pre> My phone was stuck on "Phone Offline" like it was in airplane mode constantly after a few reboots didn't fix it I WebOS doctored it up and it's stuck at the profile wizard. :(  I think I have a brick.
Jul 07 06:38:50 <oc80z> nah u dont ahve a brick
Jul 07 06:38:58 <Eguy> plastic brick ;)
Jul 07 06:39:04 <oc80z> dont worry, its Linux brah.
Jul 07 06:39:15 <A2NY|pre> linux fixes itself
Jul 07 06:39:25 <Eguy> Like the matrix twins
Jul 07 06:39:29 <oc80z> as does windows.
Jul 07 06:39:35 <Eguy> bahahah
Jul 07 06:39:39 <oc80z> ...
Jul 07 06:39:51 * A2NY|pre facepalm
Jul 07 06:39:54 <oc80z> windows is like a crackhead putting a bandaid on
Jul 07 06:40:00 <Webizard> lol
Jul 07 06:40:03 <Eguy> Good one lol
Jul 07 06:40:15 <adns-pre> Ha!!!  I already tried adding WiFi as an option but the error occurs before it even gets to where I can activate wifi.  I think it's checking the modem and sees something screwy
Jul 07 06:40:34 <Eguy> And Mac OS is like an alcoholic saying the ABC's
Jul 07 06:40:49 <oc80z> heh
Jul 07 06:41:03 <oc80z> Mac OS is an In the closet emo piece of shit
Jul 07 06:41:08 <oc80z> But so trendy...
Jul 07 06:41:09 <Eguy> hahaha!
Jul 07 06:41:34 <oc80z> nah im srs.
Jul 07 06:41:40 <A2NY|pre> my finger hurts from swipping on this touch pad
Jul 07 06:41:44 <Eguy> damn trends, if Heidi and Spencer threw their Apple stuff and Blackberrys away, we wouldn't have this problem :(
Jul 07 06:41:59 <AgentSmith> who?
Jul 07 06:42:04 <A2NY|pre> LC has the ugliest toes
Jul 07 06:42:12 <Eguy> wtf?
Jul 07 06:42:22 <Webizard> lara croft?
Jul 07 06:42:22 <A2NY|pre> conrad bitch
Jul 07 06:42:31 <Eguy> I sat next to her in the airport lounge
Jul 07 06:42:32 <A2NY|pre> lauren conrad
Jul 07 06:42:33 <Eguy> I didn;t even know who she was
Jul 07 06:42:41 <Eguy> She was nice to me at least...
Jul 07 06:43:00 <A2NY|pre> was she on twitter
Jul 07 06:43:02 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 07 06:43:04 <oc80z> yea
Jul 07 06:43:06 <oc80z> twitter roxors
Jul 07 06:43:13 <A2NY|pre> oc80z, no
Jul 07 06:43:15 <A2NY|pre> bad dog
Jul 07 06:43:15 * rwhitby reminds folks that people in other timezones read the logs of this channel to catch up on the technical discussion, and would probably prefer not to wade through water-cooler discussions, thanks.
Jul 07 06:43:28 <Eguy> This was before twitter eg: good times LOL
Jul 07 06:43:34 <oc80z> nawp
Jul 07 06:43:39 <adns-pre> the profile wizard kills me... "Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved.  Visit www.palm.com for help."
Jul 07 06:43:39 <oc80z> microblogging is great.
Jul 07 06:43:39 <A2NY|pre> we are in trouble
Jul 07 06:43:43 <oc80z> 0sec news...
Jul 07 06:43:51 <oc80z> u cant downplay information.
Jul 07 06:43:53 <Eguy> Oops sorry Rod, too much watercooler stuff tonight
Jul 07 06:43:57 <oc80z> or micromedia
Jul 07 06:44:10 <Eguy> Especially the lmgtfy stuff LOL
Jul 07 06:44:12 <AgentSmith> haha, should tag all watercooler stuff so people can grep past
Jul 07 06:44:17 <A2NY|pre> #eguyisasexybeast for water cooler
Jul 07 06:44:39 <Eguy> I am starting to think you like the guys A2NY LOL
Jul 07 06:44:42 <adns-pre> Is there a way to search the entire log cause all I see is a file for each day.
Jul 07 06:44:55 <Eguy> cntrl + f
Jul 07 06:44:57 <oc80z> whats what
Jul 07 06:45:03 <A2NY|pre> lol nah
Jul 07 06:45:08 <A2NY|pre> i just need some humor
Jul 07 06:45:11 <AgentSmith> hahaha
Jul 07 06:45:12 <rwhitby> adns-pre: nope, one file for each day.  you can use wget to mirror the logs directory and then use grep ...
Jul 07 06:45:12 <A2NY|pre> and there are no chicks
Jul 07 06:45:15 <AgentSmith> hear hear
Jul 07 06:45:38 <AgentSmith> #eguyisasexybeast is a disappointing turnout
Jul 07 06:45:42 <rwhitby> adns-pre: if these guys would use #eguyisasexybeast more often, there'd be less to search through too ;-)
Jul 07 06:45:59 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 07 06:46:07 <adns-pre> ha!!!
Jul 07 06:46:15 <Webizard> I don't think crtl-f minds a few extra bytes
Jul 07 06:46:17 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 06:46:57 <Eguy> There should be a #webos-watercooler for us to mess around in
Jul 07 06:46:57 <AgentSmith> come on eguy, join your channel
Jul 07 06:47:03 <A2NY|pre> Eguy, if you dont come, you are going to be Egay
Jul 07 06:47:06 * AgentSmith was just thinking that Eguy 
Jul 07 06:47:10 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 06:47:55 * AgentSmith has always been meh about IRC - when there's nothing to talk about, watercooler seems to forefront
Jul 07 06:50:30 <Eguy> I just made webos-watercooler if anyone want's to join, It might keep the nonsense away from the real work that gets done on this channel ')
Jul 07 06:50:34 <Eguy> ;)*
Jul 07 06:50:40 <mutex> haha
Jul 07 06:50:56 <AgentSmith> I'm there like herpes on a well-traveled prostitiute
Jul 07 06:50:58 <AgentSmith> +sp
Jul 07 06:51:03 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 07 06:52:28 * AgentSmith is peacing out for now, curse telepresence in the AM
Jul 07 06:52:50 <Eguy> Cya m8!
Jul 07 06:55:56 <adns-pre> bah, I just search my error message and it's not in the logs.  Has anyone edited firstuse to just bypass the profile creation wizard completely?  I see no way out for me.
Jul 07 06:56:28 <Eguy> It's on the wiki I think
Jul 07 06:56:36 <adns-pre> This is what I get for screwing around with PmModemFactory!
Jul 07 06:58:07 <adns-pre> To bypass activation on the wiki is to add wifi as an option during the startup wizard.  My error occurs right before that page
Jul 07 06:58:22 <Eguy> ah
Jul 07 07:05:31 <HebrewzHammer> is there anyway to edit js files on the PRe emulator?
Jul 07 07:05:41 <HebrewzHammer> i'm trying to test a patch
Jul 07 07:05:42 <Eguy> vi
Jul 07 07:05:47 <Eguy> with putty
Jul 07 07:06:31 <HebrewzHammer> how do i putty into the emulator?
Jul 07 07:06:42 <rwhitby> port 5522
Jul 07 07:06:45 <rwhitby> root
Jul 07 07:07:10 <rwhitby> Eguy: #webos-watercooler is a great idea - thanks.
Jul 07 07:07:57 <HebrewzHammer> what type of connection is that?
Jul 07 07:08:20 <A2NY|pre> rwhitby hey now....
Jul 07 07:08:30 <A2NY|pre> #eguyisasexybeast is going just great
Jul 07 07:08:34 <Eguy> lol
Jul 07 07:08:55 <rwhitby> I've added #webos-watercooler to http://predev.wikidot.com/webos-internals-irc-channel-policy
Jul 07 07:09:14 <Eguy> Thanks!
Jul 07 07:09:22 <Eguy> I'll keep the channel open
Jul 07 07:11:05 <tmzt> good name
Jul 07 07:11:12 <tmzt> but too many channels
Jul 07 07:11:18 <tmzt> already
Jul 07 07:16:37 <HebrewzHammer> crap, the patch i'm working on is on the clock app. And the SDK doesn't have the clock app!!!!
Jul 07 07:21:03 <HebrewzHammer> everyone leave? :(
Jul 07 07:21:38 <Eguy> Nah
Jul 07 07:21:42 <Eguy> I am still here
Jul 07 07:22:02 <HebrewzHammer> i'm going to see if i can copy the clock app off my PRe and install it on the SDK
Jul 07 07:22:07 <HebrewzHammer> emulator
Jul 07 07:22:15 <Eguy> Just use sftp
Jul 07 07:22:25 <HebrewzHammer> yup, thats what i'm doing
Jul 07 07:22:29 <Eguy> or cp com.palm.app.clock /media/internal
Jul 07 07:23:48 <HebrewzHammer> before the Pre i had WinMo, and the one thing that always annoyed me was that you couldn't choose how long to snooze a reminder. Now i have the Pre and love it but I now have the same problem. So i'm working on a patch to the clock app so you can choose how long to snooze a reminder
Jul 07 07:24:43 <HebrewzHammer> success! my emulator now has a clock!
Jul 07 07:24:44 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 07:25:20 <mutex> hrm
Jul 07 07:25:41 <mutex> I tried to import my SSL cert, and certificate manager tells me my cert is unreadable
Jul 07 07:28:49 <adns-pre> I'm being forced to become real familiar with firstuse.  What dev apps are folks using to manage a Pre application?  I want to streamline the process as best I can.  And dont say vi!  :)
Jul 07 07:29:26 <HebrewzHammer> vi hater
Jul 07 07:29:28 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 07:29:36 <HebrewzHammer> u just looking for a better editor?
Jul 07 07:30:21 <A2NY|pre> i think we got HebrewzHammer hooked on VI ;)
Jul 07 07:30:26 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 07:30:46 <HebrewzHammer> after using vi, i tried using nano; and went back to vi b/c i found it easier to use
Jul 07 07:30:48 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 07:30:54 <Eguy> ahahah
Jul 07 07:31:02 <Eguy> you can install nano if you want
Jul 07 07:31:04 <Eguy> oh
Jul 07 07:31:07 <Eguy> read fail
Jul 07 07:31:59 <adns-pre> well not just an editor because I have plenty of those.  I'm just going to need to follow the breadcrumbs and sift through around 50 files.  It would be nice to create a project and have all the functions link to the separate files.  Kinda like Dreamweaver would do on a web project.
Jul 07 07:33:48 <HebrewzHammer> aight, gotta sleep
Jul 07 07:33:51 <HebrewzHammer> cya
Jul 07 07:33:54 <Eguy> I use Dreamweaver to edit webOS files on my desktop :)
Jul 07 07:33:59 <Eguy> cya
Jul 07 07:39:00 <oc80z> ejeet
Jul 07 07:51:43 <adns-pre> I need a how to if someone can point me to it.  Where are all the .js files under \app\controllers and \app\models being called.  I see the sources.json file which includes them but I'm not seeing where the whole chain of events begins.
Jul 07 08:01:28 <Eguy> do ls
Jul 07 08:05:59 <A2NY|pre> is anyone else using patches ?
Jul 07 08:09:30 <Eguy> Yeah
Jul 07 08:09:33 <Eguy> quilt?
Jul 07 08:09:46 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 07 08:10:08 <A2NY|pre> so far, two additions
Jul 07 08:10:26 <Eguy> I hate quilt :(
Jul 07 08:10:32 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 07 08:10:35 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 07 08:10:36 <Eguy> I tried to make a new patch but failed
Jul 07 08:10:45 <A2NY|pre> to upload ?
Jul 07 08:10:56 <A2NY|pre> you need to be auth'd
Jul 07 08:17:18 <Eguy> nope, at creation
Jul 07 08:18:52 <A2NY|pre> weird
Jul 07 08:19:04 <A2NY|pre> rwhitby, can quilt work with db's ?
Jul 07 08:19:44 <rwhitby> A2NY|pre: I doubt it.
Jul 07 08:21:05 <A2NY|pre> damn
Jul 07 10:24:11 <oc80z> woop
Jul 07 10:24:14 <oc80z> morning
Jul 07 10:24:27 <christefano> morning, oc80z
Jul 07 10:24:29 <oc80z> morning alejandro!
Jul 07 10:24:38 <oc80z> morning christefano!
Jul 07 10:25:11 <oc80z> whois asedeno_work
Jul 07 10:25:25 <oc80z> alejandro is in the house??
Jul 07 10:25:38 <oc80z> everyone else here is idle :/
Jul 07 10:25:51 <oc80z> Hows it going cfan!
Jul 07 10:30:36 <oc80z> im looking for my bookmarks
Jul 07 11:25:46 <atlanta> good morning everyone
Jul 07 11:26:09 <blau-mikeDG> good morning
Jul 07 11:28:11 <atlanta> HOW ARE YOU blau-mikeDG
Jul 07 11:46:34 <blau-mikeDG> i am good
Jul 07 11:46:49 <en0x> :)
Jul 07 12:07:43 <gkatsev> hm... i enabled cpu frequency scaling last night, now, my battery is at 9% and it has been on the touchstone all night...
Jul 07 12:09:42 <bpadalino|work> maybe you inverted the scaling range so it goes all out when there's no load, and grinds to a halt when you want it to do something
Jul 07 12:10:37 <atlanta> gkatsev: that doesnt sound good
Jul 07 12:11:03 <gkatsev> well, i followed the page. ill report more a bit later
Jul 07 12:11:09 <gkatsev> need to get ready for work and stuff
Jul 07 12:15:13 <gkatsev> i guess it is possible that it actually wasnt charing when it was on the touchstone, but when i turned the phone on just now, it moved a bit and started charging again...
Jul 07 12:15:48 <blau-mikeDG> ive been having issues with the touchstone and 6ft 3rd party cables :(
Jul 07 12:16:09 <gkatsev> original cable. :(
Jul 07 12:16:37 <blau-mikeDG> so far ive been unable to find a cheaper car charger that works with the touchstone
Jul 07 12:16:38 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Jul 07 12:31:43 <atlanta> OEM cables for the win
Jul 07 13:01:09 <softprecoder> hello
Jul 07 13:01:21 <softprecoder> anybody tried to start Classic on emulator? tnx :)
Jul 07 13:16:14 <rwhitby> softprecoder: I doubt anyone has the x86 binaries for the shared libraries that make up most of Classic on the Pre.
Jul 07 13:24:54 <Lacutis> is pre worth jail breaking?
Jul 07 13:25:15 <blau-mikeDG> you arent in jail
Jul 07 13:34:49 <atlanta> rwhitby: isnt it a plugin called to make it work
Jul 07 13:34:50 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 13:37:36 <summatusmentis> Lacutis: you're not "jailbreaking" it, as there's nothing that's really being broken into. You are gaining root access though
Jul 07 13:37:44 <summatusmentis> it depends on what you're looking for out of your pre
Jul 07 13:40:32 <rwhitby> atlanta: the plugins are compiled objects.  ARM code on the Pre, x86 code on the emulator.
Jul 07 13:44:04 <bpadalino|work> rwhitby, up late ?
Jul 07 13:44:31 <rwhitby> bpadalino|work: transferring stuff from PC to Mac
Jul 07 13:44:42 <bpadalino|work> ah, gotcha
Jul 07 13:45:19 <bpadalino|work> i wonder if destinal will get anywhere today with that plugin stuff ..
Jul 07 13:45:39 <destinal> bpadalino|work: got to get to work, but probably.  if I knew c++ it would be done, sigh
Jul 07 13:45:49 <bpadalino|work> ah, cool
Jul 07 13:46:00 <bpadalino|work> i'll have some time tonight to help you out i fyou want
Jul 07 13:46:02 <destinal> I got stuck at receiving an instance of a class
Jul 07 13:46:04 <bpadalino|work> casts and function calls!
Jul 07 13:46:21 <bpadalino|work> it should just be a pointer.. and you can just handle->function()
Jul 07 13:47:34 <destinal> ok, well at any rate I'll put up what I have, anyone who has familiarity with c++ should find it a piece of cake at this point
Jul 07 13:47:39 <destinal> and I'll try that
Jul 07 13:54:45 <bpadalino|work> destinal, did you get hacked by tharris as well - or was it just me this morning ?
Jul 07 14:00:30 <summatusmentis> er.. shouldn't there be safeguards against that?
Jul 07 14:05:34 <bpadalino|work> safeguards against tharris hacking me? :(
Jul 07 14:05:39 <bpadalino|work> one would hope .. but he's just too good
Jul 07 14:06:10 <blau-mikeDG> cake
Jul 07 14:06:22 <blau-mikeDG> why does #webos suck :(
Jul 07 14:14:25 <bpadalino|work> it's not that bad, is it ?
Jul 07 14:26:05 <bclancy> stuck on palm boot screen:  Py Pre was running unresponsively, so I hoped a "shutdown and restart" might impove thiings.  I shutdown by holding in the power button and then selecting the top button on the screen to turn the phone off.  Next I held the power button in until the palm logo appeared.  Phone has been in this state for about 5 minutes.  What should I do next?
Jul 07 14:26:44 <en0x> reset it
Jul 07 14:26:59 <bclancy> hw, removing the battery, or something else?
Jul 07 14:27:06 <bclancy> *how
Jul 07 14:28:02 <bclancy> I'm concerned because I don't know how far into the boot process it is.  Could it be doing an fsck?
Jul 07 14:28:22 <bpadalino|work> you can always try to connect using novacom and see if it is stuck
Jul 07 14:29:09 <bclancy> OK, I haven't done that since I rooted the phone, but I'll find the steps and try that.  thx
Jul 07 14:38:42 <rboatright> well, you can attach using ssh via wifi before the mojo comes up.
Jul 07 14:38:50 <rboatright> but I have had to take 7 minutes to boot.
Jul 07 15:08:46 <bclancy> still hasn't booted:  I started installing novacom, and I have a question on the step about downloading the registry file(s) from github:
Jul 07 15:09:02 <A2NY|pre> good morning all
Jul 07 15:09:07 <bclancy> The instructions say to download this:  http://github.com/bsiegel/novacom_win7/tree/master/reg
Jul 07 15:10:04 <bclancy> In that dir, the repostository says Windows 7, I want to make sure this is also for Windows XP and that I'm not in the wrong place to download from.
Jul 07 15:10:04 <rawdr> can't you just run novaproxy, to connect with telnet?
Jul 07 15:11:22 <bclancy> I guess so, do I need to undo the installer I just ran (It's now asking me to reboot, but I think the instructions said to click the .reg file before rebooting).
Jul 07 15:11:50 <rawdr> I'm not sure what that installer is for - never messed with that
Jul 07 15:11:58 <rawdr> I just installed python and used talk.py or novaproxy
Jul 07 15:12:34 <rawdr> oh yeah, there are the drivers of course, forgot about that...
Jul 07 15:12:39 <rawdr> but that link does look like win7 drivers specifically
Jul 07 15:12:45 <rawdr> since I know the standard drivers did NOT work for win7
Jul 07 15:12:53 <bclancy> I recall using novaproxy in the past, I'll try and cancel the reboot
Jul 07 15:13:21 <rawdr> you just need the novacom drivers which was an MSI package in the original webos-doctor download
Jul 07 15:13:43 <rawdr> if you did it before they would probably still be installed....
Jul 07 15:14:01 <rawdr> of course this is all assuming you still have developer mode turned ON on your pre
Jul 07 15:15:02 <sugardave> god dammit I hate Lotus Notes
Jul 07 15:17:20 <bclancy> rawdr:  yes, developer mode is on, the pre is still on the palm boot screen, so I'm not sure if it got far enough or not.  Currently searching my disk to see where I put novaproxy.py.  thx
Jul 07 15:20:15 <PreGeek> hello all
Jul 07 15:20:33 <A2NY|pre> hello
Jul 07 15:20:41 <PreGeek> can anybody help me with a script i'm trying to write for use in putty to automate linux commands??
Jul 07 15:20:56 <A2NY|pre> automate in what way ?
Jul 07 15:21:37 <en0x> well if you don't know how to write a script then for sure u r not a geek
Jul 07 15:21:39 <en0x> :D
Jul 07 15:21:45 <PreGeek> http://webos.pastebin.com/m3951bf8f
Jul 07 15:21:55 <PreGeek> nope, i'm and up and coming geek
Jul 07 15:21:56 <PreGeek> lol
Jul 07 15:22:16 <PreGeek> it seems like it executed only the last line of command.
Jul 07 15:22:31 <en0x> this script is ugly
Jul 07 15:22:34 <PreGeek> i typed . hacks.txt in the putty command line to start it
Jul 07 15:22:40 <PreGeek> what's wrong with it?
Jul 07 15:23:02 <en0x> its ugly you could simply use cp *.png /PATH
Jul 07 15:23:03 <en0x> :P
Jul 07 15:23:03 <bclancy> looking good, was able to reboot from novaprovy/ssh and now it looks like the pre is coming back up!
Jul 07 15:23:12 <PreGeek> trying to make a simple one so if i changed phones , I can put all my hacks back onto the new one.
Jul 07 15:23:40 <PreGeek> true, but unfortunately not all png files are going to the same directory
Jul 07 15:24:12 <PreGeek> when i run this script i see nothing happening in the background and none of the changes except for the last line stick.
Jul 07 15:24:17 <PreGeek> after rebooting
Jul 07 15:26:29 <PreGeek> anybody able to help?
Jul 07 15:26:59 <bclancy> is it possible that I lost my palm profile? (The phone app does not show any past calls and it looks like I have no contacts).  I'll look at email next.
Jul 07 15:27:22 <bclancy> email says "add an account"
Jul 07 15:27:31 <blau-mikeDG> i isuppose
Jul 07 15:27:58 <PreGeek> http://webos.pastebin.com/m3951bf8f
Jul 07 15:28:00 <bclancy> anyone know what happened and.or how to fit it (Will search the wiki and google next)
Jul 07 15:28:25 <PreGeek> trying to use this script in putty, but only last line actually takes in the phone
Jul 07 15:29:54 <PreGeek> is there another program i could use instead of putty?
Jul 07 15:30:40 <rboatright> it isn't putty.
Jul 07 15:30:52 <rboatright> ok,  you have the script on your desktop,or on the pre?
Jul 07 15:31:05 <PreGeek> i have it on my pre
Jul 07 15:31:21 <en0x> do u haver the files in the same dir as script?
Jul 07 15:31:44 <PreGeek> i'm trying to be in putty and run a script full of copy commands and such to run
Jul 07 15:31:45 <rboatright> what folder is the script and your files in?
Jul 07 15:31:52 <PreGeek> yes i do, should i separate them?
Jul 07 15:32:10 <rboatright> yes PreGeek them being together is fine.
Jul 07 15:32:14 <rboatright> where are they?
Jul 07 15:32:26 <PreGeek> media/internal
Jul 07 15:32:30 <A2NY|pre> wouldnt you have to call the same dir the sh is in ./ ?
Jul 07 15:33:10 <en0x> correct A2NY|pre
Jul 07 15:33:17 <PreGeek> so what should i be fixing?
Jul 07 15:34:41 <rboatright> well.....
Jul 07 15:35:12 <rboatright> if it was _me_...  I would create a directory structure that had all the folders named correctly....  and put all the png's in the right places....
Jul 07 15:35:41 <rboatright> and then, I would tar it up....  and then, you could do a single untar and everything would fall into the right place instead of all those copies.
Jul 07 15:35:51 <rboatright> One line, one tar file.
Jul 07 15:37:59 <A2NY|pre> rboatright has a good idea, keep it simple
Jul 07 15:38:12 <PreGeek> hmmm....sound like a big pain in the you know what, but probably better than i'm doing now.
Jul 07 15:38:14 <PreGeek> i'll try it
Jul 07 15:38:36 <PreGeek> so basically emulate the directory structure of the pre, right
Jul 07 15:39:16 <rboatright> and then, tar it up, and untar it to /
Jul 07 15:39:20 <rboatright> and poof.  all done.
Jul 07 15:39:43 <PreGeek> ok i got ya.  Thanks!
Jul 07 15:47:16 <bclancy> Before I had shutdown and rebooted, my phone app had no contacts. Has anyone ever seen this?  It looks like the database containing this info may have been reset:
Jul 07 15:47:18 <bclancy> root@castle:/var/home/root# cd /var/luna/data/dbdata/
Jul 07 15:47:20 <bclancy> root@castle:/var/luna/data/dbdata# ls -lrt
Jul 07 15:47:22 <bclancy> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        53248 Jun  6 12:42 PalmAccountDatabase.db3
Jul 07 15:47:24 <bclancy> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      2445312 Jul  7 11:23 PalmDatabase.db3
Jul 07 15:47:26 <bclancy> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root            0 Jul  7 11:31 PalmDatabase.db3-journal
Jul 07 15:47:27 <bclancy> root@castle:/var/luna/data/dbdata#
Jul 07 15:48:07 <bclancy> just to clarify, it lost previous contacts, etc.
Jul 07 16:17:56 <bclancy> follow up on my lost contacts issue - not exactly what happened, but I read instructions on how to reset the device from the device info, and my contacts, etc are now back.
Jul 07 16:18:07 <A2NY|work> bclancy, good to hear
Jul 07 16:19:09 <A2NY|work> just a hint you can run sqlite3 PalmDatabase.db3
Jul 07 16:19:10 <A2NY|work> .dump
Jul 07 16:31:03 <summatusmentis> http://www.palm.com/uk/en/emails/pre/uk-announce.html
Jul 07 16:48:09 <A2NY|work> can someone run this for me and post to webos.pastebin.com
Jul 07 16:48:10 <A2NY|work> grep BATTERY: /var/log/messages
Jul 07 16:49:38 <blau-mikeDG> how to show an error dialog
Jul 07 16:50:20 <A2NY|work> blau-mikeDG ?
Jul 07 16:51:39 <blau-mikeDG> 	Mojo.Controller.errorDialog("Error getting account list."); like i wanna do that but in a lightweight way
Jul 07 17:04:30 <drnull> A2NY|work: http://webos.pastebin.com/d2bdbe8d9
Jul 07 17:09:28 <sugardave> where else besides /var/log/messages can we look for debug/logging output?
Jul 07 17:10:43 <adns-pre> Last night my Pre was stuck in Phone Offline mode and after reboots etc, I WebOS doctored it and I get this error during the Palm profile wizard "Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved.  Visit www.palm.com for help."
Jul 07 17:11:00 <sugardave> lame
Jul 07 17:11:35 <adns-pre> So I want to edit firstuse to just skip all the activation junk so I can get back into the phone.  Any suggestions?
Jul 07 17:11:58 <adns-pre> And yes I already did the wiki bypass activation but this error happens before that
Jul 07 17:14:14 <adns-pre> I'm willing to do the work to edit firstuse, but I could use some guidance on the whole structure of a Pre app.  one html file and tons of javascripts that don't seem to be connected in an easy to understand fashion.  blah...
Jul 07 17:14:36 <A2NY|work> dont worry about the html files
Jul 07 17:14:46 <atlanta> MVC
Jul 07 17:14:47 <A2NY|work> js is where its all handled
Jul 07 17:14:49 <atlanta> you know what it is
Jul 07 17:14:49 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 17:15:06 <atlanta> i would say get a prototype beginner ebook
Jul 07 17:15:31 <adns-pre> I don't know what MVC is.
Jul 07 17:15:48 <blau-mikeDG> model view controller
Jul 07 17:16:19 <atlanta> its how actions flow
Jul 07 17:16:21 <blau-mikeDG> dont use the existing palm apps
Jul 07 17:16:27 <blau-mikeDG> as templates
Jul 07 17:16:35 <atlanta> what do you recommend
Jul 07 17:16:35 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 17:16:45 <atlanta> the hello word app in the S*K
Jul 07 17:16:52 <blau-mikeDG> if you are in their developer program use the sdk samples
Jul 07 17:17:01 <blau-mikeDG> and the new project generator
Jul 07 17:17:27 <adns-pre> But I'll be working on an existing app, should I not start there?
Jul 07 17:18:09 <blau-mikeDG> go for it3
Jul 07 17:18:18 <blau-mikeDG> it doesnt really amtter, whatever gets people working on apps is fine
Jul 07 17:19:54 * blau-mikeDG needs to post some pics
Jul 07 17:20:45 <adns-pre> so the Models, Controllers and Views folders match up quite nicely with MVC i see ;)
Jul 07 17:20:58 <sugardave> you are now an expert in MVC
Jul 07 17:21:02 <sugardave> congratulations!
Jul 07 17:21:40 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jul 07 17:22:06 <blau-mikeDG> you can completely skip the model and just wing it though if you desire :)
Jul 07 17:24:16 <adns-pre> Where do I start so that I can start following the breadcrumbs through this app?
Jul 07 17:24:39 <sugardave> app-assistant or stage-assistant .js files, I think
Jul 07 17:24:43 * sugardave is NOT an expert.
Jul 07 17:24:52 <sugardave> listen to me at your peril
Jul 07 17:24:59 <bagjuice> How do you guys log on to the pre? Do you use ssh or something?
Jul 07 17:25:17 <sugardave> I use ssh, others are using some new-fangled novacom package
Jul 07 17:25:58 <bagjuice> Do you do a lot ofyour dev work locally and file transfer that bad boy over, or code in ssh?
Jul 07 17:26:09 <A2NY|work> thanks dave
Jul 07 17:26:15 <sugardave> a2ny|work: np
Jul 07 17:26:28 <A2NY|work> you want to try a better battery level meter ;)
Jul 07 17:26:30 <sugardave> bagjuice: I dev on my windows box, then copy directories via winscp
Jul 07 17:26:37 <bagjuice> k thanks
Jul 07 17:26:45 <A2NY|work> where ~actual = UI
Jul 07 17:26:57 <sugardave> a2ny|work uh....sure :P
Jul 07 17:28:19 <bagjuice> thanks a lot for the info
Jul 07 17:28:21 <destinal> sugardave: new-fangled but the daemon ships running with the phone (whenever dev mode is on), where ssh doesn't
Jul 07 17:28:33 <A2NY|work> check out /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js
Jul 07 17:28:43 <destinal> it's what we used to first get access to the phone
Jul 07 17:28:47 <bagjuice> oh i need to turn on dev mode don't i
Jul 07 17:29:18 <A2NY|work> around line 3070
Jul 07 17:29:25 <A2NY|work> change to this
Jul 07 17:29:26 <A2NY|work>      powerIndicator: [12, 20, 27, 34, 42, 49, 57, 64, 72, 79, 88, 100],
Jul 07 17:29:26 <A2NY|work>      //powerIndicator: [12, 20, 28, 36, 44, 52, 60, 68, 76, 84, 88, 100],
Jul 07 17:29:37 <destinal> bagjuice: instructions for getting logged into the phone are on the wiki
Jul 07 17:29:39 <A2NY|work> thats for the meter
Jul 07 17:29:46 <A2NY|work> i am trying to fin where ui rounds up
Jul 07 17:29:50 <sugardave> alright, getting reconnected
Jul 07 17:29:53 <bagjuice> alright thanks
Jul 07 17:30:18 <A2NY|work> i rather it show me a less value for ui
Jul 07 17:30:28 <A2NY|work> thats like telling me i have more fuel in my tank than i really do
Jul 07 17:30:51 <sugardave> damn, my wifi is being bitchy today
Jul 07 17:30:58 <atlanta> sugardave: oh no
Jul 07 17:31:18 <atlanta> i have to open a webpage
Jul 07 17:31:33 <atlanta> on my phone to make it acutally get out of the sleep state
Jul 07 17:32:04 <freetim> You can play mp3s and it should stay out of sleep
Jul 07 17:32:13 <sugardave> pandora is good to keep it alive
Jul 07 17:32:39 <A2NY|work> atlanta, make sure you phone is UP, not in stand by
Jul 07 17:32:40 <freetim> if you're using dropbear don't forget the putty keepalive settings - see wiki      /putty
Jul 07 17:32:45 <A2NY|work> initctl stop powerd
Jul 07 17:33:04 <A2NY|work> also make sure if you are using wifi it is connected
Jul 07 17:33:04 <atlanta> A2NY|work: yea i know the standby part
Jul 07 17:33:08 <atlanta>  lol
Jul 07 17:33:09 <atlanta> stop powerd will stop it
Jul 07 17:33:18 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 17:33:29 <A2NY|work> yes
Jul 07 17:33:47 <atlanta> coolio
Jul 07 17:34:10 <atlanta> hopefully RE on some shared libs might shed some light
Jul 07 17:34:13 <A2NY|work> why dont you just plug into wall ?
Jul 07 17:34:27 <atlanta> awww i do just sometimes im lazy
Jul 07 17:34:34 <A2NY|work> get a puck
Jul 07 17:34:38 <A2NY|work> so much easier
Jul 07 17:34:53 <atlanta> true and i get a discount on them
Jul 07 17:34:58 <blau-mikeDG> so expensive though
Jul 07 17:35:13 <atlanta> i get for about 35 i believe something around there
Jul 07 17:35:19 <blau-mikeDG> cause they dont come with a friggen plug or cable
Jul 07 17:35:30 * sugardave is going to try and hold out until October (birthday time) for a puck.
Jul 07 17:35:48 <blau-mikeDG> i got 3 of them
Jul 07 17:36:00 <atlanta> charges well
Jul 07 17:36:00 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 17:36:01 <sugardave> jeez
Jul 07 17:36:08 <sugardave> I think 1 will be sufficient for me :D
Jul 07 17:36:12 <blau-mikeDG> still need to figure out how to charge the 3rd without wasting $30 on palms charger
Jul 07 17:36:24 <blau-mikeDG> got one for home, one for car, one for work
Jul 07 17:36:40 <atlanta> yea with the Battery life on the palm sounds about rigth
Jul 07 17:36:51 <sugardave> ah, I do most of my "work" from home
Jul 07 17:38:09 <A2NY|work> hmm
Jul 07 17:38:31 <A2NY|work> i wonder if we can increase the usb output on the cpu port to use the stone
Jul 07 17:38:58 <Eguy-Sleepy> I just got 2 pucks, great concept, way overpriced
Jul 07 17:39:04 <sugardave> the puck cannot be used on USB?
Jul 07 17:39:09 <blau-mikeDG> nope
Jul 07 17:39:12 <sugardave> ah
Jul 07 17:39:13 <Eguy-Sleepy> nah
Jul 07 17:39:20 <sugardave> did not know that
Jul 07 17:39:25 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Jul 07 17:39:41 <Eguy-Sleepy> Frugal fail
Jul 07 17:39:56 <sugardave> how about on a regular small wattage inverter (for the car)?
Jul 07 17:40:22 <blau-mikeDG> the inverter i have works
Jul 07 17:40:25 <Eguy-Sleepy> You can hook it up to 12V apparently
Jul 07 17:40:34 <A2NY|work> sugardave, you can use palms stick with the puck
Jul 07 17:40:35 <Eguy-Sleepy> I am not trying it first :P
Jul 07 17:40:42 <A2NY|work> i do it all the time
Jul 07 17:40:50 <blau-mikeDG> the sprint palm charger works great
Jul 07 17:41:02 <blau-mikeDG> ive heard people complain that the stick doesnt charge with naviagtion on
Jul 07 17:41:02 <A2NY|work> how much ?
Jul 07 17:41:11 <blau-mikeDG> $30 :(
Jul 07 17:41:21 <blau-mikeDG> duh to peoples complaints i stayed away from palms stick
Jul 07 17:41:27 <A2NY|work> $26 for palms stick at bestbuy
Jul 07 17:41:33 <A2NY|work> and it comes with a usb micro
Jul 07 17:41:39 <Eguy-Sleepy> I read  you can mod the monoprice cables to work
Jul 07 17:41:58 <blau-mikeDG> the 3 ft monoprice cables work great
Jul 07 17:42:09 <blau-mikeDG> the 6ft, after some random amount of time, the stone and phone freak out
Jul 07 17:42:21 <blau-mikeDG> you get the attery charging, not charging sound over and over
Jul 07 17:42:31 <blau-mikeDG> i tried 3 of the 6ft cables, none worked well after time
Jul 07 17:42:36 <blau-mikeDG> they work fine for plain old usb charging though
Jul 07 17:42:40 <en0x> the sprint car charger for pre works fine for me
Jul 07 17:42:47 <Eguy-Sleepy> I open the slider and then the monoprice 6 foot works
Jul 07 17:43:04 <Eguy-Sleepy> ...sometimes
Jul 07 17:43:09 <adns-pre> I found the html page where my error is generated, how would I go about working backwards to find what calls it?  I did a search for the name of the file within the app but nothing shows up.
Jul 07 17:43:31 <atlanta> FIREBUG FTW
Jul 07 17:43:37 <Eguy-Sleepy> If you splice 2 wires it will work all the time with the puck but won't sync
Jul 07 17:44:17 <blau-mikeDG> eguy: oh?
Jul 07 17:44:19 <blau-mikeDG> details?
Jul 07 17:44:27 <Eguy-Sleepy> It's on the forums
Jul 07 17:44:36 <atlanta> LINK
Jul 07 17:44:38 <Eguy-Sleepy> lemme find
Jul 07 17:44:40 <atlanta> be nice
Jul 07 17:44:41 <atlanta> lol
Jul 07 17:44:45 <Eguy-Sleepy> lol
Jul 07 17:46:35 <Eguy-Sleepy> success: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-accessories/186516-usb-cable-mod-generic-usb-adapters-touchstone-dock.html
Jul 07 17:46:47 <Lurking_Grue> Wow... went to install an app from the store and was told sorry, not enough memory and to delete some apps.
Jul 07 17:47:02 <Eguy-Sleepy> Too many songs?
Jul 07 17:47:58 <Lurking_Grue> Shouldnt cause an issue as it is a diffrent location from apps.
Jul 07 17:48:12 <Binarytech_Work> anyone else helping to slow the net down steaming MJ feeds? lol
Jul 07 17:49:18 <Eguy-Sleepy> lol
Jul 07 17:49:30 <Eguy-Sleepy> It is on every single tv channel here in LA
Jul 07 17:49:38 <Eguy-Sleepy> The traffic is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad
Jul 07 17:49:52 <atlanta> Eguy-Sleepy: poor guy
Jul 07 17:49:58 <atlanta> i feel sorry for you
Jul 07 17:50:10 <Lurking_Grue> It wasn't so bad getting to work today but then I go via the 405 and 710.
Jul 07 17:50:12 <Eguy-Sleepy> It's ok, I am at work now ;)
Jul 07 17:50:25 <Eguy-Sleepy> What time? lol
Jul 07 17:50:32 <Lurking_Grue> 7:00 am
Jul 07 17:50:43 <Lurking_Grue> Going home I bet will be a bitch.
Jul 07 17:50:46 <Eguy-Sleepy> The 405 is so damn unpredictable
Jul 07 17:50:53 <Eguy-Sleepy> Yes sir :)
Jul 07 17:51:05 <sugardave> Lurking_Grue: that shit happened to me about a week ago
Jul 07 17:51:23 <Lurking_Grue> I go home via the 605 and only have to hit the 405 for a mile to two.... Commuting from LA to Garden Grove.
Jul 07 17:51:26 <sugardave> I couldn't recover, had to restore the Pre
Jul 07 17:51:29 <Eguy-Sleepy> I often take the canyons
Jul 07 17:51:34 <Lurking_Grue> Err well to la from GG :)
Jul 07 17:51:59 <Eguy-Sleepy> PCH if I had a shitty day and it is nice out
Jul 07 17:52:06 <Lurking_Grue> Sugar: Crap :) Was hoping to avoid that.
Jul 07 17:53:30 <sugardave> LG: yeah, me, too....tried hard boots, resets, battery out, deleted all apps, etc.
Jul 07 17:54:07 <A2NY|work> water fooler guys =\
Jul 07 17:54:13 <Eguy-Sleepy> well cya chaps, I am back to work
Jul 07 17:54:19 <Eguy-Sleepy> Yeah watercooler ;)
Jul 07 17:54:20 <sugardave> then I almost couldn't remember which email addres I had used on my original profile
Jul 07 17:54:54 <Lurking_Grue> Sugar: I will get this working one way or another :)
Jul 07 17:55:05 <Eguy-Sleepy> Can we get it to say #webos-watercooler for off topic discussion in this room? Thanks :)
Jul 07 18:06:53 <adns-pre> atlanta: Firebug shows me formatting info for the page and files that it references, how do I find what references the page?
Jul 07 18:07:15 <atlanta> you created your own app
Jul 07 18:07:15 <atlanta> ?
Jul 07 18:07:56 <adns-pre> No I have an error from a stock app and I'm trying to work backwards to find what is causing the error to begin with
Jul 07 18:08:04 <atlanta> oh ok
Jul 07 18:08:09 <atlanta> heres a little advice
Jul 07 18:08:19 <atlanta> the html file in the views folder
Jul 07 18:08:39 <atlanta> usually corresponds with a file with the same or similar name in the controllers folder
Jul 07 18:09:17 <atlanta> if this isnt the case then do a search no a string in the folder of the view file name with the html at the end
Jul 07 18:09:50 <destinal> Eguy-work: ok
Jul 07 18:09:55 <adns-pre> thank you, I'll see what I can find!
Jul 07 18:11:13 <blau-mikeDG> anyone like to manually track their daily expenses and checking/savings accounts on their phone
Jul 07 18:12:46 <destinal> alas, too long
Jul 07 18:12:48 <bpadalino|work> longest topic ever! did it get cut off ?
Jul 07 18:14:06 <nebula1> longest topic EVAR
Jul 07 18:19:46 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jul 07 18:21:37 <A2NY|work> well wonderful
Jul 07 18:22:12 <bpadalino|work> destinal, how is the npapi stuff working out for you ?
Jul 07 18:22:24 <A2NY|work> powerd has two precents, precent & precent_ui
Jul 07 18:22:35 <destinal> lol
Jul 07 18:22:52 <destinal> non-english speaking devs?
Jul 07 18:23:30 <destinal> bpadalino|work: haven't had much chance this morning, but I'm revamping my code a bit in afew
Jul 07 18:23:51 <bpadalino|work> neat
Jul 07 18:23:52 <A2NY|work> charging stops at 100%, and only kicks back on if  <95%
Jul 07 18:23:59 <destinal> I know exactly what has to be done I just want to make it clean and usable
Jul 07 18:24:14 <destinal> bpadalino|work: feel free to jump in if you have time :)
Jul 07 18:24:14 <A2NY|work> batt meter in UI stays at 100% regardless
Jul 07 18:24:54 <destinal> I'm redoing it based on this:
Jul 07 18:24:54 <destinal> http://mxr.mozilla.org/firefox/source/modules/plugin/tools/sdk/samples/winless/windows/plugin.cpp
Jul 07 18:26:17 <destinal> note the case statement in HandleEvent, just need one for draw and deal with the draw instance, and then just add more events as we go
Jul 07 18:26:17 <bpadalino|work> intresting ..
Jul 07 18:26:24 <bpadalino|work> i didn't think much was bad last time ..
Jul 07 18:26:41 <destinal> well I want something I can publish that's clean and a base for people to build on
Jul 07 18:26:51 <bpadalino|work> gotcha
Jul 07 18:28:18 <bpadalino|work> destinal, have you got the whole cross compiling thing going on ?
Jul 07 18:28:29 <destinal> bpadalino|work: not yet, I'm testing in emu
Jul 07 18:28:55 <bpadalino|work> ah, gotcha
Jul 07 18:29:03 <bpadalino|work> should work the same .. with the include paths and whatnot
Jul 07 18:29:09 <destinal> *nods*
Jul 07 18:29:28 <bpadalino|work> have you figured out the includes you need to work properly?
Jul 07 18:29:48 <destinal> yeah.  some from gecko and some from webkit-palm
Jul 07 18:30:33 <destinal> mainly b/c webkit uses the standard npapi headers
Jul 07 18:31:51 <A2NY|work> how do you save quilt and start a new one
Jul 07 18:32:01 <A2NY|work> obviously the patch is made
Jul 07 18:32:11 <A2NY|work> but quilt is still watching it via quilt files
Jul 07 18:34:54 <bpadalino|work> PGContextIface.h will need to be included, that's for sure ..
Jul 07 18:35:45 <tuna_> did any ever see this "Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved.  Visit www.palm.com for help."
Jul 07 18:37:13 <bpadalino|work> nope
Jul 07 18:42:52 <atlanta> nope
Jul 07 18:44:22 <gkatsev> after fully charging the battery, seems like cpu frequency scaling is actually helping with battery life, still not quite sure why i had only 9% battery life in the morning
Jul 07 18:44:23 <drnull> A2NY|work: I think quilt is always looking at the patch that is on the top of the series list.  You won't clear out the file list until you do a quilt new again.
Jul 07 18:46:46 <freetim> With cpu scaling I'm still at 51% battery after 24 hours - I typically need to charge twice per day
Jul 07 18:47:06 <freetim> I mean, before the cpu scaling that is.  So I think it's extending the battery for sure.
Jul 07 18:47:37 <atlanta> freetim: was battery life shitty before cpu scaling
Jul 07 18:47:46 <gkatsev> freetim: yeah, the problem was that i enabled it last night, had the pre on the touchstone all night but when i woke up it was at 9% battery life and was fairly hot to the touch
Jul 07 18:49:55 <bagjuice> @sugardave: could you tell me your ssh settings to connect to the nova proxy?
Jul 07 18:52:02 <A2NY|work> freetim, that battery level isnt correct :P
Jul 07 18:52:45 <bagjuice> Anyone know how to connect to the nova proxy using ssh instead of PuTTy?
Jul 07 18:53:06 <sugardave> bagjuice: from cygwin or some other ssh command line client?
Jul 07 18:53:17 <bagjuice> I have an ssh client
Jul 07 18:53:30 <sugardave> you have to do 'ssh -P [port] ....' at the beginning there
Jul 07 18:54:10 <sugardave> so I do: ssh -P 222 sugardave@pre-home
Jul 07 18:54:57 <sugardave> ah sorry, it's -p
Jul 07 18:55:03 <sugardave> it's -P when you do scp
Jul 07 18:55:32 <bagjuice> the novacmd proxy thing talks about switching to RAW mode and turning off line discipline
Jul 07 18:55:45 <sugardave> ah, that I haven't used
Jul 07 18:55:54 <bagjuice> I was wonderig if there was an ssh equivalent needed for that.
Jul 07 18:55:58 <bagjuice> To just get connected
Jul 07 18:56:07 <bagjuice> You just use that one command line and you're logged in
Jul 07 18:56:09 <bagjuice> ?
Jul 07 18:57:05 <sugardave> if you have already installed dropbear or openssh, ( for instance, can log into it via putty over wifi), then 'ssh -p 222 username@host' should log you in
Jul 07 18:57:31 <sugardave> well, should get you to the login prompt :)
Jul 07 18:59:36 * djbclark notes that iceweasel running from the pre is surprisingly snappy
Jul 07 19:00:04 <bagjuice> alright thanks
Jul 07 19:01:08 <uvacav> can anyone calculate md5sum of nova-cust-image-sdk47.vmdk for me...  trying to debug a problem
Jul 07 19:06:36 <drnull> uvacav: c4cf5f7b069bae4f701cfe4bde5af082 *nova-cust-image-sdk47.vmdk
Jul 07 19:07:48 <uvacav> drnull: ahh, i think im corrupt. explains a lot. thanks!
Jul 07 19:08:12 <drnull> np
Jul 07 19:28:38 <adns-pre> tuna_ :  I have the same error you mentioned
Jul 07 19:52:08 <_neural_> hello there
Jul 07 19:53:44 <_neural_> is it correct to say palm-install use java classes that implement DBUS communication protocoll to IPC with services on the pre device?
Jul 07 19:54:38 <_neural_> any dbus hacker here?
Jul 07 19:56:31 <_neural_> can we just call services on dbus directly from a dbus client or there's something that I miss here?
Jul 07 19:58:34 <_neural_> just to talk anybody is listening here?
Jul 07 19:59:09 <sugardave> I'm listening, but can't answer your question
Jul 07 19:59:13 <freetim> Yes, but I don't know the bus...
Jul 07 19:59:54 <_neural_> on the emulator i run the dbus-monitor --system and see many IPC when application request a service
Jul 07 20:00:38 <_neural_> the actual namespace of the application is the namespace choosen for dbus in freedesktop specs
Jul 07 20:01:20 <_neural_> i think they had piggy back on that protocol
Jul 07 20:05:58 <tuna_> dns-pre: how did you get that message?
Jul 07 20:06:03 <tuna_> adns-pre: how did you get that message?
Jul 07 20:07:59 <adns-pre> My phone was in a "Phone Offline" state and after I rebooted with no success I used WebOS doctor to start over.  Well when the activation wizard begins it takes an unusually long time and then give me the error.  I can't do anything with the phone right now because of it.
Jul 07 20:08:36 <destinal> adns-pre: hard power cycle (remove battery?)
Jul 07 20:09:14 <adns-pre> that doesn't do anything either.  I tried all that before I flashed the phone
Jul 07 20:10:02 <Gadfly> Hello all. I'm trying to get fceu working, but I don't think I have DirectFB working. I followed http://predev.wikidot.com/directfb but I get this error: Could not initialize SDL: DirectFBCreate: Initialization error!.
Jul 07 20:15:05 <destinal> adns-pre: I'd take it back to sprint
Jul 07 20:15:29 <destinal> adns-pre: if you mean to use it as a phone and not just a pda that is
Jul 07 20:16:26 <destinal> adns-pre: if you wanted to use it in an offline state you could modify your doctor image to skip first use and reflash, but what's the use of an offline phone?
Jul 07 20:17:03 <adns-pre> I didn't buy it from Sprint, I bought it off ebay and I don't have a Sprint contract.  I was really just tinkering for now.  Problem is I can't even use it as a PDA now either as I can't do anything but go into bootie and play with the hardware diagnostics!  :(
Jul 07 20:17:17 <destinal> adns-pre: ok then you want to bypass firstuse
Jul 07 20:17:23 <adns-pre> exactly
Jul 07 20:17:24 <A2NY|work> can someone help me git push
Jul 07 20:17:38 <adns-pre> and that's what I'm researching right now
Jul 07 20:21:05 <destinal> adns-pre: http://predev.wikidot.com/bypassing-activation
Jul 07 20:21:25 <destinal> it will jump straight to creating or using palm profile
Jul 07 20:23:01 <adns-pre> Already tried that.  My error occurs right before I get to the page where the activation occurs because firstuse checks your modem state before it attempts to activate.  The bypass activation in the article isn't actually bypassing firstuse it's modifying it so that you can use wifi as an activation method.
Jul 07 20:23:38 <adns-pre> I'd either like to make it ignore all errors or bypass firstuse altogether
Jul 07 20:25:32 <destinal> odd, I'd try removing the check for modem state and activate over wifi
Jul 07 20:25:40 <Gadfly> Is there lol
Jul 07 20:25:47 * Gadfly is an idiot
Jul 07 20:25:47 <destinal> you generally want to activate a palm profile
Jul 07 20:25:51 <destinal> even without sprint
Jul 07 20:26:05 <Gadfly> DirectFB doesn't work when the screen is off
Jul 07 20:26:18 <destinal> Gadfly: heh
Jul 07 20:28:58 <destinal> adns-pre: you're saying that with the bypass in the wiki article, it's not letting you connect to wifi and get a palm profile over that?
Jul 07 20:29:00 <destinal> it should
Jul 07 20:30:42 <adns-pre> no the wifi activation works fine as I've done that before, I can't get to the point to where you enable wifi as I get the error before that.  The error totally prevents any user input and it just sits there indefinitely.
Jul 07 20:31:22 <destinal> odd
Jul 07 20:31:40 <destinal> what's the exact error?
Jul 07 20:32:09 <adns-pre> "Your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resolved.  Visit www.palm.com for help."
Jul 07 20:32:21 <adns-pre> pretty stiff eh!
Jul 07 20:33:37 <wmirc> did you try insterting the battery while holding the 'x' key?
Jul 07 20:33:54 <adns-pre> i did not, what's that do?
Jul 07 20:34:27 <wmirc> i think i saw it can force a webosdoctor flash
Jul 07 20:34:27 <destinal> adns-pre: ah, it seems to come from com.palm.app.firstuse/app/views/error/error-scene.html
Jul 07 20:34:42 <destinal> wmirc: he can reflash, that's not the issue
Jul 07 20:34:49 <adns-pre> oh I can flash that's not the problem
Jul 07 20:35:18 <wmirc> he needs to force the modem to reflash, the modem is stuck in offline mode
Jul 07 20:35:41 <adns-pre> oh the modem, now that's different.  I'll try that now
Jul 07 20:36:24 <destinal> adns-pre: which in turns comes from any one of the multiple Mojo.Controller.stageController.pushScene("error");	calls
Jul 07 20:36:24 <wmirc> or maybe edit the txt file in the modem fw tar with the version number to be higher then whats there so it reflashs the modem
Jul 07 20:36:44 <adns-pre> errr nevermind.  You're not saying that's what starts a modem flash....  my bad
Jul 07 20:41:29 <A2NY|work> hmm
Jul 07 20:41:44 <A2NY|work> anyone find it usefull if i can add approx battery life left ?
Jul 07 20:42:05 <destinal> adns-pre: it's either in  checkPowerStatus(response)  or setPowerError(response)   I think which is calledin this line:
Jul 07 20:42:05 <destinal> setPowerRequest = AppAssistant.accountService.setPower(checkPowerStatus, setPowerError);
Jul 07 20:42:36 <destinal> adns-pre: you could try commenting out those as well in your bypass step, then reflash
Jul 07 20:42:44 <wmirc> thats the modem power i believe
Jul 07 20:42:54 <wmirc> powerd
Jul 07 20:43:10 <wmirc> or something like that
Jul 07 20:43:16 <destinal> wmirc: if he just has it not try, it won't throw the error and should continue
Jul 07 20:43:35 <destinal> it's when it fails that it pushes the error scene
Jul 07 20:43:44 <wmirc> prob,
Jul 07 20:44:05 <wmirc> but ultimately he'll need to get the modem online
Jul 07 20:44:11 <adns-pre> should I just comment out that one line or more than that?
Jul 07 20:44:37 <destinal> wmirc: no, he has no CDMA provider
Jul 07 20:44:39 <adns-pre> wmirc:  I can use PmModemFactory and PmModemUpdate once I get back in and fix the modem
Jul 07 20:44:57 <destinal> or at the moment, right?
Jul 07 20:45:26 <wmirc> pmmodem factory wont talk to an offline modem
Jul 07 20:45:38 <wmirc> i think
Jul 07 20:45:43 <destinal> /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/app/controllers/app-assistant.js
Jul 07 20:45:57 <adns-pre> correct.  I'm going to get Sprint service at some point but I wanted to hack the phone up (and make mistakes) before it became my main telephone
Jul 07 20:47:31 <destinal> adns-pre: you could always try changing      if (PalmSystem.version.match("desktop")) {   to                 if (true) {
Jul 07 20:47:31 <destinal> before                         powerMethod = setTimeout(setupSimulator, 2000);
Jul 07 20:47:49 <destinal> that should make it do what the emulator does and simulate Setup
Jul 07 20:48:23 <wmirc> what did u do to get that error? an unactivated pre should still power up the modem?
Jul 07 20:52:00 <adns-pre> I'm trying that now.  We'll know shortly if it works, thank you!
Jul 07 20:53:13 <destinal> you're welcome,  I imagine the wifi hacks listed in the bypass article are still needed but I'm not sure
Jul 07 20:53:35 <destinal> at least you'll know if the error message goes away
Jul 07 20:54:11 <adns-pre> wmirc: I was editing NAM items via PmModemFactory when the phone when offline.  I thought WebOS doctor would also reflash the modem and that I'd be back to square one... obviously not
Jul 07 20:54:25 <destinal> ouch
Jul 07 20:59:39 <wmirc> if that doesnt work my guess is jtag or some direct serial programing (not qpst)
Jul 07 21:00:47 <destinal> wmirc: well, he'll at least be able to get into the OS without a modem
Jul 07 21:01:10 <destinal> wmirc: whether it's this change or some other change to the javascript that's necessary
Jul 07 21:01:59 <wmirc> more than anything please let us know if pmmodemfactory does anything at all once the pre boots and passes all the first use stuff.
Jul 07 21:02:45 <adns-pre> wmirc: I do like the idea of modifying the version number of the modem firmware to force an update.  If I can't fix it I'll try that.    I'll getting WebOS doctor ready now so I'll let you know.
Jul 07 21:04:17 <wmirc> looking thru the java of the webosdoctor it looks like with just a few string changes many things can be 'forced' for example the is a string to set developer mode
Jul 07 21:09:42 <bpadalino|work> forced ?
Jul 07 21:10:14 <tmzt> adns-pre: what happended?
Jul 07 21:10:27 <tmzt> can you get DM access?
Jul 07 21:10:28 <bpadalino|work> he was playing with pmmodemfactory and his modem went offline
Jul 07 21:10:32 <wmirc> not forced but enabled immediately with the flash, no need to active and upupdowndown...
Jul 07 21:10:40 <bpadalino|work> wmirc, ah yeah
Jul 07 21:10:46 <cphelps> wmirc: that's not a bad idea. A hacked rom that has the dev mode switcher turned on might be a nice thing to have
Jul 07 21:10:58 <bpadalino|work> novacom can handle all that stuff
Jul 07 21:10:58 <tmzt> the os boots?
Jul 07 21:11:05 <bpadalino|work> tmzt, yeah - the modem is just offline
Jul 07 21:11:35 <tmzt> it's still on the usb bus?
Jul 07 21:11:54 <tmzt> anyone know why mjg would say the pre kernel has usb offline patches for cdc-acm, does it even use cdc-acm?
Jul 07 21:12:43 <bpadalino|work> mjg ?
Jul 07 21:13:15 <wmirc> in flasherthread.class "string developermode = null;"
Jul 07 21:13:21 <wmirc> and then later
Jul 07 21:14:05 <wmirc> (along with doforcemodemupdate = false and doverifyromimage = true
Jul 07 21:14:12 <tmzt> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/111995.html
Jul 07 21:14:51 <wmirc> if ((null != this.developermode) ...
Jul 07 21:15:20 <A2NY|work> can quilt not patch multiple files ?
Jul 07 21:15:23 <A2NY|work> excuse me
Jul 07 21:15:28 <wmirc> enablenovacomusbbydefaultstage novacomenablestate = true
Jul 07 21:15:29 <A2NY|work> the same file with diff patches
Jul 07 21:15:36 <rboatright> patching multiple files is quits purpose
Jul 07 21:16:05 <tmzt> quilt
Jul 07 21:16:05 <wmirc> etc...
Jul 07 21:16:24 <A2NY|work> rboatright, i created a patch
Jul 07 21:16:35 <A2NY|work> patched the file
Jul 07 21:16:38 <A2NY|work> no work
Jul 07 21:16:50 <A2NY|work> if i add my edits manually... it fails
Jul 07 21:17:59 <bpadalino|work> wmirc, right - webos uses novacom for reflashing .. so it has to be running before it can do its work
Jul 07 21:18:12 <jdub> A2NY|work: patch(1) can patch multiple files 8)
Jul 07 21:18:29 <A2NY|work> jdub, i phrased it wrong
Jul 07 21:18:37 <A2NY|work> 2 patches, one file
Jul 07 21:18:44 <bpadalino|work> wmirc, i suppose i am asking what you're getting at ?
Jul 07 21:27:13 <drnull> A2NY|work: what do you mean "if i add my edits manually... it fails"?  quilt fails?  the app that you are patching fails?
Jul 07 21:28:12 <wmirc> its your guess
Jul 07 21:29:34 <A2NY|work> i am editing a js file
Jul 07 21:29:48 <A2NY|work> before i started quilt i made my changes and saved it with a bak
Jul 07 21:30:19 <A2NY|work> changes worked, place orig back in dir
Jul 07 21:30:27 <A2NY|work> quilt changes just like i did
Jul 07 21:30:36 <A2NY|work> apply
Jul 07 21:30:37 <A2NY|work> no work
Jul 07 21:30:54 <Lurking_Grue> Nice... all my contacts are gone now that I went though webdoctor....
Jul 07 21:31:13 <A2NY|work> your palm profile will restore them
Jul 07 21:31:42 <Lurking_Grue> It didn't.
Jul 07 21:31:56 <Lurking_Grue> Unless there is a trick.
Jul 07 21:32:48 <Lurking_Grue> My contracts are not on gmail or anything like that.  They were restored from a palm desktop.
Jul 07 21:33:39 <psykoz> They still should have by default been in your palm profile which backs up to Palm's backup service
Jul 07 21:34:06 <Lurking_Grue> Hmmm.... Weird.... I did make sure it backed up before I did the restore.
Jul 07 21:34:59 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10430 optware/trunk/make/py-rdiff-backup.mk: py-rdiff-backup: 1.2.7 -> 1.2.8
Jul 07 21:36:09 <destinal> adns-pre:  any luck btw?
Jul 07 21:36:35 <adns-pre> I got pulled away on a conference call and just got back on it
Jul 07 21:37:15 <rboatright> unless you didn't set UP a palm profile when you intialized the phone.
Jul 07 21:37:20 <rboatright> which would have been "bad."
Jul 07 21:37:21 <psykoz> the daily wtf is great today
Jul 07 21:37:44 <Lurking_Grue> I did set one up and did back up to it... It found and restored my email account.
Jul 07 21:38:02 <Lurking_Grue> But no contacts.
Jul 07 21:38:36 <Lurking_Grue> I did at least tar up everything before I did a restore. :)
Jul 07 21:44:18 <A2NY|work> hahahahahahaha
Jul 07 21:44:25 <A2NY|work> i am so retarded
Jul 07 21:44:33 <A2NY|work> precent is no percent
Jul 07 21:44:52 <A2NY|work> typing pre so much.... xD
Jul 07 21:46:55 <destinal> lol
Jul 07 21:47:08 <destinal> I get it now
Jul 07 21:48:53 <drnull> A2NY|work: so is quilt working now?
Jul 07 21:50:49 <A2NY|work> almost
Jul 07 21:50:54 <A2NY|work> i need to get the push to work
Jul 07 21:52:41 <Lurking_Grue> Hmmm... Think it wont restore my phone contacts because I added a gmail account after I restored my original palm desktop stuff and none of that is on gmail.  Damn.
Jul 07 21:56:07 <A2NY|work> ok
Jul 07 21:56:14 <A2NY|work> actual battery precent works
Jul 07 21:56:20 <A2NY|work> now i just need to add a hr timer
Jul 07 21:56:25 <A2NY|work> that would be sweet :D
Jul 07 21:58:44 <psykoz> so dunno if anyone cares but on cpu scaling I was crashing every now and then, I took out the upstart threshold change and went back to default, so I'm still allowing cpu scaling up to 500mhz only (nothing higher) and haven't had a crash yet
Jul 07 21:59:30 <A2NY|work> To git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/modifications.git
Jul 07 21:59:30 <A2NY|work>  ! [rejected]        master -> master (non-fast forward)
Jul 07 21:59:30 <A2NY|work> error: failed to push some refs to 'git@gitorious.org:webos-internals/modifications.git'
Jul 07 22:00:15 <gaffo_laptop> A2NY|work, Do a git rebase origin/master
Jul 07 22:00:35 <gaffo_laptop> A2NY|work, you'll likely need to do a git fetch origin first as well
Jul 07 22:06:45 <A2NY|work> ok
Jul 07 22:06:48 <A2NY|work> i can pull now
Jul 07 22:06:54 <A2NY|work> put when i do git add
Jul 07 22:07:23 <A2NY|work> then git commit
Jul 07 22:07:29 <A2NY|work> # On branch master
Jul 07 22:07:29 <A2NY|work> nothing to commit (working directory clean)
Jul 07 22:13:46 <drnull> A2NY|work: what was your git add line?
Jul 07 22:14:43 <A2NY|work> git add luna/show-actual-battery-percent.patch
Jul 07 22:19:07 <adns-pre> +destinal: I just flashed and booted and I get the blue sky but nothing happens and no input is accepted.
Jul 07 22:19:51 <drnull> A2NY|work: http://webos.pastebin.com/d168bbb0c
Jul 07 22:20:23 <A2NY|work> yes
Jul 07 22:20:27 <A2NY|work> i have pushed twice now
Jul 07 22:20:46 <drnull> I thought you said you were getting the error "nothing to commit"?
Jul 07 22:21:41 <A2NY|work> let me follow yours :D
Jul 07 22:22:03 <drnull> I didn't go to the push step because I didn't want to send a deleteme.patch file up. :)
Jul 07 22:23:07 <A2NY|work> root@castle:/opt/src/modifications# git rebase origin/master
Jul 07 22:23:07 <A2NY|work> First, rewinding head to replay your work on top of it...
Jul 07 22:23:07 <A2NY|work> Applying:       new file:   luna/show-actual-battery-precent.patch
Jul 07 22:23:20 <A2NY|work> and then this happened
Jul 07 22:23:21 <A2NY|work> Applying:       added:    luna/show-actual-battery-precent.patch
Jul 07 22:23:22 <A2NY|work> Warning: commit message does not conform to UTF-8.
Jul 07 22:23:22 <A2NY|work> You may want to amend it after fixing the message, or set the config
Jul 07 22:23:22 <A2NY|work> variable i18n.commitencoding to the encoding your project uses.
Jul 07 22:24:31 <drnull> did you start with a fresh copy?  cd /opt/src && rm -rf modification && git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications.git
Jul 07 22:24:37 <drnull> argh, modifications
Jul 07 22:25:49 <destinal> adns-pre: :( I'd work with the firstuse app until you get something that works
Jul 07 22:26:29 <destinal> sorry that didn't "just work"
Jul 07 22:28:15 <drnull> A2NY|work: I've got to take off, hope you can get it figured out (or wait till one of the quilt experts show up later)
Jul 07 22:28:19 <A2NY|work> http://webos.pastebin.com/m8a0be67
Jul 07 22:28:25 <A2NY|work> ok ill keep trying
Jul 07 22:29:38 <drnull> that's after a fresh clone of modifications, right?
Jul 07 23:00:47 <HebrewzHammer> yo
Jul 07 23:01:24 <HebrewzHammer> no one there?
Jul 07 23:02:09 <A2NY|work> hi
Jul 07 23:02:19 <HebrewzHammer> hey, someone is here
Jul 07 23:02:19 <Robi_> bizi ppl, hold
Jul 07 23:02:24 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 07 23:04:04 <HebrewzHammer> i was wondering, how to you update a patch? but a patch that isn't under quilt. Would you have to uninstall and reinstall, or could you just install again and it would overwrite the previous version?
Jul 07 23:10:27 <A2NY|work> update?
Jul 07 23:10:29 <A2NY|work> cd /
Jul 07 23:10:49 <A2NY|work> quilt pop whatever.patch
Jul 07 23:11:09 <A2NY|work> edit patch
Jul 07 23:11:18 <A2NY|work> remove patch
Jul 07 23:11:20 <HebrewzHammer> what if it isn't under quilt? like, just a custom mod to an app
Jul 07 23:11:29 <A2NY|work> what are you trying to do ?
Jul 07 23:12:26 <HebrewzHammer> i was just wondering, not trying to do anything in particular. How about the simple "HelloWorld" app? if I made changes to it, how would I then update it on my Pre?
Jul 07 23:12:38 <A2NY|work> reboot it
Jul 07 23:12:46 <A2NY|work> or pkill LunaSysMgr
Jul 07 23:13:33 <HockeyInJune0> All this stuff I'm reading says I have to remote in to access the console.  Is there a Terminal App I can use _on_ the phone?
Jul 07 23:13:43 <HebrewzHammer> what if I tried "ipkg install helloworld.ipk"? Would that work?
Jul 07 23:14:10 <HebrewzHammer> HockeyInJune0: that would be cool
Jul 07 23:14:32 <HebrewzHammer> HockeyInJune0: editing/tweaking on the Pre itself
Jul 07 23:15:18 <HockeyInJune0> Well, native apps work, right?  why don't we install xterm?
Jul 07 23:16:17 <HebrewzHammer> i wish i could help, but i dont know much. I would be interested if you figure something out, though
Jul 07 23:17:09 <jdub> HockeyInJune0: at the moment, homebrew native apps aren't viewable in webos
Jul 07 23:17:23 <jdub> HockeyInJune0: they only work directly against the framebuffer
Jul 07 23:17:34 <HockeyInJune0> And that means?
Jul 07 23:18:15 <jdub> they talk directly to the graphics hardware, so you can run them at the same time as the webos ui
Jul 07 23:18:28 <jdub> essentially
Jul 07 23:18:32 <HockeyInJune0> Gotcha.
Jul 07 23:18:58 <jdub> there are some folk nutting out the webos changes to npapi to get native apps working within webos
Jul 07 23:19:09 <jdub> which is how the palm classic stuff works
Jul 07 23:19:28 <jdub> it's just a browser plugin
Jul 07 23:19:53 <jdub> once that is sorted, then you'll see many more native apps
Jul 07 23:20:12 <HockeyInJune0> So, say I install debian, like it says on the website.  After I kill WebOS, will a terminal come up?
Jul 07 23:20:59 <jdub> yeah, if you replace the OS, the palm ui will no longer exist on the phone, so you'll have whatever the other OS provides (which, in the case of a tiny debian install, will be a linux console)
Jul 07 23:22:19 <HockeyInJune0> Well, the website talks about placing Debian in chroot, so you can have WebOS and Debian installed.
Jul 07 23:22:45 <HockeyInJune0> I have to run, thanks a bunch.
Jul 07 23:22:57 <jdub> you can stop luna (the webos gui) and use the console
Jul 07 23:23:07 <jdub> which is how you'd use apps in the debian chroot
Jul 07 23:23:19 <jdub> (aside from when you're ssh-ing in)
Jul 07 23:27:05 <HockeyInJune0> I see that, but does the console just come up or do you have to do something else?
Jul 07 23:31:13 <HockeyInJune0> In the video it shows the guy starting the game from PuTTY.  It doesn't look like you can get the terminal on the phone.  Disappointing.
Jul 07 23:33:42 <jdub> HockeyInJune0: atm, you can't bring up a terminal application in webos; you can see a terminal on the screen, but you must quit luna (the gui) to do so
Jul 07 23:34:42 <HockeyInJune0> Are you sure?  I haven't seen any evidence of that.
Jul 07 23:35:53 <jdub> ultimately it's just a linux box with a framebuffer :-)
Jul 07 23:36:48 <HockeyInJune0> Yes, but the ttys can be disabled or otherwise unavailable.
Jul 07 23:37:57 <jdub> but you have full access to put whatever you want on it, in whatever configuration you desire
Jul 07 23:38:27 <jdub> look at the wiki for various "nice" terminal apps for the framebuffer already available (ie not just the console)
Jul 07 23:38:38 <subhuman> I am running ajaxphpterm, per the walkthrough
Jul 07 23:38:42 <subhuman> definitely not optimal
Jul 07 23:39:13 <HockeyInJune0> jdub, Link me?
Jul 07 23:40:06 <jdub> link to the wiki is in the topic
Jul 07 23:41:01 <HockeyInJune0> I know how to get to the wiki.  I didn't find any Terminal Apps, but you say they are there, so can you link me directly?
Jul 07 23:41:23 <subhuman> there are hacks
Jul 07 23:41:35 <subhuman> no direct apps that function in webos
Jul 07 23:41:44 <subhuman> beside emulated
Jul 07 23:42:00 <jdub> HockeyInJune0: they're linked on the terminal options page, forget what it's called
Jul 07 23:42:04 <jdub> just type terminal into the search box
Jul 07 23:42:38 <jdub> subhuman: i explained that above, but i'm not sure it sunk in :)
Jul 07 23:42:50 <subhuman> I thought it might coming from a second person
Jul 07 23:42:52 <subhuman> I saw ;)
Jul 07 23:43:06 <jdub> heh
Jul 07 23:48:39 <A2NY|work> grr
Jul 07 23:48:51 <A2NY|work> my pre hates cpu frequency changes
Jul 07 23:59:12 <jdub> hold on, the pre has fbcon built in... why is everyone recommending directfb terminal apps?
Jul 07 23:59:53 <Keegs> is there much known about the palm powerd daemon?
Jul 08 00:00:10 <A2NY|work> sure
Jul 08 00:00:13 <A2NY|work> what about it
Jul 08 00:00:22 <rwhitby> A2NY|work: do a 'git log' and see if your previous commit is already there
Jul 08 00:01:12 <Keegs> A2NY|work: looking for info about how to configure a device so that it isn't powered off in standby mode
Jul 08 00:01:49 <A2NY|work> wifi for instance
Jul 08 00:01:54 <Keegs> poked around in /sys/user_hw/pins and taken a look at powerd.conf without much info
Jul 08 00:03:09 <Keegs> well, i specifically wanna keep a led active (/sys/class/leds/core_navi_center/)
Jul 08 00:20:02 <wmirc> adns-pre: did you get anywhere?
Jul 08 00:20:14 <Keegs> in any case, ive looked in the wiki for any info about the daemon and/or the powerd.conf file and came up empty
Jul 08 00:25:12 <en0x> heh I have finally rooted my pre
Jul 08 00:25:15 <en0x> lol
Jul 08 00:28:00 <A2NY|home> rwhitby, will do
Jul 08 00:28:03 <A2NY|home> let me reboot
Jul 08 00:28:09 <rwhitby> en0x: the Pre already had root access on it.  you've just enabled it outside of developer mode.
Jul 08 00:28:44 * rwhitby doesn't get why people on the forums think installing a secure root access mechanism on the Pre is so scary 
Jul 08 00:29:21 <en0x> yeah i know
Jul 08 00:29:32 <en0x> anyway when u add a new user u add password for the user too or not?
Jul 08 00:29:41 <subhuman> it was one of the first things I did after I got my phone
Jul 08 00:30:02 <subhuman> having not really looked into it at all...just stumbled on predev and rolled
Jul 08 00:30:14 <subhuman> walkthroughs looked good
Jul 08 00:31:01 <gkatsev> looks like my cpu scaling failed...
Jul 08 00:31:46 <gkatsev> the scaling_governor either got changed back to userspace somehow, or, i just didnt set it correctly
Jul 08 00:31:56 <gkatsev> so, ill see how it is tomorrow
Jul 08 00:34:09 <A2NY|home> rwhitby, yes the logs are there
Jul 08 00:37:31 <A2NY|home> im confused as to why some stuff pushed buy isnt even in the *ions.git
Jul 08 00:39:25 <en0x> anyway just by having sshd running on pre
Jul 08 00:39:30 <en0x> does it takes a lot of battery?
Jul 08 00:40:07 <A2NY|home> i havent noticed
Jul 08 00:40:48 <en0x> kk
Jul 08 00:43:08 <A2NY|home> 200mA
Jul 08 00:43:17 <A2NY|home> is what it is consuming on average
Jul 08 00:44:51 <A2NY|home> and that is screen brightness 25%
Jul 08 00:44:59 <A2NY|home> 75% used 30-50mA more
Jul 08 00:54:51 <Pupator> anyone got a second to help me with a post-rooting problem?
Jul 08 00:55:55 <A2NY|home> its better to just ask
Jul 08 00:55:58 <A2NY|home> then to ask to ask
Jul 08 00:56:04 <Pupator> Okay - I'm on this step "Enable a method for your new unprivileged user account to gain root privileges."
Jul 08 00:56:16 <A2NY|home> ok
Jul 08 00:56:25 <A2NY|home> whats the issue
Jul 08 00:56:34 <Pupator> But when I try to "ipkg-opt install sudo" I'm told that "Cannot find package sudo"
Jul 08 00:56:47 <A2NY|home> ipkg update
Jul 08 00:56:48 <Pupator> so I run ipkg update
Jul 08 00:56:52 <A2NY|home> ok
Jul 08 00:56:52 <Pupator> but it still can't find it
Jul 08 00:57:12 <A2NY|home> you mounted rw ?
Jul 08 00:57:34 <Pupator> yes - followed all the steps before this one and didn't encounter any errors that I saw
Jul 08 00:58:24 <A2NY|home> so does it update correctly?
Jul 08 00:58:26 <sugardave> you did ipkg-opt update or ipkg update?
Jul 08 00:58:42 <A2NY|home> xD
Jul 08 00:59:18 <Pupator> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 00:59:20 <Pupator> Inflating http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 00:59:21 <Pupator> Updated list of available packages in /opt/lib/ipkg/lists/cross
Jul 08 00:59:24 <Pupator> Successfully terminated.
Jul 08 00:59:32 <A2NY|home> ok
Jul 08 00:59:51 <A2NY|home> ipkg-opt install sudo
Jul 08 00:59:55 <A2NY|home> comes back with ?
Jul 08 01:00:09 <Pupator> root@castle:/etc/profile.d# ipkg-opt install sudo
Jul 08 01:00:11 <Pupator> Nothing to be done
Jul 08 01:00:12 <Pupator> An error ocurred, return value: 4.
Jul 08 01:00:13 <sugardave> ipkg-opt list | grep sudo     makes sure it is there
Jul 08 01:00:14 <Pupator> Collected errors:
Jul 08 01:00:15 <Pupator> Cannot find package sudo.
Jul 08 01:00:17 <Pupator> Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update'
Jul 08 01:00:49 <Pupator> root@castle:/etc/profile.d# ipkg-opt list | grep sudo
Jul 08 01:00:51 <Pupator> root@castle:/etc/profile.d#
Jul 08 01:01:18 <sugardave> okay, so...are you SURE you did 'ipkg-opt update'?  Because 'ipkg update' will not work
Jul 08 01:01:30 <A2NY|home> root@castle:/etc/event.d# ipkg-opt update
Jul 08 01:01:30 <A2NY|home> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:30 <A2NY|home> Inflating http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:30 <A2NY|home> Updated list of available packages in /opt/lib/ipkg/lists/cross
Jul 08 01:01:30 <A2NY|home> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:31 <A2NY|home> Inflating http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/native/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:33 <A2NY|home> Updated list of available packages in /opt/lib/ipkg/lists/native
Jul 08 01:01:35 <A2NY|home> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:37 <A2NY|home> Inflating http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/Packages.gz
Jul 08 01:01:38 <sugardave> ah, I see
Jul 08 01:01:39 <A2NY|home> Updated list of available packages in /opt/lib/ipkg/lists/kernel
Jul 08 01:01:41 <A2NY|home> Successfully terminated.
Jul 08 01:01:44 <A2NY|home> thats what you shoud get
Jul 08 01:02:10 <A2NY|home> doing it from /ect/event.d like you are doing
Jul 08 01:02:24 <Pupator> I only get one of those 3
Jul 08 01:02:29 <Pupator> so I messed up somewhere above
Jul 08 01:02:39 <Pupator> configing the optware feeds
Jul 08 01:02:54 <Pupator> I'll try that step again
Jul 08 01:03:08 <sugardave> good plan
Jul 08 01:03:15 <A2NY|home> dont forget step 8 either
Jul 08 01:04:21 <Pupator> yep, that was it
Jul 08 01:04:32 <Pupator> must have had a typo in two of the lines  this time I just copy/pasted
Jul 08 01:04:46 <Pupator> thanks guys
Jul 08 01:33:43 <corq-FL> trying to get a handle on the webos "Bookmark" structure? I wanted to explore the possibility of creating "subfolders" for the bookmarks, and I haven't quite discerned precisely where the actual bookmark data is stored.
Jul 08 01:37:28 <adns-pre> wmirc: I did as suggested by +destinal (thank you again) and instead of the error I just had the blue clouds activation splash screen but no options and no user input was accepted.  So I'm going to continue tinkering with firstuse to see if I can get around it.
Jul 08 01:40:16 <adns-pre> If I can bypass firstuse alltogether from running then I could get in, root it, flash the modem with PmModemUpdate and then reflash the phone with firstuse in-tact
Jul 08 01:41:53 <Eguy> Hey folks
Jul 08 01:48:15 <en0x> ehm
Jul 08 01:48:31 <en0x> i did like it says on wiki and I cant connect thru ssh to my pre
Jul 08 01:50:25 <en0x> and idk wtf
Jul 08 01:50:42 <en0x> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:222                 0.0.0.0:*                   LISTEN
Jul 08 01:50:57 <en0x> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:222
Jul 08 01:55:21 <en0x> oh got it
Jul 08 01:56:59 <en0x> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
Jul 08 01:57:00 <en0x> ha!
Jul 08 01:57:01 <en0x> :)
Jul 08 02:16:30 <en0x> ok got ddclient running on pre ;)
Jul 08 02:17:52 <en0x> how do you exit from dev mode?
Jul 08 02:18:13 <Eguy> same as rooting
Jul 08 02:18:20 <Eguy> just flip the switch off
Jul 08 02:20:36 <en0x> oot@castle:/opt/etc# crontab -e
Jul 08 02:20:37 <en0x> crontab: chdir(/var/spool/cron/crontabs): No such file or directory
Jul 08 02:20:41 <en0x> woot
Jul 08 02:25:39 <en0x> hmm my ddclient will update dyndns every 30min
Jul 08 02:25:43 <en0x> shoud be fine
Jul 08 02:25:45 <en0x> should*
Jul 08 02:34:27 <en0x> now i need to add it to event.d
Jul 08 02:34:30 <en0x> somewhere or init.d
Jul 08 02:34:31 <en0x> hmm
Jul 08 02:34:37 <en0x> i will add it to init.d
Jul 08 02:34:38 <en0x> maybe
Jul 08 02:34:43 <en0x> but thats for tomorrow
Jul 08 02:35:46 <scyrus> Hi all, I have a quick question - I was wondering if anyone has experienced this.  I have been hacking/playing with my Pre a bit and it seems after I tried to enable the roam only option my radio keeps randomly going off and then back on (much like it does when you do a PRL update)
Jul 08 02:35:58 <scyrus> anyone seen/heard anything like this?
Jul 08 02:36:24 <Eguy> Is Roam only enabled?
Jul 08 02:36:50 <en0x> or maybe not
Jul 08 02:36:58 <scyrus> Eguy: initially it was - for about 20 minutes, but I took it off and haven't put it on since
Jul 08 02:37:14 <Eguy> It will only go back and forth when it is on automatic
Jul 08 02:37:59 <scyrus> Yeah, I put it on automatic, as well as Sprint only.  Either way it keeps doing the radio craziness
Jul 08 02:38:39 <Eguy> Faulty Pre? webOS doctor?
Jul 08 02:38:45 <Eguy> or try hard reset
Jul 08 02:38:51 <scyrus> Doing that now.
Jul 08 02:39:06 <Eguy> Mine is in roam only right now and working fine
Jul 08 02:39:21 <scyrus> webos doctor in progress, I was just wondering if maybe anyone had heard of this.
Jul 08 02:39:57 <scyrus> Maybe a hw failure?  These badboys do tend to get HOT
Jul 08 02:40:11 <Eguy> Mine gets too hot for my pocket ;)
Jul 08 02:40:37 <scyrus> haha, it is a little ridiculous.. but totally worth it
Jul 08 02:41:17 <Lurking_Grue> Hate how precentral requires you be logged in to download files.  Makes it extra hard to wget.
Jul 08 02:41:24 <Eguy> yup
Jul 08 02:41:37 <Eguy> It's not  P|C its vbuillitin
Jul 08 02:41:46 <Eguy> vBulletin*
Jul 08 02:51:19 <en0x> ok enough of playing with pre and apps
Jul 08 02:51:38 <en0x> i cant find the timestamp for text messages
Jul 08 02:51:51 <Eguy> The sprint one is off by 1 hour
Jul 08 02:53:12 <en0x> nvm found it
Jul 08 02:54:20 <en0x> time to go to sleep laterz
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