**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 10 02:59:57 2009
Jul 10 03:00:07 <destinal> you might try running services.msc and making sure novacom is running
Jul 10 03:01:50 <destinal> you can stop it and restart it there also
Jul 10 03:02:15 <destinal> sorry, it's called "Palm Novacom"
Jul 10 03:02:51 <destinal> you're gaining access to the pre over USB?
Jul 10 03:02:56 <destinal> or trying to?
Jul 10 03:03:41 <aCrazyPenguin13> was trying to gain access from usb again as the wifi wasn't detecting the network
Jul 10 03:03:58 <aCrazyPenguin13> stopped and restarted service.
Jul 10 03:04:23 <aCrazyPenguin13> thanks that fixed it.
Jul 10 03:04:31 <destinal> aCrazyPenguin13: you're welcome
Jul 10 03:05:09 <aCrazyPenguin13> now i have to figure out why dropbear didn't start up
Jul 10 03:06:34 <destinal> aCrazyPenguin13: the most common reason for first time reboot having it not come up is a bad mount point for /opt
Jul 10 03:06:56 <destinal> were you copy / pasting the echo >> /etc/fstab   etc or typing it by hand?
Jul 10 03:07:29 <A2NY|home> typing by hand? i type by elbows
Jul 10 03:07:43 <aCrazyPenguin13> short commands i retyped others i copy pasted
Jul 10 03:07:53 <destinal> what about the ones ending in fstab?
Jul 10 03:08:22 <destinal> i'd try:   ls -al /opt
Jul 10 03:08:23 <aCrazyPenguin13> not sure
Jul 10 03:08:29 <destinal> and see if there's anything there
Jul 10 03:08:43 <aCrazyPenguin13> nothing there
Jul 10 03:09:00 <destinal> ok, you probably have a typo in /etc/fstab
Jul 10 03:09:41 <aCrazyPenguin13> tail /etc/fstab?
Jul 10 03:09:55 <destinal> yes that's a good way to check it out
Jul 10 03:10:40 <destinal> look at http://predev.wikidot.com/next-steps-after-rooting
Jul 10 03:10:45 <aCrazyPenguin13> last line is /bar/opt /opt bind default,bind 0 0
Jul 10 03:10:53 <destinal> step 2a
Jul 10 03:11:01 <destinal> should be var rather than bar
Jul 10 03:11:09 <destinal> echo '/var/opt /opt bind defaults,bind 0 0' >>/etc/fstab
Jul 10 03:11:28 <aCrazyPenguin13> yeah dang typo
Jul 10 03:11:59 <destinal> and if you're familiar with vi, I'd remove the bad line also
Jul 10 03:12:18 <tmzt> :d
Jul 10 03:12:21 <aCrazyPenguin13> think ill install nano my vi skills are rusty
Jul 10 03:12:42 <tmzt> or just d in vi (non insert) mode
Jul 10 03:12:50 <destinal> you can:  mount -o bind /var/opt /opt
Jul 10 03:12:56 <destinal> and then ipkg-opt install nano
Jul 10 03:15:40 <aCrazyPenguin13> ok nano installed and i fixed my typo
Jul 10 03:15:59 <destinal> cool, if it's right you should be good to reboot
Jul 10 03:17:44 <aCrazyPenguin13> rebooting now....
Jul 10 03:22:16 <psykoz> hey a2ny|home
Jul 10 03:22:23 <A2NY|home> hi
Jul 10 03:22:42 <Eguy> A2NY whats up
Jul 10 03:23:18 <A2NY|home> tired as all hell
Jul 10 03:25:00 <HebrewzHammer> anyone tried to mod the calendar app?
Jul 10 03:25:06 <tmzt> destinal: get anywhere on sketchpad plugin?
Jul 10 03:26:16 <destinal> tmzt: no, my ISP died and I had to revert to a USB sprint wireless card to route my network through
Jul 10 03:26:52 <destinal> and since then I've been helping answer stuff here :)
Jul 10 03:27:00 <Chris_> hey guys
Jul 10 03:27:02 <tmzt> ah
Jul 10 03:27:07 <Eguy> Damn that sucks destinal
Jul 10 03:27:14 <Chris_> i'm trying to get the SmartReflex to work on my pre
Jul 10 03:27:14 <tmzt> you have sprint card and pre?
Jul 10 03:27:15 <Eguy> Is it EVDO?
Jul 10 03:27:17 <destinal> Eguy: it's actually reasonably fast
Jul 10 03:27:22 <destinal> yeah EVDO
Jul 10 03:27:32 <tmzt> 6800 based?
Jul 10 03:27:36 <destinal> it's not mine personally
Jul 10 03:27:38 <Eguy> Ah, so it must be pretty fast :D
Jul 10 03:27:51 <Chris_> for some reason my /etc/event.d file is read-only...
Jul 10 03:27:56 <Chris_> any way i can change that?
Jul 10 03:27:58 <destinal> Ovation U727
Jul 10 03:28:22 <Eguy> Ah, I have the same chipset in my laptop, Dell WWAN card
Jul 10 03:28:30 <HebrewzHammer> mount the system as read/write
Jul 10 03:28:31 <Eguy> I never activated it though
Jul 10 03:28:50 <Chris_> what is the command for that? i followed the wiki to a T
Jul 10 03:28:51 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: have you mounted the system as read/write?
Jul 10 03:28:56 <Chris_> not sure
Jul 10 03:29:11 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: mount -0 remount,rw /
Jul 10 03:29:52 <Chris_> HebrewzHammer: when I do that and then save the file to /etc/event.d, will it work when I reboot the phone?
Jul 10 03:29:55 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: that is an o not a zero
Jul 10 03:30:11 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: it should
Jul 10 03:30:32 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: dont' forget to remount as read-only though
Jul 10 03:30:43 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: mount -o remount,ro /
Jul 10 03:30:59 <Chris_> HebrewzHammer: ok thanks i will give that a try... thanks a lot. have you tried SmartReflex yet?\
Jul 10 03:31:16 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: running it now
Jul 10 03:31:34 <Chris_> HebrewzHammer: better battery life? what clock speed?
Jul 10 03:31:39 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: It runs great! Just make sure you have cpu-scaling off
Jul 10 03:31:47 <A2NY|home> lol
Jul 10 03:31:54 <A2NY|home> its not doing anything
Jul 10 03:31:56 <Chris_> HebrewzHammer: yep, never put that on
Jul 10 03:32:09 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: I think the battery is better but I haven't tested/measured it. Speed: 6000
Jul 10 03:32:26 <A2NY|home> CONFIG_OMAP3ES2_VDD1_OPP4=y
Jul 10 03:32:31 <A2NY|home> CONFIG_OMAP3ES2_VDD2_OPP3=y
Jul 10 03:32:36 <Eguy> A2NY is the resident expert on cpu scaling and freezing
Jul 10 03:32:43 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_OMAP3ES2_VDD1_OPP1 is not set
Jul 10 03:32:50 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_OMAP3ES2_VDD2_OPP2 is not set
Jul 10 03:33:18 <Chris_> so none of this stuff works?
Jul 10 03:33:23 <Chris_> should i just give up?
Jul 10 03:33:23 <psykoz> a2ny|home, you try a custom kernel yet?
Jul 10 03:33:24 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 03:33:42 <A2NY|home> frequency works
Jul 10 03:33:45 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: i think hes talking about somethign else, this definitely works
Jul 10 03:33:49 <A2NY|home> but all your are doing is OC
Jul 10 03:33:57 <psykoz> or underclocking
Jul 10 03:34:04 <A2NY|home> exactly
Jul 10 03:34:17 <HebrewzHammer> well, smartflex doesn't underclock, right?
Jul 10 03:34:29 <hemna> webos 1.1 release date in 30 days?
Jul 10 03:34:46 <HebrewzHammer> it would be awesome if smartflex and cpu-scaling would both work with each other
Jul 10 03:35:03 <A2NY|home> smartreflex is only changing voltage to MPU and Core
Jul 10 03:35:07 <Chris_> so what is better in your opinion, A2NY? SmartReflex or cpu-scaling?
Jul 10 03:35:15 <HebrewzHammer> two different things
Jul 10 03:35:29 <A2NY|home> both, if they worked, they are not setup in the kernel
Jul 10 03:35:38 <Chris_> i c
Jul 10 03:35:56 <Chris_> why did palm let this go? any opinions?
Jul 10 03:35:56 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|home: have you found out why cpu-scaling freezes the Pre? or have any hunches?
Jul 10 03:36:02 <psykoz> cpu-scaling & smartreflex are supposed to work with each other, palm just has the kernel misconfigured
Jul 10 03:36:02 <Chris_> cause my battery life sucks
Jul 10 03:36:14 <Eguy> Define sucks Chris_?
Jul 10 03:36:30 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 10 03:37:03 <Chris_> Eguy: like can't make it through a 12 hour day with very moderate use, hardly an phone calls, light web usage, maybe 10 minutes or so, etc
Jul 10 03:37:31 <Chris_> Eguy: i also follow all the battery saving techniques on all the sites
Jul 10 03:37:52 <HebrewzHammer> Chris_: well, it doesnt look like cpu-scaling is stable, and i'm not sure about smartreflex. Maybe they didn't want to risk anything?
Jul 10 03:38:57 <Chris_> HebrewzHammer: yeah maybe.  I love my Pre. Hopefully Palm or devs (you smart people) figure something out for us (as in me) winers...
Jul 10 03:39:06 <Eguy> Sounds like a faulty battery Chris_. I get 12 hours to 25% on my Seidio 1350 battery
Jul 10 03:39:28 <A2NY|home> also...
Jul 10 03:39:28 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE is not set
Jul 10 03:39:29 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE is not set
Jul 10 03:39:29 <A2NY|home> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=y
Jul 10 03:39:29 <A2NY|home> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y
Jul 10 03:39:29 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_CONSERVATIVE is not set
Jul 10 03:39:47 <A2NY|home> there are 3 other modes besides userspace and ondemand that are not enabled
Jul 10 03:39:51 <Chris_> Eguy: this is my fifth Pre and it still isn't that good, i ordered a seidio 1350, should be here any day now
Jul 10 03:39:53 <HebrewzHammer> here's the genious at work now
Jul 10 03:40:06 <Eguy> 5th :O
Jul 10 03:40:10 <HebrewzHammer> ouch
Jul 10 03:40:11 <destinal> Chris_: >> 5th << ?
Jul 10 03:40:17 <destinal> wow I think you hold the record, Chris_
Jul 10 03:40:19 <Eguy> 1st one working somewhat fine here ;)
Jul 10 03:40:23 <HebrewzHammer> i've never had a problem with mine since the day I got it
Jul 10 03:40:29 <destinal> my 1st one fine, just a few stuck pixels
Jul 10 03:40:48 <Chris_> destinal: yes that is correct... this one isn't good either... dead/stuck pixels, oreo effect, hot as hell when syncing, the list goes on
Jul 10 03:40:55 <Eguy> I got heat and a little wiggle on the screen but thats it
Jul 10 03:40:59 <HebrewzHammer> destinal: isn't there a video on youtube that can fix stuck pixels?
Jul 10 03:41:06 <Eguy> Yup HH
Jul 10 03:41:21 <Chris_> i wiped out my local Sprint store's stock...
Jul 10 03:41:24 <Chris_> sucks
Jul 10 03:41:26 <Eguy> Sometimes it does not work though
Jul 10 03:41:33 <destinal> I'm rooting for the next palm phone but I'm happy with mine.  no burning me, etc
Jul 10 03:41:35 <rboatright> still on my number 1
Jul 10 03:41:36 <HebrewzHammer> i've been hearing about this oreo effect, what is it?
Jul 10 03:41:39 <destinal> what's oreo effect?
Jul 10 03:41:52 <Eguy> The screen slides left and right
Jul 10 03:42:01 <Chris_> it's a stupid name... yeah Eguy got it
Jul 10 03:42:01 <HebrewzHammer> lol, oh
Jul 10 03:42:02 <Eguy> Like an oreo would if you twist it
Jul 10 03:42:11 <Chris_> oh maybe a good name then?
Jul 10 03:42:11 <HebrewzHammer> creative
Jul 10 03:42:13 <Eguy> I got a little bit of it
Jul 10 03:42:17 <Eguy> Not much though
Jul 10 03:43:00 <HebrewzHammer> anyone try modding the calendar app?
Jul 10 03:43:06 <Eguy> There is no way to fix it though, I opened my Pre to see if I could tighten anything, there are no screws to toghten
Jul 10 03:43:17 <Eguy> tighten*
Jul 10 03:43:29 <HebrewzHammer> is modding chat for this room or #webos?
Jul 10 03:43:47 <destinal> I hope palm makes a good profit still, I worry since this is the worst phone I've heard of re: 1st gen issues
Jul 10 03:43:52 <destinal> mine's fine though :)
Jul 10 03:44:32 <destinal> and the OS is solid
Jul 10 03:44:53 <Eguy> ehhh, I would say solid for 1.0 like they said in the PalmCast
Jul 10 03:45:02 <Eguy> That is what I tell anyone who asks me.
Jul 10 03:45:25 <Eguy> THey are making a profit on the puck that is for sure LOL
Jul 10 03:45:34 <Chris_> I love my Pre though... I will return it again and again until I get the good one...
Jul 10 03:45:36 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 03:45:59 <destinal> Chris_: luck of the draw, draw enouhg times and you'll be ok.  except maybe with pixels
Jul 10 03:46:17 <Chris_> destinal: i can deal with the pixels though
Jul 10 03:46:22 <bpadalino> my volume button is a little loose now .. but otherwise the phone has been good
Jul 10 03:46:31 <Chris_> destinal: definitely not the battery life though
Jul 10 03:46:45 <Chris_> destinal: maybe bad batteries?
Jul 10 03:46:53 <destinal> my battery life is better than my G1 was
Jul 10 03:46:59 <destinal> and similar to my 2g iphone
Jul 10 03:47:26 <A2NY|home> how many open closes doyou all have onthe slider?
Jul 10 03:47:47 <destinal> A2NY|home: no idea, I don't count them
Jul 10 03:47:57 <A2NY|home> i do :D
Jul 10 03:48:03 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 03:48:20 <Chris_> anyone's screen have the "yellowish hue" at the bottom?
Jul 10 03:49:19 <A2NY|home> i have 297 opens :D
Jul 10 03:49:37 <xvalx> Hey guys, am I correct assuming the pre wifi driver doesn't support Master mode?
Jul 10 03:50:17 <rwhitby> xvalx: that's my understanding based on hearsay
Jul 10 03:52:45 <Chris_> well i got smartreflex enabled, thanks everyone...
Jul 10 03:53:51 <Chris_> A2NY|home: are you on precentral forums?
Jul 10 03:54:16 <Eguy> bbl
Jul 10 03:54:25 <Chris_> bbl?
Jul 10 03:54:41 <A2NY|home> chris, smart reflex works with vdd opp =1
Jul 10 03:54:45 <A2NY|home> and vdd opp =2
Jul 10 03:55:09 <Chris_> A2NY: well not exactly sure what you mean by that...
Jul 10 03:55:10 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 03:55:39 <A2NY|home> are you in a term ?
Jul 10 03:55:45 <Chris_> yes
Jul 10 03:57:31 <A2NY|home> ok
Jul 10 03:59:04 <A2NY|home> cat /sys/power/vdd1_opp_value
Jul 10 03:59:12 <A2NY|home> cat /sys/power/vdd2_opp_value
Jul 10 03:59:40 <Chris_> '4' for the first one
Jul 10 04:00:12 <Chris_> '3' for the second
Jul 10 04:01:02 <Chris_> what does that mean?
Jul 10 04:03:14 <A2NY|home> that means there is no smartreflex
Jul 10 04:03:19 <A2NY|home> in the kernel config
Jul 10 04:03:21 <A2NY|home> CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS=y
Jul 10 04:03:27 <A2NY|home> smart reflex is in bypass
Jul 10 04:03:33 <Chris_> i see
Jul 10 04:03:45 <Chris_> i take it you can't just turn it on huh?
Jul 10 04:03:46 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 04:03:54 <A2NY|home> we need to change the kernel
Jul 10 04:04:09 <A2NY|home> opp default needs to be vdd1 = 1, vdd2 = 2
Jul 10 04:04:15 <A2NY|home> vdd1 can be 1,2,3,4,5
Jul 10 04:04:15 <Chris_> yeah, i'll root you the entire way
Jul 10 04:04:22 <Chris_> lol
Jul 10 04:04:26 <A2NY|home> vdd2 can be 2,3
Jul 10 04:04:27 <Chris_> i see
Jul 10 04:08:10 <majik> I just finished rooting my Pre, and attempted to enable USBnet. I typed 'usbnet enable' and rebooted the device as instructed. PuTTy shut down and it won't recognize the Pre now
Jul 10 04:08:59 <A2NY|home> so at this point i am slowly readin up on more docs
Jul 10 04:09:06 <majik> I attempt to run novaproxy, and it says 'novacomd couldn't find your pre. Ensure it is plugged in...
Jul 10 04:09:26 <A2NY|home> going to set up the config per ti
Jul 10 04:09:33 <A2NY|home> smart reflex, ondemand
Jul 10 04:09:42 <A2NY|home> just making sure i dont miss anything
Jul 10 04:11:41 <A2NY|home> chris also see my wiki on battery percent
Jul 10 04:11:53 <A2NY|home> you could loose 5% w/o even knowing itr
Jul 10 04:13:26 <Chris_> where is your wiki at? about battery percent?
Jul 10 04:13:51 <A2NY|home> http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent
Jul 10 04:14:29 <majik> does anyone have any ideas for me?
Jul 10 04:16:26 <majik> I enabled USBnet, the Pre rebooted, and now it won't recognize it's connected
Jul 10 04:17:15 <destinal> majik: try unplugging and replugging
Jul 10 04:17:32 <majik> I have
Jul 10 04:17:37 <destinal> oh and regarding novacom
Jul 10 04:17:45 <majik> I tried plugging into another computer, and it wanted to install drivers  Á¿
Jul 10 04:17:49 <destinal> try running services.msc, look for "Palm Novacom"
Jul 10 04:17:55 <destinal> and stop and restart that service
Jul 10 04:18:04 <destinal> then try your novaproxy
Jul 10 04:18:06 <majik> Novacom is running. I can't get it to disconnect from "devices"
Jul 10 04:18:14 <destinal> the service
Jul 10 04:18:19 <destinal> start, run, services.msc
Jul 10 04:18:27 <destinal> stop and restart it
Jul 10 04:18:31 <majik> I'm rebooting the laptop right now. It's taking forever, maybe it was a computer problem
Jul 10 04:18:34 <majik> I see what you're saying now
Jul 10 04:18:45 <majik> will see what happens after reboot
Jul 10 04:18:46 <Chris_> A2NY|home: so can i enable this patch somehow to show the real battery life?
Jul 10 04:23:36 <A2NY|home> sure
Jul 10 04:23:42 <majik> new question...
Jul 10 04:23:48 <A2NY|home> you can replace percent_ui w/ percent
Jul 10 04:23:58 <A2NY|home> in bar-assis*.js
Jul 10 04:24:06 <A2NY|home> thats the easy way if you dont have quilt
Jul 10 04:24:25 <majik> I just rooted the Pre and enabled USBnet. Now it's asking me to install driver software when the Pre connects, for "your USB Ethernet Gadget"
Jul 10 04:25:16 <majik> ah, nevermind
Jul 10 04:25:20 <majik> found it on the wiki
Jul 10 04:34:21 <sushi2> off hunting dtmf tones again...
Jul 10 04:34:50 <sushi2> if you have found a way to disable them (completely) - let me know
Jul 10 04:40:18 <majik> QUESTION: Setting up USBnet connection. It tells me to assign an IP addy for DHCP, but I have two TCP/IP (v4 and v6). Does it matter which one I change, or both?
Jul 10 04:41:38 <tharris-> hi
Jul 10 04:53:00 <sushi2> is there any way to trace app button presses? Say the dialpad?
Jul 10 04:53:22 <tharris-> any way to make the phone app start to auto dial =p
Jul 10 04:53:45 <sugardave> I think there is, or I dreamed about somebody talking about it
Jul 10 04:53:51 * sugardave has weird dreams sometimes.
Jul 10 04:54:11 <sushi2> the code I was looking through last night says that after a number is dialed, if you press enter, then connect
Jul 10 04:54:29 <sushi2> but that would display the numbers
Jul 10 04:55:37 <tharris-> well u can call the phone app remotely =p
Jul 10 05:03:04 <sushi2> well, the didn't work...oh, I'll find you DTMF tones, and then I'll destroy you
Jul 10 05:29:33 <A2NY|home> ?
Jul 10 05:29:37 <destinal> !
Jul 10 05:29:44 <A2NY|home> sushi2
Jul 10 05:29:46 <A2NY|home> what are you talking about
Jul 10 05:31:08 <A2NY|home> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods
Jul 10 05:38:55 <destinal> ok, so I can draw at arbitrary X and y, but drawing outside a drawevent call is bad bad bad
Jul 10 05:39:13 <destinal> segfault bad :)
Jul 10 05:40:00 <Eguy> back
Jul 10 05:40:16 <destinal> Eguy: drawing lines is fun, I guess
Jul 10 05:41:54 <Eguy> is it?
Jul 10 05:42:03 <destinal> void DrawTriAlpha(int x, int y, unsigned int TriAlpha) {
Jul 10 05:42:03 <destinal>  int offset = (x * lastDrawEvent->dstRowBytes) + y;     unsigned int *screenBuffer = (unsigned int*) lastDrawEvent->dstBuffer;    screenBuffer[offset] = TriAlpha;
Jul 10 05:42:03 <destinal> }
Jul 10 05:42:34 <destinal> then a line is:
Jul 10 05:42:35 <destinal>   for (int y=100; y<200; y++) DrawTriAlpha(100, y, 0x00000000);
Jul 10 05:42:41 <destinal> yay
Jul 10 05:43:18 <destinal> but try to draw when the browser's not asking you to and you destroy everything
Jul 10 05:43:52 <destinal> probably the buffer isn't there or isn't ready
Jul 10 05:44:05 <opie_> what are you guys drawing to?
Jul 10 05:44:14 <Eguy> don't mess with the Pre's browser
Jul 10 05:44:16 <A2NY|home> boobs
Jul 10 05:44:19 <destinal> opie_: a browser window from a plugin
Jul 10 05:44:22 <Eguy> LOL
Jul 10 05:44:31 <opie_> gotcha
Jul 10 05:44:45 <A2NY|home> ;)
Jul 10 05:45:26 <Eguy> Pre-boobs
Jul 10 05:45:51 <destinal> I've learned that you draw inside an NPP_HandleEvent of type npPalmDrawEvent and life is good.  any other time, not so good
Jul 10 05:46:28 <Eguy> Damn LCD's are so cheap now
Jul 10 05:46:29 <destinal> all this relates to http://predev.wikidot.com/browser-plugins
Jul 10 05:47:16 <Eguy> destinal: will any .so plugin work or do they need adaptation?
Jul 10 05:47:51 <destinal> Eguy: to do anything useful one has to understand palm's event types
Jul 10 05:48:12 <destinal> a standard plugin will run but not do much
Jul 10 05:48:17 <Eguy> Don't look at me then lol
Jul 10 05:48:27 <destinal> Eguy: I mean a plugin has to understand them
Jul 10 05:48:44 <destinal> it helps if the programmer does too but most of all the plugin
Jul 10 05:48:46 <destinal> ;)
Jul 10 05:49:30 <Eguy> Like use the firefox wmp plugin for : video/x-ms-asf     asf,asx
Jul 10 05:49:57 <Eguy> To stream in the Video player
Jul 10 05:50:01 <destinal> uh, yeah, drawing, key events and pen events are all custom
Jul 10 05:50:08 <destinal> drawing is pretty important
Jul 10 05:51:01 <destinal> the methods that windows or xp_unix use for keyboard, mouse, and drawing are all wrong for webos
Jul 10 05:51:38 <destinal> you could potentially wrap them and translate them
Jul 10 05:51:53 <Eguy> Ah
Jul 10 05:52:28 <destinal> but the goal here is more to make a terminal client plugin for now
Jul 10 05:52:43 <destinal> not even dreaming flash yet
Jul 10 05:52:47 <destinal> or wmp
Jul 10 05:53:39 <Eguy> I just want to stream axs/mms streams :( I was so upset when I found out I couldn't
Jul 10 05:54:07 <destinal> so it looks like it will be necessary to create a second buffer somewhere else in memory and copy it in on a draw event
Jul 10 05:54:20 <destinal> to avoid massive carnage
Jul 10 05:54:34 <Eguy> Do you know what the LunaMediaAdapter.so plugin supports?
Jul 10 05:54:36 <sushi2> A2NY|home: sorry - wasn't paying attention. I'm trying to disable the dtmf tones once a call is in progress
Jul 10 05:54:49 <Eguy> LOL wasen't that yesterday
Jul 10 05:54:56 <sushi2> still trying!
Jul 10 05:55:11 <Eguy> Hate those DTMF tones do ya sushi2?
Jul 10 05:55:17 <sushi2> just a tiny bit
Jul 10 05:55:24 <sushi2> they cause other problems
Jul 10 05:55:26 <sushi2> like dialing delays
Jul 10 05:55:49 <sushi2> I can kill all sounds, but the helps me 0
Jul 10 05:56:17 <destinal> lol
Jul 10 05:56:17 <destinal> Sorry, I had to leak a result!  My browser funcs went out of scope already!
Jul 10 05:56:26 <destinal> is a message from LunaMediaAdapter.so
Jul 10 05:56:40 <sushi2> lol - I thought that was just you being odd destinal
Jul 10 05:57:22 <Eguy> He always is ;)
Jul 10 05:58:43 <sushi2> perhaps I should phrase my question in another way: what calls the .pcm files in /usr/share/systemsounds ?
Jul 10 05:58:47 <destinal> ooh and this is from /usr/bin/mediaserver:  ERROR: Deliberately crashing the process to get the minicore.
Jul 10 06:01:32 <JackieRipper> sushi2: are you trying to disable dtmf tones altogether?
Jul 10 06:01:48 <sushi2> JackieRipper: correct
Jul 10 06:02:08 <JackieRipper> so you can't hear them, or do they don't actually get dialed?
Jul 10 06:02:12 <JackieRipper> or both?
Jul 10 06:02:19 <sushi2> JackieRipper: so you can't hear them
Jul 10 06:02:25 <JackieRipper> http://predev.wikidot.com/stock-application-mods
Jul 10 06:02:46 <JackieRipper> Dialer / Phone App - Turning off Dialpad Noise
Jul 10 06:02:53 <sushi2> JackieRipper: that only disables them before a call is placed
Jul 10 06:03:04 <sushi2> JackieRipper: once the call is connected, they come back
Jul 10 06:03:40 <Eguy> Yeah, we went over this yesterday ;)
Jul 10 06:05:44 <JackieRipper> sushi2: and replicating that mod in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/activecall-assistant.js doesn't work?
Jul 10 06:06:15 <sushi2> JackieRipper: commenting out the dtmf you mean?
Jul 10 06:06:32 <JackieRipper> yeah
Jul 10 06:07:09 <sushi2> there are quite a few dtmf calls in there
Jul 10 06:07:15 <sushi2> and some are important
Jul 10 06:07:22 <sushi2> if you want the numbers to pass at all
Jul 10 06:07:55 <sushi2> hmm
Jul 10 06:08:04 <JackieRipper> 4 actually
Jul 10 06:08:05 <sushi2> maybe if we take out he audio routing
Jul 10 06:08:22 <sushi2> starting at line 84
Jul 10 06:08:31 <sushi2> I played in here before, but not at 84
Jul 10 06:09:33 <sushi2> rebooting
Jul 10 06:10:07 <JackieRipper> what about in app/models/TelephonyCommands.js... the send sendDTMF function
Jul 10 06:10:26 <JackieRipper> feedbackOnly: feedback
Jul 10 06:10:55 <sushi2> what line is that? (rebooting to try the activecall mod)
Jul 10 06:11:18 <sushi2> but that would also make sense
Jul 10 06:11:31 <sushi2> in a world where the code wasn't so bizarre
Jul 10 06:11:33 <sushi2> ;)
Jul 10 06:11:46 <JackieRipper> the function starts on line 590
Jul 10 06:12:57 <sushi2> no love on the activecall
Jul 10 06:14:55 <JackieRipper> sendDTMF in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/models/TelephonyCommands.js is what actually plays the tone
Jul 10 06:15:15 <sushi2> okay, so if we comment out the feedback
Jul 10 06:16:54 <sushi2> rebooting to test commenting out the feedback line
Jul 10 06:17:48 <JackieRipper> you may have to comment out the feedback lines in the functions sendDTMF and startDTMF
Jul 10 06:18:03 <JackieRipper> looks like  sendDTMF is when you just tap a key
Jul 10 06:18:30 <JackieRipper> and startDTMF is called when you hold down a key, and endDTMF when you release
Jul 10 06:19:39 <JackieRipper> I'm off to bed
Jul 10 06:19:47 <sushi2> night - thx again
Jul 10 06:19:50 <JackieRipper> sushi2: send me a pm and let me know if it works
Jul 10 06:19:58 <sushi2> beeps gone
Jul 10 06:20:04 <sushi2> O_o
Jul 10 06:20:08 <sushi2> where were you last ngiht!?
Jul 10 06:20:09 <sushi2> ;)
Jul 10 06:20:14 <JackieRipper> it worked?
Jul 10 06:20:20 <sushi2> now I just need to make sure it's still sending the dtmf even if it's not heard
Jul 10 06:20:23 <JackieRipper> is it still sending them?
Jul 10 06:20:26 <JackieRipper> heh
Jul 10 06:20:54 <sushi2> sad
Jul 10 06:21:04 <sushi2> doesn't send anything
Jul 10 06:21:06 <sushi2> haha
Jul 10 06:21:27 <sushi2> but we are closer - thanks again
Jul 10 06:22:09 <JackieRipper> one thought... if you didn't already, remove the comma from the end of the line above the feedback line(s) you commented out
Jul 10 06:22:14 <JackieRipper> not sure if that matters
Jul 10 06:22:56 <JackieRipper> and now I'm really going to bed :)
Jul 10 06:23:02 <sushi2> there is no comma
Jul 10 06:23:05 <sushi2> go
Jul 10 06:23:07 <sushi2>  ;)
Jul 10 06:26:00 <A2NY|home> hey
Jul 10 06:26:07 <A2NY|home> how do you get the camera to work on the SDK ?
Jul 10 06:26:15 <Eguy> You can't
Jul 10 06:26:21 <A2NY|home> no
Jul 10 06:26:24 <A2NY|home> it has a camera
Jul 10 06:26:26 <Eguy> No lens
Jul 10 06:26:28 <A2NY|home> i want to use it
Jul 10 06:27:00 <A2NY|home> zlso
Jul 10 06:27:06 <A2NY|home> how do you make calls from the sdk
Jul 10 06:27:24 <Eguy> It doesn't dial out :P
Jul 10 06:27:34 <A2NY|home> can it dial in ?
Jul 10 06:27:40 <Eguy> Nope
Jul 10 06:27:45 <Eguy> It's not a real phone
Jul 10 06:36:43 <destinal> good night, all
Jul 10 06:36:55 <Eguy> cya destinal
Jul 10 06:44:18 <A2NY|home> yes it is
Jul 10 06:44:37 <A2NY|home> Eguy, you never play along =\
Jul 10 06:50:13 <Eguy> eh?
Jul 10 06:50:32 <Eguy> Oh :(
Jul 10 06:50:41 <A2NY|home> rain on the pardae
Jul 10 06:50:58 <Eguy> Sorry, I didn't pick up on that one
Jul 10 06:52:07 <Eguy> I'll accpet the fail :(
Jul 10 06:52:11 <Eguy> accept*
Jul 10 07:07:42 <A2NY|home> hehe lol
Jul 10 07:07:42 <A2NY|home> # CONFIG_USB_PRINTER is not set
Jul 10 07:14:27 <A2NY|home> lol peace be with my pre
Jul 10 07:18:09 <rawdr__> did it die?
Jul 10 07:19:25 <A2NY|home> not yet anyways
Jul 10 07:19:37 <rawdr__> I just lost mine
Jul 10 07:19:45 <rawdr__> hoping it will turn up tomorrow
Jul 10 07:19:55 <A2NY|home> =\
Jul 10 07:20:04 <rawdr__> :)
Jul 10 07:20:09 <rawdr__> and yours?
Jul 10 07:20:11 <A2NY|home> you need the gps sender doohickey
Jul 10 07:20:18 <rawdr__> omg no kidding
Jul 10 07:20:19 <A2NY|home> new kernel lol
Jul 10 07:20:23 <rawdr__> I had that setup....
Jul 10 07:20:31 <rawdr__> but then I swam with it and had to get a new one
Jul 10 07:21:09 <A2NY|home> does the pre swim good ?
Jul 10 07:21:27 <rawdr__> yes it swam well for about five minutes
Jul 10 07:21:45 <rawdr__> and truly, it lived on after I dried it out
Jul 10 07:22:11 <rawdr__> the battery killed itself though.... and the screen was cracked somehow. so I got it replaced
Jul 10 07:28:59 <Eguy> 13 hours and I still got 40%!!
Jul 10 07:29:03 <Eguy> yeeehaw
Jul 10 07:29:17 <rawdr__> wooo!
Jul 10 07:37:40 <bhuey> ls
Jul 10 07:37:45 <bhuey> wrong window
Jul 10 07:41:12 <A2NY|home> ls, lol
Jul 10 07:41:21 <A2NY|home> not even ls -a
Jul 10 07:41:31 <A2NY|home> i have 99%
Jul 10 07:41:34 <A2NY|home> :P
Jul 10 07:41:50 <Eguy-sleepy> Nurburging GP this weekend :)
Jul 10 07:42:02 <Eguy-sleepy> oops wrong window
Jul 10 07:42:04 <A2NY|home> nice
Jul 10 07:42:06 <Eguy-sleepy> :P
Jul 10 07:42:19 <A2NY|home> Eguy-sleepy, when are you going to cyber with me
Jul 10 07:42:22 <A2NY|home> oops wrong window
Jul 10 07:42:27 <Eguy-sleepy> HAHAHAHAHHAHAA LOL
Jul 10 07:42:52 <Eguy-sleepy> http://cdn5.tribalfusion.com/media/1584406.gif
Jul 10 07:42:53 <Eguy-sleepy> LOL
Jul 10 07:42:57 <A2NY|home> After OnDemand governor is enabled, the default OPPs are VDD1=OPP1, VDD2=OPP2. The OPPs are scaled by the governor depending upon ARM CPU utilization.
Jul 10 07:43:03 <bhuey> btw, does anybody know what the specific sequence for validating a Palm Profile is and which files it touches ?
Jul 10 07:43:25 <A2NY|home> db file ?
Jul 10 07:45:40 <A2NY|home> weird
Jul 10 07:45:45 <A2NY|home> i cant arp sniff :(
Jul 10 07:46:09 <Eguy-sleepy> You'd like being arp sniffed wouldn't you :P
Jul 10 07:46:19 <A2NY|home> yes i would
Jul 10 07:46:37 <A2NY|home> arp palm download
Jul 10 07:46:45 <A2NY|home> set up proxy with mirror to that file
Jul 10 07:46:49 <A2NY|home> viola!
Jul 10 07:46:51 <Eguy-sleepy> Maybe with a nice think cat6 cable
Jul 10 07:46:55 <Eguy-sleepy> thick*
Jul 10 07:47:03 <A2NY|home> ipk install w/o root
Jul 10 07:47:35 <A2NY|home> when i was bored in the hotel room i was trying to sniff mac
Jul 10 07:47:44 <A2NY|home> with no luck, now i know it wasnt the wireless
Jul 10 07:47:51 <Eguy-sleepy> Burn your nose on the aluminum?
Jul 10 07:52:31 <rawdr> gross
Jul 10 07:52:53 <ameng> what about the situation on arm qemu emulator?
Jul 10 07:53:26 <ameng> Anyone got progress?
Jul 10 07:53:38 <rawdr> what situation?
Jul 10 07:53:43 <rawdr> like the last conversation?
Jul 10 07:53:52 <rawdr> cause I don't think they were talking about emulators
Jul 10 07:54:16 <ameng> Oh
Jul 10 07:54:54 <jauderho_> is there a list of popular words available via API?
Jul 10 07:57:46 <ameng> it seems like there is little possibility  porting  webos to other devices now
Jul 10 07:58:07 <rawdr> why?
Jul 10 08:00:12 <ameng> cause palm close a lot of sources of the important webos component
Jul 10 08:00:41 <rawdr> unfortunate.
Jul 10 08:00:49 <jauderho_> just got my google voice invite and I wanted to pick an easy to remember 7 char word =)
Jul 10 08:01:06 <rawdr> same here. maybe everyone did
Jul 10 08:01:18 <Eguy-sleepy> nite everyone
Jul 10 08:01:25 <rawdr> g'night
Jul 10 08:01:34 <jauderho_> night
Jul 10 08:01:45 <rawdr> unfortunately I can't find my phone right now.... and can't confirm the number I chose right now
Jul 10 08:01:56 <jauderho_> naively grepping 7 char words out of /usr/share/dict/words is junk
Jul 10 08:02:08 <jauderho_> I wonder if google voice will let me use 2 numbers
Jul 10 08:02:22 <jauderho_> well 2 GV numbers pointing to one physical number
Jul 10 08:05:31 <jauderho_> alrighty. apparently there is something called the general service list
Jul 10 08:08:52 <jauderho_> 420-already is not available. =)
Jul 10 08:08:56 <HebrewzHammer> any new developments lately?
Jul 10 08:11:23 <HebrewzHammer> i'll take that as a no
Jul 10 08:15:55 <jauderho_> DOH
Jul 10 08:16:12 <jauderho_> Google voice only maps to one physical number.
Jul 10 08:16:14 <jauderho_> grr
Jul 10 08:16:57 <A2NY|home> whoa
Jul 10 08:17:04 <jauderho_> ?
Jul 10 08:17:05 <A2NY|home> anyone else getting app catalog not avail ?
Jul 10 08:21:29 <HebrewzHammer> mine works fine
Jul 10 08:21:36 <A2NY|home> yeah mines back up
Jul 10 08:21:39 <A2NY|home> i was arp
Jul 10 08:21:47 <A2NY|home> it requires a cert signed by palm
Jul 10 08:21:50 <A2NY|home> ps.palm.com
Jul 10 08:22:00 <tmzt> arp?
Jul 10 08:23:11 <A2NY|home> well myspace is good
Jul 10 08:23:18 <HebrewzHammer> i wish they would include a changelog in the app store for updates
Jul 10 08:23:27 <A2NY|home> tweed sends over plane text =
Jul 10 08:25:52 <button> twitter has http authentication last i looked
Jul 10 08:26:12 <A2NY|home> still plain text
Jul 10 08:26:16 <button> (which would be plain text)
Jul 10 08:26:19 <A2NY|home> i can see my username and pw
Jul 10 08:26:30 <button> yeah but its any twitter client
Jul 10 08:26:36 <button> not just tweed
Jul 10 08:26:42 <A2NY|home> intresting to note though
Jul 10 08:26:50 <A2NY|home> the palm app store has a cert
Jul 10 08:26:54 <A2NY|home> no cert no access
Jul 10 08:28:40 <A2NY|home> i srsly love grep
Jul 10 08:29:01 <tmzt> strings -n 7
Jul 10 08:29:47 <A2NY|home> id like to add speed to the gps cords tweed spits out
Jul 10 08:44:37 <fatman> Hi everyone, can anyone help me to get root access to a palm pre using ubuntu 9.04?
Jul 10 08:45:09 <A2NY|home> do you know where your novacom file is ?
Jul 10 08:45:22 <fatman> nope
Jul 10 08:45:35 <A2NY|home> find it
Jul 10 08:45:47 <fatman> how do i do that?
Jul 10 08:45:56 <A2NY|home> search ?
Jul 10 08:46:10 <oc80z> YO
Jul 10 08:46:11 <oc80z> whats up
Jul 10 08:46:14 <oc80z> fatman u get it?
Jul 10 08:46:25 <fatman> ok im searching
Jul 10 08:46:53 <fatman> ok i found novacom.class
Jul 10 08:47:47 <fatman> I'm kinda confuse
Jul 10 08:48:10 <fatman> I installed the precomd
Jul 10 08:48:17 <fatman> it's on the root
Jul 10 08:48:22 <oc80z> not bad
Jul 10 08:48:29 <oc80z> just follow them steps
Jul 10 08:48:32 <oc80z> get openssh up
Jul 10 08:48:52 <oc80z> (better if you will be pushing to the repository)
Jul 10 08:50:00 <fatman> oh ok
Jul 10 08:50:21 <fatman> for IP do I use localhost?
Jul 10 08:50:38 <fatman> and for port number what do I put?
Jul 10 08:51:14 <oc80z> just follow them steps
Jul 10 08:51:29 <oc80z> should be 8022 or somthing..
Jul 10 08:51:30 <A2NY|home> oh nice
Jul 10 08:51:34 <A2NY|home> 8023
Jul 10 08:51:41 <oc80z> 8023 right
Jul 10 08:51:42 <A2NY|home> we do have a battery log
Jul 10 08:51:48 <A2NY|home> mucho better
Jul 10 08:51:54 <A2NY|home> no time tho =\
Jul 10 08:52:55 <fatman> it keeps telling me connection refuse
Jul 10 08:52:58 <oc80z> a what A2NY|home?
Jul 10 08:53:02 <fatman> I dont have a battery log
Jul 10 08:53:11 <A2NY|home> updated.log
Jul 10 08:53:16 <A2NY|home> battery percent
Jul 10 08:53:44 <oc80z> tail -f /var/log/messages >> ~/www/battery.log &
Jul 10 08:53:52 <oc80z> oh yeah?
Jul 10 08:54:28 <oc80z> whats that for
Jul 10 08:54:37 <oc80z> hey fatman
Jul 10 08:54:39 <oc80z> !#$!#$
Jul 10 08:54:46 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 08:54:53 <fatman> I'm so confuse
Jul 10 08:54:55 <A2NY|home> lol tail
Jul 10 08:54:57 <oc80z> when you install ipkg-opt
Jul 10 08:55:04 <oc80z> and then install openssh
Jul 10 08:55:11 <A2NY|home> root@castle:/var/log# find . -type f|xargs grep Battery | awk {'print$6'}
Jul 10 08:55:15 <oc80z> and aquire your palm pre's IP address
Jul 10 08:55:20 <fatman> I could access the palm pre yet
Jul 10 08:55:24 <oc80z> could you test to see if port 4444 is open?
Jul 10 08:55:25 <A2NY|home> ifconfig eth0
Jul 10 08:55:33 <fatman> I mean i couldn't
Jul 10 08:57:19 <oc80z> 4444/tcp open  krb524
Jul 10 08:57:19 <oc80z> 6969/tcp open  acmsoda
Jul 10 08:57:23 <fatman> I dont know what I'm doing wrong
Jul 10 08:57:35 <oc80z> we dont know why
Jul 10 08:57:44 <oc80z> fatman whacha doing
Jul 10 08:57:52 <fatman> ok this is what I did
Jul 10 08:58:26 <oc80z> ..
Jul 10 08:58:30 <oc80z> A2NY|home yae?
Jul 10 08:58:47 <oc80z> fatman u log into the palm yet through nova?
Jul 10 08:58:52 <A2NY|home> lol
Jul 10 08:58:52 <fatman> I got the code from git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd.git
Jul 10 08:58:53 <A2NY|home> https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/swupdateserver;jsessionid=LOL?sessiontype=WTF
Jul 10 08:58:59 <fatman> i tried to "sudo ./novacom" doesnt work
Jul 10 08:59:06 <oc80z> why not
Jul 10 08:59:07 <oc80z> why dont it work
Jul 10 08:59:10 <oc80z> ...
Jul 10 08:59:16 <fatman> I'm not sure
Jul 10 08:59:23 <oc80z> explaiaaaan
Jul 10 09:00:32 <oc80z> fatman explain
Jul 10 09:00:44 <oc80z> u did sudo ./novacom
Jul 10 09:00:45 <oc80z> ..
Jul 10 09:00:53 <oc80z> cmon man
Jul 10 09:01:00 <oc80z> A2NY|home why u posting that
Jul 10 09:01:10 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:01:10 <fatman> I did that
Jul 10 09:01:14 <oc80z> fatman AND?
Jul 10 09:01:33 <fatman> it says command not found
Jul 10 09:01:39 <A2NY|home> why?
Jul 10 09:01:39 <oc80z> yeah
Jul 10 09:01:39 <oc80z> so
Jul 10 09:01:48 <oc80z> theres no damn novacom file you are trying to run
Jul 10 09:01:51 <oc80z> ls -lta novacom
Jul 10 09:02:03 <oc80z> you got the git clone webos-internals
Jul 10 09:02:16 <oc80z> ls -ltaR | grep novacom
Jul 10 09:02:19 <oc80z> try that...
Jul 10 09:02:44 <oc80z> ur in the wrong folder fatty
Jul 10 09:02:45 <oc80z> :P
Jul 10 09:03:02 <fatman> yeah i am
Jul 10 09:03:11 <oc80z> ...but if the girls call you fatman, may be you are in luck
Jul 10 09:03:31 <oc80z> well u find it up cheif?
Jul 10 09:03:46 <oc80z> hahaha
Jul 10 09:03:50 <oc80z> fatman is n=hung@74-94,...
Jul 10 09:03:58 <fatman> nope
Jul 10 09:04:05 <oc80z> damn man
Jul 10 09:04:14 <oc80z> im gunna slap you with novacom
Jul 10 09:04:15 <fatman> sorry
Jul 10 09:04:38 <oc80z> haha
Jul 10 09:04:41 <oc80z> are you here: http://predev.wikidot.com/linux-rooting
Jul 10 09:04:48 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:05:40 <oc80z> did you type the up up down down left right
Jul 10 09:05:44 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:05:51 <oc80z> its in 'just charge'
Jul 10 09:05:52 <bhuey> folks, is there anybody familiar with the backup internals ?
Jul 10 09:05:58 <fatman> developer mode is on
Jul 10 09:06:04 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:06:06 <oc80z> so yea
Jul 10 09:06:11 <oc80z> what dir are you in
Jul 10 09:06:14 <oc80z> ....
Jul 10 09:06:20 <oc80z> can u not find the file you just downloaded
Jul 10 09:06:37 <fatman> root
Jul 10 09:06:46 <oc80z> cd web*
Jul 10 09:06:48 <oc80z> ls
Jul 10 09:07:02 <A2NY|home> http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/
Jul 10 09:07:43 <fatman> i am in the "/precomd"
Jul 10 09:08:00 <A2NY|home> ./novacom ?
Jul 10 09:08:07 <fatman> ls
Jul 10 09:08:10 <fatman> nope
Jul 10 09:08:33 <fatman> there's no such file or directory
Jul 10 09:08:40 <oc80z> Unrecognized URL scheme for 'git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd.git'
Jul 10 09:08:56 <tmzt> git clone ?
Jul 10 09:08:59 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:09:11 <fatman> git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/precomd.git
Jul 10 09:09:12 <tmzt> with the " ?
Jul 10 09:09:48 <bhuey> btw, are there palm developers that lurk somewhere ?
Jul 10 09:09:58 <A2NY|home> oc80z, i didnt even recognize it was you
Jul 10 09:09:59 * A2NY|home fail
Jul 10 09:10:06 <bhuey> I've got a question about their internals regarding the back up system
Jul 10 09:10:14 <A2NY|home> yes ?
Jul 10 09:11:13 <fatman> any clue what's going on?
Jul 10 09:11:34 <oc80z> wooops
Jul 10 09:12:34 <A2NY|home> holy shit
Jul 10 09:12:37 <A2NY|home> check this out
Jul 10 09:12:39 <A2NY|home> https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/apps/22/0.9.8/files/com.pivotallabs.webos.tweed_0.9.8_all_signed.ipk
Jul 10 09:12:54 <oc80z> ....
Jul 10 09:12:56 <oc80z> fatman
Jul 10 09:13:10 <oc80z> what new folder it made, just cd that folder
Jul 10 09:13:15 <oc80z> then cd src
Jul 10 09:13:29 <oc80z> cc -o novacom novacom.c
Jul 10 09:13:36 <oc80z> sorry
Jul 10 09:13:37 <oc80z> gcc -o precomd precomd.c -lusb
Jul 10 09:13:44 <oc80z> soo
Jul 10 09:14:01 <oc80z> gcc -o novacom precomd.c -lusb
Jul 10 09:14:03 <oc80z> w/e works
Jul 10 09:15:08 <A2NY|home> so
Jul 10 09:15:16 <A2NY|home> if we find out updrade server...
Jul 10 09:15:16 <fatman> it doesnt work
Jul 10 09:15:28 <oc80z> fatman
Jul 10 09:15:33 <oc80z> if you dont post the errors
Jul 10 09:15:40 <oc80z> we cant even hold your hand in order to do this.
Jul 10 09:15:50 <oc80z> and im not talking 3rd hand you hung freak
Jul 10 09:16:11 <fatman> novacom.c:9:17: error: usb.h: No such file or directory
Jul 10 09:16:11 <fatman> In file included from novacom.c:14:
Jul 10 09:16:11 <fatman> novacom_private.h:171: warning: ‘struct usb_interface_descriptor’ declared inside parameter list
Jul 10 09:16:11 <fatman> novacom_private.h:171: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want
Jul 10 09:16:11 <fatman> novacom.c: In function ‘novacom_find_endpoints’:
Jul 10 09:16:38 <oc80z> ok hang on
Jul 10 09:17:01 <oc80z> im going to start my linux slice up
Jul 10 09:17:01 <fatman> those are the errors
Jul 10 09:17:04 <oc80z> riight ig ot ya
Jul 10 09:17:47 <fatman> has anyone tried it on ubuntu
Jul 10 09:18:32 <A2NY|home> i am sure
Jul 10 09:19:29 <A2NY|home> hmm tweed
Jul 10 09:19:30 <A2NY|home> http://cdn.downloads.palm.com/public/22/icon/icon_6DC75.png
Jul 10 09:20:59 <oc80z> fatman
Jul 10 09:21:05 <oc80z> http://efnet.pe/novacom
Jul 10 09:21:08 <fatman> yes
Jul 10 09:21:19 <oc80z> that is the binary file, download it , chmod +x novacom , ./novacom
Jul 10 09:22:03 <oc80z> and then you can continue...
Jul 10 09:23:01 <fatman> it works
Jul 10 09:23:08 <fatman> you're amazing oc80z
Jul 10 09:23:10 <fatman> thanks
Jul 10 09:23:19 <oc80z> what OS are you running? ubuntu?
Jul 10 09:23:23 <oc80z> bsd...?
Jul 10 09:23:32 <fatman> yes Ubuntu
Jul 10 09:23:34 <fatman> 9.04
Jul 10 09:23:38 <oc80z> (lulz@bsd)
Jul 10 09:23:42 <oc80z> thats cool
Jul 10 09:23:52 <oc80z> CONTINUE!
Jul 10 09:24:22 <fatman> thanks alot!
Jul 10 10:19:06 <oc80z> see hes all set
Jul 10 10:21:28 <seekis> ok guys i have a HUGE problem
Jul 10 10:22:06 <seekis> I dropped my cpu-scaling file into event.d but i didnt remove the smartflex file and now my phone sits at the palm screen after reboot
Jul 10 10:22:11 <seekis> it wont boot any more
Jul 10 10:22:17 <seekis> it just sits there
Jul 10 10:22:28 <seekis> what can i do?
Jul 10 10:27:56 <tmzt> some kind of safe mode?
Jul 10 11:25:46 <rwhitby> call the doctor
Jul 10 11:29:05 <en0x> yo!
Jul 10 11:37:56 <blau-mikeDG> woops
Jul 10 11:38:13 <blau-mikeDG> i dont know what i did with the source to the old dgmoney :(
Jul 10 11:38:34 <blau-mikeDG> i have 1.1.5 in the market
Jul 10 11:38:39 <blau-mikeDG> and all i can find is 1.1.4
Jul 10 11:40:59 <blau-mikeDG> wrong chan
Jul 10 11:43:37 <rwhitby> blau-mikeDG: it'll be in your svn or git repo, won't it?
Jul 10 11:44:31 <blau-mikeDG> 1.1.4 is what i can find in my cvs repo
Jul 10 11:44:49 <blau-mikeDG> then i decided to open source it and clean it up, so i moved it to google code
Jul 10 11:45:26 <rwhitby> has google lost it?
Jul 10 11:45:26 <blau-mikeDG> the open source version restarted numbering and completely broke compatability with 1.1.4
Jul 10 11:45:32 <blau-mikeDG> but then i needed to make a 1.1.4 change
Jul 10 11:45:49 <blau-mikeDG> and i cant find where that went :(
Jul 10 11:45:54 <blau-mikeDG> maybe i forgot to check it in
Jul 10 11:46:29 <blau-mikeDG> cause i need to make one more change
Jul 10 12:13:37 <alphakamp> hmm i have openssh installed and dyndns ssh works fine, but sftp is not..
Jul 10 12:13:47 <en0x> use scp
Jul 10 12:14:31 <alphakamp> whoops i havent installed openssh-sftp yet, tahts why
Jul 10 12:15:49 <en0x> right
Jul 10 12:15:53 <en0x> scp is betta
Jul 10 12:16:21 <alphakamp> not if your lazy, and on someone elses machien
Jul 10 12:16:41 <en0x> i may setup a samba server on pre
Jul 10 12:16:42 <en0x> hehe
Jul 10 12:18:02 <alphakamp> lol
Jul 10 12:18:23 <alphakamp> now thats *lazy*
Jul 10 12:18:44 <alphakamp> though seems how you gotta firgue out how to do that.. not so lazy
Jul 10 12:18:52 <en0x> right
Jul 10 12:18:56 <en0x> easy enough
Jul 10 12:19:13 <en0x> i'm just not so eager to do it
Jul 10 12:19:14 <en0x> :S
Jul 10 12:19:21 <en0x> ok brb smoke time
Jul 10 12:29:59 <alphakamp> hmm where are your pictures stored, doesnt appear to be /media/hdd
Jul 10 12:30:36 * blau-mikeDG is working on his first app to use synergy!
Jul 10 12:33:06 <alphakamp> err /media/internal i mean
Jul 10 12:35:18 <gkatsev> /media/internal/DCIM or w/e
Jul 10 12:35:52 <alphakamp> yeah just found it
Jul 10 12:36:13 <blau-mikeDG> i thinkn i love synergy
Jul 10 13:01:15 <en0x> synergy is cool
Jul 10 13:01:23 <en0x> but I wish that we had an option to set sync intervals
Jul 10 13:12:01 <blau-mikeDG> hey how do i remove a synergy account?
Jul 10 13:17:08 <blau-mikeDG> looks like im gonna have to write a function in my app to clean his shit out while i test :(
Jul 10 13:17:11 <blau-mikeDG> i have like 6 accounts now
Jul 10 13:17:12 <blau-mikeDG> woops
Jul 10 13:21:32 <blau-mikeDG> guess ill just reset this device
Jul 10 13:21:46 <uncorq> I have probably the most obscure pet peeve,  that I'd like to fix myself. The auto-formated text in the email when you send a webpage link to someone? I'd like to edit that. I've grep'd for the phrase in the file but if I use grep searching thru the whole file system, the damn device actually reboots. Anyway, does anyone know *which* file contains that text that auto-inserts into browser "page > Share" function?
Jul 10 13:22:37 <summatusmentis> I don't, but you could tryp grepping through each top level dir
Jul 10 13:22:49 <uncorq> yeh that's my next step tonight
Jul 10 13:22:54 <summatusmentis> that way you're not overflowing whatever is causing the device to reboot
Jul 10 13:23:21 <summatusmentis> I fi I had a device, I'd have a sense as to what you were talking about
Jul 10 13:23:30 <uncorq> yeh I thought I
Jul 10 13:23:47 <uncorq> 'd borked the thing laxst night, but it's consistent with running the grep
Jul 10 13:24:15 <summatusmentis> that doesn't exactly surprise me
Jul 10 13:24:38 <uncorq> is that really so processor intensive or something?
Jul 10 13:24:52 <summatusmentis> well, it's recursively hitting every file on the fs
Jul 10 13:25:01 <summatusmentis> it can get intenseive, yes
Jul 10 13:25:04 <summatusmentis> intensive*
Jul 10 13:26:19 <uncorq> I suppose that makes sense, I'm wanting my phone to be as robust as a my desktop linux heh
Jul 10 13:26:38 <uncorq> I only want it *all* =)
Jul 10 13:26:44 <summatusmentis> your phone doesn't have multiple gigs of memory :)
Jul 10 13:27:03 <summatusmentis> At least your phone does multi-tasking :-P
Jul 10 13:27:17 <uncorq> heheh I know; I'm adjusting. I'm actually pretty imapressed with everything it *does* do, so far.
Jul 10 13:27:53 <uncorq> having bashpodder on here is just a joy.
Jul 10 13:27:55 <blau-mikeDG> yeah
Jul 10 13:28:01 <blau-mikeDG> im integrating synergy into my app
Jul 10 13:28:04 <blau-mikeDG> im so excited
Jul 10 13:28:06 <uncorq> sweet
Jul 10 13:28:44 <blau-mikeDG> webos.mikedg.com for pics, the first 3
Jul 10 13:32:31 <uncorq> those look nice! the money app I could sorely use =)
Jul 10 13:33:02 <blau-mikeDG> im adding synergy to it now!
Jul 10 13:33:13 <blau-mikeDG> so scheduled items appear on your calendar
Jul 10 13:35:38 <blau-mikeDG> wish i could sell it to Splash Data to sell
Jul 10 13:44:17 <en0x> ;]
Jul 10 13:45:55 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jul 10 13:46:26 <en0x> another boring day at work
Jul 10 13:47:39 <en0x> http://tinyurl.com/kjbru6 will this work fine with pre?
Jul 10 13:47:54 <en0x> i'm looking for micro usb cable for my fork
Jul 10 13:49:27 <uncorq> that should. I'm actually using my old Nokia N810 microusb data cable at home works fine if they honor the standard
Jul 10 13:50:22 <uncorq> I do note the wall charger is an RFI nightmare on shortwave radio I listen to at night ;-)
Jul 10 13:51:01 <en0x> hehe
Jul 10 13:51:56 <en0x> bestbuy fails they dont have micro usb cable
Jul 10 13:51:57 <en0x> :S
Jul 10 13:52:10 <blau-mikeDG> oh palm
Jul 10 13:52:19 <blau-mikeDG> a read only calendar lets you click new event
Jul 10 13:52:23 <blau-mikeDG> but then doesnt let you edit anything
Jul 10 13:53:05 <en0x> they said it would do that
Jul 10 13:53:14 <blau-mikeDG> oh?
Jul 10 13:53:16 <en0x> so other apps won't override entried made by other app
Jul 10 13:53:28 <en0x> but u r trying to add new entry?
Jul 10 13:53:39 <blau-mikeDG> like lets look at facebook
Jul 10 13:53:41 <blau-mikeDG> its read only
Jul 10 13:53:55 <blau-mikeDG> if you view only facebook calendars, then click menu, then new, event
Jul 10 13:53:58 <en0x> it has to become rw somehow :)
Jul 10 13:54:04 <blau-mikeDG> it brings up the new event scene, but you cant edit
Jul 10 13:54:12 <en0x> i dont have facebook
Jul 10 13:54:15 <blau-mikeDG> it probably shouldnt let you click new in the firts place
Jul 10 13:54:24 <en0x> bug
Jul 10 13:54:42 <en0x> submit itto palm
Jul 10 13:54:42 <en0x> ;)
Jul 10 13:54:52 <blau-mikeDG> where?
Jul 10 13:54:56 <CoolMatty> it lets you click new because you can change what calendar you're adding to in the event
Jul 10 13:55:11 <en0x> shoot
Jul 10 13:55:21 <blau-mikeDG> matty: not if it starts out on the read only calendar
Jul 10 13:55:28 <en0x> 2 6ft micro usb cables for 2.50 shipping is for 2.40
Jul 10 13:55:29 <en0x> omg
Jul 10 13:56:00 <CoolMatty> en0x: first time visiting monoprice? :p
Jul 10 13:56:43 <en0x> no
Jul 10 13:56:58 <en0x> i used to order optical cables and hdmi
Jul 10 14:31:01 <blau-mikeDG> grrrrrr hit a bug :(
Jul 10 14:31:29 * blau-mikeDG tries resetting emulator again
Jul 10 14:31:45 <joesmith> what happened?
Jul 10 14:32:13 <blau-mikeDG> im tryign to delete an account i made, and it says its successful, but then doesnt delete
Jul 10 14:32:40 <joesmith> I havent tried that
Jul 10 14:33:14 <joesmith> so far though I have had alot of fun with the emulator
Jul 10 14:33:25 <en0x> a lot
Jul 10 14:33:25 <en0x> :p
Jul 10 14:33:35 <en0x> common error geee
Jul 10 14:33:52 <joesmith> Thanks for correcting me
Jul 10 14:33:54 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Jul 10 14:34:07 <joesmith> :p
Jul 10 14:34:11 <en0x> hehehe
Jul 10 14:35:06 <joesmith> anyway I dont have much linux experience, and no programming at all. It is wonderful I have something to practice on before I get my pre
Jul 10 14:35:32 <en0x> u will get an oreo instead of pre
Jul 10 14:35:33 <en0x> heehe
Jul 10 14:35:43 <joesmith> oreo?
Jul 10 14:35:58 <en0x> a cookie?
Jul 10 14:36:47 * joesmith is so confused, is that a new phone :p
Jul 10 14:38:04 <summatusmentis> none of those are codenames I recognize...
Jul 10 14:48:00 <blau-mikeDG> ugh wtf a funcion appears to be undefined
Jul 10 14:48:03 <blau-mikeDG> and i cant figure out why
Jul 10 14:49:14 <blau-mikeDG> sigh
Jul 10 14:51:29 <blau-mikeDG> ugh :(
Jul 10 14:52:51 * A2NY|home now understands why joesmith was always talking about the emu
Jul 10 14:53:38 <destinal> A2NY|home: I've had a wiki page up forever about sniffing the update process
Jul 10 14:54:10 <destinal> A2NY|home: http://predev.wikidot.com/update-service-trace
Jul 10 14:54:40 <destinal> it's not a method for install without root though as you have to install a cert on the phone, which requires root to do
Jul 10 14:54:48 <A2NY|home> why is your MEID blank ;)
Jul 10 14:55:08 <destinal> heh, you think I'm going to post that?
Jul 10 14:55:21 <A2NY|home> even with the cert installed locally it still wont run
Jul 10 14:55:23 <destinal> I sanitized a few fields
Jul 10 14:55:24 <A2NY|home> i have the certs
Jul 10 14:55:36 <destinal> A2NY|home: http://predev.wikidot.com/decrypt-ssl-traffic
Jul 10 14:55:45 <destinal> you have to man in the middle with your own cert
Jul 10 14:56:28 <destinal> but regardless, you're never going to get install without root this way
Jul 10 14:56:59 <destinal> which is why I got less interested in it :)
Jul 10 14:58:10 <blau-mikeDG> i dont knwo wtf i broke cause i used to get a banner at the bottom when i tried to delete
Jul 10 14:58:10 <blau-mikeDG> grrr
Jul 10 14:58:56 <A2NY|home> i like how the ipkgs are open
Jul 10 14:59:09 <A2NY|home> well as long as we have the address
Jul 10 15:00:30 <destinal> yeah, I actually should sniff more of the protocol and make my palm catalog client you can run on a desktop
Jul 10 15:00:51 <summatusmentis> or just a web interface for it
Jul 10 15:01:17 <destinal> summatusmentis: you need to have a client
Jul 10 15:01:36 <destinal> summatusmentis: if your client is a public web server that's fine but palm could try to shut it down
Jul 10 15:01:43 <summatusmentis> I see
Jul 10 15:01:45 <summatusmentis> hrm
Jul 10 15:02:07 <A2NY|home> it would work as long as we can assign token info to something
Jul 10 15:02:47 <destinal> A2NY|home: yeah, I bet you'll always need your token values off a real phone
Jul 10 15:02:57 <A2NY|home> yes
Jul 10 15:03:43 <destinal> my token, deviceid, and email are all replaced in the trace I posted
Jul 10 15:03:52 <A2NY|home> i know lol
Jul 10 15:03:53 <destinal> my carrier is really Sprint though
Jul 10 15:03:56 <destinal> :)
Jul 10 15:04:10 <destinal> I'll tell that much
Jul 10 15:04:51 <A2NY|home> but you can download the ipkg via link correct ?
Jul 10 15:05:22 <destinal> the pandora ipk link in there is valid
Jul 10 15:06:04 <A2NY|home> create proxy
Jul 10 15:06:11 <destinal> the official packages give you an access denied error, they need to be authenticated afaik
Jul 10 15:06:28 <A2NY|home> clink link, downloads different ipkg from it, installs, viola?
Jul 10 15:06:31 <destinal> which they would be if we'd gone through the process shown in the trace to authenticate
Jul 10 15:06:38 <A2NY|home> does it check before it installs?
Jul 10 15:07:22 <A2NY|home> i can download all ipks
Jul 10 15:08:15 <destinal> the only ipk in my trace is pandora but I'm sure any of your palm catalog apps would be
Jul 10 15:08:40 <A2NY|home> yes with out any auth
Jul 10 15:08:58 <destinal> right
Jul 10 15:09:18 <destinal> I wonder how they mean to handle that with the "price" attribute
Jul 10 15:10:44 <A2NY|home> as long as one person pays for it or we sniff out the link...
Jul 10 15:11:02 <destinal> well if they keep the current model, yeah.
Jul 10 15:11:21 <destinal> they're probably adding stuff for purchased items, but who knows
Jul 10 15:14:29 <destinal> actually I didn't check to see how well the browser validates certificates besides the fact that the issuer needs to be known
Jul 10 15:14:51 <destinal> it may be possible to install stuff without root if you have a verisign cert for your server even in another name.  I'll test it.
Jul 10 15:16:05 <destinal> downside is that's easy enough to fix also
Jul 10 15:16:40 <A2NY|home> hm yes
Jul 10 15:17:34 <destinal> also it would be a big security issue
Jul 10 15:18:43 <A2NY|home> indeed
Jul 10 15:18:49 <A2NY|home> brb shower then work
Jul 10 15:46:03 <blau-mikeDG> fucking .bind
Jul 10 16:00:53 <Klownicle> Hello all, have a quick question for those willing to help :)
Jul 10 16:02:24 <Klownicle> Im looking for the novaproxy.py referenced in the wiki, but the site that is hosting it is currently offline.  My google searches have failed.  Can someone provide me with this?
Jul 10 16:04:58 <A2NY|home> dhere
Jul 10 16:05:31 <A2NY|home> http://efnet.pe/~a2ny/novaproxy.py
Jul 10 16:07:15 <Klownicle> Thanks :)
Jul 10 16:07:25 <A2NY|home> thats why we are here ;)
Jul 10 16:07:27 <Klownicle> Working my way through one of the guides on the site.  Figured thats important :)
Jul 10 16:07:29 <A2NY|home> youre welcome
Jul 10 16:07:54 <Klownicle> I swear that DotGame is the collest thing ever, been playing it and loven it.
Jul 10 16:08:30 <A2NY|home> you want the novacom stuff too ?
Jul 10 16:08:36 <A2NY|home> so you dont have to dl webdoc ?
Jul 10 16:09:01 <Klownicle> If im correct, my novacom is sucessfully installed.
Jul 10 16:09:11 <Klownicle> It says Novacom Linux under the Device Manager.
Jul 10 16:09:20 <Klownicle> So I think im good to go on that step.
Jul 10 16:09:26 <A2NY|home> ah you are nix
Jul 10 16:09:42 <Klownicle> Only thing im not sure on is how to get the ipk on the device itself after root is sucessfull.
Jul 10 16:09:58 <Klownicle> But I haven't looked on how yet.
Jul 10 16:10:08 <Klownicle> So baby steps :).
Jul 10 16:10:34 <asedeno_work> Wait... github is down?
Jul 10 16:10:41 <Klownicle> Yeah asedeno.
Jul 10 16:11:27 <asedeno_work> Seems okay to me.
Jul 10 16:12:05 <asedeno_work> Anyhow, thanks A2NY for getting Klownicle a copy. :)
Jul 10 16:12:06 <Klownicle> Ehh, oh well.
Jul 10 16:12:12 <Klownicle> W00t
Jul 10 16:12:14 <Klownicle> Root is mine!
Jul 10 16:12:19 <Klownicle> That was easier then I thought..
Jul 10 16:14:00 <asedeno_work> I tend to do file transfers by way of /mnt/internal.
Jul 10 16:14:30 <asedeno_work> mount as a USB drive, copy files from PC, eject usb drive (no need to unplug the pre, and it doesn't affect the root shell over novaproxy)
Jul 10 16:15:02 <Klownicle> I may be a computer tech for a living, but im a basic user when it comes to linux.
Jul 10 16:15:06 <sushi2> asedeno_work: once you have dropbear installed, you can use winscp (or any other scp app) to connect and copy files
Jul 10 16:15:09 <Klownicle> How do I mount it as a usb drive?
Jul 10 16:16:23 <asedeno_work> When the pre is plugged in over USB, it should give you charge/media-sync/usb drive options (not in that order)
Jul 10 16:16:35 <Klownicle> ahh
Jul 10 16:16:47 <asedeno_work> sushi2: Yeah, I know. I still haven't bothered with dropbear or openssh.
Jul 10 16:16:50 <Klownicle> I was thinking it was somthing I ran under root, the hole moutning then lol
Jul 10 16:17:13 <Klownicle> So I can just change those settings on the pre on the fly when logged into root?  No harm no foul?
Jul 10 16:17:37 <asedeno_work> sushi2: I'm more interested in using the pre as an ssh client than an ssh server. At some point I might change my mind.
Jul 10 16:17:45 <asedeno_work> Klownicle: yep.
Jul 10 16:18:10 <asedeno_work> just don't be in /mnt/internal when you switch.
Jul 10 16:18:22 <sushi2> asedeno_work: I hear you. But having dropbear installed for quick Putty access at any time (without leaving developer mode open) is great
Jul 10 16:18:41 <Klownicle> well I changed it, and the pre doesn't show up under my computer. (yeah I wasn't under mnt/internal)
Jul 10 16:18:44 <asedeno_work> Sure, if I ever turn off developer mode. :)
Jul 10 16:18:55 <Klownicle> err
Jul 10 16:19:05 <Klownicle> never mind it didn't show as my normal letter its there :-D
Jul 10 16:19:11 <sushi2> hahaha - just hope no one finds your Pre on the net then
Jul 10 16:19:17 <sushi2> there isn't any firewall to speak of
Jul 10 16:20:56 <Klownicle> asedeno, where exactly is the mounted drive located on the file system of the pre?
Jul 10 16:21:11 <sushi2> media/internal
Jul 10 16:21:22 <asedeno_work> Oh, right, /media not /mnt
Jul 10 16:21:56 <Klownicle> is it the downloads folder on my disk drive or somthing (becuase its empty lol)
Jul 10 16:22:14 <sushi2> windows or mac klownicle?
Jul 10 16:22:18 <Klownicle> Windows.
Jul 10 16:22:25 <sushi2> Then it should appear as a drive letter
Jul 10 16:22:34 <Klownicle> Yeah it is.
Jul 10 16:22:49 <Klownicle> E:.. got my DCIM, developer, downloads etc etc showing.
Jul 10 16:22:55 <sushi2> there you go
Jul 10 16:23:04 <Klownicle> But lookin for it on the putty session, inside media/internal is empty.
Jul 10 16:23:17 <asedeno_work> you have to eject it first.
Jul 10 16:23:26 <A2NY|home-MIA> it remounts it
Jul 10 16:23:27 <asedeno_work> It will only show up on the PC OR on the Pre.
Jul 10 16:23:44 <A2NY|home-MIA> check out user/lib/storaged
Jul 10 16:23:53 <sushi2> which is why using a SSH server (like dropbear) and a SCP client (like winSCP) is more efficient. =)
Jul 10 16:23:54 <Klownicle> Ahh, so the root of my E: drive is the root of media/internal ?
Jul 10 16:23:55 <A2NY|home-MIA> diskmode on/off media
Jul 10 16:24:15 <Klownicle> But only when the PC isn't reading the pre as a disk drive will it show under putty?
Jul 10 16:24:25 <A2NY|home-MIA> yes
Jul 10 16:24:33 <A2NY|home-MIA> bbiab
Jul 10 16:24:43 <sushi2> not to mention that you can still make calls if you aren't in disk mode
Jul 10 16:25:23 <Klownicle> hey there is is!
Jul 10 16:25:25 <Klownicle> Thanks!
Jul 10 16:25:32 <Klownicle> Ok now to install the ipk..,
Jul 10 16:25:55 <joesmith> hey
Jul 10 16:26:51 <Klownicle> sushi care to give me some insight on getting a ipk installed ?
Jul 10 16:27:10 <sushi2> check out precentral.net
Jul 10 16:27:17 <sushi2> there are several examples of installing applications there
Jul 10 16:27:28 <sushi2> (as there are a few ways of doing this)
Jul 10 16:27:50 <sushi2> practice with a couple of the available homebrew apps
Jul 10 16:27:50 <Klownicle> The app im trying to install requires root.
Jul 10 16:28:02 <Klownicle> I already installed the dotGame, its sweet.
Jul 10 16:28:06 <sushi2> what's the app?
Jul 10 16:28:33 <Klownicle> its the org.webosinternals.services
Jul 10 16:29:23 <Klownicle> Which btw, there arn't any downsides to installing what I assume is a service that runs on the pre...
Jul 10 16:29:23 <sushi2> this link contains part of those instructions: http://forums.precentral.net/1735750-post1.html
Jul 10 16:29:34 <Klownicle> Such as battery?
Jul 10 16:29:35 <sushi2> we can't talk about the link though
Jul 10 16:29:43 <Klownicle> Kinda like fight club?
Jul 10 16:29:47 <sushi2> sort of ;)
Jul 10 16:30:33 <Klownicle> Oh wait duh..
Jul 10 16:30:40 <Klownicle> I saw that eariler.
Jul 10 16:30:45 <joesmith350> first rule of fight club is to share a link to fight club, where you can talk about fight club http://chat.efnet.org/irc.cgi?chan=%23webosdev
Jul 10 16:31:21 <Klownicle> LOL
Jul 10 16:31:27 <Klownicle> Thats great.
Jul 10 16:31:45 <sushi2> ;)
Jul 10 16:31:59 <Klownicle> When I have a application installed.  If a updated version of that application comes out.  and I want to update my application, do I need to uninstall the old version first?
Jul 10 16:32:25 <sushi2> depends on the app
Jul 10 16:32:32 <summatusmentis> guys, that was cleverly done, let's keep from posting the forum link in the future ok?
Jul 10 16:32:34 <sushi2> but most that I've tried you just install over the top
Jul 10 16:32:52 <Klownicle> And usually they maker will mention it in the properties of the app?
Jul 10 16:33:19 <sushi2> summatusmentis: No intent to bypass the rules, certainly. But it did contain an excellent example of how to install the internals he was looking for (unless that is taboo as well)
Jul 10 16:33:19 <Klownicle> Are there any differences to installing a app under root rather than freely installed "natively".
Jul 10 16:33:43 <sushi2> summatusmentis: Point taken, however
Jul 10 16:37:11 <summatusmentis> sushi2: that's fair, just being careful :)
Jul 10 16:37:17 <summatusmentis> not a big deal
Jul 10 16:37:24 <sushi2> indeed
Jul 10 16:37:47 <Klownicle> Don't want to upset the gods :D
Jul 10 16:39:30 <sushi2> grumble - can't find how to control playDTMF
Jul 10 16:40:34 <summatusmentis> Klownicle: I'm hardly a god :)
Jul 10 16:40:35 <sushi2> if I comment out the feedbackOnly line from TelephonyCommands.js, then I lose all DTMF capabilities
Jul 10 16:40:49 <summatusmentis> but if you wanna call Palm a god, by all means -P
Jul 10 16:40:51 <summatusmentis> :P
Jul 10 16:40:52 <sushi2> but what I want is to disable the playback of DTMF tones when a call is in session
Jul 10 16:40:56 <summatusmentis> I can't type, I quit
Jul 10 16:40:59 <sushi2> but still have them pass
Jul 10 16:41:00 <sushi2> sigh
Jul 10 16:41:35 * sushi2 sticks his fingers into the DTMF code and swirls it around a little more, hoping for a patter.
Jul 10 16:41:54 <sushi2> I quit too. That was pattern.
Jul 10 16:42:00 <rawdr> anyone know if anybody has looked into removing the quicklaunch bar at the bottom?
Jul 10 16:42:50 <summatusmentis> rawdr: I believe someone was working on "hide it until you slide it up yourself"
Jul 10 16:44:23 <sushi2> let me ask this: does anyone know where how the .pcm files in /usr/share/systemsounds are triggered?
Jul 10 16:44:34 <Klownicle> Yeah I was refering to palm, but not to crush your hopes or somthing lol
Jul 10 16:44:51 <Klownicle> Are there any differences to installing a app under root rather than freely installed "natively"?
Jul 10 16:51:10 <seekis> if my pre is stuck on the palm boot screen is there anything i can do to fix it?
Jul 10 16:52:24 <A2NY|work-MIA> stuck?
Jul 10 16:52:37 <seekis> yeah wont bot
Jul 10 16:52:42 <seekis> boot*
Jul 10 16:52:52 <A2NY|work> don't overclock.
Jul 10 16:53:48 <seekis> i cant get in to del the scaling file
Jul 10 16:54:38 <sushi2> Palm - why did you make the dtmf tones trigger from more than one location...fyi: the /usr/share/systemsounds does not affect the in-call dtmf tones
Jul 10 16:55:27 <seekis> it just sits at the palm screen
Jul 10 16:55:34 <A2NY|work> no blinking>
Jul 10 16:55:47 <A2NY|work> flasing i should say of the logo ?
Jul 10 16:56:29 <seekis> no blinking
Jul 10 16:59:23 <seekis> is there any way to force reflash without dev mode on
Jul 10 16:59:41 <seekis> cuz my phone just sits at the boot screen
Jul 10 17:00:35 <sugardave> not sure if you're going to be able to mute DTMF AND send it down the line
Jul 10 17:00:57 <blau-mikeDG> seekis, use the doctor
Jul 10 17:01:21 <seekis> it says the phone is not attatched
Jul 10 17:01:31 <sugardave> the receiving system needs to "hear" the DTMF...unless I've misunderstood what you're trying to accomplish
Jul 10 17:01:54 <sushi2> sugardave: You are correct. But other OS' accomplish this.
Jul 10 17:02:28 <sushi2> sugardave: So either it's a poor implementation of DTMF (ie, passing it back to the user, when it just needs to go to the system), or there is a way to disable it
Jul 10 17:02:30 <sugardave> sushi2: interesting, what you might have to do is mute the speaker
Jul 10 17:03:02 <sugardave> but what I'm saying is that if the receiving system "hears" it you are going to hear it, too
Jul 10 17:03:10 <sushi2> not true
Jul 10 17:03:34 <sushi2> The Sprint WinMo phone I have doesn't do this
Jul 10 17:04:22 <sugardave> how can you trigger an action on a remote system via DTMF without actually seding the tone down the line (both parties will hear)?
Jul 10 17:06:01 <Eguy-sleepy> http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/palm-pre-seeming-hacked-and-running-on-verizon/ :)
Jul 10 17:06:22 <A2NY|pre> big deal
Jul 10 17:07:46 <A2NY|pre> pay sprint price, roam on verizon.
Jul 10 17:08:03 <sushi2> sugardave: it looks like they are just passing the tones to the third party, but not passing them back to the local phone speaker/headset
Jul 10 17:09:09 <sugardave> sushi: weird, I didn't think that was possible....maybe so if you exclude POTS lines?  Hmm, I dropped out of the phreaking scene too early :D
Jul 10 17:09:19 <sushi2> hahah
Jul 10 17:10:07 <sushi2> sugardave: just tested it on a sprint touch diamond. I have the tones disabled on that phone (so you don't hear them locally). But when I call the house line and press digits, I hear those DTMF tones on the house line, but not through the cell phone speaker
Jul 10 17:10:27 <sugardave> cool, learned something (else) new today :D
Jul 10 17:11:12 <sugardave> I guess that is a pretty handy feature
Jul 10 17:11:33 * sugardave never could identify numbers by DTMF but knows other people who can.
Jul 10 17:12:57 <blau-mikeDG> yeah i know everyons voicemail passwords
Jul 10 17:13:01 <sushi2> this may be beyond my powers for now - I think it's going to take more coding then I have the mad skillz for
Jul 10 17:13:24 <blau-mikeDG> how long till we can get a phone that runs as fast as the emulator
Jul 10 17:13:32 <sushi2> blau-mikeDG: Great. Then you are on call. Please listen to each of my VMs, transcribe them, and send them as text.
Jul 10 17:13:36 <tharris> morning
Jul 10 17:14:53 <sugardave> haha
Jul 10 18:01:08 <christophercomp> hey guys
Jul 10 18:01:41 <christophercomp> i had the "smartreflex" enabled on my phone, that A2NY says doesn't work anyways without a custom kernel...
Jul 10 18:01:58 <christophercomp> I noticed absolutely NO differences in battery life with it on
Jul 10 18:02:30 <christophercomp> The guys at PreCentral think that it actually works... I wonder if someone should enlighten them?
Jul 10 18:17:50 <A2NY|pre> http://webos.pastebin.com/f737dafee
Jul 10 18:19:11 <A2NY|pre> highlighted is how our proc is setup
Jul 10 18:19:30 <A2NY|pre> Voltage scaling using VSEL writes (default mode)
Jul 10 18:19:35 <A2NY|pre> that is for voltage scaling
Jul 10 18:19:42 <A2NY|pre> voltage scaling is used with ondemand
Jul 10 18:21:12 <A2NY|pre> and it is kind of hard to use voltage scaling when it is in BYPASS
Jul 10 18:26:05 <christophercomp> lol
Jul 10 18:26:23 <A2NY|pre> kernel needs to be made to enable this
Jul 10 18:26:34 <christophercomp> A2NY|pre: what do you think is going to be in 1.1 update?
Jul 10 18:26:49 <christophercomp> other than the exchange stuff?
Jul 10 18:27:37 <A2NY|pre> id love to comment
Jul 10 18:27:40 <A2NY|pre> but what do i want?
Jul 10 18:27:51 <A2NY|pre> if you have time check out the power of the OMAP3430
Jul 10 18:28:14 <christophercomp> is that the processor that is in the Pre?
Jul 10 18:28:27 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 10 18:28:34 <christophercomp> hmmm i will check it out then
Jul 10 18:28:46 <A2NY|pre> there is a 32khz power management part that isnt even enabled in the kernel
Jul 10 18:28:53 <christophercomp> if i could just fix my stupid battery life...
Jul 10 18:29:00 <christophercomp> well maybe that would do it
Jul 10 18:29:09 <christophercomp> why don't they enable all of this yet?
Jul 10 18:29:21 <A2NY|pre> are you having problems
Jul 10 18:29:24 <A2NY|pre> ?
Jul 10 18:29:38 <christophercomp> yeah, i am Chris_ from last night
Jul 10 18:29:43 <A2NY|pre> oh ok
Jul 10 18:29:48 <christophercomp> this will be my nick from now on
Jul 10 18:30:01 <A2NY|pre> can you ssh in to your pre ?
Jul 10 18:30:15 <A2NY|pre> and when was the last time it was on the charger ?
Jul 10 18:30:37 <christophercomp> yeah... 2 hours sitting in my house today with decent reception, no activity really other than checking power, lost 10%
Jul 10 18:30:45 <christophercomp> charger was on all night
Jul 10 18:31:09 <christophercomp> i am not sure if i can ssh... i know that I can access it through term though
Jul 10 18:31:26 <A2NY|pre> get into it
Jul 10 18:31:40 <christophercomp> ok one sec
Jul 10 18:32:57 <christophercomp> ok. i am in
Jul 10 18:36:16 <christophercomp> so what now?
Jul 10 18:39:39 <A2NY|pre> grep BATTERY: /var/log/messages
Jul 10 18:40:44 <christophercomp> ok
Jul 10 18:40:50 <A2NY|pre> webos.pastebin.com
Jul 10 18:40:57 <A2NY|pre> copypasta
Jul 10 18:43:52 <christophercomp> ok. it's up
Jul 10 18:45:52 <Bsims> Hrm any opinions on the extended battery for the pre?
Jul 10 18:47:33 <christophercomp> A2NY|pre: is this log normal?
Jul 10 18:48:09 <A2NY|pre> look find
Jul 10 18:48:10 <A2NY|pre> fine
Jul 10 18:48:18 <A2NY|pre> i highlighted your usage off the charger
Jul 10 18:48:29 <christophercomp> so i'm just a winer, huh?
Jul 10 18:48:56 <A2NY|pre> screen brightness? email check?
Jul 10 18:49:04 <A2NY|pre> check my usage to compare
Jul 10 18:49:38 <A2NY|pre> http://predev.wikidot.com/show-actual-battery-percent
Jul 10 18:49:42 <christophercomp> screen brightness loweset setting timeout in 30 seconds, email: one account (gamil) set to push...
Jul 10 18:49:42 <A2NY|pre> Battery Usage over Time
Jul 10 18:49:52 <A2NY|pre> this was yeterday
Jul 10 18:50:44 <christophercomp> so that is about 10 hours down to 22%
Jul 10 18:50:54 <christophercomp> extended battery?
Jul 10 18:50:58 <A2NY|pre> nope
Jul 10 18:50:58 <christophercomp> or stock?
Jul 10 18:51:13 <A2NY|pre> constant texting and web use
Jul 10 18:51:19 <christophercomp> hmmm... so I guess i just need to get used to plugging it in...
Jul 10 18:51:29 <christophercomp> see, if i do that mine dies fast
Jul 10 18:51:39 <christophercomp> not the texting, but the web use
Jul 10 18:51:48 <A2NY|pre> this was over evdo too
Jul 10 18:52:13 <christophercomp> see, at home i am on 1x
Jul 10 18:52:20 <christophercomp> i mean my area is
Jul 10 18:52:29 <christophercomp> i connect to wifi wherever available
Jul 10 18:52:41 <A2NY|pre> have you tried setting up your email too 15 or 30 min?
Jul 10 18:52:55 <A2NY|pre> i dont think email is too much of a concern for me
Jul 10 18:52:58 <christophercomp> yeah, i didn't notice any real difference though...
Jul 10 18:53:02 <christophercomp> yeah same here
Jul 10 18:53:15 <christophercomp> it's data usage that destroys the battery for me
Jul 10 18:53:31 <christophercomp> is it something with the radio?
Jul 10 18:55:18 <christophercomp> i guess i don't understand in the log what the two different percentages mean?
Jul 10 18:55:37 <A2NY|pre> didnt you read my wiki entry
Jul 10 18:56:16 <mikedg> bah stupid code breaks on my phone but works fine in emu :(
Jul 10 18:56:41 <A2NY|pre> mikedg, have you gotten the camera to work in the emu ?
Jul 10 18:56:44 <christophercomp> yeah i did... i guess i still don't really get it though... the system UI is lying then?
Jul 10 19:00:09 <mikedg> a2ny: havent tried
Jul 10 19:01:32 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 10 19:01:46 <A2NY|pre> read thru the wiki
Jul 10 19:01:49 <A2NY|pre> i have a lunch meeting
Jul 10 19:01:55 <A2NY|pre> bbiab to discuss
Jul 10 19:04:02 <christophercomp> hey see you guys later thanks for the help A2NY
Jul 10 19:07:22 <mikedg> i found a difference between emulator and device
Jul 10 19:07:35 <mikedg> on emulator for calendar service RRULETZ is required param if you use RRULE
Jul 10 19:08:03 <mikedg> the documentation says that, but i marked it down as being wrong since the emu worked fine
Jul 10 19:08:06 <destinal> mikedg: could just be different versions of the service
Jul 10 19:08:08 <mikedg> weird
Jul 10 19:08:14 <mikedg> dest: probably :/
Jul 10 19:08:32 <destinal> if it's a java service...
Jul 10 19:08:41 <destinal> you could try copying it from the phone or doctor jar to your emulator
Jul 10 19:08:56 <destinal> but you'd have to copy the apps that use it too probably
Jul 10 19:10:25 <mikedg> of course i dont udnerstand what goes in this property sigh :(
Jul 10 19:15:42 <mikedg> rruleTZ
Jul 10 19:17:30 <destinal> mikedg: did you look at the updated version of the app that consumes it?
Jul 10 19:17:38 <destinal> it should be in the code
Jul 10 19:20:42 <mikedg> yeah ill have to check in a bi gonna leave work now
Jul 10 19:29:11 <en0x> 2http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/ hehe
Jul 10 19:31:39 <destinal> sigh, my EVDO is totally hosed, dropping out constantly in areas where it _was_ fine.  is this a known issue>?
Jul 10 19:32:17 <destinal> I'm thinking I may have to take my pre back to sprint
Jul 10 19:32:35 <cphelps> destinal: haven't you been hacking the modem and such?
Jul 10 19:32:42 <destinal> negative
Jul 10 19:32:48 <cphelps> destinal: my reception strength has not changed
Jul 10 19:33:09 <en0x> my evdo rulez
Jul 10 19:33:13 <en0x> i get max from 3g
Jul 10 19:33:14 <en0x> ;]
Jul 10 19:33:25 <destinal> I'll be in the middle of loading a page and suddenly both my signal strength bar and my data service box with the [Ev] in it normally VANISH
Jul 10 19:33:52 <cphelps> destinal: that does somewhat sound like you need a new one
Jul 10 19:34:26 <destinal> I'll try a full recharge and doctor it back to vanilla 1.0.4 but if it persists after, I'll swap it out
Jul 10 19:34:36 <destinal> hoepfully not get an oreo in return
Jul 10 19:35:14 <cphelps> Why you gotta turn down creme filled goodness?
Jul 10 19:35:19 <destinal> lol
Jul 10 19:35:47 <cphelps> destinal: you probably hate freedom too!
Jul 10 19:37:07 <destinal> grr, bars go away, come back, go away, come back.  well maybe I'll get one with no dead pixels
Jul 10 19:43:35 <destinal> Sprint -> no service -> Sprint
Jul 10 19:44:16 <destinal> -> phone offline -> Sprint
Jul 10 19:44:17 <lane> how do i get ipkg install to install to the removeable applications dir?
Jul 10 19:44:50 <Rick_> how are you building youripk?
Jul 10 19:45:02 <destinal> the ipkg itself contains the filenames
Jul 10 19:45:08 <lane> its the snake update
Jul 10 19:45:09 <destinal> .  / paths
Jul 10 19:45:38 <Rick_> nodnod.  are you using palm-package or building the ipk by hand?
Jul 10 19:45:55 <lane> also, i have an app in the unremoveable directory, im guessing i have to uninstall/reinstall to fix it?
Jul 10 19:46:28 <Rick_> no, you can go in as root and cd /usr/palm/applications and rm -r com.thadomain.thatapplication.
Jul 10 19:47:13 <lane> mkay
Jul 10 19:47:16 <lane> thank you
Jul 10 19:47:22 <Rick_> lane
Jul 10 19:47:31 <lane> si
Jul 10 19:47:39 <Rick_> if you're using palm-package it automagically makes it into the removeable directories
Jul 10 19:48:06 <lane> im on a linux box, sshing into it to run ipkg install
Jul 10 19:48:07 <Rick_> if you're using hand-built ipk's, you have to specify the path as /var/usr/palm/applications  instead of /usr/palm/applications
Jul 10 19:48:15 <Rick_> ok
Jul 10 19:48:25 <Rick_> then you need to specify the target paths in the ipk
Jul 10 19:48:38 <lane> thats what i figured
Jul 10 19:59:25 <joesmith350> My sisters pre is having problems
Jul 10 19:59:54 <joesmith350> when making a call she cant hear anything or say anything they can hear
Jul 10 20:00:06 <joesmith350> the ringer rings
Jul 10 20:00:14 <joesmith350> system sounds work
Jul 10 20:00:53 <joesmith350> *she can hear when through audio jck
Jul 10 20:01:12 <joesmith350> I also just confirmed youtube doesnt play sound
Jul 10 20:01:38 <joesmith350> I guess she will have to go to sprint
Jul 10 20:05:05 <destinal> I would try plugging in and unplugging phones many times, some have said the detection or maybe a physical switch on the headphone jack gets stuck
Jul 10 20:05:19 <destinal> err headphones
Jul 10 20:07:22 <destinal> wow
Jul 10 20:07:32 <destinal> INFO: Battery:Battery at -1%
Jul 10 20:07:45 <A2NY|pre> nice
Jul 10 20:07:53 <destinal> Battery:Battery charging started
Jul 10 20:07:55 <destinal> in doctor
Jul 10 20:08:06 <A2NY|pre> awesome
Jul 10 20:09:35 <destinal> so I plugged the pre into a third-party USB to AC adapter last night (marked 500ma)  and since then the battery charging and radio issues have both started
Jul 10 20:10:09 <destinal> it is charging though in charging mode, 11, 12
Jul 10 20:10:19 <destinal> no idea where the -1% came from in the OS
Jul 10 20:10:42 <A2NY|pre> how many mA?
Jul 10 20:10:51 <A2NY|pre> currently ?
Jul 10 20:11:10 <destinal> I can't tell, it's in a charging screen in bootie
Jul 10 20:11:34 <destinal> where the doctor puts it if it's not high enough charge to start flashing
Jul 10 20:11:45 <A2NY|pre> yeah
Jul 10 20:12:06 <A2NY|pre> id check out your bat
Jul 10 20:12:28 <A2NY|pre> see what the charger was charging it at
Jul 10 20:12:48 <destinal> it claims 500 on the side but now I'm suspicious
Jul 10 20:13:36 <destinal> has anyone noticed odd radio issues on low battery?
Jul 10 20:15:52 <A2NY|pre> i wonder if the pre talks to the 120vac wall charger
Jul 10 20:15:53 <destinal> also it occurs to me that it would be useful to force the phone to reboot in charging mode if you ever having a battery emergency and need to charge as fast as possible (since it hardly discharges any on the battery screen, not doing anything much with cpu, etc)
Jul 10 20:16:23 <A2NY|pre> and use the wall
Jul 10 20:16:37 <destinal> I misplaced my original palm AC adapter
Jul 10 20:16:39 <destinal> it's around somewhere
Jul 10 20:16:48 <A2NY|pre> 1000 mA max
Jul 10 20:17:36 <destinal> the java console debug output in the doctor keeps giving me battery charging progress: 13,   14,  etc
Jul 10 20:17:42 <destinal> so I know it must be charging
Jul 10 20:17:52 <destinal> via usb
Jul 10 20:19:34 <destinal> A2NY|pre: have you ever noticed odd radio behavior at low charge?  i would expect it would work consistently until discharged all the wat but you never know
Jul 10 20:20:14 <A2NY|pre> nope
Jul 10 20:20:28 <destinal> I wonder if the radio is damaged
Jul 10 20:20:30 <destinal> somehow
Jul 10 20:20:30 <A2NY|pre> lowest i have been was 7%
Jul 10 20:20:40 <A2NY|pre> and it worked fine
Jul 10 20:20:45 <A2NY|pre> left the charger at work :(
Jul 10 20:20:59 <destinal> that's why I bought a bunch of monoprice cables
Jul 10 20:21:07 <destinal> I have computers everywhere
Jul 10 20:21:19 <A2NY|pre> yes, i have everything in mini
Jul 10 20:21:21 <A2NY|pre> not micro
Jul 10 20:21:27 <A2NY|pre> so i was f-
Jul 10 20:21:39 <destinal> yeah less than a buck each at mono IIRC
Jul 10 20:22:18 <destinal> I had my mini cables from last phone and was annoyed
Jul 10 20:22:33 <destinal> considering micro isn't significantly smaller
Jul 10 20:22:52 <destinal> supposed to withstand more plugin / remove cycles though I guess
Jul 10 20:24:36 <A2NY|pre> its flatter ill give it that
Jul 10 20:25:47 <A2NY|pre> grrrrr
Jul 10 20:25:48 <destinal> that reminds me I need to order some male micro a to female standard b connectors
Jul 10 20:26:00 <A2NY|pre> wtf am i doing wrong
Jul 10 20:26:02 <destinal> to experiment with USB on the go
Jul 10 20:26:29 <destinal> A2NY|pre: I don't know, wtf are you doing wrong?
Jul 10 20:26:57 <A2NY|pre> find / -type f | grep 1000mA
Jul 10 20:27:01 <A2NY|pre> i am missing something
Jul 10 20:27:18 <destinal> do you want to find a file with a name of 1000mA or one with contents of that
Jul 10 20:27:25 <A2NY|pre> contents
Jul 10 20:27:37 <sushi2> does monoprice have micro L-end versions?
Jul 10 20:27:39 <destinal> find / -type f | xargs grep 1000mA
Jul 10 20:28:18 <A2NY|pre> silly xargs
Jul 10 20:28:34 <A2NY|pre> LMAO
Jul 10 20:28:37 <A2NY|pre> that crashed my phone
Jul 10 20:28:42 <destinal> oh
Jul 10 20:28:51 <destinal> you probably grepped open devices
Jul 10 20:28:56 <destinal> and memory etc
Jul 10 20:29:14 <destinal> I wouldn't usually do it in /
Jul 10 20:29:19 <destinal> if you do you need to exclude some dirs
Jul 10 20:29:30 <A2NY|pre> i will
Jul 10 20:29:45 <A2NY|pre> another thing is awk{print$2}
Jul 10 20:29:46 <destinal> dev mainly
Jul 10 20:29:48 <destinal> maybe proc
Jul 10 20:29:55 <A2NY|pre> can i hide instead of print ?
Jul 10 20:30:39 <destinal> find / -type f | grep -v /dev/ |xargs grep 1000mA
Jul 10 20:30:50 <destinal> or find probably has exclude params
Jul 10 20:35:42 <destinal> one wonders if we have to tellbootie things to get into that mysterious slave mode with the "OBEY" screen
Jul 10 20:35:58 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 10 20:36:13 <A2NY|pre> do we know what it is used for ?
Jul 10 20:36:17 <A2NY|pre> ive seen the png
Jul 10 20:36:19 <destinal> the file name ends in disk
Jul 10 20:36:28 <destinal> so it probably provides raw flash disk access
Jul 10 20:36:40 <A2NY|pre> hmm omap access
Jul 10 20:36:43 <destinal> no
Jul 10 20:36:44 <A2NY|pre> that would be nice
Jul 10 20:36:50 <A2NY|pre> 'would'
Jul 10 20:36:53 <destinal> OMAP is lower level
Jul 10 20:37:09 <A2NY|pre> i can dream
Jul 10 20:37:09 <destinal> I have the TI tool which should let you do JTAG over USB to it
Jul 10 20:37:14 <destinal> haven't gotten it working yet
Jul 10 20:37:17 <A2NY|pre> =\
Jul 10 20:37:29 <A2NY|pre> send plz ?
Jul 10 20:40:49 <destinal> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12013&contentId=28741&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+omap3430_devplatform
Jul 10 20:40:56 <destinal> It's OMAP3430 CSST Binary Release - Version 2.5
Jul 10 20:41:14 <destinal> warning, you could potentially do great harm, take caution
Jul 10 20:41:29 <A2NY|pre> i know this
Jul 10 20:41:42 <A2NY|pre> i thought you had a link so i wouldnt have to reg w/ TI
Jul 10 20:46:51 <A2NY|pre> test
Jul 10 20:48:47 <A2NY|pre> i need a cool company name
Jul 10 20:49:23 <A2NY|pre> lol webos-internals/educator
Jul 10 20:50:05 <A2NY|pre> does it come with drivers =\
Jul 10 20:50:16 <destinal> yes
Jul 10 20:50:21 <blau-mikedg> ugh still cant figure out the format for rruleTZ
Jul 10 20:50:50 <destinal> blau-mikedg: did you check out the latest app ver in the doctor rootfs image?
Jul 10 20:51:14 <blau-mikedg> yeah
Jul 10 20:51:18 <destinal> just add a debug statement to make it log what it's using
Jul 10 20:51:25 <blau-mikedg> i searched for rruletz no luck
Jul 10 20:51:31 <destinal> err?
Jul 10 20:52:45 <HebrewzHammer> anyone else getting an error with the email-landscape patch?
Jul 10 20:53:40 <blau-mikedg> ill try going through the calendar app to see what that uses
Jul 10 20:54:28 <HebrewzHammer> ooooh, you are working on the calendar app?! I've been trying to, what are you working on?
Jul 10 20:54:51 <blau-mikedg> im trying to use a synergy account
Jul 10 20:55:09 <blau-mikedg> it works fine in the emulator, btu whatever service provides createEvent is different between device and emu
Jul 10 20:55:19 <blau-mikedg> the device requires a parameter that i have no idea what the format is
Jul 10 20:55:32 <destinal> blau-mikedg: Hmm, "rruletz" (case insensitive) doesn't exist anywhere in webos.
Jul 10 20:55:47 <HebrewzHammer> i was/am trying to add functionality to the snooze option when you get a reminder for an event, but i'm just beginning to learn everything and the calendar app is hard to follow
Jul 10 20:55:49 <destinal> are you sure it's what you're looking for?
Jul 10 20:55:49 <blau-mikedg> dest: isnt that odd :/
Jul 10 20:56:28 <blau-mikedg> rruleTZ	 object	 rrule Timezone object. This object is mandatory if specifying an "rrule".
Jul 10 20:56:59 <destinal> could it be an inaccuracy in the SDK?
Jul 10 20:58:28 <blau-mikedg> thats the error i get too
Jul 10 20:58:31 <blau-mikedg> ill paste it in a sec
Jul 10 20:59:47 <blau-mikedg> rruleTZ is invalid. (Code ErrorGenericInvalidParameter) thats what im gettingnnow that i tried to fill it with crap
Jul 10 21:00:25 <HebrewzHammer> i get errors with the email-landscape patch when I tell quilt to push updates, anyone else getting this?
Jul 10 21:00:38 <joesmith350> are any of you using the invisibleshield?
Jul 10 21:05:18 <blau-mikedg> ugh wtf did i do now, stupid thing is messing up again
Jul 10 21:05:37 <blau-mikedg> bah stupid sources.json didnt sync
Jul 10 21:05:45 <blau-mikedg> i hate you eclipse
Jul 10 21:05:48 <mikewx> when you download with webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp. where dos it put the jar?
Jul 10 21:06:02 <sushi2> blau-mikedg: fdisk - it's your only alternative to rm -rf /
Jul 10 21:14:34 <blau-mikedg> :(
Jul 10 21:23:13 <HebrewzHammer> anyone here that can help me with errors i'm getting with quilt?
Jul 10 21:23:51 <A2NY|pre> what are you trying to do
Jul 10 21:24:11 <HebrewzHammer> sweet, A2NY|pre is on, hey
Jul 10 21:24:33 <HebrewzHammer> just trying to push an update, but hunks keep on failing with the email-landscape patch
Jul 10 21:24:34 <commandercup> anyone here that can help me get smartreflex working? I can't get it to work... I create the script using the code in the wiki and put it in a file with vim and then I copy it from /media/internal to /etc/event.d/ and reboot with no results...
Jul 10 21:24:38 <destinal> hmm, between charging and the doctor my phone may be ok.  we'll see..
Jul 10 21:25:07 <A2NY|pre> lol more smartreflex guys
Jul 10 21:25:07 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: how do u know it isn't working?
Jul 10 21:25:25 <commandercup> cat /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp
Jul 10 21:25:26 <A2NY|pre> im glad one person hasnt taken the placebo pill
Jul 10 21:25:35 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: if the script is right and it is in that folder, it should work fine after reboot
Jul 10 21:25:39 <commandercup> cat /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp
Jul 10 21:25:39 <commandercup> both say 0
Jul 10 21:25:39 <commandercup> instead of 1
Jul 10 21:25:48 <commandercup> I also get no 600000's when using cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state
Jul 10 21:26:02 <commandercup> well is there anything special I have to do to the script?
Jul 10 21:26:06 <commandercup> just copy and paste into vim and then save right?
Jul 10 21:26:20 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: not to sound like a jaskass, but ur sure that the script is in the right folder and is correct?
Jul 10 21:26:24 <commandercup> yeah
Jul 10 21:26:28 <commandercup> if the folder is: /etc/event.d/
Jul 10 21:26:36 <HebrewzHammer> hmmm, A2NY|pre is really the expert on this
Jul 10 21:26:44 <HebrewzHammer> i'm stumped already
Jul 10 21:26:47 <commandercup> well here's the command I use: cp /media/internal/overclock /etc/event.d/overclock
Jul 10 21:26:53 <commandercup> then I just reboot
Jul 10 21:27:18 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: try cat /etc/event.d/overclock
Jul 10 21:28:35 <A2NY|pre> paste to webos.pastebin.com
Jul 10 21:29:17 <commandercup> my computer is deing
Jul 10 21:29:18 <commandercup> dieng*
Jul 10 21:29:19 <commandercup> hold on
Jul 10 21:29:25 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 10 21:30:08 <commandercup> I pasted it
Jul 10 21:30:15 <commandercup> I got the script when I typed in cat /etc/event.d/overclock
Jul 10 21:30:32 <Rick_> you have to post back the address of the pastebin you used...
Jul 10 21:30:37 <commandercup> ah
Jul 10 21:30:38 <commandercup> :P
Jul 10 21:30:41 <commandercup> http://webos.pastebin.com/d20b0fcbe
Jul 10 21:31:16 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: i know it all really depends on those 3 files but here's the errors quilt is giving me --> http://webos.pastebin.com/d38bce859
Jul 10 21:31:46 <commandercup> if my script is in the correct folder and it still doesn't work... does smartreflex conflict with any of the other mods/apps?
Jul 10 21:32:05 <HebrewzHammer> quick question: what happens if you don't remount the filesystem as ro?
Jul 10 21:32:26 <A2NY|pre> when it reboots it locks it most the time
Jul 10 21:32:34 <A2NY|pre> or i should say restart
Jul 10 21:33:03 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: not that i know of
Jul 10 21:33:08 <commandercup> :(
Jul 10 21:33:16 <commandercup> what could be the problem then? I want to get this working...!
Jul 10 21:33:27 <destinal> some have no negative effects by not remounting ro
Jul 10 21:33:30 <commandercup> I've created the script using vim, vi and notepad and none of the files worked
Jul 10 21:33:30 <destinal> but it's a good idea
Jul 10 21:33:34 <Lurking_Grue> Cool... There are now more homebrew apps than official apps.
Jul 10 21:33:53 <HebrewzHammer> yup
Jul 10 21:34:02 <destinal> Lurking_Grue: where?
Jul 10 21:34:03 <A2NY|pre> commandercup, chmod 755 /etc/event.d/overclock
Jul 10 21:34:39 <Lurking_Grue> Destinal: http://www.precentral.net/
Jul 10 21:34:44 <blau-mikedg> anyone know where calendar data is stored?
Jul 10 21:34:56 <A2NY|pre> keep in mind all you are doing is running the proc at the rated speed of 600mghz
Jul 10 21:35:09 <HebrewzHammer> if I used vi to modify a file, and then tried to apply a patch that was suppossed to modify that file I already modified, would that give me an error when i tru to push the patch?
Jul 10 21:35:11 <A2NY|pre> auto voltage will not be working as it is turned off in the kernel
Jul 10 21:35:22 <destinal> what's up with people and still [no rooting required]
Jul 10 21:35:29 <commandercup> wait, so there are no benefits to battery life?
Jul 10 21:35:29 <A2NY|pre> HebrewzHammer, it should not, but i have seen it before
Jul 10 21:35:43 <destinal> they're bothering to still selfsign ipks?
Jul 10 21:35:55 <A2NY|pre> smart reflex is used with ondemand, or at least the way TI designed it
Jul 10 21:36:11 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: b/c thats what I did, but only with 1 file, i don't know why the other 2 files are failing too
Jul 10 21:36:12 <A2NY|pre> low hz = low volts, vice-versa
Jul 10 21:36:46 <HebrewzHammer> if ondemand and smartreflex ever get working together, speed and battery life r going to be amazing
Jul 10 21:37:35 <Lurking_Grue> Dest: Don't think they are signed.
Jul 10 21:37:47 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 10 21:37:50 <A2NY|pre> totally agree
Jul 10 21:37:54 <A2NY|pre> i think palm is holding back
Jul 10 21:38:14 <A2NY|pre> if they release all they got what happens when iphone beats them and palm doesnt have anything more to offer
Jul 10 21:38:18 <commandercup> chmod 755 /etc/event.d/overclock and after reboot it's still not working
Jul 10 21:38:44 <HebrewzHammer> what do u think is causing ondemand to be so unstable, and especially with smartflex enabled i've read u have to recover ur pre
Jul 10 21:39:02 <A2NY|pre> twice
Jul 10 21:39:11 <A2NY|pre> then i learned to just push changes with no script
Jul 10 21:39:12 <destinal> so people should stop saying no rooting
Jul 10 21:39:17 <destinal> it's just uselessly confusing
Jul 10 21:39:27 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: i dont know, if the script is correct and in the correct place, it should work fine. u got me stumped
Jul 10 21:39:27 <A2NY|pre> wait for it to lock up and restart back to normal
Jul 10 21:39:32 <destinal> cool on the more apps than catalog though
Jul 10 21:39:47 <commandercup> HebrewzHammer: :(
Jul 10 21:39:50 <A2NY|pre> the funny part is seekis, that posted in the latest wiki
Jul 10 21:40:00 <Rick_> ?
Jul 10 21:40:08 <A2NY|pre> he was in here this morning, with my pre wont boot up, it keeps freezing on the load screen
Jul 10 21:40:24 <HebrewzHammer> commandercup: i'm not an expert though so someone else might be able to help
Jul 10 21:41:38 <commandercup> anyone else have any ideas?
Jul 10 21:42:03 <A2NY|pre> its not worth it
Jul 10 21:42:09 <A2NY|pre> i wouldnt worry about it commandercup
Jul 10 21:42:13 <A2NY|pre> my best advice to you
Jul 10 21:42:16 <A2NY|pre> is delete the script
Jul 10 21:42:26 <A2NY|pre> and just autoset the frequency for the tim being
Jul 10 21:42:38 <commandercup> autoset the freq as in use ondemand?
Jul 10 21:42:45 <A2NY|pre> no
Jul 10 21:42:52 <A2NY|pre> auto is in you set the freq to 600000
Jul 10 21:42:59 <commandercup> o
Jul 10 21:43:08 <commandercup> well I want increased battery life :(
Jul 10 21:43:14 <commandercup> performance isn't that much of an issue
Jul 10 21:43:20 <A2NY|pre> frequency isnt going to change anything
Jul 10 21:43:29 <A2NY|pre> its the volts
Jul 10 21:43:40 <commandercup> how do I autoset the frequency then?
Jul 10 21:43:42 <A2NY|pre> smart reflex is in bypass mode
Jul 10 21:43:51 <A2NY|pre> you can see this in the kernel config
Jul 10 21:44:25 <A2NY|pre> smart reflex needs to be in vsel for it to work
Jul 10 21:45:13 <commandercup> meh
Jul 10 21:45:18 <commandercup> well I guess I'll just give up for now then
Jul 10 21:45:22 <A2NY|pre> dont worry about it now
Jul 10 21:45:30 <A2NY|pre> we need a custom kernel for something to work
Jul 10 21:45:44 <A2NY|pre> the right way
Jul 10 21:46:03 <A2NY|pre> using ondemand scaler is still using the same voltage regardless of speed
Jul 10 21:47:08 <commandercup> eh
Jul 10 21:47:12 <commandercup> wlel thanks for the info
Jul 10 21:47:14 <A2NY|pre> HebrewzHammer, you get it to work ?
Jul 10 21:50:14 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: yea, i just went back to the files i manully edited and changed them all back, then pushed the updates and it worked fine
Jul 10 21:50:19 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: thanx for the help
Jul 10 21:50:37 <A2NY|pre> cool
Jul 10 21:50:57 <HebrewzHammer> i forgot to "cd /" the first time i tried pushing updates, that didn't hurt anything, did it?
Jul 10 21:52:28 <HebrewzHammer> i dont think it did. i think quilt just gets confused and nothing is in the right place so it doesnt do anything...hopefully
Jul 10 21:55:00 <A2NY|pre> ls -a
Jul 10 21:55:06 <A2NY|pre> what dir were you in
Jul 10 21:55:16 <A2NY|pre> just check to make sure it didnt dump anything in there
Jul 10 21:56:01 <HebrewzHammer> cd /opt/src/modifitcations
Jul 10 22:03:27 <A2NY|pre> ls -a ?
Jul 10 22:03:30 <A2NY|pre> anything in there
Jul 10 22:03:44 <A2NY|pre> besides app/music.etc
Jul 10 22:04:26 <HebrewzHammer> oh srry, thought u were afk
Jul 10 22:05:28 <HebrewzHammer> .git,applauncher,email,messaging,phone,.pc,browser,luna,musicplayer,user
Jul 10 22:12:14 <oc80z> omfg.
Jul 10 22:12:23 <oc80z> stupid god damn smartflex shit freezes the phone.
Jul 10 22:12:27 <A2NY|pre> LOL
Jul 10 22:12:28 <oc80z> u have got to be shitting me
Jul 10 22:12:31 <A2NY|pre> good
Jul 10 22:12:33 <oc80z> good what.
Jul 10 22:12:37 <A2NY|pre> thats what you get for not listening
Jul 10 22:12:46 <oc80z> faak you kid
Jul 10 22:12:49 <A2NY|pre> ;)
Jul 10 22:12:52 <PCS> Hello, I was trying to root my pre and when I went to install novaproxy it came up with a error ( novacomd is not running) and come here to ask for help. I have a HP laptop with vista home edition
Jul 10 22:12:57 <oc80z> nah for real
Jul 10 22:12:58 <oc80z> fuck you
Jul 10 22:13:04 <A2NY|pre> :(
Jul 10 22:13:14 <A2NY|pre> fishing real ?
Jul 10 22:13:38 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 10 22:13:52 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: you following the wiki?
Jul 10 22:13:56 <A2NY|pre> NEED CUSTOM KERNEL TO USE OMAP3430 TO FULL POTENTIAL
Jul 10 22:14:21 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: you are going to just be copying and pasting that line for a while, lol
Jul 10 22:14:45 <A2NY|pre> i know
Jul 10 22:14:49 <A2NY|pre> i should bind it to a key
Jul 10 22:14:52 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 10 22:14:58 <A2NY|pre> no one wants to listen, then whatever
Jul 10 22:15:02 <A2NY|pre> thats the last time i will say it
Jul 10 22:15:12 <oc80z> pfft
Jul 10 22:15:18 <oc80z> ur still a piece of shit
Jul 10 22:15:19 <A2NY|pre> xD
Jul 10 22:15:20 <oc80z> and i dont like you
Jul 10 22:15:23 <A2NY|pre> i know
Jul 10 22:15:33 <oc80z> i had to walk all the way over to the other room to get a usb cable to reverse it
Jul 10 22:15:41 <PCS> yes  I was following the using novaproxy to gain root wiki
Jul 10 22:15:57 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 10 22:15:58 <HebrewzHammer> lol, just put into the pastebin and refer people to the url
Jul 10 22:15:59 <A2NY|pre> oh well
Jul 10 22:16:07 <PCS> phyton 2.6 installed fine
Jul 10 22:17:22 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: the error means what it says, novacomd needs to be running for it to work. Try reinstalling it.
Jul 10 22:18:26 <HebrewzHammer> A2NY|pre: lol, u better watch out, you might get cyber-punched
Jul 10 22:18:39 <A2NY|pre> or IRC slapped with a trout
Jul 10 22:18:39 <PCS> ok I have tried several times even tried from the cmd and went to the directory it was in still same problem
Jul 10 22:18:45 <HebrewzHammer> lol
Jul 10 22:19:17 * sugardave slaps A2NY|pre with a large trout.
Jul 10 22:19:26 <HebrewzHammer> rofl
Jul 10 22:19:56 <psykoz> a2ny|pre, have you tried compiling a custom kernel yet?
Jul 10 22:20:04 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: NovacomInstaller_x86.msi installs with no problems?
Jul 10 22:20:11 <psykoz> a2ny|pre, I'm going to vmware linux this weekend to attempt at it and see if I can debug the issue with the power button/screen dim
Jul 10 22:20:15 <PCS> itr brings up a C:\Python26\python.exe  window
Jul 10 22:20:29 <HebrewzHammer> yea A2NY|pre, c'mon, get that custom kernal going!
Jul 10 22:20:50 <PCS> yes it did I can try installing it again
Jul 10 22:20:59 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: yea, give that a try
Jul 10 22:21:40 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: if it works you should see novacom.exe in the task manager under processes
Jul 10 22:22:07 <PCS> from the resource folder
Jul 10 22:22:12 <PCS> ok will look
Jul 10 22:22:17 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: novacomd.exe *
Jul 10 22:24:09 * destinal is impatient with a terminal and thinks he'll render text from the plugin into the DOM
Jul 10 22:24:44 <destinal> for now anyway
Jul 10 22:25:43 <destinal> A2NY|pre: it's easy to build / install a new kernel anyway, isn't it?
Jul 10 22:26:00 <destinal> ah, wiki page
Jul 10 22:27:02 <PCS> ok great that was it
Jul 10 22:27:24 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: working now?
Jul 10 22:28:06 <PCS> yea im to the next step now listening to port
Jul 10 22:28:07 <destinal> A2NY|pre: you could make a kernel for everyone and make the binary available as an ipkg :)
Jul 10 22:29:40 <HebrewzHammer> i thought kernals were extremely complicated b/c they are like the heart of the whole system that sits on the hardware?
Jul 10 22:29:58 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 10 22:30:01 <destinal> HebrewzHammer: they're complex but not difficult to build or install
Jul 10 22:30:12 <destinal> considering we have the linux source code
Jul 10 22:30:13 <A2NY|pre> we are only building them with new configs
Jul 10 22:30:26 <HebrewzHammer> so what kernal is the Pre using?
Jul 10 22:30:37 <A2NY|pre> joplin 2.6.24 i think
Jul 10 22:30:43 <destinal> HebrewzHammer: run uname -a
Jul 10 22:30:46 <destinal> and you'll now
Jul 10 22:30:49 <destinal> know
Jul 10 22:30:49 <HebrewzHammer> oh
Jul 10 22:30:50 <tmzt> how are custom kernels installed on the pre?
Jul 10 22:31:00 <destinal> http://predev.wikidot.com/custom-kernels
Jul 10 22:31:12 <A2NY|pre> -/boot
Jul 10 22:32:03 <destinal> tmzt: I'm thinking of throwing together a terminal plugin in javascript + text passing for now, I'm frustrated with graphics :)
Jul 10 22:32:33 <destinal> the c++ plugin passes objects to the mojo js which renders it, takes events, etc
Jul 10 22:33:01 <blau-mikedg> still stuck with rruletz grr
Jul 10 22:36:58 <PCS> hmm ok now putty opens and i set all the settings it opens a putty window then makes a tone and the putty window closes any ideas i tried several times and made sure developer mode was on and when i pluged pre in chose charge only
Jul 10 22:43:01 <PCS> says connection closed by remote host
Jul 10 22:43:36 <A2NY|pre> localhost port 8023 ?
Jul 10 22:43:43 <PCS> yes
Jul 10 22:43:50 <A2NY|pre> you have nova running ?
Jul 10 22:43:55 <PCS> yes
Jul 10 22:44:05 <A2NY|pre> service is started ?
Jul 10 22:45:16 <djwhitey> so I rooted my Pre before the optware-dropbox method ... are there instructions on backing out the dropbox i installed ? (trying to avoid a Dr. appointment)
Jul 10 22:45:19 <PCS> when i double click the novaproxy icon a window now comes up saying listening on localhost port 8023
Jul 10 22:45:33 <tmzt> there should be source for the mvl driver
Jul 10 22:45:45 <HebrewzHammer> PCS: thats good, it should work
Jul 10 22:46:01 <PCS> putty keeps closing
Jul 10 22:46:31 <PCS> says connection closed by remote host
Jul 10 22:46:58 <A2NY|pre> raw mode ?
Jul 10 22:47:09 <PCS> i dont get the  root@castle:/# message
Jul 10 22:47:24 <psykoz> exit
Jul 10 22:47:32 <psykoz> oops
Jul 10 22:47:55 <PCS> yes i clicked raw and forced off the line disciplines
Jul 10 22:48:06 <A2NY|pre> try telnet
Jul 10 22:48:46 <PCS> ok
Jul 10 22:50:25 <PCS> same thing
Jul 10 22:52:05 <PCS> connection closed by remote host
Jul 10 22:54:46 <sugardave> http://predev.wikidot.com/database-storage
Jul 10 22:56:06 <tmzt> destinal: so you figured out the scripting interface?
Jul 10 22:56:21 <tmzt> I thought that would be the hardest part
Jul 10 22:56:49 <HebrewzHammer> anyone try the Character Counter mod? I can't get it to work
Jul 10 22:56:51 <destinal> tmzt: I'm not certain but I think I know
Jul 10 22:56:57 <destinal> I'll try it tonight
Jul 10 22:57:36 <destinal> tmzt: I got drawing working last night to screen coords screenbuffer[y*stride+x]  and line drawing
Jul 10 22:57:58 <destinal> but unfortunately you can't draw outside a draw event
Jul 10 22:58:19 <destinal> so we may need another buffer written to async and copied in by draw event
Jul 10 22:59:12 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 10 22:59:39 <tmzt> I thought they were caching things though
Jul 10 23:00:44 <destinal> the npapi is pretty clear about that also on whichever platform it was that did similar paint events that you have to do it only when called
Jul 10 23:01:26 <destinal> when I tried it it worked when I was called with a draw event but otherwise would segfault luna
Jul 10 23:01:27 <destinal> yay
Jul 10 23:15:33 <oc80z> pcs did you fix it
Jul 10 23:35:08 <destinal> is ~110kbytes per second a good speed for EVDO?
Jul 10 23:35:18 <A2NY|pre> sure
Jul 10 23:35:26 <A2NY|pre> would you like me to test mine?
Jul 10 23:35:46 <destinal> sure, I was doing a wget of a long file since I think it's more accurate than the web browser ones I was looking at
Jul 10 23:35:53 <destinal> mp3 so uncompressible
Jul 10 23:36:15 <A2NY|pre> link ?
Jul 10 23:36:18 <destinal> or curl actually, curl displays current and average speed
Jul 10 23:37:12 <destinal> msg'd, it's just the album set "the slip" from nine inch nails, in mp3
Jul 10 23:38:06 <destinal> it's creative commons license
Jul 10 23:38:19 <A2NY|pre> lol
Jul 10 23:38:29 <A2NY|pre> broke something
Jul 10 23:39:42 <djwhitey> so I installed dropbear via ipkg [original method] & not ipkg-opt... what should I do short of doctor?
Jul 10 23:39:50 <destinal> lol  taking a call stops data
Jul 10 23:41:15 <tmzt> yes
Jul 10 23:41:20 <tmzt> even with mip?
Jul 10 23:41:42 <destinal> mip?
Jul 10 23:41:43 <tmzt> ipkg remove?
Jul 10 23:41:49 <tmzt> mobile ip
Jul 10 23:42:10 <seigex> hi
Jul 10 23:42:16 <destinal> hey seigex
Jul 10 23:42:21 <seigex> whats up destinal
Jul 10 23:42:34 <seigex> anyone here have a grandcentral/google voice invite by chance?
Jul 10 23:42:45 <destinal> I've been on gvoice a while
Jul 10 23:42:53 <destinal> but I don't think they give invites to share anymore not for a while
Jul 10 23:43:03 <seigex> oh .. figures :)
Jul 10 23:43:06 <seigex> still not sure what it was
Jul 10 23:43:10 <seigex> err is
Jul 10 23:43:11 <A2NY|pre> i might
Jul 10 23:43:17 <A2NY|pre> i dont even know my login
Jul 10 23:43:20 <seigex> haven't really payed attention.. but it sounds interesting
Jul 10 23:44:15 <seigex> destinal.. before i passed out lsat night i tried to compile the plugin directly on my pre but it failed compile.. so i'm going to play with it today see if i can get it to work
Jul 10 23:44:23 <destinal> glib headers?
Jul 10 23:44:35 <seigex> lemme try cus i think they're on optware
Jul 10 23:44:53 <A2NY|pre> im rich
Jul 10 23:44:53 <A2NY|pre> Balance  $0.10
Jul 10 23:45:01 <seigex> nice
Jul 10 23:45:03 <seigex> hah
Jul 10 23:45:18 <seigex> thats 10 cents more than i'll have after my car insurance payment comes out of my account and i'm negative
Jul 10 23:46:09 <seigex> i'm still on 1.0.2 .. forgot to upgrade to 1.0.4 and i added hotmail so my phone lasted for 2 hours :( now i have to charge it up so i can turn it on
Jul 10 23:46:27 <seigex> there it goes
Jul 10 23:48:02 <A2NY|pre> sorry i think i fucked up
Jul 10 23:48:10 <A2NY|pre> i made my account gvoice
Jul 10 23:48:20 <A2NY|pre> and now i cant go back to gcentral
Jul 10 23:48:25 <destinal> yeah don't login gcentral
Jul 10 23:48:29 <destinal> that's done with
Jul 10 23:48:30 <seigex> ouch :)
Jul 10 23:48:42 <A2NY|pre> 16:42 <seigex> anyone here have a grandcentral/google voice invite by chance?
Jul 10 23:48:43 <destinal> gvoice is way cooler anyway
Jul 10 23:48:51 <A2NY|pre> can anyone use gvoice
Jul 10 23:49:00 <djwhitey> i have an invite
Jul 10 23:49:00 <seigex> by invite only right now
Jul 10 23:49:03 <A2NY|pre> i was under the assumption it was invite only?
Jul 10 23:49:20 <seigex> dj, willing to give it away? would be much appreciated
Jul 10 23:49:23 <A2NY|pre> oh so i can give codes via gvoice ?
Jul 10 23:49:34 <djwhitey> seigex: developing for gvoice?
Jul 10 23:49:49 <seigex> yeah i'm interested in if it would be feasible to put on the pre
Jul 10 23:49:56 <seigex> but i'm still looking into what exactly it is
Jul 10 23:49:57 <seigex> :)
Jul 10 23:50:12 <seigex> i guess its a voip type service?
Jul 10 23:50:19 <destinal> no, not voip
Jul 10 23:50:36 <djwhitey> no, it forwards the call from your gvoice number to your actual #
Jul 10 23:50:53 <djwhitey> retains callerid though
Jul 10 23:51:29 <seigex> interesting
Jul 10 23:51:42 <seigex> shit i remember when i got my gmail invite. i was pretty excited
Jul 10 23:52:48 <djwhitey> pm email and i'll forward it to you
Jul 10 23:54:00 <A2NY|pre> GrandCentral invites are temporarily unavailable, but will be back soon. We appreciate your patience.
Jul 10 23:54:03 <A2NY|pre> eek
Jul 10 23:54:16 <destinal> permanently
Jul 10 23:54:23 <destinal> google voice replaces it completely
Jul 10 23:54:27 <A2NY|pre> yes
Jul 10 23:54:36 <A2NY|pre> but with a grandcentral account
Jul 10 23:54:40 <A2NY|pre> you can get into gvoice
Jul 10 23:54:45 <destinal> yeah, you could if you had one
Jul 10 23:54:47 <A2NY|pre> since gvoice is not open ?
Jul 10 23:55:00 <psykoz> I have a gvoice account
Jul 10 23:55:01 <djwhitey> you can request gvoice invites
Jul 10 23:55:08 <djwhitey> i haven't really used mine much yet
Jul 10 23:55:19 <djwhitey> my number though spells TECH1DEBUG hehe
Jul 10 23:55:37 <psykoz> both my friend, another friend and I requested at the same time, it seems that they applied gvoice accounts to us in the order of long term use in conjunction with when we requested
Jul 10 23:56:17 <psykoz> I've had my gmail account since the first batch of invites
Jul 10 23:57:05 <djwhitey> what port should i telnet to w/ my pre in devmode and novacom on my virtual xp box
Jul 10 23:57:05 <seigex> wtf
Jul 10 23:57:06 <seigex> psykoz
Jul 10 23:57:13 <psykoz> hey seige
Jul 10 23:57:14 <psykoz> ;)
Jul 10 23:57:15 <seigex> djwhitey, invalid :(
Jul 10 23:57:20 <psykoz> how's it going in SD?
Jul 10 23:57:21 <djwhitey> damn sorry
Jul 10 23:57:24 <seigex> psykoz.. no shit long time no see
Jul 10 23:57:33 <seigex> in arizona right now
Jul 10 23:57:34 <djwhitey> i guess they associate the invite with the gmail email addy
Jul 10 23:57:37 <psykoz> seigex, oh wow
Jul 10 23:57:44 <seigex> parents house for vacation
Jul 10 23:57:50 <seigex> but i'm from riverside not sd
Jul 10 23:57:51 <seigex> :)
Jul 10 23:57:54 <seigex> how is texas?
Jul 10 23:57:57 <psykoz> seigex, hot
Jul 10 23:58:03 * djwhitey in tx too
Jul 10 23:58:04 <seigex> psykoz, you have a pre?
Jul 10 23:58:27 <psykoz> seigex, I do
Jul 10 23:58:30 <seigex> nice
Jul 10 23:58:38 <seigex> any of the other efnet peeps get one?
Jul 10 23:58:55 <psykoz> Not that I know of
Jul 10 23:58:58 <psykoz> meshuga is from efnet
Jul 10 23:59:02 <psykoz> but he's not a houston boy ;)
Jul 10 23:59:03 <seigex> hmm they're gay probably have iphones
Jul 10 23:59:15 <djwhitey> htown represent!
Jul 10 23:59:15 <psykoz> cmang is totally gay for Apple products <grin>
Jul 10 23:59:21 <seigex> haha
Jul 10 23:59:23 <seigex> i believe it
Jul 10 23:59:27 <seigex> haven't talked to him in a while
Jul 10 23:59:37 <A2NY|pre> party time
Jul 10 23:59:39 <A2NY|pre> take care
Jul 10 23:59:43 <dpp> howdy folks
Jul 10 23:59:55 <seigex> djwhitey, thanks for the try i'll have to figure something else out ;)
Jul 11 00:00:02 <psykoz> seigex, oh and superunknown is gay for apple too ;)
Jul 11 00:00:15 <psykoz> seigex, when you going to get back to riverside?
Jul 11 00:00:29 <djwhitey> np
Jul 11 00:00:30 <seigex> prob mon or tue
Jul 11 00:00:53 <seigex> iphone users are drones they don't care about havin a configurable phone
Jul 11 00:01:15 <seigex> i'm just glad i can get away from windows mobile
Jul 11 00:01:15 <psykoz> well some fo them do but they still are convinced that Apple will one day give up on trying to make their phone unhackable/lockable :)
Jul 11 00:01:18 <dpp> has anyone tried the Character Counter in Messaging App???
Jul 11 00:01:47 <seigex> psykoz, AT&T *shudder*
Jul 11 00:01:49 <seigex> dpp, nope
Jul 11 00:01:50 <psykoz> seigex, nod, there was no advantage of leaving WM for android they're both the same crappy open phone with an SDK, the Pre at least has a nice UI / hardware with some sense of design that resembles the quality Apple puts into its products
Jul 11 00:02:25 <dpp> i tried it, and tried to make edits to the files, but it didn't work, and caused my messaging app to freeze up
Jul 11 00:02:41 <dpp> i tried to go back and remove all the changes i made, and now i can see my txts, but it wont open up and let me send anything
Jul 11 00:02:43 <dpp> :(
Jul 11 00:02:45 <seigex> yep.. and it uses a standard linux kernel with a custom windows manager.. cant beat that
Jul 11 00:03:00 <seigex> dpp, wnat a copy of the app?
Jul 11 00:03:09 <seigex> i'll zip it up and send it ur way
Jul 11 00:03:14 <dpp> do you have an original of the messaging app?
Jul 11 00:03:21 <seigex> i can copy it from my pre
Jul 11 00:03:26 <seigex> and email you a tar
Jul 11 00:03:31 <dpp> ahh you the man!
Jul 11 00:03:37 <seigex> gimme an email address
Jul 11 00:04:33 <destinal> seigex: it's really sweet to be able to ssh to my phone, wget an album and unzip it in the phone's shell, all out of the box (well except dropbear)
Jul 11 00:04:36 <seigex> actually i'll dcc it to you if you can accept them
Jul 11 00:04:44 <seigex> yeah no shit
Jul 11 00:04:47 <destinal> then just click music and play
Jul 11 00:04:56 <dpp> i even tried to just reset the whole thing and the webdr app wont recognize mah phone!
Jul 11 00:05:10 <seigex> oh
Jul 11 00:05:13 <seigex> you have to do it the special way
Jul 11 00:05:16 <seigex> plug it into the way
Jul 11 00:05:18 <seigex> hold the volume up button
Jul 11 00:05:22 <seigex> and turn it on
Jul 11 00:05:27 <seigex> it will show a usb sign
Jul 11 00:05:31 <seigex> then web dr will recognize it
Jul 11 00:05:36 <destinal> yeah it's that or turn on dev mode
Jul 11 00:06:06 <dpp> hmmm, so if i turn on dev mode, and reset it, will i have to do the whole rooting procedure again lol
Jul 11 00:06:07 <destinal> with dev mode on the doctor can tell novacom to restart into bootie to flash
Jul 11 00:06:09 <seigex> i think my way is faster than typing in the dev mode thing :)
Jul 11 00:06:14 <destinal> seigex: yeah
Jul 11 00:06:16 <seigex> dpp, rooting is easy
Jul 11 00:06:28 <dpp> yeah it wasn't to hard, i just followed the tutorial
Jul 11 00:06:41 <seigex> i'm suprised noone made a script to do everyting quickly
Jul 11 00:06:42 <dpp> i wonder if you send me the app, if i can just untar it onto my phone
Jul 11 00:06:46 <seigex> i should make a bash script
Jul 11 00:06:49 <destinal> the tutorial is great for someone who wants to learn
Jul 11 00:06:52 <seigex> dpp yeah you should be able to
Jul 11 00:06:56 <seigex> i'll send it right now
Jul 11 00:07:01 <dpp> mucho appreciated
Jul 11 00:07:07 <destinal> but if you've done it already just click and done would be better
Jul 11 00:07:36 <dpp> love this phone, had to get re-acclimated with VI though
Jul 11 00:07:43 <dpp> hadn't used that in quite some time
Jul 11 00:07:44 <seigex> i do to i just need to get mine swapped
Jul 11 00:07:54 <seigex> its all scratched up :( and has those discolorations on the screen
Jul 11 00:08:04 <seigex> and its starting to wiggle a little
Jul 11 00:08:19 <destinal> seigex: I have an idea to make an doctor-image editing tool that lets you just unhide your dev app, install dropbear and whatever apps, turn on usbnet, whatever out of the box on first flash
Jul 11 00:08:35 <destinal> basically let you install, remove, hide, unhide, and change certain settings
Jul 11 00:08:38 <dpp> destinal thats a good idea actually
Jul 11 00:08:41 <destinal> then save a jar
Jul 11 00:09:04 <seigex> yeah i remember u mentioning that.. good idea.. sorta like a rom kitchen
Jul 11 00:09:06 <destinal> I've been focused on plugin dev to get a shell
Jul 11 00:09:14 <destinal> so I haven't started yet
Jul 11 00:10:05 <dpp> the main reason i wanted to root it, is that i was trying to change that damn SMS tone. lol, and then i started playing around with stuff that i propably should have left alone
Jul 11 00:10:26 <destinal> yeah that's the other thing, most people honestly shouldn't need ssh running on their phone
Jul 11 00:10:46 <dpp> is there a way to change that damn tone without ssh? or did i even need to do that
Jul 11 00:10:48 <destinal> if you like it and want it, cool
Jul 11 00:10:53 <djwhitey> when my pre is connected via xp/novacom, what port do I telnet to?
Jul 11 00:10:55 <destinal> but you shouldn't need it to get everything else done
Jul 11 00:11:01 <djwhitey> trying to uninstall dropbear
Jul 11 00:11:20 <djwhitey> and reinstall w/ ipkg-opt method
Jul 11 00:11:38 <dpp> if dropbear is installed, dont you ssh to port 222?
Jul 11 00:12:02 <djwhitey> i can uninstall it while ssh'd to it though?
Jul 11 00:12:05 <destinal> djwhitey is talking about the novaproxy method
Jul 11 00:12:11 <dpp> ahhh
Jul 11 00:12:22 <djwhitey> i tried that & it error'd
Jul 11 00:12:33 <destinal> djwhitey: try start, run, "services.msc"
Jul 11 00:12:44 <destinal> and look for "Palm Novacom" service
Jul 11 00:12:47 <destinal> stop and start it
Jul 11 00:12:48 <djwhitey> novacom is running on the xp virtualbox
Jul 11 00:13:03 <djwhitey> pre is attached
Jul 11 00:13:07 <djwhitey> ok restarted svc
Jul 11 00:13:13 <destinal> ok now try
Jul 11 00:13:15 <seigex> dpp
Jul 11 00:13:17 <seigex> can u accept dcc?
Jul 11 00:13:24 <seigex> i'll jump into bitchx and dcc it to u
Jul 11 00:13:38 <djwhitey> telnet <preIP> no good
Jul 11 00:13:40 <dpp> yeah i can dcc
Jul 11 00:13:49 <seigex> aight i'll be seig3x
Jul 11 00:13:50 <dpp> telnet preip 222?
Jul 11 00:13:54 <destinal> djwhitey: let's take a huge step back
Jul 11 00:14:03 <seigex> dpp, yeah if you haven't added openssh
Jul 11 00:14:05 <destinal> what OS are you running outside virtualbox
Jul 11 00:14:09 <djwhitey> win7
Jul 11 00:14:17 <djwhitey> x86 RC
Jul 11 00:14:32 <destinal> ok, that makes sense then.   all right. if you restarted novacom, did you then run the novaproxy.py script?
Jul 11 00:14:35 <djwhitey> woah not virtualbox. virtual windows xp
Jul 11 00:14:37 <destinal> inside the guest OS
Jul 11 00:14:48 <djwhitey> i originally used talk.py
Jul 11 00:14:56 <djwhitey> i'll try novaproxy
Jul 11 00:15:10 <destinal> http://predev.wikidot.com/using-novaproxy
Jul 11 00:15:15 <destinal> try that way
Jul 11 00:15:41 <seigex> i like talk.py
Jul 11 00:15:50 <destinal> seigex: meh, never tried it
Jul 11 00:16:02 <dpp> i used the novaproxy method
Jul 11 00:16:10 <seigex> its easy.. dev mode then python talk.py then telnet in
Jul 11 00:16:15 <destinal> seigex: I run linux and use the precom/oss novacom
Jul 11 00:16:26 <destinal> one step  sudo ./novacom
Jul 11 00:16:27 <destinal> done
Jul 11 00:16:28 <destinal> :)
Jul 11 00:16:39 <seigex> i'm a creature of habit tho and i used that the first time
Jul 11 00:16:47 <seigex> so i won't change :)
Jul 11 00:17:06 <seigex> untar that in /usr/palm/applications
Jul 11 00:17:20 <psykoz> same here, I'm a unix fag, I like my ssh / command line
Jul 11 00:17:38 <djwhitey> destinal: ty
Jul 11 00:18:03 <seigex> actually i need to reinstall linux on this computer .. i have windows 7 on it right now and never installed linux back onto it
Jul 11 00:18:18 <psykoz> I like my winderz 7 ;(
Jul 11 00:18:20 <djwhitey> cmd to mount / rw
Jul 11 00:18:23 <seigex> i have a linux box at home
Jul 11 00:18:29 <psykoz> djwhitey, mount -o remount,rw /
Jul 11 00:18:39 <seigex> oh yeah destinal
Jul 11 00:18:56 <djwhitey> Removing package dropbear from root...
Jul 11 00:18:57 <seigex> even though its something i could do myself.. the alt-optmedia page on the wiki
Jul 11 00:19:01 <seigex> doesn't talk about putting it in fstab
Jul 11 00:19:04 <seigex> to auto-mount
Jul 11 00:19:12 <djwhitey> .Removing package dropbear from root...
Jul 11 00:19:13 <djwhitey> .//usr/lib/ipkg/info/dropbear.prerm: line 3: /opt/bin/update-alternatives: not found
Jul 11 00:19:14 <seigex> it just talks about the /var/opt method
Jul 11 00:19:22 <psykoz> alt-optmedia?
Jul 11 00:19:31 <seigex> yeah changing the logical volumes
Jul 11 00:19:38 <seigex> reducing /media/internal
Jul 11 00:19:44 <psykoz> Oh
Jul 11 00:19:45 <seigex> and making a 1gb partition for opt
Jul 11 00:21:23 <destinal> seigex: why not bindmount opt?
Jul 11 00:21:32 <destinal> running out of space on / ?
Jul 11 00:24:40 <dpp> brb
Jul 11 00:30:00 <djwhitey> openssh or dropbear
Jul 11 00:30:08 <djwhitey> recommendations?
Jul 11 00:30:32 <psykoz> either or, pick one, drop bear is smaller, more tyipcally used for phones/embedded devices
Jul 11 00:30:58 <dpp> okback
Jul 11 00:31:31 <seigex> its sent
Jul 11 00:31:33 <seigex> should be in ur inbox
Jul 11 00:31:56 <seigex> i use openssh and it works fine..does dropbear support ssh tunnels?
Jul 11 00:32:00 <dpp> sweet, can i just sftp and replace those files on the pre
Jul 11 00:32:16 <seigex> not that i would ever use them for anything with the pre *wink*
Jul 11 00:32:22 <seigex> dpp .. easy way
Jul 11 00:32:34 <seigex> mount your pre as a thumbdrive copy it to the drive
Jul 11 00:32:35 <seigex> unmount it
Jul 11 00:32:50 <seigex> then ssh in copy from /media/internal to /usr/palm/applications
Jul 11 00:32:57 <seigex> rm -rf com.palm.app.messaging
Jul 11 00:33:03 <seigex> and tar -zxvf messaging.tgz
Jul 11 00:33:16 <seigex> and u should be back to normal
Jul 11 00:33:37 <dpp> ok hold on lol, so connect my pre to my laptop and do it as a USB drive
Jul 11 00:33:44 <seigex> yeah
Jul 11 00:33:50 <seigex> and copy onto the usb drive
Jul 11 00:33:54 <seigex> then it will be in /media/internal
Jul 11 00:34:54 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10436 optware/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): uncia: a big cat. Added & promoted
Jul 11 00:35:17 <dpp> ok, now imma open up putty and ssh in that little guy
Jul 11 00:35:26 <seigex> destinal
Jul 11 00:35:33 <destinal> hey
Jul 11 00:35:40 <seigex> we have glib in the optware but no glib-dev
Jul 11 00:35:49 <seigex> u happen to have all the headers so i can install them
Jul 11 00:35:55 <seigex> or was it in that git
Jul 11 00:36:46 <seigex> nevermind i think i found a package
Jul 11 00:36:49 <seigex> for armel
Jul 11 00:37:52 <dpp> ok seigex, so i need to do: cd/media/internal | cp messaging.tar /usr/palm/applications/messaging.tar
Jul 11 00:37:54 <dpp> correct?
Jul 11 00:38:37 <dpp> actually its .tgz, but is that still the correct syntax
Jul 11 00:38:38 <seigex> its messaging.tgz
Jul 11 00:38:41 <seigex> but yeah
Jul 11 00:38:56 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10437 optware/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): srecord: tools for manipulating EPROM load files. Added & promoted
Jul 11 00:39:02 <seigex> and you don't have to add messaging.tar at the end of /usr/palm/applications/
Jul 11 00:39:38 <dpp> ahh, forgot to "sudo cp"
Jul 11 00:39:48 <seigex> sudo -s
Jul 11 00:39:54 <seigex> put you in a root shell
Jul 11 00:40:06 <dpp> ahh
Jul 11 00:40:07 <dpp> much better
Jul 11 00:40:23 <dpp> ok so now that its copied, i should cd /usr/palm/applications
Jul 11 00:40:48 <dpp> and rm -rf com.palm.app.messaging
Jul 11 00:41:04 <seigex> did you untar it already?
Jul 11 00:41:10 <dpp> nope
Jul 11 00:41:13 <dpp> should i untar it first?
Jul 11 00:41:15 <seigex> oh you mean from /media/internal
Jul 11 00:41:20 <seigex> i'd keep it there till ur done just to be safe
Jul 11 00:41:40 <dpp> its still on /media/internal, and its in /usr/palm/applications/
Jul 11 00:41:59 <dpp> so now that its in that dir, should i just untar it over that directory? or should i rm -rf it, THEN untar it
Jul 11 00:42:39 <destinal> sorry had a call
Jul 11 00:43:11 <destinal> seigex: I have a vm of ubuntu server and that dir is all I need
Jul 11 00:43:21 <destinal> so it's standard headers somewhere
Jul 11 00:43:46 <dpp> hmm, if i just tar -zxvf messaging.tgz, will it overwrite the directory thats already in there, or should i rm -rf that com.palm.app.messaging folder
Jul 11 00:44:13 <seigex> im gonna try it righ tnow
Jul 11 00:44:22 <destinal> seigex: do you prefer a native build environment rather than cross compile?
Jul 11 00:44:28 <seigex> yeah
Jul 11 00:44:46 <destinal> what are your reasons?
Jul 11 00:44:54 <seigex> because i'm not always in linux
Jul 11 00:45:04 <seigex> so its easier for me to keep everything on my pre
Jul 11 00:45:09 <seigex> and when i'm at work i can just ssh into my phone
Jul 11 00:45:54 <destinal> ah
Jul 11 00:45:54 <seigex> it wants X11's headers also
Jul 11 00:46:10 <destinal> seigex: you may be able to remove the dependency on  those
Jul 11 00:46:21 <destinal> seigex: it used to do some X stuff
Jul 11 00:46:34 <destinal> I think I removed almost all of that code and any left isn't doing anything
Jul 11 00:46:37 <seigex> its looking for specific type defs from the x11 headers.. so i'd have to go remove all the references to them
Jul 11 00:46:47 <destinal> *nods*
Jul 11 00:46:56 <JackieRipper> dpp: tar will overwrite files that are in the tarball, but will not delete new files
Jul 11 00:47:13 <destinal> or just send me your output and I'll check it out when I get home
Jul 11 00:47:27 <dpp> ahh gotcha, so i can just tar -zxvf messaging.tgz and it should be ok
Jul 11 00:47:27 <destinal> but if you don't mind trying to fix it up, that's even better
Jul 11 00:47:29 <seigex> dpp, it would but i personally always feel safer deleting and reinstalling
Jul 11 00:47:36 <seigex> tghahts just me.. feels more "clean"
Jul 11 00:47:50 <goatslacker> anyone been accepted into the early access program?
Jul 11 00:48:02 <seigex> yeah i was back in may
Jul 11 00:48:22 <JackieRipper> I prefer to move aside, untar, test, delete
Jul 11 00:48:23 <seigex> they relaxed the NDA btw
Jul 11 00:48:29 <seigex> so we can talk about webos app programming now
Jul 11 00:48:37 <seigex> jackie, yeah thats about what i do
Jul 11 00:49:08 <dpp> hmm, so i did tar -zxvf and still got the same thing :\
Jul 11 00:49:23 <seigex> destinal: http://pastebin.com/d743f341b
Jul 11 00:49:31 <goatslacker> seigex, have you used the depot?
Jul 11 00:49:37 <seigex> reboot
Jul 11 00:49:42 <seigex> ur pre
Jul 11 00:49:59 <seigex> [] /sbin/reboot
Jul 11 00:50:14 <dpp> cool, here goes nothin ;)
Jul 11 00:50:17 <destinal> seigex: well npapi.h isn't mine
Jul 11 00:50:27 <JackieRipper> I just noticed my root fs is coming up rw after reboots
Jul 11 00:50:34 <JackieRipper> that is odd
Jul 11 00:50:43 <JackieRipper> and a bit worrisome
Jul 11 00:50:49 <seigex> check ur fstab
Jul 11 00:50:51 <seigex> make sure its ro
Jul 11 00:50:51 <destinal> seigex: look for ifdefs
Jul 11 00:50:56 <JackieRipper> it is
Jul 11 00:51:01 <JackieRipper> first thing I checked
Jul 11 00:51:08 <seigex> there should be no reason it does then .. *shrug8
Jul 11 00:51:09 <seigex> *
Jul 11 00:51:12 <JackieRipper> rootfs  /       ext3    ro,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async,noatime      1       1
Jul 11 00:51:13 <destinal> seigex: it may be defined to be x unix
Jul 11 00:51:22 <djwhitey> root@castle:/# ifconfig
Jul 11 00:51:22 <djwhitey> sh: ifconfig: not found
Jul 11 00:51:24 <seigex> destinal true lemme check
Jul 11 00:51:26 <djwhitey> what the hell
Jul 11 00:51:30 <seigex> its in /sbin
Jul 11 00:51:31 <destinal> djwhitey: /sbin/ifconfig
Jul 11 00:51:32 <seigex> so /sbin/ifconfig
Jul 11 00:51:34 <djwhitey> ty
Jul 11 00:51:40 <destinal> djwhitey: or sudo su -
Jul 11 00:51:49 <djwhitey> shouldn't /sbin be in my path tho
Jul 11 00:51:59 <seigex> jackie, output mount
Jul 11 00:52:00 <destinal> su -   will give you a "proper" root shell since it will exec /etc/profile with uid 0 there are some if statemtns
Jul 11 00:52:09 <djwhitey> i didn't sudo
Jul 11 00:52:14 <destinal> "su -"
Jul 11 00:52:16 <djwhitey> i just used $su
Jul 11 00:52:18 <destinal> with the dash
Jul 11 00:52:37 <JackieRipper> djwhitey: su without the dash will keep your user's environment
Jul 11 00:52:38 <djwhitey> what i'm used to from opensuse
Jul 11 00:52:44 <djwhitey> ahhh ty
Jul 11 00:52:48 <JackieRipper> even in opensuse
Jul 11 00:52:54 <dpp> seigex, destinal, thanks for your help!!
Jul 11 00:52:58 <dpp> it worked like a charm
Jul 11 00:53:01 <seigex> dpp np.. good deal
Jul 11 00:53:09 <JackieRipper> seigex: I've already remounted it ro
Jul 11 00:53:13 <JackieRipper> let me reboot
Jul 11 00:53:14 <seigex> jackie oh
Jul 11 00:53:17 <seigex> weird
Jul 11 00:53:22 <JackieRipper> indeed
Jul 11 00:53:59 <destinal> dpp: cool
Jul 11 00:54:25 <seigex> i wonder if its possible to change the bootloader to grub
Jul 11 00:54:47 <dpp> so seigex, lets say i need to do a fix on my pre, and the webdr app wont recognize my pre, how did you say i was supposed to do that
Jul 11 00:55:03 <seigex> dpp, easiest way is to turn the pre off
Jul 11 00:55:07 <seigex> plug it into the wall
Jul 11 00:55:12 <seigex> hold the volume up
Jul 11 00:55:13 <seigex> and turn it on
Jul 11 00:55:24 <seigex> or you can type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Jul 11 00:55:29 <seigex> and turn on developer mode
Jul 11 00:55:31 <seigex> then reboot
Jul 11 00:55:45 <dpp> ahh, gotcha, so the volume up method shows the usb symbol?
Jul 11 00:55:47 <seigex> but it has to reboot anyways so you might as well do it the first way
Jul 11 00:55:55 <JackieRipper> seigex: this is messed up:  /dev/mapper/store-root on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Jul 11 00:55:57 <seigex> hold volume up and then hold the power button at the same time
Jul 11 00:56:23 <dpp> gotcha, im just making notes of this should i need to do this lol
Jul 11 00:56:35 <seigex> i have that too /dev/mapper/store-root on / type ext3 (rw,data=ordered)
Jul 11 00:56:46 <JackieRipper> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
Jul 11 00:57:00 <destinal> ok bbl
Jul 11 00:57:07 <tharris-> sup
Jul 11 00:57:11 <seigex> whats up tharris
Jul 11 00:57:13 <JackieRipper> seigex: you have that when you boot?
Jul 11 00:57:21 <JackieRipper> rw?
Jul 11 00:57:52 <seigex> try
Jul 11 00:58:06 <seigex> using /usr/bin/rootfs_open -r
Jul 11 00:58:16 <seigex> and it'll close it and reboot
Jul 11 00:58:44 <zonyl> Has anyone tried to create a browser plugin yet?  I was thinking of trying to create a framebuffer of sorts as a plugin much like motion/classic etc are doing.  That way we can have direct graphics for apps in Luna
Jul 11 00:59:13 <jdub> zonyl: yeah, check the wiki
Jul 11 01:05:36 <seigex> zonyl, destinal is working on using a plugin for a terminal program
Jul 11 01:06:09 <seigex> jackie
Jul 11 01:06:15 <seigex> after i ran that root_fs thing i told you
Jul 11 01:06:16 <seigex> and rebooted
Jul 11 01:06:18 <seigex> its closed now
Jul 11 01:06:22 <seigex> i had to reboot manually tho
Jul 11 01:07:27 <JackieRipper> seigex:  /usr/bin/rootfs_open: No such file or directory
Jul 11 01:07:51 <JackieRipper> something is messed up....
Jul 11 01:08:41 <JackieRipper> oops. it's /usr/sbin
Jul 11 01:09:05 <seigex> my bad
Jul 11 01:09:12 <seigex> thats what i meant :)
Jul 11 01:09:17 <zonyl> seigex: Is it going to be a generic graphic plugin (ala fbdev) or more app specific?
Jul 11 01:09:57 <seigex> right now he's working specifically in a plugin to create an app as a terminal so we don't have to ssh into the pre
Jul 11 01:10:04 <seigex> s/in/on
Jul 11 01:11:02 <JackieRipper> I've been playing with shellinabox
Jul 11 01:11:20 <JackieRipper> it works great, but no control/alt keys
Jul 11 01:11:43 <JackieRipper> seigex: that did it...thanks!
Jul 11 01:12:19 <seigex> np
Jul 11 01:15:33 <jdub> zonyl: the code referenced on the wiki is just some basic stuff to illustrate how to do it in general though
Jul 11 01:16:30 <corq-FL> anyone getting "sorry not enough memory, please delete an application..." from the app catalogue? looking at the filesystem with df it seems like I have plenty but I'm wondering how to fix the package manager.
Jul 11 01:18:23 <zonyl> jdub: Ive been looking at the source code to this as a POC on getting a DC onto the browser: http://multimedia.cx/diamondx/
Jul 11 01:21:57 <dpp> he seigex, what happens if i dont mount the drive as read only after ive been sftp'ing files, could that do any damage
Jul 11 01:28:55 <sugardave> dpp: only if you overwrite something with something bad
Jul 11 01:30:15 <dpp> ahh coo
Jul 11 01:30:26 <tharris-> i love my rooting script hege
Jul 11 01:30:28 <tharris-> hehe*
Jul 11 01:30:53 <dpp> tharris, whats a rooting script per say, a way to root it just by running a script instead of manually/?
Jul 11 01:32:11 <tharris-> yeah i make  a file, dump my automated script into and bam its done in like a minute.....
Jul 11 01:32:40 <dpp> no kidding, how long did that take ya
Jul 11 01:33:04 <seigex> tharris, i was just mentioning that earlier
Jul 11 01:33:08 <seigex> was wondering why noone's done it yet
Jul 11 01:33:27 <dpp> now my next question, is it available for us yet? :)
Jul 11 01:33:30 <tharris-> not long its just bash, u still need konami code -> developer mode, instlal novacom, run python, then telnet to box ->>  then run my script
Jul 11 01:33:51 <tharris-> can be if people really wnat it
Jul 11 01:33:52 <tharris-> want*
Jul 11 01:33:54 <seigex> tharris, yeah i know .. i just haven't made one yet
Jul 11 01:34:54 <dpp> i want to try the camera sound on/off stuff
Jul 11 01:35:08 <dpp> i guess this time, i'll make a copy of the camera app before i start messing with it lol
Jul 11 01:35:39 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 01:35:41 <seigex> good idea
Jul 11 01:36:11 <dpp> lol
Jul 11 01:36:52 <tharris-> lol
Jul 11 01:37:15 <tharris-> btw http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/ =)
Jul 11 01:37:21 <dpp> i felt like an idiot(rightfully so)
Jul 11 01:37:22 <seigex> whoever did findutils in optware forgot to add updatedb and locate
Jul 11 01:37:28 <seigex> which would be really helfpul
Jul 11 01:37:31 <seigex> helpful
Jul 11 01:37:52 <seigex> damn this invalid tar magic cra
Jul 11 01:37:53 <seigex> crap
Jul 11 01:38:27 <dpp> hah
Jul 11 01:38:51 <dpp> tharris, you found a vulnerability? thats awesome heh
Jul 11 01:39:08 <dpp> wait, is that your own site?
Jul 11 01:41:48 <dpp> hummmm, this camera one is confusing to me.. maybe i WONT do anything with it just yet lol
Jul 11 01:42:12 <tharris-> yeah thats my site
Jul 11 01:42:58 <tharris-> http://www.slashphone.com/palm-fixes-security-hole-with-webos-1-0-4-updates-306219 scroll down =p you will see my name
Jul 11 01:43:30 <dpp> thats awesome!!!
Jul 11 01:44:25 <tharris-> yeah
Jul 11 01:45:18 <dpp> i remember reading an article on engadget.com about it.. and they were saying that they threw out props to a guy.. had no idea i would actually talk to him lol
Jul 11 01:45:36 <tharris-> =]
Jul 11 01:46:33 <seigex> hah
Jul 11 01:46:48 <seigex> tharris, dpp is making u a star.. watch out the paparazzi might show up at ur house
Jul 11 01:46:50 <seigex> :D
Jul 11 01:47:38 <dpp> heh
Jul 11 01:47:40 <tharris-> lol
Jul 11 01:48:08 <dpp> ur gunna be more popular than lindsay lohan with 10lbs of cocaine..
Jul 11 01:48:13 * tharris- blushes
Jul 11 01:48:21 <tharris-> i dont think that is possible
Jul 11 01:48:30 <dpp> true, thats pretty outlandish
Jul 11 01:49:07 <seigex> haha
Jul 11 01:49:25 <tharris-> odd using just the ipk files, it didnt install into my launcher
Jul 11 01:49:38 <tharris-> for new homebrew
Jul 11 01:50:04 <dpp> im making a copy of all my applications as we speak lol, just in case i start messing with stuff
Jul 11 01:50:07 <jdub> take away the cocaine and you have a chance
Jul 11 01:54:02 <dpp> pizza time!
Jul 11 02:19:20 <Letrab> Hello, does anyone have a moment to speak with me about an issue i just ran into rooting my Pre?
Jul 11 02:19:58 <dpp> hmmm
Jul 11 02:20:03 <rboatright> sure
Jul 11 02:20:07 <dpp> i cant sftp into my pre damnit
Jul 11 02:21:01 <jdub> dpp: if you're using dropbear, that's why :-)
Jul 11 02:21:03 <rboatright> use scp
Jul 11 02:21:20 <dpp> i was in it just a few minutes ago though... and i closed out, and tried to go back in, no go
Jul 11 02:21:20 <rboatright> did you use openssh or dropbear 'cause dropbear doesn't suport sftp
Jul 11 02:21:46 <dpp> install openssh-sftp-server
Jul 11 02:21:50 <dpp> thats what i used...
Jul 11 02:22:22 <rboatright> Letrab -- if you'll join #webos, we'll be happy to help all you want, and it's better to do it open than in dcc
Jul 11 02:22:22 <tharris-> did u install openssh or dropbear?
Jul 11 02:22:37 <dpp> well, originally i installed dropbear
Jul 11 02:22:40 <Letrab> sure
Jul 11 02:23:53 <dpp> any ideas tharris?
Jul 11 02:25:35 <dpp> or anyone heh
Jul 11 02:25:39 <tharris-> can u ssh
Jul 11 02:25:44 <dpp> yeah
Jul 11 02:25:46 <dpp> im in ssh
Jul 11 02:25:54 <tharris-> get winscp and use ssh
Jul 11 02:26:45 <dpp> i have winscp, thats how i made a backup of all my apps
Jul 11 02:26:52 <tharris-> thats how i do it
Jul 11 02:26:52 <dpp> but i closed out on accident, now it wont go back in heh
Jul 11 02:26:58 <tharris-> winscp?
Jul 11 02:27:00 <dpp> yeah
Jul 11 02:27:09 <tharris-> but you can ssh to it?
Jul 11 02:27:13 <dpp> yeah
Jul 11 02:27:23 <dpp> im in the root shell as we speak
Jul 11 02:27:37 <tharris-> then I am confused since winscp uses ssh :/
Jul 11 02:27:49 <tharris-> maybe restart opensshd
Jul 11 02:27:53 <tharris-> or sshd*
Jul 11 02:28:01 <dpp> whats a command to do that
Jul 11 02:28:17 <tharris-> one sec
Jul 11 02:28:46 <tharris-> its going to kick you out soooooo if ur local (as in on ur local wlan) then i would start up telnetd first then kill sshd
Jul 11 02:29:10 <dpp> ok
Jul 11 02:30:49 <dpp> hmm
Jul 11 02:30:55 <dpp> now i cant even ssh, or telnet in lol
Jul 11 02:31:32 <tharris-> did u start up telnetd?
Jul 11 02:31:46 <dpp> not before i closed it out, i think imma restart my pre
Jul 11 02:31:47 <tharris-> before u killed openssh
Jul 11 02:32:01 <tharris-> yeah do that
Jul 11 02:32:06 <tharris-> gl i need sleep =p
Jul 11 02:32:10 <tharris-> you should be fine though
Jul 11 02:32:14 <dpp> ok, thanks man
Jul 11 02:32:23 <tharris-> as long as you follow directions of predev wiki
Jul 11 02:32:34 <dpp> thats what i'll do, thanks again
Jul 11 02:34:33 <dpp> mmm love how long this thing takes to reboot ;)
Jul 11 02:38:12 <dpp> hmmm
Jul 11 02:38:17 <dpp> now i cant even ssh into it anymore
Jul 11 02:39:08 <dpp> if i do "telnet <preIP> 222" it shows dropbear is running
Jul 11 02:40:26 <WillJitsu> Is there a way to install the homebrew apps listed at http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/ via ssh instead of using the SDK to install them?  I've already rooted my pre.
Jul 11 02:47:30 <JackieRipper> WillJitsu: you can probably download the package and do /usr/bin/ipkg /path/to/file
Jul 11 02:47:40 <JackieRipper> not positive, though
Jul 11 02:48:34 <JackieRipper> er sorry
Jul 11 02:48:45 <JackieRipper> that's /usr/bin/ipkg install /path/to/file
Jul 11 02:58:36 <dpp> mmm
Jul 11 02:58:47 <dpp> nothin like some good totinos pizzas, and some pre rootin
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