**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 12 02:59:57 2009
Jul 12 03:03:16 <joesmith> whats the default password for root on the pre? root, toor?
Jul 12 03:03:31 <rboatright> no password
Jul 12 03:05:46 <joesmith> shit enter doesnt work, I have no idea what I set the root to when I created another user
Jul 12 03:05:59 <joesmith> K1Pp3r
Jul 12 03:06:07 <joesmith> something like that
Jul 12 03:06:09 <joesmith> shit
Jul 12 03:06:50 <rboatright> 1)  always write passwords down.
Jul 12 03:07:00 <rboatright> 2) store them somewhere not on the machine in question.
Jul 12 03:07:03 <rboatright> 3) see rule 1.
Jul 12 03:07:25 * sugardave cringes at #1.
Jul 12 03:09:35 <joesmith> I 1. I always write passwords down, 2. encrypt them in .jpg on my external harddrive 3. I didnt relise I was making a password for root I thought I left it blank
Jul 12 03:09:59 <joesmith> I have never had this problem, :(
Jul 12 03:09:59 <gkatsev> you could always reset the phone. :D
Jul 12 03:10:10 <joesmith> uhhh No
Jul 12 03:10:52 <gkatsev> also, you can just log in as user, and do sudo su
Jul 12 03:10:59 <gkatsev> no root pass needed
Jul 12 03:11:04 <joesmith> I am tring it
Jul 12 03:11:09 <joesmith> trying it
Jul 12 03:14:02 <joesmith> still get password prompt
Jul 12 03:15:07 <gkatsev> joesmith: it asks for the users pass no root
Jul 12 03:15:45 <joesmith> lol
Jul 12 03:16:14 <joesmith> ok well I reset the root password already\
Jul 12 03:16:21 <joesmith> thanks thought
Jul 12 03:16:24 <joesmith> though
Jul 12 03:36:29 <joesmith> ok this is noobish but whats the reboot command, su reboot/ su -r??
Jul 12 03:36:39 <joesmith> becaus enone of them are working
Jul 12 03:37:10 <sugardave> su shutdown -r now
Jul 12 03:37:14 <sugardave> should woork
Jul 12 03:37:19 <sugardave> but so should 'su reboot'
Jul 12 03:37:45 <joesmith> it says su: unknown id: reboot
Jul 12 03:37:57 <sugardave> are you already root?
Jul 12 03:38:07 <joesmith> yep
Jul 12 03:38:11 <sugardave> then you don't need to su
Jul 12 03:38:15 <sugardave> just 'reboot'
Jul 12 03:38:19 <joesmith> still wont work
Jul 12 03:38:29 <sugardave> you only run 'su' if you're NOT logged in as root
Jul 12 03:38:41 <joesmith> I know, but it wasnt working
Jul 12 03:38:44 <sugardave> try 'shutdown -r now'
Jul 12 03:39:12 <joesmith> not found
Jul 12 03:39:18 <sugardave> then your path is f-ed up
Jul 12 03:39:40 <sugardave> do '/sbin/reboot'
Jul 12 03:40:19 <joesmith> LOL I just relised I was still in the palm dir
Jul 12 03:40:25 <joesmith> thanks sugardave
Jul 12 03:40:58 <sugardave> shouldn't matter what dir you are in.../sbin should be in your path, but it looks like it's not
Jul 12 03:41:20 <JackieRipper> not usually
Jul 12 03:41:38 <sugardave> no?
Jul 12 03:41:51 <JackieRipper> regular users don't normally have /sbin and /usr/sbin in theor PATHs by default
Jul 12 03:42:04 <sugardave> oh, he didn't do 'su -', right?
Jul 12 03:42:09 <sugardave> just su
Jul 12 03:42:15 <JackieRipper> yeah
Jul 12 03:42:18 <sugardave> gotcha
Jul 12 03:42:18 <JackieRipper> looks like it
Jul 12 03:43:04 <destinal> JackieRipper: I do whenever I'm a sudo-able user, there's a lot of useful stuff that doesn't need root and also  sudo without su uses your current path
Jul 12 03:43:58 <destinal> my first act on most of my linux systems is sudo su -   and then echo "export PATH='
Jul 12 03:44:04 <destinal> $PATH > /etc/profile etc
Jul 12 03:44:31 <destinal> er >> /etc/profile  (important)
Jul 12 03:44:32 <destinal> ;)
Jul 12 03:44:35 <sugardave> haha
Jul 12 03:44:37 <JackieRipper> destinal: That's cool
Jul 12 03:44:38 <joesmith> thanks guys
Jul 12 03:44:52 <JackieRipper> I was just talking about defaults :)
Jul 12 03:45:06 <destinal> JackieRipper: yeah I think the defaults are less than optimal
Jul 12 03:45:16 <JackieRipper> I also like having /sbin in my PATH
Jul 12 03:45:20 <destinal> for administrative types anyway and on your phone I doubt you have any normal users
Jul 12 03:45:26 <JackieRipper> if only because ifconfig is there
Jul 12 03:45:30 <destinal> "normal"
Jul 12 03:45:51 <sugardave> I have NORML users on mine
Jul 12 03:46:02 <sugardave> well, just me
Jul 12 03:46:11 <JackieRipper> destinal: any user with a login shell that is not root is a "normal" user, for our purposes
Jul 12 03:46:15 <joesmith> I cant log into winscp as root for some reason
Jul 12 03:46:18 <destinal> and iptables and lsmod and a lot more
Jul 12 03:46:24 <joesmith> any ideas?
Jul 12 03:46:29 <sugardave> joesmith: use your regular user
Jul 12 03:46:38 <sugardave> then copy files to /tmp
Jul 12 03:46:51 <joesmith> ahh
Jul 12 03:46:52 <sugardave> then log into Pre, switch to root, then move where you want them
Jul 12 03:47:13 <joesmith> but is there anyway to get in as root?
Jul 12 03:47:19 <destinal> joesmith: or honestly if you have a root password set and you restrict ssh to usb0 just change dropbear's config
Jul 12 03:47:23 <destinal> to allow root
Jul 12 03:47:36 <sugardave> that works, too
Jul 12 03:48:26 <destinal> my usb interfaces are pretty hard for an attacker to get into lol
Jul 12 03:48:58 <joesmith> but what if I want to scp over wifi as root?
Jul 12 03:49:40 <destinal> you can but some have raised concerns about having a strong enough password, you're probably best off with an ssh key with a passphrase on it.
Jul 12 03:51:03 <JackieRipper> any one here who has yet to enable root access? Or who has recently reset the phone and not enabled root access again, yet?
Jul 12 03:51:26 <destinal> JackieRipper: why?
Jul 12 03:51:30 <JackieRipper> I think I've scripted the whole process
Jul 12 03:51:43 <JackieRipper> but I'd like another tester before I post it
Jul 12 03:53:14 <joesmith614> ok I tried winscp over usb as root but it still kicked me out what do I need to do?
Jul 12 03:53:59 <JackieRipper> it creates /opt, downloads and installs ipkg-opt, interactively creates a user, updates the opware feed, installs dropbear, creates /etc/profile.d/optware, enables sudo for the new user, installs quilt, and clones the webos-internals modifications repository
Jul 12 03:57:28 <rboatright> wow.
Jul 12 03:58:03 <rboatright> so,  turn on dev mode.   log in.  wget this thing.  ./setup.sh  and boom you're done!
Jul 12 03:58:05 <rboatright> wow.
Jul 12 03:58:14 <JackieRipper> There's a bunch of error checking, but another set of eyes would be nice :)
Jul 12 03:58:32 <rboatright> sorry JackieRipper  -- I'm not restoring my pre for you.
Jul 12 03:58:37 <JackieRipper> lol
Jul 12 03:58:46 <JackieRipper> no one's asking that ;)
Jul 12 04:03:36 <joesmith614> how can I connect via winscp as root over usb?
Jul 12 04:03:48 <joesmith614> or is there a way to become su in winscp
Jul 12 04:05:06 <JackieRipper> http://unixgeeks.biz/scripts/setup.gz if anyone is interested in looking/commenting
Jul 12 04:11:48 <rboatright> Just updated front page of the wiki, added a section referencing the research-results and help-begging page on browser-plugins and terminals.
Jul 12 04:12:00 <rboatright> now to go kill orphans.
Jul 12 04:12:19 <rboatright> WHY do people create orphan pages on a wiki????   That's so uh,  err,   uh   USELESS.
Jul 12 04:13:02 <joesmith614> I was confused be your first comment but now I get it lol
Jul 12 04:13:18 <JackieRipper> All of the pages I created were orphans
Jul 12 04:13:34 <JackieRipper> until I got them right, then I linked them appropriately
Jul 12 04:14:25 <rboatright> JackieRipper -- post a "work in progress" banner at the top, and link them to a research portal page.
Jul 12 04:14:44 <JackieRipper> ahh I didn't even think of that
Jul 12 04:14:48 <rboatright> right
Jul 12 04:14:56 <rboatright> But for future reference....
Jul 12 04:15:06 <rboatright> even a WiP page may help someone else....
Jul 12 04:16:33 <joesmith614> I think I am root on winscp?
Jul 12 05:41:49 <sung> okay, since this is the only "active" webos channel, i'll ask here.
Jul 12 05:41:54 <sung> what's upw ith this handset working on verizon?
Jul 12 05:44:03 <tlz> its only a matter of time
Jul 12 05:55:58 <joesmith> is anyone around?
Jul 12 05:57:02 <raeb> more square than anything
Jul 12 05:58:05 <tlz> lol
Jul 12 05:58:15 <joesmith> does anyone know how to add a user to wheel?
Jul 12 05:58:31 <joesmith> I dont even see wheel under /etc/group
Jul 12 05:59:47 <destinal> joesmith: just make one
Jul 12 06:00:02 <destinal> joesmith: find a multiple of ten that isn't used and use that number
Jul 12 06:00:06 <destinal> and call it wheel
Jul 12 06:00:17 <destinal> and add yourself on the end of that line
Jul 12 06:00:43 <destinal> or just add your own login name to sudoers instead of that group
Jul 12 06:01:08 <joesmith> and how would I do that?
Jul 12 06:01:22 <joesmith> your talking to a basic linux n00b
Jul 12 06:02:09 <joesmith> right now under /etc/group I see JOE:x1001:
Jul 12 06:02:30 <joesmith> would I add my name to sudo:*
Jul 12 06:02:51 <joesmith> would I add my name to "sudo;*"
Jul 12 06:03:11 <art_sjc> hello, is there anyone who can give me some quick help with sqlite3? I seem to be stuck in the continue prompt (...> )
Jul 12 06:06:25 <jauderho_> wtf
Jul 12 06:06:46 <joesmith> would this work? wheel:*:0:root,user_here
Jul 12 06:06:56 <jauderho_> I keep getting fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Jul 12 06:06:56 <jauderho_> but the git push works.
Jul 12 06:07:10 <joesmith> wheel;*:0:root,user_here
Jul 12 06:07:32 <joesmith> except after wheel colon
Jul 12 06:07:54 <art_sjc> nevermind I figured it out
Jul 12 06:08:57 <joesmith> helloo?
Jul 12 06:10:21 <destinal> joesmith: add the lines in here
Jul 12 06:10:21 <destinal> http://predev.wikidot.com/sftp-access
Jul 12 06:10:58 <destinal> myusername ALL=(ALL) ALL
Jul 12 06:10:59 <destinal> myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/libexec/sftp-server
Jul 12 06:11:25 <destinal> the second line is mainly useful if you want to put in the sftpd from openssh
Jul 12 06:11:36 <destinal> but doesn't hurt anything to put in now in case you ever get it
Jul 12 06:12:34 <destinal> the proper line to use if you really want a wheel group is something like this in /etc/group
Jul 12 06:12:36 <destinal> wheel:x:70:myusername
Jul 12 06:12:51 <destinal> make sure 70 is unused or add 10 until you get one that _is_ unused
Jul 12 06:13:19 <joesmith> I just want to scp as su
Jul 12 06:13:51 <destinal> joesmith: then do the openssh thing they list there in that wiki article I just sent
Jul 12 06:14:02 <joesmith> do I have to put the directory?
Jul 12 06:14:10 <joesmith> thanks so much for the article
Jul 12 06:14:12 <destinal> just follow the article all the way through
Jul 12 06:14:21 <destinal> including the ipkg-opt install
Jul 12 06:14:31 <joesmith> I am using dropbear though
Jul 12 06:14:35 <destinal> that's fine
Jul 12 06:14:42 <destinal> dropbear can use the sftpd from openssh
Jul 12 06:14:53 <destinal> it won't make it be bloated
Jul 12 06:14:59 <joesmith> ok
Jul 12 06:15:34 <joesmith> so in therory once I do this I can su scp/sftp
Jul 12 06:16:11 <jauderho_> I hate how git's error messages are so obscure.
Jul 12 06:18:31 <joesmith> what do you think might happen if I put myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /root ?
Jul 12 06:19:15 <destinal> ..  /root isn't a program
Jul 12 06:19:23 <destinal> that line would accomplish nothing
Jul 12 06:19:58 <joesmith> I thought I was specifying the directory
Jul 12 06:20:06 <joesmith> sorry :(
Jul 12 06:21:00 <destinal> you want to go easy on the NOPASSWD lines at any rate
Jul 12 06:21:46 <destinal> basically that last entry in the line in the article makes it possible to run the sftp server side portion on connnect with no password
Jul 12 06:22:43 <destinal> I don't do any of this myself.   I just restrict ssh to usb0 only (usb-"ethernet" interface (usbnet)) and set a root password then change dropbear's configuration to allow root logins.  after that I can just login as root
Jul 12 06:22:59 <destinal> it's not a good idea unless you're going to restrict access with iptables and only ssh over usb though
Jul 12 06:23:36 <raeb> but whatabout ninjas with tiny microusb wireless devices who want to brute force your ssh over usbnet
Jul 12 06:24:53 <joesmith> that sounds good, All I want to do is 1. scp as su and I would be glad to turn off ssh through wifi
Jul 12 06:24:55 <destinal> well, then you're pwn3d, sorry.
Jul 12 06:24:57 <JackieRipper> You could also disallow logins with passwords, and just use keys
Jul 12 06:25:23 <JackieRipper> ssh logins, rather
Jul 12 06:25:27 <destinal> yeah and if you want to ssh as root over wifi I'd use keys with passphrases
Jul 12 06:25:44 <destinal> but usb, a password's fine
Jul 12 06:25:58 <JackieRipper> that would also solve the sudo NOPASSWD thing
Jul 12 06:26:14 <destinal> the ninjas could just hit YOU with the dart anyway
Jul 12 06:26:23 <destinal> notsohardhack
Jul 12 06:26:33 <destinal> then steal your phone
Jul 12 06:26:33 <JackieRipper> sure, but then I'm dead and they have no passphrase
Jul 12 06:26:43 <joesmith> If I do that could I use scp as su *crys from exhaustion*
Jul 12 06:27:08 <destinal> joesmith: I hear you.  hang on a sec
Jul 12 06:27:33 <JackieRipper> joesmith: isn't there something on the wiki about setting up scp as root using keys?
Jul 12 06:28:12 <joesmith> I have looked
Jul 12 06:28:17 <joesmith> not seen anything
Jul 12 06:28:21 <joesmith> I may be wrong
Jul 12 06:28:55 <JackieRipper> what's not working with http://predev.wikidot.com/sftp-access ?
Jul 12 06:29:27 <destinal> yeah that's probably the easiest one at this point
Jul 12 06:29:41 <JackieRipper> hmmmm
Jul 12 06:30:05 <JackieRipper> could you do a wrapper script to /opt/libexec/sftp-server ?
Jul 12 06:31:16 <JackieRipper> something like sudo mount -o remount,rw / ; sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server "$@" ; sudo mount -o remount,ro /
Jul 12 06:32:09 <joesmith> ok I am going to share how I have feel. 1. I just got my pre 2. I have been playing with the sdk for a couple of weeks and have been using scp to upload files and do a small amount of editing, I was su on the emulator 3. I just want to get that simplicity back :(
Jul 12 06:32:18 <JackieRipper> and then call that script instead of sftp-server, and add myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/mount to sudoers
Jul 12 06:32:58 <sax_> are you using winscp?
Jul 12 06:33:04 <joesmith> I was
Jul 12 06:33:15 <joesmith> i AM
Jul 12 06:33:17 <JackieRipper> joesmith: I have a few ideas, but no winscp to test on (no windoze box at all, happily)
Jul 12 06:33:27 <jauderho_> I dont believe dropbear allows ssh as root
Jul 12 06:33:28 <sax_> thats what i use
Jul 12 06:33:40 <joesmith> sax are you su?
Jul 12 06:33:45 <jauderho_> wait you are talking sftp. nevermind
Jul 12 06:34:01 <JackieRipper> joesmith: try something for me?
Jul 12 06:34:08 <joesmith> sure
Jul 12 06:34:13 <JackieRipper> perhaps it will solve your problem
Jul 12 06:34:29 <JackieRipper> ok, are you loggen into your pre?
Jul 12 06:34:31 <binarytech> hey can someone tell me the luna-send command for refreshing the launcher, the one i have is not working for some reason.
Jul 12 06:34:43 <joesmith> yep
Jul 12 06:34:46 <JackieRipper> and you have openssh-sftp-server installed?
Jul 12 06:34:53 <joesmith> not yet
Jul 12 06:34:59 <JackieRipper> ahh
Jul 12 06:35:22 <JackieRipper> ok, well, try this:
Jul 12 06:35:53 <JackieRipper> do you have /opt set up> and ipkg-opt set up?
Jul 12 06:36:08 <joesmith> yes
Jul 12 06:36:15 <JackieRipper> ok, cool
Jul 12 06:36:17 <JackieRipper> so...
Jul 12 06:36:27 <JackieRipper> sudo mkdir /opt/scripts
Jul 12 06:36:45 <JackieRipper> sudo -e /opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:38:05 <JackieRipper> In the new file, add http://predev.pastebin.com/m2ee95f87
Jul 12 06:38:14 <JackieRipper> well, add the contents of that
Jul 12 06:39:09 <joesmith> ok
Jul 12 06:39:12 <JackieRipper> then do: sudo chmod 755 /opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:39:42 <JackieRipper> sudo visudo
Jul 12 06:40:46 <JackieRipper> add the contents of this: http://predev.pastebin.com/m2cd538e8
Jul 12 06:41:08 <JackieRipper> unless you already have the "myusername ALL=(ALL) ALL" line, then just add the other 2
Jul 12 06:41:36 <joesmith> opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper: No such file or directory
Jul 12 06:41:45 <joesmith> sorry I was slow
Jul 12 06:42:02 <JackieRipper> did you do sudo mkdir /opt/scripts
Jul 12 06:42:05 <joesmith> yes
Jul 12 06:42:26 <JackieRipper> sudo -e /opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper is what failed?
Jul 12 06:42:50 <JackieRipper> or the chmod?
Jul 12 06:43:07 <joesmith> yes
Jul 12 06:43:15 <JackieRipper> heh, which?
Jul 12 06:43:22 <joesmith> sudo -e /opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:43:31 <JackieRipper> cd  /opt/scripts/
Jul 12 06:43:40 <JackieRipper> sudo touch sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:43:49 <JackieRipper> sudo -e sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:44:31 <joesmith> ok
Jul 12 06:44:40 <joesmith> there is nothing in the file
Jul 12 06:45:07 <tmzt> alternatives use wrappers?
Jul 12 06:45:11 <tmzt> not symlinks?
Jul 12 06:45:42 <tmzt> oh
Jul 12 06:45:48 <JackieRipper> yup, add the contents of http://predev.pastebin.com/m2ee95f87
Jul 12 06:45:57 <tmzt> to make it readwrite
Jul 12 06:46:09 <JackieRipper> tmzt: trying to get the wrapper to mount rw, do sftp server, then mount ro
Jul 12 06:46:24 <tmzt> are you using certs?
Jul 12 06:46:40 <tmzt> well, sftp-server is special
Jul 12 06:46:56 <tmzt> if your mount command ouputs anything it might break
Jul 12 06:47:03 <tmzt> the better way is the
Jul 12 06:47:13 <tmzt> ssh ip mount -0 remount,rw /
Jul 12 06:47:16 <tmzt> first
Jul 12 06:47:26 <tmzt> remotely
Jul 12 06:47:30 <JackieRipper> sure, but that requires a second program, no?
Jul 12 06:47:35 <joesmith> I am confused how do I just undo what I have done
Jul 12 06:47:42 <joesmith> delete file
Jul 12 06:47:44 <JackieRipper> what did you do?
Jul 12 06:47:45 <tmzt> well
Jul 12 06:47:48 <JackieRipper> rm filename
Jul 12 06:47:50 <tmzt> try stfp -v
Jul 12 06:47:59 <tmzt> see if you get protocol error
Jul 12 06:48:09 * joesmith is so tired
Jul 12 06:48:09 <tmzt> yeah it would
Jul 12 06:48:17 <tmzt> what client are you using?
Jul 12 06:48:21 <joesmith> putty
Jul 12 06:48:29 <tmzt> psftp?
Jul 12 06:48:44 <joesmith> I am not using sftp
Jul 12 06:48:51 <tmzt> it doesnqt really have rsh equivalent
Jul 12 06:48:57 <jauderho_> binarytech: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}
Jul 12 06:48:58 <tmzt> the what are you doing?
Jul 12 06:49:13 <binarytech> thanks
Jul 12 06:49:16 <joesmith> I dont know :(
Jul 12 06:49:34 <JackieRipper> oh wait, I misread the earlier conversation
Jul 12 06:49:43 <JackieRipper> joesmith, I'm sorry
Jul 12 06:49:49 <joesmith> jackie what do I doto undo what you told me to do
Jul 12 06:50:08 <JackieRipper> rm  /opt/scripts/sftp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:50:15 <JackieRipper> rmdir  /opt/scripts
Jul 12 06:51:08 <JackieRipper> and if you got that far, sudo visudo, and remove whatever lines you added due to my instructions
Jul 12 06:51:32 <joesmith> rmdir: '/opt/scripts': Directory not empty
Jul 12 06:51:58 <JackieRipper> ls /opt/scripts
Jul 12 06:52:44 <destinal> tmzt: hey
Jul 12 06:53:07 <joesmith> stp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:53:12 <JackieRipper> ahh
Jul 12 06:53:21 <JackieRipper> there was a typo before :)
Jul 12 06:53:32 <JackieRipper> rm /opt/scripts/stp-server-wrapper
Jul 12 06:53:36 <JackieRipper> rmdir  /opt/scripts
Jul 12 06:54:57 <joesmith> thsnkd
Jul 12 06:56:40 <tmzt> destinal: hello, what's going on
Jul 12 06:57:28 <jauderho_> alrighty. pushed a bunch of patches out.
Jul 12 06:58:01 <rwhitby> JackieRipper, joesmith: you know it would be so much easier just to use the instructions on the applying-patches patch to give root some keys and then just sftp directly in as root ...
Jul 12 06:58:25 <JackieRipper> he's not looking to sftp, though
Jul 12 06:58:33 <JackieRipper> that's where I was confused
Jul 12 06:58:41 <JackieRipper> he wants to scp
Jul 12 06:58:47 <JackieRipper> right joesmith?
Jul 12 06:58:53 <joesmith> correct
Jul 12 06:58:56 <rwhitby> same deal - add some keys and do it as root.
Jul 12 06:58:58 <tmzt> which is just ssh
Jul 12 06:59:08 <tmzt> starts scp as a standard program
Jul 12 06:59:12 <jauderho_> let's see if this smart reflex works.
Jul 12 06:59:37 <tmzt> but you only want to hook if the remote operation switch is used
Jul 12 07:00:05 <joesmith> please take a look at this video and tell me what I need to do to make it a reality
Jul 12 07:00:08 <joesmith> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gozMvgsomb0
Jul 12 07:00:26 <destinal> tmzt: not much going on, I've been distracted rebuilding my OS :(
Jul 12 07:01:30 <joesmith> when I try to replace files it prompts me for a password and none that I give it will work
Jul 12 07:01:33 <destinal> have a much better dev environment though now (ubuntu desktop) and I've been reading up on vte and gdk
Jul 12 07:03:51 <jauderho_> joesmith are you using openssh? or dropbear?
Jul 12 07:05:48 <joesmith> dropbear
Jul 12 07:07:09 <jauderho_> and you have set things up according to that video?
Jul 12 07:07:42 <joesmith> well no I dint add my user to wheel
Jul 12 07:07:50 <joesmith> I couldnt find wheel
Jul 12 07:08:04 <joesmith> and I am confused an tired
Jul 12 07:08:20 <joesmith> I looked under /etc/groups no wheel
Jul 12 07:08:22 <jauderho_> add it to root
Jul 12 07:08:43 <joesmith> ok could I have an example I cant think
Jul 12 07:08:51 <tmzt> is it root or admin?
Jul 12 07:08:59 <tmzt> what is the rule in sudorers?
Jul 12 07:09:20 <JackieRipper> it's root
Jul 12 07:09:31 <JackieRipper> the group's name is root
Jul 12 07:09:36 <jauderho_> %root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
Jul 12 07:09:49 <jauderho_> some unix systems it's called wheel. others it's called root
Jul 12 07:09:52 <JackieRipper> or you could just do:
Jul 12 07:09:54 <joesmith> ok so how should it look root:*:0:my user na,e
Jul 12 07:09:59 <jauderho_> different name same UID
Jul 12 07:10:04 <JackieRipper> myusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
Jul 12 07:10:06 <joesmith> ok so how should it look root;*:0:my user na,e
Jul 12 07:10:10 <JackieRipper> without the %
Jul 12 07:10:14 <tmzt> gid
Jul 12 07:10:24 <tmzt> root group has gid 0
Jul 12 07:10:28 <jauderho_> do %root or yourusername
Jul 12 07:10:33 <jauderho_> pick one
Jul 12 07:10:47 <joesmith> under /etc/group
Jul 12 07:10:47 <tmzt> just use adduser or useradd
Jul 12 07:10:48 <jauderho_> maybe you shouldnt do this when you are tired.
Jul 12 07:10:52 <tmzt> much easier
Jul 12 07:11:24 <jauderho_> I dont like hearing crying because of accidental rm -rf /   =)
Jul 12 07:11:37 <joesmith> ok do I need to edit visudo or /etc/group
Jul 12 07:12:42 <tmzt> both
Jul 12 07:12:52 <tmzt> add the group line to group
Jul 12 07:13:00 <JackieRipper> joesmith: it depends.  You can either add your user to the root group in /etc/groups, then add %root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL to sudoers, or you can just add youusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL to sudoers
Jul 12 07:13:32 <destinal> or he could just turn on root ssh and deal with the risk
Jul 12 07:13:34 <joesmith> tell which one is most simple and the exact thing to do please
Jul 12 07:13:45 <JackieRipper> visudo
Jul 12 07:13:49 <joesmith> ok
Jul 12 07:14:07 <JackieRipper> yourusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
Jul 12 07:14:33 <joesmith> at the end under %users
Jul 12 07:14:38 <JackieRipper> make sure that requiretty is commented out
Jul 12 07:14:44 <JackieRipper> yes, at the end
Jul 12 07:15:34 <JackieRipper> that is , make sure there is a # in the beginning of the line that has "defaults requiretty"
Jul 12 07:15:53 <joesmith> I cant find defaults requitty
Jul 12 07:16:01 <joesmith> requiretty
Jul 12 07:16:23 <JackieRipper> any line containing requiretty?
Jul 12 07:16:32 <joesmith> nope
Jul 12 07:16:36 <JackieRipper> ok...
Jul 12 07:16:49 <JackieRipper> we'll hope it works, then :)
Jul 12 07:16:54 <joesmith> file visudo
Jul 12 07:17:21 <joesmith> will I need to reboot
Jul 12 07:17:26 <JackieRipper> ok, you're set on the phone end
Jul 12 07:17:43 <JackieRipper> try out putty
Jul 12 07:20:07 <joesmith> visudo: Warning: User_Alias `JOE' referenced but not defined
Jul 12 07:20:14 <joesmith> when I edited visudo
Jul 12 07:20:15 <tmzt> you don't want to use root group like that
Jul 12 07:20:54 <joesmith> what do I want then?
Jul 12 07:21:21 <tmzt> too many device nodes have group root
Jul 12 07:21:42 <tmzt> I would just add user to sudoers
Jul 12 07:21:46 <JackieRipper> joesmith: linux is case sensitive... is your user joe or JOE?
Jul 12 07:21:52 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 12 07:23:25 <joesmith> JOE
Jul 12 07:23:30 <joesmith> http://predev.pastebin.com/m5e498272
Jul 12 07:23:40 <joesmith> thats the visudo
Jul 12 07:25:20 <joesmith> I dont understand why its wheel under visudo but not under /etc/group
Jul 12 07:25:27 <tmzt> what is it in /etc/passwd though?
Jul 12 07:25:38 <tmzt> the mix packages
Jul 12 07:25:41 <tmzt> they
Jul 12 07:25:48 <tmzt> from different distros
Jul 12 07:25:59 <tmzt> no policy
Jul 12 07:27:01 <joesmith> if I could just add my account to wheel/root whatever so no password then I think I am set
Jul 12 07:27:29 <JackieRipper> joesmith: just add you account to sudoers rather than the who group
Jul 12 07:27:35 <JackieRipper> whole*
Jul 12 07:27:58 <joesmith> ok where do I add it
Jul 12 07:28:11 <JackieRipper> visudo
Jul 12 07:28:22 <JackieRipper> myusername ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
Jul 12 07:28:30 <joesmith> I did that
Jul 12 07:28:45 <JackieRipper> what is your username?
Jul 12 07:28:51 <joesmith> JOE
Jul 12 07:29:00 <JackieRipper> all caps like that?
Jul 12 07:29:12 <joesmith> yep
Jul 12 07:29:18 <JackieRipper> grep JOE /etc/passwd
Jul 12 07:29:56 <joesmith> ok
Jul 12 07:30:02 <JackieRipper> anything return?
Jul 12 07:30:29 <joesmith> yes my names encrypted numbers letters dierectory
Jul 12 07:30:34 <jauderho_> having a username in caps is just so.... wrong. =)
Jul 12 07:30:36 <jauderho_> just sayin
Jul 12 07:30:40 <JackieRipper> agreed
Jul 12 07:30:59 <joesmith> what is wrong about it?
Jul 12 07:31:07 <jauderho_> not the unix way
Jul 12 07:31:25 <joesmith> oh well ok...?
Jul 12 07:31:47 <jauderho_> but then again I'm just a grouchy old unix dude.
Jul 12 07:32:05 <tmzt> and I'm a young one
Jul 12 07:32:07 <joesmith> well I am just a young new linux noob
Jul 12 07:32:14 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 12 07:32:16 <tmzt> hah
Jul 12 07:32:20 <JackieRipper> ok, vi /etc/passwd
Jul 12 07:32:28 <JackieRipper> change you username to lowercase
Jul 12 07:32:32 <JackieRipper> visuso
Jul 12 07:32:35 <tmzt> we don't need a full paste
Jul 12 07:32:37 <JackieRipper> change you username to lowercase
Jul 12 07:32:39 <tmzt> just the line
Jul 12 07:33:02 <JackieRipper> I just tested on mine: sudo will not take a username in all caps, even if it's valid
Jul 12 07:34:16 <joesmith> cant find visuso
Jul 12 07:35:59 <joesmith> and /etc/passwd is readonly
Jul 12 07:37:01 <joesmith> how about I just make a new account, with right permissions and delte this one?
Jul 12 07:38:59 <joesmith> any comment?
Jul 12 07:41:28 <tmzt> that will work
Jul 12 07:41:44 <tmzt> but passwd is only readonly if your not root
Jul 12 07:41:50 <tmzt> or the fs is readonly
Jul 12 07:42:39 <joesmith> so I couldnt add my new user to the right group?
Jul 12 07:43:54 <joesmith> like gpasswd -a joe root/wheel whatever
Jul 12 07:44:05 <joesmith> once joe is created
Jul 12 07:44:13 <jauderho_> rwhitby you around?
Jul 12 07:44:53 <jauderho_> I wonder if it makes sense to quilt a script or just stick it in git...
Jul 12 07:45:15 <jauderho_> i'm thinking just stick in git. opinions?
Jul 12 07:50:46 <joesmith> helloo
Jul 12 07:51:06 <joesmith> well thanks for the help
Jul 12 07:51:49 <joesmith> I just want dropbear to work like it does on the emulator :/ matbey I will get better luck tommorow
Jul 12 07:52:00 <joesmith> I mean later today
Jul 12 07:54:12 <rwhitby> jauderho_: here now
Jul 12 07:54:41 <rwhitby> jauderho_: is the script something that will live unchanged on the pre, or something you use to make a change to the pre?
Jul 12 07:54:42 <destinal> with joesmith, what he wanted was to just enable root ssh.  ok, you may disagree or explain why it's bad
Jul 12 07:54:55 <destinal> but tell him where to go at least
Jul 12 07:55:09 <rwhitby> jauderho_: if the former, put it in quilt.  if the latter, just a foo.sh file instead of a foo.patch
Jul 12 07:55:37 <jauderho_> it's to make a change to the pre
Jul 12 07:56:04 <destinal> rwhitby: you mean if it patches an existing file quilt it, right?
Jul 12 07:56:08 <destinal> not if it's an entirely new file
Jul 12 07:56:34 <joesmith> all I want to to be able to upload an image via winscp
Jul 12 07:56:43 <rwhitby> destinal: if you've got a modification, which patches an existing file, and needs a new file as well, then you create a single quilt patch with both those things in it.
Jul 12 07:57:04 <destinal> rwhitby: ok I see
Jul 12 07:57:30 <jauderho_> yeah it's a script to show the call duration
Jul 12 07:57:58 <destinal> joesmith: go into /etc/eventd and edit optware-dropbear and get rid of the -g   then reboot
Jul 12 07:58:10 <destinal> make sure to set a strong root password first
Jul 12 07:58:11 <rwhitby> jauderho_: so it's a modification that can't be expressed as a patch to an existing file, or a new file, right?
Jul 12 07:58:16 <jauderho_> it's one luna commd and then the sqlist
Jul 12 07:58:18 <jauderho_> sqlite
Jul 12 07:58:21 <jauderho_> yup
Jul 12 07:58:37 <jauderho_> not possible to diff cookies.db =)
Jul 12 07:58:37 <rwhitby> yeah, that should just be a script in the git repo
Jul 12 07:59:02 <jauderho_> should we make a scripts subdir?
Jul 12 07:59:10 <rwhitby> if it's a script that someone will need to run more than once (and therefore you want to give it permanent residency on the Pre), then I'd put it in a patch instead.
Jul 12 07:59:29 <jauderho_> no it's a one time thing
Jul 12 08:01:26 <jauderho_> so yea or nay on a scripts subdir under modifications?
Jul 12 08:02:42 <joesmith> destinal I sent you a private chat
Jul 12 08:07:06 <rwhitby> jauderho_: does it patch a particular palm app?
Jul 12 08:07:27 <rwhitby> (currently, we group by palm app patched)
Jul 12 08:09:49 <jauderho_> it affects the phone app but not directly.
Jul 12 08:10:15 <rwhitby> perhaps just put it under the phone app dir then
Jul 12 08:10:24 <jauderho_> http://predev.wikidot.com/hidden-features
Jul 12 08:17:30 <jauderho_> okay
Jul 12 08:21:49 <joesmith> destinal solved my problem, so helpful destinal= best think since clicked bread
Jul 12 08:21:57 <joesmith> sliced
Jul 12 08:21:59 <joesmith> lol
Jul 12 08:22:10 * joesmith faints from exhaustion
Jul 12 08:23:25 <destinal> :)
Jul 12 08:23:49 <destinal> glad that worked out for you
Jul 12 08:49:47 <jauderho_> ah-hah! I figured out how to push to 2 git repos...
Jul 12 08:50:33 <tmzt> how?
Jul 12 08:50:49 <tmzt> without rewind/fastforward
Jul 12 08:50:52 <jauderho_> create a new remote in .git/config
Jul 12 08:50:56 <tmzt> yes
Jul 12 08:50:57 <jauderho_> called all
Jul 12 08:51:02 <jauderho_> add 2 urls
Jul 12 08:51:10 <tmzt> but how do you pull from both
Jul 12 08:51:12 <tmzt> okay
Jul 12 08:51:17 <tmzt> that makes sense
Jul 12 08:51:24 <jauderho_> havent figured that out yet =)
Jul 12 08:51:28 <jauderho_> one step at a time.
Jul 12 08:51:40 <jauderho_> but I wanted to have a separate repo to play with
Jul 12 08:51:55 <jauderho_> and I put it on github just to make things difficult =)
Jul 12 08:52:18 <tmzt> I mean if one gets out of date with the other
Jul 12 08:52:38 <jauderho_> well I always pull from the gitorious one
Jul 12 08:52:40 <tmzt> you pull from one and push to the other it gets fastforwarded
Jul 12 08:52:44 <tmzt> ah
Jul 12 08:52:46 <tmzt> okay
Jul 12 08:52:59 <jauderho_> and any changes I can branch in my github repo
Jul 12 08:53:05 <jauderho_> and that should make things okay.
Jul 12 08:53:10 <tmzt> can github pull from a remote through web interface?
Jul 12 08:53:16 <jauderho_> dunno
Jul 12 08:53:27 <jauderho_> git+ssh works for me so I'm not experimenting
Jul 12 08:55:10 <jauderho_> awesome it works nice.
Jul 12 08:55:15 <jauderho_> git push all master
Jul 12 09:04:54 <rwhitby> jauderho_: apparently gitorious has some way to make a personal fork of a repo, and then send a request to merge from that ...
Jul 12 09:05:32 <jauderho_> I know very little about gitorious... I think I know how to do that on github but not on gitorious.
Jul 12 09:19:15 <rwhitby> source code for gitorious is available ;-)
Jul 12 10:04:55 <binarytech1> anyone have any idea what would cuase luna-send rescan command to stop working all the sudden?
Jul 12 10:05:39 <binarytech1> it returns a status code like normal but just does not refresh the gui
Jul 12 10:21:10 <tmzt> not really
Jul 12 10:21:19 <tmzt> the command posted earlier?
Jul 12 13:09:36 <oc80z> morning.
Jul 12 13:22:36 <joesmith> hey oc80z
Jul 12 13:23:10 <joesmith> I was wondering didnt you install openssh on your phone?
Jul 12 13:23:20 <joesmith> sorry openvpn
Jul 12 13:23:22 <joesmith> lol
Jul 12 13:24:14 <joesmith> scotland
Jul 12 13:24:24 <joesmith> opps wrong window
Jul 12 14:55:23 <oc80z> *yawn*
Jul 12 14:55:30 <oc80z> openvpn section is cool
Jul 12 14:55:58 <oc80z> i posted proof of cutover, etc.
Jul 12 14:58:37 <oc80z> not bad.
Jul 12 15:47:47 <christefano> JackieRipper: that script looks fantastic. is it fully functional? I don't see any problems with it but I don't see any "work in progress" comments, either
Jul 12 16:00:16 <oc80z> whats up joesmith?
Jul 12 16:42:38 <destinal-asleep> oc80z: I wonder why nobody has written up the use of vpnc yet
Jul 12 16:42:42 <destinal-asleep> it's on the phone out of the box
Jul 12 16:43:17 <destinal-asleep> (probably the reason for TUN being in the stock kernel)
Jul 12 16:51:51 <destinal> oc80z: where is the palmpre.zip you used?
Jul 12 17:40:37 <raeb> wats shakin bacon
Jul 12 17:54:06 <destinal> it's quiet...
Jul 12 17:54:09 <destinal> too quiet
Jul 12 17:56:40 <christefano> does anyone know if JackieRipper's rooting script is functional? it seems good to me but I haven't tried it yet
Jul 12 17:58:48 <JamesBaud> should i block the webos 1.1 update before they start pushing it?
Jul 12 17:59:40 <destinal> JamesBaud: no need to block it
Jul 12 18:00:04 <Rick_> 1.1 is out?
Jul 12 18:00:05 <JamesBaud> it wont mess anything up? the last update did a lil
Jul 12 18:00:15 <destinal> JamesBaud: no one knows yet
Jul 12 18:00:24 <JamesBaud> k
Jul 12 18:00:45 <Rick_> the are GOING to be updates.   We're going to have to deal with them...
Jul 12 18:00:48 <destinal> JamesBaud: it's ~30 days away or so I've heard?  at any rate just don't apply it until we've examined what it does and you should be ok
Jul 12 18:04:16 <atlanta> wsup
Jul 12 18:07:46 <JamesBaud> i see
Jul 12 18:11:27 <gordian> hey guys
Jul 12 18:12:10 <atlanta> what you u p2
Jul 12 18:16:21 <gordian> guys i miss the old palmOS reminder configuration (being able to set a reminder for 0 minutes before or 17 hrs before an event)
Jul 12 18:19:35 <christefano> same here, gordian
Jul 12 18:20:00 <gordian> well i don't know jack about linux or development
Jul 12 18:20:13 <gordian> if i did i would love to do something about it
Jul 12 18:20:31 <gordian> i just can't believe they would change that sort of functionality
Jul 12 18:21:34 <gordian> it's enough to make me return my pre and stick to my 650 gsm
Jul 12 18:21:51 <christefano> webOS is a big step backwards in a lot of ways -- alarms, for sure, but being unable to select text that's not in a textfield or do a text search in a web page?
Jul 12 18:22:09 <christefano> grr
Jul 12 18:22:14 <gordian> well it's only 1st gen
Jul 12 18:22:21 <gordian> that's what i keep telling myself
Jul 12 18:22:27 <christefano> I'm not going back at all. not since Aonic's WiFi tethering app
Jul 12 18:22:41 <gordian> pretty freaking good for a 1G device
Jul 12 18:23:21 <christefano> I'm actually a bit drawn to the Pixie hardware concept. it's more similar to my Centro in that the keyboard is available at all times
Jul 12 18:23:47 <gordian> i like the overall feel of the pre
Jul 12 18:24:01 <gordian> but after coming from a 650 it is weird to have to reveal the keyboard
Jul 12 18:24:13 <christefano> yup
Jul 12 18:24:28 <gordian> ...but i've had the 650 for 4 yrs so i know there will be a lot of changes to get used to
Jul 12 18:24:36 <christefano> it's not nearly as satisfying to reveal the keyboard on the Pre as it is on my Nokia N810 :)
Jul 12 18:24:43 <gordian> i never even had a data plan with the 650
Jul 12 18:25:04 <christefano> however... now that I have the Pre I almost never need the N810 anymore
Jul 12 18:25:27 <gordian> i wouldnt imagine needing both
Jul 12 18:25:29 <christefano> all I need now is a word processor and SSH client for the Pre and I'm all set
Jul 12 18:26:00 <gordian> is Aonic's tethering app on precentral?
Jul 12 18:26:03 <christefano> I ended up getting Classic
Jul 12 18:26:05 <christefano> yeah, one sec
Jul 12 18:26:33 <christefano> http://knurl.us/url/3ekm4ky
Jul 12 18:26:51 <gordian> requires rooting, eh
Jul 12 18:27:09 <gordian> never done that
Jul 12 18:27:15 <christefano> well, rooting is remarkably easy
Jul 12 18:27:27 <destinal> christefano: please don't discuss tethering here
Jul 12 18:27:30 <gordian> there are a few walkthroughs, right?
Jul 12 18:27:37 <christefano> destinal: ah, sorry. you got it
Jul 12 18:30:05 <christefano> gordian: the predev.wikidot.com wiki has been really helpful
Jul 12 18:30:23 <gordian> yeah i'm reading up on rooting now
Jul 12 18:33:47 * raeb sneesez
Jul 12 18:35:44 <atlanta> hay anyone know how to get this error gone
Jul 12 18:35:44 <atlanta> Error: Error: Caught exception in _AlertDialog widget 'undefined' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'parentNode' of null
Jul 12 18:36:05 <atlanta> i cant seem to get the about button in my app menu to show correctly
Jul 12 18:39:09 <Noahbody> did the 1.04 update remove root access to the pre by chance?
Jul 12 18:40:32 <gkatsev> nopr
Jul 12 18:40:38 <gkatsev> s/nopr/nope
Jul 12 18:40:46 <Noahbody> hmm i seem to have lost access to mine
Jul 12 18:41:02 <Noahbody> ok so now i have to find out why
Jul 12 18:42:53 <atlanta> yea it probably did
Jul 12 18:42:55 <atlanta> just re root
Jul 12 18:42:55 <atlanta> it
Jul 12 18:43:13 <atlanta> Anybody interesting in a word of the day app
Jul 12 18:43:21 <atlanta> expand some vocabulary
Jul 12 18:43:59 <Noahbody> ok got it fixed
Jul 12 18:44:09 <Rick_> atlanta  only if you do it so that it generates a notificcation in mojo.
Jul 12 18:44:14 <gordian> atlanta, that would be cool
Jul 12 18:44:37 <atlanta> Rick_: that would be cool like at a set time of the day
Jul 12 18:44:57 <Rick_> nodnod
Jul 12 18:45:00 <atlanta> thanks for the id i already finish the app
Jul 12 18:45:03 <atlanta> idea**
Jul 12 18:45:16 <atlanta> so ill release it and add the notifications.
Jul 12 18:45:30 <atlanta> you got any links to some notifications stuff
Jul 12 18:45:30 <atlanta> ?
Jul 12 18:45:53 <Rick_> search the wiki for "luna send"
Jul 12 18:46:20 <Rick_> otherwise, it's digging into the webdr jars for notificcation code to learn what to put into your luna send command.
Jul 12 18:46:47 <Rick_> but you could have a cron that triggers a motd script that calls luna and brings up a notificaton
Jul 12 18:47:25 <atlanta> no thats the bootleg way lol
Jul 12 18:47:35 <atlanta> im going to have it use the real notifications from mojo
Jul 12 18:47:42 <Rick_> h
Jul 12 18:47:42 <atlanta> ill run through the sources and learn it no biggy
Jul 12 18:47:44 <Rick_> uh
Jul 12 18:47:48 <Rick_> ok
Jul 12 18:48:06 <Rick_> but calling luna send is real mojo
Jul 12 18:48:12 <Rick_> that's how mojo stufff happens.
Jul 12 18:48:44 <destinal> yeah, luna send just sends the same events by hands that mojo apps send in javascript
Jul 12 18:48:51 * Rick_ waiting to get on an airrplane to baltimore.
Jul 12 18:51:55 <atlanta> Rick_: whats in b town
Jul 12 18:55:29 <atlanta> Hey Rick_  do you know what Error: Error: Caught exception in _AlertDialog widget 'undefined' setup(): TypeError: Cannot read property 'parentNode' of null means?
Jul 12 18:56:10 <FuMan> so
Jul 12 18:56:28 <FuMan> i jacked up, and didnt realize those stupid com.dude.appname names are required for making apps deletable
Jul 12 18:57:00 <FuMan> so i ssh'd in, got my rm on on all those dirs, in usr/palm/applications
Jul 12 18:57:06 <FuMan> and they aren't gone... what did i miss?
Jul 12 18:58:01 <sugardave> low hanging fruit...did you remount the filesystem for writes?
Jul 12 18:59:08 <atlanta> FuMan: did you rescan with luna
Jul 12 18:59:10 <atlanta> ?
Jul 12 18:59:29 <atlanta> run
Jul 12 18:59:31 <FuMan> sure didnt, didnt think that was required just for app installs
Jul 12 18:59:46 <atlanta> \/usr/bin/luna-send palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}
Jul 12 18:59:51 <atlanta> run that
Jul 12 18:59:59 <atlanta> without that first slash
Jul 12 19:00:02 <atlanta> and reopen the app menu
Jul 12 19:00:13 <FuMan> alright
Jul 12 19:00:13 <atlanta> things you rmed should disappear form the menu
Jul 12 19:00:24 <FuMan> and just rm-ing the directory was the proper way to go about deleting them?
Jul 12 19:00:38 <atlanta> yea rming com.blah blah is fine
Jul 12 19:03:49 <FuMan> hrm
Jul 12 19:03:53 <FuMan> the icon is gone for one of them
Jul 12 19:03:56 <FuMan> but the text is still there
Jul 12 19:03:59 <FuMan> and the rest are still there D;
Jul 12 19:05:24 <FuMan> is there something somewhere else i should be deleting?
Jul 12 19:12:09 <FuMan> ah
Jul 12 19:12:13 <FuMan> its all in var/usr also
Jul 12 19:46:41 <JackieRipper> christefano: are you still here?
Jul 12 19:48:06 <christefano> yup, I am
Jul 12 19:48:37 <christefano> JackieRipper: I like your script! does it work as well as it looks?
Jul 12 19:51:15 <JackieRipper> I'm about to test it
Jul 12 19:51:48 <christefano> cool. I wish I could but I only have one Pre to test with and I'm already using it
Jul 12 19:51:52 <JackieRipper> I had posted it last night in the hopes that a few more sets of eyes would find any bugs I had missed
Jul 12 19:52:51 <JackieRipper> I only have one pre as well, but all of my contacts, calendars, etc are gmail, so getting it back to working again shouldn't be too hard
Jul 12 19:53:02 <JackieRipper> wish me luck
Jul 12 19:53:31 <sugardave> good luck, we're all counting on you
Jul 12 19:54:04 <JackieRipper> lmao
Jul 12 19:54:11 <JackieRipper> I love Airplane!
Jul 12 19:54:13 <Sloloem> My pre is now claiming I don't have enough memory to install a 530k application.  Device info says I have 1.6 gigs free.
Jul 12 19:55:17 <sugardave> Sloloem: happened to me a couple weeks ago.  Had to reflash the Pre.
Jul 12 19:55:31 <sugardave> backup /media/internal first
Jul 12 19:55:53 <Sloloem> sugardave, reflash with the doctor?
Jul 12 19:55:56 <sugardave> unless Lurking_Grue figure out how to fix it...it happened to him last week
Jul 12 19:55:59 <sugardave> yes
Jul 12 19:57:19 <Sloloem> Fun.  I'll wait on it and see if he has any insight, when does he usually pop in?
Jul 12 19:57:34 <sugardave> not sure, I'm away from the window a lot
Jul 12 20:23:03 <Robi_> this coudl be useful.. http://om.ly/?qGS
Jul 12 20:23:12 <Robi_> JavaScript Based Animation Frameworks and Libraries
Jul 12 20:42:18 <huynhc> hello
Jul 12 20:43:10 <huynhc> anyone around to answer a question?
Jul 12 20:51:49 <bpadalino> no answers available .. :(
Jul 12 22:02:38 <rwhitby> morning
Jul 12 22:03:22 <JackieRipper> hiya rwhitby
Jul 12 22:03:48 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: tell me about this new bootstrap script you've made
Jul 12 22:27:10 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10440 optware/trunk/make/bzr-rebase.mk: bzr-rebase: 0.5.0 -> 0.5.1
Jul 12 22:31:12 <Sloloem> Lurking_Grue, ping?
Jul 12 23:05:21 <CIA-76> bzhou * r10441 optware/trunk/make/erlang.mk: erlang: link ssl dynamically
Jul 12 23:17:36 <gordian> guys, after i've created a non-root username to use, how can i stop/restart LunaSysMgr when logged in on that username?
Jul 12 23:18:13 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: just tested it out, and fixed a few typos
Jul 12 23:18:22 <sugardave|away> gordian: use sudo
Jul 12 23:18:43 <gordian> ok, and just assume for a moment that i'm an uber noob
Jul 12 23:18:47 <JackieRipper> sorry that took so long, my girlfriend's computer (our Windows box) is in the other room
Jul 12 23:18:50 <gordian> how would i use sudo to accomplish that?
Jul 12 23:19:04 <sugardave> 'sudo [command you want to run]'
Jul 12 23:19:48 <sugardave> don't use the [], though
Jul 12 23:19:56 <gordian> haha, good call
Jul 12 23:21:47 <gordian> any idea why i might only be able to ssh intermittently?
Jul 12 23:22:23 <JackieRipper> gordian: are you connecting over wifi?
Jul 12 23:22:28 <gordian> yes
Jul 12 23:22:41 <JackieRipper> wifi will shut off when the screen goes to sleep
Jul 12 23:23:20 <JackieRipper> the solution is to keep it open (stream music or something) or keep it on the charger when connectiong
Jul 12 23:23:26 <gordian> aha, isn't that an interesting tidbit
Jul 12 23:26:40 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: got a link for the script?
Jul 12 23:26:45 <gordian> when i try 'sudo initctl stop LunaSysMgr' i get 'sudo: initctl: command not found'
Jul 12 23:28:33 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: so here's the summary: The script creates /opt, downloads the ipkg-opt package, checks the md5sum, populates optware.conf, makes /etc/profile.d/optware, updates the local package database, interactively creates an unprivileged account, does the sudoers stuff, installs either dropbear or openssh (it asks), allows ssh via wifi, evdo or both, installs quilt, and clones the patch repo
Jul 12 23:28:54 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: http://unixgeeks.biz/scripts/setup.gz
Jul 12 23:29:28 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: do you have access to the gitorious bootstrap repo?
Jul 12 23:29:41 <JackieRipper> not that I know of... I'm not sure
Jul 12 23:30:03 <JackieRipper> I doubt it, though, as I think I was only added to the patch repo
Jul 12 23:31:09 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: I think you do, by default.
Jul 12 23:31:48 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: can we install both dropbear and openssh, run the dropbear daemon (using upstart) but have openssh handle the clients.
Jul 12 23:32:02 <rwhitby> then the user doesn't need to make a choice, and they get the best of both worlds.
Jul 12 23:32:07 <rwhitby> also install openssh-sftp-server
Jul 12 23:32:31 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: what's the point of having both, though?
Jul 12 23:32:43 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: then the user is set up for contributing patches
Jul 12 23:32:51 <JackieRipper> is openssh is installed, why not just have it handle everything?
Jul 12 23:32:52 <rwhitby> and being able to do agent forwarding
Jul 12 23:32:55 <JackieRipper> er if*
Jul 12 23:33:10 <JackieRipper> oh... yeah, why not just forget dropbear, then?
Jul 12 23:33:13 <rwhitby> cause openssh has twice the memory footprint, and memory is the critical resource on this device
Jul 12 23:33:27 <JackieRipper> as it's running, you mean
Jul 12 23:33:31 <JackieRipper> ?
Jul 12 23:33:31 <rwhitby> yep
Jul 12 23:33:34 <JackieRipper> ahhh
Jul 12 23:33:36 <JackieRipper> hmm
Jul 12 23:33:51 <rwhitby> flash space matters too, but not as much as memory footprint I believe
Jul 12 23:34:06 <JackieRipper> ok, I can modify it to install both, but just do the upstart stuff for dropbear
Jul 12 23:34:21 <rwhitby> install the openssh-sftp-server too
Jul 12 23:34:27 <JackieRipper> ok
Jul 12 23:34:37 <rwhitby> this script will solve 98% of the newbie questions here.
Jul 12 23:34:54 <JackieRipper> I think so
Jul 12 23:34:58 <JackieRipper> er, hope so
Jul 12 23:35:08 <psykoz> I think just choose one, users don't need choices :)
Jul 12 23:35:14 <rwhitby> we normally do a bootstrap script like this for every optware target, but since neither eno nor I had a Pre we hadn't done so yet.
Jul 12 23:35:21 <psykoz> if they don't like your choices they can start predev community #2
Jul 12 23:35:31 <rwhitby> psykoz: dropbear server, openssh client utils.  best of both worlds.
Jul 12 23:36:29 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: other than that, great script.  very well written.
Jul 12 23:36:38 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: will this work?
Jul 12 23:36:44 <JackieRipper> ipkg-opt install openssh quilt git util-linux-ng
Jul 12 23:36:57 <JackieRipper> oops
Jul 12 23:37:08 <rwhitby> yep, you can leave util-linux-ng off the end now, since we fixed the dependency in git.
Jul 12 23:37:26 <JackieRipper> ipkg-opt install openssh quilt git openssh-sftp-server
Jul 12 23:38:03 <Robi_> anyone look into JavaScript Based Animation Frameworks and Libraries ? http://om.ly/?qGS
Jul 12 23:39:33 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: thank for the compliment... I think it's good for a pre-release (pun intended) but I think it needs a clean-up function before it's complete
Jul 12 23:39:57 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: yes, an uninstall option would be great
Jul 12 23:40:34 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: I'm wondering whether quilt and git should be a separate script
Jul 12 23:40:37 <JackieRipper> beyond just uninstall... If it fails on step X, it should undo everything it already did
Jul 12 23:40:47 <rwhitby> (since they bring in a *lot* of dependencies_
Jul 12 23:41:36 <JackieRipper> I'd also like to do a log
Jul 12 23:42:04 <JackieRipper> the > /dev/null 2>&1 makes everything pretty, but isn't the best for debugging
Jul 12 23:42:28 <psykoz> it's looog, loooo
Jul 12 23:42:33 <psykoz> g, it's big it's heavy its wood
Jul 12 23:42:45 <psykoz> sorry couldn't help myself =/
Jul 12 23:42:47 <psykoz> <-- old
Jul 12 23:42:48 <JackieRipper> lol
Jul 12 23:43:04 <JackieRipper> fits on you back and good for a snack!
Jul 12 23:43:18 <JackieRipper> oops, your*
Jul 12 23:44:50 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: also, please get the script to download the upstart script instead of having it inline.
Jul 12 23:46:56 <JackieRipper> ok
Jul 12 23:47:17 <JackieRipper> I was trying to reduce possibilities of error
Jul 12 23:47:25 <JackieRipper> actually...
Jul 12 23:48:11 <JackieRipper> can you add md5sum files for the upstart script and the ipkg-opt*ipk ?
Jul 12 23:48:56 <JackieRipper> so I can just wget ipkg-opt*ipk, the upstart script, and the 2 md5sum files, and check them?
Jul 12 23:49:23 <JackieRipper> rather than leaving the md5sum also hardcoded?
Jul 12 23:50:19 <rwhitby> can get that from Packages file
Jul 12 23:51:09 <JackieRipper> how :)
Jul 12 23:51:17 <JackieRipper> I'm not familiar with that
Jul 12 23:51:30 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: one minute ...
Jul 12 23:51:36 <JackieRipper> sure
Jul 13 00:03:18 <eno> JackieRipper: md5sum's for ipk's are in Packages file
Jul 13 00:03:40 <eno> but not provided for ipkg-opt*.xsh
Jul 13 00:03:54 <eno> not sure about upstart
Jul 13 00:03:57 <JackieRipper> ok
Jul 13 00:04:25 <JackieRipper> so if I download ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk
Jul 13 00:04:34 <eno> you can do something like: awk 'BEGIN { RS = "" }; /^Package: wget/ {print}' Packages
Jul 13 00:04:42 <eno> to get the record
Jul 13 00:05:16 <eno> the Packages file is in the feed, same directory as other ipk's
Jul 13 00:05:26 <JackieRipper> ok
Jul 13 00:06:09 <JackieRipper> wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/ipkg-opt_0.99.163-10_arm.ipk ; http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages
Jul 13 00:06:23 <JackieRipper> er, put a "wget" after the ;
Jul 13 00:06:28 <JackieRipper> would that work?
Jul 13 00:07:08 <eno> yeah
Jul 13 00:07:18 <JackieRipper> k, found it
Jul 13 00:08:23 <eno> the awk example script I did above, will print two multi-line records
Jul 13 00:08:35 <eno> one for wget, one for wget-ssl
Jul 13 00:08:52 <eno> to get md5sum, do another awk
Jul 13 00:09:36 <JackieRipper> awk 'BEGIN { RS = "" }; /^Package: ipkg-opt/ {print}' Packages
Jul 13 00:10:23 <JackieRipper> man.. advanced awk... how do I combine the two?
Jul 13 00:10:30 <JackieRipper> awk 'BEGIN { RS = "" }; /^Package: ipkg-opt/ {print}' Packages | awk '/^MD5Sum:/ {print $2}'
Jul 13 00:10:46 <eno> yeah, that should work great
Jul 13 00:11:23 <JackieRipper> ok, that solves the ipkg issue... any ideas on the upstart script?
Jul 13 00:11:48 <eno> i'm not familiar with upstart
Jul 13 00:11:52 <eno> where is it hosted?
Jul 13 00:12:21 <JackieRipper> I'm just downloading the script, via wget.... looks like an md5sum file will need to be created
Jul 13 00:12:27 <JackieRipper> 1 sec
Jul 13 00:12:39 <JackieRipper> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-dropbear
Jul 13 00:13:20 <JackieRipper> :q
Jul 13 00:13:23 <JackieRipper> oops
Jul 13 00:13:41 <eno> k, i think there should optware-dropbear.md5 in the same directory
Jul 13 00:16:18 <JackieRipper> not currently
Jul 13 00:16:32 <JackieRipper> *md5 nor *md5sum
Jul 13 00:16:39 <JackieRipper> I agree there should be
Jul 13 00:21:45 * oc80z peekszin
Jul 13 00:27:22 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: I believe this addresses your comments: http://unixgeeks.biz/scripts/setup-v0.2.gz
Jul 13 00:27:43 <JackieRipper> I would like to check the md5sum of the upstart script, though
Jul 13 00:28:26 <JackieRipper> I guess I could hard-code it in, but then the script would have to be updated any time the repo version is modified
Jul 13 00:28:53 <oc80z> evening JackieRipper
Jul 13 00:30:08 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: there is a technique we use in optware to get the version of ipkg-opt out of the Packages file, in case we update it.
Jul 13 00:30:15 <rwhitby> eno can show you where that is done.
Jul 13 00:30:45 * oc80z going to update predev/homebrew to reflect the 30+ avail.
Jul 13 00:30:45 <rwhitby> then the 0.99.163-10 is not hard-coded
Jul 13 00:30:56 <oc80z> (some time tues)
Jul 13 00:31:47 <oc80z> hows it going rw
Jul 13 00:32:29 <JackieRipper> hmmm
Jul 13 00:33:07 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: you'll want to kill the openssh server after install
Jul 13 00:33:15 <JackieRipper> ok
Jul 13 00:33:28 <JackieRipper> I can pull the version from the packages file... no worries
Jul 13 00:33:31 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: probably move the openssh install up to the same spot as dropbear, before openssh-sftp-server
Jul 13 00:33:43 <JackieRipper> I'll update the file in 2 mins
Jul 13 00:33:59 <destinal> oc80z: regarding the openvpn thing, there's no source for the zipfile listed in the article (that I can find anyway), is that available somewhere?
Jul 13 00:34:11 <eno> JackieRipper: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage
Jul 13 00:34:12 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: feel free to check this file in as optware-bootstrap.sh in the bootstrap repo on gitorious
Jul 13 00:34:24 <JackieRipper> awk 'BEGIN { RS = "" }; /^Package: ipkg-opt\n/ {print}' Packages | awk '/^Filename:/ {print $2}'
Jul 13 00:34:29 <JackieRipper> works just fine
Jul 13 00:42:05 <joesmith> hey yallll
Jul 13 00:42:32 <joesmith> thanks for the help earlier this morning
Jul 13 00:42:36 <oc80z> sorry destinal
Jul 13 00:42:52 <oc80z> (was also afk), i just posted the proof of concept.
Jul 13 00:43:06 <oc80z> im pretty sure it burns battery.
Jul 13 00:43:09 <joesmith> hey oc80z can link me to openvpn
Jul 13 00:43:46 <oc80z> BUT.... would be nice to play some video off a mounted /media/internal
Jul 13 00:44:26 <oc80z> openvpn.net :D
Jul 13 00:45:12 <oc80z> smbmount 192.218.0.110 /media/internal/ontherun
Jul 13 00:45:19 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: http://unixgeeks.biz/scripts/setup-v0.3.gz
Jul 13 00:45:31 <joesmith> oh I thought there was a wiki page
Jul 13 00:45:35 <oc80z> smb && openvpn would need some scripts on a wifi up,
Jul 13 00:47:08 <oc80z> ... dunno ill work on it later on...
Jul 13 00:48:14 <oc80z> jackie and rw are rippin it up
Jul 13 00:48:15 <oc80z> :
Jul 13 00:48:16 <oc80z> :P
Jul 13 00:48:20 * oc80z wifey home bblz
Jul 13 00:48:35 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: ipkg-opt version still hard-coded at the tar line
Jul 13 00:48:40 <rwhitby> and rm line
Jul 13 00:48:44 <JackieRipper> oops
Jul 13 00:48:46 <JackieRipper> thanks
Jul 13 00:49:22 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: now what would be *really* good is if this script could auto-detect whether it is being run on the Pre or the emulator, and do the right thing in either case :-)
Jul 13 00:49:57 <JackieRipper> I have no emulator
Jul 13 00:49:59 <JackieRipper> :(
Jul 13 00:50:21 <rwhitby> ok, we need to get an early-access dev to do that then.
Jul 13 00:50:33 <JackieRipper> but if you can tell me an easy way to check which platform I'm in, and wheich steps need to be omitted....
Jul 13 00:50:52 <eno> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jul 13 00:51:04 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: I can point you to the optware script which someone (I forget who) tested for me on the emulator
Jul 13 00:52:55 <JackieRipper> alrighty
Jul 13 00:54:45 <joesmith> this os stupid but how do I make my text in read
Jul 13 00:54:50 <joesmith> is*
Jul 13 00:54:55 <joesmith> red
Jul 13 00:58:18 <JackieRipper> joesmith: in what context?
Jul 13 00:59:33 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: http://unixgeeks.biz/scripts/setup-v0.4.gz  I'll get it right one of these times :)  I'm really grateful for the additional eyes looking it over
Jul 13 01:00:15 <JackieRipper> joesmith: that is, text displaying on the Pre's gui?  Or in your shell using PuTTY?  Some other place?
Jul 13 01:01:59 <JackieRipper> woah, Pidgin crashed
Jul 13 01:02:42 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: looks good, please push it to the bootstrap repo
Jul 13 01:02:53 <rwhitby> as optware-bootstrap.sh
Jul 13 01:02:54 <JackieRipper> you got it
Jul 13 01:03:17 <rwhitby> (I haven't tested it of course)
Jul 13 01:03:31 <JackieRipper> I tested the first one
Jul 13 01:03:42 <JackieRipper> I'll wipe my phone and test the latest
Jul 13 01:03:44 <rwhitby> As Linus Torvalds says, "Testing is for users" :-)
Jul 13 01:03:49 <JackieRipper> no biggie
Jul 13 01:04:38 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: can you send me some instructions on sending it to the repo?  I'm only passingly familiar with git.
Jul 13 01:05:33 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: clone the bootstrap repo to a new directory (perhaps /opt/src/bootstrap), then move the file in, then git add the file, then git commit it, then git push it
Jul 13 01:05:45 <JackieRipper> alrighty
Jul 13 01:05:46 <rwhitby> just like in the applying-patches page
Jul 13 01:06:11 <rwhitby> just using the bootstrap repo instead of the modifications repo
Jul 13 01:06:26 <JackieRipper> got it
Jul 13 01:09:11 <JackieRipper> Has anyone found any problems with setting a root password?
Jul 13 01:09:38 <JackieRipper> That is, does having a root password that is not blank cause any issues?
Jul 13 01:10:37 <joesmith> my root has a nine letter lower/uppercase number and punctuation password
Jul 13 01:11:04 <joesmith> I have no issues with editing
Jul 13 01:12:15 <JackieRipper> cool
Jul 13 01:12:44 <JackieRipper> have you figured out your red text?
Jul 13 01:12:50 <joesmith> no lol
Jul 13 01:13:47 <JackieRipper> text in the pre's gui or in a shell?
Jul 13 01:14:31 <JackieRipper> that is, you you want the text in putty to be red when you ssh into the phone, or you you want the text of some application to be red?
Jul 13 01:14:47 <joesmith> I want to typr red text in this irc
Jul 13 01:14:54 <JackieRipper> ohh
Jul 13 01:14:54 <joesmith> like veryone lese
Jul 13 01:14:56 <joesmith> lol
Jul 13 01:15:03 <JackieRipper> I'm in red?
Jul 13 01:15:09 <JackieRipper> I see it as black
Jul 13 01:15:11 <joesmith> nope
Jul 13 01:15:19 <joesmith> I mean when people do red
Jul 13 01:15:24 <JackieRipper> ahh
Jul 13 01:16:37 <JackieRipper> What client are you using?
Jul 13 01:16:52 <JackieRipper> mIRC?
Jul 13 01:17:20 <joesmith> http browser
Jul 13 01:17:32 <joesmith> I dont do chat enough to have a client
Jul 13 01:17:32 <JackieRipper> oh... not sure then
Jul 13 01:17:50 <JackieRipper> this is how you do it in mirc http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/colors.html
Jul 13 01:17:57 <JackieRipper> crtl-k plus a number
Jul 13 01:28:48 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: The script has been uploaded to the bootstrap repo
Jul 13 01:30:51 <JackieRipper> biab - gonna wipe my phone and try this again
Jul 13 01:34:19 <Joesmithspre> Sweet
Jul 13 01:34:40 <Joesmithspre> Using my pre :)
Jul 13 01:35:07 <Joesmithspre> Definitely bookmarking this
Jul 13 01:35:52 <djk> Joesmithspre: bookmarking what?
Jul 13 01:36:18 <joesmith> this chatroom on my pre
Jul 13 01:36:31 <joesmith> so I can chill in here
Jul 13 01:36:37 <joesmith> on my pre
Jul 13 01:37:36 <JackieRipper> what is the site?  I'd like to use that, I think
Jul 13 01:38:07 <Joesmithspre> http://webchat.freenode.net/
Jul 13 01:38:08 <christophercomp> hello everyone
Jul 13 01:38:23 <Joesmithspre> Then enter channel
Jul 13 01:38:39 <joesmith> webos-internals
Jul 13 01:38:48 <joesmith> no lag on my home wifi
Jul 13 01:38:56 <joesmith> about to try over evdo
Jul 13 01:39:25 <christophercomp> has anyone tried the "newer" scaling app that the user clipcarl provided on PreCentral forums?
Jul 13 01:51:46 <tmzt> destinal: progress? been offline since last night
Jul 13 01:53:52 <destinal> tmzt: I've spent a lot of today bringing a new developer up to speed and running errands and hanging out with family
Jul 13 01:54:03 <destinal> it should build out of the box for everyone now though
Jul 13 01:55:32 <destinal> tmzt: do you want to work on the code with us?  what do I need to get it accessible to you, native on-pre build?
Jul 13 01:56:14 <destinal> raeb spotted the include file issue with glib, it just needed a backticked  pkg-config
Jul 13 01:56:33 <tmzt> I can pull the code, but I don't have a pre and am not working with the x86 emulator, if you want me to test it on a different browser I can do that, but I don't see how that will be much help
Jul 13 01:56:41 <destinal> tmzt: aha
Jul 13 02:01:08 <destinal> tmzt: so to get you the ability to help out we would need to get a close approximation going with a plugin in something like midori
Jul 13 02:02:33 <tmzt> yeah
Jul 13 02:02:42 <tmzt> that should be doable
Jul 13 02:53:29 <destinal> stupid netsplits
Jul 13 02:56:08 <tlz> howddy
Jul 13 02:56:12 <summatusmentis> hi
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