**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 30 02:59:57 2009 Jul 30 03:07:32 have you guys handled & yet? Jul 30 03:08:04 I need to poke around with freeswitch some time Jul 30 03:08:12 I still have some asterisk servers I'd like to phase out eventually Jul 30 03:08:57 so, speaking of asterisk, doesn't it have alsa or pulseaudio channels these days? Jul 30 03:09:46 I've got this idea for a softphone on the pre that's really just some mojo talking to a native asterisk Jul 30 03:11:07 Terminal could be adapted just to do ssh and irc Jul 30 03:11:15 but I think you lose something if you do that Jul 30 03:12:14 destinal: freeswitch does. Jul 30 03:12:18 pulseaudio, anyway Jul 30 03:12:26 i use it as a softphone. Jul 30 03:12:29 I'll have to check into it Jul 30 03:12:54 destinal: that's what i'm doing with freeswitch (freeswitcher) Jul 30 03:13:10 if I had access to ruby it'd be a quick app, as is i'm doing it web-based. Jul 30 03:13:24 web based or mojo based? Jul 30 03:13:29 hrm, trying to repair my messaging app, took some files out of the webosdoctor archive. Got the functionality back, but see
and
(etc..) in the text messages Jul 30 03:13:37 are you talking about a pre app? Jul 30 03:13:42 it just dials to two endpoints (the target you're calling and your cellphone) Jul 30 03:13:48 oh i see Jul 30 03:13:49 yeah, i want to do a mojo app. Jul 30 03:14:04 so you mean control a remote freeswitch Jul 30 03:14:07 voip over evdo is sketchy at best. Jul 30 03:14:18 mostly horrible. Jul 30 03:14:19 bougyman: have you tried it? Jul 30 03:14:21 yeah. Jul 30 03:14:29 freeswitch runs on the pre fine. Jul 30 03:14:46 can't use pulse but I can play media Jul 30 03:14:57 i can probably use pulse now, just need to set up the mic sink Jul 30 03:15:04 (in debian chroot) Jul 30 03:15:22 why debian chroot? Jul 30 03:15:37 cause i didn't want to resize the lvms just yet. Jul 30 03:15:45 i've only had this 5 days. Jul 30 03:16:00 (well, 3, i had one for two days and this one for three) Jul 30 03:19:04 anyone know off hand which file to replace to original if I see
s show up in SMS messages? Jul 30 03:19:56 shit Jul 30 03:20:03 this recovery tool aint working Jul 30 03:20:22 not under linux/windows/os x Jul 30 03:20:25 windows see it now Jul 30 03:20:26 got
in my text messages, which js file is probably the culprit? Jul 30 03:20:32 but the next botton doesnt show Jul 30 03:20:32 wtf Jul 30 03:22:10 i had to do the battery trick Jul 30 03:22:18 and hold the volup as you put the battery in. Jul 30 03:22:23 the next button will light up. Jul 30 03:22:30 when the USB icon appears on your screen. Jul 30 03:22:36 (the whole screen) Jul 30 03:23:06 ok so u have your pre connected to pc Jul 30 03:23:07 right Jul 30 03:23:19 no, turn it off and take the battery out, first. Jul 30 03:23:30 then plug it in to the pc. Jul 30 03:23:38 then hold volup while putting the battery back in. Jul 30 03:23:44 then you pull the battery out and press volume key and ok Jul 30 03:23:45 or whatever the instructions say. Jul 30 03:23:46 ok Jul 30 03:24:26 hrm Jul 30 03:24:33 you may have to hold volup before you even plug it in to the pc. Jul 30 03:24:49 i'm 3 dogfish head 60 minute ale's fuzzy, see the doc. Jul 30 03:25:24 yeah, hold volup before even plugging it in Jul 30 03:25:27 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Jul 30 03:25:49 ha got it Jul 30 03:25:51 thanks Jul 30 03:27:24 hrm, chatview-assistant.js dated 7/17 in webOSDoctor, is that current 1.1? Jul 30 03:28:16 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 82049 Jul 18 00:22 ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.messaging/app/controllers/chatview-assistant.js Jul 30 03:28:20 that one? Jul 30 03:28:24 that's 1.1 there. Jul 30 03:29:14 529249aa67195391e475997c9f3220e0 is my md5 Jul 30 03:29:44 bougyman: at least you have good taste in beer :) Jul 30 03:30:46 * bougyman tips mug Jul 30 03:31:12 k, I'll check Jul 30 03:31:32 last time I looked at this much .js was when I got thrust into rails development. Jul 30 03:32:01 the framework could be worse. Jul 30 03:33:03 the framework could be MUCH worse. Jul 30 03:33:19 But I still wish it was YUI based instead of Prototype based. Jul 30 03:33:40 i don't mind prototype, but prefer jquery/FP when it comes to js. Jul 30 03:33:43 and mojo was obviously written by a bunch of Java programmers who wanted to warp Javascript into being Java. :-/ Jul 30 03:33:49 well yeah. Jul 30 03:35:04 and there's still a java processor hog running on this all the time. Jul 30 03:35:10 with an uberlong commandline Jul 30 03:35:15 bougyman, yes, same md5 thanks Jul 30 03:35:15 nodnod Jul 30 03:37:23 i guess that's what luna is written in? Jul 30 03:37:40 /usr/lib/luna/java/libmatthew-java-0.7.jar Jul 30 03:37:43 i love that one. Jul 30 03:37:45 libmatthew? Jul 30 03:38:02 luna itself isn't java but it calls java stuff Jul 30 03:38:23 services especially Jul 30 03:40:40 i wonder if jruby will run on this arch? Jul 30 03:41:37 it does. Jul 30 03:44:54 well. Jul 30 03:44:56 it's trying to Jul 30 03:47:07 root 9286 86.0 15.0 55904 36876 pts/0 Rl+ 22:46 0:09 java -Xmx512m -Xss1024k -Xverify:none -da -classpath Jul 30 03:47:15 will that actually try and grab the 512m ? Jul 30 03:47:22 i stopped it, just in case. Jul 30 03:47:35 (it's part of the jruby wrapper) Jul 30 03:58:51 lol, so if I just overwrite the entire com.palm.app.messaging directory with the one out of the webosdoctor is that going to work? Jul 30 03:59:57 pretty much yes. Jul 30 04:02:27 whats an easy command to copy over a directory from /var/home/.. to /usr/palm/.. overwriting everything? does cp do that without any switches? Jul 30 04:04:06 yeah I know, google is my bud ;) Jul 30 04:07:50 to copy from one dir to another do Jul 30 04:08:13 cp -r /var/home/somedir /usr/palm/somedir Jul 30 04:08:43 ty, just now did that Jul 30 04:08:54 after I mv the original to a backup Jul 30 04:09:14 lol, we'll see if it survives a reboot Jul 30 04:11:38 yeah that quilt segment on the wiki kind of lost me, since I didn't know how to deal with patches that were on the pre since before OS updates... Jul 30 04:11:45 sup Jul 30 04:11:49 whats good Jul 30 04:12:09 and that might have been the culprit or it might just be that I did another messaging mod that I forgot I did Jul 30 04:12:29 hi oc Jul 30 04:12:49 wow, that is shocking Jul 30 04:12:53 wth? Jul 30 04:13:39 ? Jul 30 04:13:44 I thought I just overwrote the entire com.palm.app.messaging directory, only to see the same exact thing Jul 30 04:13:55
some text message
Jul 30 04:14:00 ^ that Jul 30 04:16:08 if i don't make a swap partition on a linux install, will there just not be a swap at all, or will it make a dynamic one if it needs it Jul 30 04:16:37 you can swap to a partition or a file. both need to be set up in advance. if not, no swap. Jul 30 04:16:56
Testing SMS
Jul 30 04:17:02 rwhitby -- it is not sunday Jul 30 04:17:08 grrr, why is that showing up Jul 30 04:17:20 Rick__: hotel ethernet Jul 30 04:17:28 rwhitby too cool. Jul 30 04:17:45 rwhitby how was the flight? Jul 30 04:18:02 Same as most 10+ hour flights. Jul 30 04:18:37 crying babys, drunks, overcrowding, leg cramps, noise, nodnod Jul 30 04:23:03 noise cancelling in-ear headphones block most of that out. Jul 30 04:24:40 speaking of which, what are some good head phones to pick up Jul 30 04:24:46 that can do phoen calls as well, if possible Jul 30 04:31:15 where does something like Mojo.Log.info("a log message"); actually log a message to? Trying to wrap my head around how to debug applications. Also, is tailing /var/log/messages really the best way to see JS errors? Jul 30 04:33:45 whats the screnshot key-combo Jul 30 04:35:54 ahh, I think it worked... Jul 30 04:36:31 can't wait to get my linksys spa-2102 ata to use with google voice and gizmo... Jul 30 04:38:11 was thinking I would need to use the pre to initiate calls out and have GV call me on the gizmo number, but it appears that google is bringing gizmo around like it's little ***h Jul 30 04:38:50 so I should have a completely free landline, using a normal phone, attached to my DSL... by next week Jul 30 04:39:02 and from there on until they decide to make it not so free anymore Jul 30 04:39:52 yay and goog gets to record all your calls! Jul 30 04:40:22 not sure there is anything in my calls they can use Jul 30 04:40:28 they've got all your email and web history, why not your calls too :-) Jul 30 04:40:44 calls or call details? Jul 30 04:41:09 i tried the GV app on the itouch, first it rings yer phone then the number u called, neat Jul 30 04:41:10 I'm sure they can get at the stream if they want to. Jul 30 04:41:48 seems like the whole point Jul 30 04:41:55 I turned my Google Voice into just voicemail only Jul 30 04:42:02 well, free, aside from the $70 I spent on the ATA device... ;) Jul 30 04:42:14 I had been using callwave so I had sprint setup call forward on busy/unavailable to callwave to transcribe my voicemails Jul 30 04:42:17 What's an Itouch Robi? Jul 30 04:42:22 Never heard of it Jul 30 04:42:33 ipod touch Jul 30 04:42:35 I redirected that to my GV number, that way people still call my cell, but after I ignore (or am offnetwork/busy) they then forward to Google Voice and leave me a message Jul 30 04:42:43 :P Jul 30 04:43:01 which gets transcribed, I'm okay with google transcribing my voicemails, they're only 2-3% of my total call volume, so they're missing out on the 97% of the goodies Jul 30 04:43:09 tmzt: google needs to handle the stream directly so they can apply the new patent they got on inserting ads in phone calls when there are gaps in the conversation Jul 30 04:43:19 psykoz, works ok but reminds me of reading spams sometimes actually makes me laugh so hard looking at the gibberish Jul 30 04:43:19 really? Jul 30 04:43:42 Eguy: i know , it's not proper but it's too annoying to keep saying ipod when it's not just an ipod, and it's not an iphone so, its an itouch to me Jul 30 04:43:48 cuz I touch it :P Jul 30 04:44:03 psykoz: they get it wrong mostly anyhow ;] Jul 30 04:44:19 but it sure freaks people out when they get an email reply to their voicemail.. Jul 30 04:44:27 tmzt: http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2009/07/024108.htm Jul 30 04:44:36 hmagoo, callwave's is really nice, I don't care about the full voicemail, what I care about is seeing someone called and then how they say to reach them... usually I basically in my head read "hey, it's bob... I wanted to tell you things are doing great, but that doesn't matter, give me a call back at 711-555-5252" in my head as "hey it's bob, call me at 711-555-5252" Jul 30 04:44:57 reads like spam sometimes but, I can understand most of it, but get a little scared when they transcribe my wife talking about Marty and other names.. who the hell is Marty? lol Jul 30 04:45:26 heh yikes Jul 30 04:45:49 they definitely guess about whatever they don't know... Jul 30 04:46:08 argh someone remind me what key combo is to take a screen shot on the pre Jul 30 04:46:13 psykoz, completely understand Jul 30 04:47:17 Robi_, orange, sym, P? Jul 30 04:47:17 * Robi_ searches the pdf Jul 30 04:47:34 tried that, gave me a P Jul 30 04:47:36 not R lol Jul 30 04:48:01 or Pi Jul 30 04:48:09 yep, screenshot is orange+sym+p Jul 30 04:48:09 rwhitby, any urls to their patent on gap/ads ? Jul 30 04:48:29 but you dont get a visual/auditory que that the screenshot was taken Jul 30 04:48:41 check under photos->screencaptures Jul 30 04:48:53 psykoz, I'm thinking they will be doing ads before connecting calls Jul 30 04:48:53 psykoz: I pasted the link above Jul 30 04:48:56 bah i dont have enough thumbs for that Jul 30 04:49:09 nor an ack that it did a screen shot Jul 30 04:50:06 Robi_: lol, i do is left thumb on orange, then right index on sym and right middle finger on the p while holding the pre in the left hand Jul 30 04:50:17 psykoz: except the actual patent text link in that article doesn't point to the patent the article talks about Jul 30 04:50:53 s/, i/, what i/ Jul 30 04:50:53 gkatsev meant: Robi_: lol, what i do is left thumb on orange, then right index on sym and right middle finger on the p while holding the pre in the left hand Jul 30 04:50:55 * Robi_ invents a three-pronged screen shot tooll out of a paperclip Jul 30 04:51:15 heh Jul 30 04:51:27 if anyone tries using emacs on here, his hands will fall apart Jul 30 04:51:39 nice a vi parsing infobot Jul 30 04:52:03 well, its just regex replacement really Jul 30 04:52:10 s/its/it's Jul 30 04:52:25 hah Jul 30 04:52:28 fail Jul 30 04:52:29 hm... i guess i need the last / Jul 30 04:52:39 s/i/I/ Jul 30 04:52:39 gkatsev meant: hm... I guess i need the last / Jul 30 04:53:08 s/l/1/g Jul 30 04:53:10 Robi_ meant: fai1 Jul 30 04:53:20 try that gkatsev Jul 30 04:53:24 I never knew you could extract an app out of the doctor image and use it to repair, but looks like it worked Jul 30 04:53:32 i run my own asterisk server to collect voicemail Jul 30 04:54:00 hm... i guess i need the last / Jul 30 04:54:05 s/i/I/g Jul 30 04:54:05 gkatsev meant: hm... I guess I need the last / Jul 30 04:54:10 cool Jul 30 04:54:15 I don't have a problem collecting voicemail, I have a problem actually reading or listening to it Jul 30 04:54:26 i wonder if c works Jul 30 04:54:30 Err !reading, I have a problem listening to it Jul 30 04:54:51 psykoz: google voice, ftw Jul 30 04:55:08 s/g/G/gc Jul 30 04:55:12 my asterisk server emails me voicemails, which is kinda nice Jul 30 04:55:14 gkatsev, well, callwave's transcribes are much better, but I'm saving $15/month Jul 30 04:55:19 then i can play them on my laptop or phone Jul 30 04:55:20 nope, c doesnt work Jul 30 04:55:31 epv, no, email means you still have to listen to it, I >despise< listening to voicemails Jul 30 04:55:38 psykoz, they use humans in far away lands? Jul 30 04:55:39 oh i see Jul 30 04:55:42 Almost to the point that I originally had sprint turn my voicemailbox off Jul 30 04:55:52 isnt that what google voice does as well? Jul 30 04:55:53 hmagoo, their response is too fast for humans in far away lands imo Jul 30 04:55:53 i guess i get very little so it doesn't bother me Jul 30 04:55:56 hmagoo: how wou;d u get free calls out of an ata + gizmo + GV? Jul 30 04:56:16 epv, nod Jul 30 04:56:36 but man, if i ever start getting spammed during phone calls, i wil lhave to stop using the phone Jul 30 04:56:40 I heard some services actually use humans Jul 30 04:56:41 gkatsev: toldyouso :> Jul 30 04:57:08 lol Jul 30 04:57:11 fine Jul 30 04:57:26 #vim should add it to their vimgor Jul 30 04:57:32 gkatsev, callwave's really got nice transcriptions, if I didn't care about saving $180/yr I'd stick with it. But for $180/yr in savings (30 6 packs of beer), I am getting less quality transcribes that are okay enough ;) Jul 30 04:57:50 Zuchmir2, GV has a settings dialog for your gizmo info, gizmo has a settings dialog for your GV info Jul 30 04:57:52 ok Jul 30 04:57:59 the second part is brand new Jul 30 04:58:10 and probably limited time, I dunno Jul 30 04:59:37 i read it said 20 minute max... i tried, it didn't work for me :-( Jul 30 05:00:39 read this article, and couldn't get it to work: http://snapvoip.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-sip-calls-with-google-voice-and.html Jul 30 05:00:45 anyway, going to sleep Jul 30 05:00:45 night Jul 30 05:01:11 nite Jul 30 05:05:59 Zuchmir2, I've seen some forum threads around with some good info. Jul 30 05:07:11 quick example, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22770034-SPA2102R-Firmware-gizmo5-GV-configuration Jul 30 05:07:45 adios folks. Jul 30 05:10:20 ok, i'll look @ that... it may be enticing to get an SIP client for pre to call out using that Jul 30 05:13:21 for sure, I'm just done paying for any additional communication services than I already am.. although I'm up for very low cost. Jul 30 05:14:01 but would like a landline (or functioning like one) in the house Jul 30 05:15:14 Zuchmir2, I spent a month on that Jul 30 05:15:19 let me tell you, don't bother Jul 30 05:15:22 it doesn't work anymore Jul 30 05:15:35 wasted a shitload of time, but I do like Google Voice :) Jul 30 05:15:49 problem is that Google completely denied access to SIP. Even to Gizmo now. :( Jul 30 05:15:49 got verizon to honor the price for new customers ($19.99) for 1MB/384 DSL.. I had 768/128, lol for the same price Jul 30 05:16:43 aYellowBanana: the link i posted above is date july 27, 2009, it's already outdated? Jul 30 05:16:51 aYellowBanana, they didn't realize how much the world was going to abuse it or what? Jul 30 05:17:02 yes to both Jul 30 05:17:21 wow! that was quick Jul 30 05:18:30 i thought i had set something up wrong... but i guess i'm not the only one Jul 30 05:19:35 even toyed w/the idea of using an and call ppl using that, but the pre doesn't support it (i think it's shockwave) Jul 30 05:19:38 yeah. i was looking forward to it :( Jul 30 05:20:10 good night guys Jul 30 05:20:14 * aYellowBanana 's bed time now Jul 30 05:20:20 good nite Jul 30 05:21:25 http://www.gizmovoice.com/ Jul 30 05:21:39 destinal, you here Jul 30 05:21:41 does look a little more blank than when I read the page two days ago Jul 30 05:22:01 tlz: am now Jul 30 05:22:24 Having some troubles.. I can novaproxy into root, but if I try to put my pre into passthrough mode (mpt d userial) it just stalls after I press enter. Any ideas? Jul 30 05:23:25 I can still put gizmo phones on my gvoice Jul 30 05:23:26 weird Jul 30 05:23:39 so im running terminal 0.1.5, and my enter button doesnt work... Jul 30 05:23:46 gotta use sym+! Jul 30 05:23:51 tlz: reboot Jul 30 05:24:02 or restart luna Jul 30 05:24:06 did... several times Jul 30 05:24:07 lol Jul 30 05:24:21 you have a mismatched term and termplugin Jul 30 05:24:39 remove them both and install from feed Jul 30 05:24:42 then reboot Jul 30 05:24:45 ahh Jul 30 05:24:47 gotcha Jul 30 05:24:57 its fixed actually Jul 30 05:25:01 ur the man ;) Jul 30 05:25:06 cool Jul 30 05:25:09 :) Jul 30 05:26:01 love the terminal app Jul 30 05:26:06 Zuchmir2: hey Jul 30 05:26:44 Zuchmir2: I haven't looked at todays commits (working and then home stuff) Jul 30 05:27:19 Zuchmir2, "You are now ready to receive calls for free and make US calls at low cost which will now show on your Caller ID as your GoogleVoice number!" Jul 30 05:27:21 ok, just time out. I see how you are Jul 30 05:27:33 ;) Jul 30 05:27:47 thats a switch, no wonder the text is not meant to be visible yet Jul 30 05:28:04 http://www.gizmovoice.com/ Jul 30 05:30:32 Zuchmir2, http://www.gizmovoice.com/ and "read" Jul 30 05:30:49 $.02 minute to place calls. Jul 30 05:31:29 but google voice will connect outbound calls for free Jul 30 05:31:56 as well as inbound Jul 30 05:32:22 Zuchmir2: hey Jul 30 05:32:54 destinal, I doubt it. not sure whats up Jul 30 05:33:01 see you guys. Jul 30 05:33:16 hmagoo: later Jul 30 05:33:31 you can get plain normal voip service for less than 2c/min tho Jul 30 05:33:39 gmmm Jul 30 05:33:53 whats the quiet-powerd-messages.patch Jul 30 05:34:11 epv: google voice + gizmo is free inbound calls and via google voice's web interface an outbound call is effectively an inbound call Jul 30 05:34:38 so free phone line if you can send http requests to place your calls (asterisk, anyone?) Jul 30 05:35:22 tlz: the quiet-powerd patch makes powerd shut up Jul 30 05:35:36 normally it walls you a lot Jul 30 05:35:56 saying it went to sleep, woke up, etc Jul 30 05:36:03 ahhh Jul 30 05:36:07 in the terminal Jul 30 05:36:10 yes Jul 30 05:36:21 worth patching you think? Jul 30 05:36:32 if it annoys you Jul 30 05:36:41 destinal update tonight? or still got the weirdo bugs? Jul 30 05:36:59 Rick__: I think we're fresh out of weirdo bugs, you should have come earlier if you wanted them :P Jul 30 05:37:04 so yeah, might be good Jul 30 05:37:07 checking a few things Jul 30 05:37:14 any progress on launching new scenes? Jul 30 05:37:26 Puff was working on integrating that Jul 30 05:37:32 k Jul 30 05:37:40 he pushed something so let me check Jul 30 05:37:54 got 3 minutes to listen to a request? Jul 30 05:37:58 sure Jul 30 05:39:27 hmgoo: so u need to pay gizmo to connect to GV? Jul 30 05:39:39 Zuchmir2: gizmo is free Jul 30 05:39:46 what kinda requests we got goin on Jul 30 05:39:46 lol Jul 30 05:39:48 destinal: hpw do u do it in http? Jul 30 05:40:00 well use their web interface with a browser first Jul 30 05:40:03 destinal: true Jul 30 05:40:04 then figure out how it does it Jul 30 05:40:26 and automate if you find a browser inconvenient for placing all your calls at home Jul 30 05:40:59 http://gizmo5.com/ Jul 30 05:41:10 and don't worry about the call out stuff since you won't technically be calling out Jul 30 05:41:14 google voice will be calling you Jul 30 05:41:20 when you tell it to place outbound calls Jul 30 05:41:40 Rick__: still there? Jul 30 05:41:45 Zuchmir2, destinal: I've pushed a change to let you select the font Jul 30 05:42:03 mrvc: looking... Jul 30 05:42:05 mrvc: did it merge with puff's stuff? i think he did a lot of mojo changes Jul 30 05:42:12 im lost Jul 30 05:42:12 but I haven't checked yet Jul 30 05:42:12 lol Jul 30 05:42:19 Zuchmir2: I had some conflicts Jul 30 05:42:39 I thought puff's code was lots different but haven't tested it yet Jul 30 05:43:20 Zuchmir2, destinal: the problem is that when you switch away from the main stage, the terminal gets destroyed Jul 30 05:43:34 and then it gets re-created when you come back from the preferences Jul 30 05:43:34 oh? Jul 30 05:43:42 so you are at the login prompt again Jul 30 05:44:09 does it make a call to destroy it? Jul 30 05:44:29 destinal: yeah, I think it is like when you go to another page in a web browser Jul 30 05:44:38 we should be able to preserve it Jul 30 05:44:41 all the plugins get destroyed Jul 30 05:44:55 the plugin doesn't ever get unloaded Jul 30 05:45:03 mrvc, it sould have persisted Jul 30 05:45:14 the menu is just inserted into the dom above the main scene. Jul 30 05:45:17 mrvc: did u do color selection? Jul 30 05:45:23 Zuchmir2: no Jul 30 05:45:58 Rick__: yeah, I don't know enough about it, but it is definately destroyed and re-created Jul 30 05:46:09 that's really odd mrvc Jul 30 05:46:14 what was he calling? Jul 30 05:46:43 Rick__: NPP_Destroy is called Jul 30 05:46:51 added earlier today an setColors()... should be easy to implement Jul 30 05:47:13 jeeez. Was that in response to a menu function? Jul 30 05:47:20 or to just BRINGING UP the menu? Jul 30 05:47:20 does the plugin unload as well? Jul 30 05:47:32 Rick__: In response to pushing a new scene Jul 30 05:47:35 ugh Jul 30 05:47:47 I think I know what's wrong Jul 30 05:48:10 epyon2, you there? :) Jul 30 05:48:11 Zuchmir2: I don't think the .so is unloading, it is just destroying the instance Jul 30 05:48:55 case 'do-prefs': Jul 30 05:48:55 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('prefs'); Jul 30 05:49:07 looks like everone's got a different cross-compiler :-) Jul 30 05:49:08 if you just push a scene you destroy the plugin it seems Jul 30 05:49:24 I would have created a new stage and pushed it there Jul 30 05:49:35 maybe it would have come up in another card, but I'm ok with that for now Jul 30 05:49:59 destinal: yeah, that may be the best way Jul 30 05:50:12 was hping somehow to get to NP_Shutdown() which would hopefully avoid a reboot on each compile Jul 30 05:50:15 destinal: it'll get a bit confusing if you have multiple sessions though Jul 30 05:51:51 we could always do what classic did, and use a seperate process for our program and make the plugin an adapter between luna and program Jul 30 05:51:52 destinal it should not have destroyed the plugin... in the inspector when you push a scene, it inserts that scene INTO THE DOM above the scene you were viewing. Jul 30 05:52:13 that's just weird behavior. Jul 30 05:52:23 but that's clearly WHY classic did it that way. Jul 30 05:53:43 so destinal the idea is, pushing the scene destroyes the plugin, and when you come back to the scene, the plugin is re-created, but all it does is provide a viewport into the back-end program running in a seperate process? Jul 30 05:53:55 exactly Jul 30 05:53:57 so the back end process is still logged in.... Jul 30 05:54:09 you guys make progress or just speculating? Jul 30 05:54:19 PuffTheMagic: speculating Jul 30 05:54:30 and in the state you left it or, updated by events in the terminal, but in any event you get state info from the back-end-process. Jul 30 05:54:56 right, that's basically how they did it (and kill the process when they destroy the card) Jul 30 05:55:17 i am pretty sure plugins get loaded once when luna starts Jul 30 05:55:23 isn't that actually -simpler- in some sense, because the back end process is "just" a terminal app... and the plugin does the graphic stuff to provide a viewport? Jul 30 05:55:31 yeah they get loaded but not instantiated Jul 30 05:55:33 so each terminal session will need a thread within the plugin Jul 30 05:55:38 would responding to hasproperty of ownerDocument help any? Jul 30 05:56:22 Pushing a scene does not destroy the plugin Jul 30 05:56:31 i tired pushing a new "term" scene Jul 30 05:56:31 It sends it a shutdown event Jul 30 05:56:38 and you could still type in the shell Jul 30 05:56:41 oh? Jul 30 05:56:46 naa it didnt shutdown at all Jul 30 05:56:47 well term is already running Jul 30 05:56:52 so pushing it just goes back there Jul 30 05:56:54 but the menu was sorta jacked up Jul 30 05:57:09 destinal: first off... we definately need to create a new stage Jul 30 05:57:23 but for preferences it would be a little weird I agree Jul 30 05:57:25 but i think you are right that we need a thread per stage Jul 30 05:57:32 to have prefs show up in another card Jul 30 05:57:33 for preferences it is easy Jul 30 05:57:39 cause that is a difference scene Jul 30 05:57:47 but that kills it now Jul 30 05:57:48 check it out Jul 30 05:57:55 destinal: i was able make an alert dialog work Jul 30 05:57:59 and it didnt kill the plugin Jul 30 05:58:04 and that is just a type of scene Jul 30 05:58:16 so a preferences scene shouldnt kill it either Jul 30 05:58:20 ok so why are we getting called to shutdown? Jul 30 05:58:47 i have no idea what you are actually doing when that happens Jul 30 05:58:52 when the preferences scene is pushed Jul 30 05:59:01 code? Jul 30 05:59:01 It is destroying the javascript object, and then the plugin instance Jul 30 05:59:06 PuffTheMagic: git repo Jul 30 05:59:33 mrvc: we need to go headless on this Jul 30 05:59:35 and when you come back to the original scene, it re-creates the plugin instance and the javascript object Jul 30 05:59:37 and use AppAssistant Jul 30 05:59:43 so there isn't a way to push without destroying the javascript objects? Jul 30 05:59:53 or another stage? Jul 30 06:00:02 destinal: look into using AppAssistant and headless Jul 30 06:00:02 since another stage mandates another card right? Jul 30 06:00:09 its gonna be the way to go Jul 30 06:00:13 and prefs in another card admittedly would be werid Jul 30 06:00:17 weird Jul 30 06:00:28 you create termplugin in the constructor for the AppAssistant Jul 30 06:00:34 then its available to all scenes Jul 30 06:00:47 and stages Jul 30 06:01:06 so that means it won't destroy our js object when we push over the top? Jul 30 06:01:13 but i cant seem to get anything working right now using sources.json style Jul 30 06:01:33 or that we'll have to push another card Jul 30 06:01:34 where did "org.webosinternals.term/stylesheets/term.css" come from in the git? Jul 30 06:02:29 PuffTheMagic you're using the appassistant in sources without a scene line? so it front-loads? Jul 30 06:02:35 hey guys... i think you/we should start creating branches when you are gonna test broken test code Jul 30 06:02:43 then when its working merge it back into master Jul 30 06:02:55 Rick_: what? Jul 30 06:03:15 app-assistant does not seem to go in sources.json Jul 30 06:03:23 at least i dont see it in any other code Jul 30 06:03:29 k Jul 30 06:03:37 Rick__: I think he's using a similar technique to the browser where it starts headless and then dynamically creates stages and scenes Jul 30 06:03:41 but i need to start using the emulator Jul 30 06:03:49 right Jul 30 06:03:51 or you knew that Jul 30 06:03:54 kk Jul 30 06:03:54 got it. Jul 30 06:04:34 since the browser is capable of being launched again from the launcher that would make term more intuitive Jul 30 06:04:49 you can put _any_ script in sources.json without a scene line, and they front-load before any scene is instantiated. I'm not saying you don't need to use the headless / created scenes technique, Jul 30 06:05:08 I think you do. I'm just pointing out that sources.json front-loads any js files that don't mention a scene. Jul 30 06:05:23 Right. Jul 30 06:05:35 Exception caught in V8Proxy::CallFunction (0) (Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'sendKeyUp') Jul 30 06:05:39 reverse browser's structure so that you can see why it's capable of being multi-loaded. Jul 30 06:05:59 Zuchmir2: that's what happens when your terminal object isn't there Jul 30 06:06:02 err embed Jul 30 06:06:32 i know, i'm pointing that out Jul 30 06:07:19 Zuchmir2: yeah, it seems that when you go to another stage, the plugin loses the instance, and it becomes just another dom object Jul 30 06:07:55 Zuchmir2: I guess it should remove the event listeners in deactivate or something Jul 30 06:08:02 deactivate(0 Jul 30 06:08:06 deactivate() Jul 30 06:08:19 woah Jul 30 06:08:26 i see why shit gets messed up Jul 30 06:08:31 you need to create a new stage Jul 30 06:10:08 ok, i see it calls Object_Deallocate, followed by NPP_Destroy Jul 30 06:22:20 well i still think we need to use AppAssistant to work with multiple stages Jul 30 06:22:42 but ineed to go to bed Jul 30 06:22:44 ttl Jul 30 06:22:46 ttyl Jul 30 06:23:00 me too Jul 30 06:23:21 will have to experiment more tomorrow Jul 30 06:24:31 Anybody have "unable to connect" in the update app after 1.1? Jul 30 06:24:43 My Profile is verified Jul 30 06:28:11 whats good Jul 30 06:32:27 bzhou * r10511 optware/trunk/make/irssi.mk: irssi: 0.8.13 -> 0.8.14 Jul 30 07:07:33 root@gemux86:/tmp# cat /tmp/optware-bootstrap.sh.log Jul 30 07:07:58 Creating new /opt directory: Jul 30 07:08:05 OK Jul 30 07:08:16 Mounting /dev/hdb to /opt: Jul 30 07:08:44 ERROR: /dev/hdb does not exist Jul 30 07:09:07 root@gemux86:/tmp# Jul 30 07:11:58 mrvc: added to your prefs page: color Jul 30 07:17:02 prefs page for the terminal? Jul 30 07:21:42 yes Jul 30 07:22:32 nice Jul 30 07:22:38 when i click perfs, it doesn't open heh Jul 30 07:22:55 ... the prefs page has been causing a "reset" to the terminal Jul 30 07:23:16 it's in the new HEAD, not yet in the package Jul 30 07:23:22 ahh Jul 30 07:23:28 so its in a future version.. Jul 30 07:23:34 yeah Jul 30 07:24:01 werd! Jul 30 07:30:21 JC2: you need to create a virtual disk first, as the wiki page says Jul 30 07:48:13 rwhitby: hey Jul 30 07:48:24 destinal: yup Jul 30 07:49:10 just saying hello.. ever feel like you're warping your brain in too many different directions learning many topics at once? Jul 30 07:49:23 destinal: every day my friend Jul 30 07:49:43 and today especially Jul 30 07:50:50 I guess its best never to stop that. still, javascript, css, sqlite3, c++, java, dbus, .. it definitely seems like palm wanted to create an *interesting* platform :) Jul 30 07:51:22 rwhitby: you're in japan? Jul 30 07:52:00 hai Jul 30 07:53:05 getting ready to go out to defcon in las vegas -- should be interesting. I hate airports, however Jul 30 07:54:29 have fun at defcon Jul 30 07:55:16 do you ever try to make it up to the states for defcon / blackhat? Jul 30 07:58:10 nope, not my area Jul 30 08:01:04 ah well, must sleep. have a good (afternoon?) Jul 30 08:50:46 okay, where's this armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ at... Jul 30 09:38:03 yoo, anyone here? Jul 30 09:38:23 yes Jul 30 09:38:26 unfortunately Jul 30 09:38:34 instead of sleepign Jul 30 09:38:38 lol, i forgot to backup 3 files :/ Jul 30 09:38:38 I'm up trading Jul 30 09:38:49 any chance you would have them? Jul 30 09:39:15 my phone is too far away Jul 30 09:39:16 heh Jul 30 09:39:20 it's in the car Jul 30 09:39:43 aww man. Jul 30 09:39:45 lol Jul 30 10:38:34 anyone here? Jul 30 10:55:56 ? Jul 30 10:58:38 morning Jul 30 11:01:46 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Enable_Landscape_Viewing_in_Email Jul 30 11:01:50 someone edited this page again Jul 30 11:01:52 IT WORKS Jul 30 11:04:45 hey Jul 30 11:04:52 i used the palm site to download the webos doctor Jul 30 11:04:58 where does the .jar file save to? Jul 30 11:05:15 where ever you told it to Jul 30 11:05:34 no.. i didnt get a choice Jul 30 11:05:49 it downloaded some like.. 100 kb java installer thing Jul 30 11:06:01 then that thing downloaded the actually jar Jul 30 11:06:01 ok, sorry Jul 30 12:00:23 anyone know where text messages are stored? Jul 30 12:10:01 Decimation: use the direct link to the jar file from our WebOS_Doctor wiki page Jul 30 12:11:59 mikedg: did you check the tracker app http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/GPS_Tracking? since it reads incoming text messages and sends back location info, I'd guess it knows. Jul 30 12:12:46 drnull: i have not Jul 30 12:13:17 i screwed up quite a bit oops :( Jul 30 12:13:46 i somehow made it so my girlfriend will not show up in the messaging list when she sends a txt Jul 30 12:13:47 lol Jul 30 12:13:54 i cant reproduce it either :( Jul 30 12:14:22 woops Jul 30 12:14:39 i tried getting the same to happen for other contacts but no luck Jul 30 12:15:10 cause it could come in handy for when you have more than 1 girlfriend :) Jul 30 12:18:05 thanks tho drnull that looks helpful Jul 30 12:18:08 mikedg: you could make it location dependent too Jul 30 12:18:29 at girlfriend 1's house, don't show girlfriend 2's txts Jul 30 12:18:33 and vice versa Jul 30 12:19:13 haha Jul 30 12:28:45 it appears they dont really delete messages when you delete messages Jul 30 12:35:26 my phone seems to be perpetually in a writable mode Jul 30 12:47:35 what a pain :( Jul 30 12:51:42 * mikedg is gonna try deleting a few of these ables Jul 30 12:51:43 hmm Jul 30 12:55:13 SQL error: no such collation sequence: LOCALIZED_SECONDARY Jul 30 13:23:21 lol Jul 30 13:23:40 just figured out why i couldnt delete stuff from my phone Jul 30 13:23:40 doh Jul 30 13:23:48 i was ocnnected to the meulator with noovaterm Jul 30 13:26:07 well my attempt at fixing this didnt work :( Jul 30 13:34:00 hey all Jul 30 13:47:52 morning Jul 30 13:50:48 bah i never realised sqlite has triggers Jul 30 13:58:02 Zuchmir2: ping Jul 30 14:00:32 think im gonn ahave to redoctor up :( Jul 30 14:42:36 tryign a last ditch atttempt Jul 30 14:42:51 to fix this by deleting all my contacts Jul 30 14:45:00 ~seen atlanta Jul 30 14:45:01 atlanta was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 22h 59m 28s ago, saying: 'so i dont do it'. Jul 30 14:47:30 nice Jul 30 14:56:36 and i said how about breakfast at tiffanys.... Jul 30 14:56:43 whoops wrong window! Jul 30 14:56:46 I GOT MULTIPLE CARDS WORKING!!!!!!!!!! Jul 30 14:56:48 whoot! Jul 30 14:58:18 ~help Jul 30 14:58:26 ~seen destinal-zzzz Jul 30 14:58:28 destinal-zzzz is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 6d 1h 9m 29s, last said: 'rwhitby: good progress!'. Jul 30 15:15:04 ~help Jul 30 15:15:27 ~ircstats Jul 30 15:15:27 Currently I'm hooked up to irc.us.freenode.net:6667 but only for 1d 6h 38m 14s. I had to reconnect 12 times. Connectivity: 6.251 %. I was last disconnected for 'Connection reset by peer'. Jul 30 15:15:44 ~cpustats Jul 30 15:15:45 Total CPU usage: 73123.2 s ... Total used: 2.7 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %) Jul 30 15:15:52 ~ seen i700plus Jul 30 15:15:54 i700plus is currently on #webos-internals (20m 37s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~ seen i700plus'. Jul 30 15:17:16 ~wtf Jul 30 15:26:05 Does anyone know how hard/possible it would be to install x on the debian-small image on my pre and possibly run it? would directfb work? Jul 30 15:30:07 i700plus: technically running X on the Pre is possible Jul 30 15:30:20 using the standard palm userland.... might be tricky Jul 30 15:30:28 you could use a gentoo arm7 stage3 Jul 30 15:30:33 pretty easily Jul 30 15:30:38 i know nothing about debian-small Jul 30 15:30:53 i'm going to reasearch it a bit and give it a try, id love to see it work Jul 30 15:31:18 it will involve a LOT of work though Jul 30 15:31:30 have the doctor ready to restore your pre ;) Jul 30 15:31:45 i can only imagine, Jul 30 15:31:47 oh well, i've got nothing to lose Jul 30 15:35:29 i'm relaly new to the whole linux thing, would it be possible to do exactly what is done to run doom on the pre, put the gentoo img on the pre and use chroot to start x? then run x that way? Jul 30 15:35:54 LOL Jul 30 15:36:03 you are new to linux and you want to try and get X running on a Pre Jul 30 15:36:12 ever hear of baby steps? Jul 30 15:36:21 jump the gun much Jul 30 15:36:33 well im not new, ive used many distros but im new to the whole console thing Jul 30 15:36:55 so you dont really "know linux" you just use it? Jul 30 15:37:12 have you ever installed slackware or gentoo sucessfully? Jul 30 15:37:17 im learning... slowly and know enough to get around.. yes Jul 30 15:37:20 and used it for any lengh of time? Jul 30 15:38:03 i700plus: i would really just wait till someone has a plain or linux image that you can dump onto the pre Jul 30 15:38:10 if you want to run your phone with out Luna Jul 30 15:38:27 yeah, true Jul 30 15:38:45 im not trying to sound stupid, im just asking to learn lol Jul 30 15:38:47 i mean im not trying to say to go explore and try things Jul 30 15:38:51 cause thats how I learn too Jul 30 15:39:04 but its not gonna be like installing ubuntu Jul 30 15:41:22 y mean you are right about the whole know linux and just using it, i know a very small ammount about how to use it, but enough to mess around, i know nothing about directory structure or basic console commands, i've got doom running on the pre so i can follow directions and also am running irssi in debian on the pre. Jul 30 15:41:59 i just dont know anything but the basics... Jul 30 15:43:48 i700plus: if you are serious about learning... install something like gentoo (if you have a fast enought cpu to compile your whole system in less than a day) Jul 30 15:43:53 if not try something like slackware Jul 30 15:44:01 they make you do everything from the ground up Jul 30 15:44:09 and you will learn a lot along the way Jul 30 15:52:25 im just going to install windows 7 on the pre.. .haha runs good on my laptop why not on the pre! Jul 30 15:52:38  /sarcasm Jul 30 15:54:16 thats like getting xp to boot through emulation on the ps3, i heard it took a full day to start up Jul 30 15:54:33 j0sh, no Jul 30 15:55:04 or was it the ps2 oO Jul 30 15:55:12 prob ps2 Jul 30 15:55:30 haha, or running virtualpc with linux running cedega playing counterstrike... Jul 30 16:06:05 does the device partial reset screw with ur palm profile? Jul 30 16:06:49 i700plus: I made a Gentoo stage 1 guide if you wanna learn: http://xerq.net Jul 30 16:07:20 nice i will take a look. thanks a ton Jul 30 16:08:36 well i hope not cause i just did it Jul 30 16:09:49 ugh it doesnt appea rot do jack shit Jul 30 16:10:36 nothing appears to have been erased Jul 30 16:14:37 mikedg: the partial erase and full erase dont seem to do jack Jul 30 16:14:44 except for erasing your media Jul 30 16:14:48 if you do the full erase Jul 30 16:14:57 all your apps and settings will still be there Jul 30 16:15:06 if you want a nice clean erase use the doctor Jul 30 16:15:19 i tried partial erase, i noticed no difference Jul 30 16:15:27 the palm profile will restore your apps Jul 30 16:16:37 uess im stuck without being able to eaisly text my gf for a few days bah Jul 30 16:17:09 "app store installed apps" Jul 30 16:17:14 not custom apps Jul 30 16:17:46 destinal-zzzz: WAKE UP!!! Jul 30 16:17:58 i dont wanna do a doctor, cause i have a handful of crap on the media side of my drive i dont wanna lose Jul 30 16:18:12 mikedg: back it up Jul 30 16:18:20 usb2.0 is fast Jul 30 16:18:22 wont take long Jul 30 16:19:05 pre always seems slow to me Jul 30 16:19:24 on usb mode Jul 30 16:20:40 oh crap Jul 30 16:20:53 apparently i already did a web doctor on it without backin that stuff up Jul 30 16:20:55 woops Jul 30 16:21:32 I've been looking to get the extended battery: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK Jul 30 16:21:41 Will this fit in the side pouch-case from Sprint? Jul 30 16:21:44 id get it if someone rigs up touchstone Jul 30 16:21:45 is there a reason they need your serial number before you can download the doctor Jul 30 16:22:34 jl: It contains an unencrypted copy of the entire filesystem witha ll the source-code, probably to keep people who don't have the phone away from their code Jul 30 16:22:54 ah Jul 30 16:23:17 anyone notice a dead pixel in theirs? i didnt notice it until i ran the terminal app, lol Jul 30 16:23:31 jl: Do you mean a stuck pixel? Jul 30 16:23:38 yeah i guess Jul 30 16:24:43 Yeah, those are pretty common with the Pre's from what I've heard. I'd take it to Sprint if you wanted to see about possibly getting a new one Jul 30 16:25:57 its really hard to see in good lighting conditions, but was thinking about restoring it and going back to the store, only got the phone on the 16th of this month Jul 30 16:26:51 You're still under the 30-day replacement deal. They replaced my first one without any problems. Jul 30 16:27:11 The 2nd replacement was a bit trickier, but they sitll did it. Jul 30 16:27:15 hopspitfire: i am pretty sure that extended batter is the same size that the stock battery Jul 30 16:27:23 and its only 120% stock capacity Jul 30 16:27:29 idk if thats worth it Jul 30 16:27:41 Hrmm, the original is 1800 and the extended is 2600 Jul 30 16:28:01 hopspitfire: have you read the reviews Jul 30 16:28:07 everything says 20% more battery life Jul 30 16:28:11 what what i've read about it Jul 30 16:28:48 but maybe that is because Palms powerd uses percentage and not remaining mwh Jul 30 16:29:09 original is not 1800 Jul 30 16:29:33 the same size extended battery is 20% better Jul 30 16:29:40 theres also a thicker battery though thats 2600mah Jul 30 16:29:45 ohhhh Jul 30 16:30:15 mikedg: Yeah, the 2600 one is what I'm looking at. I just popped my battery, it's 1150 my bad. Jul 30 16:30:39 im mtrying afull reset without the doctor lets see if it does anythign Jul 30 16:31:04 This is the 20%: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK Jul 30 16:31:15 This is the 90(?)%: http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BACY26PMPRE-BK Jul 30 16:31:18 oops Jul 30 16:31:26 20%:http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/basi13pmx3.htm Jul 30 16:33:03 full reset did not work either ugh Jul 30 16:33:30 i told you it doesnt do shit Jul 30 16:33:32 How do they get 190% if the stock one is 1150 and it's 2600 ? Isn't that 226 % ? Jul 30 16:33:49 not sure if you've done the webos doctor before, but after reinstalling on mine I had to get my MSL code from sprint to get on the network again Jul 30 16:34:01 ive done it like 3 times Jul 30 16:34:04 lmorchard: i didnt Jul 30 16:34:15 its just a pain now cause i have bad service and an old version Jul 30 16:34:16 lmorchard: did you decline the TOS by accident? Jul 30 16:34:30 Not as far as I can remember Jul 30 16:34:45 I saw it as an issue on a forum somewhere too... which of course I forget where Jul 30 16:35:07 Sounded like an intermittent issue Jul 30 16:52:43 what the fuck is with the pastebin? Jul 30 16:52:53 I think it's glitching or something Jul 30 16:53:07 works fine for me Jul 30 16:54:34 how many posts do you have? Jul 30 16:55:21 wgetpaste ftw! Jul 30 16:55:35 * PuffTheMagic shakes destinal-zzzz's bed Jul 30 16:55:47 ~seen destinal-zzzz Jul 30 16:55:48 destinal-zzzz is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 6d 3h 6m 49s, last said: 'rwhitby: good progress!'. Jul 30 16:55:56 mrvc-zzz: ping!! Jul 30 16:56:03 ~seen destinal Jul 30 16:56:04 destinal was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8h 55m ago, saying: 'ah well, must sleep. have a good (afternoon?)'. Jul 30 16:56:07 A2NY: i know he is still asleep, we were all up mad late last night Jul 30 16:56:18 or at work Jul 30 16:56:19 idk Jul 30 16:57:01 anyone here going to defcon? I know destinal might be Jul 30 16:57:25 what country/state/date? Jul 30 16:57:49 haha Jul 30 16:57:52 Las Vegas Jul 30 16:57:57 starts tomorrow Jul 30 16:57:59 thru Sunday Jul 30 16:58:06 ahh, i wont be Jul 30 16:58:07 www.defcon.org Jul 30 16:58:19 annual computer security/drinking conference Jul 30 16:58:25 lots of fun Jul 30 16:59:46 im going and am going to hack with my pre Jul 30 16:59:54 im going to show them all who is boss Jul 30 17:00:00 =\ Jul 30 17:00:05 * A2NY facepalm Jul 30 17:00:05 what exactly are you going to show them plus? Jul 30 17:00:05 nice Jul 30 17:00:23 ever been before plus? Jul 30 17:00:25 i700plus is going to show them how he can get root Jul 30 17:00:30 I want to go this year :( I love Grey Hat conventions Jul 30 17:00:36 A2NY, LMAO Jul 30 17:00:36 im going to show them how i hacked into your computer and stole your pr0n collection... all from my palm pre Jul 30 17:00:46 and you could even watch it after Jul 30 17:00:48 on EVDO right ? Jul 30 17:00:49 no... i wish i was there before Jul 30 17:00:56 ah Jul 30 17:01:00 this will be my 4th i think Jul 30 17:01:00 i700plus, did you use sub7 Jul 30 17:01:01 yes im going to show them how to SUDO!!! Jul 30 17:01:10 but im looking for another player for my hacker jeopardy team Jul 30 17:01:10 brb Jul 30 17:01:18 just Jul 30 17:01:31 walk up to everyones box and sudo rm -rf / Jul 30 17:03:14 i need to wait until i get drunk so i dont feel my self getting punched by a million geeks haha Jul 30 17:03:44 they will just take your wallet and post your info on b Jul 30 17:03:55 rofl Jul 30 17:04:16 oh great... not /b/ Jul 30 17:04:26 \d\ Jul 30 17:04:32 lol /b Jul 30 17:04:42 they will force me to sing WHEN I WAS... Jul 30 17:04:44 i really was hoping this channel would be /b free Jul 30 17:04:52 i guess there is no escaping it anywhere on irc Jul 30 17:05:03 Nowhere is safe Jul 30 17:05:05 PuffTheMagic, STOP, before you get us even deeper Jul 30 17:05:09 O_O Jul 30 17:05:32 I had a friend who posted a few times on /b/, went to his car and found a piece of paper in his windshield "Sup /b/" Jul 30 17:05:40 this is fucked up. there's only one post in the web os pastebin and it's an error Jul 30 17:05:59 1. post webos-channel on b 2.come back to channel 3 ?????? 4. PROFIT!!! Jul 30 17:06:12 oh God O_O Jul 30 17:06:52 seriously, anyone here see any posts on pastebin? Jul 30 17:07:35 SAM1AM, how fast is your comcast business connection? Jul 30 17:07:46 aYellowBanana, yes PB works for me Jul 30 17:07:55 A2NY, how many posts do you see? Jul 30 17:08:13 aYellowBanana: I don't know, it's crappy Jul 30 17:08:40 I'm thinking of switching to cable, but comcast is the only provider here >_> Jul 30 17:08:45 fucking telecomm monopolies... Jul 30 17:08:48 What are you on now? Jul 30 17:08:49 jcrawford was last post Jul 30 17:08:53 1 hour ago Jul 30 17:08:54 AT&T DSL Jul 30 17:09:03 oh yea - it's better than that Jul 30 17:09:08 i use comcast @home Jul 30 17:09:08 what did i post? Jul 30 17:09:09 A2NY, well then it's confirmed, my pastebin is screwed up Jul 30 17:09:17 oh pastebin :D Jul 30 17:09:36 we have comcast here @ work and it is fast Jul 30 17:09:40 my comcast@home is 20MB/1MB Jul 30 17:09:41 burstable to 16mbit Jul 30 17:09:49 but i love my fios @ home :D Jul 30 17:09:59 jcrawford, I hate you Jul 30 17:10:00 fios @ home = 20/20 Jul 30 17:10:06 * aYellowBanana melts in jealousy Jul 30 17:10:17 honestly i am backing down the upload to 20/5 Jul 30 17:10:26 just have no need for that fast of an upload :) Jul 30 17:10:29 jcrawford, what's your average download speed from lets say sourceforge? Jul 30 17:11:00 ARRGHH WTF?? pastebin only shows me one post. and it's an error message! fml Jul 30 17:11:13 aYellowBanana: screenshot it Jul 30 17:11:32 oh shit Jul 30 17:11:36 it's only on my firefox Jul 30 17:11:40 IE shows it correctly Jul 30 17:11:41 * aYellowBanana gags Jul 30 17:11:58 Which version? Jul 30 17:12:24 aYellowBanana, usually between 2-3MB/s Jul 30 17:12:30 I truthfully don't know. I think I'll reinstall FF, upgrade to the newest Jul 30 17:12:33 rarely does it drop below 2MB/s Jul 30 17:12:39 jcrawford, hm, do you think that's worth the money? Jul 30 17:12:46 I hear it's expensive as fuck Jul 30 17:12:48 aYellowBanana, i pay about $60/mo Jul 30 17:12:50 for the internet Jul 30 17:12:54 * aYellowBanana cringes Jul 30 17:12:56 cheaper if i back down on the upload speed Jul 30 17:13:02 my parents won't allow for that :( Jul 30 17:13:07 yup i need my msl Jul 30 17:13:07 grrr Jul 30 17:13:10 but i have the tripple play phone, tv internet so i get the bundle price Jul 30 17:13:15 stupid phone isnt getting internet service now Jul 30 17:13:17 mikedg: got your old phone? Jul 30 17:13:18 otherwise it is more Jul 30 17:13:21 for just the internet Jul 30 17:13:26 ohh fuuck Jul 30 17:13:27 anyway have to get back to work :) Jul 30 17:13:32 you have fun :) Jul 30 17:13:38 my triple bill is like $180/mo Jul 30 17:13:39 so i cant even log into my palm profile Jul 30 17:13:41 mikedg: activate your old phone... Jul 30 17:13:44 and use the phone Jul 30 17:13:47 then when you go on sprints site Jul 30 17:13:53 there will be a way to get your msl Jul 30 17:13:59 so that you can re-activate the pre Jul 30 17:13:59 i dont have an old phone :( Jul 30 17:14:03 for this Jul 30 17:14:12 PuffTheMagic: where do you get your MSL? Jul 30 17:14:13 then call sprint and tell them to give you your msl Jul 30 17:14:20 sprint will give it to you Jul 30 17:14:25 thats how i've always gotten mine Jul 30 17:14:29 by calling sprint Jul 30 17:14:30 puff: then what do i do with it? Jul 30 17:14:40 ##[MSL]# Jul 30 17:14:43 mikedg: you were the one that said you needed it Jul 30 17:14:48 aYellowBanana: Move to Utah and get Utopia: 50mbit up/down $50/mo Jul 30 17:14:54 oh shit, gotta close this IRC window to install FF. brb guys :) Jul 30 17:14:56 why would you say you need it with out knowing what to do with it Jul 30 17:14:59 sam1am, are you fucking serious? Jul 30 17:15:04 someone here said you needed it if you ran doctor, then couldnt get internet Jul 30 17:15:04 Greatest thing I've ever experienced Jul 30 17:15:11 why DON'T THEY HAVE THAT IN CHICAGO????? Jul 30 17:15:17 THIS IS BLASPHEMY Jul 30 17:15:20 They don't have that anywhere Jul 30 17:15:25 Even fios isn't that good Jul 30 17:15:46 but you just.... Jul 30 17:15:47 ... Jul 30 17:15:49 :-/ Jul 30 17:16:06 accidentally the whole thing ? Jul 30 17:16:10 precisely Jul 30 17:16:19 brb gais, installing newest FF Jul 30 17:17:18 yeah. I'm pissed off now Jul 30 17:17:25 PB still is malfunctioning for me Jul 30 17:17:28 * aYellowBanana facepalms Jul 30 17:17:38 * A2NY lafs Jul 30 17:17:45 God help me if I have to switch to IE Jul 30 17:17:53 i use google chrome Jul 30 17:17:55 I think it's time to Safari Jul 30 17:18:04 safari 4 is pretty good actually Jul 30 17:18:11 the newest is amazing Jul 30 17:18:14 I love their homepage feature Jul 30 17:18:17 so sexy Jul 30 17:18:20 and the speed is INSANE Jul 30 17:18:35 and I can't even imagine it on a sixty four bit OS X sytem Jul 30 17:18:54 I've never had any luck with a hackintosh or virtualizing it >_> Jul 30 17:19:45 chrome still uses less mem than safari Jul 30 17:20:08 but, I'll tell you the reason I don't use it Jul 30 17:20:18 firefox add-ins ? Jul 30 17:20:24 chrome sends every keystroke in the URL bar with or without pressing the return button Jul 30 17:20:42 I truthfully think google has enough user mined data, I don't want to give even more Jul 30 17:20:46 they really piss me off with that Jul 30 17:21:13 safari looks so odd on windows though Jul 30 17:21:26 its decent Jul 30 17:21:27 eh. newest looks okay to me ^.^ Jul 30 17:21:32 displays some web pages odd though Jul 30 17:22:00 A2NY, that's why I switched back to FF :( Jul 30 17:22:17 but supposedly they have the best rendering engine Jul 30 17:22:25 it passed all the certifications perfectly, etc Jul 30 17:22:32 fastest render speed, etc Jul 30 17:22:55 I would still be using Safari if I didn't reformat my PC lately Jul 30 17:23:04 brb gais Jul 30 17:23:13 * aYellowBanana ;; afk for a couple minutes Jul 30 17:23:53 ok so im on the wiki trying to install optware Jul 30 17:24:28 i have the SDK and everything installed but how do i access the pre with a terminal to follow this guide which is telling me to cd /tmp and wget Jul 30 17:24:37 bzhou * r10512 optware/trunk/make/irssi.mk: irssi: clean irssi-dev directories Jul 30 17:26:11 Just a suggestion. Step number 4 states "if you are on mac or linux" and then indented bullets under step 4 indicates that those are additional items for "mac or linux" Jul 30 17:26:48 Lazy skim readers like me running on windows at the moment, will skip over the bullets... now I notice them I can continue Jul 30 17:30:44 what's going on with irssi, is that related to this channel? Jul 30 17:30:56 the optware package I mean Jul 30 17:31:15 aYellowBanana: try arora if your on ubuntu, it's really nice Jul 30 17:32:48 does anyone know how i can save to sdk/bin on vista when it says i dont have privledges(sp) Jul 30 17:33:26 ericg you have to run the command window as administrator Jul 30 17:33:41 ericg I re-structured the explananiotn, does it make more sense now? Jul 30 17:34:12 Rick_: have you been hacking on terminal/termplugin at all Jul 30 17:34:32 Rick_: i got multiple cards working, and i get some events working, but the return/enter key is not Jul 30 17:34:36 cant seem to figure it out Jul 30 17:35:22 PuffTheMagic no, sorry Jul 30 17:35:26 yes Rick, much better... thanks! Jul 30 17:35:28 ok no biggie Jul 30 17:35:46 Rick_: i will wait for destinal or mrvc to wake up ;) Jul 30 17:35:46 Rick_ Jul 30 17:36:02 PuffTheMagic: here Jul 30 17:36:16 destinal-zzzz: check out the master-rewrite branch Jul 30 17:36:17 speak of the devil Jul 30 17:36:26 destinal-zzzz: i got cards working Jul 30 17:36:31 awesome Jul 30 17:36:38 if you click on the terminal icon in the launches Jul 30 17:36:43 i cant get it working from the menu yet Jul 30 17:36:48 * destinal is packing for defcon but that sounds very cool Jul 30 17:36:50 im not understanding something Jul 30 17:37:08 destinal: but i cant get the enter key working Jul 30 17:37:32 btw, awesome job with everything guys! Jul 30 17:38:10 PuffTheMagic: did you base your stuff on the latest mojo app? Jul 30 17:38:24 destinal: what do you mean? Jul 30 17:38:42 destinal: i am using lightweight stages, and sources.json and app-assistant.js Jul 30 17:38:42 PuffTheMagic: we changed key handling a couple days ago, everything is going through a focused window getting key events and enter is still handled through javascript Jul 30 17:38:46 if thats what you are asking Jul 30 17:38:50 but I think it's a different function call than it used to Jul 30 17:38:55 old versions have enter key breakage Jul 30 17:38:59 with new plugins Jul 30 17:39:02 destinal: i pulled this morning Jul 30 17:39:06 and created a new branch based on that Jul 30 17:39:12 hmm Jul 30 17:39:22 maybe the javascript call to the embed is not working then Jul 30 17:39:31 since that's the only key that needs one Jul 30 17:39:57 can you explain this a little? Jul 30 17:40:14 i saw a comment about keycode 13 Jul 30 17:40:17 and the enter key Jul 30 17:40:20 we used to capture all key events inside mojo and pass them to the embed with javascript calls Jul 30 17:40:22 and something about not being able to catch it Jul 30 17:40:24 every key Jul 30 17:41:03 then mrvc figured out that we don't need to, that with the embed object focused, we get them as proper key events from luna Jul 30 17:41:17 except the enter key was NEVER coming through Jul 30 17:41:30 so he had to use the same catch in mojo, pass with javascript, technique for enter key Jul 30 17:42:07 im not seeing how that was accomplished in the old code Jul 30 17:42:20 im gonna release a new ver of quickcut Jul 30 17:43:03 hey yall Jul 30 17:44:40 i wonder if i can get a new pre by swinging by a sprint store with my problem phone Jul 30 17:44:40 hrmmm Jul 30 17:44:45 PuffTheMagic: look for onKeyUp, onKeyPress Jul 30 17:44:53 i see them Jul 30 17:44:55 would be nince to replace the side of the phone Jul 30 17:44:58 they look the same for the most part Jul 30 17:44:59 notice they call termplugin.SendKeyUp Jul 30 17:45:06 etc Jul 30 17:45:13 which is a function of the plugin object Jul 30 17:45:23 ie it's exposed in the c++ code Jul 30 17:45:33 they dont all call .SendKeyUp Jul 30 17:45:46 ? Jul 30 17:46:04 onKeyUp calls termplugin.sendKey Jul 30 17:46:11 onKeyPress calls termpluging.sendKeypress Jul 30 17:46:13 right Jul 30 17:46:23 and onKeyDOwn calls termplugin.sendEnter() Jul 30 17:46:45 right, if 13 Jul 30 17:46:49 which is enter key code Jul 30 17:46:51 and thanks hopspitfire for adding to the show batt 1.1.0 patch Jul 30 17:47:06 the other stuff may be outdated Jul 30 17:47:15 only sendEnter is required I think' Jul 30 17:47:22 if keycode = 13 Jul 30 17:47:41 for the rest luna sends key codes directly to the plugin Jul 30 17:47:45 when its focused Jul 30 17:48:07 right Jul 30 17:48:17 and i have termplugin focused Jul 30 17:48:26 cause i can type into it without tapping on it Jul 30 17:49:47 so maybe the onkeydown isn't happening anymore Jul 30 17:49:51 in the mojo Jul 30 17:49:59 something like that Jul 30 17:50:05 check to make sure it didn't get broken with your changes Jul 30 17:51:13 how can i test that Jul 30 17:51:21 keyDown only send enter Jul 30 17:51:34 which isnt working Jul 30 17:51:43 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jul 30 17:51:45 i see why Jul 30 17:51:48 :/ Jul 30 17:51:51 im retarded Jul 30 17:53:42 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1788855#post1788855 new version of quick cut Jul 30 17:53:45 with a restart shortcut! Jul 30 17:54:00 well i thought i knew what the issue was Jul 30 18:03:00 hi Jul 30 18:03:13 hi Jul 30 18:03:39 how's everyone doing today? Jul 30 18:04:13 we're here. Jul 30 18:04:24 good day to you! Jul 30 18:04:29 but I am off to relax. Jul 30 18:04:38 have a great productive day everyone Jul 30 18:05:08 Is there a method/tutorial to install apps onto the pre without being in developer mode (I've accessed linux). Or do we still require the dev mode / prebrew method? Jul 30 18:05:37 ericg there is no technique to install apps without being in developer mode. Jul 30 18:05:44 Well that's awesome.. webos-terminal is stable enough to ssh home and run irssi. <3 Jul 30 18:05:47 until "over the air" install is developed. Jul 30 18:06:00 i thought there was an app that installed them on your pre without dev mode? Jul 30 18:06:21 over usb? Jul 30 18:06:31 if you don't turn dev mode on, novacomm doesn't work. Jul 30 18:06:44 no Jul 30 18:06:47 on the device itself Jul 30 18:06:50 ahhh Jul 30 18:07:24 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194825-filecoaster-first-pre-gui-downloader-installer.html Jul 30 18:07:39 Could I sftp the package onto the pre and use a command line ipk-get install or something similar? Jul 30 18:07:56 ericg -- how you gonna do that without being in dev mode? Jul 30 18:08:30 and what's the PROBLEM with it.... I've left my pre in dev mode for a month now. Jul 30 18:08:52 but filecoaster will do it. Jul 30 18:08:57 I just forgot for a moment. Jul 30 18:08:58 fuck ive left my pre in r/w mode for a while Jul 30 18:09:04 sorry for the noob questions. So the package install doesn't work out of dev mode? Is there anything dev mode prohibits me from doing? Jul 30 18:09:12 no Jul 30 18:09:13 i don't leave my pre in dev mode or rw Jul 30 18:09:18 i just use a debian chroot Jul 30 18:09:24 it just turns ON the ability to novaterm into thepre. Jul 30 18:09:26 ssh over wifi is fast enough. Jul 30 18:09:28 that's all it does Jul 30 18:09:44 i use the term mostly for ifconfig Jul 30 18:09:53 and to ssh when i'm mobile Jul 30 18:10:05 so installing packages require novaterm? Jul 30 18:10:11 no Jul 30 18:10:24 you can ipkg-opt (or apt-get install from a debian chroot) via ssh from the pre Jul 30 18:10:31 er ssh to the pre. Jul 30 18:10:57 destinal: if you have a second could you go into your org.webosinternals.terminal directory and type "rm -rf *; git reset --hard; git checkout -b master-rewrite origin/master-rewrite" and see what I am missing Jul 30 18:11:13 destinal: if not i will wait for mrvc to pick his brain Jul 30 18:11:24 is there a new terminal release? Jul 30 18:11:49 that's what i was originally asking, i can ssh into the pre and just ipkg-opt install a package from my pre only or over the network from my pc? Jul 30 18:14:06 czarphanguye: do you get color with irssi? Jul 30 18:14:18 maybe my TERM variable needs to be set to something else Jul 30 18:14:34 tlp: you need to fix your profile Jul 30 18:14:42 i need to do some tweaks to get colored bash prompt Jul 30 18:15:50 TERM=linux fixed it Jul 30 18:16:16 tlp: yeah color was working Jul 30 18:16:32 at least when using ls -lah Jul 30 18:20:07 Wow that shortcut app is sweet! Jul 30 18:20:28 anyone have experience with putty, having trouble ssh'ing into my pre Jul 30 18:20:56 are you using port 222? Jul 30 18:21:01 yes Jul 30 18:21:16 via usb or wifi Jul 30 18:21:22 wifi Jul 30 18:21:29 czarphanguye: does irssi look completely normal, or are there any glitches? My cursor looks weird. Jul 30 18:21:36 have you verified you can see your pre? Jul 30 18:21:40 ie ping Jul 30 18:21:53 nope, one moment Jul 30 18:22:37 tlp: it works, but does have some redraw issues if you flip to landscape and back. the cursor area is pretty messed up too, but you can still type Jul 30 18:22:59 yep Jul 30 18:23:06 on my pre now Jul 30 18:23:11 tlp: nice Jul 30 18:23:22 this is still exciting Jul 30 18:24:36 meh i was using my public ip, rather than local network Jul 30 18:24:55 BitchX doesn't work on the Terminal app Jul 30 18:25:18 tlp: what else are you using term for? irssi was about all I couldn't think off. That and rtorrent ;-) Jul 30 18:25:27 bitchx doesn't work. Jul 30 18:25:37 you can put the period right there ^ Jul 30 18:25:41 there ya go ericg usually we do silly mistakes Jul 30 18:26:13 yep lol thanks for the help Jul 30 18:26:15 czarphanguye: that's it so far. Just sshing into my home system and reattaching to screen Jul 30 18:26:59 is there an ssh app for the pre yet? Jul 30 18:27:05 it's pretty cool to see a full-blown Linux system underneath the shiny webOS interface. They even use pulseaudio! Jul 30 18:27:14 joesmith: sorta. You can use the Terminal + commandline ssh client. Jul 30 18:27:22 sshing from the pre to remote? Jul 30 18:27:25 yes Jul 30 18:27:30 tlp: how's screen working? I wasn't sure I'd be able to detach or move around without Ctrl Jul 30 18:27:38 i have control Jul 30 18:27:42 czarphanguye: haven't tried much yet. Jul 30 18:27:44 sym+button Jul 30 18:27:57 sym-A is C-a in screen Jul 30 18:28:04 sym-i does TAB Jul 30 18:28:16 any way to change the green text to grey? Jul 30 18:28:22 tlp are you tellling me I can ssh over evdo to my firewall and log in? Jul 30 18:28:24 bougyman: thanks Jul 30 18:28:25 blasphemous Jul 30 18:28:28 blasphemous1 Jul 30 18:28:33 i love the green! Jul 30 18:28:34 joesmith: yep Jul 30 18:28:43 hehe, I don't dig it :) Jul 30 18:28:50 is there a thread that explains it a bit better? Jul 30 18:28:53 tlp: configurable soon :) Jul 30 18:28:57 green or amber are the only proper terminal colors Jul 30 18:29:03 Jul 30 18:29:50 destinal: thanks for working on this (and any others); I've been patiently waiting for a webOS terminal. Just got a Pre, but I've been following the dev stuff since launch. Jul 30 18:30:03 bougyman: I'd pref a color like #cccccc myself Jul 30 18:30:56 destinal: awesome ;-) Jul 30 18:31:25 I hope Palm or someone comes out with a battery upgrade Jul 30 18:31:39 they have extended batteries Jul 30 18:32:17 tlp is there anywhere that metions or demonstrates ssh from the pre? Jul 30 18:32:22 4.5 hours and I'm down to 62% from 100 Jul 30 18:32:37 tlp: sounds about right Jul 30 18:32:49 joesmith: Have you ever sshed into a system via the Linux command line? Jul 30 18:32:54 joesmith: what do you mean? Jul 30 18:32:55 yep Jul 30 18:33:04 you just fire up the terminal and type 'ssh -p PORT user@host' Jul 30 18:33:33 I ddint know that worked on the pre, I havent installed terminal yet Jul 30 18:33:35 ty Jul 30 18:34:05 They have a script on the wiki that sets it all up for you. Jul 30 18:34:13 joesmith: the Pre is a linux host that happens to be hand-held and have a phone application... connecting to another host via ssh is the same as from any other linux host. Jul 30 18:34:21 destinal: onkeydown isn't happening in c++ anymore Jul 30 18:34:22 any know if there is a way to use .pdb ereader files on the Pre? Jul 30 18:34:38 terminal works for most things, except for installing stuff via ipkg-opt, i tried installing irssi on the pre from the pre via the terminal app, but it wouldnt let me Jul 30 18:34:44 djk not yet Jul 30 18:34:45 and it works, over evdo right securely? Jul 30 18:34:49 I'm working on that djk Jul 30 18:34:55 in my "ample spare time" Jul 30 18:35:08 gkatsev: also tried installing irssi on the pre. didn't go to well Jul 30 18:35:15 Rick_: Of which you have lots of ;-) Jul 30 18:35:26 I'd rather have a webOS IRC client if I were IRCing directly from the Pre Jul 30 18:35:27 joesmith: as securele as ssh... the encryption is apllication based Jul 30 18:35:36 maybe I'll give a stab at that if no one else beats me to it. Jul 30 18:35:37 oh yeah. I just sit around all day chattig on irc. Jul 30 18:35:40 destinal: i merged it into master so you and mrvc dont miss it Jul 30 18:36:08 well, also, evdo is essentially behind a giant nat router, so, thats a bit of security, but not much because other evdo users are on the same network Jul 30 18:38:05 * joesmith gets exahusted reading all the cool things the pre can do, and keeping up on the news, hombrew and hacks Jul 30 18:39:03 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1788855#post1788855 Jul 30 18:39:09 joe dont miss quick cut Jul 30 18:39:39 I just installed it :) Jul 30 18:39:49 where are the icons stored? Jul 30 18:39:54 whats the favorite terminal on the pre? Jul 30 18:40:16 they are all stored on the phone already, i just point to the existing ones Jul 30 18:40:23 none except the Q are included Jul 30 18:40:27 ohhhh Jul 30 18:40:34 im working on adding contact icons now though Jul 30 18:40:40 sweet Jul 30 18:40:53 been waiting for this Jul 30 18:41:00 i'm just having a hard time coming up with a generic framework for it Jul 30 18:41:24 what are we talking about? Jul 30 18:41:33 dg quick cut for web os Jul 30 18:41:39 I saw awhile ago, someone made one of these for the app catalog to buy, but I think yours is the shit Jul 30 18:42:29 I was really disappointed by thsi not being a feature on day one Jul 30 18:42:49 what specifically? Jul 30 18:42:55 alright I'm going to go hook up my ubuntu box, bbl Jul 30 18:43:11 @ericg I think there is only one terminal for the pre atm Jul 30 18:43:33 the shorcut for dialing contacts Jul 30 18:44:07 it saves me about 4 seconds, which isnt much but it just annoyed me dialing Jul 30 18:44:24 because the speed dial blows I can dial faster then it Jul 30 18:44:50 is that the dfb terminal emulator? Jul 30 18:45:31 bougyman: thanks for the tips. installed screen onto the pre and now I can close the term-app and reopen and just screen -raAd. Jul 30 18:49:10 how excatly does screen work on the pre? Jul 30 18:50:00 is the terminal reliant on webos internals? Jul 30 18:51:10 yea Jul 30 18:52:22 2600mAh battery looks interesting. 1350 doesn't seem worth it. Jul 30 18:52:37 i concur Jul 30 18:52:42 is the 2600mAh battery the same size? Jul 30 18:52:42 1350 is like spooning water out of the ocean ;) Jul 30 18:52:48 summatusmentis, no Jul 30 18:52:49 summatusmentis: nope. Jul 30 18:52:54 I see Jul 30 18:52:56 and it doesn't work with the Touchstone Jul 30 18:53:01 adds 1/8th an inch of size to your phone Jul 30 18:53:46 bzhou * r10513 optware/trunk/make/py-django.mk: py-django: 1.0.2 -> 1.1, py2[45] -> py2[56] Jul 30 18:54:31 oh, that battery cover is much nicer than the larger battery size on the centro Jul 30 18:55:10 i just keep a touchstone at my location. Jul 30 18:58:01 though i really wish I could rely on it to get 24hrs. Jul 30 18:58:27 is there a batter that works with the touchstone that does any better? Jul 30 18:58:52 I was wondering the same thing Jul 30 18:58:56 look like palm is pushing a new update? anyone test it? Jul 30 18:58:58 the 1350 might Jul 30 18:59:24 have you dont the tips to conserve battery life Jul 30 18:59:44 I think the reason the 2600 doesn't work with Touchstone is because the custom back cover won't fit. Jul 30 19:02:10 correct Jul 30 19:02:11 right Jul 30 19:02:17 i might try to cannibalize the back cover Jul 30 19:02:22 im gonna do some testing next week Jul 30 19:02:49 tlp: you bought a pre after we released Terminal, ie _because_ it was available? Jul 30 19:04:15 destinal: There were a whole lot of factors that lead up to it. Seeing that on PreCentral added to my excitement :p Jul 30 19:04:59 cool. well the fact that we were able to be an added factor in getting one makes my day, you have no idea :) Jul 30 19:07:49 It's a super cool phone. I was scared away by the QA reports for a while, but decided to take the chance with TEP and the warranty. Jul 30 19:08:03 yeah same here Jul 30 19:08:22 how long have you had yours? Jul 30 19:19:15 Zuchmir2 the update is to apnews, spaz and where on my phone. Jul 30 19:19:19 No central apps. Jul 30 19:19:25 Spaz sucks Jul 30 19:19:35 this is the first PUSHED appstore app I've seen. Jul 30 19:19:41 hahahaha funkatron. Jul 30 19:19:44 ;;;;;;;;) Jul 30 19:19:51 ooh, sorry, only meant one ; Jul 30 19:19:59 bluetooth keyboard freaked Jul 30 19:20:18 bt keyboard to PRE!?!? Jul 30 19:20:20 cool. Jul 30 19:20:29 no no, on my mac 8D Jul 30 19:20:35 ahhhh Jul 30 19:22:02 webos-terminal request; run command on launch & auto log-in. Jul 30 19:22:40 the login requirement was added for security reasons Jul 30 19:24:47 czarphanguye -- short response... "no". Jul 30 19:25:47 Rick_: lolz Jul 30 19:34:50 czarphanguye the reason is, browser plugins are open to ANY scene in any app. Jul 30 19:35:39 So, an evil app could open terminal in a 1x1 px stage, send commands to the auto-logged in terminal, grab your privacy info, do whatever it wanted, turn your pre into a spam server, whtever, and you would never know. Jul 30 19:35:45 So, the login requirement. :-) Jul 30 19:40:51 Rick_: actually I think we've fixed that Jul 30 19:41:08 Rick_: so the login prompt should be able to go away once we've confirmed Jul 30 19:41:40 basically we don't accept anything except the enter key via javascript anymore and I don't think luna key events can be faked by an app Jul 30 19:41:54 a malicious app can hit enter all day long, I'm not too worried :) Jul 30 19:42:24 but in the old mechanism that was true Jul 30 19:42:38 which is why we exec /bin/login now Jul 30 19:43:00 anyway have fun, plane to catch Jul 30 19:44:43 hey, I put up a really short survey on pricing for Spaz. It would be cool folks had a minute to fill it out. Thanks! http://short.ie/spazpresurvey Jul 30 19:53:50 hey destinal, where are you guys getting armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ from? it's the softfloat bit that i'm confused about Jul 30 19:54:09 dunno if it's safe to keep using my armv7a-none-... but I guess I might as well try Jul 30 19:58:03 haaay Jul 30 19:58:30 heey :) Jul 30 20:01:04 hiii guys. Jul 30 20:07:11 lol @ apple fanboii trolls http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/28/the-palm-preiphone-multitasking-myth/ Jul 30 20:07:43 seriously the trolls are being really funny, if you have a moment read it and rofl Jul 30 20:08:09 rd is usually good, but definately pro-Apple Jul 30 20:08:58 this article seems very pro apple Jul 30 20:11:30 I wish people would just give the pre "multitasking" and praise the iphone for things it actually can do better Jul 30 20:13:43 lol Jul 30 20:13:47 saw that on engadget joe? Jul 30 20:13:54 yep Jul 30 20:14:11 i think people like that are hilarious. Jul 30 20:14:20 the iphone is good for one thing.. speed. Jul 30 20:14:24 to be quite frank, how many people actually try and use data and voice at the time? Jul 30 20:14:37 I would like that >_. Jul 30 20:14:40 >_> Jul 30 20:14:41 never tried myself, and would never need to. Jul 30 20:14:55 aYellowBanana: you would? how would you use it? Jul 30 20:15:11 hmm looks like the update put NASCAR back on my screen :-( Jul 30 20:15:11 summatusmentis, I don't have a clue. I just wunt. Jul 30 20:15:51 is Verizon CDMA? Jul 30 20:15:58 GSM Jul 30 20:16:16 really? our last phones didn't have SIMs... Jul 30 20:16:20 :-/ Jul 30 20:16:30 uhhh I may be wrong Jul 30 20:16:41 but I am sure most have sim cards Jul 30 20:16:43 verizon is cdma like spint Jul 30 20:16:51 oh never mind Jul 30 20:16:53 lol Jul 30 20:17:01 then its att tmobile and cingular that are gsm Jul 30 20:17:01 maybe you could switch to speaker phone and fire up a browser to look up something Jul 30 20:17:17 tlp: perhaps, I don't ever use speaker phone Jul 30 20:17:25 Cingular doesn't exist anymore, AT&T bought it out Jul 30 20:17:45 oh, and did you guys hear about the iPhone SMS exploit? I really want to see a video on that.... Jul 30 20:17:51 they have been the same compay changing names for a while Jul 30 20:17:56 I use the web and talk at the same time I have no idea what the mean I? Jul 30 20:18:03 that article Jul 30 20:18:05 joesmith: really? Jul 30 20:18:30 yeah I just used google and was talking to my mom Jul 30 20:18:36 I will try it again Jul 30 20:19:25 you probably had wifi enabled Jul 30 20:19:27 aYellowBanana: stk? Jul 30 20:19:38 tmzt, wut? Jul 30 20:19:43 sim toolkit Jul 30 20:20:13 I'm not familiar with it Jul 30 20:20:14 :( Jul 30 20:20:56 oh, and I wonder, without Palm's novaterm, I wonder if SSH would ever have been gotten on the Pre.... Jul 30 20:21:15 the Pre was rooted before novaterm was released Jul 30 20:21:24 ooh, through the developer console right? Jul 30 20:21:35 how did that work again? Jul 30 20:21:37 dunno the details Jul 30 20:21:44 lol I guess the only time I have done it when I was on wifi Jul 30 20:24:22 what if you don't have a tool like that? how would you root a phone out of the box? Jul 30 20:24:24 hmm... Jul 30 20:24:37 you make a tool Jul 30 20:24:39 lol Jul 30 20:25:40 oh, sure, easy cake! Jul 30 20:25:41 >_> Jul 30 20:32:33 aYellowBanana -- they didn't HAVE novaterm when they got in the first time. Jul 30 20:32:47 how'd they get in? Jul 30 20:32:48 dev console? Jul 30 20:32:51 is that actually a console? Jul 30 20:32:56 haha. I've never looked into that Jul 30 20:33:13 no it isn't Jul 30 20:33:26 PuffTheMagic: the current HEAD is completely broken, can't get "enter" t work Jul 30 20:33:36 * joesmith cant wait to get his google voice number Jul 30 20:33:50 Zuchmir2: yeah i know Jul 30 20:33:55 i cant figure that out Jul 30 20:34:07 * aYellowBanana smirks at joesmith Jul 30 20:34:10 was waiting for mrvr to help me figure it out Jul 30 20:34:11 it's nothing great Jul 30 20:34:17 Zuchmir2: or if you can that would be great Jul 30 20:34:20 I got it for the SIP, free calls all around, but Google took a shit on that Jul 30 20:34:28 no more SIP connectivity, even to Gizmo. don't bother joe Jul 30 20:34:49 SIP? Jul 30 20:35:01 oh. Jul 30 20:35:11 nevermind. most ppl get the number to try to exploit it Jul 30 20:35:37 PuffTheMagic: gonna look at some output, see what's doing ender the hood.... Jul 30 20:35:48 are you suggesting I want to exploit it? Jul 30 20:36:00 that would be the great thing to do, yes Jul 30 20:36:07 why do you want it? haha Jul 30 20:36:21 u using: sendKeyUp? Jul 30 20:36:44 I just want a number I can give people who I dont know to well, and I dont want them to have my cell or home Jul 30 20:36:59 aha. yes, that makes sense then Jul 30 20:37:01 and I wont ever have to change it when I get new numbers Jul 30 20:37:01 perhaps he wantsit for the actual purpose for which it was designed? To cluster his various phone numbers into one, to get voicemail transcripting, and cheap calls. Etc etc etc. Jul 30 20:37:01 hahaha Jul 30 20:37:21 I would give you an invite, but I don't think I can Jul 30 20:37:22 thats right rick Jul 30 20:37:28 no 'invite' options Jul 30 20:37:47 I think it would make an excellent bussiness tool for me Jul 30 20:38:08 I know a guy that knows someone at google, so I might be able to get you an invite Jul 30 20:38:16 I will get one soon Jul 30 20:38:16 I'll see what I can do Jul 30 20:38:20 I just have to wait Jul 30 20:38:22 oh? nice. how? Jul 30 20:38:30 I SIGNED UP? Jul 30 20:38:36 hahaha. yeah. Jul 30 20:38:40 you're not getting it Jul 30 20:38:46 I dont know anyone who hasnt gottent it Jul 30 20:38:57 they all got thiers in about 1-2 weeks Jul 30 20:39:00 actually, everyone that has tried didn't get it Jul 30 20:39:04 all that I know Jul 30 20:39:06 hehe Jul 30 20:39:29 Google Voice is awesome Jul 30 20:39:40 Idk I know 4 people who got thiers in the last month locally Jul 30 20:39:49 maybe its by region Jul 30 20:40:51 yeah, GVoice is great Jul 30 20:41:25 you just said no more SIP connectivity, even to Gizmo. don't bother joe Jul 30 20:41:30 Zuchmir2: but did you see multiple cards work :D Jul 30 20:41:37 they even transcribe your voicemail and email it to you Jul 30 20:41:41 PuffTheMagic: ... last week, the c++ was handling sendKeyDown() Jul 30 20:41:59 Zuchmir2: what do you mean? Jul 30 20:42:07 joesmith, I thought that was what you wanted, but I see you have different uses for it Jul 30 20:42:58 new session: no, i don'r see it ... Exception caught in V8Proxy::CallFunction (0) (Uncaught ReferenceError: _newSession is not defined) Jul 30 20:43:12 Zuchmir2: the menu does not work Jul 30 20:43:15 yet Jul 30 20:43:21 but if u go to the launcher Jul 30 20:43:24 and open a new term Jul 30 20:43:26 you can Jul 30 20:43:30 I suppose with SIP support the calls would technically be free? Jul 30 20:43:50 oh, open multi instances? Jul 30 20:43:54 joesmith, in the US, yes Jul 30 20:43:54 yeah Jul 30 20:44:00 Zuchmir2: i was last working on the menu Jul 30 20:44:09 i keep forgetting to start luna in foreground Jul 30 20:44:18 yeah, cool, now if i can type in them... :-) Jul 30 20:44:45 u took out the prefs (which *was* working) from the menu Jul 30 20:45:34 its in the old directory Jul 30 20:45:39 its not gone Jul 30 20:45:50 i just didnt convert it to the new style yet Jul 30 20:45:57 u are calling, this.termplugin.sendKeyUp(event.keyCode); and this.termplugin.sendKeyPress(event.charCode);, but the sendKeyDown() is where all the stuff was happening before mrvc changed it earlier this week Jul 30 20:46:01 i was trying to figure out this lack of enter Jul 30 20:46:07 oh, ok Jul 30 20:47:17 i will look at some old commits Jul 30 20:49:33 Zuchmir2: i just fixed the menu Jul 30 20:49:38 you can start new cards that way now Jul 30 20:50:24 Zuchmir2: git pull Jul 30 20:50:25 :D Jul 30 20:52:26 PuffTheMagic: use sendKeyPress(key_code), and i'll commit a fix that will handle that (hopefully) Jul 30 20:52:49 in termplugin? Jul 30 20:54:05 Zuchmir2: im not following Jul 30 20:54:07 SessionAssistant.prototype._onKeyPressEvent = function(event) { Jul 30 20:54:07 Jul 30 20:54:07 this.termplugin.sendKeyPress(event.charCode); Jul 30 20:54:07 Jul 30 20:54:07 } Jul 30 20:54:22 i already send onKeyPress Jul 30 20:55:23 ... i mean sendKeyDown Jul 30 20:56:12 this.termplugin.sendKeyDown(event.keyCode); Jul 30 20:56:16 hows that Jul 30 20:57:38 pushed Jul 30 20:58:00 PuffTheMagic, you should make a little write up about this and the problem, and put it on PB for everyone to see and try to work out :) Jul 30 20:58:16 PB? Jul 30 20:58:23 pastebin Jul 30 20:58:24 its on git for everyone to work out Jul 30 20:58:26 ah Jul 30 20:58:35 ah, ok Jul 30 20:58:41 * aYellowBanana afk for a minute Jul 30 21:03:03 PuffTheMagic: just uploaded the fix, try it and lets see Jul 30 21:08:36 hmm, don't see the enter coming in there Jul 30 21:08:54 either do i Jul 30 21:08:57 and i see another error Jul 30 21:09:15 it says has no method sendKeyUp Jul 30 21:09:28 what exactly are the key events that you are listening to? Jul 30 21:09:29 * aYellowBanana wishes he knew what in the fuck they were talking about Jul 30 21:09:48 so the term works in emu just not rec the keys from pre ? Jul 30 21:10:36 Zuchmir2: ok so you are only listening to the keydown even i see Jul 30 21:11:25 Hello everyone Jul 30 21:11:45 looks like SessionAssistant.prototype._onKeyDownEvent() doesn't get called with enter Jul 30 21:12:45 ouch Jul 30 21:13:09 enter is probably only a key press Jul 30 21:13:33 i have an idea Jul 30 21:14:41 ... actually, NONE of the three functions are called w/enter Jul 30 21:16:04 not keypress? Jul 30 21:17:27 keypress is SUPPOSED to fire on enter. Jul 30 21:17:38 i recall mrvc saying the enter was treated differently Jul 30 21:18:31 this is what i see when i press enter: http://pastebin.com/d5fe89594 Jul 30 21:19:24 Isn't there a keyboard slider counter on the Pre somewhere? Jul 30 21:19:49 yes Jul 30 21:20:22 accessible via webOS or is it somewhere on the filesystem? Jul 30 21:20:35 webOS Jul 30 21:20:43 ah Jul 30 21:20:43 its encrypted value in the file system Jul 30 21:21:52 PuffTheMagic: ... also the 2nd card is not identical to 1st Jul 30 21:22:24 they shouldnt be clones Jul 30 21:22:29 they are seperate sessions Jul 30 21:23:13 id help work on this but enter works in emu =\ Jul 30 21:23:19 A2NY|pre: where can I find the thing? It's not in Device Info Jul 30 21:23:28 yes it is Jul 30 21:23:37 go to more info or whatever Jul 30 21:23:49 and before you run the tests it will tell you Jul 30 21:24:49 ah Jul 30 21:24:52 thanks Jul 30 21:25:11 blah, my pre has been hanging a lot (requiring battery removal) since installing the latest termplugin and terminal... anyone else get that? Jul 30 21:25:33 nope Jul 30 21:25:42 latest from git, that is Jul 30 21:25:43 hmm Jul 30 21:25:46 well by latest term plugin, how late, last I updated was from yesterday Jul 30 21:25:55 couple hours ago Jul 30 21:25:58 Zuchmir2: i just commented out all the events on the javascript side Jul 30 21:25:58 'k I"m out of this discussion then ;) Jul 30 21:26:12 and the plugin was still reacting to keypresses Jul 30 21:26:17 also, enter key no longer works, prefs screen is gone, and "new session" doesn't work Jul 30 21:26:17 all except enter Jul 30 21:26:23 i know understand whats going on Jul 30 21:26:29 tris: new session does work Jul 30 21:26:38 tris: pull in latest Jul 30 21:26:43 oh wait, might have messed up some perms. though i don't think that explains the hanging still Jul 30 21:26:59 tris: you i just pushed the new fix for that Jul 30 21:27:05 ah ok Jul 30 21:27:06 so if you pull 2 hours ago Jul 30 21:27:09 u dont have the fix Jul 30 21:27:14 but the enter key still dont work Jul 30 21:27:37 * thatdude is lost within this conversation. Jul 30 21:27:57 thatdude do you want an explanation? Jul 30 21:28:03 i updated for lunch so i could impress my coworkers and then ended up impressing them instead with how often i was removing the back cover ;) Jul 30 21:28:12 PuffTheMagic: mrvc had to set focus so that the enter key comes to the plugin Jul 30 21:28:13 Rick: No it's fine Jul 30 21:28:27 Zuchmir2: i also am setting focus Jul 30 21:29:05 :tris LOL Jul 30 21:29:06 i just used ctrl-m instead Jul 30 21:29:22 hmm, dunno, i don't see *any* events, not even npPalmKeyUpEvent Jul 30 21:29:32 Zuchmir2: i need to go eat dinner Jul 30 21:29:34 which the os sends for other keys Jul 30 21:29:37 i will be back working on this soon Jul 30 21:29:54 ok Jul 30 21:29:54 puffthemagic: where'd you get the compiler? i'm still on arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ Jul 30 21:32:29 ~seen destinal Jul 30 21:32:32 destinal was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 49m 32s ago, saying: 'anyway have fun, plane to catch'. Jul 30 21:32:55 raeb1 he's on his way to defcon Jul 30 21:33:30 oh you guys reverted to the old compiler Jul 30 21:33:53 tris: yeah, an a simple uncomment give u the other compiler Jul 30 21:33:54 definitely need a CIA for git :) Jul 30 21:33:55 Rick_: yeah, he wasn't at his desk today, i wondered why Jul 30 21:34:01 vegas, baby Jul 30 21:37:41 Yeah this weekend is DefCon Jul 30 21:37:56 So those darn hackers are out to Vegas Jul 30 21:38:14 so the car 12v to USB adapter on monoprice gives a full amperage, meaning it can power touchstone Jul 30 21:38:20 sounds like its time for a car touchstone fo rme Jul 30 21:38:30 raeb1: Sexy Jul 30 21:38:50 thanks paris Jul 30 21:39:01 XD Jul 30 21:39:07 yay raeb, been wondering about that myself Jul 30 21:39:15 mine would always stop charging every time i slowed down Jul 30 21:39:20 hah! Jul 30 21:39:33 yeah i tried it with the car off, and plugged it in and dmesg told me '1000mA' Jul 30 21:39:40 anyone know what controlls the software ripple effect? Jul 30 21:39:41 on the computer it only says '500mA' Jul 30 21:39:44 which is fine since i disabled the charging notification sound, but was somewhat annoying when it would interrupt pandora all the time :) Jul 30 21:39:55 mmm pandora in the car Jul 30 21:39:58 got a blue tooth stereo ? Jul 30 21:40:18 dmesg tells you that? is there any way to poke at the other battery level bits? Jul 30 21:40:34 was wanting to make a rrd graph of battery level over time Jul 30 21:40:41 yeah, def Jul 30 21:40:50 i think there is info on the battery percent level patch on the wiki Jul 30 21:41:09 don't have a bt stereo yet, just aux in. seriously considering it :) although i'm not sure pandora will work over bt? Jul 30 21:41:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Show_Actual_Battery_Percent has some info, hopspitfire should know more Jul 30 21:42:03 yeah, i got bt stereo Jul 30 21:42:05 pandora works sweet Jul 30 21:42:12 telephone inturrupts pandora Jul 30 21:42:30 even youtube app works over bt Jul 30 21:42:36 wow, ok, cool... i tried it with my bt headset and it didn't go Jul 30 21:42:36 methinks bt audio connects to pulse and not to each app Jul 30 21:42:45 ahhh Jul 30 21:42:54 bt headset probably doesn't support stereo audio, just telephony Jul 30 21:42:56 i was thinking about getting the sony drbt50 headphones too, but worried it wouldn't work Jul 30 21:42:57 yeh ? Jul 30 21:43:02 yeah, bt headphones work Jul 30 21:43:02 yeah must be Jul 30 21:43:23 i have insignia ns-bthdp, works good in both telephony and stereo mode Jul 30 21:43:35 oh, and it has play, fwd, rev buttons that WORK in pandora! Jul 30 21:43:39 oh wow Jul 30 21:43:43 (well maybe not rev) Jul 30 21:46:15 so how do i install an ipk on my pre? i can acess the root and everything but when i try preinstall or whatever it cant find it Jul 30 21:46:49 raeb1: wow, those are very inexpensive... $15 refurbished +$5 shipping Jul 30 21:47:38 anyone wanna help me figure out how to get an ipk to nstall? Jul 30 21:47:52 or point me in the right direction? Jul 30 21:48:12 tris: nice! they sound good Jul 30 21:48:36 i'm rooted and have mac 10.4 so no sdk but i shld be able to ssh right? the files on the pre but dont know how to install Jul 30 21:48:47 haroldborts, either use that ipk installer software or use novacom with palm-install or something Jul 30 21:49:02 it cant find palm install Jul 30 21:49:21 palm-install comes with the sdk Jul 30 21:49:59 dont have the sdk Jul 30 21:50:09 im on osx 10.4.11 Jul 30 21:50:51 so i had to novacom in but i can put the file on the disk and have root acess Jul 30 21:51:02 just dont knw how to install Jul 30 21:51:56 I think it's something like /var/usr/palm/applications Jul 30 21:52:07 and those are the directories with a naming scheme like com.palm. or wtvr Jul 30 21:52:07 shoot let me check if I can update my apps, last night it was not working. Jul 30 21:52:34 the ipk is just an installer for a directory like that Jul 30 21:52:59 * joesmith loves competition 2 competing homebrew means a great app :) Jul 30 21:53:54 so im in the directory in reminal applications how do i get the file there? Jul 30 21:53:58 I am unable to get the latest list when I run ipgk -o /var list Jul 30 21:55:29 haroldborts, you'll need to scp of course Jul 30 21:56:34 huh ill google it? Jul 30 21:57:54 bzhou * r10514 optware/trunk/make/mldonkey.mk: mldonkey: sed to allow ocaml 3.11.* Jul 30 21:58:48 so scp then the id and ip then file and location? Jul 30 21:59:25 um.. I guess so Jul 30 22:01:36 bzhou * r10515 optware/trunk/make/mldonkey.mk: mldonkey: removed extra * Jul 30 22:06:14 heh man gps tracking is so daring Jul 30 22:06:45 here sweety, I got you a palm pre - have fun with it. Jul 30 22:07:10 thatdude just "conveniently" forget it in her purse or car Jul 30 22:07:38 hopspitfire: I know dude, but it comes in handy for those insecure guys out there. Jul 30 22:07:54 i wonder if powersave-smartreflex is what's killing me Jul 30 22:08:27 destinal: you are late! Jul 30 22:08:31 heh Jul 30 22:08:38 at the airport waiting for my flight Jul 30 22:08:52 Defcon is near! Jul 30 22:08:56 my wifi card in my laptop is broken so I'm using my pre as a usb to wifi router Jul 30 22:09:05 neat Jul 30 22:09:47 tlp: neat is using your pre and having irssi installed. Jul 30 22:10:00 heh I could have done that but I type faster on my laptop Jul 30 22:10:06 and I needed to charge anyway Jul 30 22:10:24 destinal: No excuse :P Jul 30 22:11:13 and when I get my bluetooth keyboard working i'll have yet another way to type faster than thumb boards Jul 30 22:11:44 wish I hadn't forgotten to bring it Jul 30 22:11:56 destinal: Do they have those small keyboards which you can fold Jul 30 22:11:58 not that I don't have plenty of othe things to do of course Jul 30 22:12:09 destinal: What device had them Jul 30 22:12:20 thatdude: yeah I have one made by palm for the centro etc Jul 30 22:12:47 destinal: I would like on of those with bluetooth if it excist. Jul 30 22:12:51 with some bluez and hidd hackery it may be possible to use it on the pre, at the cost of lobotomizing the rest of the usb stack until palm services are modified to also use bluez Jul 30 22:13:08 but it doesn't work out of the box Jul 30 22:13:10 destinal: You lost me. lol. Jul 30 22:13:11 there's no HID profile Jul 30 22:13:17 so officially palm won't let you Jul 30 22:13:27 thus the hacking Jul 30 22:13:57 anyway time to catch that flight Jul 30 22:14:41 destinal: Good luck, let us know how it went. Jul 30 22:14:49 destinal: Do you have twitter? Jul 30 22:14:57 He's gone dude. Jul 30 22:14:59 anyone know where the files are kept from the usb drive so i can copy to the app folder? Jul 30 22:15:07 I just noticed Jul 30 22:15:19 I looked away and he was gone, sucks. Jul 30 22:15:33 hopspitfire: Need any help in the wiki? Jul 30 22:17:49 I can type pretty quickly on the Pre keyboard. Not was well as I could on the Rant, but pretty close. Jul 30 22:18:17 I am upset I can't get this list to work so I can reinstall the terminal. Jul 30 22:18:24 hopspitfire: lol, nice editing today. lol. Jul 30 22:18:30 I guess I will have to do it remotely. Jul 30 22:18:40 hopspitfire is just ninja! Jul 30 22:19:07 thatdude: Of course I need help with the wiki :) Jul 30 22:19:35 Templarian: haha Jul 30 22:19:52 brb Jul 30 22:23:30 sweet my invisible shield came in Jul 30 22:23:52 epyon2: Be careful with that thing. Jul 30 22:24:02 already installed Jul 30 22:24:14 epyon2: I broke my HTC Touch when I got it delivered Jul 30 22:24:28 what did you put too much spray on it? Jul 30 22:24:49 epyon2: Yeah, I was an animal. Jul 30 22:24:54 looks like my phone stopped hanging after uninstalling the powersave-smartreflex patch. whew. stay away from that one Jul 30 22:24:56 haha Jul 30 22:25:14 epyon2: Broke a $600 phone, I just took it on the phone and smashed it Jul 30 22:25:14 powersave-smart reflex? Jul 30 22:25:20 ouch Jul 30 22:25:41 epyon2: I think I was the only dude in New York with that phone Jul 30 22:25:47 epyon2: it overclocks to 600MHz but also enables voltage regulation or something (which was presumed to make the overclocking work better?) Jul 30 22:26:14 (and also saves power by lowering voltage I guess) Jul 30 22:26:18 if you can adjust the voltage you can give your cpu more power to overclock Jul 30 22:26:19 epyon2: Have you tried irrsi? Jul 30 22:26:40 for like 2 secs Jul 30 22:26:56 epyon2: Guess you did not like it if it was that quick Jul 30 22:27:11 just not a fan of irc on the pre Jul 30 22:27:12 it looks like the emulation is broken (even vt100 is broken) for me with latest termplugin, oh well... can't see anything in screen but the last line of text no matter what i do (^L, ^A l, etc) Jul 30 22:27:23 bluetooth on pre will be easy.... Jul 30 22:27:33 that is like #3 on my todo list Jul 30 22:27:45 thatdude i like doing irc on the computer more Jul 30 22:28:02 epyon2: Which I do, I though you was on your computer. Jul 30 22:28:04 thatdude granted pidgin isnt that great of a irc client but it works Jul 30 22:28:34 epyon2: Pidgin as an irc client does not work for me. Jul 30 22:29:01 deff not alot of features Jul 30 22:29:38 yeah but libpurple support irc Jul 30 22:29:45 so we could make a pre irc client Jul 30 22:29:49 using libpurple adapter Jul 30 22:29:50 maybe Jul 30 22:29:52 yeah Jul 30 22:29:58 although i am a fan of quassel Jul 30 22:30:00 irssi ftw Jul 30 22:30:08 and i was planning on writing a quassel client for the pre Jul 30 22:30:09 i would love to see a full implemntation of libpurple on the pre Jul 30 22:30:31 i just finished restoring with webos doctor, heh Jul 30 22:30:33 +PuffTheMagic: Sexy! Jul 30 22:30:38 +PuffTheMagic: That would be great. Jul 30 22:32:15 that would be cool Jul 30 22:32:22 a better gui for irc Jul 30 22:32:33 +PuffTheMagic: Let's get started :) Jul 30 22:32:54 i have hacking on terminal to do, i have to finnish the preware website, then Jul 30 22:32:59 either bluetooth or irc Jul 30 22:33:01 whats quassle written in Jul 30 22:33:02 idk yet Jul 30 22:33:09 epyon2: qt Jul 30 22:33:18 hmm Jul 30 22:33:26 quassel is client /server though Jul 30 22:33:32 so its like running irssi on screen Jul 30 22:33:36 but gui Jul 30 22:33:39 ah cool Jul 30 22:33:42 Talking about the terminal, I can't install it using ipkg due to my list not updating >_< Jul 30 22:33:50 so i was gonna write a reslful interface to the quassel server Jul 30 22:33:57 and then write a pre gui for quassel Jul 30 22:34:08 s/reslfull/restfull Jul 30 22:34:45 hmm Jul 30 22:34:49 i might look into it Jul 30 22:35:33 so essentially if i was running quassel on my comp at home Jul 30 22:35:44 i could connet from my pre to it at home Jul 30 22:35:45 you would never miss anything Jul 30 22:35:50 yeah exactly Jul 30 22:35:58 the core would keep you logged in Jul 30 22:36:06 and stores all the backbuffers and what not Jul 30 22:36:12 cool cool Jul 30 22:36:12 then you just use the gui to view it Jul 30 22:36:19 yeah its pretty slick Jul 30 22:36:23 but its qt only Jul 30 22:36:28 as of a few months ago Jul 30 22:36:42 i was gonna write a client in qt that relays the stuff over http Jul 30 22:36:47 so mobile clients could make guis Jul 30 22:37:10 I give up with ipkg -o /var update Jul 30 22:37:57 Where is the terminal code located again, anyone know from memory? Jul 30 22:38:11 So I can just install it remotely. Jul 30 22:38:34 man that remindes me i cant wait till kde gets their windows stuff working really good Jul 30 22:38:52 amarok in windows :-D Jul 30 22:40:18 ok so qt is just an extention to c++ Jul 30 22:42:24 ooo Jul 30 22:42:35 i havent used a good irc client in a long time Jul 30 22:42:41 its epyon btw Jul 30 22:42:47 checkin out quassel Jul 30 22:49:20 http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1914134 <--- Hillarious! Jul 30 22:50:26 So funny I misspelled hilarious Jul 30 22:51:57 thatdude: you dont need -o /var when you run update Jul 30 22:53:00 Oh wow! Jul 30 22:53:19 PuffTheMagic: it looks like you will have to completly rewrite the client Jul 30 22:53:28 what client? Jul 30 22:53:34 quassel Jul 30 22:53:37 no Jul 30 22:53:41 i mean... Jul 30 22:53:46 i know exactly what i need to do Jul 30 22:54:08 i need to write a new client in qt that has no gui... but exports the events over http using some ipc Jul 30 22:54:21 then anything could create a gui Jul 30 22:54:23 based on that Jul 30 22:54:27 i dont have to rewrite the core Jul 30 22:54:34 and i dont have to rewrite the existing gui Jul 30 22:54:35 oh yeah Jul 30 22:54:47 i've been pondering this for months Jul 30 22:54:47 i know you dont have to rewrite the core Jul 30 22:54:51 lol Jul 30 22:55:01 man i might start using this more Jul 30 22:55:08 is there a quassel windows client Jul 30 22:55:11 yeah Jul 30 22:55:14 sweet Jul 30 22:55:19 there is a windows and mac build Jul 30 22:55:23 now that im in here all the time Jul 30 22:55:25 its a sweet prog Jul 30 22:55:27 +PuffTheMagic: So I ran ipgk update then ipkg -o /var list and I am unable to view an update list. Jul 30 22:55:41 you dont need -o var for list either Jul 30 22:55:44 that is an install option Jul 30 22:55:55 i can run the core from termnial right? Jul 30 22:56:10 justin__: yeah if you have qt installed Jul 30 22:56:24 justin__: you can build the core with out the gui client Jul 30 22:56:28 and run it on a server Jul 30 22:56:38 then run the client on what ever desktop/laptop you want Jul 30 22:56:52 there is on cli gui yet though Jul 30 22:56:53 PuffTheMagic: i have an nix box just chillin Jul 30 22:57:14 but a cli gui would be available too once i get the http ipc working Jul 30 22:57:44 +PuffTheMagic: I get an error when I don't use the -o command. Jul 30 22:57:46 that would be cool Jul 30 22:57:56 thatdude: you shouldnt Jul 30 22:58:20 thatdude: you should be using ipkg-opt though Jul 30 22:58:47 +PuffTheMagic: But I just want to view the list of homebrew app Jul 30 22:58:53 yeah Jul 30 22:58:59 you still should be using ipkg-opt Jul 30 22:59:37 +PuffTheMagic: Now I am confuse, I am going by this post - http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194739-world-first-device-homebrew-installer.html#post1777418 Jul 30 22:59:59 thatdude: dont go quoting precentral crap here... Jul 30 23:00:08 i cant attest for anything on that site Jul 30 23:00:27 but the stuff on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page Jul 30 23:00:33 that should be correct Jul 30 23:00:50 shorter urls = more trustworthy Jul 30 23:01:00 LOL Jul 30 23:01:04 +PuffTheMagic: I am quoting rwhitby Jul 30 23:01:32 tris: what were you saying an hour ago about the compiler? Jul 30 23:01:33 tris: Not really. Jul 30 23:02:54 PuffTheMagic: I saw you guys switched to armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-g++ (iirc) but then updated again and it's back to arm-none-..., so nevermind Jul 30 23:03:03 curious what that was all about though, don't see it in scrollback here Jul 30 23:03:06 no that was my fault Jul 30 23:03:19 i use a toolchain i built on gentoo Jul 30 23:03:21 from scratch Jul 30 23:03:29 rwhitby: uses the optware toolchain Jul 30 23:03:31 very similar Jul 30 23:03:39 different gcc versions Jul 30 23:03:45 i think binutils and glibc are the same though Jul 30 23:04:02 but i may have pushed a commit that changed that in the makefile by accident Jul 30 23:04:51 i'm probably going to have to revert to yesterday's code 'cuz everything's pretty much broken for me in terminal now Jul 30 23:05:15 well idk why you chose to pull in devel work... Jul 30 23:05:26 you shoud just pull in tagged versions if you are not working on it Jul 30 23:05:45 and if people havent been tagging releases i will get them too ;) Jul 30 23:06:11 get them also, or get them to [do it] ? Jul 30 23:07:23 i dont think that many of the devs are that familiar with git yet Jul 30 23:07:33 i think we have many svn vets Jul 30 23:07:42 that havent fallen to the light side Jul 30 23:07:43 :) Jul 30 23:07:44 when we want to upgrade an app with filecoaster do we just install over the previous version? Jul 30 23:07:54 wtf is filecoaster? Jul 30 23:08:17 PuffTheMagic is on a roll today! Jul 30 23:08:20 PuffTheMagic: yeah. i'm new to git so i'm not 100% sure what's going on, just been tracking master Jul 30 23:08:37 not sure what the "merge branch 'master'" stuff is all about Jul 30 23:08:44 PuffTheMagic: Check my msg Jul 30 23:08:50 PuffTheMagic, it's the app to install ipks Jul 30 23:08:55 master is sorta like the default repo/branch Jul 30 23:09:05 i created a branch called master-rewrite Jul 30 23:09:09 which is like a fork of master Jul 30 23:09:15 to i did some work in master-rewrite Jul 30 23:09:20 then switched back to master Jul 30 23:09:24 and merged in master-rewrite Jul 30 23:09:41 *nod* master is the more stable tree though, right? Jul 30 23:09:49 I will be back later. Catch you guys later. Jul 30 23:10:48 wow...i need to upgrade my server box Jul 30 23:11:01 quassel isnt in the ubuntu repositories on that one Jul 30 23:11:34 nm, looks like it does upgrades or at least ipkg does... Jul 30 23:12:43 PuffTheMagic: filecoaster is pretty nifty Jul 30 23:13:06 you can copy a link to a file and it will download it and if its an ipk it will install it automatically Jul 30 23:13:28 what was escape in termin? Jul 30 23:13:37 orage space Jul 30 23:13:41 i am in it right now Jul 30 23:13:43 Epyon_: I hate it! Jul 30 23:13:48 ahh Jul 30 23:14:12 i knew it was space something Jul 30 23:14:21 Epyon_: Easier to do just ipgk -o /var install http://localhost/blahblahblah Jul 30 23:14:36 well if your not at a comp its not that bad Jul 30 23:14:40 thatdude, if you use terminal app or are at your pc Jul 30 23:15:05 filecoaster is so fast it's great Jul 30 23:15:19 hmagoo: Terminal Jul 30 23:15:30 hmagoo: Waste of space that is : Jul 30 23:15:33 hmagoo: i like it cause its quick Jul 30 23:15:57 hmagoo: Let me stop hating. Kudos to the dev. Jul 30 23:16:04 haha Jul 30 23:16:07 has some use... Jul 30 23:16:13 Gotta go, brb. Jul 30 23:16:15 thatdude: you stop hatin Jul 30 23:16:54 so im gonna put it up for a vote should i go gentoo or newer version of ubuntu for my nix box more or less a server Jul 30 23:17:09 FreeBSD Jul 30 23:17:21 Or if you're really daring, GentooBSD Jul 30 23:17:26 OSX Jul 30 23:17:29 Hahahaha! Jul 30 23:17:31 hahaahah Jul 30 23:17:34 yeah great joke Jul 30 23:17:43 hopspitfire: whats so good about bsd? Jul 30 23:17:45 I am rolling here Jul 30 23:17:46 ubuntu means you won't have to build anything, most packages are out there Jul 30 23:18:12 ewwww Jul 30 23:18:13 BDS Jul 30 23:18:15 hmagoo: gentoo has a pretty good repository sys with all sourcecode Jul 30 23:18:16 just use gentoo ;) Jul 30 23:18:21 Epyon_: After using both in production, I can safely say that the BSD kernel can support many more threads than Linux Jul 30 23:18:33 WTF is gentoo? o_O Jul 30 23:18:37 a distro Jul 30 23:18:39 source based Jul 30 23:18:46 the only real linux distro Jul 30 23:18:48 ;) Jul 30 23:18:49 haha Jul 30 23:18:51 +PuffTheMagic: Ubuntu > gentoo Jul 30 23:18:51 only the best linux distro ever ;) Jul 30 23:18:57 lol Jul 30 23:19:04 i like ubuntu for its ease of use Jul 30 23:19:10 ubuntu is nice Jul 30 23:19:10 but gentoo is such a clean setup Jul 30 23:19:10 My system now: 2.6.29-gentoo-r5-bender1.24 Jul 30 23:19:13 That's right Epyon_ Jul 30 23:19:25 ubuntu is nice if you are a windows user and never used linux Jul 30 23:19:34 or if you have a really slow cpu Jul 30 23:19:36 or for laptops Jul 30 23:19:38 and cant build packages Jul 30 23:19:41 for Desktop I was using DreamLinux but got sick of trying to find packages and just went back to xubuntu Jul 30 23:19:43 Epyon_: gentoo is fine for laptops Jul 30 23:19:45 It depends what you want, if you're looking for a desktop, then go LInux. Server -> BSD Jul 30 23:19:50 gentoo makes you learn linux Jul 30 23:19:53 well, with compiz desktop not xfce Jul 30 23:19:55 so if u just want to USE something Jul 30 23:19:56 yeah it does Jul 30 23:19:58 install ubuntu Jul 30 23:20:02 if you want to learn linux Jul 30 23:20:06 and be the master of your domain Jul 30 23:20:07 use gentoo Jul 30 23:20:11 haha Jul 30 23:20:20 * texel raises an eyebrow Jul 30 23:20:21 if you are a developer Jul 30 23:20:22 use gentoo Jul 30 23:20:22 well ive got to lug the box upstairs Jul 30 23:20:31 if you like to hack on source... use gentoo Jul 30 23:20:35 plug it into a monitor Jul 30 23:20:42 It's so easy to hack the ebuilds Jul 30 23:20:43 reformat Jul 30 23:20:46 but i am still a fan of ununtu Jul 30 23:20:53 its brough OEM desktops to linux Jul 30 23:21:00 and done a lot of good for the community Jul 30 23:21:03 but i cant use it personally Jul 30 23:21:09 but i set it up for people Jul 30 23:21:14 to convert them to linux Jul 30 23:21:23 See you b!tches later Jul 30 23:21:26 i enjoy kubuntu on my laptop Jul 30 23:21:33 cya thatdude|gym Jul 30 23:22:29 hrm ,thought there was update and upgrade with ipkg, what's the usage? Jul 30 23:22:36 the invisible shield is setting in nicely on the pre Jul 30 23:22:36 for homebrews Jul 30 23:22:49 mine was tinted a lot I took it off Jul 30 23:23:04 tinted? Jul 30 23:23:06 What are your thoughts on: http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/bacy26pmpre-bk.htm Jul 30 23:23:13 zagg? yeah Jul 30 23:23:47 hopspitfire: i really might get one Jul 30 23:23:48 hopspitfire, dunno, but I love their innocase surface Jul 30 23:23:56 case Jul 30 23:24:02 hopspitfire: i need more battery life than this Jul 30 23:24:31 Seriously, this battery is useless. I was waiting at the doctor's office a few weeks ago for 2 hours and took -60% percent just from web browsing Jul 30 23:25:17 hopspitfire: haha yeah and imagine having a 12 hour work shift Jul 30 23:25:27 And no other entertainment! Jul 30 23:25:31 hopspitfire: i couldnt touch it and it still died at the end of the day Jul 30 23:25:41 Really? Jul 30 23:25:46 at one job it goes down 40% over 6 hours and the other building it goes down 10% over six hours Jul 30 23:25:59 lol Jul 30 23:26:05 low service in one place probally Jul 30 23:26:19 thought both, but... Jul 30 23:26:55 I don't understand why they put a 1150mah battery in this :/ The older Palm 700wx had 1500 or 1800mah Jul 30 23:27:14 charger sales? ;) Jul 30 23:27:27 idk Jul 30 23:27:43 http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml click on the first x86 Jul 30 23:28:01 im "forbidden" apparently Jul 30 23:28:12 Same here Jul 30 23:28:13 it doesnt want me to install gentoo Jul 30 23:28:26 http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2007.0/installcd/install-x86-minimal-2007.0-r1.iso Jul 30 23:28:26 http://mirror.linux.org.mt/mirror/gentoo/releases/x86/2007.0/installcd/install-x86-minimal-2007.0-r1.iso Jul 30 23:28:33 It's an older release, but it'll work Jul 30 23:28:42 i want a new release Jul 30 23:28:43 or just manipulate the address Jul 30 23:28:44 sorry Jul 30 23:28:51 yeah was thinking about doing that Jul 30 23:28:56 http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2008.0/installcd/ Jul 30 23:29:33 apparently 2008.0 links are gonna be taken down soon Jul 30 23:30:05 I doubt that, 2007.0 is still up Jul 30 23:30:21 whyw ould you use 2007.0 Jul 30 23:30:39 use 2008.1 Jul 30 23:30:45 All you need is the latest toolchain, then emerge -e world Jul 30 23:31:11 2008.0 r1? Jul 30 23:31:15 http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors2.xml Jul 30 23:31:17 or r1 Jul 30 23:31:22 but not 2007 Jul 30 23:31:26 yeah Jul 30 23:32:19 man my wifi has too many things on it Jul 30 23:32:43 200 kb/s difference on dl'ing Jul 30 23:33:20 * aYellowBanana cries Jul 30 23:33:30 that's about my usual download speed :( Jul 30 23:33:46 more like 300kb/s, but still, utter shit :-/ Jul 30 23:33:48 aYellowBanana: that sucks Jul 30 23:33:56 * aYellowBanana shakes fist at AT&T DSL Jul 30 23:34:16 you know how much they fucking suck? They cranked up all the prices by $5, and cranked down the speed Jul 30 23:34:19 haha did you get affected by the 4chan block? Jul 30 23:34:44 I have the "Pro" package, and I used to get 400kb/s which I guess i was happy with coming from Dial Up, but now it's usually a little under 300kb/s Jul 30 23:35:03 dsl is not dialup Jul 30 23:35:03 lmao, I don't go on 4chan Jul 30 23:35:09 but I did get pissed off at them blatantly violating net neutrality Jul 30 23:35:15 thank you Captain Obvious? Jul 30 23:35:16 aYellowBanana: sure thing Jul 30 23:35:28 oh nvm Jul 30 23:35:33 hehe ;) Jul 30 23:35:34 thought you said somthing else Jul 30 23:35:41 yeah, I see I could have phrased that better Jul 30 23:36:15 AT&T has just given me problems. I want to switch to Comcast Cable, but my friend couple houses down has like 300kb/s too. rofl Jul 30 23:36:20 aYellowBanana: You gotta convince your parents how faster internet can benefit you and your schooling ;) Jul 30 23:36:51 hopspitfire, the convincing part is easy, I know my Dad wants it. Ever since I got a new PC, I hooked his up to WiFi and he's now a wanna be internet surfer Jul 30 23:37:00 dude when i was his agae i had to beg to get off of dialup Jul 30 23:37:04 :rofl: Jul 30 23:37:09 I'm surprised he can turn on the browser let alone surf, but hey, he's already complaining about our speeds Jul 30 23:37:20 i used the well the phone wont be busy all the time argument Jul 30 23:37:25 haha Jul 30 23:37:42 but then again, Comcast is a faggot with their promotional prices. it's not even a good price to start with, and then after 12 months it's pretty fucking high Jul 30 23:37:54 Epyon_, LMFAO! I definately used that one Jul 30 23:38:31 Any OTers in here? Jul 30 23:38:42 OT? Jul 30 23:38:51 old timers Jul 30 23:38:54 that would be you rwhitby Jul 30 23:39:04 OT as in what age range? Jul 30 23:39:04 :P Jul 30 23:39:08 heh Jul 30 23:39:16 and then again, cable internet is a little flawed. the more people using it in your neighborhood, the slower it is. Do any of you know if DOCSIS cable modems are still hackable to unlock bandwith and speed like they used to? Jul 30 23:39:17 You lurkers ;) Jul 30 23:39:39 aYellowBanana: The surfboard that I recently got from Comcast certainly isn't. Jul 30 23:39:47 * rwhitby reminds people of #webos-watercooler .... Jul 30 23:39:53 * texel nods Jul 30 23:40:00 probally depends on the modem Jul 30 23:40:15 really i didnt know we had that Jul 30 23:40:45 Epyon_: I think it's in the policy page which is listed in the /topic Jul 30 23:40:54 I think DOCSIS 2.0 cleared up a lot of shit Jul 30 23:41:18 aYellowBanana: please continue off-topic discussions in #webos-watercooler Jul 30 23:41:29 hahahahahahahaha Jul 30 23:41:31 I love that name Jul 30 23:41:56 Any of you guys have the 2600 mAh battery? Jul 30 23:41:57 sorry bought that rwhitby Jul 30 23:42:04 er Jul 30 23:42:08 I want to get it Jul 30 23:42:10 is battery discussion off-topic? :) Jul 30 23:42:14 yes Jul 30 23:42:21 that would be #webos-hardware Jul 30 23:42:26 hahahahahaha Jul 30 23:42:28 move over into watercooler Jul 30 23:42:36 :p Jul 30 23:42:38 shit, all these channels make it ghey Jul 30 23:42:40 xD Jul 30 23:42:44 ^^^ Jul 30 23:43:13 i dont see a point in keeping this room quiet if no one is talking about anything Jul 30 23:43:33 and I mean, if people come on in with WebOS related stuff, we'll shutup listen and contribute Jul 30 23:43:34 who wouldn't? Jul 30 23:43:43 ^^ Jul 30 23:43:44 PreGame: many people read the logs of this channel, and don't want to have to wade through off-topic discussions to find the -internals info Jul 30 23:44:02 PreGame: that rationale is also listed in the policy page Jul 30 23:44:03 if you read the logs then you have to much time on your hands and don't know how to scim Jul 30 23:44:16 why not just join the channel and ask the question Jul 30 23:44:25 PreGame: timezones Jul 30 23:44:28 I doubt you would ascertain anything either. Jul 30 23:45:48 added it: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Community Jul 30 23:45:54 the other reason someone will read the logs is to see if any important questions that developers or new contributors ask have not been answered, and answer them. Jul 30 23:46:10 you can't answer them if they are reading logs Jul 30 23:46:15 that is what forums are for Jul 30 23:46:42 PreGame: that's your opinion Jul 30 23:46:52 Does webos-internals need a forum? I have an extra vbulletin license. Jul 30 23:46:55 if anything, I would say IRC is the most useful for goofing on the job, while getting tidbits of info here and there from other users live. Jul 30 23:47:11 hopspitfire, maybe you should set that up! Jul 30 23:47:15 aYellowBanana: that's why we have #webos-watercooler Jul 30 23:47:15 that would actually be really cool Jul 30 23:47:31 two IRC channels for the same reason :-/ Jul 30 23:47:43 aYellowBanana: have you read the policy page? Jul 30 23:48:05 nope Jul 30 23:48:08 skimming it now Jul 30 23:48:39 rwhitby; Would there be support for a webos-internals forum? Jul 30 23:48:39 eeh. okaay >_> Jul 30 23:49:12 hopspitfire: sure, but why not just use the webos development forum on Precentral? they're happy to have internals talk there. Jul 30 23:49:39 rwhitby, like most popularized things, most of that area is easy guides and random crap posted by complete nubs Jul 30 23:50:00 it would be great to have a truly 'internal' one Jul 30 23:50:14 where people can post code snippets and ask questions and post info Jul 30 23:50:21 sort of like a testing ground before it goes on the wiki Jul 30 23:50:44 the wiki is almost a descussion place itself Jul 30 23:50:44 aYellowBanana: a forum is what the participants make it Jul 30 23:50:50 rwhitby: I've been getting random emails from people who need help with stuff posted on the wiki. This stuff would easily be helped through an internals forum Jul 30 23:51:01 if you want the webos development forum to be that, then start those discussions there Jul 30 23:51:11 i've been getting random emails of people asking to merge with my stuff... Jul 30 23:51:20 rwhitby, precisely. most of the people here in the IRC are the kind of people I would like to have on a forum. not "dood1337h4x0r" posting a tutorial on how to root the phone Jul 30 23:51:53 IRC and Pastebin isn't enough for a lot of things we need Jul 30 23:51:56 #webos-forums Jul 30 23:52:03 there, solved the problem Jul 30 23:52:05 Hah Jul 30 23:52:17 we could have a forum post pinned/stickied so we can have an outline of all goals, etc Jul 30 23:52:28 and we could even go as far as making the forum invite only, but we still have time to think on that Jul 30 23:52:36 I think it would be a great idea Jul 30 23:52:44 and hopspitfire can afford to give us a great forum, so hey Jul 30 23:52:48 you know if Palm hired all of us we would have one kickass OS for the phone Jul 30 23:52:49 why not Jul 30 23:52:56 XD Jul 30 23:53:19 is that watercooler talk? Jul 30 23:53:27 it's quite boring in there Jul 30 23:53:32 :-/ Jul 30 23:53:37 i said the same thing Jul 30 23:53:57 no one gets up to go to the watercooler anymore to talk they just sit at their desk and yell over the cube walls Jul 30 23:53:59 hopspitfire, how about we do this thing? Jul 30 23:54:13 PreGame, exactly. and especially nowadays with email and IMing Jul 30 23:54:22 I already have it set up, I just need to prune all the posts and change the name Jul 30 23:54:23 pfft, the watercooler is a distant memory. and machine of hydration/ Jul 30 23:55:14 * texel sighs and shrugs as yet another section of a development community gets stuck in forum-land Jul 30 23:55:14 PreGame, aYellowBanana: here's the thing. If you want real discussion of webos-internals in here, instead of continuous random discussion on any topic, then you need to keep it focussed. If the channel degrades to the point where the noise swamps the signal, then the developers will leave. I've seen it happen on other channels. Jul 30 23:55:28 ok, I'm sorry. I understand Jul 30 23:55:53 hopspitfire, you there? Jul 30 23:56:06 I don't want to swamp the signal but just want to give it a jolt to wake up the channel Jul 30 23:56:20 you may say that 5 minutes of off-topic discussion is not a problem. I agree. But then someone else sees that 5 minutes and adds their 5 minutes. Then the 100+ people in the channel all think they can discuss the latest in politics, religion, etc, and the channel is then useless. Jul 30 23:56:38 PreGame: I think your efforts may be misguided -- it's likely that the majority of the devs are either in another time zone or are at work. Jul 30 23:57:17 or watching dancing with the stars Jul 30 23:57:33 dear god, i would hope not Jul 30 23:57:42 here's something to jolt the channel: http://git.webos-internals.org/ Jul 30 23:59:19 Hm. Isn't that already available, though? Jul 30 23:59:38 Or is the gitweb interface new? Jul 31 00:06:56 rwhitby: :D Jul 31 00:07:06 rwhitby: run the modified gitweb Jul 31 00:07:11 the once by repo.or.cz Jul 31 00:07:37 its got some nicer features Jul 31 00:07:37 PuffTheMagic: where can I install that from? Jul 31 00:07:52 (I need it for ubuntu 8.04) Jul 31 00:08:16 rwhitby: http://repo.or.cz/w/git/repo.git Jul 31 00:09:40 PuffTheMagic: thx, when I get another idle period in the hotel I'll look at that Jul 31 00:12:07 PuffTheMagic: btw (reading backlog), you need -o /var on every ipkg command that you want to read the ipkg database which contains the apps under /var Jul 31 00:12:23 thatdude|gym: ^^ Jul 31 00:12:34 So here's a random question about that (since I just installed the terminal a little while ago): Jul 31 00:12:45 Why aren't we just re-using the existing ipkg-opt from optware? Jul 31 00:13:03 Seems a little strange to have 2-3 installs of ipkg on the device at the same time. Jul 31 00:13:13 indeed it is Jul 31 00:13:42 Especially since ipkg is essentially the same as apt and can collate lists of apps from differing repos. Jul 31 00:13:47 ipkg-opt is just for linux command line optware packages. that's historical, and used for 20 other platforms. Jul 31 00:14:09 you don't want to mix ipkg-opt packages and palm's built-in openembedded packages - they will collide Jul 31 00:14:15 Ah Jul 31 00:14:17 shoudl we maintain a "beta" repo and like a "stable" rebo? Jul 31 00:14:22 Understandable, then. Jul 31 00:14:28 ipkg is the command that palm builds into the device. Jul 31 00:14:41 * texel nods Jul 31 00:14:57 they use ipkg with no -o arg to build the initial rootfs from openembedded that goes on the device at the factory and doctor Jul 31 00:15:06 Yeah, I figured as much -- I'm a bit old-school in that I saw when ipkg first emerged in the Zaurus linux systems. =op Jul 31 00:15:21 they use ipkg -o /var for apps that come from palm-install or are downloaded from the app catalog Jul 31 00:15:33 Okay, so we're just following their standard, then. Jul 31 00:15:59 so we use ipkg -o /var for webOS applications, so that you can then manage those applications using the same Palm GUI tools (like opt-click to delete) Jul 31 00:16:12 rwhitby: is this the only mbile device optware supports? Jul 31 00:16:43 tmzt: no, optware works on openmoko and n800 and buglabs too I think. Jul 31 00:16:56 most of the optware targets are NAS devices and routers. Jul 31 00:17:01 is it maintained there? Jul 31 00:17:15 hey guys, one question, at the moment, is a video camera POSSIBLE? Jul 31 00:17:20 I mean is this going to run into the same kind of issues that om maintaining a distro has? Jul 31 00:17:36 tmzt: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage Jul 31 00:17:41 well the custom/device targeted code be affected by thise maintainance tasks I mean Jul 31 00:17:53 tmzt: since everything is under /opt, and it's designed to be independent of the vendor OS as much as possible, and the vendors hardly ever change their compiler options or processor architectures, it doesn't need much per-device maintenance. Jul 31 00:18:08 so stuff we do for the pre also helps openmoko and all the other optware targets Jul 31 00:18:23 okay, but things like Terminal don't really fit any other device, and most of the stuff in optware is server software I would think Jul 31 00:18:35 tmzt: that's why Terminal is not part of optware Jul 31 00:18:41 ah, right, preware Jul 31 00:18:44 right Jul 31 00:18:50 whereas apache is Jul 31 00:19:01 or irssi command line Jul 31 00:19:14 yeah Jul 31 00:19:21 (using optware irssi right now) Jul 31 00:19:42 its more straight cmd line suff Jul 31 00:19:48 preware could be supported on a debian/ubuntu/gentoo root fs right? Jul 31 00:20:21 tmzt: if the architectures were the same, theoretically, yes. Jul 31 00:20:44 i hear theres a gentoo build in the works Jul 31 00:20:45 I need to go, will be back Jul 31 00:20:48 Or put another way: as long as the debian/ubuntu/gentoo roots were also compiled for the same CPU type. Jul 31 00:21:25 anyone have the direct link to download the webos image for 1.1 Jul 31 00:22:07 uh i have it somewhere Jul 31 00:22:55 /palm.cdnetworks.net/staging/rom/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Jul 31 00:23:25 that worked for e Jul 31 00:23:55 maybe change the 100 to 110 Jul 31 00:26:33 Decimation_: did you get that Jul 31 00:27:16 wow no one pays attn to #webos anymore haha Jul 31 00:39:20 tmzt: optware will work on the debian/gentoo/etc chroots Jul 31 00:39:33 preware won't, unless you have webOS running in there Jul 31 00:39:54 Decimation_: the link is on the wiki on the webos doctor versions page Jul 31 00:40:36 jcrawford: seems to be good discussion in there about webos overnight ... Jul 31 00:46:59 I am back guys. Did I miss anything? Jul 31 00:47:39 everything lol Jul 31 00:47:49 lol Jul 31 00:51:29 you did miss a little a get on topic or use #webos-watercooler thing Jul 31 00:51:46 so there was a mass exodus to watercooler Jul 31 00:51:59 sup eno__ Jul 31 00:53:53 Epyon_: You scared eno_ away Jul 31 00:54:12 lol Jul 31 00:55:49 Zuchmir2: ping Jul 31 00:56:32 is a video camera possible? Jul 31 00:57:20 PuffTheMagic: ping Jul 31 01:09:05 enter key works again in terminal Jul 31 01:09:09 fyi Jul 31 01:09:15 thank you to mrvc Jul 31 01:16:54 hehe Jul 31 01:17:00 should I update from 1.0.4? Jul 31 01:17:03 I'm scared Jul 31 01:19:17 short answer: yes (longer answer available in #webos-watercooler :) Jul 31 01:20:17 hah Jul 31 01:20:34 I hate when ops try to divert conversation from a channel because they consider it too much noise Jul 31 01:20:37 that is way too prissy Jul 31 01:20:47 it's called Internet Relay _CHAT_ Jul 31 01:21:13 well, tbh, I understand the reason. we're lucky that the chan isn't more popular already Jul 31 01:21:22 I haven't had time to read the logs and I keep missing stuff myself Jul 31 01:21:30 we aren't writing dissertations Jul 31 01:21:57 yes, but there is a level of comfort you need to keep in a channel Jul 31 01:22:25 likely someone should step up to write summaries every day, if this is to be as popular as, say, l-k Jul 31 01:22:38 greetings Jul 31 01:22:44 hello Jul 31 01:23:22 or perhaps a web frontend to the log .txts where individual lines can be rated up or down for content Jul 31 01:23:40 sup people Jul 31 01:23:48 Wondering if someone could assist Jul 31 01:23:59 Im attempting to edit my dialpad colors Jul 31 01:24:00 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_the_Dialer_Background_Image Jul 31 01:24:10 When I send the luna rescan command, I get an error Jul 31 01:24:29 ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Method \"rescan\" with signature \"s\" on interface \"org.json\" doesn't exist\n"} Jul 31 01:25:36 you ran: "sudo luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}" ? Jul 31 01:26:12 odd, the web page says com.palm.appinstaller Jul 31 01:26:13 I also ran that Jul 31 01:26:23 Im rebooting now to see if that works Jul 31 01:27:45 nice my phone just rebooted on its own Jul 31 01:28:26 You didnt have to waste time getting the Orange Sym R combination correct :D Jul 31 01:28:46 Ok nevermind Jul 31 01:28:57 I rebooted and the dialpad looks sweet now :D Jul 31 01:29:14 I couldnt stand that ugly green Jul 31 01:30:14 lol, i guess im the only one who likes the green. Jul 31 01:30:29 Im more of a black and white, sometimes blue, person Jul 31 01:30:43 I immediately changed my background to the mountain picture when I got it Jul 31 01:31:54 Hey, I just realized yougrabber is in the ipkg-optware repo. Jul 31 01:32:05 that would be pretty convinient if that worked Jul 31 01:32:34 do you guys get a red background distortion with irssi on the pre? Jul 31 01:33:00 yep tlp, resolved if you do export TERM=vt100 though Jul 31 01:33:16 at least in 0.1.5. emulation is completely broken for me with git master Jul 31 01:33:19 mm. i used linux. Jul 31 01:33:34 might be due to gnu screen Jul 31 01:34:37 Ive got a cool House wallpaper if anyone wants it Jul 31 01:35:01 It's from the ep where he walks into the kids room with the boombox Jul 31 01:35:27 ahh' that Jul 31 01:35:35 woops Jul 31 01:35:44 that worked Jul 31 01:37:34 lol yes Jul 31 01:37:35 please Jul 31 01:37:36 i want that Jul 31 01:38:14 one moment Jul 31 01:38:43 tlp: I use screen fine in 0.1.4 Jul 31 01:38:47 still haven't updated :) Jul 31 01:39:27 jwm: I hear what you are saying regarding noise in channel and overbearing ops. Note that we haven't actually done anything with op privs about it - we rely on appealing to reason. Jul 31 01:40:00 i'm trying to Jul 31 01:40:40 argh. keep mixing up backspace and enter Jul 31 01:42:19 hey guys, any chance one of you can make an on screen keyboard? Jul 31 01:42:59 Decimation_: it'd need to be hooked into luna pretty tightly, and we don't have the source to a lot of that. Jul 31 01:43:10 but I'm sure someone will eventually figure out how. Jul 31 01:43:29 they are probably working on one Jul 31 01:43:35 palm being they Jul 31 01:43:39 what's the deal with camcorder? are we pretty much waiting on palm for it since we know it's in devel? Jul 31 01:43:40 any updates on the GUI installer Jul 31 01:43:44 tlp, I cant get the resolution correct, is it alright if there is black on each side? Jul 31 01:43:49 The image is mostly light blue Jul 31 01:44:32 has anyone replaced the dialer yet? Jul 31 01:44:33 I hate it Jul 31 01:44:39 for irssi? doesn't sound right Jul 31 01:44:56 jwm, I just replaced mine Jul 31 01:45:00 It's black now Jul 31 01:45:02 no, I mean completely Jul 31 01:45:10 uh idk Jul 31 01:45:12 like completely different dialer Jul 31 01:45:22 It's possible, they're just images Jul 31 01:45:27 the giant hang up button sucks Jul 31 01:45:30 You can edit them however you want Jul 31 01:45:53 and it's RIGHT UNDER the move this ball up to answer or unlock phone Jul 31 01:46:05 2/3 of the time I hang up on people Jul 31 01:46:10 jwm: the dialer talks through luna calls, so it would be straight-forward to write your own Jul 31 01:46:26 or just edit the scene to move the buttons Jul 31 01:47:41 it seems to be less responsive too Jul 31 01:48:00 maybe it is just my fat fingers but I'll hit a button and I'll have to hit it twice Jul 31 01:48:06 or it registers the button next to it Jul 31 01:48:07 heh Jul 31 01:49:16 none of the other apps do that for me though Jul 31 01:50:00 yeah, the pre's dialpad is the most broken i've encountered on a phone yet. i've encountered numerous bugs -- sometimes it doesn't seem to send the dtmf at all, or if it does, it's too short Jul 31 01:50:21 it's funny considering how well other apps work Jul 31 01:50:22 that's silly ;) Jul 31 01:50:30 because it doesn't send an actual DTMF tone Jul 31 01:50:41 you don't think so? Jul 31 01:50:50 I don't think so Jul 31 01:50:51 once the call is established, i mean Jul 31 01:51:06 really? Jul 31 01:51:08 If it did not work then we would not ne able to check our voicemail. Jul 31 01:51:21 i've never had a problem with the dialer app Jul 31 01:51:24 almost all digital voice applications send a signal to the remote tower/server/whatever saying "I pressed '9'" and then the receiving appliance sends out the actual DTMF tone Jul 31 01:51:37 I know I have to hit the buttons slowly and long on some voicemail systems Jul 31 01:51:42 or touch tone answering systems Jul 31 01:51:59 jwm: Blame asterisk for that Jul 31 01:52:02 the reason they do this is your device might garble the actual audio outbound over whatever digital codecs they're using thus destroying the validity Jul 31 01:52:13 jwm: Or just their slow network, asterisk is pimp. Jul 31 01:52:16 thatdude: I don't have that problem on other cellphones/home phones Jul 31 01:52:17 heh Jul 31 01:52:25 test Jul 31 01:52:33 test failed Jul 31 01:52:41 you're most likely having to hold for a long time to actually trigger the luna app if anything Jul 31 01:52:55 lol Jul 31 01:52:59 I notice when I quick tapp buttons on dialer it doesn't register, because Luna never accepted it ;) Jul 31 01:53:04 tap* Jul 31 01:53:10 for a second I saw "test failed' and I was like...failed? wait, why did it say test failed? Jul 31 01:54:49 rwhitby: yeah, I mean with luna on those systems Jul 31 01:54:52 Lol, good luck taking it to the Sprint and explaining that issue to them. Jul 31 01:55:31 I took my phone a week ago and no one had an idea what was a dead pixel and stuck pixel. Jul 31 01:55:45 I traded mine in 3 times Jul 31 01:55:49 but everyone knows that story Jul 31 01:55:53 Same here Jul 31 01:55:55 lol Jul 31 01:56:02 Well I am on my 3rd phone. Jul 31 01:56:09 so...i have a built in wireless adapter in my desktop pc Jul 31 01:56:11 the worst thing is that my first one was the best Jul 31 01:56:12 im on my lucky first Jul 31 01:56:12 heh Jul 31 01:56:15 but it's disconnected at the moment Jul 31 01:56:25 LarrySteeze, congrats Jul 31 01:56:25 I'm connected via gigabit ethernet Jul 31 01:56:30 jwm: Same here but I dropped it :( Jul 31 01:56:42 you should be able to drop phones Jul 31 01:56:49 any ideas as of how my computer thinks I'm connected to two separate networks? Jul 31 01:56:49 jwm: So I spoke to a Manager who is buddy of mine and had it replace for a new one. Jul 31 01:57:00 one titled "unknown network" at 100 mbps Jul 31 01:57:03 they shouldn't make a phone you can't drop Jul 31 01:57:27 sorry, Unidentified network Jul 31 01:57:33 it generally does not show that Jul 31 01:59:08 hopspitfire is sure cleaning the Wiki, great job! Jul 31 01:59:11 * jjcklp wonders what channel he's in Jul 31 02:02:21 what's this news about an iFlaw? Jul 31 02:03:39 SMS20wn Jul 31 02:06:13 anyone wanna help me with the mojo emulator? Jul 31 02:06:37 LarrySteeze: Winbl0ws or Linux? Jul 31 02:06:42 windows Jul 31 02:06:49 * thatdude looks away. Jul 31 02:06:53 I created the beginnings of an app Jul 31 02:07:17 and for some reason, a strange message "this text verifies your application is running." comes up Jul 31 02:07:34 but i don't have any of that text in my index.html Jul 31 02:07:47 but it tells me to remove it from my index file :S Jul 31 02:08:09 and I know enough html to know that I didn't add that lol Jul 31 02:08:13 That's correct. You need to edit the scene Jul 31 02:09:26 thatdude: I created an app from scratch Jul 31 02:09:49 let me rephrase, I took someone elses app and made minor adjustments just to start getting used to developing Jul 31 02:10:07 I didn't even use a palm created app Jul 31 02:10:43 LarrySteeze: Ok. What's under /app/assistants folder? Jul 31 02:10:48 the apple guy just said android and the pre are also vulnerable to the 'smart bug' Jul 31 02:10:55 i can't find any docs on it, though. Jul 31 02:11:01 first-assistant and stage-assistant Jul 31 02:11:08 google said they've 'fixed the bug' in the android OS. Jul 31 02:11:09 Ok Jul 31 02:11:17 you think it was just a weak telnet default login or some such? Jul 31 02:11:25 and neither assistant includes that text Jul 31 02:11:29 bougyman: Where you getting this source? Jul 31 02:11:36 thatdude: CBS atm Jul 31 02:11:40 it was on Fox earlier Jul 31 02:11:43 LarrySteeze: Go and open up stage-assistant.js Jul 31 02:12:00 apple is not releasing a statement Jul 31 02:12:08 but said if you see this on your phone TURN IT OFF Jul 31 02:12:12 ok, it is open Jul 31 02:12:25 Under.... StageAssistant.prototype.setup = function() { Jul 31 02:12:44 enter... this.controller.pushScene('first'); Jul 31 02:12:49 sometimes the web isn't good on current events about popular products Jul 31 02:12:49 this.controller.pushScene('first'); Jul 31 02:12:57 that is already there Jul 31 02:12:57 neither bing nor google is showing me this news. Jul 31 02:12:58 how can it be a bug for iphone pre and android? Jul 31 02:13:05 Epyon_: good question Jul 31 02:13:09 i think he was blowing smoke Jul 31 02:13:20 but the cbs anchor said google verified and also fixed it Jul 31 02:13:32 wouldnt it just be some leak in the messaging application that allows access to the computers mem Jul 31 02:13:33 apple has not yet released a fix, afahk Jul 31 02:13:38 or somthing similar Jul 31 02:13:42 perhaps. Jul 31 02:13:48 but that shouldn't cross platform Jul 31 02:13:51 oh, unless it's in webkit Jul 31 02:13:55 bougyman: What is the name of this bug or whatever the media is calling it? Jul 31 02:13:57 exactly thats what im thinking Jul 31 02:14:00 everything in the pre runs as root. Jul 31 02:14:02 thatdude: iFLaw Jul 31 02:14:04 er iFlaw Jul 31 02:14:05 maybe its an sms protocol thing Jul 31 02:14:11 is how both Fox and CBS billed it Jul 31 02:15:09 bougyman: I would like to see the news, did you record it? ^^ Jul 31 02:15:24 um, it's still live, on my dvr Jul 31 02:15:36 no way to export from dish to disk, yet. Jul 31 02:15:39 come on over. Jul 31 02:15:42 heh Jul 31 02:15:49 bougyman: Only if you was NYC Jul 31 02:15:56 or you in DFW Jul 31 02:16:09 anyway, i'm sure it'll hit this news cycle Jul 31 02:16:11 true Jul 31 02:16:17 especially if it hits every iphone Jul 31 02:16:43 i can't find any glaring vuln via tcp/ip in this pre Jul 31 02:16:53 LarrySteeze: Take a look into sources.json Jul 31 02:17:16 LarrySteeze: Should be on the main folder with index.html Jul 31 02:17:33 bs Jul 31 02:17:53 whats rename cmd in linux other than cp Jul 31 02:17:55 [ Jul 31 02:17:55 {"source": "app\/assistants\/stage-assistant.js"}, Jul 31 02:17:55 { Jul 31 02:17:55 "source": "app\/assistants\/first-assistant.js", Jul 31 02:17:55 "scenes": "first" Jul 31 02:17:56 } Jul 31 02:17:58 ] Jul 31 02:18:18 Epyon_: ipkg-opt install perl-rename-file Jul 31 02:18:22 or perl-file-rename Jul 31 02:18:26 it's one or the other Jul 31 02:18:31 lol is that it Jul 31 02:18:44 that's the std rename 's/search/replace/' glob*.foo Jul 31 02:18:51 weird Jul 31 02:18:52 if that's the one you're talking about Jul 31 02:19:04 ill stick with cp Jul 31 02:19:05 the rename they put on there just kept telling me copy files ..... Jul 31 02:19:08 Epyon_: it's mv Jul 31 02:19:11 LarrySteeze: that's correct. Jul 31 02:19:12 mv is rename Jul 31 02:19:17 it's short for move Jul 31 02:19:22 oh, the above ^^ is the rename that i've always used. Jul 31 02:19:22 ah thats what i ment Jul 31 02:19:24 mv Jul 31 02:19:28 That's why I don't understand why I'm running into problems Jul 31 02:19:31 which is copy and remove Jul 31 02:19:36 mv renames files, correct, one at a time. Jul 31 02:19:45 no where at all is there text that is displaying in the emulator Jul 31 02:20:03 rename - perl-rename-file in opt, renames many files at once. Jul 31 02:20:31 ah ok cool Jul 31 02:20:53 you supply a perl expression to run on the filenames Jul 31 02:21:08 yeah i figured since it said pearl in the name Jul 31 02:21:08 'y/[A-Z]/[a-z]/' would downcase them all Jul 31 02:21:32 's/some-(\d+)/none-$1/' Jul 31 02:21:35 that kinda thing Jul 31 02:21:45 any simple perl expression to run with the filename as $_ Jul 31 02:22:48 LarrySteeze: I don't know what to tell you. Jul 31 02:22:49 bougyman, ken? Jul 31 02:23:13 lol it's ok Jul 31 02:23:17 because it makes NO sense to me Jul 31 02:24:02 yeah pearl expressions are powerful but weird Jul 31 02:24:08 its actually good...because I was feeling crazy...I think it's komodo for some reason Jul 31 02:24:08 Rick_ are you around? Jul 31 02:24:09 You know what has been on my mind lately? Is it possible to create a launcher that would open up a new card (Terminal) and automatically log in as root and ssh to a server. Jul 31 02:24:15 ? Jul 31 02:24:24 yes Jul 31 02:24:47 the apps on the pre can talk to each other Jul 31 02:25:29 LarrySteeze: Ok, now how do you go about creating a launcher Jul 31 02:26:22 you mean opening another card? Jul 31 02:26:35 can you link a launcher icon to a script Jul 31 02:26:57 Epyon_: I have no idea Jul 31 02:27:17 that would be nice Jul 31 02:27:18 you'd want Terminal to be able to take arguments Jul 31 02:27:22 and run the program itself Jul 31 02:27:32 jwm: Yes Jul 31 02:27:38 you don't need to be root to run ssh Jul 31 02:27:39 heh Jul 31 02:28:06 there should be a preference in Terminal to store user/password heh Jul 31 02:28:16 or even just not run login Jul 31 02:28:21 like it use to do Jul 31 02:28:22 jjcklp: huh? Jul 31 02:28:22 heh Jul 31 02:28:30 jwm: No Jul 31 02:28:51 PuffTheMagic: with all your moving around variables, did u get anything to work? Jul 31 02:28:53 the pre is a single user device Jul 31 02:28:53 jwm: You are looking at it locally. Jul 31 02:28:54 jwm: i was very happy to see the login Jul 31 02:29:03 it's not a single-user device for me Jul 31 02:29:18 I don't see the pre entering the data center do you? Jul 31 02:29:20 hehe Jul 31 02:29:23 heck i've got three os's on it, don't run root apps as any Jul 31 02:29:29 er on any Jul 31 02:29:34 I wouldn't run it as root Jul 31 02:29:37 still login as user Jul 31 02:29:54 Zuchmir2: its all working now Jul 31 02:29:54 but I don't see a need for a terminal login Jul 31 02:29:57 thatdude: example: Jul 31 02:29:58 FirstAssistant.prototype.handleButtonPress = function(event){ Jul 31 02:29:58 this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://com.palm.applicationManager', { Jul 31 02:29:58 method: 'open', Jul 31 02:29:58 parameters: { Jul 31 02:29:58 id: 'com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher', Jul 31 02:29:59 Zuchmir2: enter key works Jul 31 02:30:00 params: {} Jul 31 02:30:02 } Jul 31 02:30:02 X doesn't even require you to login to your terminal Jul 31 02:30:04 }); Jul 31 02:30:06 } Jul 31 02:30:10 you just run mrxvt, Eterm, etc Jul 31 02:30:13 Zuchmir2: new session menu works, new session from launcher works Jul 31 02:30:15 ok, lemme pull then... Jul 31 02:30:31 well nova doesn't require login. Jul 31 02:30:44 jwm, because any application could instantiate the plugin ... Jul 31 02:30:50 and then type thing behind your back Jul 31 02:31:09 ? Jul 31 02:31:11 in front of your back ? Jul 31 02:31:12 ooh, and that Jul 31 02:31:17 PuffTheMagic: did u also put back in the prefs? Jul 31 02:31:21 don't make it suid root? Jul 31 02:31:29 don't make what suid root ? Jul 31 02:31:34 the plugin ? Jul 31 02:31:35 I don't get it Jul 31 02:31:37 luna runs as root Jul 31 02:31:39 That's the problem with smart guys. I am asking for something simple and they are taking it to a whole different level. Jul 31 02:31:46 luna instantiates the plugin Jul 31 02:31:46 what is wrong with a terminal that logs in as the user it is run as automatically Jul 31 02:31:49 heh Jul 31 02:31:57 it would be run as root Jul 31 02:32:22 i think that's why they named it 'scary black screen' when it was root Jul 31 02:32:29 heh Jul 31 02:32:29 Zuchmir2: that is next on my list Jul 31 02:32:38 All I am asking is for an icon to be place on the Launcher and when press it will open up our sexy terminal and would automatilly ssh to a server Jul 31 02:32:41 that's why I said there should be a preferences Jul 31 02:32:42 ok, we also should store the prefs Jul 31 02:32:45 Zuchmir2: we have to figure out if the prefs are gonn abe global or per card Jul 31 02:32:51 gonna Jul 31 02:32:57 gonna be Jul 31 02:33:07 thatdude, you can do that already somewhat Jul 31 02:33:13 create a user with a .profile in it's home dir Jul 31 02:33:16 that auto ssh's Jul 31 02:33:28 and just login as that user heh Jul 31 02:33:40 i would think it *should* be global Jul 31 02:33:41 jwm: That's another way. Jul 31 02:33:52 I made a shorthand alias Jul 31 02:33:56 Zuchmir2: mrvc thinks it should be per card ;) Jul 31 02:33:59 I just type ddl and it connects to my dev server Jul 31 02:34:00 heh Jul 31 02:34:00 ... how else u gonna save per page prefs? Jul 31 02:34:09 i put pdmenu on an ssh to a debian chroot Jul 31 02:34:12 Zuchmir2: havent thought about any of it yet really Jul 31 02:34:14 it's got all my common tasks in it Jul 31 02:34:19 pdmenu probably exists in opt Jul 31 02:34:25 er optware Jul 31 02:34:26 Zuchmir2: thats why i was putting it off and fixing other things Jul 31 02:34:26 ie when u close the app, then open again, how u gonna know which screen which color Jul 31 02:34:27 jwm: Can you provide me with the coding Jul 31 02:35:11 Zuchmir2: well i was thinking more along the lines of... if i increase the font size or change a color in one terminal, it shouldnt change the settings of the other terminals Jul 31 02:35:13 ... but for starters, at change "active" winow, and store that Jul 31 02:35:19 ipkgfind is unavail on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/?n=Site%2FSearch&q=pdmenu Jul 31 02:35:22 i wasnt thinking about storing changes after it closes Jul 31 02:35:36 Zuchmir2: we would need a db to store preferences Jul 31 02:35:37 which is something i was thinking about a little Jul 31 02:35:40 i saw some examples of how to do it Jul 31 02:37:20 xterms use class name :) Jul 31 02:37:30 and a default config file heh Jul 31 02:37:43 you're trying to copy putty it sounds like Jul 31 02:38:13 you could have a little dialog that pops up and says create a terminal session Jul 31 02:38:18 and store that session Jul 31 02:38:37 ok, i'm gonna look at this code now... Jul 31 02:39:57 I like the idea of a full ajax terminal though Jul 31 02:40:07 I know a few exist but.. Jul 31 02:44:15 Is WebTTY open source? Jul 31 02:45:32 http://testape.com/webtty_sample.php Jul 31 02:46:06 it's under GPL Jul 31 02:46:07 so yes Jul 31 02:46:13 For you interesting in porting an Ajax terminal Jul 31 02:46:22 http://testape.com/webtty_page.php <--DEMO Jul 31 02:48:19 PuffTheMagic: u brought back the color to green again :-) Jul 31 02:48:28 eww Jul 31 02:48:32 no green :( Jul 31 02:48:38 Zuchmir2: i didnt do anything Jul 31 02:48:45 i mean... Jul 31 02:48:51 i didnt set any colors Jul 31 02:48:56 maybe thats a default color Jul 31 02:48:57 idk Jul 31 02:48:59 how do I ssh from the pre's terminal? Jul 31 02:49:01 i didnt look into the color code yet Jul 31 02:49:25 that's the default color for the c++, but setColors(fg, bg) changes it Jul 31 02:49:33 joesmith: ssh (host) Jul 31 02:49:43 .. and in the JS it was changed to magenta Jul 31 02:49:51 ssh user@host Jul 31 02:49:53 heh Jul 31 02:50:09 I put openssh on mine so I have to do /opt/bin/openssh-ssh Jul 31 02:50:16 Zuchmir2: yeah i want the default to be normal linux colors Jul 31 02:50:19 or export PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin Jul 31 02:50:22 so like white/light gray Jul 31 02:50:24 brb Jul 31 02:50:27 alias ssh=openssh-ssh Jul 31 02:50:36 PuffTheMagic: btw u noticed that when u spawn a card it's different shae than a new card Jul 31 02:50:37 PuffTheMagic: I do too Jul 31 02:51:31 Zuchmir2: its different shae? Jul 31 02:51:44 PuffTheMagic: that's b/w, but i have these colors, so it's easy to identify which set of functionality uis being used Jul 31 02:52:29 Zuchmir2: im confused! what about a new card? Jul 31 02:52:37 open 3 cards, 2 from the dash board, and 1 from "New sesson" and minimize them, u will see the diff Jul 31 02:53:04 has anyone been able to ssh from the sdk terminal app? Jul 31 02:53:23 I get an error resolving Jul 31 02:54:25 Zuchmir2: minimize? Jul 31 02:54:30 like to reorder them? Jul 31 02:55:27 press the esc button to see multiple card Jul 31 02:56:36 ok I cant ssh on the sdk terminal I am typing "ssh joe@10.2.0.1" Jul 31 02:56:40 Night hoes Jul 31 02:57:38 Zuchmir2: i dont see a difference Jul 31 02:58:26 is the "bottom" whaite are the same size on all 3? Jul 31 02:58:34 is the "bottom" white are the same size on all 3? Jul 31 02:58:38 yes it was Jul 31 02:58:42 until i got a notification Jul 31 02:58:45 then it grew a little Jul 31 02:58:46 ;) Jul 31 02:58:49 i will lookinto that Jul 31 02:58:56 hmm, and u opened 2nd and 3rd card with 2 diff methods? Jul 31 02:59:07 yeah i opened up 3 cards Jul 31 02:59:10 and they all looked fine Jul 31 02:59:17 untill i plugged it in Jul 31 02:59:23 and i got the charge notification Jul 31 02:59:28 and then the bottom part grew **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 31 02:59:57 2009