**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 31 02:59:57 2009 Jul 31 03:03:27 Zuchmir2: i will be back in an hour or so if you want to talk about how to do this prefs stuff Jul 31 03:04:42 can someone help me ssh via the sdk terminal, I am using this command ssh "joe@joesddyns.no-ip.org" and I get this error "error resolving: name or service not known" Jul 31 03:05:22 PuffTheMagic: ok, see ya ten Jul 31 03:05:49 try using an ip instead of the name Jul 31 03:06:34 same error Jul 31 03:08:44 check /etc/resolv.conf Jul 31 03:08:51 (this isn't android :) ) Jul 31 03:08:54 hey tzmt Jul 31 03:09:07 hello Jul 31 03:09:10 got your pm again Jul 31 03:09:16 hah Jul 31 03:10:58 anyone see hotspitfire? Jul 31 03:15:31 ~seen hopspitfire Jul 31 03:15:34 hopspitfire was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 3h 21m 11s ago, saying: 'I already have it set up, I just need to prune all the posts and change the name'. Jul 31 03:16:35 oh Jul 31 03:16:37 haha Jul 31 03:16:40 thanks Rick__! ^.^ Jul 31 03:32:21 I am having a problem ssh from the terminal app installed on the emulator, I cannot ping my default gateway or my external ip, BUT via putty logged into the emulator I can ssh and ping. Any Ideas? Jul 31 03:33:15 I think the emulators terminal app cannot resolve the name Jul 31 03:34:13 I am receiving the following message "ssh: exited: error resolving: name or service not kown" Jul 31 03:35:34 ok, having git troubles Jul 31 03:35:40 I made a branch Jul 31 03:35:47 I made some changes Jul 31 03:35:51 I commited my changes Jul 31 03:36:05 now I'm trying to merge my changes back into the main branch Jul 31 03:36:38 they put mrvc in .git-ignore Jul 31 03:36:50 arg Jul 31 03:36:53 i need a scope.. Jul 31 03:37:05 if I do git checkout origin/master it puts me in (no branch) Jul 31 03:37:06 joesmith - try ssh'ing to the ip address instead of the name Jul 31 03:37:50 what am I missing? Jul 31 03:38:16 mrvc you tried to do a git merge? Jul 31 03:38:22 mrvc, I think jwm just said they put you on ignore? O_o Jul 31 03:38:35 what does that mean? Jul 31 03:38:46 lame humor mrvc ignore it. Jul 31 03:38:55 xD xD Jul 31 03:39:05 mrvc what happend when you tried to merge? Jul 31 03:39:47 ah, maybe that is it, I need to merge master into my branch and not the other way around Jul 31 03:39:56 try it. Jul 31 03:40:03 * Rick__ not a git master Jul 31 03:40:07 PuffTheMagic is. Jul 31 03:40:23 :rick_ tried it, as one of the first things Jul 31 03:40:32 ~seen PuffTheMagic Jul 31 03:40:34 puffthemagic is currently on #webos-internals #kde #uclibc. Has said a total of 403 messages. Is idling for 37m 6s, last said: 'Zuchmir2: i will be back in an hour or so if you want to talk about how to do this prefs stuff'. Jul 31 03:40:50 no, when I do "git merge origin/master" it says "already up to date" Jul 31 03:41:10 looks like you're going t have to wait about a half hour for puff Jul 31 03:42:05 mrvc, looks like you can do merges based on pulls Jul 31 03:42:21 http://blog.jrock.us/articles/Git%20merging%20by%20example.pod - look at that example ? Jul 31 03:43:39 mrvc, did you make changes to origin/master or to your branch ? Jul 31 03:43:54 to my branch Jul 31 03:44:38 i think you have to have the current working/master you want to merge with ... and then merge your branch Jul 31 03:44:41 and it will auto commit Jul 31 03:44:57 or you can do git merge --no-commit branch to review the merge result and then do the commit yourself Jul 31 03:45:26 I can't seem to get back to the master branch Jul 31 03:45:46 or see: http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/git-3.shtml Jul 31 03:45:50 or you need to check it out Jul 31 03:45:56 s/or/oh/ Jul 31 03:45:56 bpadalino meant: oh you need to check it out Jul 31 03:46:05 neato Jul 31 03:46:17 hi all. Jul 31 03:47:05 mrvc, any luck ? Jul 31 03:47:14 quick question... anyone able to give a hand with making cron start up automatically when the Pre reboots? Jul 31 03:47:37 i think crond already runs at bootup ? but i could be mistaken Jul 31 03:47:42 I tried "git checkout origin/master" Jul 31 03:48:07 error ? Jul 31 03:48:22 it does something, but I end up in (no branch0 Jul 31 03:48:25 (no branch) Jul 31 03:48:40 rick_ when I try to ping my default gateway I get "Bad address '10.2.0.1' " any ideas? Jul 31 03:48:42 seems like it should, but my crontab entries don't start... I had to *manually* change my wallpaper today. Pity me, please. Jul 31 03:48:44 Note: moving to "origin/master" which isn't a local branch Jul 31 03:49:04 what does git branch show ? Jul 31 03:49:27 * (no branch) Jul 31 03:49:29 master-dirty Jul 31 03:49:40 weird Jul 31 03:50:17 joesmith: what do you mean? Jul 31 03:50:26 http://markpasc.livejournal.com/189329.html Jul 31 03:50:29 try that mrvc Jul 31 03:50:30 joesmith: with busybox ping? Jul 31 03:50:42 the terminal ping on the emulator Jul 31 03:50:55 ? Jul 31 03:51:22 I am using the terminal app on the emulator and it cant ping my gateway Jul 31 03:51:34 I dont know hy Jul 31 03:52:41 I just tried to ping 192.168.1.1 and it tried to ping it, I am pretty sure for some reason the emulator thinks that 192.168.1.1 is on my network and is the gateway Jul 31 03:52:50 well, first of all, terminal doesn't have commands, it just passes your input to a shell Jul 31 03:52:57 can you type -p ping ? Jul 31 03:53:05 oh, emulator Jul 31 03:53:11 it might be using nat or something Jul 31 03:53:23 cant see my external address Jul 31 03:53:26 I woudln't worry about the router in that case, just make sure the default route on the host is correct Jul 31 03:53:34 mrvc, or - http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSubmoduleTutorial Jul 31 03:54:04 Yeah, I just checked it... ps auxww has mention of cron after a restart. I have to run '/sbin/initctl start crond' manually... then it works and appears in the ps output Jul 31 03:54:26 is there a way to see what the emulator thinks it default route is Jul 31 03:54:41 route -n Jul 31 03:56:22 bpadalino: sorry I'm not getting it Jul 31 03:56:29 :( Jul 31 03:56:36 for some reason it thinks it is 10.0.2.2? Jul 31 03:56:43 can I change this? Jul 31 03:56:47 hmm... I typed that wrong... ps auxww has *no* mention of cron after reboot... Jul 31 03:57:02 btw when I ssh into the emulator I have no problems Jul 31 04:29:15 my domain Jul 31 04:37:59 holy shit what's with all the leaving and joining? >_> Jul 31 04:40:04 * aYellowBanana raises hand Jul 31 04:40:16 excuse me, who here manages the webos-internals.org domain? Jul 31 05:06:57 bzhou * r10516 optware/trunk/ (make/mxml.mk sources/mxml/mxml.patch): mxml: 2.5 -> 2.6 Jul 31 05:07:58 why the fuck do you keep posting that? Jul 31 05:10:55 aYellowBanana: there're ppl like to know optware commits Jul 31 05:11:11 ooh, yes, sorry Jul 31 05:11:20 I didn't realize what that was till it was too late Jul 31 05:11:23 * aYellowBanana facepalms Jul 31 05:17:01 aYellowBanana: why are you so angry? :( Jul 31 05:17:31 at first I thought he was spamming Jul 31 05:17:33 haha Jul 31 05:17:39 aYellowBanana: lol Jul 31 05:17:50 he is a bot Jul 31 05:17:55 * aYellowBanana is in shame Jul 31 05:17:55 so its more of an it Jul 31 05:17:56 ;) Jul 31 05:18:01 mrvc: hey Jul 31 05:18:08 destinal: hey Jul 31 05:18:11 PuffTheMagic: how goes the battle? Jul 31 05:18:16 destinal: good Jul 31 05:18:16 oh hai dar destinal Jul 31 05:18:26 destinal: everuthing is working Jul 31 05:18:28 Yeah, it doe snot get offended if you say go to hell Jul 31 05:18:44 CIA-35, your mom is easy Jul 31 05:18:49 destinal: enter key works, backbuffer works, new sessions from menu and launcher work Jul 31 05:18:58 PuffTheMagic: awesome Jul 31 05:19:02 destinal: gonna get a db working tomorrow so we can store preferences Jul 31 05:19:10 and get the prefs menu working Jul 31 05:19:22 sounds like we need a release tonight presuming it's tested pretty well Jul 31 05:19:34 what is this you're speaking of? Jul 31 05:19:45 aYellowBanana: terminal app Jul 31 05:19:49 destinal: its already 0.1.6 in appinfo.json Jul 31 05:19:54 what's there to be done? Jul 31 05:20:04 destinal: make sure to tag it in git Jul 31 05:20:07 when you make a release Jul 31 05:20:19 git tag 0.1.6 Jul 31 05:20:20 oh, right.. that can be just a bit important. :) Jul 31 05:20:21 :D Jul 31 05:21:03 its more for the non devs for when they say Jul 31 05:21:10 i pull from git and its broke now what Jul 31 05:21:12 we can say Jul 31 05:21:36 git reset --hard 0.1.6 Jul 31 05:21:37 :D Jul 31 05:21:42 right, also we can easily troubleshoot the code in a branch when problems with that binary come in Jul 31 05:21:48 oh shit wait Jul 31 05:21:51 err in a tag Jul 31 05:21:51 i forgot something Jul 31 05:21:57 hold up Jul 31 05:22:03 tagging is not gonna make sense Jul 31 05:22:11 since we have like 20 projects in 1 repo Jul 31 05:22:22 yeah we have to break out terminal into its own rep Jul 31 05:22:23 repo Jul 31 05:22:23 we need to move to a 1 project per repo format Jul 31 05:22:36 this bundled stuff is crazy Jul 31 05:22:48 well terminal app and plugin could go in one since we've stopped treating them seperately Jul 31 05:22:54 no offense to who set it up that way Jul 31 05:23:04 and they have to correlate Jul 31 05:23:17 destinal: not necessarily Jul 31 05:23:29 like there were no changes to the plugin Jul 31 05:23:32 PuffTheMagic: well there will be breaking changes as time goes by Jul 31 05:23:57 destinal: we need to check for the right version plugin in the terminal app Jul 31 05:24:02 and to keep it simple we've decided to keep updating both all the time, there was a lot of confusion Jul 31 05:24:05 destinal: my webpage handles deps Jul 31 05:24:17 so we can say terminal need >=0.1.5 of plugin Jul 31 05:24:25 even though terminal is at 0.1.6 Jul 31 05:24:31 PuffTheMagic: I agree a version check would be easy and smart Jul 31 05:24:41 idk about easy Jul 31 05:24:45 but smart ;) Jul 31 05:24:58 but the biggest thing is we want to update the app even when only the plugin changes Jul 31 05:24:58 anyway... thats all tomorrows tasks Jul 31 05:25:00 im beat Jul 31 05:25:14 destinal: i dont need that as being necessary Jul 31 05:25:19 since people don't know how to think of the plugin being separate, we found that one the hard way in past Jul 31 05:25:21 ipk files will have the proper dep Jul 31 05:25:28 trust me Jul 31 05:25:35 it's a wetware thing Jul 31 05:25:47 destinal: so are we gonna package them together? Jul 31 05:26:26 we could but I think someone suggested the idea of some other app using a plugin Jul 31 05:26:43 not that it makes tons of sense for termplugin but maybe someone has an idea I haven't considered Jul 31 05:26:57 i think they should just be seperate Jul 31 05:27:15 and once more services and plugins get released things will start making sense Jul 31 05:27:22 right but if so we need to update the app whenever the plugin changes so people logically thinking of the app as IT get it Jul 31 05:27:22 esp once the ipkg stuff gets rolling Jul 31 05:27:31 people are probably already confused with git pulls Jul 31 05:28:01 destinal: if an update in the plugin breaks API compatibility with the mojo app Jul 31 05:28:02 then yes Jul 31 05:28:05 ie, they think,I'll just install the new app (not realizing functionality improvements come from the plugin and the app didn't change) Jul 31 05:28:08 we would need a version bump Jul 31 05:28:10 no Jul 31 05:28:11 trust me Jul 31 05:28:20 we've been through this Jul 31 05:28:40 we bump the version on the app whenever the plugin updates, that's just what we do Jul 31 05:28:40 well when we get a version checkin there this wont be an issue Jul 31 05:28:42 destinal: we'll break out terminal as we move it to git.webos-internals.or Jul 31 05:28:43 g Jul 31 05:29:06 it compensates for a human flaw Jul 31 05:29:08 it works Jul 31 05:29:17 destinal: if people are using the feed then the deps should get pulled in automatically Jul 31 05:29:21 if they are doing shit manually Jul 31 05:29:24 well then they fucked up Jul 31 05:29:32 but the version check on modules will go a long way Jul 31 05:29:54 PuffTheMagic: I don't think we have the dep in the ipkg yet, but that will be easy to add in the terminal preware Makefile Jul 31 05:29:54 the reports were, why am I running 0.1.2 of the app, I thought you just released an update Jul 31 05:29:55 etc Jul 31 05:29:56 i like the idea of reusable code so if we can keep thing seperate i think we should Jul 31 05:30:19 rwhitby-shinkans: well deps work on my website Jul 31 05:30:24 so my feed has dep support Jul 31 05:30:28 it's easier to just bump the app when the plugin bumps to avoid confusion, rather than taking a purist view Jul 31 05:30:30 PuffTheMagic: sweet Jul 31 05:30:33 * aYellowBanana tries following and is dizzy Jul 31 05:31:43 destinal: how about we just see what happens once the website is done and we have feed with deps Jul 31 05:32:01 and not stress just yet about it :D Jul 31 05:32:21 we have one already don't we? Jul 31 05:32:27 it wasn't a deps problem Jul 31 05:32:40 it was people not realizing they'd updated problem Jul 31 05:33:02 jwm: when you have both dropbear and openssh on the Pre, it should automatically symlink /opt/bin/ssh to openssh by priority. ipkg has alternatives support and we use it in that case. So you shouldn't need to refer to openssh-ssh directly. Jul 31 05:33:03 if they update using a proper feed with deps there "should" be no issue Jul 31 05:33:14 PuffTheMagic: there's no technical issue Jul 31 05:33:15 never was Jul 31 05:33:16 they will always have what is needed Jul 31 05:33:40 PuffTheMagic: it's an education issue I don't want to have to train them.. I've explained this a few ways now Jul 31 05:34:10 how come you can't hang up just one call Jul 31 05:34:28 destinal: ... anyway, enjoy defcon Jul 31 05:34:31 i need some sleep Jul 31 05:34:44 is that a limitation of the phone, or the network? Jul 31 05:34:46 PuffTheMagic: cool, good night. and good job btw Jul 31 05:34:51 thanks Jul 31 05:36:05 someone changed: this.termplugin.setAttribute('height', height); to this.termplugin.setAttribute('height', 8*1000); ... Jul 31 05:36:22 ... is there logic to this? Jul 31 05:36:38 Zuchmir2: git should be able to tell you which commit did that Jul 31 05:36:50 (I don't know how to ask it, but I believe it's a feature) Jul 31 05:36:54 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/commit/89c764bedd82af30a3c9de36fb913285852d4d4e Jul 31 05:38:13 my question is "why?" Jul 31 05:39:27 ... as it's changing from logical-names to numbers Jul 31 05:40:38 Zuchmir2: has to do with the scrollback buffer Jul 31 05:40:56 8 is font height Jul 31 05:41:03 1000 is number of lines Jul 31 05:41:11 8 isn't always font height? Jul 31 05:41:21 *i* know what 8 and 1000 are, but in 12 months i wont remember Jul 31 05:41:21 it is in the terminal right now i think Jul 31 05:41:32 there's a 6-high font in there Jul 31 05:41:33 Zuchmir2: its not perfect et Jul 31 05:41:37 or there was yesterday Jul 31 05:41:48 that's why we used variables Jul 31 05:41:51 yes it will need something better Jul 31 05:41:59 yeah, 4x6 is still there Jul 31 05:42:05 Zuchmir2: hey -- height was the visible height Jul 31 05:42:14 in http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/commit/89c764bedd82af30a3c9de36fb913285852d4d4e it changed from a variable to a number Jul 31 05:42:28 Zuchmir2: it should be calculated, but I was just testing at the time Jul 31 05:42:35 Zuchmir2: i had to do a huge rewrite to get multiple cards working Jul 31 05:42:44 i will all get back in there soon Jul 31 05:42:49 whatever it is, give it a variable, so everyone understands what the number represents Jul 31 05:43:20 ... who decided 1000? that was an arbitrary number, and doesn't mean anything on its own Jul 31 05:43:27 Zuchmir2: like mrvc said, it was a test Jul 31 05:43:28 oh, ok Jul 31 05:43:53 aw, line wrapping/last char on screen is broken again Jul 31 05:44:10 evp: in all apps, or only in irc? Jul 31 05:44:18 my usual test is with mutt Jul 31 05:44:28 epv: was it ever fixed? Jul 31 05:44:44 yeah, at some point yesterday, for the 8x8 font, it worked Jul 31 05:44:50 make a list of the issue you guys notice on the wiki Jul 31 05:44:54 i will get to the tomorrow Jul 31 05:44:58 ... i hadn't seen it working properly in irc Jul 31 05:45:05 maybe coincidence Jul 31 05:45:39 anyway... im out for the night Jul 31 05:45:43 err bed i mean Jul 31 05:45:47 ttyl Jul 31 05:45:54 night Puff Jul 31 05:45:56 good nite Jul 31 05:46:40 bzhou * r10517 optware/trunk/make/iksemel.mk: iksemel: 1.3 -> 1.4 Jul 31 05:46:45 nm. it might have been because i tried 4x6 font then switched to 8x8 Jul 31 05:47:12 CIA-35, you're a failure at life Jul 31 05:47:46 CIA-[0-9]* rather Jul 31 05:48:42 personally, haven't seen that fixed, was going to look at output, but didn't get to it yet Jul 31 05:49:02 aYellowBanana: CIA will be reporting git commits soon to. Jul 31 05:49:09 s/to/too/ Jul 31 05:49:10 rwhitby-shinkans meant: aYellowBanana: CIA will be reporting git commits soon too. Jul 31 05:52:20 git is moving? Jul 31 05:52:38 to wi .org? Jul 31 05:53:26 is this the right channel for help with patching? Jul 31 05:54:39 yes Jul 31 05:55:12 Looking for help recovering from not quilt popping bookmark.patch before applying the webos 1.1 OTA update, plz Jul 31 05:56:01 no idea Jul 31 05:56:12 probably not the best time Jul 31 05:56:23 too late 4 most? Jul 31 05:57:05 i'd backup all the files and do the webos recovery Jul 31 05:57:52 backup via the rsync in the wiki? Jul 31 05:57:52 well Jul 31 05:58:18 if it only affects one ipk you might reinstall that Jul 31 05:59:00 not ipk related. was the patch to the music player to add bookmarks on pause Jul 31 06:00:06 quilt patching. I am a noob to quilt and just tonight realized I did not back the patching out (pop?) b4 letting the webos 1.1 OTA install Jul 31 06:00:30 want me to copy my unedited file and you could dl it and try to cp it over your existing file? Jul 31 06:01:53 I'll get the list of files changed by the patch and that should give me a music player as shipped by 1.1 Jul 31 06:02:21 then you could pop you, you think? Jul 31 06:02:31 if so, that's a better alternative Jul 31 06:03:12 would a pop against files that are aleady unpatched end OK? Jul 31 06:03:55 you can pop 1 patch Jul 31 06:04:03 well, maybe pop isn't the right term Jul 31 06:04:48 I am new to quilt, but I _think_ pop is "unapply the patch" Jul 31 06:04:57 yeah, it is Jul 31 06:05:05 it's no big deal Jul 31 06:05:23 you can unpatch all the files, fix your problem, and reapply the patches again Jul 31 06:06:18 will go collect the list of files that are impacted by the patch Jul 31 06:12:02 All the broken redirects on predev have been fixed. Jul 31 06:26:46 Looks like the music player did not rev with webos 1.1, so the copies of the files I made b4 patching under 1.0.4 should still be valid. Jul 31 06:40:48 hello Jul 31 06:40:54 where are the sms logs stored? Jul 31 06:56:37 lol anyone happen to know where the datasheet for TWL5030 is? it's one of the chip inside Jul 31 06:56:39 the pre Jul 31 07:14:47 anyone alive want to try updating to terminal 1.6 and provide feedback? Jul 31 07:19:38 s/1/0.1/ Jul 31 07:19:38 destinal meant: anyone alive want to try updating to terminal 0.1.6 and provide feedback? Jul 31 07:32:37 sure infro Jul 31 07:32:44 what's the command Jul 31 07:32:48 something update, something upgrade Jul 31 07:34:40 ipkg -o /var upgrade Jul 31 07:35:17 ill update Jul 31 07:36:54 hi all Jul 31 07:36:54 eguy: you type in your sleep? Jul 31 07:37:36 the gdial pro app is defninetly going to help pre owners take advantage of google voice Jul 31 07:38:06 but i would also like to see a similar ip for calling with a skype out button Jul 31 07:39:01 ipkg -o /var update; ipkg -o /var upgrade; pkill LunaSysMgr Jul 31 07:39:51 be a little more simple just need the part for the dialing out (entering number and searching contacts) with auto fill of the skype out number and the pin if there is one then 2 (just like gv) then 1 (for international code for US) then number to dial Jul 31 07:40:15 anyone have the knoweldge on how to establish such a thing Jul 31 07:40:54 when using the gdial pro app using skype credentials works up until the dial portion since it is missing the 1 for international code... Jul 31 07:41:12 so if i include the 1 in front of the number before pressing dial it works fine Jul 31 07:41:21 oops Jul 31 07:41:23 i can't login the terminal Jul 31 07:41:26 I killed it Jul 31 07:41:36 no login prompt Jul 31 07:41:56 now it's working Jul 31 07:42:10 Zuchmir2: You don't have telepathy? Jul 31 07:44:00 i like it destinal Jul 31 07:44:06 the preferences page actually works Jul 31 07:44:14 Mine's dead "( Jul 31 07:44:18 tlz: yeah, prefs and new windows work Jul 31 07:44:34 Eguy-asleep: sorry, did you try rebooting just in case? Jul 31 07:45:07 in progress Jul 31 07:45:25 I'll let you know in 5 minutes when it gets back up :P Jul 31 07:45:57 heh, luna does take its sweet time about it on a pre Jul 31 07:46:03 eguy: you also having trouble upgrading? Jul 31 07:46:30 what are you all up to Jul 31 07:46:58 aha! destinal: reboot fixed it Jul 31 07:47:08 except I typed exit and it froze Jul 31 07:47:22 just throw away the card Jul 31 07:47:30 I did Jul 31 07:47:51 and a new one doesn't work? Jul 31 07:48:10 It works Jul 31 07:48:21 woohoo Prefs :D Jul 31 07:48:23 oh ok Jul 31 07:48:41 exit doesn't freeze it, it makes shell go buh-bye Jul 31 07:48:47 and nothing will come back in its place Jul 31 07:48:52 hmm rotation Jul 31 07:49:00 half the screen is white Jul 31 07:49:03 half terminal Jul 31 07:49:18 ooh ugly Jul 31 07:49:25 Eguy-asleep: good catch Jul 31 07:50:03 lemme look into that Jul 31 07:50:12 Working great otherwise Jul 31 07:50:34 I love not having to put my Pre in dev mode anymore Jul 31 07:52:14 Anyone see this?: http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/29/windows-7-activation-already-cracked-with-lenovos-oem-license-k/ LOL Jul 31 07:58:25 PuffTheMagic: looks like setTerminalHeight() is not being called, i will leave it for PuffTheMagic to deal with, he modified alot of code in the JS which i dont understand Jul 31 08:10:39 is Dimesacks here? Jul 31 09:19:26 Does anyone know if its possible to access linux on a non-activated phone? Jul 31 09:22:57 access linux ? as in acess the kerel ? Jul 31 09:23:05 *kernel Jul 31 09:38:38 yea Jul 31 09:38:50 "Rooting" it Jul 31 09:39:28 I installed 1.1 and it got stuck in a boot cycle so i webosdoc'd it and i need to root it so i can make it activate over wifi. Jul 31 09:40:10 I'm currently in Australia and, well... you see my problem. Jul 31 09:58:30 "Rooting" IT ?that like jailbreaking a iphone or something Jul 31 09:59:48 the PTerminal thing ? Jul 31 10:42:38 nick thatdude*work Jul 31 10:53:08 anyone up? Jul 31 10:55:43 Yep Jul 31 11:00:33 morning Jul 31 11:19:27 rwhitby: Hi! :) Jul 31 11:51:09 zodttd: g'day Jul 31 11:55:58 good morning Jul 31 12:00:12 atlanta: if greenfire1 shows up looking for me, can you please point him to the termplugin code in our git repo? I'm late for dinner in Tokyo. Jul 31 12:00:28 rwhitby: thanks man! Jul 31 12:00:38 there he goes Jul 31 12:00:39 lol Jul 31 12:00:57 did you get that greenfire1 Jul 31 12:01:14 i was after info on how to compile native linux apps to run on the emulator rather than the actual device. Jul 31 12:01:30 oh ok gotcha Jul 31 12:01:35 greenfire1: gitorious.org/webos-internals applications repo termplugin directory Jul 31 12:01:37 rwhitby: have fun with that Jul 31 12:01:46 rwhitby told me u cna do that with plain ubuntu gcc, which i hadnt tried Jul 31 12:02:07 thailand here i come in march Jul 31 12:02:41 greenfire1: or for optware, look in the platforms directory of optware on trac.nslu2-linux.org for the toolchain for i686g25 Jul 31 12:03:00 greenfire1: sorry, gotta go, I'll be back in a couple of hours Jul 31 12:03:22 rwhitby: thanks loads, bon appetit! Jul 31 12:03:48 buev prevecho Jul 31 12:03:54 buen** Jul 31 12:11:31 hello. Jul 31 12:11:41 hi. do I need developer mode enabled on the pre for novacom to work? I'm not able to do anything with palm-install if the pre is not in developer mode.. Jul 31 12:12:09 Could anyone please help me to build the service http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/trees/master/hello-service Jul 31 12:12:26 I cannot resove the import com.palm.luna.LSException; Jul 31 12:12:46 goodmorning all. I'm following the ddns update client ez-ipupdate, but dont know how to create a script in step 6. can anyone help? Jul 31 12:16:00 dodikk_: im not to good with it but have you read http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/hello-service/dist/README Jul 31 12:16:04 dunno how helpful it may be Jul 31 12:16:20 ron001: what you trying to do Jul 31 12:16:21 ? Jul 31 12:16:24 * dodikk[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away (Away from Keyboard) Jul 31 12:16:24 * dodikk_ is now away - Reason : Auto-Away (Away from Keyboard) Jul 31 12:17:03 step 6 says "Make this run whenever your ppp0 (EV-DO) IP address changes:" Jul 31 12:17:16 and "You can do this by adding a script to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d called 09update-ddns. Here are the contents of that /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/09update-ddns:: Jul 31 12:17:38 so, I'm guessing I have to edit the file ip-up.d with vi? Jul 31 12:17:57 * dodikk_ is no longer away : Gone for 1 minute 33 seconds Jul 31 12:18:35 send me a link to what you lookgin at Jul 31 12:18:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_ez-ipupdate Jul 31 12:19:43 wait, I see, ip-up.d is a folder not a file Jul 31 12:19:54 I need to make a script in that folder Jul 31 12:20:59 lol Jul 31 12:21:00 ok Jul 31 12:21:18 my linux is very limited Jul 31 12:21:32 I think I'm on it now, thanks! Jul 31 12:22:19 np Jul 31 12:23:45 btw Jul 31 12:23:49 /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/09update-ddns Jul 31 12:23:51 is a file Jul 31 12:24:06 /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ Jul 31 12:24:07 is the folder Jul 31 12:24:07 got that, I'm making it with vi now Jul 31 12:24:12 cool Jul 31 12:24:16 it didn't exist Jul 31 12:59:00 whats good Jul 31 13:00:44 I'm back. I have dyndns working, but cant log in with putty. When I ping my host name, it resolves the correct ip of my evdo connection, but times out. Any thoughts? Jul 31 13:00:56 heh Jul 31 13:01:06 yea Jul 31 13:01:23 /etc/events.d Jul 31 13:01:48 has dropbear/openssh initilization scripts, prolly need to open a firewall chain Jul 31 13:02:59 ote that the INADYN configuration listed there runs INADYN as a daemon so it continuously consumes memory. Jul 31 13:03:00 sounds logical. I must have missed that somewhere in the wiki Jul 31 13:03:11 How does it suck memory? Jul 31 13:03:16 just curious. Jul 31 13:03:39 i think it sucks less than push email, heh. Jul 31 13:06:19 I used gcc to build a native app on run it on the emulator ok. But now how do I display stuff on the screen ? Jul 31 13:07:28 set yhour pre on the desk and tell it "main screen turn on" you know you did it right when your pre says "its you" Jul 31 13:08:36 if any of you are familiar with webos dev (not internals) please see my question in the other channel haha Jul 31 13:08:41 have to track you down like dogs :D Jul 31 13:52:15 someone feel like lending a hand? http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=825&p=3072#p3072 Jul 31 13:53:32 is this exclusive to the iFale? http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/hackers-iphone-apple-technology-security-hackers.html Jul 31 13:57:41 * oc80z lookie Jul 31 14:00:17 greenfire1: did you find what you needed? Jul 31 14:05:30 ShadeS: I've not heard of anything like that for the Pre Jul 31 14:05:39 but I suppose it's conceivable Jul 31 14:06:32 well I figured since, it's like, very damn similiar (I can't say that with any certainty as I haven't looked at the code specifically) Jul 31 14:07:08 morning Jul 31 14:09:16 yup yup Jul 31 14:09:20 i was gunnna read that jc Jul 31 14:09:28 but then i opened facebook :/ Jul 31 14:29:31 so confused Jul 31 14:29:34 i hate javascript Jul 31 14:29:51 blau-mikeDG: javascript is much nicer if you use something like jquery Jul 31 14:31:25 so im trying to use the NotesModel class form the notes app Jul 31 14:31:47 and for some reason, when I include it in my app, the methods of the class, dont get created Jul 31 14:32:07 mrvc: ping Jul 31 14:32:11  sudo rm -rf / Jul 31 14:32:15 whoops wrong window Jul 31 14:32:32 there is a right window for that? Jul 31 14:32:46 i700plus: binutils 2.19 wont even let you do that Jul 31 14:32:59 :P i was told it makes my peecee faster!! Jul 31 14:33:11 same at del system32! Jul 31 14:33:27 ive done rm -rf * Jul 31 14:33:27 i700plus: dd if=/dev/input/mice of=/dev/sda Jul 31 14:33:46 i try not to do rm -rf **, though Jul 31 14:34:36 aah the beauty of linux Jul 31 14:34:43 the methods of this class dont exist after i sent it as a parameter Jul 31 14:34:43 wtf Jul 31 14:36:07 maybe its a security thing? Jul 31 14:36:31 pushscene strips functions out of a cross app push? Jul 31 14:38:03 I noticed that doom will not run through the current version of terminal, it freezes the pre and needs a battery pull Jul 31 14:38:18 imagine that Jul 31 14:38:52 but probably not a battery pull is req'd Jul 31 14:38:59 hold power button & toggle ringer switch 3 times Jul 31 14:39:45 yeah that works too, im so used to doing the orange+sym+R Jul 31 14:39:58 orange sym r is a reboot? Jul 31 14:40:13 yep Jul 31 14:40:13 yep Jul 31 14:40:19 ah wish i knew that before Jul 31 14:40:32 a no prompt icon to rebot seems dangerous Jul 31 14:40:34 dont wanna wear out my switch! lol Jul 31 14:40:39 you can also get the quick marks app and put a reset button in launcher Jul 31 14:40:52 you can also /opt/sbin/reset Jul 31 14:40:55 gkat: yeah thats what i made Jul 31 14:41:05 ah, lol Jul 31 14:41:10 but it doesnt really work as well as the ringer switch trick, Jul 31 14:41:35 or just type reboot, or throw the ting Jul 31 14:41:38 *thing Jul 31 14:41:39 blau-mikeDG: ahaha, sorry, didnt put the two dg's together, lol Jul 31 14:41:44 lol :) Jul 31 14:42:04 blau-mikeDG: there should be a way to get rid of the launcher buttons once created Jul 31 14:42:04 im trying to add a few more new shortcuts but am hitting some issues :((( Jul 31 14:43:05 i need to add a test button too, so you can test a shortcut before creating it Jul 31 14:44:14 so i herd u liek mudkipz? Jul 31 14:44:33 i heard you like updog Jul 31 14:44:59 so i heard you like iJustine.... Jul 31 14:56:29 hello Jul 31 14:58:54 hello Jul 31 15:16:10 pretty quiet bunch. Jul 31 15:31:39 Is this more of a homebrew channel or webos also? Jul 31 15:31:54 webos internals Jul 31 15:32:36 if you're insterested in homebrew, it depends on how deep in webos you're going Jul 31 15:32:45 but it might be more appropriate at #webos Jul 31 15:32:55 but feel free to ask. Jul 31 15:33:07 'cause there's a huge amount of overlap. Jul 31 15:33:20 true Jul 31 15:33:26 bmyers Jul 31 15:33:36 I'm stuck on changing my carrier string. I can't seem to find what to edit in the bar-assistant.js lines. Jul 31 15:33:41 and MOST of us on this channel are also on that channel Jul 31 15:33:47 Could someone help? Jul 31 15:34:20 im having a crappyu homebrew issue now Jul 31 15:35:30 Abyssul you're doing this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Change_Carrier_String Jul 31 15:36:10 Indeed Jul 31 15:36:51 Im stuck at where you edit the lines in the file, I don't understand exactly what to edit. Jul 31 15:38:49 right Jul 31 15:39:05 rick: any idea if cross app scene pushes prohibit the parameters having functions? Jul 31 15:39:20 2 minutes blau-mikeDG Jul 31 15:39:35 Abyssul you're trying to edit /usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js Jul 31 15:39:37 right? Jul 31 15:39:39 abyss: did you do VI filename? Jul 31 15:39:41 yes Jul 31 15:39:45 Yes Jul 31 15:40:00 Im at line 429 as intended Jul 31 15:40:00 when that opens hit / Jul 31 15:40:00 then type Sprint Jul 31 15:40:00 and hit enter Jul 31 15:40:00 ok. ok Jul 31 15:40:20 do you have version 1.1.0 of webos Jul 31 15:40:23 and do you see $('carrier).innerHTML= this.carrier.text Jul 31 15:40:26 Yes Jul 31 15:40:47 mmhmm Jul 31 15:40:56 Yes there are three lines like that - I had good luck using that wiki page Jul 31 15:41:16 because if you don't see that, you're not on the right line. Jul 31 15:41:17 i dont understand why the wiki doesnt tell you to just edit this.carrierText? Jul 31 15:41:31 blau - so it's reversable? Jul 31 15:41:52 someone needs to make a PATCH Jul 31 15:41:52 or say comment it out then edit it Jul 31 15:42:17 blau-mikeDG: It gets overwritten on each function Jul 31 15:42:29 Abyssul are we confusing you? Jul 31 15:42:43 hospit: oh ok Jul 31 15:42:44 Not at all. I think I understand now. I was reading the wiki page wrong Jul 31 15:42:56 Ill make my edits, and give you my results :) Jul 31 15:42:58 blau-mikeDG: Some of the functions use this.carriertext to show errors and no-service messages Jul 31 15:43:17 you're going to ccomment out the 3 lines with this.carrier.text and insert three lines with whatever you want instead. Jul 31 15:43:29 ok, blau-mikeDG what was it you were asking a moment ago? Jul 31 15:43:42 rick: any idea if cross app scene pushes prohibit the parameters having functions? Jul 31 15:43:44 i'm just getting started in webos so i was just wondering. Thanks! Jul 31 15:43:50 Does this help - this is how my line looks $('carrier').innerHTML = $L("TimKukler"); Jul 31 15:44:23 example stageController.pushScene({ appId :'com.palm.app.notes', name: 'note' }, { position: 'a', color:'yellow', model : notes }); Jul 31 15:44:24 Jul 31 15:44:54 notes is new NotesModel(); and has a handful of function in it and a few objects Jul 31 15:45:32 it has those functions in it, until it is received by tha scene, then it appears to be empty except for the few objects Jul 31 15:54:07 Ha, I got it to work Jul 31 15:54:09 Thanks guys Jul 31 15:54:32 Now to modify the phone app string, then Apply Patches Jul 31 15:55:27 blau-mikeDG I don't think you can pass a function Jul 31 15:55:35 unless.... Jul 31 15:55:51 where is the function defined? is it in the scene's assistant, or is the function in the app-assistant? Jul 31 15:57:56 its in the object names notes Jul 31 15:58:25 but what js file is it defined in blau-mikeDG? Jul 31 15:58:42 a notes-model.js thats located in the notes package Jul 31 15:58:56 the memo app palm included Jul 31 15:58:58 the built in webOS notes? Jul 31 15:58:59 ahh Jul 31 15:59:01 sorry. Jul 31 15:59:03 i tried copying it to my local directory, same issue too Jul 31 15:59:11 ok Jul 31 15:59:13 got it. Jul 31 15:59:32 try instantiating the object BEFORE you push your first scene. Jul 31 15:59:46 rick: already doing that Jul 31 15:59:49 That way, the object is persistant as you move from scene to scene Jul 31 15:59:56 well, it was a good idea.... :-/ Jul 31 16:00:18 the object exists in the scene that gets pushed, and it has a this.db var in it thats fine before and after Jul 31 16:00:24 i found that doing console.log Jul 31 16:00:44 but doing console.log before the push on this.saveNote shows a function Jul 31 16:00:50 doing it in the pushed scene shows undefined Jul 31 16:01:11 blau-mikeDG yes, but does the object (including the functions) exist before you push the FIRST scene that's resulting in the second scene being pushed? Jul 31 16:01:36 the scene is being pushed in my appassistant after i create a new stage Jul 31 16:01:48 yes. Jul 31 16:01:57 and when is the notes object being created? Jul 31 16:02:40 or let me put this another way. Can you make the notes object belong to the appassistant instead of the scene? Jul 31 16:03:02 and just pass the NAME of the object.... Jul 31 16:03:22 so that the second scene can refer to appassistant.passednotes.xxxxxx Jul 31 16:03:35 and passednotes just sits in the appassistant always Jul 31 16:04:30 i dont wanna modify the second scene Jul 31 16:04:46 ause then i cant distribute the app since itll contain palm code Jul 31 16:05:14 but that's my point. Jul 31 16:05:36 you're successfully calling the palm notes thing... Right? in the first scene. Jul 31 16:05:36 Yay, my custom dialer theme has been downloaded 57 times :D lol Jul 31 16:05:51 Abyssul Did you post it to the wiki? Jul 31 16:06:06 Yep a week ago Jul 31 16:06:10 im calling that as the first scene basically Jul 31 16:06:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Edit_Dialer_Theme Jul 31 16:07:44 fuck i screwed something up now totally Jul 31 16:07:45 ok. so, if the object exists in the first scene, and you're doing a cross-app push of the second scene, are you creating a new stage with a callback to the first scene? Jul 31 16:08:47 :( Jul 31 16:08:52 sorry Jul 31 16:09:08 did you push the previous to you vcs? Jul 31 16:09:54 yeah Jul 31 16:09:59 fixed Jul 31 16:10:11 vcs good. Jul 31 16:10:27 Rick love vcs. Rick idiot and screw up lots. Jul 31 16:11:41 i created a new stage in app assistant, with a callback, in the callback i call the pushscene to the cross app push Jul 31 16:11:49 that i pasted above Jul 31 16:12:07 Mike Arrington of Tech Crunch quits the iPhone? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/BhNBBrjUvlc/ Actually says something good about the Pre fro a change. Jul 31 16:12:26 in app assistant before the new stage i creates the news notesmodel, in the callback i did a console.log(on the function) and it existed Jul 31 16:13:12 blau-mikeDG but when you try to display it in the scene, there's nothing there. Jul 31 16:13:48 when i do console.log(on the function) its undefined in the new scene Jul 31 16:13:58 nodnod. Jul 31 16:13:59 but all the non function objects in the objects i passed exist Jul 31 16:14:07 right Jul 31 16:14:11 so it stripped them. Jul 31 16:14:11 so somehow it seems to be losing functions Jul 31 16:14:46 maybe ill try the developer forums Jul 31 16:14:50 :( Jul 31 16:15:02 i dont know what forum to post Jul 31 16:15:39 api i guess Jul 31 16:17:12 blau-mikeDG yes, api I think Jul 31 16:17:22 but I would do a test before you do that. Jul 31 16:17:46 define a simple function and an object with that function and a static property Jul 31 16:17:54 and put it in your app assistant Jul 31 16:17:57 and try to pass that Jul 31 16:18:10 so you're distinguishing between passing a function and passing the mojo notes thing. Jul 31 16:18:57 ok Jul 31 16:19:09 but I suspect the answer is what you already suspect.... that you're going to have to re-instantiate the note object and pass all the info as parameters to the scene..... Jul 31 16:22:58 think im gonna have to write my own note editor :( Jul 31 16:23:12 sorry guy Jul 31 16:23:19 i suppose it is a good architecture they came up with Jul 31 16:23:29 for the note app Jul 31 16:23:51 this was all for quickcut :( Jul 31 16:23:58 yeah, but you want YOUR notes associated with your app, right? Jul 31 16:24:05 rick: nope Jul 31 16:24:15 oh Jul 31 16:24:17 i want a quick way to add a new note to the existing note app Jul 31 16:24:19 :-( Jul 31 16:24:23 oh Jul 31 16:24:38 i wanted a generic way, but i think i can hack together my own way :( Jul 31 16:24:45 then why not just instantiate the call to notes each time you need it? Jul 31 16:25:02 rick, theres no new note call to the memo app Jul 31 16:25:15 i dotn want to have to open the memos app then click the new note button Jul 31 16:25:19 i just want a shortcut thats new note Jul 31 16:25:40 oh Jul 31 16:27:19 its a usability thing for me Jul 31 16:27:57 i added new notes, way more often than i look over all my notes Jul 31 16:56:37 i'm having trouble with my ssh connection and i'm wondering if this is the right place to ask for advice. Jul 31 16:57:38 bzhou * r10518 optware/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): mxml: uclibc platforms stay at 2.5, lack of spawn.h Jul 31 16:59:04 ask away Jul 31 16:59:43 I use ssh2 into the Pre over Dropbear Jul 31 17:00:13 egaudet, thanks. i have successfully connected to my pre's linux command line etc..... Jul 31 17:01:14 but after i turn of dev mode and try to connect over wifi, i get a connection but then within a minute it slows down and then disconnects Jul 31 17:01:18 patm: Check the putty settings compared to this page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Putty Jul 31 17:01:28 You need to enable keepalives at least - this page will help you Jul 31 17:01:59 patm: or plug it in. It'll stay stable and fast when plugged in. Jul 31 17:02:02 ok i can try putty. i'm currently using securecrt Jul 31 17:03:30 i've set securecrt to send a noop every 30 seconds Jul 31 17:04:34 Also you can modify the sleep timer from 3 minutes to 30 minutes too. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_the_%22Turn_off_after_X%22_time Jul 31 17:04:42 also if the web browser makes a request my securecrt connection will often perk up Jul 31 17:05:35 FreeTim3, i've done that hack; added 1 and 4 hour choices Jul 31 17:09:29 Excellent... hopefully that keep-alive does trick for you, it worked for me Jul 31 17:09:46 ...currently working on Putty setup... Jul 31 17:23:56 ok, i have successfully logged in using Putty but i'm getting the same behavior as with SecureCRT: login, get the prompt, issue a couple of commands which respond quickly, then it gets sluggish/unresponsive Jul 31 17:24:28 is your screen going black on the pre when it goes sluggish/unresponsive Jul 31 17:24:42 patm: are you plugged in or on battery? Jul 31 17:25:11 i700plus: no, it's set to stay on Jul 31 17:25:17 t3rmin: on battery Jul 31 17:25:17 hmm Jul 31 17:25:21 wifi or evdo connection? Jul 31 17:25:28 patm: try plugging in. something is going to sleep on you. Jul 31 17:25:52 i700plus: wifi Jul 31 17:26:05 worst case senario you could try changing your ssh port, when mine was set to 222 it caused some problems with disconnecting Jul 31 17:26:36 t3rmin: yeah, it does seem to work fine when i'm plugged in Jul 31 17:26:47 and you have no internet intensive apps running like pandora or anything, not that it should matter. Jul 31 17:26:59 i700plus: can i just use port 22? Jul 31 17:27:30 im not sure if you would want to use a port that low, i think thats reserved for somthing else, i use 443 Jul 31 17:27:31 wifi goes off when the device sleeps Jul 31 17:27:55 i dont think its a port issue though but it may be Jul 31 17:27:56 you can increase the time to keep the device on, play some mp3, or plug it in Jul 31 17:28:44 egaudet_: yeah, i've done the "keep it on longer" hack so it stays on for up to 4 hours Jul 31 17:29:13 and your using putty on a windows box? Jul 31 17:29:18 pathm: You can use port 22 but if you're not using ssh, you're transmitting your root password in cleartext over your wifi Jul 31 17:29:20 i700plus: port 22 is the standary ssh port Jul 31 17:29:51 or another os? Jul 31 17:29:51 whats 443 for? Jul 31 17:29:51 FreeTim3: i'm using dropbear Jul 31 17:29:55 i hope nothing else because i used that lol! Jul 31 17:30:16 443 is for https connections Jul 31 17:30:34 dropbear supports ssh-2 on port 222 ... it's what I'm using works fine Jul 31 17:30:50 i've tried Putty and SecureCRT and i'm on a windows xp box Jul 31 17:31:35 fun stuff i just found Jul 31 17:31:43 you can use the js from a scene from another app Jul 31 17:31:48 youjust have to recreate the views though Jul 31 17:32:17 right. I'm on WindowsXP too, where I use putty onto the pre with Dropbear on it Jul 31 17:32:53 hmm. just thinking.. the pre's on wifi but my laptop is plugged in; same net connection though Jul 31 17:33:57 same here... windows XP plugged in with Pre on the wifi... what are you seeing Jul 31 17:34:51 patm: did you enable keepalives from the putty page Jul 31 17:36:08 yes, set to 30 Jul 31 17:45:43 I have a question. I can log into my pre fine with putty using my pre's wifi ip, but if I try and use my ddns, it times out. I know the ddns script on the pre is working as its updated on the dyndns website. Any ideas? Jul 31 17:47:01 when you ping the host locally do you get the same IP as shown in the device info on the Pre Jul 31 17:47:20 That is, test it to see if the name is resolving to the correct IP address locally Jul 31 17:48:11 when I ping it locally, it gives the correct ip, but it times out on response via the evdo connection. Jul 31 17:48:52 mine doesnt pin either but it works over EVDO i think its because of the built in firewall Jul 31 17:49:10 I think there is an optional line in /opt/etc/ipupdate.conf Jul 31 17:49:23 I will go take a look on mine to see what I have in there and let u know Jul 31 17:49:28 ok Jul 31 17:49:30 yes -eth0 Jul 31 17:49:44 delete this on both lines Jul 31 17:49:56 it may be called wifi0 Jul 31 17:50:14 I don't understand how knowing my evdo ip will help connect via wifi Jul 31 17:55:13 Yep I don't either - but enabling it made it work on wifi Jul 31 17:55:32 cheezeburger network Jul 31 17:56:00 zomg, this was horrible but i finally got it working Jul 31 17:56:00 sigh Jul 31 17:56:07 o rly Jul 31 17:58:20 so I'm going to try to get the terminal going on my pre, reading the wiki it says to create /var/etc/ipkg Jul 31 17:58:29 is that correct (not /opt/etc/ipkg) Jul 31 17:58:39 I can't get ddns to connect me though Jul 31 17:59:26 hm on step6 test your settings, did that work for you Jul 31 17:59:59 can you do this - should show the resulting output that it sends to dyndns - cat /opt/var/run/ez-ipupdate.cache Jul 31 18:00:26 result should be a timestamp and ip - like 1249054905,174.147.93.238 Jul 31 18:00:30 that works Jul 31 18:01:02 ddns is updating as ip is correct on ping so it is keeping it up to date Jul 31 18:01:50 is the IP consistant with the Ip shown in the Wifi application? Jul 31 18:02:19 oh ok. good you're halfway home right :) so when you ping that hostname from your windowsXP is it the correct IP ? Jul 31 18:03:19 yes Jul 31 18:04:12 ok. So it sounds like dynDNS is working ok for you. NOw you just need to work out the port/ protocol settings to match your client to the pre Jul 31 18:04:13 yes to the latter question, I'm not sure I understand the first Jul 31 18:04:48 the first - go to Launcher, Wifi... select the "checked" connection and it shows the IP number in the detail Jul 31 18:04:52 ok, like I said, if I enter my pre's lan IP, I can connect fine Jul 31 18:05:41 ok, done Jul 31 18:05:55 ok. if you can connecct fine by IP, but cannot connect by hostname then it's a windowsXP dns issue, but, you said WindowsXP can ping the hostname and get the right IP ? Jul 31 18:06:23 its vista 32, but yes, pinging the hostname works and gives the correct ip Jul 31 18:06:24 I mean drop to a command prompt on the windowsXP, and type ping yourhostname.here.com - it should match the IP on the pre Jul 31 18:06:35 it does Jul 31 18:06:49 I wonder if its my work firewall, we run through astaro Jul 31 18:07:22 OK. and connecting by IP works and connecting by hostname doesn't work. Strange. You're using Putty? right? Putty uses windows to resolve the hostname so it's strange... Jul 31 18:07:38 most likely my work uses websense the only port that is not blocked was 443 that i found to use, try that Jul 31 18:07:41 yes, yes and yes Jul 31 18:08:38 or I can have IT open 222 for me ;) Jul 31 18:09:13 i WORK in it at my company and cant even get them to do that!!! its political here :( Jul 31 18:09:16 Mojo.Controller.StageController.indicateNewContent(hasNew) yum Jul 31 18:09:26 although wtf at palm Jul 31 18:09:26 but, it works on port 222 - so it is already open - just doesn't work by hostname Jul 31 18:09:37 Mojo.Controller.StageController.indicateNewContent(hasNew) Jul 31 18:09:37 Makes the core navi button pulsate if true. This is mainly intended to alert the user to dashboard events that desire user attention. Jul 31 18:09:37 is a hottible desc Jul 31 18:10:02 blau0mikeDG how do we enable this!!! Jul 31 18:10:24 but if my pc and my pre are both on the lan, I'm not going through the firewall, am I? Jul 31 18:10:30 its a stagecontroller method Jul 31 18:10:40 looks like you just tell it true Jul 31 18:10:44 i havent tested it Jul 31 18:10:54 @ron plus it works by IP directly so it can't be firewall Jul 31 18:11:24 but its a lan IP, not the evdo ip Jul 31 18:12:47 ok but, you can connect by IP so it cannot be firewall. The only difference is that when connecting by hostname it doesn't work. Even though WindowsXP resolves the hostname to the same IP that you can connect on, when you use IP directly. Jul 31 18:13:10 I blame the Gnomes, because otherwise it's a sticky problem for sure. Jul 31 18:14:00 but its the pre's evdo ip that is resolved via ddns, not the wan ip that my wifi is connected to, does that matter? Jul 31 18:14:28 Yes totally matters. Should return the wifi IP, at least that's how mine does Jul 31 18:14:49 now that makes sense Jul 31 18:15:17 its a setting in my ipupdate script Jul 31 18:15:38 its using the wrong controller Jul 31 18:19:32 you might compare with /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear to see which connection is or isn't blocked. I remoed the -i eth0 in order to enable ssh access over wifi Jul 31 18:25:07 optware-dropbear is a script? My linux is very limited Jul 31 18:25:15 can I view it with vi Jul 31 18:26:00 or cat optware-dropbear Jul 31 18:26:19 mrvc: ping Jul 31 18:27:24 you can cat /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear or use vi to edit Jul 31 18:28:18 this is the file where you define the port (222) for dropbear Jul 31 18:29:05 can you run webosdoctor in ubuntu? Jul 31 18:29:26 exec /opt/sbin/dropbear -g -F -p 222 Jul 31 18:29:31 egaudet_: yes Jul 31 18:30:08 wine will do it? Jul 31 18:30:13 @ron: yes, on mine I edited the pre-start script section too, to remove the -i eth0 on two lines Jul 31 18:30:14 ok. so if it doesn't work, that's it the phone is bricked? Jul 31 18:30:40 i came back to my pc and webosdoctor had an error, device disconnected. the pre has the palm logo on it and doing nothing Jul 31 18:30:55 try it again Jul 31 18:30:59 it did that to me too Jul 31 18:31:05 can someone tell me what to do with an ipk if i dont have the sdk? im ssh into it right now but dont know if i can just place the file in apps folder cuz they seem to contain more than this Jul 31 18:31:26 @FreeTim3 this? /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true Jul 31 18:31:49 webosdoctor doesn't detect phone anymore Jul 31 18:32:01 its already rooted and im in the ssh connect right now i just dont know where to place filecoaster so i can avoid the damn process Jul 31 18:32:07 @ron Yes mine says /usr/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT || /bin/true Jul 31 18:32:19 should i remove battery? Jul 31 18:32:21 and similar on the following line minus the || /bin/true Jul 31 18:32:27 egaudet_: did you check the wiki and try the firmware reboot thing Jul 31 18:32:38 cool, I will try that shortly, i thought that was just for evdo access Jul 31 18:32:59 oh i'll try that right now, thanks Jul 31 18:33:12 anyone1 wanna help? Jul 31 18:33:38 @ron - I agree it should be...for me, my wifi didn't work until I fixed those two lines Jul 31 18:33:43 thanks much FreeTim3 Jul 31 18:33:52 egaudet_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Jul 31 18:34:37 You're welcome man. I will try to add some troubleshooting to the wiki for connecting via wifi to Pre Jul 31 18:35:25 hmmm i see usb logo on my pre now Jul 31 18:35:27 hey anyone wanna tell me please how to install the ipk Jul 31 18:35:43 egaudet_: see if the webosdoctor works now Jul 31 18:35:58 anyone want to look into the camera app with me? Jul 31 18:36:13 trying to figure out how to pass params into it to do a command line capture. Jul 31 18:36:31 i think this is covered on the wiki Jul 31 18:36:37 it's not Jul 31 18:37:02 Harold: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Installing_An_Ipk Jul 31 18:37:14 ok so it started running again Jul 31 18:37:18 look at the page again. it just covers a hypothetical Jul 31 18:37:24 i c Jul 31 18:37:25 and ran for a little, then "phone disconnected" click ok to try again Jul 31 18:37:39 well click it Jul 31 18:37:40 lol Jul 31 18:38:08 I hit ok and it tells me to connect my pre Jul 31 18:38:15 but next button is not available Jul 31 18:38:31 try the battery trick again Jul 31 18:38:37 i would just keep trying that till it works Jul 31 18:39:20 k, i'll keep at it. the pre has a defective speaker anyway so i need to return it to bestbuy anyway. Jul 31 18:39:36 ah ok so it doesnt matter if you brick it Jul 31 18:40:47 I wonder whether it would be enough to do the hardest reset it supports (whatever that is, from Device Info) Jul 31 18:41:28 right but this is good for future reference Jul 31 18:41:40 xalbo: it only deletes settings that can be modified from the non rooted pre Jul 31 18:42:05 xalbo: tried that and it still had alot of my stuff there Jul 31 18:42:15 ok Jul 31 18:42:26 forget this Jul 31 18:42:39 whoa i just unplugged usb after it said disconnected again from the webosdoctor, and it is back up Jul 31 18:42:48 copying files over to the mac... Jul 31 18:42:52 instead Jul 31 18:43:36 egaudet_: fixed? Jul 31 18:43:38 and it didn't do anything to it Jul 31 18:43:49 im still where i was with it (i.e. optware etc...) Jul 31 18:44:40 do you think they would give problems if i returned it to bestbuy with optware and the like installed? Jul 31 18:44:46 so the firstuse app on the pre takes up 11MB Jul 31 18:45:00 lots of mem for an app run only once Jul 31 18:45:16 i dont think they would care they probally just send it back to palm Jul 31 18:45:42 but i would try to do a webosdoctor reset just to get the contacts and shit off the phone Jul 31 18:45:44 they wouldnt even notice Jul 31 18:46:01 egaud: whats wrong with your phone Jul 31 18:46:02 yea definitely Jul 31 18:46:15 you can delete the palm db probably to help clear a lot of data Jul 31 18:46:19 i'm gonna keep trying... mike, my speaker i think is defective Jul 31 18:46:27 it has a lot of static whenever i play anything on it Jul 31 18:46:55 does webosdoctor require dev mode off? Jul 31 18:47:16 no Jul 31 18:48:23 ok i'm gonna grab some food and try again, thanks for all the help. i shall return Jul 31 19:00:15 so this method sucs cause i have too reproduce every fucking image the memos app uses :( Jul 31 19:07:08 oh here's something interesting Jul 31 19:07:19 GPS-ACCURACY-METER Jul 31 19:07:22 in the camera app Jul 31 19:09:05 you can turn on so that it records your location into the pic when you take it Jul 31 19:12:08 is there a way to sniff the dbus? Jul 31 19:15:24 jauderho: google dbus introspection Jul 31 19:15:31 but there isnt really any point to that Jul 31 19:15:53 all the calls any of the apps make are clear text in the app code Jul 31 19:16:05 you could pretty much grep for palm:// Jul 31 19:16:45 hmm Jul 31 19:16:55 I'm just a little confused by reading the camera code Jul 31 19:17:06 there should be a way to pass a param in that sez "capture Jul 31 19:22:51 question about logins: i'm having problems with unreliable ssh connections; when i do a 'who' on the command line i see 15 logins for myself listed. they stay there even after i reboot the pre. thoughts? Jul 31 19:26:09 hai hai Jul 31 19:29:35 patm: weird. My ssh connection from yesterday is there too (I've rebooted). Jul 31 19:35:57 Question...When I log in with putty via wifi under the username I made as instructed in the Next Steps section, shouldn't I be able to sudo -i to gain root privilages? I get an error. Jul 31 19:42:05 patm: something is not writing to utmp/wtmp correctly Jul 31 19:42:11 they aren't still running, just in the log Jul 31 19:44:13 tmzt: do you think this could be related to problems with ssh connections? whenever i establish a connection it only lasts for a minute or so then dies. Jul 31 19:44:26 maybe Jul 31 19:52:57 patm: over wifi and with the Pre plugged in to a power source? Jul 31 19:54:48 over wifi; behavior is the same whether or not plugged in Jul 31 19:54:57 any terminal devs here? Jul 31 19:55:02 got a little bug report Jul 31 20:02:20 well maybe they'll see this in the logs: Jul 31 20:02:41 running vim and using "arrow keys" works, but prints escape-sequence looking stuff also Jul 31 20:03:18 this is with 0.1.6 Jul 31 20:03:26 .6? is that from git? Jul 31 20:03:59 I have syntax color on if that makes a difference Jul 31 20:04:37 it's the release version, not git Jul 31 20:07:36 hmm. I thought the latest release was .5 Jul 31 20:08:04 0.1.6 this morning Jul 31 20:08:19 irc client scrolling is fixed, tho! Jul 31 20:08:23 cool Jul 31 20:16:23 Irc clinet? Jul 31 20:17:24 t3rmin: what's your $TERM? Jul 31 20:17:39 "linux" I think Jul 31 20:17:41 let me check Jul 31 20:18:35 yup, "linux" Jul 31 20:18:59 I removed the set TERM line from /etc/profile Jul 31 20:19:06 ssh from xterm is much happier that way Jul 31 20:21:03 landscape seems broken in .6 Jul 31 20:21:11 it is (they know) Jul 31 20:21:18 ah Jul 31 20:21:29 much improved othereise Jul 31 20:21:41 Tlp: Funny I am rebooting after just installing .6 and I read that. Jul 31 20:21:58 no need to change TERM for irssi Jul 31 20:24:00 sounds like i need to upgrade my terminal Jul 31 20:24:19 is it in any repo? Jul 31 20:31:22 if you installed it using recent wiki instructions, you should just be able to issue the ipkg update commands listed on the wiki. Jul 31 21:12:51 Where can I sign up to receive Quilt (git modifications) commits Jul 31 21:13:55 I think rwhitby has to authorize it Jul 31 21:14:11 I don't need commit access, I just want commit notifications Jul 31 21:14:15 or give you access, rather Jul 31 21:14:41 ohhh sorry misread that Jul 31 21:14:59 hopspitfire do you have a gitorious login? Jul 31 21:15:14 Nope Jul 31 21:15:21 you have to make one first. Jul 31 21:15:23 than I can add you Jul 31 21:15:38 assuming that's the repository you want notifications about. Jul 31 21:16:06 Yeah, that's the one. I'll make an account. Jul 31 21:17:36 Rick_: I signed up under the same nick. Jul 31 21:23:50 done Jul 31 21:24:21 You the man, Rick :) Thanks Jul 31 21:28:30 I don't see how to tell it to notify you of commits tho. Jul 31 21:28:53 d Jul 31 21:29:13 in from irssi at defcon Jul 31 21:29:33 rick: how goes the battle? Jul 31 21:29:41 That's fine, I can write a quick perl script to send me the page changes Jul 31 21:30:11 destinal I spent the last 5 hours arguing with my isp to turn internet back on Jul 31 21:30:25 got turned off due to reports from 3 spam honeypot services. Jul 31 21:30:26 :-( Jul 31 21:30:39 rick: wow wtf? Jul 31 21:30:45 searching for the freaking zombied machine on my net. Jul 31 21:30:48 can't find anything Jul 31 21:31:17 installed wireshark. Now have all non-fileserver non port 80 traffic moving into a 250 meg ring buffer. If it happens,I'll find it. Jul 31 21:52:02 Hello ladies Jul 31 21:52:15 How is everyone doing? Jul 31 21:52:40 thatdude: ladies? there are ladies here? Jul 31 21:52:43 * gkatsev looks around Jul 31 21:53:51 gkatsev: hmmm, guess not. Hahaha! Jul 31 21:54:34 * Rick_ going home Jul 31 21:56:39 * gkatsev goes to partay all night long Jul 31 21:58:28 whoever did Terminal gets serious kudos, well done. Jul 31 22:04:47 hello? Jul 31 23:00:03 * Lurking_Grue drops pin. Jul 31 23:16:34 hopspitfire: do you have commit privs at gitorious? Jul 31 23:17:08 hopspitfire: oh, you want notifications Jul 31 23:18:07 hopspitfire: once we move from gitorious.org to git.webos-internals.org, we will have CIA notifications working, and then you can see the commits here in channel, but also be able to get an RSS feed from http://cia.vc/ Jul 31 23:20:27 rwhitby: Ah okay. I can set up a git server if you want Jul 31 23:20:53 hopspitfire: it's already set up Jul 31 23:21:24 just have to gather everyone's ssh keys, and push to the new server Jul 31 23:21:53 (but I want to put the CIA notify script in place first, since that's the whole reason I'm doing this) Jul 31 23:23:04 Yeah, that seems very practical Jul 31 23:51:17 how do i do a hard resit on a palm centrno Jul 31 23:51:31 insert battery while holding the power button Jul 31 23:52:24 ok Jul 31 23:55:36 \will that reset it to the settingwhen i got it Jul 31 23:55:50 i want to remove everting i put on it Jul 31 23:56:13 becse i installed stuff that dont work Jul 31 23:57:54 yes Aug 01 00:27:19 ok, there has to be a way to show the bg with apps open. Aug 01 00:27:25 am I just etarded? Aug 01 00:27:37 the 'expose' mode is close. Aug 01 00:27:44 but I mean like 'minimize all cards' Aug 01 00:30:25 hey guys. in what directory are the app-store apps located? Aug 01 00:32:01 /var/usr/palm/applications Aug 01 00:34:07 really, no minimize cards magic? Aug 01 00:38:56 thanks. another question. do I still need to 'root' the pre even though im using the sdk? Aug 01 00:39:51 bzhou * r10519 optware/trunk/make/less.mk: less: 429 -> 436 Aug 01 00:45:00 yes you do Speeder Aug 01 00:45:17 well dev mode not root. Aug 01 00:56:10 what do i do? (trying to find a guide...) i did the optware and quilt installed Aug 01 00:57:00 (and I did it via novacom tty) Aug 01 01:05:25 hah with no cards open, it says i can't open my calendar because too many are open Aug 01 01:07:45 lol yeah Robi...thankfully I have not had that message in the past month Aug 01 01:07:54 My Pre does get quite laggy at times though Aug 01 01:09:46 dd you do cpu scale Aug 01 01:10:31 can you turn it off? Aug 01 01:10:35 i didn't know it was scaling Aug 01 01:10:38 didn't have cpufreq Aug 01 01:10:49 i think it just needs preempt Aug 01 01:11:03 my friend has a g1, 1/2 the clockspeed in the same processor with less ram Aug 01 01:11:08 and it's snappier. Aug 01 01:11:13 because it's PREEMPT Aug 01 01:11:37 negatory on the cpu scaler Aug 01 01:11:40 too buggy Aug 01 01:12:03 I just used a G1 for the first time (I mean really used it) and I did notice it was just as laggy as the Pre Aug 01 01:12:19 hrm, my friends seems less laggy. Aug 01 01:12:38 Launching apps is much quicker though Aug 01 01:12:39 anyway, PREEMPT has to be giving it a boost to even keep up, i think. Aug 01 01:13:06 i dunno why they don't go preempt + rtlinux on such devices. Aug 01 01:14:22 preempt? Aug 01 01:14:45 rtlinux? Aug 01 01:14:49 !define Aug 01 01:16:12 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=preempt Aug 01 01:16:35 it's a kernel option. Aug 01 01:16:47 uh Aug 01 01:16:50 makes desktop apps faster, with X. i don't know what it takes to support it. Aug 01 01:16:57 im not googling now Aug 01 01:16:57 tyvm Aug 01 01:17:00 so perhaps it is not of any use to nova Aug 01 01:17:04 im watching the game and easting a pizza Aug 01 01:17:08 DONT MESS WITH M RED SOX Aug 01 01:17:18 Red Sox suck Aug 01 01:17:23 hail sucks. Aug 01 01:17:25 it's hailing here. Aug 01 01:17:26 hard. Aug 01 01:17:33 Aug 01 01:17:34 It's very hot here Aug 01 01:17:34 yankees suck Aug 01 01:17:39 eguy swallows Aug 01 01:17:55 offtopic > #webos-watercooler Aug 01 01:18:09 wow, you really don't think before you type do you? Aug 01 01:20:04 ur channel is lame. Aug 01 01:20:47 * rwhitby reminds folks that a key policy of this channel is to respect all the other participants ... Aug 01 01:20:50 Whatever man. Aug 01 01:21:18 blah, hows jp Aug 01 01:21:19 ty Rod Aug 01 01:21:35 eguy hows manny doing Aug 01 01:22:13 I don't know, Aug 01 01:22:18 well ur in la? Aug 01 01:22:24 I don't watch baseball Aug 01 01:23:12 * rwhitby is working out how to get CIA to report wiki changes in here. Aug 01 01:23:53 that'd be cool Aug 01 01:23:57 ah, ok . so w/e Aug 01 01:24:10 i can do that rw,. Aug 01 01:24:19 i mean, help no Aug 01 01:25:03 i have a nice tcl that can take that rss fom recent changes Aug 01 01:25:21 u wants? Aug 01 01:25:35 there's already a CIANotify mediawiki extension I'm using. Aug 01 01:26:05 yikes Aug 01 01:26:35 anyone know the minimal /usr/sbin/sendmail package (which isn't actually sendmail, but just something that can send outgoing messages) on Ubuntu 8.04 ? Aug 01 01:26:50 that irc::? Aug 01 01:27:21 yeah tahts ah, slackware package Aug 01 01:28:10 exim? Aug 01 01:28:17 exim4?? Aug 01 01:28:35 ssmtp Aug 01 01:28:41 or that postfix? Aug 01 01:28:45 postfix is hoggish Aug 01 01:31:14 RodWhitby http://www.webos-internals.org * r3321 /wiki/User_talk:RodWhitby: CIA notification test. Aug 01 01:31:27 there seems to be a slight 'scene' disconnect on programs/patches/pethods Aug 01 01:31:29 there we go Aug 01 01:31:33 *methods Aug 01 01:31:44 i was googling pethods Aug 01 01:31:54 any results? Aug 01 01:32:01 you don't want to know Aug 01 01:32:09 i like how webos-internals wiki is laid out Aug 01 01:32:10 now to make that CIA reporting clickable Aug 01 01:32:12 PETHODS Analysis of the Phospholipid of the Nuciear Envelope ind ... Aug 01 01:32:26 and use of gitorious. yet on precentral forums, its all over the place Aug 01 01:32:43 is my pre going nuclear? Aug 01 01:32:49 its possible Aug 01 01:32:50 Speeder: we're moving to git.webos-internals.org soon, to get CIA reporting. Aug 01 01:33:04 battery life will be much better once the pre is nuclear Aug 01 01:33:16 it couldn't be any worse Aug 01 01:33:27 i need about 3 more touchstone bases. Aug 01 01:33:42 lol Aug 01 01:33:52 i find that the blackberry storm/tour charger works VERY WELL Aug 01 01:34:37 dunno what the stock charger output is, but the bb one is .7a Aug 01 01:34:53 stock is 1a Aug 01 01:35:07 really? Aug 01 01:35:17 i find that it sucks @ charging Aug 01 01:35:52 (Back on topic question) most patches are not available via git/quilt (the ones listed on webos-internals) Aug 01 01:36:18 RodWhitby http://www.webos-internals.org * r3322 /http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User_talk:RodWhitby: CIA clickable notification test Aug 01 01:36:50 rwhitby: nice Aug 01 01:36:55 hey guys Aug 01 01:37:14 hmm - maybe a custom CIA IRC formatter will work better Aug 01 01:37:24 the touchstone charges really fast. Aug 01 01:38:05 bougyman: 700ma, palm's AC adapter is 1000ma and typical USB is 500ma Aug 01 01:40:33 hrmm.. i can't connect via ssh over wifi Aug 01 01:40:43 what can i check? Aug 01 01:41:06 Speeder: i bet if you ssh from your pre to the pc you're trying to ssh from you can then ssh from that pc to the pre Aug 01 01:41:14 this has happenned to me on occasion. Aug 01 01:41:26 ssh-ing from the pre to the pc i want to ssh from always 'fixes' it Aug 01 01:41:35 i think it's the way they stack default routes or some such. Aug 01 01:41:46 eh Aug 01 01:41:52 i don't have anything running on my pcs Aug 01 01:41:55 i've been meaning to try and make an ip rule to fix it. Aug 01 01:42:00 Speeder: maybe even ping? Aug 01 01:42:12 any ip traffic should work, if my hypothesis is correct. Aug 01 01:42:35 hey guys, I found a pre in the lost & found at work Aug 01 01:42:36 from pre to the box you want to ssh from. Aug 01 01:42:40 what should I do with it> Aug 01 01:43:07 Dark_Steam: take it to the sprint store? Aug 01 01:43:09 skip it on water Aug 01 01:43:14 ping dont work either Aug 01 01:43:16 random Aug 01 01:43:16 see how far you can get the pebble to go Aug 01 01:43:25 I know it's random Aug 01 01:43:26 (btw im using my internal wifi ip) Aug 01 01:43:33 Use it! :P Aug 01 01:43:49 the person probably reported it lost Aug 01 01:43:59 that's what i'm worried about Aug 01 01:44:43 does pre respond to pings by default? Aug 01 01:50:58 welp jailbraking an itouch or iphone slows it down a bit Aug 01 01:54:48 anyone else having a hard time with a pre eating battery quickly? Having a hard time making it through 5 hours mostly standby, maybe a dozen IM's and a few emails, a few web pages Aug 01 01:55:13 out at a conference, finding a place to charge can be frustrating Aug 01 01:55:43 hey rwhitby, you said to contact a person name Rick if I wanted to help with the Preware, how might I got about find rick Aug 01 01:55:58 btw it is kmax12 from precentral Aug 01 01:56:01 Max_: Rick__ is who you want. Aug 01 01:56:05 RodWhitby wiki * r3323 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User_talk:RodWhitby -  Another test edit to check the custom formatter. Aug 01 01:56:21 i got the cpuspeed (with the smartreflex mod) Aug 01 01:56:28 will see if it gets any better Aug 01 01:56:53 CIA-29: purrrrrfect Aug 01 01:57:21 bbl Aug 01 01:58:19 All wiki edits will now be reported in this channel by CIA-[0-9]+ in the format above. Aug 01 02:00:10 yyyyyyyo Aug 01 02:00:20 what's happening Aug 01 02:00:28 are there any sites like webos-internals that have more patches? Aug 01 02:00:53 mikevember: I hope not, since anyone who wants to contribute a patch to ours gets immediate commit privs ... Aug 01 02:01:32 hey rwhitby Aug 01 02:01:36 how's it goin Aug 01 02:01:40 g0rdian: g'day Aug 01 02:02:13 lazy morning in a nagoya hotel passing the time before catching a shinkansen back to Tokyo for an overnight flight home. Aug 01 02:02:27 haa Aug 01 02:02:31 so working on some webos-internals collaboration infrastructure ... Aug 01 02:02:36 ok i understood about 15% of that sntence Aug 01 02:02:41 i am fairly new at all of this and i am enjoying making changes to my pre. I am using WinSCP anything better to use? Aug 01 02:02:42 (CIA reporting of wiki edits and git commits) Aug 01 02:02:46 but that's good, it's up from the average ;-) Aug 01 02:03:17 rwhitby: i may have a patch to contribute soon Aug 01 02:03:19 mikevember: winscp is the best windows-based file transfer program for the Pre Aug 01 02:03:29 trying to work a few kinks out Aug 01 02:03:41 but javascript is driving me insane Aug 01 02:03:55 it's close enough to java that it gives me the illusian of knowing what i'm doing Aug 01 02:04:01 but i don't have a damn clue Aug 01 02:04:05 mikevember: a step up would be to use quilt on the emulator to create and test your modifications, then contribute those patches for others to use. Aug 01 02:05:11 (but that's a large learning curve involved) Aug 01 02:05:22 clearly Aug 01 02:05:23 rwhitby: i wouldnt know where to begin with that, i have installed the quilt but i havent read much about it Aug 01 02:05:54 * rwhitby wonders if the ssmtp package he installed on the webos-internals server can also be used to fix the wiki registration false error Aug 01 02:08:08 Oh my god Win 7 is so awesome Aug 01 02:08:42 First time I am genuinely excited about an OS since 2002 (besides webOS of course) Aug 01 02:14:00 pardon my ignorance, but what was 2002 Aug 01 02:15:02 XP Aug 01 02:16:39 What would be involved in getting a SIP client working? Aug 01 02:18:36 http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/web-os-development/23664d1248545043-battery-place-icon-working-1-1-0-color-unknown_2009-25-07_135439.jpg Aug 01 02:18:36 js sucks :( Aug 01 02:19:47 Ansky26 wiki * r3324 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_PDF_Viewer -  Provide a patch of the modifications for webOS v1.1.0. Aug 01 02:23:59 cool - that's working nicely Aug 01 02:25:05 * rwhitby removes the double space from the custom formatter Aug 01 02:26:30 Speeder Js does not suck. Aug 01 02:26:52 Speeder js is a beautiful deep, clever language with many brilliant parts. Aug 01 02:27:06 yes Aug 01 02:27:13 I like JS Aug 01 02:27:25 It is, saddly buried under a pile of ratshit, but really, there is a beautiful lovely lambda, prototypical, functional language in there. Aug 01 02:27:33 You just have to be careful to only use the good parts. Aug 01 02:27:59 once you realize that JS is scheme in C syntax, and quit trying to program it like C or Java, it works MUCH better. Aug 01 02:28:07 I thought xcode was the one buried under a pile of ratshit? Aug 01 02:28:08 :P Aug 01 02:28:20 guys i'm working on a patch that will display the percentage next to the battery indicator Aug 01 02:28:26 but my skills are somewhat limited Aug 01 02:28:38 insteaed of the patch that displays the percentage INSTEAD of the battery indicator.... Aug 01 02:28:39 and the only problem i'm running across so far is that the percentage number does not update in realtime Aug 01 02:28:47 Well, you have come to the right place Aug 01 02:28:57 you're using the same code as the other one, just adding an element? Aug 01 02:28:59 it only updates when you tap the indicator Aug 01 02:29:07 gordian.... Aug 01 02:29:10 which other one? Aug 01 02:29:13 oh ghods. Aug 01 02:29:22 LOL Aug 01 02:29:25 gordian you're re-inventing the wheel. Aug 01 02:30:00 kindly point me in the direction of the original wheel then, please Aug 01 02:30:43 are you talking about the patch to show the actual battery percentage? Aug 01 02:30:50 nodnod Aug 01 02:30:56 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Show_Actual_Battery_Percent#Patch_.28show-actual-battery-percent.patch.29 Aug 01 02:32:15 I have it on my pre. it updates in real time. Aug 01 02:32:28 * james_ is back (gone 39:22:14) Aug 01 02:33:05 odd how Speeder2K hit and run. :-) Aug 01 02:35:09 Well hello there everyone Aug 01 02:35:32 Ansky26 wiki * r3325 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 02:45:11 gordian my bad. Wrong patch Aug 01 02:45:18 uhh yeah Aug 01 02:45:20 rod master * r992d53b564bf /etc/event.d/optware-lighttpd - Added startup script for lighttpd Aug 01 02:45:21 gordian it's this one. http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/194029-battery-place-icon-working-1-1-0-color-5.html post number 98 Aug 01 02:45:30 it's on page 5 Aug 01 02:45:45 pff dude do you notice one of the posters/collaborators is me Aug 01 02:45:47 about 2/3 of the way down Aug 01 02:45:50 oh Aug 01 02:45:51 sorry Aug 01 02:45:59 no Aug 01 02:46:02 it doesn't update in realtime Aug 01 02:46:02 I seldom notice names. Aug 01 02:46:10 weird. Aug 01 02:46:15 ok Aug 01 02:46:16 nevermind Aug 01 02:46:22 i mean, it will if you tap the indicator Aug 01 02:46:23 going back to stuff my head in a sock now. Aug 01 02:46:27 :-/ Aug 01 02:46:32 no mate, help! Aug 01 02:46:45 ok Aug 01 02:46:47 heh Aug 01 02:46:59 can you POST the diff files someplace (the logical place would be on a wiki page...) Aug 01 02:47:02 that's seriously the last bit of the oatch Aug 01 02:47:06 so we can look at them? Aug 01 02:47:10 surely Aug 01 02:47:55 I mean, if you make a wiki page off of it won't keep scrolling down and disappearing where no one can see it on the forums Aug 01 02:47:59 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Aug 01 02:48:01 off of there. Aug 01 02:48:27 gordian are you saying it NEVER updates withoutbeing touched? Aug 01 02:48:33 does it update on wake-up? Aug 01 02:48:38 yes Aug 01 02:48:50 err, sometimes it takes 2 wake-ups Aug 01 02:49:05 it's strange behavior Aug 01 02:49:27 i haven't made a .diff file for the patch in a while and i lost the tutorial page, trying to find it now... Aug 01 02:49:43 That must be a big sock Rick_ Aug 01 02:49:46 We talking about the battery % patch? Aug 01 02:50:20 * rwhitby checks out, maybe finish the git commit cia notification on the bullet train ... Aug 01 02:50:39 bye rwhitby Aug 01 02:50:53 bullet train. These silly japanese. Train is MUCH slower than a bullet. Aug 01 02:51:07 lol Aug 01 02:51:19 bullet train would be COOL tho. Aug 01 02:51:19 Rick__: the wiki cia notification should make the job easier for you wiki editors :-) Aug 01 02:51:26 have fun on the never late train ;) Aug 01 02:51:38 but you would need evacuated tubes for it to run in.... Aug 01 02:51:39 Anyone notice this? http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196086-make-led-ring-pulsate-notifications.html Aug 01 02:51:46 no Aug 01 02:52:05 Could be the missing link in LED notifications Aug 01 02:53:52 I can confirm the battery % script updates on wake-up. Aug 01 02:58:52 Rick__: http://pastebin.com/m6ddd1bd0 Aug 01 02:59:18 it's not my patch originally i've only contributed, so i'll stick it on the wiki once i talk to the other dude **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2009