**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2009 Aug 01 03:00:52 thing that sucks is that i haven't figured out how to test it on the emulator so i have to use my phone Aug 01 03:01:03 but now is prime time to test any ideas, i'm down to 50% batt life Aug 01 03:02:10 gordian, what exactly is the issue with the patch? Is it that it won't update unless the phone sleeps/unsleeps? Aug 01 03:02:34 the percentage number in the corner doesn't update itself Aug 01 03:02:42 you have to tap the indicator Aug 01 03:03:27 * zsoc blinks Aug 01 03:03:31 ... Aug 01 03:03:37 Am I using a different patch? Aug 01 03:03:43 you might be Aug 01 03:04:00 I just watched my number go from 73% to 72%. Aug 01 03:04:07 this patch does this: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/web-os-development/23664d1248545043-battery-place-icon-working-1-1-0-color-unknown_2009-25-07_135439.jpg Aug 01 03:04:30 Didn't tap, just wake from sleep. Aug 01 03:04:56 woah wtf Aug 01 03:05:00 ok lately Aug 01 03:05:10 if i close the phone quickly Aug 01 03:05:12 Yeah that's the one. Aug 01 03:05:13 it reboots Aug 01 03:05:15 WTF Aug 01 03:05:20 really annoying Aug 01 03:05:20 That sounds like a hardware problem. Aug 01 03:05:25 yeah Aug 01 03:05:32 quilt-b Aug 01 03:05:40 quilt-b? Aug 01 03:05:53 quilt-b? as opposed to quilt a? Aug 01 03:05:54 quilt-bootstrap.sh failed on me Aug 01 03:05:59 lol sorry Aug 01 03:07:20 lol Aug 01 03:09:52 nm i went into roaming, forgot to turn wifi on Aug 01 03:11:53 zsoc: so if you keep your screen on while charging the percentage will continue to increase? Aug 01 03:14:47 I don't keep my screen on while charging... Aug 01 03:18:09 Sottey wiki * r3326 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 03:23:59 gordian if you close the phone quickly and it reboots, you have a loose battery Aug 01 03:24:07 well established problem Aug 01 03:24:48 put a piece of paper between the top of the battery and the batteyr holder. Aug 01 03:24:50 should fix it. Aug 01 03:25:22 gordian what's supposed to be the event that fires that updates it? Aug 01 03:27:35 Rick__: i think the issue is actually this Aug 01 03:27:57 when the phone is charging, the percentage updates itself in realtime Aug 01 03:28:08 Does anyone know how to install irssi? Im getting a 404 when using ipkg-opt. Aug 01 03:28:17 but when it's DIScharging, you have to tap the bar in order for the percentage to update Aug 01 03:28:53 i cant find where on the wiki it shows how to show make your battery show as percent, can anyone lead me there? Aug 01 03:29:11 Decimation: that's b/c it's not on the wiki yet Aug 01 03:29:21 ahh, why not ? :P Aug 01 03:29:25 b/c the patch still has a few minor kinks and is being worked on Aug 01 03:29:54 Rick__: thanks for the battery info Aug 01 03:30:06 i have so bloody many of them i don't know what to do with myself Aug 01 03:30:06 so why does time update in realtime on the status bar? Aug 01 03:30:27 you mean the drop down? Aug 01 03:30:38 sure whatever you want ot call it Aug 01 03:30:43 the time in the middle of it Aug 01 03:30:48 why does it update in realtime? Aug 01 03:31:02 it's not "whatever you want to call it" Aug 01 03:31:05 anyone here want to help me run Windows 95 on the Pre? Aug 01 03:31:07 PinkFloyd, build it? although i was pretty sure it was in optware Aug 01 03:31:09 :D Aug 01 03:31:13 there are 2 different places it gets displayed Aug 01 03:31:15 It is but Im getting 404 Aug 01 03:31:16 be specific Aug 01 03:31:19 aYellowBanana, pretty much impossible. Aug 01 03:31:38 Phwelo wiki * r3327 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 03:31:57 CIA-29. your mom is easy. what you gonna say now? Aug 01 03:32:41 on a non-patched, factory standard Pre the percentage only gets displayed when you tap the batter icon in the status bar and a dropdown appears Aug 01 03:32:54 this patch inserts the percentage right next to the icon Aug 01 03:34:01 like this: http://i29.tinypic.com/16j1w0n.jpg Aug 01 03:36:11 that's cool Aug 01 03:36:15 how was the patch made? Aug 01 03:36:42 is that a patch for LunaSysMgr? What handles that little battery icon area? O_o Aug 01 03:37:14 LunaSysMgr techinally handles... everything you see. Aug 01 03:37:18 bar-assistant Aug 01 03:37:36 here's the patch Aug 01 03:37:37 http://forums.precentral.net/1778094-post98.html Aug 01 03:37:38 the patch is for the bar-assistant Aug 01 03:37:53 there's an update coming soon Aug 01 03:37:59 and i want to put it on git soon Aug 01 03:38:58 nice Aug 01 03:39:08 so this was an edit to the bar-assistant javascript file? Aug 01 03:39:22 God damn, making these mods is so damn great on the Pre! ^.^ Aug 01 03:39:54 and one of the stylesheets Aug 01 03:40:04 nice. good job Aug 01 03:40:08 I like it Aug 01 03:40:22 the credit should go primarily to nesl247 Aug 01 03:40:28 but i dont think he comes on irc Aug 01 03:40:39 hm. can the text size be changed? Aug 01 03:40:42 he should Aug 01 03:40:43 go poke him lol Aug 01 03:40:44 i only helped swap the order of the icons around and color the various percentages Aug 01 03:41:09 the new update will make the percentage appear in light blue when it's charging Aug 01 03:41:37 and kills all iPhone users within a 100 yard radius Aug 01 03:41:47 ...and bricks their phones to boot Aug 01 03:41:51 I think it would look even better if it's vertical size would be evened out with the battery icon Aug 01 03:41:52 epic Aug 01 03:41:54 lmao Aug 01 03:42:06 easier said than done... Aug 01 03:42:22 aYellowBanana: i've considered it, i'll look into it Aug 01 03:42:23 do you have an idea of what would need to be done? Aug 01 03:43:00 not yet Aug 01 03:43:12 i'm about to though Aug 01 03:43:53 Who is the person I can speak to regarding GPL License? Aug 01 03:46:14 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Change_Enter_To_Create_Newline_Instead_of_Send_Message Aug 01 03:46:19 why doesnt this work on 1.1 :( Aug 01 03:50:32 is the launcher stuck with 3 panels? Aug 01 03:53:59 thatdude, what do you want to know about gpl? Aug 01 03:58:20 zsoc: what do you think? http://i26.tinypic.com/1z6fb6f.jpg Aug 01 03:58:24 i think it looks horrible Aug 01 03:58:29 i think it's fine the way it is Aug 01 03:58:38 i think it's huge ;) Aug 01 03:59:16 it looks a bit silly imo Aug 01 03:59:28 smaller is more appealing Aug 01 03:59:33 to me Aug 01 03:59:36 yes very Aug 01 03:59:37 :D Aug 01 03:59:41 i like the current version Aug 01 04:02:57 Rick__: i'll put the patch on the wiki Aug 01 04:03:46 aYellowBanana: what do you think? http://i26.tinypic.com/1z6fb6f.jpg Aug 01 04:03:50 it looks quite silly imo Aug 01 04:04:02 erm....yeah Aug 01 04:04:04 little awkward Aug 01 04:04:09 xD Aug 01 04:04:18 nice idea though Aug 01 04:04:28 clearly size isn't all that matters ;-) Aug 01 04:04:29 hehe. maybe just a tiny tiny increase from the original? O_o Aug 01 04:07:08 hey, does the Pre have something close or the equivalent of the "App-Store" Aug 01 04:08:29 what's the best way to make a .diff ? Aug 01 04:08:40 aYellowBanana: yes, it has the Palm App Store Aug 01 04:08:54 err App Catalog Aug 01 04:08:57 o rly? is that on the emulator? O_o Aug 01 04:09:12 no Aug 01 04:09:18 gay >_> Aug 01 04:10:05 there are worse things to be than gay Aug 01 04:10:28 haha, of course Aug 01 04:10:48 oh, if you don't mind me asking, what was the location of the bar-assistant again? ^.^ Aug 01 04:11:13 '/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/app/controllers/bar-assistant.js' Aug 01 04:12:10 thanks! Aug 01 04:12:17 gordian the best way to make a diff with with the program "diff" Aug 01 04:12:36 hehe Aug 01 04:12:48 ok Aug 01 04:13:12 the problem is, if you're on windows, and haven't installed cygwin, there are VERY few windows programs which will produce a unified diff. Aug 01 04:13:16 which is the format we prefer. Aug 01 04:13:56 can't i create the diff file on the pre then just sftp it over to my local hd? Aug 01 04:14:13 absolutely Aug 01 04:14:33 yes you can Aug 01 04:14:38 YES WE CAN ! Aug 01 04:15:05 Obama is for abortion, therefore I am against Obama and all that he says and does Aug 01 04:15:10 well....not really Aug 01 04:15:12 just abortion :-/ Aug 01 04:15:15 omg we are so not having this conversation Aug 01 04:15:21 hahaha Aug 01 04:15:22 yeah, please Aug 01 04:15:22 * aYellowBanana shuts up Aug 01 04:15:33 if you want to fight about that crap take it to the watercooler Aug 01 04:15:35 this would be great for #webos-watercooler Aug 01 04:15:38 not in here Aug 01 04:15:42 ugly Aug 01 04:15:47 gordian :P Aug 01 04:16:08 i dont get how the battery issue is, still an issue Aug 01 04:16:22 what battery issue? Aug 01 04:16:37 *shrug* its iphone propaganda Aug 01 04:16:50 heh Aug 01 04:17:02 its common sense though, if u ride teh subway, put on airplane mode Aug 01 04:17:16 subway mode? Aug 01 04:17:21 yezm Aug 01 04:17:26 I like subway. Great sandwiches Aug 01 04:17:57 you probably waste more battery putting it into airplane mode Aug 01 04:18:07 and then turning airplane mode off Aug 01 04:18:18 hah Aug 01 04:18:20 than if you just let it alone Aug 01 04:18:34 unless your subway ride is >45 mins or so Aug 01 04:19:11 heh Aug 01 04:19:18 well , thats a lie Aug 01 04:19:19 heh. Aug 01 04:19:39 * aYellowBanana wants to do something on the Pre but doesn't know what Aug 01 04:19:41 fuck i'm too tired Aug 01 04:19:49 later dudes Aug 01 04:19:52 :P Aug 01 04:20:08 im sorry but signal search drains all phones. Aug 01 04:20:29 * aYellowBanana is angry for he has nothing to do on the Pre Aug 01 04:20:35 ay, why not do some openvpn stuff Aug 01 04:20:43 like what? :D Aug 01 04:20:58 dunno, mount a foldier in /internal/media Aug 01 04:21:10 that is a samba/windows share Aug 01 04:21:26 over openvpn Aug 01 04:21:27 *shrug* Aug 01 04:21:32 * aYellowBanana shurgs Aug 01 04:21:35 * aYellowBanana shrugs* Aug 01 04:21:43 eeh. something more useful ^.^ Aug 01 04:21:45 haha Aug 01 04:21:55 but yeah, i would like to port some applications to the phone Aug 01 04:22:14 oh, ah. we need bookmark importer Aug 01 04:22:20 such as delicious Aug 01 04:22:32 dunno how that would work Aug 01 04:22:45 bookmark importer? Aug 01 04:22:48 I don't follow :-/ Aug 01 04:22:48 sure Aug 01 04:22:56 i have like a thousand bookmarks Aug 01 04:23:07 it would be nice to search those bookmarks with synnergy Aug 01 04:23:18 * aYellowBanana ;; probably out of his league Aug 01 04:23:21 hmm Aug 01 04:23:24 :-/ Aug 01 04:23:28 how about Quick Search Addons Aug 01 04:23:32 fuck yeah Aug 01 04:23:36 i made some Aug 01 04:23:40 Eddieck wiki * r3329 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels - You can recover from a bad kernel by changing the bootie boot kernel so I've adjusted this accordingly Aug 01 04:23:45 m.Break.com Aug 01 04:23:46 Youtube.com Aug 01 04:23:51 etc. Aug 01 04:23:57 I'm actually trying to design an app that will allow you to add/remove those easily Aug 01 04:24:03 quick search addons are KEY Aug 01 04:24:03 but the Palm SDK scares me Aug 01 04:24:07 hrm Aug 01 04:24:11 keep plugging away Aug 01 04:24:19 i have like 0time Aug 01 04:24:49 * aYellowBanana cries Aug 01 04:24:55 * aYellowBanana has nothing to offer Aug 01 04:24:58 :'( Aug 01 04:25:00 ? Aug 01 04:25:35 :( Aug 01 04:25:59 u want to do some addons w/ me Aug 01 04:26:11 ... Aug 01 04:26:15 im about to pass out on the job Aug 01 04:27:02 heh, I'm PMing you ^.^ Aug 01 04:27:46 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Browser_Global_Search_Addons_Collection Aug 01 04:28:13 Here is a suggestion for an app... The ability to export sms history. Lost all my messages after a webdoctor. :) Aug 01 04:29:26 *sigh* Aug 01 04:30:08 * aYellowBanana sobs Aug 01 04:30:34 its quite easy Aug 01 04:30:48 I really don't feel like learning the Palm SDK :'( Aug 01 04:31:00 well im going to get paid to pass out for like 2 hours Aug 01 04:31:01 does anyone know why the clock on the pre's main screen is a.) not in sync with the clock on the lock page or clock app, and b.) does not keep time in my pocket, sometimes will freeze and update when i touch the phone vs always being on time Aug 01 04:31:28 james_ have you applied any crappy patches? haha Aug 01 04:32:29 i have only installed patches that were listed as being compatible with web os 1.1 on webos-internals' website Aug 01 04:36:12 it's like Aug 01 04:36:29 the clock on the top of the main screen does not keep time while the phone is closed or locked Aug 01 04:44:05 Does anyone know how to type the ">" character in the terminal on the pre? Aug 01 04:44:22 So I can echo to a file Aug 01 04:46:11 I'm assuming this key has not been implemented Aug 01 04:46:20 i can't seem to find it Aug 01 04:46:21 sorry Aug 01 04:46:23 afk Aug 01 04:48:39 guys, anyone here familar with the global search addons? Aug 01 04:48:57 Decimation, why Aug 01 04:53:17 well, i did it Aug 01 04:53:19 and all and all works Aug 01 04:53:28 but the picture doesnt show up Aug 01 04:53:34 where it should show the picture Aug 01 04:53:37 its just blank. Aug 01 04:53:43 but when i press the blank spot.. it works. Aug 01 04:54:00 you sure you have the right size, transparency, format, etc? Aug 01 05:03:24 took it from the global search addons page... Aug 01 05:35:50 Mamouton wiki * r3330 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_call_ended_sound - /* Disable sound when you end a call */ Aug 01 05:37:10 Mamouton wiki * r3331 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_call_ended_sound - Aug 01 05:40:14 Mamouton wiki * r3332 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_call_ended_sound - Aug 01 05:40:59 Mamouton wiki * r3333 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_call_ended_sound - Aug 01 05:41:58 Mamouton wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Disable call ended sound]] moved to [[Disable Call Ended Sound]] Aug 01 05:43:21 Hopspitfire wiki * r3336 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Changing_Alarm_Clock_Button_Order_and_Snooze_Duration - New page: This article would benefit greatly from a screenshot. ~~~~ Aug 01 05:44:31 Hopspitfire wiki * r3337 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels - Fixed link to 'bootie'. Aug 01 05:45:04 heh even some content needed not just screenshot Aug 01 05:45:22 Hopspitfire wiki * r3338 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels - /* The moment of truth */ bolded reboot key sequence Aug 01 05:55:14 Mamouton wiki * r3339 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 05:55:21 Hopspitfire wiki * r3340 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Disable_Missed-Dropped_Call_Sound - Merged "disable call ended sound" to here; there's no need to have separate pages related to call sounds. Aug 01 05:55:40 Hopspitfire wiki * r3341 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Phone_Disable_Missed-Dropped_Call_Sound - /* Disable Call Ended Sound */ Aug 01 05:56:38 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped Call Sound]] moved to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]]: Merged "disable call ended sound" here. Aug 01 05:57:06 Hopspitfire wiki * r3344 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_dropped_call_sound - Redirecting to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]] Aug 01 05:57:22 Hopspitfire wiki * r3345 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Turn_Off_Missed_Call_Sound - Redirecting to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]] Aug 01 05:57:35 Hopspitfire wiki * r3346 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_Missed-Dropped_Call_Sound - Redirecting to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]] Aug 01 05:58:04 Hopspitfire wiki * r3347 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 05:58:23 cia bot spam yay! Aug 01 05:58:50 Hopspitfire wiki * r3348 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_Call_Ended_Sound - Redirecting to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]] Aug 01 05:59:08 Hopspitfire wiki * r3349 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 05:59:23 Hopspitfire wiki * r3350 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Disable_call_ended_sound - Redirecting to [[Patch Phone Disable Missed-Dropped-Ended Call Sound]] Aug 01 06:00:43 Hopspitfire wiki * r3351 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:02:22 rwhitby - how the hell do I block all that. ????? Aug 01 06:04:57 Rick__: /ignore Aug 01 06:05:36 Mamouton wiki * r3352 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:08:53 that is a bit much Aug 01 06:09:20 it should only NOTICE the people who are interested Aug 01 06:09:38 CIA is goin' insane...run for you lives!!!! Aug 01 06:19:08 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Always Show Details of New Tasks]] moved to [[Patch Tasks Always Show Details of New Tasks]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:19:32 Hopspitfire wiki * r3355 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User:HattCzech - Aug 01 06:20:27 Hopspitfire wiki * r3356 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:21:11 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Bookmarking MediaPlayer]] moved to [[Patch MediaPlayer Bookmarking]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:22:13 Hopspitfire wiki * r3359 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:22:50 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Camera Mod Shutter Sound On-Off Button]] moved to [[Patch Camera Shutter Sound On-Off Button]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:23:36 Hopspitfire wiki * r3362 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:23:57 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Camera Mod 10 Second Countdown Timer]] moved to [[Patch Camera 10 Second Countdown Timer]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:24:29 Hopspitfire wiki * r3365 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:24:54 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Confirm Deletion on Email]] moved to [[Patch Email Confirm Deletion]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:25:32 Hopspitfire wiki * r3368 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:25:53 Hopspitfire wiki * r3369 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Update_1.0.3 - Aug 01 06:26:41 Hopspitfire wiki * r3370 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - GPS Tracking isn't an app specific patch Aug 01 06:27:15 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Using Volume Buttons to Take a Picture]] moved to [[Patch Camera Using Volume Buttons to Take a Picture]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:28:04 Hopspitfire wiki * r3373 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:31:46 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Download Amazon Music over EVDO]] moved to [[Patch Amazon Download Music over EVDO]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:32:40 Hopspitfire wiki * r3376 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:33:55 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Change Running Late Email]] moved to [[Patch Email Change "Running Late" Message]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:34:33 Hopspitfire wiki * r3379 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:35:37 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Talk:Change Enter To Create Newline Instead of Send Message]] moved to [[Talk:Patch Messaging Change "Enter Key" To Create Newline]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:35:40 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Change Enter To Create Newline Instead of Send Message]] moved to [[Patch Messaging Change "Enter Key" To Create Newline]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:36:19 Hopspitfire wiki * r3384 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_Timestamps_to_All_Received_Messages - Aug 01 06:37:04 Hopspitfire wiki * r3385 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:37:52 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Show Call Duration in the Call Log]] moved to [[Patch Phone Show Call Duration in the Call Log]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:38:20 Hopspitfire wiki * r3388 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Update_1.0.3 - Aug 01 06:38:59 Hopspitfire wiki * r3389 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:41:23 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Show allday events in calendar month view]] moved to [[Patch Calendar Show All-Day Events in Month View]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:42:12 Hopspitfire wiki * r3392 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:43:06 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Changing Alarm Clock Button Order and Snooze Duration]] moved to [[Patch Clock Changing Alarm Button Order and Snooze Duration]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:43:08 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Talk:Changing Alarm Clock Button Order and Snooze Duration]] moved to [[Talk:Patch Clock Changing Alarm Button Order and Snooze Duration]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:43:49 Hopspitfire wiki * r3397 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:46:25 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Patch PDF Viewer]] moved to [[Patch PDF Viewer Change Orientation]]: app specific patch (now with description) Aug 01 06:47:04 Hopspitfire wiki * r3400 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:47:37 im trying to make a palm-list Aug 01 06:47:45 and tapping an item would open up a drawer Aug 01 06:47:48 Hopspitfire wiki * r0 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Log/move - [[Display Full Status Messages(Messenger)]] moved to [[Patch Messaging Display Full Status Messages]]: app specific patch Aug 01 06:47:49 showing more info Aug 01 06:48:10 Mamouton wiki * r3403 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Photos_Slideshow - /* Contributions: */ Aug 01 06:48:30 Hopspitfire wiki * r3405 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:48:30 bot spam Aug 01 06:48:30 Mamouton wiki * r3404 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Photos_Slideshow - /* Contributions: */ Aug 01 06:48:44 rwhitby broked it Aug 01 06:49:38 so how can i make a drawer work without an ID elment Aug 01 06:50:27 Hopspitfire wiki * r3406 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Portal:Patches_to_webOS - Aug 01 06:51:23 :/ Aug 01 06:51:36 stfu cia heh Aug 01 06:51:47 its not even parsing nicely Aug 01 06:52:19 RSS would be nicer! heh Aug 01 06:57:58 idk why this is tied into the wiki Aug 01 07:00:52 rwhitby set it up Aug 01 07:03:12 guess it's showing changes to the wiki has they happen? Aug 01 07:03:21 Hopspitfire wiki * r3407 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page - Aug 01 07:35:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Change_%22Enter_Key%22_To_Create_Newline Aug 01 07:35:14 anyone have that working? Aug 01 07:59:46 anyone here? Aug 01 08:02:26 guess not Aug 01 08:04:35 :/ Aug 01 08:04:41 ugh, i need help.. lol Aug 01 08:04:47 yes Aug 01 08:04:56 but I probably can't help you lol Aug 01 08:05:11 well, its with the global search addons. Aug 01 08:05:34 yes Aug 01 08:05:38 I can help you there Aug 01 08:05:58 okay Aug 01 08:06:07 i added the precentral search setting Aug 01 08:06:11 and EVERYTHING works fine Aug 01 08:06:13 it searches Aug 01 08:06:16 and all Aug 01 08:06:16 Yes Aug 01 08:06:25 buttt.... the picture, the precentral one Aug 01 08:06:28 doesnt show up Aug 01 08:06:38 it shows google Aug 01 08:06:40 google maps Aug 01 08:06:41 wiki Aug 01 08:06:45 then the spot where it should be Aug 01 08:06:47 is just blank Aug 01 08:06:55 and you copied it to images Aug 01 08:06:59 mhm Aug 01 08:09:45 think i just figured it out actually Aug 01 08:09:56 really Aug 01 08:10:14 restarting luna as we speak :) Aug 01 08:10:31 I was thinking something is wrong in global-search.css Aug 01 08:10:36 oh yes Aug 01 08:10:41 that might do it Aug 01 08:10:46 mhm Aug 01 08:10:51 you are correct Aug 01 08:10:59 global-search, i messed up. Aug 01 08:11:05 ah Aug 01 08:11:06 not sure I agree with "currently, unless you plan to do that just out of scientific interest, there's no real reason to build a custom kernel as everything is available in the "standard" one" Aug 01 08:11:21 yes check the filename Aug 01 08:12:21 .palm-group.search .search-reddit { Aug 01 08:12:23 width: 100%; Aug 01 08:12:24 height: 52px; Aug 01 08:12:26 background: url(../images/search-reddit.png) center center no-repeat; Aug 01 08:12:28 } Aug 01 08:12:30 i changed the 4th line Aug 01 08:12:34 but i forgot to change the first :) Aug 01 08:12:36 silly me.. lol Aug 01 08:12:46 haha Aug 01 08:12:50 that will do it Aug 01 08:13:00 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Change_%22Enter_Key%22_To_Create_Newline Aug 01 08:13:04 that still doesnt work for me :( Aug 01 08:13:36 I think that might of broke on 1.1 Aug 01 08:14:45 nah, is in the confirmed working Aug 01 08:14:49 section of the wiki Aug 01 08:18:04 oh Aug 01 08:18:09 I don't know Aug 01 08:18:14 what is your problem Aug 01 08:18:23 messaging app doesnt work after.. rofl Aug 01 08:18:27 tap on a message Aug 01 08:18:28 doesnt up. Aug 01 08:18:31 oh Aug 01 08:18:33 doesnt open up* Aug 01 08:18:37 did you make backups? Aug 01 08:18:39 :P Aug 01 08:18:49 lol, just changed it back Aug 01 08:19:10 i do everything so winscp, so much nicer then that terminal nano and vi crap. Aug 01 08:19:38 its like using notepad :) Aug 01 08:20:03 all my global search icons are in color, its so pretty :) Aug 01 08:26:17 X1011 wiki * r3408 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_talk:Policies_and_guidelines - /* Proposed: Protection */ Aug 01 08:29:03 X1011 wiki * r3409 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page - moving unsectioned comment to relevant section Aug 01 08:32:55 Hopspitfire wiki * r3410 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page - toolchains was linking to the main dev-tools portal, removed link and 'etc' Aug 01 08:34:54 Hopspitfire wiki * r3411 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page - Re-worded hardware description. Aug 01 08:36:13 Hopspitfire wiki * r3412 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page - Aug 01 08:38:22 Hopspitfire wiki * r3413 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research - Aug 01 08:43:47 hmm, wish we could figure out this focus problem in terminal Aug 01 09:37:18 I've modified the wiki CIA notification to only report *new* pages now. Aug 01 09:37:38 Sorry about the noise from all the modifications and renames. Aug 01 10:50:47 Good morning everyone Aug 01 11:24:51 is 'handbrake' what y'all use to make video for this thing? Aug 01 11:24:54 i'm compiling now. Aug 01 11:25:06 heh, the jam requirement blurb. Aug 01 13:26:09 Can someone help me with sudo root privilage problems? Aug 01 13:26:50 (white) pawn to queen's knight 2 Aug 01 13:27:00 ron001: what's the problem? Aug 01 13:28:51 I have accesed my pre via putty, and logged in with the username I created, but when I try gain root privilages, I get an error, >>> /opt/etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 31 <<< Aug 01 13:28:51 sudo: parse error in /opt/etc/sudoers near line 31 Aug 01 13:28:51 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting Aug 01 13:28:51 ron@castle:/tmp$ Aug 01 13:29:11 hrm. Aug 01 13:29:14 that's the suck Aug 01 13:29:20 did you edit your sudoers by hand? Aug 01 13:29:36 use novaterm to get in as root Aug 01 13:29:41 and use visudo Aug 01 13:30:32 I followed the wiki to create it. Honestly, I would have to look back to see exactly what I did. I can still root with novaprox and putty and a cable Aug 01 13:31:01 once you do that use visudo Aug 01 13:31:09 one sec, i'll get you mine to copy. Aug 01 13:33:36 bougyman pasted http://pastr.it/16290 (sudoers), 33 lines of Plain Text Aug 01 13:34:08 wget http://pastr.it/16290/sudoers Aug 01 13:34:12 and you'll have it Aug 01 13:34:44 can you explain to a linux nube what it does? Aug 01 13:34:51 wget? Aug 01 13:34:54 downloads a page. Aug 01 13:35:01 do it in /tmp/ and take a look at it Aug 01 13:35:12 compare it to the one in /opt/etc/ Aug 01 13:35:22 ok, not in the pre, but in windows then Aug 01 13:35:26 you should use 'run' instead of bougyman, of coruse. Aug 01 13:35:32 sure, you can look at it on windows first. Aug 01 13:35:48 always use visudo to edit the sudoers file, thouh. Aug 01 13:35:56 (unless you do sudoers with ldap) Aug 01 13:36:05 then of course you use an ldap admin tool. Aug 01 13:36:48 lol, a little beyond me there Aug 01 13:37:08 er 'ron' instead of bougyman Aug 01 13:39:33 ok, so I can log in as root and edit the sudoers file with visudo to look like yours, but with my username, right? Aug 01 13:41:48 I'm thinking of redoing the structure in the komodo projects for the addon. /bin/release, /bin/debug, /app (all app content). I'll be placing a warning message for all toolbox based projects what to do though. (for the people that are not in the #webos channel) Aug 01 13:52:07 Morning fellas Aug 01 13:53:45 morning Aug 01 14:05:13 ron001: What you up too? I am trying to get my app to rotate Aug 01 14:06:46 thadood: what app u working on? Aug 01 14:07:56 talk to me? Aug 01 14:08:06 I am not thadood. Aug 01 14:08:56 PuffTheMagic: I am working on Subway Map. Aug 01 14:09:06 ahh cool Aug 01 14:09:38 PuffTheMagic: But I see nothing regarding orientation changes. Aug 01 14:09:55 PuffTheMagic: It tells me what it does but I do not see any code snippet Aug 01 14:10:04 look in the terminal code Aug 01 14:10:14 in session-assistant.js Aug 01 14:10:30 in the beginning there is asection about setting the orientation to free Aug 01 14:10:36 which will allow the screen to change Aug 01 14:10:42 PuffTheMagic: Good idea, thanks for the heads up. Aug 01 14:10:44 but you need to listen to orientation change events Aug 01 14:10:55 which we are not doing yet Aug 01 14:11:04 i think there was some older code in terminal Aug 01 14:11:12 before i did my rewrite that might have done that Aug 01 14:11:17 but never tried Aug 01 14:11:28 grep the sources of the browser app Aug 01 14:11:32 for orientation Aug 01 14:11:37 and you might get some clues Aug 01 14:12:02 will do Aug 01 14:34:48 mrvc: ping Aug 01 15:07:29 OMG the webOS book went to production while showing views being named like storyView-scene and storyView-assistant etc. The generation tools now call it story-view-scene etc. automatically Aug 01 15:07:54 this is a big thing for users new to development they will be confused as to why the code is not working when they are following the book Aug 01 15:09:36 Hy web OS people. I have a short question. I wanted to ask you, if someone knows the Telephone API for calls. I would be interested if there is an API for phone calls. Aug 01 15:28:57 plinder: what palm provides in the SDK is at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=1624 Aug 01 15:31:08 thx! Unfortunately I feared that this doc is all ;-) Aug 01 15:31:17 plinder: you can also look at the source code for dialer and check out some of what it does, but that may require the private bus which may limit whether you can be approved for palm catalog Aug 01 15:31:40 palm catalog? Aug 01 15:32:09 palm catalog = palm's "app store" the private bus requires a com.palm.* namespace at this point Aug 01 15:33:03 ah ok I see. so it is not planed, that I write myself a dialer ? :-) Aug 01 15:33:36 ...or did I get this wrong? Aug 01 15:34:57 not sure, it may be possible with undocumented API's but I don't think palm is supporting it -- of course, many/most of us are very interested in doing things beyond what the SDK officially lets you do, but you may have to do some digging to find out what those API's are -- if you do, write it up on the wiki! :) Aug 01 15:35:20 how';s defcon? Aug 01 15:35:52 :-) Ok I will! I couldnt find a direct linkt to webos source code... where should i look? Aug 01 15:35:55 Rick__: defcon's great. Aug 01 15:36:31 destinal: hows the conference Aug 01 15:36:43 opp Aug 01 15:36:47 i was late Aug 01 15:36:58 plinder: the executable is the source code as it's interpreted language -- either copy it from a pre or the emuator or extract the rootfs image from webos doctor Aug 01 15:37:44 yeah of course, I was thinking in precompiled languages ;-) Aug 01 15:39:09 PuffTheMagic: :) having a great time, tons of great material at the talks, and parties and poker games are fun too.. Aug 01 15:39:22 :D Aug 01 15:40:10 PuffTheMagic: wish my pre's battery would last longer Aug 01 15:40:18 ;) Aug 01 15:40:29 seems to be dead by 2PM most days :( Aug 01 15:40:41 what are you doing on it all day Aug 01 15:41:27 not that much, a dozen instant messages, a few emails, five or six web pages, mostly it's just in my pocket. thinking about reimaging -- no idea why it's burning through so much battery Aug 01 15:41:48 are you roaming Aug 01 15:41:53 hotel might be blocking signal Aug 01 15:41:56 and a few short phone calls also Aug 01 15:41:56 in the conference rooms Aug 01 15:42:06 i know romaing kills every phone i've had Aug 01 15:42:15 no "R" icon Aug 01 15:42:21 hmm Aug 01 15:47:10 destinal: issue tracking works on the preware page i was working on Aug 01 15:47:22 so if we want to use that for terminal bugs/feature requests we can Aug 01 15:48:46 sounds useful Aug 01 15:53:49 destinal im kills batteries. Aug 01 15:53:52 2 reasons: Aug 01 15:54:08 1) Im is always running in the background, so it increases memory cycles Aug 01 15:54:34 2) Im is always running in the background so the radio polls constantly for messages. Aug 01 15:54:40 turn off instant messaging. Aug 01 15:54:52 ((not sms, that's different.)) Aug 01 15:55:15 i though a fix was pushed for that... Aug 01 15:55:22 to make it "better" at least Aug 01 15:55:26 Rick__: cool I'll try it Aug 01 15:55:28 i understand it will always be a draw Aug 01 15:55:43 destinal: i have aim on my phone and it makes it over a day with out charging Aug 01 15:55:44 ram activity and radio. Aug 01 15:55:52 huh Aug 01 15:56:08 well, ok, destinal make sure you turn wifi off if you are not in a wifi service area. Aug 01 15:56:31 hmmm Aug 01 15:56:35 If you ARE in a wifi service area, turn it ON, since it's less power to reach the router over "there" than it is the tower "way over there." Aug 01 15:57:06 ok, I didn't realize wifi was on, we'll see how well that helps Aug 01 15:58:28 if there's no wifi service, the wifi radio goes to max power to try to find one... :-) Aug 01 15:58:59 conversely, if there IS service, it's way better to turn the wifi ON. Aug 01 15:59:06 ok, off to chores.... Aug 01 16:00:38 sounds like we need an option to set the wifi radio timemout/auto off Aug 01 16:02:59 well I should turn off wifi, there are radios but I fear to use them out here. defcon's wifi network has been termed "the world's most hostile network" Aug 01 16:06:12 lol Aug 01 16:21:11 for good reason Aug 01 16:31:04 anyone figure out how to have a diff set of screen timeouts for when the pre is plugged in vs not Aug 01 16:42:11 Robi_: there is a way to just keep the screen on when its plugged in Aug 01 16:42:26 then you could just use the power button to toggle on/off the display Aug 01 17:14:23 my phone was stuck on palm screen all day Aug 01 17:14:28 could I check anything to see why? Aug 01 17:14:48 Speeder2k: yuck. I would of pulled the battery after waiting 10 minutes Aug 01 17:14:55 i was sleeping Aug 01 17:14:56 =) Aug 01 17:15:03 Speeder2k: ah Aug 01 17:16:09 Speeder2k: That's only happened to me once, cause I edited a sys file (app) and forgot a > or something... Aug 01 17:16:16 and now it doesn't connect to ssh Aug 01 17:16:34 Speeder2k: ping? Aug 01 17:16:47 no Aug 01 17:17:07 wake it up, set it to just charge after plugging it in? Aug 01 17:18:27 i gotta get that terminal app on it Aug 01 17:18:40 Speeder2k: Most def, it's a killer app Aug 01 17:22:12 Sottey wiki * r3421 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Adding_Timestamps_to_All_Received_Messages - New page: == Introduction== A number of users have requested adding timestamps to each message that arrives on the device. Palm actually goes out of their way to group messages that have arrived du... Aug 01 17:32:47 yyyyyyyyo Aug 01 17:32:58 hrrmm Aug 01 17:33:07 can't use SSH when phone falls into sleep either Aug 01 17:33:26 unless its charging? Aug 01 17:33:36 Speeder2k: right, via wall or usb Aug 01 17:34:53 does anyone else find all the little various notifications extremely annoying and not keeping with the unintrusive philosophy behind the Pre? Aug 01 17:35:08 gordian: not at all. <3 notifications Aug 01 17:35:18 when i flipped my Treo 650 into vibrate i knew i did it Aug 01 17:35:27 i didnt need a popup AND sound to confirm everything Aug 01 17:35:41 when i hung up on someone i KNOW the call ended Aug 01 17:36:33 and i didnt need the screen to go haywire when i plugged it in to charge, i just needed it to charge! Aug 01 17:36:45 <3 my Treo 650 Aug 01 17:55:50 any mods at precentral hanging out here? Aug 01 18:06:58 Can someone help me with SFTP and winSCP? Aug 01 18:13:46 ac Aug 01 18:15:14 :-) ac means nothing Aug 01 18:20:55 D0gManX: what kind of help Aug 01 18:26:10 anyone get this mod working? Aug 01 18:26:11 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Messaging_Change_%22Enter_Key%22_To_Create_Newline Aug 01 18:27:15 my appologies czarphanguye, I am in the #webos room as wel Aug 01 18:27:18 well* Aug 01 18:27:35 it has been a year since I took a basic course on linux/unix, and we used pico as our file editor Aug 01 18:27:50 someone in the other room instructed me to use nano Aug 01 18:28:16 I feel my problem lies in the end when I have to edit the sudo file Aug 01 18:28:36 to allow my user name write privileges Aug 01 18:29:47 D0gManX: using winscp your need to save the file to your pc, make changes, upload to your ~/ and then using ssh sudo cp urfile back to the original location. Aug 01 18:30:26 D0gManX: or you can log-in as root using winscp if you add your id_dsa.pub to /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys Aug 01 18:30:41 so its not as simple as 'drag and drop'? Aug 01 18:30:54 why not just use vi and edit the file Aug 01 18:31:01 with out this scp shit Aug 01 18:31:14 PuffTheMagic: I agree, vi/vim is your pref way to go Aug 01 18:31:35 well i have vi... but its on the pre by default Aug 01 18:31:36 so use it Aug 01 18:31:39 like I said, I am basically new to linux/unix Aug 01 18:31:41 s/have/hate Aug 01 18:32:05 I know its not difficult to operate in Aug 01 18:32:29 all I want to do is modify the boot screen images and other 'stock' images on the pre Aug 01 18:32:54 I am a graphic designer and want to spruce things up a bit Aug 01 18:33:13 reedy * r10520 optware/trunk/ (make/eggdrop.mk sources/eggdrop/003-language_c.patch) - Addition of 003-language_c.patch to eggdrop, to fix malformed language files as per https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/3980 Aug 01 18:37:42 reedy * r10521 optware/trunk/sources/eggdrop/003-language_c.patch - Minor fixup to 10520 (remove -patched from target directory) Aug 01 18:48:54 bzhou * r10522 optware/trunk/sources/eggdrop/003-language_c.patch - eggdrop: dos2unix 003 patch Aug 01 18:49:06 Sottey wiki * r3424 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Loading_Existing_Apps_Into_An_Eclipse_Project - New page: This guide assumes you have a rooted Pre, with SFTP access or a working emulator. If you don't, please follow the other guides on this wiki first. This guide also assumes that you have Ecl... Aug 01 18:50:11 how do I exit vi? Aug 01 18:50:28 all of the commands do not allow me exit Aug 01 18:50:45 (:q) (:q!) Aug 01 18:51:08 D0gManX: Esc, then :q! Aug 01 18:52:14 it reads last_modifying_cmd overrun Aug 01 18:54:49 D0gManX: idk Aug 01 18:55:24 shift ZZ saves it and closes it Aug 01 19:00:03 D0gManX: imho busybox's vi is epic. ipkg-opt install vim Aug 01 19:03:44 will try Aug 01 19:04:49 anyone know how to filter out the cia messages in mirc? Aug 01 19:06:03 hmmm its stuck on 'downloading' Aug 01 19:06:14 im assuming vim is not that big of an app Aug 01 19:06:28 it takes a moment Aug 01 19:06:41 Size: 6208105 Aug 01 19:06:51 ahhh Aug 01 19:06:56 bigger than I had expected Aug 01 19:09:51 Wow, I am not too impressed with the new Wiki. The directions on the old wiki were much more precise and methodical and less confusing. Aug 01 19:11:09 I've noticed for instance that there is no mention on the "Accessing Linux" page about when or how to enable Developer Mode Aug 01 19:12:17 Also seems that there is no clear instruction on how to use putty instead of this novacom terminal, although there are later references to using putty Aug 01 19:12:50 CreoBrian: It's a wiki, contribute your suggestions? Aug 01 19:13:02 yep Aug 01 19:13:13 instead of complaining, you should edit yourself! Aug 01 19:13:19 I wouldn't know where to begin; the content has changed drastically.. Aug 01 19:13:27 It's an open platform Aug 01 19:13:29 I don't know the answers to these questions myself Aug 01 19:14:28 I sent my Pre off to Palm for repair before the SDK was released, and only got it back yesterday. Back in the old days when I had my first Pre, the directions to enable root access, etc were long, but quite straightforward and very clearly laid out. Aug 01 19:14:35 Now I'm utterly lost. Aug 01 19:14:59 CreoBrian: the long instructions have been replaced by a script, for the most part Aug 01 19:15:04 You don't need those directions anymore, the SDK has made things easier Aug 01 19:15:34 CreoBrian: I think the page you're looking for is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm Aug 01 19:15:43 CreoBrian: now it's only a few steps..use novaterm, then ' wget http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/optware-bootstrap.sh'. that's about it. Aug 01 19:16:16 question -- trying to vim sudo, and it opens a bunch of jarbled nonsense Aug 01 19:16:19 The "Accessing Linux" portal page implies I should ignore that page if I have 64-bit vista Aug 01 19:16:23 what am I doing wrong? Aug 01 19:16:44 D0gManX: vim sudo? if you wanna edit sudo it's 'visudo' Aug 01 19:16:49 D0gManX: sudo is a binary... it's not really editable with a text editor Aug 01 19:17:01 I think the main problem I have with the Wiki is that the organization is very cluttered Aug 01 19:17:04 D0gManX: what are you trying to accomplish? Aug 01 19:17:07 there is not a clear path Aug 01 19:17:22 JackieRipper: trying to access the pre via SFTP Aug 01 19:17:26 Looks pretty clear to me Aug 01 19:17:35 per the directions on the wiki Aug 01 19:17:46 D0gManX: which page are you folling? Aug 01 19:17:50 er following Aug 01 19:17:56 at the very wend Aug 01 19:17:58 end* Aug 01 19:18:02 CreoBrian: I rooted using the old wiki steps and after Web DR format also felt very lost at the new wiki... Aug 01 19:18:09 when the instructions are to 'visudo' Aug 01 19:18:12 SDK > novacom/novaterm> palm-install Aug 01 19:18:13 I was told vim is better Aug 01 19:18:16 thanks czar Aug 01 19:18:20 for backing me up lol Aug 01 19:18:36 im having problmes with 'visudo' Aug 01 19:18:44 it will not let me save/exit Aug 01 19:18:51 so I was told to try vim Aug 01 19:18:52 D0gManX: ahhh I see... so what you want to do is: EDITOR=vim visudo Aug 01 19:19:18 perfect Aug 01 19:19:23 thanks JackieRipper Aug 01 19:19:28 visudo is what you use to edit the sudoers file... it will call your $EDITOR, normally vi Aug 01 19:20:02 in the old days, I just installed nano and assigned that as my editor... saved my life Aug 01 19:20:03 lol Aug 01 19:20:53 hmm its not really allowing me to edit the file Aug 01 19:20:57 whats the quit command? Aug 01 19:21:04 D0gManX: :q! Aug 01 19:21:07 I highly recommend installing nano Aug 01 19:21:18 vim > nano ;-) Aug 01 19:21:30 D0gManX: or possibly ESC :q Aug 01 19:21:31 :q! is not working Aug 01 19:21:44 it is just allowing me to type Aug 01 19:21:51 and not closing vim Aug 01 19:21:53 D0gManX: hit esc Aug 01 19:21:57 D0gManX: Esc + :wq Aug 01 19:21:59 then :q! Aug 01 19:22:43 does :wq save? Aug 01 19:22:48 no Aug 01 19:22:52 yes it does Aug 01 19:22:52 wait tes Aug 01 19:22:55 yes Aug 01 19:23:01 w = write Aug 01 19:23:01 [w]rite[q]uit Aug 01 19:23:08 wups Aug 01 19:23:19 now I have like 30 syntax errors in my sudoers file Aug 01 19:23:49 vim > nano, and yet this discussion would be completely unnecessary if they were using nano Aug 01 19:24:04 D0gManX: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Basic_Linux_Use Aug 01 19:24:11 has anyone had any issues w/ nano on pre? Aug 01 19:24:13 CreoBrian: D0gManX already tried nano, don't think that worked Aug 01 19:24:27 hm, worked for me... in the old days. Aug 01 19:24:30 i tried nano -c sudo Aug 01 19:24:44 trying to edit the sudoers file Aug 01 19:24:50 im assuming that is not the proper command Aug 01 19:24:52 D0gManX: EDITOR="nano -w" visudo Aug 01 19:25:07 D0gManX: only way to edit sudo is using visudo, you can't just open it using an editor. ;-x Aug 01 19:25:21 im quickly figuring that out :) Aug 01 19:25:30 the file being edited is sudoers Aug 01 19:25:39 i think I just typed "EDITOR=nano" and then as a new command, "visudo" Aug 01 19:25:40 that is /opt/etc/sudoers Aug 01 19:25:51 perfect, that works Aug 01 19:25:57 but its been 40 days since I had my first PRe Aug 01 19:26:03 CreoBrian: I /think/ if you do it on 2 lines, you will need export Aug 01 19:26:09 such as: Aug 01 19:26:15 nano reminds me of pico...which I used briefly about a year ago Aug 01 19:26:17 export EDITOR="nano -w" Aug 01 19:26:20 visudo Aug 01 19:26:27 I don't remember having to do that Aug 01 19:26:30 *shrug* Aug 01 19:26:36 D0gManX: nano is a gpl pico work-alike Aug 01 19:27:14 it's meant to have all of the functionality of pico Aug 01 19:27:59 ok, I added dev mode instructions to the accessing linux page Aug 01 19:28:15 Anyway I'll have to muddle my way through the new wiki later. take care all. Aug 01 19:29:59 very impressive script Jackie Aug 01 19:46:47 hmmm overwrote palm-logo-bright.png and now it will not switch between the palm-logo.png and the image I added Aug 01 19:47:49 it doesnt show palm-logo-bright at all? sure its the right size,etc? Aug 01 19:48:17 ya it didnt show it at all. Aug 01 19:48:28 does the size need to be 200x200? Aug 01 19:48:42 yes Aug 01 19:48:51 ahh Aug 01 19:49:03 I have it at 248x168 Aug 01 19:49:25 lol Aug 01 19:54:44 D0gManX: was it you who was having problems with winscp or something a bit earlier today? Aug 01 19:56:05 OK I got the optware-bootstrap installed. Can someone please enlighten me as to the purpose of the Quilt "multiple patch manager"? What kind of patches are we talking about here? Aug 01 19:57:12 simple patches that enable stuff like.... always allowing email to be used in landscape, and enabling the adding/removing of pages on the launcher Aug 01 19:57:15 some other stuff too. Aug 01 19:57:36 oh ok. Didn't 1.1 break most of those things anyway? Aug 01 19:57:50 at least I read something about that on PreCentral Aug 01 19:57:54 also for making connect4 give you unlimited games D: Aug 01 19:57:59 since the full ver isnt even out :/ Aug 01 19:57:59 lol Aug 01 19:58:19 nope Aug 01 19:58:29 1.1 didnt break more than 1 or 2 things Aug 01 19:58:35 useless things if i remember correctly. Aug 01 19:58:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Aug 01 19:58:55 that shows all things, and their compatibility. Aug 01 19:59:09 ah. Aug 01 20:00:12 the message forwarding is my favorite, along with adding/removing pages Aug 01 20:00:17 both super useful things. Aug 01 20:00:28 yeah, i wish there was a way to name each page tho :( Aug 01 20:00:40 Hmm I am living fine with the 3 pages Aug 01 20:00:44 message forwarding? I do love the add/remove pages hack. Aug 01 20:01:13 i have 5 pages... the three original, then one for homebrew apps, and one for app catalog apps. Aug 01 20:01:43 text message forwarding CreoBrian.. you just tap on a message, and it gives you the option to forward it. Aug 01 20:01:48 pretty cool stuff. Aug 01 20:01:53 When I got my refurbished pre back from Palm and it re-downloaded all my apps, suddenly my 3 pages were Looong Aug 01 20:01:58 well except page 3. Aug 01 20:02:27 i also like the camera mod that adds the button to turn the shutter sound on/off Aug 01 20:02:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/5b/Cameramod-SoundOn.png Aug 01 20:03:03 nice :) Aug 01 20:03:08 I just turn the ringer switch... Aug 01 20:03:14 Not very hard Aug 01 20:03:44 yeah, but this is just.. conveniant. Aug 01 20:03:45 can't wait til palm gives us video Aug 01 20:03:59 video wont happen for a while i suppose. Aug 01 20:04:01 so is the switch :P Aug 01 20:04:15 luckily im not one who uses video.. but i know a lot would like too. Aug 01 20:04:16 i'm sure it won't be til at LEAST 1.5 and prolly not 2.0 Aug 01 20:04:28 video would be huge Aug 01 20:04:48 there might be a 3rd app Aug 01 20:04:55 The OS needs significant optimization/enhancements before Video can be added Aug 01 20:05:49 think so? i guess the main thing is just disk-write speed.. Aug 01 20:05:55 well Aug 01 20:05:57 and compression of course Aug 01 20:06:13 There is no disk Aug 01 20:06:20 you know what i mean. Aug 01 20:06:43 You can't improve write speed on flash memory unless you use different memory Aug 01 20:06:50 ^^ Aug 01 20:06:56 the OS software needs the optimization Aug 01 20:07:02 thats what i mean Aug 01 20:07:30 what i love is.. palm cant drop support on the product Aug 01 20:07:34 its there only way of making money :P Aug 01 20:08:13 lol yes Aug 01 20:08:14 they are hanging on for dear life with the Pre atm Aug 01 20:08:20 i had an lg dare before this. Aug 01 20:08:33 THERE WERE LIKE, 15 APPS AFTER A YEAR ALMOST Aug 01 20:08:35 it sucked. Aug 01 20:08:44 21 million iPhones sold, Palm wishes they had those numbers Aug 01 20:08:53 yeah they do. Aug 01 20:08:56 Eguy all I'm saying is, those are the only two things i'm not sure about -- the efficiency with which the WebOS F.S. is capable of passing large volumes of streaming data off to the physical file system, and the efficiency with which WebOS uses the processor to perform compression operations. Aug 01 20:09:12 everyone who gets an iphone turns into a major dbag though. Aug 01 20:09:21 Yep Aug 01 20:09:25 yes, they do Aug 01 20:09:35 Good ol apple fanboys Aug 01 20:09:58 the iphone is a nice phone Aug 01 20:10:09 ha, your funny Aug 01 20:10:16 lol, it is Aug 01 20:10:20 not for me, i need the multitasking Aug 01 20:10:23 right. thats why i didn't buy an iphone -- I'd be plaing into Apple's smug little plan to take over the world by preying on the natural idiocy of humanity Aug 01 20:10:29 Very funny Aug 01 20:10:29 plaing = playing Aug 01 20:10:47 you can stop with the jokes now :P Aug 01 20:10:52 im serious :P Aug 01 20:10:53 jokes? Aug 01 20:10:59 i own a pre, and it is much better... for me. Aug 01 20:11:18 I love my Pre except for the wobbly screen Aug 01 20:11:22 and heat Aug 01 20:11:26 and battery life Aug 01 20:11:28 anyone know if the wifi chip supports monitor mode? Aug 01 20:11:29 :o Aug 01 20:11:30 and laggyness Aug 01 20:11:32 the heat only happens on charging Aug 01 20:11:40 my screen doesnt wobble at all Aug 01 20:11:43 I get heat when there is no signal Aug 01 20:11:45 iphone is a great phone, technically speaking. Its much too pretty for me, and i love multitasking, but Aug 01 20:11:48 battery life.. i guess i lucked out Aug 01 20:11:49 its great. Aug 01 20:12:00 Not with 2 push accounts ;) Aug 01 20:12:00 The number one reason I'm not an iphone user is because of Apple. Aug 01 20:12:01 laggyness, meh.. its 1.0 Aug 01 20:12:09 do you get any heat distortion on the screen when it gets hot? Aug 01 20:12:15 ahem 1.1 Aug 01 20:12:17 i have AIM logged in all day and google syncing. Aug 01 20:12:20 1.1 ;) Aug 01 20:12:32 i was saying in terms of the hardware Aug 01 20:12:40 its palms first of its kind. Aug 01 20:12:46 I have 3 spots but only visible if I look at me pre at a 90 degree angle Aug 01 20:12:48 iphone's gui handling is far superior to Pre's, i'll admit that openly. Aug 01 20:12:58 lies! Aug 01 20:13:02 :) Aug 01 20:13:14 the iphone is just faster. Aug 01 20:13:15 yeah, i have 2 small spots in the bottom right by launcher button & 1 small spot top left underneath window title Aug 01 20:13:33 + 1 stuck green pixel :/ Aug 01 20:13:33 but they cant pick up a call while gps is on in the car Aug 01 20:13:37 It's not actually faster. The iphone 3G is half the hardware the Pre is Aug 01 20:13:44 It is just a better GUI. Aug 01 20:13:52 I mean, technically. Aug 01 20:14:04 WebOS' human interface is Sheer Brilliant Aug 01 20:14:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYkH60w4Ns Aug 01 20:14:18 watch, lol Aug 01 20:14:18 but the iphone just has a better GUI manager. Aug 01 20:15:13 lol, please watch that video Aug 01 20:15:34 "we got feedback saying our users wanted a physical keyboard......so we added a compass, just the fuck with you" Aug 01 20:15:43 ya rofl i was just going to quote that haha Aug 01 20:15:43 LOL nice. Aug 01 20:15:43 lol yes Aug 01 20:15:50 I love the compass Aug 01 20:16:09 http://www.peteryan.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/photo1.jpg Aug 01 20:16:11 And this is why I'm not an iPhone user. Aug 01 20:16:38 Wheeee! Compass roulette! Aug 01 20:16:58 How the hell uses a compass on their phone Aug 01 20:17:12 correction: an inaccurate compass Aug 01 20:17:39 lmao, the added a compass Aug 01 20:17:42 and it doesnt even work Aug 01 20:17:42 iPhone users do because Apple told them it was OK. Aug 01 20:18:03 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steve+jobs Aug 01 20:18:08 all true Aug 01 20:18:16 #2 especially Aug 01 20:19:11 #6 as well Aug 01 20:19:14 and #7 Aug 01 20:19:57 hey folks, i'm getting the Optware package DB problem, thats a common one isn't it? Aug 01 20:20:01 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=steve%20jobs&page=2 these people speak the truth Aug 01 20:22:20 kope32: what kind of problem? Aug 01 20:23:06 sorry, i was trying to set up quilt using the automated process... Aug 01 20:23:26 and got this error: Aug 01 20:23:29 Updating the Optware package database: FAILED Aug 01 20:23:52 can you pastebin the log? Aug 01 20:24:17 JackieRipper: you around? Aug 01 20:24:25 heh Aug 01 20:25:00 what's up xvalx Aug 01 20:25:03 hey man, just noticed you updated messaging-sounds Aug 01 20:25:04 sure, as soon as i figure out how to pastebin :-) Aug 01 20:25:19 JackieRipper: any improvements? Aug 01 20:25:31 kope32: http://predev.pastebin.com/ Aug 01 20:25:45 paste the contents of the log file there Aug 01 20:25:58 xvalx: I split it into two patches Aug 01 20:26:16 one does the messaging app; one does the sounds and ringtones app Aug 01 20:26:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Message_Sound Aug 01 20:27:09 http://predev.pastebin.com/m15621a05 Aug 01 20:27:11 It's also updated for 1.1, as Palm changed some things in the message app Aug 01 20:27:40 JackieRipper: were you able to solve the sounds while on a call? Aug 01 20:27:53 xvalx: not yet, but making progress Aug 01 20:28:34 kope32: did you do this first? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Message_Sound Aug 01 20:28:36 JackieRipper: cool Aug 01 20:28:39 oops wrong paste Aug 01 20:28:47 kope32: did you do this first? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 01 20:30:24 nope, looks like i missed that step Aug 01 20:45:11 ok, i got a little farther, i think im at least on the right tradk Aug 01 20:45:14 *track Aug 01 20:46:09 now my problem is when i type git pull it says git is not found Aug 01 20:49:01 kope32: after doing http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps, did you re-run the script here? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches Aug 01 20:49:22 yeah, i did re-run it from there Aug 01 20:49:26 the script in step 2 of the second link installs git and quilt Aug 01 20:49:35 echo $PATH Aug 01 20:50:03 and it said that they were installed... Aug 01 20:50:14 kope32: run this: Aug 01 20:50:45 . /etc/profile.d/optware Aug 01 20:50:56 (the leading . is important) Aug 01 20:51:27 ok,done Aug 01 20:51:32 and then rerun the script in step 2 Aug 01 20:51:55 ahh...looks better already, i'll run that script again Aug 01 20:52:19 one quick question, what is the easiest way to change the user that i entered in the prvious script? Aug 01 20:52:43 change the name? Aug 01 20:52:47 yeah Aug 01 20:53:04 rerun the script... It will ask you if you want to enter a new user Aug 01 20:53:11 ok, cool, thanks Aug 01 20:53:31 the script is designed to check that each step is already done before it performs it Aug 01 20:53:42 so it won't mess anything up to run it multiple times Aug 01 20:58:23 awesome, I got it all set up and installed the patch i wanted, thanks to much for your help! Aug 01 20:58:56 one last question, is there an easy way to remove the other user and to change passwords? Aug 01 21:02:09 just through regular linux commands i suppose right? Aug 01 21:03:18 kope32: deluser and/or passwd Aug 01 21:03:51 thanks Aug 01 22:11:08 Hey guys, I have a question about the Calendar app. Is this the right room for that sorta thing? Aug 01 22:39:04 wow Aug 01 22:39:21 I've never had expllorer crash on me before from a simple 'back' command... Aug 01 22:49:56 * Templarian waits for the 118 tabs in firefox to reload... hmm. Aug 01 22:50:38 * aYellowBanana laughs Aug 01 22:50:40 nice Aug 01 22:50:54 * aYellowBanana is afk Aug 01 23:02:00 anyone around? ive rooted, ive imported pathces, but im getting a read only file system error on patching Aug 01 23:02:13 root@castle:/# quilt push -a Aug 01 23:02:14 mkdir: cannot create directory '.pc': Read-only file system Aug 01 23:02:56 mount -o remount,rw / Aug 01 23:03:00 mount -o read.rw / Aug 01 23:03:06 whoah wtf did I type Aug 01 23:03:10 hahaha Aug 01 23:03:15 thanks tzmt, you beat me to it >_> Aug 01 23:03:54 nice! thanks .. unless im blind, the wiki left that out Aug 01 23:04:22 oh, no, it didnt, its under manual, i used scripted ans the script didnt do it Aug 01 23:05:35 hmm couple of em failed too :/ Aug 01 23:05:57 reboot, see what took :P Aug 01 23:06:04 BsCaBl: we usually don't put that in the script, cause then the script has to guess whether the user want to keep the rootfs r/w afterwards, or put it back to r/o (but if it was r/w to start with that would confuse the user) Aug 01 23:06:31 rwhitby: ahh makes sense Aug 01 23:06:39 usually we put a sentence like "you should be logged in as root with a writable filesystem" before the instructions, and assume people know how to do that by the time they get there. Aug 01 23:07:06 i have -limited- linux experience, and can follow written directions, so i figured id play a little.. Aug 01 23:07:44 i wonder why some of them failed. Aug 01 23:07:48 BsCaBl, just ask whenever you need help. Aug 01 23:07:58 BsCaBl, could it be compatibility issues? Aug 01 23:08:06 looks like the browser one.. enable downloads Aug 01 23:10:55 oh this is amazing.. text ringers.. sms forwards, i like this phone even more now Aug 01 23:15:02 the beauty of having a mainly open source system ^.^ Aug 01 23:18:08 RodWhitby wiki * r3439 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User_talk:Topher213 - New page: I rolled back your edits on the Applying Patches page. The comments were intentionally on the same line so that people notice them. If they are on a subsequent line people will type the ... Aug 01 23:18:42 CIA-29, I hope you roast in an open pit. Aug 01 23:19:22 BsCaBl: I'm still workign on getting the forwarding "just right" but it's getting there Aug 01 23:20:22 I would be all over making patches, but unfortunately I'm all worked up with porting something to the pre :( Aug 01 23:20:36 it'll be out soon, hopefully ;) Aug 01 23:21:16 rwhitby: usertalk should not be in CIA :) Aug 01 23:21:27 I think I would like to make a "turn on sshd" app... simpilar interface to the dev mode enabler Aug 01 23:21:50 JackieRipper, sort of like Bossprefs for the iPhone? Aug 01 23:21:51 how is it related to dev mode? Aug 01 23:21:56 on/off controls for all services? Aug 01 23:22:01 though one that could bind it to proper interface would be nice Aug 01 23:22:18 tmzt: it's not related, except for the interface I have in mind Aug 01 23:22:41 I don't really like using (only) firewall to control services Aug 01 23:22:45 Tap sshd icon, toggle on Aug 01 23:23:01 ssh should just bind to the proper interface for wifi or usb, etc. Aug 01 23:23:06 there's no need to have it running all the time Aug 01 23:23:11 so a "Developer Tools" ? Aug 01 23:23:18 why not? Aug 01 23:23:29 it should have almost no cpu usage when not in use Aug 01 23:23:39 it just selects/polls/listens a socket Aug 01 23:23:41 it has a memory foot print Aug 01 23:23:43 (server socket) Aug 01 23:23:49 small, but it's there Aug 01 23:24:29 you can use tcpd or inetd if it's a concern Aug 01 23:24:35 those are even smaller Aug 01 23:24:46 sure Aug 01 23:24:48 but really, it should just swap out the text when not in use Aug 01 23:24:58 or you can trust that linux knows what it's doing Aug 01 23:25:08 if something needs the ram it should swap out the text Aug 01 23:26:05 what's wrong with turing it off when not in use? Aug 01 23:26:26 what's the point of having it then? Aug 01 23:26:32 it's a remote access daemon Aug 01 23:27:39 ok... Aug 01 23:28:37 I mean, that's obvious Aug 01 23:28:54 what does that have to do with the ability to easily turn the daemon on or off? Aug 01 23:29:56 tmzt: looking at how to filter what pages CIA reports on ... Aug 01 23:32:05 tmzt: my intention is for CIA to only report newly-created content pages Aug 01 23:32:34 right Aug 01 23:35:55 JackieRipper: i havent tested it since i applied it, but the button being there is nice in itself :P Aug 01 23:36:16 forward? Aug 01 23:36:48 im wondering tho, in quilt, there [yea, forward] are things in the modifications area that arent *.patch.. what are they ? Aug 01 23:37:13 example being: powersave-cpu-scaling Aug 01 23:37:13 scripts that do patching Aug 01 23:37:18 perhaps? Aug 01 23:37:21 maybe Aug 01 23:37:36 how do you add items to a list widget programmatically? Aug 01 23:37:40 ask rwhitby Aug 01 23:37:45 but he seems to be busy Aug 01 23:37:50 dom? Aug 01 23:37:52 for the forwarding, it forwards messages, or attachments, but not both (yet) Aug 01 23:37:52 i absolutly hate VI so im trying not to manually edit anything i dont have to.. if i could figure out how to put pico on this thing id have already done it Aug 01 23:37:57 what output settings do I need for handbrake to have it actually play? Aug 01 23:38:03 I used the default 'basic' output settings. Aug 01 23:38:05 JackieRipper: ahh cool Aug 01 23:38:05 BsCaBl: install nano Aug 01 23:38:12 getting 'error playing file' Aug 01 23:38:14 BsCaBl: ipkg -o /var install nano Aug 01 23:38:14 any php experts in the channel? what's the best way of matching a php variable against a list of strings, and do something only if it matches one of the strings? Aug 01 23:38:18 it's a pico work-alike Aug 01 23:38:18 nano? Aug 01 23:38:24 nice! :D Aug 01 23:38:26 not from iw Aug 01 23:38:39 rwhitby: in? Aug 01 23:38:40 BsCaBl: scripts that do things like changing sqlite database schemas Aug 01 23:38:44 rwhitby: sorry not a php expert Aug 01 23:38:51 the script should have a comment at the top Aug 01 23:38:55 BsCaBl: http://www.nano-editor.org/ Aug 01 23:38:57 hmm nano failed Aug 01 23:39:08 BsCaBl: ipkg-opt install nano Aug 01 23:39:13 failed? Aug 01 23:39:22 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Aug 01 23:39:22 Collected errors: Aug 01 23:39:22 Cannot find package nano. Aug 01 23:39:22 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' Aug 01 23:39:30 BsCaBl: from ipkg-opt ? Aug 01 23:40:07 ah the opt one worked Aug 01 23:40:08 :D Aug 01 23:40:09 I think we need two scripts. One called 'optware' and one called 'preware', and they are wrappers around ipkg-opt and ipkg -o /var respectively. Aug 01 23:40:21 rwhitby: does $scalar in @array work? Aug 01 23:40:43 not one for hiding functionality needlessly Aug 01 23:40:52 oh good.. now i can do edits without crying lol, i never got the hang of vi, even tho ive been playing with this stuff loosly since the 90's Aug 01 23:41:28 tmzt: http://au.php.net/in_array seems to be it Aug 01 23:41:39 hi, last night i installed optware on my pre Aug 01 23:41:55 tmzt: you'd still type 'optware install nano' - it's an alias rather than hiding functionality Aug 01 23:41:55 and now i cant figure out how to SSH into my pre or log in as root even Aug 01 23:42:02 BsCaBl: I've never used pico myself, but from what I understand, nano is pretty good at replicating the interface Aug 01 23:42:11 JackieRipper: yea, its almost exact Aug 01 23:42:24 JackieRipper: i just opened it to look and all the commands are the same Aug 01 23:42:41 there's actually a pico-mode Aug 01 23:42:51 i should have enabled over wifi tho, i did evdo only like an idiot :P Aug 01 23:44:08 can someone please help me really quickly? Aug 01 23:44:26 rwhitby: shoud a scripting language really need a full page of explainations/workarounds like that? Aug 01 23:45:16 tmzt: well, it's helping me be able to edit a language that I don't normally use ... Aug 01 23:45:31 hckyplayer024_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps is where you wanna be Aug 01 23:45:48 any other wiki namespaces that should be excluded from CIA notification? Aug 01 23:45:53 you need to follow the entire page.. [i just did it, day 2 pre owner] Aug 01 23:46:21 grats BsCaBl hehe Aug 01 23:46:29 you like it? :) Aug 01 23:46:32 BsCaBl I already installed optware and created another user and enabled SSH over wifi and EVDO but I cannot access my pre via USB now Aug 01 23:46:43 by typing novaterm into terminal (i have a mac) Aug 01 23:46:51 aYellowBanana: im lovin it so far Aug 01 23:46:54 hckyplayer024_: did you turn off dev mode? Aug 01 23:47:19 JackieRipper Yes I did last night but I turned it on in the morning Aug 01 23:47:29 not sure then Aug 01 23:47:46 aYellowBanana: im still tryin to figure out the "non" quilt pathces.. like shutter sound on camera, im not really sure what to do there yet.. but im looking at it Aug 01 23:47:51 i should still be able to log in via terminal with novaterm right? Aug 01 23:48:14 BsCaBl: that one requires a new image file Aug 01 23:48:22 and it wont even let me SSH or SFTP when I try it Aug 01 23:48:28 hckyplayer024_: back to square 1, act like u never rooted, try to get it over usb, make sure service is running etc etc Aug 01 23:48:43 JackieRipper: yea, they have the dl link for the image, then a LOT of code, but no makers on what needs changing Aug 01 23:49:09 BsCaBl: you mean try to set up my computer for rooting again? Aug 01 23:49:54 im familiar with editing css and java code [hck, yea, make sure the computer is set up right first, less sensative than the phone :P] im the aimadhack author.. but this is a little more sensative, since its my phone lol Aug 01 23:51:11 alright I'll try again and get back here if I need more help then. thanks Aug 01 23:53:24 this is very ubuntu'y, is it also based on debian ? Aug 01 23:53:50 it's s stripped to the bone ubuntu-based, yeah. Aug 01 23:54:01 minus apt, replace with optware. Aug 01 23:54:04 ahhh makes sense that i unerstand some of it Aug 01 23:54:14 and you can even get apt if you set up the debian chroot ;) Aug 01 23:54:21 aim ad hack is hosted on an ubuntu machine [used to be slack till the hdd died] Aug 01 23:54:22 yeah, i have debian on mine. Aug 01 23:54:27 this is actually a system that isn't so bareboned as others. It's great! Aug 01 23:54:39 wait, you have debian on yer pre? Aug 01 23:54:42 yeah. Aug 01 23:54:44 sweet! Aug 01 23:54:50 BsCaBl: it's based on OpenEmbedded, not Ubuntu or Debian Aug 01 23:54:55 ah Aug 01 23:55:00 there's instructions on the wiki. Aug 01 23:55:03 this phone, i gotta say, is amazing Aug 01 23:55:19 is uBoot the bootloader? Aug 01 23:55:36 it's closer to ubuntu than debian. Aug 01 23:55:37 Bootie is the boot loader Aug 01 23:55:40 OpenEmbedded, has distant roots in both Debian and Gentoo, but is really a distribution (or actually a tool for creating embedded distributions) all of its own. Aug 01 23:55:46 though the familiar it got that from was more debian at the time. Aug 01 23:55:46 now if i could fully grasp how to apply patches not in quilt [as all i see is code with no "edit this" lines] ill be golden Aug 01 23:56:11 aren't those diff files? Aug 01 23:56:38 * rwhitby has added namespace filtering to CIA wiki notification Aug 01 23:58:01 dunno Aug 01 23:58:06 im still a pre-newbie :P Aug 01 23:58:20 tho i rooted on my own [cept for the r/w issue :P thanks again] Aug 01 23:59:53 * rwhitby points to http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce for those who haven't joined it yet Aug 02 00:01:48 i gotta say, i love how friendly and helpfull the developer community is for this device :D Aug 02 00:05:57 yeah, this community rocks. ^.^ Aug 02 00:21:10 hey guys Aug 02 00:21:22 i checked my computer and everything is fine but I still cant access my pre Aug 02 00:23:28 i was just wondering if logging into root access on the pre should be the same after installing optware Aug 02 00:24:23 hckyplayer024: you should be able to ssh into your pre over wifi or evdo, depending on what you chose when setting up optware Aug 02 00:24:34 i chose both Aug 02 00:24:40 ok Aug 02 00:24:45 can you ssh in? Aug 02 00:24:51 do I have to ssh from terminal Aug 02 00:25:05 yes Aug 02 00:25:07 because I have a program called transmission Aug 02 00:25:17 okay how do i do that again? Aug 02 00:25:32 what is transmission? Aug 02 00:25:43 its an SFTP program for os x Aug 02 00:25:48 and torrents and stuff Aug 02 00:26:09 im sorry transmit not transmission Aug 02 00:26:14 hckyplayer024: ssh -p 222 -l yourusername IP Aug 02 00:26:46 okay Aug 02 00:26:57 if im connected via wifi do i have to do port forwarding? Aug 02 00:27:32 for what purpose? Aug 02 00:27:55 to forward port 222 to the pre? Aug 02 00:28:16 if you're connecting via wifi, your pre should have an internal addess Aug 02 00:28:30 okay Aug 02 00:28:32 hckyplayer024: ssh -p 222 -l yourusername 192.168.X.X Aug 02 00:28:48 how do i find out what internal address my pre was assigned Aug 02 00:28:55 from my router? Aug 02 00:29:03 the pre will tell you Aug 02 00:29:16 open the wifi app Aug 02 00:29:33 * rwhitby just added a postinst script to termplugin to do the symlink, and added a Depends: to terminal to make it automatically install termplugin. Aug 02 00:29:37 and tap your network Aug 02 00:29:46 ahhh i see Aug 02 00:29:51 okay let me try that really quickly Aug 02 00:29:52 thanks Aug 02 00:30:49 does it normally take a long time to connect over wifi? Aug 02 00:31:00 hckyplayer024: no, not usually Aug 02 00:31:07 oh... plug in the pre Aug 02 00:31:18 to a charger] Aug 02 00:31:29 so it wont go to sleep huh Aug 02 00:31:30 the wifi connection closes when the screen goes to sleep Aug 02 00:31:58 k ill try again it timed out because my screen turned off Aug 02 00:33:22 yeah its still not working over wifi Aug 02 00:33:53 hckyplayer024: run me through the steps you performed Aug 02 00:34:01 rwhitby: symlink? Aug 02 00:34:08 today or last night? Aug 02 00:34:16 whatever Aug 02 00:34:25 you did dev mode... then novaterm Aug 02 00:34:28 ln -s /var/usr/lib/BrowserPlugins/termplugin.so /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins/termplugin.so Aug 02 00:34:59 did you manallu set everything up, or run the script? Aug 02 00:35:06 yes and then I followed the instructions to install optware Aug 02 00:35:10 the script Aug 02 00:35:14 k Aug 02 00:35:22 created username as daniel Aug 02 00:35:25 and set a password Aug 02 00:35:35 then chose the option for WIFI and EVDO Aug 02 00:35:39 k Aug 02 00:36:25 then I patched my battery meter Aug 02 00:36:31 so it shows the percent next to it Aug 02 00:36:42 cool Aug 02 00:36:42 rwhitby: would adding /var to /etc/ld.so.conf work? Aug 02 00:36:48 and today when I woke up I connected my pre via USB Aug 02 00:37:02 and typed novaterm into terminal Aug 02 00:37:03 or having a search path for browser plugins Aug 02 00:37:03 oh Aug 02 00:37:08 this is Palm stuff Aug 02 00:37:10 tmzt: it would, but then you'd be messing with a file that Palm can overwrite at any time with an OTA update Aug 02 00:37:12 and it said failed to connect Aug 02 00:37:18 ah Aug 02 00:37:24 hckyplayer024: did you have devmode on then? Aug 02 00:37:26 so you need something to restore symlinks on boot? Aug 02 00:37:45 the first time I did it i forgot to turn devmode back on Aug 02 00:37:51 so I unplugged Aug 02 00:37:56 turned on devmode Aug 02 00:38:01 and plugged it back it Aug 02 00:38:05 closed out of terminal Aug 02 00:38:13 nice - towers of hanoi works in emacs in terminal Aug 02 00:38:16 and opened it back up and still wont connect Aug 02 00:38:31 tmzt: no, /var is persistent on the Pre Aug 02 00:38:45 I have to run... sorry hckyplayer024 Aug 02 00:38:51 just needed the postinst to create the symlink on install Aug 02 00:38:53 that's okay Aug 02 00:38:59 ill try again later Aug 02 00:39:00 thanks Aug 02 00:39:09 I would think you may have to pull the battery and put it back in while holding the up volume button Aug 02 00:39:13 and I'm convincing the WebOS Quick Install author to support postinst and prerm files ... Aug 02 00:39:20 I did that Aug 02 00:39:20 someone else here may have other ideas Aug 02 00:39:25 and tried webos doctor Aug 02 00:39:31 and the next button stays gray Aug 02 00:40:56 ill try some other stuff and come back Aug 02 00:40:57 thanks Aug 02 00:44:16 * rwhitby bbl Aug 02 01:07:44 need help with adding disk to emulator http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_Disks_to_the_Emulator have followed exactly but emulator still doesn Aug 02 01:07:50 't see drive Aug 02 01:08:16 base drive is vmdk but new drive is vdi tried qemu but no go Aug 02 01:08:30 qemu-img ? Aug 02 01:08:40 what do you mean by base drive? Aug 02 01:08:43 qemu-img convert Aug 02 01:08:59 the drive that first install on Vbox by SDK Aug 02 01:09:31 also tried vboxmange convert to raw then qemu-img :( Aug 02 01:11:20 am on windows machine so qemu stops convert (or hangs???) after only 1026 KB Aug 02 01:16:48 ill be back tomorrow.. on my way out.. thanks everyone! Aug 02 01:37:42 :( has no one else added a drive to the Emulator? Aug 02 01:49:57 hey yall Aug 02 01:50:27 what is the command to see the evdo ip, dns etc information Aug 02 01:52:15 joesmith: ifconfig Aug 02 01:52:48 hey guys, ive asked this a few times, but has anyone got the mod that makes it so when you press enter while texting it starts a new line...? Aug 02 01:53:03 I thought so, hmm its not working out Aug 02 01:54:13 hm... thats weird... what happened to my ifconfig command... Aug 02 01:55:30 let me try to restart my phone... Aug 02 02:00:32 ah, hm... Aug 02 02:00:49 i see, path isnt set correctly... Aug 02 02:02:07 hello Aug 02 02:02:30 anyone at home? Aug 02 02:04:19 im at home Aug 02 02:05:08 what's up. i have a question or two. got here from webos-internals.org Aug 02 02:05:41 ok Aug 02 02:05:47 just ask, we'll try and answer Aug 02 02:06:42 i'm trying to debug the Pre. i have both the Beezlewaxin and the GakAsterman drivers. neither seem to work, though. They give a 'Code 39' error in WinXP Aug 02 02:07:49 caleb_: dont know anything about that, but im sure someone else here does Aug 02 02:08:34 ok, thanks. incase someone else is listening, i'm on webOS 1.1.0, if that makes a difference. Aug 02 02:08:49 !seen destinal Aug 02 02:08:50 :) Aug 02 02:08:52 so my other question is, how do i downgrade to 1.0.3, if that's what's required Aug 02 02:09:52 tlz: isnt it ~seen? Aug 02 02:10:07 eh, it depends lol Aug 02 02:10:15 some people's scripts use !, and some use ~ Aug 02 02:10:19 ~seen destinal Aug 02 02:10:22 destinal was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 10h 7m 23s ago, saying: 'well I should turn off wifi, there are radios but I fear to use them out here. defcon's wifi network has been termed "the world's most hostile network"'. Aug 02 02:10:27 word Aug 02 02:10:40 cool Aug 02 02:10:48 yeah, infobot is awesome Aug 02 02:13:36 ifconfig doesnt seem to give me dns info Aug 02 02:18:03 anyone? anyone? Aug 02 02:18:07 Hi, I'm just here because I need some help. Last night I installed optware on my pre to change the battery meter to show the percentage next to it and I was successful. This morning I tried to root into my pre by typing novaterm in terminal like I always do but this time it said failed to connect to server. I tried to SSH into the pre with the Username i created yesterday but it keeps timing out. Any suggestio Aug 02 02:18:37 using the correct ip address? Aug 02 02:18:57 yeah. Ive tried with WIFI and EVDO Aug 02 02:19:03 using the local ip with wifi Aug 02 02:19:21 port 222? Aug 02 02:19:25 yup Aug 02 02:20:01 what do I run in terminal again Aug 02 02:20:08 its ssh -p 222 Aug 02 02:20:18 -l username password? Aug 02 02:20:22 what program are you using to ssh? putty? Aug 02 02:20:31 terminal, I have a mac Aug 02 02:20:55 ooo, not familiar with the mac :( Aug 02 02:20:57 try and reboot ur pre Aug 02 02:21:01 i have Aug 02 02:21:16 I have putty too let me use parallels to open windows too Aug 02 02:21:20 hmmm, turn on dev mode and do the novaproxy? Aug 02 02:21:49 I'm just wondering how com I cant connect to the pre via USB? Aug 02 02:21:56 i used to just type novaterm Aug 02 02:21:59 and it connected Aug 02 02:22:03 root@castle Aug 02 02:22:13 now it just times out? Aug 02 02:22:21 it says failed to connect to server Aug 02 02:22:43 so then I thought okay well Ill just reinstall webos with webos doctor Aug 02 02:22:54 but the next screen is gray when I plug in my pre Aug 02 02:23:00 even though it is connected Aug 02 02:23:13 hmmmm, is it even turning on? Aug 02 02:23:14 and I even tried doing the thing where you push up on the volume rocker Aug 02 02:23:19 yeah my pre is fine Aug 02 02:23:24 i can use it and it works Aug 02 02:23:39 dang, not sure man Aug 02 02:23:47 i just cant root into it or install anymore homebrew from my comp, I have to use file coaster Aug 02 02:32:16 Hey guys; quick question: does the Pre always change IP addresses so often? Aug 02 02:32:35 mine hasn't since ive added it to my wireless network Aug 02 02:32:44 what the heck Aug 02 02:32:53 I keep trying to SSH in, but each time I try the IP address is different Aug 02 02:35:38 Anyone have any information? Aug 02 02:36:01 sorry buddy, im at a loss on that one Aug 02 02:36:32 Ah, alright; thanks anyway Aug 02 02:36:56 to whomever wrote quiltbootstrap.sh, Thank you! Aug 02 02:37:30 i been busy with some code releases at work, i see the new wiki is looking awesome! Aug 02 02:41:00 can anyone give direction on how to downgrade to 1.0.3 from 1.1.0 ? Aug 02 02:43:41 lol, why would you need to do that? Aug 02 02:43:50 i'd guess you could do it using the webos doctor for 1.0.3 Aug 02 02:44:09 that's what i'm currently working on, opie_. got the doctor on the download Aug 02 02:44:31 seems like a good place to start Aug 02 02:44:36 it might force you to upgrade though Aug 02 02:44:41 Decimation, because the beezle and GazAsterman drivers aren't working, and i suspect it's 1.1.0 Aug 02 02:44:52 i think there is a way to disable the upgrade but i don't know anything about that Aug 02 02:45:42 well, my real question is, why aren't those diag drivers working (they give error 'code 39') **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009