**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 04 02:59:57 2009
Aug 04 03:00:04 <egaudet> Is there a howto on creating a dbus service anywhere?
Aug 04 03:01:25 <bpadalino> yes, check the webos-internals git
Aug 04 03:01:29 <bpadalino> there is an example java service
Aug 04 03:01:46 <epv> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/
Aug 04 03:02:23 <epv> there's HelloService, is that it?
Aug 04 03:02:44 <bpadalino> something like that
Aug 04 03:03:07 <tlz> so when i do git pull, in /opt/src/modifications
Aug 04 03:03:13 <tlz> which repository is it pulling from
Aug 04 03:03:18 <egaudet> ok thanks... been a while since I've done java, i'll go brush up
Aug 04 03:14:48 <destinal> tharris-: hey
Aug 04 03:15:08 <tharris-> hey
Aug 04 03:15:10 <tharris-> hows things
Aug 04 03:15:29 <tharris-> http://tlhsecurity.blogspot.com/2009/08/palm-pre-webos-104-remote-execution-of.html =p
Aug 04 03:16:16 <tlz> hey destinal
Aug 04 03:16:39 <destinal> tharris-: good find, nice to see the advisories coming out in detail (from you at least if not palm)
Aug 04 03:16:58 <destinal> tlz: hi
Aug 04 03:17:02 <tlz> how goes it sir
Aug 04 03:17:07 <tharris-> yeah its def a slow process
Aug 04 03:17:18 <tharris-> i ahve submitted to all major mailing lists
Aug 04 03:17:27 <tlz> heh, im a follower on tharris' blog
Aug 04 03:17:50 <tharris-> are u?
Aug 04 03:17:53 <tlz> yeah
Aug 04 03:17:58 <tharris-> thats like 2
Aug 04 03:18:07 <tlz> ive been one lol
Aug 04 03:18:13 <tharris-> been like 2
Aug 04 03:18:13 <tlz> i think i was the first follower
Aug 04 03:18:29 <destinal> I've got it in my google reader rss feed, wonder if that shows up.
Aug 04 03:18:32 <tlz> im "dustin patton" on your followers list
Aug 04 03:18:33 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 03:18:37 <destinal> guessing no
Aug 04 03:18:50 <tharris-> dunno i made a few changes to it
Aug 04 03:18:56 <tmzt> the number does, not who is reading it
Aug 04 03:19:14 <tharris-> I have 2 more to release once they are fixed
Aug 04 03:19:19 <tharris-> one is a biggin =p
Aug 04 03:19:45 <tlz> hey destinal, when i installed mytether, it removed webosinternals.services, does that affect the terminal app at all?
Aug 04 03:20:22 <destinal> tlz: no, terminal uses no services, only plugin
Aug 04 03:21:14 <tlz> gotcha
Aug 04 03:24:53 <d03boy> I used novaterm to create a user/pass for myself but... now what?
Aug 04 03:25:02 <d03boy> I cant ssh via EVDO
Aug 04 03:27:08 <epv> ssh in or out?
Aug 04 03:27:21 <d03boy> in? I'm not even sure how I would ssh out
Aug 04 03:28:19 <epv> if you want to ssh in, you need to have an ssh server (dropbear or openssh) running and open an inbound port for connections with iptables.. i think there's instructions on the wiki
Aug 04 03:28:56 <d03boy> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps
Aug 04 03:29:27 <d03boy> I have done this but at the bottom it just says "Once you are finished, you may SSH into your Pre..."
Aug 04 03:29:28 <epv> its useful to subscribe to some dyndns service so you can always get to it when the ip address changes
Aug 04 03:29:35 <tlz> destinal, in your opinion, is it better to have dropbear, or openssh installed
Aug 04 03:29:55 <destinal> tlz: dropbear, smaller memory footprint
Aug 04 03:30:33 <tlz> what features, of important does openssh have that dropbear doesnt
Aug 04 03:30:38 <destinal> you can also install openssh's sftp server binary at no additional cost (when not connected) to get sftp / sshfs, etc
Aug 04 03:30:51 <tlz> im having trouble with sftp
Aug 04 03:30:53 <tlz> i installed it
Aug 04 03:30:57 <tlz> but it doesn't connect
Aug 04 03:31:36 <d03boy> oh the instructions say port 222
Aug 04 03:31:38 <Rubin> so javascript errors are supposed to show up somewhere, right?
Aug 04 03:31:46 <tlz> says cannot intialize sftp, is host running a server
Aug 04 03:39:10 <d03boy> awesome. ssh works now
Aug 04 03:39:14 <epv> hooray
Aug 04 03:39:28 <d03boy> you are a super amazing human being
Aug 04 03:39:40 <tlz> epv, now help me fix my sftp ;)
Aug 04 03:39:41 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 03:40:26 <epv> you could use port 22, but incoming tcp connection requests can wake the phone from sleep, and there are lots and lots of virus/bot/whatever things out there that try to connect to port 22, and it could easily end up killing your battery life
Aug 04 03:40:49 <tlz> u talkin to me, or d03boy
Aug 04 03:40:54 <epv> d03boy
Aug 04 03:41:08 <epv> which direction are you trying to use sftp? accessing the pre from a computer, or vice versa?
Aug 04 03:41:40 <tlz> computer
Aug 04 03:42:14 <epv> sftp -o Port=222 your.pre's.ip.addr doesn't work?
Aug 04 03:42:26 <tlz> leme try
Aug 04 03:42:28 <tlz> im using winscp
Aug 04 03:43:04 <tlz> -sh: sftp: not found
Aug 04 03:43:08 <tlz> thats what i got when i typed it in putty
Aug 04 03:43:10 <epv> oh, i dunno how that works, but make sure you're using the right port number. Which ssh server do you have installed on the pre?
Aug 04 03:43:28 <tlz> dropbear
Aug 04 03:43:33 <tlz> it worked previously
Aug 04 03:43:39 <tlz> how do i tell if my sftp is even started?
Aug 04 03:43:56 <epv> if the pre end can't find sftp, it might be a path problem.
Aug 04 03:44:21 <epv> you can ssh in to the pre okay
Aug 04 03:44:22 <epv> ?
Aug 04 03:44:26 <tlz> yeah
Aug 04 03:46:41 <epv> and is there an sftp binary somewhere? you might need to edit your shell's profile script to add the directory the sftp binary is in to your PATH variable
Aug 04 03:47:25 <epv> i don't recall what executable it runs on the remote end to handle an sftp session, but your error message would indicate it's sftp
Aug 04 03:48:49 <tlz> hmm
Aug 04 03:48:51 <tmzt> '/usr/lib/sftp-server or something like that
Aug 04 03:48:59 <tmzt> it's not in the path
Aug 04 03:49:14 <epv> looks like /opt/libexec/sftp-server on mine
Aug 04 03:49:35 <epv> so i dunno why tlz is getting "-sh: sftp: not found" from winscp
Aug 04 03:49:52 <tlz> /opt/libexec/sftp-server
Aug 04 03:50:24 <tlz> how can i tell if its running
Aug 04 03:50:32 <tlz> i dont see anything when i do ps x
Aug 04 03:50:36 <epv> ps axw | grep sftp-server
Aug 04 03:50:50 <epv> it only runs when you have a session established
Aug 04 03:51:00 <epv> so you won't see it, since you can't establish a session to begin with
Aug 04 03:51:06 <tlz> ahh boo
Aug 04 03:51:39 <epv> you need to figure out what winscp is trying to do, it sounds wrong
Aug 04 03:51:55 <tlz> i followed all the instructions on the wiki
Aug 04 03:52:37 <tlz> damn stfp
Aug 04 03:52:38 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 03:52:52 <epv> do you have a non-windows account you can try from?
Aug 04 03:53:00 <tlz> nop :\
Aug 04 03:54:18 <tharris-> night all
Aug 04 03:54:38 <tlz> night sir
Aug 04 03:58:12 <d03boy> now I need to be able to SSH out
Aug 04 03:59:12 <tmzt> ipkg -o /var install openssh-client
Aug 04 03:59:21 <tmzt> and Terminal from preware
Aug 04 04:00:37 <tlz> tmzt, any idea how i can fix this sftp thing
Aug 04 04:00:41 <d03boy> ipkg cant find that package
Aug 04 04:01:51 <tmzt> is ther something in wiki, next steps or whatever?
Aug 04 04:02:08 <tlz> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setup_SFTP
Aug 04 04:02:11 <tlz> i followed those steps exactly
Aug 04 04:02:25 <tlz> even tried to reinstall sftp, and it says already installed
Aug 04 04:04:31 <epv> do you have a file /opt/libexec/sftp-server ?
Aug 04 04:04:35 <tlz> yes
Aug 04 04:04:42 <epv> then your client is doing something wrong
Aug 04 04:05:12 <tlz> hmmm
Aug 04 04:06:11 <epv> maybe it has prefs for setting the path of the sftp-server binary on the client
Aug 04 04:06:22 <epv> i don't have anything running windows so i can't check
Aug 04 04:06:48 <tlz> bummer
Aug 04 04:08:00 <destinal> tlz: you could always just try adding /opt/libexec to your bath or making a symlink to the binary from somewhere that IS in the path alreadfy
Aug 04 04:08:07 <destinal> /dfy/dy/
Aug 04 04:08:32 <tlz> no idea what the heck im doing, might need to do a little more research to do that
Aug 04 04:08:35 <destinal> to your PATH :)
Aug 04 04:08:43 * destinal can't type tonight
Aug 04 04:08:46 <d03boy> mkdir -p /var/etc/ipkg/
Aug 04 04:08:52 <epv> ssh into your pre, type "echo $PATH"
Aug 04 04:09:05 <d03boy> ln: /usr/lib/BrowserPlugins/termplugin.so: Read-only file system
Aug 04 04:09:12 <d03boy> how can I fix that?
Aug 04 04:09:41 <tlz> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin::/opt/bin:/opt/sbin
Aug 04 04:10:05 <destinal> d03boy: mount -o remount,rw /
Aug 04 04:10:13 <epv> and what error does winscp give you when you try to connect to your pre?
Aug 04 04:10:29 <destinal> then try again
Aug 04 04:10:57 <tlz> Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server?
Aug 04 04:11:10 <epv> nothing else? no path name or anything?
Aug 04 04:11:19 <xcomp> so I've been trying to investigate the reason for my worse-than-usual battery life
Aug 04 04:11:23 <tlz> nope
Aug 04 04:11:31 <xcomp> and I just saw something really weird
Aug 04 04:11:48 <Eguy> did you ipk-opt remove sftp yet?
Aug 04 04:11:56 <destinal> tlz: so scp wasn't sufficient for what you were trying to do?
Aug 04 04:12:06 <tlz> dest: no it was perfect
Aug 04 04:12:10 <destinal> winscp can do scp
Aug 04 04:12:10 <tlz> but one day it just stopped working
Aug 04 04:12:14 <tlz> after an update or something
Aug 04 04:12:14 <xcomp> when the screen is on (plugged in), java cpu utilization is at 1.0% or so. When I turn the screen off, it goes to around 2.5-3% with occasional jumps as high as 35%
Aug 04 04:12:16 <destinal> :)
Aug 04 04:12:19 <xcomp> wtf
Aug 04 04:12:23 <destinal> you just have to make sure it's set for scp not sftp
Aug 04 04:12:30 <tlz> i checked that ;(
Aug 04 04:12:41 <Eguy> after 1.1 it broked
Aug 04 04:13:15 <epv> tlz: i thought you pasted something a path not found
Aug 04 04:13:41 <tlz> that was earlier, when i typed ssh -o Port=222
Aug 04 04:13:50 <epv> oh
Aug 04 04:13:57 <epv> i misunderstood
Aug 04 04:14:00 <Eguy> Is something wrong with your firewallz
Aug 04 04:14:10 <tlz> i can ssh into it just fine
Aug 04 04:14:14 <epv> yeah have you made sure it's trying to connect on port 222 and not 22 ?
Aug 04 04:14:21 <tlz> yeah
Aug 04 04:14:23 <epv> i think we maybe already covered that but i'm not sure
Aug 04 04:14:48 <tlz> i think im going to uninstall sftp-server
Aug 04 04:14:51 <Eguy> just erase and start over imo
Aug 04 04:14:51 <tlz> and reinstall it
Aug 04 04:15:05 <Eguy> good plan
Aug 04 04:15:19 <epv> i'm unconvinced there's anything wrong with your installation since /opt/libexec/sftp-server is prsent
Aug 04 04:15:49 <tlz> its eguy's fault
Aug 04 04:16:26 <Eguy> yup
Aug 04 04:16:42 <Eguy> epv: well convince yourself :P
Aug 04 04:16:52 <epv> ?
Aug 04 04:17:21 <Eguy> never mind ;)
Aug 04 04:17:32 <christefano1> has anyone tried to get bookmarklets to work in the web browser? I get an error: Cannot find an application which can open this file.
Aug 04 04:17:35 <epv> is it fixed?
Aug 04 04:18:01 <Eguy> I fixed it with the magical charm line
Aug 04 04:20:04 <tlz> i didn't fix it yet
Aug 04 04:20:07 <tlz> uninstalled
Aug 04 04:20:10 <tlz> reinstalled, and rebooting
Aug 04 04:20:14 <christefano1> hmm, I guess not. I asked this earlier and didn't hear from anyone.
Aug 04 04:23:04 <tlz> hmm
Aug 04 04:23:06 <tlz> still not working
Aug 04 04:23:15 <Eguy> ouch
Aug 04 04:23:19 <Eguy> return the pre
Aug 04 04:23:29 * tlz slaps Eguy around a bit with a large trout
Aug 04 04:23:31 <Eguy> tell the guy in the Sprint store sftp isn't working
Aug 04 04:23:36 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 04:23:40 <Eguy> sft whatttt???
Aug 04 04:23:49 <Eguy> you mean speaker volume?
Aug 04 04:24:08 <tlz> any ideas?
Aug 04 04:24:24 <Eguy> is there something wrong with your users file?
Aug 04 04:24:35 <Eguy> what username are you trying to login as
Aug 04 04:26:07 <tlz> the one i created when i first gained access
Aug 04 04:26:19 <tlz> Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server?
Aug 04 04:26:22 <Eguy> and it works in other places?
Aug 04 04:26:29 <tlz> thats the error WinSCP gives me
Aug 04 04:26:32 <abyssul> Hey guys, im having a issue. When I'm setting up SSH, when it tells me to type in a new password, I can't type any letters in but it's still connected.
Aug 04 04:26:33 <tlz> yeah, i can ssh into it just fine
Aug 04 04:26:38 <Eguy> try pscp
Aug 04 04:26:57 <Rubin> abyssul, its normal at password prompts not to see what you type.
Aug 04 04:27:18 <Eguy> Security feature of linux
Aug 04 04:27:21 <abyssul> so nothing happens? just blank nothingness? lol
Aug 04 04:27:25 <abyssul> hmmm ok
Aug 04 04:27:27 <Eguy> yep
Aug 04 04:27:33 <Eguy> abyss :P
Aug 04 04:27:33 <abyssul> thanks :)
Aug 04 04:27:33 <Rubin> abyssul, backspace a whole lot, then type the password and hit enter. its there ;)
Aug 04 04:27:44 <abyssul> Linux is just full of surpirses
Aug 04 04:27:59 <Rubin> that one has hit newbies for decades.
Aug 04 04:29:27 <abyssul> Man I love moding my pre lol
Aug 04 04:30:16 <Eguy> yes, webOS is pretty cool
Aug 04 04:30:16 <tlz> getting pissed at this damn sftp thing
Aug 04 04:30:18 <tlz> gunna kill it.
Aug 04 04:30:23 <Eguy> DO IT
Aug 04 04:30:29 <Eguy> DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!
Aug 04 04:31:15 <tlz> i just threw my phone
Aug 04 04:31:17 <tlz> i threw it
Aug 04 04:31:24 <Eguy> Did the screen crack?
Aug 04 04:31:25 <Eguy> LOL
Aug 04 04:31:30 <tlz> i dont know, im not going to look
Aug 04 04:31:32 <tlz> im mad
Aug 04 04:31:47 <destinal> tlz: pre abuser
Aug 04 04:31:52 <destinal> :P
Aug 04 04:31:58 <Eguy> somone on amazon already gave it a bad review because his screen "cracked without doing anything"
Aug 04 04:31:59 <epv> :(
Aug 04 04:32:00 <tlz> he's in timeout right now
Aug 04 04:32:01 <Eguy> yeah right
Aug 04 04:32:15 <tlz> this sftp thing is makin me mad!
Aug 04 04:32:16 <tlz> lo
Aug 04 04:32:18 <tlz> ll
Aug 04 04:32:39 <psykoz> you're throwing your phone over sftp issues?
Aug 04 04:32:48 <tlz> i didnt REALLY throw my phone
Aug 04 04:33:00 <Eguy> http://www.amazon.com/review/R1YYHB97R4UP46/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B002JIO4JY&nodeID=
Aug 04 04:33:02 <psykoz> maybe there's a short between your chair and phone ;)
Aug 04 04:33:05 <Eguy> LMAO!!!!!!
Aug 04 04:33:07 <Abyssul> Is there potential harm for leaving Developer Mode on? Is there anything to install to keep it on always yet be safe?
Aug 04 04:33:20 <tlz> psykoz, i think ur right
Aug 04 04:33:31 <tlz> i know what will fix it...
Aug 04 04:33:36 <psykoz> BE PRE-PARED!
Aug 04 04:33:37 <Eguy> Abyssul: yes, it leaves it open to me so I can steal your information
Aug 04 04:33:43 <Eguy> ZING psykoz
Aug 04 04:33:53 <Abyssul> Im sure Eguy... lol Im not that stupid
Aug 04 04:34:00 <Eguy> Naw not really
Aug 04 04:34:10 <christefano1> Eguy: my Pre has a cracked screen, but I put an invisible shield (the 3M ScotchCal stuff) and I don't notice it anymore
Aug 04 04:34:10 <Eguy> a lot of people leave dev mode on
Aug 04 04:34:19 <tlz> eguy, if you fix my sftp, ill get you a....
Aug 04 04:34:30 <Eguy> I have an IS as well but no cracked screen
Aug 04 04:34:45 <Eguy> tlz: I truley hope it did not start with a b
Aug 04 04:35:00 <tlz> what if it did
Aug 04 04:35:13 * Eguy hides
Aug 04 04:35:18 <tlz> it starts with a B
Aug 04 04:35:21 <tlz> but its not what ur thinkin
Aug 04 04:35:34 <Eguy> bowcaster?
Aug 04 04:35:42 <Eguy> bowling ball?
Aug 04 04:35:49 <tlz> nope
Aug 04 04:35:56 <tlz> first two letters are correct
Aug 04 04:36:02 <Abyssul> banana?
Aug 04 04:36:07 <Eguy> booth!
Aug 04 04:36:16 <Eguy> banana is ba not bo :P
Aug 04 04:36:27 <tlz> its a BOnana
Aug 04 04:36:30 <Eguy> this is off topic
Aug 04 04:36:40 <tlz> erm, yes, back to sftp
Aug 04 04:36:45 <psykoz> coworker of mine cracked his screen, wouldn't work anymore
Aug 04 04:36:57 <Eguy> How do people crack their screens??
Aug 04 04:37:04 <psykoz> he was drunk at the bar
Aug 04 04:37:06 <psykoz> and dropped his phone
Aug 04 04:37:23 <Eguy> oh well
Aug 04 04:37:30 <Eguy> yeah, that will do it :P
Aug 04 04:38:08 <tlz> think if i drop mine, sftp will work again
Aug 04 04:39:09 * Eguy agrees
Aug 04 04:40:37 <epv> that seems like a poor idea
Aug 04 04:40:49 <tlz> epv, lets put our heads together
Aug 04 04:40:52 <tlz> and fix this sftp thing
Aug 04 04:40:52 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 04:40:55 <Eguy> lol
Aug 04 04:41:02 <Eguy> poor idea?
Aug 04 04:41:10 <Abyssul> Is there a way to connect to your Pre wirelessly via Wifi or Evdo to make root modifications (aka without USB)
Aug 04 04:41:17 <Eguy> yes
Aug 04 04:41:21 <Eguy> but there is also Terminal
Aug 04 04:41:24 <Eguy> which owns all
Aug 04 04:41:30 <tlz> i <3 my terminal
Aug 04 04:41:37 <Eguy> no need for dev mode ever
Aug 04 04:41:38 <tlz> but right now, my terminal </3 sftp
Aug 04 04:41:44 <Eguy> hahaha
Aug 04 04:41:49 <Eguy> stfp is for loosers
Aug 04 04:41:54 <ark3qqq> Is there a version of terminal with more than two (bitmap) fonts?
Aug 04 04:41:57 <Eguy> wget ftw
Aug 04 04:42:22 <epv> ark: no, it's still kinda being written
Aug 04 04:42:48 <epv> it wouldn't be hard to add more fonts but it's still in need of work to do it
Aug 04 04:42:57 <epv> i think tris is going to convert the 5x7 X font
Aug 04 04:43:51 <ark3qqq> Ideally Terminal would offer the nice anti-aliased fonts that the rest of WebOS has. I ran AjaxTerm or something similar and was impressed by how pretty stuff could eventually look.
Aug 04 04:45:29 <tris> epv: dreadchicken might beat me to that
Aug 04 04:46:32 <epv> oh good
Aug 04 04:46:57 <tris> he's trying to find a way to avoid doing it by hand though :)
Aug 04 04:47:47 <tris> i have ~5 lines of example code from FONT::FT2 which should do the trick but it doesn't
Aug 04 04:48:45 <ark3qqq> What are we converting to? I could hand-draw a 5x7 font in a couple of hours.
Aug 04 04:49:04 <epv> i think converting X fonts into C strings
Aug 04 04:49:38 <tris> the next major evolution i'd like to see in terminal emulation is variable-width fonts, but i don't really see how that will ever happen
Aug 04 04:49:54 <tris> ark3qqq: yeah, 2 hours is about how long it took to do 4x6
Aug 04 04:50:01 <tris> all you need is fontforge (or any pcf viewer) and vi
Aug 04 04:50:13 <epv> what good is a variable width font for a terminal anywaY?
Aug 04 04:50:26 <tris> epv: you can pack more text in
Aug 04 04:50:34 <epv> but columns don't line up
Aug 04 04:51:29 <tris> yeah i know.  it would require everyone to rethink what terminal emulation means altogether
Aug 04 04:51:36 <epv> haha tris.
Aug 04 04:51:56 <ark3qqq> Can somebody link me to the 4x6 C strings? I'll whip up 5x7 if you guys want.
Aug 04 04:52:25 <tris> i'm just disappointed that e.g. native irc apps are able to fit more text in a smaller space than you can get with irssi in a terminal
Aug 04 04:52:52 <tris> ark3qqq: nice! first, git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications.git
Aug 04 04:53:04 <ark3qqq> tris: I'm with you. People will have to suffer through tabs, but it can all work out in the end.
Aug 04 04:53:29 <destinal> tris: lmao
Aug 04 04:53:44 <tris> 4x6 is in termplugin/font-4x6.xpm and 8x8 is font.xpm
Aug 04 04:54:29 <tris> monochrome, 8 chars to a line, adjust the header appropriately... that's about it
Aug 04 04:55:22 <ark3qqq> tris: Okay, give me a few moments to get git installed, then I'll ask you for git help, and then I'll get cracking.
Aug 04 04:56:07 <Abyssul> I seem to be doing something wrong. I get a Network error: Connection refused window when I try and connect through SSH with Putty (via wifi).
Aug 04 04:57:06 <ark3qqq> Abyssul: Port 222?
Aug 04 04:57:13 <Abyssul> yes
Aug 04 04:57:44 <Eguy> sounds like tlz's problem
Aug 04 04:59:28 <Abyssul> Weird, my Pre and Computer have the same local IP address. Is that right? lol
Aug 04 05:00:35 <ark3qqq> Abyssul: Not likely... How are you figuring this out?
Aug 04 05:00:44 <Abyssul> checkmyip.com
Aug 04 05:00:52 <Abyssul> Pulled it up on my pre, and the on my computer
Aug 04 05:01:01 <Abyssul> same exact thing
Aug 04 05:01:12 <ark3qqq> You need to figure out your internal IP address (on your wifi). An external site won't tell you that.
Aug 04 05:01:31 <destinal> Abyssul: ever used a NAT router before?
Aug 04 05:01:54 <Abyssul> Heard of them
Aug 04 05:02:00 <egaudet> anyway to start my service without rebooting?
Aug 04 05:02:28 <destinal> you get one public address and multiple private ones, the private ones internally all get translated to the external IP address when delivered outbound
Aug 04 05:02:41 <ark3qqq> tris: Okay, found the 4x6. This shouldn't be too difficult.
Aug 04 05:03:01 <epv> heh yay, then you get to pick which fonts you want :)
Aug 04 05:03:31 <Abyssul> Yep, my router is Nat
Aug 04 05:03:55 <destinal> so everything using the NAT router will use the same source IP, no matter how many computers on your LAN
Aug 04 05:04:10 <destinal> this is from the perspective of something on the external network only
Aug 04 05:04:50 <Abyssul> I see
Aug 04 05:04:55 <tlz> destinal
Aug 04 05:05:01 <Eguy> http://www.precentral.net/palm-pre-ads-inspires-better-or-worse oh my god I love it
Aug 04 05:05:02 <Abyssul> So I must use my internal IP address for Putty?
Aug 04 05:05:13 <tlz> we fixed my sftp issue
Aug 04 05:05:20 <tlz> sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server
Aug 04 05:05:27 <Eguy> really
Aug 04 05:05:31 <tlz> i took that out of the sftp enviroment option in winscp
Aug 04 05:05:32 <destinal> oh, you weren't logging in as root?
Aug 04 05:05:36 <tlz> and now it connects just fine
Aug 04 05:05:38 <ark3qqq> Abyssul: That is correct.
Aug 04 05:05:50 <destinal> well you could have used just /opt/libexec/sftp-server too
Aug 04 05:05:51 <tlz> i was just following the steps on the wiki, and it says to add that
Aug 04 05:05:59 <destinal> but then it wouldn't be getting root privs
Aug 04 05:06:07 <Eguy> lol
Aug 04 05:06:14 <Eguy> edit the wiki
Aug 04 05:06:21 <destinal> with the sudo on the beginning you read and write everything with root privileges
Aug 04 05:06:32 <tlz> time to test it ;)
Aug 04 05:06:34 <Eguy> holy crap, my client has a 20.5GB hard drive
Aug 04 05:06:45 <Abyssul> Cool, got it to work, but now I need to keep a way to keep my Pre from turning off
Aug 04 05:06:57 <Eguy> Abyssul: that is on the wiki
Aug 04 05:07:03 <tlz> Abyssul, plug it in ;)
Aug 04 05:07:07 <Abyssul> k ill check it out
Aug 04 05:07:24 <destinal> tlz: so you didn't destroy your pre with acceleration into a blunt object?
Aug 04 05:07:27 <tlz> i keep my pre plugged in when im doing ssh to it, and it keeps the wifi connection alive
Aug 04 05:07:37 <Abyssul> what command is it to change user passwords and account?
Aug 04 05:07:45 <tlz> destinal, no! lol
Aug 04 05:07:49 <tlz> passwd user
Aug 04 05:08:08 <Eguy> sudo throw-pre
Aug 04 05:08:20 <tlz> sudo pwn-pre
Aug 04 05:08:57 <Eguy> man I love those Pre commercial spoofs
Aug 04 05:09:10 <tris> eguy: url?
Aug 04 05:09:16 <tris> oh, i see it
Aug 04 05:09:17 <Eguy> anybody who is not in the US: you guys are lucky
Aug 04 05:09:28 <Eguy> you have not been scared for life
Aug 04 05:10:22 <destinal> ack, the spoof is just as creepy
Aug 04 05:10:33 <Eguy> yeah...
Aug 04 05:10:46 <tlz> damnit
Aug 04 05:10:50 <Eguy> what the hell was that guy thinking when he brought that idea to Palm
Aug 04 05:10:55 <tlz> so if i dont do sudo /opt/libexec/sftp-server
Aug 04 05:10:59 <tlz> it wont let me delete/add anything
Aug 04 05:11:09 <Eguy> Yes
Aug 04 05:11:36 <Eguy> Google CEO Eric Schmidt has resigned from Apple's board today citing a conflict of interest. YES!!!
Aug 04 05:11:41 <epv> heh
Aug 04 05:11:47 <Eguy> Apple is getting owned one day at a time
Aug 04 05:12:00 <tlz> damnit what can i do to fix this now lol
Aug 04 05:12:13 <Eguy> ipkg-opt remove stfp
Aug 04 05:12:20 * tlz slaps Eguy around a bit with a large trout
Aug 04 05:12:31 <Eguy> Hey, it will fix it
Aug 04 05:12:33 <Eguy> ;)
Aug 04 05:12:34 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 05:12:38 <oc80z> sup sup
Aug 04 05:12:45 <tlz> destinal, any ideas?
Aug 04 05:13:05 <Abyssul> How do you change a users passwords for SSH?
Aug 04 05:13:13 <destinal> acghwer watched juggler in the park one again, will have nightmares
Aug 04 05:13:18 <tlz> Abyssul, passwd USER
Aug 04 05:13:50 <Abyssul> where do I type it in lol?
Aug 04 05:13:59 <Eguy> putty or terminal
Aug 04 05:14:05 <Abyssul> i did
Aug 04 05:14:25 <tlz> then it will ask you to enter a new password
Aug 04 05:14:49 <Abyssul> oh ok
Aug 04 05:14:50 <Abyssul> thanks
Aug 04 05:14:53 <tlz> np
Aug 04 05:17:42 <scsinutz> I've setup an alarm clock using cron... The cron job won't run when the phone is sleep. Anyway to wake it up?
Aug 04 05:19:50 <destinal> scsinutz: doesn't the phone already have an alarm clock?
Aug 04 05:20:39 <scsinutz> yea, I want to wake up to music so the cron job calls luna-send to the streamingmusicplayer
Aug 04 05:22:31 <destinal> scsinutz: why not try taskScheduler?
Aug 04 05:23:00 <tlz> stfp != my friend
Aug 04 05:23:26 <scsinutz> +destinal: Where can I find that?
Aug 04 05:24:08 <destinal> or rather maybe it's com.palm.power
Aug 04 05:24:17 <destinal> http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=1584
Aug 04 05:25:05 <scsinutz> This points me to a possible solution. Thank you.
Aug 04 05:26:12 <destinal> at very least you could schedule a wakeup several seconds before your cron job goes off -- though probably it would be better to just schedule the call to music player
Aug 04 05:27:47 <ark3qqq> tris: Out of laziness, I converted Lucida Console 6 and got a 6x8 font.
Aug 04 05:28:15 <ark3qqq> tris: I mean 5x8.
Aug 04 05:28:19 <tris> hehe
Aug 04 05:28:24 <ark3qqq> tris: Interested? Or should I focus on 5x7?
Aug 04 05:28:50 <destinal> ark3qqq: don't convert non-free fonts if you want to be able to include them in the app
Aug 04 05:29:04 <tris> oh yeah, that could be an issue.  not sure what the license is
Aug 04 05:29:12 <destinal> Lucidia is a paid license
Aug 04 05:29:27 <ark3qqq> tris: Ah, good point. I'm off to dig up Vera Mono.
Aug 04 05:29:37 <ark3qqq> destinal: Good point to you, I mean.
Aug 04 05:29:38 <destinal> ark3qqq: there are ttf fonts already on the device btw
Aug 04 05:29:39 <tris> i think 5x7.pcf actually looks better than 5x8.pcf for most things (they're actually fairly interesting to compare side-by-side)
Aug 04 05:29:49 <psykoz> hrmm
Aug 04 05:30:10 <destinal> some may have an open license
Aug 04 05:30:32 <psykoz> term @.1.6 fixed a lot of issues i would get with irssi/screen, nice :)
Aug 04 05:30:43 <destinal> I plan to just use something like libfreetype to run whatever font on the fly.
Aug 04 05:30:46 <psykoz> 0*
Aug 04 05:30:52 <tris> i think they're pretty hard to improve upon too, though i've heard many people claim otherwise.  i talk a bit about that in http://tris.net/osx/terminal.html
Aug 04 05:32:07 <ark3qqq> Hmm. So your suggestion is to convert the 5x7 pcf, then?
Aug 04 05:32:18 <ark3qqq> I'll have to figure out how to display that first...
Aug 04 05:32:33 <tris> fontforge will do it
Aug 04 05:32:55 <destinal> what about Terminus
Aug 04 05:32:56 <ark3qqq> I don't have fontforge. I'm using the screen capture approach to conversion...
Aug 04 05:32:56 <destinal> http://fractal.csie.org/~eric/wiki/Terminus_font
Aug 04 05:33:04 <tris> anyway, more fonts are always better, so convert what you like
Aug 04 05:33:18 <ark3qqq> I'll toss Lucida Console due to licensing issues.
Aug 04 05:34:05 <tris> fontforge is free.  not much of an excuse ;)
Aug 04 05:34:41 <destinal> Terminus font is GPLv2, and some people seem to like it
Aug 04 05:35:54 <tris> smallest Terminus size is 6x12
Aug 04 05:35:59 <ark3qqq> destinal: I can't get Terminus to display well at small-enough sizes with anti-aliasing off (Vista). The bitmap-only version doesn't open at all in Vista. Sorry I don't have a Linux VM handy at the moment.
Aug 04 05:36:36 <Technobabble> i had to get a new phone today, how do i get it to force the update to 1.1.0?  it's 1.0.3
Aug 04 05:36:49 <psykoz> go to updates
Aug 04 05:37:15 <Technobabble> oh, i didn't even notice this one
Aug 04 05:37:18 <tris> "proggy tiny" from proggyfonts.com isn't too bad
Aug 04 05:37:21 <epv> i am not sure that terminus is a pretty font. heh
Aug 04 05:39:33 <synthmole> installed emacs. getting misty eyed here. sure brings memories
Aug 04 05:41:19 <epv> haha hey check it out, the ghostscript package "gs" in ubuntu includes "font2c"
Aug 04 05:42:22 <destinal> ugh, proggy won't write up a license, says they are distributed without a license means that there are no licensing conditions (IMO it actually means you can't copy it)  -- but it does say that the fonts are a gift, so it sounds like a public-domain-equivalent license
Aug 04 05:43:12 <Abyssul> What does it mean for Applying Patches when Putty says "The topmost patches needs refreshed first" when I try and enter "quilt push"
Aug 04 05:43:19 <ark3qqq> Huh? The Proggy zip file has a license.
Aug 04 05:43:43 <destinal> ok, I couldn't find anything on the site except this forum post: http://www.proggyfonts.com/fontforums/viewtopic.php?t=22
Aug 04 05:43:46 <destinal> I'll try the zip
Aug 04 05:43:59 <ark3qqq> The license requires the copyright notice be included. "Advertising clause" right?
Aug 04 05:44:16 <destinal> yup, BSD style
Aug 04 05:44:36 <destinal> I guess he/they were advised they actually needed to put it in writing for people to use it
Aug 04 05:44:38 <ark3qqq> Anyway, proggy is 6x10. It's pretty though. I'll convert now.
Aug 04 05:45:32 <synthmole> Abyssul: do a pull first to update before you push, you may have conflicts
Aug 04 05:45:50 <Abyssul> I already did, but I try again since you said that
Aug 04 05:46:10 <Abyssul> It's from a patch that I had implemented before to test
Aug 04 05:46:19 <Abyssul> rebooted, and now Im trying to install another
Aug 04 05:47:07 <ark3qqq> Okay, so what do I do with ProggyTiny.xpm?
Aug 04 05:47:09 <Abyssul> nope, still not working
Aug 04 05:48:18 <tris> you converted it already, ark3qqq?
Aug 04 05:48:38 <ark3qqq> tris: Yes, netpbm rules.
Aug 04 05:48:46 <tris> wow
Aug 04 05:49:15 <tris> what sequence of tools did you use?
Aug 04 05:49:49 <ark3qqq> Windows notepad to get the font on the screen, then snipping tool to take the screenshot, then Windows Paint to crop the image, then netpbm to convert png -> ppm -> xpm.
Aug 04 05:50:05 <ark3qqq> I can do it in a couple of minutes for any font Vista will handle.
Aug 04 05:50:23 <tris> destinal is one who should be able to push it to git for you (though if you feel like doing some of the legwork of UI etc. changes to support it, i'm sure that'd be appreciated)
Aug 04 05:50:29 <synthmole> Abyssul: tried quilt refresh?
Aug 04 05:50:52 <ark3qqq> Mind you, Vista's renderer is lousy without anti-aliasing... Hence the bitmapped fonts being better.
Aug 04 05:50:59 <tris> er, test it first, though :)
Aug 04 05:51:13 <ark3qqq> Test how?
Aug 04 05:51:27 <Abyssul> It says "Nothing in patch "/opt/src/patches/enable-dev-mode-icon.patch""
Aug 04 05:52:32 <tris> well, easiest would be to replace font.xpm... actually, you'll need a working cross-compiler in order to rebuild termplugin.so to actually do it
Aug 04 05:52:58 <ark3qqq> How do I "cvs log" in git? I'm curious who came up with fontinfo.{ch}pp.
Aug 04 05:53:19 <ark3qqq> Ooh, ask a silly question...
Aug 04 05:53:20 <tris> probably "git log"
Aug 04 05:53:45 <CIA-29> bzhou * r10530 optware/trunk/make/httping.mk - httping: 1.3.0 -> 1.3.1
Aug 04 05:55:09 <ark3qqq> I see what's going on. I could easily add more special cases for a couple more fonts, or I could try to generalize stuff. My leaning is for the former. Is Zuchmir2 around? He seems to own this code.
Aug 04 05:55:25 <tlz> Abyssul
Aug 04 05:55:37 <Abyssul> ?
Aug 04 05:55:38 <tlz> make sure you're in "/" when trying to apply a patch
Aug 04 05:55:42 <Abyssul> i am
Aug 04 05:56:34 <tlz> quilt import opt/src/modifications/luna/enable-dev-mode-icon.patch
Aug 04 05:56:37 <tlz> erm
Aug 04 05:56:42 <tlz> quilt import /opt/src/modifications/luna/enable-dev-mode-icon.patch
Aug 04 05:56:46 <tlz> forgot that first / ;)
Aug 04 05:57:51 <Abyssul> that worked
Aug 04 05:58:12 <tlz> then type quilt series
Aug 04 05:58:14 <tlz> make sure it took
Aug 04 05:58:18 <tlz> and do quilt push -a
Aug 04 05:58:18 <Abyssul> hmm
Aug 04 05:58:39 <Abyssul> nope :(
Aug 04 05:58:43 <tlz> what it say
Aug 04 05:58:46 <Abyssul> same thing
Aug 04 05:59:24 <Abyssul> When I type quilt series, it will show the two patches
Aug 04 06:00:07 <tlz> ok
Aug 04 06:00:14 <tlz> then what error did you get when you did quilt push
Aug 04 06:01:02 <Abyssul> the "topmost patch needs refreshed first"
Aug 04 06:01:20 <tlz> you're in "/" ?
Aug 04 06:02:01 <Abyssul> yes
Aug 04 06:02:06 <tlz> hmm
Aug 04 06:02:09 <tlz> not sure man
Aug 04 06:02:15 <tlz> that patch isn't working for me
Aug 04 06:02:22 <tlz> i tried to run it, and it says hunk 1 of 1 failed
Aug 04 06:04:13 <Abyssul> I forced it lol
Aug 04 06:04:23 <Abyssul> Probably not a good idea
Aug 04 06:04:34 <tlz> did it work?
Aug 04 06:04:40 <Abyssul> It said it applied it
Aug 04 06:04:49 <Abyssul> but it didn't work on my phone. I cant find the icon
Aug 04 06:04:50 <tlz> so rescan
Aug 04 06:04:56 <tlz> try rescaning
Aug 04 06:04:59 <Abyssul> I rebooted
Aug 04 06:05:13 <tlz> luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {}
Aug 04 06:07:06 <Abyssul> hmm
Aug 04 06:07:12 <tlz> did it work
Aug 04 06:07:17 <Abyssul> No
Aug 04 06:07:21 <tlz> bummer
Aug 04 06:07:24 <Abyssul> but I got to delete the patch
Aug 04 06:07:38 <tlz> i havent even checked... but is this patch applicable to 1.1?
Aug 04 06:07:52 <Abyssul> I just picked one from the series
Aug 04 06:08:02 <Abyssul> but I deleted the patch and now I can quilt push the new patch
Aug 04 06:08:08 <Abyssul> :)
Aug 04 06:08:34 <Abyssul> I wish there was a patch for the camera modifications
Aug 04 06:09:34 <tlz> so did ur devmode icon show up tho
Aug 04 06:09:50 <Abyssul> no
Aug 04 06:10:23 <Abyssul> seems like the patch is unoperative with 1.1
Aug 04 06:11:01 <tlz> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Unhide_the_DeveloperMode_App
Aug 04 06:11:07 <tlz> try that lol
Aug 04 06:11:41 <ark3qqq> Buh. I have an X server. xterm -fn 5x7 solved my font problem.
Aug 04 06:12:14 <Abyssul> i just did
Aug 04 06:12:23 <Abyssul> I was just trying out the Apply patch process
Aug 04 06:12:33 <Abyssul> since I just got around to implementing it
Aug 04 06:12:42 <Abyssul> and decided to choose a random patch
Aug 04 06:12:50 <tlz> lol
Aug 04 06:14:42 <Abyssul> I can't wait til the iTunes remote app can control the Zune software
Aug 04 06:15:05 <Abyssul> So most potential for this device, so little time :p
Aug 04 06:15:22 <ark3qqq> tris / destinal: I have my 5x7 and 6x10 xpm files ready. I can proceed to hack fontinfo.cpp/fontinfo.hpp to support them, but I don't know how to check stuff in. I also don't know where the UI stuff needs to go (though I can probably figure that out).
Aug 04 06:15:59 <ark3qqq> Also, can I set up a cross compiler environment on Windows? Or should I spin up a new Ubuntu VM, which I've been meaning to do for a while anyway...?
Aug 04 06:16:15 <epv> you can build on the phone! :)
Aug 04 06:16:28 <epv> i think some people actually are doing that
Aug 04 06:16:33 <destinal> I am :)
Aug 04 06:16:38 <destinal> nice and portable
Aug 04 06:16:46 <ark3qqq> epv: That's true... I suppose there must be compiler packages on ipkg-opt.
Aug 04 06:17:05 <epv> hee hee
Aug 04 06:17:13 <destinal> ark3qqq: I personally used a debian chroot environment to make it simple
Aug 04 06:17:18 <ark3qqq> Then I _really_ need to get working wi-fi, as interactive over EVDO gets annoying pretty quickly...
Aug 04 06:17:35 <destinal> ark3qqq: I like usbnet
Aug 04 06:17:35 <epv> how about usb?
Aug 04 06:17:40 <ark3qqq> destinal: How does one set that up?
Aug 04 06:18:00 <ark3qqq> How does usbnet work? and How does one do the chroot stuff?
Aug 04 06:18:02 <destinal> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup
Aug 04 06:18:12 <ark3qqq> "faq you!" :)
Aug 04 06:18:35 <ark3qqq> Heh, that's rather easy.
Aug 04 06:18:36 <epv> usbnet is cool, i like that it works simultaneously with novacom
Aug 04 06:19:16 <ark3qqq> Ooh, there are actual Vista 64 instructions.
Aug 04 06:19:39 <destinal> yeah for me it was;  usbnet enable; reboot   (on pc once it's rebooted:  ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.2)
Aug 04 06:19:52 <destinal> for xp you need some drivers, etc..
Aug 04 06:20:44 <ark3qqq> Wait, so I can use USBnet to tether as well?
Aug 04 06:20:50 <epv> sure
Aug 04 06:21:11 <destinal> usbnet works the same as ethernet once it's up
Aug 04 06:21:19 <ark3qqq> This stuff is too easy... This is exactly why I switched away from Android.
Aug 04 06:21:26 <epv> indeed :)
Aug 04 06:21:28 <destinal> ark3qqq: I did too, same reason
Aug 04 06:21:35 <epv> same here
Aug 04 06:21:54 <ark3qqq> You guys were running Android on what? Sprint Touch (HTC Vogue) for me.
Aug 04 06:22:10 <destinal> ark3qqq: I actually own an Android Developer Phone 1
Aug 04 06:22:11 <epv> i had a g1 for a couple of months
Aug 04 06:22:21 <epv> i had a dev g1 too
Aug 04 06:22:28 <epv> i craigslisted it tho
Aug 04 06:22:58 <ark3qqq> Ah, supported phones.
Aug 04 06:23:19 <ark3qqq> Running Android on an unsupported phone was particularly... umm... fun?
Aug 04 06:23:22 <epv> unfortunately for about half what i paid for it, thanks to google giving one out for free to to EVERY SINGLE GOOGLE EMPLOYEE who all thereupon sold them, making them practically worthless
Aug 04 06:23:24 <destinal> It's so funny that palm ends up making such a hacker friendly phone without that even being a goal, I've referred tons of friends (hackers and not) to buy some
Aug 04 06:23:31 <tlz> destinal
Aug 04 06:23:38 <tlz> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Camera_Shutter_Sound_On-Off_Button
Aug 04 06:23:49 <tlz> can i put that code in a .patch file
Aug 04 06:23:57 <tlz> and just install it through quilt?
Aug 04 06:24:06 <tlz> or do i have to manually go in and change each of those files
Aug 04 06:24:09 <destinal> tlz: that is a patch file
Aug 04 06:24:37 <tlz> so i can just put it in a .patch file, wget it, and then install it?
Aug 04 06:25:07 <destinal> christefano: hey, did you ever get your dovecot ssl thing working on pre?
Aug 04 06:25:14 <egaudet> Can i use the callback routine with the helloService to get the version?
Aug 04 06:25:26 <epv> haha someone's running dovecot on a pre?
Aug 04 06:25:52 <destinal> epv: no, to allow a pre to connect with an SSL cert created by the owner of the server
Aug 04 06:26:08 <ark3qqq> I've heard stuff about people using rsync to keep Maildirs copied over, then using a local IMAP server for "offline" access.
Aug 04 06:26:10 <epv> ohh.
Aug 04 06:26:15 <destinal> self-signed or self-run-ca- signed was the issue
Aug 04 06:26:32 <ark3qqq> Huh? I had no trouble getting the Pre to accept a self-signed cert. Just had to hit it with the browser first.
Aug 04 06:26:35 <epv> i did that, it worked ok. pre has a cert manager that appears when you try to open an ssl cert attachment in mail
Aug 04 06:26:43 <epv> yeah ark, that too
Aug 04 06:26:57 <destinal> epv: for IMAPS?
Aug 04 06:27:01 <epv> yes
Aug 04 06:27:17 <ark3qqq> Same here, Dovecot IMAPS on an Ubuntu box.
Aug 04 06:27:23 <destinal> epv: ok, some people had issues and resorted to this: http://drewp.quickwitretort.com/2009/07/18/0
Aug 04 06:27:58 <destinal> not sure why just accepting ss-cert didn't work for those folks
Aug 04 06:28:04 <epv> also works for SMTP using either SSL or TLS on postfix
Aug 04 06:28:15 <epv> maybe they constructed the cert file wrong
Aug 04 06:28:18 <ark3qqq> ... and Apache2.
Aug 04 06:28:32 <ark3qqq> I use the same cert for all the services on my Ubuntu box.
Aug 04 06:31:52 <Abyssul> ugh, can't get STFP to work lol
Aug 04 06:31:56 <tlz> LOL
Aug 04 06:32:00 <tlz> Abyssul, i was doing that earlier
Aug 04 06:32:03 <tlz> whats the problem
Aug 04 06:32:08 <Abyssul> I always run into problems hehe
Aug 04 06:32:47 <Abyssul> well right now im trying to make sure Im doing the "visudo" step correctly
Aug 04 06:33:02 <tlz> destinal: http://pastebin.ca/1517635
Aug 04 06:33:08 <tlz> do you make anything of that?
Aug 04 06:33:26 <tlz> so you added the two lines that the wiki told you to add to that file Abyssul?
Aug 04 06:33:32 <destinal> tlz: could it be the patch isn't for your version or you are already modified?
Aug 04 06:33:50 <epv> that looks like an attempt to patch a file that isn't what the patch was built against
Aug 04 06:33:58 <tlz> not already modified
Aug 04 06:34:12 <epv> no, patch usually detects already-applied patches
Aug 04 06:34:20 <Zuchmir2> destinal: do u have any clue how the terminal automatically scrolls to the bottom?
Aug 04 06:34:30 <ark3qqq> Ooh, Zuchmir2.
Aug 04 06:34:31 <tlz> says "webos 1.1 ok" on the wiki
Aug 04 06:34:37 <epv> anyway i don't think you need to patch all that stuff to turn off the shutter sound in camera now
Aug 04 06:34:53 <ark3qqq> Zuchmir2: I intend to muck around with the Terminal font stuff (5x7 and 6x10 fonts to be added). Any guidance?
Aug 04 06:34:53 <Zuchmir2> ark3qqq: hi
Aug 04 06:35:18 <Zuchmir2> if u pastebin the fonts, will try to add them
Aug 04 06:35:23 <Abyssul> tlz, can you describe in more detail what two lines to edit?
Aug 04 06:35:29 <Abyssul> The wiki isn't specific enough
Aug 04 06:35:42 <ark3qqq> Zuchmir2: I suppose that could work too... :)
Aug 04 06:35:50 <epv> tlz: just edit /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.camera/camera-prefs-defaults.json
Aug 04 06:36:02 <tlz> edit what epv
Aug 04 06:36:08 <epv> and set SOUNDS to "disabled"
Aug 04 06:36:12 <tlz> hah
Aug 04 06:36:18 <tlz> sweet
Aug 04 06:39:34 <Abyssul> I got SFTP to work, but now my password doesnt work...
Aug 04 06:40:04 <tlz> you're running into the same issue i was
Aug 04 06:40:11 <Abyssul> hmm
Aug 04 06:40:12 <tlz> i can get into sftp, but cant delete files
Aug 04 06:40:17 <tlz> or add them for that matter
Aug 04 06:40:35 <Abyssul> im stuck at entering my password because it's denying it
Aug 04 06:41:17 <tlz> what user are you trying as
Aug 04 06:41:33 <Abyssul> my SSH one
Aug 04 06:42:15 <tlz> myusername ALL=NOPASSWD: /opt/libexec/sftp-server
Aug 04 06:42:21 <tlz> did you add that to visudo
Aug 04 06:42:21 <tlz> ?
Aug 04 06:42:31 <tlz> change myusername to the username you created?
Aug 04 06:42:36 <Abyssul> yes
Aug 04 06:45:04 <Abyssul> http://pastebin.com/d695cb81d
Aug 04 06:45:15 <Abyssul> thats how its suppose to be correct?
Aug 04 06:45:57 * destinal doesn't use sudo on his phone, just ssh with keys
Aug 04 06:46:09 <egaudet> whoami
Aug 04 06:46:30 <destinal> egaudet: you are egaudet
Aug 04 06:46:54 <destinal> :)
Aug 04 06:47:03 <egaudet> lol
Aug 04 06:47:14 <ark3qqq> Zuchmir2: So you don't want me to edit and commit, but rather would prefer me to pastebin the font xpm files?
Aug 04 06:47:16 <egaudet> I want to smash my head through my computer right now
Aug 04 06:47:28 <egaudet> Abyssul you have 2 users? Abyssul and abyssul?
Aug 04 06:47:51 <Abyssul> Accidently
Aug 04 06:47:53 <Abyssul> but harmless
Aug 04 06:48:22 <egaudet> just seeing if you are accidentally using the wrong one?
Aug 04 06:48:43 <destinal> ark3qqq: go ahead and commit -- if there's ever an issue, that's what revert is for :)
Aug 04 06:48:46 <Abyssul> Tried both, just in case :p
Aug 04 06:48:49 <tris> in case anyone missed it: preDevCamp San Francisco is happening this Saturday at 11am at Palm HQ in Sunnyvale
Aug 04 08:13:32 <egaudet> How do I build a service into the *.jar including manifest?
Aug 04 11:15:08 <jcrawford> good morning everyone
Aug 04 11:15:19 <czarphanguye> jcrawford: sup
Aug 04 11:15:40 <jcrawford> just hitting the advanced JS book for a bit before I actually begin work :D
Aug 04 11:16:20 <tmzt> advanced js?
Aug 04 11:16:28 <tmzt> what book is that?
Aug 04 11:17:08 <jcrawford> Pro Javascript Techniques
Aug 04 11:17:32 <jcrawford> isbn:1590597273
Aug 04 11:17:57 <tmzt> what does it cover?
Aug 04 11:18:07 <jcrawford> i am only in chapter 2
Aug 04 11:18:14 <jcrawford> but dives deep into OOP right there
Aug 04 11:18:56 <jcrawford> OOP, DOM, Events, JS and CSS, Improving FOorms, AJAX,
Aug 04 11:19:03 <jcrawford> some of the section titles
Aug 04 11:19:23 <tmzt> cool
Aug 04 11:20:13 <jcrawford> figured it would help me understand this OOP stuff better :D
Aug 04 12:31:05 <jcrawford> anyone here familiar with the phone app?
Aug 04 12:31:50 <blau-mikeDG> i made some big strides with quickcut yesterday :)
Aug 04 12:32:03 <jcrawford> I would like to create a patch that would detect an incomming call then check the number against a list of numbers, if the number is on the list it will auto ignore the call and not ring the phone.  Not sure if this is possible or not but I cannot find they entry point of the phone app when a call is incomming
Aug 04 12:32:20 <jcrawford> I can find things such as initiating a call by dialing but not for incomming
Aug 04 12:32:30 <jcrawford> nice blau-mikeDG :D
Aug 04 12:32:47 <blau-mikeDG> jcraw: did you check app-assistant, im guessing it registers for updates on boot?
Aug 04 12:33:27 <blau-mikeDG> probably the new telephonyeventlistener thing
Aug 04 12:33:37 <jcrawford> yea i am looking there
Aug 04 12:33:46 <jcrawford> even looked through the incomming-call-assistant
Aug 04 12:34:03 <blau-mikeDG> incoming call asst is probably jus tthe display with pickup or hangup
Aug 04 12:34:06 <blau-mikeDG> my guess
Aug 04 12:34:07 <jcrawford> this.telephonyEventListener = new TelephonyEventListener(this);
Aug 04 12:34:13 <jcrawford> that's what I was looking at
Aug 04 12:34:22 <jcrawford> the TelephonyEventListener
Aug 04 12:35:53 <jcrawford> / TODO: get initial puck status, too
Aug 04 12:35:55 <jcrawford> wtf is a puck :D
Aug 04 12:36:24 <enio> terminal app development stopped at 0.1.5?
Aug 04 12:36:45 <jcrawford> there's no docs on the telephone service stuff is there
Aug 04 12:36:47 <blau-mikeDG> subscriptoins i mean when i say register
Aug 04 12:36:58 <blau-mikeDG> i keep mixing up android/webos terminology
Aug 04 12:37:09 <blau-mikeDG> none of the telephony stuff makes sense to me though :/
Aug 04 12:38:49 <jcrawford> yea is a bit complex :D
Aug 04 12:44:33 <blau-mikeDG> do you think a bluetooth and wifi toggle for launcher or quicklaunch is worth the effort?
Aug 04 12:44:49 <blau-mikeDG> or is it already easy to switch them via th emenu/
Aug 04 12:45:37 <joesmith> its pretty easy to switch them off by the drop down desktop screen
Aug 04 12:46:01 <joesmith> I think the same amount of time would be used on the launcher
Aug 04 12:46:09 <joesmith> 3 clicks/ swipes
Aug 04 12:46:13 <blau-mikeDG> but you could do universal search for it
Aug 04 12:46:23 <blau-mikeDG> swipe and type, hrmm
Aug 04 12:46:31 <blau-mikeDG> ill try it and if its easy ill do it otherwise drop it
Aug 04 12:47:45 <joesmith> one touch for menu- select wifi- swipe to toggle
Aug 04 12:48:11 <joesmith> I wonder if you could bind on/off to a phrase
Aug 04 12:48:18 <joesmith> then type it
Aug 04 12:48:36 <blau-mikeDG> anywhere?
Aug 04 12:48:39 <blau-mikeDG> that would be neat
Aug 04 12:49:34 <joesmith> yeah universal search the term "cheese" and it auto turns on/off wifi depending on current state
Aug 04 12:49:38 <joesmith> something like that
Aug 04 12:51:44 <blau-mikeDG> yeah thats what i was trying to do
Aug 04 12:51:47 <jcrawford> that would be cool
Aug 04 12:51:50 <jcrawford> wifion/wifioff
Aug 04 12:51:55 <jcrawford> bton/btoff
Aug 04 12:56:31 <jcrawford> guys where does Mojo.Log.info log to?  I never see these entries in the /var/log/messages file, seems only Mojo.Log.error goes there
Aug 04 13:08:54 * blau-mikeDG is dopey
Aug 04 13:09:03 <blau-mikeDG> i think why my stupid shortcuts werent working was because i was testing on the emu
Aug 04 13:09:04 <blau-mikeDG> wooops
Aug 04 13:09:34 <blau-mikeDG> i dont think they try to emu the bt hardware even though all the bt menu items r there
Aug 04 13:20:14 <Kyusaku> ah netsplit
Aug 04 13:21:41 <Kyusaku> Anyone know how to turn off/hide the "System woke up" and "system going to sleep" messages from powerd in the terminal?
Aug 04 13:21:59 <bougyman> stop powerd
Aug 04 13:22:07 <bougyman> stop powerd<enter> i should say
Aug 04 13:22:17 <bougyman> then when you want it to kick back in, start powerd<enter>
Aug 04 13:22:35 <bougyman> i do that when I want to ssh to it without it sleeping on me for a time (when it's off power)
Aug 04 13:22:50 <bougyman> your battery indicator will turn into a question mark while powerd is stopped
Aug 04 13:22:55 <bougyman> no ill effects other than that.
Aug 04 13:23:24 <Kyusaku> oh ok, and it doesn't affect the CPU scaling in suspen either?
Aug 04 13:27:08 <Kyusaku> I get stop: not found
Aug 04 13:47:08 <PuffTheMagic> morning
Aug 04 13:47:17 <czarphanguye> PuffTheMagic: gm
Aug 04 13:57:39 <raeb1> it is morning
Aug 04 14:09:36 <psykoz> hrmm terminal doesn't resize for landscape anymore?
Aug 04 14:14:18 <blau-mikeDG> got bluetooth toggle working, wheee :)
Aug 04 14:18:40 <raeb1> grrr how do i add buddies in google talk on this thing
Aug 04 14:19:58 <blau-mikeDG> add a contact with a gtalk addy?
Aug 04 14:20:18 <jcrawford> heh 48000 messages in my gmail
Aug 04 14:20:21 <raeb1> i added his gtalk addy to his contact info
Aug 04 14:20:27 <raeb1> im account
Aug 04 14:20:28 <raeb1> but
Aug 04 14:20:33 <jcrawford> just trashed em all and unsubed from all the mailing lists :)
Aug 04 14:20:38 <raeb1> when i try to send him a message, ti says 'you cannot message fools not on your buddy list'
Aug 04 14:23:01 <blau-mikeDG> :(
Aug 04 14:36:38 <raeb1> wierd
Aug 04 14:43:48 <raeb1> o well i added him as a buddy thru the web interface, and they he showed up as a contact and i linked his profile and all was happy
Aug 04 14:47:34 <blau-mikeDG> universal search bluetooth toggle
Aug 04 14:47:41 <blau-mikeDG> i rule
Aug 04 14:51:55 <raeb1> yep
Aug 04 14:51:55 <raeb1> u do
Aug 04 14:55:56 <epyon22> so an app to run bash/sh scripts would you guys be interested
Aug 04 14:58:55 <blau-mikeDG> send me donations or i will burn the source code to this app!
Aug 04 15:01:36 <epyon22> haha
Aug 04 15:02:50 <FreeTim3> Universal search? Can we add other bluetooth things like external GPS ? I don't like the sensitivity of built in GPS chip
Aug 04 15:05:23 <FreeTim3> I mean Mike - what could it be used for ? - curious
Aug 04 15:14:18 <thatdude> Hey everyone
Aug 04 15:14:36 <epyon22> sup thadood
Aug 04 15:14:43 <epyon22> ah sup thatdude
Aug 04 15:15:39 <thatdude> heh
Aug 04 15:15:51 <thatdude> everyone gets confuse
Aug 04 15:16:29 <thatdude> I have no idea who is thadood.
Aug 04 15:16:38 <epyon22> haha he stole your name
Aug 04 15:17:05 <thatdude> Nope, I spell it properly
Aug 04 15:17:19 <thatdude> big difference plus I own it
Aug 04 15:18:14 <epyon22> haha
Aug 04 15:19:06 <thatdude> Well let me log of from my Pre, battery draining.
Aug 04 15:19:23 <epyon22> ah ok
Aug 04 15:19:34 <thatdude> ttyl epyon22
Aug 04 15:19:44 <epyon22> cya thatdude
Aug 04 15:25:37 <jwm> http://xkcd.com/350/
Aug 04 15:27:24 <epyon22> haha thats awesome
Aug 04 15:32:01 <FreeTim3> Very good, my home PC got a virus this morning. I'm not fixing it till later on (it can stew till then.)
Aug 04 15:55:55 <jcrawford> man o man palm going to crack down on the tether app, bastards :(
Aug 04 15:56:04 <jcrawford> that was one of the best features about having the phone lol
Aug 04 15:56:24 <raeb1> mmm
Aug 04 15:56:25 <raeb1> maybe
Aug 04 15:56:34 <raeb1> is apple cracking down on tether apps in cydia ?
Aug 04 15:56:35 <jcrawford> i don't see the issue, you are going to use the b/w anyway because you would just do it on the phone, rather I would like to see it on a bigger screen, hows that an issue?
Aug 04 15:56:53 <lmorchard> Probably more like Sprint telling Palm to crack down because they charge like $50/mo for phone-as-a-modem
Aug 04 15:56:54 <jcrawford> not a maybe: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Aug 04 15:57:05 <jcrawford> lmorchard, yes but they do not offer that option for the pre
Aug 04 15:57:12 <jcrawford> there is no phone as modem plan that will work with the pre
Aug 04 15:57:15 <lmorchard> But they might someday
Aug 04 15:57:18 <jcrawford> i called prior and asked
Aug 04 15:57:24 <jcrawford> then block it when the time comes
Aug 04 15:57:27 <lmorchard> So they want to reserve the option
Aug 04 15:57:27 <jcrawford> pfft
Aug 04 15:57:28 <tlp> yeah, I wouldn't blame Palm for that. It's more of a Sprint issue.
Aug 04 15:57:31 <lmorchard> Heh, if only they worked that way
Aug 04 15:57:34 <raeb1> old news
Aug 04 15:57:41 <jcrawford> i just read it today
Aug 04 15:58:09 <raeb1> yeah, i think they wont allow any tethering apps in app catalog
Aug 04 15:58:10 <lmorchard> Ah, yeah, that's an old story... tethering still actually works though, just don't ask about it around here :)
Aug 04 15:58:11 <raeb1> however
Aug 04 15:58:19 <raeb1> the homebrew scene may be small enough that nobody cares too much
Aug 04 15:59:24 <raeb1> for now
Aug 04 15:59:27 <raeb1> but still
Aug 04 15:59:43 <raeb1> to have a palm rep unnoficially say something to homebrew dev's
Aug 04 15:59:59 <raeb1> sounds more like caution than ultimatum
Aug 04 16:00:59 <Technobabble> i talked to a palm rep yesterday
Aug 04 16:01:12 <Technobabble> they seem really cool with the hacking
Aug 04 16:01:35 <tlp> Their own SDK rips the Pre wide open (novaterm)
Aug 04 16:01:42 <lmorchard> Yeah, I get the sense that as long as the homebrew scene isn't malicious and cooperates with toning down things that panic carriers, we're pretty good
Aug 04 16:03:36 <blau-mikeDG> im doing some totally awesome things with my apps
Aug 04 16:04:00 <gxti> unlike a certain other vendor, palm is actually interested in having people *use* the platform
Aug 04 16:04:18 <gxti> unfortunately it is easy to forget that's how it should be
Aug 04 16:04:41 <lmorchard> I'd really rather they permit all and just squawk about a few things, rather than deny all and indulge a few things
Aug 04 16:05:03 <lmorchard> That reminds me, I should start on that fully-illustrated Kama Sutra app
Aug 04 16:05:04 <blau-mikeDG> im really miffed at the annoyance it is to develop on your own
Aug 04 16:05:06 <blau-mikeDG> for the iphone
Aug 04 16:05:35 <blau-mikeDG> make sure it can adjust brightness though
Aug 04 16:05:46 <blau-mikeDG> so you can use it in the dark without being blinded
Aug 04 16:05:53 <Epyon1> haha
Aug 04 16:06:07 <blau-mikeDG> i should be a usability engineer
Aug 04 16:06:13 <lmorchard> single-handed operation!
Aug 04 16:06:22 <Epyon1> ooo
Aug 04 16:07:19 <Epyon1> ~seen pregame
Aug 04 16:07:30 <gxti> interesting... i just installed the optware thingy, and it seems to have enabled both dropbear and openssh. is this expected?
Aug 04 16:08:24 <lmorchard> Yup
Aug 04 16:09:19 <lmorchard> You did review the bootstrap script before running it, right? :)
Aug 04 16:09:34 <gxti> i skimmed; i did not commit it to memory
Aug 04 16:09:47 <lmorchard> It's listed in the features in comments at the top
Aug 04 16:10:13 <lmorchard> http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/master/optware-bootstrap.sh#line21
Aug 04 16:11:31 <gxti> ok, but why do they both need to be installed?
Aug 04 16:12:27 <lmorchard> Hmm, now that I don't know
Aug 04 16:12:47 <lmorchard> Seems like dropbear would be sufficient if you don't want sftp
Aug 04 16:13:19 <blau-mikeDG> drop drawers
Aug 04 16:13:26 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: ping!
Aug 04 16:17:15 <gxti> and of course my company's wifi is not reachable from the lan, making it rather difficult to ssh
Aug 04 16:18:32 <atlanta> Hey all
Aug 04 16:37:48 <blau-mikeDG> how do i view the mojo.log.info stuff?
Aug 04 16:38:14 <blau-mikeDG> log appname doesnt appear to work
Aug 04 16:38:51 <Epyon1> sup atlanta
Aug 04 16:40:30 <blau-mikeDG> nevermind, didn thave loglevel picked up
Aug 04 16:40:31 <blau-mikeDG> grrr
Aug 04 16:41:02 <lmorchard> Is there a log appname command on the device? never been able to make that work
Aug 04 16:41:17 <blau-mikeDG> dont think so
Aug 04 16:41:20 <blau-mikeDG> think its only on emu
Aug 04 16:41:22 <lmorchard> I can tail /var/log/messages in the emu, but bah
Aug 04 16:41:24 <lmorchard> ahh okay
Aug 04 16:41:26 <blau-mikeDG> i just do tail | grep appname
Aug 04 16:41:32 <blau-mikeDG> on the device
Aug 04 16:41:50 <Epyon1> hey PreGame your system service on your backend i can run scripts but can i get the output from programs?
Aug 04 16:41:50 <lmorchard> Hmm, I don't see the messages on the device in /var/log/messages either
Aug 04 16:42:10 <FreeTim3> @gtxi  dropbear definately supports ssh... I use SSH-2 to it all the time (so it hides my root password from plaintext over wifi)
Aug 04 16:42:29 <lmorchard> been finding the log messages super helpful when running unit tests, without needing to actually look at the emu screen
Aug 04 16:43:00 <Epyon1> why dont you just use a different user FreeTim3 and sudo
Aug 04 16:43:13 <FreeTim3> I do that too
Aug 04 16:43:40 <Epyon1> ah ok cause that way there is no root pw ever being transmitted
Aug 04 16:44:41 <FreeTim3> Agreed. Still, using SSH is easy breezy with dropbear, and I have lots of nosy and technical neighbors
Aug 04 16:44:44 <bpadalino|work> no root password is definitely one way of avoiding sending your password over the wire/air
Aug 04 16:44:56 <Epyon1> lol
Aug 04 16:46:28 <raeb1> skrew sudo
Aug 04 16:46:34 <raeb1> authorized_keys ftw
Aug 04 16:47:01 <Epyon1> yeah thats a good idea too
Aug 04 16:56:46 <quotemstr> What's the actual sound device used for calls?
Aug 04 16:56:54 <quotemstr> I'm wondering whether it's possible to record one.
Aug 04 16:57:08 <thatdude> I am back
Aug 04 17:00:23 <thatdude> I just want to say to the public, Apple sucks!
Aug 04 17:00:40 <quotemstr> thatdude: Outside the Mac division, yes.
Aug 04 17:01:20 <thatdude> quotemstr: Yes.
Aug 04 17:01:28 <quotemstr> Hrm.
Aug 04 17:01:34 <quotemstr> Do regular cells get routed through Pulseaudio at all?
Aug 04 17:01:38 <quotemstr> s/cells/calls/
Aug 04 17:17:30 <atlanta> thatdude: I second that
Aug 04 17:22:57 <thatdude> palm-emulator
Aug 04 17:23:03 <thatdude> lol, wrong window.
Aug 04 17:23:10 <czarphanguye> lol
Aug 04 17:35:22 <atlanta> hey destinal
Aug 04 17:39:19 <atlanta> Anybody know where the text messages are saved isnt it a db
Aug 04 17:41:53 <blau-mikeDG> yeah
Aug 04 17:41:57 <blau-mikeDG> PalmDatabase.db3
Aug 04 17:42:01 <blau-mikeDG> i forget where it is though
Aug 04 17:42:06 <blau-mikeDG> i was poking around the other day
Aug 04 17:44:03 <epyon22> /usr/lib/luna/PalmDatabase.db3
Aug 04 17:44:03 <epyon22> /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3
Aug 04 17:44:11 <epyon22> are they the same?
Aug 04 17:46:46 <atlanta> oh lala time to surf through there
Aug 04 17:46:55 <atlanta> blau-mikeDG: are the text messages structured nicely
Aug 04 17:46:56 <atlanta> ?
Aug 04 17:47:10 <epyon22> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File
Aug 04 17:47:18 <epyon22> found this atlanta
Aug 04 17:47:35 <blau-mikeDG> i dont remember, i was tyring to delete them
Aug 04 17:47:45 <blau-mikeDG> but i think i found a load of tables and views all interconnected
Aug 04 17:47:55 <blau-mikeDG> i didnt really look at the schema though
Aug 04 17:48:23 <atlanta> oh ok
Aug 04 17:48:33 <atlanta> yea because i have a conversation that wont delete
Aug 04 17:48:41 <atlanta> and im about to resolve to webos doctor but dont want to
Aug 04 17:48:59 <atlanta> epyon22: thanks bud
Aug 04 17:51:59 <blau-mikeDG> atlanta: i couldnt get some stuff to delete through the tables
Aug 04 17:52:04 <blau-mikeDG> bitched about some weird error
Aug 04 17:52:07 <blau-mikeDG> so i have up and doctored
Aug 04 17:52:18 <atlanta> yea probably gonna  happen here
Aug 04 17:52:37 <blau-mikeDG> did you happen to use the quickcut app?
Aug 04 17:52:47 <atlanta> nope
Aug 04 17:52:54 <atlanta> is it useful
Aug 04 17:52:55 <atlanta> ?/
Aug 04 17:53:50 <blau-mikeDG> oh yeah, but it had/has an sms bug that screwed up sms with a certain contact for a handful of people
Aug 04 17:54:39 <atlanta>  oh ok gotcha
Aug 04 17:54:45 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: ping!
Aug 04 17:56:04 <blau-mikeDG> i think one person resovled it with a partial reset
Aug 04 17:56:10 <blau-mikeDG> it was the opposite of your issue though
Aug 04 17:56:24 <blau-mikeDG> after deleting a conversation, you couldnt get it to appear in the list again
Aug 04 17:56:25 <blau-mikeDG> lol
Aug 04 17:57:02 <blau-mikeDG> its not lol but eh
Aug 04 18:04:57 <Robi_> hmm someone needs to make a grooveshark app
Aug 04 18:05:27 <Robi_> search is fast and u actualy get the song u want to hear!
Aug 04 18:05:30 <Robi_> niec ui
Aug 04 18:05:47 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: hi
Aug 04 18:05:49 <jcrawford> i am getting closer to figuring out the phone app :D
Aug 04 18:05:58 <jcrawford> almost at a point where I think I could start writing the patch heh
Aug 04 18:06:07 <jcrawford> patches can include adding new files right?
Aug 04 18:06:35 <jcrawford> or maybe i will make my patch do 2 patches at once, one for the phone app and one for the contacts app
Aug 04 18:06:47 <jcrawford> then you could add a contact and check a box saying don't ring my phone if they call :"D
Aug 04 18:07:01 <epyon22> lol
Aug 04 18:07:11 <epyon22> ignore this contact forever
Aug 04 18:07:31 <Robi_> http://listen.grooveshark.com/
Aug 04 18:07:49 <Templarian> Robi_: your suppose to link the song.
Aug 04 18:08:03 <Templarian> its in the info section lol... we can't guess what you want to share.
Aug 04 18:08:14 <jcrawford> epyon22, yep :D
Aug 04 18:08:28 <jcrawford> i keep getting harassed by collection agencies for a previous owner of this number
Aug 04 18:08:42 <jcrawford> no matter how many times i tell them to stop calling they tell me they cannot find my number to remove it
Aug 04 18:08:54 <jcrawford> so i want to ignore that number, don't even want it ringing my phone :D
Aug 04 18:09:17 <jcrawford> sprint told me I would have to contact my local authorities who would then contact sprint's fraud division in order to get the number blocked
Aug 04 18:09:59 <jcrawford> maybe I will make a seperate app to add numbers to that will be ignored then only the phone app will have to be modified to check the database
Aug 04 18:10:02 <jcrawford> not sure yet
Aug 04 18:10:10 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: I took a screen shot of the terminal getting all messed up
Aug 04 18:10:29 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: ok, but the question is how to replicate it
Aug 04 18:10:39 <atlanta> jcrawford: is there a incoming function on the phone
Aug 04 18:10:39 <atlanta> ?
Aug 04 18:10:47 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: http://omploader.org/vMjNnNw
Aug 04 18:10:51 <jcrawford> atlanta
Aug 04 18:11:01 <jcrawford> you have to subscribe to the telephony service
Aug 04 18:11:04 <jcrawford> which the phone app does
Aug 04 18:11:21 <jcrawford> but.. there is no way to "intercept" both my app and the phone app would be listening for events
Aug 04 18:11:27 <atlanta> thought it was locked to com.palm apps
Aug 04 18:11:29 <jcrawford> i thought about a single app method :D
Aug 04 18:11:33 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: do you test in the emulator?
Aug 04 18:11:36 <jcrawford> atlanta, it might be locked to that
Aug 04 18:11:43 <jcrawford> i am not sure
Aug 04 18:11:55 <jcrawford> but what stops me from making a com.palm app :D
Aug 04 18:11:57 <Zuchmir2> ouch, that looks bad... is that only the lines *after* the real text?
Aug 04 18:11:59 <atlanta> gotcha some nice mods to the phone app will do
Aug 04 18:12:14 <jcrawford> yea so it will take mods
Aug 04 18:12:29 <jcrawford> just trying to determine if i will make a second app for managing the numbers of just use a json file
Aug 04 18:12:35 <Zuchmir2> no, i can't get the emulator setup on my linux box
Aug 04 18:12:49 <jcrawford> probably just a json since if they are applying patches they have root and have know how to edit files :D
Aug 04 18:12:52 <Zuchmir2> btw are those lines different colors?
Aug 04 18:13:00 <atlanta> true that would do
Aug 04 18:13:09 <atlanta>  a json file that your file edits
Aug 04 18:13:16 <atlanta> and then have a edit in the phone app to
Aug 04 18:13:17 <atlanta> check that json
Aug 04 18:13:19 <thatdude> You guys wanna know of a great mod which would be great?
Aug 04 18:13:19 <atlanta>  on incoming
Aug 04 18:13:20 <jcrawford> well the app wont be able to edit
Aug 04 18:13:23 <atlanta> sounds golden
Aug 04 18:13:24 <jcrawford> because JS cannot write files
Aug 04 18:13:29 <jcrawford> so they would have to vi the file
Aug 04 18:13:30 <atlanta> thatdude: what
Aug 04 18:13:38 <atlanta> jcrawford: true
Aug 04 18:13:46 <atlanta> no but theres a way
Aug 04 18:13:46 <PuffTheMagic> are u using latest .terminal and plugin?
Aug 04 18:13:46 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: yeah for the most part
Aug 04 18:13:49 <PuffTheMagic> but sometimes the line with text gets fucked up too
Aug 04 18:13:51 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: why not
Aug 04 18:13:51 <atlanta> you can make a service adapter
Aug 04 18:13:53 <PuffTheMagic> nope always white
Aug 04 18:14:13 <thatdude> atlanta: A mod that will automatically put your phone on airplane if no cell signal.
Aug 04 18:14:27 <Zuchmir2> ok, i see the prob...
Aug 04 18:14:34 <alphakamp> i cant find the ssh page anymore (wiki)
Aug 04 18:14:49 <jcrawford> atlanta, a way to write files?
Aug 04 18:14:49 <alphakamp> no matter i just need to be reminded where the init script is
Aug 04 18:14:55 <Zuchmir2> _active_flags is not initialised!
Aug 04 18:14:59 <jcrawford> would require i write a service which there are no docs for yet
Aug 04 18:15:10 <gkatsev> thatdude: the only problem i see with that is that i dont think you can reverse it, user will have to manually remove airplane mode.
Aug 04 18:15:16 <atlanta> jcrawford: correct but theres people in the dev community that know how
Aug 04 18:15:19 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: :D
Aug 04 18:15:28 <PuffTheMagic> that woudl do it
Aug 04 18:16:08 <thatdude> gkatsev: I though about that too, but I don't mind.
Aug 04 18:16:12 <Zuchmir2> also it's declared wrong, it should be an: CellFlags
Aug 04 18:16:40 <gkatsev> thatdude: i could you could do something like, if no signal for more than a minute then turn it off, or something like that
Aug 04 18:16:49 <thatdude> gkatsev: Here in new york talking the subway = phone battery drain due to not having signal and the phone constantly looking for service.
Aug 04 18:17:15 <thatdude> talking = taking
Aug 04 18:17:51 <gkatsev> thatdude: shouldve used the s/match/replace/ and infobot wouldve replaced it for you
Aug 04 18:17:55 <gkatsev> s/wouldve/would've/
Aug 04 18:17:55 <infobot> gkatsev meant: thatdude: shouldve used the s/match/replace/ and infobot would've replaced it for you
Aug 04 18:18:35 <Zuchmir2> ... just pushed the fix
Aug 04 18:18:47 <PuffTheMagic> pulled it already ;)
Aug 04 18:19:46 <PuffTheMagic> it dont build
Aug 04 18:20:02 <PuffTheMagic> error: invalid conversion from 'int' to 'CellFlags'
Aug 04 18:20:43 <Zuchmir2> hmm, just noticed that...
Aug 04 18:22:56 <Zuchmir2> ok, just used an int for now, ... will look into why it's not compiling otherwise
Aug 04 18:23:05 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: Terminal WTF pwned me on Eclipse.
Aug 04 18:23:24 <PuffTheMagic> you just fail at eclipse
Aug 04 18:23:26 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Aug 04 18:23:35 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: It kept giving me the error that it can't be found
Aug 04 18:23:42 <thatdude> PuffTheMagic: spare me
Aug 04 18:27:07 <alphakamp> what happened to the ssh article on the wiki?
Aug 04 18:27:27 <jcrawford> how do i restart luna again?
Aug 04 18:28:13 <epyon22> stop LunaSysMgr & start LunaSysMgr
Aug 04 18:29:21 <PuffTheMagic> killall -9 LunaSysMgr
Aug 04 18:30:27 <epyon22> sweet my extended battery has been delivered ill get to play with it when i get home :-D
Aug 04 18:34:47 <alphakamp> gah the originally install opensshserver guide on the wiki is gone... does it still exsist somewhere?
Aug 04 18:35:08 * Templarian questions how epyon22 is going to play with his battery... the level of fun will be extended in length I suppose... :P
Aug 04 18:35:49 <epyon22> Templarian: lol well of course ill be havin fun all night lol
Aug 04 18:36:33 <Templarian> alphakamp: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install you mean?
Aug 04 18:36:43 <jcrawford> so close
Aug 04 18:37:01 <jcrawford> the phone rings and shows a black box on the bottom guess i am calling rejectCall at the wrong time hehe
Aug 04 18:37:04 <epyon22> Templarian: i was about to do that
Aug 04 18:37:09 <jcrawford> song also plays over and over haha
Aug 04 18:37:46 <branded> Hello, i'm curious if anyone knows how mail messages are stored on the phone
Aug 04 18:37:52 <Templarian> alphakamp: if not http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Special:Allpages just use the all pages to see if you can find it.
Aug 04 18:37:54 <branded> are they in a SQLite DB?
Aug 04 18:39:22 <alphakamp> Templarian: yes thank you thats what i was looking for
Aug 04 18:40:24 <branded> looky here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File
Aug 04 18:40:32 <branded> branded: you've answered your own questions
Aug 04 18:40:34 <branded> branded: thanks
Aug 04 18:42:52 <thatdude> branded: lol
Aug 04 18:43:18 <thatdude> doodums: How about you just be thedude?
Aug 04 18:43:40 <thatdude> doodums: Or theotherdude
Aug 04 18:44:21 <jcrawford> hell yea
Aug 04 18:44:27 <jcrawford> i found out where in the code to do my checking
Aug 04 18:44:42 <jcrawford> now just to determine if i want to use a json file or create an app that uses the depot
Aug 04 18:44:58 <jcrawford> or even better yet.. patch the contacts app to add a checkbox for ignore calls
Aug 04 18:45:12 <thatdude> jcrawford: What you talking about?
Aug 04 18:45:14 <jcrawford> but i successfully made it so work calls my phone but my phone will not ring :D
Aug 04 18:45:24 <jcrawford> thatdude, a way to say do not ring my phone for this contact
Aug 04 18:45:26 <thatdude> Oh ignored calls from a user
Aug 04 18:45:28 <jcrawford> or this number
Aug 04 18:45:58 <thatdude> jcrawford: Nice, similar to the G1 which when a user calls goes directly to voicemail.
Aug 04 18:46:06 <jcrawford> thatdude, yep
Aug 04 18:46:30 <jcrawford> but now i need to determine how to do this because no matter what i choose the user will still have to patch the phone application
Aug 04 18:46:39 <jcrawford> because there is no way to intercept calls before the phone app grabs them
Aug 04 18:46:58 <jcrawford> if i used a json file how do i include that file into another file so that i can access the array?
Aug 04 18:47:07 <thatdude> jcrawford: I prefer a patch because it will just integrate withj the phone.
Aug 04 18:47:31 <jcrawford> thatdude, right but what i am saying is you will have to vi a json file to create your list of blocked numbers
Aug 04 18:47:47 <jcrawford> so now i just need to know how to include a json file
Aug 04 18:47:55 <jcrawford> will adding it to the sources.json do it?
Aug 04 18:48:32 <thatdude> jcrawford: Is it possible to build it under contacts.  If I want to ignore John Doe I just check an option under that contact info.
Aug 04 18:49:10 <jcrawford> i am not sure
Aug 04 18:49:17 <jcrawford> that would require patching 2 apps with 1 patch
Aug 04 18:49:33 <jcrawford> also i am not sure if i add a row to the db in code if it will effect the db or not
Aug 04 18:49:47 <jcrawford> like will it corrupt your current contact list etc.
Aug 04 18:50:50 <branded> is the SDK released to the public yet?
Aug 04 18:51:10 <thatdude> branded: o_O
Aug 04 18:51:13 <thatdude> branded: Yes
Aug 04 18:51:17 <branded> okay cool
Aug 04 18:51:18 <branded> thanks
Aug 04 18:51:29 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: still around
Aug 04 18:51:33 <branded> i don't know, i haven't looked into this for a fwe weeks
Aug 04 18:51:53 <branded> how can nobody have made a program that can search the contents of mail messages yet?
Aug 04 18:51:58 <thatdude> branded: http://developer.palm.com/
Aug 04 18:51:59 <jcrawford> so can i easilly add a column to the contacts db or will that effect it?
Aug 04 18:52:43 <branded> :D
Aug 04 18:52:44 <branded> tahnks
Aug 04 18:53:06 <branded> thatdude: do you suggest using eclipse?
Aug 04 18:53:10 <branded> as the IDE?
Aug 04 18:53:26 <thatdude> I use it
Aug 04 18:53:27 <jcrawford> branded, nope i suggest Komodo :))
Aug 04 18:53:43 <jcrawford> Templarian, created a nice toolkit for Komodo and is working on a plugin
Aug 04 18:54:28 <branded> i've never really deved in javascript, just python, c#, vb
Aug 04 18:54:35 <branded> does it really matter which IDE i use?
Aug 04 18:54:47 <branded> i'd rather use eclipse because it's foss, right?
Aug 04 18:55:02 <epyon22> foss?
Aug 04 18:55:14 <Templarian> branded: so is Komodo Edit
Aug 04 18:55:16 <branded> free open source software
Aug 04 18:55:28 <jcrawford> branded, use Komodo Edit, it's freeware :D
Aug 04 18:55:31 <Templarian> branded: you will want the toolbox trust them.
Aug 04 18:55:41 <branded> sounds good
Aug 04 18:55:42 <jcrawford> not the full fledge IDE but you don't need it for this Edit is just fine :D
Aug 04 18:55:46 <branded> toolbox, i like toolboxes
Aug 04 18:56:05 <branded> sounds good
Aug 04 18:56:14 <Templarian> branded: give it a bit and the addon will be out (for now the toolbox will do everything you need)
Aug 04 18:56:35 <jcrawford> guys why is this if statement passing?
Aug 04 18:56:37 <jcrawford> if(number !== 6173958179) {
Aug 04 18:56:38 <branded> okay cool
Aug 04 18:57:00 <jcrawford> Error: Number: 6173958179,
Aug 04 18:57:10 <branded> ascii value of number ? :/
Aug 04 18:57:17 <branded> is this a trick question
Aug 04 18:57:26 <bpadalino|work> you are being tested
Aug 04 18:57:32 <geist> FAIL
Aug 04 18:57:55 <bpadalino|work> hows it going geist ?
Aug 04 18:58:03 <geist> not too bad
Aug 04 18:58:08 <jcrawford> no.. number is logged with Mojo.Log.error("Number: %s", number);
Aug 04 18:58:13 <jcrawford> it comes out like above
Aug 04 18:58:20 <jcrawford> so they should match the if
Aug 04 18:58:30 <jcrawford> that if should not execute the block of code
Aug 04 18:59:05 <bpadalino|work> geist, do you plan on going to the webos deverloper thing happening on the 8th ?
Aug 04 19:01:18 <geist> probably not, never heard of it
Aug 04 19:02:04 <bpadalino|work> oh, hey - your arm emulator .. is there a specific instruction set you're targeting ?
Aug 04 19:02:22 <geist> armv5, being that that's the last publically documented version
Aug 04 19:02:50 <geist> but it does armv4 as well, it's a switch
Aug 04 19:03:18 <bpadalino|work> armv7 isn't publically available yet?
Aug 04 19:04:22 <bpadalino|work> i would think since gcc can create code for that target, the instruction set should be available ..
Aug 04 19:04:32 <bpadalino|work> but maybe it's the whole backward compatible thing that i am getting confused about
Aug 04 19:06:09 <jcrawford> ok so i got it blocking works number now lol
Aug 04 19:07:43 <jcrawford> hmm what exactly is a stage proxy>?
Aug 04 19:08:08 <roxfan> bpadalino|work: reportedly you can claim you're a student doing research and arm will send you the doc
Aug 04 19:08:24 <roxfan> geist: actually armv6 is public
Aug 04 19:09:17 <roxfan> bpadalino|work: also armv7-m (thumb2) is public
Aug 04 19:09:28 <epyon22> what version is the pre?
Aug 04 19:09:30 <Technobabble> wow, you guys have come a long way since i rooted my first pre
Aug 04 19:09:35 <bpadalino|work> armv7
Aug 04 19:09:36 <epyon22> v5?
Aug 04 19:09:36 <egaudet> is there a vim plugin for komodo?
Aug 04 19:09:36 <roxfan> armv7-a
Aug 04 19:09:38 <Technobabble> all these scripts and everything
Aug 04 19:09:40 <epyon22> ah ok
Aug 04 19:10:32 <Templarian> Technobabble: it's just a start. Give them a month and it will be impressive what people can do.
Aug 04 19:10:51 <Technobabble> i have to say that i'm really impressed at the moment
Aug 04 19:11:02 <Technobabble> this script is doing the things that took me a week to do
Aug 04 19:11:12 <Rick_> it's pretty amazong.
Aug 04 19:11:20 <Technobabble> who made this script?
Aug 04 19:11:32 <Rick_> jackieripper
Aug 04 19:11:40 <Technobabble> the optware-bootstrap
Aug 04 19:11:58 <Rick_> a huge bunch of people did a detailed code review
Aug 04 19:12:12 <Technobabble> how come it's installing dropbear and openssh
Aug 04 19:12:15 <Rick_> and there were a bunch of hands in the pot,  but JackieRipper wrote the core.
Aug 04 19:12:25 <Rick_> dropbear for everything EXCEPT sftp
Aug 04 19:12:35 <Rick_> just the sftp part of openssh
Aug 04 19:12:41 <Technobabble> ahhh
Aug 04 19:12:48 <Rick_> dropbear is 1/2 the size
Aug 04 19:13:17 <Technobabble> yeah, i remember you guys talking about that when you first made the wiki page
Aug 04 19:14:54 <Rick_> egaudet - there are vim keybindings for komodo docs.activestate.com/komodo/4.4/vikeybind.html
Aug 04 19:15:26 <egaudet> sweet, so I have a working service/app to change the frequency of the accelerometer events
Aug 04 19:15:39 <Technobabble> rick, was it supposed to set the root file system to ro again after it was done?
Aug 04 19:15:47 <Technobabble> or was it expecting you to continue on to something else
Aug 04 19:16:04 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: you write a service for it?
Aug 04 19:16:25 <egaudet> yea PuffTheMagic, I did it for the learning experience
Aug 04 19:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> you use my LEDService as a model or you do it from scratch?
Aug 04 19:16:56 <egaudet> your LEDService was very clutch
Aug 04 19:17:11 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 04 19:17:17 <egaudet> it's basically the same thing, except a little simpler since it's just one sysfs attribute i had to modify
Aug 04 19:17:21 <jcrawford> are there any open source services yet?
Aug 04 19:17:25 <jcrawford> where others can learn from?
Aug 04 19:17:30 <roxfan> geist: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/14128.pdf <- has v6 info
Aug 04 19:17:38 <PuffTheMagic> jcrawford: just mine and egaudet's
Aug 04 19:17:45 <jcrawford> where can i see em?
Aug 04 19:17:48 <PuffTheMagic> jcrawford: accelerometer and led services
Aug 04 19:17:54 <PuffTheMagic> jcrawford: ledservice is in the git repo
Aug 04 19:17:59 <egaudet> So I guess I have to clean it up and put it somewhere public?
Aug 04 19:18:01 <PuffTheMagic> and egaudet's will be in the git repo soon ;)
Aug 04 19:18:31 <Technobabble> what's the ledservice do?
Aug 04 19:18:31 <jcrawford> PuffTheMagic, can i PM you?
Aug 04 19:18:38 <egaudet> Ok, so I'm going to go figure out how to use git now
Aug 04 19:18:39 <PuffTheMagic> jcrawford: sure
Aug 04 19:21:22 <bpadalino|work> oh, the ARM ARM
Aug 04 19:23:47 <roxfan> they should make up some doc which acronyms to LEG
Aug 04 19:38:04 <Technobabble> looks like clinton got the girls back from north korea...
Aug 04 19:38:08 <Technobabble> wonder how he did it
Aug 04 19:39:39 <tlzz> he asked nicely..
Aug 04 19:40:53 <Technobabble> which was the terminal that destinal made again?
Aug 04 19:41:40 <Technobabble> nm, found it
Aug 04 19:45:06 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: hi
Aug 04 19:45:25 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: theres another bug i was hoping your could fix
Aug 04 19:45:36 <PuffTheMagic> typing 'reset' into the console breaks shit
Aug 04 19:46:07 <Zuchmir2> what's it supposed to do?
Aug 04 19:46:40 <PuffTheMagic> reset all formatting back to defaults
Aug 04 19:46:46 <PuffTheMagic> move the cursor back to top left
Aug 04 19:46:52 <PuffTheMagic> similar to clear
Aug 04 19:46:57 <PuffTheMagic> but it resets more
Aug 04 19:48:16 <Zuchmir2> lemme look at the output of strace -s100 reset 2> /reset.txt, to understand it
Aug 04 19:54:15 <Technobabble> is there a way to get the system to show all the services starting up on boot?
Aug 04 19:57:49 <art_sjc> hello, is this the right channel if I need help using the WebOS Doctor tool?
Aug 04 19:57:59 <bpadalino|work> help with the doctor ?
Aug 04 19:58:21 <art_sjc> I'm trying to reset my pre to wipe all my modifications
Aug 04 19:58:37 <bpadalino|work> you're having problems ?
Aug 04 19:58:48 <art_sjc> yes, my computer won't detect the Pre
Aug 04 19:58:51 <art_sjc> I've tried everything on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Aug 04 19:59:15 <art_sjc> when I boot using the bootloader recovery mode it only prompts me to install a OMAP3430 driver
Aug 04 19:59:43 <art_sjc> but the "Next" button on the Doctor tool remains disabled
Aug 04 20:00:10 <bpadalino|work> boy that sounds terrible .. when you hold up..
Aug 04 20:00:17 <bpadalino|work> is the pre plugged into usb, or not ?
Aug 04 20:00:43 <art_sjc> I hold up, then attach the usb cable while holding up
Aug 04 20:00:56 <bpadalino|work> and the display shows a big USB logo ?
Aug 04 20:01:13 <art_sjc> no it shows the normal Palm power on/booting logo
Aug 04 20:01:23 <art_sjc> I then release up and reinsert the battery
Aug 04 20:02:00 <bpadalino|work> that's kind of strange .. mine shows a big usb logo when i power on holding the up button
Aug 04 20:02:16 <art_sjc> do you remove the battery?
Aug 04 20:02:25 <bpadalino|work> nah, i don't remove the battery
Aug 04 20:02:31 <art_sjc> let me try it again
Aug 04 20:04:22 <art_sjc> well, this time the huge usb logo popped up
Aug 04 20:04:26 <art_sjc> interesting
Aug 04 20:04:45 <art_sjc> no prompt about OMAP3430 either
Aug 04 20:04:50 <art_sjc> and now next is enabled
Aug 04 20:05:03 <art_sjc> thanks, I'll see about editing that page later with this information
Aug 04 20:05:36 <bpadalino|work> you're welcome
Aug 04 20:05:55 <bpadalino|work> and thanks for looking at editing the page for others
Aug 04 20:06:28 <art_sjc> no problem, this is a great community, I've benefited a lot from it
Aug 04 20:08:06 <egaudet> so i did git commit into the Applications/ directory, git add -A, now I do git push yes?
Aug 04 20:09:26 <bpadalino|work> push it good
Aug 04 20:09:43 <PuffTheMagic> err
Aug 04 20:09:48 <PuffTheMagic> git add .
Aug 04 20:09:52 <PuffTheMagic> git commit -a
Aug 04 20:10:12 <PuffTheMagic> then git push
Aug 04 20:10:21 <PuffTheMagic> but before you push
Aug 04 20:10:24 <PuffTheMagic> you ned to git pull
Aug 04 20:10:30 <PuffTheMagic> and make sure you have the latest HEAD
Aug 04 20:12:10 <Robi_> Templarian: it's more about pick any song, instead of the pandora pick a song, but we'll play you only the ones like it
Aug 04 20:13:31 <PuffTheMagic> Robi_: pandora still its the best internet radio i've found
Aug 04 20:13:34 <PuffTheMagic> i was using it before the pre
Aug 04 20:13:40 <PuffTheMagic> i like everything it comes up with
Aug 04 20:13:50 <PuffTheMagic> you dont get any control when you use normal internet radio
Aug 04 20:13:52 <Templarian> Robi_: oh you were just linking the site lol, thought you were trying to link a song.
Aug 04 20:13:52 <Robi_> http://listen.grooveshark.com/ try that
Aug 04 20:13:53 <PuffTheMagic> so its a win
Aug 04 20:13:56 <tlzz> god bless the music genome project
Aug 04 20:14:14 <Templarian> Robi_: everyone knows about that site. lol (its used at most parties i go to)
Aug 04 20:14:25 <Templarian> It's the youtube of music hehe.
Aug 04 20:14:43 <Robi_> i see
Aug 04 20:14:51 <Templarian> Still an awesome site though.
Aug 04 20:14:52 <Robi_> lik ei said a pre app would be good
Aug 04 20:16:18 <Templarian> Yea, grooveshark has a pandora type playmode also PuffTheMagic (it's almost as good actually)
Aug 04 20:17:02 <egaudet> how do I push?
Aug 04 20:17:07 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: git push
Aug 04 20:17:37 <raeb1> pandora is cool
Aug 04 20:17:44 <raeb1> slacker is a bit cooler, though not as... professional
Aug 04 20:18:20 <egaudet> do I need to be registered or something? says url is read-only
Aug 04 20:18:57 <Templarian> I have pandora playing 24/7 at work or home so I tend to like it, my bro prefers groovesharks continuous play mode. Both are pretty good.
Aug 04 20:19:01 <PuffTheMagic> ohh thats pretty nice
Aug 04 20:19:05 <PuffTheMagic> groovshark that is
Aug 04 20:19:26 <Robi_> nod
Aug 04 20:19:39 * Templarian takes it back not everyone knows about it. Great for large parties everyone just adds to the list.
Aug 04 20:20:01 <raeb1> doesn't pandora only allow 40 hrs a month these days
Aug 04 20:20:16 <Templarian> raeb1: theres no limit.
Aug 04 20:20:26 <Templarian> Except for 1 hour without interacting with the player.
Aug 04 20:20:31 <Templarian> (I use the gadget for windows)
Aug 04 20:20:38 <Templarian> So windows key + g.
Aug 04 20:20:49 <Templarian> Pretty seamless.
Aug 04 20:21:35 <raeb1> Templarian: http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/archives/2009/07/important_updat_1.html
Aug 04 20:21:42 <Templarian> I listen to around 10+ hours a day of pandora so if there was a limit i would have hit it hehe.
Aug 04 20:21:50 <Robi_> yae i saw jobs for working at pandora heh
Aug 04 20:21:50 <raeb1> Templarian: quote: Specifically, we are going to begin limiting listening to 40 hours per month on the free version of Pandora
Aug 04 20:22:38 <PuffTheMagic> does groovshark work on the pre though a browser?
Aug 04 20:23:00 <Robi_> try it
Aug 04 20:23:48 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: no it's flash.
Aug 04 20:24:03 <Templarian> raeb1: I'll be the first to see that one lol.
Aug 04 20:24:05 <PuffTheMagic> baaah
Aug 04 20:24:10 <PuffTheMagic> when are we gonna get flash support?
Aug 04 20:24:27 <PuffTheMagic> i wonder if we can build gnash or oneof the opensource flash plugins
Aug 04 20:24:37 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: you do not want to use flash to play audio all day long it's a huge battery drain it would be better to proxy it somehow.
Aug 04 20:24:59 <Robi_> decompile the flash and use the calls to make an app ;]
Aug 04 20:25:13 <PuffTheMagic> how could it be worse than running pandora all day
Aug 04 20:27:27 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: flash has overhead compared to just audio.
Aug 04 20:27:59 <PuffTheMagic> Templarian: what good is just audio if you have no interface to manipulate it
Aug 04 20:28:29 <Templarian> PuffTheMagic: you can call flash commands through JS directly. So technically...
Aug 04 20:28:49 <Templarian> (not directly**)
Aug 04 20:29:28 <Templarian> Kind of wondering who listens to just 1.3 hours of pandora a day though...
Aug 04 20:29:57 <ark3qqq> Some of us listen to a several hours maybe once or twice a week.
Aug 04 20:30:10 <Technobabble> sometimes i only listen to a couple songs
Aug 04 20:30:20 <Robi_> ark3qqq: ie nto junkies ;]
Aug 04 20:30:24 <Robi_> e rnot
Aug 04 20:30:28 <Robi_> @$%&@
Aug 04 20:30:38 <PuffTheMagic> i listen to pandora when im taking a shit
Aug 04 20:30:53 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 04 20:34:54 <egaudet> Who do I ask about getting some git push priveledges
Aug 04 20:35:45 <Templarian> Guys it only counts for the website not for the external players.
Aug 04 20:35:54 <bpadalino|work> you can push to your own account at any time, and then send a merge request
Aug 04 20:38:07 <PuffTheMagic> that wasnt exactly what he asked
Aug 04 20:38:35 <bpadalino|work> "don't contact us, we'll contact you" ?
Aug 04 20:38:49 <PreGame> i listen to about 7 hours a day while at work
Aug 04 20:39:36 <Templarian> PreGame: do you use the stand-alone app?
Aug 04 20:40:08 <PreGame> I use the web app at my computer
Aug 04 20:40:20 <PreGame> but i have listened to it for about 7 hours while driving
Aug 04 20:40:25 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: http://www.gitorious.com/+webos-internals-developers
Aug 04 20:40:43 <Templarian> PreGame: it doesn't count on mobile devices or external apps only their site.
Aug 04 20:40:43 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: destinal was adding everyone who wanted to contribute, idk what bpadalino's problem is
Aug 04 20:41:10 <PreGame> what?
Aug 04 20:41:11 <bpadalino|work> i'm an administrator ? who knew!
Aug 04 20:41:57 <Templarian> PreGame: we were discussing the 40h limit lol.
Aug 04 20:43:21 <PreGame> are you sure???
Aug 04 20:43:31 <PreGame> you have to login on the mobile device
Aug 04 20:44:52 <Templarian> Yea, I'm 100% sure since my bro says his co-worker hits it all the time and I listen to 10 hours a day. hehe.
Aug 04 20:50:53 <egaudet> alrighty well I did the merge request
Aug 04 20:53:28 <ark3qqq> Yay for email spam. :)
Aug 04 20:54:00 <ark3qqq> So as a git newb, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do about that merge request. Could someone help clue me in?
Aug 04 20:54:25 <destinal1>  ark3qqq:  I think all members get the merge request
Aug 04 20:54:45 <ark3qqq> Yes, I figured as much. But do I need to do anything?
Aug 04 20:55:06 <destinal1> ark3qqq: not particularly
Aug 04 20:55:15 <destinal1> though someone should :)
Aug 04 20:55:21 <ark3qqq> That makes things easy for me. :)
Aug 04 20:55:55 <bpadalino|work> egaudet, json.jar, lunaservice.jar and serviceframework.jar are all the jars that come on the pre ?
Aug 04 20:56:13 <egaudet> yes
Aug 04 20:56:59 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: on the Pre i can't replicate that error... don't see what would be causing that prob
Aug 04 20:57:20 <PuffTheMagic> with reset?
Aug 04 20:57:23 <egaudet> ark3qqq, pull the repos, edit the .git/config to change git:// to ssh://git@, do your commits, register on gitorious, clone the repository via gitorious, push to the link it gives in your cloned repos (will ask for you to add ssh key first)
Aug 04 20:57:26 <egaudet> then request merge
Aug 04 20:57:31 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: after i press 'reset'... i cant use backspace
Aug 04 20:57:33 <PuffTheMagic> that is the error
Aug 04 20:57:43 <Zuchmir2> oh, lemme see
Aug 04 20:58:20 <egaudet> Utils.jar too bpadalino
Aug 04 20:58:27 <bpadalino|work> indeed, i see that
Aug 04 20:58:59 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: i mean type not press
Aug 04 20:59:06 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: you fixed the lines issue
Aug 04 20:59:07 <PuffTheMagic> it seems
Aug 04 20:59:12 <PuffTheMagic> i havent gottent that since your commit
Aug 04 20:59:41 <bpadalino|work> egaudet, it's probably not a good idea to include the jars since they're really owned by Palm
Aug 04 21:00:11 <CIA-29> TheRaven wiki * r3781 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Browser_Delete_Individual_History_Items - new page
Aug 04 21:00:14 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: yeah dont include them ;)
Aug 04 21:00:54 <egaudet> ok, i'll go remove them
Aug 04 21:03:10 <bpadalino|work> github seems to have a better interface for merging these requests :(
Aug 04 21:04:09 <PuffTheMagic> bpadalino: you dont need a gui for it
Aug 04 21:04:15 <PuffTheMagic> git merge <url>
Aug 04 21:04:17 <PuffTheMagic> or git pull
Aug 04 21:04:23 <PuffTheMagic> one of those two wil do it
Aug 04 21:04:29 <PuffTheMagic> no need for the webinterface
Aug 04 21:04:41 <PuffTheMagic> bpadalino: i can do it
Aug 04 21:04:48 <PuffTheMagic> if u want
Aug 04 21:07:12 <raeb2> i love this dam fone
Aug 04 21:07:22 <egaudet> so do you want me to delete the merge request and fix it?
Aug 04 21:07:40 <bpadalino|work> puffthemagic, sure - merge it up but don't accept the jars .. should be good otherwise
Aug 04 21:08:10 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: remove the jars and commit again
Aug 04 21:08:15 <PuffTheMagic> and i will merge that into the real repo
Aug 04 21:08:18 <egaudet> ok
Aug 04 21:08:24 <PuffTheMagic> but yeah delete the request
Aug 04 21:08:51 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: ping
Aug 04 21:09:30 <czarphanguye> Q:  wiki/installing an ipk says to use ipkg -o /var/ install, I've already installed a dozen homebrewed apps without the `-o /var` path... mmm...  does it matter?
Aug 04 21:10:02 <egaudet> ok i did another merge request
Aug 04 21:10:30 <egaudet> is it a problem that it still has the commit history from the first commit with the jars?
Aug 04 21:10:48 <raeb2> czarphanguye: your apps still run i assume? the problem with ipkg without the '-o /var' is your isntalling your packages outside of /var, and you're taking up disk space normally reserved for palm's apps
Aug 04 21:11:08 <raeb2> palm installs app catalog apps into /var, so we follow the same methodology
Aug 04 21:11:31 <PuffTheMagic> merged and pushed
Aug 04 21:11:41 <bpadalino|work> push it real good
Aug 04 21:11:47 <raeb2> its a lawnmower song, get it?
Aug 04 21:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> ssss ahh sss pushit
Aug 04 21:14:15 <bpadalino|work> thanks puff .. git is blocked when i am at work :(
Aug 04 21:14:25 <PuffTheMagic> np
Aug 04 21:15:06 <czarphanguye> raeb2: yes they are working fine w/o installing into /var.  Thanks for the tip, I'll start doing that ;-0
Aug 04 21:20:47 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: so your example for templates worked and i sorta got it working
Aug 04 21:21:06 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: but i could use your help recreating the appMenu look as a viewMenu
Aug 04 21:24:38 <egaudet> ?
Aug 04 21:26:05 <PuffTheMagic> you know what an appMenu looks like right
Aug 04 21:26:10 <tlzz> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Aug 04 21:26:14 <PuffTheMagic> its the default menu in the top left of the screen
Aug 04 21:26:31 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: i want to recreate that look
Aug 04 21:26:39 <PuffTheMagic> but using viewMenu instead
Aug 04 21:26:54 <PuffTheMagic> i cant figure out the css/temlplates/classes to use for it
Aug 04 21:27:37 <egaudet> Not sure what example for templates you were talking about above?
Aug 04 21:27:52 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: the one you send me yesterday/last night
Aug 04 21:28:11 <egaudet> I think you are confusing me?
Aug 04 21:29:21 <PuffTheMagic> you helped me using templates with a viewMenu last night
Aug 04 21:29:29 <PuffTheMagic> and sent me a working example
Aug 04 21:29:43 <PuffTheMagic> so thanks for that
Aug 04 21:29:43 <egaudet> I don't think that was me, unless there's another egaudet running around
Aug 04 21:29:52 <PuffTheMagic> i thought it was you
Aug 04 21:30:35 <egaudet> nope sorry, although I can still try to help any way I can :)
Aug 04 21:30:38 <bpadalino|work> a doppelganger!
Aug 04 21:31:29 <PuffTheMagic> ahh it was edektor
Aug 04 21:31:37 <PuffTheMagic> sorta close ;)
Aug 04 21:41:28 <lmorchard> Has anyone in these parts sprung for the double cap seidio battery?
Aug 04 21:45:39 <raeb2> got me a touchstone kit and a touchstone base on the way :D
Aug 04 21:46:35 <gxti> likewise
Aug 04 21:47:00 <gxti> also a screen protector... the crappy one that came with the phone is getting a little worn :P
Aug 04 21:47:26 <raeb2> i wonder if the touchstone battery cover makes the guy thicker
Aug 04 21:47:30 <lmorchard> I got a Zagg invisibleshield on mine... adter the 2nd attempt
Aug 04 21:47:50 <raeb2> lmorchard:  invisible sheild good stuff?
Aug 04 21:48:23 <lmorchard> Yeah, as long as you are particular about installing it
Aug 04 21:48:28 <lmorchard> also free warrantee replacements
Aug 04 21:48:38 <raeb2> can take to mall, they have carts there that offer installation
Aug 04 21:48:49 <raeb2> hopefully they dont charge more than online
Aug 04 21:48:53 <lmorchard> Ah, in that case, bonus
Aug 04 21:49:01 <lmorchard> installation is the only thing I hated about it
Aug 04 21:49:01 <raeb2> if not, maybe i buy online and bring to mall fools
Aug 04 21:49:20 <lmorchard> it's a little grippy, so dragging is not totally smooth, but I don't hate it
Aug 04 21:49:33 <raeb2> my fear is it will get dirty or cloudy
Aug 04 21:49:38 <raeb2> then again, you can always replace it
Aug 04 21:49:43 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: hi
Aug 04 21:50:00 <lmorchard> Schmutz seems to wipe off it fine, not sure about getting cloudy
Aug 04 21:50:10 <lmorchard> Though I can say that it peels off with no residue :)
Aug 04 21:50:27 <raeb2> heh, does it peel off with no residue after being on the device for 6 months
Aug 04 21:50:40 <lmorchard> Hmm, not sure. my test was after a week hehe
Aug 04 21:59:57 <rwhitby> egaudet: ping
Aug 04 22:01:37 <PreMan> does anyone know how to make the dialer stay up after an incoming call ends?
Aug 04 22:02:32 <egaudet> hi
Aug 04 22:03:09 <thatdude> rwhitby: What does ping do in this channel?
Aug 04 22:03:21 <PreMan> does anyone know about the dialer?
Aug 04 22:03:37 <Robi_> PreMan: text request for a pong
Aug 04 22:03:49 <rwhitby> egaudet: did anyone already give you commit privs?
Aug 04 22:03:58 <egaudet> rwhitby, not that I know of
Aug 04 22:04:02 <rwhitby> thatdude: it's a conventional way of getting someone's attention
Aug 04 22:04:18 <PreMan> PING!
Aug 04 22:04:26 <PreMan> does anyone know how to get the dialer to stay up afte rincoming call ends?
Aug 04 22:04:32 <rwhitby> egaudet: what's your gitorious username?
Aug 04 22:04:34 <PreMan> PONG!
Aug 04 22:05:17 <thatdude> rwhitby: thanks.
Aug 04 22:05:28 <egaudet> egaudet
Aug 04 22:05:43 <rwhitby> egaudet: you now have commit privs
Aug 04 22:06:18 <egaudet> awesome, thanks!
Aug 04 22:06:47 <rwhitby> no, thank you for your contribution.
Aug 04 22:13:31 <rwhitby> gxti: regarding your question earlier about dropbear and openssh - dropbear server is enabled, and openssh outgoing client is enabled.  dropbear has half the running memory footprint for the server, openssh has the best client features.
Aug 04 22:15:47 <gxti> rwhitby: except that it appeared both were running as daemons
Aug 04 22:15:58 <gxti> i could be wrong, and now i can't easily check because i'm at home where i don't have wifi
Aug 04 22:16:09 <gxti> plus my desktop doesn't work with precomd for some reason
Aug 04 22:16:11 <rwhitby> gxti: that would be a bug in the script if it is the case.
Aug 04 22:16:44 <rwhitby> it installs both, but only installs the upstart script for dropbear, so only dropbear is started on boot.
Aug 04 22:17:18 <rwhitby> the script also kills the auto-started-on-install daemon for openssh
Aug 04 22:18:19 <gxti> ahh, ssh to EVDO worked that time
Aug 04 22:18:32 <gxti> 12565 ?        S<s    0:00 /opt/sbin/sshd
Aug 04 22:18:42 <gxti> i haven't restarted since installing, so maybe the kill just didn't work
Aug 04 22:20:44 <gxti> /opt/sbin/sshd: no process killed
Aug 04 22:20:46 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: we need get rid of that code that draws that yellow box with the key locks in it... and let mojo display something instead
Aug 04 22:21:02 <gxti> found that in optware-bootstrap.sh.log
Aug 04 22:22:46 <Zuchmir2> not sure about that, because the plugin keeps track of the state of keys
Aug 04 22:23:33 <PuffTheMagic> they plugin can still listen to the state
Aug 04 22:23:40 <PuffTheMagic> but it does not need to display that box
Aug 04 22:23:48 <PuffTheMagic> we can do that in js
Aug 04 22:23:56 <PuffTheMagic> and then put icons in the header or something
Aug 04 22:24:01 <PuffTheMagic> in that wasted space at the top
Aug 04 22:24:08 <Zuchmir2> the plugin can be out of sync w/what the OS thinks the state of the keys are
Aug 04 22:24:28 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: well that is a bug in the programming of the plugin
Aug 04 22:24:32 <PuffTheMagic> and it should be fixed
Aug 04 22:24:57 <Zuchmir2> ... perhaps, but it works
Aug 04 22:24:59 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: or the plugin could output the state
Aug 04 22:25:05 <PuffTheMagic> and then mojo and respond to that
Aug 04 22:25:06 <PuffTheMagic> either way
Aug 04 22:25:18 <Zuchmir2> ... but the state changes w/o a call from mojo
Aug 04 22:25:20 <PuffTheMagic> i want to to be able to put what is in that yellow box elsewhere
Aug 04 22:25:29 <PuffTheMagic> thats not what im saying
Aug 04 22:25:32 <Zuchmir2> ie when sym is pressed, it's not called from mojo
Aug 04 22:25:35 <PuffTheMagic> if the plugin is listening to the state
Aug 04 22:25:40 <PuffTheMagic> then instead of drawing a box
Aug 04 22:25:44 <PuffTheMagic> it can craete an event
Aug 04 22:25:48 <PuffTheMagic> that mojo can listen to
Aug 04 22:25:54 <PuffTheMagic> and then do something with the return value
Aug 04 22:25:57 <Zuchmir2> not sure how to do that
Aug 04 22:26:16 <PuffTheMagic> i can look into
Aug 04 22:26:28 <Zuchmir2> ok, sounds like a plan
Aug 04 22:26:38 <PuffTheMagic> figure out the reset issue?
Aug 04 22:27:07 <Zuchmir2> looks like reset is sending invalid esc sequences!
Aug 04 22:27:08 <rwhitby> gxti: hmm - is /opt/sbin/sshd the process that is still running?
Aug 04 22:27:31 <PuffTheMagic> invalid? it works on my linux box no problem
Aug 04 22:27:41 <PuffTheMagic> seems like our pre term isnt handling them properly
Aug 04 22:27:53 <rwhitby> gxti: ah, I see you pasted that, yes.  So we just need to work out why the script it not able to kill it ...
Aug 04 22:28:28 <rwhitby> gxti: the work-around is to reboot - sshd will not restart since it has no upstart script installed.
Aug 04 22:28:45 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: http://pastebin.com/d33a1c60c
Aug 04 22:29:17 <gxti> rwhitby: there's nothing apparent to me in the script that would indicate why it failed to stop
Aug 04 22:29:21 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: idk what that is supposed to mean to me
Aug 04 22:29:34 <gxti> rwhitby: unless it was somehow detached from the installer
Aug 04 22:32:18 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: term: unexpected
Aug 04 22:32:38 <Zuchmir2> .. is the error, now to track down *specifically* what it did...
Aug 04 22:34:06 <rwhitby> gxti: I'm wondering if there's timing coming into the equation somewhere.
Aug 04 22:40:06 <lmorchard> egaudet: That accelerometer service is great, especially seeing as the word going around was that the pre could only sample at 4hz
Aug 04 22:41:17 <rwhitby> we need to make services like that able to be easily installed using something like the WebOS Quick Install program.  I'm working with the author of that tool to try and support postinst scripts.
Aug 04 22:41:54 <rwhitby> so we should plan to do whatever is required to install that service in the postinst script, after it has been installed under /var
Aug 04 22:42:05 <egaudet> Yea luckily Palm made it fairly easy to change the rate on the fly
Aug 04 22:42:10 <rwhitby> (e.g. adding symlinks to the place where it needs to be)
Aug 04 22:42:32 <egaudet> that would be awesome rwhitby
Aug 04 22:43:50 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: i have no idea what that output is from
Aug 04 22:43:55 <PuffTheMagic> or what u did to generate it
Aug 04 22:44:05 <Zuchmir2> i type reset
Aug 04 22:44:06 <PuffTheMagic> but im telling you... reset works fine on every box ive use it on
Aug 04 22:44:42 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: what is that the output of?
Aug 04 22:44:51 <Zuchmir2> ok, maybe mrvc understands this more
Aug 04 22:44:54 <destinal1> the issue is, I think, that we don't actually conform to the terminal language for the terminal type we claim to be
Aug 04 22:45:14 <destinal1> close, but not quite
Aug 04 22:45:34 <Zuchmir2> i don't know about that, we simply "ignoring" commands, but the code is handling them
Aug 04 22:46:28 <Zuchmir2> ie, when the esc sequence comes through it's parsed, but the UI is not seeing it
Aug 04 22:47:13 <Robi_> "Waiting for guts.grooveshark.com"  nice naming scheme
Aug 04 22:49:34 <destinal1> Robi_: what's that for?
Aug 04 22:50:09 <Robi_> it's what the domain uses
Aug 04 22:50:19 <Robi_> song service
Aug 04 22:50:46 <Robi_> http://listen.grooveshark.com and try it
Aug 04 22:53:36 <Robi_> "Waiting for cowbell.grooveshark.com"  hehe
Aug 04 22:55:10 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 04 22:55:12 <PuffTheMagic> cowbell
Aug 04 22:55:17 * PuffTheMagic needs more cow bell
Aug 04 22:55:24 * Robi_ nods
Aug 04 22:56:58 <rwhitby> egaudet: will you be around in an hour or so?  I'd like to work with you on getting your accel service into preware.
Aug 04 22:57:40 <rwhitby> (as the example service, like termplugin is the example plugin)
Aug 04 23:02:11 <egaudet> yea i'll be around
Aug 04 23:05:15 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: what happened to the gesture event handling
Aug 04 23:05:20 <PuffTheMagic> your preferences dont work any more
Aug 04 23:05:26 <PuffTheMagic> cause its not listening to the back gesture
Aug 04 23:11:54 <Zuchmir2> not sure, maybe when things moved into mutli cards...
Aug 04 23:12:19 <Zuchmir2> still trying to find the esc sequense error
Aug 04 23:13:03 <Zuchmir2> this is the string that reset is sending: <1B>c<1B>(K<1B>[J<1B>[0m<1B>[?25h
Aug 04 23:14:10 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: sometimes when i do cat /dev/input/mice on my desktop/laptop the terminal gets fucked up0
Aug 04 23:14:17 <PuffTheMagic> like... no matter what i type
Aug 04 23:14:24 <PuffTheMagic> i get random characters
Aug 04 23:14:26 <PuffTheMagic> but if type reset
Aug 04 23:14:29 <PuffTheMagic> it fixes it
Aug 04 23:15:38 <PuffTheMagic> Zuchmir2: i looked at termplugin and there are no methods for handling gestures
Aug 04 23:15:56 <Zuchmir2> ok
Aug 04 23:16:29 <PuffTheMagic> and i didnt remove them if they existed
Aug 04 23:16:33 <PuffTheMagic> so idk what is up with that
Aug 04 23:16:38 <Zuchmir2> it think that was removed, relying on the os to do what it has to
Aug 04 23:16:45 <PuffTheMagic> but i added back the methods in the js to send them to the plugin
Aug 04 23:16:55 <Zuchmir2> what gestures r u refering to?
Aug 04 23:17:25 <PuffTheMagic> well if i try pushing your prefs scene (not spawning a new stage like it is now)
Aug 04 23:17:33 <PuffTheMagic> i cant use back gesture to go back to the terminal
Aug 04 23:20:45 <PuffTheMagic> hmm
Aug 04 23:20:48 <PuffTheMagic> it sorta works
Aug 04 23:20:52 <PuffTheMagic> crashes Luna
Aug 04 23:20:53 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 04 23:22:21 <Zuchmir2> ... ok the culprit is "<1B>c", have to figure out why that's not working...
Aug 04 23:23:02 <Zuchmir2> oh, that i don't know, that has to do with multi windows and all, i'm not sure...
Aug 04 23:23:22 <PuffTheMagic> ok so i probably have to rework the prefs menu then a little
Aug 04 23:23:33 <PuffTheMagic> Mojo.Depo is a wrapper for all the db shit
Aug 04 23:23:34 <Zuchmir2> yeah
Aug 04 23:23:40 <PuffTheMagic> so using that will make the db calls easy as pie
Aug 04 23:24:35 <Zuchmir2> ok
Aug 04 23:25:14 <Zuchmir2> ... be back a bit later
Aug 05 00:14:28 <thatdude> lol
Aug 05 00:18:54 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: do u expect reset to clear the entire scroll buffer etc?
Aug 05 00:36:05 <rwhitby> Is "Art sjc" from the wiki here?
Aug 05 00:37:11 <Technobabble> is there a way to make new folders in your "photo roll" program?
Aug 05 00:40:15 <rwhitby> does Bell Mobility have a plan that allows tethering?
Aug 05 00:41:08 <thatdude> I hope so ;)
Aug 05 00:52:46 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: Fixed issue with "reset", please check it out
Aug 05 00:53:27 <bpadalino> what was the issue ?
Aug 05 00:54:45 <Zuchmir2> term was not handling <esc>c
Aug 05 00:55:10 <Zuchmir2> ... although i don't see why it would effect anything, but hopefully now it's fixed
Aug 05 00:55:36 <Zuchmir2> ... although the gestures are still not coming though :-(
Aug 05 00:56:32 <bpadalino> :(
Aug 05 00:57:15 <Zuchmir2> i think the plugin does not have focus?
Aug 05 00:59:09 <bpadalino> that's a possibility
Aug 05 00:59:29 <bpadalino> the gestures might no be handled properly in the html side of things, right ?
Aug 05 00:59:43 <rwhitby> egaudet: ping
Aug 05 01:00:23 <egaudet> hi
Aug 05 01:00:37 <Zuchmir2> haven't been doing much on the mojo side, PuffTheMagic has been changing/updating that side
Aug 05 01:00:38 <rwhitby> egaudet: can you talk me through your new service?
Aug 05 01:03:54 <egaudet> Palm's linux driver polls the accelerometer every 250ms by default.  They have made it configurable in user-space through sysfs.
Aug 05 01:04:04 <egaudet> My service gives 4 functions to get/set this value
Aug 05 01:04:19 <egaudet> Either as frequency (HZ) or period (ms)
Aug 05 01:04:33 <rwhitby> do we have an example app that showcases the new service (like Terminal does for termplugin) ?
Aug 05 01:05:18 <egaudet> I am working on a simple ball app to actually showcase it in use.  I have an app that allows you to change it (via integerPicker) frequency only
Aug 05 01:05:37 <egaudet> however you can't "see" the effect unless you run another app like the carpenter's level app in the homebrew section
Aug 05 01:07:15 <rwhitby> egaudet: BTW, the build.xml still says led service
Aug 05 01:07:48 <egaudet> oops, let me fix that
Aug 05 01:07:49 <rwhitby> egaudet: what licensing do you have for the java file?
Aug 05 01:08:38 <egaudet> I guess it should be GPL?
Aug 05 01:09:12 <rwhitby> completely your choice, as author (unless it's derived from some other code)
Aug 05 01:09:37 <rwhitby> for our webos-internals repo, it just needs to OSI compatible license.
Aug 05 01:09:56 <rwhitby> we do patches as MIT, so Palm can use them directly (Palm wouldn't be able to use a GPL patch)
Aug 05 01:10:09 <rwhitby> We did termplugin and Terminal as GPL I believe
Aug 05 01:11:01 <rwhitby> if you're not fussed, GPLv2 would be my recommendation
Aug 05 01:11:07 <egaudet> I used LEDService as my reference, so the code is relatively similar
Aug 05 01:11:20 <egaudet> I'm not fussed at all, just as long as it stays open
Aug 05 01:12:42 <rwhitby> who did LEDService?
Aug 05 01:12:52 <egaudet> I think PuffTheMagic?
Aug 05 01:13:03 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic_: what's the license on LEDService?
Aug 05 01:13:11 <PuffTheMagic_> ohhh
Aug 05 01:13:17 <PuffTheMagic_> i forgot about that
Aug 05 01:13:23 <PuffTheMagic_> um...
Aug 05 01:13:31 <PuffTheMagic_> i am probably gonna BSD it
Aug 05 01:14:02 <PuffTheMagic_> let me do that
Aug 05 01:15:10 <PuffTheMagic_> Zuchmir2: what did you do? i pulled and saw lots of updates?
Aug 05 01:15:14 <rwhitby> egaudet: ok, since it's BSD, then you can choose BSD, MIT or GPL without any problems.
Aug 05 01:15:51 <PuffTheMagic_> BSD is open :D
Aug 05 01:17:06 <egaudet> What's the differences?
Aug 05 01:18:24 <PuffTheMagic_> pushed
Aug 05 01:18:42 <rwhitby> egaudet: BSD can be used by people who want to produce closed binaries.  GPL can't.  Both require the copyright to be maintained on the source.  GPL requires the source to never be used in a way where the source can no longer be seen.
Aug 05 01:18:42 <PuffTheMagic_> idk read them
Aug 05 01:19:03 * PuffTheMagic_ switches to GPL
Aug 05 01:19:04 <PuffTheMagic_> ;)
Aug 05 01:19:14 <egaudet> GPL sounds good to me
Aug 05 01:19:33 <tharris-> sup
Aug 05 01:19:34 <PuffTheMagic_> f' closed source
Aug 05 01:19:47 <rwhitby> Since I haven't fully understood GPLv3, and since Linus is intentionally keeping the Linux kernel at GPLv2, I personally use GPLv2 :-)
Aug 05 01:20:25 <PuffTheMagic_> yeah i used GPL-2
Aug 05 01:20:27 <egaudet> alright, so now I gotta throw that in the .java right
Aug 05 01:20:34 * PuffTheMagic_ sides with linus by default
Aug 05 01:20:38 <rwhitby> I choose MIT when I want a company to be able to use what I've done (e.g. our patches to webOS applications)
Aug 05 01:21:27 <PuffTheMagic_> Zuchmir2: reset still dont work
Aug 05 01:22:14 <PuffTheMagic_> Zuchmir2: backspace is still broken
Aug 05 01:24:38 <raeb> ~seen destinal
Aug 05 01:24:48 <infobot> destinal is currently on #webos-internals, last said: 'ark3qqq: go ahead and commit -- if there's ever an issue, that's what revert is for :)'.
Aug 05 01:27:38 <tharris-> ~seen tharris-
Aug 05 01:27:39 <infobot> tharris- is currently on #webos-internals (1h 48m 29s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen tharris-'.
Aug 05 01:27:46 <tharris-> lol
Aug 05 01:32:31 <rwhitby> egaudet: yep
Aug 05 01:32:54 <egaudet> Ok pushed
Aug 05 01:34:15 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: added code to see what's going on, specifically, what's being sent to the "screen"
Aug 05 01:34:26 <rwhitby> egaudet: thx.
Aug 05 01:35:35 <Zuchmir2> PuffTheMagic: enable: debug_AddChars() in termstate.c (line 691), and lemme know what the output is, maybe that will shed light...
Aug 05 01:35:36 <rwhitby> egaudet: so the ipkg name will the com.eguadet.accel ?
Aug 05 01:37:01 <egaudet> I thought ipkg was only for apps?
Aug 05 01:37:40 <egaudet> Should I change the name?
Aug 05 01:52:46 <rwhitby> egaudet: we'll be using ipkgs to install services too, and the name is fine.
Aug 05 01:53:41 <egaudet> ok cool
Aug 05 01:57:20 <rwhitby> egaudet: I'm going to package com.egaudet.accel in preware.org like we used to package the shell service and commander app that used it.
Aug 05 01:57:31 <tharris-> meh im spent i think
Aug 05 01:58:07 <tharris-> defcon beat me up i think
Aug 05 01:58:34 <Rick__> that comes as no suprise tharris-
Aug 05 01:58:57 <Rick__> Kansas City pre-dev-camp is now over 70 registered, #2 second only to SF.
Aug 05 01:59:22 <tharris-> got a chance to meet up with some top notch security guys there and showed some research, but they havent returned my emails :(
Aug 05 01:59:24 <destinal> we should make sure to refer to the plugins we've been working on so far as "browser plugins" to be unambiguous -- there will be other kinds of plugins that will become relevant before long
Aug 05 01:59:28 <egaudet> ok is there already a system to installing services through ipkg?
Aug 05 02:00:07 <rwhitby> egaudet: currently, it's ipkg -o /var install <service>, then sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/<service>.postinst
Aug 05 02:00:28 <rwhitby> I'm working on getting WebOS Quick Install to do that automatically.
Aug 05 02:00:42 <rwhitby> and our ipkg service will do that too (once we've worked out the security aspects)
Aug 05 02:00:55 <destinal> also I'm starting to wonder if symlinking into /var is really the best way to go long-term
Aug 05 02:01:15 <rwhitby> destinal: for optware, or for apps, plugins and services?
Aug 05 02:01:40 <destinal> rwhitby: for installing binary stuff to support pre apps ie termplugin
Aug 05 02:02:09 <destinal> for instance, how best do we support a bluetooth stack replacement or a hidd plugin
Aug 05 02:02:23 <destinal> figuring it out earlier rather than later is better
Aug 05 02:02:53 <rwhitby> I was figuring it would be installed under /var by ipkg, and then the postinst symlinks to the right locations (or edits files as required)
Aug 05 02:03:03 <psykoz> well KC is where sprint is located ;)
Aug 05 02:03:04 <rwhitby> then ipkg upgrade works without needing root privs
Aug 05 02:03:11 <psykoz> 20:58 <+Rick__> Kansas City pre-dev-camp is now over 70 registered, #2 second only to SF.
Aug 05 02:03:25 <rwhitby> destinal: what are the other options you see?
Aug 05 02:03:38 <psykoz> or specifically Overland Park, iirc
Aug 05 02:04:01 <rwhitby> egaudet: do you have a page on the wiki for the accel service?
Aug 05 02:04:31 <destinal> rwhitby: not sure yet
Aug 05 02:05:09 <rwhitby> destinal: what's the downsides to the scheme I just proposed?  (I know that optware should probably be moved out somehow, cause of it's size)
Aug 05 02:05:24 <egaudet> not as of yet
Aug 05 02:07:57 <destinal> rwhitby: current /var and symlink method *may* work.. I haven't given it a lot of thought as of yet but I know that we're going to have to write things potentially all over the fs (or have symlinks all over) --
Aug 05 02:08:17 <rwhitby> right, we will need to have symlinks all over.
Aug 05 02:08:50 <destinal> and then we have to deal with scripts that may need to mv out old files and symlink in their place, but it could work
Aug 05 02:08:56 <rwhitby> (which is better than writing all over, since the real files stay under /var, so you don't always need to be writing / other than on the initial install)
Aug 05 02:09:42 <destinal> the main issue is that once we open the door as root we allow any app to overwrite our files and take over system functionality.
Aug 05 02:09:53 <destinal> but there has to be some downside, I guess
Aug 05 02:10:07 <destinal> well any app installation, to be clear
Aug 05 02:10:40 <rwhitby> destinal: how do we install our stuff, if we don't support installing any stuff?
Aug 05 02:11:53 <destinal> rwhitby: well in reality it's not a big deal, there are probably other ways for a bad package to get out of /var, as we've discussed before
Aug 05 02:12:46 <rwhitby> destinal: displaying the script to the user, where they check it against the doco, is the only reasonable solution I've been able to think of.
Aug 05 02:13:31 <destinal> rwhitby: well I mean it allows palm-install'd stuff to write over it then..
Aug 05 02:14:04 <rwhitby> destinal: sure, any app can do that to any other app right now.
Aug 05 02:14:37 <destinal> sure, but the only stuff in var that has a lot of power is stuff  pointed at by a symlink into var from elsewhere
Aug 05 02:14:41 <destinal> that's the door we open
Aug 05 02:15:14 <rwhitby> destinal: oh, I see what you mean.  in /var it's writable, whereas if we installed in /, then it would not be overwritable
Aug 05 02:15:27 <rwhitby> destinal: ok, so the postinst can copy instead of symlink
Aug 05 02:16:04 <rwhitby> just have to make sure that prerm and postinst work for an upgrade scenario
Aug 05 02:16:51 <destinal> yeah, we still want to keep things clean, but is symlinking into /opt good that way or not really helpful
Aug 05 02:17:06 <rwhitby> into /var you mean?
Aug 05 02:17:17 <destinal> err, well, just brainstorming, maybe we make a /usr/local
Aug 05 02:17:25 <destinal> something to make it clear what's non-palm
Aug 05 02:17:30 <destinal> even if we have to symlink at it
Aug 05 02:18:04 <destinal> worthwhile or no?
Aug 05 02:18:41 <rwhitby> destinal: postinst for files in /var could chmod u-w, then normal ipkgs without postinsts wouldn't be able to overwrite it
Aug 05 02:19:59 <rwhitby> destinal: BTW, we need a flag day to change the ipkg name for termplugin to the convention you proposed
Aug 05 02:25:02 <destinal> rwhitby: right
Aug 05 02:25:29 <rwhitby> destinal: I agree we need to think this symlink and placement stuff through.
Aug 05 02:28:52 <destinal> rwhitby: looking at serious stack modifications and keyboard, pointing device additions and things brought it into focus for me -- what we're doing now is just scratching the surface compared to the mods we'll want to package up, so getting it right early will be good
Aug 05 02:29:08 <rwhitby> destinal: agreed
Aug 05 02:30:58 <tris> /opt and /usr/local seem roughly equivalent (/opt seeming to be the more SysV/FHS way, /usr/local being the more BSD way)
Aug 05 02:31:54 <rwhitby> tris: we know from speaking with palm that they will not be using /opt for anything.  Dunno about /usr/local - is there anything in there on a Pre at the moment?
Aug 05 02:32:16 <tris> (though /opt is used a bit differently in FHS: /opt, /var/opt and /etc/opt -- not /opt/var, /opt/etc etc.  <packagename> should be the only thing in the top-level of /opt)
Aug 05 02:32:33 <tris> since we're already so far down the path of using /opt, it seems silly to change it now
Aug 05 02:32:54 <_PreHero_> I was wondering if i was the only one who has been using the landscape email patch with 1.1  its always worked for me, but its listed as not compatible
Aug 05 02:33:36 <tris> it works on 1.1 for me
Aug 05 02:34:22 <tris> rwhitby: wait, you say that as if you don't have a Pre ... ?
Aug 05 02:35:08 <rwhitby> tris: I don't.
Aug 05 02:35:10 <tris> you haven't built up this whole dev community without even owning a Pre, have you?  that'd be all the more impressive if true :)
Aug 05 02:35:15 <gxti> root@castle:/# ls /usr/local/bin
Aug 05 02:35:15 <gxti> wifi-mfg-labtool
Aug 05 02:35:20 <rwhitby> tris: that is the case.
Aug 05 02:35:28 <tris> wow
Aug 05 02:35:42 <tris> well, my hat's off to you :)
Aug 05 02:35:56 <_PreHero_> wow, i am supprised as well
Aug 05 02:36:13 <rwhitby> The whole selfish reason for starting the community is to make sure that the Pre can replace my Treo 650 by the time it is released in .au
Aug 05 02:36:14 <_PreHero_> very grateful
Aug 05 02:36:34 <_PreHero_> haha, either way, thanks for your work!
Aug 05 02:36:55 <tris> I seem to recall seeing that rwhitby is one of the guys behind the openwrt / nslu2-linux / ipkg stuff, so that makes sense, but still...
Aug 05 02:36:59 <rwhitby> I just realised that it's easier to create a community than to write the code myself ;-)
Aug 05 02:37:33 <destinal> rwhitby: so a hypothetical.  if we want to install bluez -- optware or preware or something else?  and what if an app has a dependency on it or gets one later, how do we resolve it?
Aug 05 02:37:43 <rwhitby> so now destinal and folks create a Terminal app for me, and .....
Aug 05 02:38:22 <rwhitby> destinal: I think anything that modifies a Palm file goes in preware, so that apps can depend on it.
Aug 05 02:39:50 <rwhitby> tris: I founded nslu2-linux, for much the same reason (I needed a box to upload an EPG to my DVR).  OpenWrt was better firmware for my internet gateway, so I became a core developer there for the ixp4xx devices.  ipkg I'm really just a user.
Aug 05 02:40:20 <rwhitby> it's all 100% selfish - there's no altruism here ;-)
Aug 05 02:40:42 * tris grins
Aug 05 02:49:56 <tris> PreGame, are you going to publish your flashlight app to preware(?)?
Aug 05 02:52:03 <tris> ah, I guess the ipk can't access enough of the fs... thus the discussion above
Aug 05 02:54:23 <zinge> Anybody know the easiest way to write an app that is just an icon toggling a mojo service request call? I don't
Aug 05 02:54:23 <zinge> want it to actually open anything, just to call a mojo service.
Aug 05 02:54:49 <Rick__> zinge:   a headless app with no scene?
Aug 05 02:55:03 <Rick__> read up at devel;oper.palm.com about headless apps
Aug 05 02:55:14 <zinge> Okay, thanks. Thats what I was looking for.
Aug 05 02:55:46 <Rick__> I need some git help if anyone has a moment
Aug 05 02:57:21 <zinge> Sorry, I don't know anything about git.
Aug 05 02:57:53 <PreGame> yea flashlight can be added to preware
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