**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 05 02:59:56 2009 Aug 05 03:04:08 PreGame: where's the source stored, and what's the license? Aug 05 03:08:03 Hey all, anybody here know kmax12? Aug 05 03:10:18 <_PreHero_> i dont, but i wish he was still working on the breakout app! :) Aug 05 03:12:16 He is Aug 05 03:12:18 :) Aug 05 03:13:18 <_PreHero_> Awsome! Aug 05 03:23:20 Destinal wiki * r3812 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.1.0 - created page for differences to new 1.1.0 doctor Aug 05 03:24:28 _PreHero: email me at kmax12@gmail if you want me to send the an ipk Aug 05 03:40:24 ah, good the CIA reporting is working for new pages. Aug 05 03:41:18 kmax12, sent you an email, thank you very much! Aug 05 03:44:24 Gotta love brickbreaker Aug 05 03:51:30 Max has done a heck of a job with brickbreaker Aug 05 03:51:36 and kense's graphics rock Aug 05 03:51:47 I suspect that they are FAR older than they claim Aug 05 03:51:53 :-) Aug 05 03:52:04 Haha Aug 05 03:56:55 There is a new one? Aug 05 03:58:31 Eguy: well a week old or something, 1.1.0.. the doctor images follow the updates by a bit Aug 05 04:00:16 Talking about brickbreaker ;) Aug 05 04:13:58 eguy there's a new brickbreaker yes Aug 05 04:16:57 Eguy: http://www.gitorious.org/webos-applications/breakout/trees/master Aug 05 04:17:03 there's a 1.1 ipk there Aug 05 04:17:08 and it's really amazing Aug 05 04:17:15 max and Kense have outdone themselves Aug 05 04:17:18 ah Aug 05 04:17:21 thanks Aug 05 04:17:52 you will be pleased. Aug 05 04:18:01 why isn't it on preware? Aug 05 04:18:16 uh Aug 05 04:18:23 :P Aug 05 04:18:31 ask kmax12 Aug 05 04:19:47 Eguy: what license is it? Aug 05 04:19:57 I have no idea Aug 05 04:20:07 that'll be why it's not on preware then :-) Aug 05 04:20:37 aha! Aug 05 04:20:54 an app that is released without any license cannot be added to preware, since by default an app is not open source. Aug 05 04:21:19 (dunno about brickbreaker in particular - they may have a license on it) Aug 05 04:21:46 I would certainly think BlackBerry copyrighted the name? Aug 05 04:22:54 Night fellas Aug 05 04:23:50 rwhitby + Eguy = webOS Internals lawyers regarding Open Source License. Aug 05 04:25:44 lol Aug 05 04:25:55 Never mind, it is named Breakout Aug 05 04:26:51 Oy, not working for me Aug 05 04:27:02 get type error on screen Aug 05 04:27:25 now syntax error Aug 05 04:38:18 rwhitby, just about done with the example app Aug 05 04:38:39 egaudet: when you build do you have the webos jars in the same dir? Aug 05 04:39:31 when I build the service yea, the build.xml is looking for them in there Aug 05 04:39:54 ok, I'm just working out how the preware autobuilder will build this package from source Aug 05 04:41:26 If you want to change the build.xml to point to the jars wherever they are I think it will still work fine Aug 05 04:44:14 it gets installed as /usr/lib/luna/java/com.egaudet.accel.AccelService.jar, right? Aug 05 04:44:42 yes Aug 05 04:51:58 egaudet: do you need an upstart file to restart the service on boot? Aug 05 04:52:58 It comes up fine after boot, is there away to restart/add services on the fly? Aug 05 04:53:08 s/away/a way/ Aug 05 04:53:09 egaudet meant: It comes up fine after boot, is there a way to restart/add services on the fly? Aug 05 04:54:41 egaudet: I need text for the Maintainer: and Description: fields in the ipkg Aug 05 04:55:15 anyone have experience with showBanner() Aug 05 04:57:32 What's the usual for those fields? Aug 05 04:57:46 Maintainer: egaudet (emoney_33@yahoo.com) Aug 05 04:58:50 Description: Service allowing applications to modify the accelerometer event frequency (default 4HZ) Aug 05 05:00:27 Need a longer writeup, or does that suffice? Aug 05 05:00:59 perfec Aug 05 05:01:01 t Aug 05 05:01:54 My example app is done! It's just a ball rolling around controlled by the accelerometer Aug 05 05:02:15 oo i want Aug 05 05:02:16 with a slider to increase the frequency so you can see more fluid movement as the frequency rises Aug 05 05:08:12 Packaged contents of AccelService into /srv/preware/services/accel/build/com.egaudet.accel_0.1_all.ipk Aug 05 05:08:53 egaudet: if I needed a short name with just lower-case letters and hyphens for your service, what would you call it? Aug 05 05:09:31 actually, I'll just use 'accelservice', like 'termplugin' Aug 05 05:09:43 sounds good to me Aug 05 05:10:01 rwhitby: so what do we call hidd plugins? :) Aug 05 05:10:04 You want me to push the example app in to throw with it? Aug 05 05:10:09 egaudet: should the ipkg name be com.egaudet.accelservice? Aug 05 05:10:32 sure Aug 05 05:10:37 like org.webosinternals.termplugin Aug 05 05:12:18 rwhitby: aren't we trying to stick with real reversed domain names? Aug 05 05:12:33 egaudet: ah, do you own egaudet.com ? Aug 05 05:12:41 no Aug 05 05:12:53 oh, you need a real reversed domain name. Aug 05 05:13:09 we can use org.webosinternals.accelservice if you want, or another domain that you own. Aug 05 05:13:10 ohhh, org.webosinternals Aug 05 05:13:23 that's fine (don't own any domains) Aug 05 05:13:57 egaudet: can you change to org.webosinternals.accelservice throughout the source please and push? Aug 05 05:15:38 ok so does the jar have to be renamed to org.webosinternals.AccelService.jar as opposed to org.webosinternals.accel.AccelService.jar Aug 05 05:16:01 egaudet: I'd say org.webosinternals.accelservice.jar Aug 05 05:16:16 for the file that goes into the luna dir Aug 05 05:16:36 they use lowercase for all the other service jar files in there don't they? Aug 05 05:17:45 most of them are lowercase (not all) and no reversed domain Aug 05 05:17:46 ah, no it's a mixture Aug 05 05:18:02 we do the reversed domain so we won't collide with Palm Aug 05 05:18:22 I'll change it to lowercase too, I like it better that way Aug 05 05:18:43 the class name can still be mixed case Aug 05 05:19:08 * rwhitby bbiab Aug 05 05:20:15 and I will change the service file to org.webosinternals.accelservice? Aug 05 05:21:20 add an o perhaps Aug 05 05:21:24 accelo Aug 05 05:21:35 this ... requires a real reverse dns thing is sorta stupid Aug 05 05:21:43 i bet most devs dont own a domain Aug 05 05:21:52 fake it in the hosts file Aug 05 05:22:12 may as well use your realname- or somthing Aug 05 05:22:13 idk Aug 05 05:22:28 there will be collisions no matter how hard we try not to Aug 05 05:23:43 PuffTheMagic_: not this again. Aug 05 05:24:13 lol Aug 05 05:24:17 * PuffTheMagic_ shuts up Aug 05 05:25:03 as long as the individual or group that runs a domain decides what projects use what name under it and everyone keeps to that, we're fine. anyone who goes against it and uses someone's domain name without permission or nonexistent ones, then yeah, we could have issues. but they're just objectively wrong. :) Aug 05 05:27:04 and I won't go into the com.palm madness over the private bus :( Aug 05 05:27:14 that is just too depressing Aug 05 05:28:14 destinal: if we stick to com.palm. then we can avoid collisions there too Aug 05 05:28:23 (for stuff that requires private dbus) Aug 05 05:28:27 rwhitby: yeah, that works, it's still depressing Aug 05 05:28:32 nod Aug 05 05:29:17 egaudet: let me know when you've pushed (we really need CIA for git) and I'll update the packaging. Aug 05 05:29:24 PuffTheMagic: did u figure out the gesture stuff? Aug 05 05:31:52 PuffTheMagic_: you just gave me a good idea, maybe Aug 05 05:32:12 so org.webosinternals.accelservice.jar and org.webosinternals.accelservice.AccelService.class now Aug 05 05:33:07 rwhitby: is + or @ sign a valid character in a package name? if so, user@domain.com email addresses are unique, why not com.domain+user.package or com.domain@user.package Aug 05 05:33:33 except . is valid in email addresses.. hm Aug 05 05:33:49 destinal: neither is conventionally used in an ipkg name (well, '+' is conventionally used in the version number to separate upstream and local versioning) Aug 05 05:33:50 just thinking of puff's concern regarding people with valid email addresses but not domains Aug 05 05:34:19 com.gmail.gmail-username Aug 05 05:35:17 yeah, that could work except for joe.black@ and joe@ with a package called black.. oh well Aug 05 05:37:02 well, domain names are cheap, anyway. :P Aug 05 05:37:47 or just put the app in gitorious.org/webos-applications, and use org.webosinternals.appname Aug 05 05:38:07 destinal: it really shouldnt matter what people use... if someone actually owns a domain that someone is using then there might be a case for a change or something Aug 05 05:38:20 but for the most part why not just first come first serve for id's Aug 05 05:38:31 PuffTheMagic_: because there's no central database Aug 05 05:38:41 PuffTheMagic_: thus the rev name thing (java = same way) Aug 05 05:39:03 i understood the first line not the second one Aug 05 05:39:32 I mean that's why Java came up with reverse dns names, it avoids collisions without a central registry Aug 05 05:39:39 ie piggybacks on an existing one Aug 05 05:40:12 even in Java there is no rule for using reverse dns Aug 05 05:40:25 nothing to enforce it Aug 05 05:40:38 if you have to classes with the samepackage you are screwed Aug 05 05:40:57 PuffTheMagic_: you don't need a traffic cop to avoid doing things that break stuff Aug 05 05:41:15 all we can do it make sure there are no duplicates on our feed, and that out feed does not conflict with palms apps Aug 05 05:41:26 other than that... we "could" ue what ever we want for ids Aug 05 05:41:27 is there a way to start the service without reboot? Aug 05 05:41:51 yeah Aug 05 05:41:54 kill LunaSysMgr Aug 05 05:42:02 PuffTheMagic_: "could" yes, "should", no. Aug 05 05:42:21 s/no/dont matter Aug 05 05:42:31 destinal: but i didnt mean to bring this up again Aug 05 05:42:38 :P Aug 05 05:42:55 i as a dev can do what ever i want... i will go with the flow for what is on the preware feed Aug 05 05:43:10 s/i will/but i will/ Aug 05 05:43:11 PuffTheMagic_ meant: i as a dev can do what ever i want... but i will go with the flow for what is on the preware feed Aug 05 05:43:41 destinal: i had an idea Aug 05 05:43:43 .... Aug 05 05:43:58 how about each feed addes the feed name to the package Aug 05 05:44:03 err to the id Aug 05 05:44:14 then within a feed people could do what ever they want Aug 05 05:44:38 PuffTheMagic_: nah, one package should be able to work across feeds Aug 05 05:44:52 with the same name and no modifications Aug 05 05:45:23 * PuffTheMagic_ goes to be Aug 05 05:45:25 bed Aug 05 05:45:27 night Aug 05 05:46:06 we can only publish sensible conventions, appeal to rational people to follow them, and enforce them in the repositories that we control. Aug 05 05:46:43 PuffTheMagic_: good night Aug 05 05:46:54 rwhitby: yeah, this is just following palm's best practices anyway Aug 05 06:02:06 bzhou * r10531 optware/trunk/make/ipython.mk - ipython: 0.9.1 -> 0.10, py2.[45] -> py2.[56] Aug 05 06:06:57 rwhitby, pushed Aug 05 06:25:09 rwhitby, pushed accelexample app as well Aug 05 06:32:20 * egaudet going to bed Aug 05 06:39:06 Rick__: check it out. from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Doctor_version_1.1.0 Aug 05 06:39:17 Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle/usr/bin/d8 Aug 05 06:39:17 Only in 1.1.0: /resources/webOS/nova-cust-image-castle/usr/bin/debug Aug 05 06:51:43 sorry for being a complete newb, but can any one tell me a general list of instructions on how to test an application i made on my pre? Aug 05 06:53:08 Owner: I recommend checking out developer.palm.com and #webos for getting started building apps with the sdk Aug 05 07:44:38 egaudet: thx Aug 05 10:10:11 jomaster * r10532 optware/trunk/platforms/toolchain-fsg3v4.mk - toolchain-fsg3v4: corrected path (TOOLCHAIN_SITE) Aug 05 10:24:34 Anyone ready to alpha test http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService ? Aug 05 10:28:16 rwhitby: What is it? Aug 05 10:30:58 rwhitby: Actually, never mind. I'm going to crash now. Good luck. Aug 05 11:03:31 good morning everyone Aug 05 11:11:34 morning jcrawford Aug 05 11:11:51 jcrawford: want to test egaudet's new accelerometer service? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService Aug 05 11:13:38 Good morning guys Aug 05 11:16:50 I'm working on getting Android running right now ) Aug 05 11:17:28 gonna try to use the default Palm kernel (knowing Android will lack some functionality, namely power management) and install it with trenchcoat Aug 05 11:17:38 wow Aug 05 11:17:43 good luck Aug 05 11:17:55 any progress or just beginning/ Aug 05 11:18:59 beginning Aug 05 11:19:26 eddieck: excellent - are you keeping a wiki page of your progress so others can replicate? Aug 05 11:19:37 yep, I'm going to Aug 05 11:19:46 and all of my work will be commited to github or gcode Aug 05 11:20:18 Android 1.5 (stable) does not include CDMA support; I believe that can be backported from donut (I'd say 2.0, but an Android dev says donut is not 2.0) Aug 05 11:20:44 rwhitby, busy with work right now trying to put out a fire, will have to check it out later today, what does his service do? Aug 05 11:21:00 jcrawford: speeds up the accelerometer sampling rate Aug 05 11:21:32 is there a reason you would want to speed it up? Aug 05 11:21:38 does it make it more sensitive etc. Aug 05 11:21:40 and there is an example app rolling a ball around which shows the difference (except I haven't seen that cause the emulator do anything when I tilt my laptop ...) Aug 05 11:22:05 lol rwhitby Aug 05 11:22:24 ... doesn't do ... Aug 05 11:23:04 it should allow you to move a ball in a curve, rather than a set of jagged lines Aug 05 11:23:37 we're also using it for the example service for preware.org packaging (like termplugin is the example plugin) Aug 05 11:25:53 oh thats cool Aug 05 11:26:05 yeah i hear the sampling rate provided by the default api/services is too slow for games Aug 05 11:26:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService - tell us how well it works Aug 05 11:49:11 checking it out now Aug 05 11:49:17 fire is out here :D Aug 05 11:52:41 what does this mean? Aug 05 11:52:42 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.accelservice.postinst) Aug 05 11:55:47 hah that is cool Aug 05 11:55:54 so i take it turning it all the way down is how it comes stock Aug 05 11:56:02 turning it up gives you more precision? Aug 05 11:57:05 this is some nice work from egaudet :D Aug 05 11:58:14 so how are you supposed to work with the accelerometer in the emulator, you cant because it does not have that hardware Aug 05 11:58:21 that mean you can only test that stuff with a device? Aug 05 11:58:45 yup Aug 05 11:58:51 unless you right a service that simulates it Aug 05 11:59:00 thats how they handle it for android Aug 05 12:02:08 is there any interest in other accelerometer applications, maybe to help demo this service? I released carpentrer's level awhile back but stopped persuing becuase of the uselessness of it (round pre edges and poor accelerometer refresh rate). someone here say the word and maybe I could either update it or release the source Aug 05 12:03:18 the word Aug 05 12:03:46 hello kmax12 Aug 05 12:04:04 the word :D Aug 05 12:08:04 ha sorry Aug 05 12:08:26 do you want the source? Aug 05 12:09:45 try the new service and see if it's better for you Aug 05 12:11:13 Max? Aug 05 12:11:23 You're up 2 nights straight? Aug 05 12:12:06 kmax12: what are you doing still up? Aug 05 12:17:40 jcrawford: so the packaging of the ipkgs was correct? Aug 05 12:19:37 you dont wanna know Aug 05 12:19:43 I finish oracle night Aug 05 12:19:51 finshed** Aug 05 12:20:16 rwhitby, it installed just fine following the instructions Aug 05 12:20:30 jcrawford: excellent, thanks. Aug 05 12:20:33 lol kmax12 how old are yuou? Aug 05 12:20:44 to stay up 2 nights straight you must be young :) Aug 05 12:21:44 16 Aug 05 12:22:28 I have a lot on mind right now, too much thinnking I need to do to sleep -- or at least that's what it feels like Aug 05 12:25:27 kmax12 did you decide MIT license or GPL2 or "I don't care" for brickbreak Aug 05 12:25:53 umm Aug 05 12:26:01 MIT means others could sell it right? Aug 05 12:26:05 I want to keep it free Aug 05 12:26:06 always Aug 05 12:26:37 gpl2 means others could sell it to i think Aug 05 12:26:40 mit means "This is free, I have to get credit, but you could incorporate it into a commercial product if you wanted to. Aug 05 12:26:41 they just have to release the source Aug 05 12:26:50 you can keep it free. Aug 05 12:27:25 let me do some reading online and then get back with a descion Aug 05 12:27:29 ok Aug 05 12:27:57 suggest gpl2 by the way. Same license that Linus Torvalls uses for the Linux Kernel. Aug 05 12:28:57 kmax12: I'd recommend gpl2 if you want to make sure it always stays free in every form Aug 05 12:29:15 im almost positive gpl2 is saleable Aug 05 12:30:25 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Aug 05 12:30:31 blau-mikeDG: yes, in the sense that you can make up a cd of gpl2 sofware and sell it if you want to, but you can't keep others from giving it away..... Aug 05 12:31:23 can you edit, reliscense it and then sell Aug 05 12:31:24 it Aug 05 12:32:26 I think i want GNU Aug 05 12:37:03 cant relicense it afai,k Aug 05 12:37:22 gpl is saleable - but anyone you sell it to can then resell it to 1000 other people for 100th the cost. Aug 05 12:37:46 so you need to offer something for the sale other than just the plain software itself. services is usually the key there. Aug 05 12:38:29 kmax12: you can edit, keep it as GPLv2, and resell it. Aug 05 12:38:45 (as can anyone you resell it to, and so on, ad infinitum) Aug 05 12:39:30 got it, i think GPLv2 is the best choice Aug 05 12:39:33 and you are always guaranteed to be able to take any improvement that anyone else made to your software, and incorporate it back into the version you distribute. Aug 05 12:41:18 well, I already have done that Aug 05 12:45:52 * rwhitby bbt Aug 05 13:10:06 wifi toggle coming up soon Aug 05 13:11:19 whats that do Aug 05 13:11:26 just turn it on and off? Aug 05 13:12:39 are services talked about on the webos-internals wiki?? I can seem to find a page about them Aug 05 13:13:12 just turn it on and off Aug 05 13:34:42 mobile1's new windows based palm pre emulator does landscape. Aug 05 13:34:48 might be useful for testing Aug 05 13:34:52 anyone looked at it? Aug 05 13:35:09 morning Aug 05 13:40:37 not yet... do they charge for it? where can we get it ? Aug 05 13:44:02 wifi toggle done Aug 05 13:44:02 yay Aug 05 13:45:53 no google voice for the pre yet eh Aug 05 13:47:03 no official app yet Aug 05 13:50:23 where is this "mobile1's new windows based palm pre emulator" Aug 05 13:52:17 Hoxworth wiki * r3840 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Avahi - New page: =Avahi= [http://avahi.org Avahi] is a Linux service for providing multicast-DNS/DNS-SD (also known as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_%28software%29 Bonjour] or mDNS/DNS-SD). Avahi a... Aug 05 13:53:23 http://www.genuitec.com/mobile/ Aug 05 14:01:13 bzhou * r10533 optware/trunk/make/cherokee.mk - cherokee: 0.99.20 -> 0.99.22 Aug 05 14:34:44 my pre has DUN support now :D Aug 05 14:35:55 PuffTheMagic_: the bluetooth thing? Aug 05 14:36:42 no Aug 05 14:37:26 PuffTheMagic_: care to enlighten me? Aug 05 14:38:00 dial up networking on the pre? Aug 05 14:38:07 ???? Aug 05 14:38:17 i cant use the magic banned word Aug 05 14:38:22 but it involved using my MSL # Aug 05 14:38:22 oh Aug 05 14:38:23 that Aug 05 14:38:40 there is an app on the phone to do it Aug 05 14:38:42 one of the four published methods, two apps, or ssomething else.... Aug 05 14:38:51 something else Aug 05 14:38:55 i delete the hidden_appinfo.json Aug 05 14:38:57 im lost... Aug 05 14:39:01 and the visible_appinfo.json Aug 05 14:39:11 and edit appinfo.json so that the app is visible Aug 05 14:39:59 nodnod Aug 05 14:40:34 Rick_: destinal mentioned it in the other channel Aug 05 14:40:43 but im not seeing any new device entries Aug 05 14:40:49 i think i need to add a kernel module to my kernel Aug 05 14:41:05 I lost connectivity for about 7 hours on this machine...... Aug 05 14:53:29 PuffTheMagic_: module for what? Aug 05 14:59:28 the acm module in the linux kernel does not seem to support the pre Aug 05 15:06:41 what mode is it in? Aug 05 15:06:52 you are using 1.1.0? Aug 05 15:12:26 # rm /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so.71.86.09 Aug 05 15:12:29 oops not here Aug 05 15:57:43 geist: ping! Aug 05 16:29:06 any suggestions for some more shortcuts to add to quickcut Aug 05 16:31:16 is that a keyboard shortcut solution? I miss typing .xx when I needed "I will be coming home shortly" Aug 05 16:31:32 which worked on my Treo (I think it was called shortkey or something.) Aug 05 16:34:49 freetim: i think theres an app for that Aug 05 16:35:05 to modify autocorrect, im guessing you could make .xx turn into a sentence tho Aug 05 16:35:16 quickcut is just general shortcuts for launcher or quicklaunch bar Aug 05 16:35:39 like wifi/bt toggles, shortcuts straight to a new note or new calendar event, shortcut to text message a certain person, or dial them Aug 05 16:36:12 ok. new note in Evernote for quick jotting Aug 05 16:36:21 that's a third-party app, will it work ? Aug 05 16:37:41 no, but i can look into a solution for evernote Aug 05 16:38:09 currently only works with the basic note app Aug 05 17:00:33 How big is Palm's WebOS development team? Aug 05 17:01:43 small Aug 05 17:17:19 2 people :D Aug 05 17:17:20 haha Aug 05 17:17:22 j/k Aug 05 17:17:47 quotemstr, they are hiring if you want to move to CA Aug 05 17:18:48 jcrawford: Hrm, really? Aug 05 17:19:23 check their site Aug 05 17:21:12 They also have a Montana location, it seems. Aug 05 17:21:26 eh i dont want to be either :D Aug 05 17:21:26 That great hub of software development, Missoula. Aug 05 17:22:04 wish they had a jersey ocation Aug 05 17:22:14 Holy cow, they have a lot of positions open. Aug 05 17:22:19 How on earth are these not filled? Aug 05 17:22:59 montana Aug 05 17:22:59 lol Aug 05 17:23:06 and palm Aug 05 17:23:14 Job qualification: "- No fear of C++ (but smart enough not to use it)" Aug 05 17:23:16 not exatly the paragon of stability Aug 05 17:23:24 haha love that Aug 05 17:23:24 (Might disagree with the sentiment, but I appreciate the style.) Aug 05 17:23:49 do you really even need to root your device these days? Aug 05 17:23:58 my boss just got his and wants to install some stuff from the forums Aug 05 17:24:02 C++ is great provided you don't use it stupidly, instantiate 10,000 templates called ConstInteger<5215>, and wonder why your project takes hours to build Aug 05 17:24:14 not exactly rooting, its just easy access to the command line Aug 05 17:24:22 right Aug 05 17:24:29 i know :) Aug 05 17:24:31 jcrawford: You at least have to get root to create an unprivileged user. Aug 05 17:24:34 most users dont need command line access tho at all Aug 05 17:24:40 ok Aug 05 17:24:50 he will want ity, he's a sys adm :) Aug 05 17:52:04 destinal1, so with the gesture bar, is there anyway to tell if someone taps the left side of it or the right side of it? or does it just only provide output of tap, gesture left, gesture right, long gesture left, long gesture right Aug 05 17:52:08 ? Aug 05 17:57:58 psykoz Aug 05 17:58:48 hello Rick Aug 05 17:59:54 when we were working on breakout Aug 05 18:00:04 we learned that if we started in the main screen Aug 05 18:00:19 and drug down into the gesture area, the continuous drag resulted in being able Aug 05 18:00:25 to play from the gesture area. Aug 05 18:00:32 but we could not START there. Aug 05 18:00:51 So, the raw position data is AVAILABLE for the gesture area... Aug 05 18:01:07 but I don't know that the high-level calls are available Aug 05 18:01:35 i wonder if the gesture area is associated with an input device in /dev/input Aug 05 18:02:06 if so we could wrap a service around it Aug 05 18:10:03 eh? Aug 05 18:11:08 hmm Aug 05 18:21:35 destinal1: the pre does not confrm to the ACM spec Aug 05 18:21:44 If you see only Cls=ff(vend.) then you're out Aug 05 18:21:44 of luck, you have a device with vendor specific-interface Aug 05 18:22:48 rick_, neat, I guess I was more or less hoping you could create area based gesture input, ie: someone does tap-hold on the left side of the gesture bar it does x, someone tap-holds on the right side of the gesture bar, it does y Aug 05 18:22:56 rick_, etc Aug 05 18:29:39 I would like to install an application from opt-ipkg what is the command again? Aug 05 18:29:44 i am looking to install nmap Aug 05 18:29:51 lsof, etc. but forgot the command :D Aug 05 18:45:25 ipkg-opt install lsof Aug 05 18:46:07 thanks Aug 05 18:50:05 Anybody here play PreCheckers? Aug 05 18:51:33 what is the page for the acceleromoter install/uninstall page? Aug 05 18:51:37 i cannot find it on the wiki Aug 05 18:51:38 page Aug 05 18:55:01 i got it :D Aug 05 19:00:42 Jordan Aug 05 19:07:58 does anyone know where the bookmark images are added to the launcher? Aug 05 19:10:25 theres a adirectory for launchpoints Aug 05 19:10:31 and a bunch of files in there Aug 05 19:10:38 open the files, and itll show you where the images are Aug 05 19:11:03 where is the launchpoint directory Aug 05 19:11:26 nevermind Aug 05 19:11:32 thanks mike Aug 05 19:12:51 np Aug 05 19:12:54 whatcha trying to do Aug 05 19:13:11 ok I cant find the right launchpoints directory Aug 05 19:13:23 do you know where the right one is Aug 05 19:13:27 guys why would i get this all of the sudden? Aug 05 19:13:36 http://josephcrawford.com/pics/tweed.jpg Aug 05 19:13:48 ill try to find it again Aug 05 19:14:34 jeffgus: maybe your /var is used more than 85%? Aug 05 19:14:35 .. /var/luna/launchpoints Aug 05 19:14:38 jcrawford: ^ Aug 05 19:15:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/m128778c7 Aug 05 19:15:27 or 75 Aug 05 19:15:32 somebody mentioned something Aug 05 19:15:52 there is some limit for webos try to move something to get below 75% and try then Aug 05 19:16:00 thanks mike but I only have 2 files in there and I can read them Aug 05 19:16:13 why would they limit you on the apps you can have installed? Aug 05 19:16:20