**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 06 02:59:57 2009 Aug 06 03:01:44 sup Aug 06 03:02:07 Rboatright wiki * r3873 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Service - create Aug 06 03:04:27 that's been renamed to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/IPKG_Service Aug 06 03:15:25 The best part about homebrew apps is when they use ugly ass styles/themes I can go in and fix it and make a new package and reinstall Aug 06 03:17:08 thanks ipkg Aug 06 03:19:16 I read the channel policy and am still unclear. Are questions about getting novacom/term working on-topic? Aug 06 03:19:33 I'll help out with helping with novaterm Aug 06 03:19:34 yes emrys that is ok Aug 06 03:19:43 you can also find details on webos-internals.org Aug 06 03:20:30 Ok. As far as I can tell novacomd isn't seeing my device over USB; I get no output to that effect anyway, and novaterm gives "unable to find device". Aug 06 03:20:37 It can see the emulator fine. Aug 06 03:20:48 emrys, do you have the mojo sdk installed? Aug 06 03:20:52 I don't use udev/hotplug so I am assuming I'm missing some event that novacomd watches for to tell it something is there. Aug 06 03:21:06 james_, yes, and I can connect novaterm to the simulator from the SDK fine. Aug 06 03:21:21 emrys: are you seeing the device in dmesg? Aug 06 03:21:26 yes Aug 06 03:21:53 and I can mount it as usb storage fine, independently of trying to use novaterm (ie, I'm not tryin gto use novaterm while it's mounted) Aug 06 03:21:54 can you install apps with palm-install or do you get the same error (no device found)? Aug 06 03:22:02 maybe you can specify options to novaterm (the info you get from dmesg?) Aug 06 03:22:26 from novaterm's help page it only knows about devices novacomd knows about Aug 06 03:22:50 for me, i just installed the sdk and all i had to do was type novaterm in the terminal Aug 06 03:22:59 i guess i can't help you :/ Aug 06 03:23:07 is dev mode supposed to turn on telnet or anything? I'm scanning the device and not seeing anything but 113 open, dev mode or not dev mode Aug 06 03:23:11 oh yes Aug 06 03:23:15 dev mode must be on Aug 06 03:23:23 infact, if it's not on it says no device found Aug 06 03:23:31 lol, maybe that's it Aug 06 03:23:34 emrys: dev mode needs to be on Aug 06 03:23:40 dev mode is on...turned it on, it reset, now it shows it on in the toggle if I bring it up again Aug 06 03:23:40 konami code that palm Aug 06 03:24:52 should I be seeing any other ports open with dev mode on? Aug 06 03:25:01 emrys: yes, in fact it should be a high port Aug 06 03:25:11 what port? Aug 06 03:25:14 I think it's random Aug 06 03:25:45 copying /home/tyler/workspace/com.tylerm.tylershelloworld_1.0.0_all.ipk to /media/internal/developer/com.tylerm.tylershelloworld_1.0.0_all.ipk on device castle-linux (5DA9DFC6CF5DD4D1C327888E8D34481EB3620767:usb:40365) Aug 06 03:25:51 That's what I got from a palm-install Aug 06 03:26:42 novacomd is probably looking for some kind of kernel trigger I don't have running. Aug 06 03:26:53 turn on udev/hotplug then ;) Aug 06 03:27:03 easier said than done heh Aug 06 03:27:10 using a 2.4 kernel? Aug 06 03:27:28 no, just don't want to tweak that much Aug 06 03:28:08 especially when worst case I can probably use an ubuntu live cd or something to just get in long enough to put ssh on it Aug 06 03:28:32 I ended up dual booting ubuntu until I figured out how to install the sdk in my distro of choice Aug 06 03:28:41 that part was fun at least Aug 06 03:28:47 i have ubuntu and the sdk works fine Aug 06 03:28:48 does sftp allow for root login? Aug 06 03:28:51 ar is your friend Aug 06 03:29:02 Technobabble: depends on the sshd_config Aug 06 03:29:29 by default, i'm guessing the answer is no Aug 06 03:30:08 Technobabble: I'm going to look at the config file, find the option, and then relay the information to you Aug 06 03:30:25 oh, i was going to look, but that would be awesome, thank you Aug 06 03:30:34 PermitRootLogin yes is commented out Aug 06 03:30:44 on default configs Aug 06 03:30:46 where's that file located? Aug 06 03:31:00 find / -iname "sshd_config" Aug 06 03:31:19 that'll tell you where it is Aug 06 03:31:29 should be /var/opt/etc/sshd Aug 06 03:31:37 er etc/openssh Aug 06 03:32:21 hrm, there's 2 of them Aug 06 03:32:53 if i'm not mistaken, it's under /opt Aug 06 03:33:01 Mine is under /var/opt Aug 06 03:34:09 anyone know hot generate an event from plugin? Aug 06 03:34:41 in mojo, u can Mojo.Event.send(element, name{string}, mojoDetails, optionalBubbles, optionaCancel) Aug 06 03:38:18 /opt/etc/openssh/ssh_config Aug 06 03:38:19 /var/opt/etc/openssh/ssh_config Aug 06 03:38:31 is it normal for me to have both of those? Aug 06 03:39:17 Technobabble: /opt is a bind mount of /var/opt Aug 06 03:39:29 (think symlink, but hidden from view) Aug 06 03:39:41 oh, that makes sense Aug 06 03:39:58 i remember something in the logic saying something about this chan's devels using /opt for their stuff Aug 06 03:40:06 so i assumed /opt was the right one Aug 06 03:40:14 only for optware stuff, not homebrew apps Aug 06 03:40:19 okay, so here's the better question, i think Aug 06 03:40:38 rather than sftping in as root, should i be changing the perms on the folders like wallpaper? Aug 06 03:40:41 Technobabble: /opt and /var/opt are the *same* files, just mounted twice in different places Aug 06 03:41:18 right, i gotcha Aug 06 03:43:22 so should i change the perms on /media/internal so i can create folders to sort my photos in? Aug 06 03:43:34 or what would be the advised way of handling that? Aug 06 03:47:57 well I found half the problem, didn't even have usbfs mounted Aug 06 03:48:08 emrys: haha Aug 06 03:48:13 now I get "novacom_usb_rx_thread:326: error reading packet, shutting down, rc: -1" over and over again Aug 06 03:50:11 http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/ Aug 06 03:50:26 maybe that's an alternative to a $150 Beagle Aug 06 03:51:56 what version of libusb do y'all who have this working have in your distro? Aug 06 03:52:47 emrys: geist would be interested in seeing that i think Aug 06 03:53:42 does the pre not have chmod ? 'cause when i try to chmod my directory, it stays the same but the date changes to 1969 Aug 06 03:53:53 emrys: libusb-0.1.12-21.fc11.i586 Aug 06 03:53:55 drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 32768 Dec 31 1969 internal Aug 06 03:55:06 that's...a really old libusb Aug 06 03:55:35 emrys: oh, and libusb1-1.0.0-2.fc11.i586 Aug 06 03:56:02 tyler_wylie: are you doing that to /media/internal ? Aug 06 03:56:18 because chmod doesn't work too well with vfat partitions Aug 06 03:56:31 bpadalino: wrong person you're takling to Aug 06 03:56:42 whoops Aug 06 03:56:43 sorry Aug 06 03:56:47 Technobabble: that was for you Aug 06 03:56:48 :( Aug 06 03:57:48 bpadalino, wait what? Aug 06 03:57:52 this thing's vfat? Aug 06 03:57:57 /media/internal is Aug 06 03:58:00 Technobabble: how else would it work on any OS Aug 06 03:58:00 bpadalino: tab completion strikes again Aug 06 03:58:15 heh Aug 06 03:58:22 well how are you guys sftping files onto it? Aug 06 03:58:43 or am i the only confused one trying to do something that's ill advised Aug 06 04:00:27 Technobabble: I've been happy with rsync. Aug 06 04:02:42 i've never used rsync Aug 06 04:02:46 but i've always wanted to try it out on something Aug 06 04:03:02 Technobabble: rsync is amazing Aug 06 04:03:05 sounds like a good little project Aug 06 04:03:11 Technobabble: rsynv -av :D Aug 06 04:03:26 is it already installed? Aug 06 04:04:02 whoa, yeah it is Aug 06 04:05:07 destinal: I've got 5x7 and 6x10 working on my Pre, but that's by checking out an older version of the tree. At least as of last night, head was segfaulting for me. Aug 06 04:05:37 nice, there's even a page on it Aug 06 04:07:15 ark3qqq: did u take the latest term mojo section as well? Aug 06 04:07:53 Zuchmir2: Come to think of it, I may have forgotten to put that on the device. Wow, what a clever move on my part... Aug 06 04:08:55 Zuchmir2: It looks like some of the Mojo stuff is changing rapidly (again, as of yesterday). I'm not sure how I should integrate 5x7 and 6x10 into what's already there. On my Pre, I have them set up as small and normal, respectively. Aug 06 04:08:57 ... it's not supposed to segfault even w/the wrong mojo, ... was it a segfault, or white-screen? Aug 06 04:09:00 tyler_wylie: what kernel version? Aug 06 04:09:14 emrys: 2.6.29.6-217.2.3.fc11.i586 Aug 06 04:09:36 bother Aug 06 04:09:38 Zuchmir2: Luna died and restarted. There was a mini-core file (really just a gdb backtrace) that said segmentation violation. I might still have it somewhere. Aug 06 04:09:48 it's finding the device in the usb bus it just can't manage to open the thing Aug 06 04:10:07 did u restart lunabefore starting terminal? Aug 06 04:10:20 Zuchmir2: Yes. Aug 06 04:10:30 ... ie if u ran terminal, then upgraded the plugin it's known to segfault Aug 06 04:10:46 Zuchmir2: I've been restarting Luna after each build. Otherwise weird stuff happens. Aug 06 04:11:01 Zuchmir2: Yeah, I noticed that, but that's not what I mean in this case. Aug 06 04:11:25 hmm, have you been looking at the log output? Aug 06 04:11:51 Zuchmir2: I haven't tried to debug it at all. I figured I'd wait a day and try again. I'm about to do that. Aug 06 04:12:27 Zuchmir2: In any case I was able to get a version of the code similar to the last release and that ran fine. Aug 06 04:12:27 Zuchmir2: Don't you guys tag when you release? Aug 06 04:12:44 ok, for lots of debug output, in common.h, make sure DEBUG_OUTPUT is defined Aug 06 04:12:58 Where would the output wind up? Aug 06 04:13:31 are u logged in via ssh or novaterm? Aug 06 04:13:58 ssh Aug 06 04:14:08 geist is the person who might have an idea on this? Aug 06 04:14:08 ssh over usbnet, in case that matters. Aug 06 04:14:43 initctl stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr Aug 06 04:14:52 and u will see it in that console Aug 06 04:15:04 Ah, that makes sense. Aug 06 04:15:20 u can redirect the outpt to file if u want Aug 06 04:15:27 I have screen. I'm good. :) Aug 06 04:15:33 ... for pastebin Aug 06 04:16:29 Anyhow, is there a vision for how more than two font choices ought to work in the near term? Aug 06 04:16:46 but for logs to be helpfull, please make sure to compile with DEBUG_OUTPUT Aug 06 04:17:18 u can manually change it (in mojo), but i'm not sure where Aug 06 04:17:42 the mojo keeps changing back and forth, that i can't keep track of where the mods should be Aug 06 04:17:55 Who else is working on this stuff? Aug 06 04:18:44 mrvc, and PuffTheMagic Aug 06 04:19:10 pong Aug 06 04:20:37 PuffTheMagic: any ideas how to get the font/color choice back into mojo? Aug 06 04:21:19 We'll have 4x6, 5x7, and 6x10 for sure, and maybe that ugly 8x8 as well, as possible font choices. Aug 06 04:22:01 ark3qqq: u have 5x7 and 6x10 font? Aug 06 04:22:27 Speaking of which... So I can git add the two xpms then git commit them? And then what, git push? Aug 06 04:22:32 * ark3qqq doesn't know git too well... Aug 06 04:22:48 do u have git push access? Aug 06 04:22:50 Zuchmir2: Err, yes. They're both very nice. Aug 06 04:22:59 Zuchmir2: How do I tell? Aug 06 04:23:35 ... someone has to give write access, ask destinal for write access Aug 06 04:24:06 Do I have the steps right? I'll just try it and see, as long as the steps I said make sense. Aug 06 04:24:58 pull, commit, push Aug 06 04:25:59 Okay, that seems to have worked. Aug 06 04:27:09 ok, i see them, ... pulling... Aug 06 04:27:34 To try 'em out, just hack fontinfo.cpp. They're shiny. Aug 06 04:31:00 oh yay nice work converting the fonts Aug 06 04:31:11 Thanks. Aug 06 04:31:42 ... i'm adding them now to fontinfo.cpp Aug 06 04:35:12 :) Aug 06 04:36:14 destinal: release tags? Aug 06 04:37:53 ark3qqq: we release by updating the preware makefile in the preware.git repository. unfortunately we can't tag at the moment because we're lumped in with all this other junk Aug 06 04:38:15 we need to break out terminal into its own repository I think Aug 06 04:39:02 Why not tag anyway? What harm is there to the other junk? Aug 06 04:41:45 ark3qqq: well.. uh.. Aug 06 04:41:47 hmm Aug 06 04:42:08 that would tag the entire repo terminal-0.1.7 for instance? Aug 06 04:42:17 I guess it doesn't hurt anything technically Aug 06 04:42:55 As a temporary measure... Or otherwise at least note down the revision of the release, so it can be reconstructed. Aug 06 04:43:17 Is it difficult to move terminal to another repository? Again, my git newb-ishness here is hurting me. Aug 06 04:43:24 just pushed the mod Aug 06 04:43:48 I'm not a git expert but it's not something I feel like digging into tonight -- maybe weekend Aug 06 04:44:51 Perhaps recording the revision number when you do a release is the way to go for now. Where you planning to do a release in the next couple of days? Aug 06 04:45:02 (weekend === predevcamp for me) Aug 06 04:49:06 Ack... I need to run. I'll be back later. Aug 06 05:10:19 Zuchmir2: yeah if we use a new stage for the prefs instead of pushing a new scene the terminal wont get reset Aug 06 05:10:31 so we can update the prefs and then force a redraw Aug 06 05:35:46 Hey im having a problem installing the add-del launcher pages .patch Aug 06 05:36:13 PuffTheMagic: ok, or at least let "new" terminals have the prefs Aug 06 05:37:10 well i think we can update the existing terms Aug 06 05:37:11 http://webos.pastebin.com/d5346dc5b Aug 06 05:37:20 Could someone please help. Aug 06 05:37:20 as long as the prefs are in a central place they can all access Aug 06 05:37:29 i already added the forceRedraw function Aug 06 05:40:04 please somebody i cant figure this out b/c the wiki says its 1.1 compatible Aug 06 05:41:25 also..the landscape email works for me although im in 1.1 Aug 06 05:42:28 nvrmind but i still need help with add/del pages Aug 06 05:44:10 somebody Aug 06 05:47:24 PuffTheMagic: ok, i guess someone w/mojo skill should try to figure that out Aug 06 05:47:50 Zuchmir2: i started trying to get db working Aug 06 05:47:53 using depot Aug 06 05:47:55 but its not Aug 06 05:48:00 i might just use direct databse calls Aug 06 05:48:12 first we need get db working Aug 06 05:48:20 then we can get a prefs model working Aug 06 05:48:31 then we can make each term listen to the model Aug 06 05:48:31 ok Aug 06 05:48:35 and udpate when the model is changed Aug 06 05:49:00 sounds good to me Aug 06 05:52:25 :qw is save in vi? Aug 06 05:52:42 :wq Aug 06 05:52:51 thanks Aug 06 05:52:51 :w = w, :q = quit Aug 06 05:53:44 What does CTRL+Z do in putty? Aug 06 05:55:33 dunno, but usualy that paused the active program Aug 06 05:55:49 ctrl-z in a shell suspends the current job Aug 06 05:55:57 Welp it didnt save my vi session thats for sure Aug 06 05:56:09 destinal:hey Aug 06 05:56:15 imop45: you can run "fg" Aug 06 05:56:17 to return Aug 06 05:56:42 well i messed up and am so used to ctrl z to undo Aug 06 05:56:57 ameng: heya Aug 06 05:57:18 imop45: yeah, just type fg and hit enter at a shell prompt and it will unsuspend Aug 06 05:57:51 Well putty didnt freeze up. basically did ctrl+c Aug 06 05:57:58 not really Aug 06 05:58:03 it looks like it but it didnt Aug 06 05:58:15 it is still running in the "background" where you can't see it Aug 06 05:58:23 anyone around who understands the novacom protocol? Aug 06 05:58:35 destinal: I figured out some idea to make the your NPPlugin as a backend to directfb. Now I am writting some concept code. if you konw someone doing the same thing, let me know Aug 06 05:58:36 run "jobs" to list your jobs and you'll see it Aug 06 05:58:52 ameng: that's been on my list for a while and I have been otherwise occupied Aug 06 05:59:00 ameng: I'd love to work with you on it Aug 06 06:00:03 ameng: u mean exposing drawing primitives as api to mojo? Aug 06 06:01:58 Just like that directfb runing on a pixbuf with all graphics operation fallback to software no hw acceleration Aug 06 06:02:44 If we have dfb worked, then gtk progs can run on luma Aug 06 06:03:19 ameng: the biggest thing is we need to keep the directfb program loosely coupled with the plugin Aug 06 06:03:24 call the plugin an "adapter" :) Aug 06 06:03:33 destinal: yeah Aug 06 06:04:16 kind of how classic starts up and runs its PalmClassic binary and handles communication between the browser and the other process Aug 06 06:04:16 does anyone know about the quilt packages? Aug 06 06:04:46 i know little about how classic works Aug 06 06:04:49 palm calls all its plugins "adapters" with the concept of just wrapping something to make it fit the browser Aug 06 06:05:01 which I think makes a lot of sense Aug 06 06:05:11 we don't want to shove huge programs into Luna as a general rule Aug 06 06:06:18 and the program itself doesn't need to understand how a browser works, just update a second screen buffer, parts of which get blitted in on draw requests Aug 06 06:06:28 by the adapter Aug 06 06:07:04 ooh all the plugin has to do is update a screen buffer? that's cool Aug 06 06:07:11 i suppose i should actually read the source :) Aug 06 06:07:13 good idea, but a little difficult Aug 06 06:07:49 epv: yeah, check out basicplugin first, then termplugin, if you're interested Aug 06 06:08:31 ameng: couldn't we map shared memory? Aug 06 06:08:46 the adapter plugin would never write there, only read Aug 06 06:09:37 destinal: dfb uses shared memory, we just need to write a new dfb system module Aug 06 06:11:35 ameng: does dfb support RGBA screen buffers already? Aug 06 06:11:36 the dfb system module have a screen and input devices abstracted from the plugin Aug 06 06:11:45 or do we need to write that Aug 06 06:11:59 destinal: yeah, all kinds of pixformats Aug 06 06:12:15 ameng: sounds very promising Aug 06 06:12:27 looks like it has blitting functions also Aug 06 06:12:53 our current for loop idea is a bit too unaccelerated for my tastes :) Aug 06 06:13:15 yeah ,it has all software graphic operation fallback if there is no hw accer Aug 06 06:32:28 is there a way to comile an plugin against an lib*.a, and all symbols needed from lib*.a to be in the .so plugin? Aug 06 06:33:55 hey got an idea for the bootloader splash. Aug 06 06:34:24 bootupscreen splash* the matrix verticle numbers and palm Aug 06 06:37:28 hey does rsync backup everything even your patches and your launcher pages setup on onto a new pre? Aug 06 06:42:35 Zuchmir2: so static link a shared lib into another shared lib? Aug 06 06:42:37 yeah u can do that Aug 06 06:42:46 err Aug 06 06:43:02 static link a static archive into a shared lib Aug 06 06:43:06 yeah you can do that Aug 06 06:44:56 i would think so, i think i found what the error i was haviing... Aug 06 06:47:36 ... the library i was compiling against didn't have that function in it (it was built w/o it) Aug 06 06:47:46 heh Aug 06 07:31:31 Everyone type /msg Mila Happybirthday < Cause it's her B-DAy Aug 06 07:32:30 She changed her name /msg Mila|MAway Happybirthday Aug 06 11:07:09 good morning everyone Aug 06 11:50:46 good morning everyone Aug 06 11:52:50 anyone got some ideas on how to disable data/ Aug 06 12:26:19 wtf i no longer have reboot on my device :( Aug 06 12:26:22 where did that go? Aug 06 12:28:19 had to webos dr it so guessing reboot was part of bash or something Aug 06 12:35:31 filecoaster is very sick Aug 06 12:48:00 anyone from the Boston area? I just signed up to be the community organizer....... need help... Aug 06 12:48:04 nebula, you wouldn't by chance be the organizer Aug 06 12:48:12 PreDevCamp Aug 06 12:48:12 nebula, nice PM me :) Aug 06 12:48:32 was just whoising your host :) noticed you were from Cambridge Aug 06 13:44:46 hello... i've got a really stupid question Aug 06 13:45:23 i forgot the root password :'( and am trying to reload the OS using webOS doctor, but it isn't being recognized as attached Aug 06 13:46:48 have you got access to novaterm ? Aug 06 13:48:09 yes, i use putty Aug 06 13:48:46 i'm actually trying the second process here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Aug 06 13:48:59 bpadalino: do you know a way to reset the root password :) Aug 06 13:50:35 branded, novaterm runs as root already .. Aug 06 13:50:45 so you will get a root shell using that directly Aug 06 13:50:49 you can then passwd at the prompt Aug 06 13:50:54 and change your root password Aug 06 13:51:09 but that will not change the fact that webos doctor doesn't see your pre Aug 06 14:02:25 branded, turn off the device Aug 06 14:02:32 hold the volume up button and turn it back on Aug 06 14:02:41 make sure it is connected via usb during that processs Aug 06 14:02:50 you will see a big USB logo and it will recognize it Aug 06 14:02:59 well, it's silly to webdr it just to reset the root password Aug 06 14:03:04 but you can do what you want Aug 06 14:03:07 yes it is Aug 06 14:03:14 i would just use novaterm and reset the password Aug 06 14:03:18 indeed Aug 06 14:03:38 holy crap Aug 06 14:03:46 organizing keeps one busy Aug 06 14:05:12 Can someone help me figure out how to get the Multiple Launcher Pages patch working? I tried the patch process listed at webos-internals.org and it didnt work :( Aug 06 14:06:14 jcrawford: yes, it works! hah... i'm a idiot... who forgets the root password! :( Aug 06 14:08:24 lol Aug 06 14:08:38 nebula, yea which is why I could not take it on Aug 06 14:08:42 too busy with work as it is Aug 06 14:08:43 is nt it blaknk Aug 06 14:08:50 morning blau-mikeDG Aug 06 14:09:48 Can anyone help me figure out why my quilt patches won't take effect? Aug 06 14:10:39 morning Aug 06 14:13:50 please..? Aug 06 14:27:02 creo, what's happening ? Aug 06 14:28:22 Ok so Aug 06 14:28:31 when I run quilt, after importing the patches to the list, Aug 06 14:28:56 I get an error for each of the patches it tries to apply Aug 06 14:29:16 so it sounds like maybe it hasn't been updated for 1.1 yet ? Aug 06 14:29:31 whats the Mojo.Menu command for preferences? Aug 06 14:29:41 I've added "enable-dev-mode-icon", "enable-landscape-email", and "add-delete-pages-in-the-launcher" Aug 06 14:29:45 Yes, it has been updated Aug 06 14:29:46 nm prefsCmd Aug 06 14:29:51 oh, interesting Aug 06 14:30:02 so whats the error? paste online ? Aug 06 14:30:47 Well, now the error for enable-dev-mode-icon is different, because I made the change manually Aug 06 14:30:51 but it still won't get to the other ones Aug 06 14:31:18 I've tried removing the patch, but nothing I do seems to have an effect -- i've tried "quilt delete [the patch path]" and Aug 06 14:31:34 "quilt pop [the path to the patch]" Aug 06 14:31:53 it still lists enable dev mode icon in "quilt series" Aug 06 14:32:01 and it won't even try the others Aug 06 14:32:06 but when it DID try the others, Aug 06 14:32:55 it gave me an error saying something about appinfo.json Aug 06 14:33:39 I tried "refresh"ing Aug 06 14:34:20 but it says there's nothing in the patch; now when i try to push, it says it needs to be refreshed :( Aug 06 14:35:07 So.. I can't refresh it, can't remove it, can't do anything Aug 06 14:35:20 and it won't let me push anything else Aug 06 14:35:42 hey all, been messing around a bit with video recording at the command line with some success Aug 06 14:36:07 looking to take it a bit further, but im a bit lacking in knowledge Aug 06 14:38:05 Hey I'm Sarah in the forums. I can't help out much (unless of course you need a beta tester). Just wanted to say good job so far. Aug 06 14:38:43 thanks - i was just laying in bed last night and decided i couldnt sleep so I'd start digging haha Aug 06 14:38:50 cp: hah Aug 06 14:39:05 :-) Aug 06 14:40:38 Sarah! Thanks for hanging around. Aug 06 14:41:03 lunareclipse: -- nice pun -- luna = mojo eclipse = the editor .. works ..... ! Aug 06 14:41:57 lol, thanks Rick. You guys won't believe it but that's been my alias for years. Aug 06 14:43:30 anyway here is my post detailing what i've been playing around with so far Aug 06 14:43:49 maybe those of you with access to the wiki could find a location to put anything of actual value up there Aug 06 14:43:52 http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=1808081&posted=1#post1807640 Aug 06 14:44:56 cpcrook: why not post it yourself please pretty please Aug 06 14:45:02 instead of us messing it up. Aug 06 14:46:02 Just go to research results Aug 06 14:46:26 hahaha well to be honest I absolutely hate the wiki editing interface (i was also under the impression it was restricted access at one point) Aug 06 14:46:30 or webos apps and edit it and add a tag [[Video Recording]] Aug 06 14:46:40 and click on it, and paste your stuff in Aug 06 14:46:45 we will format it for you Aug 06 14:46:48 So I guess no one has any idea about Quilt Aug 06 14:46:57 and no, wide open. Requires registration, but that's all. Aug 06 14:46:57 ok well thanks anyway Aug 06 14:47:06 CreoBrian: sorry. Aug 06 14:47:08 cool cool - ill go take care of that now then Aug 06 14:47:09 no idea at all Aug 06 14:47:11 thanks Aug 06 14:47:14 we'll clean it up. Aug 06 14:47:19 just dump your info in Aug 06 14:47:36 the advantage of a wiki page is that it doesn't fall off into the back pages of a forum Aug 06 14:47:40 it stays "findable." Aug 06 14:51:16 w00t Aug 06 14:51:22 PreDevCamp Boston 2009 is a go! Aug 06 14:51:56 boston public library mezzanine conference room, saturday august 8th from 9AM to 4:30PM! Aug 06 14:53:47 yep, awesome Aug 06 14:54:29 thats like a few minutes from where i work Aug 06 14:57:11 Cpcrook wiki * r3892 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/VideoRecording - New page: At your rooted command line: (make sure FS is rw) mount -o remount,rw / gst-launch camsrc ! palmvideoencoder ! filesink location=/media/internal/downloads/foo.mp4 mount -o remount,ro / -... Aug 06 14:57:49 time for me to grab a shower and more coffee before continuing to plug away at this... Aug 06 14:59:19 anyone figure out a way to disable data Aug 06 14:59:28 without setting to roam only and not data roam Aug 06 15:00:15 you could probably run some pppdown script Aug 06 15:00:23 but i have no idea Aug 06 15:18:51 what a video recorder for the pre? Aug 06 15:19:03 gkatsev, are you going to preDev? Aug 06 15:19:11 I want to, just need to try to iron out the baby sitter etc. Aug 06 15:20:40 jcrawford: i am Aug 06 15:26:16 in terminal how do i get > to print Aug 06 15:27:21 > is a file redirect Aug 06 15:27:24 egaudet|Away: I'm afraid that many extended characters not on the pre's physical keypad are not yet implemented :( Aug 06 15:27:59 we need a symbol popup as one of the next features Aug 06 15:28:54 jcrawford: I've found a way to do primitive video-only recording from the command line Aug 06 15:28:56 anyway you can think of to write to a sysfs attribute without redirect? Aug 06 15:28:57 no sound, no gui Aug 06 15:29:23 cpcrook, that is awesome Aug 06 15:29:29 cpcrook, nice work, cannot wait till we see some UI for this :D Aug 06 15:29:41 i was bummed there was no video recording or voice dialing in the pre Aug 06 15:30:48 yeah I figured with gstreamer it had to be possible without TOO much work Aug 06 15:30:55 theres some info on the wiki write now Aug 06 15:31:03 cpcrook: is the camera capable of full motion video? Aug 06 15:31:05 im looking at taking the camera preview source and using that Aug 06 15:31:16 yeah the camera will do 30fps at lower res Aug 06 15:31:22 its spec'd for 20fps @ full res Aug 06 15:31:30 which is pretty ridiculous Aug 06 15:31:48 cpcrook: Awesome. Just tried it out. It appears though that because it's in H.264 format, the file extension should be .mts os similar Aug 06 15:31:55 ahhh Aug 06 15:32:20 feel free to update the wiki to reflect that - VLC player will play it regardless of file extension for me Aug 06 15:32:41 Signing up Aug 06 15:32:58 quite honestly, im more interested in using theh UDPsink in gstreamer to remotely stream video to another PC/pre Aug 06 15:33:19 but im sure that will come in time ;) Aug 06 15:35:50 cpcrook: heh, then we would just need a driver on the PC to use the stream as if it were a local webcam Aug 06 15:35:50 :) Aug 06 15:36:47 that could come in handy -- I wouldn't have to buy one :) Aug 06 15:40:13 cpcrook: can gstream mux in audio as well by any chance? Aug 06 15:40:50 gstream is capable of muxing audio although I'm fairly sure the only muxer thats comes on the pre is for AVI Aug 06 15:41:03 but theres no AVI encoder so I'm not sure where that leaves us Aug 06 15:41:49 cpcrook: just a matter of compiling the right gstreamer plugins? Aug 06 15:42:27 perhaps - im really far from an expert on any of this haha Aug 06 15:42:41 but yes, it seems that way Aug 06 15:42:46 guess it's yet another technology my pre wants me to learn :) Aug 06 15:48:10 cpcrook: nice find Aug 06 15:50:55 thx Aug 06 16:05:05 hmm Aug 06 16:26:27 stupid cookies are failling me :( Aug 06 16:27:03 drink some milk Aug 06 16:27:07 use less chocolate chips Aug 06 16:28:56 :( Aug 06 16:30:24 im setting the cookie and then reading it back immediately and its fine Aug 06 16:30:27 but then its not Aug 06 16:30:41 whnen i read it back later Aug 06 16:41:01 was someone in here bitching about togglebutton recently Aug 06 16:42:29 cpcrook, if you get that remote viewing working it could be a good way to find your phone when stolen :) Aug 06 16:42:45 urg Aug 06 16:43:00 I was thinking of writing an app that would track your phone for you if it was stolen by having the hidden installed app update a website with the lat/lon coords Aug 06 16:43:14 then you could login and see where your phone was located, where it has been going etc. Aug 06 16:43:30 but thought maybe too many people would not like the idea of it tracking them as well lol Aug 06 16:43:49 2 stupid issues and im too sleep y to figure them out Aug 06 16:43:54 so there would have to be a way for the site to push to the phone and start tracking when you told the website to start tracking it Aug 06 16:44:08 anyone around who understands the novacom protocol? Aug 06 16:50:00 emrys: Yeah. It has two messages: 1) crash, and 2) spin the CPU. :-) Aug 06 16:52:24 heh Aug 06 16:52:47 mine isn't able to connect with my pre when it's on usb and I'm not sure what to make of what strace is showing me Aug 06 16:58:56 ok i think maybe the cookies on my device got screwed up Aug 06 16:59:05 i uninstalled this app and im still getting the same damn cookie values Aug 06 16:59:06 grrrr Aug 06 16:59:26 where r cookies kept Aug 06 17:00:26 found it Aug 06 17:00:48 grrr wtf it happened again i dont understand Aug 06 17:04:59 ugh think i found it doh Aug 06 17:16:34 something overwriting it? Aug 06 17:32:30 i had a cookie.put in the deactivate method of this scene Aug 06 17:32:34 howdy everyone Aug 06 17:33:38 hi Aug 06 17:35:53 I'm trying to figure out if there is an accepted way of using a luna plugin / browser plugin similar to how terminal / classic work Aug 06 17:36:18 in that, I would like to be able to write a game engine using scala for the pre Aug 06 17:36:46 but I don't want to spend a bunch of time doing this if I can't submit it to the app catalog Aug 06 17:38:27 app catalog most likely won't accept your modification .. but you can do the work, then try to contact palm and see if you can get it included ? Aug 06 17:38:42 obviously they are not averse to adding plugins for limited developers Aug 06 17:39:04 hmm Aug 06 17:39:22 safe to say I should certainly ask first before I do the work ;) Aug 06 17:40:02 well, let me not be the guy in here asking how to plug a into b, when using x might work better Aug 06 17:40:06 though i am sure it would be popular amongst homebrewers - so probably have a life with that Aug 06 17:40:09 just make it and charge people to test it under the guise of donations Aug 06 17:41:11 my goal is to write an engine that will make building a civ / anno game trivial Aug 06 17:42:28 while I could make it 'work' in js, and using the canvas Aug 06 17:43:06 I feel the end result would be less elegant, and more work to do less Aug 06 17:43:16 not to mention a waste of cpu cycles Aug 06 17:43:17 did anyone look at how the calendar updates its icon Aug 06 17:43:25 im looking for a quick explanation without having to look myself Aug 06 17:43:29 blau, it has an image for each day Aug 06 17:43:30 bzhou * r10534 optware/trunk/make/webalizer.mk - webalizer: 2.20-1 -> 2.21-02 Aug 06 17:43:33 and chooses the icon based on the day Aug 06 17:44:20 how does it tell thelauncher to change the icon though, is it physically updating appinfo.json? Aug 06 17:44:25 is there a way to update appinfo.json? Aug 06 17:45:02 blau-mikeDG, I bet it replaces the icon image Aug 06 17:45:40 there is a call to change the icon image Aug 06 17:45:44 and luna just changes it Aug 06 17:45:55 it creates a string based on the date and says "use this" Aug 06 17:46:02 something like setIcon or something Aug 06 17:46:18 updatelaunchpointicon Aug 06 17:46:19 thanks Aug 06 17:46:36 in com.palm.applicationManager Aug 06 17:46:58 Was going to pastebin the code from the calendar app, but then thought that might be shady :) Aug 06 17:47:31 my girlfriends calendar date icon is almost always a day off Aug 06 17:47:40 speaking of the calendar app... did someone forget to put the 'add participants' button? Aug 06 17:47:42 the update is a little weird Aug 06 17:48:14 theres no easy way to get a list of all service methods right? Aug 06 17:48:14 bzhou * r10535 optware/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs) - cdrtools: added config.cache for mipsel and powerpc Aug 06 17:48:44 not to date Aug 06 17:48:49 blau-mikeDG: does dbus introspection give you all methods, or only namespaces? Aug 06 17:49:24 most all of the dbus services don't implement the introspection stuff Aug 06 17:49:27 so you get null sets back Aug 06 17:49:50 you could always look at the libraries though Aug 06 17:50:02 so we're left with reversing? Aug 06 17:50:18 since they're c++, they maintain their object types in the symbol names Aug 06 17:50:37 bpadalino|work: which ones? only a few services are c++ Aug 06 17:50:41 I think Aug 06 17:50:47 most are java Aug 06 17:51:49 so it's not hard to decompile them with jd-gui Aug 06 17:52:07 most are java - but some of them (bluetooth?) are C programs Aug 06 17:52:11 and luna itself has some stuff on the dbus Aug 06 17:52:18 s/itself/herself ? Aug 06 17:53:02 lol Aug 06 17:53:04 you can also just sniff dbus if you have something that uses the functions Aug 06 17:53:29 you won't find unused ones that way though of course Aug 06 17:53:34 right Aug 06 18:00:19 bzhou * r10536 optware/trunk/sources/cdrtools/i686-config.cache - cdrtools: added i686-config.cache Aug 06 18:03:34 anyone know if it is possible to enter a pipe symbol '|' into the current version of the terminal program? Aug 06 18:05:18 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal#Operating_notes Aug 06 18:05:41 aha thank you Aug 06 18:05:46 you're welcome Aug 06 18:07:34 anyone know how to free up the videosink after using the camera? Aug 06 18:07:53 it seems like it queues up a bunch of backlogged commands if you simply kill gstream... Aug 06 18:08:15 trying to package up a webos app that will let you flip a switch to record video like the flashlight app... Aug 06 18:08:42 what format is the video stored as ? Aug 06 18:09:13 does it record sound too? Aug 06 18:09:15 h.264 encoded Aug 06 18:09:20 working on muxing the sound in... Aug 06 18:09:25 currently its silent Aug 06 18:09:28 wow, interesting Aug 06 18:09:29 i see Aug 06 18:09:29 but high framerate Aug 06 18:09:33 just like that, huh ? Aug 06 18:09:34 nice :) Aug 06 18:09:47 no gui yet either Aug 06 18:09:47 i can betatest it for ya Aug 06 18:09:53 it aint much so far Aug 06 18:10:01 cpcrook: u r the one who wrote the wiki page? Aug 06 18:10:14 i'm gunna work one getting the same video preview element as the camera app incorporated too Aug 06 18:10:19 yeah Aug 06 18:10:54 video recorder app would definitely be nice .. especially with auto-upload to youtube/vimeo/etc Aug 06 18:11:20 hahaha well id like to get it working consistently first, then think about cool features like that Aug 06 18:11:29 of course Aug 06 18:11:32 but anyone who has experience with gstreamer Aug 06 18:11:36 or v4l2 Aug 06 18:11:48 never touched it Aug 06 18:11:55 hell, even with the mojo framework (i know very little) Aug 06 18:11:59 i only used gstreamer for audio Aug 06 18:12:10 i'm useless :( Aug 06 18:51:49 hmmm i really need to figure out how to reset the camera discretely... Aug 06 18:55:56 cpcrook, but we can demo home brew video recording at PDC !! Aug 06 18:56:00 Wow, that's so cool Aug 06 18:56:29 I'm starting my first project... and I've generated a project with palm-generate... Aug 06 18:56:44 How do I import this directory structure for viewing in Eclipse package explorer? Aug 06 18:57:48 bueller.... bueller... Aug 06 18:59:03 anyone... anyone... Aug 06 19:00:54 hey, there's this app in precentral that lets you manually set the LED brightness on the keyboard Aug 06 19:01:05 how did they do that, i thought the sdk doesnt support it Aug 06 19:01:59 you should be able to look at the source of the program? Aug 06 19:02:09 the guy has it as closed sourced Aug 06 19:02:23 ahh... tricky tricky... Aug 06 19:02:32 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/brightness-unlinked Aug 06 19:02:37 i'm new to deving on here (and deving jscript in general) Aug 06 19:02:45 wait.. Aug 06 19:02:46 oh Aug 06 19:02:54 yea, but doesn't javascript exist on the phone as not compiled? Aug 06 19:03:05 can't you just look at the code in the directory structure? Aug 06 19:04:09 how would i unpack the .ipk files? Aug 06 19:04:21 install it, and look at the structure on your phone Aug 06 19:04:37 over SSH (using WinSCP) or vi Aug 06 19:05:00 how would i look at the code after installing it? Aug 06 19:05:11 find the program files on the phone Aug 06 19:05:16 i don't know where they are :) Aug 06 19:05:22 like i said, i just started deving Aug 06 19:05:33 are you familiar with linux? Aug 06 19:05:39 i wish i was Aug 06 19:05:39 hah Aug 06 19:05:40 look up the find command Aug 06 19:05:48 did you "root" your pre? Aug 06 19:05:52 no Aug 06 19:05:54 you're a dev? Aug 06 19:05:58 i am mostly doing webos sdk Aug 06 19:06:06 javascript? Aug 06 19:06:09 yes Aug 06 19:06:36 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started Aug 06 19:06:41 check out "option 2" Aug 06 19:07:14 yea i've read through that Aug 06 19:07:19 did you do it? Aug 06 19:07:21 no Aug 06 19:07:27 cause i dont know enough linux for it to be useful Aug 06 19:07:43 what to be useful? Aug 06 19:07:49 to do something Aug 06 19:07:49 lol Aug 06 19:07:50 i mean, useful how? Aug 06 19:07:52 :) Aug 06 19:07:56 to do what? Aug 06 19:08:13 to "...look at the code after installing it?" Aug 06 19:08:16 :D Aug 06 19:08:18 well one thing would be to have more hardware access for javascript programs i make Aug 06 19:08:46 i should backup my contacts first tho :P Aug 06 19:08:57 you don't sync with google? Aug 06 19:09:09 it's a mess if i sync with google Aug 06 19:09:13 i think your contacts are backed up via your palm profile? Aug 06 19:09:18 cause my gmail account has onts of contacts that i dont want in my phone Aug 06 19:09:29 yea, i wish they looked into that Aug 06 19:10:22 i just "formatted" and flashed the phone Aug 06 19:10:27 using webosdoctor from palm Aug 06 19:10:33 because I forgot the root password I set Aug 06 19:10:34 Rick, where/when is PDC this year? Aug 06 19:10:52 primary domain controller? that's so 1998 Aug 06 19:11:03 branded: you could have just used a novaterm Aug 06 19:11:12 when you use webosdoctor you get back your backup right? Aug 06 19:11:18 oh, yea i didn't realize this Aug 06 19:11:32 until today, when i used novaterm Aug 06 19:11:37 cpcrook palm dev camp is in 40+ cities around the world this saterday Aug 06 19:11:39 it doesn't prompt you for root, right? Aug 06 19:11:43 right Aug 06 19:11:50 oh well... it was "fun" anyway Aug 06 19:11:52 well damn. Aug 06 19:11:58 where does it backup to? Aug 06 19:12:10 the magical cloud of the internets Aug 06 19:12:15 oh Aug 06 19:12:18 have you not been ready ANY of the palm web sites? Aug 06 19:12:20 i thought it's just another part of the phone Aug 06 19:12:27 it's already happening, and you don't even know it Aug 06 19:12:30 i mean i occasionally glance at the actual news on them Aug 06 19:12:32 i didnt read ANY of that part on the palm website Aug 06 19:12:37 :P Aug 06 19:12:51 go to the backup app Aug 06 19:12:58 yea i have it turned on Aug 06 19:13:08 but i dont recall exactly where it backs up to Aug 06 19:13:19 i think palm servers Aug 06 19:13:23 oh Aug 06 19:13:25 maybe one of these fine gents knows Aug 06 19:13:47 yeah, palm's synergy cloud syncing thing Aug 06 19:14:51 bah Aug 06 19:15:00 so destinal... can i import a directory structure that i generated with palm-generate into eclipse or kimodo? Aug 06 19:15:04 too bad the phone doesnt support any other noiseless formats Aug 06 19:15:09 other than wav Aug 06 19:15:26 noiseless? Aug 06 19:15:30 audio Aug 06 19:15:49 it plays mp3s also? Aug 06 19:16:02 mp3 isnt noiseless so Aug 06 19:16:09 i need the phone to output certain waveforms Aug 06 19:16:39 branded: yeah you can. for eclipse you probably want to get the eclipse plugin, make a new webos app project, then go into the directory it creates and delete everything there by hand, then copy in your existing project, then refresh in eclipse Aug 06 19:16:52 for Komodo, it's probably easier, but I haven't tried it Aug 06 19:16:56 destinal: thanks! Aug 06 19:17:01 you use eclipse? Aug 06 19:17:08 branded: yup Aug 06 19:17:10 Hyperian: interesting Aug 06 19:17:12 you can do the same with komodo Aug 06 19:17:15 same thing Aug 06 19:17:15 Branded for komodo it's dead easy. Aug 06 19:17:23 create an empty project in komodo Aug 06 19:17:35 copy the app files into the BIN directory below the project. Aug 06 19:17:38 open the project. Aug 06 19:17:39 done. Aug 06 19:18:02 use Templarian's toolkit to create the empty palm project first. Aug 06 19:18:04 so pretty much the same really Aug 06 19:18:10 not the file/new from the menu.... Aug 06 19:18:16 except eclipse needing a refresh Aug 06 19:18:36 pretty much the same yep. Aug 06 19:18:44 why use komodo over eclipse or viceverse? Aug 06 19:19:05 branded: code completion and ease of use. Aug 06 19:19:07 branded: they are better in different areas at the moment Aug 06 19:19:22 so, which is better in where :D Aug 06 19:19:23 (in a week komodo will be better in every area) Aug 06 19:19:27 Komodo has mojo code completion. Aug 06 19:19:42 Komodo has package to theemulator, package to the palm, inspect to the emulator Aug 06 19:19:52 what do you mean by "code completion?" Aug 06 19:19:59 Auto Complete. Aug 06 19:20:05 ahh... of classes? Aug 06 19:20:06 and in a little bit, komodo will have interactive gui debugging..... Aug 06 19:20:19 eclipse has a lot of built in and plugin support for git, svn, cvs, etc version management Aug 06 19:20:19 branded, there ARE NO CLASSES in javascript. Aug 06 19:20:19 wuzzut?! Aug 06 19:20:19 kick ass Aug 06 19:20:36 there are objects and there are functions, which are objects. Aug 06 19:20:40 there are no classes. Aug 06 19:20:42 I'm a c# and vb dev... visual studio IDE :) auto-complete sounds good Aug 06 19:20:50 objects inherit directly from other objects. Aug 06 19:20:50 "classes" or what not Aug 06 19:21:14 for Komodo right now you could just do your imports, commits, pushes, etc from the command line or with a seperate tool at the filesystem level Aug 06 19:21:16 if you're used to VS IDE you will like the komodo auto complete Aug 06 19:21:39 i'm not interested in revision mgmt Aug 06 19:21:43 right now :) Aug 06 19:21:49 just little ol' me, chillin Aug 06 19:21:54 I just made a macro that went to the command line and did git add . git commit git push Aug 06 19:21:56 support for mercurial? Aug 06 19:22:09 branded, vcs is important even for one man projects. Aug 06 19:22:12 branded: even with just you, a versioning system can help a lot, I know plenty of devs that use a local git repo for instance Aug 06 19:22:18 nodnod Aug 06 19:22:32 unless you NEVER make a mistake you need to roll back. Aug 06 19:22:37 anyone make an IRC client for the Pre yet? Aug 06 19:22:42 not yet. Aug 06 19:22:50 i know you can get bitchx via optware modules, but nothing webos based Aug 06 19:23:03 that'd be awful nice haha Aug 06 19:23:04 cpcrook: also irssi via optware Aug 06 19:23:09 yep and access it through terminal Aug 06 19:23:11 oh god Aug 06 19:23:13 irc on pre Aug 06 19:23:17 i would never get anything done Aug 06 19:23:47 the pre just uses pidgin, so pidgin's IRC module should theoretically work Aug 06 19:23:47 my project idea is to just write something to query PalmDatabase.db3 for contents of mail and text messages Aug 06 19:23:47 someone already made the comic strip app Aug 06 19:23:53 no one has done this yet? Aug 06 19:24:00 but we can't build new versions of their dbus to libpurple wrapper Aug 06 19:24:07 if you installed bitchx and wrote a tiny tiny service you could pass commands to it, and get the replies back and display them in a window. Aug 06 19:24:12 why didn't I think of that. Aug 06 19:24:25 Rick_: because it's ugly and ugly? Aug 06 19:24:26 any reason we couldn't add pidgeon's irc module? Aug 06 19:24:34 the bitchx thing I mean :) Aug 06 19:24:52 I ment pidgeon destinal Aug 06 19:24:53 duh Aug 06 19:24:53 Rick_: we could add pidgin's irc module, the problem is a service Aug 06 19:25:30 Rick_: they provide source code for their libpurple adapter in compliance with license (libpurple is GPL) but it's incomplete Aug 06 19:25:40 hmmm Aug 06 19:25:41 missing multiple headers and will not build Aug 06 19:25:54 I have complained to open source address and gotten nothing but silence for weeks Aug 06 19:26:23 :( Aug 06 19:26:28 $$, Aug 06 19:26:49 (it has been discussed before IRC for the pre takes a lot of power you would need push from a dedicated server for it to be worth it). Aug 06 19:27:23 (or update main log when user turns on phone). Aug 06 19:27:23 Templarian: I don't agree that would help Aug 06 19:27:30 if anyone is interested, the video recording app im developing needs a bit of help in terms of using existing camera control methods to kill the videosink properly Aug 06 19:27:47 if anyone wants to take a look, I'd start with the palminitmedia.js Aug 06 19:27:49 Templarian: yeah you wouldn't want to stay logged on all day, due to volume of messages] Aug 06 19:28:02 and also the camera app controllers Aug 06 19:28:24 im otherwise a noob at moible development so any number of other eyes will help :) Aug 06 19:29:19 destinal: it would work the same way the AIM app works turn it on your phone when you are on the go turn it off when you are on the computer. Aug 06 19:29:34 gotta run to dinner - later on Aug 06 19:32:11 i also have to run to dinner later on Aug 06 19:32:24 branded: :P Aug 06 19:32:41 so, i should use komodo? Aug 06 19:32:46 this is what i'm hearing? Aug 06 19:33:18 i'm interested in what you think of the idea of searching PalmDatabase.db3 Aug 06 19:33:20 ? Aug 06 19:33:22 branded: I'd say try komodo, try eclipse, choose what you like.. though thanks to Templarian komodo is looking better and better Aug 06 19:33:45 oh it's this dude... like Templarian right here making stuff? Aug 06 19:33:51 wow... that's cool Aug 06 19:34:51 destinal: can you add scenes to existing programs? for instance, could I add a scene to the Email app? Aug 06 19:35:10 branded: not in the eclipse plugin afaik Aug 06 19:35:16 you can modify palm's code, but you can't distribute it. Aug 06 19:35:23 Templarian: can you in Komodo? Aug 06 19:36:01 Rick_: sure, he'd want to distribute patches only, but he could certainly edit his copy in an IDE Aug 06 19:36:20 destinal: It has a add scene button. Aug 06 19:36:52 (it will ask you for a scene name and verify if it is legal and create it) Aug 06 19:37:04 cool Aug 06 19:37:25 i'm curious why they didn't include a "search the contents of email" function Aug 06 19:37:32 seems easy as hell and totally essential Aug 06 19:38:04 I hope they add it to the universal search one of these days. Aug 06 19:38:30 this is what i'm looking to dev actually Aug 06 19:38:36 it should be really easy, no? Aug 06 19:38:42 wow there's no carl's junior anywhere near my house Aug 06 19:38:47 just handling the outcome of sql queries? Aug 06 19:39:04 branded: I don't know, I didn't think all the contents of email were in a sqlite3 db Aug 06 19:39:12 just headers and such Aug 06 19:39:14 carl winslow Aug 06 19:39:16 ? Aug 06 19:39:26 it's a burger place Aug 06 19:39:37 i'm hungry Aug 06 19:39:51 ahh... and the messages are in the cloud? Aug 06 19:39:54 :( Aug 06 19:41:05 branded: no, on the device Aug 06 19:41:27 in files, though.. they may only be accessible to a service Aug 06 19:41:46 so I'm guessing not searchable without adding a service to do it, but please prove me wrong :) Aug 06 19:43:14 what are these services coded in? Aug 06 19:44:18 whatever you like Aug 06 19:44:18 Hyperian: in theory any language. the ones palm has used for theirs are c++ and java Aug 06 19:44:25 so far homebrew services are in java Aug 06 19:44:34 oooo c++ Aug 06 19:44:35 what about an irc client that would notify you when your name was used, start retrieving messages and sleep when not in use Aug 06 19:44:39 maybe i should code services Aug 06 19:44:46 i know c++ already Aug 06 19:44:55 bbl FOO Aug 06 19:44:56 D Aug 06 19:45:21 is there something similar to sysinternal's process monitor for linux? Aug 06 19:45:28 Hyperian: services and browser plugins (and as I've recently found, hidd plugins and probably a lot of other useful things we haven't found yet) can be done in native code Aug 06 19:45:33 that I can watch what the system is doing? Aug 06 19:45:49 top ? Aug 06 19:45:55 branded: watch it _how_ Aug 06 19:46:06 there are lots of different tools for watching different things Aug 06 19:46:08 file system access? Aug 06 19:46:13 :D Aug 06 19:46:23 branded: lsof (list open files) Aug 06 19:46:28 top is like task manager only, right? Aug 06 19:46:35 that will update dynamically (like top)? Aug 06 19:46:39 or you can run strace on a given program Aug 06 19:46:49 which watches the syscalls it makes Aug 06 19:47:13 strace looks cool Aug 06 19:47:13 hidd plugins? Aug 06 19:47:19 strace LunaSysMgr looks interesting Aug 06 19:47:49 tmzt: yup, it's how we'll get bluetooth keyboards and remote multitouch devices and who knows what else Aug 06 19:48:25 tmzt: hidd uses shared object plugins Aug 06 19:48:40 do you think it would be possible to wrap luna in such a way that Enter Exit VT would suspend the drawing? Aug 06 19:48:47 seems it would be hard Aug 06 19:49:48 tmzt: I haven't checked it out yet, I was more looking at hidd to add more input devices Aug 06 19:50:13 ok Aug 06 19:50:21 I don't know how the bluetooth works though Aug 06 19:50:36 the hidd is probably simple enough it could be replaced though Aug 06 19:50:36 it's how stuff comes in from the ambient light sensor, the proximity sensor, the keypad, the touchscreen, and other stuff Aug 06 19:50:45 the protocol I mean Aug 06 19:50:46 this isn't bluetooth Aug 06 19:50:50 I know Aug 06 19:51:00 I mean they don't use bluez so I'm not sure how it works Aug 06 19:51:07 they have a proprietary stack Aug 06 19:51:23 I was very suprised to learn that hidd was not bluetooth when the lockup problems started Aug 06 19:51:36 not lockup, but not input after killing hidd Aug 06 19:52:21 can i get file system access via usb? Aug 06 19:52:27 :) Aug 06 19:53:15 branded: sshfs over usbnet is one way Aug 06 19:53:32 ahh interesting Aug 06 19:53:42 how does novaterm connect? Aug 06 19:53:54 is it raw over tcp 5380 or something? Aug 06 19:54:23 novacomd will read and write things for you, yeah Aug 06 19:54:47 novacomd running on the pre? Aug 06 19:55:03 branded: a pc runs a novacomd that talks to a novacomd on the pre Aug 06 19:55:05 did you know, when using novaterm, there is no active user Aug 06 19:55:06 over USB generally Aug 06 19:55:08 :) Aug 06 19:55:22 raeb: yeah, it's not a vty Aug 06 19:55:32 interesting Aug 06 19:55:55 so, does the novacom daemon have a file transfer mechanism? Aug 06 19:55:56 :) Aug 06 19:55:59 branded: and a pc talks to a novacomd on Aug 06 19:56:01 yes Aug 06 19:56:02 tcp usually Aug 06 19:56:14 how do i transfer files using novacomd :D Aug 06 19:56:16 ie a novacomd on your workstation can talk to the novacomd on the emulator over tcp Aug 06 19:56:17 novacom can send, receive files .. execute commands .. and open a terminal Aug 06 19:56:31 novacom put file:///path/to/remote/file < local_file Aug 06 19:56:42 novacom get file:///path/to/remote/file > local_file Aug 06 19:56:44 and get, i assume? Aug 06 19:56:54 awesome Aug 06 19:57:08 thank geist Aug 06 19:57:09 he's the man Aug 06 19:57:14 that'd be file://[path to file] ? Aug 06 19:57:29 well, your remote directories look like /usr/local/bin .. Aug 06 19:57:32 so sure Aug 06 19:57:40 wherever you want to place that first slash Aug 06 19:57:50 geist wrote novacom? Aug 06 19:57:59 yes Aug 06 19:58:05 cool Aug 06 19:58:10 i think i deleted it :D Aug 06 19:58:14 but now I need to get it again Aug 06 19:58:16 awesome Aug 06 19:58:20 hahahha Aug 06 19:58:22 yea Aug 06 20:00:21 is there a particular reason the terminal app wants an ipkg root under /var instead of /usr/local? Aug 06 20:00:32 I assume it's not using /opt to stay out of the optware space Aug 06 20:00:59 is var just seen as better to stay out of palm's way? / has more space than /var, nevermind LFS Aug 06 20:01:57 wow geist wrote his own OS Aug 06 20:02:02 pretty damn good Aug 06 20:02:54 no he didn't Aug 06 20:03:14 it's a modified embedded linux. Aug 06 20:03:22 which is distantly derived from debian Aug 06 20:03:47 oh Aug 06 20:04:09 branded: though he HAS written his own OS before :) Aug 06 20:04:13 this just isn't it Aug 06 20:04:32 oh Haiku Aug 06 20:04:33 right Aug 06 20:04:36 forgot about that. Aug 06 20:04:41 yes, he wrote his own OS. Aug 06 20:04:50 he wrote little kernel as well, which is the basis for bootie and iboot Aug 06 20:05:05 pretty amazing guy Aug 06 20:05:11 emrys, /var is where palm installs 3rd party apps from the app catalog .. Aug 06 20:05:12 yea, apparently Aug 06 20:05:14 so it seems like a good place Aug 06 20:06:14 emrys: also /var is generally writable where the rootfs is usually read only Aug 06 20:06:50 which is probably why they did ity Aug 06 20:06:56 s/ity/it/ Aug 06 20:06:56 destinal meant: which is probably why they did it Aug 06 20:07:26 is novacom in the SDK? Aug 06 20:07:28 odd of them, but ok Aug 06 20:07:35 oh Aug 06 20:07:44 branded: depends on which sdk Aug 06 20:07:56 branded: for linux it's a separate download Aug 06 20:08:14 i'm on win32 Aug 06 20:08:16 on windows it's included Aug 06 20:08:21 okay cool Aug 06 20:09:59 branded and linux and mac include novaterm, windows doesn't but there's a download linked on the wiki page for novaterm for windows Aug 06 20:10:59 novacom is in the bin directory under the SDK, so i'm good... thanks Aug 06 20:11:18 is the dev for filecoaster in here? Aug 06 20:11:25 why aren't all the apps listed :( Aug 06 20:11:30 I want my nyc subway map Aug 06 20:15:12 just copy he url Aug 06 20:15:13 Hey all, does anyone know of any project to get PEAP MSCHAPv2 working smoothly? Aug 06 20:21:47 does it work with wpa_supplicant? Aug 06 20:23:24 Hello Aug 06 20:23:31 I was able to manipulate the wpa_supplicant to connect to my university network Aug 06 20:23:32 How's it going #webos-internals Aug 06 20:23:33 scasplte2: yeah apparently it works with wpa_supplicant, there's just no GUI at the moment to configure that so you have to do it by hand Aug 06 20:23:44 alright Aug 06 20:23:50 thats what I was afraid of Aug 06 20:24:00 jimbo said he got it working successfully on peap-mschapv2 yesterday Aug 06 20:24:18 I know the commands to do but I need to look into scripting it to make it connect and move access points Aug 06 20:24:32 lol Aug 06 20:24:37 i was jimbo yesterday Aug 06 20:25:05 any known problems caused by changing the hostname? Aug 06 20:25:31 scasplte2: ah, ok, sounded like it was working but one had to run dhclient manually? Aug 06 20:25:35 the only problem I had was I lost EV-DO Aug 06 20:26:00 yes I think running dhclient automatically lost EV-DO Aug 06 20:26:34 i'm sorry Aug 06 20:26:40 hmm Aug 06 20:26:40 running dhclient maunally lost EV-DO Aug 06 20:26:59 did you check routing table after? Aug 06 20:27:08 probably it just set the default route out your wifi Aug 06 20:27:30 can anyone recommend something that I can look at an SQLite DB in windows? Aug 06 20:27:55 I didn't look at the routing tables Aug 06 20:28:11 the firefox add-on mentioned in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File isn't compatible with the later versions of firefox Aug 06 20:28:14 branded: you could just get sqlite3 for win32 and do it at the command line Aug 06 20:28:26 but you mean a GUI tool? Aug 06 20:28:36 of course I do XD Aug 06 20:28:48 i'm a windows user Aug 06 20:28:53 * branded is self deprecating Aug 06 20:29:50 http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=ManagementTools Aug 06 20:30:42 * geist listens in an smiles Aug 06 20:30:47 yeah, been busy doin os work Aug 06 20:32:42 sounds like fun times .. Aug 06 20:33:29 destinal: thanks Aug 06 20:33:40 >:( I can't open the palmdatabase.db3 Aug 06 20:36:14 PuffTheMagic: pong! Aug 06 20:36:14 branded: sure you have a tool that supports sqlite3 format? Aug 06 20:36:19 er damn Aug 06 20:36:25 misstype Aug 06 20:36:33 but anyway, i'm on a plane! Aug 06 20:36:44 "SQLite 3 Explorer" Aug 06 20:37:11 branded: start with sqlite3 command line first, then work up :) Aug 06 20:37:13 yea, thanks geist... sounds like you're kicking some ass Aug 06 20:37:20 geist, watch out for snakes! Aug 06 20:37:33 destinal: yea, it doesn't look complicated Aug 06 20:37:34 i'll check it out Aug 06 20:37:45 doing a little mini trip back to TX to visit my parents Aug 06 20:37:53 my one vacation in a couple years Aug 06 20:38:26 geist: palm offices must be quiet, I've heard a few others say they also were taking vacation time :) Aug 06 20:38:36 it's definitely well deserved Aug 06 20:38:46 yeah Aug 06 20:39:04 yeah i'm busy on the next big thing after this Aug 06 20:39:12 which of course i cannot talk about :) Aug 06 20:39:18 does it get you excited ? Aug 06 20:39:22 destinal: "Error: database disk image is malformed" Aug 06 20:39:22 but also been mulling over a novacomd redesign Aug 06 20:39:23 the next big thing ? Aug 06 20:39:23 of course, but we'll get excited anyway Aug 06 20:39:27 same error i got in this other program Aug 06 20:39:40 same bits on the wire, but the device side stuff is far more complicated than it needs Aug 06 20:39:45 ah Aug 06 20:39:50 http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net :( Aug 06 20:40:01 i was going to say, doing the protocol once was fun enough Aug 06 20:40:11 but looking at packets another time :( Aug 06 20:40:16 btw, did anyoine ever do anything with the windows terminal thing i put up the other day? Aug 06 20:40:34 i use osx :( Aug 06 20:41:14 what windows terminal thing? Aug 06 20:41:33 branded: a windows novaterm on .net Aug 06 20:41:38 i don't think you were here when he posted it up Aug 06 20:42:19 novaterm.exe? Aug 06 20:42:24 with terminalcontrol.dll? Aug 06 20:42:28 yah Aug 06 20:42:31 * destinal uses linux also but the windows novaterm looked cool, and I know it should mean people don't have to mess with novaproxy Aug 06 20:42:44 i nneed to put the source back up and let someone do something with it Aug 06 20:42:48 it Aug 06 20:43:00 indeed Aug 06 20:43:04 it's just a proof of concept, wanted folks to start thinking about better versions Aug 06 20:43:11 show maybe a way to do it Aug 06 20:43:23 geist: yeah, I know someone will take it and run with it. Aug 06 20:43:43 yea, it's good... i mean, i apparently could have used it to reset the root password i forgot :D Aug 06 20:43:57 I thought about trying to use it to add a novacom mode into putty but I don't spend much time in windows anymore, maybe someone else will. Aug 06 20:44:29 i only work in windows when i am at work and all my tools are windows based :( Aug 06 20:45:12 alright guys... i appreciate the input Aug 06 20:45:15 have a good night Aug 06 20:45:17 night Aug 06 20:45:25 or evening Aug 06 20:45:30 i'm trying to escape work early Aug 06 20:46:50 i've been looking at language grammars for the past week or two Aug 06 20:46:53 inbetween real work Aug 06 20:59:22 hey guys can you tell Mojo.Log a specific file to log to? for instance /var/log/app_messages Aug 06 21:00:29 jcrawford: I don't think so Aug 06 21:01:01 damn :( Aug 06 21:01:23 i think there is an ini that tells where to log stuff to Aug 06 21:01:26 check conf files ? Aug 06 21:02:27 hmm why do i not have initctl or reboot on my device anymore Aug 06 21:02:35 i webos dr'd it and ran the script for ssh etc. Aug 06 21:02:42 what do those binaries come with bash? Aug 06 21:04:51 also how do you know what the params are that are passed into the handleLaunch of the app-assistant? Aug 06 21:04:58 how do i know what data i can check and work with :D Aug 06 21:05:50 destinal: do u think we should add a restartLuna() funcrtion (exported to the JS)? Aug 06 21:06:21 just now wrote the code for that, and thinking of using a menu to restart luna' Aug 06 21:06:49 (in plugin dev mode, as u know, it's quite often Aug 06 21:07:42 ... and initctl stop LunaSysMgr; initctl start LunaSysMgr does not work from the shell-prompt Aug 06 21:15:49 Zuchmir2: it's not a big deal really.. reboot works and is not much slower than restarting luna Aug 06 21:16:40 plus you could always pkill LunaSysMgr Aug 06 21:16:46 reboot loses all open connections Aug 06 21:16:59 ok Aug 06 21:17:13 upstart will start it up for us when it dies Aug 06 21:17:24 ok Aug 06 22:17:01 cool, someone's working on a GUI for openvpn Aug 06 22:18:15 ah, good, PreCentral have reaffirmed the open ipkg feed so other app installers can access their feed. Aug 06 22:27:30 does anyone know where the "woosh" sound when you close a card is located, and what js controlls it? Aug 06 22:30:38 hello Aug 06 23:11:22 has there been any progress on a new patch for downloading on the browser? Aug 06 23:16:44 what the flying hell, i can't see my pre through usb again Aug 06 23:18:10 egaudet: "see" how Aug 06 23:18:23 "device not found" Aug 06 23:18:34 egaudet: try restarting novacom service Aug 06 23:18:35 it happened to me yesterday too, and then magically started working Aug 06 23:18:58 on workstation Aug 06 23:20:44 just kill it and restart it? Aug 06 23:29:33 what did i do wrong? Aug 06 23:32:31 oi Aug 06 23:39:30 I still can't find my device through usb... i just rebooted Aug 06 23:39:34 how do I restart novacom? Aug 06 23:43:56 egaudet: what OS? Aug 06 23:44:03 ubuntu Aug 06 23:44:12 jaunty Aug 06 23:44:38 cool, me too. initctl stop palm-novacomd Aug 06 23:44:46 initctl start palm-novacomd Aug 06 23:46:05 stop didn't return Aug 06 23:46:16 ok had to unplug Aug 06 23:46:27 duh Aug 06 23:47:07 bahhhhhh, still nothing Aug 06 23:47:47 oh wait, im a friggin assclown Aug 06 23:48:12 :turns devmode on: Aug 06 23:48:17 doh Aug 06 23:48:30 egaudet: do you want to know how to update the version of accelservice and accelexample, and have the autobuilder automatically push new versions to the feed? Aug 06 23:48:44 lol i completely forgot i turned it off earlier :( Aug 06 23:48:45 egaudet: would you also like to use the webos-internals-announce mailing list to announce new versions Aug 06 23:48:48 yea rwhitby Aug 06 23:49:09 bzhou * r10537 optware/trunk/platforms/ (5 files) - cdrtools: promoted on various targets Aug 06 23:49:15 egaudet: clone the preware git repo, using the commit access URL Aug 06 23:49:29 go into services/accelservice Aug 06 23:49:40 edit the version number in the Makefile Aug 06 23:49:44 git commit, git push, done. Aug 06 23:49:59 Similarly for apps/accelexample in the same repo Aug 06 23:50:52 egaudet: are you signed up on http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce ? Aug 06 23:50:59 ok i put gitorious.org/webos-internals/preware in firefox and it froze my browser Aug 06 23:51:32 weird. works here on safari. Aug 06 23:51:34 i have a weird blackhole in the middle of my browser screen Aug 06 23:52:02 anyone here perform the "hide media sync option" patch? Aug 06 23:52:04 i opened that link (groups.google...) and it followed me lol Aug 07 00:03:44 ok now to announce on google groups? Aug 07 00:04:20 egaudet: let me give you post privs first Aug 07 00:04:27 what's your username there? Aug 07 00:04:53 egaudet Aug 07 00:06:19 egaudet: ok, you can post now. Does the wiki page have a description and stuff now? Aug 07 00:06:29 please point to the wiki page in the post Aug 07 00:10:07 doh Aug 07 00:12:12 egaudet: can you please fill in the Summary section on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AccelService ? Aug 07 00:14:28 er how do i show the directory sturcture Aug 07 00:14:32 in novaterm? Aug 07 00:17:56 uh-oh Aug 07 00:18:05 hello? Aug 07 00:18:06 anyone Aug 07 00:18:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps Aug 07 00:18:14 i'm doing that thing Aug 07 00:18:23 and i got to the changing password for Aug 07 00:18:30 for the unprivileged user Aug 07 00:18:30 what the hell did I do Aug 07 00:18:36 and it seem to have stopped doing anything Aug 07 00:18:41 i cant type a new password Aug 07 00:19:11 damnit, how do you revert the wiki? Aug 07 00:19:20 dunno Aug 07 00:19:31 what is on your screen Hyperian Aug 07 00:19:38 look at hisstory i guess Aug 07 00:19:49 i'm trying to install optware Aug 07 00:19:58 it's stuck on new password Aug 07 00:20:08 but now the box is like New p[] Aug 07 00:20:27 nothing i type shows up in there Aug 07 00:20:35 hit enter? Aug 07 00:20:54 ah ok Aug 07 00:21:24 rwhitby, ping Aug 07 00:21:30 egaudet: syn|ack Aug 07 00:22:09 egaudet: history tab, rollback Aug 07 00:22:31 when I run quilt-bootstrap.sh I fail at "creating a local clone of the webos-internals mod repo" Aug 07 00:22:44 mrjcarter: what's the log file in /tmp say? Aug 07 00:22:50 one sec Aug 07 00:23:32 1 Aug 07 00:23:56 ok Aug 07 00:23:59 it's installing ssh.. Aug 07 00:24:38 should i get quilt? Aug 07 00:24:58 ok why do i keep tripping pastebin's spam filter Aug 07 00:25:52 nice shoutout for webos-internals.org in the latest PreCentral PalmCast, just near the end. Aug 07 00:27:03 rwhitby, having issues w/ pastebin, but looking through the log everything looks good except for the last line "ERROR: failed to create the local clone" Aug 07 00:27:07 * rwhitby considers packaging a 'quilt-lite' which doesn't depend on perl or python ... Aug 07 00:27:24 mrjcarter: do you have a modifications directory there already? Aug 07 00:27:28 do i have to use putty Aug 07 00:27:34 or can i just use novaterm Aug 07 00:27:36 to do stuff Aug 07 00:28:06 Hyperian: depends what you want to do. I wouldn't use novaterm to run Emacs, for instance, but it will run fine in PuTTY. Aug 07 00:28:19 how do i format it Aug 07 00:28:25 rwhitby, not too sure, how can I check? Aug 07 00:28:55 egaudet: just type the plain content and someone else will come along and pretty it up for you :-) Aug 07 00:29:11 i mean like how would i write services and stuff Aug 07 00:29:12 and add it Aug 07 00:29:17 should i just use novaterm Aug 07 00:29:34 ok summary is up Aug 07 00:29:48 Hyperian: you mean services like accelservice or ledservice or ipkgservice? Aug 07 00:29:54 yes Aug 07 00:30:15 egaudet: nice Aug 07 00:30:38 Hyperian: then you're going to want to use PuTTY, and probably do stuff on the emulator too. Aug 07 00:30:46 ok Aug 07 00:31:01 what are you going to do it in, Hyperian ? Aug 07 00:31:14 but the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps say Aug 07 00:31:23 doing it over EVDO is slwo? Aug 07 00:31:38 laggy Aug 07 00:31:44 better over wifi or usbnet Aug 07 00:31:52 i generally use bluetooth net or wifi Aug 07 00:32:13 cant i just use usb? Aug 07 00:32:16 yep Aug 07 00:32:18 that's usbnet Aug 07 00:32:21 ic Aug 07 00:32:21 you have to enable it Aug 07 00:32:25 the wiki shows how. Aug 07 00:32:26 it's not in that page tho Aug 07 00:32:28 oh Aug 07 00:32:30 how do i paste in the emulator Aug 07 00:32:31 plz! Aug 07 00:33:37 the wiki has that corpx Aug 07 00:33:48 rwhitby, I'm trying to show you a copy of my log but pastebin labeling it as spam, can I PM you? Aug 07 00:34:18 arg Aug 07 00:34:33 mrjcarter: absolutely Aug 07 00:34:38 arg where's the page that shows the commands for novaterm? Aug 07 00:34:46 dont see it Aug 07 00:34:47 link? Aug 07 00:36:01 i dont know where it is Aug 07 00:36:33 is it easy? Aug 07 00:36:35 yes Aug 07 00:36:39 i cant hold down left mouse and do v Aug 07 00:36:41 i think you hold the orange button and press p Aug 07 00:38:58 on the emulator? Aug 07 00:39:02 http://pre101.com/blog/2009/07/06/keyboard-shortcuts/ Aug 07 00:39:24 i am on the emulator Aug 07 00:39:27 not the actual phone Aug 07 00:39:33 rwhitby, so how/who updates the feed? Aug 07 00:39:34 oh emulator Aug 07 00:39:46 there's a thread about htat Aug 07 00:40:12 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/189118-mojo-sdk-keyboard-mouse-controls.html#post1714830 Aug 07 00:40:13 there Aug 07 00:40:18 egaudet: autobuilder machine at OSUOSL Aug 07 00:40:32 there's no copy/paste there :( Aug 07 00:40:38 i dont know then Aug 07 00:40:39 egaudet: mason at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/ Aug 07 00:41:12 (get it? mason builds a castle ... ;-) Aug 07 00:41:58 heh Aug 07 00:42:21 so when will new version be available to users running ipkg update Aug 07 00:44:35 egaudet: it is now Aug 07 00:44:45 the autobuilder runs every 15 minutes Aug 07 00:44:57 bougyman Aug 07 00:45:05 you used this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup to install usbnet right Aug 07 00:45:40 i dont get the 'add new hardware wizard when i plug in my pre cause i have novaterm setup Aug 07 00:45:45 already Aug 07 00:45:52 so do i just go to add new hardware? Aug 07 00:46:06 oh Aug 07 00:46:07 hah Aug 07 00:46:28 nm Aug 07 00:48:55 crap Aug 07 00:49:22 ok cool Aug 07 00:50:17 do you guys prefer gdialpro or dkGoogleVoice Aug 07 00:50:20 oh god Aug 07 00:50:26 you need to do so much to install usbnet Aug 07 00:51:16 so to update i just run ipkg -o /var update right? Aug 07 00:52:52 crap i dont know how to setup usbnet Aug 07 00:53:23 egaudet: right Aug 07 00:54:13 so did i push my changes in wrong, how come it's not updating for me Aug 07 00:56:42 then ipkg -o /var upgrade? Aug 07 00:59:56 yep, update to get the new list, upgrade to install the new versions Aug 07 01:01:54 nothing to be done Aug 07 01:02:17 egaudet: let me check the feed Aug 07 01:02:38 egaudet: what's "ipkg -o /var info org.webosinternals.accelservice" say for the version you have installed now? Aug 07 01:03:03 The right stuff Aug 07 01:03:13 0.0.1 ? Aug 07 01:03:17 or 0.0.2 ? Aug 07 01:03:18 0.0.2 Aug 07 01:03:28 so you already have the latest version Aug 07 01:04:13 ok then i screwed up the code Aug 07 01:04:15 brb Aug 07 01:04:53 egaudet: note that you have to reboot or pkill LunaSysMgr to see a change in a service Aug 07 01:11:06 i must have not built it correctly before push Aug 07 01:11:40 jars do not contain any date information correct? (i.e. i build it today, I get the exact same jar as next week if nothing changes) Aug 07 01:12:36 So many netsplits recently Aug 07 01:12:51 so do i have to up the version again for another push? Aug 07 01:20:22 anyone tried to get pulseaudio to work on the phone? Aug 07 01:21:54 Palm? Aug 07 01:22:00 it's already working Aug 07 01:22:00 .. the pre yes Aug 07 01:22:01 isn't it enabled? Aug 07 01:22:43 how do i add it to the phone tho? Aug 07 01:23:58 i removed the jar from /usr/lib/luna/java/ and the service from /usr/share/dbus-1/system_services and pkill'd LunaSysMgr Aug 07 01:24:05 why can I still call my service through luna-send?? Aug 07 01:51:37 egaudet: does a reboot fix it? Aug 07 01:52:07 egaudet: yes, you need to bump the version for the autobuilder to rebuild Aug 07 01:58:07 ok a reboot got rid of the app Aug 07 01:58:35 well stopped letting me call it through luna-send. so restarting LunaSysMgr will start new services but not stop old ones? Aug 07 02:01:37 hmm ok it doesn't bring back the service either, rebooting again after re-installing service Aug 07 02:08:44 :sigh: dunno what went wrong Aug 07 02:20:05 suggestion: in the git, can the prefix of all updates be the package that is being updated, example: AccelService: Upped version to ... Aug 07 02:24:30 yea i'll make sure for now on Aug 07 02:24:50 if i update the service do I have to manually run the postinst script each update? Aug 07 02:33:59 egaudet: we do symlinks so you don't need to run postinst, but you will need to restart Aug 07 02:34:30 ok Aug 07 02:35:09 Zuchmir2: when we move to the new server, we'll probably just have separate repos, and CIA will report properly. For the time being, I support your proposal. Aug 07 02:37:32 Damnit it is still broken Aug 07 02:48:12 egaudet: note that yours is the first service, so don't discount that the autobuilder might be doing something wrong ... Aug 07 02:50:44 maha Aug 07 02:50:48 the symlink is blank Aug 07 02:51:05 err nonexistent Aug 07 02:51:59 egaudet: pointing to the wrong place? Aug 07 02:52:28 no i think the actual file never got copied to /var/usr/lib/luna/java Aug 07 02:55:16 that is supposed to be done on the ipkg -o /var install stage right Aug 07 02:55:36 yep Aug 07 02:55:51 try ipkg -o /var files org.webosinternals.accelservice Aug 07 02:55:59 that will tell you what files it thinks it has installed Aug 07 02:56:28 Package org.webosinternals.accelservice (0.0.3) is installed on root and has the following files: Aug 07 02:56:28 /var/usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.webosinternals.accelservice.service Aug 07 02:56:49 the /var/lib/luna/java/"".jar is missing Aug 07 02:57:01 /var/usr/lib/luna/java/"".jar Aug 07 02:58:16 egaudet: ok, let me take a look on the autobuilder Aug 07 02:59:08 egaudet: yep, autobuilder is missing that file. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 07 02:59:57 2009