**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 18 02:59:56 2009
Aug 18 03:00:03 <atlanta_> rwhitby: if its through https whats the difference
Aug 18 03:00:03 <atlanta_> ?
Aug 18 03:00:03 <max_> if it got to the point where precentral felt threatened by preware (since it is/will be the best on evice installer) don't you think they would be willing to share the info rather than lose developers to preware's website
Aug 18 03:00:10 <bpadalino> maybe someone will make a patch for preware to include the other feed .. that would be amusing
Aug 18 03:00:19 <destinal> rwhitby: well, if the intent of palm was for us to not use the internal APIs of the pre, would we be going "black-hat" using them?
Aug 18 03:00:22 <atlanta_> repo settings
Aug 18 03:00:33 <destinal> I disagree with the distinction
Aug 18 03:00:35 <rwhitby> destinal: that's a good point.
Aug 18 03:00:44 <Decimation> lol, this is gonna turn out just like installer and cydia for the iphone
Aug 18 03:00:50 <Decimation> im sure someone here knows that story.
Aug 18 03:00:59 * oil doesnt
Aug 18 03:01:10 <atlanta_> nope
Aug 18 03:01:17 <rwhitby> anyway, PreCentral has agreed to provide the basic information that an application installer needs.
Aug 18 03:01:27 <atlanta_> oh ok
Aug 18 03:01:35 <destinal> we could totally make a filecoaster workalike if we wanted and it wouldn't be unethical or illegal
Aug 18 03:01:48 <atlanta_> thats what i was gonna say
Aug 18 03:01:55 <rwhitby> An application "review opinions, check ratings, upload ratings, look at screenshots" tool is a different thing, that needs other information
Aug 18 03:01:57 <atlanta_> they probably gonna take some of preware code anyways
Aug 18 03:02:00 <destinal> I'm not saying we *should*
Aug 18 03:02:10 <destinal> our format will be superior IMO but we still need packages
Aug 18 03:02:11 <oil> atlanta_ they cant
Aug 18 03:02:16 <oil> their app is closed source
Aug 18 03:02:24 <destinal> and metadata
Aug 18 03:02:25 <oil> the license doesnt allow them to use any of it
Aug 18 03:02:34 <rwhitby> destinal: the other way is to get authors to put the information in the ipkg file.  then it travels with the ipkg.
Aug 18 03:02:42 <atlanta_> oil: yea but what makes them from not doing it
Aug 18 03:02:42 <max_>  did anyone see what I said about precentral feeling threatened by lose its domaniance over the homebrew app scene to preware and consquesntly giving into what we want
Aug 18 03:02:54 <oil> atlanta_ nothing really
Aug 18 03:02:56 <atlanta_> max_: where did you get that from
Aug 18 03:03:02 <atlanta_> oil: exactly
Aug 18 03:03:08 <destinal> rwhitby: there will be too little adoption I'm afraid
Aug 18 03:03:24 <rwhitby> max_: precentral knows that having it's app feed in preware.org is a good thing for them.  but they still want people to go back to precentral to comment on the apps, do ratings, etc.
Aug 18 03:03:25 <Decimation> once preware gets big, and obviously has better function then pregame... im sure precentral will give in to it :P
Aug 18 03:03:39 <max_> Decimation: that's what I am saying
Aug 18 03:03:55 <max_> precentral will have to give in, or lose market domaniance
Aug 18 03:03:57 <atlanta_> true
Aug 18 03:04:00 <rwhitby> Decimation: I'm not sure - they will want some co-branding on the app
Aug 18 03:04:09 <atlanta_> yea thats what i was thinking
Aug 18 03:04:11 <destinal> rwhitby: so why not consume their xml format and include the link to their url?
Aug 18 03:04:14 <atlanta_> something to promote them as well
Aug 18 03:04:16 <destinal> it gets them the eyeballs
Aug 18 03:04:25 <rwhitby> destinal: that's what we do now.
Aug 18 03:04:33 <max_> and I think if we can get the back of important devs (like oil) we could scare precentral into thinking just that
Aug 18 03:04:39 <rwhitby> the app homepage url is part of the open feed
Aug 18 03:04:43 <max_> backing of important devs**
Aug 18 03:05:08 <rwhitby> I'd rather have precentral see the advantages of open information, rather than trying to scare or threaten them
Aug 18 03:05:23 <Decimation> talk to the people who run precentral and tell them you want them to adapt preware as the standard.
Aug 18 03:05:32 <Decimation> eliminate filecoaster :P
Aug 18 03:05:35 <max_> rwhitby: but like you said they are a coorporation
Aug 18 03:05:37 <atlanta_> open info is the way to go
Aug 18 03:05:38 <rwhitby> just like we'd rather palm see the advantages of a native SDK, rather than forcing them to release one.
Aug 18 03:05:45 <destinal> and IMO preware wins over something like filecoaster because we have the group dynamic we do and because anyone can improve it
Aug 18 03:05:47 <rwhitby> (before it's ready)
Aug 18 03:05:58 <rwhitby> destinal: that is the key point
Aug 18 03:05:59 <atlanta_> destinal: exactly
Aug 18 03:06:16 <rwhitby> we lead by example, and others will follow.  we don't try and force others to follow.
Aug 18 03:06:27 <max_> whats wrong with attaching a precentral graphic to every app from them that we have?
Aug 18 03:06:29 <brontos> good day all, when I create/connect to a sqlite db what is the size in regards to and how do I decide to set the size?
Aug 18 03:06:34 <rwhitby> an advocate, not a zealot
Aug 18 03:06:39 <atlanta_> hey rwhitby is there a reason why installing  termplugin and terminal through preware terminal comes up just llack
Aug 18 03:06:41 <atlanta_> black**
Aug 18 03:06:46 <Decimation> rwhitby: exactly, just continue work as is.. precentral will want to adapt and support preware sooner or later.
Aug 18 03:06:48 <rwhitby> atlanta_: which verion?
Aug 18 03:06:57 <rwhitby> Decimation: exactly
Aug 18 03:06:59 <atlanta_> im guessing the lastest but let me check preware
Aug 18 03:07:12 <rwhitby> atlanta_: you want 0.1.9
Aug 18 03:07:17 <destinal> atlanta_: did you install 0.1.8?  there was an issue with black on black default prefs
Aug 18 03:07:23 <max_> what talks have been had with precentral up to this point about getting more info from the feed?
Aug 18 03:07:24 <rwhitby> 0.1.8 was black on black themed :-)
Aug 18 03:07:36 <bpadalino> stealth mode
Aug 18 03:07:40 <rwhitby> max_: I've done all that talking.
Aug 18 03:07:45 <destinal> it's a fashion statement, or a political statement.   ;)
Aug 18 03:07:47 <oil> rwhitby, max_: what came of your testing when i went for lunch, quickinstall isn't running the postinst?
Aug 18 03:07:47 <destinal> or both
Aug 18 03:08:01 <oil> and by lunch i mean dinner
Aug 18 03:08:04 <Decimation> rwhitby: all we have to do, is make a kickass application, and when they start loosing the developers to preware, i believe they will come around :P
Aug 18 03:08:05 <rwhitby> destinal: it was a tribute to michael jackson
Aug 18 03:08:05 <destinal> or maybe it was just a bug but don't tell anyone
Aug 18 03:08:15 <destinal> rwhitby: who told?
Aug 18 03:08:16 <max_> oil: uh, I think we kinda gave up. I think rwhitby learned some stuff tho
Aug 18 03:08:19 <destinal> :P
Aug 18 03:08:28 <heisenman> Followed the tutorial for preware, the app is installed.
Aug 18 03:08:36 <heisenman> Booting it up the first time, let's see what we have.
Aug 18 03:08:38 * oil wants to install it on his stock pre so he can get a "feel" for it on the device
Aug 18 03:08:43 <rwhitby> ("doesn't matter if your foreground text is black or white" "whoo!!!")
Aug 18 03:08:52 <rwhitby> (sung to the MJ song)
Aug 18 03:09:01 <max_> oil: why havent you already?
Aug 18 03:09:08 * oil is lazy
Aug 18 03:09:16 <Decimation> oil: no kidding.. lol
Aug 18 03:09:17 <rwhitby> max_: sorry, I got distracted :-)
Aug 18 03:09:59 <Decimation> rwhitby: aww man, i forgot to make a wiki page about that service called in the interactive test to record audio
Aug 18 03:10:03 <Decimation> i should do that now. lol
Aug 18 03:10:09 <rwhitby> max_: /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice didn't exist, right?
Aug 18 03:10:17 <heisenman> Btw, has anyone else gotten a massive error list followed by a segmentation fault from LunaSysMgr after trying to install patches CLI?
Aug 18 03:10:31 <destinal> ouch
Aug 18 03:10:35 <destinal> no
Aug 18 03:10:35 <heisenman> (It's probably my fault, but knowing what this error is and how to revert/fix it could be useful)
Aug 18 03:10:58 <heisenman> pkill LunaSysMgr seems to "fix" the problem e.g. unhorking my GUI so I can answer my phone..
Aug 18 03:11:10 <max_> rwhitby: /bin/sh: /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice: Permission denied
Aug 18 03:11:23 <destinal> heisenman: I can definitely say that this is the first I've ever heard of that occurring when patching apps
Aug 18 03:11:25 <heisenman> But the gentle way of alerting luna that something changed causes either my screen or my touch interface to lock up.
Aug 18 03:11:33 <heisenman> (Hard to tell which, but I think it's the touch interface)
Aug 18 03:11:38 <Decimation> anyone find any info on the quicklauncher? I AM DETERMINED TO GET 6 ICONS ON IT
Aug 18 03:11:38 <rwhitby> max_: "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" ?
Aug 18 03:12:00 <max_> root@castle:/# ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:12:00 <max_> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           47 Aug 17 21:30 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice -> /var/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:12:05 <destinal> Decimation: a binary patch to luna may be required
Aug 18 03:12:17 <atlanta_> rwhitby: yea its 0.1.8 in the repo im guessing
Aug 18 03:12:18 <rwhitby> max_: ok, good.  so after a reboot does Preware work?
Aug 18 03:12:19 <Decimation> destinal: ouch, rough.
Aug 18 03:12:22 <atlanta_> thats what perware installed
Aug 18 03:12:40 <max_> nope, stuck at updating
Aug 18 03:12:52 <Decimation> rwhitby: i still have to run luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/list {} to get the service started
Aug 18 03:13:05 <oil> Decimation: thats not the problem anymore
Aug 18 03:13:12 <oil> it looks like quickinstall isnt running the postinst
Aug 18 03:13:13 <rwhitby> max_: "/sbin/initctl start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" ?
Aug 18 03:13:32 <Decimation> oil: ouch, that could be a problem.
Aug 18 03:13:39 <rwhitby> oil: it's deeper than that, cause max_ has the upstart script in place, but still not working
Aug 18 03:13:47 <oil> huh
Aug 18 03:13:51 <max_> rwhitby: initctl: (05921/201974472) Unknown job: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:14:17 <rwhitby> max_: please pastebin the contents of /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:15:01 <max_> rwhitby: /bin/sh: /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice: not found
Aug 18 03:15:02 <Decimation> oil: when do you expect patches will be downloadable/applyable through preware?
Aug 18 03:15:12 * oil looks to rwhitby
Aug 18 03:15:24 <rwhitby> max_: "cat /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" and pastebin the output
Aug 18 03:15:37 <rwhitby> Decimation: when it's ready - this is an open source project ;-)
Aug 18 03:15:45 <oil> xD
Aug 18 03:15:50 <max_> rwhitby: cat: can't open '/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice': No such file or directory
Aug 18 03:15:50 <Decimation> rwhiby: :P fair enough.
Aug 18 03:15:57 <rwhitby> but seriously, we don't have a solid design for that yet, so it will be a while.
Aug 18 03:16:25 <atlanta_> max_: that would be a problem
Aug 18 03:16:44 <Decimation> rwhitby: okay, because that would something that would but preware way ahead of filecoaster
Aug 18 03:16:47 <rwhitby> max_: "cat /var/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" and pastebin the output
Aug 18 03:17:00 <rwhitby> Decimation: it's not a race :-)
Aug 18 03:17:12 <max_> oh, whoops it connected to the emulator
Aug 18 03:17:23 <rwhitby> fileCoaster's simple architecture prevents doing lots of things
Aug 18 03:17:43 <Decimation> rwhitby: thats because there was no planning in it.. lol
Aug 18 03:17:56 <oil> but they were FIRST!
Aug 18 03:17:58 <rwhitby> Decimation: I'm sure there was individual planning
Aug 18 03:17:59 <oil> xD
Aug 18 03:18:09 <rwhitby> but one person cannot think of everything
Aug 18 03:18:15 <destinal> Decimation: being able to apply any from some huge collection patches to the static javascript isn't the future anyway
Aug 18 03:18:19 <rwhitby> even someone as skilled as PreGame
Aug 18 03:18:22 <oil> there is an awful lot of planning and arguing
Aug 18 03:18:37 <Decimation> destinal: sooo 5 minutes ago :)
Aug 18 03:18:38 <destinal> it simply doesn't scale
Aug 18 03:18:41 <oil> the mojo part of preware only took a weekend
Aug 18 03:18:41 <max_> http://pastebin.com/m5f87d851
Aug 18 03:18:44 <oil> after all the careful planning
Aug 18 03:18:52 * oil swooped in at the end
Aug 18 03:19:01 <oil> xD
Aug 18 03:19:05 <Decimation> :D
Aug 18 03:19:10 <rwhitby> and oil will get all the credit :-)
Aug 18 03:19:17 * oil wants none
Aug 18 03:19:26 <oil> maybe i should put my name at the bottom of every scene
Aug 18 03:19:29 * Decimation test
Aug 18 03:19:30 <oil> ive seen that elsewhere
Aug 18 03:19:31 <destinal> oil: you'll be forced to have some, like it or not :)
Aug 18 03:19:44 <oil> haha
Aug 18 03:19:45 <rwhitby> oil: we look first for people that don't want credit
Aug 18 03:19:52 <oil> great
Aug 18 03:19:54 <rwhitby> they tend to work better in teams :-)
Aug 18 03:20:04 <Decimation> oil: do itttt. we can just delete that after, remember, its open source :)
Aug 18 03:20:15 <oil> haha
Aug 18 03:20:27 <oil> hell
Aug 18 03:20:28 <rwhitby> max_: can you take the 3rd line of that pastebin, and run that on the command-line, and pastebin the output please?
Aug 18 03:20:36 <oil> i didnt even put my name in any comments at the top of the code
Aug 18 03:21:00 <rwhitby> oil: I don't think any webos-internals code has author names in it.
Aug 18 03:21:02 <Decimation> oil: doesn't matter, we all know who did it :)
Aug 18 03:21:09 <oil> damn
Aug 18 03:21:33 <rwhitby> and I think it's a good idea to keep it that way - it engenders a sense of community ownership rather than one person thinking it's their baby
Aug 18 03:21:35 <max_> after running the third line it is working
Aug 18 03:22:01 <rwhitby> max_: excellent - we're narrowing down the problem now
Aug 18 03:22:25 <oil> i did attempt to comment what most of the code does though
Aug 18 03:22:26 <max_> rwhitby: it might have been something earlier tho
Aug 18 03:22:30 <max_> but I dont think so
Aug 18 03:22:32 <rwhitby> so, the upstart script is being symlinked into place, but upstart doesn't want to run it by name.  running the command inside the upstart script manually works.
Aug 18 03:22:32 <oil> its usually an after thought
Aug 18 03:22:39 <rwhitby> destinal: what am I missing here?
Aug 18 03:23:01 <max_> rwhitby: here is the output:
Aug 18 03:23:02 <max_> ** Message: _response: got response {started: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice}
Aug 18 03:23:02 <max_> ** Message: _connected client connected
Aug 18 03:23:15 <rwhitby> max_: can you please reboot, to make sure that it still doesn't work after a reboot?
Aug 18 03:23:16 <max_> that is what prompted me to try opening preware again
Aug 18 03:23:33 * rwhitby appreciates max_'s patience
Aug 18 03:23:44 <max_> rwhitby: youre killing me, I wanna play around with prewae already
Aug 18 03:23:56 <oil> haha
Aug 18 03:24:00 <max_> alright, rebooting now
Aug 18 03:24:07 <rwhitby> max_: we can take a 15 minute break if you like :-), as long as you come back to it later.
Aug 18 03:24:34 <rwhitby> since we have a characterised failure case on your Pre now, and we don't want to lose that.
Aug 18 03:25:17 <max_> rwhitby: maybe you can also explain to my english and history teachers that I didnt do the summer reading because I have been playing wiht my pre all summer.
Aug 18 03:25:24 <rwhitby> max_: when it reboots, I'm going to ask you to do a number of things again that you've already done and we already know the answer, but please bear with me and do them again precisely so that we can be 100% sure.
Aug 18 03:25:44 <max_> rwhitby: l
Aug 18 03:25:47 <max_> k
Aug 18 03:26:26 <rwhitby> max_: 1) check whether Preware works.  I'm expecting that it will not.  Please don't run any commands to try and make it work.
Aug 18 03:26:34 <rwhitby> max_: 2) close Preware
Aug 18 03:26:50 <gkatsev> egaudet: its weird, but supposedly if you just got a text notification and you press on it, it wont insert qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
Aug 18 03:26:59 <max_> rwhitby: ok, not working right after reboot
Aug 18 03:27:04 <rwhitby> max_: 3) "ls -l /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice"
Aug 18 03:27:24 <rwhitby> (and just paste the one line output here)
Aug 18 03:27:38 <max_> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           47 Aug 17 21:30 /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice -> /var/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:27:54 <rwhitby> max_: 4) "ls -l /var/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice"
Aug 18 03:27:57 <rwhitby> (and just paste the one line output here)
Aug 18 03:28:33 <max_> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          217 Aug 17 06:40 /var/etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:28:40 <rwhitby> max_: 5) "/sbin/initctl start org.webosinternals.ipkgservice"
Aug 18 03:28:52 <rwhitby> and pastebin the output, it's too long for inline here.
Aug 18 03:29:23 <max_> initctl: (00289/254687500) Unknown job: org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:29:33 <rwhitby> max_: ok, stop there.
Aug 18 03:29:43 <rwhitby> can anyone see what's going wrong there?
Aug 18 03:29:53 <rwhitby> typo anywhere?
Aug 18 03:30:06 <heisenman> rwhitby: I've been following this.
Aug 18 03:30:14 <heisenman> I see exactly the same things as max_
Aug 18 03:30:20 <heisenman> Beginning to present.
Aug 18 03:30:37 <rwhitby> heisenman: fantastic!  thank you muchly for indpendent verification.
Aug 18 03:31:10 <rwhitby> destinal: any thoughts?
Aug 18 03:32:04 <rwhitby> max_: ok, I'm out of ideas.
Aug 18 03:32:09 <Rick-home> max_ you weren't going to finish reading mississippi anyway, 'cause it sucks so bad.
Aug 18 03:32:15 <Rick-home> rwhitby:   I have no idea either
Aug 18 03:32:22 <rwhitby> max_: run the luna-helper command and have fun with Preware
Aug 18 03:32:27 <Rick-home> I was gone for a bit but reading back, it makes no sense at all
Aug 18 03:32:35 <rwhitby> it's gotta be something obvious that we just aren't seeing
Aug 18 03:32:40 <heisenman> How does one register a daemon/job/background process in this framework?
Aug 18 03:32:40 <max_> Rick-home: its just interview after interview
Aug 18 03:32:48 <Rick-home> is there any reason we can't include the luna-helper command in the postinst script?
Aug 18 03:32:54 <Rick-home> max_  I did warn you.
Aug 18 03:32:55 <doclee40> Anybody know how to remove/hide empty or null items from a list widget?
Aug 18 03:33:01 <rwhitby> Rick-home: that would only work on install, not on reboot.
Aug 18 03:33:08 <Rick-home> ahhh
Aug 18 03:33:23 <Rick-home> can you put the luna-helper in event.d?
Aug 18 03:33:27 <heisenman> So how do you register a job with initctl?
Aug 18 03:33:31 <Rick-home> orr is that what you've been trying to do?
Aug 18 03:33:32 <rwhitby> heisenman: the /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice script is exactly that
Aug 18 03:33:48 <Rick-home> weird
Aug 18 03:33:48 <rwhitby> Rick-home: yep, that's the bit which is not working.
Aug 18 03:34:32 <doclee40> Woops.  Wrong channel.
Aug 18 03:34:47 <heisenman> Well, we're specifying the name of the file you want to execute to get this process started...
Aug 18 03:34:51 <max_> so I just run /usr/bin/luna-helper 'luna://com.palm.vm/launch' '{"serviceName":"org.webosinternals.ipkgservice","className":"org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.IPKGService"}' every time I want to use prewre
Aug 18 03:35:04 <rwhitby> max_: after each reboot, yes.
Aug 18 03:35:09 <rwhitby> (until we fix this problem)
Aug 18 03:35:20 <heisenman> I mean, initctl isn't complaining about the contents of the file, it's complaining about the file itself.
Aug 18 03:35:26 <max_> I guess I ocould just not reboot my phone...
Aug 18 03:35:27 <oil> what?
Aug 18 03:35:35 <heisenman> Or am I reading that error message wrong?
Aug 18 03:35:39 <oil> running the postinst script doesn't fix it?
Aug 18 03:35:53 <rwhitby> oil: not for max_ or heisenman
Aug 18 03:35:58 <oil> huh
Aug 18 03:36:23 <Decimation> is the service supposed to automatically start?
Aug 18 03:36:25 <rwhitby> I'm glad we have two independent verifiers, otherwise I wouldn't believe it myself.
Aug 18 03:36:53 <heisenman> To start with, I followed the directions on webos-internals (the website)
Aug 18 03:36:59 <rwhitby> Decimation: that's what the /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice upstart config file is meant to do
Aug 18 03:37:07 <max_> oil: any way of adding recentely updated/added. its nice to see whats going on with apps not on my phone
Aug 18 03:37:16 <heisenman> If there have been modifications to the instructions that haven't been updated to the website, I could be in an unknown state.
Aug 18 03:37:27 <rwhitby> heisenman: no, you're good.
Aug 18 03:37:36 <heisenman> As an alternative, I might be able to open up a port and let someone ssh into my phone.
Aug 18 03:37:45 <Decimation> rwhitbyL ah, it doesnt start for me either.. have to run that command to start the service on each reboot
Aug 18 03:37:47 <oil> max_: updated apps you have installed show up in the top item
Aug 18 03:37:48 <Decimation> ive ran the postinst
Aug 18 03:37:50 <rwhitby> the steps I took max_ through eliminate any possibility of not following the process correctly
Aug 18 03:37:52 <oil> together
Aug 18 03:37:53 <Decimation> and followed what you guys say
Aug 18 03:37:54 <heisenman> If you'd like 1st-hand playing rather than a game of phone.
Aug 18 03:38:11 <max_> oil: I am tlking about apps that aren't installed
Aug 18 03:38:12 <oil> the feed doesn't currently support a "last updated" or "submission date" or anything like that
Aug 18 03:38:13 <oil> to sort by
Aug 18 03:38:24 <max_> oh ok
Aug 18 03:38:29 <oil> alphabetical is all we've got right now
Aug 18 03:38:40 <rwhitby> oil: I'm going to work on that with the feed scraper scripts, and it will appear as a Last-Updated field in the Source: JSON
Aug 18 03:38:59 <rwhitby> I can have the scraper record when it first saw the new version of the ipkg
Aug 18 03:38:59 <oil> awesome
Aug 18 03:39:03 <oil> for all feeds?
Aug 18 03:39:06 <oil> or just some?
Aug 18 03:39:07 <Decimation> in /etc/event.d
Aug 18 03:39:13 <Decimation> the org.webosinternals.ipkgservice
Aug 18 03:39:14 <Decimation> is just a link
Aug 18 03:39:18 <Decimation> is that right?
Aug 18 03:39:21 <rwhitby> oil: should be able to do it for all
Aug 18 03:39:30 <rwhitby> Decimation: yes, we believe that symlinks work
Aug 18 03:39:41 <max_> oil: way only have nice blue letter dividers when browsing the List of Everything
Aug 18 03:39:47 <max_> why only*
Aug 18 03:40:01 <oil> cause its the "alpha list of everything"
Aug 18 03:40:07 <oil> per the design mockup
Aug 18 03:40:25 <rwhitby> Decimation: if you know linux, please remove the link and copy the file from /var/etc/event.d/ across and see if that lets initctl start work
Aug 18 03:40:25 <max_> I think it'd be nice to add to the other scenes
Aug 18 03:41:11 <oil> well its already there, it just only gets run on the everything list
Aug 18 03:41:15 <oil> the app is only 4 scenes total
Aug 18 03:41:18 <heisenman> Gonna reboot the router, see if I can get my phone in the DMZ.
Aug 18 03:41:26 <heisenman> Brb, hopefully with ssh access for y'all.
Aug 18 03:41:29 <rwhitby> heisenman: ok
Aug 18 03:42:09 <Decimation> rwhitby: okay, rebooting now, lets see if that for some reason fixed it.
Aug 18 03:42:10 <rwhitby> heisenman: I'm gonna get some lunch, and maybe my subconscious will work this out.
Aug 18 03:43:10 <heisenman-home> hm
Aug 18 03:43:14 <heisenman-home> let's see what happens...
Aug 18 03:43:19 <max_> oil: I see. at this point do you as many features in the app as possible with the info provided by the feeds
Aug 18 03:43:45 <oil> right
Aug 18 03:44:03 <oil> and the service
Aug 18 03:44:19 <oil> once the service supports postinst, you'll be able to install everything
Aug 18 03:44:31 <oil> well, not that you cant right now
Aug 18 03:44:36 <oil> but you would have to manually run the postinst
Aug 18 03:44:42 <Decimation> rwhitby: when not symlinking, the service starts on its own fine..
Aug 18 03:45:04 <rwhitby> Decimation: aha!
Aug 18 03:45:10 <oil> path problems?
Aug 18 03:45:49 <rwhitby> Decimation: so when you have a real file in /etc/event.d instead of a symlink, Preware starts fine after a reboot?
Aug 18 03:45:59 <Decimation> rwhitby: yesir.
Aug 18 03:46:41 * oil waits for 0.5.1
Aug 18 03:46:41 <oil> xD
Aug 18 03:47:46 <Decimation> that was that the whole problem behind you're one-hour troubleshooting convo with max_ or was it something else?
Aug 18 03:48:20 <rwhitby> Decimation: yep
Aug 18 03:48:27 <rwhitby> oil: working on it now
Aug 18 03:48:39 <oil> haha
Aug 18 03:49:00 <Decimation> rwhitby: well hah, nice job on figuring it out :P
Aug 18 03:49:13 <Decimation> now i'll be able to stop running that stupid command and startup :)
Aug 18 03:49:23 <oil> haha
Aug 18 03:50:01 <rwhitby> eta 1 min
Aug 18 03:50:02 <Decimation> hah, that was weird.
Aug 18 03:50:58 <Decimation> oil: at the bottom of the main preware screen you should add a reload button that does exactly what the app does at the beginning.
Aug 18 03:51:18 <rwhitby> Note that you will need run the postinst after using Preware to upgrade the service.
Aug 18 03:51:18 <PuffTheMagic> geist: did you ever come back?
Aug 18 03:51:41 <PuffTheMagic> oil: or add that to the menu
Aug 18 03:51:46 <oil> Decimation: i think the plan was to stick it in the menu or prefs page
Aug 18 03:52:16 <rwhitby> ipkgservice 0.5.1 is in the feed
Aug 18 03:52:28 <rwhitby> don't forget to run the postinst after updating
Aug 18 03:52:28 <Decimation> oil: menu would be best.. convenience.
Aug 18 03:52:59 <Decimation> rwhitby: okay, i updated it, now what command do i run
Aug 18 03:53:19 <rwhitby> sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst
Aug 18 03:53:21 * oil installs fresh through quickinstall on his stock pre
Aug 18 03:53:31 <Decimation> rwhitby: thanks
Aug 18 03:53:34 <rwhitby> oil: good plan - see if the postinst works
Aug 18 03:53:55 * rwhitby is glad that we have oil as our Aunt Minnie representative
Aug 18 03:54:12 <rwhitby> (since he is much smarter than our fictional Aunt Minnie)
Aug 18 03:54:29 <heisenman-home> and reboot to verify?
Aug 18 03:54:39 <rwhitby> yes, reboot to verify
Aug 18 03:54:42 * Decimation coulda swore it was Aunt Mimmzie
Aug 18 03:55:12 <rwhitby> this is our other Aunt.  The one that doesn't do Linux.
Aug 18 03:55:17 <heisenman-home> gf is gonna be so pissed the phone hung up on her...
Aug 18 03:55:18 <heisenman-home> *grin*
Aug 18 03:55:31 <heisenman-home> I dunno what happened.  It was the tower.
Aug 18 03:55:58 <Decimation> idk.. the tower just went out... and it even ran this postinst script on my phone!
Aug 18 03:55:59 <rwhitby> "and it took a whole 3 minutes to redial!!!!!"
Aug 18 03:56:01 <Decimation> it was crazy!
Aug 18 03:56:20 <heisenman-home> I swear, these idiots in silicon valley can't do hardware for SHIT.
Aug 18 03:56:24 <heisenman-home> *ducks*
Aug 18 03:56:53 <Decimation> the only thing that i really don't like about my pre that i don't think will ever be improved.. is the boot time.
Aug 18 03:56:56 * rwhitby did hardware in Santa Clara for a year in 1990
Aug 18 03:57:16 * heisenman-home was learning not to piss himself in 1990
Aug 18 03:57:21 <heisenman-home> Well, nah, I did that ok.
Aug 18 03:57:29 <heisenman-home> But sharing, now that was tricky back then.
Aug 18 03:57:53 <heisenman-home> testing preware...
Aug 18 03:58:01 <heisenman-home> and it works.
Aug 18 03:58:20 <oil> ipkgservice install, preware install, updating loop of death
Aug 18 03:58:25 * oil reboots
Aug 18 03:59:05 <rwhitby> oil: one step at a time.  as long as it works after reboot for you I'll be happy.
Aug 18 03:59:22 <livewire1337> how do you do the ***name  thing
Aug 18 03:59:30 <rwhitby> livewire1337: "/me ..."
Aug 18 03:59:33 <atlanta_> livewire1337: like that
Aug 18 03:59:41 * livewire1337 says hey!
Aug 18 03:59:46 <atlanta_> there u go rwhitby to the rescue
Aug 18 03:59:50 * livewire1337 is awesome!
Aug 18 03:59:54 * oil <<3 3rd person
Aug 18 03:59:59 <livewire1337> haha
Aug 18 03:59:59 <rwhitby> ~lart livewire1337
Aug 18 04:00:00 * infobot stamps livewire1337 on the forehead with the official Troll marker
Aug 18 04:00:00 * Decimation thinks livewire is a super noob for not knowing that :P
Aug 18 04:00:07 * Decimation just figured it out today :/
Aug 18 04:00:21 * livewire1337 doesnt use irc 
Aug 18 04:00:27 * Decimation was kidding.
Aug 18 04:00:29 * oil finds himself using /me even when not on irc
Aug 18 04:00:38 <heisenman-home> OOH OOH!
Aug 18 04:00:47 * livewire1337 thinks that funny
Aug 18 04:00:49 * heisenman-home works on IM TOO!
Aug 18 04:00:51 * Decimation says "slash me" outloud in every day conversations.
Aug 18 04:00:56 <heisenman-home> slash me rather
Aug 18 04:01:11 * livewire1337 /me hey!
Aug 18 04:01:11 <oil> it does in trillian
Aug 18 04:01:14 <rwhitby> oil: yeah, I tried it on the chatroll thing for the PalmCast Live, but it didn't work.
Aug 18 04:01:16 <oil> but i think other people actually see / me
Aug 18 04:01:24 <oil> i put it in there
Aug 18 04:01:26 <oil> but i didnt care
Aug 18 04:01:37 <oil> all i remember from the chatroll thing
Aug 18 04:01:52 <oil> is lots of wrhitby YELLING WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!
Aug 18 04:01:53 <rwhitby> So, is Preware working for everyone after a reboot?  max_??
Aug 18 04:02:02 * oil takes nap while his pre reboots
Aug 18 04:02:13 <rwhitby> oil: what did I yell about?
Aug 18 04:02:24 <oil> i dont remember exactly
Aug 18 04:02:26 <oil> just thought it was funny
Aug 18 04:02:42 <oil> update loop ;(
Aug 18 04:02:48 <rwhitby> I was probably just ranting about the ignorance of world standard communication systems ;-)
Aug 18 04:03:09 <rwhitby> oil: which version of webos quick install?
Aug 18 04:03:19 <oil> 2.0
Aug 18 04:04:14 <livewire1337> can u file upload using ajax on webOS?
Aug 18 04:04:21 <oil> no
Aug 18 04:04:27 <livewire1337> D':
Aug 18 04:05:12 <rwhitby> max_: ping
Aug 18 04:05:25 <livewire1337> can u automaticly send a email with an attachment to a predefined recipient?
Aug 18 04:05:31 <oil> no
Aug 18 04:05:39 <oil> (not that ive found)
Aug 18 04:05:47 <oil> idk if you can upload through ajax
Aug 18 04:05:55 <oil> or how the photo uploads works
Aug 18 04:05:57 <oil> maybe you can upload
Aug 18 04:06:05 <livewire1337> cause snooping around in tweed it seems like that is wat they do to upload pics
Aug 18 04:06:06 <oil> idk if its through ajax
Aug 18 04:06:11 <rwhitby> anyone else able to use quick install to install Preware - is it only oil who is failing?
Aug 18 04:06:29 <rwhitby> destinal: can't have symlinks in /etc/event.d/
Aug 18 04:06:42 <destinal> rwhitby: ah
Aug 18 04:06:59 <destinal> security?
Aug 18 04:07:07 <heisenman-home> wow.
Aug 18 04:07:08 <rwhitby> dunno, haven't read the source yet.
Aug 18 04:07:10 <heisenman-home> my gf is a genius
Aug 18 04:07:16 <heisenman-home> KILLER APP OF THE MONTH:
Aug 18 04:07:18 <livewire1337> i wish i had a gf
Aug 18 04:07:29 <heisenman-home> Server/client software, your computer transcribes your phone convos.
Aug 18 04:07:40 <heisenman-home> So I can talk to the gf and talk to you guys and not lose track of the gf.
Aug 18 04:07:47 <heisenman-home> (And log stuff that might be important)
Aug 18 04:07:55 <heisenman-home> Ok, I'm done for a while.  Danke.
Aug 18 04:07:56 <rwhitby> heisenman-home: just get her to use IRC too
Aug 18 04:11:13 <rwhitby> anyone else able to use quick install to install Preware - is it only oil who it is failing for?
Aug 18 04:11:17 <bpadalino> a woman on irc? it's like throwing her to a pack of rabid wolves!
Aug 18 04:11:23 <oil> ;(
Aug 18 04:11:32 <geist> PuffTheMagic: kind of
Aug 18 04:11:42 <bpadalino> rabid wolves, man!!
Aug 18 04:12:26 <PuffTheMagic> geist: so my issues the other day with the non charging
Aug 18 04:12:35 <PuffTheMagic> was cause it wouldnt go into 500mA mode
Aug 18 04:12:38 <PuffTheMagic> when plugged into usb
Aug 18 04:12:47 <PuffTheMagic> it would stay in 100mA for some reason
Aug 18 04:13:28 <PuffTheMagic> something about booting a kernel and not being able to load g_composite puts it into a funky state
Aug 18 04:13:33 <PuffTheMagic> cause i did it again today
Aug 18 04:13:38 <PuffTheMagic> was stuck in 100mA mode
Aug 18 04:13:45 <PuffTheMagic> the only way to fix it
Aug 18 04:13:55 <PuffTheMagic> was to turn of usbnet and novacom mode
Aug 18 04:14:01 <PuffTheMagic> rm -rf /var/gadget/*
Aug 18 04:14:04 <PuffTheMagic> and then reboot
Aug 18 04:14:18 <PuffTheMagic> and then charging worked right on my custom kernel and on the stock kernel
Aug 18 04:14:23 <PuffTheMagic> geist: ^^
Aug 18 04:14:38 <PuffTheMagic> but lcd controls dont seem to work in mojo
Aug 18 04:14:57 <PuffTheMagic> i can turn on/off the lcd from linux by writing to the right /sys file
Aug 18 04:15:08 <PuffTheMagic> but in mojo nothing happens
Aug 18 04:16:00 * rwhitby bbl
Aug 18 04:16:50 <destinal> so I'm assuming when it failed to load / use composite it marked something in /var/gadget somewhere saying, don't try this operation again, or somesuch
Aug 18 04:25:13 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: dont think so
Aug 18 04:25:32 <PuffTheMagic> i looked in the dir before deleting the files
Aug 18 04:25:32 <PuffTheMagic> there were only 2 files
Aug 18 04:25:32 <PuffTheMagic> the one that enabled novacom
Aug 18 04:25:45 <PuffTheMagic> and theone that enabled usbnet
Aug 18 04:26:20 <destinal> so how can that have affected anything?  are you sure you're not smoking something?  :)
Aug 18 04:26:43 <destinal> that's just really odd if its that
Aug 18 04:26:46 <PuffTheMagic> hardware stores state?
Aug 18 04:27:08 <egaudet> new oskb pushed
Aug 18 04:30:33 <egaudet> http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2440/browser20091808001750.png
Aug 18 04:32:59 <Decimation> egaudet: thats released?
Aug 18 04:33:47 <egaudet> yea
Aug 18 04:35:17 <Rick-home> egaudet:    WOW!
Aug 18 04:35:21 <Rick-home> fully skinned!
Aug 18 04:35:22 <Rick-home> wow
Aug 18 04:35:30 <Rick-home> does  it re-size in landscape?
Aug 18 04:35:49 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: wow damn that looksgood
Aug 18 04:36:12 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: can i throw out an idea for your oskb?
Aug 18 04:36:18 <egaudet> PuffTheMagic, please do
Aug 18 04:36:37 <egaudet> Rick-home, yes it does landscape, although the images were designed for portrait so landscape is a bit stretched
Aug 18 04:37:02 <Rick-home> so?   Who cares?
Aug 18 04:37:05 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: would there be a way to but a semitransparent/blured layer under the keyboard that fills the whole card
Aug 18 04:37:13 <PuffTheMagic> except for the text entry area
Aug 18 04:37:18 <PuffTheMagic> so you can sorta see whats under
Aug 18 04:37:23 <PuffTheMagic> but the keyboard is more prominent
Aug 18 04:37:38 <PuffTheMagic> dark keys look nice
Aug 18 04:37:38 <egaudet> And I laid down the beginnings of customizeable themes so designers will be able to create a .json and add their images and hopefully some custom CSS styles from json to widget
Aug 18 04:37:47 <PuffTheMagic> dark keys on dark background harder to see
Aug 18 04:38:16 <egaudet> yea I can probably use one of Palm's "fade" images or something to make a faded background
Aug 18 04:38:28 <Rick-home> PuffTheMagic:   mojo calls that a scrim
Aug 18 04:38:53 <PuffTheMagic> that would be hot
Aug 18 04:38:57 <max_>  rwhitby: sorry, I forced myself to go away from the computer so I could get some reading done.
Aug 18 04:39:17 <Rick-home> max_  rod had to leave for a bit
Aug 18 04:39:56 <egaudet> I spent a lot of time yesterday trying to get auto-correct and search fields to work by sending key events, but that just doesn't do a damn thing
Aug 18 04:41:13 <max_> k. Rick-home: I actually read an entertaining part of mississippi just now. it was the author in the football stadium observing that the only black people there were the football players and the that the white fans were cheering them on by waving confederate flags.
Aug 18 04:41:18 * max_ is a sucker for irony
Aug 18 04:41:34 <Decimation> egaudet: are the images supposed to show up?
Aug 18 04:41:48 <Rick-home> Decimation:   yes
Aug 18 04:42:00 <Decimation> they dont for me :/
Aug 18 04:42:11 <egaudet> what does?
Aug 18 04:42:14 <Rick-home> did they get copied over?
Aug 18 04:42:32 <livewire1337> has anyone gotten a empty list templete to show up?
Aug 18 04:42:39 <Rick-home> yes
Aug 18 04:42:43 <dzx> anyone gotten the browser file downloader "1.1.0 okay" patch to work?
Aug 18 04:43:01 <livewire1337> my emtpy list template doesnt do anything
Aug 18 04:43:04 <Decimation> dzx: yes
Aug 18 04:43:10 <dzx> argh :(
Aug 18 04:43:13 <Rick-home> livewire1337:   you --really--  need to change your nick .    the sarcasm gets to be uh,  errr,   tiresome.
Aug 18 04:43:15 <Decimation> Rick-home: idk why they dont show up
Aug 18 04:43:39 <Rick-home> Decimation:   but did the images copy onto the pre?
Aug 18 04:43:53 <max_> egaudet: is there one or two simple commands I can type in to upgrade the keyboard from the very first release?
Aug 18 04:43:59 <Decimation> Rick-home: where was i supposed to copy them to?
Aug 18 04:44:09 <Decimation> i just updated the patch in quilt...
Aug 18 04:44:24 <Rick-home> did you remove it first ?
Aug 18 04:44:30 <Decimation> no :(
Aug 18 04:44:34 <egaudet> hmm I guess I gotta get those images out there huh
Aug 18 04:44:52 <Rick-home> egaudet:   it's going to be kinda hard to see them if they aren't in the patch.
Aug 18 04:44:59 <Rick-home> or something
Aug 18 04:45:25 <egaudet> is their a diff option for binary
Aug 18 04:46:34 <dzx> decimation-i have to create downloaddialog-assistant.js right?
Aug 18 04:46:50 <dzx> for browser download patch
Aug 18 04:47:26 <Decimation> http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198387-simple-howto-download-browser.html
Aug 18 04:47:29 <Decimation> i just followed that
Aug 18 04:47:45 <egaudet> would a git diff --binary create the .png images correctly from a patch? Or should I tar them up and script it?
Aug 18 04:47:47 <dzx> oh awesome, i was trying to do it from the webos-internals page :o thx
Aug 18 04:47:57 <max_> Decimation: how do you update in quilt? I ran the script on the wiki page but when I enter the line number of the patch to apply it doesnt seem to work
Aug 18 04:48:51 <PuffTheMagic> holy shit
Aug 18 04:48:59 <PuffTheMagic> pre boots fast at 600mhz
Aug 18 04:49:03 <PuffTheMagic> and runs like butter
Aug 18 04:49:20 <oil> and eats battery like its chocolate?
Aug 18 04:49:28 <PuffTheMagic> ondemand governor ftw!
Aug 18 04:49:38 <dzx> puff-are you running scaling? or full 600
Aug 18 04:49:43 <PuffTheMagic> ondemand
Aug 18 04:49:46 <PuffTheMagic> so yes scalling
Aug 18 04:49:58 <PuffTheMagic> its very low freq when its idle
Aug 18 04:50:03 <PuffTheMagic> and bumps up when needed
Aug 18 04:50:04 <dzx> any issues?
Aug 18 04:50:06 <PuffTheMagic> then goes back down
Aug 18 04:50:18 <dzx> w/ like nonresponsiveness when idle?
Aug 18 04:50:45 <PuffTheMagic> not that i've noticed yet
Aug 18 04:52:44 <JackieRipper> max_: do you get any errors?
Aug 18 04:52:56 <Rick-home> so,  why does geist say that scaling isn't going to help much?
Aug 18 04:53:06 <max_> JackieRipper: it just asks me for the line number again
Aug 18 04:53:16 <JackieRipper> hmmm
Aug 18 04:54:02 <JackieRipper> max_: can you pastbin the script and output of you running it?
Aug 18 04:54:20 <PuffTheMagic> well thats cause its not going down to low freqs
Aug 18 04:54:21 <PuffTheMagic> ;)
Aug 18 04:54:27 <PuffTheMagic> no wonder is fast as hell
Aug 18 04:54:59 <dzx> anyone know if the battery percentage patch on webos internals only shows %? or is the battery icon still there also?
Aug 18 04:55:23 <max_> JackieRipper: is just entering "10" the rigth way to enter a line number?
Aug 18 04:55:34 <heisenman-home> icon is still there
Aug 18 04:55:34 <JackieRipper> yes
Aug 18 04:55:42 <heisenman-home> dzx: Icon is still there
Aug 18 04:55:50 <dzx> thanks :)
Aug 18 04:55:52 <heisenman-home> The battery level just seems to be more accurate.
Aug 18 04:55:57 <max_> JackieRipper: http://pastebin.com/m18c50c45
Aug 18 04:56:38 <JackieRipper> ahhhh
Aug 18 04:57:03 <JackieRipper> you're supposed to put that in a file
Aug 18 04:58:04 <JackieRipper> edit /opt/bin/dopatch or some such and copy that script into it, then run "chmod +x /opt/bin/dopatch" (without quotes)
Aug 18 04:58:16 <JackieRipper> then run /opt/bin/dopatch
Aug 18 04:58:49 <max_> "edit /opt/bin/dopatch or some such and copy that script into it" can you expalin how I do that
Aug 18 04:59:17 <heisenman-home> max: vi /opt/bin/dopatch
Aug 18 04:59:26 <JackieRipper> what he said :)
Aug 18 04:59:26 <heisenman-home> type 'i' when you're in the file
Aug 18 04:59:33 <egaudet> Decimation,
Aug 18 04:59:42 <heisenman-home> copy and paste (with windows utilities) the text you wanted to put into the file
Aug 18 04:59:46 <Decimation> egaudet
Aug 18 04:59:48 <egaudet> pull and sh ./install_theme to get the images
Aug 18 04:59:50 <heisenman-home> when they're in, hit escape
Aug 18 04:59:58 <heisenman-home> then type ':wq<enter'
Aug 18 05:00:02 <heisenman-home> er
Aug 18 05:00:03 <heisenman-home> :wq
Aug 18 05:00:05 <heisenman-home> then enter
Aug 18 05:00:17 <heisenman-home> you should have made the file, with the correct contents in it.
Aug 18 05:00:55 <PuffTheMagic> ahh its not saying in low states cause gdb is using 80% of the cpu
Aug 18 05:01:00 <PuffTheMagic> cause wifipm keeps crashing
Aug 18 05:01:43 <crazyman> i changed my nick
Aug 18 05:01:59 * Rick-home bed
Aug 18 05:02:04 <Rick-home> face planting again.
Aug 18 05:02:10 <Rick-home> see you all tommorow
Aug 18 05:02:12 <crazyman> face planting!?
Aug 18 05:02:14 <Rick-home> egaudet:   congrats
Aug 18 05:02:27 <Rick-home> smashing face into keyboard as I fall asleep
Aug 18 05:02:30 <PuffTheMagic> top
Aug 18 05:02:33 <PuffTheMagic> oops
Aug 18 05:03:05 <crazyman> ugg my digital systems class starts this thursday -_-
Aug 18 05:03:36 <max_> heisenman-home: ok, I thik I did all that. how do I exit editing the file
Aug 18 05:03:52 <rwhitby> max_: did preware upgrade fix the reboot problem?
Aug 18 05:04:08 <heisenman-home> the part where you type :wq should have exited the file.
Aug 18 05:04:11 <max_> rwhitby: didnt try it yet
Aug 18 05:04:15 <heisenman-home> Do you see that string in the contents of the file?
Aug 18 05:04:43 <max_> nope
Aug 18 05:04:53 <heisenman-home> Do you see a command prompt now?
Aug 18 05:05:07 <max_> putty stopped working on me
Aug 18 05:05:12 <heisenman-home> uh
Aug 18 05:05:20 <max_> it happens unexpectedly all the time
Aug 18 05:05:21 <heisenman-home> see now, that's actually not supposed to happen :)
Aug 18 05:05:42 <crazyman> do you have it pluged in via usb?
Aug 18 05:05:49 <CIA-29> bzhou * r10565 optware/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs) - added bootstrap for linkstation with marvell kirkwood CPU
Aug 18 05:05:59 <max_> well, I am gonna give up for now. I gotta read and sleep. I gotta get up for cross country practice in 6.5 hours
Aug 18 05:06:08 <max_> and running on no sleep sucks
Aug 18 05:06:11 <crazyman> pwned!
Aug 18 05:54:58 <CIA-29> PuffTheMagic wiki * r4509 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Linux_Devfs_Files - New page: {| border="1"; padding=5 |- ! Device File ! Info |- | /dev/input/event0 | ''unknown'' |- | /dev/input/event1 | Gesture button |- | /dev/input/event2 | Keypad |- | /dev/input/event4 | ''unk...
Aug 18 05:58:47 <PuffTheMagic> eww
Aug 18 05:58:51 <PuffTheMagic> it spams that too
Aug 18 05:58:57 <geist> indeed
Aug 18 05:59:08 <PuffTheMagic> good thing the file wasnt bigger
Aug 18 06:00:01 <PuffTheMagic> geist: so no idea why lcd controls in mojo would disappear with a self built kernel?
Aug 18 06:00:09 <geist> eh?
Aug 18 06:00:21 <geist> i could think of a few million ways, yes
Aug 18 06:00:56 <geist> specifically: you changed something
Aug 18 06:01:06 <PuffTheMagic> well i used a stock config as you suggested
Aug 18 06:01:12 <geist> i seriously doubt it
Aug 18 06:01:24 <PuffTheMagic> 100% stock
Aug 18 06:01:39 <geist> absolutely 100% precisely the patches we provided, with the exact same config?
Aug 18 06:01:45 <geist> installed 100% precisely correctly?
Aug 18 06:01:51 <PuffTheMagic> another person who tried building a kernel had the same issue
Aug 18 06:02:12 <PuffTheMagic> geist: well not 100% exact since i cant build the binary wifi module
Aug 18 06:02:18 <PuffTheMagic> so if its related to that then ok
Aug 18 06:02:21 <PuffTheMagic> but
Aug 18 06:02:34 <PuffTheMagic> i can change led backlight and brightness from linux
Aug 18 06:02:38 <geist> no, but if you build it precisely that way it shouldn't matter, the wifi module should load
Aug 18 06:02:39 <PuffTheMagic> by writing to /sys files
Aug 18 06:03:07 <tmzt> geist: earlier, I meant the community may have bern able to write that tool assuming the details had been available
Aug 18 06:03:16 <tmzt> but we should have asked
Aug 18 06:03:19 <geist> tmzt: ...?
Aug 18 06:03:27 <tmzt> novacom
Aug 18 06:03:36 <geist> tmzt: what were we talking about?
Aug 18 06:04:15 <tmzt> you referred to the tool you wrote being misattributed to the community
Aug 18 06:04:29 <geist> huh? when did i say that?
Aug 18 06:04:59 <geist> well, i think you read it that way
Aug 18 06:05:01 <geist> but its not what i meant
Aug 18 06:05:47 <tmzt> oh, ok
Aug 18 06:07:58 <hckyplayer024> has anyone been able to successfully install the new onscreen keyboard with the images?
Aug 18 06:08:46 <geist> PuffTheMagic: anyway, i dont know offhand
Aug 18 06:08:57 <geist> but as far as i know if you build it precisely the same way, everything should work
Aug 18 06:09:02 <geist> including loading the wifi module
Aug 18 06:09:11 <geist> its not keyed of an exact kernel version or anything
Aug 18 06:09:17 <geist> just whether or not the api matches
Aug 18 06:09:32 <tmzt> no symbol versions?
Aug 18 06:09:38 <tmzt> module
Aug 18 06:09:40 <geist> no, i think we turned it off
Aug 18 06:09:44 <PuffTheMagic> i know i could get wifi working if i used the stock extraversion
Aug 18 06:09:54 <PuffTheMagic> im not too worried about that
Aug 18 06:09:57 <tmzt> yeah
Aug 18 06:10:05 <tmzt> that's mod versions
Aug 18 06:10:05 <PuffTheMagic> unless you think its breaking the display stuff
Aug 18 06:10:19 <tmzt> modinfo should tell you
Aug 18 06:10:27 <tmzt> how can it be?
Aug 18 06:10:40 <tmzt> the config must be wrong
Aug 18 06:11:17 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: what are you talking about
Aug 18 06:11:35 <tmzt> which?
Aug 18 06:11:44 <PuffTheMagic> i specifically changed the extraversion in the kernel i built... i know that prevents me from loading the wifi binary
Aug 18 06:11:47 <tmzt> there's a missing sysfs entry?
Aug 18 06:11:49 <PuffTheMagic> i dont care about that right now
Aug 18 06:11:59 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: no missing sysfs entry either
Aug 18 06:12:01 <tmzt> right
Aug 18 06:12:06 <PuffTheMagic> i can turn on/off lcd backlight from cli
Aug 18 06:12:11 <PuffTheMagic> and i can change brightness
Aug 18 06:12:16 <tmzt> geist said mod versions where off
Aug 18 06:12:19 <PuffTheMagic> but in mojo its full brightness
Aug 18 06:12:31 <PuffTheMagic> and the brighness slider dont do anything
Aug 18 06:12:34 <tmzt> if the extraversion matters they must be on, I think on yours
Aug 18 06:12:37 <PuffTheMagic> and the power button dont turn of lcd
Aug 18 06:12:48 <tmzt> geist: sd8686 is gpl marvell driver?
Aug 18 06:12:56 <geist> duhno
Aug 18 06:13:04 <geist> its definitely the wifi stuff
Aug 18 06:13:13 <tmzt> yeah
Aug 18 06:13:28 <tmzt> but why isn't it buildable I mean
Aug 18 06:13:49 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: its not in the kernel tree they provide
Aug 18 06:14:00 <geist> we build it as an external module
Aug 18 06:14:06 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think it was in mainline at .24 time
Aug 18 06:14:12 <tmzt> there's mvl and libertas
Aug 18 06:14:16 <PuffTheMagic> geist: wifi modules should always be built as external module
Aug 18 06:14:25 <PuffTheMagic> since they need firmware
Aug 18 06:14:30 <tmzt> why is that?
Aug 18 06:14:32 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: libertas dont work
Aug 18 06:14:43 <tmzt> oh
Aug 18 06:14:48 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: cause usually rootfs needs to get mounted first so that firmware can be loaded
Aug 18 06:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> so if u build in the wifi module
Aug 18 06:15:00 <PuffTheMagic> it will fail cause there is no firmware available
Aug 18 06:15:02 <tmzt> yes
Aug 18 06:15:07 <PuffTheMagic> and then you cant modprobe it to fix it cause its built in
Aug 18 06:15:09 <tmzt> but not the same thing
Aug 18 06:15:22 <tmzt> externel is not the same as module
Aug 18 06:15:28 <hckyplayer024> has anyone been able to successfully install the new onscreen keyboard with the images?
Aug 18 06:15:38 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/marvell.git
Aug 18 06:15:41 <tmzt> modules can be built intree
Aug 18 06:15:42 <PuffTheMagic> i think its in there
Aug 18 06:15:50 <tmzt> ok
Aug 18 06:16:11 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: yes everything that dont need external firmwares could be built into the kernel
Aug 18 06:16:21 <PuffTheMagic> or if you want a non functions wifi card build that in too
Aug 18 06:16:25 <tmzt> well
Aug 18 06:16:37 <tmzt> still not what I said
Aug 18 06:17:12 <PuffTheMagic> <tmzt> modules can be built intree
Aug 18 06:17:15 <PuffTheMagic> what did u mean then
Aug 18 06:17:23 <tmzt> CONFIG_MARVELL=m or whatever in .config should build a module
Aug 18 06:17:29 <tmzt> in tree
Aug 18 06:17:45 <tmzt> if the driver is in kbuild files
Aug 18 06:18:07 <PuffTheMagic> we need CONFIG_SD8686
Aug 18 06:18:09 <PuffTheMagic> or something like that
Aug 18 06:18:10 <tmzt> but your statement, wifi modules should be built external
Aug 18 06:18:11 <dzx> monitor mode work?
Aug 18 06:18:12 <tmzt> yes
Aug 18 06:18:20 <tmzt> not dzx
Aug 18 06:18:23 <tmzt> no idea
Aug 18 06:18:28 <dzx> :( got excited for a sec
Aug 18 06:18:41 <tmzt> if lbs would work
Aug 18 06:18:42 <PuffTheMagic> well i just rebased that .22 marvell branch to .24 and then merged it
Aug 18 06:18:45 <PuffTheMagic> gonna see if it works
Aug 18 06:18:45 <tmzt> libertas
Aug 18 06:18:50 <tmzt> it should
Aug 18 06:18:56 <PuffTheMagic> hmmm
Aug 18 06:19:00 <PuffTheMagic> its alrady in wtf
Aug 18 06:19:07 <PuffTheMagic> i dont, i tried
Aug 18 06:19:15 <tmzt> right
Aug 18 06:19:19 <tmzt> you said
Aug 18 06:19:24 <PuffTheMagic> oops i checked out wrong branch
Aug 18 06:19:40 <PuffTheMagic> too much multitasking
Aug 18 06:19:46 <PuffTheMagic> getting distractefd
Aug 18 06:19:54 <tmzt> in drivers/net/wireless?
Aug 18 06:20:03 <tmzt> Makefile
Aug 18 06:20:39 <tmzt> config-$(CONFIG_SD8686) += marvell
Aug 18 06:20:44 <tmzt> or whatever
Aug 18 06:20:52 <tmzt> config-$(CONFIG_SD8686) += marvell/
Aug 18 06:22:44 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: grepping for SD8686 returns nothing
Aug 18 06:24:01 <tmzt> PuffTheMagic: it wouldn't
Aug 18 06:24:09 <tmzt> you have to add it
Aug 18 06:24:25 <tmzt> what's in that git?
Aug 18 06:32:59 <PuffTheMagic> tmzt: got any ideas where i would get a patch with it?
Aug 18 06:33:19 <tmzt> what?
Aug 18 06:33:42 <tmzt> what is the layout of that git?
Aug 18 06:34:35 <PuffTheMagic> what do you mean by that
Aug 18 06:34:45 <PuffTheMagic> its a normal kernel git repo
Aug 18 06:35:14 <tmzt> is it a kernel?
Aug 18 06:35:26 <tmzt> just a driver?
Aug 18 06:35:31 <PuffTheMagic> kernel
Aug 18 06:35:33 <PuffTheMagic> full kernel
Aug 18 06:35:36 <tmzt> Kconfig/Makefile
Aug 18 06:35:38 <tmzt> oh
Aug 18 06:35:41 <tmzt> well
Aug 18 06:36:01 <tmzt> look under drivers/net/wireless then
Aug 18 06:36:27 <tmzt> actually, check the commit log
Aug 18 06:36:36 <tmzt> should tell you
Aug 18 06:36:41 <tmzt> gitweb link?
Aug 18 06:36:57 <PuffTheMagic> i did
Aug 18 06:37:03 <PuffTheMagic> there is nothing
Aug 18 06:37:25 <PuffTheMagic> do you have any idea where the patch for this code is on the net
Aug 18 06:37:35 <PuffTheMagic> forget about that repo i mentioned
Aug 18 06:37:35 <tmzt> no
Aug 18 06:37:45 <tmzt> just mvl site
Aug 18 06:37:55 <tmzt> but that's probably a tar
Aug 18 06:38:10 <tmzt> is there a commit in the bin driver?
Aug 18 06:38:22 <tmzt> modinfo sd8686
Aug 18 06:38:59 <tmzt> hckyplayer024: talk to egaudet
Aug 18 06:39:12 <hckyplayer024> is he on now?
Aug 18 06:39:27 <egaudet> yes
Aug 18 06:40:00 <hckyplayer024> hi egaudet
Aug 18 06:40:09 <hckyplayer024> I tried to install the new kb patch
Aug 18 06:40:22 <hckyplayer024> and I think i was successful because it looks different
Aug 18 06:40:28 <hckyplayer024> but the images arent there
Aug 18 06:40:40 <egaudet> is the ? in the symbols?
Aug 18 06:40:44 <hckyplayer024> and orange button still doesnt work (dont know if you got a chance to fix it
Aug 18 06:40:50 <tmzt> quilt can't handle them?
Aug 18 06:41:09 <hckyplayer024> there's nothing there
Aug 18 06:41:26 <hckyplayer024> the letters show the what letter the button is
Aug 18 06:41:33 <hckyplayer024> but everything else is missing
Aug 18 06:41:58 <hckyplayer024> i can push where the upside down question mark used to be and it works but the box is blank
Aug 18 06:42:09 <hckyplayer024> would a screenshot be helpful egaudet?
Aug 18 06:43:00 <egaudet> yea
Aug 18 06:43:11 <hckyplayer024> okay give me a sec
Aug 18 06:43:23 <hckyplayer024> e-mail it to you or image shack?
Aug 18 06:43:37 <egaudet> did you run the install_theme script?
Aug 18 06:43:43 <hckyplayer024> no
Aug 18 06:43:43 <egaudet> shack it
Aug 18 06:43:55 <hckyplayer024> i didn't see where that was
Aug 18 06:43:59 <hckyplayer024> or know it was seperate
Aug 18 06:44:04 <egaudet> run sh /opt/src/modifications/frameworks/install_theme
Aug 18 06:44:08 <egaudet> that will put the images in place
Aug 18 06:44:15 <PuffTheMagic> ahh gotem
Aug 18 06:46:19 <egaudet> hckyplayer024, how'd that go?
Aug 18 06:46:24 <hckyplayer024> perfect!
Aug 18 06:47:04 <hckyplayer024> i also talked to you yesterday and I wansnt able to figure out how to unhide the web bar in the browser when in landscape mode
Aug 18 06:47:12 <hckyplayer024> a little beyond me :(
Aug 18 06:52:32 <egaudet> Ok, are you comfortable enough editting a file?
Aug 18 06:52:59 <hckyplayer024> yeah
Aug 18 06:55:40 <hckyplayer024> im just not too great browsing around in terminal
Aug 18 06:56:06 <hckyplayer024> I have SFTP working however I can't edit files with SFTP it says i dont have permission
Aug 18 06:59:08 <egaudet> OK well it's not as quick a one-liner like I thought it would be, so I'll have to look into providing a patch for it
Aug 18 07:00:21 <hckyplayer024> okay egaudet thanks, I like the new layout it's a lot nicer
Aug 18 07:01:21 * rwhitby has completed Last-Updated: support in the preware open standard feeds
Aug 18 07:01:24 <egaudet> It will also be customizeable soon enough
Aug 18 07:01:35 <rwhitby> oil: over to you now to support it in the Preware app :-)
Aug 18 07:02:33 <oil> ill see what i can get going tomorrow evening
Aug 18 07:02:39 <oil> i need more then 3 hours of sleep tonight
Aug 18 07:02:42 * oil hits the sack
Aug 18 07:04:25 <Decimation> egaudet: i got the images working fine :)
Aug 18 07:04:43 <Decimation> now all you need to do is change the image when pressed to give feedback it was pressed.
Aug 18 07:07:24 <hckyplayer024> also, I recently patched my e-mail to allow landscape viewing and now it wont load my emails. When im in the inbox I can see the subject and normal preview of the message but when i open the message it just has a white screen where all the body is supposed to go. any ideas?
Aug 18 07:08:33 <egaudet> Decimation, yea but that won't come for a little while.  Gotta get back to trying to wok on this auto-correct and search fields :(
Aug 18 07:09:03 <Decimation> edgaudet: and making the textbox position changable by a vertical scroll, right? :)
Aug 18 07:11:42 <egaudet> yea im on that
Aug 18 07:11:52 <egaudet> it's moving, but it's shrinking horizontally! :(
Aug 18 07:16:54 <hckyplayer024> well egaudet, your definately making great progress. I know a lot of people didnt think it could be done but it youve proved them all wrong and even typing when in horizontal mode I make very few mistakes
Aug 18 07:17:34 <hckyplayer024> and once autocorrect is working it will be perfect since I already patched my autocorrect to correct words where I am off by one letter to the left or right
Aug 18 07:19:13 <egaudet> :) I'm glad that you are making good use of it
Aug 18 07:20:27 <hckyplayer024> oh yes definitely! sometimes its so nice to not have to open the keyboard to type a nice and short message
Aug 18 07:20:44 <hckyplayer024> now if only palm would allow all applications to be in landscape mode
Aug 18 07:27:37 <k4p741nkrunch> could someone help me update my currently applied onscreen keyboard patch to the newer version using quilt?
Aug 18 07:28:08 <k4p741nkrunch> I did a git pull and tried importing again, but it said the patch was already applied
Aug 18 07:29:17 <MLJones8> I have tried with pretty much no success... I think there may be a few small pieces of script to be edited before its ready for mass re-installation
Aug 18 07:29:33 <egaudet> i just updated both scripts
Aug 18 07:29:44 <egaudet> you both should now be able to do the following
Aug 18 07:29:49 <egaudet> cd /opt/src/modificatios
Aug 18 07:29:52 <egaudet> cd /opt/src/modifications
Aug 18 07:29:53 <egaudet> git pull
Aug 18 07:30:06 <egaudet> sh /opt/src/modifications/install add-onscreen-keyboard.patch
Aug 18 07:30:18 <egaudet> sh /opt/src/modifications/frameworks/install_theme
Aug 18 07:30:40 <k4p741nkrunch> thanks
Aug 18 07:31:18 <k4p741nkrunch> wow you meant JUST updated
Aug 18 07:31:39 <egaudet> did it work k4p741nkrunch ?
Aug 18 07:32:13 <MLJones8> egaudet:  I guess I goofed by removeing the patch earlier when I couldn't get it to work.. i pop it and deleted it... so now I get: Please visit http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches
Aug 18 07:32:28 <MLJones8> egaudet: now i get:
Aug 18 07:32:30 <k4p741nkrunch> Yeah it did
Aug 18 07:32:38 <k4p741nkrunch> Wow, that's a great script
Aug 18 07:32:59 <k4p741nkrunch> pops the old version, removes from series, then imports and pushes the new one
Aug 18 07:33:16 <k4p741nkrunch> Can that script be used for all new patches?
Aug 18 07:33:24 <egaudet> yes
Aug 18 07:33:28 <Decimation> egaudet: it shrinks?
Aug 18 07:33:30 <MLJones8> .... Pulling latest git tree... Already up to date... checking for patch... verifyting... remounting... poping... No patch removed, Error: could not pop patch
Aug 18 07:33:34 <egaudet> and you can pass -l to the script to list all patches
Aug 18 07:34:05 <egaudet> Decimation, yea a chunk gets cut off the right side when the dragger starts moving it and it never gives it back.  I'll figure it out tomorrow
Aug 18 07:34:22 <egaudet> MLJones8, ok at that point in time do this
Aug 18 07:34:23 <Decimation> egaudet: yeah, i say sleep on it.
Aug 18 07:34:23 <egaudet> cd /
Aug 18 07:34:25 <egaudet> quilt push
Aug 18 07:35:06 <k4p741nkrunch> ooh one thing, the install script puts it back into read only mode, the install theme script does not put it back into read write
Aug 18 07:35:39 <MLJones8> egaudet, that gives me a Hunk #1 failed at 1.  rejects in file urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_glowssy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:36:13 <egaudet> MLJones8, rm urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_glowssy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:36:20 <Decimation> okay, so we have a beast installer being made.. we have an on-screen keyboard that is improving each day, we have a terminal, we have a way to apply patches, now all we need is a video recorder and audo recorder.
Aug 18 07:36:26 <egaudet> and rm urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_boxy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:36:33 <egaudet> and rm urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_glossy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:36:49 <k4p741nkrunch> decimation, terminal should have been first on that list
Aug 18 07:36:50 <egaudet> rm those 2, and then run cd /, quilt push again
Aug 18 07:37:01 <k4p741nkrunch> With that I can apply patches over evdo :D
Aug 18 07:37:32 <Decimation> k4p741nkrunch: i didnt list them in any specific order so no.. making it first would have no significance :P
Aug 18 07:38:18 <k4p741nkrunch> regardless, spot on!
Aug 18 07:39:09 <k4p741nkrunch> Is there a button combo for previous entered commands into the terminal?
Aug 18 07:39:15 <k4p741nkrunch> On the pre of course
Aug 18 07:40:08 <egaudet> MLJones8, how's it going?
Aug 18 07:41:04 <MLJones8> egaudet: No such file or directory for all three of the above
Aug 18 07:41:23 <egaudet> rm /urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_glossy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:41:30 <egaudet> rm /urs/palm/frameworks/mojo/submissions/191.15/images/virt_kb/black_boxy/theme_config.json
Aug 18 07:41:35 <egaudet> sorry forgot the leading /
Aug 18 07:41:44 <MLJones8> I added the leading /
Aug 18 07:42:30 <egaudet> change urs to usr
Aug 18 07:42:56 <k4p741nkrunch> yeah after a reboot I don't even have the latest patch let alone the theme
Aug 18 07:43:01 <k4p741nkrunch> no landscape support
Aug 18 07:43:43 <k4p741nkrunch> lemme try that script again, dunno what happened
Aug 18 07:44:47 <MLJones8> egaudet: that would help.... now after the push do I need to re-do those first two scripts?
Aug 18 07:45:35 <MLJones8> and git pull in the modifications directory first and foremost?
Aug 18 07:45:59 <egaudet> no, the install script replaces the quilt pop/push steps
Aug 18 07:46:03 <egaudet> so one or the other
Aug 18 07:46:22 <egaudet> let me fix the install script to re-import
Aug 18 07:46:26 <egaudet> it is missing that step
Aug 18 07:46:39 <MLJones8> Ok
Aug 18 07:48:45 <k4p741nkrunch> is just says verifying patch is in quilt series after checking for patch in quilt series, doesn't show any re-importing
Aug 18 07:48:57 <egaudet> ok updated
Aug 18 07:49:01 <egaudet> install script should work
Aug 18 07:49:34 <egaudet> and MLJones8 you shouldn't need to re-run install_theme
Aug 18 07:49:34 <k4p741nkrunch> ALso, for some reason, even though I imagine you aren't doing a quilt pop-a, it pops and reapplies all my patches
Aug 18 07:49:48 <k4p741nkrunch> I think it's my quilt, every time I try to push/pop an individual patch, it tries it like it had the -a flag
Aug 18 07:50:27 <MLJones8> egaudet: k... now rebooting will report back
Aug 18 07:52:03 <egaudet> k4p741nkrunch, yea the script isn't naming the patch so it's just doing quilt pop
Aug 18 07:52:52 <MLJones8> I thought a basic pop or push w/o name or all would just do the top most patch... is that not the case?
Aug 18 07:52:59 <k4p741nkrunch> hmm, can't run install_theme
Aug 18 07:53:54 <k4p741nkrunch> ls shows its not there
Aug 18 07:54:11 <egaudet> well I just changed the script to do pop -a and push -a, so always should do all
Aug 18 07:54:12 <k4p741nkrunch> nvvvvm
Aug 18 07:54:23 <k4p741nkrunch> it's in the frameworks folder, I'm an idiot
Aug 18 07:54:24 <jauderho> um
Aug 18 07:54:40 <jauderho> who added frameworks/kb_themes.tar to the repo?
Aug 18 07:54:50 <egaudet> me JackieRipper
Aug 18 07:54:52 <egaudet> jauderho,
Aug 18 07:55:07 <egaudet> damn tab completio
Aug 18 07:55:26 <jauderho> oh okay. I was going to bitch about not gzipping
Aug 18 07:55:28 <jauderho> but then realized
Aug 18 07:55:33 <jauderho> it;s all png
Aug 18 07:55:43 <k4p741nkrunch> rebooting now after running both scripts
Aug 18 07:55:44 <jauderho> I dont suppose you squished the pngs
Aug 18 07:56:05 <egaudet> I got them from remix2000 on the precentral forums
Aug 18 07:56:08 <jauderho> either through smush.it or pngcrush
Aug 18 07:56:20 <jauderho> you should run it through those. saves space.
Aug 18 07:56:36 <jauderho> and it's fairly noticeable space savings usually.
Aug 18 07:56:48 <jauderho> try http://smush.it/
Aug 18 07:56:51 <MLJones8> egaudet: now it works well done and thanks for your help
Aug 18 07:56:57 <egaudet> OK, I will do that tomorrow then, definitely need to save space on this thing
Aug 18 07:57:04 <egaudet> MLJones8, no problem, enjoy
Aug 18 07:57:21 <jauderho> someone commited this too
Aug 18 07:57:22 <jauderho> frameworks/.install_theme.swp
Aug 18 07:57:37 <jauderho> not needed =)
Aug 18 07:57:38 <egaudet> damnit
Aug 18 07:57:52 <egaudet> should stop pushing things at 3-4am :(
Aug 18 07:57:55 <jauderho> YOU SUCKED UP 12K
Aug 18 07:57:58 <jauderho> =)
Aug 18 07:58:50 <jauderho> yeah kb_themes could use some squishing. just noticed it takes up 300+k
Aug 18 07:58:54 <k4p741nkrunch> hmm, still old onscreen keyboard
Aug 18 08:00:00 <egaudet> jauderho, I will definitely squish them.  I was also thinking about transferring the themes to /media/internals since there is no reason they need to be in palm's framework
Aug 18 08:00:17 <jauderho> absolutely
Aug 18 08:00:33 <jauderho> in fact you should probably remove it and tell people to curl/wget it.
Aug 18 08:01:30 <egaudet> Yea that's probably good idea
Aug 18 08:02:50 <egaudet> alright well I need to get some sleep
Aug 18 08:04:27 <egaudet|Away> k4p741nkrunch, let me know how it goes
Aug 18 08:08:34 <k4p741nkrunch> I still have the old keyboard but I think I know why
Aug 18 08:08:51 <k4p741nkrunch> I used my computer to ssh into my phone instead of using the terminal
Aug 18 08:09:07 <k4p741nkrunch> Realized that the patches have all been sorted into categories now
Aug 18 08:09:32 <k4p741nkrunch> I had in my quilt series /opt/src/patches/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch
Aug 18 08:10:07 <k4p741nkrunch> pretty sure that should be /opt/src/modifications/frameworks/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch
Aug 18 08:10:26 <k4p741nkrunch> So I popped em all and I'm deleting and re-obtaining em all
Aug 18 08:10:28 <rwhitby> no, the series file records the local name
Aug 18 08:10:41 <rwhitby> the modifications path is where you import from
Aug 18 08:11:13 <k4p741nkrunch> ok, so I guess the categories shouldn't make a difference
Aug 18 08:11:40 <k4p741nkrunch> well I totally deleted the old keyboard patch now, so lemme rerun the install script
Aug 18 08:15:12 <k4p741nkrunch> alright and now the reboot
Aug 18 08:15:29 <k4p741nkrunch> thanks for remounting rw access in the theme script :D
Aug 18 08:18:14 <k4p741nkrunch> Ahah!
Aug 18 08:18:18 <k4p741nkrunch> got it!
Aug 18 08:18:49 <k4p741nkrunch> Oh, and none of the keys work
Aug 18 08:19:27 <k4p741nkrunch> hmm, okay I take that back, not for the title of the email
Aug 18 08:21:28 <k4p741nkrunch> Have you seen the patch for the LED on new message?
Aug 18 09:11:25 <Ikyo> anyone around?
Aug 18 13:19:29 <Ikyo> morning all
Aug 18 13:21:35 <epyon22> my preware wont get past updating any more after the update
Aug 18 14:39:15 <epyon22> is any one having problems with preware after the update?
Aug 18 14:40:24 <mrjcarter> epyon22, yeah, I'm still spinning at the updating screen
Aug 18 14:40:52 <epyon22> mrjcarter: you havent found a fix for it?
Aug 18 14:41:21 <mrjcarter> after I updated to 0.5.1 it was working, but after updating a couple apps it stopped
Aug 18 14:41:36 <epyon22> from what im seeing i think its because ipkg is throwing an error
Aug 18 14:41:39 <epyon22> in terminal
Aug 18 14:41:44 <mrjcarter> namely, the terminal, terminal service, and package service
Aug 18 14:41:56 <PuffTheMagic> things with postinstalls wont work yet
Aug 18 14:42:09 <epyon22> ?
Aug 18 14:42:27 <PuffTheMagic> you cant use Preware to install terminal
Aug 18 14:42:31 <PuffTheMagic> cause it needs termplugin
Aug 18 14:42:40 <PuffTheMagic> and termplugin needs postinst support
Aug 18 14:42:57 <epyon22> oh i didnt do that when i updated preware now it wont get past the update screen
Aug 18 14:42:57 <mrjcarter> PuffTheMagic, but why would that cause Preware itself to stop updating?
Aug 18 14:43:57 <PuffTheMagic> do you have the event.d file for ipkgservice?
Aug 18 14:44:25 <epyon22> where would that be at?
Aug 18 14:45:05 <czarphanguye> mrjcarter & epyon22 ditto to the 0.5.1 upgrade just 'spinning'
Aug 18 14:45:30 * oil tryed to tell them 0.5.1 didn't fix it
Aug 18 14:45:58 <epyon22> whos working on it?
Aug 18 14:46:22 <oil> puff and rwhitby have been working on the service
Aug 18 14:46:30 <oil> its not the mojo apps fault
Aug 18 14:46:41 <oil> xD
Aug 18 14:46:43 <epyon22> i think it might be a bug in the ipkg service
Aug 18 14:47:01 <epyon22> cause i cant even update manually through terminal
Aug 18 14:47:26 <destinal> manually doesn't use the ipkg service
Aug 18 14:47:43 <destinal> it uses ipkg by hand, different thing altogether
Aug 18 14:48:28 <czarphanguye> k, got it.  if you have root access that is
Aug 18 14:48:45 <czarphanguye> `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` then `sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst`
Aug 18 14:49:03 <epyon22> that will fix it?
Aug 18 14:49:09 <czarphanguye> yeah, now it's running fine
Aug 18 14:49:17 <oil> try it after a reboot
Aug 18 14:49:22 <czarphanguye> oil: did reboot
Aug 18 14:49:23 <epyon22> so it was a post install problem
Aug 18 14:49:28 <oil> (there was problems with it not stating too)
Aug 18 14:49:40 <oil> starting&*
Aug 18 14:51:56 <epyon22> ugh that cmd always disables evdo screwing up ssh
Aug 18 14:52:10 * czarphanguye is on wifi
Aug 18 14:52:47 <xalbo> Is "Available Patches" not implemented yet, or is there something that needs to be done to enable it?
Aug 18 14:53:01 * crazyman is here
Aug 18 14:53:01 <epyon22> cool it works now
Aug 18 14:53:53 <oil> you need to have packages that need updating
Aug 18 14:53:57 <oil> then it will list something
Aug 18 14:54:10 <gkatsev> lmorchard: i got ++ed on another channel that keeps track of karma cuz i tweeted your RCSs philosophy
Aug 18 14:54:10 <oil> oh
Aug 18 14:54:12 <oil> patches
Aug 18 14:54:12 <oil> no
Aug 18 14:54:14 <oil> that doesn't work
Aug 18 14:54:45 <epyon22> that'll be really cool when it does
Aug 18 14:55:35 <epyon22> this preware app is wayy better than filecoaster
Aug 18 14:55:37 <lmorchard> gkatsev: Heh, nice :)
Aug 18 14:56:02 <gkatsev> lmorchard: so, thanks, i guess, lol
Aug 18 14:56:43 <crazyman> does preware have all the apps that are on precentral.net?
Aug 18 14:56:59 <oil> and pimp my pre
Aug 18 14:56:59 <gkatsev> crazyman: i believe all the ones in the homebrew apps gallery
Aug 18 14:57:04 <crazyman> or do the developers have to post their apps to both locations
Aug 18 14:57:05 <oil> and webos-internals
Aug 18 14:57:21 <crazyman> ok
Aug 18 14:57:23 <crazyman> cool
Aug 18 14:58:14 <crazyman> so do homebrew devs have to post their apps to different locations - one for precentral.net and one for preware?
Aug 18 14:58:27 <oil> no
Aug 18 14:58:42 <xalbo> The main thing that I wish preware would do is display apps with the most recently updated first.
Aug 18 14:59:26 <oil> the service was changed yesterday
Aug 18 14:59:28 <oil> to allow the app to do it
Aug 18 14:59:29 <xalbo> So I could easily see new ones, and ones that have been updated into usefulness (sometimes I'll see one and think "Hmm, that looks like it'll be nice in a couple of versions")
Aug 18 14:59:58 <oil> which i was going to implement in the mojo this evening
Aug 18 15:00:54 <xalbo> Excellent!
Aug 18 15:03:25 <PuffTheMagic> epyon22: dont hold your breath for patch support in Preware
Aug 18 15:03:39 <epyon22> :(
Aug 18 15:10:23 * oil takes a deep breath and holds
Aug 18 15:11:02 <oil> no quilt service, or whatever it is you guys use to work with patches?
Aug 18 15:15:34 <dijital1> hmm
Aug 18 15:18:39 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  If it doesn't go into PreWare,  "PatchMaster" is going to get written at some point.   the security is a nightmare, but it pretty much has to happen.
Aug 18 15:26:49 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: it does not have to happen, if if you want to write something like that go ahead
Aug 18 15:26:59 <PuffTheMagic> i'd rather we figure out something dynamic
Aug 18 15:27:05 <PuffTheMagic> so we dont have to touch palm files
Aug 18 15:34:35 <heisenman> Reporting in: it's too early to be reporting in :P
Aug 18 15:34:56 <heisenman> Updated to 0.5.1 just now, everything works fine.
Aug 18 15:35:23 <heisenman> I think the non-softlink fix you guys did last night fixed any obvious bugs; preware is working great.
Aug 18 15:39:02 <enio> anyone can tell me from where i can download that preware app?
Aug 18 15:40:43 <heisenman> webos-internals
Aug 18 15:40:54 <heisenman> do a google search for webos internals preware
Aug 18 15:41:01 <heisenman> follow the directions TO THE LETTER
Aug 18 15:41:13 <heisenman> There are some funky bits, and if you do them wrong/out of order, it will not work.
Aug 18 15:41:30 <heisenman> But it's really cool when it does :)
Aug 18 15:44:20 <crazyman> is there a update service or homebrew apps yet?
Aug 18 15:44:26 <crazyman> for*
Aug 18 15:44:58 <crazyman> like for apps downloaded from preware or filecoasuter
Aug 18 15:45:24 <mikedg> yeah
Aug 18 15:45:35 <mikedg> preupdate
Aug 18 15:48:53 <enio> ok working good
Aug 18 15:48:53 <enio> ;]
Aug 18 15:49:00 <enio> thx heisenman_atwork
Aug 18 16:15:06 <Saiks> Hi all... How do i refer to the contents of a textfirld in a different function. Example to read contents in a button function
Aug 18 16:16:16 <xalbo> When you created the textfield, you should have assigned it a model object.  You just need to read the value out of the model.
Aug 18 16:16:54 <Saiks> yes but the model is empty
Aug 18 16:17:30 <czarphanguye> Where are the changelogs posted?  to see what'd diff between 0.5.0 and 0.5.1
Aug 18 16:18:35 <xalbo> Hmm.  I thought the model should have a property named "value" (by default; you can tell it to use something else) with the value of the textfield.
Aug 18 16:19:22 <Rick_work> Saiks  is it in the same SCENE?
Aug 18 16:19:49 <Rick_work> because you ought to be able to do  this.widgetname.model.value
Aug 18 16:19:58 <Saiks> this is what i got: http://webos.pastebin.com/m8815c64
Aug 18 16:20:00 <Rick_work> if it is in the same scene.....
Aug 18 16:20:38 <Rick_work> so why is your model blank?
Aug 18 16:21:12 <Rick_work> since normally you would want to specify value: ""  in the model
Aug 18 16:21:24 <Rick_work> so that you could refer to the value property ofthe model of the widget
Aug 18 16:21:48 <xalbo> or in this case original: "" (since you're setting modelProperty to "original"
Aug 18 16:21:53 <Saiks> So in the model put (value: "") ... right
Aug 18 16:22:34 <Rick_work> no.  in the attributes you set the modelProperty to "orignial"  so it as xalbo said should be original: = ""
Aug 18 16:22:38 <Saiks> Ok, original: "" in the model function
Aug 18 16:22:51 <Saiks> Ok thanks
Aug 18 16:23:09 <Rick_work> now, since in the attributes you did set a textFieldName you could also,,,,  do $('username').value   I think.  since the value of the text field is in the dom.
Aug 18 16:23:34 <CIA-29> clameter * r8d38eadb7a97 kernel/drivers/char/mmtimer.c - [PATCH] mmtimer build fix
Aug 18 16:23:35 <CIA-29> neilb * rbaaa2c512dc1 kernel/drivers/md/md.c - [PATCH] Avoid deadlock in sync_page_io by using GFP_NOIO
Aug 18 16:23:37 <CIA-29> akpm * r2d137c24e9f4 kernel/arch/arm/mm/fault.c - [PATCH] arm: fix SIGBUS handling
Aug 18 16:23:37 <CIA-29> akpm * r7aa52f5128b0 kernel/arch/arm/mach-ixp4xx/Kconfig - [PATCH] arm: fix help text for ixdp465
Aug 18 16:23:41 <CIA-29> akpm * r7a228aaa879c kernel/include/asm-arm/dma-mapping.h - [PATCH] arm: add comment about dma_supported()
Aug 18 16:23:43 <CIA-29> akpm * rd42ce812b8a3 kernel/arch/arm/mm/init.c - [PATCH] arm: add comment about max_low_pfn/max_pfn
Aug 18 16:23:47 <CIA-29> dedekind * r9ffb7146f0aa kernel/crypto/deflate.c - [PATCH] crypto: call zlib end functions on deflate exit path
Aug 18 16:23:48 <CIA-29> James.Bottomley * r81ddef77bb77 kernel/ (include/linux/workqueue.h kernel/workqueue.c) - [PATCH] re-export cancel_rearming_delayed_workqueue
Aug 18 16:23:51 <CIA-29> akpm * re493073d8d05 kernel/fs/ (ext2/acl.c ext3/acl.c) - [PATCH] Fix acl Oops
Aug 18 16:23:53 <CIA-29> stsp * r5df240826c90 kernel/arch/i386/kernel/ (entry.S process.c) - [PATCH] fix crash in entry.S restore_all
Aug 18 16:23:56 <CIA-29> davem * r51410d3c53d8 kernel/kernel/compat.c - [PATCH] Fix get_compat_sigevent()
Aug 18 16:24:00 <CIA-29> akpm * r1db7fc75a410 kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv-cards.c - [PATCH] fix Bug 4395: modprobe bttv freezes the computer
Aug 18 16:24:03 <CIA-29> jmorris * r388c69789a2a kernel/security/selinux/nlmsgtab.c - [PATCH] SELinux: fix bug in Netlink message type detection
Aug 18 16:24:06 <CIA-29> airlied * r41aac24f8fb5 kernel/drivers/char/drm/r128_state.c - [PATCH] r128_state.c: break missing in switch statement
Aug 18 16:24:09 <CIA-29> jmoyer * rd345734267db kernel/mm/filemap.c - [PATCH] filemap_getpage can block when MAP_NONBLOCK specified
Aug 18 16:24:14 <CIA-29> andrea * r79befd0c08c4 kernel/ (fs/proc/base.c include/linux/mm.h mm/oom_kill.c) - [PATCH] oom-killer disable for iscsi/lvm2/multipath userland critical sections
Aug 18 16:24:17 <CIA-29> akpm * r323aca6c0bda kernel/mm/vmscan.c - [PATCH] vmscan: pageout(): remove unneeded test
Aug 18 16:24:19 <CIA-29> akpm * r76c3073a888a kernel/fs/buffer.c - [PATCH] end_buffer_write_sync() avoid pointless assignments
Aug 18 16:24:22 <CIA-29> mort * r4c4c402d6cab kernel/fs/proc/proc_misc.c - [PATCH] meminfo: add Cached underflow check
Aug 18 16:24:27 <CIA-29> davem * r9f3786dc8b1d kernel/include/linux/atalk.h - [PATCH] Fix linux/atalk.h header
Aug 18 16:24:29 <CIA-29> acme * r2a27805127ae kernel/net/core/sock.c - [PATCH] net: don't call kmem_cache_create with a spinlock held
Aug 18 16:24:30 <FreeTim3> .........      What is CIA-29 going on about ?
Aug 18 16:24:34 <CIA-29> herbert * r6775cab98b89 kernel/net/core/dst.c - [PATCH] Fix dst_destroy() race
Aug 18 16:24:36 <CIA-29> paulus * r6460b4cceba0 kernel/arch/ppc/platforms/pmac_smp.c - [PATCH] ppc32: improve timebase sync for SMP
Aug 18 16:24:39 <CIA-29> paulus * re378cc16b0d3 kernel/arch/ppc/kernel/traps.c - [PATCH] ppc32: oops on kernel altivec assist exceptions
Aug 18 16:24:42 <CIA-29> jt * r7e5c6bc0a600 kernel/net/irda/irda_device.c - [PATCH] irda_device() oops fix
Aug 18 16:24:44 <CIA-29> jmorris * r0c9b79429c83 kernel/security/selinux/ (6 files in 2 dirs) - [PATCH] SELinux: add support for NETLINK_KOBJECT_UEVENT
Aug 18 16:24:51 <CIA-29> paulus * r6c26e03b2db4 kernel/arch/ppc/kernel/traps.c - [PATCH] ppc32: fix single-stepping of emulated instructions
Aug 18 16:24:54 <CIA-29> benh * r7a648b9ec09f kernel/ (5 files in 3 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix cpufreq problems
Aug 18 16:24:58 <CIA-29> paulus * r16acbc624e2b kernel/arch/ppc/kernel/signal.c - [PATCH] ppc32: fix bogosity in process-freezing code
Aug 18 16:24:59 <Rick_work> CIAis only supposed to report WEBOS INTERNALS updates to the git repository
Aug 18 16:25:03 <CIA-29> ebs * r35b535d9cc8d kernel/arch/ppc/syslib/ppc4xx_pic.c - [PATCH] ppc32: ppc4xx_pic - add acknowledge when enabling level-sensitive IRQ
Aug 18 16:25:06 <CIA-29> galak * r7a1e335085ea kernel/include/asm-ppc/pgtable.h - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix pte_update for 64-bit PTEs
Aug 18 16:25:09 <CIA-29> benh * r0c541b4406a6 kernel/ (6 files in 5 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix AGP and sleep again
Aug 18 16:25:10 <Rick_work> but it's all of a sudden reporting EVERYTHING FOR EVERY REPOSITORY
Aug 18 16:25:11 <CIA-29> galak * ra85f6d4aca82 kernel/ (arch/ppc/mm/pgtable.c include/asm-ppc/mmu.h) - [PATCH] ppc32: make usage of CONFIG_PTE_64BIT & CONFIG_PHYS_64BIT consistent
Aug 18 16:25:14 <Rick_work> DAMN DAMN DAMN
Aug 18 16:25:18 <CIA-29> galak * rb464fce5edc0 kernel/include/asm-ppc/pgtable.h - [PATCH] ppc32: Allow adjust of pfn offset in pte
Aug 18 16:25:23 <CIA-29> galak * rf50b153b1966 kernel/ (6 files in 4 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc32: Support 36-bit physical addressing on e500
Aug 18 16:25:29 <drnull1> infobot, kick CIA-29
Aug 18 16:25:30 * infobot kicks CIA-29
Aug 18 16:25:30 <CIA-29> trini * rfd16230a0575 kernel/arch/ppc/syslib/m8xx_wdt.c - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix mpc8xx watchdog
Aug 18 16:25:31 <FreeTim3> its outta controllllllllll
Aug 18 16:25:33 <CIA-29> benoit.boissinot * r51e6606491a0 kernel/arch/ppc/kernel/time.c - [PATCH] ppc32: fix compilation error in arch/ppc/kernel/time.c
Aug 18 16:25:36 <CIA-29> benoit.boissinot * rcd2c169e6a2d kernel/include/asm-ppc/prom.h - [PATCH] ppc32: fix compilation error in include/asm/prom.h
Aug 18 16:25:38 <drnull1> infobot, kick CIA-29 HARDER!!!
Aug 18 16:25:39 <CIA-29> gpulcini * r54095a6ec7b1 kernel/arch/ppc/ (kernel/time.c platforms/chrp_time.c platforms/gemini_setup.c) - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix a problem with NTP on !(chrp||gemini)
Aug 18 16:25:39 * infobot kicks CIA-29 HARDER!!!
Aug 18 16:25:44 <CIA-29> trini * ref2f3253f061 kernel/arch/ppc/ (boot/simple/Makefile platforms/pmac_cache.S) - [PATCH] ppc32: Fix building 32bit kernel for 64bit machines
Aug 18 16:25:49 <CIA-29> leigh * rb625a2b85221 kernel/arch/ppc/platforms/prep_pci.c - [PATCH] ppc32: Make the Powerstack II Pro4000 boot again
Aug 18 16:25:52 <CIA-29> ow
Aug 18 16:25:58 <Robi_> rwhitby: again?
Aug 18 16:25:58 <CIA-29> benh * r16b817579fb6 kernel/drivers/net/ (Kconfig mv643xx_eth.c) - [PATCH] ppc32: MV643XX ethernet is an option for Pegasos
Aug 18 16:26:01 <CIA-29> benoit.boissinot * r9ce3a719bc57 kernel/include/asm-m68k/setup.h - [PATCH] ppc32: fix compilation error in include/asm-m68k/setup.h
Aug 18 16:26:04 <CIA-29> benoit.boissinot * rd8f6098d5b0e kernel/arch/ppc/syslib/open_pic_defs.h - [PATCH] ppc32: fix compilation error in arch/ppc/syslib/open_pic_defs.h
Aug 18 16:26:07 <CIA-29> benh * rb75550e1bc6b kernel/sound/ppc/ (pmac.c tumbler.c) - [PATCH] pmac: sound support for latest laptops
Aug 18 16:26:12 <CIA-29> benh * r547ee84cea37 kernel/ (3 files in 3 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc64: Improve mapping of vDSO
Aug 18 16:26:16 <CIA-29> benh * rb20af5f59797 kernel/sound/ppc/tumbler.c - [PATCH] pmac: Improve sleep code of tumbler driver
Aug 18 16:26:25 <CIA-29> benh * r7bbd827750e6 kernel/ (8 files in 4 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc64: very basic desktop g5 sound support
Aug 18 16:26:28 <CIA-29> benh * r50bfb2e0329d kernel/arch/ppc64/kernel/prom.c - [PATCH] ppc64: remove bogus f50 hack in prom.c
Aug 18 16:26:31 <CIA-29> benh * rdfbacdc1a0b5 kernel/arch/ppc64/ (4 files in 2 dirs) - [PATCH] ppc64: Fix semantics of __ioremap
Aug 18 16:26:34 <CIA-29> anton * r89e09f5ebba4 kernel/arch/ppc64/Kconfig - [PATCH] ppc64: remove -fno-omit-frame-pointer
Aug 18 16:26:37 <CIA-29> paulus * rfa89c5092edd kernel/arch/ppc64/kernel/ppc_ksyms.c - [PATCH] ppc64: fix export of wrong symbol
Aug 18 16:26:37 <destinal> yeah I don't know if the kernel tree is the best place for CIA-29 to hang out
Aug 18 16:26:42 <CIA-29> olof * re63f8f439de0 kernel/include/asm-ppc64/processor.h - [PATCH] ppc64: no prefetch for NULL pointers
Aug 18 16:26:47 <CIA-29> benh * r187335a4ec72 kernel/arch/ppc64/kernel/ (head.S prom.c traps.c) - [PATCH] ppc64: Detect altivec via firmware on unknown CPUs
Aug 18 16:26:54 <CIA-29> yuasa * r5dfa9c1b4f5d kernel/ (5 files in 2 dirs) - [PATCH] mips: update VR41xx CPU-PCI bridge support
Aug 18 16:26:58 <PuffTheMagic> i cant kick CIA
Aug 18 16:26:59 <CIA-29> yuasa * r4bfa437cf137 kernel/include/asm-mips/vr41xx/vr41xx.h - [PATCH] mips: remove obsolete VR41xx RTC function from vr41xx.h
Aug 18 16:26:59 <PuffTheMagic> wtf
Aug 18 16:27:02 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * rc4c8ea948aa2 kernel/sound/pci/intel8x0.c - [PATCH] intel8x0: AC'97 audio patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:05 <CIA-29> yuasa * r48bb35831bb0 kernel/arch/mips/kernel/ptrace.c - [PATCH] mips: remove #include <linux/audit.h> two times
Aug 18 16:27:08 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * rc368ca4ef471 kernel/drivers/ (pci/quirks.c scsi/ata_piix.c) - [PATCH] ata_piix: IDE mode SATA patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:09 <PuffTheMagic> i need OPS
Aug 18 16:27:11 <PuffTheMagic> voice sucks
Aug 18 16:27:13 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * re285f8091b4a kernel/ (arch/i386/pci/irq.c include/linux/pci_ids.h) - [PATCH] irq and pci_ids: patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:20 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * r680d32357a02 kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.c - [PATCH] ahci: AHCI mode SATA patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:27 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * rd69332b875ef kernel/drivers/ide/pci/piix.c - [PATCH] piix: IDE PATA patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:30 <CIA-29> jason.d.gaston * rb0a70b57f909 kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/ (Kconfig i2c-i801.c) - [PATCH] i2c-i801: I2C patch for Intel ESB2
Aug 18 16:27:33 <CIA-29> roland * recd02dddd1d5 kernel/ (4 files in 2 dirs) - [PATCH] i386: Use loaddebug macro consistently
Aug 18 16:27:36 <CIA-29> roland * rc97db4a0a7d4 kernel/arch/i386/kernel/ (Makefile vsyscall-note.S vsyscall.lds.S) - [PATCH] i386 vDSO: add PT_NOTE segment
Aug 18 16:27:40 * Rick_work slaps CIA-29 around a bit with a large trout
Aug 18 16:27:41 <CIA-29> roland * re09b8c0b2006 kernel/arch/x86_64/ia32/vsyscall-sigreturn.S - [PATCH] x86-64: i386 vDSO: add PT_NOTE segment
Aug 18 16:27:46 <CIA-29> ak * rdb4686812835 kernel/arch/ (i386/kernel/cpu/proc.c x86_64/kernel/setup.c) - [PATCH] x86-64/i386: Revert cpuinfo siblings behaviour back to 2.6.10
Aug 18 16:27:53 <CIA-29> ak * rf18de453eb52 kernel/include/asm-x86_64/bug.h - [PATCH] x86-64: Fix BUG()
Aug 18 16:27:57 <CIA-29> (41 lines omitted)
Aug 18 16:27:59 <CIA-29> pavel * r8d189f729829 kernel/drivers/message/fusion/ (mptbase.c mptbase.h mptscsih.c) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in drivers/message
Aug 18 16:28:04 <CIA-29> pavel * re5378ca8c0ab kernel/drivers/ (7 files in 3 dirs) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in drivers/mmc,mtd,scsi
Aug 18 16:28:07 <CIA-29> pavel * re2d53566a757 kernel/sound/ (core/init.c pci/atiixp_modem.c) - [PATCH] fix pm_message_t vs. u32 in alsa
Aug 18 16:28:12 <CIA-29> pavel * r0b9c33a7d6b9 kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/ (apic.c i8259.c io_apic.c nmi.c time.c) - [PATCH] Fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in x86-64
Aug 18 16:28:15 <CIA-29> pavel * rf45139044db8 kernel/drivers/macintosh/ (macio_asic.c mediabay.c) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in drivers/macintosh
Aug 18 16:28:20 <CIA-29> pavel * r7f4927c1b505 kernel/ (6 files in 3 dirs) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in PCI, PCIE
Aug 18 16:28:22 <xalbo> Thank you for omiting 41 lines.  Please omit the rest in the future.
Aug 18 16:28:23 <CIA-29> pavel * r3bfffd97ef91 kernel/ (6 files in 6 dirs) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in rest of the tree
Aug 18 16:28:30 <CIA-29> pavel * rb1c42851b006 kernel/ (4 files in 2 dirs) - [PATCH] u32 vs. pm_message_t in ppc and radeon
Aug 18 16:28:33 <CIA-29> pavel * rbf2049f983eb kernel/drivers/macintosh/via-pmu.c - [PATCH] fix few remaining u32 vs. pm_message_t problems
Aug 18 16:28:38 <CIA-29> pavel * ra4ffad5b77f1 kernel/Documentation/power/video.txt - [PATCH] power/video.txt: update documentation with more systems
Aug 18 16:28:41 <CIA-29> pavel * r0370affeec3e kernel/drivers/serial/ (8 files) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in drivers/
Aug 18 16:28:44 <CIA-29> blaisorblade * r9c340d80f66f kernel/arch/um/include/choose-mode.h - [PATCH] uml: fix compilation for __CHOOSE_MODE addition
Aug 18 16:28:47 <czarphanguye> can't someone remove the bot's voice and moderate the chan?
Aug 18 16:28:51 <CIA-29> pavel * r9bfd354b1b9c kernel/drivers/video/ (5 files in 3 dirs) - [PATCH] fix u32 vs. pm_message_t in driver/video
Aug 18 16:28:56 <CIA-29> alexn * r43117a08280e kernel/kernel/power/smp.c - [PATCH] swsusp: SMP fix
Aug 18 16:28:58 <CIA-29> axboe * r4a534f93b371 kernel/drivers/block/ll_rw_blk.c - [PATCH] possible use-after-free of bio
Aug 18 16:28:59 <Rick_work> czarphanguye  it'sbeing worked on
Aug 18 16:29:01 <CIA-29> bramesh * rfc9c9ab22d56 kernel/fs/fcntl.c - [PATCH] AYSNC IO using singals other than SIGIO
Aug 18 16:29:06 <CIA-29> wesarg * r31143a12044c kernel/kernel/params.c - [PATCH] kernel/param.c: don't use .max when .num is NULL in param_array_set()
Aug 18 16:29:09 <CIA-29> jack * r31e7ad6ac919 kernel/fs/dquot.c - [PATCH] quota: fix possible oops on quotaoff
Aug 18 16:29:11 <CIA-29> wesarg * r975e046cc060 kernel/drivers/media/video/ (tda9887.c tuner-core.c) - [PATCH] fix module_param_string() calls
Aug 18 16:29:19 <PuffTheMagic> yay!!!!!!!
Aug 18 16:29:23 <Rick_work> PuffTheMagic  You have ops
Aug 18 16:29:25 <PuffTheMagic> beat you
Aug 18 16:29:46 <Rick_work> thank ghu
Aug 18 16:29:56 <ka6sox> okay you guys fixed...I was almost there.
Aug 18 16:30:06 <Rick_work> what the heck happened?
Aug 18 16:30:14 <PuffTheMagic> i was moving some branches around
Aug 18 16:30:14 <destinal> A kernel patch happened
Aug 18 16:30:17 <PuffTheMagic> in the kernel git repo
Aug 18 16:30:28 <PuffTheMagic> and rwhitby has the ciabot hook enabled
Aug 18 16:30:41 <PuffTheMagic> so i was gonna announce just about every commit since 2.6.12
Aug 18 16:30:53 <PuffTheMagic> which is like 1000000000000000000000000 commits
Aug 18 16:31:02 <Rick_work> ouch
Aug 18 16:31:09 <PuffTheMagic> look on cia.vc though
Aug 18 16:31:19 <PuffTheMagic> our channel is probably top commiter for the day now
Aug 18 16:31:28 <PuffTheMagic> nope
Aug 18 16:31:31 <PuffTheMagic> kde still beat us
Aug 18 16:31:35 <PuffTheMagic> 245 to 203
Aug 18 16:31:45 <PuffTheMagic> i should have let that go a little longer ;)
Aug 18 16:32:34 <Saiks> Will the work? http://webos.pastebin.com/m7723d7e6
Aug 18 16:34:57 <PuffTheMagic> Rick_work: http://cia.vc/
Aug 18 16:35:00 <PuffTheMagic> now we are #1
Aug 18 16:35:01 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 18 16:35:05 <Rick_work> saiks  other than NEVER using ==  in  a js compare, ALWAYS use === instead,   it ought to.
Aug 18 16:35:36 <Rick_work> but it's not the MOJO way...  you would normally want to use the value of the model of the widget
Aug 18 16:36:45 <xalbo> Seems like it would be better just not to enable the button until all of the fields are filled in.
Aug 18 16:36:52 <Rick_work> yep
Aug 18 16:37:05 <xalbo> (and if they're set to the empty string initially, is there any danger of them being null?)
Aug 18 16:37:11 <Rick_work> and I would use this.username.getValue
Aug 18 16:37:21 <Rick_work> http://developer.palm.com/palm-sdk/jsdoc/symbols/Mojo.Widget.html#.TextField
Aug 18 16:38:27 <xalbo> Incidentally, some time ago I was looking for (and gave up on finding) a good way to recieve notification when a TextField gained and lost focus.
Aug 18 16:39:36 <mikedg> never use ==?
Aug 18 16:39:51 <xalbo> What I really wanted to do was have the textfield have a different value when it was being edited.  (It's yet another tip calculator; I wanted "4" to become "$4.00" when focus was removed, and revert to "4" if focus came back)
Aug 18 16:40:28 <mikedg> ah
Aug 18 16:43:20 <Saiks> Can someone plese edit http://webos.pastebin.com/m7723d7e6 for me to mirror what you guys are saying please
Aug 18 16:43:59 <Saiks> I am new to all this...
Aug 18 16:45:08 <lmorchard> Line 26 is a syntax error - no need for a semicolon at the end. line 45 too
Aug 18 16:47:16 <Saiks> thx
Aug 18 16:47:34 <lmorchard> JSLint is your friend
Aug 18 16:48:10 <lmorchard> Best to run it locally, but in a pinch, paste your code here and see what it says: http://www.jslint.com/
Aug 18 16:48:49 <lmorchard> Oh hey, the ='s should be :'s too
Aug 18 16:49:54 <lmorchard> But try jslint.com - if you fix all the things it says is wrong, you have a pretty good chance of limiting your problems to just learning Mojo
Aug 18 16:50:34 <lmorchard> Eventually, investigate running it locally http://www.jslint.com/rhino/index.html
Aug 18 16:51:26 <Saiks> Thx
Aug 18 16:56:38 <Rick_work> jslint will make you cry
Aug 18 16:56:48 <lmorchard> It's a good cry though
Aug 18 16:56:51 <Rick_work> true
Aug 18 16:57:07 <Rick_work> mikedg  never use ==  in javascript.  Ever.
Aug 18 16:57:19 <Rick_work> mikedg  == in js is not transitive.
Aug 18 16:57:37 <Rick_work> 0 == null  evaluates as true
Aug 18 16:57:39 <mikedg> not sure what that means
Aug 18 16:57:46 <Rick_work> null == 0  evaluates as false
Aug 18 16:57:51 <Rick_work> the order that you do them in matters
Aug 18 16:57:54 <Rick_work> this is evil.
Aug 18 16:57:57 <Rick_work> on the other hand
Aug 18 16:58:03 <mikedg> so what does 0 === null do?
Aug 18 16:58:11 <mikedg> false?
Aug 18 16:58:13 <Rick_work> 0 === null is false  and null === 0 is false.
Aug 18 16:58:14 <lmorchard> false
Aug 18 16:58:17 <destinal> yeah, === ftw
Aug 18 16:58:34 <Rick_work> "123" ==  123   evaluates as true
Aug 18 16:58:53 <destinal> I've been reading javascript: the good parts by Douglas Crockford.  Very good book
Aug 18 16:59:01 <Rick_work> but   123 == "   123   "    also evaluates as true.
Aug 18 16:59:06 <Rick_work> which is, generally  bad.
Aug 18 16:59:16 <Rick_work> so,  never use ==
Aug 18 16:59:17 <Rick_work> ever
Aug 18 16:59:29 <destinal> Crockford wrote jslint also, yes?
Aug 18 16:59:35 <lmorchard> true === (0 === 0) && true === ( null === null ) && false === ( 0 === null ) // true
Aug 18 16:59:35 <Rick_work> and by extension  never use !=   always use !==
Aug 18 16:59:42 <lmorchard> there, stub your brain on that
Aug 18 17:00:18 <lmorchard> Yup, Crockford did JSLint, JSON, and THe Good Parts
Aug 18 17:00:18 <Rick_work> makes perfect sense to me lmorchard
Aug 18 17:00:29 <Rick_work> Crockford wrote jslint yes
Aug 18 17:00:47 <Rick_work> and crockford  IS   json.org    --  one night he just made it up.
Aug 18 17:00:59 <lmorchard> Well, he'd say he "discovered it" in nature :)
Aug 18 17:01:15 <destinal> well it was being used with eval for a while before his json.js, wasn't it?
Aug 18 17:01:16 <Rick_work> fair enought.  But he decided to become a standards body.  :-)
Aug 18 17:01:37 <Rick_work> destinal  you said a bad word.
Aug 18 17:01:48 <destinal> yeah, I know, but that's how it was used originally
Aug 18 17:02:02 <destinal> eval = evil
Aug 18 17:02:04 <destinal> :P
Aug 18 17:02:04 <lmorchard> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/video.php?v=crockford-json
Aug 18 17:02:16 <Rick_work> eval === evil
Aug 18 17:02:21 <destinal> hehe
Aug 18 17:02:23 <destinal> true
Aug 18 17:02:25 <lmorchard> was there for one of his presentations of that
Aug 18 17:03:25 <Saiks> will this work : var username = $('username').value;
Aug 18 17:06:48 <Rick_work> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=crockford&emb=0&aq=f#
Aug 18 17:07:02 <Rick_work> worth watching every one of them.  Javascript mahatma
Aug 18 17:07:22 <Rick_work> Saiks  why are you trying to avoid using mojo standards?
Aug 18 17:12:10 <Rick_work> Saiks  1) don't name your variables the same as your widget object.   2)use standard mojo calls var v_username  = this.controller.get('username').getValue
Aug 18 17:30:02 <destinal> Rick_work: crockford's comments are dead-on regarding the badness of XML and to a lesser degree HTML itself.
Aug 18 17:30:10 <destinal> hilarious also
Aug 18 17:31:14 <destinal> that's one thing that's great about webos, anywhere you could choose between XML and JSON (even in files), JSON was chosen  (maybe there's an instance I'm not thinking of, but so far it seems to be universal)
Aug 18 17:37:41 <Rick_work> xml tries to be everything to everyone.
Aug 18 17:38:10 <Rick_work> json doesn't therefore,it solves the things that it sets out to solve well, and IGNORES things it wasn't ment for.
Aug 18 17:38:41 <destinal> right tool, right job.  what a concept
Aug 18 17:39:04 <gkatsev> heh
Aug 18 17:39:20 <Rick_work> heh back
Aug 18 17:39:24 <destinal> For the payload format, XML has to be the mainstay, not because it's technically wonderful, but because of the extraordinary breadth of adoption that it has succeeded in achieving. This is where the JSON (or YAML) folks are really missing the point by proudly pointing to the technical advantages of their format: any damn fool could produce a better data format than XML.  -- James Clark (one of XML's designers)
Aug 18 17:40:20 <destinal> so, yeah, it sucks, but use it because it's the standard
Aug 18 17:40:21 <destinal> wow
Aug 18 17:41:16 <gkatsev> yaxml, lol
Aug 18 17:44:43 <destinal> lol he added "The software shall be used for good, not evil." to his MIT license
Aug 18 17:46:12 <destinal> lol  IBM had a potential license issue so he sent to them:  "I give permission to IBM, its customers, partners, and minions, to use JSLint for evil."
Aug 18 17:46:20 <lmorchard> Funny, JSON seems to be achieving an extraordinary breadth of adoption
Aug 18 17:46:44 <PuffTheMagic> i never used json before pre hacking
Aug 18 17:46:44 <lmorchard> I mean, I wouldn't want to write a book with it, but JSON's great for data exchange most of the time
Aug 18 17:46:46 <PuffTheMagic> and i have to say
Aug 18 17:46:49 <PuffTheMagic> its much nicer than xml
Aug 18 17:46:55 <PuffTheMagic> for the type of things i typically do
Aug 18 17:46:58 <destinal> yeah, I'm a convert
Aug 18 17:47:09 <destinal> also because of pre hacking
Aug 18 17:47:14 <destinal> I got exposed
Aug 18 17:47:17 <PuffTheMagic> its more "human readable"
Aug 18 17:47:32 <bougyman> i've used json for a long time, lots of yaml and xml, as well.
Aug 18 17:47:39 <destinal> and the processing and transport overhead is soooo much lighter
Aug 18 17:47:49 <PuffTheMagic> i've heard good things about yaml
Aug 18 17:47:58 <lmorchard> I once even used JSON to build configs for a PHP web app, though it wasn't the best idea
Aug 18 17:47:59 <bougyman> xml is meant to be a technical kitchen sink, so it's more how you use it than what it is.
Aug 18 17:48:20 <lmorchard> YAML is too clever, I think. JSON's easier to produce and consume
Aug 18 17:48:39 <bougyman> YAML was the de-facto in ruby for a long time, for configs and such.
Aug 18 17:48:44 <bougyman> it's just really slow.
Aug 18 17:48:57 <bougyman> nicely readable, but the speed is unacceptible.
Aug 18 17:49:07 <gkatsev> according to wiki json page, json is a subset of yaml
Aug 18 17:49:14 <lmorchard> Yeah, so much so that PHP frameworks that love rails like Symfony spend a lot of code supporting YAML
Aug 18 17:49:15 <bougyman> sounds right.
Aug 18 17:50:13 <bougyman> i'm still a big fan of csv, fixed field, etc.
Aug 18 17:50:47 <destinal> right but for objects
Aug 18 17:51:20 <destinal> for fixed field you have to know in advance all the format
Aug 18 17:51:38 <bougyman> that's beneficial, for strict information exchanges.
Aug 18 17:52:06 <bougyman> which is why banking still uses fixed field and is 8 years behind schedule moving to XML.
Aug 18 17:52:33 <destinal> also standard libraries mean you don't have to write your own serialization (essentially your own language for every app)
Aug 18 17:52:35 <AnOutsider> sup folks
Aug 18 17:53:35 <destinal> IMO for strict exchanges, just ignore anything in the deserialized object you don't want
Aug 18 17:53:39 <destinal> easy
Aug 18 17:55:09 <PuffTheMagic> destinal: have u ever done this bt thing
Aug 18 17:55:22 <PuffTheMagic> my palm never says anything bu searching for audio devices
Aug 18 17:55:29 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: no it just looked really easy
Aug 18 18:05:34 <gkatsev> apparently google calendar now can add reminders to birthdays and events of friends
Aug 18 18:06:49 <egaudet_> teaser for the next release, http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5343/browser20091808135558.jpg  (+sound)
Aug 18 18:07:44 <destinal> egaudet_: nice
Aug 18 18:08:29 <egaudet_> And hopefully dragging the KB wherever you want vertically, once I get it to stop resizing the width
Aug 18 18:09:13 <PuffTheMagic> why is that key zoomed?
Aug 18 18:09:32 <egaudet_> PuffTheMagic, it is being pressed
Aug 18 18:09:40 <PuffTheMagic> o
Aug 18 18:13:13 <egaudet_> how's the kernel Puff?
Aug 18 18:15:18 <Rick_work> egaudet_  iphone's got nothing on you by golly!
Aug 18 18:15:24 <Rick_work> thats SO FREAKING COOL
Aug 18 18:16:27 <Rick_work> of course,  what would be COOLER for people with hands the size of dinner plates would be if the preview key were OFFSET somewhat.  But it would drive everyone else nuts.  So don't do it.
Aug 18 18:16:57 <Rick_work> egaudet_ any progress on search boxes?
Aug 18 18:17:59 <egaudet_> :D i just gotta brush up the preview, a bit touchy right now for quick-taps.  The search boxes were driving me mad
Aug 18 18:18:22 <egaudet_> I thought that the search boxes were simply listening for key events and doing it's thing
Aug 18 18:19:04 <egaudet_> so I went ahead and did a simple test, generated keydown, keypress, keyup events whenever I press any key on the oskb
Aug 18 18:19:21 <MLJones8> egaudet_:  for the new version did you change how the keyboard comes up? It use to come up all the time but now it seems it only comes up with a slightly longer click to the gesture area... which I really like.
Aug 18 18:19:49 <egaudet_> MLJones8, nope no change there, it could just be taking a bit longer to load the images
Aug 18 18:20:48 <egaudet_> Rick_work, so I thought that the framework was handling text inputting and searching, but it seems it is elsewhere.  On a real key press the input area is changed before the event gets to the framework?
Aug 18 18:20:50 <MLJones8> I see, even if thats the case its a lot better...  a back swipe out of a text message to use to pull up the keyboard for me now it doesn't.
Aug 18 18:22:21 <egaudet_> yea, I definitely have to go back through it and make sure that it doesnt' come up when it shouldn't (clipboard events, all swipes etc..)
Aug 18 18:23:28 <gkatsev> egaudet_: sexy
Aug 18 18:23:29 <mrjcarter> updates in the app catalog
Aug 18 18:32:15 <Abyssul> ugh... time to rehack my pre
Aug 18 18:42:05 <egaudet_> What would be better, the rounded margined keyboard look, or span the entire screen (picking up an extra 2 pixels width per key)
Aug 18 18:42:19 <Rick_work> bigger is better
Aug 18 18:42:25 <Rick_work> the targets are already too small
Aug 18 18:42:49 <gkatsev> egaudet_: would be cool if when you go landscape, it would make the keyboard even bigger
Aug 18 18:43:05 <gkatsev> if only there were apps that supported landscape text input
Aug 18 18:43:51 <egaudet_> Yea, I think I'm going to widen it, screw the rounded edge margin look, we want more space!
Aug 18 18:44:01 <FreeTim3> concur bigger keys better
Aug 18 18:45:13 <FreeTim3> or if it's easy make it settable by config (I love user exposed config options)
Aug 18 18:47:27 <gkatsev> though, isnt girth what really matters?
Aug 18 18:49:02 <AnOutsider> I don't have my webos book handy, but has anyone had issues setting background images through CSS?
Aug 18 18:49:25 <AnOutsider> like for body, it only works if I set it inline (with a style tag). That's a solution in some instances, but when I'm doing an image on highlight it's a bit diff
Aug 18 18:53:25 <Abyssul> how do you change the SSH user password?
Aug 18 18:54:14 <Abyssul> nvm
Aug 18 19:00:21 <Saiks> Can i read a textfield like this: 	var username = $('username').value;
Aug 18 19:01:17 <Abyssul> How do you make a SSH user root or auto-sudo?
Aug 18 19:02:31 <Saiks> use this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux
Aug 18 19:04:00 <Saiks> Any1 can i read a textfield like this: var username = $('username').value;
Aug 18 19:07:53 <AnOutsider> I don't see why not?
Aug 18 19:08:08 <AnOutsider> that's how it would work in standard JS (assuming you've got the framework or declared $ as a function)
Aug 18 19:08:45 <Saiks> yea i did
Aug 18 19:09:35 <egaudet_> why not use this.controller.get('username')?
Aug 18 19:10:26 <PuffTheMagic> i cant get god damn bluetooth working on my pre
Aug 18 19:10:32 <PuffTheMagic> cant pair with the laptop
Aug 18 19:10:38 <PuffTheMagic> always fails
Aug 18 19:13:15 <flare576> Hi all: while I'm digging through logs: is there a problem with Preware .51?  I'm unable to load the list, even after reboot; I updated the repository then updated Preware itself with Preware.
Aug 18 19:15:19 <mrjcarter> flare576, try this
Aug 18 19:15:21 <mrjcarter> sudo mount -o remount,rw /` then `sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.
Aug 18 19:15:33 <mrjcarter> after a reboot
Aug 18 19:16:08 <mrjcarter> oop, left some out
Aug 18 19:16:11 <mrjcarter> `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` then `sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst`
Aug 18 19:18:19 <flare576> still spinning on "updating"
Aug 18 19:18:35 <flare576> it did stop/start a process, though
Aug 18 19:18:49 <mrjcarter> do you reboot first?
Aug 18 19:18:52 <mrjcarter> did*
Aug 18 19:19:00 <flare576> I had just done a reboot, yup
Aug 18 19:19:10 <mrjcarter> hmm
Aug 18 19:35:30 <Decimation> egaudet: for that teaser picture.. i say decrease the size of the key you pressed on a little.
Aug 18 19:36:11 <Saiks> Help i can't seem to get the 'OK' button to show: http://webos.pastebin.com/m26e42265
Aug 18 19:36:31 <Saiks> The title and message shows fine
Aug 18 19:36:53 <Decimation> rwhitby: uh oh, org.webosinternals.patch... is it coming finally :)
Aug 18 19:41:08 <PuffTheMagic> so i figured out a way to make an app that can enable/disable usbnet and novacom mode with out reboot :D
Aug 18 19:41:22 <AnOutsider> sweet
Aug 18 19:43:21 <Saiks> Anybody...
Aug 18 19:49:24 <AnOutsider> hmm we may need more details
Aug 18 19:49:31 <AnOutsider> because I pasted your code into my project and it shows fine
Aug 18 19:50:21 <AnOutsider> http://yfrog.com/0fbuttonzmgp
Aug 18 19:51:30 <Decimation> PuffTheMagic: are you the one writing the preware patch utility?
Aug 18 19:51:44 <PuffTheMagic> hell no
Aug 18 19:51:49 <oil> xD
Aug 18 19:52:00 <Decimation> lol, oil, you writing that?
Aug 18 19:52:07 <oil> pfft
Aug 18 19:52:16 <oil> ill do the mojo-end
Aug 18 19:52:28 <Decimation> LOL, who is then?
Aug 18 19:53:35 <oil> someone?
Aug 18 19:54:29 <Decimation> hah, fair enough.
Aug 18 19:54:38 <oil> yet to be determined
Aug 18 19:55:00 <PuffTheMagic> i dont want anything to do with it
Aug 18 19:55:10 <PuffTheMagic> it willbe the mass destruction pre;s around the world
Aug 18 19:55:16 <PuffTheMagic> and palm will hunt us down
Aug 18 19:55:27 <oil> haha
Aug 18 19:56:03 <PuffTheMagic> oil why do the icons need to get reloaded after an app is installed?
Aug 18 19:56:03 <Decimation> oil: oh, i thought it was already being written
Aug 18 19:56:05 <Decimation> its on the git.
Aug 18 19:56:15 <Decimation> PuffTheMagic: to show the new app...
Aug 18 19:56:25 <oil> uh
Aug 18 19:56:27 <oil> it reloads the list
Aug 18 19:56:37 <PuffTheMagic> why does it have to reload?
Aug 18 19:57:04 <PuffTheMagic> oil: are you still using the lightwight setup i started with?
Aug 18 19:57:09 <oil> yeah
Aug 18 19:57:18 <PuffTheMagic> you could push a new stage for the install scene
Aug 18 19:57:23 <PuffTheMagic> and not have to reload the list
Aug 18 19:57:33 <oil> if you're in the updates or installed and you upgrade or remove then go back to the list
Aug 18 19:57:41 <oil> it reloads it to remove the app from the list
Aug 18 19:58:03 <PuffTheMagic> why are you removing apps from the "complete app list"
Aug 18 19:58:08 <PuffTheMagic> that sorta makes it uncomplete
Aug 18 19:58:09 <oil> its not
Aug 18 19:58:28 <PuffTheMagic> im confused then
Aug 18 19:58:32 <oil> lol
Aug 18 19:58:43 <oil> i can put an if statement so it doesnt reload if its not a list that would ever need to be reloaded
Aug 18 19:59:01 <Decimation> it deletes the app, but changes dont show up on the luna launcher until you rescan.
Aug 18 19:59:18 <oil> ipkg service should be rescanning
Aug 18 19:59:26 <PuffTheMagic> yes it does
Aug 18 19:59:27 <PuffTheMagic> err
Aug 18 19:59:28 <PuffTheMagic> can
Aug 18 19:59:31 <PuffTheMagic> if the mojo says to
Aug 18 19:59:52 <Decimation> oil: yeah, ipkgservice does.. im talking within the code.
Aug 18 19:59:58 <PuffTheMagic> oil: i can add a install() with an extra parameter
Aug 18 19:59:58 <enio> anyone knows the url to palm webos patches?
Aug 18 20:00:04 <PuffTheMagic> ("package", true)
Aug 18 20:00:09 <PuffTheMagic> if the second one is true
Aug 18 20:00:11 <Saiks> AnOutsider: How did u get this to work? Did you make any changes
Aug 18 20:00:15 <oil> after it installs or updates or removes
Aug 18 20:00:16 <PuffTheMagic> it will automatically rescan on success
Aug 18 20:00:21 <oil> once it does that confimration popup
Aug 18 20:00:21 <PuffTheMagic> so u dont have to call it your self
Aug 18 20:00:26 <oil> it runs the rescan through ipkgservice
Aug 18 20:00:33 * oil just looked at the code
Aug 18 20:00:44 <Decimation> oil: do you play on changing the confirmation pop-up?
Aug 18 20:00:52 <oil> idk
Aug 18 20:00:58 <Decimation> maybe make it prettier, or making it a notification would be ideal.
Aug 18 20:00:59 <oil> the app view scene still needs a lot of work
Aug 18 20:01:08 <oil> the confirmation wont matter once there is a progress bar
Aug 18 20:01:15 <AnOutsider> @Saiks, no changes other than formatting. Plopped it in the project and it worked
Aug 18 20:01:37 <Decimation> are you going to take an app catalog approach and when the progress bar finishes and it installs... add a "tap to launch"
Aug 18 20:02:15 <oil> maybe
Aug 18 20:02:18 <oil> yet to be determined
Aug 18 20:02:26 <Decimation> k, just wondering.
Aug 18 20:02:32 <Saiks> Waww this is so weird
Aug 18 20:02:38 <Decimation> ill be back in 20
Aug 18 20:02:41 <max_> +1 for the tap to launch
Aug 18 20:02:42 <AnOutsider> @Saiks, this is my code for downloading themes
Aug 18 20:02:42 <AnOutsider> http://webos.pastebin.com/d2cee5d93
Aug 18 20:02:46 <AnOutsider> works
Aug 18 20:02:55 * oil goes back to work, lunch is ovre
Aug 18 20:03:03 <oil> later
Aug 18 20:04:39 <PuffTheMagic> prejeweled is pretty damn good too
Aug 18 20:06:54 <AnOutsider> Puff, can custom services be installed as well?
Aug 18 20:09:49 <PuffTheMagic> once i get the a safe way to do postinst's
Aug 18 20:10:11 <AnOutsider> okie dok
Aug 18 20:14:55 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know if infobot supports todo lists
Aug 18 20:14:56 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Aug 18 20:18:25 <Saiks> @AnOutsider: http://webos.pastebin.com/m3ca763f9 still not working for me. Do i have to declare this.controller.showAlertDialog
Aug 18 20:18:28 <Saiks> else where?
Aug 18 20:18:58 <AnOutsider> shouldn't have to... let me check
Aug 18 20:19:12 <AnOutsider> you say it pops up, but the actual button doesn't?
Aug 18 20:19:25 <Saiks> correct
Aug 18 20:27:48 <Saiks> @AnOutsider: u got anything?
Aug 18 20:27:58 <AnOutsider> weird
Aug 18 20:28:02 <AnOutsider> Can us creenshot?
Aug 18 20:28:14 <AnOutsider> might not make a difference, but i wonder if something's interfering with the display
Aug 18 20:30:38 <Zuchmir2> is === more valid than == in JS? (as well as !== vs. !=)
Aug 18 20:31:46 <AnOutsider> I touch so many languages during the day, but I think === is just more strict
Aug 18 20:31:59 <AnOutsider> so 0 == false would be true
Aug 18 20:32:06 <AnOutsider> while 0 === false would be false
Aug 18 20:32:22 <AnOutsider> sorry if I misunderstood the question
Aug 18 20:33:24 <PuffTheMagic> has anyone noticed that "grepping" for things around the pre userland causes it to reboot
Aug 18 20:33:30 <lmorchard> true === (0 === 0) && true === ( null === null ) && false === ( 0 === null ) // true
Aug 18 20:33:41 <lmorchard> PuffTheMagic: Why, yes, I did notice that the other day
Aug 18 20:33:50 <Zuchmir2> so == is loose, and can be interchanged with bool, int, null, undefined etc, whereas === means int == int, bool == bool ?
Aug 18 20:33:59 <lmorchard> Wondering if it hit something under /dev and blew something up
Aug 18 20:34:20 <lmorchard> Javascript has the concept of "truthy" and "falsy"
Aug 18 20:34:45 <lmorchard> So, false / 0 / '' / [] are falsy. Everything else is truthy
Aug 18 20:34:48 <AnOutsider> correct Zuch... it's more strict
Aug 18 20:35:02 <AnOutsider> == will evaluate each, while === will check if it absolutely is the same
Aug 18 20:35:36 <lmorchard> Oh, and null is falsy
Aug 18 20:35:42 <Zuchmir2> ok, so it legal to use == vs. ===
Aug 18 20:35:44 <AnOutsider> mmhmm
Aug 18 20:35:52 <AnOutsider> what do you mean is it legal?
Aug 18 20:36:05 <AnOutsider> both are perfectly fine to use, the chice of which to use would depend on the situation
Aug 18 20:36:10 <lmorchard> Sure, it's legal, just troublesome and not exact
Aug 18 20:36:29 <Zuchmir2> i.e. http://www.jslint.com/ was complaining about an if(value == 0), it wanted ===
Aug 18 20:36:38 <AnOutsider> Anyone try to hide a widget using .hide() and then show it again using .show()?
Aug 18 20:36:43 <lmorchard> JSLint is opinionated
Aug 18 20:36:52 <AnOutsider> I'm doing it with aprogress pill and once I show it, the sucker doesnt work
Aug 18 20:36:57 <Zuchmir2> :-)
Aug 18 20:37:12 <lmorchard> It's strict JS according to douglas crockford - who also happens to be trying to save you trouble :)
Aug 18 20:40:10 <Rick_work> Zuchmir2  here's why it complains about value == 0
Aug 18 20:40:30 <Rick_work> assume value is null
Aug 18 20:40:41 <Rick_work> value == 0 will evaluate to true.
Aug 18 20:40:52 <Rick_work> that _may_ be a problem
Aug 18 20:40:56 <Rick_work> === is safer.
Aug 18 20:41:52 <Decimation> weird, when i run ipkg -o /var list
Aug 18 20:41:53 <Decimation> i see
Aug 18 20:42:03 <Decimation> og.webosinternals.patch - 2.5.9 - Preware Patch Utility
Aug 18 20:42:09 <Decimation> but i cant find it anywhere in the feeds here
Aug 18 20:42:11 <Decimation> http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/
Aug 18 20:43:19 <Zuchmir2> ok, i see, so if that's what i want, i can use if(!value), and jslint wont complain
Aug 18 20:43:21 <Decimation> hah,nvm, found it
Aug 18 20:45:17 <Rick_work> JSLint may complain,  because JSLint prefers that you always write evaluations in a way that is never -ever- subject to a mis-evel due to a wrong data type sneaking in.
Aug 18 20:45:20 <lmorchard> Hmm, I think it might complain about that too
Aug 18 20:45:20 <Zuchmir2> is there a way to add menu items at runtime (i.e. 2 fixed menus that are always there, and another one that is displayed only when relative)
Aug 18 20:45:31 <Rick_work> yes
Aug 18 20:51:20 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know how to get the charge level from the pre userland
Aug 18 20:52:34 <Zuchmir2> grep BATTERY /var/log/message
Aug 18 20:53:27 <Zuchmir2> s/message/messages/
Aug 18 20:53:27 <infobot> Zuchmir2 meant: grep BATTERY /var/log/messages
Aug 18 20:54:25 <bpadalino|work> there is a 1wire interface for the battery information ..
Aug 18 20:54:31 <bpadalino|work> i forgot where in the fs it is .. maybe in /sys somewhere ?
Aug 18 20:54:49 <Saiks> How do i print screen with the emulator
Aug 18 20:55:07 <Rick_work> no idea
Aug 18 20:55:15 <Rick_work> I use irfanview to do a screen capture
Aug 18 20:55:17 <Saiks> I did the snapshot but can't locate it
Aug 18 20:56:04 <Rick_work> snapshot is a memory snapshot of the current state of the emulator
Aug 18 20:56:07 <Rick_work> not a screenshot
Aug 18 20:56:49 <Saiks> Oh i c...
Aug 18 20:57:15 <Zuchmir2> on what OS?
Aug 18 20:57:40 <PuffTheMagic> lol
Aug 18 20:58:43 <Zuchmir2> guess i wasn't paying attention to the whole q. i thought the q. was SCREEN snapshot:)
Aug 18 21:08:09 <Saiks> It's the webos emulator
Aug 18 21:09:02 <PuffTheMagic> anyone know the luna-send command to get the charge level?
Aug 18 21:12:30 <egaudet> palm://com.palm.power/com/palm/power/batteryStatusQuery ?
Aug 18 21:16:23 <PuffTheMagic> egaudet: that dont work from cli
Aug 18 21:16:26 <PuffTheMagic> it never returns
Aug 18 21:16:50 <egaudet> is there a public method for battery status?
Aug 18 21:17:04 <PuffTheMagic> nfc
Aug 18 21:17:15 <PuffTheMagic> thats why im asking
Aug 18 21:18:00 <egaudet> I think the only have private one (com.palm app name only).  Might have to write our own service to replicate
Aug 18 21:21:11 <PuffTheMagic> i dont know how to get battery status from userland
Aug 18 21:21:19 <PuffTheMagic> in any way shape or form
Aug 18 21:21:31 <PuffTheMagic> all i can do is get the charge rate
Aug 18 21:21:39 <PuffTheMagic> 100mA, 500mA, 1000mA etc.
Aug 18 21:25:26 <Decimation> hey guys, i just noticed something about the video of the bell unboxing for the palm pre posted on precentral
Aug 18 21:25:32 <Decimation> the pre seems to have a different back then mine
Aug 18 21:25:59 <Decimation> http://is.gd/2niAL
Aug 18 21:26:20 <Decimation> its like the LG dares back
Aug 18 21:26:23 <Decimation> (my last phone)
Aug 18 21:26:47 <Decimation> ahh, nvm, touchstone back
Aug 18 21:33:30 <Decimation> kesne_; IIRC you were the maker of the checkers app
Aug 18 21:33:40 <Decimation> very nice job... its to the point where i would pay for it.
Aug 18 21:33:53 <kesne_> Oh well thanks
Aug 18 21:34:07 <kesne_> I work hard every day
Aug 18 21:34:09 <Decimation> haptic feedback.. beautiful.
Aug 18 21:34:20 <Decimation> kense_: and it shows.. very nice work.
Aug 18 21:34:22 <kesne_> It's gotten to the point where I post an update daily
Aug 18 21:35:16 <Decimation> are you going to get it in the app store?
Aug 18 21:35:19 <Decimation> catalog* :P
Aug 18 21:35:20 <kesne_> Yeah
Aug 18 21:35:26 <kesne_> I'm working with Rob from Palm
Aug 18 21:35:32 <Decimation> nice
Aug 18 21:36:05 <Decimation> well i say put it in there as a for-pay app
Aug 18 21:36:11 <kesne_> Really?
Aug 18 21:36:16 <kesne_> How much would you pay for it?
Aug 18 21:36:59 <Decimation> i myself.. 2 dollars max.
Aug 18 21:37:16 <Decimation> a lot of 2 dollar buyer = money money money :)
Aug 18 21:37:56 <Decimation> just remember, try to get it in there as soon as they support for-pay apps
Aug 18 21:38:00 <Decimation> which happens next month
Aug 18 21:38:08 <Decimation> the less competition the better, ya know? :)
Aug 18 21:38:15 <Decimation> but very nice job, i have to run now.
Aug 18 21:38:26 <kesne_> Okay
Aug 18 21:38:27 * PuffTheMagic gets disappointed when he hear pay for apps
Aug 18 21:38:29 <PuffTheMagic> :/
Aug 18 21:38:29 <kesne_> Thanks :)
Aug 18 21:39:17 <kesne_> Haha
Aug 18 21:39:22 <kesne_> I'm thinking about it
Aug 18 21:40:35 <PuffTheMagic> you shouldnt have released ipks of it then
Aug 18 21:40:38 <PuffTheMagic> cause its out there now
Aug 18 21:40:57 <PuffTheMagic> well i didnt look at the license...
Aug 18 21:41:45 <PuffTheMagic> but i saw it in the cat
Aug 18 21:41:50 <PuffTheMagic> i will have to check it out now
Aug 18 21:42:10 <kesne_> I'm probably not going to
Aug 18 21:42:16 <max_> kesne: if you charge for it you will have to give rick some of the money
Aug 18 21:42:25 <max_> cause didnt he help you a lot?
Aug 18 21:42:55 <PuffTheMagic> i have to get mesh networking working
Aug 18 21:43:02 <max_> and you cant forgot about me. I helped with the cookie for the settings lol
Aug 18 21:43:08 <max_> forget**
Aug 18 21:43:11 <PuffTheMagic> so that all these 2 player games can go pre-on-pre
Aug 18 21:43:12 <PuffTheMagic> :D
Aug 18 21:44:02 <tlp> can I just wget the ipk for one of these homebrew apps and then install it via the command line?
Aug 18 21:44:43 <czarphanguye> tlp: yea, `ipkg -o /var install bla.ipkg`
Aug 18 21:44:50 <tlp> cool.
Aug 18 21:45:39 <FreeTim3> or use the file coaster tool which I just tried, works really well to surf, choose and install homebrew
Aug 18 21:54:31 <kesne_> Max_: would you really want compensation?
Aug 18 21:55:39 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: ciabot hooks are now removed from all git repos
Aug 18 21:57:23 <tlp> kesne_: yes, good work on that checkers game. Looks nice. Are you going to try to get it into the main app catalog?
Aug 18 21:58:18 <rwhitby> Decimation: org.webosinternals.patch is simply a packaging of the GNU patch utility.  I'm using it for some experiments - no promises.
Aug 18 21:58:42 <kesne_> tlp: I'm working with Palm on it
Aug 18 21:58:52 <tlp> cool
Aug 18 21:59:05 <kesne_> It should be in there in septemeber (i hope)
Aug 18 22:01:19 <rwhitby> czarphanguye: don't forget to tell people about running the postinst when installing packages via the command line
Aug 18 22:01:31 <rwhitby> tlp: don't forget to run the postinst script
Aug 18 22:01:38 <rwhitby> (if there is one)
Aug 18 22:02:01 <czarphanguye> rwhitby: tlp is installing just a homebrew from precentral (I think.)  not one of your webosinternal ones
Aug 18 22:02:10 <tlp> yes
Aug 18 22:02:12 <tlp> I just installed fileCoaster and rebooted. Shouldn't have to worry now.
Aug 18 22:02:25 <czarphanguye> tlp forget fileCoaster, check out Preware ;-)
Aug 18 22:02:43 <tlp> hehe, I have stuff from there too :p
Aug 18 22:04:30 <rwhitby> tlp: Preware is now not only a set of feeds, but the best installer application as well.
Aug 18 22:04:36 <tlp> ah
Aug 18 22:04:45 <tlp> and it supports the PreCentral stuff?
Aug 18 22:05:00 <czarphanguye> tlp: everything precentral has, preware has able to install
Aug 18 22:05:05 <rwhitby> it supports every homebrew in existense in the universe
Aug 18 22:05:12 <tlp> neat.
Aug 18 22:05:16 <rwhitby> including some that neither precentral or pimpypre have
Aug 18 22:05:29 <tlp> the wiki says it doesn't do postint stuff
Aug 18 22:05:30 <rwhitby> (e.g. daliclock)
Aug 18 22:05:47 <rwhitby> tlp: yeah, that's true.  so I exaggerated a bit :-)
Aug 18 22:05:52 <rwhitby> 1.0.0 will support it
Aug 18 22:05:56 <tlp> :p
Aug 18 22:11:05 <rwhitby> crazyman: fyi, Preware includes the update service for homebrew apps - no need for a separate app.
Aug 18 22:12:43 <max_> kesne_: no, but I hope I can influence you too keep it free
Aug 18 22:12:56 <kesne_> Haha
Aug 18 22:12:57 <kesne_> I dunno
Aug 18 22:14:04 <rwhitby> I personally support reasonable payment for apps at the author's choice.  If someone wants to lessen the uptake of their application by charging for it, so be it ;-)
Aug 18 22:14:27 <rwhitby> (as long as the author actually calls it a payment, and not a forced "donation")
Aug 18 22:15:29 <tlp> I can see it both ways. I love F/OSS, but at the same time I wouldn't mind earning some income from application development myself.
Aug 18 22:16:24 <tlp> Prewarer has been "Updating" for a few minutes... hm.
Aug 18 22:16:28 <tlp> Preware*
Aug 18 22:17:37 <czarphanguye> tlp: installed manually?  `sudo sh /var/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst`
Aug 18 22:18:10 <tlp> yep, did that
Aug 18 22:18:19 <tlp> oh, crap
Aug 18 22:18:25 <tlp> no I didn't. Forgot rw.
Aug 18 22:19:03 <czarphanguye> tlp: doh, yeah gotta write to /etc/event.d/
Aug 18 22:19:34 <Decimation> rwhitby: ah, okay, saw it.. got excited :P
Aug 18 22:19:53 <rwhitby> Decimation: just laying some groundwork ...
Aug 18 22:20:03 <rwhitby> can't do patching without a patch program.
Aug 18 22:20:05 <Decimation> rwhitby: remember.. progress is progress.
Aug 18 22:20:14 <rwhitby> Decimation: btw, you'll find the package in the armv7 and i686 repos
Aug 18 22:20:33 <Decimation> rwhitby: yeah, i found it.. was looking in
Aug 18 22:20:35 <Decimation> "all"
Aug 18 22:20:56 <rwhitby> yeah, "all" means that it will run on both Pre and Emulator.   A patch binary wont.
Aug 18 22:21:04 <tlp> Preware is pretty sweet. Good work guys.
Aug 18 22:23:14 <rwhitby> is there someone that can confirm that Preware works fine on the Pre with developer mode turned off?
Aug 18 22:23:57 <tlp> Does developer mode survive reboots?
Aug 18 22:23:58 <rwhitby> (it should, just double checking a weird claim that someone has made, and I don't have a Pre to check it myself)
Aug 18 22:24:08 <tlp> if not, it works fine.
Aug 18 22:24:19 <rwhitby> I don't believe developer mode survives reboots
Aug 18 22:28:14 <max_> rwhitby: I think it does survive
Aug 18 22:28:29 <rwhitby> can someone turn it off, and test Preware?
Aug 18 22:29:29 <Decimation> yeah, ill do it
Aug 18 22:29:39 <Decimation> give me a few minutes to reboot :P
Aug 18 22:29:49 <tlp> just checked, it's off.
Aug 18 22:30:03 <tlp> is Preware primarily your project rwhitby?
Aug 18 22:30:16 <rwhitby> tlp: it's a community project
Aug 18 22:30:19 <max_> rwhitby: so I updated my preware to the newest version and its not working again even when I run the start service command. do I have to run the postint (I think that is what its called) again?
Aug 18 22:30:27 <Decimation> oil is coding the mojo as of now i think tlp
Aug 18 22:30:36 <Decimation> then is puff doing the ipkgservice?
Aug 18 22:30:47 <tlp> ah
Aug 18 22:30:54 <rwhitby> I do certain bits, oils does bits, PuffTheMagic does bits, destinal does bits, Rick_work does bits, Templarian does bits, (and I've probably forgotten some people too)
Aug 18 22:31:13 <Decimation> i do some crazy testing :P
Aug 18 22:31:32 <rwhitby> max_ finds the installation problems :-)
Aug 18 22:31:54 <tlp> scanning the commit log now. Cool stuff.
Aug 18 22:32:02 * Decimation figures out symlinks are the problem :P
Aug 18 22:32:07 <rwhitby> even Precentral and PimpMyPre contribute to Preware in their own ways
Aug 18 22:32:10 <max_> happy I can contribute
Aug 18 22:32:14 <tlp> swipe application removal would be cool
Aug 18 22:32:37 <Decimation> tlp: wow, i like the idea.. should be doable.
Aug 18 22:33:06 <tlp> that's how I first attempted to delete an app before figuring it out.
Aug 18 22:33:25 <Decimation> tlp: well.. theres a discussion wiki page
Aug 18 22:33:44 <Decimation> if you want to add your suggestions to the "Features and Suggestions" page, it'd be best :)
Aug 18 22:33:47 <Decimation> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Preware
Aug 18 22:33:51 <tlp> cool, will do
Aug 18 22:34:57 <max_> rwhitby: did you see the latest problem I am having?
Aug 18 22:35:26 <rwhitby> max_: yeah, but can't deal with it now - have to get kids to school.  repeat the steps we did yesterday and see what's different now
Aug 18 22:36:57 <tlp> ahh, I see what just happened. I used Preware to update itself, which borked it again because it doesn't run the postint. :)
Aug 18 22:37:35 <FSUphi1490> I am working on applying an updated patch and I get an error "The topmost patch /opt/src/patches/more_icons_per_row. patch needs to be refreshed first."  How do I go about doing this.
Aug 18 22:46:49 <Decimation> hey guys, someone had a nice idea at precentral
Aug 18 22:47:02 <Decimation> when you flick a card up, it closes
Aug 18 22:47:09 <Decimation> so they want it so that when you flick it down
Aug 18 22:47:18 <Decimation> it locks or something
Aug 18 22:47:20 <Decimation> or minimizes
Aug 18 22:47:23 <Decimation> is that possible?
Aug 18 22:48:48 <scsinutz> How would that be useful?
Aug 18 22:57:13 <FSUphi1490> How do you refresh a patch?
Aug 18 22:59:27 <egaudet> did you run the install script or what commans are you running?
Aug 18 22:59:28 <egaudet> commands*
Aug 18 23:01:52 <FSUphi1490> I went straight through the script in the wiki
Aug 18 23:02:05 <FSUphi1490> I am trying to reload and update the on screen keyboard
Aug 18 23:02:20 <FSUphi1490> but I get an error because I need to refresh the more icons per row patch
Aug 18 23:04:45 <rwhitby> webos quick install postinst bug has been fixed on 2.0.1
Aug 18 23:10:26 <Decimation> nice.
Aug 18 23:11:25 <AnOutsider> evening all
Aug 18 23:12:48 <egaudet> FSUphi1490, what is the output of "/opt/src/modifications/install add-onscreen-keyboard.patch"
Aug 18 23:12:58 <egaudet> "sh /opt/src/modifications/install add-onscreen-keyboard.patch"
Aug 18 23:13:07 <egaudet> actually forgot the sh
Aug 18 23:13:40 <FSUphi1490> pulling latest git tree...
Aug 18 23:13:43 <FSUphi1490> already up to date.
Aug 18 23:13:46 <FSUphi1490> remount / rw...
Aug 18 23:13:51 <FSUphi1490> popping previous patches...
Aug 18 23:14:14 <FSUphi1490> patch /opt/src/patches/more icons per row.patch needs to be refreshed first
Aug 18 23:14:19 <FSUphi1490> error: could not pop patch
Aug 18 23:15:15 <FSUphi1490> I think the error that I have is a I cannot get the more icons per row patch to update or whatever.
Aug 18 23:46:53 <FSUphi1490> If you can help with the following it would be greatly appreciated.
Aug 18 23:46:55 <FSUphi1490> root@castle:/# quilt pop -afR
Aug 18 23:46:56 <FSUphi1490> quilt pop -afR
Aug 18 23:46:58 <FSUphi1490> rm: cannot remove '.pc/more_icons_per_row.patch/.timestamp': Read-only file syst
Aug 18 23:46:59 <FSUphi1490> em
Aug 18 23:47:01 <FSUphi1490> Removing patch /opt/src/patches/more_icons_per_row.patch
Aug 18 23:47:02 <FSUphi1490> Restoring usr/lib/luna/system/luna-applauncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistan
Aug 18 23:47:04 <FSUphi1490> t.js
Aug 18 23:47:05 <FSUphi1490> Could not link file `.pc/more_icons_per_row.patch/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-appla
Aug 18 23:47:07 <AnOutsider> omfg
Aug 18 23:47:07 <FSUphi1490> uncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js' to `usr/lib/luna/system/luna-appla
Aug 18 23:47:08 <FSUphi1490> uncher/app/controllers/launcher-assistant.js': File exists
Aug 18 23:47:10 <FSUphi1490> /opt/share/quilt/scripts/patchfns: line 472: .pc/applied-patches: Read-only file
Aug 18 23:47:12 <AnOutsider> USE THE PASTEBIN!
Aug 18 23:47:12 <FSUphi1490>  system
Aug 18 23:47:14 <FSUphi1490> root@castle:/#
Aug 18 23:47:21 <Eguy> PASTEBIN dammit
Aug 18 23:47:26 <AnOutsider> fucking A
Aug 18 23:48:18 <FSUphi1490> fine explain that too dammit.  I tried to put it in the bin but it didn't accept
Aug 18 23:53:17 <Eguy> lol
Aug 18 23:53:31 <JackieRipper> FSUphi1490: http://predev.pastebin.com/
Aug 18 23:53:55 <jcrawford> what about http://webos.pastebin.com :D
Aug 18 23:54:06 <JackieRipper> heh
Aug 18 23:54:11 <jcrawford> bb tomorrow :)
Aug 18 23:56:13 <Ikyo> FSU: do this: mount -o remount,rw /
Aug 18 23:56:19 <Ikyo> Then try to do the commands
Aug 18 23:56:27 <Eguy> he's not here anymore fellas
Aug 18 23:56:52 <AnOutsider> goddamn help vampires
Aug 18 23:57:04 <AnOutsider> OMFG I can't do this, do it for me!!!111One
Aug 18 23:57:09 <Eguy> LOL
Aug 18 23:57:14 <Eguy> but but but
Aug 18 23:57:19 <Eguy> rooting is so hard
Aug 18 23:57:31 <Eguy> the wiki is too hard to read
Aug 18 23:58:20 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: I just ignore people like that.  I give them something to research first (e.g. read the wiki page) and if they don't do that, then I ignore them from then on.
Aug 18 23:59:06 <rwhitby> e.g. for FSU, I would have asked if he had read the two quilt documents linked at the top of the Applying Patches page, and not helped further until he had.
Aug 19 00:00:10 <JackieRipper> <sigh>
Aug 19 00:00:23 <AnOutsider> Agreed. That's how I measure folks: are they willing to help themselves?
Aug 19 00:00:27 <rwhitby> OK, can someone who is reasonably experienced in the Linux command line, and has Linux access on their Pre right now, do something for me?  I want them to test the org.webosinternals.patch binary on the Pre.
Aug 19 00:00:28 <kesne_> Who here has download the checkers?
Aug 19 00:00:37 <AnOutsider> if not, then I know they're the type that will just drain your resources and disappear without a thanks
Aug 19 00:00:50 <rwhitby> AnOutsider: absolutely
Aug 19 00:00:51 <AnOutsider> whitby what do u need
Aug 19 00:00:55 <AnOutsider> im in there now testing this app
Aug 19 00:01:02 <Eguy> I try to ignore from the start: )
Aug 19 00:01:17 <rwhitby> Use some means to install org.webosinternals.patch from the feeds.  No postinst needed.
Aug 19 00:01:49 <rwhitby> then chmod ugo+x /var/usr/bin/patch
Aug 19 00:01:55 <rwhitby> then run /var/usr/bin/patch --version
Aug 19 00:01:58 <AnOutsider> ok, I might be the wrong person
Aug 19 00:02:02 <AnOutsider> I haven't been doing ANY patching
Aug 19 00:02:13 <rwhitby> don't need to do patching.  just testing the patch binary runs
Aug 19 00:02:51 <AnOutsider> Ok correction: I'm the wrong person because I'm lost as to what you need :-D
Aug 19 00:02:57 <JackieRipper> rwhitby: patch 2.5.9
Aug 19 00:03:03 <JackieRipper> written by Larry Wall and Paul Eggert
Aug 19 00:03:06 <AnOutsider> unless... u wanna EFFIN HELP ME AND GIMME THE ANSWERS!!!!!111
Aug 19 00:03:06 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: thx.  that's all I needed
Aug 19 00:03:10 <AnOutsider> ;)
Aug 19 00:03:24 <JackieRipper> and the warranty in between
Aug 19 00:04:02 <Decimation> Jason gave me an early version of his on-device file browser app
Aug 19 00:04:05 <Decimation> really cool stuff :)
Aug 19 00:04:15 <rwhitby> Internalz?
Aug 19 00:04:34 <egaudet> haptic feedback, orange key, preview keys, keyboard draggable
Aug 19 00:06:06 <Ikyo> Egaudet: you already have all that done?
Aug 19 00:06:11 <destinal> egaudet: you're a maniac
Aug 19 00:06:17 <Decimation> rwhitby: yes
Aug 19 00:06:42 <destinal> Decimation: on-device file browser?
Aug 19 00:07:06 <egaudet> yea, now I just have to create this patch without the damn .png binaries so it won't yell at people trying to patch
Aug 19 00:07:48 <Decimation> destinal: yeah, its made by the guy who made WebOS Quick-Install.. it currently just allows you to browse your filesystem.. and move folders and delete files
Aug 19 00:07:54 <egaudet> I also increased the width of the keyboard, no more rounded edge margins
Aug 19 00:08:03 <Decimation> oh, and open file ithink
Aug 19 00:08:06 <destinal> Decimation: is he looking at the security ramifications of that?
Aug 19 00:08:34 <Decimation> destinal: you'd have to talk to him, or maybe rwhitby, he knew the name of it, he might know something :P
Aug 19 00:09:05 <destinal> mainly it sounds like it may be a great escape from the sandbox, so something to be careful about.
Aug 19 00:09:37 <rwhitby> destinal: yes, I'm in discussions with Jason about security.
Aug 19 00:11:13 <rwhitby> destinal: at the moment, I've convinced him to restrict writeable access to /var and /media/internal.  I have not been able to convince him to restrict read access accordingly, not to look more closely inside /var as to what info could leak out of there.
Aug 19 00:11:25 <AnOutsider> guys if you have a second, I'd like to pick your brains regarding a model issue
Aug 19 00:11:54 <AnOutsider> in my list template, I have this: <div x-mojo-element="ProgressPill" id="progress#{id}"></div>
Aug 19 00:12:16 <Ikyo> Does anyone know if there is a luna-send command to make the phone vibrate?
Aug 19 00:12:34 <AnOutsider> what I'd like to do is setup the widgets using the dynamically generated ID. I'm wondering if the ID is even being picked up though as the widget is never initialized. Does it have to be after the setup function?
Aug 19 00:12:43 <Decimation> Ikyo: there has to be.. kesne did it in his checkers app.
Aug 19 00:14:43 <Decimation> rwhitby: im experiencing a problem with prewares updating system :/
Aug 19 00:15:19 <rwhitby> Decimation: ok, understanding that Preware does not support prerm or postinst scripts yet, what's the problem?
Aug 19 00:15:42 <Decimation> the app "shoutcast" came out with an update
Aug 19 00:15:44 <Decimation> i installed it
Aug 19 00:15:46 <Decimation> went back
Aug 19 00:15:52 <Decimation> and browsed preware for a second
Aug 19 00:16:07 <Decimation> and the application updates was greyed out once more, showing that the update worked fine.
Aug 19 00:16:09 <Decimation> then i closed preware
Aug 19 00:16:12 <Decimation> opened back up
Aug 19 00:16:19 <Decimation> and the same shoutcast update is there again.
Aug 19 00:17:08 <Decimation> everytime i open preware it says i need the update still..
Aug 19 00:18:43 <max_> Ikyo: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/196359-making-phone-vibrate.html
Aug 19 00:18:52 <max_> you need to be a com.palm app tho
Aug 19 00:19:02 <Decimation> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pager_Nagger
Aug 19 00:19:06 <Decimation> he wants to edit that to vibrate
Aug 19 00:19:35 <kesne_> Max_: There is another method that isnt as good that doesnt require the com.palm thing
Aug 19 00:20:14 <rwhitby> Decimation: go into the command line, and type "ipkg -o /var -test upgrade" and tell us what it says
Aug 19 00:20:43 <Ikyo> Kesne: I would need it in the form of luna-send so it would work in the script.
Aug 19 00:21:14 <Decimation> rwhitby: i restarted
Aug 19 00:21:17 <Decimation> then updated again
Aug 19 00:21:23 <Decimation> and when i went back, it was normal
Aug 19 00:21:33 <Decimation> idk why it happened, but it isnt happening anymore..
Aug 19 00:25:23 <JackieRipper> it amazes me that people use that nagger script
Aug 19 00:25:50 <max_> kesne_: what is it?
Aug 19 00:26:05 <Ikyo> putting some extra stuff in it like LED's and vibrate
Aug 19 00:26:41 <JackieRipper> max_: "I use my phone as a pager when I'm on-call at work.  The Pre's notification tone is way too short and quiet to wake me up. Here's a script that will nag you by playing a .wav file every minute while you have unread messages."
Aug 19 00:28:14 <egaudet> new kb patch pushed
Aug 19 00:29:47 <max_> JackieRipper: I meant what is the other method to make the phone vibrate that kesne_ mentioned
Aug 19 00:30:00 <JackieRipper> ahh
Aug 19 00:30:09 <kesne_> I dont remember it
Aug 19 00:32:01 <egaudet> http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6038/browser20091808202658.png
Aug 19 00:32:42 <rwhitby> egaudet: keyboard patch is MIT licensed, right/
Aug 19 00:32:43 <vdevzerov> looks like the BB 8900 kb
Aug 19 00:32:43 <rwhitby> ?
Aug 19 00:33:08 <egaudet> rwhitby, no it's closed source!! now stop looking at it yarrrg
Aug 19 00:33:12 <rwhitby> hehe
Aug 19 00:33:12 <psykoz> If I got to upgrade the keyboard, can I just apply the patch on top of already patched, or should I quilt pop ../path/to/addon first ?
Aug 19 00:33:31 <egaudet> psykoz, pop re-import patch
Aug 19 00:33:42 <egaudet> s/patch/push
Aug 19 00:33:51 <psykoz> okay
Aug 19 00:34:06 <psykoz> so pop path, then quilt import new patch, push.. right?
Aug 19 00:34:14 <psykoz> err pop patch*
Aug 19 00:34:21 <egaudet> yea
Aug 19 00:34:34 <egaudet> make sure you import from /opt/src/modifications/
Aug 19 00:35:00 <psykoz> oh... I've been importing from / like the Applying Patches page says
Aug 19 00:35:04 <psykoz> it has worked fine though both times
Aug 19 00:35:18 <egaudet> you must be in / yes
Aug 19 00:35:26 <egaudet> yea just follow that page you will be fine :)
Aug 19 00:40:03 <Decimation> restarting luna now egaudet: hopefully i reapplied this right :P
Aug 19 00:40:19 <Rick_home> egaudet:   I am STILL mind blown with the popping keys.
Aug 19 00:40:33 <Rick_home> I saw how you did it, and it's WAY cooler than the code suggests
Aug 19 00:41:17 <Decimation> egaudet: keys dont pop for me :/
Aug 19 00:41:29 <Decimation> no feedback, although it said the new patch was applied..
Aug 19 00:42:15 * rwhitby suggests pop -a, to make sure your quilt stack is still sane
Aug 19 00:42:31 <Decimation> damn, ill be back in an hour
Aug 19 00:42:39 <Rick_home> rwhitby:   any more thoughts on webos-internals AutoPatcher?
Aug 19 00:44:19 <rwhitby> Rick_home: doing some experiments.
Aug 19 00:45:28 <Rick_home> the more I think about it, the more tempted I am to say "Screw Security, it's hopeless."    I read Puff's sandbox stuff, and it seems MORE convoluted than even quilt
Aug 19 00:46:08 <rwhitby> Rick_home: PuffTheMagic has an idea about a service being able to communicate with the user by pushing scenes.
Aug 19 00:46:34 <rwhitby> we dunno yet if it's possible.
Aug 19 00:46:37 <PuffTheMagic> well at the very least the ipkgsercice can start up an app
Aug 19 00:46:39 <PuffTheMagic> that i know is possible
Aug 19 00:46:44 <PuffTheMagic> and we can pass that app args
Aug 19 00:46:50 <PuffTheMagic> or it could start headless
Aug 19 00:46:59 <PuffTheMagic> and use dbus to send it commands
Aug 19 00:47:00 <PuffTheMagic> either way
Aug 19 00:47:07 <PuffTheMagic> i solved the confirmation thing
Aug 19 00:49:58 <Rick_home> so the idea is,  that the service sees that there is a postinst,  and popups a scene that says "Oh looky, I got a postinst!" and requests user confirmation?
Aug 19 00:50:25 <rwhitby> and shows the contents of the script to the user, so that rogue postinst authors don't get to hide anything
Aug 19 00:51:15 <rwhitby> since normal webOS apps don't need postinsts, it won't happen often enough for aunt minnie to just ignore it
Aug 19 00:57:23 <egaudet_> stupid power
Aug 19 01:05:54 <Rick_home> I really hate it when installing an app to the emulator causes it to hang.
Aug 19 01:05:58 <Rick_home> and you have no idea why.
Aug 19 01:07:05 <AnOutsider> never had that happen
Aug 19 01:09:07 * oil hasn't either
Aug 19 01:11:00 * rwhitby neither
Aug 19 01:16:57 <Ikyo> does anyone know if it is possible to use luna-send to make the phone vibrate?
Aug 19 01:17:10 <Rick_home> yes
Aug 19 01:22:48 <rwhitby> hey PreGame
Aug 19 01:23:17 <lmorchard> I had an app that made the phone reset.  Commented out call by call until I found the spot :/
Aug 19 01:25:38 <Rick_home> so, you can now WRITE an app that makes the phone reset?
Aug 19 01:28:02 <funkatron> I did that back in February
Aug 19 01:28:04 <rwhitby> only for this webos version?
Aug 19 01:28:04 <funkatron> it was awesome
Aug 19 01:28:12 <AnOutsider> haha
Aug 19 01:28:25 <psykoz> egaudet_, you around?
Aug 19 01:28:37 <egaudet_> psykoz, yea
Aug 19 01:29:05 <lmorchard> Rick_home: Well, it seems like if you have an infinite recursion, you can blow the stack or something and the phone reboots
Aug 19 01:29:19 <psykoz> egaudet_, is the orange key not working or have I fubar'd my patch some how ?
Aug 19 01:29:35 <egaudet_> it should be working
Aug 19 01:29:50 <psykoz> I probably just suck then ;)
Aug 19 01:30:01 <lmorchard> Oh, here's a question probably for #webos - when you use palm-launch -p'{ ... }', where do the parameters go?
Aug 19 01:30:19 <lmorchard> I thought maybe the handleLaunch() in app assistant, but that's not even called in my app.  hmm
Aug 19 01:31:12 <egaudet_> did you reboot psykoz ?
Aug 19 01:31:28 <psykoz> I just usually initctl restart for Luna
Aug 19 01:31:43 <psykoz> but I'm unpatching, rebooting, then patching again, then rebooting for safety reasons
Aug 19 01:31:50 <psykoz> just was curious, not a big deal :)
Aug 19 01:32:10 <max_> rwhitby: good news, I just did a reinstall of preware and I think everything worked
Aug 19 01:32:22 <rwhitby> max_: with webos quick install 2.01 ?
Aug 19 01:32:25 <max_> no
Aug 19 01:32:34 <max_> 2.0
Aug 19 01:32:40 <rwhitby> oh, you want to use 2.01, otherwise you were just lucky :-)
Aug 19 01:32:44 <egaudet_> psykoz, did you pop import -f push
Aug 19 01:32:50 <max_> unless it auto updates
Aug 19 01:32:50 <psykoz> yeah
Aug 19 01:32:58 <rwhitby> max_: it doesn't
Aug 19 01:33:13 <egaudet_> are the keys previewing, are you getting haptic feedback?
Aug 19 01:33:56 <psykoz> nah, I did have the skin but that was from updating earlier today when you released first skins
Aug 19 01:34:19 <psykoz> although I had to manually run the ./install_theme, didn't really see any instructions on how to handle that
Aug 19 01:35:28 <Decimation> egaudet_: no feedback for me
Aug 19 01:36:00 <psykoz> what is haptic feedback btw?
Aug 19 01:37:32 <egaudet_> vibrate on touch
Aug 19 01:38:04 <egaudet_> patch must not have gone through?
Aug 19 01:39:01 <psykoz> yeah trying it over again
Aug 19 01:40:04 <psykoz> okay working now ;)  haptic feedback
Aug 19 01:40:27 <max_> rwhitby: yep I must be lucky. it survives a reboot and everything. have you made progress on getting this fixed so wide adopation of preware can begin?
Aug 19 01:40:53 <rwhitby> max_: quick install 2.01 and ipkgservice 0.5.1 should have it fixed as far as I know
Aug 19 01:41:05 <rwhitby> if someone has both those, and it still fails, I need to know about it.
Aug 19 01:41:12 <max_> has a posting been made on precentral yet?
Aug 19 01:41:20 <max_> as a dedicated thread?
Aug 19 01:41:24 <rwhitby> nope, we're not doing that until we get postinst support in.
Aug 19 01:41:48 <rwhitby> since at the moment it is only functionally equivalent to other installers like PreLoad
Aug 19 01:42:33 <rwhitby> and I'd rather we only need to support the cool people who use IRC first, before opening it up to the PreCentral forum masses ;-)
Aug 19 01:42:35 <max_> k, I like the no rush mentality
Aug 19 01:42:58 <rwhitby> we're using the grass-roots word of mouth method to get beta testers
Aug 19 01:42:59 <Decimation> egaudet: nope, no haptic feedback :/
Aug 19 01:43:15 <k4p741nkrunch> Testing haptic feedback on the new keyboard?
Aug 19 01:43:25 <Eguy> old school methods
Aug 19 01:43:29 <k4p741nkrunch> I was just about to download it
Aug 19 01:43:42 <max_> rwhitby: is there any plan on how to overcome the the already adapted installers?
Aug 19 01:44:00 <Decimation> max_: simple, make this one better :P
Aug 19 01:44:01 <rwhitby> max_: rationale user choice will do that.
Aug 19 01:44:02 <max_> is it to just WOW everyone with features
Aug 19 01:44:05 <psykoz> makes me want haptic feedback when you click on web urls now ;(
Aug 19 01:44:34 <rwhitby> if Preware is the only installer that can one-click install a virtual keyboard, that will be a powerful incentive.
Aug 19 01:49:41 <oil> right now
Aug 19 01:49:52 <oil> knowing you need updates = feature none of the others have
Aug 19 01:52:09 <lmorchard> fwiw, figured out my own question - looks like launch parameters can be read with Mojo.getLaunchParameters()
Aug 19 01:52:30 <lmorchard> next, I'll try Mojo.makeMeASandwich() and see if it works
Aug 19 01:52:40 <PreGame> drnull
Aug 19 01:52:43 <Decimation> oil: it has been done, yes.
Aug 19 01:53:02 <Decimation> PreLoad has a side app called PreUpdater, checks for updates.
Aug 19 01:53:41 <egaudet_> i'll be back
Aug 19 01:53:56 <Decimation> egaudet_: aw man, still havent got my haptic feedback working :(
Aug 19 01:54:07 <oil> oh
Aug 19 01:54:09 <oil> well, i never saw it
Aug 19 01:54:09 <oil> xD
Aug 19 01:54:51 <Decimation> oil: still not all in one app, so yeah.
Aug 19 01:55:59 <oil> and no other on-phone app will have postinst once we get that worked out
Aug 19 01:56:59 <Decimation> its true.
Aug 19 01:57:20 <Barrister> If I am going through the "applying patches" wiki and the clone the webos-internals modifications comes back failed what steps should i take to ensure it is fixed
Aug 19 01:58:26 <rwhitby> Barrister: check your network settings and outgoing firewall to make sure it can pass the git protocol
Aug 19 01:59:07 <Barrister> everything downloaded prior, the only think it says is "fatal: destination path 'modfications' already exists and is not an empty directory
Aug 19 02:00:13 <rwhitby> Barrister: ah, remove the modifications directory and try again
Aug 19 02:00:47 <max_> when is postint going to be working? soon?
Aug 19 02:00:48 <rwhitby> Barrister: and please update the wiki page to highlight that error and the solution
Aug 19 02:01:12 <rwhitby> max_: when it's ready.  You can follow the public git repo checkins to follow along ...
Aug 19 02:01:48 <rwhitby> I'd say somewhere between 2 days and 1 month
Aug 19 02:01:59 <k4p741nkrunch> Alriiight, liking the haptic feedback on the keyboard
Aug 19 02:03:30 <Barrister> so that should say: "git clone git://gitorious.org/webos-internals/" ?
Aug 19 02:04:18 <k4p741nkrunch> Would it be possible to create an app to pretty much perform quilts function but with a GUI and an updating list of patches?
Aug 19 02:04:26 <rwhitby> Barrister: no
Aug 19 02:04:41 <rwhitby> Barrister: remove the local directory on your local filesystem
Aug 19 02:06:42 <Barrister> Sorry for all the questions but how do I go about doing that without fing up the whole thing.  "rm /modifications -f"
Aug 19 02:06:54 <Rick_home> k4p741nkrunch:   yes.  it is certainly possible. the problem is making it safe and secure.
Aug 19 02:07:09 <rwhitby> Barrister: have you read the basic linux usage wiki page?
Aug 19 02:07:39 <Rick_home> k4p741nkrunch:   btw k4p741nkrunch   it's no longer the 1980's.   Consider changing your nick to something more,  uh,  well, consider it.
Aug 19 02:08:03 <oil> lol
Aug 19 02:08:33 <JackieRipper> 2600 man...
Aug 19 02:08:44 <rwhitby> Rick_home: if someone wants to use their root password as their IRC nick, who are we to stop them?
Aug 19 02:08:50 <Rick_home> 2600  Maaaaannn.....  oooowwwwww....
Aug 19 02:09:02 <Rick_home> good point rwhitby
Aug 19 02:09:05 <Barrister> yea, the problem is I have learned just enough to do major damage
Aug 19 02:09:27 <Rick_home> Barrister:   Congratulations.  Most do not make it that far!
Aug 19 02:10:03 <Barrister> That is why I am trying to ask the pro's, I have already reset the pre twice because of something I did trying to learn.
Aug 19 02:10:06 <rwhitby> Barrister: /modifications is different from ./modifications, just like C:/ is different from C:
Aug 19 02:10:38 <Barrister> although I do understand it wont actually get bricked I just don't like the hassle
Aug 19 02:10:55 <Barrister> right cause the ./ means the directory above it too correct? or is it the other way around
Aug 19 02:11:02 <JackieRipper> wait, C: is different than C:/ ?
Aug 19 02:11:14 <rwhitby> JackieRipper: if you're not in / already, yes.
Aug 19 02:11:34 <JackieRipper> oh.... I thought you were talking windows
Aug 19 02:11:34 <rwhitby> (maybe, dunno, don't do DOS anymore :-)
Aug 19 02:11:37 <psykoz> when you co copy *.* c:
Aug 19 02:11:44 <JackieRipper> I have no idea
Aug 19 02:11:58 <psykoz> it copies to what 'pwd' is on c:
Aug 19 02:12:00 <JackieRipper> I haven't used windows aside from outlook in like 9 years
Aug 19 02:12:03 <bpadalino> didn't reading 2600 teach you that ?
Aug 19 02:12:17 <JackieRipper> outlook and hpsd
Aug 19 02:12:57 <k4p741nkrunch> Rick_home: hey I like my name
Aug 19 02:13:04 <JackieRipper> Barrister: / is the root file system, and . is your current directory
Aug 19 02:13:06 <k4p741nkrunch> :P
Aug 19 02:13:39 <JackieRipper> so /home is a subdirectory of the root file system, while ./home is a subdirectory of your current directory
Aug 19 02:13:58 <Rick_home> which COULD be the same as /home
Aug 19 02:14:02 <Rick_home> but might not be
Aug 19 02:14:07 <Rick_home> depending on what .
Aug 19 02:14:09 <Rick_home> is
Aug 19 02:14:12 <JackieRipper> right, if you're in /
Aug 19 02:16:18 <Barrister> so to remove the modifications directory I need to "rm ./modifications" ?
Aug 19 02:16:32 <rwhitby> Barrister: yep
Aug 19 02:16:40 <rwhitby> but you'll want -r as well
Aug 19 02:17:20 <psykoz> rm -R ./modifications
Aug 19 02:17:31 <rwhitby> Barrister: and don't forget the wiki page addition ;-)
Aug 19 02:17:37 <Barrister> -R the same as -rf
Aug 19 02:20:54 <max_> egaudet_: If I have feedback on the newest oskb update, where do you want it?
Aug 19 02:20:58 <max_> is here fine for you?
Aug 19 02:21:20 <egaudet_> sure
Aug 19 02:22:12 <Barrister> Thank you all for the help it worked great.
Aug 19 02:22:46 <max_> first of, if you place your finger down on one key, drag it to another, and release no letter is outputted. this is misleading since the the expanded buttons following your finger
Aug 19 02:23:43 <rwhitby> Barrister: the best thanks is to update the wiki so the next guy doesn't have the same problem.  glad we could help.
Aug 19 02:23:48 <max_> if you choose to include that, the vibrate should occur on the release of the key rather than the down press
Aug 19 02:24:11 <Barrister> already updated
Aug 19 02:24:19 <rwhitby> Barrister: thanks.
Aug 19 02:24:48 <max_> it would be nice if the graphic of the orange key changed when it was activated, because unlike the hwkb the cursor isnt changing
Aug 19 02:25:09 <max_> same with the shift key
Aug 19 02:26:03 <rwhitby> heh - I just realised that WebOS Quick Install's postinst support removes the main reason why MyTether makes people donate to get a no rooting required installer.
Aug 19 02:26:14 <max_> minor issue: the expanded view of the top row gets cut off, persumeably because the images cant go outside of the symbol
Aug 19 02:26:18 <max_> box
Aug 19 02:26:38 <max_> rwhitby: too bad webos-internals cant make a tether app :(
Aug 19 02:26:48 <max_> will that change when the pre is released in canada
Aug 19 02:27:02 <rwhitby> max_: as soon as the Pre is available on a plan that allows tethering, we can do it.
Aug 19 02:27:23 <egaudet_> max_, agree with all of that except for the haptic feedback portion
Aug 19 02:27:43 <egaudet_> it feels really awkward, unnatural and laggy when I try the haptic on key up rather than key down
Aug 19 02:28:02 <max_> oh
Aug 19 02:28:35 <egaudet_> I also have a click sound that I will be putting in as soon as I get the preferences to be user-modifiable
Aug 19 02:28:45 <max_> I think out the haptic feedback as a confirmation of a sucessful tap so it seems like it should only trigger when a letter is actually outputted
Aug 19 02:29:06 <max_> but it sounds like a technical issue
Aug 19 02:29:45 <Barrister> egaudet, you made the on screen keyboard correct?
Aug 19 02:30:14 <egaudet_> yea
Aug 19 02:30:58 <max_> egaudet_: I tthought I saw in one the pics you posted earlier the keboard being lower in the web browser, is ther some way to move it?
Aug 19 02:31:11 <max_> have you made progress on the manual vertical positioning?
Aug 19 02:31:14 <k4p741nkrunch> Yeah love that about the new one
Aug 19 02:31:16 <Barrister> egaudet, I am going to load your patch as soon as everything dl's do I follow the original way or the new one you have up with the sh install thing
Aug 19 02:31:35 <k4p741nkrunch> You just hit the blank key once then tap and drag
Aug 19 02:31:57 <egaudet_> max_, hit one of the blank spaces to enable dragging, then drag the keyboard wherever you want it
Aug 19 02:32:21 <egaudet_> Barrister, the shell install just automates all the steps with error checking
Aug 19 02:32:28 <egaudet_> I'd use it
Aug 19 02:32:39 <k4p741nkrunch> I have tried the sh install a couple times now but it never works while the older version of the patch is still installed.  I have to pop em all, quilt delete the old OSK patch, then push them all again, then run the script
Aug 19 02:33:03 <Barrister> ok so copy and paste both in the cmd and it will work
Aug 19 02:33:14 <max_> egaudet_: omg, soooo smooth. i love it
Aug 19 02:33:19 <Ikyo> are there 3 or 4 people that have time to test a new version of pager nagger that has LED's and vibrate?
Aug 19 02:33:31 <k4p741nkrunch> Sure
Aug 19 02:33:38 <Barrister> equadet, your app is the reason i reset my phone, twice, I didn't do something correct the first time and I couldn't get the thing to come back
Aug 19 02:34:20 <egaudet_> The kb touches files in the frameworks, you can always get the original Palm frameworks/ folder out of the webosdoctor image
Aug 19 02:34:30 <acydlord> if i send someone the 3 files for my messenger modifications would they be willing to create a patch? i'm having an epic brainfart
Aug 19 02:34:43 <max_> egaudet_: why dont the keys enlarge if you press, hold, then release?
Aug 19 02:34:54 <egaudet_> max_, they should?
Aug 19 02:35:08 <max_> the enlarge doesnt work always for me
Aug 19 02:35:46 <egaudet_> There may be spots in between the 2 images that might be dead-zones for the images, I will check that out
Aug 19 02:36:05 <egaudet_> also I believe with sym locked, I don't see the enlarge feedback
Aug 19 02:36:20 <max_> if there is, have it not vibrate when you hit them
Aug 19 02:37:01 <egaudet_> The vibrate is more of a "i touched the screen" thing, rather than a confirmation of a successful key input
Aug 19 02:37:27 <egaudet_> I will definitely look to make things go smoother though
Aug 19 02:37:58 <max_> for me, i know when I touched the screen, I just wanna know if it registered
Aug 19 02:38:42 <egaudet_> If it vibrates, then it registered
Aug 19 02:38:57 <Ikyo> anyone else want to try the new pager nagger script and see if they get any errors
Aug 19 02:39:08 <max_> but it would still vibrate if you touch a "dead spot"
Aug 19 02:39:17 <max_> whatever, minor point tho
Aug 19 02:39:19 <egaudet_> I can't really change it to be a verifier of the key going into the text because it would defeat the purpose since it would be far too laggy
Aug 19 02:39:26 <max_> ya
Aug 19 02:39:30 <max_> its fine as it is
Aug 19 02:39:31 <egaudet_> a dead spot for the image is not a deadspot for the letter though
Aug 19 02:39:35 <max_> ohh
Aug 19 02:39:52 <egaudet_> the dead spot is just a slither where you can see/touch the background, the character still should be registered
Aug 19 02:40:17 <max_> do you have plans for kb use on filter lists? you know, like when you browse apps in preware
Aug 19 02:40:39 <egaudet_> I can probably make the code smarter to know that the element's background should still enlarge the containing image
Aug 19 02:40:58 <egaudet_> yes max_ that has been an issue that I have been working on, haven't cracked it yet
Aug 19 02:41:12 <max_> k
Aug 19 02:41:21 <Ikyo> Decimation goes AFK right as I get this done
Aug 19 02:41:29 <max_> i dont think I have anything else... great job
Aug 19 02:41:56 <egaudet_> thanks, let me know or post it in the thread if you think of anything else
Aug 19 02:42:05 <Decimation> egaudet_: got haptic working :)
Aug 19 02:42:08 <max_> oh, actualy, one more thing. what about getting apps like messaging to work in landscape
Aug 19 02:42:14 <egaudet_> Decimation, nice!
Aug 19 02:42:34 <egaudet_> max_, separate patches would be necessary, haven't looked into it yet
Aug 19 02:45:24 <Ikyo> Can I get 2 more people with a Pre to test a script for me?
Aug 19 02:45:39 <JackieRipper> Ikyo: what sort of script?
Aug 19 02:46:07 <oil> wait a minute
Aug 19 02:46:16 <oil> wrong channel
Aug 19 02:48:51 <Barrister> Another question: I am running the "sudo vi /opt/src/modifications/.git/config" command and it isn't doing anything.  The dl isn't running
Aug 19 02:50:29 <Ikyo> Would many people be interested in a script that sent out your GPS information if the text message didn't show up on the device?
Aug 19 02:50:41 <bsdbandit> maybe
Aug 19 02:50:42 <bsdbandit> lol
Aug 19 02:50:43 <bsdbandit> :)
Aug 19 02:53:24 <ameng> Anyone know how to dubug webos plugin?
Aug 19 02:53:37 <ameng> debug
Aug 19 02:54:12 <MLJones8> Ikyo: I've always be interested in how much battery usage an app like that would be using... Seems like it would take a lot of resources to scan every text message; when one may only use the service a few times (checking on someone or lost phone)
Aug 19 02:54:26 <bsdbandit> im trying to install my first webos app on my phone i created a directory called predev on my macbook now after reading the wiki is says the source directory to match the "id" tag defined in the //appinfo.json// file
Aug 19 02:55:01 <bsdbandit> do i rename it the  /predev in my id
Aug 19 02:55:02 <bsdbandit> ?
Aug 19 02:57:14 <Barrister> eqaudet, I just ran the two codes on the forum site, I still don't get the keyboard
Aug 19 02:57:27 <egaudet_> rebot
Aug 19 02:57:29 <egaudet_> reboot*
Aug 19 02:57:50 <Barrister> complete reboot? not just luna reset
Aug 19 02:58:14 <egaudet_> yea, sometimes luna reset doesn't work don't know why
Aug 19 02:58:14 <bsdbandit> do i rename it the  /predev in my id
Aug 19 02:58:17 <bsdbandit> im trying to install my first webos app on my phone i created a directory called predev on my macbook now after reading the wiki is says the source directory to match the "id" tag defined in the //appinfo.json// file
Aug 19 02:58:22 <bsdbandit> do i rename it the  /predev in my id
Aug 19 02:58:39 <rwhitby> I'm pleased to report that PreCentral have just agreed to provide preware.org with a full metadata feed.
Aug 19 02:58:47 <Barrister> Man I a gonna be ticked at myself if that is all it was this whole time.
Aug 19 02:59:10 <Barrister> when you continue to update well i only have to "quilt pop -a" to run the new thread?
Aug 19 02:59:16 <k4p741nkrunch> Hey someone else should check out ikyos' script, it's really nice!
Aug 19 02:59:26 <rwhitby> that means that the Preware app (and any other installer app using the preware.org feeds) will be able to display all the info that is available for all the applications in the PreCentral feed.
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