**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 19 02:59:56 2009 Aug 19 03:00:49 This is a *big* step (the latest of a number of existing steps they have done) towards open standard interoperability by PreCentral. Aug 19 03:01:07 eguadet, just completely rebooted and still nothing when i tap the gesture area in messaging Aug 19 03:01:58 Barrister, is this your first time installing the kb? are you in an inputtable text field before touching gesture area? Aug 19 03:02:08 rwhitby: YES Aug 19 03:02:17 @rwhitby Cool! Excellent! Aug 19 03:02:19 rwhitby: i knew they'd give in.. just not this soon :P Aug 19 03:02:40 I did a fresh wipe with the os doc, so yes it is now. And I am in messaging in a text with the cursor blinking when i tap gesture area. Aug 19 03:02:41 * oil waits for it to show in Source so he can add it to the app Aug 19 03:02:49 I guess i need to install just the patch first Aug 19 03:03:01 oil: they said it will be next week sometime Aug 19 03:04:20 Barrister, do a "grep black_boxy /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/*" on the pre Aug 19 03:04:25 rwhitby: this is kinda over my head.. so maybe I'm not asking the right question but are users not satisfied with filecoaster? Aug 19 03:04:42 Decimation: note that PreCentral have always been supportive of the open interoperability crusade I have been pushing. Aug 19 03:04:47 egaudet, through the root? Aug 19 03:04:50 wonder what made them change their mind? Aug 19 03:05:10 Barrister, yes Aug 19 03:05:26 ok did it, nothing happened really Aug 19 03:05:37 that means your patch did not go in Aug 19 03:05:48 oil: in my thread for my patch, i made a long post about preware, stating all it could do, because people were asking about an app to apply patches, and i stated preware will eventually do this. Aug 19 03:06:01 and it had some good feedback, maybe someone saw it :P Aug 19 03:06:02 what does "sh /opt/src/modifications/install add-onscreen-keyboard.patch" output? Aug 19 03:06:07 pastebin it Aug 19 03:06:09 MLJones8: I can't speak for PreCentral, but I can't help but think that the release of Preware has had some effect :-) Aug 19 03:06:17 * oil gets linked>? Aug 19 03:06:25 Error: could not pop patch Aug 19 03:06:40 above that? Aug 19 03:06:49 Decimation: I said no promises on the using Preware for patching area ... Aug 19 03:07:24 i used the word hopefully in the post :) Aug 19 03:07:37 pulling latest git tree.... already up-to-date. Remounting / rw... Popping previous patches... no patch removed Error: Could not pop patch Aug 19 03:07:42 Wow I must be out of the loop... I've heard a few mentions about preware but I haven't checked it out yet... I suppose now is the time! Aug 19 03:07:47 oil: I've also been in continual contact with PreCentral and PimpMyPre about preware.org, trying to keep them convinced of the benefits of an open hombrew ecosystem to both of them. Aug 19 03:08:04 Barrister, ok cd / Aug 19 03:08:18 ok Aug 19 03:08:18 would i be able to use the com.palm.app.hello when installing my apps on the pre Aug 19 03:08:21 ? Aug 19 03:08:24 quilt import -f /opt/src/modifications/frameworks/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch Aug 19 03:08:26 quilt push -a Aug 19 03:08:42 then restart luna and all should go well Aug 19 03:08:51 ok Aug 19 03:09:01 Decimation: url for your post about Preware? Aug 19 03:09:10 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/197904-how-get-more-icons-row-launcher-4.html#post1832505 Aug 19 03:10:17 Decimation: you realise that you now need to deal with users in your thread having installation problems :-) Aug 19 03:10:30 rwhitby: i know :P Aug 19 03:10:55 cool. I'm confident you're up to the task. Aug 19 03:12:13 egaudet, you are a god Aug 19 03:12:43 rwhitby: so we now have what we need to load screenshots of precentral apps in preware? Aug 19 03:13:07 Decimation: we will have next week or so. Aug 19 03:13:19 no just try to be helpful. Apparently the script doesn't work on fresh patches, will fix now Aug 19 03:13:49 Decimation: I've updated the wiki page to state quick install 2.01 or later is required. Aug 19 03:14:10 rwhitby: nice, hopefully that resolves a lot of problems. Aug 19 03:14:44 Decimation: it shows that the relationships are just as important as the code ;-) Aug 19 03:15:05 rwhitby: haha, true datt :P Aug 19 03:15:26 What app repo is preware using? precentral? the wiki? Aug 19 03:15:48 MLJones8: preware.org, which is the aggregation of every webos homebrew repo in the universe. Aug 19 03:15:49 MLJones8: precentral, webos-internals, and pimpmypre Aug 19 03:16:09 <|Jason8|> Decimation: Great looking application. It's things like that that keep making me consider getting a Pre when it comes to the GSM market :P Aug 19 03:16:51 Decimation: and any new ones that might pop up ;-) Aug 19 03:17:02 Good stuff, I suppose you all are waiting for a 1.0 version before creating to much buzz? Aug 19 03:17:07 rwhitby: oh the interoperable joys :) Aug 19 03:17:24 MLJones8: yep, 1.0.0 will have postinst support, to get rid of 'rooting' forever. Aug 19 03:17:43 rwhitby: ahhhh, don't call it rooting, thats not what it is! Aug 19 03:17:58 this app needs to be a grass roots movement I think. Aug 19 03:18:45 too much of an influx of 0.5.1 users with problems would delay the 1.0.0 release. Aug 19 03:19:12 the number of users we get here by word of mouth is enough to fix the bugs but not delay development. Aug 19 03:19:39 Cool, good luck :) Aug 19 03:20:06 MLJones8: feel free to help your friends individually install it. Aug 19 03:22:20 Oh, of course. After grabbing the pre on launch day I've been wondering how my carrer would have gone as a computer programmer (what I thought I wanted to be)... Now in my graduate year for my MaCC. I suppose now it will just be hobby 8) Aug 19 03:22:35 can't push to modificatios/ repo? Aug 19 03:23:00 why are you pushing a new version egaudet_? lol Aug 19 03:23:40 fixing install script to not do a pop if there is nothing in quilt series (which was causing it to exit erroneously) Aug 19 03:24:33 egaudet_, while your at it you ought to pop/push only your patch. I don't see any reason to mess with all of them. Aug 19 03:25:15 MLJones8, to ensure that there are no problems/conflicts. Shouldn't hurt and could help Aug 19 03:26:41 egaudet_, thats what I had assumed (but I had come to my own conclusion...) that if there were a conflict then it would still be a conflict... For example your patch would apply cleaning but the conflicting patch wouldn't. Is that not the case? Aug 19 03:26:52 does anyone know if WebOSdoctor has the 1.1.0 image in it? Aug 19 03:27:47 acydlord: yes Aug 19 03:27:50 it does Aug 19 03:28:00 k, thx Aug 19 03:28:19 i didnt bother to back up my origional files, and kinda need them to make a patch lol Aug 19 03:28:35 downloading webosdoctor now though Aug 19 03:28:50 egaudet_: i just realized you made the keyboard scrollable.. :O you're amazing. Aug 19 03:29:14 MLJones8, I don't think it much matters, you are right... if there's a conflict, there's a conflict Aug 19 03:29:53 Decimation, :D it's about the only thing under "options" I can give to the user atm lol Aug 19 03:31:23 egaudet_: now all we need is that darn symbols key :) Aug 19 03:31:40 Decimation, what symbols key? Aug 19 03:32:00 SYM Aug 19 03:32:08 sym is there and works?? Aug 19 03:32:29 I like the way the symbol key works currently... much prettier than Palms version. Aug 19 03:32:30 ahh, i didnt know i could scroll through it Aug 19 03:32:32 lol, silly me. Aug 19 03:33:27 I just have to fix it so it doesn't re-render, because it re-renders to default position when you hit it. so if you move the keyboard down to the bottom then hit it, it re-appears to the default Aug 19 03:36:08 egaudet, it also appears that if you move it to the top of the screen and then tap the gesture area a new keyboard shows up (2 showing on the screen) Aug 19 03:41:28 anyone using a mac? Aug 19 03:45:36 Ikyo: I do. Aug 19 03:47:14 im using a mac Aug 19 03:48:25 BSD, do you use VI or nano for text editing on the pre? Aug 19 03:48:31 vi Aug 19 03:48:47 could you try installing nano and see if it works for you? Aug 19 03:57:11 * rwhitby bbl Aug 19 03:57:39 Ikyo you there? Aug 19 04:09:08 app catalog down? Aug 19 04:10:31 palms? Aug 19 04:10:32 pregame, Palms? It loads for me with the same ol' 35 apps Aug 19 04:10:33 works for me Aug 19 04:12:21 I think we're at 134 apps on precentral's gallery ;) funny we're 100 apps ahead of Palm Aug 19 04:13:37 138... but both have there fair share of worthless apps. Aug 19 04:13:40 I wonder why filecoaster isn't showing 'Internalz" Aug 19 04:15:10 new onscreen kb is looking great Aug 19 04:15:33 nice Aug 19 04:16:01 osk will be so nice when using the phone in landscape mode Aug 19 04:16:26 I've been curious about this... Aug 19 04:16:31 yeah, ive been using it a lot for texting Aug 19 04:16:48 I don't see updates to the oskb coming through preware, is it a git-only update process? Aug 19 04:16:50 only thing is...texting wont work in LS, and in LS the url bar in the browser diappears Aug 19 04:17:12 is it just alpha? Aug 19 04:17:21 And is there further documentation somewhere for reloading the pics/updating the software? I've been trying to keep up, but it's been a challenge. Aug 19 04:17:34 ah ok Aug 19 04:17:49 you have any public betas up or you just messing around? Aug 19 04:18:04 im not sure, it seems pretty hard to follow....i dont even know when a new one is released, i just chance upon on and im like oh! nice Aug 19 04:18:19 lol Aug 19 04:18:23 the new one has haptic feedback which is fantastic Aug 19 04:18:51 whered you find it webos-internals? Aug 19 04:19:55 BSD you still there? Aug 19 04:20:52 who me? Aug 19 04:21:02 gonna go play some ps3, my patch for the messenger will be up tonight or tomorrow Aug 19 04:21:25 what patch for the messenger? Aug 19 04:22:15 one sec, ill get a screenshot Aug 19 04:25:42 http://twitpic.com/dty1p Aug 19 04:26:12 the divider bar only shows up when the day is > 1 and when the transport is changed Aug 19 04:26:33 oooh nice, looks good! Aug 19 04:26:43 and the timestamps are on every message and clean looking Aug 19 04:27:55 acydlord, what is palms interval for putting in the divider bar? Aug 19 04:28:14 ~5min Aug 19 04:28:50 From the start of the last divider? or from the start of the last message? Aug 19 04:29:02 start of last message Aug 19 04:29:28 ... as I look at my message app... that is clearly obvious (start of last msg) Aug 19 04:30:13 yeah, i didnt really like the way palm did the divider bar, makes it too much like ichat Aug 19 04:32:05 Yeh, with a timestamp it really becomes unnecessary. Aug 19 04:33:22 i should submit it to palm for review =x Aug 19 04:33:28 anyway i'm off, be back later Aug 19 04:41:48 did rwhitby leave? Aug 19 04:52:34 rwhitby: Aug 19 04:52:40 wsup with the feed errors Aug 19 04:54:16 Ikoy: i believe so. Aug 19 04:54:23 atlanta: what feed errors? Aug 19 04:54:41 wtf pastebin said spam filter Aug 19 04:54:57 Downloading http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/arch/Packages.gz wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found An error ocurred, return value: 1. Aug 19 04:55:08 Collected errors: ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-sbwdv6 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/arch/Packages.gz' Aug 19 04:55:26 and my preware not working no more Aug 19 04:55:31 * atlanta is sad Aug 19 04:56:06 atlanta: weird.. that happened to me yesterday Aug 19 04:56:12 yup yup Aug 19 04:56:16 does your preware work Aug 19 04:56:21 it does now Aug 19 04:56:22 or just stays loading Aug 19 04:56:23 but it didnt Aug 19 04:56:32 i deleted webos-internals.conf Aug 19 04:56:34 then rebooted Aug 19 04:56:37 and preware worked Aug 19 04:56:44 then i added webos-internals.conf back Aug 19 04:57:05 ok Aug 19 04:57:24 woohoo I got persistent LEDs on incoming messages thanks to ikyo Aug 19 04:59:18 weirds Aug 19 04:59:31 my wifes phone and mine both say "app catalog not available" Aug 19 04:59:38 palms app catalog that is Aug 19 04:59:42 sadness Aug 19 05:00:05 Mine works Aug 19 05:00:18 * PreGame wonders if they have it programmed so crappy that it only works if in evdo and doesn't detect if you are on a wifi connection Aug 19 05:00:31 i am not in evdo but am in wifi Aug 19 05:00:34 i'm in 1x Aug 19 05:00:37 Nah I'm only on wifi and it picked it up Aug 19 05:01:01 maybe they have my ip's blacklisted Aug 19 05:01:23 I have intermittent connection issues sometimes Aug 19 05:01:30 Theres pretty much nothing to get from the palm app catalog anyway... your not missing much ;) Aug 19 05:01:42 my wife just got her phone Aug 19 05:01:44 she wants pandora Aug 19 05:01:49 Usually going to the dialer, hitting the sprint button, then choosing preferences and hitting update network settings solves the problem Aug 19 05:02:16 Updating PRL couldn't hurt either if you're getting bad reception Aug 19 05:06:04 Decimation: you seen this before Aug 19 05:06:05 ? Aug 19 05:06:05 (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.prerm) Aug 19 05:11:50 Decimation: got it to work had to wipe everything out those folders it used Aug 19 05:12:11 lol, nice Aug 19 05:12:26 guess they took that link out of the repo Aug 19 05:13:00 yeah Aug 19 05:13:32 anybody use the roam only hack Aug 19 05:13:32 ? Aug 19 05:24:13 how do you unpack an ipk to look at it? Aug 19 05:28:54 I use roam only Aug 19 05:43:00 The 'feed error' that people are seeing with Preware is the fact that the postinst is not being run and it's not changin 'arch' to armv7 or i686 Aug 19 05:46:32 feed error? Aug 19 06:00:18 lol, my internet sucks Aug 19 06:00:53 k4p741krunch: you here? Aug 19 06:01:18 s/k4p741/k4p741n/ Aug 19 06:01:18 Decimation meant: k4p741nkrunch: you here? Aug 19 06:02:11 rwhitby: i finally figured it out :P Aug 19 06:02:28 Decimation: did you get 42 as well? Aug 19 06:02:51 rwhitby: what are you talkin about..? lol Aug 19 06:03:19 you said you finally figured it out. so did I, and I got 42. Aug 19 06:03:55 I swy Aug 19 06:03:58 Yes I am Aug 19 06:04:14 Decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(number)#In_The_Hitchhiker.27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy Aug 19 06:04:48 You rang? Aug 19 06:04:59 rwhitby: lol, you are hilarious. Aug 19 06:05:14 k4p741krunch: yeah, you said you got the pager mod working? Aug 19 06:05:22 Yep perfectly Aug 19 06:05:39 ill probably mess somethin up if i try :/ Aug 19 06:05:47 Nah it's not hard Aug 19 06:06:04 can you give me a short walkthrough? Aug 19 06:06:06 You can run the script and do a couple test runs to be sure Aug 19 06:06:38 Yeah you need the script first, lemme see if I still have it Aug 19 06:07:01 rwhitby: 42 (forty-two) is the natural number following 41 and preceding 43. Aug 19 06:07:05 who woulda thunk ittt. Aug 19 06:08:00 Decimation: those wikipedia guys are pretty smart .... Aug 19 06:08:18 Ahh, I see someone updated the wiki with the new code Aug 19 06:08:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pager_Nagger Aug 19 06:08:42 copy that text into pager.sh Aug 19 06:10:53 that reminds me of that wheel of fortune episode Aug 19 06:10:59 where it was n*gger Aug 19 06:11:09 and the guy didn't get it right by saying nagger Aug 19 06:11:13 he said something else Aug 19 06:11:24 "People who annoy you... you have 10 seconds.." Aug 19 06:11:27 lol Aug 19 06:11:38 yeah, thats it Aug 19 06:11:50 iPhone owners!... Sh*t that was way off Aug 19 06:12:47 Decimation if you don't want to use vi and copy that text in there I can just give you the link to wget the old script Aug 19 06:12:54 You'll just have to edit a couple lines Aug 19 06:13:17 ok, I gotta do the ipkgservice arch-specific feed differently, so that upgrade works without needing to run postinst. Aug 19 06:13:57 I know it's still in pretty heavy development... Aug 19 06:14:11 But there is currently some information about when packages are added to preware, yes? Aug 19 06:14:18 arch specific? Aug 19 06:14:20 Any way to sort by added/updated timestamp? Aug 19 06:14:41 oil: the armv7 and i686 feeds Aug 19 06:15:04 heisenman: the Last-Updated info only got added to the feeds yesterday. Aug 19 06:15:11 Actual hardware and emu Aug 19 06:15:19 yep Aug 19 06:15:40 all our stuff works on both. accelservice doesn't respond to tilting the laptop though ... Aug 19 06:16:14 haha would be cool if you could hack a hard drive shock sensor into a crude accelerometer Aug 19 06:20:21 oh. uh. So hm Aug 19 06:20:46 wow Aug 19 06:20:54 jason did a good job on the filemanager service and internals Aug 19 06:20:59 er, internalz* Aug 19 06:21:26 oil: he had good open source services to look at (he asked me to point him to stuff to help) Aug 19 06:21:26 I didn't see it on fileCoaster, is it on there now? Aug 19 06:21:38 idk Aug 19 06:21:45 it wasnt in quickinstalls file list either Aug 19 06:21:49 i downloaded them from pc Aug 19 06:21:56 and installed them with quicinstall Aug 19 06:22:02 if Preware doesn't have it, it doesn't exist ;-) Aug 19 06:22:03 (since hte service probably has a postinst) Aug 19 06:22:25 Where would I find the last updated item? Aug 19 06:22:33 I think I'm updated to the lastest version... Aug 19 06:22:40 oil: yeah, I helped him with the postinst script - it should be pretty much the same as ours. Aug 19 06:22:44 of wha? Aug 19 06:23:00 oil: what licensing is the filemanagerservice? Aug 19 06:23:10 pc.net says closed Aug 19 06:24:06 hmm - looks like I'll need to do an analysis to make sure he only used our ideas and information and not our code. Aug 19 06:24:52 lol Aug 19 06:26:51 heh - a guy in #webos just called our 804-page wiki "barren" ... Aug 19 06:27:57 * oil has really only looked at a handful of pages Aug 19 06:31:50 rwhitby: I seem to be updated to the latest build of preware (or so ipkg claims...) Aug 19 06:32:17 Where do I find the last updated list? Aug 19 06:33:41 brb Decimator you disappeared on me Aug 19 06:34:04 heisenman: it's not in the mojo app yet, just the feeds. Aug 19 06:34:33 I'm not yet completely versed in the terminology.,.. Aug 19 06:34:39 but something along the lines of CLI only? Aug 19 06:34:44 * oil will get to that tomrrow Aug 19 06:34:52 ive been hield up on the confimration thing Aug 19 06:36:32 probably just do a viewMenu like in the catalog Aug 19 06:36:33 for sorting Aug 19 06:36:54 That would be awesome. Aug 19 06:37:22 Any way to select from a list of timeframes? Aug 19 06:37:28 hour/day/week/month? Aug 19 06:42:03 itl just list by most recently updated first Aug 19 06:42:08 and show all in the current list Aug 19 06:42:13 nod Aug 19 06:44:58 like fileCoaster does now is perfect Aug 19 06:45:05 but better Aug 19 06:45:20 with today/yesterday/etc breakdown dividers Aug 19 07:05:37 lmao Aug 19 07:05:47 why does the auto-correct on the pre change "sucks" to "ducks" Aug 19 07:06:03 cause nothing on the Pre sucks? Aug 19 07:08:00 lol, lets just say, i was talking to my girlfriend, at 3 AM, and tried to say sucks.. and it came out as ducks Aug 19 07:08:07 NOW THAT SUCKS. Aug 19 07:08:37 no Aug 19 07:08:39 THAT DUCKS Aug 19 07:08:44 :P Aug 19 07:09:28 oil: nothing better to do but fill this IRC with sarcasm? :P Aug 19 07:09:57 that was in between lines of code Aug 19 07:12:16 oil: leave snarky comments all over the preware code. Aug 19 07:12:22 dont worry, its acceptable, palm did it :P Aug 19 07:12:57 lol Aug 19 07:14:00 Decimation: they went back and removed a lot of them in 1.0.4 and 1.1.0 Aug 19 07:14:50 i can see it now.. every line on 1.2.0 being followed by "// carl, you duck!" Aug 19 07:17:16 i found this in palms code. Aug 19 07:17:22 var IMLabels = { 'aol': 'AIM', Aug 19 07:17:23 'yahoo': 'Yahoo!', Aug 19 07:17:25 'gmail': 'Google', Aug 19 07:17:26 'msn': 'MSN', Aug 19 07:17:28 'jabber': 'Jabber', Aug 19 07:17:30 'icq': 'ICQ', Aug 19 07:17:31 'noDomain': 'IM' Aug 19 07:17:33 }; Aug 19 07:17:35 does that mean they plan to support all those in the messaging app? lol Aug 19 07:23:51 http://i30.tinypic.com/346wb2a.png Aug 19 07:24:19 thoughts? Aug 19 07:25:33 113 people idling? Aug 19 07:34:13 Did you see the messenger debug menu where Palm put "All your debug are belong to us" Aug 19 07:56:26 oil: im here to give you feedback! Aug 19 07:56:33 lol Aug 19 07:56:34 well Aug 19 07:56:44 im putting in my own scroller Aug 19 07:56:48 so i can scroll horizontal, too Aug 19 07:57:05 lol, your project.. go for it :P Aug 19 07:58:14 well Aug 19 07:58:19 textwrap on commands Aug 19 07:58:21 makes them art to read Aug 19 07:58:24 hard* Aug 19 07:58:31 it is very true. Aug 19 07:59:13 so is postinst working on any actual apps? Aug 19 07:59:14 lol Aug 19 07:59:20 no Aug 19 07:59:37 this is so ipkgservice can do it with some form of seceurity Aug 19 07:59:41 by prompting the user Aug 19 08:00:03 prompt user+show script = best way... Aug 19 08:00:26 though Aug 19 08:00:26 if the user gets fucked, that way we can just say.. shoulda checked the script :P Aug 19 08:00:29 most probably wont understand Aug 19 08:00:40 i doubt that malicious apps will be a problem here. Aug 19 08:07:51 http://i25.tinypic.com/107ly05.png Aug 19 08:07:52 ok Aug 19 08:07:56 im pushing that to the repo Aug 19 08:11:22 There should be a small quiz Aug 19 08:11:48 lol Aug 19 08:11:54 "what is your favorite color?" Aug 19 08:11:57 "WRONG!" Aug 19 08:12:06 Decimation: the fact that the script can be seen by the user is the reason why malicious apps won't be a problem. without that, they quite possible may be. Aug 19 08:12:08 Like "You need higher level access to run the script, the correct command would be.." Sudo, Judo, or Jello Aug 19 08:12:21 oil: I liked the orange - it meant "caution" to me. Aug 19 08:12:28 eh Aug 19 08:12:33 traffic lights - red orange green Aug 19 08:12:34 it was the "alternate" style Aug 19 08:12:54 orange please, matching the triangle above it :-) Aug 19 08:12:56 and i found that the popup has a negative style Aug 19 08:13:06 so i put that on cancel Aug 19 08:13:07 Fact is if even one person reads the script and sees an rm -rf they'll let people know Aug 19 08:13:24 changing the colors would require me making a new image Aug 19 08:13:29 here im just using what palms got Aug 19 08:13:34 except for the scroll fades Aug 19 08:13:36 k4p741nkrunch: yep, that's the deterrent we're looking for. many eyes, even if most don't look, enough will. Aug 19 08:14:09 oil: ah, ok. if you're not choosing the colours, then just go with that. Aug 19 08:14:13 You can't obfuscate code for the pre can you Aug 19 08:14:25 you can try Aug 19 08:14:25 haha Aug 19 08:14:39 k4p741nkrunch: you can obfuscate shell code, just like PreGame obfuscates the javascript in fileCoaster Aug 19 08:15:00 but that would be a dead giveaway, right? Aug 19 08:15:20 Yeah we need some ground rules, no obfuscation unless you're cool Aug 19 08:15:21 * oil just chooses "ok" Aug 19 08:15:36 im glad i got the popup window working Aug 19 08:15:37 its sexy Aug 19 08:15:43 it *is* Aug 19 08:15:46 and if you dont click view Aug 19 08:15:49 I'm glad I removed the background on launcher Aug 19 08:15:51 itl seem like its part of it Aug 19 08:15:53 It looks sliiick Aug 19 08:15:59 like the gps popup in maps Aug 19 08:16:06 if you have it set to ask you Aug 19 08:16:15 it feels... right Aug 19 08:16:24 oil: this is exactly the concept I had envisioned for the secure informed user consent service Aug 19 08:16:54 and if its installing multiple Aug 19 08:16:56 Oh noes, UAC for the pre?? Aug 19 08:17:00 and needs to run 3 postinsts Aug 19 08:17:04 after you ok or cancel one Aug 19 08:17:06 oil: "post installation script" ? Aug 19 08:17:07 the next pops up on its own Aug 19 08:17:21 oil: (wording change) Aug 19 08:17:29 eh? Aug 19 08:17:41 it just.. seems to work.. like when your driving and all the red lights ahead of you are turning green.. binggg bingggg binggg. Aug 19 08:17:43 in the text, please change "post install script" to "post installation script" Aug 19 08:17:54 ive pushed it Aug 19 08:17:56 anyone can change it xD Aug 19 08:18:24 I'll have to overcome my fear of causing a git merge for you .. Aug 19 08:18:36 ikgservice/app/views/confirm-window/confirm-window-scene.html Aug 19 08:18:45 as long as i pull before changing it Aug 19 08:18:49 (i pull often now) Aug 19 08:18:51 oil: ok, cool. Aug 19 08:18:52 * Decimation is surprised there wasnt a snarky comment on what he said :P Aug 19 08:19:17 So lemme get this straight, you guys are creating a basis for installing apps that need root level access through an app catalog style program on the pre? Aug 19 08:19:27 right Aug 19 08:19:29 oil: I'll think of some more things for the easter egg too ... Aug 19 08:19:39 kik Aug 19 08:19:41 k4p741nkrunch: yep Aug 19 08:19:43 lol* Aug 19 08:20:11 k4p741nkrunch: that's been the whole drive behind the Preware app. Aug 19 08:20:15 rwhitby: i tested it on my pre--- you can browse and remove apps without connection Aug 19 08:20:29 and if you've previously loaded it, it even brings hte icons out of cache Aug 19 08:20:45 everything else (including all the other features that are the same as the other installer apps) are just scaffolding to get to this point. Aug 19 08:20:55 oil: awesome. Aug 19 08:21:06 oil: so this thing's feature complete now to the design Aug 19 08:21:16 well Aug 19 08:21:23 i dont think this is called by the service Aug 19 08:21:25 (apart from the extras in the description area, waiting on the full feed xml) Aug 19 08:21:28 (the confirmation app) Aug 19 08:21:33 Make it so if you type themeaningoflifetheuniverseandeverything it will install kismet and metasploit :P Aug 19 08:21:39 nor does it have any code to tell the service what they selected Aug 19 08:21:49 but dropping that in is like 2 mins once the service can handle it Aug 19 08:21:49 k4p741nkrunch: the wifi drivers don't support it. Aug 19 08:22:02 k4p741nkrunch: we can run tcpdump instead if you like Aug 19 08:22:04 Yeah I actually was reading up on that :P Aug 19 08:22:24 ethercap would be excellent Aug 19 08:22:43 tcpdump and wireshark are in optware already Aug 19 08:23:06 I run them all the time on the emulator to snoop the proprietary feeds Aug 19 08:23:29 (oh, hang on, there aren't any proprietary feeds anymore :-) Aug 19 08:23:31 I wouldn't have much use for them honestly Aug 19 08:23:56 Unless I decided to visit a college campus, hop on wifi, and have some fun Aug 19 08:24:22 Besides, my PSP has aircrack on it so gives me a reason not to throw it away for my shiny new pre Aug 19 08:25:20 So is the preware app already up? Aug 19 08:26:51 * rwhitby tweets the sneak peek at the security features ... Aug 19 08:27:13 k4p741nkrunch: it's been in the feeds for a couple of days now Aug 19 08:27:35 ohh, yeah my b Aug 19 08:28:32 * rwhitby notes that chuq@palm follows the @webosinternals twitter account, so will see that ... Aug 19 08:28:35 installing it with quick install is the only way Aug 19 08:29:14 the confirmation mojo was only what, 5, 6 hours of my time? Aug 19 08:29:17 xD Aug 19 08:29:26 :P Aug 19 08:29:32 all worth it :) Aug 19 08:29:46 got off the phone with palm guy who is going to help getting my games into their catalog Aug 19 08:29:49 then got right to work on this Aug 19 08:29:50 haha Aug 19 08:29:56 lol Aug 19 08:30:28 does your palm-guy know about your preware development? :P Aug 19 08:30:34 no Aug 19 08:30:35 shh Aug 19 08:30:42 IM TELLIN MOM Aug 19 08:30:44 :) Aug 19 08:30:52 binggg binggg bingggg. Aug 19 08:31:09 "like you're not even trying... just going with the flow." Aug 19 08:31:10 * oil adds "if user = Decimation window.close" to preware Aug 19 08:31:40 Decimation: the palm guys know everything that happens here. we make sure that is the case. Aug 19 08:31:42 * Decimation is going to change it the second it gets pushed... loves that its open source :P Aug 19 08:31:51 haha Aug 19 08:32:00 * oil cant wait for precentral to toss their description + screenshots into the feeds Aug 19 08:32:02 Are the ipkgservice and the preware app compiled as ipks? Aug 19 08:32:10 then the app view in preware can be more sexy to match the rest of it Aug 19 08:32:22 k4p741nkrunch: yep, they are in the preware.org webos-internals feed Aug 19 08:32:25 rwhitby: i figured that much..i assume they are happy we are keeping the community busy while they finish their stuff up :P Aug 19 08:32:40 even when they're finished Aug 19 08:32:42 I'm looking through the webos-internals feed now but I can only see the source tree and no ipks Aug 19 08:32:44 preware will have a call Aug 19 08:32:47 Chuq said in San Diego that he loves homebrew Aug 19 08:32:52 since it will be able to do all the stuff their catalog cant Aug 19 08:33:19 like internalz Aug 19 08:33:34 k4p741nkrunch: you're looking on preware.org ? Aug 19 08:33:43 ahh just went to preware.org and I see them Aug 19 08:33:53 well you have to use quickinstall to install it Aug 19 08:33:55 rwhitby: i couldn't see why the wouldn't.. all it does is increase sales and intrigue people such as myself :) Aug 19 08:34:09 so just browse it in its feed browser and downlaod+install them Aug 19 08:34:15 k4p741nkrunch: WebOS Quick Install and Preware and PreLoad all use the preware.org feeds Aug 19 08:34:46 hey Aug 19 08:34:49 * rwhitby loves how all these pieces have fallen into place .... mwuahahhahahaahahah!!!!! Aug 19 08:34:53 were was it in the filesystem that the test image was stored? Aug 19 08:34:58 * oil wants to find it in internals Aug 19 08:35:01 what is going on in here Aug 19 08:35:04 I don't really use WebOS quick install, it pulls from feeds? Aug 19 08:35:17 yeah Aug 19 08:35:18 all this evil talk haha Aug 19 08:35:26 evil Aug 19 08:35:27 k4p741nkrunch: WebOS Quick Install is (temporarily) the best app installer Aug 19 08:35:30 we've been stoping the evil Aug 19 08:35:40 I keep seeing the popups Aug 19 08:35:47 Ahh ok Aug 19 08:36:24 i have a question for you guys. Aug 19 08:36:28 "You ever have one of those days when everything just... seems to work. Like, when you're driving and all the red lights ahead of you are turing green. Going.... bing, bing bing. Like you're not even trying...just, going with the flow." Aug 19 08:36:32 Crap, can't remember where I put the jar Aug 19 08:36:40 though even when preware is 1.0.0, you will still need quickinstall to get it onto a stock pre Aug 19 08:36:49 it will always be step #1 Aug 19 08:36:53 yep Aug 19 08:37:11 which is cool, cause jason is a cool guy Aug 19 08:37:21 oil: you had a good discussion with him? Aug 19 08:37:22 k4p741nkrunch: I got the jar right here Aug 19 08:37:25 yeah Aug 19 08:37:33 It has cookies in it though Aug 19 08:37:33 he said the same about you :-) Aug 19 08:37:52 thats good Aug 19 08:37:57 i hate it when i come off as a dick on accident Aug 19 08:38:01 xD Aug 19 08:38:02 pity he keeps everything closed source, but that's his choice. I respect it, but continually nudge him about it :-) Aug 19 08:38:18 he talks to me often. Aug 19 08:38:31 e.g. "You know that would be so much easier to debug if it was open source ...." Aug 19 08:38:32 im pretty sure my original app installation GUI inspired his work. Aug 19 08:38:48 or "You could just use this code as-is if your app was open source ...." Aug 19 08:38:51 i passed on my ipkg feed ideas to him a bit back.. along with the utilization of patching from the desktop Aug 19 08:38:52 Ahh found the jar Aug 19 08:38:56 he made it all possible though :) Aug 19 08:39:10 i think the tweak screen in it is awesome Aug 19 08:39:12 Mhmm good cookies, now back to preware! Aug 19 08:39:39 k4p741nkrunch: clever :P Aug 19 08:39:51 Oooh, version 1.4 is probably old Aug 19 08:39:52 Decimation: yeah, he has been very receptive to my particular demands on how postinstall stuff should be done ... Aug 19 08:39:57 Those cookies were stale! Aug 19 08:40:14 you need to clear your cookies every once in a whie Aug 19 08:40:21 so marketers can't fallow you Aug 19 08:40:38 sorry Aug 19 08:40:48 rwhitby: yeah, he always keeps me updated on his work and has me test early versions of his stuff Aug 19 08:40:48 they were from 2 weeks ago Aug 19 08:40:51 i like him, pretty nice guy. Aug 19 08:40:58 pretty smart as well. Aug 19 08:41:01 Well main reason I say that's probably old is I don't see this WebOS quick install pulling from any feeds Aug 19 08:41:18 Jason is clever about working with the ecosystem that's evolving around him, rather than trying to do everything himself like fileCoaster. Aug 19 08:41:22 quickinstall = desktop app Aug 19 08:41:42 desktop app = not in any feeds Aug 19 08:41:51 I don't really use WebOS quick install, it pulls from feeds? Aug 19 08:41:51 yeah Aug 19 08:41:53 Why all the hate on filecoaster did I miss something? Aug 19 08:41:54 oil: hes saying its not pulling from feeds. Aug 19 08:41:58 oh Aug 19 08:42:05 * oil needs to learn to read Aug 19 08:42:13 It's ok, just confused me is all Aug 19 08:42:15 i shouldn't have dropped out before they got to that lesson Aug 19 08:42:23 I still need it to install the ipks Aug 19 08:42:43 Eguy: closed source, redistribution prohibited, proprietary feed, doesn't do postinst, doesn't do open standard ipkg feeds, .... Aug 19 08:42:45 k4p741nkrunch: you need to look at this... http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194832-webos-quick-install.html Aug 19 08:42:57 Eguy: filecoaster is the kid on the playground who won't share any of his toys Aug 19 08:43:31 oil: and ends up with old toys when everyone else finishes building their super-dooper interoperating toys Aug 19 08:43:41 lol Aug 19 08:43:42 oh Aug 19 08:43:44 lol Aug 19 08:43:46 geesh Aug 19 08:43:55 remind me not to make a closed source app lol Aug 19 08:43:59 around here Aug 19 08:44:29 lol Aug 19 08:44:33 I am still running terminal 0.6 hahahaha haven't had the chance to upgrade Aug 19 08:44:34 Eguy: lol, yeah, the source closes.. the trash talk starts... Aug 19 08:44:37 Eguy: PreGame was part of the webos-internals quest for open knowledge right at the start, and did some great stuff. then he went into isolation and closed source and obfuscated code and proprietary feeds. Aug 19 08:44:41 I already have quick install and all the pieces are there, but I only used it one time to get things going, then I did the rest from the pre itself Aug 19 08:45:03 well, once preware goes 1.0.0 and supports postinst Aug 19 08:45:10 I still like his flashlight :) Aug 19 08:45:20 I use it all the time Aug 19 08:45:46 Eguy: do you like the huge security hole that is in it, allowing a rogue webos app to get your bank details and phone home with them? Aug 19 08:46:01 I have to install ipkgservice reboot, then install preware right Aug 19 08:46:11 bank details? Aug 19 08:46:12 Or just not both in the same batch Aug 19 08:46:16 (or have you updated to the latest flashlight service that Jason fixed according to my instructions) Aug 19 08:46:32 I don't have the the old service anymore ;) Aug 19 08:46:49 Oooh see, I don't trust obfuscation Aug 19 08:46:55 rwhitby: where is that at? Aug 19 08:47:10 oil: near the end of the flashlight thread Aug 19 08:47:35 Jason was trying to get PreGame to update the postinst so that the flashlight could be installed with WebOS Quick Install. Aug 19 08:47:48 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/187407-my-flashlight-7-1-a-16.html#post1832618 Aug 19 08:47:51 And really, do I have to reboot after ipkg service before preware or just not in the same batch Aug 19 08:47:52 I pointed out the huge security hole that he would be proliferating by doing so. Aug 19 08:48:06 k4p741nkrunch: you don't have to reboot, Aug 19 08:48:11 gotcha thanx Aug 19 08:48:12 k4p741nkrunch: where does it say to reboot? Aug 19 08:48:31 k4p741nkrunch: actually, with 2.01 quick installer that may be fixed. I'll have to test that. Aug 19 08:49:01 My flashlight works without the webosinternals service somehow Aug 19 08:49:10 Eguy: so Jason trimmed down the service to only controlling the flash, as I advised, before redoing the packaging to match our postinst packaging standards Aug 19 08:49:38 Eguy: it's not a webosinternal service, it's a net.precoder.prelease service Aug 19 08:49:41 I'm using 1.4, I couldn't find a later one Aug 19 08:50:31 if you installed flashlight before the post that Decimation pasted above, you have a wide open Pre vulnerable to root exploits by any webos app you install. Aug 19 08:50:54 i think its funny that jason put the internalz file management service in precentrals catalog Aug 19 08:50:58 Even with a subuser config? Aug 19 08:51:06 howmany people are going to try to install it then wonder why it doesnt work? Aug 19 08:51:16 oil: they will blame fileCoaster ;-) Aug 19 08:51:28 it's classic. Aug 19 08:51:31 good to know Aug 19 08:51:41 Preware 1.0.0 will install it fine. Aug 19 08:51:46 that explains the fraud on my creditcard Aug 19 08:51:51 jason only did the service? (for the flashlight app) Aug 19 08:51:58 hahah I am kidding about that Aug 19 08:51:59 Latest version is 0.5.1 right? Aug 19 08:52:09 oil: Jason trimmed the service that PreGame originally did Aug 19 08:52:27 ok Aug 19 08:52:33 so ill find the app too Aug 19 08:53:12 oh Aug 19 08:53:17 there is no ipk for the mojo app? Aug 19 08:53:17 This app is taking forever on the initial update, could it be because I"m still in dev mode? Aug 19 08:53:42 k4p741nkrunch: which version of quick install did you use? Aug 19 08:53:47 1.4 Aug 19 08:53:52 fail Aug 19 08:54:08 I said it a couple times, I couldn't find a later one Aug 19 08:54:14 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194832-webos-quick-install.html Aug 19 08:54:19 linked there at the bottom of hte first post Aug 19 08:54:46 k4p741nkrunch: you need 2.01 Aug 19 08:55:24 k4p741nkrunch: follow this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 19 08:56:38 * oil is going to replace the screenshots for preware in teh wiki after he puts in the sorting Aug 19 08:56:46 it looks funny with the squared screen patch Aug 19 08:57:47 oil: oh, I hadn't realised I'd left that in my emulator :-) Aug 19 08:57:54 lol Aug 19 08:58:01 and using it in airplane mode looks funny, too Aug 19 08:58:03 haha Aug 19 08:58:18 oil: :o, you're sorting them now.. by like date and stuff? cant wait for the new version :) Aug 19 08:58:20 * oil browses palms app to steal their sorting icons Aug 19 08:58:26 no Aug 19 08:58:31 i was going to get it in there this evening Aug 19 08:58:32 oil: please do update the screenshots Aug 19 08:58:42 but got sidetracked to the confirmation app Aug 19 08:58:47 As my interwebs break Aug 19 08:58:47 so tomorrow Aug 19 08:58:48 maybe Aug 19 08:59:13 Eguy: you don't get this interaction with fileCoaster's developers either .... Aug 19 08:59:23 lol Aug 19 08:59:31 # 1 Preware - Version: Alpha 0.5.1 (18 Aug 2009) (first public release) Aug 19 08:59:48 since when is 0.5.1 the first public release? Aug 19 08:59:56 since rwhitby renamed it Aug 19 09:00:00 LOL gee Rod you sure have changed recently hahaha Aug 19 09:00:04 its been available to the public since like... 0.0.2.. lol Aug 19 09:01:44 Eguy: let's just say I don't react well with wolves in sheep's clothing :-) Aug 19 09:01:59 I absolutely HAVE to load the ipkgservice and preware app with 2.01? Isn't the ipk getting on the pre all that matters? Aug 19 09:02:08 Eguy: WebOS Quick Install, for instance, is closed source, and I shout support for it from the rooftops. Aug 19 09:02:31 I know Jason, he is a good guy Aug 19 09:02:35 * Decimation is disappointed the video recording app project slowly died off :( Aug 19 09:02:45 I tried that today Aug 19 09:02:53 Eguy: he's up-front about what he's doing and why he's doing it. Aug 19 09:03:10 He is in here somewhere.... Aug 19 09:03:11 Was looking for .mts players or codecs Aug 19 09:03:19 k4p741n: you need 2.01 to run the postinst script Aug 19 09:03:37 Oh, where is the postinst script? Aug 19 09:03:52 k4p741n: have you read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware yet? Aug 19 09:04:01 (top to bottom, before starting?) Aug 19 09:04:30 I have too many pages open at once, I think I missed something important, lemme do that :P Aug 19 09:04:39 lol Aug 19 09:04:50 Decimation: once we finish off Preware people will have more time to focus on the video recording. Aug 19 09:04:58 k4p741n = aunt minnie Aug 19 09:05:04 heh Aug 19 09:05:07 hahahah Aug 19 09:05:14 no Aug 19 09:05:19 Who the hell is aunt minnie? Aug 19 09:05:23 aunt minnie would have read it as to not break her pre Aug 19 09:05:48 aunt minnie is our fictional user who we're targeting our instructions and workflows towards Aug 19 09:05:52 lol Aug 19 09:05:54 rwhitby: lol, okay, because i thought people were really getting somewhere with that, then i stopped hearing about it :( Aug 19 09:06:27 she doesn't know how to use Linux, but want's the most advanced homebrew apps, services and plugins that are available Aug 19 09:06:27 note to self: make it so you can't run multiple prewares Aug 19 09:06:33 I normally read instructions full through before I even start, I just figured I'd gone through enough ipk installs recently to be able to write an article on em, didn't know each one had a wiki Aug 19 09:06:54 k4p741n: the postinst is important on services and plugins Aug 19 09:07:02 What is this thing you refer to called reading instructions? Aug 19 09:07:32 Don't worry, it's a human thing Aug 19 09:07:51 Eguy: i have the same question... never heard of such a thing. Aug 19 09:08:00 Cannot compute Aug 19 09:08:40 lol, i just realized Aug 19 09:08:51 ive learned so much from being in the homebrew commnuity Aug 19 09:09:04 What is homebrew? Aug 19 09:09:06 before this, i have never had ANY experience with linux.. Aug 19 09:09:17 * oil has only been in #webos-internals since friday xD Aug 19 09:09:29 Eguy: would you prefer jailbreakers :P Aug 19 09:09:30 oil makes awesome apps though Aug 19 09:09:36 lol Aug 19 09:09:38 * rwhitby has been in it a bit longer ;-) Aug 19 09:09:55 did you saw jailbait Decimation? Aug 19 09:10:00 say* Aug 19 09:10:06 * rwhitby has not written a single webOS application Aug 19 09:10:09 Oil, you must have gotten into the homebrew community a long time ago Aug 19 09:10:14 * Eguy does not know what a Pre is Aug 19 09:10:31 Is that what my phone is called? Aug 19 09:10:36 * Decimation doesn't know javascript but has a class on it when school starts... the benefits of attending an advanced high school :) Aug 19 09:10:36 Eguy: he would have only said that in -watercooler Aug 19 09:10:48 hahaha rwhitby Aug 19 09:10:57 It's so dead in there I had to come here Aug 19 09:11:13 there is another channel? Aug 19 09:11:17 Eguy: just don't bring the filth with you :-) Aug 19 09:11:24 watercooler aparently Aug 19 09:11:24 hahahah Aug 19 09:11:28 no flith Aug 19 09:11:44 ive got a lot of screen realestate to fill up Aug 19 09:11:48 maybe ill join it Aug 19 09:11:49 oil: #webos-internals-watercooler, where on-topic guidelines do not apply Aug 19 09:11:51 Where bigshot Edoods go hang out and brag about their code and rag on their boss Aug 19 09:12:07 it's just #webos-watercooler Aug 19 09:12:12 oh, sorry. Aug 19 09:12:32 shameless plug Aug 19 09:12:34 hahah Aug 19 09:12:41 my X-rated IRC filter stopped allowing me to access the channel Aug 19 09:12:49 hahahaha Aug 19 09:12:54 rwhitby: :P:P:P Aug 19 09:13:00 yeah we do get down to business in there Aug 19 09:13:07 What's the point of an X-rated filter? Aug 19 09:13:07 the Adult App Catalog Aug 19 09:13:17 * oil waits for porn apps Aug 19 09:13:21 hahahha Aug 19 09:13:33 finally, I hated that guy Aug 19 09:13:37 oil: I'm sure there will be instructions on how to add a custom feed to Preware for such Aug 19 09:13:48 hah, you can openly say ' p**p" in there an no one cares! Aug 19 09:13:49 instructions? Aug 19 09:14:02 not default? Aug 19 09:14:06 you know aunt minnie wahts some Aug 19 09:14:23 * rwhitby bbl, time to go home. Aug 19 09:15:00 awesome work by PuffTheMagic and oil on the secure informed user consent stuff today. Aug 19 09:15:15 http://i30.tinypic.com/28a45xy.jpg Aug 19 09:15:17 where oil codes Aug 19 09:15:20 It's late here Aug 19 09:15:40 and pleasant news from PreCentral that they agreed to open up the full feed metadata. Aug 19 09:15:52 yeah, i hope they get it in there soonish Aug 19 09:16:07 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3464897980_8a29554d97_b.jpg where Eguy downloads oil's code Aug 19 09:16:19 lol Aug 19 09:16:19 Woohoo, Aunt Minnie's got some workin preware Aug 19 09:16:23 2 monitors, nice Aug 19 09:16:30 43" :D Aug 19 09:16:34 the only thing ebtter then 2 is 3 Aug 19 09:16:36 45"** Aug 19 09:16:47 i keep trying to get 3 at work Aug 19 09:16:50 but im stuck with 2 ;( Aug 19 09:16:56 ugh... my computers just what i could save up for... which isnt easy when you're 14 :/ Aug 19 09:17:15 You don't have this though Aug 19 09:17:16 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3637/3374378442_3f665c22e3_b.jpg Aug 19 09:17:19 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/NAS-Server <- webos-internals.org hardware Aug 19 09:17:19 muahahahah Aug 19 09:17:22 lol Aug 19 09:17:32 Oil, I wouldn't smoke if I was you, you might explode.. then the webos community would lose a great coder Aug 19 09:17:35 23" monitor.. amd quad core... 8 gigs of ram.. nvidia 9800 gtx.. Aug 19 09:17:45 im far too lazy to have water cooling Aug 19 09:17:54 it would spring a leak and fry my shit Aug 19 09:17:57 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/osuosl/IMG_2052 <- the rack where webos-internals.org is hosted, just above master.kernel.org Aug 19 09:18:10 lol Aug 19 09:18:24 oil: I'm not joking. Aug 19 09:18:39 Wow that looks like this place I used to work, Limelight Networks Aug 19 09:18:50 I have a rack like that at work Aug 19 09:18:59 with a lot more servers though haha Aug 19 09:19:03 * oil needs a rack like that at home Aug 19 09:19:10 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/slug-central/IMGP4016 <- a very old picture of my network shelf at home - it's changed a bit since then Aug 19 09:19:27 (that was at the height of the nslu2-linux.org days) Aug 19 09:19:33 im 14, up at 5:19 AM in a webos IRC channel, talking about computers and listening to techno. Aug 19 09:19:41 theres something wrong with me. Aug 19 09:19:48 tell me about it Aug 19 09:19:51 you're listening to techno Aug 19 09:19:52 lol Aug 19 09:19:59 your inSANE! Aug 19 09:20:03 in the membrane Aug 19 09:20:07 :P Aug 19 09:20:07 lol Aug 19 09:20:13 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3373562991_519f86289f_b.jpg graphics powerrrr Aug 19 09:20:14 techno makes it all right i guess :P Aug 19 09:20:21 BTW FUUUUCK Filecoaster, this sh*ts got penguins! Aug 19 09:20:28 HAHA Aug 19 09:20:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZVRcM13u4 Aug 19 09:20:39 HAHAHHAHAHAHA Aug 19 09:20:45 if anyone wants to make it right, listen to that :) Aug 19 09:20:55 deadmau5 is awesome Aug 19 09:21:18 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/420848340/in/set-72157594574977123/ <- my test rig Aug 19 09:21:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2bjyY-bCwU Aug 19 09:21:26 that is good for this time of day Aug 19 09:22:01 Egay Aug 19 09:22:03 oops Aug 19 09:22:04 lol @ nurves pic Aug 19 09:22:06 i mean Eguy :P Aug 19 09:22:12 i had that as my wallpaper for a while Aug 19 09:22:14 lol Aug 19 09:22:17 (yes, that's an openmoko phone in the foreground - I have two working and three dead ones of those) Aug 19 09:22:24 haven't heard that one before.... Aug 19 09:22:50 can't say that anymore :P Aug 19 09:23:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C6HYGWGobw Aug 19 09:23:07 theres the good stuff :) Aug 19 09:23:11 yes Aug 19 09:23:13 keep sending links Aug 19 09:23:21 before the previous one had enough time to play Aug 19 09:23:27 * oil stops clicking youtube links Aug 19 09:23:39 loll, you know you'll keep clicking em. Aug 19 09:23:42 no Aug 19 09:23:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iotutVVRNM Aug 19 09:23:47 cause i know the next one is gonna be a rickroll Aug 19 09:23:49 curiousity introduced the cat to raves.... Aug 19 09:23:54 In preware is available patches functional yet? Aug 19 09:24:00 I have the preware patch service Aug 19 09:24:01 nope Aug 19 09:24:05 nah no rickroll Aug 19 09:24:06 yes, you must have done something wrong Aug 19 09:24:08 k Aug 19 09:24:08 just awesome trance Aug 19 09:24:23 * rwhitby really bbl Aug 19 09:24:29 lol Aug 19 09:24:36 Eguy: i actually make my own trance/techno. Aug 19 09:24:37 are you sure rwhitby? Aug 19 09:24:41 FL Studio 8 :) Aug 19 09:24:43 no! post more equipment pics! Aug 19 09:25:04 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/hardware Aug 19 09:25:12 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3464898064_f5d55753f5_b.jpg Aug 19 09:25:31 oil: this will spice ya up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuq0DvN8PYw Aug 19 09:25:31 I don't know who to believe! Oil, patch utility, working or no Aug 19 09:25:36 all the tech action you need oil. Aug 19 09:25:43 oil: that'll keep you going till I get back Aug 19 09:25:43 * oil doesnt click Aug 19 09:25:51 * oil is actually going to hit the sack Aug 19 09:25:55 oil Aug 19 09:25:58 Gross Aug 19 09:25:58 hahahhaha Aug 19 09:25:59 please click it.. lol Aug 19 09:26:06 k4p741n: i was just messing around Aug 19 09:26:09 oil: you will laugh, i promise. Aug 19 09:26:12 nope Aug 19 09:26:14 no clicking Aug 19 09:26:17 k4p741n: I'm working on it. Aug 19 09:26:18 Gotcha, thanks Aug 19 09:26:52 I figured because that stuff is all root commands, but I saw the preware patch utility in libs Aug 19 09:26:59 Eguy: i went from trance to that... im screwed. Aug 19 09:27:02 that does nothing? Aug 19 09:27:06 Thought I might be able to at least browse the patches Aug 19 09:27:28 eguy: lol @ hddvdplayer Aug 19 09:27:36 k4p741n: that's just gnu patch cross compiled Aug 19 09:27:43 oil: close out deal! Aug 19 09:27:46 40 bucks!!! Aug 19 09:27:47 haha Aug 19 09:27:56 5 free hddvds Aug 19 09:28:07 I now have a BD-RE burner so all is well Aug 19 09:28:10 Oh so I already have that anyways Aug 19 09:28:50 ok Aug 19 09:28:51 really Aug 19 09:28:53 goin to sleep Aug 19 09:28:55 later Aug 19 09:29:04 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/399153177_c1688ccdae_o.jpg Aug 19 09:29:27 old config Aug 19 09:30:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Dzhr76EEk Aug 19 09:30:37 I'm listening to pandora Aug 19 09:30:53 I'm gonna mosey off to dreamland myself Aug 19 09:30:59 yeah me too Aug 19 09:31:02 way too late Aug 19 09:31:25 Thanks for the help, the laughs, and the loss of dignity Aug 19 09:31:32 hahahha Aug 19 09:31:58 Peace Aug 19 09:41:48 http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/Devious-/My%20setup%20and%20random%20pics/Picture011.jpg Aug 19 11:47:33 hey guys how large can a cookie be? Aug 19 12:09:03 hi folks - anyone got a moment to explain some cdma issues to me? (I'm only familiar with gsm) Aug 19 12:09:19 what about it? Aug 19 12:09:50 looking to buy a cdma phone for testing. One available on ebay at a good price, but it says it has a bad esn Aug 19 12:10:02 that's fine for me (I won't have a phone connection) Aug 19 12:10:15 but wondering if I'll ever be able to sell it to any cdma user Aug 19 12:10:40 they say 'This phone is in brand new condition but is on the negative list and can't be activated with sprint. ' Aug 19 12:10:48 as far as i know cdma phones are hard to unlock but it may be just me who have small knowledge Aug 19 12:11:53 ok - thanks Aug 19 12:17:07 i wonder what landed it on the bad list :) Aug 19 12:17:11 maybe it' Aug 19 12:17:14 s stolen? Aug 19 12:29:52 I can use Preware to update the package service correct? Aug 19 12:38:58 they say that it is refurbished Aug 19 12:45:06 mrjcarter: not until 1.0.0, since it won't run the postinst until then Aug 19 12:45:53 mrjcarter: always follow the wiki instructions Aug 19 12:46:05 oh I see Aug 19 12:48:35 something aint right Aug 19 12:48:58 i just updated preware and package service and new icon showed up in my launcher Aug 19 12:49:07 when i tap it it says that its a dangerous bla bla bla Aug 19 12:49:14 hit ok view or no Aug 19 12:49:20 when i tap ok nothing happens Aug 19 12:49:42 and the icon wont get removed from my launcher Aug 19 12:58:39 enio: that is in preparation for the secure informed user consent service Aug 19 12:58:48 just ignore the icon for now :-) Aug 19 12:59:09 lol i removed it Aug 19 12:59:16 hehe and run the script from terminal Aug 19 12:59:17 :P Aug 19 12:59:50 shit i have like 10 cards in launcher now Aug 19 12:59:54 too many free apps Aug 19 12:59:55 :S Aug 19 13:00:18 lol Aug 19 13:00:38 anybody know what was updated in the most recent version of Preware over 0.5.1? Aug 19 13:00:39 hehe Aug 19 13:09:03 mrjcarter: not much. preparation for postinst support. Aug 19 13:09:36 I probably should have bumped it to 0.5.2 instead. Aug 19 13:12:07 jcrawford: as big as your oven Aug 19 13:12:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Recent_enhancements Aug 19 13:12:45 PuffTheMagic: FYI, preware builder repo has moved to git.webos-internals.org - I'm just about to delete the one from gitorious.org Aug 19 13:13:33 you didnt push it to the new repo though Aug 19 13:13:38 let me do that Aug 19 13:13:43 the autobuilder is taking the build instructions from git.webos-internals.org:preware/build.git Aug 19 13:13:45 which should I update first the service or Preware? Aug 19 13:14:08 PuffTheMagic, incorrect palm suggests max size of 4kb per cookie but apps can have many cookies Aug 19 13:14:16 jcrawford: :D Aug 19 13:15:02 rwhitby_: please edit gitweb.pl directly or edit the config so the push urls show Aug 19 13:15:56 Ikyo: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Updating Aug 19 13:16:30 @jcrawford Cookie size: I don't know cookie size limit on the Palm but- for comparison, CDN networks limit all headers to 4k (including user-agent, cookie, you know all headers.) Just so that you know by comparison. Aug 19 13:16:43 morning Aug 19 13:18:33 and that's added up. So all cookies, content-control, and user-agent have to fit inside that same 4k max. But as I said that's on CDN networks and probably doesn't apply to local-only app pages using cookies. Aug 19 13:22:28 FreeTim3, it actually does apply. Palm suggests a 4kb limit per cookie Aug 19 13:29:32 rwhitby_: something is wrong wiht the new services/ipkgservice repo Aug 19 13:29:39 it does not say .git Aug 19 13:29:51 so i just pushed to Aug 19 13:31:35 bit its not showing up on gitweb Aug 19 13:35:10 PuffTheMagic: which push url did you use? Aug 19 13:35:26 git.webosinternals.org:services/ipkgservice.git Aug 19 13:35:31 and it pushed fine Aug 19 13:35:41 cause git sorta uses both .git and without Aug 19 13:35:45 jcrawford: yes but 4kb per cookie is much different than 4kb combined total of all headers Aug 19 13:35:49 but gitweb is showing a dir with out .git Aug 19 13:35:54 and my push didnt show up Aug 19 13:36:01 ah FreeTim3 i see what you mean :D Aug 19 13:36:19 PuffTheMagic: try now Aug 19 13:36:32 all i did was refresh my browser Aug 19 13:36:34 and it shows now Aug 19 13:36:50 rwhitby_: no make the pull urls show for people :D Aug 19 13:36:51 please Aug 19 13:37:11 PuffTheMagic: they are there now Aug 19 13:37:20 ahh :D Aug 19 13:37:24 but the push url has an error Aug 19 13:37:43 rwhitby_: yeah the version of gitweb you are running dont handle push urls Aug 19 13:37:51 well... Aug 19 13:37:58 some of the customized ones split them up Aug 19 13:38:08 and actually say pull and push Aug 19 13:38:11 instead of just URL Aug 19 13:40:00 rwhitby_: if you start mking dirs for the other projects i will move them over Aug 19 13:40:11 all the ones on the new server are seeded now Aug 19 13:40:30 just gotta get rid of the extra / after the : in the push url first Aug 19 13:40:45 Hi, I have a quick question. I have SSH installed and dyndns on my EVDO connection, but I was wondering if it's possible to add dyndns to my wi-fi connection Aug 19 13:41:15 keith: Definitaly yes. tha'ts how I do mine Aug 19 13:41:44 Keith: you could do it, but it doesn't mean that it will allow for SSH because of port forwarding Aug 19 13:42:25 Where do you place the script then? Normally, you place it in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d. Aug 19 13:42:32 I don't see an /etc/eth0 Aug 19 13:42:58 I'm assuming that SSH would work fine as long as I'm on the same network though, right? Aug 19 13:43:04 It does work on SSH on my router, but my notebook also is on the same subnet Aug 19 13:43:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_ez-ipupdate Aug 19 13:43:44 yes, that's the tutorial I followed, but doesn't that do dyndns on your EVDO ip address? Aug 19 13:44:38 Yes but you can edit dropbear on step4 to make ssh non blocked on wifi Aug 19 13:46:13 during the setup of optware, I did enable SSH via both connections Aug 19 13:46:20 That is look at the dropbear script; it blocks certain network interfaces, in /etc/event.d/optware-dropbear Aug 19 13:47:43 and then there are putty settings for SSH2 via dropbear here - http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Putty Aug 19 13:48:46 Keith: I can compare my dropbear script with yours if you want; private msg me for this (brb- 10mins) Aug 19 13:49:25 In my optware-dropbear config, it has two firewall settings to allow wifi on port 222, it says Aug 19 13:53:38 keith_: see private msg Aug 19 13:54:02 PuffTheMagic: do we want to drop any as we go across? Aug 19 13:55:38 well they are just dirs Aug 19 13:55:40 not really repos? Aug 19 13:55:47 remove the ? with . Aug 19 13:55:57 if we delete it and someone does not realize and they push Aug 19 13:56:04 its just gonna make a new dir with out error Aug 19 13:56:28 you should prevent pushing to the old repo Aug 19 13:56:33 and lets get everything moved Aug 19 13:58:24 when i update preware and the pakage manger sys is there any post install stuff i need to do? Aug 19 14:04:29 epyon22: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Updating Aug 19 14:04:40 ^^ infobot that :D Aug 19 14:04:52 rwhitby_: and does infobot have todolists? Aug 19 14:04:55 thank you sir Aug 19 14:05:13 PuffTheMagic: dunno. I think it has botmail Aug 19 14:06:41 PuffTheMagic: I've got an idea. we put a file in place of the moved directory in the old repo. The file says where it is moved to. Aug 19 14:06:58 sure Aug 19 14:07:04 i can do that Aug 19 14:07:17 and then when we've moved them all, we remove push access Aug 19 14:07:49 need to be careful with repos that scripts already access, and that are mentioned on wiki pages. Aug 19 14:08:04 that'll mainly be the bootstrap and modifications repos - I'll do those. Aug 19 14:08:36 i am putting in the new file what peoples .git/config should look like Aug 19 14:08:42 ok Aug 19 14:12:22 PuffTheMagic: the preware build repo (not the preware app) is moved, and the old repo has been deleted from gitorious Aug 19 14:12:58 and with that, I'm off to bed. night all. Aug 19 14:13:02 night Aug 19 14:13:07 see yah in a few hours Aug 19 14:15:06 PuffTheMagic: the repos currently listed at http://git.webos-internals.org/ are the ones that have been created. Aug 19 14:15:16 k Aug 19 14:16:59 PuffTheMagic: for some reason, the icon for ipkgservice app part is showing, even though visible is set to false. dunno why, but I marked it "Ignore This Icon" so people don't get confused. Aug 19 14:17:23 why are you making new releases of that Aug 19 14:17:32 we are not ready Aug 19 14:17:42 i am likely gonna break something Aug 19 14:17:55 trying to get the the confirmation stuf working Aug 19 14:18:00 befor e it actually does work Aug 19 14:18:14 people arent gaining anything by using it in this state Aug 19 14:18:19 push all you want, it won't be releasing anything newer than the safe dummy app that oils pushed before he went to bed Aug 19 14:18:38 Does anyone know how to make a script run when the wi-fi adapter comes online (gets an IP address)? I know you can do it for evdo by putting it in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d, bu there is no /etc/eth0 directory Aug 19 14:18:47 it doesn't rebuild from the tip of HEAD every time Aug 19 14:19:05 once a particular version is build, it stays built at that commit Aug 19 14:19:15 keith_: there are apps to do that Aug 19 14:19:17 alrady Aug 19 14:19:30 rwhitby_: or you could go to one of the 1000 whats my ip websites Aug 19 14:19:34 and jsut add it to the launcher Aug 19 14:19:38 for quick access Aug 19 14:19:42 or you could run ifconfig Aug 19 14:19:44 in the terminal Aug 19 14:19:48 if u have that running Aug 19 14:20:14 i've modified the ez-ipupdate config file to update my dyndns address to my eth0 address, but I'm trying to find a way to run it automatically Aug 19 14:20:34 in the same way that the evdo one does Aug 19 14:23:30 if there's an app that can do that, where would I look? Aug 19 14:23:54 With the app, you would need to run it everytime you connect to a Wifi network Aug 19 14:25:06 ok, so i'm guessing there's no script folder for eth0 that works in the same way as /etc/ppp/ip-up.d? Aug 19 14:25:53 check in /etc/network Aug 19 14:27:19 Ikyo: thanks! so, adding something to if-up.d would run every time the network comes up? Aug 19 14:48:09 morning all Aug 19 14:51:17 keith_: did you experience success we hope getting that to work on eth0 Aug 19 14:51:40 90% there Aug 19 15:01:15 hmm, I hope the CIA bot hasn't been too much of a trouble, I have GOT to write better git hook scripts sometime 8) Aug 19 15:17:47 BearPerson: no, I think it was just the one incident where PuffTheMagic did some serious rebuilding of a kernel tree in git that freaked it out :) Aug 19 15:19:04 well, as far as I can tell the basic thing was that someone merged upstream kernel into the codebase, so git considered every commit that happened in upstream kernel to be "new", gladly announcing them one-by-one Aug 19 15:19:45 BearPerson: yeah that sounds like what happened Aug 19 15:20:07 it's always fun when the CIA.vc server gets mailbombed by git ;) Aug 19 15:28:26 BearPerson: i warned rwhitby about putting the cia hook on the git repo Aug 19 15:28:39 i specifically told him not to Aug 19 15:28:57 BearPerson: but besides that, you script seems to have 1 bug in it Aug 19 15:29:02 if you are the one writing it Aug 19 15:29:34 well, it should generally be quite usable, the problem is that the existing hook scripts blatantly ignore the issue Aug 19 15:29:45 I guess I'll have to come up with a better one sometime Aug 19 15:29:57 BearPerson: what issue Aug 19 15:30:03 using it on the kernel repo? Aug 19 15:30:09 there is no issue with the script Aug 19 15:30:13 it does exactly what it should Aug 19 15:30:21 the issue that you do not want to individually report each pushed commit on every push Aug 19 15:30:31 yes you do Aug 19 15:30:46 thats how it is supposed to work Aug 19 15:30:51 normally, yes, but I think you can wing it on pushes of merges Aug 19 15:31:16 the problem is that both existing scripts send out ONE commit, and both recommend they be installed inside a for loop over each pushed commit Aug 19 15:31:47 merges should show all commits too Aug 19 15:31:54 it should at least be configurable to walk reflog or something, instead Aug 19 15:31:57 its just not a good idea to run cia on kernel repos Aug 19 15:32:11 "merge of 10753 commits into master" Aug 19 15:32:28 this issue is not exclusive to kernel development, it's just where the issue most commonly surfaces Aug 19 15:32:33 not all merges are from master Aug 19 15:32:48 neither do all merges produce exactly 10753 commits. Aug 19 15:32:49 i mean not all merges come from linus's master Aug 19 15:33:07 but if i merge a local branch i want those commits Aug 19 15:33:11 typically Aug 19 15:33:16 typically, yes Aug 19 15:33:37 which is why there is nothing wrong with the script Aug 19 15:33:38 if you were on vacation for 3 weeks and had 200 commits to push out, you probably want those on your mailing list but not on your IRC channel, though. Aug 19 15:33:41 just its usage Aug 19 15:33:53 indeed, it needs a wrapper script to formalize those things Aug 19 15:34:06 no... just dont run cia on the kernel repo Aug 19 15:34:11 everything else will be fine Aug 19 15:34:31 since it's hard to get people to deploy two scripts, you end up folding the wrapper script into the main script, thus effectively "fixing" the original script ;) Aug 19 15:34:47 everything else will be fine, most of the time. Aug 19 15:34:57 you've lost me now... i've always used the default cia git hook scripts n all my repos Aug 19 15:35:00 then they'll start merging big on the other side of the fence, too. Aug 19 15:35:02 and i've never had any issue Aug 19 15:35:09 except with my kernel repos Aug 19 15:35:12 there is no way around it Aug 19 15:35:12 I have. I run CIA.vc Aug 19 15:35:50 mailstorms from the perl git hook have been the number one cause of the website choking, lately. Aug 19 15:36:13 yeah... my zen-sources kernel has brought you down a number of times Aug 19 15:36:22 just stopped using cia cause of it Aug 19 15:36:25 we've installed a queue system so it doesn't hit too badly, but chomping through all the commits still makes things laggy for a while Aug 19 15:36:59 I _can_ fix this on the server end if I really want to, but I feel it'd be more properly fixed in the hook scripts. Aug 19 15:37:46 well rwhitby can update the scirpts that wouldnt be an issue, but i still feel like kernel repo is gonna generate too much spam anyway Aug 19 15:37:51 When servers choke up, there is an issue, no question there. The question is how and where to use it. Aug 19 15:38:00 *nod* Aug 19 15:38:28 I'm not too concerned over your individual repository, it was just the latest incident that got me thinking about this stuff again. Aug 19 15:38:43 "don't use on kernel" just doesn't cut it for all our users. Aug 19 15:39:09 and most of the issue like this have been my fault i bet Aug 19 15:39:24 possible, I'm not sure 8) Aug 19 15:39:58 well who else tracks kernels with cia besides zen-sources and webos-internals... Aug 19 15:40:04 or did track kernels Aug 19 15:40:35 I think we had an issue with a bzr project doing the same sort of thing once, too - set up a hook and THEN imported their history Aug 19 15:40:53 lol, every commit since 2.6.12 Aug 19 15:41:35 samba has been on the do-not-accept blacklist, too, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't about tracking kernel sources ;) Aug 19 15:42:53 I think with the new queue system we do have a throughput of, say, 100 commits per second, but without additional measures on the IRC end we still spam the heck out of everyone Aug 19 15:43:37 of course, one could argue that that's the point, since that's what the system was designed to do. Aug 19 15:44:31 well there is a fine line between usefull and annoying ;) Aug 19 16:07:55 destinal: ping Aug 19 16:35:46 Hello, so I was trying to get a script to run when dhcp completed, and after restarting the phone, it just sits at the "palm" logo. The logo does not flash like normal, just sits there. Is there anything to try before the webos doctor? Aug 19 16:36:17 fyi, the pre was not in developer mode when i restarted Aug 19 16:41:07 I guess that's a no? Aug 19 16:42:30 Does anyone know if anything can be done during bootie to help Keith ? Aug 19 16:43:35 Keith -- can you ssh into the phone at that point Aug 19 16:43:46 the palm logo flashing is a farily high level thing Aug 19 16:43:55 and you can generally get into the phone long before it comes up Aug 19 16:44:27 novaterm almost ALWAYS works in that situation. Aug 19 16:44:39 keith_? Aug 19 16:45:02 i just reset it again so i'm giving it a second, and i'll try ssh Aug 19 16:45:29 ok, ssh is a no-go Aug 19 16:45:47 and i'm using vista x64, so i have to use novacom, which returns "unable to find device" Aug 19 16:45:58 which might be because it's not in developer mode Aug 19 16:46:45 darn Aug 19 16:47:14 if i put it in usb bootloader mode, novacom can connect, but it doesn't say anything Aug 19 16:47:43 ditto media sync mode? Aug 19 16:47:50 wait Aug 19 16:47:52 you don't get to that Aug 19 16:47:54 damn Aug 19 16:47:56 no Aug 19 16:48:00 PuffTheMagic: pong Aug 19 16:48:04 keith_ I hope you have a backup. Aug 19 16:48:09 haha Aug 19 16:48:16 luckly most stuff is in the cloud Aug 19 16:48:23 cause the doctor doesn't leave much Aug 19 16:48:24 and i've only had the phone for a week Aug 19 16:48:54 so, i guess that's the only option? Aug 19 16:49:04 unless PuffTheMagic has an idea Aug 19 16:49:05 destinal: i forgot what i wanted Aug 19 16:49:23 keith_ tell PuffTheMagic your story Aug 19 16:49:31 keith_: it comes up with a solid palm logo even if you power-cycle it? Aug 19 16:49:54 yes, just the logo Aug 19 16:50:00 i've even pulled the battery Aug 19 16:50:08 keith_: hold down the power button and toggle the switch next to it 3 times Aug 19 16:50:09 and tried doing it with or without the usb cable Aug 19 16:50:11 it should reboot Aug 19 16:50:26 thenlet go of the button Aug 19 16:51:23 that used to work, but isn't working now Aug 19 16:51:43 wait, i think it did it now Aug 19 16:51:48 to take out the battery keeping the usb connected to your pc Aug 19 16:52:00 and hold down the vol up button when u put i back in Aug 19 16:52:04 and go into recovery mode Aug 19 16:52:40 you can then add init=/bin/sh Aug 19 16:52:42 to the bootargs Aug 19 16:52:49 and you migth be able to do some fixing Aug 19 16:52:54 if you messed up an event.d file Aug 19 16:52:59 idk what you really did Aug 19 16:53:09 ok, in recover mode now Aug 19 16:53:09 so idk how best to help you Aug 19 16:53:21 keith_: so you are saying it wont boot into luna? Aug 19 16:53:48 no, it won't boot Aug 19 16:54:07 when i put it in recover mode, novacom will connect, but it won't return anything Aug 19 16:54:08 keith_: and you have no novaterm? Aug 19 16:54:15 keith_: press enter Aug 19 16:54:18 windows64 Aug 19 16:54:29 i get "]" Aug 19 16:54:31 yeah Aug 19 16:54:31 we haven't gotten novaterm recompiled for win64 yet Aug 19 16:54:32 when i press enter Aug 19 16:54:38 no one has volunteered Aug 19 16:54:38 keith_: type help Aug 19 16:54:41 or getenv Aug 19 16:54:45 you should see the bootargs Aug 19 16:54:47 i get help Aug 19 16:54:48 you can then change them Aug 19 16:55:06 setenv bootargs ....... Aug 19 16:55:18 add init=/bin/sh to the args Aug 19 16:55:29 you need to put them in "" though Aug 19 16:55:46 getenv afterwards to make sure it worked Aug 19 16:55:51 then when you are ready to boot Aug 19 16:55:53 type fsboot Aug 19 16:56:03 so just type: [setenv bootargs "init=bin/sh"] without brackets? Aug 19 16:56:07 no Aug 19 16:56:27 you need to include the existing args Aug 19 16:56:31 and its init=/bin/sh Aug 19 16:57:16 destinal: i remembered what i was gonna ask Aug 19 16:58:22 getenv gives me this (multiple lines coming): T ? = 0 Aug 19 16:58:22 T chargebypass = 0 Aug 19 16:58:34 T framebuffer = 0x8f600000 Aug 19 16:58:37 dont spam Aug 19 16:58:41 sorry Aug 19 16:58:45 i was just going to send 3 Aug 19 16:58:46 as long as bootargs is what oyu typed in Aug 19 16:58:48 it should be good Aug 19 16:59:02 ok, so i include the "T" at the beginnging? Aug 19 16:59:08 no Aug 19 16:59:10 i just want to make sure that novacom isn't screwing things up Aug 19 16:59:29 just 'setenv bootargs "............." Aug 19 16:59:40 like you need the root=.... part Aug 19 16:59:46 and i htink there was another default option Aug 19 17:00:13 oh, sorry, now i see it Aug 19 17:00:14 my bad Aug 19 17:00:21 i misunderstood you Aug 19 17:00:55 so i do the init=/bin/sh thing all the time on linux when i need to fix stuff Aug 19 17:01:01 i've never done it on the pre though yet Aug 19 17:01:12 ok, bootargs updated Aug 19 17:01:16 it "should" bring you to a sh prompt Aug 19 17:01:24 where you can fix what ever you messed up Aug 19 17:01:33 unless you trashed the kernel some how Aug 19 17:02:51 I get "novacomd socket was closed prematurely Aug 19 17:03:00 and then "novacom: unexpected EOF from server" Aug 19 17:03:08 after fsboot Aug 19 17:03:10 that will happen after you do fsboot Aug 19 17:03:20 your pre "should" be booting now though Aug 19 17:03:40 oh shit Aug 19 17:03:44 just remembered something Aug 19 17:03:47 i goes to the palm logo, but novacom now says "unable to find device" Aug 19 17:03:51 that doesn't sound good Aug 19 17:04:10 well you wont be able to use novacom till g_composite it loaded i beleive Aug 19 17:04:32 i just remember fbcon is disabled by default Aug 19 17:04:40 oh Aug 19 17:04:43 so you wont be able to see a linux prompt if there was one Aug 19 17:04:47 so am i out of luck then? Aug 19 17:05:13 nom not necessarily Aug 19 17:05:20 go back into recovery mode Aug 19 17:05:26 and do the init=/bin/sh thing Aug 19 17:05:30 but add 2 more things Aug 19 17:05:30 fbcon=enable Aug 19 17:05:30 console=tty1 Aug 19 17:06:18 keith_: there is another thing you could try too Aug 19 17:06:21 if the kernel is messed up Aug 19 17:06:21 are those boot args or env variables? Aug 19 17:06:30 they are more bootargs Aug 19 17:06:44 do you have the webos dr image? Aug 19 17:06:52 yes Aug 19 17:07:33 extract the userland tar.gz Aug 19 17:07:38 and go into /boot Aug 19 17:07:44 and find the uImage Aug 19 17:07:46 the joplin one Aug 19 17:07:50 and then u can do this Aug 19 17:07:52 novacom boot mem:// < kernel.uimage Aug 19 17:08:05 where kernel.uimage is that joplin kernel Aug 19 17:08:11 and it will copy it to mem and boot it Aug 19 17:08:21 so if you jacked up the kernel that is something else you can try Aug 19 17:16:41 the novacom boot command runs and then sits there, so i opened up another window and did novacom -t and it took me to the bootloader Aug 19 17:16:46 i tried fsboot Aug 19 17:16:52 no luck Aug 19 17:20:11 did you try the init= with fbcon= and console= method? Aug 19 17:20:43 just remembered that and tried that a minute ago Aug 19 17:21:38 it seems i really bricked it Aug 19 17:21:46 not sure how Aug 19 17:26:31 i guess it's time to give up and just reflash it. thanks everyone for your help Aug 19 17:26:36 what's the best (highest output) power supply to use for hooking up a touchstone in the car? know I read this here before, but grepping irclogs isn't turning it up, aside from one mention of the sprint charger working Aug 19 17:31:26 where is install instructions for preware or where can i download preware Aug 19 17:33:36 crazyman: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Aug 19 17:33:44 Hello all, I don't see a thread on PreCentral's forums, and I don't believe the Aug 19 17:34:00 Wiki to be a place to ask for things, so is this a legitimate place to ask for features for PreWare? Aug 19 17:34:47 anyone see this: http://pdnblog.palm.com/2009/08/developers-bring-us-your-apps-and-sell-them-too/ Aug 19 17:35:28 hey rick, you around? Aug 19 17:36:47 flare576: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Preware Aug 19 17:36:49 at the bottom Aug 19 17:37:24 oil: Awesome :) I've not got a lot of experience on wikis, I'll look for "talk areas more often :) Thanks! Aug 19 17:38:04 flare576: the 'discussion' tap at the top of the preware application page gets you to it Aug 19 17:38:09 tab* Aug 19 17:39:06 is there a reason why the plugin and apps are in seperate git? (since it's not uncommon for mods in one to effect the other, as such both need updates at same time) Aug 19 17:41:14 Keith_: Most people are using the Sprint charger Aug 19 17:43:25 how do i call a function from another js file? i'm trying Function.subFunction(args) and it's not working... Aug 19 17:44:28 oil: I see that all of my suggestions have already been posted; I'm assuming that there's no mechanism for "voting" on improvements to allow the developers to know what features users hold as higher importance? I don't see a vote/star/plus/etc. system, so I thought I'd ask Aug 19 17:44:31 What version of ssh does the pre use? Aug 19 17:47:18 nvm it is 2 Aug 19 17:53:13 hatt: still having issues? Aug 19 17:55:17 yes i am Aug 19 17:56:16 it was working before i set it up as a function with prototyping Aug 19 17:57:11 "Ignore This Icon" - how discreet oil :P Aug 19 17:58:13 * oil had absolutely nothing to do with that, and wont be blamed for it Aug 19 17:58:46 Class you mean Aug 19 17:58:49 i think Aug 19 17:59:00 well, yeah, technically it's a class Aug 19 17:59:07 should i declare it that way? Aug 19 17:59:09 did you instantiate the class? Aug 19 17:59:19 var someting = new ClassName(); Aug 19 17:59:31 then do someting.functionname(); Aug 19 17:59:39 did you include the new js file in sources.json? Aug 19 17:59:40 this.function = new function();? Aug 19 17:59:46 it's in the sources file Aug 19 18:00:00 okay, no, i didn't instantiate it Aug 19 18:00:03 can you paste bin the source files? Aug 19 18:03:41 that worked after i instantiated it Aug 19 18:03:46 thanks Aug 19 18:04:05 Does deleting the Ignore icon break something? I ignored it by removing it... Aug 19 18:04:42 does preware still work? Aug 19 18:05:25 yup yup Aug 19 18:05:31 after a reboot? Aug 19 18:05:50 I haven't rebooted since using CLI to upgrade from .5.1 to .6.0 Aug 19 18:06:06 (Application:Terminal for the win) Aug 19 18:08:08 does the terminal seem to work pretty well? Aug 19 18:08:13 why it should not work after reboot? Aug 19 18:08:20 I will if you want me to reboot to test oil? Aug 19 18:08:24 anybody know the quilt command to remove a patch permanently? Aug 19 18:08:30 do I need to pop it first? Aug 19 18:08:30 Ikyo: I love the on-device terminal Aug 19 18:08:33 idk if removing it deletes the service Aug 19 18:08:41 that preware uses Aug 19 18:08:43 oil, I'll reboot and find out :) Aug 19 18:10:22 Ikyo: I have a strange situation at my work, though; I can't SSH to the device and access the internet from it at the same time 'cause of the firewall, so the on-device terminal is the only way I can do CLI stuff Aug 19 18:10:50 cause hacking your pre is so work related :) Aug 19 18:11:05 if it helps maintain my sanity.... Aug 19 18:11:13 HAH Aug 19 18:11:29 no Pre and no CLI make Flare something something... Aug 19 18:11:52 Actually hacking my Pre is work related :) Aug 19 18:12:06 dream statement of the decade right there. Aug 19 18:12:25 I work for Sprint Aug 19 18:12:41 /nick NotFlare576 Aug 19 18:13:17 Everyone in my group comes to me for help on doing stuff.....so I have to have as many answers as possible Aug 19 18:13:34 you're the resident pre masta? Aug 19 18:14:08 oil, after deleting "Ignore this Icon" and rebooting, I still have package love; no change to performance Aug 19 18:14:11 something like that Aug 19 18:14:29 huh Aug 19 18:14:32 to the best of my knowledge, I never ran it in the first place. Aug 19 18:14:42 Preware still works properly. Aug 19 18:15:05 ah well Aug 19 18:15:09 way to ignore it Aug 19 18:15:22 I ignored the hell out of it Aug 19 18:15:22 0.6.0 should have never been released with half-finished code in it in the first place Aug 19 18:15:51 makes me happy: 0.5.1 never ran for me :) Aug 19 18:16:12 sometimes it sucks working on a mac Aug 19 18:16:20 s/sometimes/always/ Aug 19 18:16:25 blau, still around? Aug 19 18:16:57 funny flare....I still don't want to go back to Winblows Aug 19 18:18:40 Windows is the finest operating system ever created... now if you'll excuse me, I have 500 patches waiting for me to download, and they all require a system reboot with an occasional blue screen to remind me who's boss. Aug 19 18:18:54 lol Aug 19 18:20:47 http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff116/azerothwarrior/Funny/WeSuckMore.jpg Aug 19 18:21:18 Poor Tux, I wonder who's making him drink poison? Aug 19 18:22:06 With Palm soliciting apps, I hope they get one that fixes their damn exchange incompatibility Aug 19 18:22:33 incompatibility? ...works for me? Aug 19 18:22:55 It works except for syncing subfolders. You have to do it manually. Aug 19 18:23:03 I want to be lazy and have it do it for me :) Aug 19 18:23:15 Ohhhh, ok, I'm turbo lazy and don't even use subfolders. Aug 19 18:23:25 Inbox: 1,150 items Aug 19 18:23:40 I use rules to move messages around. I didn't realize how spoiled I was on my other phone. Aug 19 18:23:42 I'm the reason the Pre doesn't search email :) Aug 19 18:25:12 now if I could get my Pre to dial into my work VPN....I would be golden Aug 19 18:25:40 [; Aug 19 18:25:47 i just want palm Aug 19 18:25:51 to fix the aac+ issue Aug 19 18:27:09 wonder how many people have tried the new pager nagger script Aug 19 18:27:31 I love freenode, just got a palm, just found this site. :) Aug 19 18:27:37 er... pre I should say Aug 19 18:27:49 lol Aug 19 18:27:58 * oil was born with 2 palms Aug 19 18:28:06 :) Aug 19 18:28:32 anyone got the usbnet working on osx? Aug 19 18:29:04 I tried installing the drivers and it didn't do anything for me Aug 19 18:29:13 for me too Aug 19 18:29:22 so i have to use wifi Aug 19 18:29:27 but i would prefer usbnet tho Aug 19 18:29:40 wondering what they changed to make it not work in 10.5 Aug 19 18:29:58 Ikyo: I was actually just now sitting down to try to get vpn working to work Aug 19 18:30:03 oh i didnt check it on 10.6 Aug 19 18:30:07 maybe 10.6 works Aug 19 18:30:08 hmm Aug 19 18:30:12 I've been digging in PalmAccountDatabase.db3 and found all the data I need for the project I'm working on ... can you get to those tables from mojo? or do you need linux? Aug 19 18:31:19 I don't have 10.6 running any more at the moment Aug 19 18:31:41 i got the a421 build Aug 19 18:31:42 what project r u working on Aug 19 18:32:41 blau, talking to me? Aug 19 18:33:07 i would guess not :) Aug 19 18:33:39 oh that worked Aug 19 18:33:43 i got distracted sorry Aug 19 18:33:58 well, i'm trying to store an array in a cookie Aug 19 18:34:05 and it's frustrating the crap out of me Aug 19 18:38:08 "You ever have one of those days when everything just... seems to work. Like, when you're driving and all the red lights ahead of you are turing green. Going.... bing, bing bing. Like you're not even trying...just, going with the flow." Aug 19 18:38:27 never Aug 19 18:38:31 Enio: Have you gotten WebOSQuickInstall working? Aug 19 18:38:46 oil: me either :/ Aug 19 18:39:33 maybe I should built a mirt, then all the lights will turn green for me Aug 19 18:39:40 build* Aug 19 18:40:12 blau-mikeDg: I'm trying to come up with a way to get my Pre to wake me up if I get an SMS from certain recipients and I don't respond in x minutes Aug 19 18:40:13 when i do a get and put for a cookie, what is returned? Aug 19 18:40:15 it would work. Aug 19 18:40:38 jettero: let me know if you get that work ;) Aug 19 18:40:43 (the palm is a failure at sysadmin paging) Aug 19 18:40:49 ya Aug 19 18:40:52 well Aug 19 18:40:58 I'll get it to work... but will it require linux to install/use? that I don't know yet Aug 19 18:41:04 jettero: thats what you get for sleeping Aug 19 18:41:04 nagios pages from work usually come in floods when theres epic failures anyways Aug 19 18:41:31 we don't use nagios... we have a home brew thingy that works reliably and has worked for over 10 years Aug 19 18:41:44 it's about 4 pages per hour during an outage Aug 19 18:41:49 not enough to wake me up... Aug 19 18:42:00 * jettero mocks bonk bonk .... bonk bonk .... Aug 19 18:42:01 * jettero snores Aug 19 18:42:14 make the notification something more annoying Aug 19 18:42:15 jettero, that's kinda what i'm working on as well Aug 19 18:42:20 :) Aug 19 18:42:25 yeah, exactly what oil is talking about Aug 19 18:42:26 well, I found the data I need in the db3.... Aug 19 18:42:32 jettero: You could just modify the pager nagger script already done Aug 19 18:42:32 and I'm sure I can play a sound... Aug 19 18:42:48 what is the pager nagger script? Aug 19 18:43:01 Ikyo: i dont use it Aug 19 18:43:02 I've been working on this project for like 1 hour and didn't evne try hello world yet Aug 19 18:43:52 Has anyone here tried to get vpnc working on the pre? Aug 19 18:43:57 oh, that would do it for me... Aug 19 18:44:02 I can just use the pager nagger. :) Aug 19 18:44:16 "someone who annoys you"... Aug 19 18:44:26 every time i hear nagger i think of that Aug 19 18:44:40 idk why Aug 19 18:44:56 oil, have you played with cookies much? Aug 19 18:45:12 enough to know they suck and go back to sqllite Aug 19 18:45:19 ahhh fock Aug 19 18:45:30 lol Aug 19 18:45:48 the way i think of this is simple enough, yet the way to do it is not simple at all Aug 19 18:46:10 i just friggin want an array of objects that i can store Aug 19 18:46:31 that sounds too complicated for cookies Aug 19 18:46:56 yeah, cuz when i get info back from the get method, i get an array already Aug 19 18:47:18 then i try to put it in an array, so i can push items to it... then it's an array of an array of objects Aug 19 18:47:20 ARGH! Aug 19 18:48:57 okay, so back to my original method of a friggin db table Aug 19 18:49:37 afternoon Aug 19 18:50:05 hello Aug 19 18:50:22 i am trying to do the pager nag patch but i dont know how to copy the script to /opt/scripts/pager Aug 19 18:50:42 JaSonx: wget Aug 19 18:50:52 put it on your webserver and wget the script Aug 19 18:50:53 thats not on the wiki Aug 19 18:50:58 k Aug 19 18:51:00 :) Aug 19 18:51:11 think outside the box, make decisions in a vacuum Aug 19 18:51:38 dont have a webserver Aug 19 18:51:47 i do Aug 19 18:51:52 i can give you a link in just a sec Aug 19 18:51:54 Do you know how to use VI? Aug 19 18:52:02 yeh ikyo Aug 19 18:52:12 im at the /opt/scripts/pager Aug 19 18:52:14 dir Aug 19 18:53:43 oil: there is no current way to make a mojo app that runs 100% in the back groung correct? You would have to make a service. Aug 19 18:54:38 wget http://hattczech.homeip.net/webos/scripts/pager.sh Aug 19 18:54:43 should work Aug 19 18:54:50 :) Aug 19 18:55:33 who wrote that script? Aug 19 18:56:01 Jackieripper did the first version then I added the LED and vibrate to it Aug 19 18:56:27 I'm disappointed that you have to close the chat card to decrease the unreadCount Aug 19 18:56:34 anybody know the quilt command to remove a patch permanently? is it "quilt revert patchname" ? Aug 19 18:56:41 I think I found a way to detect new unread sms that might not require that Aug 19 18:56:44 (testing required) Aug 19 18:57:15 how are you calling it? Aug 19 18:57:24 i got the script thanks hattCzech Aug 19 18:57:30 no problem Aug 19 18:57:34 Ikyo: it's sqlite ... select messageType, messageText, flags, address from com_palm_pim_FolderEntry join com_palm_pim_Recipient on com_palm_pim_FolderEntry.id = com_palm_pim_Recipient.com_palm_pim_FolderEntry_id where messageType="SMS" and flags=4 Aug 19 18:57:38 but it doesn't use the chat app afaik Aug 19 18:57:57 it should get updated as messages arrive, not totally sure though, could be wrong Aug 19 18:57:58 by running crond it should work right? Aug 19 18:58:00 what's the easiest way to play a sound through an app? Aug 19 18:58:24 testing presently Aug 19 18:58:34 Jettero you can just pass that directly into SQLite and get an output without having to run a script Aug 19 18:58:48 yes, I'm aware of that Aug 19 18:58:53 I don't understand why you're saying it to be honest Aug 19 18:59:46 To have the chat card open when you get a text message to see if it will output something or not compared to ours. Aug 19 19:00:03 yeah, that's what I'm doing... Aug 19 19:00:20 I'm spending too much time chatting and not doing though. :) Aug 19 19:03:56 yeah, works Aug 19 19:04:19 oh, ... you do have to actually leave the conversation Aug 19 19:04:24 you don't have to close the card though... Aug 19 19:04:30 pfft, I made no progress then. :) Aug 19 19:07:31 "You ever have one of those days, where you get really frustrated with your spouse and kill them, chop up their body, then scatter the parts around a local forest............. (long pause). I have." Aug 19 19:08:06 lol, i could actually picture that commercial.. Aug 19 19:10:18 I wonder if it's possible, if matching sms is found, to start a card that plays the sound over and over, so you can simply tap it to shut it up... Aug 19 19:10:20 Ikyo: how do i enable crond... Aug 19 19:10:22 lol Aug 19 19:11:29 Yo mean just make a loop of the notification service? Aug 19 19:11:51 yeah, but not from sh, in a card, so you could abort the alrm when you touch the card (theoretically) Aug 19 19:12:06 have the nagger just check to see if the card is going, if it is, go back to sleep, otherwise start it Aug 19 19:16:19 is there a way to override the top switch? Aug 19 19:16:36 you know, that turns off the sound Aug 19 19:20:59 hrm, the current pager nagger (which I'm going to use until I do more research) doesn't seem to check if it's already running Aug 19 19:21:29 you could get some serious noise piling up if you're not nearby for a few minutes Aug 19 19:27:18 hey, has anyone here played around with the on-screen keyboard? Aug 19 19:27:36 What should I use for dns lookups? Doesn't seem like host, dig, or nslookup is installed. Aug 19 19:27:51 ping does a simple dns lookup Aug 19 19:28:06 Noone here has used the new on-screen keyboard? Aug 19 19:28:22 but it deosn't show the whole CNAME process and goes right to the ending A record (the IP address) Aug 19 19:29:14 is there a cross compiler? Aug 19 19:29:19 that's not hard to do in C ... Aug 19 19:30:34 I guess what I'm really interested in is finding out what nameserver it's trying to use, to figure out why things aren't resolving. Aug 19 19:30:40 PreMan: yes.. i have. Aug 19 19:39:30 xalbo: you can install them from optware Aug 19 19:40:00 but to figure out what it's trying to use, just cat /etc/resolv.conf Aug 19 19:40:56 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Aug 19 19:41:16 then it must be the dnsmasq Aug 19 19:41:17 (that's when it's working properly); somehow I find that dubious. Aug 19 19:41:31 it's probably correct Aug 19 19:41:54 dnsmasq would be the local dns server on the device, a lot of routers use it for instance Aug 19 19:43:09 run: ipkg files dnsmasq Aug 19 19:43:57 Jettero: there shouldn't be a reason for it running multiple times Aug 19 19:47:45 Ikyo: I agree, but nothing stops it either. You have it running */5 ... what if you're away from your phone and more than 5 minutes passes? cron will happily run your script again Aug 19 19:48:03 you come back 3 hours later and there's 27 of them running, all playing a sound every minute? Aug 19 19:48:36 The script only runs for a little over 4 minutes before it kills itself Aug 19 19:48:48 oic Aug 19 19:49:01 ok. I missed that Aug 19 19:49:08 nevermind Aug 19 19:49:16 Will this push to the scene "list": http://pastebin.com/d34f5ebbe Aug 19 19:49:35 has to be a better, more mojo-like way of getting attention. Aug 19 19:55:13 anybody please... Aug 19 19:59:00 Will this push to the scene "list": http://pastebin.com/d34f5ebbe Aug 19 20:01:57 Can someone help me Aug 19 20:02:23 minute Saiks Aug 19 20:02:40 ok what's the problem? Aug 19 20:03:48 Saiks -- what's the problem? Aug 19 20:08:13 urg, why does storing data have to be so damn difficult? Aug 19 20:09:56 @Rick_work I can't seem to push the scene to "list" Aug 19 20:11:53 Saiks this scene assistant will not push? That's theproblem? Aug 19 20:14:21 Rick_work What do i need to change Aug 19 20:16:20 I don't know. Finding the typo in that kind of code is hard, and it's messy and you're using conventions I avoid at nearly all costs. Aug 19 20:16:34 but having said that: I offer two suggestions: Aug 19 20:16:40 Rick_work: look @ LoginAssistant.prototype.handleButtonPress = function(event){ Aug 19 20:17:05 ok Aug 19 20:17:14 and.???? Aug 19 20:20:19 would that push the scene to 'list' Aug 19 20:21:03 I don't know what you mean by push the scene to list? Aug 19 20:21:12 that's my problem. I don't understand what your issue is. Aug 19 20:21:34 I did clean it up, fix 5 missing semi colons, remove two UNESSESARY semi colons and fix the indenting: Aug 19 20:21:35 http://pastebin.com/d38dfdf6 Aug 19 20:23:04 LoginAssistant.prototype.handleButtonPress = function(event){ controls the button when tap... If username and password are empty, it will alert you. Also if they are not empty then pushscene to 'list' Aug 19 20:25:21 ok. Aug 19 20:25:29 your use of the term "to" there is confusing. Aug 19 20:25:42 If those are filled in, then push the scene called list. Aug 19 20:25:44 got it. Aug 19 20:25:45 now Aug 19 20:26:01 do you knowif you are GETTING to that line? Aug 19 20:26:03 Right... sorry Aug 19 20:26:14 and do you know how to find out if you're getting to that line? Aug 19 20:27:09 Well when username and password are empty, the alert pops up and when i type in stuff nothing happens Aug 19 20:29:41 k Aug 19 20:30:07 thisStage = this.controller.getStageController(); Aug 19 20:30:26 thisStage.pushScene('list') Aug 19 20:30:46 oh Aug 19 20:30:51 and will list in fact push? Aug 19 20:31:01 if you push list FROMTHE STAGE CONTROLLER does it push? Aug 19 20:31:18 'cause that could be your problem Aug 19 20:31:23 also, try catchyour push Aug 19 20:49:44 hmm Aug 19 20:49:50 preware isnt finding my gdial pro update :/ Aug 19 20:51:39 when you look at it in installed applications Aug 19 20:51:41 what version does it show? Aug 19 20:51:55 So running the "ignore this icon" was a bad idea huh Aug 19 20:52:28 egaudet_work: talk to rwhitby xD Aug 19 20:52:29 nvm Aug 19 20:53:40 hey, my ignore this icon doesnt show up anymore! Aug 19 20:54:04 Decimation, I just noticed mine disappeared too Aug 19 20:54:38 oil: it says 0.5.2 Aug 19 20:55:24 oil: but this was just added Aug 19 20:55:26 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/gdial-pro-google-voice-app Aug 19 20:57:35 the precentral feed doesn't seem to be updating Aug 19 21:00:51 oil: is this the preware feed for precentral we're talking about? Aug 19 21:01:22 I don't know what frequency rwhitby has set that up to poll on if so Aug 19 21:03:01 yeah Aug 19 21:03:04 i dont know that either Aug 19 21:03:07 oil: i just deleted it Aug 19 21:03:10 then tried to reinstall Aug 19 21:03:11 i know "Internalz" was released yesterday Aug 19 21:03:12 and it didnt install Aug 19 21:03:17 and its not in the list Aug 19 21:03:20 so i restarted Aug 19 21:03:25 and tried to install.. and it worked fine Aug 19 21:03:40 * oil has no answer Aug 19 21:12:23 0.5.3 of gdial just appeared Aug 19 21:36:17 oil: yeah.. the feeds to update like they should Aug 19 21:36:25 So, has anyone had problems with Preware going into the update loop on startup since WebOS Quick Install 2.01 and Preware 0.6.0 ? Aug 19 21:36:53 whats with 0.6.0? Aug 19 21:37:13 oil: it's to test the update mechanism so you don't get an 'arch' feed Aug 19 21:38:00 ah Aug 19 21:38:28 gotta have a good testing base to be sure that's all rock solid before 1.0.0 Aug 19 21:38:43 (quite separately from the functionality of the app itself) Aug 19 21:39:20 if *anyone* reports a hung Preware after using WebOS Quick Install 2.01 or later to install Preware 0.6.0 or later, then I want to hear about it asap :-) Aug 19 21:40:16 so whats left to do on the preware app Aug 19 21:40:23 postinst.. service dependencies.. patches? Aug 19 21:40:25 hey how do people write those tethering apps, cause they cant just write it with javascript can they? Aug 19 21:40:50 Hyperian: custom service Aug 19 21:40:58 and a postinst to install it Aug 19 21:41:29 "ignore this icon" Aug 19 21:41:33 i just had to click it.. lol Aug 19 21:41:44 nice.. Aug 19 21:41:57 Decimation: yep, and that was a human interface field test as well. Aug 19 21:42:06 lol Aug 19 21:44:54 seriously we need feedback on how a general user will react to that screen. do they realise that "OK" on the view card will actually run the script, not just take you back to the other screen where you might get a second chance to abort it Aug 19 21:45:17 general user? Aug 19 21:45:24 not in here rwhitby hahaha Aug 19 21:45:46 you can NEVER over-estimate the ability of the average user to do somehting utterly stupid. Aug 19 21:46:07 hahahahha Aug 19 21:46:18 "If you press this button, your computer will melt. Really, we mean it. Don't press this." Aug 19 21:46:37 comment from user looking at puddled computer: "I figured it would have a confirmation screen." Aug 19 21:46:40 you can NOT win Aug 19 21:46:48 "Never ever type rm -rf / ... you have been warned" Aug 19 21:47:10 haha Aug 19 21:47:12 not with -f Aug 19 21:47:12 :P Aug 19 21:47:22 -f overrides -i Aug 19 21:47:27 note to self: wire a Taser into keyboard of all future product release to cover case of the above Aug 19 21:47:36 hahaha Aug 19 21:54:36 anyone see the themer tool demo posted on precentral? pretty cool app. Aug 19 21:55:19 Decimation: url? Aug 19 21:55:24 http://img190.imageshack.us/i/prethemer.mp4/ Aug 19 21:56:02 all he needs is to get a repo system working.. Aug 19 21:56:23 maybe someone here could help him out :D Aug 19 21:57:09 "You ever have one of those days, where you get really frustrated with your spouse and kill them, chop up their body, then scatter the parts around a local forest............. (long pause). I have." Aug 19 22:03:16 goodness gracious. Aug 19 22:03:33 You know, palm may be FORCED to open up a binary sdk long before they want to. Aug 19 22:03:36 gee Aug 19 22:03:42 Decimation needs some help Aug 19 22:03:56 let me help you with scattering those remains Aug 19 22:03:59 PreWare, PreThemer, filecoaster, what's next? Well, we KNOW what's next in one sense... Aug 19 22:04:11 X client in a browserplugin. :-) Aug 19 22:05:12 what is filecoaster? Aug 19 22:06:02 haha Aug 19 22:07:21 Rick can not wait for an unlocked gsm pre to hit the streets because then he can talk with rwhitby about cross compiling the slug's wireless hotspot code to the pre. Aug 19 22:07:40 Eguy-deffdead: lol, it wasnt THATTT messed up :P Aug 19 22:07:55 but of course, asking that now, would be _wrong_ and I wouldn't consider doing it. Aug 19 22:08:00 wireless hotspot code? Aug 19 22:08:04 shouldn't that work? Aug 19 22:08:22 my phone is already a wireless hotspot :P Aug 19 22:08:24 tmzt talking about it now would violate our agreement with Sprint. Aug 19 22:08:33 so we can't talk about that right now. Aug 19 22:08:51 what would? Aug 19 22:08:56 but once someone has an unlocked GSM pre, well we can talk about it THAT context. Aug 19 22:09:24 Yes, palm asked that we restrict discussioof tethering in this channel. And we went along'cause we're nice guys. Aug 19 22:09:26 is there an ipkg for PreThemer? or just a video? Aug 19 22:09:42 rwhitby: just a video.. early alpha Aug 19 22:09:48 you have usb host working? the current wireless driver doesn't support AP anyway Aug 19 22:10:01 Decimation: the author hangs out here though, what's his nick again? Aug 19 22:10:03 but you can install the package if you really want to, you shouldn't need to compile it again Aug 19 22:10:13 * destinal forgot. Aug 19 22:10:16 Decimation: where was the URL for the video announced? Aug 19 22:10:27 woohoo I love google voice Aug 19 22:10:41 except the stupid Pre sends all my calls to voicemail Aug 19 22:10:49 notice the middle theme in the video had an author of "webos internals" Aug 19 22:11:39 App Request: Themer App Aug 19 22:11:42 or some thread like that Aug 19 22:11:49 second page of web OS development on precentral Aug 19 22:11:52 ~rwhitby Aug 19 22:11:53 from memory, rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). Aug 19 22:11:55 * oil still wants to make "APP REQUEST: App Requesting App" thread Aug 19 22:12:10 oil: lol, do it. Aug 19 22:12:11 geez, that's out of date .... Aug 19 22:12:15 and make fun of all the app requesting threads Aug 19 22:12:16 hahaha Aug 19 22:12:26 ~destinal Aug 19 22:12:45 destinal is too awesome for teh infobot Aug 19 22:12:52 ~oil Aug 19 22:13:01 that means im too cool too? Aug 19 22:13:04 nah Aug 19 22:13:07 ;( Aug 19 22:13:44 infobot couldn't be bothered with us mere pesants Aug 19 22:13:55 ~wiki Aug 19 22:14:06 Decimation: ah, cool, it's AnOutsider. we've already had some discussions. Aug 19 22:14:19 rwhitby: ah, nice. Aug 19 22:14:22 the app looks promising Aug 19 22:14:52 I don't know whether he's using ipkgservice, or whether he's written his own service. Aug 19 22:15:54 girlfriend just called, im off to her house... byee :) Aug 19 22:18:10 Rick how did you clone yourself? I thought PreClone was still in alpha? Aug 19 22:53:21 has anyone here had problems using preware? i can never get past the "loading" spinner... Aug 19 22:53:59 tried reinstalling/restarting multiple times, still no joy Aug 19 22:56:08 sorry, the spinner says "Updating" Aug 19 22:56:53 thoughts? Aug 19 22:57:01 is it rollin on dubs spinners? Aug 19 22:57:58 not sure what you mean Aug 19 22:58:09 the spinner is spinning if that's what you're asking Aug 19 23:10:12 do any of the precentral forum admins idle here? Aug 19 23:15:02 no Aug 19 23:15:13 :( Aug 19 23:15:16 haha Aug 19 23:15:28 ? Aug 19 23:25:11 so, does anyone have a solution for PreWare not getting past "Updating"? Aug 19 23:37:10 ohhh Aug 19 23:37:26 onexistence waited a whole 11 minutes before leaving Aug 19 23:38:34 heh Aug 19 23:39:07 AnOutsider: NICE WORK ON AUTO-THEMER !! Aug 19 23:41:00 no victory dances yet, I have a feeling the app will be the easiest part haha Aug 19 23:41:23 I'm going to try to do the web bit next Aug 19 23:41:40 awwww Aug 19 23:41:45 it's just ajax. :-) Aug 19 23:41:56 the web bit? Aug 19 23:41:58 or are you talking about building a SERVER for people to SUBMIT to. Aug 19 23:42:02 ya Aug 19 23:42:14 I have a better idea. Aug 19 23:42:18 shoot Aug 19 23:42:28 let 'em just put them in the images folder of an IPK..... Aug 19 23:43:15 then, it could live on ANY of the existing feeds. Aug 19 23:43:15 and you just grab it an install it>..... :-) Aug 19 23:43:33 ipk is basically a zip right Aug 19 23:43:40 ar but yeah Aug 19 23:43:44 ive never actually deconstructed one, or manually created one Aug 19 23:43:50 I jumped in the game after the SDK leaked Aug 19 23:44:09 ahhh Aug 19 23:44:20 well, deconstructing is easy enough... Aug 19 23:44:32 open with 7zip and drill down through the data folders. Aug 19 23:44:46 CONSTRUCTING somewhat trickier.... Aug 19 23:44:57 will winrar do the trick? Aug 19 23:45:03 if not ill try it out on the mac tomorrow Aug 19 23:45:06 but simple enough since rwhitby has the process entirely automated over at PreWare. Aug 19 23:45:32 uh I don't know about winRAR but 7-zip was originally written for windows, and is FASTER than winRAR Aug 19 23:46:34 I forget why, but I know I installed it once on an older machine and it was a PITA which is why I just stuck with good ole rarlabs Aug 19 23:46:55 ah that was then. Aug 19 23:46:59 this is now Aug 19 23:47:37 indeed, but old habits right? Aug 19 23:50:32 right :) Aug 20 00:03:52 finally checked out preware Aug 20 00:03:55 *removes filecoaster* Aug 20 00:04:24 :( Aug 20 00:04:33 it's so sleeeeeek Aug 20 00:05:49 this reminds me of cydia Aug 20 00:07:01 do you guys know where the pre keeps all the synergy information? Aug 20 00:07:20 I'm going to have to get my phone swapped out, and I understand the remote restore doesn't store linked contacts Aug 20 00:07:41 but if I can just scp it all down, no problem! Aug 20 00:25:06 hmm I'd check the wiki, if not, perhaps just poke around a bit ;) Aug 20 00:30:09 alright, time to try this virtual keyboard Aug 20 00:31:30 I found something about /var/luna/data Aug 20 00:31:36 so I'm backupping up a lot more than I need Aug 20 00:31:40 but the whole tree is only 35 megs Aug 20 00:31:46 I don't need to back up slidercount, for instance Aug 20 00:31:55 okay, got it. now off to a sprint store! Aug 20 00:32:05 (cracked screen :( ) Aug 20 00:32:55 ouch Aug 20 00:33:04 im starting to get the oreo thing, but I got my pre off ebay :( Aug 20 00:35:50 AnOutsider: i wish it was more like cydia Aug 20 00:36:10 like.. if it had the tabs at the bottom to switch between apps to install, apps installed, updates. Aug 20 00:36:19 right Aug 20 00:36:23 but it's on its way I think Aug 20 00:36:46 not even the official app catalog has it easily outlined which apps need updates yadda yadda Aug 20 00:37:07 bah Aug 20 00:37:12 they update in the "Updates" app Aug 20 00:37:43 the sources thing is cool too Aug 20 00:38:39 mhm Aug 20 00:38:51 the iphone/ipod touch jailbreak community was really on top of their game Aug 20 00:38:57 i see the same thing happening here Aug 20 00:39:40 agreed Aug 20 00:39:49 blasphemy! Aug 20 00:39:52 and this is only a few months in Aug 20 00:40:39 AnOutsider: yeah, its a new platform.. just like the iphone's OS was... this has a lot to be done for it, and this is the community to do it. Aug 20 00:40:52 i also really love what you are doing with the theme app :) Aug 20 00:41:54 all thanks to this group Aug 20 00:42:11 webos-internals has more info in it than the dang "documentation" at dev.palm Aug 20 00:42:14 hmm, looks like my patch is gonna be delayed till tonight Aug 20 00:42:25 i was just informed that i'm going to a live diggnation thing Aug 20 00:42:36 blasphemy Aug 20 00:42:43 thou shalt put no other activities before coding Aug 20 00:43:11 AnOutsider: did you see my /msg ? Aug 20 00:43:19 actually, i can transfer my private key for gitorious to my laptop and do it there Aug 20 00:43:28 because kevin rose makes me nerd rage Aug 20 00:43:42 checking now Aug 20 00:44:03 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/199187-bluff-my-call-app.html - anyone out there that can make that possible? :) Aug 20 00:44:07 AnOutsider: IRC /msg that is Aug 20 00:45:23 yeah im using trillian so it jsut comes up as a new IM, saw it flashing but didnt open ;) Aug 20 00:45:48 dont knwo if anyone here plays xbox, but the lost planet 2 demo just landed Aug 20 00:45:57 been waiting for this almost as much as dead rising 2 Aug 20 00:45:58 *goes to check his 360* Aug 20 00:49:34 i just signed up for the MAG beta for ps3 Aug 20 01:00:09 meh, my ps3 is gathering dust Aug 20 01:00:17 not excited by it yet, plus all my friends are on 360 Aug 20 01:05:23 AnOutsider: sorta feel ya there Aug 20 01:05:32 ps3 has mad potential but im still waiting for GT5 Aug 20 01:05:42 360 is where its atttt :) Aug 20 01:05:42 i've been using is a media server mostly lately Aug 20 01:05:55 using ps3mediaserver Aug 20 01:06:12 mediatomb needs too much setup Aug 20 01:10:50 I am glad I have a Mac. There are media servers for both that are cheap and easy to setup :) Aug 20 01:12:23 heh Aug 20 01:12:36 I have a dedicated media server in my house, so no need for that, but ps3 definitely needs to play catchup Aug 20 01:12:47 I do want to get into uncharted though. never seem to find time to crack it open Aug 20 01:13:21 Yeah, my PS3 and Wii don't get much play time...hell none of my machines down stairs do Aug 20 01:14:17 evening Aug 20 01:14:41 i have my computer, piano, tv, mini-fridge, xbox, and wii in my room Aug 20 01:14:43 im set :) Aug 20 01:16:13 I don't have to be that lazy. I just walk into the kitchen or ask the g/f to get me something Aug 20 01:18:45 Decimation: get cron and the script running on it? Aug 20 01:24:07 http://webos.templarian.com/ There I made the Komodo Add-on a Public pre-release. Happy developing. Aug 20 01:31:48 Templarian: can you update from WITHIN komodo, or do I re-download? Aug 20 01:32:00 so the oskb works with the global search... only there's no way to bring up the global search without hitting they keypad... YET Aug 20 01:32:06 Rick_home: it asks you every so often in komodo. Aug 20 01:32:35 Rick_home: you can also manually check for updates on the Tools > Addon screen. Aug 20 01:33:28 oh good, that worked Aug 20 01:34:11 Templarian: is there some TRICK to getting a breakpoint in an app to actually BREAK. Aug 20 01:34:18 I can start debug. Aug 20 01:34:21 I can type in a break command, Aug 20 01:34:28 but as the app runs, it never BREAKS Aug 20 01:34:51 You have to break on lines with code... other than that no. Aug 20 01:35:07 yeah. uh, that's not a problem Aug 20 01:35:20 lines with code as opposed to function def's etc. Aug 20 01:35:22 right Aug 20 01:35:35 the what the heck am I doing wrong? Aug 20 01:41:37 Templarian: Aug 20 01:41:39 root@qemux86:/# debug Aug 20 01:41:41 v8 bootstrapper - no additional builtins directory specified Aug 20 01:41:42 Unable to connect to debug agent 111 Aug 20 01:42:03 Do you have a device connected? Aug 20 01:42:42 yes but that's on putty into the emulator Aug 20 01:42:54 wait Aug 20 01:43:00 no, my palm is sitting here on the desk Aug 20 01:43:02 not plugged in Aug 20 01:44:20 :P Aug 20 01:44:32 can I not do this on the emulator? Aug 20 01:44:34 ok fine Aug 20 01:45:13 "novacom -l" make sure it's listed. Aug 20 01:45:39 (that's the same command that komodo uses to detect devices) Aug 20 01:46:06 anyone know intimate details about the blank home screen set up? Aug 20 01:46:36 and/or the gesture area events and when they get changed into key events? Aug 20 01:47:21 emulator is listed twice Aug 20 01:48:40 awesome. Might want to fix that. Aug 20 01:50:44 what do you need to know to write custom services? Aug 20 01:51:51 seems like to make any really useful apps you need to write custom services Aug 20 01:53:19 Hyperian: you just have to know "What is the answer to life the universe and everything?" Aug 20 01:53:31 42 Aug 20 01:53:31 (feel free to use google) Aug 20 01:53:48 But it's always funnier to type it into google. Aug 20 01:53:55 alright Aug 20 01:54:08 Isn't there a write up on this on webos-internals i thought. Aug 20 01:54:17 is there? Aug 20 01:55:11 I don't see one... everyone must be to busy writing their services. Aug 20 01:55:19 har har har Aug 20 01:55:27 well apparently tons of people already know Aug 20 01:55:29 how Aug 20 01:55:43 I don't know how at all either lol. Aug 20 01:56:23 seems like lots of people that doesnt go here figured it out themselves :( Aug 20 01:57:16 I don't think it's that complicated, if someone tells you create a wiki page to help others. Aug 20 01:58:45 How would everyone feel about bringing the kb up for global search via the top bar next to clock from the home screen? Aug 20 01:59:24 if you are suggesting it should be bottom up Aug 20 01:59:30 then it wouldnt be opposite from everything else Aug 20 01:59:39 when things you're searching for pops up Aug 20 01:59:48 it would be closer eye-wise but it would look funny Aug 20 02:00:15 egaudet: that's a good idea!!!! Aug 20 02:00:45 ... Aug 20 02:00:57 So you're saying tap where the top left bar doesn't work while at home screen (or minimised windows) ? Aug 20 02:01:03 Hyperian, are you responding to me? Aug 20 02:01:07 i dont know Aug 20 02:01:09 lol Aug 20 02:01:24 i just thought what you said was having the search text be at the bottom Aug 20 02:01:26 :| Aug 20 02:01:29 I was thinking about adding a little keyboard icon next to the clock to bring the keyboard up Aug 20 02:01:43 what do you mean bring the keyboard up? Aug 20 02:01:49 the virtual kb Aug 20 02:01:52 oh Aug 20 02:02:06 wouldnt the virtual kb be on the long side of the phone? Aug 20 02:02:23 oh, well I like that idea as long as it doesn't conflict with tapping the wireless icon/power meter etc. I would just prefer that be default then altogether for bringing the keyboard up Aug 20 02:03:03 we can add stuff to webos itself? Aug 20 02:03:05 it seems like multiple ways of bringing the keyboard up but "one way only comes up if cursor is up" and the other "works only for home screen" woudl seem kinda counter-intuitive Aug 20 02:03:11 psykoz, if I implement this it would be an "additional" method, since that bar is non-existent in full screen mode Aug 20 02:03:35 ahh that's right full screen mode, forget about that one sometimes because I never use it.. Aug 20 02:04:18 Hyperian: where have you been the last 6 weeks or so? Yes. We can add stuff to webos itself. :-) Aug 20 02:06:14 oh :| Aug 20 02:06:20 nice Aug 20 02:06:25 but i havent seen anything Aug 20 02:07:30 Hyperian: you haven't seen any of the patches, or the virtual keyboard? Aug 20 02:08:10 no :( Aug 20 02:08:16 where Aug 20 02:09:09 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Patches_to_webOS Aug 20 02:09:09 oh Aug 20 02:09:10 i think Aug 20 02:09:11 i found Aug 20 02:09:12 yea Aug 20 02:09:14 Ignore This Icon wtf is that Aug 20 02:09:14 when you said patches Aug 20 02:09:37 atlanta: a demo of the mojo side of the secure informed user consent service Aug 20 02:09:48 oh ok gotcha Aug 20 02:09:58 it will be hooked up to the service side before 1.0.0 Aug 20 02:10:10 ok gothca Aug 20 02:10:16 so not needed rigth Aug 20 02:10:29 i just didnt want to delete it if needed Aug 20 02:10:37 we've put it out there to get feedback on how it looks Aug 20 02:11:00 in the next version, the icon will be hidden Aug 20 02:13:27 noone made video recording yet? Aug 20 02:13:37 my friend keeps asking about that Aug 20 02:14:42 rwhitby: i dont see virtual keyboard in that list Aug 20 02:14:47 i was gonna make a audio recorder didnt get around to it yet Aug 20 02:15:00 rwhitby: thanks for the response rwhitby Aug 20 02:15:06 i like it Aug 20 02:15:48 * atlanta loves the pre without the touch indicator on Aug 20 02:16:18 Hyperian, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/On_Screen_Keyboard (image is outdated) Aug 20 02:16:23 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/198051-screen-keyboard-bugs-functionality-enhancements.html Aug 20 02:17:01 egaudet: have u installed it yet i didnt like it for some reason Aug 20 02:17:28 graphics need some work :) Aug 20 02:17:43 I have installed/uninstalled it probably about 1000 times Aug 20 02:17:51 Hyperian, the image on the first link is outdated Aug 20 02:18:05 http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6038/browser20091808202658.png Aug 20 02:18:31 atlanta, what did you not like about it? Aug 20 02:18:56 awww let me test out the new one Aug 20 02:19:02 looks improved Aug 20 02:19:04 i had the older one Aug 20 02:19:41 atlanta, ahhh yes it has been updating frequently, let me know anything you come accross so I can continue to improve it Aug 20 02:19:54 egaudet: ok no problemo my friend Aug 20 02:19:58 guess you are emoney Aug 20 02:19:59 ? Aug 20 02:20:05 yes Aug 20 02:20:20 No patch removed ERROR: Could not pop patch Aug 20 02:20:46 did you do a git pull? Aug 20 02:20:51 yup yup Aug 20 02:20:56 says already up to date Aug 20 02:21:10 root@castle:/opt/src/modifications# git pull Already up-to-date. Aug 20 02:21:50 cd / && quilt series ? Aug 20 02:21:53 wierd Aug 20 02:22:05 on screen keyboard is not in the folder Aug 20 02:22:09 only install_theme Aug 20 02:22:25 root@castle:/# quilt series /opt/src/patches/add-onscreen-keyboard.patch Aug 20 02:24:31 any idea Aug 20 02:25:17 quilt pop -a says what? Aug 20 02:27:14 quilt pop -a -f Aug 20 02:27:26 it said no patches to remove but i just forced it to override the old one Aug 20 02:27:33 ok Aug 20 02:32:24 hey egaudet maybe a way to turn off the vibrate because i noticed it makes typing time slower Aug 20 02:32:44 like you it jerks for a second then the letter gets bigger because its waiting on the vibrate Aug 20 02:35:38 yep I am lowering that as well as implement user configuration options in the future Aug 20 02:36:34 ok cool Aug 20 02:36:35 sounds good Aug 20 02:36:50 its good to go Aug 20 02:37:08 is it hard to make it smart Aug 20 02:37:13 use the autocorrect Aug 20 02:37:13 ? Aug 20 02:38:08 looking into that as well, hopefully will be able to find a way to hook it into the auto-correct Aug 20 02:38:14 * atlanta going in to remove the vibrate feature Aug 20 02:38:22 egaudet: sounds good Aug 20 02:38:31 ill let you know if i find anything else Aug 20 02:38:49 and it works great with out the touch circle indicator thing also Aug 20 02:39:24 rwhitby: is there any docs on making a service or new way to use sh scripts in a app Aug 20 02:40:13 want to make a app to turn off the reticle Aug 20 02:40:30 atlanta: no docs, since we want to get all the infrastructure in place and proved reasonable secure before documenting it, but there are plenty of open source example services now Aug 20 02:40:51 yea i seen that i was looking through the java stuff Aug 20 02:40:59 just didnt know how to create them etc Aug 20 02:41:47 atlanta: the code that the preware site uses to create the ipkgs out of the java is in http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree Aug 20 02:42:49 oh ok Aug 20 02:42:55 so i can just mod the Makefiles Aug 20 02:43:06 im not to pro at linux Aug 20 02:43:33 if you busy we can talk about it later Aug 20 02:44:10 atlanta: I'm about to get lunch and then in a long meeting, and then camping on the weekend, but feel free to catch me tonight (my time, say 9 hours from now) Aug 20 02:44:37 have a look through the makefiles and the scripts in toolchain/ipkg-utils Aug 20 02:44:46 ok cool Aug 20 02:44:53 thanks my man Aug 20 02:45:03 i love people that like to teach others Aug 20 02:46:05 atlanta: everything about preware.org is open and in the public - it just isn't very well documented :-) Aug 20 02:46:50 I'm very happy to work with anyone who is willing to write up the packaging standards wiki page for me ;-) Aug 20 02:47:49 cool once im learn it ill be more than happy my friend Aug 20 02:48:40 atlanta: the ipkg-build and ipkg-unbuild scripts are the key to packaging - everything else is just putting the right stuff in the right files, and you can see that from any example ipkg that you unbuild. Aug 20 02:49:25 there's heaps of undocumented conventions and stuff (much to PuffTheMagic's dismay, and mine too) - maybe we can fix that for the homebrew community at least Aug 20 02:49:37 ok cool Aug 20 02:49:56 so far as writing the .jar services where should i look for those files or is that it Aug 20 02:49:56 ? Aug 20 02:50:28 egaudet: you still there Aug 20 02:50:29 ? Aug 20 02:51:25 yea Aug 20 02:51:41 egaudet: works 10x better without the vibrate!! :-) Aug 20 02:51:44 atlanta: look at git.webosinternals.org Aug 20 02:51:51 any of the services/ projects Aug 20 02:51:56 should give you a good idea what to do Aug 20 02:51:57 or Aug 20 02:52:00 download gd-gui Aug 20 02:52:06 and java decompiler Aug 20 02:52:14 atlanta: but be *very* aware of the security implications. talk to people here first about what you're wanting to do. Aug 20 02:52:23 atlanta, much less lag on the key growths? Aug 20 02:52:23 and look at jars. Aug 20 02:52:51 rwhitby: definitely Aug 20 02:53:08 PuffTheMagic: cool so basically i would just have to make the .java do what i want them to do Aug 20 02:53:15 egaudet: yea Aug 20 02:53:25 egaudet: very noticable amount to me Aug 20 02:53:26 atlanta: all the source .java is in that repo for the services that we're developing Aug 20 02:53:36 gotcha Aug 20 02:53:42 rwhitby: ok ill run through there too Aug 20 02:53:47 PuffTheMagic thanks Aug 20 02:54:26 atlanta: and we're happy to put your service in there alongside the others if it's open source. Aug 20 02:54:27 Uggg. purged `com.engineequalscar.games_.mines_0.9.0_all.ipk` and just noticed that it's not in preware anymore.. fk. anyone have this game? Aug 20 02:54:29 rwhitby: cool yea mines just gonna be for editing debug options most likely Aug 20 02:54:40 rwhitby: to make a app where people can turn off the reticle Aug 20 02:54:42 atlanta, good to know, I didn't have a chance to give options with it so i threw it in there to make some requests heard and get a feel for it Aug 20 02:55:01 egaudet: gotcha understandable Aug 20 02:55:18 czarphanguye: did you check the feed archive? Aug 20 02:56:44 czarphanguye: looks like PreCentral has removed it from their feed. Aug 20 02:56:51 yeah ;-( Aug 20 02:56:56 maybe it's on the way to the Palm App Catalog Aug 20 02:58:30 egaudet: also another enhancement you can add to the to-do would Aug 20 02:58:49 change the class on the shift button when clicks Aug 20 02:58:52 clicked** **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:56 2009